[00:00:08] <afaict> i want to install live media of OpenSolaris but yet... i have no idea to do that. with debian i installed normally linux into my pendrive and my computer has no support to boot from USB. Then I created a CD to boot my image of my pendrive. can i do that with opensolaris ? i have no idea how to do that
[00:00:48] <afaict> i created a cd to boot my image from pendrive... i dont know how to do it
[00:00:49] <trygvis> belenix boots right off a CD if that is enough
[00:01:12] <afaict> trygvis: but i want install belenix into my pendrive...
[00:01:13] <trygvis> you can use the drive for /home, but getting to boot from the usb pen would be a challenge I would imagine
[00:01:35] <afaict> trygvis: i did it with linux. i dont have experience with opensolaris. o.O
[00:01:51] <afaict> its a unkown land for me. :D
[00:02:03] <afaict> s/a/an/
[00:03:07] <palowoda> To install opensolaris on a usb pen drive see: http://blogs.sun.com/PotstickerGuru/entry/giving_usb_the_boot_install
[00:03:23] <coffman> afaict: there is a opensolaris live distro
[00:04:02] <coffman> afaict: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/
[00:04:04] <afaict> coffman: u mean belenix ?
[00:04:09] <coffman> yes
[00:04:18] <afaict> coffman: i know... i tried it today. i have some problems...
[00:04:25] <coffman> afaict: new release is out based on b67
[00:04:38] <coffman> came out yesterday
[00:05:14] <afaict> coffman: i installed opensolaris and it run fine with me... but belenix i tried today... i had a error. My CPU does not have SSE2 and the belenix didn't load fine
[00:05:27] <afaict> argh... i had AN error. not A error
[00:06:43] <richlowe> That's an irritating quirk of the build.
[00:06:55] <richlowe> (they should have built with a fairly old version of the assembler, and didn't)
[00:07:05] <richlowe> I'm assuming you're seeing init take SIGKILL repeatedly on boot?
[00:07:17] <afaict> coffman: this blog u sent me. they used UDF. i want zfs... o.O opensolaris has no support for ZFS ?
[00:08:35] <afaict> richlowe: i dont remember. lol. i did it today.. then I sleep... i forgot all. :D
[00:09:29] <afaict> richlowe: i had the same error since the setting keyboard, mouse... then I saw my cpu has no SSE2 flag...
[00:09:45] <palowoda> It's a hardware bug. :)
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[00:10:16] <afaict> palowoda: the new release of belenix fixed?
[00:10:28] <afaict> palowoda: its not a hardware bug. =-P
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[00:10:58] <palowoda> If you buy new hardware it's fixed right?
[00:11:54] <afaict> palowoda: lol. some of my problems will solve with new hardware. :(
[00:12:30] <palowoda> You could always erase your Windows or Linux and just install opensolaris right?
[00:12:52] <afaict> palowoda: yeap.
[00:12:58] <palowoda> see hardware bug.
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[00:13:17] <afaict> palowoda: i never had hardware bugs with opensolaris...
[00:13:22] <afaict> palowoda: only with belenix...
[00:13:41] <afaict> palowoda: only with belenix i had problems @ boot
[00:14:02] <palowoda> So what is the plan.
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[00:18:50] <afaict> palowoda: i would like to install belenix into my pendrive and create a CD to boot my pendrive... i created my cd with grub and the kernel image + initrd scripts to boot my pendrive... it worked fine...
[00:21:54] <coffman> hm, any one got type 6/7 keyboards working with xfce? sound buttons...
[00:22:34] * Auralis has a type 6 but i haven't bothered yet with the sound keys, to lazy :)
[00:22:45] <coffman> heh
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[00:37:43] <afaict> bbye all. thanks for ur talks
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[01:47:53] <coffman> hmm, quite interesting, the terminal bug with the blurred fonts is also in xfce terminal, seems like a gtk bug then?
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[02:11:39] <jmcp> morning all
[02:11:51] <coffman> yO
[02:17:17] <jmcp> anything interesting going on?
[02:24:03] <coffman> jmcp: hm, nope - but i finaly got xfce runing
[02:24:46] <jmcp> good to hear
[02:37:06] <jbk> hello
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[02:41:13] * CSFrost yawns
[02:41:15] <CSFrost> evening
[02:41:21] <moazamraja> evenin
[02:41:38] <purserj> morning
[02:43:00] <CSFrost> tis a good day to sit inside and prune the peach trees :-)
[02:43:18] * purserj puts on PUSA "Peaches
[02:43:19] <purserj> "
[02:43:48] <jbk> i'm just glad to be done flying :)
[02:43:49] <moazamraja> 87 degree in NYC and 78 in Santa Clara... :/
[02:43:59] <moazamraja> cant wait to get back to santa clara
[02:44:07] <rbrown> i'm in nyc
[02:44:10] <rbrown> cool night tonihgt
[02:44:11] <jbk> as am i
[02:44:21] <moazamraja> i'm in manhattan this whole week
[02:44:26] <jbk> me too
[02:44:27] <rbrown> vacation?
[02:44:30] <moazamraja> yeah
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[02:44:40] <rbrown> nice
[02:44:41] <jbk> <-- work
[02:44:46] <rbrown> times square is nice
[02:44:51] <moazamraja> might go to the sun office 2morrow morning, or sometime 2morrow, not sure
[02:44:52] <rbrown> jbk hehe poor you :)
[02:45:05] <moazamraja> cuz right now i'm stealing Wifi :/
[02:45:08] <moazamraja> and it's sloooooow
[02:45:11] <rbrown> I think the nyc sun users group is meeting this week @ sun office
[02:45:14] <moazamraja> or apple company store
[02:45:15] <rbrown> might head there if I have time
[02:45:20] <moazamraja> ack
[02:45:24] <moazamraja> i mean, apple 5th ave store
[02:45:31] <jbk> i'm just wondering if it'll take an extra 4 hours (on top of flight time) to get home
[02:45:32] <moazamraja> they have free fast wifi
[02:45:38] <CSFrost> <-- new york as well.. we just had the rains come through here..
[02:45:44] <moazamraja> jbk: home = ?
[02:45:51] <moazamraja> home for me = san jose/santa clara, ca
[02:45:56] <moazamraja> that rain rocked!
[02:45:59] <jbk> houston
[02:46:01] <rbrown> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/nycosug/2meeting/
[02:46:02] <moazamraja> i havent seen rain in almost a year :/
[02:46:04] <moazamraja> (proper rain)
[02:46:11] <moazamraja> so the rain in NYC this week was great
[02:46:17] <rbrown> moazamraja, I dont work too far from the midtown apple store
[02:46:19] <rbrown> its pretty cool
[02:46:22] <rbrown> but always packed
[02:46:29] <jbk> heh
[02:46:38] <jbk> you should see what houston or new orleans has been getting :)
[02:46:39] <CSFrost> I am afraid of going to the city, and will do so for no less than 1k an hour. so no usergroup for me :-)
[02:46:42] <jbk> it's like monsoon season
[02:47:04] <moazamraja> csjp: were in NY are you then?
[02:47:07] <moazamraja> csfrost..even
[02:47:28] <CSFrost> Poughkeepsie, Dutchess County..
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[02:47:50] <rbrown> CSFrost, why are you afraid
[02:47:55] <rbrown> NYC is the safest city in the world
[02:47:58] <CSFrost> I think wednesday I have to go down to park ave though..
[02:48:01] <moazamraja> nyc/manhattan seems very safe to me
[02:48:06] <jbk> CSFrost: i'
[02:48:11] <jbk> i'm on lexington :)
[02:48:16] <moazamraja> i'd rather be out at 3-4am in manhattan than midnight in Silicon Valley, oddly enough
[02:48:23] <CSFrost> rbrown, I am afraid I am going to strangle the next person who bumps into me, or gives me an attitude
[02:48:28] <moazamraja> jbk: 1st and 22nd (peter cooper village)
[02:48:37] <jbk> though amusingly, i'm working down by wall st
[02:48:51] <jbk> (i'm at 48th st & lexington)
[02:49:11] <CSFrost> I prefer Tokyo to New York.. anytime of the day
[02:49:24] <CSFrost> people move out of my way in Tokyo.. :-)
[02:49:24] <moazamraja> never been to tokyo, cant say
[02:49:37] <rbrown> 48th and lexington isnt by wall st :)
[02:49:38] <moazamraja> but i have a feeling ppl would stare in tokyo, or generally act a lil 'different'
[02:49:43] <jbk> rbrown: i know :)
[02:49:45] <rbrown> I'm on 53rd and 6th
[02:49:51] <CSFrost> jbk, I didn't know you were in New York..
