[00:00:15] <elektronkind> better yet, stuff like this is easy to supply a patch for... so not only an objection, but a patch to go along with it ;)
[00:01:13] <richlowe> complaint about fcinfo, while you're there.
[00:01:17] <richlowe> 'complain', rather.
[00:01:32] <elektronkind> let me guess, they wrote that too
[00:01:41] * elektronkind rolls his eyes
[00:01:42] <richlowe> though looking at it, that may have been fixed somewhat.
[00:01:44] * wesolows complains about the cost of the equipment he'd need in order to use fcinfo at all
[00:01:49] <richlowe> from memory, it used to be work.
[00:01:52] <richlowe> 'worse'
[00:02:56] <elektronkind> I wonder, just what CLI guidelines were the makers of fcinfo et al following?
[00:03:33] <richlowe> a combination of CLIP and pcp, would be my guess.
[00:03:41] <jmcp> and mpathadm
[00:03:49] <wesolows> is it the same as mpathadm and iscsitadm?
[00:04:02] <wesolows> yeah, the horrible storage CLIs
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[00:04:54] <jmcp> and don't forget 6370883, "fcinfo command line response is unfriendly"
[00:06:14] <quasi> jmcp: fcinfo syntax is a bit hard to get working
[00:06:29] <jmcp> that's the point
[00:06:57] <quasi> remote-port doesn't play nice
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[00:09:59] <elektronkind> well, comsol is a long time in coming anyway... can't disparage them for that.
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[00:10:13] <wesolows> COMSTAR
[00:10:17] <elektronkind> er yeah
[00:10:20] <wesolows> ALL HAIL COMSTAR
[00:10:27] <jmcp> just imagine if these guys wrote the interface for ls
[00:10:44] <elektronkind> comsol is a math modeling app I had to install here at the university... got my wires crossed on that
[00:11:15] <elektronkind> jmcp: ls list-atime -l
[00:11:21] * jmcp snorts
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[00:13:15] <elektronkind> the only thing that would make stmfadm more wacky would be lun masking configs that had to specificed in polish notation
[00:13:52] * wesolows read "stfuadm"
[00:14:09] <quasi> elektronkind: you really shouldn't be giving them ideas
[00:16:25] * jmcp coffees
[00:16:49] * elektronkind wonders where in hell the new 6140s he just wired up to the admin network went off to
[00:17:44] <quasi> elektronkind: pr0n storage
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[00:21:40] <sommerfeld> Hmm.  So with COMSTAR, solaris would implement the SCSI media changer protocol as a target but not as an initiator?
[00:21:59] <movement> richlowe: there?
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[00:31:23] <dgtl__> when I try and # fdisk /dev/rdsk/c4d0s2 it comes back saying it cannot open the device. However it's fully accessible in Linux using that fdisk. anyone have any ideas?
[00:32:00] <Auralis> because its a non existing device
[00:32:06] <quasi> dgtl__: you probably can't fsidk s2
[00:32:42] <wesolows> try fdisk against /dev/rdsk/<whatever)p0
[00:32:49] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:33:19] <nachox> morning
[00:33:19] <dgtl__> ahah. thanks, wesolows
[00:33:35] <estibi> just ask, what if root is a role and system has the problem and ask for root password when it boots?
[00:34:07] <nachox> what's the question? :P
[00:34:29] * pwnguin just got the open solaris starter kit yesterday
[00:34:49] <pwnguin> does it not pick up ethernet ports if there's no cable plugged in?
[00:35:27] <elektronkind> pwnguin: are you referring to the installer?
[00:35:38] <estibi> nachox: if root is a RBAC role you cannot login directly by root account
[00:35:53] <pwnguin> elektronkind: any of the live cds, or the installer
[00:36:06] <boyd> estibi: I believe you're ok in that situation. Gimme 5 mins and I will try it
[00:36:57] <nachox> estibi, you can still login as root in case there is an emergency, i believe there is a reference to that in the documentation
[00:37:13] <elektronkind> pwnguin: yeah, I think the installer will present only interfaces that are "up" ... but the devices for ones that don't have a link up are there and can be manually configured... the installer in its current (read: ancient) incarnation is a bit bull-headed.
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[00:43:00] <nachox> boyd, you're actually setting a root role and starting in single-user milestone? :P
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[00:45:41] <estibi> :)
[00:46:15] <nachox> estibi, http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0206/819-5150.pdf page 30
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[00:51:25] <estibi> nachox: thx
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[00:53:15] <boyd> nachox: No, I made root a role and the screwed with vfstab. Unfortunately now the box won't give me any prompt at all. :(
[00:53:34] * boyd waits for boot net -s
[00:53:44] <nachox> lol
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[00:55:52] <nachox> boyd, well, boot -s should both solve your problem and test the theory in that blueprint :)
[00:57:54] <nachox> btw, why were you playing with vfstab?
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[00:58:49] <estibi> nachox: becouse filesystem/local:default will fail
[00:59:07] <nachox> huh?
[00:59:59] <estibi> when svc:/system/filesystem/local:default fails you have to log as root
[01:01:57] <nachox> ohh, he created a situation in which the system would fall back to single user mode
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[01:05:08] <boyd> nachox: Nah, it's the root fs line that I screwed with :)
[01:05:34] <boyd> nachox: I way playing with it just to test the root as role thing
[01:06:04] <boyd> It's a semi-disposable box
[01:06:18] <nachox> boyd, how would you solve that in sparc? in x86 grub has a mantainance option in which you boot to a ramdisk with some tools, in sparc you need the cds?
[01:06:34] <boyd> or a net boot server
[01:07:14] <nachox> well, or that
[01:07:15] <sommerfeld> or another boot environment
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[01:07:23] <nachox> or that :)
[01:08:10] <nachox> but there is nothing like what we have with grub right?
[01:09:08] <movement> http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/solaris_xen_update
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[01:10:18] <RobG> Looks like I'm going to be in the Bay Area Aug 20 & 21, If you are in the area I'm offering beer to anyone who has helped me out ;-)
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[01:19:02] <nachox> nice xen putback
[01:19:13] <nachox> well code drop
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[01:47:46] <nachox> cool i reported a bug in the documentation the day before yesterday and it is already fixed
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[02:01:14] <Plouj> hi
[02:01:29] <Plouj> where can I read up on something that will help me understand the names in /dev/dsk/?
[02:02:07] <wesolows> sd(7D)
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[02:08:25] <Tempt> Plouj: Or we could give you the quick explanation
[02:08:29] <nachox> there is http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5093 too
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[02:09:01] <Plouj> wesolows: what does that mean?
[02:09:21] <nachox> Plouj, the man page of sd section 7D
[02:09:39] <Plouj> I guess I don't have it
[02:10:23] <nachox> Plouj, http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sd+7D
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[02:16:07] <Tempt> Ag man, here's the way it goes
[02:16:12] <Tempt>  /dev/dsk is the block device
[02:16:17] <Tempt>  /dev/rdsk is the raw device
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[02:16:42] <Tempt> If you have an entry for (say) c1t0d0s1, that means Controller 1, Target 0, LUN 0, slice 1
[02:16:58] <Plouj> humm
[02:17:06] <Plouj> I don't know what target and lun mean
[02:17:21] <Plouj> I've never really used SCSI disks
[02:17:34] <Tempt> Controller being the number assigned to the particular HBA, the Target being the SCSI ID or WWN of the disk, the LUN being the Logical Unit Number (You'll only see this on storage arrays, SANs, some tape libraries etc)
[02:17:37] <Tempt> and the slice is ... the slice.
[02:20:11] <Plouj> what's the difference between a slice and a partition?
[02:20:20] <Plouj> and c0d0s0 vs c0d0p0?
[02:20:48] <nachox> Plouj, partitions are an x86 thing
[02:21:11] <Plouj> well, I am running an x86 machine
[02:21:49] <Tempt> With IDE disks, you don't get a LUN entry.
[02:21:50] <nachox> Plouj, well, using fdisk you create x86 partitions, using format you label a disk, create slices inside a solaris partition
[02:21:51] <sommerfeld> partitions are described by the MBR and related structures and manipulated by fdisk
[02:22:06] <sommerfeld> slices are described by either sun disk labels or EFI GPT labels
[02:22:16] <sommerfeld> you can put a sun disk label inside a partition
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[02:24:07] <nachox> Plouj, after slicing the solaris partition you will treat it as if it were a partition inside solaris, that means every slice gets can have it's filesystem
[02:25:33] <nachox> how many of the latest 10 solaris 10 security warnings were not kerberos related? :)
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[02:28:51] <Plouj> humm
[02:29:06] <Plouj> I thought I partitioned the disk into two parts, but I see *p0-p4
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[02:43:26] <jmcp> Plouj: that's a dos-style partition, not the Sun vtoc
[02:44:02] <Plouj> ok
[02:44:16] <Plouj> I guess I should have made the whole disk into a solaris partition
[02:45:07] <boyd> You always see p0-p4, no matter how many parts there actually are
[02:45:32] <Plouj> is it because there is a max of 4 primary partitions?
[02:45:37] <boyd> yep
[02:45:41] <Plouj> heh
[02:45:48] <boyd> and p0 == all the disk
[02:45:56] <Plouj> oh
[02:46:24] <boyd> (including mbr etc)
[02:46:28] <nachox> also s2 means the whole solaris partition
[02:47:00] * boyd must not mention EFI
[02:47:19] <jmcp> boyd: sshhhh
[02:47:45] <nachox> well, except in EFI where s2 means... nothing special
[02:47:48] * dlg hug sun
[02:48:01] <boyd> nachox: And then the p thing doesn't apply
[02:48:08] <jmcp> dlg: should I feel the love now?
[02:48:17] <dlg> some love
[02:48:34] <dlg> suns a big company, im only hugging a bit of it
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[02:49:42] <boyd> There are support groups for people with your problem
[02:49:51] <dlg> whats my problem?
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[02:51:03] <boyd> Hugging certain bits
[02:51:18] <dlg> well, other bits of sun are still arseholes
[02:51:50] <boyd> hey jmcp Do you know if there is any work going on to make sd work with > 2TB?
[02:52:10] <dlg> sd does work >2TB, just not on 32bit kernels
[02:52:37] <boyd> Interesting. I'm looking at old docs then
[02:52:38] <jmcp> boyd: no idea, sorry
[02:52:50] <boyd> Do you use sd with SAS?
[02:53:09] <jmcp> yes
[02:54:18] <nachox> i think i saw the documentation stating sd didnt support disks bigger than 2tbs yesterday in solaris 10
[02:54:55] <boyd> Hmm... Seems that dlg is right as of 1/06: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5093/6mkisoq1m?a=view
[02:56:00] <dlg> nachox: a lot of devices dont understand the bigger scsi commands
[02:56:06] <dlg> sd issues them just fine though
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[03:02:27] <nachox> cant find the place i read that but i'm sure i did
[03:03:07] <boyd> This adjacent page: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5093/6mkisoq1n?a=view says the opposite of the one before it :(
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[03:07:59] <nachox> boyd, zfs with lots of small disks? :)
[03:08:32] <boyd> Maybe that's the real reason for ZFS after all
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[03:32:11] <Tempt> It'll be years before disks bigger than 2Tb hit the market.
[03:32:19] <Tempt> They already pushed things pretty hard to get 1Tb.
[03:32:24] <boyd> Uh huh.
[03:32:45] <elektronkind> well, they might not be "disks" in the way we know mechanical disk drives today
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[03:33:41] <Tempt> Magic storage device of doom.
[03:34:01] <Tempt> Opens a trans-dimension portal to a giant repository to holographic uber-storage.
[03:36:11] * boyd can't count how many times he's heard "they won't be able to get any more storage"
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[03:40:08] <nachox> Tempt, give it 3 more years
[03:40:32] <g4lt-U60> boyd, what, out of storage? ;P
[03:41:21] <boyd> Heh
[03:42:48] <nachox> there is never enough storage!
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[03:43:24] <boyd> Buy new computer. Person asks "How much disk space do you want?" Correct answer: "ALL of it"
[03:45:09] <nachox> "do you really need all that porn" (salesman loses job)
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[03:48:45] <jmcp> duh, of course I do :)
[03:50:04] <nachox> yeah but in a raid10?!
[03:50:16] <dlg> duh, yeah
[03:50:17] * jmcp shrugs
[03:50:44] <boyd> "I don't wanna be waiting around for my fast-forwards :) Or lose my data!"
[04:03:05] <Plouj> humm
[04:03:32] <Plouj> I have 3 vmware disks in this vmachine but I can't identify which of the links are for which of the three disks in /dev/dsk
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[04:04:09] <Plouj> http://pastebin.ca/625619 I don't see any c2* nor *d2*
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[04:05:55] <nachox> Plouj, format should list the disks
[04:06:05] <Plouj> ooh
[04:06:11] <Plouj> cool
[04:06:30] <Plouj> weird scheme
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[04:06:41] <Plouj> c0d0 c0d1 c1d1
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[04:06:54] <jmcp> that's not a scsi-attached set of disks, that's ATA-attached
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[04:07:05] <Plouj> but then again I'm not sure how vmware treats disks
[04:07:16] <Plouj> I just didn't expect them to be on different controllers
[04:07:32] <boyd> c0 == primary c1 == secondary d0 == master d1 == slave in old language IIRC
[04:08:09] <Plouj> ok
[04:08:15] <Plouj> how does it work for SATA?
[04:08:20] <Plouj> it doesn'thave master/slave
[04:08:39] <jmcp> Plouj: with SATA running in legacy mode you'll see ATA-like targets
[04:08:59] <Plouj> does legacy mean slow?
[04:09:11] <Plouj> :)
[04:09:19] <jmcp> not necessarily
[04:09:20] <nachox> no
[04:09:26] <jmcp> legacy means "using the ATA system"
[04:09:29] <jmcp> rather than native SATA
[04:09:47] <nachox> it means there is no driver for my sata crap but i understand ata commands too, i'm cool
[04:10:10] <boyd> legacy won't get you into the coolest clubs though :)
[04:10:17] <Plouj> I see
[04:10:42] <boyd> Anyone seen this? : http://enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com/2007/07/18/opensolaris-users-group-to-ian-murdock-sun-youre-missing-the-point/
[04:11:59] <nachox> i am reading now
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[04:12:16] <jmcp> boyd: typical "linux is the only OS worth using" attitude
[04:12:31] <boyd> I'm not getting that from what I've read so far
[04:13:30] * Plouj got bored
[04:13:35] <Plouj> humm, anyways
[04:13:53] <Plouj> I guess I need to create another virtual disk for proper testing
[04:13:58] <Plouj> cuz I can't use the one root is on
[04:14:40] <boyd> jmcp: Maybe a little more so toward the end...
[04:14:53] * boyd feels tired when he reads indiana-discuss
[04:15:18] * jmcp reads the SCSI SAM fs proposal on storage-discuss, and groans
[04:15:27] <boyd> ?
[04:15:30] * boyd looks
[04:16:38] * Plouj wonders why he got into a singler user mode after typing 'shutdown'
[04:16:51] <boyd> because he didn't read the man page?
[04:17:20] <jmcp> boyd: I've just thrown a rock at him
[04:17:46] <boyd> I don't see it at the forum yet... over to pipermail
[04:18:24] <Plouj> `shutdown -h now` illegal option -- h?
[04:18:33] <jmcp> Plouj: not all the world is linux
[04:18:34] * Plouj tries `shutdown h now`
[04:18:42] <Plouj> jmcp: yeah, but the manual says -h
[04:18:54] <jmcp> not my version of it
[04:19:00] <alanc> not the manual for /usr/sbin/shutdown
[04:19:05] * Plouj is using nexenta
[04:19:24] <alanc> ah
[04:19:41] <boyd> jmcp: bang!
[04:20:06] <boyd> It does make that info easier to find from the command line
[04:20:15] <jmcp> true, but you don't need a new pseudo-fs to do so
[04:20:21] <jmcp> you could write a command line util to do that
[04:20:35] <jmcp> oh, funny ... I've done something like that myself
[04:20:40] <boyd> :)
[04:20:59] <boyd> I mush say that I'm not in general opposed to the exposure of things through the FS
[04:21:15] <jmcp> boyd: true, true
[04:21:31] <jmcp> but I'm very much opposed to being able to run  "echo reset > /proc/...."
[04:21:41] <jmcp> let alone that he's proposing to make that exportable via nfs
[04:21:43] <jmcp> ffs
[04:22:09] <boyd> A big taste of the plan9 pie, by the sound
[04:22:10] <jmcp> oh, and he's clearly forgotten to think about whether we're already doing this with, eg, a command line util (cfgadm springs to mind)
[04:22:40] <nachox> jmcp, ndd -sed /dev/self poweroff=true
[04:22:46] <nachox> :P
[04:22:54] * Plouj gets bored of waiting
[04:22:59] * boyd lunches
[04:23:04] <jmcp> nachox: get stuffed :-)
[04:23:07] <jmcp> sory
[04:23:09] <jmcp> sorry, too
[04:23:16] <jmcp> having a cold and stressful day so far
[04:23:20] <Plouj> at least varius Linux based OSes show that they are doing so long for a shutdown ;P
[04:23:52] <jmcp> Plouj: how much do you *really* need to know is going on when shutdown occurs?
[04:24:07] <Plouj> I just want to know that it's doing something
[04:24:14] <Plouj> and not just being hung
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[04:24:27] <jmcp> don't you trust that it's been engineered properly rather than kludged together?
[04:24:34] <richlowe> jmcp: never!
[04:24:37] <nachox> trust noone
[04:24:45] <Plouj> jmcp: trust software?
[04:24:52] <Plouj> jmcp: nope
[04:24:55] <jmcp> head > desk
[04:25:09] <nachox> hey richlowe
[04:25:29] <nachox> jmcp, leave the desk alone, it did nothing to you
[04:25:53] <Plouj> humm, vmware can only have 3 ide drives...
[04:26:22] <Plouj> aah, and it actually shows IDE 0:0, 0:1, etc
[04:27:08] <Plouj> I guess I'll just have to see how it looks like with SATA disks later on
[04:28:03] <jmcp> Plouj: you're running this inside vmware.... so how can you genuinely expect to see the real Solaris device handling stuff from within an emulated system?
[04:28:29] <Plouj> jmcp: is it really too much to ask?
[04:29:00] <jmcp> gah
[04:29:01] <jmcp> think about it
[04:29:14] <Plouj> I tried, but I don't see the problem
[04:29:15] <boyd> jmcp: Deep breaths
[04:29:18] <jmcp> boyd: yeah
[04:29:25] <jmcp> I'll let somebody else answer
[04:29:32] * boyd chews
[04:30:13] <timeless> hrm
[04:30:17] <timeless> jmcp?
[04:30:28] <timeless> you've had access to bugster at times, right?
[04:30:44] <timeless> does bugster generally give complete lists of bugs matching a query?
[04:30:57] <timeless> or does it give a windowed view (e.g. not more than 100 bugs at a time)
[04:30:58] <jmcp> timeless: yes
[04:31:03] <jmcp> complete list
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[04:32:29] <Plouj> humm
[04:32:59] <Plouj> so, I put 3 disks in a plain pool, but how can I use those same disks for a raidz array now?
[04:33:48] <Plouj> I was told that I can create a plain pool (raid0) and raidz out of the same three disks
[04:34:08] <palowoda> You shouldn't put your disks in water they don't work well.
[04:34:08] <boyd> You mean at the same time?
[04:34:28] <richlowe> well, if they're constructed of slices rather than the full disks, and there's other unused slices...
[04:34:47] <boyd> yes, my question wasn't rhetorical
[04:35:39] <Plouj> boyd: well, I guess, in a way
[04:35:50] <Plouj> my goal was to create a raid0 and a raidz on three disks
[04:36:25] <Plouj> and I don't want to be restricted to some set size for either array
[04:36:41] <Plouj> I won't use the raid0 array most of the time so it shouldn't take up much space, most of the time
[04:36:57] <Plouj> but sometimes it would need to be quite large too
[04:36:58] <boyd> That last requirement means the answer is "you can't"
[04:38:00] <Plouj> so the only way is to actually slice the disks into static slices, right?
[04:38:25] <Plouj> say I slice a 4GB disk into 3GB/1GB parts and use the smaller slices for raid0
[04:38:41] <Plouj> that means my raid0 array won't be every larger than 3GB?
[04:38:50] <nachox> ?
[04:38:59] <Plouj> s/be every/be ever/
[04:39:03] <boyd> Plouj: sounds right
[04:39:12] <Plouj> crap
[04:39:18] <nachox> you could add more 1gb slices if you have more disks
[04:39:25] <Plouj> I only have 3 disks
[04:39:34] <Plouj> I thought ZFS could do magic
[04:39:57] <boyd> It can, just not that particular magic :)
[04:40:16] <Plouj> but if it won't let me be flexible with raid arrays so that my space isn't wasted, I might as well use some Linux/BSD raid on the NAS
[04:40:17] <boyd> you could make a raid0 pool and set copies > 1 for some filesystems
[04:40:46] <Plouj> boyd: what are copies?
[04:41:27] <boyd> man zfs search for "copies"
[04:42:26] <Plouj> so you mean I could have some kind of redundancy on the raid0 pool?
[04:42:31] * boyd nods
[04:42:32] <nachox> yes
[04:43:02] <Plouj> but will it be smart enough to distribute those copies on different disks such that a failure of one won't destroy all the data anyways?
[04:43:11] <boyd> Plouj: http://blogs.sun.com/relling/entry/zfs_copies_and_data_protection
[04:43:57] <nachox> zfs does that kind of magic
[04:44:06] <boyd> :)
[04:45:34] <nachox> who mentioned the SCSI SAM fs?
[04:45:41] <boyd> nachox: jmcp
[04:45:43] <nachox> that's just ugly
[04:46:05] <boyd> He said as much in his response
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[04:48:38] <jmcp> gday hile_
[04:49:18] * boyd is a little scared. A post in arc-discuss seems to imply that the CIFS people are gonna add new stuff to pax and it's archive format (and maybe tar as well).
[04:50:38] <timeless> are they going to use the modern tar extensions to do it
[04:50:47] <timeless> or the old ones to annoy what's his name
[04:50:52] <jmcp> timeless: nope, they're going to use schilly's
[04:50:56] * jmcp trolls
[04:50:59] <boyd> Indeed, that's my question
[04:51:02] <nachox> haha
[04:51:34] <timeless> and why do they need extensions?
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[04:51:46] <boyd> jmcp: Actually, schily just wants people to use the extensions that POSIX allows. Actually, I suppose that since pax is covered by POSIX they may not have any choice
[04:52:02] <timeless> other than streams, what features are in CIFS that can't be expressed already in ZFS archives?
[04:52:14] <timeless> (or rather, can ZFS really not represent streams?)
[04:52:26] <nachox> ZFS archives?
[04:52:33] <boyd> timeless: They are adding some file attributes that aren't anywhere else apparently. They seem to be touching about 25% of the commands in /usr/bin
[04:52:46] * timeless boggles
[04:52:54] <timeless> so much for conservative
[04:53:02] <boyd> timeless: I agree with nachox what's a zfs archive?
[04:53:21] <boyd> and I think streams can easily be done with extended attributes
[04:53:24] <timeless> something that can preserve all bits describably by a zfs volume
[04:53:30] <nachox> the output of zfs send? :)
[04:53:38] <boyd> Oh, is that what you mean.
[04:53:49] <boyd> Well, maybe... but you can't extract 1 file from one of them
[04:54:09] <timeless> i suppose, put another way
[04:54:26] <timeless> i assume that you hae a tar method for zfs which can faithfully reproduce zfs content
[04:54:36] <timeless> w/o losing any attributes
[04:54:50] <boyd> there is only zfs send | zfs recv but they are not tar
[04:55:03] <boyd> and don't allow per-file access to the acrhive
[04:55:16] <timeless> so tar can't faithfully rerpoduce all attributes from a zfs volume?
[04:55:27] <timeless> bah, ignorie my typos
[04:55:38] <boyd> It can right now, but it can't for the new attributes
[04:55:57] <boyd> (and it doesn't include zfs metadata, like snapshots and properties)
[04:56:07] * timeless ponders
[04:56:34] * timeless isn't quite sure how windows volume shadow copies are reflected elsewhere
[04:56:43] <timeless> or whatever those things are called
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[04:56:52] <nachox> the streams?
[04:56:57] <boyd> Dunno... but it seems like a natural fit for snapshots
[04:57:13] <timeless> streams are an ntfs5 thing
[04:57:22] <timeless> or was it 4?
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[04:57:25] <boyd> at least 4
[04:57:32] <timeless> the volume shadow stuff is 6 i think
[04:57:41] <timeless> yeah sorry, 5 was compression/encryption
[04:57:50] <boyd> but extended attributes on solaris are a superset of streams functionality
[04:58:12] <boyd> (but not of API, obv)
[04:58:17] <timeless> i think actually streams were in 3.5 since it was always a reqquirement for services for macintosh, but i'd have to go find a reference about when that was supported
[04:58:56] <timeless> well, can tar at least archive zfs acls?
