[00:00:02] <reflect__> ichigo: in austria?
[00:00:07] <ichigo> id love 16 degrees. thinking of it is chilling ;)
[00:00:13] <ichigo> reflect__: yes
[00:00:55] <reflect__> for the past 5 weeks, it's been cloudy, rainy and generally cold here
[00:00:58] <coffman> i could not get out the bed until noon cause of the weather
[00:01:04] <reflect__> I'm in the nordic region
[00:01:11] <coffman> the air was full of static
[00:02:14] <coffman> in the times before a thunderstorm my asthma comes back :(
[00:02:36] <bda> Just to confirm: A zfs snapshot is going to do a filesystem sync before snapping, yea?
[00:02:47] <bda> As opposed to only snapping what's actually committed to disk?
[00:03:38] <CIA-26> jdunham: 6551952 - iSCSI Target does not scale
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[00:07:04] <coffman> bda: dont think so
[00:07:15] <bda> coffman: hm.
[00:07:35] <coffman> zfs is copy on write
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[00:08:18] <Pietro_S> when sources tell about missing symbol cause by missing -l option for compiler, can I see what libraries have this symbol, because probably I'm linked with bad library (which compile but gives bugs) ?
[00:11:03] <alanc> you know, it's really not fair for install QA to file package dependency bugs against my packages that they found with the script I wrote and gave to them...
[00:11:09] <stevel> cd to /usr/lib and do a 'nm -A * | grep symbol' ?
[00:11:29] <nrubsig> stevel: fgrep, please
[00:11:54] <stevel> depends whether you want to use a pattern or not
[00:12:01] <stevel> you may want to anchor it or something
[00:12:28] * nrubsig watches stevel throwing the nickpicking handgrenade back to him...
[00:12:38] <stevel> you started it :)
[00:12:42] <nrubsig> yeah
[00:12:52] <nrubsig> I am guilty
[00:12:56] <nrubsig> Shoot me.
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[00:14:26] <alanc> wow, didn't know stevel could hit a target 10,000 miles away
[00:14:34] * nrubsig comes back from the dead to get his revenge on stevel and all his offspring...
[00:14:37] <coffman> bda: look at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfs_last.pdf explains it better then i would ever can
[00:15:24] <nrubsig> Who owns the proctools stuff ?
[00:15:31] <bda> coffman: Cheers.
[00:15:36] <Pietro_S> thanks for good directions
[00:15:49] <alanc> nrubsig: The OpenSolaris Community
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[00:17:26] * nrubsig throws a towel soaked with acid after alanc
[00:17:45] <nrubsig> alanc: Who wrote these tools ? Who maintains them ? Who cares about them ?
[00:18:06] <alanc> you'ld prefer the technical/legal answer of "The copyright is owned by Sun Microsystems, Inc."
[00:18:07] <alanc> ?
[00:18:42] <alanc> wrote I think was mostly raf, no idea if anyone specific maintains them, most of the developer community cares about them
[00:18:45] <nrubsig> ugh
[00:19:21] <nrubsig> alanc: No, I want a person... a name which I can contact and torture to get some answers for some questions.
[00:19:44] <alanc> then I'd say "raf"
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[00:20:21] <alanc> he certainly seems to have the most entries in their SCCS history
[00:20:38] <nrubsig> raf is Ralf Faulkler ? Or Robert ?
[00:21:18] <alanc> Roger Faulkner
[00:21:44] <alanc> I know you've e-mailed him plenty before
[00:23:25] <nrubsig> alanc: yes... but my memory which stores "names" is more like the mercury-wave based memories from the IT baby age...
[00:23:53] <nrubsig> e.g. slow, unpredictable, no ECC and each earthquake adds new letters
[00:24:13] <reflect__> lasseoe: ping.
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[00:39:15] <Pietro_S> I'm really coonfused, if I compile against /usr/lib/libintl.so.1, output binary wants libintl.so.3 (output from ldd)
[00:39:15] <nrubsig> !summon raf
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[00:39:55] <nrubsig> !summon --fetch_bot=alanc raf
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[00:42:15] <oxygene> Pietro_S: libintl.so.3 might be gnu gettext - having that in the search path has some "interesting" issues
[00:44:18] <Pietro_S> the problem is that I don't have such library on disk :-(, to run it I need to append it from SFEgettext temporary build dir :-(
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[00:48:22] <alanc> nrubsig: ETOOFAR: Can't get to raf from here
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[00:50:21] <runelind> newb question: I attached two extra disks to my opensolaris install.  How do I find out what they're called?
[00:51:06] <nrubsig> alanc: EBREAKNECKANDDRAGCORPSEHERE
[00:51:37] <coffman> runelind: format
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[00:52:00] <runelind> coffman: excellent, thanks
[00:52:01] <alanc> killing someone and dragging their corpse across state lines would get the FBI chasing me, and I'd rather not have to deal with them too
[00:52:21] * alanc is several states away from raf
[00:52:28] <coffman> runelind: you might aswell run devfsadm -v if the disks dont show up
[00:52:36] <wesolows> Also, killing raf seems uncalled for
[00:52:48] <wesolows> You can thank him for working threads, for example.
[00:52:59] <runelind> they did, thanks
[00:53:08] <runelind> I am running it in a VM to play with zfs
[00:53:43] <nrubsig> alanc: Only you and I know what you did to raf's neck... no witnesses, no problems.
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[00:55:14] <Pietro_S> have good night, hopefully you will have lot's of time to sleep not like me ;-)
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[00:57:22] <nrubsig> wesolows: it's like my imaginary feeding of people to our komodo dragons... sounds horrible... until people realise that ours are currently small puppies (~~40-50cm) which are barely a danger for their own life food.
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[00:59:09] <coffman> nrubsig: do you feed him living animals?
[00:59:12] <nrubsig> wesolows: few years ago (another set of young puppies) we tried to feed live rats the first time. Worked very well (erm... for the komodo dragon puppies, not so "well" for the rats) except for one puppy... the matching rat turned around, ruffeled-up it's fur and starting to attack the poor komodo dragon puppy
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[00:59:28] <nrubsig> coffman: not "him", "them".
[00:59:46] <wesolows> I'm sure you do; that's normal for reptiles and amphibians
[01:00:26] <nrubsig> coffman: and yes, we have to. They can't be fed on non-living food after a certain age.
[01:01:05] <coffman> nrubsig: a classmate of mine has big komodo over 1m or so and he feeds him vegan
[01:01:21] <nrubsig> erm
[01:01:28] <wesolows> coffman: I assume you meant "he feeds him vegans"
[01:01:32] <nrubsig> coffman: he has a komodo dragon ? seriously ?
[01:01:36] <coffman> yes, that was i thought
[01:01:40] <coffman> nrubsig: yes
[01:01:44] <nrubsig> coffman: where did he get the license from ?
[01:02:06] <coffman> dunno
[01:02:13] * nrubsig grumbles
[01:02:32] <nrubsig> coffman: is he s zookeeper or something like that ?
[01:03:09] * nrubsig only knows four people within germany who keep komodo dragons and all are registered in the european breeding program...
[01:03:34] <nrubsig> s/people/individual, non-zoo-related people/
[01:03:36] <CIA-26> baban: 6569573 idmapd could log better messages when AD LDAP bind fails, 6579507 idmapd should generate and set a machine_sid when it's missing, 6579919 Need Creator Authority domain string in idmap.h
[01:03:47] <coffman> nrubsig: i think it belongs to his uncle
[01:04:07] <nrubsig> coffman: do you know the name of the uncle ?
[01:04:11] <coffman> nope
[01:04:18] <coffman> will find that out
[01:04:19] * nrubsig grumbles...
[01:04:29] <nrubsig> coffman: what's your email, please ?
[01:04:33] <coffman> i found that kind of strange
[01:04:48] <nrubsig> why ?
[01:04:57] <coffman> nrubsig: jonas.lerch at gmail dot com
[01:05:05] <coffman> nrubsig: him not feeding animals
[01:05:07] <nrubsig> coffman: thanks
[01:05:19] <nrubsig> coffman: it's possible, at least in theiry
[01:05:23] <nrubsig> er
[01:05:28] <nrubsig> theory
[01:05:45] <nrubsig> but may be this is not a komodo dragon and just another lizard
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[01:05:54] <coffman> the feed him protein stuff
[01:06:06] <nrubsig> s/another lizard/different kind of lizard/
[01:06:11] <nrubsig> uhm
[01:06:13] <nrubsig> weired
[01:06:45] <coffman> hm, was a realy big animal, he showed us pics and it look like one
[01:07:11] <nrubsig> I know that some people feed them whole ananas fruits to drag around and bite into pieces... but that's more a toy and not food for them
[01:07:43] <coffman> he said it could hit trough wood sticks with his tail
[01:08:09] <nrubsig> mhhhh...
[01:08:34] <nrubsig> Does it live inside the house ?
[01:09:06] <nrubsig> (note: komodo dragons smell as if they are dead since weeks)
[01:09:17] <nrubsig> (at least the full-grown ones)
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[01:09:29] <coffman> they got a cave for it, big one and a garden
[01:10:03] <nrubsig> please define "cave" - do you mean a hole in the garden or something like a dog house ?
[01:10:18] <nrubsig> coffman: e.g. wie ein dachsbau ?
[01:11:51] <coffman> dog house style but much bigger
[01:12:18] * nrubsig scratches his head
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[01:13:32] <coffman> nrubsig: will find out more in about 3-4 weeks when the school starts
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[01:15:32] <coffman> maybe im wrong...
[01:16:52] <nrubsig> coffman: well, some pieces fit (like using the tail to kick people off their feet (and then attacking them from the side)) and others don't.
[01:17:14] <zooko> movement: poking at feature_tests.h, it appears that it is the _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED #define that makes features_tests.h think that Python is not XPG6.
[01:17:34] <zooko> I plan to tweak Python's configure system to not define _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED if the target platform is solaris.
[01:17:41] <zooko> Or some sufficiently modern solaris, or something.
[01:17:49] <zooko> Right now, I need to start grilling some food on the back porch...
[01:19:05] <coffman> nrubsig: some sort of leguan is more likely
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[01:28:00] <CSFrost> lot of chatter today!
[01:28:14] <CSFrost> everyone's getting debian-ized I guess!
[01:28:42] <movement> zooko: right, I disable all of those since they don't mean what the python guys think they mean.
[01:28:44] <wesolows> yes, our beloved leader Ian Murdock Debianed my brain last night.
[01:28:53] <wesolows> It was good for me.  I'm happy now.
[01:29:13] <wesolows> Those lobes were just getting in the way of my undying love for Indiana.
[01:29:22] <coffman> CSFrost: what do you mean?
[01:30:45] <CSFrost> I don't remember.. I can only think of happy, colorful things.. for some reason..
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[01:31:45] <CSFrost> I ordered some t-shirts, they say "Get Ready or Get Debian-ized!"
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[01:37:39] <coffman> CSFrost: i know that stuff that you took..
[01:39:30] <CSFrost> There was only a red pill, or a slightly lighter red pill!
[01:39:36] <CSFrost> it was a tough decision
[01:40:10] <coffman> you took the heavy!
[01:41:12] <e^ipi> CSFrost: maybe you're colour blind ?
[01:41:54] <FrostCS> looky that, I think the linux box fried again lol
[01:42:06] <FrostCS> could be though e^ipi, but it was a tough decision
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[01:55:21] <coffman> one image away of turning my u10 into a home server
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[01:56:56] <coffman> ill hope i can get some decent speed via usb ide disks
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[02:20:51] <palowoda> Anybody know when Firefox 2.0.5 gets into a build?
[02:23:03] <zooko> movement: can you explain to me in one sentence what _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED means?
[02:24:18] <coffman> palowoda: its out in contribute on mozilla.com
[02:24:57] <palowoda> Well yeah I know that but for lazy opensolaris users what timeframe?
[02:25:38] <palowoda> By the way you should be able to get about 28Mbytes a sec write on your usb drive.
[02:25:47] <palowoda> USB 2.0 that is.
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[02:28:02] <coffman> i think 68 and 69 is feature freeze since 69 will be the next sxde
[02:28:29] <movement> zooko: in combination with _XOPEN_SOURCE (less than 500), it means SuSv1
[02:28:42] <movement> aka XPG 4.2
[02:28:50] <movement> as per standards(5):
[02:28:59] <movement>      SUS (XPG4v2)    The application  must  define  _XOPEN_SOURCE
[02:29:00] <movement>                      and    set    _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED=1.   If _XOPEN_SOURCE is defined with a  value,  the value must be less than 500.
[02:29:38] <zooko> Um...  it is a way for the application to inform the os/compiler/platform that the application is prepared to deal with a platform that is XPG 4.2-compliant?