[02:49:58] <jbk> but the company has silly rules about which hotels they will use
[02:50:13] <jbk> this one happens to be a few streets from one of their offices, it just happens to not be the offices i will be working at
[02:50:29] <rbrown> jbk financial company ?
[02:50:29] <jbk> (the hotels near there were all booked or too expensive)
[02:50:34] <jbk> CSFrost: just until friday
[02:50:36] <jbk> yeah
[02:50:47] <rbrown> what are you doing for them
[02:50:48] <CSFrost> moazamraja, not really, never had a problem in Tokyo, at all.. well except for Roppongi, but I avoid those type of places
[02:50:52] <moazamraja> manhattan makes silicon valley look super-cheap tho, in terms of pricing...
[02:50:59] <moazamraja> CSFrost: well, i'm brown
[02:51:12] <moazamraja> CSFrost: and from what i hear, the japanese treat brownies a tad odd
[02:51:31] <rbrown> brown ? rolf
[02:51:36] <moazamraja> :)
[02:51:43] <jbk> well, i just started this job mid-june, and the 2nd week after i started, the only other sysadmin in my division that was local went on vacation for 4 weeks
[02:51:44] <CSFrost> Moazamraja, there are whole sections in Tokyo as well, Indian, Arabian, ..
[02:51:47] <rbrown> brown as in black why not just say black lol
[02:51:55] <moazamraja> http://www.flickr.com/photos/unixville/750912661/
[02:51:56] <jbk> so they send me up here to work with the guys up here for a week
[02:51:59] <jbk> err sent
[02:52:23] <rbrown> ahh not bad so you actually work for this company
[02:52:30] <jbk> yeah
[02:52:31] <CSFrost> jbk, it's miserable up here.. the humidity gets aweful..
[02:52:40] <jbk> heh
[02:52:47] <jbk> did you make note of where i live? :)
[02:52:49] <moazamraja> CSFrost: yes, i've heard there are small 'foreign ghettos' ..but from some stuff I've read, the police/govt and business folks dont like foriegners (speially minorities) too much
[02:52:53] <jbk> humidity does not phase me :)
[02:53:01] <CSFrost> jbk, dallas or houstin right?
[02:53:04] <jbk> houston
[02:53:05] <moazamraja> rbrown: not black, brown, as evidenced by above url :)
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[02:53:30] <CSFrost> moazamraja, heh not ghettos, this is right by hiroo and ebisu area.. certainly not cheap
[02:53:35] <rbrown> moazamraja, you look white hush
[02:53:36] <rbrown> :-P
[02:53:41] <moazamraja> rbrown: hah!
[02:53:46] <CSFrost> just south of roppongi hills actually :-P
[02:53:49] <moazamraja> CSFrost: i dont mean 'ghettos' in that way
[02:53:54] * rbrown is black
[02:54:00] <moazamraja> CSFrost: but i would like to visit one day
[02:54:13] <moazamraja> rbrown: no, your rbrown. says it right there, on my screen.. :P
[02:54:19] <rbrown> jbk just be glad your not in jersey
[02:54:26] <jbk> hehe
[02:54:31] <moazamraja> Rodrick Brown...oooh!
[02:54:33] <moazamraja> i know u
[02:54:33] <rbrown> most of the financial companies in nyc moved most of the infrastructure work to NJ
[02:54:34] <moazamraja> well, no i dont
[02:54:35] <CSFrost> moazamraja, I have a hard time because I have a young face.. and all my friends in tokyo .. well most of them are 40-50
[02:54:45] <CSFrost> I don't think color is a big thing :-)
[02:54:52] <moazamraja> i mena, i know you (rbrown) from your webpage, saw it like 2-3 months ago
[02:54:52] <rbrown> moazamraja, yeah that's mi name :)
[02:54:56] <moazamraja> dreadlocks or something
[02:55:14] <CSFrost> heh, I think NYC counts part of NJ in their population counts, haha
[02:55:15] <rbrown> ahh I haven't updated it in while
[02:55:54] <CSFrost> moazamraja, I just looked at your link, heh your whiter then I am half of the year :-P
[02:56:03] <jbk> there are nice parts of jersey
[02:56:17] <moazamraja> CSFrost: daaymn
[02:56:27] <CSFrost> when I moved to Tokyo from Honolulu, half the people I met thought I was black
[02:56:44] <CSFrost> but, I still didn't get any racism towards me..
[02:56:45] <moazamraja> now i feel like complaining about immigration, since everyone is claiming i look so white :P
[02:56:55] <moazamraja> (ok ok, uncalled for, but i had to ...it was too easy :P )
[02:57:29] <rbrown> the only thing sucks about NYC is federal tax
[02:57:36] <rbrown> man we get really shafted on taxes
[02:57:50] <CSFrost> well, as long as you don't only speak spanish, and live here.. it's good :-)
[02:58:11] <CSFrost> heh, nyc gets the shaft on all types of taxes
[02:58:38] <moazamraja> nyc housing is crazy expensive
[02:58:46] <moazamraja> and even the water/snapple/coke costs $$
[02:58:54] <moazamraja> but damn, i love the village feel in manhattan
[02:58:59] <CSFrost> it's even worse in certain areas north of the city
[02:59:08] <moazamraja> parks everywhere, basketball/tennis courts everywhere
[02:59:19] <CSFrost> for what I pay in school taxes, I could build my own..
[02:59:20] <moazamraja> we dont get that in silicon valley
[02:59:25] <moazamraja> we get...highways.
[02:59:41] <CSFrost> I'd rather have subways, and cherry trees..
[02:59:45] <moazamraja> tho we have great company campuses
[03:00:26] <e^ipi> moazamraja: seems to be a west-coast thing
[03:00:27] <moazamraja> step inside the MPK sun campus and it's a different world, it's like a lil utopia
[03:00:38] <e^ipi> vancouver & seattle are both big car cities too
[03:00:50] <moazamraja> apple campus is nice, but the sun campuses are a lot nicer, oddly enough
[03:01:02] <rbrown> but google is better than all
[03:01:03] <CSFrost> San Francisco is one of the rare US cities.. all jokes aside.
[03:01:21] <rbrown> I really liked sunnyvale when I was in cali last year
[03:01:36] <rbrown> i hear its crazy expensive thoug h
[03:01:43] <moazamraja> nah
[03:01:45] <moazamraja> nothing like NYC
[03:02:03] <moazamraja> sunnyvale is chump change compared to manhattan
[03:02:08] <rbrown> moazamraja, NYC isnt that expensive once you leave Manhattan
[03:02:09] <CSFrost> crazy expensive is just a reference term for comparing what people are used to..
[03:02:22] <moazamraja> the only thing expensive in the silicon valley area is housing..and gas.
[03:02:33] <rbrown> the fact that a house in my area now goes for $720,000
[03:02:36] <CSFrost> not everyone is dump enough to pay a hundred mil on an apartment..
[03:02:45] <rbrown> $720,000 wouldnt get you anything in sunnyvale
[03:02:51] <rbrown> everything is 1.1M+
[03:02:57] <moazamraja> CSFrost:nah
[03:02:58] <moazamraja> nah
[03:03:01] <moazamraja> not true
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[03:03:11] <moazamraja> sunnvale is 700k-$900k territory
[03:03:11] <rbrown> '
[03:03:13] <CSFrost> dumb* I meant.. I can't type tonight for some reason..
[03:03:16] <moazamraja> i just got through buying a house
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[03:03:38] <moazamraja> CSFrost: i paid quarter mill for a condo about ...4-5 years back, in CA, i thought i was being a fool
[03:03:43] <moazamraja> CSFrost: luckily, i was wrong :)
[03:04:20] <moazamraja> median house price in silicon valley/bay area is 720k or so
[03:04:25] <CSFrost> heh, fools buy from trump and his associates..