[04:58:59] <boyd> They were definitely part of Win NT4.0. dunno how much before that
[04:59:37] <boyd> timeless: yes, but it extends the tar format in non-POSIX compliant ways, when there is a standardised format extension mechanism
[04:59:56] <timeless> boyd: i've read the list :)
[05:00:11] <boyd> :)
[05:00:26] <timeless> although the list iirc didn't explain exactly what bits were archived in old style
[05:00:29] <nachox> cant star represent zfs acls in a posix compliant way? i'm surprised
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[05:00:49] <richlowe> oh my.
[05:01:08] <timeless> 25% eh..
[05:01:11] <boyd> nachox: I'm not sure if it does yet.
[05:01:23] <boyd> timeless: That number *was* rhetorical
[05:01:25] * timeless considers ls /usr/bin
[05:01:38] <boyd> chmod,  ls, etc
[05:01:53] <boyd> it includes ls swtiches that take parameters <shudder/>
[05:01:57] <timeless> gnome-accessibility-keyboard-properties
[05:02:03] <timeless> grumble
[05:02:14] <timeless> /usr/bin has too much junk
[05:02:48] <boyd> There's more where that came from
[05:02:49] <richlowe> the gnome folks aren't into the whole brevity thing.
[05:03:06] <timeless> /usr/bin/sound-properties and /usr/bin/gnome-thumbnail-font ..
[05:03:08] <richlowe> and for some reason, many things that I'd think would be in /usr/lib (and preferably a subdir thereof), aren't.
[05:03:11] <boyd> I'm in two minds... is gakp better?
[05:03:17] <timeless> i'd rather a subdir
[05:03:20] <richlowe> exactly, /usr/bin is intended be for things you'd directly invoke.
[05:03:26] <timeless> /usr/gnome/bin/....
[05:03:34] <richlowe> which they, well, aren't, in many cases.
[05:03:42] <boyd> This territory seems very familiar
[05:03:43] <timeless> you're really going to invoke gnome-thumbnail-font ?
[05:03:55] <boyd> Every day :)
[05:04:02] <timeless> ...
[05:04:20] * nachox thinks gnome stuff should actually go in /usr/gnome/bin and be placed near the end of the PATH if anywhere
[05:04:22] <timeless> i'm only complaining because i expect multiple columns from ls output
[05:04:24] <timeless> and i didn't get it
[05:04:43] <timeless> what in the world is /usr/bin/create-branching-keyboard ??
[05:05:05] <boyd> Who knows... most of those damn things have no man page... that's another thing
[05:05:12] <timeless> timeless@swift:~% man desktop-file-validate
[05:05:12] <timeless> No manual entry for desktop-file-validate.
[05:05:15] <timeless> speak of the ...
[05:05:17] <LeftWing> create-branching-keyboard(1)  !
[05:05:40] <boyd> Ok, bad example :)
[05:05:57] <timeless> hey, i gave an example :)
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[05:06:25] <MacStore> Hey
[05:06:27] <timeless> sad thing is, i've actually met someone who *recently* was working w/ branching
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[05:06:42] <timeless> but, why in the world is that a critical must be in path and must be in /usr/bin ?!
[05:06:51] <nachox> gnome stuff really needs documentation
[05:06:52] <edwardocallagha> can't be here for long
[05:07:08] <timeless> gnome stuff really needs to get out of /usr/bin
[05:07:10] <edwardocallagha> hows people?
[05:07:21] <boyd> timeless: currently policy seems to be to move everything into /usr/bin that doesn't bump into something else on the way
[05:07:25] <boyd> hey ed
[05:07:45] <jamesd_> nachox i can't find where gnome is installed on any of my work primepower boxes....   ;-)
[05:07:50] <timeless> boyd: um
[05:08:01] <timeless> doesn't sun have a policy about maintaining commands forever?
[05:08:22] <timeless> what happens when gnome2.(x+3) decides to rename or drop one of these apps?
[05:08:39] <nachox> it's funny, suns documentation advices to avoid dirs with too many files near the begining of the PATH and they are stuffing everything in /usr/bin?
[05:08:40] <edwardocallagha> boyd:Hey boyd says student standing in a Mac store using there DSL
[05:08:41] <Plouj> humm
[05:08:45] <jamesd_> timeless, my guess is that they live on in /usr/gnome2
[05:09:03] <boyd> There's an ARC case... something like "serendipitous discovery" basically put all the gnu tools in /usr/bin that doesn't overwrite something else and put all the rest in /usr/gnu
[05:09:08] <Plouj> I wonder how copies actually compares to raidz in terms of recoverability
[05:09:09] <edwardocallagha> jamesd_:Hey hows things ?
[05:09:10] <boyd> hehe edwardocallagha nice
[05:09:41] <jamesd_> awesome,  work is fun.. it will be even better after the 27th when my first check is supposed to be mailed
[05:10:01] <nachox> jamesd_, that's because all those fujitsu gear is slow and cant handle gnome's impressive graphics ;)
[05:10:08] <boyd> Plouj: shame that blog post doesn't include MTTDL for non-mirror copies>1
[05:10:09] <timeless> btw, in case anyone's curious, i officially work on "Mozilla based browser for maemo"
[05:10:16] <edwardocallagha> I'll just borrow there terminal
[05:10:25] <jamesd_> Plouj, if the entire pool is gone if the whole drive dies
[05:10:28] <boyd> timeless: I'm none the wiser
[05:10:32] <timeless> (yes, our marketing is that bad)
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[05:10:52] <boyd> jamesd_: We're talking about a 3 disk pool with copies>1
[05:10:53] <Plouj> jamesd_: English please :)
[05:11:02] <jamesd_> nachox, i wouoldn't expect the 2.1ghz  sparc64V's to be that slow, though the  32GB of ram and  12 cpus may be a bit over taxed by  gnomes bloat.
[05:11:05] <boyd> What's maemo
[05:11:33] <Plouj> boyd: I like the idea of being able to define 2 or 3 copies for some data but not other
[05:11:35] <timeless> good question
[05:11:40] <timeless> i don't have a good answer :)
[05:11:53] <boyd> Heh.. .something with a browser, presumbaby :)
[05:12:09] <richlowe> wow, the marketing really is bad, huh? :)
[05:12:14] <timeless> it's nokia's platform for their n800 internet tablet
[05:12:24] <timeless> richlowe: yes
[05:12:43] <Plouj> but as the blog says, the success of sperating copies to different disks depends on remaining size, which means that when I start running out of it, at least some of my data will be in trouble
[05:13:27] <timeless> i thought if you ran out of space you couldn't make files
[05:13:30] <Plouj> and I don't know of how much data runs the risk of being copied to the same disk once I approach the physical limit
[05:13:41] * timeless kinda assumed a copies=N>1 would be a requirement on all new files
[05:13:47] <timeless> and not simply a request/recommendation
[05:13:59] <Plouj> timeless: maybe you are right, and then I'll be in a situation as safe as raid1 with 2 or 3 disks
[05:14:00] <jamesd_> timeless, if 1 drive is  100% full... there may not be a duplicate or triplicate block being written
[05:14:40] <timeless> jamesd: err
[05:14:51] <timeless> in the 1 drive case w/ copies=2 i get 2 copies on the 1 drive
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[05:14:58] <Plouj> timeless: what do you mean by "new files"?
[05:15:11] <timeless> why shouldn't the 1 full drive + 1 not full drive w/ copies=2 give me 2 copies on the 1 not full drive?
[05:15:14] <boyd> cd /
[05:15:17] <boyd> heh oops
[05:15:20] <nachox> jamesd_, those boxes are worth basically a year of work right?
[05:15:27] <timeless> Using Copies
[05:15:32] <timeless> The copies property works for all new writes, so I recommend that you set that policy when you create the file system or immediately after you create a zpool.
[05:15:37] <timeless> from the blog
[05:15:44] <Plouj> timeless: yeah, I got that already, thanks :)
[05:15:49] <Plouj> (I got it from teh blog)
[05:16:13] * boyd teaches
[05:16:14] <edwardocallagha> this mac store is good, no one is compliing about my terminal usage yet : ~)
[05:16:15] <timeless> then why ask?
[05:16:21] <Plouj> timeless: I didn't know what you meant
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[05:16:22] <jamesd_> nachox, no idea...  but they are very fast.. and cost about 2.5 times what a simular  sun box would cost, but on the other hand fujitsu didn't have the  usparcIII l2 cache problem, that sun wouldn't own up too.
[05:16:30] <boyd> edwardocallagha: I think they try to do as little as possible :)
[05:16:50] <timeless> if you're not preventing another customer from using at least one mac
[05:16:54] <timeless> why shouldn they care?
[05:17:04] <boyd> I agree
[05:17:10] <timeless> you're an ad for how happy customers are to use their products
[05:17:25] <boyd> some people apparetnly want all that "can I help you with something" crap
[05:17:35] <timeless> eep
[05:17:43] <edwardocallagha> great i got my coolstack installed :D from a mac store in less then 2min !
[05:17:49] <boyd> Ha!
[05:17:50] <timeless> my firefox has upgraded to some new features that are guaranteed to annoy me
[05:17:54] <boyd> Got your root pw?
[05:17:58] <nachox> jamesd_, i really want your job now, would you mind passing it along if you suffered an accident? ;)
[05:18:42] <edwardocallagha> boyd:No dclarke typo'ed the wrong root pass or somthing ?
[05:18:48] <edwardocallagha> Or forgot to change it
[05:18:58] <edwardocallagha> Its all fix'ed up now
[05:19:14] <edwardocallagha> look out for moonshine.opn4.org
[05:19:15] <jamesd_> nachox, did i mention that lunch is catered everyday, and they provide free starbucks coffee ( no not expresso)  and  free soda's
[05:19:54] <Plouj> heh, now the other question is how easy is data recovery even if I have copies>=1 and one of my pool (raid0) drives fails
[05:19:57] <edwardocallagha> jamesd_:Get yourself a load of rocky road then ;)
[05:21:01] <edwardocallagha> Oh I better go, I did use there terminal and I know they don't like that kind of thing because they don't have a clue what your doing
[05:21:16] <jamesd_> there is a limited selection... a main corse meal, salad bar, and hot soup everyday.
[05:21:26] <edwardocallagha> Hopful i'll see you guys later tonight
[05:21:29] <timeless> edward: google: java+ssh site:duke.edu
[05:21:36] <timeless> that'll give you mindterm
[05:21:43] <timeless> no need for Terminal.app
[05:21:47] <edwardocallagha> jamesd_: :( no choc ?
[05:22:07] <timeless> it's not quite as pretty as Terminal.app, but it's hosted by the web browser :)
[05:22:18] <edwardocallagha> timeless:Its not my computer, i'm in a apple store
[05:22:35] <edwardocallagha> I am not going to run anything they don't own on this system
[05:22:41] <edwardocallagha> anyway
[05:22:47] <timeless> they own java
[05:22:56] <timeless> that's what i usuaully run at apple stores
[05:23:00] <timeless> (or bookstores for that matter)
[05:23:02] <edwardocallagha> See you guys later; have a good day
[05:23:13] <edwardocallagha> yea but there already is a terminal
[05:23:23] <edwardocallagha> ok, bye bye bye.. ;)
[05:23:27] <jamesd_> edwardocallagha, there is usually 2 -3 kinds of cookies on the salad bar... and choclate chip  is usually one
[05:23:48] <edwardocallagha> *edward likes cookies, ummm
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[05:24:12] <timeless> hrm, speaking of stuff...
[05:24:33] <timeless> how good is opensolaris at letting you try to recover a fried MMC?
[05:24:47] <nachox> jamesd_, i'll be applying for a new job soon, i hope i get as lucky as you did :)
[05:25:09] <timeless> that zfs_copies article mentions migrating from disk drives to flash disks and i've had a number of people complain about flash disk failure
[05:25:14] <jamesd_> good luck :-)
[05:25:18] <timeless> (many more than i've ever had w/ hdd)
[05:28:02] <rbrown_> so I did some major load testing today with our app on linux 2.6 vs solaris 10 :)
[05:28:35] <rbrown_> the results was very interesting
[05:29:03] <nachox> solaris crashed? :P
[05:31:05] <rbrown_> more like couldnt keep up but our developers are looking at the code to see why the solaris performance was so bad
[05:31:24] <rbrown_> so it looks like we will be staying on linux on hp for a while
[05:31:38] <palowoda> Wow that was informative.
[05:35:59] <nachox> now i'm jealous, why does stevel get to have an @opensolaris.org mail address and we dont? :)
[05:39:26] <jmcp> I've got one too
[05:41:16] <timeless> vanity email addresses :)
[05:42:44] <jmcp> rbrown_: so are your app developers using real tools to determine their perf issues, or are they sacrificing chickens?
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[05:58:32] <jamesd_> my developers are too busy writing there log files to /tmp and bitching that they can't get access to the log files after they are forced to reboot at the machine dies of no swap or ram availible. ;-)
[05:59:07] <jbk> just set a 100mb cap on /tmp :)
[05:59:38] <jamesd_> jbk the company  outlawed,  quotas.... its not fair to our users ;-) so they take the outage.
[06:00:13] <jbk> but it's not a quota :)
[06:00:25] <jbk> merely a mount option
[06:00:28] <bda> O_o
[06:00:32] <jamesd_> but as long as they pay me the little bucks i will reboot there machine and if they ask me to explain why the box went down, i will tell them why.. and i wont be blamed.
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[06:01:51] <jamesd_> jbk but how will the DBA's install oracle, it dumps  a nice 180MB in /tmp ;-)
[06:02:33] <rbrown_> jmcp, we did real world test with our app ie. deployed our apps on the hardware and blasted it with requests
[06:03:01] <rbrown_> we have our own benchmarking tools to give us solid numbers.
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[06:07:23] <dclarke> test
[06:08:01] <jamesd_> test passed
[06:08:40] <dclarke> response time is a factor
[06:08:47] <dclarke> and that was .. okay
[06:08:56] <dclarke> you're up late
[06:09:15] <jamesd_> yeah, i have a friend in london that may come on line tonight...
[06:09:16] <dclarke> you should get some sleep now that you're a regular working dude
[06:09:47] <jamesd_> its okay...  the coffee they serve at work is strong enough to keep me awake, even though i mix it 1/2 coffee. 1/2 milk
[06:10:39] <dclarke> I'm going to patch the blastwave web server
[06:10:43] <dclarke> this will take time
[06:10:49] <dclarke> 200 patches .. more or less
[06:11:40] <timeless> cool, sshfs
[06:11:41] <jamesd_> dclarke, well my teams big project is to patch  70 servers, about 50 of them production and they will require a reboot, and its going take  30 days to get approval to patch and reboot them...
[06:12:01] <dclarke> 30 days to get approval ?
[06:12:06] <dclarke> a month
[06:12:07] <jamesd_> and the outage can only occur on a weekend...
[06:12:08] <dclarke> wow
[06:12:09] <jamesd_> yes...
[06:12:16] <dclarke> well .. that makes sense
[06:12:25] <dclarke> I would only do that on a friday night
[06:12:37] <victor_> after the pub?
[06:13:24] <timeless> friday night in what time zone? alaska?
[06:13:47] <jamesd_> dclarke, its going to take a 5 of my team to get it done...  3 windows to do all the machines.
[06:15:53] <dclarke> that way you can deal with the stuff that goes wrong over the weekend
[06:16:49] <jamesd_> dclarke, yeah.. were starting with  dev/sit,  then moving to uat, bcp, and finally prod,  dont ask me to explain the  acronyms i only know  a couple of them.
[06:16:54] <dclarke> after ther pub? no no no
[06:16:54] <dclarke> with ALOM you do it .. from the pub
[06:16:54] <dclarke> it doesn't matter
[06:16:54] <dclarke> just start at 20:00 Hrs Friday with full backups
[06:16:54] <dclarke> I say .. patch in stages
[06:16:55] <dclarke> five servers a weekend for months
[06:16:57] <dclarke> Root password for system maintenance (control-d to bypass):
[06:16:59] <dclarke> ah geez .. bandwidth seems to have borked
[06:17:02] <dclarke> again
[06:17:14] <dclarke> prod = production
[06:17:18] <dclarke> that's my guess
[06:17:25] <dclarke> dev .. that means deviant
[06:19:36] <jamesd_> yes,  prob== production,  dev is development,  uat == user application testing i think,  bcp no idea yet...
[06:19:42] <jamesd_> er prod
[06:20:34] <dclarke> something really weird going on here
[06:21:00] <EchoBinary> ok - very new to solarisexpress - installed it, configured networking, followed driver install instructions for a RAID card rebooted.  i have 5 drives configured on the raid card as a simple passthrough (plan to use ZFS)
[06:21:11] <EchoBinary> how do i find the /dev/????  fo rthe drives?
[06:21:20] <EchoBinary> anyone point me in the right direction?
[06:21:22] <jamesd_> dclarke, are people are paranoid so everything goes through at least  3 stages ( unless they are in a big hurry)
[06:21:33] <jamesd_> echo  /dev/dsk  or /dev/rdsk
[06:21:44] <jamesd_> or in my works case,  /dev/vx/dsk
[06:22:03] <jamesd_> or for sun volume manager   /dev/md/dsk and /dev/md/rdsk
[06:22:48] <dclarke> bandwidth lag .. I think
[06:22:49] <dclarke> you're doing fine
[06:24:39] <EchoBinary> i have dsk and rdsk
[06:24:54] <EchoBinary> any way to find properties of them without mounting every one of them?
[06:25:05] <EchoBinary> they are raw drives - no partitions
[06:25:08] <rbrown_> EchoBinary, use format
[06:25:16] <EchoBinary> format?
[06:25:35] <jamesd_> EchoBinary, actually    format < /dev/null  is best.
[06:27:00] <EchoBinary> 2 avail disks- c1d0, c2t0d0
[06:27:27] <dclarke> I seem to have entered some strange hell in which the bandwidth to the server that I am working on .. has gone all buggered up
[06:27:27] <dclarke> so now I can not reach the LOM
[06:27:27] <dclarke> lovely ..
[06:27:32] <rbrown_> EchoBinary, what info are you looking for ?
[06:27:45] <jamesd_> you can then run format again without  /dev/null  and  pick one and  type "pa"  to enter partition mode,  and then  pr to print the partition table
[06:27:54] <timeless> echobinary: if you plan to use zfs then it shouldn't matter
[06:28:06] <timeless> jamesd: shouldn't he just use zpool blah?
[06:28:45] <dclarke> okay .. gotta run
[06:28:46] <jamesd_> timeless, not if he needs to find out the size to see if they need to be cut up to be better accomidated in zfs like  if one is  40G and the other is 60G
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[06:28:58] <timeless> ah
[06:29:05] <EchoBinary> i know the size, they are 5 identical disks
[06:29:08] <EchoBinary> 1TB apiece
[06:29:18] * timeless crosses that off the excuse list
[06:29:19] <EchoBinary> i need to find which device name they are on
[06:29:26] <timeless> echo: not really
[06:29:34] <jamesd_> then your real decision is  raidz or raidz2
[06:29:39] <timeless> zpool will sorta offer to do most of the magic for you
[06:29:44] <EchoBinary> see, i installed the driver for the controller card post install, so im worried the device linkings havent been created
[06:29:55] <EchoBinary> i know what i want
[06:29:58] <EchoBinary> raidz2
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[06:30:14] <rbrown_> EchoBinary, at openboot you can type show-disks or probe-{scsi,ide}
[06:30:57] <EchoBinary> pardon the stupid question - whats openboot?
[06:31:24] <jamesd_> its what  sparcs use to boot.. its like the bios
[06:31:39] <EchoBinary> this is on an x86
[06:32:04] <jamesd_> then disreguard  rbrown_'s advice...  format should tell you where your disks are
[06:32:18] <jamesd_>  0. c0t0d0 <HP36.4G-ST336706LC-HP03 cyl 25921 alt 2 hd 4 sec 686>
[06:32:18] <jamesd_>
[06:32:23] <EchoBinary> yeah
[06:32:29] <EchoBinary> i only see 2 disks
[06:32:36] <jamesd_> then run   devfsadm -v
[06:32:54] <rbrown_> You just said you only had two disks
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[06:33:04] <rbrown_> or did you just put these in ?
[06:33:07] <jamesd_> and rerun  format, if they dont show up...  your other driver is not working
[06:33:26] <jamesd_> rbrown_, he apparently just installed the driver for the controller.
[06:33:26] <EchoBinary> hmm must be the driver then?
[06:33:37] <EchoBinary> i rebooted after installing the driver
[06:34:06] <jamesd_> did you run devfsadm?  solaris only looks for new hardware if you tell it too...   looking for new drives on a box with 1000 drives is not a good thing to happen during reboots
[06:34:10] <EchoBinary> and the name of the device card came up during the startup
[06:34:22] <EchoBinary> i did run it
[06:34:34] <EchoBinary> it paused, then nothing, then i got the prompt back
[06:34:35] <rbrown_> EchoBinary, usually you need to a reboot -- -r or touch /reconfigure or run devfsadm
[06:34:46] <EchoBinary> ran format after that - and still two drives
[06:35:09] <jamesd_> look in prtconf to see if it lists your new driver  as being used
[06:35:28] <rbrown_> this is why you should read the HCL
[06:35:39] <rbrown_> too see ifthe crap your putting in your system is even supported
[06:35:41] <EchoBinary> i did - not listed
[06:35:44] <rbrown_> but disks should just work
[06:36:01] <EchoBinary> however the vendor (Areca) depeased a driver, and it says it was installed
[06:36:06] <EchoBinary> repeaqsed*
[06:36:07] <EchoBinary> damnit
[06:36:10] <EchoBinary> released
[06:36:54] <EchoBinary> /etc/prtconf is a binary file?
[06:37:00] <jamesd_> EchoBinary, modinfo  | less will list drivers that are loaded into the system
[06:37:05] <EchoBinary> ok
[06:37:20] <jamesd_> EchoBinary, /usr/sbin/prtconf
[06:38:23] <rbrown_> his module wont get loaded unless its called, and if it did his drive would show up in format its a lost hope
[06:38:28] <rbrown_> your shit isnt supported
[06:39:50] <jamesd_> or the driver is installed wrong...  or built wrong
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[06:40:49] <EchoBinary> i followed the readme in there:     ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Solaris/DRIVER/Solaris10/1.20.00.13-60920
[06:41:02] <EchoBinary> for already installed solaris systems at the bottom
[06:41:31] <dlg> mmmareca
[06:42:34] <rbrown_> are you running solaris 10 or opensolaris?
[06:42:47] <rbrown_> that could be a problem too
[06:43:16] <EchoBinary> solaris express developer edition
[06:43:43] <EchoBinary> 05/07  ?
[06:43:48] <rbrown_> yeah this is a driver for 10, that could be your problem
[06:43:52] <EchoBinary> ahh
[06:43:55] <EchoBinary> hmm
[06:43:59] <rbrown_> Solaris Express isnt Solaris 10
[06:44:14] <rbrown_> so it may or may not work depending on how the driver was coded
[06:44:32] <EchoBinary> but heres the thing
[06:44:35] <EchoBinary> when i rebooted
[06:45:01] <EchoBinary> you know how in linux or bsd there is a lot of system related text that scrolls by - init stuff?
[06:45:09] <EchoBinary> the areca was in all that
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[06:45:16] <EchoBinary> first thing that came up
[06:45:35] <EchoBinary> can i see that stuff somewhere? is there a log of the startup text?
[06:45:50] <rbrown_> /var/log/messages or dmesg
[06:45:55] <pl0nk> should be in syslog
[06:46:10] <pl0nk> or syslogd records it
[06:46:21] <pl0nk> dmesg does nothing anymore
[06:46:39] <pl0nk> it used to be real years ago ... now it is just a dumb script
[06:46:39] <rbrown_> since when ?
[06:46:51] <rbrown_> dmesg shows boot messages
[06:46:53] <pl0nk> since .. a while now .. a year ?
[06:46:54] <rbrown_> that will neve change
[06:47:05] <pl0nk> dmesg just runs tail
[06:47:16] <pl0nk> it does not really get diagnostic data
[06:47:54] <pl0nk> NAME
[06:47:57] <pl0nk>      dmesg - collect system diagnostic messages to form error log
[06:47:57] <rbrown_> EchoBinary, I actually ment /var/adm/messages instead of log
[06:48:04] <pl0nk> that was in the Solaris 8 days
[06:48:06] <EchoBinary> ahh
[06:49:08] <pl0nk> ls /var/adm/me*
[06:49:26] <EchoBinary> here we go
[06:49:28] <EchoBinary> i found it
[06:49:33] <EchoBinary> let me get it into pastebin
[06:49:46] <pl0nk> oh no
[06:49:51] <pl0nk> please use rafb.net
[06:49:56] <pl0nk> its less noisey
[06:50:01] <pl0nk> less javascript
[06:50:40] <pl0nk> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
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[06:53:23] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/tNN7NE12.html
[06:54:16] <pl0nk> tesla .. good name
[06:54:28] <EchoBinary> thanks :)
[06:54:37] <pl0nk> I don't see any errors
[06:54:38] <EchoBinary> so named because tesla had an excellent memory
[06:54:45] <EchoBinary> hence - fileserver
[06:54:53] <pl0nk> hrmmm ...