[02:29:56] <movement> no, it's a way to ask for an XPG 4.2 environment.
[02:30:12] <zooko> Ok.
[02:30:17] <movement> in particular if you don't define __EXTENSIONS__ then you /only/ get XPG 4.2
[02:30:29] <zooko> Hm.
[02:30:32] <movement> (Python will always want to define __EXTENSIONS__, but only that, I think)
[02:31:25] <zooko> You think that for Python on Solaris 10, it should define __EXTENSIONS__ and *not* define _XOPEN_SOURCE=600 and _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED=1 and POSIX_C_WHATSIT=2001whatsit?
[02:33:28] <movement> that's exactly what we ship.
[02:33:58] <zooko> I saw that, but it came with a comment saying something like "workaround"...
[02:34:08] <zooko> So I wanted to know more about the meaning of these flags.
[02:34:35] <zooko> What effect would that have for compiling Python on older Solarises?
[02:34:39] <movement> it's a workaround because we hack the changes in with perl, not because it's a wrong change
[02:34:43] <movement> should have none
[02:34:51] <movement> (well, except helping)
[02:35:14] <zooko> I see.
[02:35:17] <movement> defining __EXTENSIONS__ means you would get any 'new' symbols in SUS etc.
[02:35:30] <movement> it's all explained at length in the manpage :)
[02:35:38] <zooko> Thanks.
[02:36:09] <movement> bedtime now... later.
[02:36:25] <zooko> Bye!
[02:37:04] <CSFrost> coffman, so sun decided to stop every 5 updates and have people work on sxde's now?
[02:38:07] <coffman> CSFrost: since im not at sun.. but yes it seems so
[02:38:39] <palowoda> sxde is one of those distro's nobody cares about.
[02:39:07] <CSFrost> evidently they are going to care about them whether they like it or not
[02:39:49] <palowoda> yeah right.
[02:40:23] <palowoda> It's all beer remember.
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[02:42:13] <coffman> palowoda: i dont think so, quite some people invest time in this and influence the buyings at there companies
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[02:44:27] <palowoda> You get what you pay for.
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[02:58:28] <CSFrost> this diet is really going well.. I am really starting to take shape
[02:58:47] <CSFrost> I like to call it the Buddah diet, cause that's the shape I am taking on
[02:59:34] <wesolows> that's not so good; he's dead
[02:59:59] <CSFrost> but never forgotten!
[03:00:15] <e^ipi> what a way to go, too
[03:00:19] <e^ipi> eating some sketchy pork
[03:00:26] <palowoda> Eat more fish.
[03:00:30] <CIA-26> achartre: 6531557 format(1m) does not work with virtual disks, 6573657 vds type-conversion bug prevents raw disk accesses from working, 6578918 disk image should have a device id
[03:00:31] <CIA-26> okie: 6573461 nwamd start-up timing problem with bge, 6580526 nwam invocations of zenity confused by shell metacharacters in ESSID
[03:00:46] <CSFrost> fish here just isn't the same
[03:00:47] <wesolows> yes, fish is good for you; it contains lots of nutrients like mercury and cadmium
[03:00:58] <CSFrost> you tend to get spoiled from hawaii and japan
[03:01:18] <CSFrost> packed on 6kg since I left work :-)
[03:01:19] <palowoda> I get mine fresh right from the coast.
[03:01:20] <wesolows> true, the fish is best in Japan.  But you can get very good stuff in San Francisco too.
[03:01:45] <CSFrost> well, you know I am not in San Francisco :-)
[03:02:08] <palowoda> Just pulled in 30lbs north of Bodega Bay.
[03:02:37] <CSFrost> my most recent purchase of lounge equipment has a 700lb limit, so I can approach Buddahness
[03:03:40] <CSFrost> palowoda? you gained 30lbs, or was that just the fish?
[03:04:17] <palowoda> CSFRost:  I aquired 30lbs of Rock fish by surf fishing on the coast.
[03:05:01] <CSFrost> ahh
[03:05:12] <palowoda> Lost a couple of pounds getting there too.
[03:05:22] <CSFrost> pounds of fish, or weight?
[03:05:46] <wesolows> man, I can never lose weight fishing.  All the beer...
[03:05:51] <palowoda> weight.  It's a pain hiking out to some of these places.
[03:06:00] <CSFrost> I am currently eating lasagna straight from the pan...
[03:06:15] <CSFrost> this way the dog licks the dish, and we both end up fat and happy
[03:06:31] <CSFrost> I haven't been fishing in 12 years..
[03:06:32] <wesolows> and less to wash
[03:06:44] <CSFrost> yea, that's the main thing
[03:07:44] <CSFrost> the pizza guys already are on a first name basis with me, and I just started stopping in there within the past 2 weeks
[03:08:00] <CSFrost> I am getting to know the butcher too...
[03:08:09] <CSFrost> being jobless you seem to eat a lot.
[03:08:20] <palowoda> Too much sugar in pizza these days.
[03:08:41] <CSFrost> well, it's no dishes..
[03:08:58] <CSFrost> been grilling a lot more lately too
[03:09:07] <CSFrost> hotdogs are no dish food also
[03:09:19] <palowoda> Grilling is the best.  Oh no hotdogs.
[03:09:31] <CSFrost> pick up a 50 pack of dogs.. and it's good for 2 sittings
[03:10:06] <CSFrost> and to think.. I used to be a big thai, and japanese food fan...
[03:10:14] <CSFrost> no wonder americans get so big :-P
[03:11:18] <CSFrost> back in a bit, gonna get some icecream
[03:11:47] <palowoda> I grill a slab of Filet Migon and drizzle it with reduced cabernet wine sause.
[03:12:13] <palowoda> Somked with plumb wood.
[03:12:20] <palowoda> Err somked.
[03:12:21] <sbahra> Strange
[03:12:24] <palowoda> damn
[03:12:29] <palowoda> smoked
[03:14:00] <palowoda> You gain wieght when you go to Italy.
[03:16:17] <palowoda> Anyone try to run micro type benchmarks on opensolaris under vmware?
[03:16:40] <palowoda> Like libmicro.
[03:17:33] <nrubsig> Stupid question: When I put a process into the RT (=realtime) class via "priocntl" all child processes will be in the RT class, too - right ?
[03:18:15] <wesolows> yes, scheduling parameters are inherited
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[03:18:29] <wesolows> though they're actually per-thread
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[03:20:51] <sbahra> Hey guys
[03:20:54] <sbahra> http://www.kerneled.org/
[03:21:11] <sbahra> Isn't it strange that with explicit strong lgrp affinity that the behavior is more chaotic?
[03:21:22] <nrubsig> wesolows: ksh93 is single-threaded... for now.
[03:21:59] <nrubsig> wesolows: and Thanks! :-)
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[03:22:26] <sbahra> However, the general ticks do reflect upon the latency groups. It's just that additional chaos which I don't like.
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[03:27:28] <sbahra> Hrm
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[03:32:30] <sbahra> Linux is generally much less chaotic in this aspect.
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[03:48:57] <e^ipi> that's the first time I've ever heard that descriptor applied to Linux
[03:49:04] <e^ipi> ( "less chaotic" )
[03:49:06] <sbahra> Me too.
[03:58:11] <sbahra> It isn't chaotic.
[03:58:17] <sbahra> I guess I'm retarded.
[03:58:25] <sbahra> Let me do it with processor binding instead. ;-)
[04:03:41] <CIA-26> akolb: 6577453 Java CPU hogs can escape CPU Caps enforcement by sleeping a lot
[04:03:52] <e^ipi> good to know
[04:03:57] <sbahra> heh
[04:04:31] <e^ipi> it'll be fixed soon, but my school still runs solaris9 & I'd wager that the bug's still in there
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[04:07:26] <sbahra> Not really fixable.
[04:07:37] <sbahra> That is, outside of the Java context.
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[04:16:45] <lplatypus> trying to install b68 onto a new Dell D630 laptop... I've pxe booted to the b68 installer, but it bombed out because it doesn't have a driver for the integrated NIC.  How do I get "more" to work, as in "prtconf -v | more"?  it's currently behaving the same as "head -n24"
[04:17:49] <lplatypus> I tried setting TERM=sun and LINES=25 in the shell but that didn't help
[04:18:03] <palowoda> TERM=sun-cmd
[04:18:59] <lplatypus> more still behaves the same way: just prints out the first 24 lines then terminates
[04:19:22] <palowoda> strange, does less do the same?
[04:19:32] <lplatypus> less: not found
[04:20:21] <lplatypus> ah I have "vi", I can redirect prtconf output to a file and use that
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[06:51:03] <EchoBinary> http://www.zod2008.com/
[07:04:53] <EchoBinary> where is the config file for samba?  and anyone know why my NIC always starts up deactivated? :-D
[07:05:29] <coffman> EchoBinary: /etc/sfw/smb.conf-example
[07:05:52] <coffman> EchoBinary: and how did confed your network?
[07:06:42] <Teknomancer> maybe /etc/
[07:06:45] <Teknomancer> ah already answered
[07:06:48] <Teknomancer> hehe
[07:07:06] <EchoBinary> used the gnome networking tool to config the network
[07:07:07] <coffman> yeah, 24/7 helpdesk
[07:07:18] <coffman> EchoBinary: there we go with your problem
[07:07:32] <EchoBinary> figured
[07:07:33] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:07:36] <coffman> EchoBinary: is it a desktop orr lapop?
[07:07:41] <EchoBinary> desktop
[07:07:43] <coffman> *laptop
[07:07:44] <EchoBinary> ..  actually
[07:07:45] <coffman> kay
[07:07:50] <EchoBinary> rackmount serve
[07:07:52] <EchoBinary> server
[07:08:08] <EchoBinary> but desktop stats more or less
[07:08:13] <EchoBinary> cept the drives
[07:08:24] <coffman> then screw that dam gnome tool
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[07:08:35] <coffman> sec, pick up how to do it right
[07:09:01] <EchoBinary> aye, capt'n!
[07:09:12] <EchoBinary> how is that exactly? passing params to ifconfig?
[07:09:13] <Teknomancer> hmm which gnome networking tool ?
[07:09:35] <EchoBinary> Menu >> Administration >> Networking
[07:11:30] <Teknomancer> oh that
[07:12:39] <EchoBinary> yeah
[07:12:45] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:13:28] <EchoBinary> so what is sfw?
[07:13:31] <EchoBinary> ..  software?
[07:13:35] <EchoBinary> ..safe for work?
[07:14:38] <Teknomancer> sfw i think is software
[07:14:54] <Teknomancer> dunno i think Sun likes to discourage use of gcc and use its own compiler
[07:15:03] <Teknomancer> so maybe they put all the 'discouraged' stuff in sfw?
[07:15:11] <Teknomancer> not sure, ...
[07:15:32] <coffman> sfw is the the freeware/opensource stuff that sun supports
[07:16:19] <EchoBinary> ahh
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[07:18:35] <rbrown_> wanna know how bored I am
[07:19:24] <EchoBinary> how bored are you?
[07:21:26] <Teknomancer> so bored he doesn't wanna answer? :P :P
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[07:21:56] <Tempt> bored.
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[07:23:05] <rbrown_> http://rafb.net/p/OH207Y13.html
[07:23:13] <rbrown_> that's how bored I am
[07:23:24] <rbrown_> I think that takes the cake of total bordem
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[07:25:31] <Teknomancer> lol i accidentally changed the New Window shortcut in Nautilus to i key ... pfft
[07:26:00] <coffman> EchoBinary: check this out http://rafb.net/p/ZTSGL661.html
[07:26:11] <coffman> EchoBinary: wrote it fast together
[07:26:38] <EchoBinary> you just made that?
[07:26:45] <EchoBinary> you rock
[07:26:50] <coffman> EchoBinary: sure
[07:26:53] <coffman> np
[07:27:15] <coffman> i will start my wiki today i think
[07:28:34] <coffman> oh
[07:28:39] <coffman> one miss
[07:29:51] <coffman> EchoBinary: create /etc/resolve.conf put in "domain $bar.com" next line "nameserver $your_nameserver_ip
[07:30:36] <EchoBinary> cool :)
[07:30:38] <EchoBinary> thanks!
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[07:40:39] <rbrown_> EchoBinary http://rafb.net/p/1Rpkj388.html
[07:41:39] <nnode> [newbiew] confused with lwp, and kernel thread. why lwp is mapped with kernel thread as one-to-one basis? could some one guide me?
[07:42:49] <Teknomancer> do u guys have /usr/src/uts/common folder ?
[07:43:28] <rbrown_> nnode, Solaris is M:N
[07:44:08] <nnode> rbrown_ M:N  means?