[03:05:26] <moazamraja> i miss my car now :)
[03:05:29] <CSFrost> and dead silence.. lol
[03:05:33] <moazamraja> hah
[03:06:03] <moazamraja> CSFrost: if i was rich enough to buy from Trump and assoc, i wouldnt be on #opensolaris
[03:06:10] <moazamraja> i'd be #opensolaris-for-rich-ppl
[03:06:11] <moazamraja> :P
[03:06:19] <CSFrost> I wouldn't want a car if I were in the city..
[03:06:21] <moazamraja> where they have a passwd for entry
[03:06:34] <CSFrost> I used to live in the city, it was aweful
[03:06:56] <moazamraja> during the times i commute to work, in the bay area, traffic is already over, so it's a nice 12 mile ride
[03:07:00] <CSFrost> Well, if you bought from Trump or any of his friends, you probably wouldn't know how to even use irc :-P
[03:07:56] <moazamraja> i did see an Audi R8 and a Porsche 997 while here in NYC tho
[03:07:59] <CSFrost> I don't even understand the charm people speak of, when they talk about Manhattan..
[03:08:09] <moazamraja> that's freaky, i'd be scared of dings
[03:08:13] <moazamraja> i dunno, manhattan is real nice
[03:08:20] <moazamraja> oh! Papaya King, awesome
[03:08:24] <moazamraja> 14th and 1st
[03:08:39] <CSFrost> when I had a company car, we didn't care about dings either.. that's what leases were for.
[03:08:54] <moazamraja> doubt anyone is getting a Audi R8 for a company car :P
[03:09:09] <CSFrost> I wouldn't doubt it :-)
[03:09:53] <moazamraja> guess u never know here in NYC in the financial circles
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[03:10:04] <moazamraja> i keep wondering what ppl here in these fancy buildings do for a living
[03:10:09] <CSFrost> I grew up in Pawling, New York .. some of the company cars people had issued to them were Bentleys and Rolls.
[03:10:13] <moazamraja> and how they can afford $5k-$15k/rent
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[03:10:24] <moazamraja> CSFrost: good lord....
[03:10:35] <moazamraja> hah, and ppl say Bay Area is 'hoity toity' :)
[03:10:42] <moazamraja> (actually, they dont, nevermind, that's LA)
[03:10:49] <CSFrost> Well, the couple who own the park ave place I will be working at this week, are heavy board members
[03:11:05] <moazamraja> bay area is soooo jeans+tshirt and millionaire types driving around in 1989 Camrys
[03:11:10] <CSFrost> former exec of a very large bank too..
[03:11:41] <CSFrost> that's why I liked tokyo.. most don't even drive.
[03:12:38] <CSFrost> 89 was a good year for the camry though.. :-P
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[03:13:09] <moazamraja> i grew up in miami, you had to drive ...always, no other form of transport, practically
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[03:13:50] <CSFrost> I don't mind driving, I just can't stand everyone elses driving.
[03:14:22] <moazamraja> heh
[03:14:26] <moazamraja> i hate cops :/
[03:14:34] <moazamraja> i'm always lookin in my rear view, scared crapless
[03:14:38] <moazamraja> "no more tickets..no more!!!"
[03:14:50] <CSFrost> I don't mind cops, my greatest fear is women with cellphones.
[03:15:17] <CSFrost> it's illegal, yet no one is ever ticketed for using the phone in the car..
[03:15:25] <moazamraja> i stay in the far left lane, away from most ppl
[03:15:42] <moazamraja> and i can press the accelerator out of my way in most cases of other ppls driving
[03:15:55] <CSFrost> that's why you get tickets..
[03:16:00] <moazamraja> hehe
[03:16:01] <moazamraja> 1 ticket :P
[03:16:10] <CSFrost> if I MUST drive, I stay in the far right lane, and drive 10 under the limit
[03:16:11] <moazamraja> but...i just feel like i'm ABOUT to get one, always
[03:16:19] <moazamraja> 10 under the limit?!?!!? wtf.
[03:16:23] <CSFrost> yep
[03:16:28] <moazamraja> i might as well burn my car
[03:16:33] <CSFrost> that way no one is in front of me :-)
[03:16:49] <CSFrost> and they dont slam on brakes, or swerve for no reason...
[03:17:02] <CSFrost> and people are less likely to cut me off out of no where
[03:17:33] <moazamraja> the one time i got a ticket was cause everyone was giving me dirty looks for driving slow
[03:17:42] <CSFrost> I am getting old though, and my eyesight is poor, so it makes reacting to fix other peoples mistakes very difficult.
[03:17:45] <moazamraja> so i said screw it, lemme catch up to everyone and drive at their speed
[03:17:57] <moazamraja> but to catch up with them, i ended up at like 105
[03:17:59] <CSFrost> I forgot an apostrophe.. but I am sure you can find where it goes
[03:18:10] <moazamraja> cop caught me and give me a ticket for 85
[03:18:18] <moazamraja> open highway, he was laughing about it, oh well
[03:18:18] <CSFrost> moazamraja, just ignore people
[03:18:23] <moazamraja> yeah
[03:18:26] <moazamraja> that is true
[03:18:34] <CSFrost> I drive 35 in a 55 always
[03:18:44] <CSFrost> 40 in CT
[03:18:51] <CSFrost> since they have minimum limits
[03:18:54] <moazamraja> thats nuts...
[03:19:04] <CSFrost> that's why I don't drive often :-)
[03:19:31] <jbk> heh
[03:21:10] <CSFrost> if I bought a used tractor (semi), and put a big metal cage on the front, I'd do the limit, no problem
[03:21:31] <CSFrost> though finding one without air brakes is a difficult task :-P
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[03:21:59] <jbk> even been to houston or dallas?
[03:21:59] <moazamraja> CSFrost: are you..85 years old? ;)
[03:22:07] <moazamraja> i have..
[03:22:17] <Plaidrab> Is there a "prefered" way to get Ruby tools onto (IE already in there? Should I hit Sunfreeware, etc ) an OpenSolaris Sparc box?
[03:22:27] <CSFrost> Feel close to 85 :-)
[03:22:32] <CSFrost> jbk, houston...
[03:22:52] <jbk> did you drive there? :)
[03:23:15] <moazamraja> Plaidrab: there are some 'Glassfish' pages that have instructions..
[03:23:18] <CSFrost> nope, I didn't have the pleasure, people usually think to drive me around to save lives.
[03:23:22] <Plaidrab> I've Driven Dallas and Austin. A little wacky but not quite insane
[03:24:49] <Plaidrab> Hmm. The glassfish pages don't look too useful to me
[03:25:03] <CSFrost> Bad driving is a very good reason why we need a better public transportation system :-P
[03:25:14] <moazamraja> Plaidrab: http://www.hydrus.org.uk/journal/rails-sun.html
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[03:26:22] <Plaidrab> Thanks
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[03:30:42] <CSFrost> hope tomorrow doesn't turn out like today..
[03:32:19] <purserj> hmm for you it'll be monday won't it
[03:32:59] <CSFrost> yep, but everyday is a day off now
[03:33:12] <CSFrost> so it's easy to forget which day :-)
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[04:28:07] <_mary_kate_> does the integration of 6445230 in S10 mean that /etc/inet/ipnodes will be going away (like on nevada)?
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[04:57:15] <Jondice> is dbx (or sun studio in general) open source?
[04:57:23] <_mary_kate_> no
[04:57:45] <Jondice> is it possible to obtain prerelease binaries?
[04:57:55] <_mary_kate_> yes, there's an express program for studio
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[04:58:06] <Jondice> ok, thanks =)
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[05:01:02] <moazamraja> it's not open srouce, but i believe it is free (without support)
[05:01:29] <Tempt> Hi.
[05:01:37] <Tempt> Anyone here using hardware mirroring on an LSI controller?
[05:01:47] <Tempt> I'd like to know what the disk-fail message is.
[05:02:01] <_mary_kate_> i'm using hardware raid-10, but i haven't seen a disk failure yet.
[05:02:42] <moazamraja> Jondice: http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/
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[05:05:40] <_mary_kate_> (i suspect it would be along the lines of: Volume 0 is |enabled||degraded|)
[05:06:15] <dlg> Tempt: mpt or ami/amr or mfi?