[06:55:07] <EchoBinary> so the card seems to be working, yes?
[06:55:08] <pl0nk> perhaps alexandria would have been better
[06:55:13] <EchoBinary> LOL
[06:55:16] <EchoBinary> library of?
[06:55:16] <pl0nk> but .. it was asacked and burned to the ground
[06:55:39] <EchoBinary> good point, except that goes against my theme of scientist and philosopher names
[06:55:48] <pl0nk> Jul 19 19:02:47 tesla arcmsr: [ID 967371 kern.notice] arcmsr0:Areca SATA Host Adapter RAID Controller (RAID6 capable)
[06:56:00] <pl0nk> hrmm ... looks fine
[06:56:03] <EchoBinary> yeah
[06:56:16] <pl0nk> what do we have in prtconf and in the module list ?
[06:56:25] <pl0nk> can you post the results to modinfo
[06:56:36] <EchoBinary> i didnt see it in modinfo or prtconf
[06:56:43] <pl0nk> no ?
[06:56:44] <EchoBinary> i grep for Areca
[06:56:48] <pl0nk> that's not good
[06:56:49] <EchoBinary> nope
[06:56:56] <EchoBinary> hmm
[06:56:57] <pl0nk> modinfo | grep arc
[06:57:01] <EchoBinary> ok
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[06:57:08] <rbrown_> its probably under a different symbil
[06:57:37] <pl0nk> thats what I'm thinking
[06:57:55] <rbrown_> do you have a old path_to_inst ?
[06:58:04] <rbrown_> compare it to the current one
[06:58:07] <rbrown_> or check the last entries
[06:58:14] <pl0nk> this message seems to suggest that : ul 19 19:02:47 tesla arcmsr: [ID 967371 kern.notice] arcmsr0:Areca SATA Host Adapter RAID Controller (RAID6 capable)
[06:58:21] <EchoBinary> ok
[06:58:22] <EchoBinary> yeah
[06:58:25] <EchoBinary> i see it now
[06:58:30] <EchoBinary> i just didnt know what to look for
[06:58:33] <pl0nk> what do you have there
[06:58:38] <pl0nk> what do you have there  ?
[06:59:08] <EchoBinary> arcmsr (DRIVER VERSION 1.20.00.13 2006-)
[06:59:11] <pl0nk> also .. show me prtconf -v | grep pci17d3
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[06:59:22] <pl0nk> well .. that looks good
[06:59:27] <pl0nk> driver is loaded just fine
[06:59:50] <pl0nk> so you're in good hands then I would think
[06:59:58] <EchoBinary> oh hey
[07:00:01] <EchoBinary> that showed a lot
[07:00:03] <pl0nk> uh huh ?
[07:00:12] <pl0nk> what did ?
[07:00:19] <pl0nk> the prtconf ?
[07:00:25] <EchoBinary> yeah
[07:00:34] <pl0nk> yeah .. I sort of figured it would
[07:00:53] <pl0nk> so then .. what else can we do for you ?
[07:01:49] <WickySolaris> coffee
[07:02:01] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/XDYvLZ36.html
[07:02:02] <pl0nk> caffiene to be specific
[07:02:06] <WickySolaris> indeed :P
[07:02:18] <WickySolaris> good morning people :)
[07:02:31] <pl0nk> EchoBinary: that looks excellent
[07:02:34] <EchoBinary> having confirmed that the hardware is working properly
[07:02:57] <EchoBinary> im back to square one - how do i find the device names for the attached 5 drives?
[07:03:04] <pl0nk> EchoBinary: now go get up to date bash from Blastwave
[07:03:07] <EchoBinary> format didnt show but two drives
[07:03:10] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:03:19] <WickySolaris> devadm
[07:03:27] <EchoBinary> i did that, i think
[07:03:34] <WickySolaris> linkfsadm
[07:03:40] <WickySolaris> or linkadmfs
[07:03:45] <pl0nk> oh .. try   devfsadm -v -C -c disk
[07:03:50] <WickySolaris> pl0nk: that!
[07:03:59] <WickySolaris> I had to do that for my SE3510
[07:04:07] * pl0nk knew what he meant
[07:04:18] <pl0nk> I do that alll the time
[07:04:30] <pl0nk> I am continually attaching disks and arrays etc etc
[07:04:47] <WickySolaris> yea, I am messing with logical drives now, you know how that goes
[07:04:48] <WickySolaris> :D
[07:04:53] <pl0nk> I should change my nick
[07:04:59] <pl0nk> one sec
[07:05:05] <pl0nk> identity change in progress
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[07:05:22] <WickySolaris> I knew there was a reason why I shouldnt use LVM/XFS under linux, and I found the reason now
[07:05:30] <WickySolaris> ahhh! it's you!
[07:05:39] <dclarke> yeah
[07:05:51] <dclarke> I had to move to another workstation and then to a laptop
[07:05:52] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/OA1NM761.html
[07:06:00] <dclarke> now .. I am on bloody windows 98
[07:06:11] <EchoBinary> still only finds two disks
[07:06:24] <dclarke> ummm .. okay .. I don't see a problem here
[07:06:35] <dclarke> EchoBinary: may I ask a gentle question ?
[07:06:45] <EchoBinary> ask a not so gentle one
[07:06:50] <EchoBinary> im a complete solaris noob
[07:06:51] <dclarke> EchoBinary: this is a RAID controller right ?
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[07:06:56] <EchoBinary> yep
[07:06:59] <EchoBinary> ARC-1230
[07:07:16] <dclarke> EchoBinary: okay .. so then .. can you just do one last little thing for me ?
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[07:07:20] <EchoBinary> sure
[07:07:26] <WickedWondering> ugh
[07:07:26] <dclarke> issue the following command and post the results
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[07:07:38] <dclarke> prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0s0
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[07:08:15] <dclarke> it looks to me as if its working fine .. but that command may verify
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[07:09:27] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/p/ef7dKQ70.html
[07:09:28] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/ef7dKQ70.html
[07:09:35] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:09:49] <dclarke> 32130 sectors/cylinder
[07:10:00] <dclarke> 60798 accessible cylinders
[07:10:13] <dclarke> let us now do the math
[07:11:01] <dclarke> 1000161146880 bytes
[07:11:36] <dclarke> 931.47 GB
[07:11:41] <EchoBinary> yep
[07:11:43] <EchoBinary> sounds right
[07:11:50] <dclarke> how big are the drives each ?
[07:11:54] <EchoBinary> 1TB
[07:11:55] <EchoBinary> well
[07:11:56] <EchoBinary> LOL
[07:12:03] <EchoBinary> 931.47 GB
[07:12:08] <EchoBinary> ;)
[07:12:25] <dclarke> ummm .. these are 1TB drives ?
[07:12:28] <EchoBinary> yeah
[07:12:39] * dclarke falls out of chair
[07:12:44] <EchoBinary> i have 5 Hitachi 1TB drives - but i think thats false advertising
[07:12:51] <EchoBinary> you ok?
[07:12:58] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:13:03] <dclarke> I'll be fine
[07:13:10] <EchoBinary> i like to store things
[07:13:18] * dclarke is patching a Netra server with 9GB disks
[07:14:13] <EchoBinary> so /rdsk/c2t0d0s0 is more or less the dev names
[07:14:14] <dclarke> wow
[07:14:28] <dclarke> well .. no .. not *really*
[07:14:29] <EchoBinary> i take it i increment c2t0d0s0 some direction
[07:14:32] <EchoBinary> ahh ok
[07:14:33] <dclarke> close but no cigar
[07:14:59] <dclarke> the real device path is that long thing with pci id numbers in it
[07:15:14] <dclarke> there are user friendly names like /dev/dsk/c2t0d0s0
[07:15:21] <dclarke> and /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0s0
[07:15:38] <dclarke> but really it looks to me as if that RAID controller needs to be configured further
[07:15:51] <dclarke> probably during boot you would see a BIOS message
[07:16:00] <EchoBinary> perhaps - i have purposly configured the controller to act only as a controller card
[07:16:09] <dclarke> something that says press CTRL-A or F8 to configure it
[07:16:17] <EchoBinary> they are pass through drives, i cant to use ZFS completely
[07:16:22] <EchoBinary> err want*
[07:16:26] <EchoBinary> want to use*
[07:16:35] <dclarke> I hear you
[07:16:38] <EchoBinary> so - its really just a very expensive controller card
[07:16:38] <dclarke> well .. gee
[07:16:51] <dclarke> and that's okay if the throughput is good
[07:16:53] <EchoBinary> i jumped in with both feet - and well..  its been a learning curve
[07:17:00] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:17:07] <dclarke> I would use a secondary card also for mirroring .. but that is just me
[07:17:33] <dclarke> well .. you jumped in with both feet and made a hell of a splash
[07:17:50] <dclarke> TB disks .. wow .. I knew sooner or later it would happen
[07:18:11] <EchoBinary> i imagine i will be growing this eventually, and having emailed the zfs dev they said there were no plans to grow a raidz - but that i could stripe two raidz's in a zpool
[07:18:14] <dclarke> now I just want a 1 TB thumbdrive with Ultra320 transfer speeds
[07:18:19] <EchoBinary> LOL
[07:18:20] <EchoBinary> indeed
[07:18:31] <EchoBinary> that would be pretty fast
[07:18:49] <dclarke> for the sake of experimentation I plugged three thumbdrives into a machine here
[07:18:56] <dclarke> and then created a zpool with them
[07:19:05] <dclarke> it worked well enough
[07:19:09] <EchoBinary> whee
[07:19:27] <dclarke> not very fast however
[07:19:43] <EchoBinary> i saw a video with some guys in lab coats using usb hubs and many many usb thumbdrives
[07:19:48] <dclarke> If I had three 4GB thumb disks then I could use that
[07:19:53] <EchoBinary> it was fun to watch the blinking lights
[07:20:02] <dclarke> ha .. I only had three
[07:20:34] <dclarke> this is just spooky to see what I run the web server here with
[07:20:45] <dclarke> UltraSPARC-IIi 440MHz
[07:20:45] <EchoBinary> old stuff?
[07:21:00] <dclarke> OpenBoot 3.10.27 ME, 512 MB memory installed
[07:21:05] <EchoBinary> wow
[07:21:06] <dclarke> is that old enough ?
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[07:21:23] <dclarke> plenty of horsepower to handle 40,000 hits a day
[07:21:26] <EchoBinary> up until 3 months ago i had an old P2 as a file server
[07:21:31] <EchoBinary> i decided enough was enough
[07:21:36] <EchoBinary> and went quite the opposite direction
[07:21:52] <dclarke> I'm getting real close to moving this onto a big old Niagara
[07:22:01] <dlg> old niagara?
[07:22:04] <dlg> tehe
[07:22:07] <EchoBinary> lol
[07:22:15] <dclarke> well ... a big ol' niagara
[07:22:20] <dclarke> you know what I mena
[07:22:23] <dclarke> mean
[07:22:36] <dclarke> something with real serious throughput
[07:22:41] <EchoBinary> so hey, about the device names, when i issue the zfs commands, am i using the pci id numbers?
[07:22:49] <dclarke> no
[07:22:59] <EchoBinary> the "user friendly" names?
[07:23:04] <dclarke> you use the device names like /dev/dsk/c2t0d0
[07:23:07] <EchoBinary> ok
[07:23:10] <dclarke> yeah .. use that
[07:23:11] <EchoBinary> whats that convention?
[07:23:16] <EchoBinary> there has to be one
[07:23:20] <dclarke> but .. where are the other disks ?
[07:23:21] <EchoBinary> c.. controller?
[07:23:30] <EchoBinary> t?
[07:23:33] <EchoBinary> d.. device?
[07:23:40] <EchoBinary> s.. slice?
[07:23:49] <dlg> t is target
[07:23:49] <dclarke> cx = controller
[07:24:01] <dclarke> tx = scsi id or target number
[07:24:04] <EchoBinary> ahh
[07:24:15] <dclarke> even in ide and other busses it id's the disk number
[07:24:17] <EchoBinary> when i made the pass throughs it asked me what LUN i wanted
[07:24:23] <dclarke> dx is the logical unit number
[07:24:24] <EchoBinary> i chose 0-4
[07:24:37] <dclarke> which used ot be a big thing on the old old sun fibre arrays
[07:25:31] <dclarke> one sec // my machine rebooted here
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[07:26:17] <dclarke> patch 118833-36 requires prayer and conviction
[07:26:23] <EchoBinary> O_o
[07:26:41] <dclarke> ever seen the readme file for it ?
[07:26:46] <EchoBinary> nein
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[07:27:15] <EchoBinary> im still amazed i managed to install solaris express in in less than 10 tries
[07:27:35] <EchoBinary> after lots of fussing with a bad 80gig sata system drive
[07:27:37] <dclarke> geez .. solaris express is easy
[07:27:45] <EchoBinary> not solaris' fault
[07:27:46] <EchoBinary> was a bad drive
[07:27:51] <dclarke> oh
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[07:28:32] <WickedSolaris> yea gods!
[07:28:37] <EchoBinary> huh?
[07:28:38] <stevel> onnv_69 is out: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b69
[07:28:40] <WickedSolaris> I just finnished compiling open solaris last night!
[07:28:43] <WickedSolaris> lol
[07:28:48] <EchoBinary> .. there is a new one?
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[07:28:53] <WickedSolaris> *gasp*
[07:29:02] * WickedSolaris will redo his laptop today
[07:29:03] <dclarke> WickedSolaris: based on what instructions ?
[07:29:10] <WickedSolaris> darkwave
[07:29:11] <EchoBinary> G#$@#$%@#$% GAH! i just got done with this one!
[07:29:15] <dclarke> did you follow a guide or just wing it ?
[07:29:21] <WickedSolaris> guide sir!
[07:29:28] <Teknomancer> i'm on OpenSolaris now :)
[07:29:48] <dclarke> what is darkwave ?
[07:29:50] <Teknomancer> fdisk -l doesn't work on solaris' fdisk, so where can i see my partition table list
[07:30:01] <WickedSolaris> the url I think
[07:30:02] <WickedSolaris> lemme see
[07:30:03] <Teknomancer> i need to mount my debian partition
[07:30:21] <WickedSolaris> blastwave
[07:30:26] <WickedSolaris> http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0050/index.html
[07:30:31] <dclarke> oh that
[07:30:37] <dclarke> its wayyy out of date
[07:30:44] <dclarke> I have to update that
[07:30:50] <WickedSolaris> it's yours?
[07:30:53] <dclarke> but .. it works well enough I guess
[07:31:02] <WickedSolaris> well nothing blew up
[07:31:06] <WickedSolaris> disapointing but expected
[07:31:07] <WickedSolaris> :P
[07:31:14] <dclarke> yeah .. I wrote it
[07:31:25] <dclarke> sorry .. I'm working on the web server right now
[07:31:28] <dclarke> its down
[07:31:31] <WickedSolaris> that's no problem :D
[07:31:35] <dclarke> I'll have it up .. soonish
[07:31:38] <WickedSolaris> I hope the prayers work
[07:31:58] <dclarke> I may need to sacrifice a cat
[07:32:09] <EchoBinary> ok this must just be me being new..  i ran prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0 s0-s4
[07:32:15] <EchoBinary> gave me the same answer
[07:32:23] <WickedSolaris> cats die by people masturbating, one cat more or less doesn't matter I think
[07:32:24] <EchoBinary> for grins  i tried s5
[07:32:27] <EchoBinary> and then 6-9
[07:32:30] <EchoBinary> all the same
[07:32:34] <EchoBinary> is that all one disk?
[07:32:40] <dclarke> EchoBinary: that is slices
[07:32:43] <WickedSolaris> you have to use s2 when using prtvtoc
[07:32:45] <EchoBinary> ahh
[07:32:46] <dclarke> on the same disk
[07:32:47] <EchoBinary> tx
[07:32:48] <WickedSolaris> s2 == entire disk
[07:32:48] <stevel> all multiple slices in the same partition
[07:33:02] <EchoBinary> i need to use t0-4
[07:33:11] <WickedSolaris> yep
[07:33:14] <EchoBinary> ok
[07:33:19] <EchoBinary> im learning!
[07:33:26] <stevel> wickedsolaris: entire partition, not disk
[07:33:31] <WickedSolaris> yea that
[07:33:32] <WickedSolaris> sorry
[07:33:39] <EchoBinary> no partitions on those drives
[07:33:42] <WickedSolaris> bare with me, I am still on my first coffee
[07:33:47] <EchoBinary> unless they came shipped with partitions
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[07:34:11] <WickedSolaris> of course you have a partition, your slices are within a Solaris partition
[07:34:20] <Teknomancer>  /dev/dsk/c0d0s6 /dev/rdsk/c0d0s6    /mnt/debian reiserfs -  no  -   <-- does that look ok for mounting reiser volume?
[07:34:45] <stevel> teknomancer: under solaris?  i didn't know we had a way to mount reiserfs
[07:34:52] <dclarke> we don't
[07:34:55] <dclarke> yet
[07:34:56] <Teknomancer> ouch
[07:35:02] <Teknomancer> ok
[07:35:03] <dclarke> sorry dude
[07:35:15] <dclarke> but have a go at it .. you may get lucky
[07:35:24] <WickedSolaris> I saw ways of mounting ext2fs, or at least read it, is this true?
[07:35:25] <stevel> is there ReiserFS support in FUSE?
[07:35:30] <dclarke> the probability is very low .. but it could happen
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[07:35:47] <stevel> wickedsolaris: i used a read-only ext2fs module before
[07:35:55] <Teknomancer> been trying for a while, i get mount: Operation not applicable to FSType reiserfs
[07:36:04] <Teknomancer> k thanks guys
[07:36:15] <WickedSolaris> nice
[07:36:16] <Teknomancer> btw, this "Update Manager" in solaris isn't working...
[07:36:37] <dclarke> update mangler .. well
[07:36:40] <Teknomancer> it asks me for "Sun" username/pwd and after i enter it, seems to wait indefinitely
[07:36:42] <stevel> teknomancer: if you're running an express build (e.g.: SXCE or SXDE), it won't
[07:36:47] <mihaic> Teknomancer: what are you running? SXCE?
[07:36:54] <Teknomancer> i installed the devx edition
[07:36:59] <mihaic> If so, you'll need to use upgrade or LiveUpgrade to update ;-)
[07:37:02] <dclarke> that explains that
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[07:37:16] <stevel> teknomancer: google "live upgrade for idiots" - it's a handy guide for how to use and love liveupgrade :)
[07:37:19] <Teknomancer> well i thought dev edition was for developers and thus will have all the dev-tols under it
[07:37:21] <Teknomancer> so i installed it
[07:37:28] <EchoBinary> c2t0d0s0 works as expected, but c2t1d0s0 doesnt exist?
[07:37:29] <cmihai> Teknomancer: no, that's false.
[07:37:33] <cmihai> Teknomancer: SXCE has the same stuff.
[07:37:50] <cmihai> Teknomancer: SXDE is older and _probably_ more tested.
[07:37:51] <stevel> cmihai: i think when you choose SXCE it doesn't install Netbeans/Studio
[07:38:07] <cmihai> stevel: it does, if you pick "developer" from SXCE media.
[07:38:09] <stevel> when you choose the DE option it installs those
[07:38:16] <Teknomancer> hmm.. all i need is gcc and stuff like libqt3
[07:38:19] <dclarke> the studio gear is a free download .. easy to get
[07:38:20] <Teknomancer> gcc is there under /usr/sfw/bin
[07:38:25] <stevel> cmihai: that's what i was trying to say :)
[07:38:35] <cmihai> dclarke: it's on the SXCE media now :-]. Even easier to get hehe.
[07:38:39] <Teknomancer> need to get libqt3 and stuff
[07:38:44] <boyd> They really have cleared it up for everyone with that rename haven't they
[07:38:47] <cmihai> Teknomancer: oh, gcc is already there, /usr/sfw iirc
[07:38:52] <Teknomancer> yes it is,
[07:38:55] <cmihai> boyd: yeah, right :-]
[07:39:02] <dclarke> I'm confused
[07:39:14] <boyd> I don't even remember who I am any more
[07:39:22] <dclarke> in any case .. I tried a build with the Studio 12 compilers and it was a disaster
[07:39:25] <cmihai> Eh, I've seen worse ;-)
[07:39:29] <stevel> boyd: Sun Java Boyd Express Developer Edition
[07:39:30] <dclarke> I am not certain why
[07:39:31] <Teknomancer> cmihai: i need more libs like libqt3 and i was wondering if Update Manager will help me grab those and install it (like debian synaptic)
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[07:39:43] <cmihai> dclarke: I don't think Sun Studio 12 compiles OpenSolaris yet, does it?
[07:39:46] <cmihai> Teknomancer: no, it won't.
[07:39:51] <nrubsig2> Komodo dragons!!!! Die die die!!!!
[07:39:53] <cmihai> Teknomancer: it won't work on Nevada anyway.
[07:39:59] <dclarke> cmihai: not for me at least
[07:40:03] <cmihai> Teknomancer: and it only fetches.. patches.
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[07:40:09] <Teknomancer> cmihai: so i'll have to install them manually ?
[07:40:09] <boyd> Ah, that's better
[07:40:13] <stevel> cmihai: it can
[07:40:14] <cmihai> Teknomancer: all that is Solaris is on the DVD.
[07:40:23] <stevel> but we don't recommend it yet
[07:40:34] <EchoBinary> ok stupid question time again
[07:40:37] <stevel> we don't use it internally, and it hasn't been qualified to compile ON yet
[07:40:50] <stevel> but with the right flags and overrides in your nightly env. file, it will compile
[07:40:51] <EchoBinary> how DO i find the rest of the device names? im still a little lost
[07:40:59] <cmihai> Teknomancer: there's 3rd party stuff in sunfreeware and blastwave.org too.
[07:41:08] <EchoBinary> incrementing t0 -> t1 doesnt exist
[07:41:09] <stevel> whether or not it passes PIT is another question
[07:41:15] <cmihai> EchoBinary: what device names? Disks?
[07:41:16] <Teknomancer> cmihai: oh, ok ...
[07:41:21] <EchoBinary> yeah
[07:41:22] <cmihai> format < /dev/null -> list disks
[07:41:30] <Teknomancer> thx for the help
[07:41:33] <WickedSolaris> time to run for for the train, see you in a bit
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[07:41:55] <EchoBinary> oh i see
[07:42:03] <EchoBinary> its only showing two disks
[07:42:10] <cmihai> Guess what:
[07:42:16] <EchoBinary> and the one TB one is the second disk
[07:42:17] <cmihai> Your SATA controller isn't supported :P
[07:42:24] <EchoBinary> its not showing the other drives
[07:42:26] <dclarke> EchoBinary: I am certian there is a config step missing for you
[07:42:33] <cmihai> EchoBinary: are they USB?
[07:42:36] <EchoBinary> no
[07:42:36] <cmihai> EchoBinary: if so, rmformat
[07:42:37] <EchoBinary> SATA2
[07:42:44] <EchoBinary> internal
[07:42:47] <cmihai> EchoBinary: other controller?
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[07:43:53] <EchoBinary> no i dont have another controller
[07:43:56] <EchoBinary> hrrm
[07:43:57] <cmihai> EchoBinary: if disks on the same controller don't show up in format, then you're on your own :-]. You must have done something wrong...
[07:44:14] <EchoBinary> fair enoguh
[07:44:31] <boyd> It seems to be "I can't see my disks" day here on #opensolaris
[07:45:04] <dclarke> 0. c0t0d0 <SEAGATE-ST318203LC-0002 cyl 9770 alt 2 hd 12 sec 303>
[07:45:09] <dclarke> I can see mine
[07:45:31] <cmihai> I can see mine ;-)
[07:45:44] <cmihai> EchoBinary: prtconf -vvv
[07:45:47] <cmihai> That should list it
[07:46:46] <cmihai> If that won't list it, it's probably not connected or disabled in BIOS or something.
[07:47:05] <cmihai> You're saying you've got 2 SATA-II disks, one seen another another NOT seen? heh
[07:48:17] <EchoBinary> im saying i have 1 Areca ARC-1230 SATA2 RAID controller, 5 1TB Hitachi SATA2 Hard disks
[07:48:37] <EchoBinary> and only one of them seems to be showing up when i issue the format command
[07:48:47] <cmihai> And that ONE is on the controller, right?
[07:48:52] <EchoBinary> all 5 are
[07:48:57] <EchoBinary> they all show up in the firmware config
[07:49:04] <cmihai> EchoBinary: but what are you booting from?
[07:49:05] <EchoBinary> i can even get thier temperature
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[07:49:10] <EchoBinary> booting from?
[07:49:11] <EchoBinary> BIOS
[07:49:14] <cmihai> ...