[07:44:21] <nnode> sorry i am a newbiews, learning stuffus.
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[07:45:27] <rbrown_> many to n number of worker threads
[07:45:40] <rbrown_> or lwps what ever
[07:46:02] <coffman> rbrown_: poser :P
[07:46:07] <EchoBinary> LOL
[07:46:55] <moazamraja> nnode: http://www.sun.com/software/whitepapers/solaris9/multithread.pdf
[07:47:07] <moazamraja> ask not what you can do for Google, ask what Google can do for you. oy vey.
[07:47:29] <moazamraja> ever since I got back from New York, I've been talking with a heavily New York Jewish accent
[07:47:32] <rbrown_> coffman, ?
[07:47:34] <moazamraja> it's great I tell ya
[07:48:44] <nnode> moazamraja: thanks for the link.. will go through and come back with questions ;)
[07:50:01] <coffman> rbrown_: none, you just showed off your skill :P
[07:50:24] <moazamraja> suffice to say, LWPs are your friends
[07:51:33] <rbrown_> coffman, I'm skill-less :(
[07:51:37] <Teknomancer> can i use the Solaris 8 sample drivers for solaris 10 ?? i can't seem to find sample code for solaris 10 ...
[07:51:43] <Teknomancer> has the basic stuff changed ?
[07:51:51] <rbrown_> Teknomancer, yes and no
[07:51:54] <coffman> rbrown_: dont be sad
[07:52:17] <Teknomancer> ok :) so solaris 8's still applicable
[07:52:18] <Teknomancer> thx
[07:53:08] <rbrown_> I work with too many smart people at work they all remind me how much I suck :(
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[07:54:17] <moazamraja> this is exactly why i only work with stupid bastards
[07:54:22] <moazamraja> i'm talkin Duhhhh
[07:54:31] <Teknomancer> where do u work, with Sun ?
[07:54:32] <moazamraja> makes me feel great about myself, and my googling skillz
[07:54:37] <Teknomancer> i meant to ask rbrown_
[07:54:37] <moazamraja> i work at a factory
[07:54:39] <moazamraja> oh
[07:54:40] <moazamraja> ok
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[07:54:56] <Teknomancer> sry
[07:55:07] <moazamraja> you're sorry that I work at a factory?
[07:55:08] <moazamraja> it's not that bad
[07:55:21] <moazamraja> i mean, yeah, it's pretty sucky, but i has it's good days
[07:55:25] <Teknomancer> no i meant sorry i didn't clearly tell who i was addressing the question to
[07:55:32] <moazamraja> oh
[07:55:33] <moazamraja> ok
[07:55:34] <moazamraja> :)
[07:56:03] <Teknomancer> any job is good, sometimes i envy jobs where i constantly don't have to deal with version conflicts to the extent of 0.0.01
[07:56:20] <rbrown_> Teknomancer, I work for a bank
[07:56:24] <rbrown_> Lehman Brothers
[07:56:31] <Teknomancer> rbrown_:  hmm... and they know SunOS ?
[07:56:37] <moazamraja> lehman brothers is a bank?
[07:57:00] <rbrown_> yes they're an Invesment Bank, Commerical Bank and brokerage power house :)
[07:57:00] <moazamraja> i thought they made fancy suits and whatnot
[07:57:19] <rbrown_> Teknomancer, yes we hire some of the best engineers in the world :)
[07:57:31] <Teknomancer> rbrown_:  to do what? software for the bank?
[07:57:48] <moazamraja> Teknomancer: someone has to count the money, right?
[07:57:55] <rbrown_> Teknomancer, yeah to develop low latency trading software
[07:57:55] <Teknomancer> well most companies they calim 'they have the best in the world' :P
[07:57:55] <moazamraja> one must have good counting skills
[07:58:00] <Teknomancer> rbrown_:  ah
[07:58:05] <moazamraja> my factory never claims that
[07:58:23] <rbrown_> We develop man cool proprietary softwares :)
[07:58:40] <Teknomancer> my previous job also was propreitory software :P
[07:59:16] <rbrown_> we have SST which is our in house transport protocol
[07:59:31] <rbrown_> our fork of the fixprotocol
[07:59:34] <rbrown_> and tons of misc crap
[07:59:47] <rbrown_> we hire more techies than bankers
[08:00:02] <coffman> is it port A or port B at the ultra 10 with the terminal?
[08:00:03] <moazamraja> cuz technies dont keep bankers hours.
[08:00:50] <Teknomancer> ok i got a .tar.zip file which has pkginfo and pkgmap in it .. so i suppose i need to install them using some pkg- command in solaris.. i've got the .tar file, any help?
[08:01:04] <moazamraja> coffman: A
[08:01:21] <moazamraja> coffman: do you want to know the historical and technical reasons for it being A?
[08:01:26] <moazamraja> because, I can tell you.
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[08:02:26] <coffman> how would i setup tip if i connect via rs232-cat5-rs485 ?
[08:02:39] <moazamraja> shouldnt make a diff
[08:02:56] <moazamraja> 9600-8N1
[08:03:02] <moazamraja> long as it goes thru null modem
[08:03:11] <moazamraja> anyways, I'll say why it's A and not B
[08:03:24] <moazamraja> since I think it'll be education for many people and what have you
[08:03:32] <moazamraja> it's A because B comes after A. A is first.
[08:03:39] <moazamraja> yes.
[08:03:54] <coffman> yeah, im aware of that
[08:04:00] <moazamraja> yes
[08:04:03] <moazamraja> cuz i just said it
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[08:04:45] <coffman> no, i knew it that it was like this on a e420r, but i also knew that there is something strange with the u10
[08:04:50] <moazamraja> Oh
[08:05:02] <moazamraja> and here I thought my expounding of knowledge was helping one and all
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[08:09:14] <coffman> moazamraja: whats the break out for tip?
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[08:09:36] <Tempt> #?
[08:09:45] <Tempt> that'll fill you in
[08:09:59] <moazamraja> ooooooh
[08:10:03] <moazamraja> evil evil evil
[08:10:06] <moazamraja> i went to type it
[08:10:08] <moazamraja> and i got cut!
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[08:11:15] <coffman> its on x86
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[08:14:04] <sahafeez> okay, someone here gave me a nice one liner to rip the windows crufff, ie ^M from a text file.
[08:14:09] <sahafeez> now i cannot find it.
[08:14:14] <Tempt> dos2unix
[08:14:53] <sahafeez> hum
[08:14:57] <sahafeez> it was a nice sed line.
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[08:15:11] <sahafeez> but...that will work
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[08:16:28] <WickySolaris> sed s/^M$//g oldfile > newfile
[08:16:29] <WickySolaris> ?
[08:16:48] <sahafeez> this guy keeps give me stuff to compile for him that he edits in fucking visual studio
[08:16:55] <moazamraja> beat him.
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[08:17:58] <sahafeez> yes i should
[08:22:43] <sahafeez> ugh. 7 files!
[08:23:08] <moazamraja> 7 times.
[08:23:09] <rbrown_> god forbid a developer using an IDE to write code
[08:23:13] <rbrown_> the nerve of him
[08:23:24] <moazamraja> not just an IDE
[08:23:27] <moazamraja> but visual studio
[08:23:41] <moazamraja> or as sahafeez put it "effing visual studio"
[08:23:58] <moazamraja> (PG13 rating added due to strong language and mild violence)
[08:24:01] <__mt__> Cunting visual cunting studio.
[08:24:52] <rbrown_> you know visual studio is one of the best ide's created
[08:25:05] <rbrown_> pretty much everything you see today in most ide's came from VS
[08:25:24] <moazamraja> rbrown_: cept it crashes a ton
[08:26:59] <Tempt> You are taking the piss, right?
[08:27:14] <sahafeez> the worst part is i fix this one. had it compiled and they f'd up and had to have me do it again. and i told them last time. do not edit the damn files in vs
[08:29:01] <moazamraja> VS has options to strip the ^Ms
[08:29:03] <sahafeez> well i am $$ by the hour so..
[08:29:07] <moazamraja> and their are programs on windows to do the same
[08:29:10] <moazamraja> ah
[08:29:20] <moazamraja> strip those control chars manually then!
[08:29:23] <sahafeez> i will just bill em for not listening to me the 1st time
[08:29:25] <Tempt> Just get rid of Windows.
[08:29:36] <Tempt> Get rid of all operating systems that are not Solaris.
[08:29:43] <moazamraja> Tempt: now now
[08:29:48] <Tempt> That will make everything better.
[08:30:38] <sahafeez> hum. i like os x
[08:30:45] <moazamraja> yah
[08:30:59] <__mt__> Does anyone know why prstat shows oracle using more ram than i actually have?
[08:31:08] <moazamraja> swap
[08:31:12] <moazamraja> virtualmem, etc.
[08:31:17] <Tempt> naaah
[08:31:22] <moazamraja> ?
[08:31:30] <moazamraja> rsize/vsize?
[08:31:32] <Tempt> The SGA size shows up for each process.
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[08:32:06] <moazamraja> but its shared right?
[08:32:07] <Tempt> So if you have a 2Gb SGA and a coupla hundred Oracle processes, you'll see insane RAM usage.
[08:32:12] <coffman> hmm, the thing is not talking to me
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[08:32:21] <Tempt> Yeah, it's shared, but it looks wrong in prstat
[08:32:24] <coffman> can is reset the obp to default?
[08:32:32] <Tempt> ok.
[08:32:46] <Tempt> can is reset?
[08:32:58] <coffman> can i
[08:33:01] <__mt__> how do i find out sga size?
[08:33:02] <sahafeez> it just pisses me off. the guy is a code. not a bad one at that as far as being a .net guy. wrote games, etc.
[08:33:10] <sahafeez> and i told him last time - do not use VS
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[08:33:23] <sahafeez> but this time he seems to open every damn file
[08:33:39] <Tempt> select sum(value)/1024/1024 from v$sga;
[08:34:18] <__mt__> thnx
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[08:34:40] <coffman> if i only atach a keyboard
[08:34:51] <Tempt> ffs
[08:34:53] 
[08:34:56] <Tempt> What's the hassle?
[08:35:12] <Tempt> Why can't you plug in a keyboard?
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[08:35:50] <coffman> Tempt: i dont have a monitor around and the ultra 10 gives me none on the port a
[08:36:05] <coffman> and i only have a cable rs232 tp rs 485
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[08:37:15] <sahafeez> okay, i am missing it. there is a grep switch to recurse the subdirs right?
[08:37:44] <Tempt> aah
[08:37:52] <Tempt> so you have no serial and no monitor.
[08:38:24] <moazamraja> sahafeez: -d
[08:38:36] <sahafeez> hum. i am blind. i did not see it in the man page
[08:38:49] <sahafeez> nope
[08:38:58] <sahafeez> not on default sol10 install
[08:39:01] <sahafeez> no -d
[08:39:04] <Tempt> no -d.
[08:39:12] <moazamraja> oh
[08:39:16] <moazamraja> i looked on osx
[08:39:31] <sahafeez> fuck, unix would be alot better if the basic cmds all had the same switches
[08:39:38] <Tempt> maybe that's a gnuism.
[08:39:50] <Tempt> grep regex `find ...`
[08:40:03] <Tempt> find ... -exec ...
[08:40:24] <sahafeez> hum what i am doing is grep -l bla *
[08:40:45] <sahafeez> i need the filename
[08:46:49] <sahafeez> why are all the lcd 1680x1050 when 1080p is 1920 x 1080. ah...the world is a strange places
[08:48:02] <moazamraja> cuz u dont have large enough LCD
[08:48:47] <moazamraja> my LCD does 1920x1200
[08:49:21] <moazamraja> and that's my small screen!!
[08:49:27] <moazamraja> yeaaah bwwwwoy
[08:52:20] <moazamraja> ok, i expected some blowback there
[08:52:21] <moazamraja> nothing
[08:52:26] <moazamraja> no fun.
[08:53:56] <Tempt> meh
[08:54:01] <Tempt> already got the 1920x1200 lcd
[08:54:05] <Tempt> Now I want more.
[08:54:21] <Tempt> I was looking at one of those 30" lcds the other day
[08:54:23] <Tempt> mmmm..
[08:55:11] <moazamraja> thats my regular LCD :P
[08:55:16] <Tempt> hmmm
[08:55:19] <moazamraja> but now i want 2 or 3 (like Al Gore)
[08:55:27] <Tempt> Ha.
[08:55:35] <moazamraja> once i saw that photo, i knew my lifes mission
[08:55:48] <Tempt> URL?
[08:56:21] <moazamraja> http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2007/gore_life/20.jpg
[08:56:34] <moazamraja> look at that. THAT is what is needed.