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[05:24:48] <Tempt> dlg: mpt.
[05:25:27] <dlg> i bet jmcp knows
[05:25:44] <jmcp> there are several different messages you can see relating to disk failure, which specific one you see will depend on what the error is/was
[05:26:08] <Tempt> I'm just looking for a pattern that says "something bad in disk land"
[05:27:32] <jmcp> could you please be more vague?
[05:28:45] <Tempt> I mean, if an LSI driven mirror fails, does it log an error from the driver, a scsi sense error, etc.
[05:28:52] <jmcp> yes
[05:28:59] <Tempt> yes driver or yes scsi?
[05:29:29] <jmcp> you'll get scsi sense keys, you should also see messages from the scsi framework
[05:29:36] <Tempt> Lovely.
[05:30:00] <Tempt> Now I know that if the one crappy box around here using the LSI mirroring blows a disk, it'll be alarmed.
[05:30:49] <bda> Would FMA pick it up?
[05:31:09] * bda would imagine so.
[05:32:32] <jmcp> Tempt: but would it also be Alert?
[05:32:40] <jmcp> bda: maybe.
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[05:38:02] <jmcp> Tempt: you should also be able to see the status using raidctl
[05:40:30] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: the mpt driver itself logs array state changes
[05:41:59] <Tempt> Hmm
[05:42:07] <coffman> n8
[05:42:08] <Tempt> I might just yank a disk and see what happens.
[05:42:16] <Tempt> Or take a look at the source.
[05:42:51] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Hey, that's right, you lost a disk the other day. Any chance you could pastebin the logs?
[05:43:09] <_mary_kate_> actually i offlined it before it failed :)
[05:43:53] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: but the array will become degraded - you can check for that: http://rafb.net/p/JeoF8589.html
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[05:44:34] <jmcp> Tempt: you can't look at the source, mpt is closed
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[05:49:29] <_mary_kate_> hmm, there is a linux tool called "mpt-status" that runs as a daemon and monitors mpt arrays.  i wonder if it could be ported to solaris.
[05:49:38] <_mary_kate_> (although i suppose fma is a better method)
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[05:50:03] <jmcp> fma is definitely a better method
[05:52:10] <rbrown> wow I had no clue Sun donated tomcat to the apache foundation
[05:58:40] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: thanks for the paste.
[06:00:45] <Tempt> Hmm, Oracle winning again: Assertion failed: 0, file skgsn.c, line 320
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[06:31:29] <dmarker> is richlowe around?
[06:38:06] <jmcp> haven't seen him today
[06:38:09] <jmcp> hi dmarker
[06:38:17] <jmcp> !seen richlowe
[06:38:18] <Drone> richlowe is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sun 15 Jul 2007 22:07 GMT, saying 'I'm assuming you're seeing init take SIGKILL repeatedly on boot?'.
[06:39:19] <Tempt> !seen Tempt
[06:39:21] <Drone> Tempt is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Mon 16 Jul 2007 04:39 GMT, saying '!seen Tempt'.
[06:39:26] <Tempt> Moof.
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[07:07:40] <UberDuper> What's the diff between CE and ON?
[07:10:35] <dmarker> heya jmcp
[07:10:49] <jmcp> hi dmarker, how's life?
[07:10:55] <dmarker> sleepy
[07:11:00] <jmcp> UberDuper: ON is the core kernel and userland utilities
[07:11:13] <jmcp> dmarker: yeah, me too ... I think I've got 3pm-itis :-)
[07:11:35] <dmarker> its 11pm here
[07:12:11] <UberDuper> Ah. Thanks.
[07:12:42] <jmcp> UberDuper: CE is a distribution made up of Consolidations. ON is a Consolidation
[07:12:50] <jmcp> UberDuper: how deeply did you want to go? :-)
[07:13:04] <jmcp> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/devref_glossary
[07:13:13] <UberDuper> Not too terribly. Just looking to start using.
[07:13:34] <jmcp> phew
[07:13:49] <UberDuper> Wanna get a taste of that hot zfs pie.
[07:13:53] <jmcp> heheh
[07:14:06] <jmcp> grab CE or SXDE (Solaris Express Developer Edition) and install ...
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[07:15:34] <jmcp> hi RobG
[07:15:35] <UberDuper> Is CE production ready?
[07:15:44] <RobG> Hey JMCP
[07:16:10] <jmcp> UberDuper: it's not a Released Product, so, *technically* it isn't. That doesn't stop people and companies running it in production :)
[07:17:17] <RobG> I've been trawling through all the solaris performance documentation but I can;t seem to find anything that provides visibility of what is happening with the L1/L2 CPU cache.  Are there any tools out there that provide that sort of visibility?
[07:17:37] <Doc> cpustat
[07:17:51] <Doc> and cputrack
[07:18:35] <Doc> same as last time you asked
[07:18:51] <RobG> how long ago was that... I forgot!
[07:19:30] <RobG> Showing my age by having senior moments
[07:20:43] <estibi> morning
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[07:24:36] <GoMike> Hello-- Do any of the opensourcesolaris packages have an email program? Thanks!
[07:25:39] <jmcp> GoMike: have you heard of /bin/mail, or perhaps thunderbird?
[07:26:06] <_mary_kate_> evolution
[07:26:20] <jmcp> that's not an email program, it's an abomination
[07:26:25] <_mary_kate_> heh
[07:26:30] <_mary_kate_> mutt's on the companion CD too
[07:26:35] <purserj> jmcp: prefers creationism?
[07:27:03] <_mary_kate_> i'm using thunderbird at the moment, but i'm getting annoyed at how difficult it is to configure
[07:27:18] <jmcp> purserj: heheh ... only when it can logically explain the truth of the FSM
[07:27:18] <_mary_kate_> half the stuff you need to edit usercontent.css, or use the 'advanced' editor
[07:27:19] <jmcp> :)
[07:27:24] <RobG> Doc: I did cputrack -h which shows me what I can track... Do you know of any documentation that provides a detailed definition of those events?
[07:27:36] <purserj> jmcp: they don't need logic, they have a beer volcano
[07:29:10] <UberDuper> jmcp: So what's Nevada?
[07:29:38] <jmcp> that's the name of the "release currently under development"
[07:30:13] <GoMike> I'm considering Thunderbird to replace Eudora which recently destroyed my IN box a few times.
[07:30:54] <UberDuper> So CE will be released under that name?
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[07:36:48] <GoMike> GoMike throws another pebble in the pond: Is TBird a rock-solid email client? Any other favorites?
[07:38:10] <_mary_kate_> GoMike: had no problems with it so far
[07:40:10] <jmcp> UberDuper: no
[07:40:57] <jmcp> UberDuper: you should *really* go and do some reading on opensolaris.org so you get the definitions straight
[07:41:27] <UberDuper> Yah I was poking around there a bit. It's very developer focued.
[07:41:32] <UberDuper> focused even.
[07:43:19] <jmcp> UberDuper: http://whacked.net/2007/03/01/opensolarissolaris-relationships-updated, http://whacked.net/what_is_opensolaris
[07:45:28] <jmcp> that second link used to appear in this channel's topic setting
[07:48:02] <UberDuper> Yah that second one is a good overview.
[07:50:12] <GoMike> _mary_kate_/jmcp: Thanks for the input, I'll give TBird an extended trial.
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[08:07:44] <Tempt> You know, I don't mean to sound negative ...
[08:07:57] <Tempt> ... but Solaris just doesn't run well in 256Mb of RAM anymore.
[08:08:16] <dlg> heh
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[08:25:56] <trochej> Hmmm
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[08:46:38] <lloy0076> Are the Trusted Extensions for Solaris a commercial product?
[08:47:01] <cmihai> Commercial, but free.
[08:47:16] <cmihai> As in, not open source, and again, neither is most of Solaris.
[08:47:27] <cmihai> They're on the media.
[08:48:19] <lloy0076> "the media"
[08:48:26] <lloy0076> Is "the media" free?
[08:48:27] <jmcp> lloy0076: they're integrated into the base release.