[07:49:15] <EchoBinary> its an x86
[07:49:20] <cmihai> No, i meant what DISK are you booting from?
[07:49:20] <EchoBinary> well
[07:49:23] <EchoBinary> oh
[07:49:27] <cmihai> It probably lists THAT
[07:49:28] <EchoBinary> another 20GB disk
[07:49:31] <EchoBinary> yeah
[07:49:32] <cmihai> And NOT any on the controller.
[07:49:54] <EchoBinary> im booting from a 20GB PATA disk directly on the mobo
[07:49:55] <cmihai> And it's probably not supported or something.
[07:50:18] <stevel> does /usr/X11/bin/scanpci show your controller card?
[07:51:05] <cmihai> Look, just make sure the disk listed by format isn't the one mount lists as / :-).
[07:51:09] <EchoBinary> yep
[07:51:22] <cmihai> And see if any of this is listed in prtconf -vvv
[07:51:23] <EchoBinary> scanpci lists it
[07:51:32] <stevel> if it does, match the vendor & device output against prtconf -vp and see if a driver was/is bound to that device id
[07:52:22] <stevel> i'm guessing it doesn't
[07:52:38] <cmihai> Yeah, check kstat too.
[07:53:11] <cmihai> stevel: indeed, I'm guessing all he's seeing is his 20MB disk, his controller is either not supported, or he didn't install the vendor hardware or he's running some older Solaris that doesn't support it.
[07:53:22] <EchoBinary> cmihai
[07:53:25] <EchoBinary> no thats not correct
[07:53:31] <cmihai> It's not?
[07:53:32] <EchoBinary> im seeing the 20GB system drive
[07:53:41] <EchoBinary> and only 1 of the 1TB drives
[07:53:43] <EchoBinary> not all 5
[07:54:02] <dlg> EchoBinary: do you have the 5x 1TB disks in a volume?
[07:54:09] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/OA1NM761.html
[07:54:11] <EchoBinary> no
[07:54:18] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/6VTXNV64.html <-- this will take hours on a 440MHz box
[07:54:19] <EchoBinary> they are all configured as a passthrough
[07:54:23] <dlg> ah
[07:54:24] <dlg> interesting
[07:54:39] <EchoBinary> i got the RAID controller before i decided to try opensolaris and ZFS
[07:55:00] <cmihai> EchoBinary: did you see what size it's seen as?
[07:55:05] <cmihai> Could be it's in RAID or something.
[07:55:12] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/ef7dKQ70.html
[07:55:13] <dclarke> EchoBinary: thus far it looks like you see one disk only no matter what
[07:55:17] <dlg> cmihai: theyre all configured passthrough
[07:55:25] <dclarke> it has to be in the RAID controllr config
[07:55:30] <EchoBinary> hmm
[07:55:41] <dlg> EchoBinary: i think areca provide a solaris binary for talking to the disk
[07:55:42] <dclarke> during boot there must be a messge to config the controller
[07:55:45] <dlg> which controller is it?
[07:55:52] <stevel> ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Solaris/DRIVER/Solaris10/1.20.00.13-60920.zip
[07:55:55] <EchoBinary> ARC-1230
[07:55:59] <stevel> go install the driver for it
[07:56:00] <EchoBinary> yep thats the one
[07:56:02] <EchoBinary> i did
[07:56:05] <cmihai> dlg: He must have missed some config and it's only exporting some disk or something.
[07:56:15] <dclarke> he has the driver and the module is loaded
[07:56:18] <EchoBinary> ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Solaris/DRIVER/Solaris10/1.20.00.13-60920
[07:56:18] <cmihai> EchoBinary: are you using that driver? Maybe there's some docs you need to read or something.
[07:56:27] <dlg> some of the arecas have ethernet on the back
[07:56:31] <EchoBinary> i followed the readme toward the bottom for solaris 10
[07:56:33] <dlg> which you can use to talk to the firmware via a web page
[07:56:35] <dclarke> it sure looks like he need to do a bit of config
[07:56:37] <EchoBinary> mine does
[07:57:11] <dlg> there shoudl also be a binary you can run in solaris that talks to the chip and reads the config off
[07:57:27] <dclarke> like raidctrl
[07:57:38] <dclarke> was there a software package installed ?
[07:57:50] <dlg> dclarke: yes, exactly, but called something else
[07:57:53] <cmihai> grep DRIVERPACKAGENAME /var/sadm/install/contents
[07:58:02] <cmihai> That should list the files it came with, maybe they have a tool.
[07:58:13] <dclarke> EchoBinary: what is the name of the driver again? we found it with modinfo
[07:58:22] <stevel> it installs a /usr/bin/watchdog, that's it
[07:58:23] <dclarke> cmihai : we think alike
[07:58:27] <cmihai> :-)
[07:58:36] <stevel> (i mean besides the arcmsr driver itself)
[07:58:46] <dclarke> I figure a pkginfo -l FOOfoo could be there
[07:58:53] <dlg> EchoBinary: ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/AP_Drivers/Solaris/CLI
[07:58:59] <dlg> did you install anything from there?
[07:59:03] <Teknomancer> what's the command for installing kernel module?   modprobe <modname> in linux, equivalent... ?
[07:59:13] <stevel> modload
[07:59:13] <EchoBinary> http://www.rafb.net/p/XDYvLZ36.html
[07:59:15] <stevel> or add_drv
[07:59:17] <Teknomancer> k thx
[07:59:24] <EchoBinary> dlg: no i didnt
[07:59:33] <stevel> okay i'm off to bed
[07:59:37] <dlg> EchoBinary: thats the cli tool
[07:59:38] <stevel> 'night folks
[07:59:40] <dlg> try it out
[07:59:43] <EchoBinary> ok
[07:59:53] <dclarke> nighty
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[08:00:08] <dlg> the other thing is sd.conf or arcmsr.conf might be limiting probing to the first target
[08:00:11] <dlg> but that seems unlikely to me
[08:00:16] <cmihai> Teknomancer: google: Rosetta Stone Unix - a table of equivalents on UNIX platforms.
[08:00:19] <EchoBinary> dclarke: http://www.rafb.net/p/XDYvLZ36.html
[08:00:40] <Teknomancer> cmihai: ok thanks
[08:01:07] <dclarke> why do I see 21 slices there ?
[08:01:28] <dclarke> dev_path=/pci@0,0/pci10de,5d@e/pci8086,370@0/pci17d3,1230@e/sd@0,0:a to u
[08:01:35] <EchoBinary> yeah im not aware
[08:02:40] <dclarke> I have a to h here
[08:02:49] <jmcp> dclarke: they're minor numbers, not necessarily physical slices
[08:02:59] <jmcp> dclarke: and they're allowed for in the devfs code
[08:03:07] <dclarke> okay
[08:03:21] <dclarke> just seems odd that the path would exist
[08:04:16] <dclarke> okay .. on Solaris 10 Sparc I have a to h but on Solaris 10 AMD64 I have a to u
[08:04:31] <dclarke> that's just another small diff there I guess
[08:04:48] <dlg> EchoBinary: installed the cli yet?
[08:05:35] <EchoBinary> not yet, going now
[08:05:40] <EchoBinary> to give it a try that is
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[08:09:53] <EchoBinary> wow - that cli is informative
[08:10:02] <EchoBinary> compiling info now
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[08:13:32] <echobinar1> dlg: http://rafb.net/p/k9jdkP37.html
[08:13:50] <EchoBinary> i couldnt take bouncing back and forth
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[08:14:02] <WickySolaris> hoorah
[08:14:49] <dclarke> sweet
[08:14:58] <echobinar1> dlg: http://rafb.net/p/AuTSuf25.html   (more - this shows passthrough)
[08:15:02] <dclarke> what RAID controller is this .. I need to get two of them
[08:15:11] <EchoBinary> huh?
[08:15:15] <EchoBinary> its an ARC-1230
[08:15:31] <dclarke> okay .. off to google I go to see what they cost
[08:15:40] <EchoBinary> about 7-800
[08:16:00] <dclarke> yep
[08:16:09] <dclarke> newegg says 759
[08:16:20] <EchoBinary> exactly where i ordered mine from
[08:17:13] <dclarke> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/16-131-006-07.jpg
[08:17:25] <dclarke> I'm curious what those chips are there
[08:17:38] <EchoBinary> cache?
[08:17:59] <dclarke> umm .. no the big black square ones to the extreme right
[08:18:11] <EchoBinary> firmware?
[08:18:42] <dclarke> two of them for firmware ..
[08:18:43] <dclarke> maybe
[08:18:56] <EchoBinary> iunno
[08:18:59] <jmcp> those are the actual controllers
[08:19:00] <EchoBinary> it fit my requirements
[08:19:07] <EchoBinary> at the time
[08:19:19] <EchoBinary> now im wishing it just gotten a simpler sata2 controller
[08:19:25] <EchoBinary> id*
[08:19:30] <dclarke> well I'm happy to see you have that working
[08:19:39] <EchoBinary> LOL
[08:19:51] <EchoBinary> i s'pose, im still lost on the other 4 disks
[08:20:00] <dclarke> oh .. oh no
[08:20:05] <dclarke> still ?
[08:20:20] <EchoBinary> yeah i cant find them in solaris
[08:20:27] <EchoBinary> the raid controller never had a problem with them
[08:20:28] <dclarke> isn't there a stack of options to feed to that client ?
[08:20:45] <EchoBinary> 5 drives, configured as passthrough
[08:20:54] <EchoBinary> seemed straight fwd enoguh
[08:20:58] <EchoBinary> unless im missing something
[08:21:47] <EchoBinary> and LOL i just tried typing commands into the rafb.net site
[08:21:52] <EchoBinary> thinking it was the command line
[08:22:37] <dclarke> that is the stuff you don't tell people
[08:22:48] <dclarke> but .. we won't think less of you :-)
[08:22:50] <EchoBinary> i like to share :-D
[08:22:59] <dclarke> me too
[08:24:04] <dclarke> wow .. this machine will patch forever it looks like
[08:24:10] <dclarke> I better call it a night
[08:24:27] <EchoBinary> ok gnight
[08:24:30] <EchoBinary> thanks for the help
[08:24:35] <dclarke> okay ... toodles
[08:24:40] <EchoBinary> ill see if i cant try and figure something out
[08:24:46] <EchoBinary> it seems to me like the card is working...
[08:24:53] <EchoBinary> ..  'cept not
[08:24:56] <dclarke> it has to be there in a command line option
[08:25:09] <dclarke> or ... via the BIOS during boot
[08:25:18] <dclarke> like the Adaptec cards of old
[08:26:10] <dclarke> gotta go pass out now
[08:26:16] <dclarke> ....
[08:26:31] <dclarke> EOT
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[08:39:27] <cmihai> EchoBinary: any luck yet?
[08:41:08] <dlg> EchoBinary: are those disks configured to appear on different luns?
[08:41:17] <dlg> can you go into the bios and see if you can move them to different targets?
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[08:50:30] <EchoBinary> solved it
[08:50:35] <EchoBinary> boo-ya!
[08:50:47] <WickySolaris> grats :)
[08:50:55] <EchoBinary> here was the answer
[08:51:00] <EchoBinary> it was in the RAID card config
[08:51:23] <EchoBinary> i had the "mode" set to RAID, and the drives configured as "passthrough"
[08:51:29] <cmihai> It w
[08:51:42] <EchoBinary> there was an option to delete all passthrough, and configure the card into "JBOD" mode
[08:51:44] <EchoBinary> that did it
[08:51:45] <cmihai> Well, didn't you say before it wasn't? :-)
[08:51:51] <cmihai> Oh well, that's great news though.
[08:52:22] <cmihai> Well, just add the stuff to a zpool and knock yourself out ;-]
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[08:52:27] <EchoBinary> i didnt think to mention the mode of the card - i figured it was a raid card and that was that
[08:52:28] <cmihai> A nice 4TB of p0rn
[08:52:29] <EchoBinary> yeah
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[08:52:30] <EchoBinary> LOL
[08:52:37] <EchoBinary> raidz2 actuallt
[08:52:43] <EchoBinary> so i figure 3tb
[08:52:48] <cmihai> ;_(
[08:52:57] <EchoBinary> lol
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[08:53:15] <WickySolaris> cmihai: do you have a usefull link for me regarding ZFS? I have 10 ATA/SATA disks that I'd like to use for ZFS, just to mess around
[08:53:32] <jmcp> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs and have a nice day
[08:53:36] <WickySolaris> lol
[08:53:39] <WickySolaris> thankies
[08:54:01] <WickySolaris> my day will be full of meetings so it'll be a less nice day, but thanks for the wishes
[08:57:26] <EchoBinary> one other Q, when specifying the device names, is there a particular slice name i should use?
[08:57:34] <EchoBinary> s0?
[08:57:36] <EchoBinary> s1?
[08:58:48] <EchoBinary> c2t[0-4]d0??  (s0)?
[08:59:24] <dlg> EchoBinary: raidz2 will give you 2TB on 4 disks
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[08:59:35] <_mary_kate_> EchoBinary: are you putting raidz on the entire disk?  if so, do not specify a slice
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[08:59:41] <EchoBinary> yeah
[08:59:51] <EchoBinary> im using raidz2 on 5 disks
[08:59:57] <EchoBinary> no slices?
[08:59:58] <dlg> ah, yeah
[08:59:58] <dlg> sorry
[09:00:07] <_mary_kate_> you can use s2 (traditionally, that covers the entire disk), but then zfs will be slower, becuse it can't write cache
[09:00:08] <dlg> _mary_kate_: he's only asking about targets
[09:00:14] <dlg> oh
[09:00:18] <dlg> you're right
[09:00:25] <dlg> EchoBinary: just omit the sX bit on the end
[09:00:29] <EchoBinary> ok
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[09:03:12] <Teknomancer> okies managed to build the dev86 package under opensolaris (bcc, as86, ncc, etc)
[09:05:42] <SunTzuTech> it'll be out in b70
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[09:06:15] <EchoBinary> dlg: check this out ...
[09:06:24] <echobinar1> dlg: http://rafb.net/p/B66ffO29.html
[09:07:07] <dlg> dont use the path
[09:07:14] <EchoBinary> ahh
[09:07:18] <dlg> just go c2t?d0
[09:07:27] <dlg> actually
[09:07:32] <jmcp> yep
[09:07:33] <dlg> [0-4] instead of the ?
[09:08:30] <EchoBinary> ITS ALIVE!!!!!
[09:08:39] <EchoBinary> haa haa haa
[09:08:44] * WickySolaris is reading http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf
[09:09:07] <WickySolaris> I love ZFS already, it looks simple to use yet has all the features of LVM/SVM I wanna use
[09:09:14] <EchoBinary> wow
[09:09:18] <EchoBinary> raidz2 ate up a LOT
[09:09:23] <EchoBinary> 2.66T free
[09:09:37] <dlg> EchoBinary: a terabytes not a terabyte
[09:09:52] <EchoBinary> ahh yes
[09:10:01] <EchoBinary> i keep wanting to divide by 10
[09:10:02] <dlg> also, seems like a waste to use an areca as a sata controller
[09:10:08] <EchoBinary> yes i know
[09:10:11] <dlg> :)
[09:10:30] <EchoBinary> i got that before i realized ZFS existed
[09:10:35] <EchoBinary> live and learn
[09:10:43] <EchoBinary> perhaps ill sell it and get a simple controller
[09:11:00] * dlg nod
[09:11:48] <EchoBinary> df -H doesnt work?
[09:11:55] <EchoBinary> whats "human readable" for df?
[09:12:17] <EchoBinary> ahh...  duh
[09:12:21] <EchoBinary> lol
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[09:12:38] <WickySolaris> tjena
[09:12:56] <reflect_> EchoBinary: there's a marvell-based controller that is quite cheap, nothing fancy, just a controller.. 8 ports for roughly 120 usd
[09:13:14] <EchoBinary> sata2?
[09:13:17] <reflect_> yeah
[09:13:27] <EchoBinary> what bus?
[09:13:34] <quasi> pcix
[09:13:42] <dlg> i thought the marvells were pci-e
[09:13:48] <reflect_> AOC-SAT2-MV8
[09:14:05] <EchoBinary> i have pci-express
[09:14:15] <reflect_> you'll lose a bit of speed if you hook it up to a normal PCI bus, but..
[09:14:18] <quasi> dlg: ah, might be
[09:14:45] * WickySolaris arrives at the office, see ya all later
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[09:14:50] <EchoBinary> ciao
[09:15:07] <EchoBinary> i still cant believe that the whole time it was a simple card config issue
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[09:15:15] * EchoBinary feels like a dumby
[09:15:21] <EchoBinary> LOL
[09:15:23] <EchoBinary> dummy *
[09:15:52] <ofu> dlg: the controllers in x4500 are pci-x, not pcie
[09:17:11] <dlg> ofu: cool
[09:17:12] <EchoBinary> ok  - next question
[09:17:17] <EchoBinary> samba/nfs
[09:17:45] <EchoBinary> does it come "in the box" or should i compile it?
[09:20:40] <_mary_kate_> samba is bundled
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[09:21:38] <EchoBinary> ? donde? i dont see it
[09:21:48] <EchoBinary> which smbd  says, "nope"
[09:22:11] <_mary_kate_> it's in /usr/sfw
[09:22:26] <EchoBinary> im glad its safe for work ;)
[09:22:40] <_mary_kate_> heh, that's what i always think of when i see sfw
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[09:24:19] <reflect_> does ZFS tag each disk with a unique ID so that one can shuffle the disks around on the controllers and it'll still be able to find the disks involved?
[09:25:18] <jmcp> yes
[09:25:18] <EchoBinary> im not one to talk - but the reading ive done leads me to believe that zfs reads the HW Id off the drives
[09:25:34] <EchoBinary> (as opposed to tagging)
[09:25:45] <jmcp> well, more correctly, Solaris has a "devid" common function which interrogates the device and generates a unique identifier (devid) which stays with it
[09:25:55] <EchoBinary> what he said
[09:26:29] <jmcp> so if you've got, eg, an FC disk and don't have mpxio turned on, you can create your zpool just fine, then turn on mpxio and the pool will still be there
[09:27:00] <reflect_> nice.. thank you..  (I suspected it was something like that)
[09:27:01] <EchoBinary> ok im going to bed - gnight all and thanks for help/bearing with me! :-D
[09:27:12] <jmcp> I've got a presentation in the works about all this stuff
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[09:51:04] <trochej> http://komiksiarnia.net/userfriendly/2007-07-19
[09:51:04] <trochej> :)
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[09:53:33] <Teknomancer> is patsubst a command ?? doesn't seem to be there in opensolaris
[09:53:49] <Gman> hey MattMan
[09:54:09] <MattMan> hey Gman
[09:57:35] <Gman> man, selling a kidney would be cheaper compared to hotel laundry service
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[09:58:52] <reflect_> that one made no sense ;)
[09:59:52] <Gman> oh yeah, perhaps it should be buying a kidney :)
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[10:39:20] <Teknomancer> any idea where i can get autoconf/automake/autoheader for  OpenSolaris ?
[10:39:59] <tsoome> what makes you to think they are different for every os?
[10:40:20] <Teknomancer> tsoome:  i can't seem to find them
[10:40:26] <tsoome> man google?
[10:40:46] <tsoome> the net is full of this crap
[10:41:02] <Teknomancer> that doesn't give me places where i can get them
[10:41:12] <UberDuper> Does zfs do an initialization of disks when you create a raidz?
[10:41:22] <tsoome> every gnu store?!
[10:41:27] <reflect_> you want ready-to-go packages?
[10:41:32] <Teknomancer> checking again
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[10:41:45] <UberDuper> I just created a raidz of 4 disks and I'm running a benchmark.
[10:41:57] <reflect_> Teknomancer: try sunfreeware.com
[10:42:14] <reflect_> if you want packages..
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[10:42:42] <UberDuper> I'm getting pretty poor write performance.
[10:42:59] <reflect_> using which controller?
[10:43:02] <UberDuper> So I was wondering if zfs does a background initialization like most raid systems.
[10:43:20] <Fish> hello
[10:43:50] <UberDuper> 3ware 9000 series pcie controller running JBOD
[10:45:06] <e^ipi> does zfs even do any initialization at all, aside from writing a disklabel & some really minimal accounting info?
[10:45:10] <e^ipi> eg, the table headers
[10:45:20] <Teknomancer> ugh looks like i must again make autoconf from source
[10:45:27] <Teknomancer> though there'll be a binary about :)
[10:45:52] <renihs> whats the recommended smtp agent for sol10?
[10:45:57] <UberDuper> I don't get the impression it's doing an initialization based on zpool iostat
[10:46:00] <UberDuper> After creation
[10:46:13] <e^ipi> i'm fairly certain it doesn't do anything of the sort
[10:46:44] <UberDuper> k. Just trying to pinpoint why I'm getting ~20MB/sec writes.
[10:47:17] <e^ipi> *shrug* that's a tiny bit under what I get with two mirrored spindles
[10:47:26] <e^ipi> err, over... not under
[10:47:27] <UberDuper> Full disclosure.. This is a fbsd7-CURRENT system. =)
[10:47:44] <UberDuper> So it could be any number of things really.
[10:47:48] <e^ipi> *shrug* might have something to do with it
[10:47:52] <e^ipi> try it with solaris
[10:48:14] <Teknomancer> http://www.sunfreeware.com/ftp/pub/freeware/i386/10/ <-- i think this is the one
[10:48:20] <Teknomancer> where i can get them ...
[10:48:30] <Teknomancer> hopefully the binaries :P
[10:48:46] <UberDuper> My solaris skills are far far behind my fbsd skills. So I was just testing there.
[10:48:58] <UberDuper> If I go production with zfs it'd be on solaris.
[10:49:58] <e^ipi> meh, a monkey can use solaris
[10:50:07] <e^ipi> it's really not that hard
[10:51:29] <e^ipi> if you're used to BSD, just throw /usr/ucb/bin to the beginning of your $PATH and have at 'er
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[10:51:47] <e^ipi> but don't try to compile anything that way... there are build tools in /usr/ucb that are seriously broken
[10:51:54] <e^ipi> and should've been removed ages ago
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[10:54:08] <Teknomancer> hmm .. i have an autoconf-2.60-sol10-x86-local file now, is it a pkg file that requires installing ?
[10:54:15] <reflect_> UberDuper: that 3ware-controller is using which driver? must be some generic driver, I guess?
[10:54:24] <reflect_> (can't find any 3ware stuff in the HCL)
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[10:56:51] <reflect_> oh.. forget it, you're using fbsd..
[10:57:14] <dlg> i didnt think there was a 3ware driver for solaris
[10:57:45] <UberDuper> reflect_: 3ware claims fbsd7 has native support and doesn't provide a driver download.
[10:58:13] <UberDuper> The performance could be debugging in the kernel.
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[10:58:25] <UberDuper> I do get 250MB/sec reads from the raidz.
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[11:01:00] <UberDuper> afk a bit.
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[11:03:49] <wickedwicky> ello ello
[11:04:38] <coffman> there are no 3ware drivers for solaris yet  :(
[11:05:12] <dlg> coffman: i had a look at it
[11:05:20] <dlg> it would be easy to write one
[11:05:41] <_mary_kate_> dlg: does your mfi driver have any management/monitoring capabilities?
[11:05:50] <reflect_> I tried my 85xx controller some weeks back and it doesn't even work if you use it as a jbod controller
[11:06:03] <reflect_> 3ware 85xx controller, that is
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[11:06:18] <reflect_> I'm willing to donate it if someone wants to write a driver for it
[11:06:20] <dlg> _mary_kate_: no, but that shouldnt be too hard either
[11:06:36] * wickedwicky humps zfs
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[11:10:55] <Teknomancer> hm i have autoconf but no aclocal, ..that's weird
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[11:12:06] <oxygene> Teknomancer: I think aclocal is part of automake
[11:12:16] <timsf> morning all
[11:12:50] <Teknomancer> oxygene:  yeah me too, automake is also there but the aclocal binary isn't...
[11:13:01] <dlg> reflect_: i dont have time atm
[11:14:07] <Teknomancer> hmm no i dont have automake either
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[11:15:02] <Teknomancer> i downloaded automake gz but inside is a file whose type i don't know
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[11:16:57] <oxygene> Teknomancer: pkg, probably.. try pkgadd -d ungz'd-file
[11:17:12] <UberDuper> Well if I was gonna go zfs on solaris I wouldn't waste the money on a 3ware controller.
[11:17:13] <Teknomancer> oxygene:  ok will try
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[11:24:14] <st3fan> hm how odd ... i have to manuallu enable a network interface in solaris express
[11:24:27] <st3fan> iface is not enabled during system boot
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[11:24:34] <st3fan> anything i can do about that from the command line?
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[11:25:08] <Teknomancer> hmm aclocal requires perl
[11:25:17] <cmihai> st3fan: dladm show-link, ifconfig plumb up.
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[11:25:54] <cmihai> st3fan: it's probably not plumbed or up.
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[11:26:35] <st3fan> dladmin shows them both
[11:26:54] <st3fan> iface already exists
[11:26:58] <st3fan> do i need to enable them during boot?