[08:57:52] <moazamraja> that's the only thing holding me back from being a genius with the combined powers of Bill Joy + Stephen Hawkins + Chief Wiggum + Stephen Wolfram
[09:00:24] <Tempt> hmmm
[09:00:26] <EchoBinary> lots of paper?
[09:00:32] <Tempt> time to order new LCDs.
[09:00:40] <Tempt> I already have a paper jungle like that.
[09:00:56] <WickySolaris> good morning!!
[09:01:04] * EchoBinary has a 24" LCD a 19" LCD and a touchscreen tablet
[09:01:11] * EchoBinary still hasnt taken over the world
[09:01:12] <moazamraja> Tempt: do u have crazy high taxes in AU on Apple stuff?
[09:01:19] <Tempt> Er?
[09:01:24] <moazamraja> oh
[09:01:26] <Tempt> Taxes on Apple stuff?
[09:01:32] <moazamraja> you're not in AU
[09:01:37] <Tempt> We have no vendor-specific taxes.
[09:01:40] <moazamraja> i was confusing u with Tpenta
[09:01:45] <moazamraja> oh, you ARE in AU?
[09:01:46] <Tempt> I am in .au
[09:01:47] <WickySolaris> here we have/they wanna make an extra tax on top of mp3 carriers
[09:02:15] <Tempt> Nope. no mp3 tax, no dat tax, no blank cd tax.
[09:02:25] <Tempt> And no Apple tax other than Apple's own tax.
[09:02:40] <Tempt> Apple prices their hardware about 20% higher in Australia compared to the US.
[09:02:49] <WickySolaris> prolly cause everybody should spread the Pougees to their friends, and taxes would prevent that
[09:03:28] <Tempt> I wasn't very impressed with the 30" LCD I saw in the Apple store. The backlight seemed very uneven.
[09:03:53] <WickySolaris> I always get headaches when I go to the apple store
[09:03:56] <WickySolaris> bright light bright light
[09:04:02] <moazamraja> 30" LCD = 1,799.00 USD
[09:04:13] <moazamraja> Tempt: better to fly to US and get it
[09:04:26] <Tempt> 30" LCD in Australia = $AU3799
[09:04:35] <moazamraja> crazy
[09:04:36] <Tempt> (from Apple)
[09:04:48] <Tempt> Apple believes people should pay more to love them.
[09:05:09] <moazamraja> why 20% igher in au tho
[09:05:14] <Tempt> And the Apple fanboy brigade continues to pay up hand over fist, so good luck to them. If I was running Apple, I'd put the prices up even higher.
[09:05:24] <moazamraja> i paid 900 for mine, used
[09:05:58] <Tempt> apple could double their prices and suckers will still keep buying the crap.
[09:06:03] <moazamraja> another 50-60 for the card to drive it, some nvidia 7600 thing
[09:06:11] <moazamraja> wow, bitter much?
[09:06:53] <moazamraja> anyways, past midnight
[09:06:54] <Tempt> Apple can go DIAF.
[09:06:59] <moazamraja> sleep must be attained
[09:07:06] <Tempt> If I want to run MacOS I'll warez it and run it on something else.
[09:07:06] <moazamraja> gotta work the factory floor 2morrow
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[09:19:42] <coffman> got a monitor on it
[09:19:58] <coffman> seems like the ultras serial port is dead
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[09:29:14] <WickySolaris> hmmmmmmm
[09:29:33] <WickySolaris> my IDE harddisk doesnt get detected on a Promise Technology PDC20276 (MBFasttrak133 Lite)
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[09:53:35] <sickness> morning all
[09:53:53] <palowoda> WickySolaris:  Your going down a dirt road if you plan on using Promise controllers with Solaris.
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[10:04:25] <oxygene> promise - because promises are enough to build your storage on...
[10:04:37] <sickness> LOL
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[10:08:00] <palowoda> Sun and Promise have a long way to go in IHV relations before it should be considered a viable solution.
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[10:09:55] <oxygene> Promise has a long way to do in product development before it should be considered a viable solution
[10:10:01] <oxygene> to go, even
[10:11:34] <palowoda> Well that too.  Maybe opensolaris should have a blacklist of controllers that during the install a message says this controller is not supported.
[10:12:17] <oxygene> uhm.. how about just telling if there's a pci device with class "raid" or "disk controller" but no controller is found?
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[10:13:47] <palowoda> No exact messages telling the installer a model of controller is not supported is more effective.
[10:14:19] <palowoda> It means go away and bug marketing.
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[10:16:04] <palowoda> Hmm maybe the bug database should have marketing bugs.  :-)
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[10:26:10] <coffman> how about not use promise?
[10:27:01] <nnode> [newbiew].. Could some one guide me?..  what LWP represents on behalf of a process?
[10:27:28] <nnode> congused :(
[10:28:32] <nnode> in 1:1 thread concept, is the kernel sheduler schedules the kernel thread attached with LWP, or LWP itself?
[10:36:55] <Tempt> mnbvcxvbcvvcvvvvbvvasasasasasasa
[10:37:01] <Tempt> oops
[10:39:34] <palowoda> Must have been one of those simple aliases.
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[10:51:09] <Fish-> hello
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[10:54:25] <Gman> jmcp, there?
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[14:12:47] <sickness> I'm back
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[14:14:15] <cmihai> Hi.
[14:15:40] <cmihai> Anyone messed with TV Tuners under Solaris?
[14:15:48] <jmcp> kindasorta
[14:15:53] <jmcp> at the moment, the situation is dismal
[14:16:14] <jmcp> there are GPL drivers for bt848-based cards, but I think that's it
[14:16:19] <oxygene> cmihai: bt848x.sf.net, I think
[14:16:22] <jmcp> http://bt848x.sourceforge.net/
[14:16:29] <cmihai> jmcp: yeah, that's the one I'm trying.
[14:16:32] <cmihai> :-)
[14:16:44] <jmcp> cmihai: doesn't seem to work well with >1 card in your system
[14:16:49] <cmihai> I was wondering if any of you got Video input to work...
[14:16:54] <jmcp> nope
[14:16:58] <cmihai> jmcp: what do you mean >1 card?
[14:17:00] <cmihai> PCI
[14:17:07] <jmcp> more than one card installed in your system
[14:17:11] <oxygene> and doesn't seem to support dma, video overlay or anything like that
[14:17:17] <jmcp> I was going to delve further into it, but got a contract instead
[14:17:22] <jmcp> yeah, pretty basic
[14:17:23] <cmihai> Anyway, the idea is to get video input so I can play on my PS2 :-)
[14:17:28] <jmcp> we *really* need something better
[14:17:33] <cmihai> Yeah
[14:17:44] <cmihai> Oh well,
[14:17:47] * cmihai dives in
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[14:20:58] <cmihai> 32-bit driver (bt848x) not loadable on 64-bit kernel.
[14:20:58] <cmihai> exit status = 0
[14:21:01] <cmihai> Well, that's a bummer.
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[14:21:21] <tsoome> surprised?
[14:21:41] <cmihai> Not really.
[14:22:45] <jmcp> not too difficult to build a 64bit version
[14:25:01] <jmcp> m/e sleeps
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[14:55:53] <kaiwai> hi
[14:56:07] <kaiwai> is there going to be a build of ON 69?
[14:58:44] <coffman> kaiwai: yes
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[14:58:53] <cmihai> Well, that was a complete waste of time.
[14:59:01] <cmihai> Tried the 32 and 64 bit kernels..
[14:59:04] <kaiwai> coffman: an eta on what it will be made available?
[14:59:06] <cmihai> All the sdlviewer does is core dump :-)
[14:59:11] * cmihai gives up on TV Tuners in Solaris ;-(
[14:59:27] <coffman> kaiwai: i think on friday
[14:59:34] <coffman> but i dunno
[15:00:16] <kaiwai> ah, ok, its strange that they have a B70 up there before B70 has closed :S
[15:00:43] <kaiwai> they must have someone like me in charge of building :P
[15:06:45] <CSFrost> there was a memo about this, they are skipping 69
[15:08:11] <kaiwai> oh :'(
[15:08:16] <kaiwai> that makes me feel emo
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[15:14:13] <cmihai> He, found a bug in Pidgin :-)
[15:14:23] <cmihai> Remember pass_word -> typo ;D
[15:15:24] <CSFrost> really? in mine the _ is under the w
[15:15:46] <cmihai> CSFrost: ah, the magick key
[15:15:51] <cmihai> Yeah, must be some bug
[15:16:00] <cmihai> This is SXCE68, seen it on 2 machines.
[15:16:19] <CSFrost> ah, I compiled mine myself.. probably why
[15:16:50] <CSFrost> sun likes to toss bugs in from time to time, just to make sure people are on their toes. creative..
[15:20:12] <kaiwai> yeap
[15:20:20] <kaiwai> I saw the bug but just ignored it
[15:20:32] <CSFrost> the way to be
[15:20:37] <kaiwai> even if I submitted a bug, GNOME is never rebuilt, so the it would never appear in a SXCE anyway
[15:20:38] <CSFrost> I do that with banking software all the time
[15:20:51] <CSFrost> no sense submitting bugs on a few decimal places
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[15:25:50] <kaiwai> meh
[15:25:57] <kaiwai> it all balances out in the end
[15:27:35] <kaiwai> got Pimpzilla all sorted out
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[15:50:20] <kaiwai> hi gman
[15:52:41] <Gman> hey kaiwai
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[15:53:45] <kaiwai> hows life been treating you?
[15:54:20] <Gman> final day of the gnome conference
[15:54:23] <Gman> flying out tomorrow to the states
[15:54:42] <kaiwai> cool, where abouts are you right now?
[15:55:31] <Gman> birmingham
[15:55:36] <Gman> tomorrow i'll be in portland
[15:55:57] <kaiwai> ah, cool
[15:56:34] <kaiwai> oh well, maybe one day, once I get my C skills up to scratch I'll be more than just a waste of space :)
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[15:56:40] <Gman> heh
[15:56:47] <Gman> other ways to contribute
[15:56:53] <Gman> documentation, marketing, artwork etc..
[15:57:32] <kaiwai> meh, I don't think they would want me in marketing or documentation
[15:57:53] <kaiwai> I'll stick to fixing things that involve straight code
[15:58:05] <kaiwai> bug fixing - I like doing that
[15:59:36] <kaiwai> I tend to be crap at writing new code - I do better fixing things
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[16:13:55] <Doc> wow.. apparently the internet has crashed
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[16:19:25] <CSFrost> What's up Doc?
[16:19:40] <Doc> the internet crashed!  it's on all the new broadcasts apparently
[16:19:49] <Doc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4vDClhnJjs is one
[16:21:11] <bda> http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/21/bush.colonoscopy/
[16:21:14] <bda> "The president wants to encourage everybody to use surveillance," Snow said.
[16:21:17] <bda> w . t . f
[16:21:53] <Doc> which President? The dumb one or the other one?
[16:24:11] <Doc> bda: surveillance colonoscopy
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[16:24:40] <trygvis> http://www.maniacworld.com/the-internet-has-crashed.html
[16:24:54] <bda> Doc: Just the phrasing.
[16:25:03] <bda> The way it ties into the hole Protect the Fatherland crap.
[16:25:21] <bda> Also, Cheney in charge in name and not just in fact. That fills my heart with joy.
[16:28:21] <vmlemon> They really mean that they want to use surveillance on everyone
[16:28:45] <vmlemon> Which in some places they're doing a stellar job of
[16:28:59] <bda> Also, the fact that they're basically talking, in-depth, about the President's asshole.
[16:29:04] <bda> It's just...
[16:29:08] * bda shakes head, goes to read.
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[16:34:23] <CSFrost> Just came on the news that Cheney announce we are at war with New Zealand!
[16:36:07] <sickness> lol
[16:36:44] <sickness> you can't, isn't new zealand allied with UK that's allied with you too? :P
[16:37:00] <Doc> i doubt NZ would notice
[16:37:29] <Doc> (and I was there yesterday, so I'm qualified to make that statement :)
[16:38:32] * JWheeler didn't notice
[16:38:37] <sickness> ihih
[16:38:38] <CSFrost> UK won't mind, atleast it might widdle out their airport problems
[16:38:55] <sickness> I've never been in NZ :/
[16:39:04] <sickness> I'd like to do holidays here someday...
[16:39:18] <Doc> i've been there twice in the past month - you're not missing much
[16:39:21] <tomww> anyone seent his with recent nv69 dvd images? Solaris_11/Tools ./setup_install_server
[16:39:22] <libkeiser> sickness: transitive property doesn't apply to diplomacy ;)
[16:39:24] <tomww> bash: ./setup_install_server: cannot execute binary file
[16:39:29] <Doc> then again, that might be because i never made it past the cities...