[08:48:36] <_mary_kate_> lloy: the solaris media
[08:48:41] <jmcp> you can download it from sun.com, or pay a nominal fee to get a DVD copy
[08:48:46] <cmihai> lloy0076: the "media" is the cd / dvd / whatever, it's free.
[08:48:46] <lloy0076> Ok.
[08:48:47] <jmcp> so yes, effectively free
[08:48:59] <cmihai> jmcp: nah, free shipping too :P
[08:49:07] <lloy0076> I'm happy to pay, but I like the "try before buy" concept...
[08:49:12] <cmihai> so basically they pay you to use it :P
[08:49:23] <_mary_kate_> lloy: there isn't much sun software that costs money anymore
[08:49:24] <jmcp> cmihai: sssshhhhh
[08:49:33] <cmihai> asdasdfasdfas
[08:49:36] <cmihai> keyboard froze.
[08:49:40] <cmihai> Weird.
[08:50:07] <trygvis> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/circuitsnacks
[08:50:23] <cmihai> lloy0076: so get the media, try it and when you put it in production get a support contract.
[08:50:54] <jmcp> the support contracts are pretty darned cheap, too
[08:51:03] <cmihai> Yeah
[08:51:13] <_mary_kate_> so i'm been trying to get this failed disk replaced for over a month now.  how long can it take to sort out an rma?
[08:52:50] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: Well, let the period be P; clearly P > 1 month :)
[08:53:34] <cmihai> eh
[08:57:17] <jmcp> lloy0076: t, not p
[08:57:31] <jmcp> proposition p1: let the period be 't', with 't' > 1 month
[08:57:45] <_mary_kate_> at this point i suspect P (the probability) is 0.  :)
[08:57:54] <jmcp> heh
[08:58:39] <Tempt> omfg.. I just heard someone actually use the word "folksonomy"
[08:58:48] <lloy0076> I'm practicing obfuscated maths! Relabel common symbols to mean something totally different.
[08:58:48] <Tempt> can I be shooting now plz?
[08:59:01] <asyd> \_o<
[08:59:17] * g4lt-lappy points tempt at project indiana
[08:59:25] <g4lt-lappy> Tempt, fire at will
[09:00:06] <Cyrille> what is it actually supposed to mean?
[09:00:16] <Tempt> Cyrille: It's a web 2.0 thing.
[09:00:21] <Tempt> Cyrille: Apparently.
[09:00:30] <Cyrille> and what's *that* supposed to mean? ;-)
[09:00:45] <Cyrille> has anyone found out yet what web 2.0 might be?
[09:00:53] <Tempt> A load of horse shit.
[09:00:54] <_mary_kate_> we are web 2.0!  (wikipedia)
[09:01:00] <g4lt-lappy> ask jonathan schwartz
[09:01:02] <Cyrille> so wrong then?
[09:01:27] <g4lt-lappy> because sun is the dot in web two dot oh
[09:01:33] <Tempt> Apparently we now have SOA 2.0
[09:01:44] <Cyrille> studies have shown this may be wrong, though sun is the sun in sun.com.
[09:02:32] <g4lt-lappy> you know, it's not fun when reality eats mordancy :(
[09:04:22] <bobbyz> is there another non-sxce/on solaris 10 release slated for anytime soon?
[09:04:47] <Tempt> Yes, 07/07. Should be out next month.
[09:05:17] <bobbyz> Tempt: cool, thank you
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[10:03:59] <JWheeler> does it not seem logical for 07/07 to actually come out in 07/07?
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[10:12:54] <LeftWing> JWheeler: Well there's still some time remaining for 7/07 to come out this month. ;P
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[10:38:16] <dlg> anyone here got a v480?
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[10:43:48] <quasi> dlg: yah
[10:46:33] <dlg> can you email me prtconf -pv output?
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[10:49:58] <quasi> can't do that - belongs to a customer - perhaps a specific part, but not the whole thing
[10:50:47] <dlg> pci devices only?
[10:51:38] <quasi> those are part of the problem
[10:51:52] <dlg> ah
[10:51:55] <dlg> nm then
[10:51:56] <quasi> they may contain identifiable bits
[10:52:12] <dlg> i want to know if a qlogic scsi controller is onboard or not
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[10:54:02] <quasi> vx-rootdisk_1:  '/pci at 9,600000/SUNW,qlc@2/fp@0,0/disk@ dot ..
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[10:55:40] <dlg> its fc?
[10:55:53] <tsoome1> thats fc
[10:56:01] <quasi> device_type:  'scsi-fcp'
[10:56:21] <quasi> version: 'ISP2300 Host Adapter Driver: 1.14.01 12/20/02'
[10:56:36] <dlg> cool
[10:57:01] * dlg wonder how this one comes up as a isp10160
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[11:00:55] <quasi> got 3 ISP2300 and one ISP2200 FC-AL
[11:01:14] <Fish> hello
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[11:23:06] <Tempt> dlg: 480 definately has FCAL onboard for the internal disks
[11:24:01] <jengelh> s/na/ni/
[11:24:02] <dlg> thx
[11:29:07] <trochej> 2http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5wocJyRBY
[11:29:08] <trochej> Khe
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[11:31:54] <jengelh> trochej: better try http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGyRInLpm78
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[11:40:11] <Tempt> dlg: I have a service manual and the hardware course training manuals for the 480, so let me know if you want me to look anything up.
[11:40:20] <Tempt> Although I think the service manual is on sunsolve.
[11:41:13] * dlg nod
[11:41:22] <dlg> a friend of mine is trying to figure out the host pci bridge
[11:42:14] <trochej> Who broke jabber support in pidgin in sxce b68
[11:42:27] <trochej> And, who broke my rtls in sxce b68
[11:42:28] <trochej> ?
[11:42:28] <trochej> :)
[11:42:49] <Tempt> Man, if metalink was running any slower today it'd be calls docs.oracle.com
[11:42:56] <Tempt> called*
[11:44:46] <palowoda> trochej: You mean http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6577264
[11:45:41] <trochej> palowoda: Yes, when it comes to jabber, and no, when it comes to nic :)
[11:45:43] <cmihai> Tempt: heh
[11:45:54] <Tempt> 250kb/sec?
[11:45:59] <cmihai> That
[11:46:04] <cmihai> That's not SO bad.
[11:46:07] <Tempt> This download is going to take *literally* over an hour
[11:46:16] <Tempt> patches be damned.
[11:46:26] <cmihai> Getting one of those patch clusters?
[11:46:40] <Tempt> 10.2.0.3
[11:46:41] <palowoda> Haven't noticed the nic, all my stuff is gige now.
[11:47:07] <Pietro_S> a bit OT: but you can know it, what's shortcut for swithing tabs in studio12?
[11:47:19] <cmihai> Tempt: there's always auto updates for the insane :P
[11:47:28] <Tempt> You mean there's something in studio apart from a compiler? <grin>
[11:47:37] <dlg> vim
[11:47:51] <Tempt> cmihai: I'll be snapshotting first as it is.
[11:49:06] <Pietro_S> Tempt: ;-)
[11:49:07] <Tempt> And something in my Solaris patching bonanza killed SRSS
[11:49:18] <jengelh> time for sol to go rpm
[11:49:27] <palowoda> I hear there is going to be about 322 patches released this week.
[11:49:42] <trochej> Uhm
[11:49:54] <Pietro_S> palowoda: don't scare us
[11:50:23] <Tempt> I think I'm on a security patch only train now.
[11:50:40] <Tempt> After *18 hours* of patching on the weekend ...
[11:51:10] <quasi> Tempt: 18 hours for one box?
[11:51:15] <palowoda> Heh you know I do.  But you know S10 is starting to go through a patch hell matrix.  Not much anyone can do about it.
[11:52:44] <Tempt> Yep.
[11:52:50] <Tempt> 18 fscking hours.
[11:53:31] <palowoda> Takes 45 min to upgrade a whole OS.
[11:53:40] <Tempt> Takes 18 hours to patch a box with plenty of zones
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[11:53:52] <bda> How many is plenty?
[11:54:10] <Berny> takes 119.5 secs to pour the perfect pint of guinness :-))
[11:54:38] <renihs> hmm thats great, swupAuto crashed my box
[11:54:47] <Tempt> Mmm
[11:54:49] <renihs> why the heck is that swupAuto there, i never placed it in crontab
[11:54:50] <Tempt> Guinness.