[11:27:22] <cmihai> what
[11:27:32] <st3fan> the interface
[11:27:42] <cmihai> Are they or are they not plumbed
[11:27:45] <st3fan> they are
[11:28:04] <cmihai> Then what's the problem? It doesn't get an IP at boot? DHCP or Static?
[11:28:40] <st3fan> ah /etc/hostname.e1000g0 was empty
[11:28:49] <st3fan> i added a hostname there and also set it in /etc/hosts now
[11:29:04] <st3fan> i did the initial config through the gui
[11:29:07] <st3fan> maybe that is flakey
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[11:29:42] <cmihai> No, you must have missed something.
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[11:30:18] <st3fan> there is not much to miss in the gui .. ip/netmask/gateway are all ok, 'activate on boot' is turned on
[11:30:19] <devel1> Hello!
[11:30:35] <devel1> Anyone using asterisk under sparc ?
[11:31:16] <cmihai> st3fan: so don't use the GUI.
[11:32:01] <trochej> Something happens with blastwave?
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[11:32:11] <st3fan> maybe dhcp is also turned on
[11:32:44] <cmihai> Not unless you have /etc/dhcp*
[11:33:10] <st3fan> i have a dir named /etc/dhcp
[11:33:26] <cmihai> nah
[11:33:35] <st3fan> seems to contain a reference to that iface
[11:33:36] <cmihai> It's .if
[11:33:43] <st3fan> and dhcpagent is running
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[11:35:52] <cmihai> Just make sure all is right in /etc/defaultrouter /etc/hostname.interface && /etc/hosts and /etc/netmasks and you have not /etc/dhcp.if
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[11:37:25] <st3fan> how do you restart the network?
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[11:41:38] <cmihai> svcadm
[11:41:41] <cmihai> bbl
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[11:55:46] <Teknomancer> autoconf version 2.60 required, what i got is 2.59..
[11:55:49] <Teknomancer> lol
[11:55:57] <_mary_kate_> welcome to autoconf
[11:56:11] <dme> I can lend you 0.01.
[11:56:18] <Teknomancer> :P
[11:56:29] <timeless> autoconf is fun
[11:56:38] <timeless> talking about lack of version compat :)
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[11:57:32] <_mary_kate_> autoconf is one of the oldest gnu tools, you'd think they'd work out a way to not break it every version by now
[11:57:33] <Teknomancer> been dealing with dependency hell since morning :P
[11:58:37] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: what are you porting?
[11:59:18] <Teknomancer> dont think i can quite say it :(
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[12:00:32] <CIA-26> jhaslam: 6468390 dtrace_canstore()'s mechanism for validating dynamic variable stores needs improving, 6578110 The DIF 'ret' instruction doesn't work as advertised
[12:00:34] <CIA-26> ja97890: 4868863 recv() with MSG_PEEK does not return the length of all data
[12:00:43] <Pietro_S>  /opt/jdsbld/bin/autoconf -V
[12:00:44] <Pietro_S> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61
[12:01:11] <Pietro_S> install jds-cbe and you get newer autoconf
[12:01:31] <Teknomancer> hmm i just installed 2.60 into /usr/local/bin
[12:01:43] <Teknomancer> while older ones are in /usr/bin i think...
[12:01:54] <Pietro_S> also pkgbuild or pkgtool can help you a lot if you want to compile it by studio
[12:02:12] <Pietro_S> the other one should be in /usr/sfw/bin
[12:02:50] <Teknomancer> yeah in /usr/sfw/bin sorry
[12:03:09] <Teknomancer> hmm... can i just replace the ones there with the new binaries ?
[12:04:43] <Teknomancer> ah no, can't do... the ones in /usr/local are scripts
[12:05:06] <Pietro_S> hmm, it doesn't looks like good idea to me (even if it probably will work), isn't path magic enough?
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[12:06:18] <Pietro_S> if /usr/local/bin will be before /usr/sfw/bin , it should be enough to work
[12:07:55] <Teknomancer> yes it does, now that version error has vanished
[12:08:31] <Teknomancer> nautilius crashed
[12:09:02] <Teknomancer> hmm. brb,
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[12:14:46] <timeless>  qe
[12:14:47] <timeless>  q
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[12:19:05] <Teknomancer> haha now autom4te complains saying requires m4 1.4 or higher
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[12:21:05] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: that's why I suggest you using jds-cbe because it has nice bundle of autohell ;-)
[12:22:23] <Pietro_S> and you can use it without having to swrite spec files, you just . /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh and you got nice enviroment to compile uusing sunstudio
[12:24:01] <Teknomancer> and how do i get jdsbld ?
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[12:27:24] <Pietro_S> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/cbe/
[12:27:42] <Pietro_S> grab 1.6 version
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[12:29:38] <bda> "Where'd my dynamic link path cache go?" "I dunno, mate, you tell me." "Bollocks, run ldconfig again, would you?" "You know, if you didn't drink yourself into incontinancy, this wouldn't happen..."
[12:30:39] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  k, thx.. downloading
[12:31:00] <bda> "Vostro systems come without annoying trialware, so you only get the software you want." # Is that really an advertisable feature?!
[12:31:17] <kaiwai> bda: whose the vendor offering that?
[12:31:30] <Doc> hrmm
[12:31:35] <kaiwai> ah, Dull
[12:31:53] <Doc> thank god it's friday!
[12:32:03] <bda> Yeah, Dell. ugh.
[12:32:06] <bda> Doc: But it's not. :(
[12:32:23] <Doc> 87 mins to go! :)
[12:32:27] <kaiwai> "you spoke, we listen" - obviously they didn't as they still use that shit called ATI
[12:33:46] <kaiwai> and as usual those outside the US get fucked over
[12:34:24] <bda> That's what you get for being a little brown person.
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[12:40:03] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  so i just extract the bz2 (JDS CBE) to /opt ?
[12:40:40] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: downloaded them off dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/ ?
[12:40:53] <Teknomancer> kaiwai: yes downloaded
[12:41:08] <Teknomancer> its a tar.bz2 where must i extract it?
[12:41:20] <kaiwai> bunzip2 and untar them, then run the instal script, which will uninstall and install packages automatically
[12:41:27] <Teknomancer> okies
[12:41:37] <kaiwai> plonk it in a directory
[12:41:43] <kaiwai> the go bunzip2
[12:41:46] <kaiwai> the untar it
[12:43:01] <Teknomancer> hmm its asking me to enter path to the solaris packages (point to /cdrom...)
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[12:45:03] <edwardocallaghan> Hey all
[12:45:59] <Teknomancer> k
[12:46:10] <Teknomancer> its /media/SOL_11_X86/Solaris_11/Product for me...
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[12:51:17] <edwardocallaghan> Hey I need a little help with my Zone
[12:51:24] <edwardocallaghan> I wish to do this
[12:51:25] <edwardocallaghan> http://blogs.sun.com/downstream/entry/just_in_time_coolstack
[12:52:06] <edwardocallaghan> However it tells me 'read only file system'
[12:52:35] <cmihai> Are you root
[12:52:44] <cmihai> Oh, and you do that in the global zone
[12:53:00] <Teknomancer> JDS cbe says
[12:53:08] <Teknomancer> my usr/bin/cc is not the recommended compiler
[12:53:27] <edwardocallaghan> Hmm
[12:53:42] <pjd-> What does field vfs_resource from struct vfs contains?
[12:53:43] <edwardocallaghan> cmihai:Yea I figured..
[12:53:48] <quasi> Teknomancer: it probably wants either studio pro or gcc
[12:53:58] <Teknomancer> quasi: hm
[12:54:09] <Teknomancer> it says it should print        cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121016-05 2007/01/10
[12:54:10] <Teknomancer>        cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121016-02 2006/03/31
[12:54:10] <Teknomancer>        cc: Sun C 5.7 Patch 117837-04 2005/05/11
[12:54:38] <edwardocallaghan> So is that a problem as CoolStack is running in a Zone
[12:54:45] <cmihai> Sigh
[12:54:48] <quasi> Teknomancer: then I imagine it wants gcc
[12:54:48] <edwardocallaghan> Well, not running yet
[12:54:52] <cmihai> You do the SMF in the global zone
[12:54:55] <cmihai> And that will be inherited.
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[12:55:28] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: that's just warning
[12:55:31] <quasi> cmihai: only when you install the zone - won't be inherited later
[12:55:40] <cmihai> quasi: he doesn't have a zone yet.
[12:55:48] <Pietro_S> it's working well with studio12 and other versions of studio11
[12:56:02] <quasi> cmihai: no? I thought that's why he got the RO error
[12:56:08] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  You chose gcc as your C compiler.  Note that building JDS using gcc may be
[12:56:08] <Teknomancer> possible but is not tested or supported.
[12:56:13] <Teknomancer> it gives me that now
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[12:56:26] <Pietro_S> huh why you choiced gcc?
[12:56:43] <Teknomancer> k should i stop the script and re-run it ?
[12:56:56] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: do you have studio installed?
[12:57:02] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: what are you trying to dow?
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[12:57:13] <Teknomancer> i have no idea what the DVD has installed for me...
[12:57:19] <kaiwai> Pietro_S: he's downloaded the binaries - hence, I can't work out why he is trying to compile it
[12:57:26] <Teknomancer> it said dev edition and i expected it have all gcc stuff in it with automake etc.
[12:57:29] <Teknomancer> guess i was wrong
[12:57:44] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: its in /opt/SUNWspro
[12:57:51] <Teknomancer> let me check it
[12:58:04] <Teknomancer> yes i have that folder
[12:58:12] <edwardocallaghan> quasi:I do have a zone now
[12:58:19] <Pietro_S> ln -l /usr/bin/cc should point to /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
[12:58:20] <kaiwai> well, put /opt/SUNWspro/bin in your path
[12:58:21] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[12:58:30] <kohju> I want to use beryl. can someone tell me how to use compiz on X1300/ATI?
[12:58:37] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: that's what I thought
[12:58:49] <kaiwai> Teknomancer: hang on, you've downloaded GNOME off dlc.sun.com - you don't need to compile it
[12:58:59] <Teknomancer> kaiwai:  i didn't download gnome,
[12:59:10] <Teknomancer> i mean the installer installed it
[12:59:13] <Pietro_S> then re-run script and choice /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc your default coompiler
[12:59:17] <Teknomancer> ok
[12:59:22] <edwardocallaghan> So i'll have to contact dclarke about the RO error ?
[12:59:46] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: yeah
[13:00:07] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: or try to install the package somewhere else
[13:00:10] <Pietro_S> kohju: I fear that's nearly impossible, because ati doesn't have solaris drivers ...
[13:00:13] <edwardocallaghan> Poor guy :p
[13:00:28] <Teknomancer> Enter the path to the C compiler [/usr/bin/cc]: /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
[13:00:29] <Teknomancer> /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc is not the recommended compiler
[13:00:29] <Teknomancer> "cc -V" should print one of the following:
[13:00:29] <Teknomancer>        cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121016-05 2007/01/10
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[13:01:12] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: wait, this isn't your machine? You're in someones zone?
[13:01:26] <Teknomancer> it doesnt seem to like sunwspro/bin/cc either
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[13:01:51] <kohju> Pietro_S: Thanks... xgl doesnt work on ATI videocard?
[13:01:56] <edwardocallaghan> cmihai; I know
[13:02:12] <edwardocallaghan> I can't overwirigh parts..
[13:02:22] <edwardocallaghan> $s/write
[13:03:01] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: it's just warning, you probably have newer compiler ;-) It will works without any problems
[13:03:08] <Teknomancer> okay
[13:03:17] <Teknomancer> so i proceed with choosing yes ?
[13:03:34] <renihs> xgl=ati, aiglx=nvidia
[13:03:40] <renihs> working i mean :p
[13:04:05] <edwardocallaghan> xgl works with nvid ?
[13:04:16] <kohju> k.
[13:04:36] <renihs> not that i am aware about
[13:04:50] <edwardocallaghan> cmihai:I got Apache to run and give me a nice test page :D
[13:04:51] <renihs> though xgl is somewhat strange anyway ...in terms of approach :p
[13:05:04] <renihs> basicly you have 2 x running then
[13:05:15] <edwardocallaghan> "It Works"; hmm..
[13:05:41] <edwardocallaghan> Are these coolstacks already harddened ?
[13:05:41] <renihs> dunno, ditched xgl long ago in favor of aiglx
[13:05:55] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: no, you need to edit php.ini for Suhoshin hardened php patches
[13:06:06] <edwardocallaghan> Ah yes
[13:06:19] <edwardocallaghan> Whats the path ?
[13:06:20] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: here, I made you a tutorial for Hardened PHP + SMF + SMF MySQL
[13:06:23] <cmihai> http://paste.lisp.org/display/44742
[13:06:24] <cmihai> Read that ^
[13:06:29] <cmihai> Installing the AMP stack from Sun CoolStack 1.1 Solaris and writing the SMF manifests:
[13:06:31] <kohju> hmm.. nVidia is kindly for Solaris :)
[13:06:37] <cmihai> Edit /opt/coolstack/php5/lib/php.ini and enable hardened PHP:
[13:06:38] <cmihai> extension=?suhosin.so?
[13:06:51] <edwardocallaghan> Ok thanks very much
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[13:08:55] <kaiwai> damn
[13:09:00] <kaiwai> something is weird
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[13:09:41] <edwardocallaghan> Cool did that
[13:10:06] <edwardocallaghan> I will forward that info in past bin to dclarke as its not my system
[13:10:12] <edwardocallaghan> and study it myself
[13:10:15] <edwardocallaghan> Many thanks
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[13:12:23] <edwardocallaghan> Is it safe to start Apache with that one line uncommented in php.ini or is there someting more I should know about CoolStack?
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[13:15:34] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: CoolStack is little more then AMP.. Apache + PHP + MySQL support.
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[13:17:34] <edwardocallaghan> CSKamp I mean
[13:18:02] <st3fan> cmihai: i can't gt the network setup to work .. everything seems ok but after a reboot the interface has 0.0.0.0 as an address :-/
[13:20:03] <kaiwai> anyone familar with the power management in Solaris - specifically "Solaris support of Intel Enhanced Speedstep"
[13:20:49] <kaiwai> no worries, found the solution
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[13:27:50] <Teknomancer> ld: fatal: file ./intl/libintl.a: open failed: No such file or directory
[13:27:59] <Teknomancer> hm
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[13:35:21] <Pietro_S> what package that is?
[13:36:28] <Teknomancer> not sure
[13:36:31] <Teknomancer> i'm googling for it
[13:36:40] <Teknomancer> but no trace of libintl.a
[13:37:14] <st3fan> what is the correct way to disable the graphical desktop on solaris express? i have it installed on a server and would like the login widow to go away
[13:37:52] <tsoome> svcadm disable gdm
[13:37:55] <edwardocallaghan> http://moonshine.opn4.org/ excellent, what this space for the Open Solaris Magazine to come
[13:38:25] <Pietro_S> tsoome: I though that cde-login is still default instead og gdm ...
[13:38:26] <tsoome> svcadm disable dtlogin - or whatever the service name was
[13:38:29] <st3fan> thanks tsoome .. the answer is always simple :)
[13:38:34] <st3fan> ok
[13:38:43] <edwardocallaghan> Does that stop X as well ?
[13:38:49] <tsoome> indeed
[13:38:51] <edwardocallaghan> guess it would
[13:38:59] <st3fan> dtlogin doesn't match any instances
[13:39:18] <tsoome> cde-login
[13:39:29] <tsoome> svcs | grep login
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[13:39:55] <st3fan> got it
[13:40:03] <Teknomancer> i dont have a reboot option under gnome
[13:40:04] <Teknomancer> :)
[13:40:07] <Teknomancer> only shutdown .. heh
[13:40:21] <st3fan> i still see a java process running .. user 'noaccess' .. is that required?
[13:40:41] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: on what do you need reboot?
[13:40:54] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  ? on what means?
[13:40:56] <Cyrille> the java process owned by noaccess is the webconsole
[13:41:36] <Cyrille> I think out of the box it only has some management tools for zfs, you can stop it if you want (and restart it if you need it later)
[13:42:26] <st3fan> cool
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[13:42:42] <Teknomancer> i think zfs might be an overkill on this system of mine :)
[13:43:16] <tsoome> what makes you think that?
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[13:44:56] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: I reboot sxce only for 2 reasons : upgrade on newer build or swithing to windows ... statistically I do reboot 2 in 30 shutdowns
[13:46:19] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  i prefer to powerdown this laptop on a daily basis
[13:46:44] <Teknomancer> it gets pretty hot and i'd like to give it a rest
[13:47:35] <Pietro_S> did you install frkit?
[13:48:00] <Teknomancer> no, its just a few hours since i installed opensolaris for the first time :P
[13:48:03] <Teknomancer> no idea about frkit
[13:48:16] <Teknomancer> if i can just get libintl.a :)
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[13:53:41] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: if you tell us why you need it, like what are you trying to do we might be able to help you more effeccient
[13:55:28] <Teknomancer> compiling yasm for use in another project...
[13:55:31] <SunTzuTech> Teknomancer: sounds like a broken configure program not finding the shared version of libintl.so
[13:55:52] <Teknomancer> probably
[13:56:24] <SunTzuTech> cause libintl.so is in /lib
[13:56:28] <Teknomancer> probably doesn't detect gettext
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[13:56:38] <Teknomancer> SunTzuTech:  yeah just saw it myself ...
[13:56:43] <SunTzuTech> and you can't compile static on solaris 10 or later anymore
[13:56:44] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/
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[13:56:58] <edwardocallaghan> OK may pop by later; see you guys..
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[13:57:36] <Teknomancer> SunTzuTech:  oh why's that ?
[13:57:59] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: I have solution for you, in SFE repository there is yasm already there
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[13:58:12] <SunTzuTech> so you couldn't lug around functions from libraries that have bugs
[13:58:25] <Teknomancer> hmm
[13:58:36] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  oh, where's the SFE repository?
[13:58:50] <seanmcg> SunTzuTech: sure you can, if the static libs are there to link against. grep '\.a ' /var/sadm/install/contents .  Its the solaris libs that you can't link statically against anymore...
[13:59:16] <Teknomancer> seanmcg:  yeah i was a bit scared ... hehe
[14:00:17] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
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[14:01:48] <SunTzuTech> seanmcg: yes, but no one should be statically linking anything except custom libraries to their apps
[14:01:51] <Teknomancer> mine's isnt SXCE i think its that devx or something
[14:02:10] <SunTzuTech> Teknomancer: same differeence
[14:02:17] <Pietro_S> Teknomancer: svn co  https://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk spec-files-extra
[14:02:36] <Teknomancer> k
[14:02:43] <Pietro_S> and then ". /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh"
[14:03:13] <Pietro_S> and "pkgtool --download build -v SFEyasm.spec"
[14:03:45] <Pietro_S> got to go, good luck, later
[14:04:00] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  bye and thanks
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[14:07:04] <Teknomancer> well i got yasm built anyway :)
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[14:08:47] <cmihai> Oh, this sucks.
[14:09:11] <cmihai> I've just realized my own SMF manifest won't show up in zones.
[14:10:24] <cmihai> Even if I build the zone after.
[14:11:43] <bda> Heh, yeah, but the methods will.
[14:11:47] * bda has always been annoyed by that.
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[14:14:04] <cmihai> AHA
[14:14:07] <cmihai> There's my methods :-)
[14:14:32] <cmihai> Yeah, that kind of blows :-)
[14:15:41] <seanmcg> SunTzuTech:  Yup, also true, very true :)
[14:15:49] <cmihai> bda: hm... and I can't inherit /var :-). That's where the manifest is.
[14:15:55] <cmihai> Or can I?
[14:15:55] <cmihai> :-)
[14:16:00] <cmihai> Inherit /var/svc
[14:16:03] <cmihai> Is that wise?
[14:16:35] <seanmcg> probably not, don't want the zone and the global zone writing to the same logs ?
[14:16:36] <bda> No, because of /var/svc/log.
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[14:16:47] <bda> You could get away with /var/svc/manifest/site, though, I imagine.
[14:17:09] <cmihai> site?
[14:17:26] <cmihai> Basically I want the stuff in manifest/network :-)
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[14:17:50] <bda> Site is where site-local (read: custom) manifests go, or so I have taken it.
[14:17:55] <cmihai> I see.
[14:18:10] <cmihai> Well, mine aren't in site ;P
[14:18:24] <bda> It doesn't really matter where the manifest itself lives, you can call the service whatever you want.
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[14:18:49] <cmihai> Yeah, sure.
[14:19:03] <cmihai> I'm just looking for sneaky shortcuts ;P
[14:19:03] <bda> I do think it's weird that manifests are seperated into type, but methods aren't.
[14:19:55] <cmihai> oh well.
[14:20:00] <bda> cmihai: manifests/site/ is probably what you want. No Solaris packages should put things there (though other third-party software might, I guess).
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[14:20:25] <cmihai> bda: That's not a bad idea, put custom stuff in there, then inherit that to all my zones\
[14:20:31] <bda> nod.
[14:20:38] <bda> I think I will start doing that. Keeping everything in sync is tedious.
[14:20:40] <cmihai> Eye, thanks.
[14:20:49] <cmihai> Yeah, that's what bothers me most..
[14:20:56] <cmihai> When I find some little error or something I need to correct.
[14:21:33] <bda> Yeah. I was getting pretty good about writing sysconfig tests with Test::More, but got behind. :<
[14:21:44] <bda> I also need to fix how /usr/pkg is a full pkgsrc install on every zone. Totally stupid.
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[14:21:57] <bda> Need to share it out from the global, use zfs send from the build box to keep everything update to date.
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[14:22:07] <bda> Make /usr/pkg/etc a legacy mount on top of the lofs.
[14:22:13] <bda> Much less dumb.
[14:32:38] <CSFrost> hrm, was going to play with the new xen bits.. but I just don't have anything to do with them
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[14:34:05] <triplah_> anyone done anything with startup essentials from sun before?
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[14:53:23] <wickedwicky> my work day rules today. Compiling on 69 on my laptop, installing SXCE 68 on my desktop
[14:53:38] <wickedwicky> messing around with Sun cluster 3.2
[14:53:44] <wickedwicky> and loads of coffee \o/
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[14:57:28] <quasi> wickedwicky: sounds like fun ... except the bit about compiling b69 on a lappy ;)
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[14:57:53] <JWheeler> are there interesting new xen bits somewhere?
[14:58:10] * JWheeler is eargerly the await the official inclusion of Xen in SXCR
[14:58:53] <quasi> JWheeler: yes they are ;)
[14:59:19] <quasi> JWheeler: see http://blogs.sun.com/levon/entry/solaris_xen_update
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[15:00:05] <JWheeler> kewl *reads*
[15:00:17] <movement> finally I can answer that question in the positive...
[15:03:18] <quasi> still not integrated
[15:03:31] <movement> well no
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[15:06:12] <cmihai> bda: well, that didn't wokr.
[15:06:33] <cmihai> bda: I recreated the zones, /var/svc/manifest/site is inherited and all, but it doesn't add it automagically.
[15:07:04] <bda> cmihai: By 'add automagically' do you mean svccfg import?
[15:07:11] <cmihai> bda: yeah :P
[15:07:14] <cmihai> I had to do that by hand
[15:07:29] <wickedwicky> the lappy is a dual core t2300 with 1GB of memory and 2x SATA2 80GB, so it's doable
[15:07:34] <bda> I am *pretty sure* that it adds manifests on boot?
[15:07:37] <bda> Didn't work?
[15:08:03] <bda> Maybe there is a race between svc.* and the mount? (seems unlikely)
[15:09:03] <cmihai> Wow
[15:09:12] <cmihai> # svcs -xv
[15:09:12] <cmihai> svc:/system/sysidtool:net (sysidtool)
[15:09:20] <cmihai>  State: offline since Thu Jul 19 06:06:36 2007
[15:09:21] <cmihai> I remember this.
[15:09:28] <bda> ?
[15:09:31] <cmihai> I've had this issue before, I think it was some bug.
[15:09:39] <cmihai> sysidtool failed to start in zones for SOME reason.
[15:09:43] <bda> huh.
[15:09:52] <quasi> wickedwicky: sure, I just like having faster disks for huge compiles
[15:09:53] <cmihai> I create a new zone.
[15:09:55] <cmihai> svcs -xv
[15:09:59] <cmihai> sysidtool fails to start.
[15:10:13] <bda> Is the zone configured? ;P
[15:10:28] <cmihai> yeah
[15:10:41] <bda> Haven't seen that before. :<
[15:11:01] <cmihai> I did.
[15:11:04] <cmihai> In 2 other builds.
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[15:11:15] <quasi> cmihai: you did the configure with zlogin -C zone
[15:11:40] <quasi> ?
[15:13:59] <cmihai> Yeah, did that first time on the thing.
[15:14:19] <cmihai> Oh well, I'll destroy it and create it again, maybe something was broken.
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[15:18:00] <leal> hello, does vmware run into a zone?