[16:39:43] <sickness> libkeiser: oh, interesting... :)
[16:39:46] <kaiwai> hmm
[16:39:50] <Doc> what does "file setup_install_server" return ?
[16:39:59] <kaiwai> well, the president is an asshole but you guys vote him in twice
[16:40:05] <tomww> it is a shellscript to setup an jumpstart-server
[16:40:09] <sickness> Doc: I'd like to see the locations where they filmed LOTR :P
[16:40:20] <Doc> tomww: ok.. lets try this again
[16:40:25] <Doc> type     file setup_install_server
[16:40:41] <Doc> what does that command return when you run it?
[16:40:48] <tomww> usually a shellscript, but this disk image seems to be broken although md5 sum is correct and others (xen iso image) report the same
[16:41:35] <CSFrost> sickness, it was really a green room, most of the actors said they didn't want to go to any third world countries to film.
[16:41:59] <Doc> sickness: yah.. there are tours you can do that take you around many of those places
[16:42:07] <sickness> CSFrost: lol, but the documentary on the dvds says otherwise...
[16:42:12] <sickness> Doc: oh
[16:42:18] <Doc> NZ is actually a really nice place (I spent some time travelling there a few years ago)
[16:42:32] <CSFrost> sickness, they didn't want to let me onto the difficulties between the two countries.
[16:42:38] <Doc> tomww: are you going to tell me what 'file setup_install_server' returns, or not?
[16:42:51] <sickness> CSFrost: which 2 countries?
[16:43:27] <CSFrost> sickness, I think they are talking about the constant threats between nz and the us, and the war efforts
[16:43:59] <Doc> ohh.. i thought you were talking about the Bledisloe cup clash tonight between australia and NZ?
[16:44:12] <sickness> ...
[16:44:13] <sickness> :)
[16:44:46] <BadKarma> anyone, what host does smpatch connect in order to dload patches? is this sunsolve?
[16:46:10] <kaiwai> hmm, NZ won it IIRC
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[16:46:58] <CSFrost> so nz and au are at war too?
[16:47:14] <EchoBinary> if ive used blastwave to install emacs, wheres it get put?
[16:47:19] <Doc> only over the ref's decision for what he claimed was a high tackle
[16:47:20] <EchoBinary> i cant find it
[16:47:29] <Doc> /opt/csw
[16:47:33] <EchoBinary> thanks :)
[16:47:42] <CSFrost> it's probably in the middle of a clusterfsck of other stuff
[16:47:43] <Atomdrache> /opt/csw/bin, specifically.  Probably.
[16:47:48] <CSFrost> which makes it more difficult
[16:47:51] <Atomdrache> cd to that and ls | grep for it.
[16:48:02] <Doc> /opt/csw/bin/emacs, more specifically.
[16:48:10] <Atomdrache> That should be the full path, yes.
[16:48:18] <CSFrost> it's between the two extra copies of perl, and the extra java installation
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[16:48:40] <EchoBinary> lol
[16:49:09] <Atomdrache> That extra crap is annoying.  (I should take more care installing gAIM.  That spectacularly buggered GNOME until I removed some of gAIM's installation files.)
[16:50:11] <Atomdrache> Problem:  It installed basically an extra GNOME.
[16:50:16] <Atomdrache> (didn't go so well)
[16:50:23] <Atomdrache> (solution:  baleeted)
[16:51:16] * Atomdrache goes to sleep now.
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[17:07:19] <tomww> Doc: I first have to verify, that the dvd image is really really correct. file setup_install_server returns commands_text, but in fact it is really only zeros. so I will do an extra step to verify the image.
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[17:15:01] <cmihai> Gasp. I hate UNIX printing.
[17:15:48] <coffman> i hate printing on any system
[17:16:03] <cmihai> Heh, yeah.
[17:16:09] <cmihai> Always a pain.
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[17:16:34] <coffman> i refuse to service printer
[17:16:55] <coffman> maybe the network controller, but nothing else
[17:17:07] <coffman> even that is to much
[17:17:29] <jamesd__> try supporting an environment with  over 200 printers.
[17:17:48] <dvorak> yeah, I don't hate myself enough for that
[17:17:55] <cmihai> jamesd__: that's actually easier :P
[17:18:06] <cmihai> jamesd__: big bad network printers here, mostly Windows clients.
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[17:18:26] <cmihai> It's the crappy USB printers I hate. Always a pain to setup.
[17:18:37] <jamesd__> ours seem pretty good only  1 printer issue in the last 3 weeks.
[17:18:49] <coffman> nice
[17:19:05] <cmihai> jamesd__: it's usually some genius trying to stuff a cartboard on the wrong end.
[17:19:08] <jamesd__> at least on the unix side.. i'm not on the windows or desktop  team
[17:19:27] <coffman> i always like it when some one comes with a new printer and is proud that it has a network interface
[17:19:49] <coffman> then i ask him why the hell he did not spend 100 bucks more for post script
[17:19:54] <cmihai> Nah, all printers should be networked ;-). (and run an unprotected telnet daemon)
[17:19:58] <coffman> stupid idiots
[17:20:11] <cmihai> Oh, Postscript / PCL6 is a must.
[17:20:26] <Stric> working PJL support is pretty nice too..
[17:20:59] <Stric> instead of non-working support which I've been battling with lately.. like sending a regular print job and the printer display turns black and it's dead.
[17:21:11] <cmihai> Xerox?
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[17:21:20] <Stric> just because I said "here comes a print job called xyz and now I'm done"
[17:21:21] <cmihai> Xerox fucks up PJL with PCL
[17:21:23] <Stric> konica minolta
[17:21:26] <cmihai> Oh
[17:21:55] <Stric> talked to a KM technician which said it was the correct thing to do (total breakdown) if I sent some unknown command..
[17:22:01] <cmihai> ugh
[17:22:04] <Stric> and he had worked on Xerox before, they do the same thing
[17:22:25] <Stric> the funny thing is that every command I sent is fully supported according to their internal specs that I got from them
[17:22:38] <Stric> it's just default lprng+ifhp with job control.. nothing spectacular
[17:22:43] <cmihai> Well.. PCL isn't very fault tolerant... compared to PS
[17:22:48] <Stric> this is PS only
[17:23:18] <cmihai> Oh, PS should be more tolerant in terms of errors.. it's usually PCL errors in drivers or hardware that mess things up.
[17:23:26] <cmihai> PCL 6 mostly..
[17:23:48] <cmihai> Though it figures, it's designed for the Windows GDI ;-)
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[17:29:04] <cmihai> Anyway, how's ext2 Read/Write support now? There was a ext2fs 3rd party app, but not sure it was safe.
[17:29:11] <cmihai> There's some stuff in Belenix now, is that any good?
[17:29:44] <cmihai> Got a bunch of 500gig USB drives I use for backups.. figure ext2 would be the most portable
[17:30:44] <trygvis> fat is by far the most portable FS
[17:31:20] <cmihai> 4gb file limit, problems on Solaris and BSD
[17:31:41] <cmihai> + the whole file naming scheme thing
[17:31:59] <trygvis> hm, true
[17:32:48] <cmihai> Went for Veritas first, but realized it's not all that portable either.
[17:33:24] <trygvis> I think I'll get a NAS with NFS for backups soon
[17:33:40] <trygvis> get one with 4x 500GB drives, should be enough for a while
[17:33:52] <cmihai> This is backup FOR the NAS :P
[17:34:04] <trygvis> oh, hehe
[17:34:08] <trygvis> get another one! :)
[17:34:40] <cmihai> gee
[17:34:51] <tomww> so you should have zfs on the NAS and ZFS on the backup, to do incemental backups with zsend/receive ...
[17:35:12] <cmihai> Wouldn't that just double my costs? :-)
[17:35:36] <cmihai> And defeat the whole purpose of offline backups?. Oh well, I wish I could afford tape hehe
[17:36:22] <coffman> tape without a robo sucks
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[17:36:52] <cmihai> Well, with a tape changer, duh ;-)
[17:36:56] <sickness> (rsync -acr --inplace is sometimes even better than zfs send/receive...)
[17:37:16] <cmihai> But that would cost about 10 times my current sollution for a nice 8 tape changer with 500GB tapes
[17:37:40] <trygvis> what kind of tape is that?
[17:38:13] <cmihai> T1000
[17:38:15] <cmihai> sun
[17:38:28] <cmihai> Erm 10000
[17:38:37] <cmihai> http://www.storagetek.com/products/product_page2773.html
[17:38:59] <trygvis> interresting
[17:39:32] <trygvis> how much did it cost? and the tapes?
[17:40:00] <cmihai> huh? I don't have one.
[17:40:08] <cmihai> I said it would be NICE to have ;-)
[17:40:29] <sickness> yeah, for the pr0n =)
[17:40:34] <trygvis> ah
[17:41:17] <cmihai> Would get you to 10k for 10TB
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[17:42:44] <cmihai> That's 10 times the price of the same thing in 500GB USB disks
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[17:49:19] <cmihai> Hm..
[17:49:40] <cmihai> rmformat freezes looking for my USB disks
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[17:50:17] <cmihai> getdents64(3, 0xFEB44000, 8192)                 = 3408
[17:50:28] <cmihai> 'the hell?
[17:50:46] <tomww> unusual fdisk partitions on the usb device?
[17:50:47] <cmihai> I power on the disk
[17:50:48] <cmihai> rmformat works
[17:50:52] <cmihai> I power it off, it doesn't.
[17:50:57] <cmihai> tomww: nope, just a Linux ext2.
[17:52:23] <cmihai> Basically, when I power the disk on, format, rmformat and prtpart freeze.
[17:52:36] <cmihai> Power it down, work normal.
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[17:54:50] <tomww> if you switch off the automatic volmgmt, does it freeze too?
[17:54:57] <cmihai> You mean hal?
[17:54:58] <cmihai> Yeah.
[17:55:02] <cmihai> I stoped it.
[17:55:03] <tomww> maybe the device is open, and other tools are waiting...
[17:55:36] <tomww> svc:/system/filesystem/rmvolmgr:default
[17:56:48] <cmihai> Nope, stopped that and they still freeze.
[17:57:49] <tomww> I use a compacsflash card with a ext2 and a fat on it (psion 5mx with linux bootable).
[17:58:32] <cmihai> http://paste.lisp.org/display/44890 - here's a truss of all 3 programs and a dmesg.
[17:58:35] <tomww> i have to wait a very long time to have that mounted, other cards without the linux partiton are mounted instantly
[17:59:13] <cmihai> As you can see, getdents64(3, 0xFEAE4000, 8192)                 = 3408 is the stopping point for both.
[18:00:54] <cmihai> tomww: been waiting 5 minutes now... how long should I wait? :-)
[18:04:03] <tomww>  /usr/bin/prtpart is from the ext filesystem package?
[18:04:09] <cmihai> Yes.
[18:04:18] <tomww> another thing to look at is: cfgadm -avl
[18:04:29] <tomww> this schold show your disc device as connected+configured
[18:04:48] <tomww> *should
[18:05:06] <cmihai> lol
[18:05:07] <cmihai> That freezes too
[18:05:35] <tomww> so, it is time for a reboot to see if this is repeatable .-)
[18:05:54] <cmihai> Right...
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[18:06:16] <tomww> if you pull the usb disk and reconnect it in a short timeframe, this might have an influence..
[18:09:48] <coffman> yeah, you can debug usb problems with that
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[18:18:17] <cmihai> WOW, that was fucked up.
[18:18:21] <cmihai> Ok, here's the deal:
[18:18:33] <cmihai> Solaris won't start with those USB disks pluged in.
[18:18:46] <cmihai> Right after the kernel boots (bla 64bit) it freezes if the disk is on.
[18:19:03] <cmihai> as soon as I power it off from the button, Solaris boots, but I'm missing my network interface!
[18:19:07] <cmihai> dladm won't show it.
[18:19:21] <cmihai> I reboot without the USB disk, everything is back to normal. WTF?!
[18:21:00] <cmihai> Also, as soon as I powered off the disk I got 3: "Device is gone"
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[18:28:45] <tomww> does cfgadm -avl show the disk if everything else is normal?
[18:29:06] <tomww> your probably should de-register the device before removing it(=poweroff, pull cable)
[18:29:26] <tomww> cfgadm -c disconnect nameshownwitchcfgadm_-avl
[18:30:43] <tomww> if the device is still open, there should be a complain from cfgadm
[18:31:25] <cmihai> They all freeze.
[18:31:39] <cmihai> cfgadm won't show anything, it just hangs.
[18:32:31] <tomww> if your system is clean, after a reboot. you plug in the disk. if you issue the cfgadm -c disconnect  then, does this still freeze?