[11:55:03] <Tempt> renihs: Probably arrived in a patch!
[11:55:05] <Tempt> hehe.
[11:55:12] <renihs> gruml :p
[11:55:27] <bda> Tempt: How many zones? How out of date? What kind of system?
[11:55:31] <Tempt> Hey, anyone from Sun around? What does "Camelot" mean in Sun codeword-speak from a few years ago?
[11:55:40] <jengelh> camelot <=> holy grail
[11:55:45] <bda> I doubt I'll ever pass a dozen zones on a system, but. :)
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[11:55:52] <Tempt> bda: Solaris 10. 24 Zones. V880. 250 patches.
[11:55:59] <bda> aha
[11:56:24] <jengelh> zones are soo wonderful
[11:56:55] <bda> Tempt: I hate it they aren't sparse zones?
[11:57:07] <Tempt> Sparse zones they are.
[11:57:11] <Tempt> Still need patching though.
[11:57:18] <bda> s/hate/take/ # wtf
[11:57:27] <bda> Yeah, but .. 18 hours? O_o
[11:57:32] <Tempt> Yes, well.
[11:57:33] <jengelh> that's due to pkg.
[11:57:35] <Tempt> Never again.
[11:57:43] <Berny> some patches take their time
[11:57:51] <Tempt> It takes about 40 minutes to do the same patch bundle on a machine with no zones.
[11:58:04] <asyd> patches are another motivation for me to not use full install :)
[11:58:07] <Tempt> Well, perhaps closer to an hour.
[11:58:10] <Tempt> Still.
[11:58:16] <bda> Heh.
[11:58:26] <Tempt> Apparently I can now LU my box with zones though.
[11:58:46] <Tempt> Thinking about that, since this machine is working now I guess I can re-attach the rootmirror.
[12:00:04] <Tempt>     Resync in progress: 1 % done
[12:00:07] * Tempt yawns
[12:01:16] <trochej> Hmmm
[12:01:41] <trochej> How do I trace, which lines of output from prtconf -v belongs to my ethernet card?
[12:02:28] <Tempt> trochej: Depends on the system
[12:02:32] <trochej> x86
[12:02:42] <Tempt> Oh, prtconf, not prtdiag
[12:02:45] <trochej> sxce b68
[12:02:47] <trochej> yes
[12:02:56] <Tempt> What are you trying to work out?
[12:03:48] <trochej> I want to report a bug, but I believe that my rtls0 cant be plumbed isnt too helpful, is it? :)
[12:03:59] <Tempt> aah
[12:04:31] <Tempt> Just after an upgrade?
[12:04:32] <jengelh> call the plumber
[12:04:36] <trochej> No, fresh install
[12:04:49] <Tempt> Hmm, so it can't see it at all then?
[12:04:54] <Tempt> prtdiag -v give you any hints?
[12:05:16] <trochej> Tempt: It is seen: in dmesg in the line: Jul 16 11:35:20 damian-laptop rtls: [ID 436804 kern.warning] WARNING: : chip reset fail.
[12:05:28] <Tempt> grep rtls /etc/path_to_inst
[12:05:41] <trochej> k
[12:05:54] <trochej> got it
[12:06:28] <trochej> Tempt: It worked in sxce b67
[12:07:41] * Tempt shrugs
[12:07:48] <Tempt> Perhaps it exploded while you weren't looking?
[12:08:01] <trochej> Tempt: Nope, sorry
[12:08:04] <palowoda> save the build 68 driver and replace it with the 67 driver and see if it works.
[12:08:11] <Tempt> What he said.
[12:08:24] <Tempt> Or stick an e1000g in there
[12:08:30] <trochej> Laptop
[12:08:32] <trochej> Ppl, please
[12:09:03] <Berny> powerdown, start again... sometimes powercycle is the best way to reset stuff 8-)
[12:09:45] <Tempt> perhaps clean it out of path_to_inst and do a boot -r
[12:09:48] <Tempt> for good luck.
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[12:13:40] <Tempt> Hmmm, my machine is nearly idle.
[12:13:57] <Tempt> It needs work to do since the render job and the passwd crack job finished.
[12:14:00] <dlg> Tempt: virtualize!
[12:14:11] <Tempt> Virtualize what?
[12:14:21] <Tempt> I've already consolidated everything down to one box
[12:14:22] <trygvis> seti@home!
[12:14:53] <Tempt> Something that isn't basically the same as idling? :-)
[12:15:24] <trygvis> but it is power consuming idling! ;)
[12:15:24] <Tempt> I created another oracle instance on this machine today just to see if it would let me drop sysaux. It didn't.
[12:16:01] <trochej> You all assume that I carry aluBer	Did it
[12:16:02] <Tempt> Actually, I wonder how many concurrent 10g instances I could run on one machine ...
[12:17:20] <trochej> Fuck
[12:17:27] <trochej> And wifi is just crappy here
[12:17:40] <jengelh> "Ber did it"? :)
[12:17:48] <trochej> It was supposed to be:
[12:17:53] <trochej> Berny: I already did
[12:18:29] <trochej> jengelh: And thank you very much, just hide back under your rock
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[12:19:19] <jengelh> meh
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[12:27:14] <Tempt> trochej: Reboot didn't help?
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[12:28:43] <trochej> Nope
[12:29:08] 
[12:29:53] <Tempt> More the power cycle resets the state of the hardware.
[12:30:02] <Tempt> It *IS* a PC, after all.
[12:30:48] <Tempt> Would anyone here be interested in a colourized prstat?
[12:31:09] <Tempt> Perhaps one with some hacks to report correct memory size so Oracle doesn't screw memory stats?
[12:32:24] <trochej> Hmm
[12:32:25] <trochej> Maybe
[12:34:58] <renihs> Tempt, me would
[12:35:08] <renihs> if you ever have seen dstat on linux...you know why :p
[12:35:16] <renihs> it makes it so much more readable
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[12:37:32] <Tempt> Hmm
[12:37:37] <Tempt> Might do that tomorrow then.
[12:37:44] <Tempt> Shouldn't take too long.
[12:38:11] <renihs> narf, will remind you :p
[12:38:20] <Tempt> No worries.
[12:39:09] * dlg would like a systat like tool on solaris
[12:39:16] <Tempt> systat?
[12:39:23] <dlg> got a bsd box floating around?
[12:39:26] <dlg> systat vm
[12:39:41] <dlg> it gives you a good overview of what the machine is doing
[12:39:54] <Tempt> Don't have a BSD box kicking around anymore.
[12:40:01] <dlg> boo
[12:41:26] <Tempt> Seriously though, my machine is running at 25% load at the moment and needs something interesting to work on.
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[12:51:19] <Tempt> Windows question: how does one clear the resolver cache on Windows?
[12:51:34] <nightswim> reboot it?
[12:51:51] <Tempt> helpful
[12:51:56] <dlg> ipconfig /something
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[12:52:17] <Tempt> ipconfig /flushdns
[12:52:24] <dlg> yeah, that one
[12:52:25] <nightswim> flushsomething
[12:52:28] <nightswim> that the one yeah
[12:53:22] <Tempt> heh
[12:53:27] <Tempt> that screwed the windows box completely.
[12:53:58] <Cyrille> sounds about right.
[12:54:46] <renihs> i remember the time one had to reboot windows to add another dns server :p
[12:54:55] <renihs> most likely that still required :p
[12:55:08] <bda> It isn't.
[12:55:25] <quasi> mouse movement detected! please reboot windows for the changes to take effect
[12:56:19] <trochej> :)
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[12:56:38] <renihs> ah, the mouse driver was always the most stable part on windows :P
[12:58:13] <Pietro_S> renihs: you never try to connect 4 usb mouse and then plug-in/out, if you do it fast enough wins hangs ;-)
[12:58:23] <Tempt> Since we have such Windows expertise around, how does one disable that "click to activate and use this control" thingy
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[13:01:37] <renihs> Tempt, clicking describes a whole lot things in windows
[13:01:42] <renihs> :p
[13:03:11] <trochej> Tempt: If possible, then probably ony by messing around with Registrs
[13:03:49] <trochej> Tempt: While I did this a few times, it was always experience as close to sucking cock of Freddie Kruger as it can get
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[13:04:21] <Tempt> I give up.