[15:18:10] <renihs> does vmwae run on solaris?
[15:18:17] <timeless> centos?
[15:18:33] <renihs> you run linux in a zone to run vmware there?
[15:18:42] <cmihai> No.
[15:18:43] <cmihai> Won't work.
[15:18:46] <cmihai> Needs kernel modules.
[15:18:50] <renihs> i would be astonished
[15:18:52] <renihs> :p
[15:20:17] <leal> no sorry... there is no vmware for solaris...
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[15:20:52] <cmihai> Oh, my bad.
[15:20:56] <cmihai> I inherited /opt too
[15:21:02] <cmihai> And my stuff was trying to write there
[15:21:05] <cmihai> Blast :-)
[15:21:08] <leal> i was thinking in install vmware in a solaris zone, and test some linux virtualization on that zone..
[15:21:22] <CSFrost> well it appears xen is working... I actually have no idea why I bothered setting it up, because I am not going to run anything else on that machine though :-P
[15:21:33] <cmihai> Well, this blows.
[15:21:36] <cmihai> Since Coolstack needs /opt
[15:21:43] <cmihai> Well, not needs.
[15:22:02] <cmihai> Well, recreate time.
[15:22:30] <leal> CSFrost: xen works in a zone?
[15:22:54] <cmihai> ...
[15:22:57] <cmihai> What is it with you and zones?
[15:23:01] <CSFrost> leal in a zone? why would I need that?
[15:23:18] <CSFrost> if your using xen, it's an entire seperate OS
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[15:23:47] <CSFrost> that's like having a yard with two fenced off areas in it, and only 1 dog!
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[15:24:13] <leal> CSFrost: why you need a zone?
[15:24:36] <CSFrost> lol, I don't need a zone if using xen
[15:24:49] <CSFrost> but I don't need xen, so I will just stick to NO xen,  and use zones
[15:25:06] <CSFrost> one or the other, you don't need two icecream cones.
[15:25:16] <CSFrost> you can only eat one at a time anyways.
[15:26:17] <leal> CSFrost: ok, but i'm thinking in use some virtualization tech, and i think xen is something linke vmware (need a OS)...
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[15:27:32] <CSFrost> yes, its similar to vmware in that account.. but if you have two seperate OS's, why would you need to run one OUT of a zone?
[15:27:48] <leal> CSFrost: With vmware i need a linux server to run it. So, i was thinking in install it into a solaris zone... but forget that there are no binaries
[15:28:28] <CSFrost> uhh, with xen you don't need a linux server
[15:29:04] <CSFrost> and.. you don't need a solaris zone for anything either..
[15:29:09] <CSFrost> not sure why that keeps popping back up
[15:29:19] <leal> CSFrost: ok, now i can see... beacuse of that you were lol... i will read something about it. :
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[15:35:49] <bashusr> how do you query hardware info?
[15:35:57] <bashusr> ie. how much memory, what processor?
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[15:36:49] <leal> CSFrost: you need a host OS for xen...
[15:37:27] <leal> CSFrost: but version 3.0 is NetBSD or Linux
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[15:37:37] <CSFrost> and 3.1 is....?
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[15:40:55] <leal> CSFrost: linux too.
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[15:42:38] <leal> CSFrost: if xen could run on solaris, what the problems you see want to run it into a zone?
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[15:43:04] <wickedwicky> bashusr: prtconf/prtdiag
[15:43:23] <leal> CSFrost: you think is crazy have a zone for virtualization, for example?
[15:43:59] <Stric> leal: xen in a zone makes no sense. xen "fakes" hardware for you... a zone is just some stoved away processes
[15:44:21] <CSFrost> if you have zen for virt, and zones for virt, why do you need something twice?
[15:44:32] <CSFrost> xen* gah
[15:44:35] <Stric> what you want in that case is vmware which is more userspace, xen is self-contained
[15:44:40] <seanmcg> leal: probably wouldn't be able to run vmware in a zone even if it were about for solaris since vmware uses kernel modules.  zones are userspace (mainly).
[15:44:47] <dlg> Stric: vmware needs kernel hooks
[15:44:58] <Stric> dlg: yeah, and xen _is_ a kernel
[15:45:06] <leal> seanmcg: ok, i see that..
[15:45:08] <Stric> so vmware is way closer to running in a zone
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[15:45:21] <dlg> qemu
[15:45:33] <seanmcg> Stric: eh ?  How so ?
[15:45:51] <Stric> seanmcg: because xen takes care of all the hardware it runs on
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[15:46:07] <Stric> which vmware/qemu does not, it relies on some other OS taking care of that part
[15:46:21] <leal> Stric: but, let's think that way: if vmware could run into solaris (server), i could have 10 different OS's on a solaris install, right?
[15:46:35] <Stric> leal: correct.
[15:47:08] <timeless> leal: iand if you have enough millions of dollars, i'm sure you could pay vmware t oadd support
[15:47:14] <leal> Stric: Ok, why dont have it into a zone?
[15:47:16] <timeless> otoh, you could just buy some hardware :)
[15:47:34] <CSFrost> I'd be more likely to want one system controlling my hardware, not many fighting over it :-P
[15:47:56] <Stric> leal: you seem to have the wrong ideas about how zones/vmware/xen implement their virtualization
[15:48:24] <Stric> they do the same end theory, but in very different ways.. and putting them in a bowl and stirring them together isn't that easy
[15:48:55] <seanmcg> Stric: so does vmware enterprise..  right ?
[15:49:03] <leal> Stric: Ok, if the software cannot be run into a zone, there is no discuss... but i think that was not the point.
[15:49:04] <Stric> vmware enterprise is more like xen iirc..
[15:49:19] <CSFrost> How about this, can I have some zones, with Xen running inside it, and then VMware inside that? now that would be cool, right?
[15:49:31] <Stric> no, you can't
[15:49:32] <wickedwicky> the difference between vmware gsx and esx is that esx uses a kernel module which acts as a hypervisor, just like xen.
[15:49:47] <Stric> and it would be kinda pointless to add 3 layers of virtualization without any gain
[15:49:58] <CSFrost> Stric, note the sarcasm :-)
[15:50:01] <Stric> try adding qemu there too and then uae or so
[15:50:07] <Stric> CSFrost: it got lost..
[15:50:13] <wickedwicky> buy a Sun E10K and use domains ;-)
[15:50:21] * Stric wanders off
[15:50:49] <leal> Stric: I think would be great if i could have a zone for virtualization. and to have 10 OS's in each zone... in a time ago, thinking about zones would be crazy...
[15:53:15] <CSFrost> I have xen running, and I still have no need for running more than 1 OS :-P
[15:54:03] <leal> CSFrost: So xen was made without your needs in mind.
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[15:54:56] <movement> leal: you /could/ run the xen control tools in a zone but we will not be allowing it
[15:55:11] <movement> simply because it lets that zone have full access to all domUs on the box, thus breaking out of the zone
[15:55:27] <coffman> virtualization should be in the firmware like on the cool thread servers
[15:55:54] <coffman> zones are not virtualization in the "classic" kind of way
[15:56:51] <coffman> and a E10K  also does no virtualization, it reroutes electrical connections
[15:57:01] <FrostCS> heh, it should be on all firmware.. it certainly would make things a lot easier :-P
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[15:57:24] <FrostCS> reroutes and drains
[15:58:16] <leal> movement: Ok, that is a tec limitation. But think that something like that would be useless... i dont think like that.
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[15:59:46] <coffman> which makes the E10k and the E6xxx style systems kind of cool, since you got real seperation going on
[15:59:49] <movement> leal: there would be no real purpose to it
[16:00:06] <leal> movement: dont say that.
[16:00:16] <FrostCS> heh
[16:00:21] <FrostCS> what is the purpose then?
[16:00:32] <FrostCS> We have been trying to find that out for an hour now :-)
[16:00:41] <leal> movement: what do you think about solaris zones within a global zone running on a vmware?
[16:00:43] * seanmcg throws in ldoms into the virtual mix...
[16:01:11] <movement> leal: I don#t know what you're asking me
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[16:01:27] <hile_> hey tom.
[16:01:38] <libkeiser> morning, coy
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[16:02:43] <leal> movement: if i have a solaris 10 running on a vmware... can i use zones or not?
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[16:03:27] <movement> of course
[16:03:52] <leal> movement: So, its virtualization into virtualization.
[16:04:18] <leal> movement: the only difference is the "kind of".
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[16:09:55] <coffman> leal: na, zones are not virtualization - so sure you can run it
[16:10:10] <seanmcg> leal: zones are more of a lightware OS instance...
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[16:10:26] <seanmcg> s/lightware/lightweight/
[16:10:29] <coffman> leal: you could also run solaris in vmware and in solaris qemu i think
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[16:11:36] <kszwed> or if you're really creative, run solaris/sparc apps using transitive on another platform ;)
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[16:14:13] <leal> coffman: Ok, i just did ask if i could run vmware on a solaris zone. But vmware does not run into global zone either. :)
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[16:15:14] <leal> coffman: but "IF" i could, everyone thinks would be crazy and useless...
[16:15:33] <coffman> leal: you asked it the wrong way before
[16:15:39] <leal> coffman: I think many people think that run more than one OS in a machine is crazy too. :)
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[16:15:57] <coffman> leal: atm there is not vmware support as host system, which is a shame
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[16:16:23] <leal> coffman: i did ask exactly like that...
[16:16:51] <leal> coffman: look the history, that was the "first" question.
[16:17:12] <coffman> i did not refer to the first question
[16:17:20] <seanmcg> well a E10K is 'a' machine, but can be made into many machines.. Does that count ?
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[16:17:47] <coffman> seanmcg: pretty much
[16:18:02] <coffman> leal: 16:02  leal> movement: if i have a solaris 10 running on a vmware... can i use zones or not? - is the one
[16:18:37] <coffman> btw, qemu with kernel module is not to bad ...
[16:19:08] <seanmcg> coffman: thanks, though was directed at leal :)
[16:19:13] <leal> coffman: that was i trying to show that "vitualization inside virtualization" is not useless. I think zones is a "kind of" virtualization..
[16:19:25] <wickedwicky> ok so, my compile of nv69 finished, do I bluntly do a cp -rpv proto/root_i386/. /.
[16:19:26] <wickedwicky> ?
[16:19:48] <seanmcg> wickedwicky: use bfu
[16:20:12] <wickedwicky> coolies, thanks
[16:20:19] <CSFrost> actually leal, I think this was your question "CSFrost: xen works in a zone?"
[16:20:55] <coffman> leal: it is not, but having a zone with a vmware brand would be kind of nice
[16:20:56] <leal> CSFrost: that was after somebody tell me that there is no vmware for solaris.
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[16:22:02] <leal> CSFrost: So, i think you did tell me about xen... so, i remake my question changing vmware for xen. :)
[16:22:06] <Cyrille> are you restarting the conversation from scratch?
[16:22:19] <Cyrille> so you said... then I answered... then he pointed out...
[16:22:52] <leal> Cyrille: you are right.
[16:23:03] <leal> Cyrille: it's done.
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[16:23:24] <Cyrille> that's ok, don't mind me ;-)
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[16:26:21] <wickedwicky> erg
[16:26:30] <wickedwicky> when you see things like this in install-* log
[16:26:33] <wickedwicky> ld: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_32: file ./debug64/unix.o: symbol pci_getb_func: value 0xfffffffffbc60998 does not fit http://dlc.sun.com/osol/x/downloads/current/X-src-20070605.tar.bz2
[16:26:38] <wickedwicky> that aint good, is it?
[16:26:52] <wickedwicky> minus the URL I pasted, that wasnt in the log
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[16:43:36] <seanmcg> wickedwicky: you using the right compiler ?
[16:43:57] <seanmcg> that error has shown up on o.s.d mailing list a bit..
[16:44:17] <wickedwicky> Well, thats the cool thing I am seeing now
[16:44:32] <wickedwicky> my path is: /opt/SUNWspro/bin:/opt/onbld/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[16:44:41] <wickedwicky> I run: nightly ./opensolaris.sh
[16:44:49] <wickedwicky> and I see /usr/sfw/bin/gcc in the log files
[16:44:56] <wickedwicky> where the heck does it get gcc from?
[16:45:05] <seanmcg> gcc is in /usr/sfw/bin
[16:45:20] <seanmcg> the build tools know its there ;)
[16:45:40] <wickedwicky> yes but why use gcc in the tools when it shouldnt?
[16:45:49] <wickedwicky> more than that, how do i tell it to use sunpro?
[16:46:04] <seanmcg> though by default it'll compile things with gcc just to be sure it can compile them. It doesn't use the gcc object files.
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[16:46:58] <seanmcg> It'll use both Sun cc and gcc, have a look at the nightly log to see it using both on every .c file
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[16:47:22] <Tempt> less gcc, more SUNWspro.
[16:47:29] <wickedwicky> ok.. so its safe to assume the answer is "yes"  to wether I use the right compiler or not?
[16:47:48] <seanmcg> whats /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -version say ?
[16:49:14] <Pietro_S> seanmcg: it's cc -V
[16:49:52] <seanmcg> Pietro_S: yup, -version is with java, how did I manage to mix them up ?-)
[16:49:54] <Pietro_S> and it tells: cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 2007/05/03 for studio 12
[16:50:10] <wickedwicky> cc: Sun C 5.9 SunOS_i386 2007/05/03
[16:50:43] <wickedwicky> I'm trying to build ON69 with ON68 as base system
[16:50:58] <seanmcg> ok, then may have to set __SSNEXT= in the opensolaris.sh since you're using studio 12
[16:51:32] <Pietro_S> seanmcg: is ON friendly with studio12?
[16:51:45] <seanmcg> not quite yet...
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[16:53:26] <wickedwicky> so what would you suggest? providing nv68 comes with ss12
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[16:56:02] <seanmcg> See the stdio 11 tools page: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_11_tools
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[16:56:53] <seanmcg> though with the __SSNEXT= setting you may be able to compile with stdio 12, see http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=130779&#130779 for more info
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[16:57:51] <Pietro_S> it's a bit shame that on doesn't build by studio12, it's quite long time being aviable
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[16:59:11] <wickedwicky> I'll gice it a try!
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[16:59:18] <wickedwicky> thanks Pietro and seanmcg
[16:59:23] <wickedwicky> I'll let you know the outcome
[16:59:27] <wickedwicky> heading home now
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[17:06:29] <trygvis> http://www.prestonlee.com/archives/121
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[17:09:35] <seanmcg> Pietro_S: it does with that setting, I think...
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[17:19:31] <cub> if I build a raid-0 out of 2 drives with zfs, I'll lose all data if one disk fails, right ?
[17:19:33] <Pietro_S> good to know, even I'm one of cowards which doen't care about bfu at all ;-)
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[17:20:56] <seanmcg> cub: yes  raid0 (aka stripe) has no redundancy
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[17:23:33] <nemesis> ie. it's not real raid
[17:24:48] <EchoBinary> RAID?! *curls up like a roach and dies*
[17:25:19] <Tempt> BARFF
[17:25:54] <EchoBinary> isnt it baarf?
[17:26:09] <Tempt> Yes, baarf
[17:26:28] <Tempt> Battle Against All RAID F*
[17:26:30] <freakazoid0223> syntax is important
[17:28:10] <Tempt> I'm beginning to think with modern controller architecure that RAID-5 isn't as evil as before.
[17:28:27] <EchoBinary> ok - so as some of you know - i have a (fairly) fresh solaris express dev ed. install. and im more or less a solaris noob. where do i go to make sure samba starts up every boot?
[17:28:46] <seanmcg> EchoBinary: svcadm enable samba
[17:28:49] <seanmcg> ;-)
[17:28:51] <Tempt> Make sure there is a valid config file and the service is enabled.
[17:29:08] <Tempt> no smb.conf = no samba.
[17:29:20] <EchoBinary> /etc/samba/smb.conf?
[17:29:25] <seanmcg> and its in /etc/sfw/smb.conf
[17:29:32] <EchoBinary> sll
[17:29:36] <EchoBinary> ahh*
[17:29:39] <EchoBinary> ok cool
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[17:31:00] <Tempt> I'd still probably build samba from source. Then again, I'm well known for being difficult.
[17:31:59] <oxygene> hmm.. /etc/sfw/smb.conf? shouldn't that be /etc/opt/sfw/smb.conf?
[17:32:28] <Tempt> No.
[17:32:39] <Tempt> samba is installed in /usr/sfw, not /opt/sfw.
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[17:33:39] <seanmcg> should be an example smb.conf-example in /etc/sfw
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[17:41:25] <Teknomancer> for compiling kernel modules, where can we find the kernel sources for solaris ?
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[17:54:56] <Pietro_S> from afs instalation I know that for compiling kenel module you don't need source code of kernel but the source code can be found somewhere at this web: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
[17:57:01] <Teknomancer> Pietro_S:  ok but where are the kernel headers located ?
[17:57:22] <seanmcg> /usr/include/sys ?
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[17:57:34] <Teknomancer> hmm, let me check
[17:57:50] <seanmcg> looking for anything in particular ?
[17:57:57] <richlowe> SUNWhea, for the most part.
[17:58:07] <richlowe> and $UTSBASE/*/sys if you're looking in the source.
[17:58:50] <Teknomancer> seanmcg:  ah no i think those are the ones
[17:58:52] <Teknomancer> thanks
[18:00:31] <CIA-26> ps29005: 6479152 lpadmin form alignment test gets stuck in endless loop
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[18:35:39] <Symmetria> sup
[18:36:07] <Symmetria> heh, gawd solaris is handling soooooooooooooo much better than linux did on my mirror server
[18:36:22] * Symmetria is getting *hammered* right now because of firefox release and heh, solaris is laughing at the load :)
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[18:40:40] <mihaic> Symmetria: Ehem, "getting hammered"? :-)
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[18:41:06] <seanmcg> sounds like a firefox party on somewhere :)
[18:41:15] <Symmetria> heh just heavy load
[18:41:21] <Symmetria> pushing out about 200mbit/second on firefox
[18:41:28] <Symmetria> and considering the update is like, a meg or something big
[18:41:34] <Symmetria> thats a SHITLOAD of hits
[18:43:13] <seanmcg> apache ?  or another webserver ?
[18:44:53] <Symmetria> apache
[18:45:09] <Symmetria>     4911
[18:45:34] <cmihai> Heh, I got a PS2. Damn, those things rock.
[18:45:48] <cmihai> They've gotten quite slim.
[18:46:28] <Teknomancer> the slim one's seem to heat a lot
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[18:47:59] <tomww> Symmetria: go out and write a success story? :-)
[18:48:10] <cmihai> Teknomancer: 2 hours of final fantasy, and it's quite cool.
[18:48:47] <cmihai> I actually put it in a 5'' bay in my system :-)
[18:48:51] <Teknomancer> cmihai: with an ambient temperature of 35 C :) its not so cool here ;P infact it heats up the floor below even
[18:49:03] <cmihai> Teknomancer: 42C here ;P
[18:49:12] <Teknomancer> and it isn't hot?
[18:49:15] <Teknomancer> i don't believe it
[18:49:15] <seanmcg> Symmetria: wanna try this (shows # accepts every 5 secs):  dtrace -n 'syscall::accept:entry{@[probefunc] = count();} tick-5sec{printa(@); clear(@); trunc(@);}'
[18:50:01] <Teknomancer> mine stopped working, the repair guy said the lens has gone kaput and the cause was overheating, though i have no way to verify what he said, he might have been right
[18:50:02] <cmihai> Teknomancer: this looks like the latest revision, and it's quite cool.
[18:50:09] <Teknomancer> ah could be...
[18:50:16] <Symmetria> dtrace: invalid probe specifier syscall::accept:entry{@[probefunc] = count();} tick-5sec{printa(@); clear(@); trunc(@);}: probe description syscall::accept:entry does not match any probes
[18:50:34] <Symmetria> something not quite right there seanmcg
[18:50:36] <cmihai> Teknomancer: and it fits snug tight in a 5'' cdrom bay :P
[18:50:52] <Teknomancer> hmm
[18:50:52] <cmihai> A bit slimmer though, needs support.
[18:51:06] <seanmcg> Symmetria: wrapped in single quotes ?
[18:51:16] <Symmetria> aahh I know why
[18:51:19] <Symmetria> I was in the zone
[18:51:22] <cmihai> Still, it's pretty cool, I use a TV tuner and having the thing IN the PC rocks ;-).
[18:51:27] <cmihai> PC with onboard PS2 hehe
[18:51:43] <Teknomancer> sounds cool
[18:51:46] <Symmetria> sean around 350 to 360 at the moment, but bouncing as high as 600
[18:51:49] <seanmcg> cmihai: did you get 44,000 sterling with it ?-)   http://techdirt.com/articles/20070718/092608.shtml
[18:51:57] <seanmcg> Symmetria: cool
[18:52:24] <cmihai> seanmcg: Jesus fuc...
[18:53:00] <Symmetria> seanmcg how do I make that divide the answer by 5 and in another column show me the average per second over the 5 second tick?
[18:53:03] <Symmetria> so it shows me both?
[18:53:29] <Symmetria> if there is a way to do that :)
[18:56:50] <seanmcg> Symmetria: change the tic probe to be: tick-5sec{printa(@); normalize(@,5); printa(@); clear(@); trunc(@);}
[18:57:32] <seanmcg> the output is messy, but its a one-liners...
[18:57:47] <Symmetria> sweet
[18:57:48] <Symmetria> there we go :)
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[18:59:04] <seanmcg> you may wanna add ...entry/execname=="httpd"/{... to just catch the webservers..  and I don't think it'll take into a/c keepalive's... but hey.
[19:00:35] <CIA-26> ahl: 6576371 Tail-call USDT probes can use wrong argument values
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[19:03:47] <movement> thank you ahl.
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[19:12:25] <MichaelB2> Hello I have a problem with installing solaris 10, I've downloaded the stuff from the sun site, burned it and booted. it saids loading stage 2.. after that it simply shows me 'grub>' instead of something similair to http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=760&image=indiana_sxce_01_lrg  -> is my dvd simply corrupt or ?
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[19:12:50] <wickedwicky> Ellows
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[19:17:25] <MichaelB2> is everyone lurking?
[19:17:32] <wickedwicky> I guess
[19:17:32] <Teknomancer> ...
[19:18:24] <wickedwicky> or having that thingy called real life
[19:18:35] <wickedwicky> still didn't find out about that
[19:18:54] <timeless> symmetria: wow, you're a mozilla.org mirror?
[19:19:01] <Teknomancer> real life... hmmm...
[19:19:04] <Symmetria> timeless yeah
[19:19:14] <Symmetria> brb :) food
[19:19:20] <wickedwicky> eat well
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[19:20:32] <MichaelB2> does anyone have an idea on my question?
[19:20:56] <Teknomancer> MichaelB2:
[19:21:06] <CSFrost> MichaelB2, either your dvd is corrupt, you have the wrong software, or your drive isn't reading properly
[19:21:17] <Teknomancer> MichaelB2:  you need to change your boot order to boot first from your optical drive from your BIOS
[19:21:24] <timeless> linuxape: opera doesn't make a browser ui this ugly
[19:21:32] <Teknomancer> MichaelB2:  it happened to me yesterday
[19:21:47] <Teknomancer> even though other boot-cds booted fine, which still puzzles me
[19:21:48] <CSFrost> You are talking about Solaris 10 though, this is a room for Opensolaris to be honest MichaelB2
[19:22:17] <Teknomancer> heh
[19:22:49] * MichaelB2 starts sweating..
[19:23:12] <Teknomancer> opensolaris looks better than what i previously imagined :P
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[19:23:38] <CSFrost> #1, make sure you have the proper installation media, if your on x86, make sure you have all x86 parts.
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[19:23:59] <wickedwicky> Teknomancer: that was my first thought after starting the JD. I was used to that CDE thingy
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[19:24:48] <wickedwicky> I am trying to rebuild on69 now btw, with the __SSNEXT variable exported
[19:25:09] <Teknomancer> wickedwicky:  i didn't DARE to try CDE
[19:25:10] <timeless> okko; :( i can't find a complaint about that
[19:25:15] <Teknomancer> i chose gnome the moment i saw it
[19:25:32] <MichaelB2> but isn't Solaris based on opensolaris?
[19:25:41] <wickedwicky> one thing that's a real pitty tho is that they left out cups and gnome-printer-manager
[19:25:42] <CSFrost> no
[19:25:43] <Teknomancer> probably the otherway around
[19:25:44] <richlowe> MichaelB2: SX is, yes.
[19:25:57] <wickedwicky> with cups you can access samba/windows shared printers
[19:25:58] <richlowe> 10 predates it.
[19:26:10] <CSFrost> OpenSolaris is based on Solaris, which has things backported from OpenSolaris...
[19:26:19] <richlowe> CSFrost: Solaris is based on OpenSolaris.
[19:26:21] <timeless> incestuous, isn't it? :)
[19:26:25] <richlowe> CSFrost: they build our source, and deliver the binaries.
[19:26:28] <MichaelB2> SX?