[18:32:43] <cmihai> I can't issue a cfgadm anything
[18:32:50] <cmihai> cfgadm, rmformat and format all FREEZE
[18:33:27] <tomww> hmm. so the only work, if you rebooted and never activated the external disk, right?
[18:33:50] <cmihai> Yep.
[18:33:55] <cmihai> Actually
[18:33:58] <cmihai> When I power it of
[18:34:02] <cmihai> it instantly works.
[18:34:05] <cmihai> Or remove the usb cable
[18:34:16] <cmihai> cfgadm shows 8 unconfigured OK USB ports, all empty.
[18:36:01] <cmihai> As soon as it's powered on and detected (about 3-4 seconds after it's plugged in) they all freeze.
[18:36:40] <cmihai> Can't even ^c them
[18:37:07] <cmihai> Won't even die on pkill or pkill -9
[18:37:32] <cmihai> Nothing in dmesg.
[18:37:38] <tomww> hmm. you want to try, removing the ext-/nfts-filesystem-stuff and see if this effect goes away?
[18:37:47] <cmihai> Eh, sure.
[18:37:54] <cmihai> Got one empty.
[18:39:19] <cmihai> Well, the bad news is.. it still freezes.
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[18:40:07] <cmihai> They're all 500GB Western Digital MyBook.
[18:41:55] <cmihai> Oh God.
[18:42:06] <cmihai> I've just tried another USB external disk enclosure.
[18:42:08] <cmihai> It works.
[18:42:09] <tomww> sorry, my idea was to remove the softwarepackages for ntfs/ext
[18:42:22] <cmihai> tomww: already removed them, it did nothing.
[18:42:29] <tomww> ah ok.
[18:42:34] <cmihai> The "good" news is I've tried another enclosure, a Nexstar 3
[18:42:41] <cmihai> USB 2.0, and that works perfectly.
[18:43:14] <tomww> if you dont need the contents of the disks, you could try a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/dsk/cthenameofthedisk_p0 bs=8225280 count=10
[18:43:41] <cmihai> Would /pci@0,0/pci1019,1b53@2,2/storage@8/disk@0,0 work?
[18:43:51] <tomww> this will erase the fdisk+stuff. recreate it with a linux box or another tool
[18:44:20] <cmihai> Erm..
[18:44:21] <tomww> I'm not shour if this relly starts with sector zero of the disk.
[18:44:34] <cmihai> That sort of defeates the purpose of recovering my backup :-)
[18:45:24] <cmihai> Anyway, before I bought these I asked in here about Solaris supoport, soneone said he had some or seen some on Solaris or something... you here mate? :-)
[18:45:37] <tomww> ah oky, you already have data in the disks?
[18:45:41] <tomww> then do not :-)
[18:45:42] <cmihai> Pretty much :-)
[18:45:46] <cmihai> Wrote it on Linux.
[18:46:20] <cmihai> I could dd a backup and put it back.. but I'd rather not mess.
[18:46:37] <tomww> hmm. how does the partitiontable of the disk looks like, if you do a sfdsik or fdisk on the disk ?
[18:47:12] <cmihai> Just one big Linux primary, formatted ext2.
[18:47:18] <tomww> for instance: sfdisk -uS -lx
[18:48:03] <cmihai> sfdisk?
[18:48:07] <tomww> you have no other box around, to be bootet with e.g. knoppix and plug the disk in there and copy over the net?
[18:48:08] <cmihai> What the hell's that :P
[18:48:23] <cmihai> Nah, no USB ports, that's the issue.
[18:48:28] <tomww> i loe sfdisk, because it enabled a more deep look into the partitons.
[18:48:34] <tomww> *love
[18:48:43] <cmihai> Got a RS/6000 with no USB, got a laptop with USB 1, got a laptop with no NIC.. :-\
[18:48:52] <cmihai> Oh, sfdisk is Linux?
[18:48:54] <cmihai> ok
[18:49:30] <tomww> sorry, i didn't mention that. the software world is so small :-)
[18:50:03] <cmihai> Sigh, guess I'll have to go back to Linux on this fileserver.
[18:50:30] <cmihai> Solaris didn't support the SATA before, so I got an upgrade :P
[18:51:36] <tomww> hey that is hard.
[18:52:13] <tomww> or you transfer your files via fat. split the big archiv into junks of 3.9GB for instance
[18:53:19] <tomww> e.g. tar cf - /sources | split archive.tar  (will give like archive.tar.aa .ab  .ac ...)
[18:53:47] <tomww> to restore: cat archive.tar.* | (cd /target-filesystem; tar xf -)
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[18:54:55] <coffman> oh dear
[18:55:04] <asyd> hello jamesd
[18:55:11] <jamesd> hi  ducky
[18:55:27] <asyd> whats sup
[18:56:09] <jamesd> nothing much
[18:56:18] <jamesd> tired.. its been a long week
[18:56:25] <CSFrost> cmihai, there are a few pages for linux uses of mybook, including the "hacking mybook" page http://martin.hinner.info/mybook/
[18:58:16] <CSFrost> a quick google doesn't seem to have problems show up on the normal editions via linux (that is)
[19:01:23] <CSFrost> I am not sure where the big difference would be in getting a drive that works under linux, to work under solaris? especially usb..
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[19:07:36] <cmihai> CSFrost: I wrote the data with Linux.
[19:07:39] <cmihai> Had no issues.
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[19:19:11] <eikoor> hello, little OT question, but since a lot of Sun guys hang over here it has been signalled as good place to ask. I would like to know how could I retrieve "effective" news on Sun recruiting programs. In particular if related to R&D in the Operating Systems area (if there are plans for internship on it and how the recruitment process work)
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[19:26:15] <quasi> eikoor: I remember someone writing on blogs.sun.com about looking for interns sometime in the last couple of weeks - it might be well worth looking for that
[19:28:24] <eikoor> quasi: I'm going to check, thanks
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[19:34:47] <cmihai> eikoor: so, do you actually know your stuff, or are you just looking for internship
[19:35:56] <eikoor> cmihai: I'm unsure about requirement -- I have no spectacular titles (just a BS in Electronic Engineering) but I'm doing a fairly couple of kernel hacking, either professionally and not professionally
[19:36:28] <cmihai> Are you familiar with Solaris internals?
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[19:37:00] <eikoor> cmihai: I'm a FreeBSD developers, mainly working on SMP so I know rather well the SMP support Solaris kernel provides
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[19:37:34] <eikoor> besides that my knowledge of Solaris kernel is not particulary deep
[19:37:56] <cmihai> eikoor: may I suggest 2 good books on the subject?
[19:38:10] <eikoor> cmihai: 'Solaris internals'?
[19:38:13] <cmihai> Yep :-)
[19:38:16] <cmihai> got them?
[19:38:19] <eikoor> cmihai: yes
[19:38:22] <eikoor> alredy passed :)
[19:38:32] <eikoor> but I hope this is not all...
[19:38:33] <cmihai> heh
[19:38:48] <eikoor> cmihai: in particular I got them to see how Solaris implements turnstiles
[19:38:57] <eikoor> their implementation is a little bit different from us
[19:39:11] <cmihai> I've been looking over Sun job ads for the past year or so...
[19:39:24] <eikoor> cmihai: related to what field?
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[19:40:14] <cmihai> Software Engineer is all they have really.
[19:40:22] <cmihai> Where are you from?
[19:40:26] <eikoor> cmihai: Italy
[19:40:38] <cmihai> That's good, since the ones I've seen are in Europe anyway :-)
[19:40:51] <eikoor> cmihai: wow, do you have links at them?
[19:41:04] <cmihai> They have a big centre in the Checz Republic actually, they're looking for device drivers and engineers
[19:41:09] <cmihai> and install technology specialists
[19:41:20] <cmihai> Developing stuff for JumpStart and Caiman (the new installer)
[19:41:38] <cmihai> eikoor: http://www.ejobs.ro/user/toate_an_comp.php?cid=41427 - just click, the job ads are in English.
[19:41:48] <cmihai> There used to be a lot more... some of the better ones seem to be gone.
[19:41:52] <cmihai> There were 2 for kernel hackers.
[19:42:06] <eikoor> cmihai: thanks a lot
[19:42:13] <eikoor> very usefull
[19:43:04] <cmihai> eikoor: hey, if you make it, you may put in a good word for me :P. I plan to apply in about 6-12 months, got some studies to finish first...
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[19:43:44] <eikoor> cmihai: where are you located actually?
[19:43:53] <cmihai> Bucharest, Romania.
[19:44:01] <eikoor> cmihai: ok
[19:44:08] <eikoor> rather next to cz
[19:44:22] <cmihai> Yeah, it's pretty close.
[19:44:30] <cmihai> And I fancy Prague :-)
[19:44:36] <eikoor> are you an OpenSolaris hacker?
[19:44:59] <cmihai> Nah, just a sysadmin / dba atm
[19:45:55] <CSFrost> I am a CC for the OpenSolaris channel
[19:46:06] <cmihai> A what now?
[19:46:07] <CSFrost> (Chief Complainer)
[19:46:08] <cmihai> Credit Card?
[19:46:09] <cmihai> :-)
[19:53:04] <CSFrost> Asus has to be kidding me..
[19:53:57] <CSFrost> their product selection page doesn't seem to work on Firefox, or Opera, even tried on konqueror or whatever it's called...
[19:54:17] <cmihai> That's nice
[19:54:31] <CSFrost> anyone else want to give it a try? http://usa.asus.com/products_compare.aspx
[19:54:37] <CSFrost> to make sure it's just not my luck
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[19:58:08] <palowoda> CSFrost: It only works with IE.
[20:00:29] <coffman> CSFrost: fire up wine
[20:01:26] <palowoda> I usually drink it.
[20:01:56] <CSFrost> okay, got a bottle of wine smoking away
[20:02:08] <CSFrost> still isn't working on any of those browsers..
[20:02:13] <CSFrost> I guess the flaming wine didn't help
[20:02:55] <coffman> hmm
[20:03:00] <axisys> how do I find what are the real disks (cXdYtZ) here http://rafb.net/p/MFKa1q11.html
[20:03:07] <coffman> they search a video game tester
[20:03:18] <coffman> i think i apply for that ;P
[20:08:33] <axisys> anyone would know how to map this output to actual disk http://rafb.net/p/MFKa1q11.html
[20:08:55] <cmihai> CSFrost: are those Acer Ferarri Clones?
[20:09:00] <cmihai> Asus Lamborghini?
[20:09:02] <cmihai> Oh come on!
[20:09:47] <CSFrost> shrug.. I dunno
[20:10:05] <CSFrost> I was just going to buy some more amd and intel server boards
[20:10:15] <CSFrost> but, I am looking elsewhere now
[20:10:31] <cmihai> tyan
[20:11:25] <CSFrost> I used to buy tyan boards.. I am thinking about it.. just researching what else is around
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[20:11:56] <CSFrost> kind of dissapointed I had to switch away from asus, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
[20:12:10] <quasi> last tyans I had weren't impressive at all
[20:14:40] <palowoda> Why did you have to switch away from ASUS?
[20:15:01] <CSFrost> quasi.. that's a bit why I switched away from them
[20:15:24] <CSFrost> palowoda, because I can't research their products, they obviously don't need my money :-)
[20:16:09] <palowoda> Hmm, just wondered.  I know Ian Collins is using the ASUS Quad 74FX with opensolaris.  Seems to work fine.
[20:16:58] <CSFrost> I have an Asus board sitting here waiting for opty quads..
[20:17:16] <CSFrost> I bought it back when I could use opera and firefox to navigate the site :-P
[20:17:34] <CSFrost> I just won't buy any now.
[20:18:47] <cmihai> ;-)
[20:19:33] <palowoda> Yeah I hate it too when websites are built with IE dependencies.  Anyways Ian got the stuff from www.ewiz.com which shipped international.
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[20:19:59] <palowoda> I can't believe they shipped two day down to NZ.
[20:20:16] <cmihai> Cool
[20:20:40] <cmihai> I got a system from Austria, shipped the same day, arrived in 1 day :-).
[20:20:41] <CSFrost> heh, know what's funny? I could care less about the retailers, I'd just like to be able to navigate a site if I need support, or specs.
[20:20:58] <cmihai> CSFrost: ehem
[20:21:01] <cmihai> Taiwan mate
[20:21:11] <cmihai> American components, Russian components, all made in taiwan!
[20:21:19] <CSFrost> and...?
[20:21:28] <Auralis> armageddon :)
[20:21:32] <cmihai> Most of their sites are crap.
[20:21:40] <cmihai> Or in Chinese.
[20:21:41] <cmihai> Or both.
[20:21:45] <palowoda> both
[20:21:54] <CSFrost> so? I still should be able to get a bios update if I need...