[13:04:46] <bda> trochej: I really hope that's the oddest thing I hear today.
[13:05:08] <trochej> bda: I do hope it is the oddest thing I say today :)
[13:06:20] <renihs> rather unlikely
[13:07:00] <trochej> renihs: Which one ? :)
[13:07:23] <renihs> (last) oddest thing you say today
[13:08:07] <trochej> renihs: Im not that creative, you know
[13:09:34] <renihs> false modesty is also a form of pride :p
[13:14:27] <Tempt> Hmm
[13:14:32] <Tempt> Time to watch teev.
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[13:35:16] <CIT> hey
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[13:36:22] <edwardocallaghan> Who is around ?
[13:36:56] * quasi isn't
[13:37:03] * renihs isnt neither
[13:37:52] <Cyrille> no one is, actually.
[13:38:26] <trochej> Nope, me not
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[13:38:56] <bda> Everyone gotta be Odysseus.
[13:39:57] 
[13:40:13] <bda> trochej: Referencing his fight with the cyclops. :P
[13:46:30] <trochej> bda: Well, one implies another. :)
[13:47:30] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: Good evening.
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[13:56:46] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:Hey how are you?
[13:56:56] <Tempt> Not too bad.
[13:58:10] <Tempt> How's your Solaris magazine work going?
[14:00:21] <edwardocallaghan> OK I found a guy who will may be helping me with some articals
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[14:00:56] <edwardocallaghan> I am just waitting to be near a *nix box so I can ssh into my new zone I was given :)
[14:01:38] <Tempt> Wow. Looks like Sybase have fallen out of love with Sun.
[14:01:59] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: What stops you ssh'ing from where you are now?
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[14:04:43] <edwardocallaghan> Don't know; Putty did not work on these computers, they use a proxy here, maybe thats it ?
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[14:06:52] <Tempt> perhaps
[14:07:09] <Pietro_S> edwardocallaghan: if I'm not mistaken you can configure putty to use proxy ...
[14:07:18] <Tempt> If you can get https out you could bounce via an SSGD server
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[14:09:46] <edwardocallaghan> whats an SSGD server?
[14:11:24] <asyd> secure global desktop
[14:12:02] <trochej> God, just love, when my clients start the "Can't it be done cheaper?"
[14:13:06] <edwardocallaghan> asyd:Oh thanks
[14:13:13] <edwardocallaghan> Looks like I got a login
[14:13:54] <edwardocallaghan> brb
[14:14:36] <quasi> trochej: that's when you say "sure, which of the four wheel do you want your car without?" ;)
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[14:19:13] <trochej> Yes, I suppose
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[14:20:15] <quasi> that's what I tend to do - suggest cutting something out that they really, really want
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[14:21:53] <edwardocallaghan> no, could not get in
[14:21:56] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[14:22:16] <edwardocallaghan> I must be typing the wrong username ?
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[14:39:19] <edwardocallaghan> Hey; Where is the changes log for SXCE ?
[14:39:37] <edwardocallaghan> Use to be in the subject ..?
[14:39:38] <richlowe> there isn't one.
[14:39:42] <richlowe> not for all of it.
[14:40:19] <edwardocallaghan> The one that highlights what drivers have been added ect.. in each new build..
[14:40:27] <richlowe> there's the ON putback logs (either look at onnv-notify@, or I think dlc.sun.com has them), and JDS's (dunno if/where they publish them, but look at their svn repo), and the X ones that alanc mails to xwin-discuss@ et al. every so often.
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[14:40:46] <richlowe> you probably mean http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/
[14:40:53] <richlowe> which isn't quite the same, but will tell you that. :)
[14:41:46] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
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[14:46:03] <Tempt> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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[14:53:30] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:?
[14:54:06] <Tempt> pile of pipes?
[14:54:13] <Tempt> Or leaning on keyboard ...
[14:54:39] <_mary_kate_> |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| is a new bash directive to do something wonderful
[14:55:12] <quasi> good thing I use ksh then
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[14:56:34] <Tempt> Is that ksh93?
[14:56:43] <quasi> no, hell no
[14:57:14] <Tempt> In the latest ksh93, that command launches two embedded Oracle instances, six application servers, a few copies of apache and a bittorrent client.
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[15:02:25] <benignbala> Hello, Can some one tell me from where I can download snv 60 or greater?
[15:02:38] <benignbala> *later
[15:02:56] <Cyrille> wouldn't the url in the topic help?
[15:03:40] <benignbala> Well I am sorry. I didn notice it and I use Emacs erc client. So can you please get it for me?
[15:04:19] <richlowe> opensolaris.org/sxcr_dvd
[15:04:20] <quasi> benignbala: opensolaris.org/sxce_dvd
[15:04:37] <richlowe> that may still be broken though.
[15:04:38] <benignbala> Thanks a lot for all.
[15:04:39] <quasi> richlowe: sxcr?
[15:04:41] <Tempt> Alarm bells are ringing - emacs!
[15:04:51] <benignbala> Tempt: Why?
[15:04:52] * Tempt enables forward defence turrets
[15:04:53] <richlowe> quasi: the old links are still there.
[15:04:57] <_mary_kate_> an irc client that can't even show the topic?
[15:05:01] <_mary_kate_> that sounds a bit useless
[15:05:02] <richlowe> quasi: or were, last I looked
[15:05:10] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Of course it shows the topic.
[15:05:12] <Cyrille> I use ed(1) irc client ;-)
[15:05:24] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: You just have to hit alt-meta-doublebucky-cokebottle-escape-escape-hyper-super-T
[15:05:26] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: ERC is one of those things that will do nearly everything if you tell it to, but generally does nearly nothing.
[15:05:33] <richlowe> much like interns.
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[15:05:36] <benignbala> I am a Emacs user. It does show the topic. I didn notice it.
[15:05:37] <quasi> richlowe: oh, right - seems to work as well - just looked like a type
[15:05:39] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: much like emacs itself, then
[15:05:54] <edwardocallaghan> zsh :)
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[15:06:36] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: we have the opposite problem with interns.  they do things well beyond their pay grade
[15:06:49] <Tempt> Do they do it well?
[15:07:08] <Cyrille> doing better than not much is hardly an achievement ;-)
[15:07:45] <Tempt> Fire them.
[15:07:50] <Tempt> Can't have them showing everyone else up.
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[15:14:43] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:Do you know what the story is with Telstra and new jobs as a SCSA ? boyd was saying something about it.
[15:16:00] <Tempt> SCSA?
[15:16:35] <edwardocallaghan> Solaris Admin
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[15:16:49] <Tempt> You're going to have to add some more detail.
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[15:18:49] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: ?
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[15:21:38] <trochej> http://www.flickr.com/photos/trochej/827726269/
[15:23:07] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:Sorry http://www.sun.com/training/certification/solaris/scsa.xml
[15:23:16] <edwardocallaghan> Sun Certified System Administrator (SCSA)
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[15:27:36] <Tempt> Okay.
[15:27:50] <Tempt> I know Telstra has been paying for employees to get certified in some departments.
[15:27:58] <Tempt> What have you heard?
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[15:35:14] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:boyd said they got a load of new 25k's and are looking for people..
[15:35:30] <edwardocallaghan> Do you think I should apply ?
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[15:37:12] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: They got a lot of 25ks a while ago
[15:37:19] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: But Telstra aren't looking for people, IBM are looking for people
[15:37:31] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: IBM have the contract to manage all those 25ks.
[15:37:51] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: IBM are paying up to around $800/day for people with 25k and cluster background, so I'd go for it.
[15:37:59] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: (as long as you want to work for IBM)
[15:38:22] <Berny> hmm, 25k isn't too different from a 4800 i guess.. so where are those jobs?
[15:38:27] <quasi> doing solaris at ibm is a bit of a deadend career ;)
[15:38:29] <_mary_kate_> wouldn't it make sense to get the people before the hardware?