[19:26:31] <richlowe> CSFrost: the relationship there is logically clear.
[19:26:54] <CSFrost> richlowe, where did opensolaris code from from originally though? what was it based on?
[19:27:20] <wickedwicky> AT&T Unix and BSD :P
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[19:27:40] <Teknomancer> bye all tis getting late
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[19:27:48] <wickedwicky> take care
[19:27:54] <Teknomancer> cu
[19:27:57] <CSFrost> wickedwicky, so your saying that after BSD and AT&T's versions, opensolaris kernal was released?
[19:27:58] <Teknomancer> nite all
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[19:28:19] <CSFrost> kernel* hrm, I can't spell lately
[19:28:37] <wickedwicky> CSFrost: no, I am saying that the teacher who gave me sysadmin I told me Solaris is derived (spelling) frm AT&T Unix and BSD
[19:29:10] <wickedwicky> afaik: opensolaris uses opened up sources from Solaris, so..
[19:29:38] <cmihai>  wickedwicky he is sort of right, but outdated ;-)
[19:29:47] <cmihai> SunOS is derived from BSD and AT&T code.
[19:29:50] <wickedwicky> he was kinda old, I have to give you that ;-)
[19:29:54] <cmihai> Solaris is System V SVR 4 based
[19:30:05] <trygvis> hm, anyone using solaris to play music over usb sound boxes?
[19:30:31] <CSFrost> wickedwicky, your confusing solaris with opensolaris distributions :-)
[19:30:39] <trygvis> it discovers my box and audioplay works, but for some reason I'm not getting any sound output
[19:30:40] <wickedwicky> cmihai: and again I learnt something new, and then they say IRC is a waste of time
[19:31:00] <cmihai> wickedwicky: here's the fun part: Solaris includes SunOS :-)
[19:31:15] <wickedwicky> I thought Solaris was just a fancy marketting name for SunOS
[19:31:28] <richlowe> Solaris is a fancy marketing name for SunOS+other stuff.
[19:31:29] <cmihai> So Solaris 10 includes SunOS 5.10
[19:31:34] <cmihai> wickedwicky: sort of.
[19:31:39] <cmihai> Solaris is more then just SunOS :-)
[19:31:44] <richlowe> except in the case of Solaris 1.x, in which case it's a fancy marketing name for "confusing customers is fun!"
[19:31:55] <cmihai> hehe
[19:31:56] <Pietro_S> trygvis: over spidf? no problem at all with latet version of oss driver
[19:32:09] <wickedwicky> interesting
[19:32:10] <cmihai> There was a Solaris 1? :P
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[19:32:14] <cmihai> I thought they started at Solaris 2...
[19:32:20] <cmihai> As in SunOS 5
[19:32:26] <trygvis> well, the box has spidf output in addition to 5.1 audio outputs
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[19:33:09] <e^ipi> cmihai: they retroactively named solaris 1.x
[19:33:27] <cmihai> They what now
[19:33:43] <cmihai> I thought the big jump was Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 7 ;P
[19:33:57] <cmihai> To keep things confusing.
[19:34:15] <CSFrost> the next solaris version will carry a java name, to make it real confusing
[19:34:28] <richlowe> cmihai: they retroactively made SunOS 4.1.* "Solaris 1"
[19:34:30] <cmihai> Solaris Web 2.0 :-)
[19:34:39] <cmihai> richlowe: you're kidding
[19:34:52] <cmihai> Sheesh.
[19:35:23] <cmihai> "Make up your minds!" :-)
[19:36:23] <PerterB> he's not kidding
[19:36:44] <wickedwicky> a nice thing about being a sysadmin where I work is that you still see a lot of Sun, even when locked in the office of datacenter
[19:36:44] <Pietro_S> trygvis: try if it's not muted somewhere ...
[19:36:50] <cmihai> PerterB: ah well, so much for consitency.
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[19:37:26] <PerterB> it's sort of consistent in a weird-ass marketting way
[19:37:42] <wickedwicky> then again, marketting is always weird
[19:37:43] <trygvis> where can I see that? I did give -v 100 to audioplay
[19:39:13] <Pietro_S> trygvis: what about osstest?
[19:39:37] <trygvis> is that an add-on?
[19:40:55] <Pietro_S> it's in oss in main package, but you are probably use driver which is bundled in sxce, right?
[19:41:20] <trygvis> yep
[19:41:33] <trygvis> the problem is that this installation is still a bit messed up after it failed after the first CD
[19:41:48] <Pietro_S> ah
[19:41:59] <trygvis> but I'm downloading oss now
[19:42:42] <trygvis> it discovered the USB device at least
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[19:42:55] <Pietro_S> good luck
[19:43:51] <trygvis> *** All tests completed OK ***
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[19:50:03] <MichaelB8> alright I'm downloading SX CE.
[19:51:52] <trygvis> woot! it works!
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[19:52:13] <slowhog> is gnupg available for nv? Seems like it is not included in CCD project nor anywhere else.
[19:52:26] <trygvis> blastwave has it
[19:52:34] <coffman> pmpkg has it
[19:52:44] <trygvis> now for the next step on the program: getting mpd to work
[19:52:54] <coffman> mpd?
[19:53:33] <coffman> multi player daemon?
[19:53:38] <coffman> aeh
[19:53:41] <coffman> music
[19:53:46] <trygvis> yep
[19:54:52] <wickedwicky> time to make a cappucino
[19:54:52] <coffman> trygvis: sun audio or oss?
[19:55:01] <slowhog> I am shying away from blastwave because it introduce dependencies sometimes duplicate to what is available, has that improved?
[19:55:58] <trygvis> just got oss working, sun audio found the device and it seemed to be working but I didn't get any sound
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[19:56:44] <coffman> trygvis: i have build it with gcc and configureopt --enable-ao for letting it use libao as sound output
[19:57:00] <coffman> it is is pmpkg ofc
[19:57:21] <coffman> i think it is also in the spec extra repro
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[19:59:21] <trygvis> hm, coolio
[19:59:26] <trygvis> I'll package it for blastwave then
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[20:02:16] <coffman> trygvis: default is with oss and with alsa, via libao it works with sun-audio, you maybe aswell want to depend on libmad,flac and vorbis or so
[20:02:59] <trygvis> makes sense
[20:04:07] <wickedwicky> I am actually amazed by the hardware support in opensolaris, in a positive way
[20:04:29] <trygvis> me too
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[20:04:38] <coffman> btw oss, is oss going to replace sun audio?
[20:04:39] <trygvis> also, when it first is supported it just works
[20:05:16] <wickedwicky> my D-link PCMCIA wifi card got detected and was useable "out of the box" , my Intel Pro/100, I just had to add an extra line to the /etc/driver_aliases file, USB works, Nvidia support, card reader
[20:05:58] <wickedwicky> trygvis: different from other OS-es that change their APIs or code from one version to the other and then break stuff
[20:06:07] <trygvis> yep
[20:06:27] <CSFrost> was it just a solaris user group meeting yesterday at Sun's new york office, or an osug?
[20:06:32] <wickedwicky> I am just wondering if my PCTV card will work under Solaris
[20:06:51] <wickedwicky> CSFrost, dunno, I live in Old Amsterdam, not new Amsterdam ;-)
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[20:08:44] <Symmetria> heh
[20:08:49] <Symmetria> man I love solaris
[20:09:18] <sommerfeld> CSFrost: the steam pipe explosion that was all over the news was near sun's midtown office (in 101 park ave)
[20:09:31] <CSFrost> yea, I was on park ave in the morning...
[20:09:45] <CSFrost> which I would have stuck around for the user group if I knew :-P
[20:10:12] <sommerfeld> one of the news stories quoted someone from another company in that building who said rocks hit their window
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[20:10:28] <coffman> cool
[20:11:11] * bigjohnto slaps CSFrost around a bit with a large trout
[20:11:26] <CSFrost> I didn't pay attention much to it.. since it was after I left.. but I noticed someone had blogged that there was also a usergroup meeting..
[20:11:31] <wickedwicky> carefull with the fish
[20:11:40] <Fish> yes
[20:11:45] <wickedwicky> lol
[20:11:46] <bigjohnto> CSFrost, you said you liked fish lol
[20:12:07] <CSFrost> usually raw, but not that raw..
[20:12:12] <Fish> CSFrost: I like you too
[20:12:15] <wickedwicky> HAHA
[20:12:16] <CSFrost> lol
[20:12:19] <bigjohnto> lol
[20:12:53] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, speaking of that though.. what is steam used for in the summertime?
[20:12:56] <bigjohnto> I just purchased "The Ugly Stick" (fishing rod) and an "Abu Garcia" reel
[20:13:05] <bigjohnto> how do you like that for solaris talk
[20:13:31] <wickedwicky> are they sparc driven?
[20:13:37] <CSFrost> yea, but did you get a hammock yet bigjohnto?
[20:13:52] <sparvu> evening everyone
[20:13:58] <wickedwicky> hellows sparvu
[20:14:17] <sparvu> anyone any ideas: I have got a Maxtor 1TB external storage
[20:14:18] <coffman> CSFrost: they use it for cooling (no shit)
[20:14:35] <sparvu> would it work with Solaris Nevada, build 64a ?
[20:14:45] <sparvu> USB or firewire
[20:14:46] <coffman> sparvu: im so sorry for you? did you lost data? :P
[20:15:16] <coffman> sparvu: "should work" both, usb for sure
[20:15:38] <bigjohnto> no ... no hammock
[20:15:40] <CSFrost> coffman, cooling? really? cooling what?
[20:15:43] <sparvu> I have to try
[20:16:00] <sparvu> thx. Maxtor OneTouch III Turba Edition 1TB :)
[20:16:12] <coffman> sparvu: i have 3 external disk, one maxtor and it works via usb
[20:16:13] <CSFrost> wouldn't cold water be much better for cooling?
[20:16:18] <sparvu> s/Turba/Turbo
[20:16:47] <coffman> CSFrost: you can make cold out of hot
[20:16:53] <sommerfeld> using steam to power the compressors in their A/C instead of electricity?
[20:16:57] <wickedwicky> House in 16 mins
[20:17:16] <CSFrost> coffman, yes. yes you can.. but you have to cool it..
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[20:18:05] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, hrm, I thought most if not all large compressors were on propane and natural gas now, I of course could be extremely wrong
[20:18:30] <CSFrost> I just know every once in a while one of the steam pipes goes, and it's almost always in the summer, and it usually does a ton of damage..
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[20:21:05] <CSFrost> no reports of people being without "steam" today either..
[20:21:31] <sparvu> The storage comes as NTFS, I hope I can see some device after I plug that to my USB
[20:21:34] <coffman> CSFrost, sommerfeld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_jet_cooling
[20:22:00] <coffman> sparvu: no ntfs on solaris
[20:22:12] <sparvu> yeah, I know. I hope to see something in rmformat or format
[20:22:22] <sparvu> if not Im doomed
[20:22:30] <coffman> should come, yes
[20:22:43] <sparvu> lets see
[20:23:41] <sparvu> doesnt look good.
[20:23:49] <CSFrost> coffman, I can't help but think it would be more cost effective to just pump water into the places that need it, to make their own steam..
[20:23:53] <sparvu> rmformat takes ages, and finds only my DVD drive
[20:23:58] <sparvu> :(
[20:24:02] <coffman> otherwise let it be a lesson to buy from maxtor :P
[20:24:05] <sparvu> format the same
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[20:24:13] <coffman> firewire?
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[20:24:32] <sparvu> now the storage is set on USB.
[20:24:51] <sparvu> Im not sure if Solaris supports external storage via firewire...
[20:25:00] <sommerfeld> CSFrost: given they have a steam distribution network in place for heating, it was clearly an appropriate hack to also use the same network for cooling
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[20:25:19] <sparvu> SCSI transport failed: reason 'timeout': giving up
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[20:25:25] <wickedwicky> ugh
[20:25:27] <wickedwicky> sparvu
[20:25:34] <wickedwicky> there is a way to access ntfs
[20:25:37] <wickedwicky> read-only though
[20:25:45] <sommerfeld> (IIRC steam is generated as a byproduct of electrical generation and would otherwise be waste heat)
[20:25:52] <sparvu> Im just tryoing to format this thing as ZFS
[20:25:53] <wickedwicky> sourceforge.net/projects/ntfs-mount
[20:26:02] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, you have a point.. they would do something like that.. heh, even though probably 29 out of 30 explosions from pipes blasting away happen in the summer :-)
[20:26:03] <sparvu> but I need to get a device first visible in Solaris
[20:26:16] * coffman always wonders how some one could fuck up usb or firewire masstorage
[20:26:25] <sparvu> anyone: firewire would work in snv_b64a ?
[20:26:59] <wickedwicky> coffman: by putting 220 on the USB port?
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[20:27:14] <coffman> sparvu: is it a multi harddisk device?
[20:27:16] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, yea it is a byproduct, and would be wasted if they didn't have a steam generator onsite to suck the power back into their system :-)
[20:27:57] <sparvu> coffman: think so, dunno exactly. I bet it is - a big box
[20:28:37] <sparvu> supports RAID 0,1 says works only with win|Mac
[20:28:48] <sparvu> I hope I can see the drives in Solaris
[20:29:15] <sparvu> http://www.maxtorsolutions.com/en/ToolBox/Product_Grid/index.html
[20:29:22] <wickedwicky> prolly some wacked out raid-in-driver RAID solution
[20:29:23] <sparvu> Turbo Edition
[20:31:25] <sommerfeld> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogeneration
[20:35:36] <CSFrost> ahah, nice find sommerfeld
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[20:39:38] <CSFrost> evidently they use it for power also in the city.. not sure where, but somewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_steam_system
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[20:43:28] <wickedwicky> I think in some cities here they use steam for central heating
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[20:53:29] <coffman> quite common in rusia and other areas where they build cities from the ground up in the last 70 years
[20:56:23] <CSFrost> I'd be a bit weary of laying lines in areas close to public traffic though..
[20:56:36] <CSFrost> I see that their main lines are 80' below the surface
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[21:00:51] <sickness> look at the favicon of that page ;P
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[21:11:27] <Plazma_Work> coffman !
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[21:13:44] <wickedwicky> a couple of years ago they decided it would be a good idea to put the gas pipes in the canals here, easy for maintenance or something. Till last year a dragger cleaned out the canal to get rid of mud and plants
[21:14:29] <CSFrost> heh
[21:14:32] <pizdec> CSFrost, yes there was a Solaris Sun User Meeting yesterday, and Opensolaris meeting somwhere in Manhattand the day before. I had attended only yesterday's event
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[21:15:04] <pizdec> I wish they would have let us known about Opensolaris meeting over sun's channels
[21:15:34] <pizdec> I believe there is another Sun User Meeting in NJ today
[21:15:39] <Plazma_Work> i wish we had a sun user group :/
[21:15:42] <pizdec> with same subj/presentation
[21:15:43] <CSFrost> yea, I would have showed up for atleast one if I had known.. I am not in the user group or anything.. but I had to be down there for two days this week (atleast)
[21:16:38] <CSFrost> NJ would be out of the way.. I'd pretty much just have gone for support and to be friendly :-)
[21:16:57] <pizdec> This 07/07 presentation of U4 was less exciting then 11/06 presentation of U3 , as U3 had ZFS and LDOMS and such, and yesterday we got presentation on new language - Fortress
[21:17:09] <CSFrost> besides, my transportation was paid so that was my main reason :-)
[21:17:12] <Plazma_Work> i just want to meet fellow sun users/admins and have a few beers with
[21:17:23] <pizdec> where are you Plazma_Work
[21:17:37] <Plazma_Work> 2 hours south of chicago
[21:17:45] <pizdec> hm
[21:17:52] <Plazma_Work> for now anyway
[21:17:59] <pizdec> i see
[21:18:28] <CSFrost> I am between 1 hour and 6 hours north of NY.. so it would be very similar...
[21:18:39] <pizdec> the best place to hang out with other sysadmins in my history was when i was working for Taos Consulting
[21:19:08] <pizdec> they threw paries for consultants to get together and exchange horror/war stories
[21:19:25] <Plazma_Work> yea thats what im looking for, and LAN parties :)
[21:19:28] <pizdec> oh well, the days of dto.commies
[21:19:38] <pizdec> dto/dot
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[21:21:50] <CSFrost> shh, don't let uncle sam hear you talking about our commie conventions
[21:21:55] <palowoda> pizdec: How long where you working for Taos?
[21:22:46] <CSFrost> I need a nap, I'll return later..
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[21:26:11] <pizdec> later CSFrost
[21:26:20] <pizdec> palowoda, 99'-01'
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[21:26:48] <pizdec> palowoda, two years almost exactly in nyc
[21:27:03] <palowoda> cool, I was the lucky 13th employee back in 92.
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[21:30:36] <palowoda> I wonder what Alexis and Rick are up to these days.
[21:31:33] <pizdec> i bet they are doing just fine
[21:31:51] <pizdec> i think i was like #8 employee in nyc :)
[21:31:59] <pizdec> in terms of order of course
[21:32:19] <pizdec> there are some ex-taosers on linkedin that i found
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[21:33:52] <bashusr> communist.
[21:34:03] <bashusr> i just set off 1000 flags at the NSA
[21:34:04] * alanc did a 8-month contract at SunService via Taos many many years ago
[21:34:11] <EchoBinary> is etc/resolv.conf the place to put name serves?
[21:34:25] <bashusr> the internet monitors are now reading our conversation as we speak
[21:34:29] <alanc> EchoBinary: if they are DNS name servers, yes
[21:34:32] <bashusr> and tracing my IP to where i live...
[21:34:38] <pizdec> bashusr, stfu silly
[21:34:49] <alanc> make sure you listed "dns" in /etc/nsswitch.conf for hosts though
[21:35:07] <bashusr> yes sir.
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[21:37:17] <pizdec> i wish zfs root/boot was ready, and zfs root over san, and xen
[21:38:08] <palowoda> What say 3 months?
[21:38:11] <wesolows> zfs root/boot works fine now
[21:38:19] <richlowe> you just have to do it by hand.
[21:38:22] <richlowe> or use lori's install bits.
[21:38:25] <wesolows> or use a non-solaris installer
[21:38:30] <richlowe> (are the public copies of those being updated?)
[21:38:37] <palowoda> Oh that is fun.
[21:38:42] <wesolows> xen, well, I guess I don't see the point.
[21:38:47] <pizdec> i mean in Solaris 10 U4
[21:38:59] <richlowe> oh, sod 10.
[21:39:09] <palowoda> Yeah right like S10 is a good topic around here.
[21:39:26] <richlowe> the eternal release.
[21:39:31] <pizdec> true, i shut up
[21:39:38] <pizdec> this is opensolaris
[21:40:35] <sommerfeld> no, nevada is the eternal release
[21:44:19] <bashusr> we'll get over 10 someday and go to 11...
[21:44:22] <bashusr> it's just a matter of time...
[21:44:29] <palowoda> Besides that everybody knows that zfs boot once integrated will go through several builds of nevada testing before even the slightest inclination of an S10 update.
[21:45:14] <wickedwicky> le big moment
[21:45:31] <wickedwicky> I am gonna destroy Linux and install opensolaris on my Athlon server
[21:45:32] <wickedwicky> wish me luck
[21:45:43] <palowoda> bashusr: So why are you on a opensolaris irc?
[21:46:16] <EchoBinary> hmmm  i can ping around my network, but cant resolve the internet, the DNS in my resolv.conf is correct, the nameservers are up..    any ideas?
[21:46:19] <wickedwicky> palowoda: morenas/hot chicks prolly
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[21:46:37] <alanc> what little sanity was left in our marketing folks is being driven out by all the customers who bitch to them "There's too much change going into S10 Updates!   Why don't S10 updates have ZFS boot/Xen/GNOME 2.16/insert-favorite-feature-here?"
[21:46:46] <wickedwicky> EchoBinary: cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf && /etc/init.d/nscd stop && /etc/init.d/nscd start
[21:46:51] <elijahwright> LOL
[21:46:56] <elijahwright> poor marketroids.  :(
[21:47:27] <alanc> everyone wants their favorite feature backported to S10, but nothing else
[21:47:35] <elijahwright> always beset by ridiculons.....
[21:47:36] <palowoda> Sun has what is called virtual marketing.
[21:47:50] <palowoda> It doesn't really exist.
[21:48:03] <elijahwright> mmm, frankly i kinda like the way the u2/u3 updates went.  smoothly.
[21:49:06] <EchoBinary> wickedwicky: thanks! that worked like a charm.  now - what did that do exactly? lol
[21:49:43] <wickedwicky> well
[21:50:03] <wickedwicky> during the installation you told the installer what type of name resolution you wanted to do
[21:50:18] <wickedwicky> this is administered by the nsswitch.conf file
[21:50:23] <wickedwicky> have a look in the file
[21:50:38] <wickedwicky> you'll see a line saying: hosts: dns files
[21:50:41] <wickedwicky> something like that
[21:51:11] <wickedwicky> it tells nscd (name service cache daemon) to look first in DNS, then in files (for name service resoltion /etc/hosts)
[21:51:21] <EchoBinary> ahh hgotcha
[21:51:28] <EchoBinary> thanks :)
[21:51:31] <wickedwicky> for every change made in the file (or copying it over) you have to restart the daemon
[21:52:08] <wickedwicky> when you use ldap for example, you change the same file accordingly
[21:52:12] <palowoda> So Echo and wicked have you tried the network settings in the gnome control panel?
[21:52:32] <wickedwicky> palowoda: I always edit files manualy
[21:53:04] <palowoda> wickedwicky: Than you think Sun should remove the gnome network settings?
[21:53:06] <coffman> what you wanted to do is svcadm disable name-service-cache
[21:53:08] <wickedwicky> the only reason I use X is for many terminals and firefox
[21:53:11] <richlowe> palowoda: Yes.
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[21:53:18] <richlowe> Or was that rhetorical?
[21:53:38] <palowoda> rhetorical.
[21:53:56] <palowoda> We are out to train the common man.
[21:54:01] <wickedwicky> palowoda: what's your point exactly? cause I am missing it
[21:54:25] <palowoda> wickedwicky: You didn't mention that new feature of opensolaris.
[21:54:33] <richlowe> palowoda: with multiple different, slightly broken, ways to do the same basic thing?
[21:54:38] <wickedwicky> oh
[21:54:58] <richlowe> there's a lesson in there, certainly, but it's not one you generally *choose* to teach your users.
[21:55:01] <wickedwicky> palowoda, there is asimple reason for that, I use opensolaris for only a week now or so :P
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[21:55:37] <wickedwicky> and all our servers at work run Solaris 8 or 9, so I am not really familiar with svcadm yet, I knew /etc/init.d/nscd would work, and I wanted to help the guy
[21:56:08] <palowoda> wickedwicky:  But Solaris 8 and 9 are not what the future is.
[21:56:35] <wickedwicky> I know that, but when I give an answer I want to give an answer that works
[21:57:26] <e^ipi> holy crap, i can't accomplish the most basic of tasks on VMS
[21:57:30] <e^ipi> awesome
[21:57:33] <elijahwright> they really should remove that /etc/init.d/nscd script.  all it does is wrap svcadm anyway.
[21:57:36] <e^ipi> where can I get a vax?
[21:57:41] <alanc> the future is NWAM, not the gnome network settings control panel
[21:57:46] <elijahwright> i heart vaxen.
[21:58:10] <palowoda> Is NWAM complete yet?
[21:58:20] <alanc> elijahwright: scripts like that were left in /etc/init.d when there was existing documentation or scripts that called them, so compatibility would be broken if they just got deleted
[21:58:42] <alanc> NWAM phase 0 is in, so I assume they're working on phase 1
[21:58:51] <elijahwright> alanc: i know, but getting rid of it ASAP would still be nice.  :-)
[21:58:56] <pizdec> palowoda, yes, i think customers should have say in evolution of opensolaris. yes, i think opensolaris should have some of the bill gates' and redhat business. yes i think opensolaris is better suited of taking over the world than osx - it's the pretty graphics that sell millions of computers
[21:59:02] <elijahwright> (and i see the wisdom of leaving it alone for a while, too)
[21:59:22] <pizdec> jsut like gaming is the drive behind video cards progress
[21:59:47] <pizdec> \end of rant
[22:00:12] <e^ipi> is it just me, or is PC gaming slowing down?
[22:00:17] <coffman> wickedwicky: aehm, on opensolaris there is no running /etc/init.d/nscd anymore (sure the file is there)
[22:00:25] <EchoBinary> palowoda: i was trying it through gnome, it wasnt working
[22:00:31] <CIA-26> qiao: 6472192 panic in cv_wait when exiting a process
[22:00:35] <coffman> e^ipi: your computer gets old, thats all :P
[22:00:51] <palowoda> EchoBinary: Gnome works for me.
[22:00:52] <e^ipi> no, i meant slowing down as in less games worth buying
[22:01:23] <coffman> e^ipi: pah, that started with pong!
[22:01:42] <coffman> long time ago i started a new game
[22:02:06] <coffman> im waiting for quake wars!