[20:22:05] <cmihai> Heh, right.
[20:22:16] <CSFrost> why should I buy from someone who doesn't want to make customers happy?
[20:22:25] <cmihai> It's cheap? :-)
[20:22:25] <tomww> axisys: looked for didadm -L or soething. on clusters scdidadm -L
[20:22:27] <CSFrost> and incase you ask, I already sent my feedback emails to them..
[20:22:44] <cmihai> Eh
[20:22:51] <cmihai> Did you send it in English?
[20:22:52] <cmihai> :-)
[20:22:54] <cmihai> They can't read that :P
[20:23:38] <CSFrost> in taiwan?
[20:23:53] <CSFrost> that wouldn't be so likely :-P
[20:25:01] <cmihai> Why don't you use "unlikely" like the rest of the world? :P
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[20:26:56] <palowoda> hmm the asus website really does have a crappy design.
[20:27:22] <wesolows> oh yeah, it's terrible.  Basically useless.
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[20:38:06] <axisys> tomww: scdidadm -L did not show the d250 .. and yes I am using sun cluster 3.1
[20:38:55] <tomww> you have the did-device-names in sync on both machines?
[20:39:20] <tomww> if you issue the command on both sieds, are the outputs exactly the same?
[20:39:47] <axisys> tomww: let me check
[20:42:21] <axisys> tomww: look same
[20:42:40] <cmihai> Grr
[20:42:53] <cmihai> I hate it when I type eject in those locked front panel cases
[20:43:56] <tomww> axisys: you are looking for d250? this seems to be a strip of several disks, so won't won't find exactly one disk
[20:44:48] <tomww> yes, it is a stripe of 4 disks: xxxx-set/d250 1 4 d8s0 d15s0 d19s0 d22s0 -i 32b
[20:44:59] <tomww> something wrong with them?
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[20:48:49] <axisys> tomww: check ur pm
[20:51:58] <axisys> i found d8, d15, d19 and d22
[20:52:11] <axisys> oops.. not d22
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[21:02:48] <axisys> d22 is there too.. i was looking at format which shows disk 15 for the same device..
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[21:15:14] <Gman_> anyone have latest sxce/on?
[21:15:20] * Gman_ has a reproducible dtrace bug on 66
[21:15:40] <cmihai> Eh
[21:15:43] <cmihai> I have erm.. 68 here
[21:15:46] <cmihai> What's the issue?
[21:15:53] <Gman_> care to run a quick script?
[21:16:02] <cmihai> Yeah, sure.
[21:16:06] <cmihai> paste.lisp.org it
[21:16:11] <Gman_> ok
[21:16:45] <Gman_> http://paste.lisp.org/display/44899
[21:17:42] <Gman_> running the script with './dtrace-script -Z -c 'zenity --about' seems to crash
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[21:19:15] <Gman_> hrm, can't seem to get it to core atm
[21:19:20] * Gman_ wonders if that really was the script he ran
[21:19:34] <cmihai> Eh
[21:19:43] <cmihai> # ./dtrace-script -Z -c 'zenity --about'
[21:19:43] <cmihai> dtrace: script './dtrace-script' matched 0 probes
[21:19:43] <cmihai> dtrace: pid 2187 exited with status 1
[21:19:43] <cmihai> #
[21:19:44] <Gman_> yeah
[21:19:48] <Gman_> it cored
[21:20:00] <cmihai> This one ran the about here.
[21:20:01] <Gman_> if you ^C it
[21:20:11] <cmihai> I selected "close" in the about box.
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[21:20:36] <Gman_> start the script, ^C when you see the matched 0 probes
[21:20:51] <cmihai> Nothing happened.
[21:21:21] <Gman_> http://paste.lisp.org/display/44900
[21:21:24] <richlowe> Gman_: Hm?
[21:22:03] <cmihai> Gman_: umh.. no :-). All looks well.
[21:22:20] <Gman_> hrm
[21:22:32] <cmihai> Gman_: oh, wait, I have an idea :p
[21:22:38] <cmihai> Sun shared shell hehe
[21:23:59] <Gman_> definitely coring here
[21:24:04] <richlowe> Gman_: seems fine in 67.
[21:24:26] <cmihai> Gman_: sun.com/123 invite X33-0VD-P0J
[21:24:31] <Gman_> [apart from the fact that the script is wrong and is picking up 0 probes]
[21:24:53] <richlowe> well, I'm trying to see what you're seeing.
[21:24:59] <richlowe> fixing your damn script is counterproductive in such a situation, no?
[21:25:46] <Gman_> cmihai, interesting
[21:25:57] <cmihai> Gman_: yeah, I can give you root here, without ENTER key :P
[21:26:00] <richlowe> Gman_: it's because gtkx11 has the dumbest SONAME ever.
[21:26:12] <richlowe> Gman_: so it appears the naming you used didn't resolve happily.
[21:26:12] <cmihai> <3 Sun Shared shell hehe
[21:26:12] <Gman_> heh
[21:26:17] <richlowe> enter the full name to the real lib, and it works.
[21:26:28] <richlowe> (libgtk-x11-1.0.so.0.1000.12)
[21:26:35] <richlowe> whatever in the world possesed you to do such a thing? :)
[21:27:35] <Gman_> still matching 0 probes
[21:27:43] <wesolows> what's so terrible about just calling both the file and the SONAME libfoo.so.1?
[21:27:51] <richlowe> Gman_: wait a little while.
[21:28:13] <Gman_> uh, nothing
[21:28:23] <richlowe> from memory, and looking at it, it's going to match 0 first time through.
[21:28:28] <richlowe> that is, after all, why you gave it -Z ...
[21:29:05] <cmihai> Ah, it works :-)
[21:29:47] <Gman_> richlowe, ah, you have a different soname than me
[21:29:51] <richlowe> whether or not it not noticing the lib by the name you originally used is an issue, I have no idea.
[21:30:00] <richlowe> but giving it the filename, rather than the SONAME cleared it up here.
[21:30:08] <Gman_> i can still reproduce with correct soname
[21:30:24] <cmihai> richlowe: was right, /usr/lib/amd64/libgtk-x11-2.0.so=libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1000.12 s none SUNWgnome-base-libs
[21:30:39] <cmihai> With that it works fine.
[21:30:41] <Gman_> same stack trace
[21:32:58] <cmihai> Gman_: SPARC?
[21:33:03] <Gman_> x86
[21:33:07] <cmihai> Odd.
[21:33:18] <cmihai> Well, it's not happening in SXCE 68.
[21:33:47] <Gman_> ^C'ing immediately when you see the matches 0 probes' text?
[21:34:11] <cmihai> Yeah
[21:34:58] <Gman_> ok, i'll log, attached the core dump and let the guys close it if they can't reproduce or get any value from it
[21:35:42] <cmihai> 8YY-7D9-888 if you want to try it here, maybe I'm missing something to make it crash :p
[21:35:46] <cmihai> Magic touch or something hehe
[21:41:06] <seanmcg> Gman_: got core, almost same stack as yours...
[21:41:27] <Gman_> cool
[21:41:53] <seanmcg> think I've seen this bug before,  off to search..
[21:42:14] <seanmcg> btw, am on the latest on,,
[21:42:32] * Gman_ in the middle of uploading a core file
[21:45:15] <seanmcg> Gman_: let me know bug id, I'll add core etc too...
[21:45:26] <Gman_> ok
[21:49:04] <richlowe> got it.
[21:58:28] <Gman_> seanmcg, 6583726
[21:58:47] <seanmcg> thanks.
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[22:47:44] <e^ipi> anyone remember which Alpha machine it was that came in an AT formfactor?
[22:48:03] <richlowe> pws, I think.
[22:49:25] <e^ipi> just trying to see if i can acquire an alpha or vax that won't cost a fortune in shipping on top of it's over-inflated price because of old DEC shops
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[22:53:18] <cmihai> e^ipi: you can get EV68 based 1U machines from old Cray clusters
[22:53:22] <cmihai> Those things still have a kick
[22:53:26] <cmihai> Though won't run OpenVMS
[22:53:29] * Plaidrab encountered what could be a solution to the prstat/top gtat/tar type issues. I forgot it was there. Anyone used the "alternative" system F7 and the like use?
[22:53:45] <e^ipi> cmihai, which kinna defeats the whole purpose of getting an alpha, doesn't it?
[22:53:47] <richlowe> yow, no!
[22:53:52] <richlowe> that just makes things worse.
[22:53:56] <richlowe> suddenly what you type and what you get differ.
[22:54:21] <richlowe> the variety of things masquerading as 'vi' on linux machines with alternatives-like things is a constant annoyance.
[22:54:38] <wesolows> yes
[22:54:42] <e^ipi> like elvis/vim/etc
[22:54:47] <e^ipi> ?
[22:54:52] <cmihai> e^ipi: well, I won't recommend you want I've got :-)
[22:54:53] <Plaidrab> Well, admittedly, it's better for tar/gtar issues than top vs prstat.
[22:54:56] <cmihai> 200kg :P
[22:55:04] <wesolows> if prstat and top were truly identical, why would you need both?  And if they're not, why would you want to get something other than what you types?
[22:55:08] <e^ipi> hmm... 200 kilos from romania...
[22:55:09] <e^ipi> yeah, no
[22:55:26] <cmihai> heh
[22:55:28] <Plaidrab> If they were identical, no. But it's debatable how big an if that is.
[22:55:31] <cmihai> I've got 2!
[22:55:31] <e^ipi> if you gave it to me, i'd appreciate te gesture, but have to politely decline
[22:55:37] <cmihai> hehe
[22:55:40] <wesolows> again, I think the right answer is to enhance prstat to do whatever it is that people like from top, then just carry on
[22:56:05] <Plaidrab> Well, that solves top. :)
[22:56:26] <wesolows> the rest of the "alternatives" things are best handled by individual users
[22:56:37] <cmihai> e^ipi: 2 of these http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1994-1.htm connected to a this: http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1993-6.htm
[22:56:38] <coffman> no, the right answer is to ignore such people
[22:56:57] <Plaidrab> It'd be nice to get some of the gtar features into a proper tar.
[22:56:57] <wesolows> if I want to get vim when I type vi (and I do) then it's my job to alias that in my shell
[22:57:10] <cmihai> e^ipi: well, you could always get an Itanium and run OpenVMS, HP-UX and Linux at the same time in hardware virtualization / nPars
[22:57:20] <Plaidrab> I get flummoxed by non-vi when vi pops up. Hee.
[22:57:21] <e^ipi> i'd love to get an itanium
[22:57:30] <cmihai> Though Itaniums are VERY expensive.
[22:57:33] <coffman> lol
[22:57:35] <coffman> no
[22:57:37] <cmihai> They run for about 2000 Euro on ebay
[22:57:38] <wesolows> Plaidrab: There are already bugs open for the -z/-j one, which I imagine is 99% of what anyone cares aobut
[22:57:39] <e^ipi> yeah, and the used market is completely dry
[22:57:44] <coffman> they sell for about 100 euro atm
[22:57:44] <cmihai> Indeed.
[22:57:45] <e^ipi> because nobody bought them in the first place
[22:57:48] <cmihai> coffman: they do?
[22:57:49] <cmihai> Itanium 2?
[22:57:52] <cmihai> Where?
[22:58:03] <Plaidrab> well, I'd like -Z too, just cause. But yeah
[22:58:05] <coffman> itanium 1 maybe
[22:58:07] <wesolows> Plaidrab: or should I say RFEs, since that's what they are.
[22:58:09] <e^ipi> you can pick up an old i2000 for a couple hundred dollars US
[22:58:11] <wesolows> compress?!
[22:58:24] <jamesd> cmihai, and they get more expensive when you relize that you paid $$$$ for this piece of shit, and your reseller will probably make you pay a restocking fee and return shipping to get it out of your site ;-)
[22:58:27] <wesolows> all right, I was listening to you and taking you seriously until you said that
[22:58:34] <cmihai> e^ipi: that's Itanium 1, that blows...
[22:58:51] <wesolows> but (a) gzip can read compress(1) archives, and (b) no one has created a compress(1) archive since probably 1985 at the latest.
[22:59:03] <e^ipi> my POWER machine is 333mhz... compute power isn't really the goal here
[22:59:44] <coffman> alpha - http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=016&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=260140777368&rd=1&rd=1
[23:00:01] <coffman> itanium - http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270147058922&rd=1&rd=1
[23:00:14] <cmihai> coffman: that's a DS20E 666Mhz mate.
[23:00:44] <coffman> a couple of the itaniums sold for around 100euros
[23:01:04] <cmihai> heh
[23:01:55] <coffman> you pay more for a p3 server like a dl380
[23:02:10] <e^ipi> i'm in canada
[23:02:17] <cmihai> e^ipi: lol
[23:02:24] <e^ipi> overseas shipping is not an option, it'll cost hundreds
[23:02:27] <cmihai> e^ipi: gecko computers wouldn't even ship here.
[23:02:41] <cmihai> Hell, I got a quote from Germany for 300 Euro shipping for 20kg
[23:03:04] <Plaidrab> : is occasionally tempted by the ugly 220s on anysystems. :)
[23:03:39] <cmihai> e^ipi: oh, not to mention there may be power issues.
[23:03:49] <cmihai> Do you do 220V in Canada?
[23:03:50] <cmihai> Or 110?
[23:04:21] <cmihai> I remember last time I got a 110V system and some dolt pluged it in hehe
[23:05:03] <e^ipi> we do 110 here
[23:05:40] <cmihai> Right. And you don't want to buy a 220V system ;-]
[23:05:58] <cmihai> Forget the fact the power connectors don't match.
[23:06:12] <e^ipi> meh, the converters are not terribly expensive
[23:06:24] <coffman> most systems are wide range anyways
[23:06:35] <wesolows> IEC14 and IEC20 inlets are the same no matter the voltage
[23:06:48] <wesolows> which is how computer equipment gets destroyed :-)
[23:07:03] <cmihai> wesolows: yeah. that's how this guy managed to plug it in
[23:07:06] <cmihai> Replaced the connector.
[23:07:07] <cmihai> BAM!
[23:07:19] <cmihai> Big fireball + magic blue smoke
[23:07:26] <e^ipi> undervoltage wouldnt destroy machines though
[23:09:06] <coffman> gar i got a ide disk and two usb enclosures, the disk is 160gb and gets showed 160gb in windows. under solaris rmformat shows me on both enclosures only 131gb while a zpool over the whole disk gives me 127gb only
[23:09:45] <wesolows> that's because windows lies
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[23:09:54] <wesolows> I'm sure it does so at the request of the disk makers
[23:10:01] <cmihai> heh
[23:10:06] <cmihai> Still should't be 127
[23:10:08] <cmihai> More like 146
[23:10:21] <cmihai> Wait, 156 even
[23:10:24] <wesolows> should be 149 or so
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[23:10:41] <coffman> e^ipi: not true, power regulators can get damaged
[23:10:42] <cmihai> Nope, 152.
[23:10:49] <wesolows> 160000000000/2^30
[23:11:05] <coffman> its too low..
[23:11:10] <wesolows> anyway, 131 seems a bit wrong too
[23:11:19] <cmihai> Indeed.
[23:11:20] <coffman> i got a 200gb disk works fine in both
[23:11:58] <cmihai> Hey, at least your USB disks work
[23:12:01] <cmihai> Mine freeze Solaris
[23:12:02] <wesolows> it may be partitioned
[23:12:08] <wesolows> that might explain the difference
[23:12:28] <richlowe> cmihai: don't happen to be plugging them into a keyboard with a hub in it, do you?
[23:12:41] <cmihai> richlowe: no mate.
[23:12:48] <wesolows> richlowe: I've seen that too, intermittently, with an ipod.
[23:12:54] <cmihai> Same USB hub my OTHER disks work.
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[23:13:05] <wesolows> richlowe: But unplugging and replugging the keyboard itself usually makes everything fine again
[23:13:06] <coffman> richlowe: you fucked that disks with linux :P
[23:13:11] <cmihai> Solaris won't boot, rmformat / format  / cfgadm freeze
[23:13:16] <wesolows> an actual system hang happened only once I think
[23:13:24] <cmihai> Power down the disk - they instantly go back to life
[23:13:36] <wesolows> cmihai: How many CPU cores in the box?
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[23:13:43] <cmihai> wesolows: erm... 1
[23:13:48] <cmihai> It's an AMD64 3200
[23:13:52] <sickness> little question, where do I find "System Administration Guide: IP Services" ?
[23:13:56] <wesolows> yeah, that explains the difference in behaviour that we see
[23:13:58] <wesolows> I have 4
[23:14:01] <cmihai> sickness: docs.sun.com
[23:14:06] <wesolows> so it hangs the keyboard and presumably one core
[23:14:13] <sickness> cmihai: is it updated for snv66? I don't think so...
[23:14:14] <wesolows> but that doesn't wedge the whole box
[23:14:48] <cmihai> wesolows: the other apps work, just format / rmformat and cfgadm...
[23:15:06] <cmihai> But Solaris still won't boot with the disk powered on, but you're right.. if I had DualCore and having multi-threaded boot, it would probably boot.
[23:15:14] <cmihai> As soon as I power it of, boot continues ;-(
[23:15:32] <cmihai> Problem is.. I have all my porn.. 2TB of it on those disks.
[23:15:35] <wesolows> won't boot sounds like devfsadm waiting on the device tree walk
[23:15:42] <cmihai> Yeah
[23:15:46] <wesolows> which is almost certainly the same problem as with format etc
[23:15:57] <cmihai> wesolows: http://paste.lisp.org/display/44890 here's a truss
[23:16:14] <richlowe> wesolows: I've had to unplug the keyboard, then storage from keyboard, then plug the keyboard back in.
[23:16:15] <coffman> hey, cmihai is doomed, could we talk about my problem? i see the disk :P
[23:16:23] <sickness> this really isn't clear!
[23:16:30] <sickness> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/docs/specs.html
[23:16:39] <cmihai> coffman: but I don't want to be doomened, can't you see people have given me hope?!
[23:16:46] <axisys> I see this message every few mins in my both cluster nodes
[23:16:50] <axisys> Jul 21 16:50:06 cricket fcsm: [ID 517869 kern.warning] WARNING: fcsm(2): login_ms_comp: Management server login failed: <Transport error>
[23:17:04] <axisys> can anyone recognize this?
[23:17:12] <richlowe> wesolows: and nothing is obviously wedged either, we see the devices vanish.
[23:17:16] <axisys> cricket is the name of the host
[23:17:19] <sickness> The NIC must support the latest version of GLD. These include bge, e1000g, xge, nge, and rge devices. For more information on GLDv3 interfaces, see "Solaris OS Interface Types" in System Administration Guide: IP Services. <- so, I should find the list of supported snv66 GLDv3 interfaces on a book about... Solaris10 administration?!?!?
[23:17:22] <richlowe> which possibly makes it more annoying to figure out why, rather than less.
[23:17:39] <wesolows> richlowe: Perhaps it's waiting on some cv that also gets signalled when a device unplug interrupt occurs.
[23:18:02] <axisys> ps -ef | grep fcsm does not show anything
[23:18:11] <richlowe> wesolows: from what I've seen, it's not waiting on anything, it sees a disconnect that didn't happen.
[23:18:16] <axisys> how do link a error message on syslog like that to a process?
[23:18:19] <wesolows> richlowe: That's odd.
[23:18:20] <cmihai> Well, this is confusing :-).
[23:18:25] <richlowe> wesolows: boyd has more details than I do, I think.
[23:18:33] <wesolows> Don't really understand why that would hang anything though.
[23:18:36] <richlowe> wesolows: he actually does it by mistake, I only did it to try and see what the hell boyd was talking about. :)
[23:18:50] <wesolows> *shrug* USB sucks.  Deal.
[23:18:59] <cmihai> getdents64(3, 0xFEAE4000, 8192)                 = 3408
[23:19:02] <cmihai> It freezes here
[23:19:03] <wesolows> If you want shit to work, use SAS.
[23:19:10] <cmihai> That should list directories or something right?
[23:19:21] <wesolows> You put your pr0n on USB disks, well, you get what you deserve.
[23:19:31] <cmihai> But I need my p0rn :-(
[23:19:34] <cmihai> It's all my data...A
[23:19:50] <cmihai> I made a clean install of Solaris since I just got an upgrade so the fileserver can see my SATA disks...
[23:19:58] <cmihai> Solaris didn't like my other controller ;-\
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[23:27:13] <coffman> hmpf
[23:27:22] <coffman> 0. c0t0d0 <DEFAULT cyl 16707 alt 2 hd 255 sec 63> /pci@0,0/pci1734,1092@13,2/storage@1/disk@0,0
[23:28:05] <cmihai> What does rmformat say about size?
[23:28:56] <coffman> Size: 131,1 GB
[23:29:58] <cmihai> What does format say (partition)
[23:30:36] <coffman> that i should run fdisk, no label on it since i want to hand it over clean to zfs
[23:31:23] <cmihai> Well, give it a label and see what it does. You can always wipe it clean with dd.
[23:34:10] <coffman> no change
[23:36:40] <cmihai> Ah well.
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[23:36:51] <cmihai> Anyway, does anyone here have an Intel Santa Rosa based laptop?
[23:36:56] <cmihai> I'm wondering about Solaris support.
[23:37:26] <sickness> ok, that line, should really by substituted with this simple URL: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/crossbow/faq/#ipinst_which_nic
[23:37:29] <sickness> :)
[23:37:33] <cmihai> Acer Aspire 5920G to be more exact.
[23:37:53] <e^ipi> acer makes some not bad cheap kit
[23:37:54] <sparvu> hi all
[23:37:55] <m0le> I have installed solaris on alot of Acer laptops
[23:38:33] <m0le> Worst case scenario I seen was lack of wireless support and no modem support but i mean who really uses a modem these days.
[23:39:14] <cmihai> This is a Santa Rosa T7300 - 2 Ghz / 4 MB SLC /800 Mhz FSB 2GB DDR2 667 max 4 GB, 160 GB HDD@5400 RPM Hitachi Nvidia Go 8600 GT @ 256 MB GDDR3
[23:39:54] <cmihai> The important part is the platform. Intel Santa Rosa, same as the new MacBook pros
[23:40:08] <palowoda> 5400rpm drives just don't do justice with solaris
[23:40:49] <cmihai> Eh, I can always swap it for a 7200 RPM 200GB
[23:40:58] <cmihai> And add 2 more gigs of RAM
[23:41:07] <palowoda> That's what I would do.
[23:41:21] <cmihai> That's what I plan if it works anyway.
[23:41:38] <cmihai> I'm mostly worried about the SATA controller... no disks, no solaris :P
[23:41:58] <palowoda> You have to find someone with a model close and ask them to fire up belenix livecd.
[23:42:09] <cmihai> Yeah
[23:42:21] <cmihai> And they won't ship unless I purchase, so I can't test.
[23:44:18] <palowoda> I have a friend who ordered one of these Sager NP9260-V's and I'll try the belenux on it as soon as he gets it. http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product2.cfm?ProductType=9260&SubType=V
[23:44:40] <palowoda> err belenix
[23:44:52] <cmihai> cool
[23:45:00] <cmihai> Expensive though
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[23:45:39] <palowoda> And that is the midrange.  You should see the price on the 20inch laptops.
[23:45:45] <cmihai> Ouch
[23:45:49] <cmihai> What's the deal anyway
[23:46:04] <cmihai> Don't people know they need to get the important stuff?
[23:46:09] <cmihai> Like 4GB of DDR2 667?
[23:46:17] <cmihai> And a CPU with 4MB cache?
[23:46:50] <cmihai> I've seen it man, 3000$ laptops with 2MB cache CPU's or DDR 533 on 2.13 Ghz Core 2 CPUs.
[23:46:51] <palowoda> DDR2 800 is going for 99.00 a two gig dimm now.   189.00 for 4gig
[23:47:13] <palowoda> sodimms might be more.
[23:47:16] <cmihai> Yeah
[23:47:19] <cmihai> But still.
[23:47:35] <palowoda> There is glut of memory on the market right now.
[23:47:56] <cmihai> Take the laptop with the beefy cache CPU (T7300 is fine, 2Ghz, 4MB cache), add 4GB of fast memory and a faster disk (200GB SATA 7200 RPM is a must) and you're set.
[23:48:02] <cmihai> The rest is garbage.
[23:48:20] <cmihai> Well, you want the card to be NVIDIA with dedicated memory :P
[23:48:45] <palowoda> Yeah but if you want to watch high def video the expense comes in on the lcd ugxa and graphics card.
[23:49:13] <cmihai> Eh
[23:49:21] <cmihai> The one I'm getting seems to be bleeding edge stuff anyway
[23:49:26] <cmihai> Direct X 10 card ffs.
[23:49:33] <cmihai> Should handle anything.
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[23:50:17] <palowoda> I have a nvidia 7800GTS in my laptop seems to handle the video ok.
[23:50:32] <cmihai> It's not like a laptop is supposed to do 159 fps in quake 4 or 11000 qpm in Oracle or whatever :-)
[23:51:30] <cmihai> Well, time for a reinstall.. I need access to my stuff ;-(.
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