[22:02:16] <sickness> yeah, I'm waiting for it too! =)
[22:02:26] <sickness> (but I still enjoy a good 1942 lan party >;)
[22:02:39] <e^ipi> that's when Sun and AT&T start one game and HP, SGI and DEC start another, and then Microsoft wins?
[22:03:02] <coffman> i played quake wars _last_ year on the game convention (germany)
[22:03:22] <wickedwicky> oh god
[22:03:34] <palowoda> yes?
[22:03:44] <wickedwicky> Solaris is mangling my controller order
[22:03:53] <palowoda> Old news.
[22:03:54] <sickness> coffman: oh, it was already out?
[22:04:05] <wickedwicky> I have like, 10 controllers
[22:04:17] <coffman> sickness: no, but i was in the "back room"
[22:04:20] <wickedwicky> ah well, what's the fun in easy
[22:04:29] <coffman> 12 vs 12 lan they had there :P
[22:04:34] <sickness> cute
[22:04:54] <coffman> killer
[22:05:25] <wickedwicky> palowoda: are you really god? I pray to you ever night, please hear them
[22:06:06] <coffman> i tried to atach a external disk, but all ports where sealed :/
[22:06:15] <palowoda> wickedwicky: Wait a minute I didn't get your 49.95 check in the mail.
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[22:07:26] <wickedwicky> oh :( I'll wait then I guess
[22:07:39] <palowoda> So are you running opensolaris?
[22:07:44] <wickedwicky> yup
[22:07:47] <wickedwicky> on my laptop
[22:07:51] <palowoda> cool.
[22:08:03] <wickedwicky> and right now I am laying out filesystems on my server
[22:08:24] <wickedwicky> 120GB primary harddisk and +/1 2TB devided over 10 SATA/ATA disks
[22:08:40] <wickedwicky> how big would you make /export ?
[22:08:44] <sickness> cool, take a pic!
[22:09:30] <palowoda> Make it all of the 2TB with zfs.
[22:09:41] <wickedwicky> I wanna do that
[22:09:46] <sickness> indeed
[22:09:57] <coffman> wickedwicky: so why you think about export?
[22:10:04] <wickedwicky> no idea
[22:10:18] <wickedwicky> I basicly lack coffee
[22:10:19] <wickedwicky> hold on
[22:10:35] <coffman> wickedwicky: make one partition for root
[22:10:44] <coffman> not more then 10gb
[22:10:49] <palowoda> He's got a seprate boot drive.
[22:11:01] <coffman> some for swap
[22:11:03] <wickedwicky> the disk is 120GBs
[22:11:13] <coffman> hm
[22:11:14] <palowoda> So that is 50.00 these days.
[22:11:15] <wickedwicky> and if I read the documentation right then ZFS over slices is not recomended
[22:11:50] <coffman> wickedwicky: still make one root 15gb and a second root same sice for lu
[22:11:55] <sickness> oh make more partitions to do liveupgrades later ;)
[22:11:58] <coffman> 2gb swap or so
[22:12:28] <palowoda> Make it 4gb what the heck.
[22:12:33] <sickness> yeah :)
[22:12:38] <bashusr> hey... i'm installing solaris on a new computer and i am pretty sure the network card is missing a driver
[22:12:47] <bashusr> where can i start troubleshooting?
[22:12:48] <REllin1> ZFS works fine on slices
[22:12:49] <sickness> bashusr: not uncommon...
[22:12:51] <coffman> wickedwicky: for the 10 other drivers you would like to remove all labels/partions of it and hand them over to the zpool barebone
[22:12:56] <e^ipi> bashusr: which card?
[22:12:59] <bashusr> sickness: i have no le0
[22:13:07] <bashusr> e^ipi: a builtin card
[22:13:12] <sickness> bashusr: /usr/X11R6/bin/scanpci
[22:13:15] <e^ipi> okay, but which one?
[22:13:30] <bashusr> e^ipi: i'm looking it up
[22:13:31] <REllin1> le0?  are you sure?
[22:13:34] <bashusr> it's an HP thin client
[22:13:43] <sickness> what's the pci id?
[22:13:48] <bashusr> REllin1: there is nothing but lo0
[22:13:49] <EchoBinary> is there a command similar to "locate"?
[22:13:54] <coffman> wickedwicky: zfs will also work on slices, but then you will have no caching - its the option when you have no dedicated root disc
[22:14:03] <sickness> EchoBinary: find?
[22:14:08] <wickedwicky> okies
[22:14:17] <REllin1> ok, le (Lance ethernet) is long dead and buried.
[22:14:27] <bashusr> sickness: i'm looking
[22:14:37] <sickness> maybe murayama drivers or gdamore drivers...
[22:14:54] <richlowe> I think garrett's are all in Nevada now.
[22:15:14] <sickness> richlowe: cooool, didn't know that! would be so handy to include even murayama's!
[22:15:22] <bashusr> pice bus 0x003f cardnum 0x00 function 0x00: vendor 0x14e4 device 0x167b Broadcom Corportation Device unknown
[22:15:26] <sickness> bashusr: have you tried booting a belenix livecd? ;)
[22:15:38] <bashusr> sickness: i don't have one with me right now :(
[22:15:44] <e^ipi> ugh... broadcom
[22:15:50] <sickness> Broad-puke-com
[22:15:51] <sickness> :/
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[22:17:01] <palowoda> Wait a minute I have that broadcom for bge in build 67 for driver_aliases.
[22:18:46] <palowoda> bashusr: What version are you using?
[22:19:03] <sickness> yeah me too in snv68, it's the last one bge "pciex14e4,167b"
[22:19:22] <sickness> bashusr: do a: cat /etc/driver_aliases  |grep bge
[22:19:28] <UberDuper> So how much CPU does zfs need?
[22:19:39] <palowoda> 1 percent
[22:19:50] <sickness> in my experience, not much, but really depends on your usage...
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[22:19:55] <e^ipi> it's mostly just picky about ram & address space
[22:19:57] <bashusr> e^ipi: Broadcom 5755 Gigabit Ethernet integrated on system board
[22:19:59] <UberDuper> My 4 1TB disk raidz was writing at ~130MB/sec and it pegged the cpu.
[22:20:08] <UberDuper> Using a athlon64 2.4Ghz cpu
[22:20:12] <bashusr> so i should throw in another NIC shouldn't i....
[22:21:33] <UberDuper> This was on fbsd tho so I dunno if there's performance issues in the implementation.
[22:21:37] <wickedwicky> http://jake.ruivo.org/~patrick/IMG_2360.jpg
[22:21:43] <wickedwicky> that's the machine I am installing now
[22:21:52] <UberDuper> Can't really test with solaris on this hardware.
[22:22:07] <palowoda> what is fbsd?
[22:22:14] <palowoda> oh freebsd
[22:23:07] <UberDuper> Hoping someone could give me an idea of cpu usage should be writing that fast.
[22:23:28] <palowoda> Try opensolaris see if you have the same problem.
[22:23:40] <sickness> wickedwicky: are you seriously going to keep the disks in that way? =)
[22:23:57] <wickedwicky> no
[22:24:28] <UberDuper> I can't test solaris on this hardware cause my sata controller is 3ware.
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[22:25:05] <palowoda> It could even be a 3ware driver bug too.
[22:25:06] <wickedwicky> a friend of mine who doesnt have two left hands like me is making me some sort of tower, where I can stack the disks in
[22:25:36] <sickness> cool
[22:25:38] <UberDuper> I'd be surprised. 3ware controllers are pretty solid on fbsd.
[22:25:51] <palowoda> Not with your configuration.
[22:26:01] <UberDuper> And using the controller for raid5 I get ~190MB/sec writes.
[22:26:02] <wickedwicky>  they did some fancy hacking around bugs in the driver
[22:26:13] <wickedwicky> or - they
[22:26:18] <UberDuper> At about 10% system time.
[22:26:33] <sickness> wickedwicky: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2007-May/040535.html
[22:28:02] <wickedwicky> *gasp*
[22:28:04] <wickedwicky> a pr0n server
[22:28:11] <wickedwicky> lookfs nifty!
[22:29:12] <EchoBinary> i just set up a raidz2 with 5 1TB disks last night
[22:29:17] <coffman> wickedwicky: omf ... mount that disk!
[22:29:17] <EchoBinary> it was rough
[22:29:22] <EchoBinary> cuz im a noob
[22:29:35] <coffman> UberDuper: 64bit system?
[22:29:36] <sickness> wickedwicky: :)
[22:29:44] <wickedwicky> coffman: I took those three disks out (the ones not mounted)
[22:30:18] <coffman> wickedwicky: what kind of controller are that disks on?
[22:30:50] <wickedwicky> Silimage sata / promise IDE / via82xx IDE / SilImage IDE
[22:30:59] <UberDuper> coffman: Yes.
[22:31:08] <EchoBinary> does zfs come with that web asmin daemon running by default?
[22:31:12] <EchoBinary> admin*
[22:31:28] <palowoda> Which model SilImage chipset for the SATA?
[22:31:57] <wickedwicky> em, can I see that somehow during installation? What I can tell you is that they get detected
[22:32:36] <palowoda> /usr/X11/bin/scanpci  you should see the model of sata chips
[22:32:54] <wickedwicky> 3512
[22:32:56] <coffman> EchoBinary: nope, yes but you have to activate it, if you really want it
[22:33:05] <EchoBinary> ahh
[22:33:06] <palowoda> ah
[22:33:10] <EchoBinary> lol
[22:33:30] <coffman> its java...
[22:33:50] <palowoda> Is this SilImage and extra addin card?  If so which manufacture?
[22:34:00] <wickedwicky> 3112 and 3512 actually
[22:34:32] <UberDuper> Why would you need a web admin tool for zfs?
[22:34:35] <wickedwicky> one is onboard on my Gigabyte 7vaxp ultra motherboard
[22:34:42] <wickedwicky> and one is an addon card
[22:35:06] <coffman> sickness: i think your system stinks, low space and a 4 port controller on a "normal" pci slot
[22:35:09] <coffman> :P
[22:35:23] <palowoda> I'm interested in the 3512 card who makes it?
[22:35:46] <coffman> palowoda: about every thai vendor? :P
[22:35:47] <wickedwicky> it's by some obscure brand called "Sweex"
[22:36:08] <palowoda> thanks
[22:36:09] <sickness> coffman: I'm a cheap azz, I built the lower priced system possible, but still, I benefit from zfs manageability and data protection >:)
[22:36:16] <wickedwicky> it's very popular here in the netherlands, they make relatively cheap products but with quality
[22:36:17] <gdamore> note: my drivers are not yet in nevada.
[22:36:26] <gdamore> and some of murayama's are going there too.
[22:36:29] <jbk> afternoon
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[22:36:54] <coffman> bashusr: did you really wrote thin client?
[22:37:07] <sickness> gdamore: really good news :)
[22:38:13] <gdamore> anyway, the broadcom 5755 should be supported, I'd think.  maybe bnx?
[22:38:44] <wickedwicky> palowoda: the 3112 is the onboard one, the 3512 is the add-on
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[22:40:46] <runelind> hello everyone :)
[22:41:30] <wickedwicky> ello
[22:41:39] <coffman> sickness: dont that board have pci-e ports?
[22:42:27] <sommerfeld> gdamore: you may want to look at 6582429
[22:42:28] <sickness> coffman: yeah, do pci-e controllers that work with sxce exist?
[22:43:14] <coffman> sickness: i think so, there are silcon image ones that work nice enough
[22:43:38] <sickness> coffman: really?
[22:43:47] <sickness> I'll search for one :)
[22:45:29] <gdamore> sommerfeld: I tried suspend/resume on my blade 100 ... it worked fine.
[22:45:36] <gdamore> nic stayed up and everything.
[22:45:42] <gdamore> but I didn't remove power in the middle.
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[22:46:13] <UberDuper> There any recommended sata controllers for solaris?
[22:46:21] <sommerfeld> Hmm.  That might be part of it.
[22:46:30] <sickness> UberDuper: marvell ones...
[22:46:41] <UberDuper> Marvell makes sata controllers?
[22:46:51] <the-decider> and comic books
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[22:47:24] <sickness> lol
[22:47:33] <palowoda> SilImage 3124 pci-e cards work but this has to be fixed first: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6566207   Well it's to be fixed in build 70.
[22:47:36] <the-decider> you totally knew that was coming.
[22:49:50] <UberDuper> Are the sil port multipliers supported?
[22:49:56] <coffman> palowoda: hm, 3124 is a pci-x chipset
[22:50:16] <runelind> if I'm an end user just wanting to use ZFS, is opensolaris for me, if so, should I get the community or the developer edition?  Is there a FAQ somewhere on this?  Sorry for the newbish questions :)
[22:50:27] <coffman> sickness: there are only 2 port pci-e chipsets from sil atm
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[22:52:50] <UberDuper> Addonics sells a 4 port pciE using the sil 3124 chipset
[22:52:55] <UberDuper> For... $200
[22:53:49] <quasi> ouch, expensive
[22:54:02] <UberDuper> The 2 port is $40
[22:54:28] <quasi> supermicro has an 8port for ~100
[22:54:29] <UberDuper> Does anyone know if the silimage sata port multipliers are supported by solaris?
[22:54:35] <sommerfeld> runelind: community edition is a snapshot of ongoing development; new version comes out every ~2 weeks.
[22:55:01] <quasi> UberDuper: last I checked the man page, it said that they weren't supported
[22:55:08] <richlowe> except for 70, which will probably take a month.
[22:55:38] <UberDuper> That makes me sad.
[22:55:53] <quasi> UberDuper: it may have changed since then
[22:56:03] <UberDuper> I'm trying to track down the chip #
[22:56:52] <runelind> sommerfeld: so is there a more "stable" version?
[22:56:57] <runelind> that has less bleeding edge stuff
[22:57:25] <runelind> we are looking to see if zfs is right for us in our company
[22:58:18] <sommerfeld> developer edition comes out about once a quarter.  same contents as the community edition; last couple builds before the developer edition come out are bugfix only
[22:58:43] <alanc> richlowe: yeah, I'm waiting to see how many respins will be needed for Dwarf Caiman in 70...
[22:58:46] <runelind> ah, excellent :)
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[22:59:00] <coffman> UberDuper: that card is pci-x not pci-e
[22:59:04] <richlowe> alanc: where do we place bets? :)
[22:59:05] <UberDuper> Ah. It's the SiL3726
[22:59:31] <UberDuper> coffman: http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/adsa3gpx8-4em.asp
[22:59:38] <richlowe> alanc: though, really, respinning for that doesn't bother me in the least.
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[22:59:55] <richlowe> alanc: it's playing silly buggers and screwing up our ON snapshots that annoys me.
[23:00:16] <alanc> haven't seen anything yet that will cause that
[23:00:24] <coffman> UberDuper: there is no pci-e
[23:00:27] <alanc> but since the ON gate hasn't closed, I suppose I wouldn't
[23:00:42] <quasi> UberDuper: probably costing 3 times normal for the Mac label
[23:00:50] <wickedwicky> I have a question for the ZFS gurus here.. we have two SE3510s for a project, both set up with RAID5+ , every SE3510 is a submirror created for a mirror, created with SVM. Thought behind this is that they wanna be able to lose an entire SE3510 and still access the data. Can they achieve this with ZFS and get rid of SVM on top of the RAID5+ ?
[23:00:54] <richlowe> alanc: at this point, it's probably best to try and find reasons it *wouldn't*
[23:01:07] <UberDuper> coffman: I didn't make it. I'm just point you to it.
[23:02:21] <richlowe> stevel: hey, happen to know what the quotas on cr.o.o are?
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[23:02:34] <richlowe> (croo? surely there's something that forms a word that could have been used)
[23:02:57] <stevel> i'm not sure, dp runs that pretty autonomously
[23:03:06] <sommerfeld> wickedwicky: yes.
[23:03:11] <richlowe> stevel: well, that's good, really.
[23:03:18] <stevel> (which is great for us on the ops team)
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[23:03:20] <sommerfeld> wickedwicky: create a zfs mirror of the two 3510 LUNs
[23:03:51] <coffman> UberDuper: looks quite okay, but instead of multiplilier you should go by multi lane
[23:04:13] <coffman> UberDuper: that does not involve any extra chips
[23:04:14] <sommerfeld> zfs mirroring will be able to tell which side of the mirror is wrong if they disagree.
[23:04:19] <richlowe> stevel: the page suggests it may not be quota'd, but you'll be larted for unreasonableness.
[23:04:29] <coffman> UberDuper: and gives you also higher speed
[23:04:37] <UberDuper> coffman: Controller costs are through the roof if you go that route.
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[23:04:55] <coffman> UberDuper: nope
[23:04:56] <UberDuper> coffman: Looks like I'm going to be cpu bottlenecked with zfs anyway. =P
[23:05:22] <coffman> UberDuper: it will not, multilane is passive
[23:05:32] <wickedwicky> cool :D
[23:05:39] <UberDuper> /boggle
[23:05:56] <stevel> richlowe: that seems about right :)
[23:06:14] <stevel> though the trash cleanup script doesn't seem to be working
[23:06:37] <UberDuper> I don't see what multilane has to do with anything.
[23:06:39] <coffman> UberDuper: just put one of those in your system http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6566207
[23:07:46] <UberDuper> Isn't that a two port controller?
[23:07:54] <coffman> no
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[23:09:03] <coffman> UberDuper: looks like this http://www.webconnexxion.com/raid/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=367
[23:09:34] <coffman> pci bracket where you atach your normal controller with normal cabels to
[23:10:17] <UberDuper> You still gotta buy controllers.
[23:10:32] <UberDuper> And a multilane bridge for the array chassis.
[23:10:36] <coffman> sure
[23:10:40] <coffman> cost not that much
[23:10:50] <UberDuper> Yes it is.
[23:11:02] <coffman> not much more than a bridge
[23:11:05] <UberDuper> You still need 4 - 8 port controllers.
[23:11:49] <sommerfeld> hmm.  my first impression of infiniband connectors was that they weren't all that mechanically robust considering the weight of the cables..
[23:12:38] <UberDuper> Using port multipliers you get a 2 port esata controller for $40.
[23:12:51] <UberDuper> 2x. port multipliers for $85 each.
[23:12:56] <coffman> and no performance
[23:13:07] <UberDuper> And now you have support for 10 disks.
[23:13:30] <UberDuper> I haven't tested PM performance so I can't speak to that.
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[23:14:14] <coffman> multi lane adapters 2 for the system 2 for the array cost you about 120$ plus 140$ for a controller
[23:14:28] <UberDuper> rofl the infiniband cable to 2x the cost of the converter.
[23:14:53] <coffman> hmm cable...
[23:15:18] <UberDuper> An 8 port sata controller for $140?
[23:15:47] <sommerfeld> reminded me a lot in heft of old fashioned thickwire ethernet transceiver cables
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[23:17:16] <quasi> UberDuper: http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm is same chipset as in thumper/x4500
[23:17:26] <coffman> UberDuper: depends on the system, the supermicro one pci-x 8 port costs around 100$ only
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[23:19:08] <jpdrawneek> seens some people have problems with later revsions of the supermirco card
[23:19:15] <trygvis> so, is there any way to use linux as NFS server for solaris during installation
[23:19:20] <trygvis> I sure have issues with that card
[23:19:36] <jpdrawneek> tygvis: yes
[23:19:37] <trygvis> I'm having issued with solaris using nfs v4 and linux not supporing it properly
[23:19:54] <jpdrawneek> what issues?
[23:20:05] <jpdrawneek> what distro of linux?
[23:20:28] <sparvu> Gents: about my post about Maxtor 1TB device
[23:20:36] <sparvu> worked fine if you apply Step 20 from:
[23:20:42] <sparvu> http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/usb/USB-Faq.html#Storage
[23:20:46] <trygvis> debian unstable
[23:21:16] <jpdrawneek> tygvis: done lots of nfs with SuSE 10 -> 10.2
[23:22:02] <jpdrawneek> tygvis: no real issues so far, what probs you had?
[23:22:08] <trygvis> NFS linux to linux works just fine, and if I force the mount to use nfs v3
[23:22:20] <coffman> good tip for sata is also the sas hbas from lsi
[23:22:22] <trygvis> but linux's v4 implementation is broken so it won't work against a solaris nfs v4 share
[23:22:32] <coffman> they also work in sparc systems
[23:22:50] <coffman> like this one http://www.acmemicro.com/estore/merchant.ihtml?pid=3959&step=4
[23:23:19] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: can you just use nfs3 till they fix nfs4 in linux?
[23:23:32] <trygvis> no, not in the installer
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[23:23:53] <wickedwicky> hooray, opensolaris booting on my server
[23:23:54] <seanmcg> sparvu: so its looks like that Maxtor is a raid device ?
[23:24:18] <seanmcg> wickedwicky: with S12 compilers ?  (been away from the channel)
[23:24:22] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: force the nfs server in nfs3 is your only using linux?
[23:24:34] <trygvis> how can I do that?
[23:24:46] <wickedwicky> seanmcg: oh no, that one is compiling still. I threw away Linux and installed Solaris on my server/desktop at home :D
[23:24:57] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: /etc/default/nfs
[23:25:28] <seanmcg> wickedwicky: ahh.  and not missing linux ?-)
[23:25:38] <wickedwicky> not yet
[23:25:48] <wickedwicky> I just hope my PCTV card will work
[23:25:53] <trygvis> no such options there
[23:26:23] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: #NFS_CLIENT_VERSMAX=4 change that to 3 i think
[23:26:44] <trygvis> that is on the solaris side
[23:26:55] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: yes
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[23:27:09] <trygvis> but that won't work as long as I'm in the installer
[23:27:20] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: which installer?
[23:27:31] <trygvis> solaris ..
[23:27:47] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: ok i got it the wrong way round
[23:27:56] <trygvis> :)
[23:28:11] <coffman> wickedwicky: i dont think so
[23:28:33] <wickedwicky> coffman: too bad then, I'll fix a designated mediacenter box
[23:28:38] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: ko the nfs 4 server in the linux use a nfs3???
[23:28:48] <trygvis> hm?
[23:29:04] <wickedwicky> what does suprise me now though is: X starts without problems running with my ATI radeon 9700
[23:29:09] <wickedwicky> *gasp*
[23:29:20] <coffman> xorg drivers..
[23:29:36] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: so the solaris installer is crapping up on a linux nfs server?
[23:29:45] <wickedwicky> still
[23:29:47] <coffman> no 3d for you (and for me :( )
[23:29:54] <trygvis> yes, because it tries to use nfs v4 but the implementation in linux is broken
[23:30:08] <wickedwicky> I dont do 3d
[23:30:31] <wickedwicky> you think ATI is gonna release propriarty drivers?
[23:30:39] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: what version of solaris are you using as I did this once ages ago
[23:30:57] <trygvis> nv67
[23:30:57] <coffman> wickedwicky: not any time soon, they need to lay of more people there
[23:31:14] <trygvis> I've had this issue with all the solaris installations I've had, so that would be since around b22
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[23:32:25] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: that using linux nfs?
[23:32:37] <trygvis> yes
[23:32:48] <trygvis> I always have to lower the NFS_CLIENT_VERSMAX to 3
[23:32:49] <alanc> ooh, sch finally spilled some beans about the new packaging effort
[23:33:47] <sickness> I wonder if nfs version 1 ever existed =)
[23:34:18] <alanc> if I recall correctly, NFS v1 never made it outside of Sun
[23:34:19] <tomww> alanc: right now?
[23:34:25] <sickness> oh
[23:34:27] <sickness> curious :)
[23:34:33] <stevel> http://blogs.sun.com/sch
[23:34:35] <alanc> tomww: http://blogs.sun.com/sch/entry/observations_on_packaging
[23:34:52] <alanc> and the mail he just sent to indiana-discuss pointing people to it
[23:36:18] <sickness> 'nite all
[23:37:47] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: don't remeber having to touch the nfs server - may not have had nfs v4 at the time
[23:39:58] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: will have to give it a go again
[23:40:23] <jpdrawneek> tygvis: what type of solaris?
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[23:41:18] <trygvis> the latest opensolaris build
[23:42:16] <jpdrawneek> trygvis: sparc?
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[23:42:44] <trygvis> x86
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[23:49:44] <jpdrawneek> tygvis: do you want to put a post into the install forum on opensolaris - just so i can find it again
[23:50:32] <trygvis> it is a common problem
[23:50:51] <trygvis> the error you'll get is something like "bla bla foo:/bar: Not owner"
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[23:53:37] <stevel> http://blogs.sun.com/macrbg/entry/solaris_nfsv4_client_mount_from
[23:54:27] <tomww> trygvis: I I on the linux client side a mount -t nfs -o nfsvers=3  to avoid changing the server-side
[23:55:19] <trygvis> yes, but 1) solaris is the client, 2) I'm in the installer so I can't change anything on the client
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[23:56:31] <trygvis> thanks though
[23:56:45] <trygvis> perhaps I can configure the linux server to properly export the entries
[23:58:01] <tomww> trygvis: oh yes, I read it the other way :-)
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