[15:38:36] <quasi> Berny: quite different
[15:38:43] <Tempt> quasi: IBM Global Services
[15:38:57] <Berny> quasi: they're big, they run solaris, i can handle them ;-)
[15:38:58] <jmcp> Berny: 25k can be a *lot* different from the serengeti midrange
[15:39:01] <Tempt> quasi: They support more Solaris for Telstra than Sun does, and they've got most of the hardware contracts too,
[15:39:10] <Tempt> 25K is different but still easy
[15:39:15] <quasi> Tempt: I think they changed their name a couple of times since they were IGS
[15:39:27] <Tempt> In Australia, they still call it IBM GS.
[15:39:30] <Tempt> It used to be GSA.
[15:39:41] <quasi> Tempt: actually I used to work for them doing solaris
[15:39:55] <csjp> can I assign X CPUs to a zone?
[15:40:16] <quasi> csjp: yes
[15:40:30] <quasi> csjp: if you have x cpus to spare ;)
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[15:40:59] <Berny> oh well australia is a little too far away ...
[15:41:05] <Tempt> I don't think I'd want to work for IBM.
[15:41:14] <Tempt> They've got the muppet brigade on that 25k project.
[15:41:21] <Berny> neither would i but 800$ a day i would take :-)
[15:41:23] <Tempt> It could damage your industry reputation badly.
[15:41:28] <quasi> csjp: see http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Zones_Resource_Controls
[15:41:33] <csjp> quasi: I sure do :)
[15:41:43] <csjp> quasi: awesome, thanks!
[15:43:09] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:Well I already worked for IBM as work experience in the UK
[15:43:48] <edwardocallaghan> I'm a student and I have not got to delight to touch a shell into one yet
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[15:44:20] <edwardocallaghan> But I would be willing to do all the trainning if I am getting support for it
[15:44:42] <edwardocallaghan> Who knows I may end up with boyd as my teacher :~P
[15:45:00] <Tempt> I think IBM are looking for people who already have the training.
[15:45:34] <Tempt> They've already got a lot of no-hopers, so they're hiring contractors like crazy with the experience to cover up the ex-telstra staff they took on and can't fire because of contractual mess.
[15:45:35] * quasi sure as hell wouldn't let a beginner loose on e25k production systems
[15:46:01] <Tempt> I'd take a beginner over some of the muppets they've got
[15:46:09] <quasi> that bad?
[15:46:17] <Tempt> Absolutely.
[15:46:43] <Tempt> They've got no idea (they have beginner's knowledge) but arrogance ++
[15:47:00] <Tempt> So they blindly storm in fucking things up, whereas a beginner might try to at least read the manpage first.
[15:47:19] <Berny> well as long as a 25k runs it just runs i assume... if there are problems call the pro's ;-)
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[15:48:19] <quasi> Berny: that would mean handing over money to the competition - how likely do you think they are to do that?
[15:49:09] <quasi> Berny: knowing them, they'll do their best to fsck-up the whole deal while trying to sell the customer a power 6 migration
[15:49:17] <Berny> yuck
[15:49:27] <Berny> well in that case i'll roll the 25k home :-)
[15:49:34] <Berny> or better i don't
[15:49:46] <Berny> might get killed as soon as i reach the door step at home
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[15:50:21] <edwardocallaghan> This is a great page http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Solaris_Internals
[15:50:30] <edwardocallaghan> *Thanks ^
[15:50:51] <Tempt> alright; oracle patch season
[15:50:54] <Tempt> yay for ZFS snapshot.
[15:51:08] <hali> oracle on zfs? *shudder*
[15:51:17] <edwardocallaghan> Well I have been using Linux for a long time now and I am starting to get the hang of Solaris
[15:51:32] <quasi> Tempt: I thought their monster patch was supposed to arrive tomorrow?
[15:52:03] <Tempt> Which one is that?
[15:52:33] <hali> cpu q3?
[15:52:39] * quasi recalls seeing what happens when linux lusers start solaris admin - they tend to look a bit surprised when they find that killall does exactly what the name suggests and takes no options ;)
[15:52:46] <Tempt> haha
[15:52:59] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[15:53:02] <Tempt> Of course I can administer this production e25k cluster, I've got root in my linux box after all.
[15:53:14] * quasi was not entirely impressed with the guy who did it twice
[15:53:28] <edwardocallaghan> <oh S**t> err Sir, about your e25k..
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[15:54:27] <edwardocallaghan> Well, the only thing I am trying to get the hang of is pkg and patch 'the right way'
[15:55:57] <Berny> skip patching, install nevada 8-)
[15:56:03] <edwardocallaghan> The other thing is not really relivent I guess but how to get Solaris x86 to work on generic hardware like Asus MB's that are really anoying me at the moment
[15:56:40] <edwardocallaghan> Well I am learn production style <Berny>
[15:56:55] <Pietro_S> which asus, I have one with only sxce 65
[15:56:58] <Berny> next tip: if it works, don't patch :-)
[15:57:16] <edwardocallaghan> I plan to do a SCSA, I am just reading though the book and will do the exam on my own.
[15:58:25] <edwardocallaghan> Hold on, i'll find out
[15:59:36] <Berny> yikes
[15:59:39] <Tempt> I don't think I know anyone with a current Sun cert for Solaris.
[15:59:50] <Tempt> I know a few people with Veritas certs and Cluster, but not the Solaris.
[16:00:01] <Tempt> Except maybe some of the people who were getting a free cert might have them by now.
[16:00:07] <Berny> time for another call :-\
[16:00:17] <Tempt> Most of them kept failing the exams anyway
[16:00:22] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[16:00:34] <Tempt> Don't laugh too hard.
[16:00:38] <Berny> how do you fail such an exam? are they that hard?
[16:00:41] <edwardocallaghan> Asus M2N8-VMX
[16:00:44] <CIA-26> frankho: 6561724 UFS cstyle cleanup, and TRACE_*() macro call removals
[16:00:45] <CIA-26> zk194757: 6556778 vnet does not handle ldc_init failure properly, 6559924 vgen_mdeg_cb fails to realease lock properly when error occurs
[16:00:50] <Tempt> They aren't *hard* but they are tricky.
[16:00:53] <Tempt> This was the Sol9 cert.
[16:01:14] <Tempt> You lost 12 marks if you didn't know how to set up printing on Sol9, and a lot of people never, ever print from Solaris.
[16:01:23] <edwardocallaghan> yes tricky is the word for it
[16:01:27] <Tempt> You lose another fistful of marks if you've never done centralized LDAP auth on Solaris.
[16:01:28] <edwardocallaghan> no man pages
[16:01:29] <Berny> pkgadd SFWcupsd 8-)
[16:01:33] <_mary_kate_> does "vi printcap" count as an answer?
[16:01:45] <Berny> +%* _mary_kate_
[16:01:51] <Berny> 5* even
[16:01:55] <Tempt> I think the questions drill down a little more.
[16:01:56] <edwardocallaghan> So you have to remember a load of bloody switchs
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[16:02:43] <Tempt> Anyway, I remember the complaint subjects being: LDAP, NIS, printing, process accounting
[16:03:00] <edwardocallaghan> Berny: you mean pkgadd -d SFWcupsd :D
[16:03:03] <Tempt> You can get through a lot of commercial Solaris work without touching any of those.
[16:03:31] <edwardocallaghan> Oh good !
[16:03:44] <Berny> edwardocallaghan: pkgadd -d. SFWcupsd :-P
[16:03:49] <Tempt> But they're on the exam...
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[16:04:15] <_mary_kate_> the hardest part of setting up printing (on 10 anyway) is remembering the stupid path to the printadm thing
[16:04:31] <edwardocallaghan> Well if I pass the exam, how much do you think that will affect me from where I stand now ?
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[16:07:25] <Tempt> Not really.
[16:07:39] <Tempt> The biggest requirement for employment as a Solaris admin is commercial experience.
[16:07:46] <Berny> you may learn something new... besides that if you survived so far... no big changes i guess
[16:12:01] <edwardocallaghan> So thats a bit of a catch 22 for me
[16:12:18] <Tempt> It's the industry catch-22
[16:12:29] <Tempt> Usually people "fall" into sysadmin work
[16:12:32] <Tempt> They don't set out for it.
[16:12:36] <richlowe> which is why many of them suck :)
[16:13:06] * Berny would set out for sysad from where i'm now :-)
[16:13:10] <edwardocallaghan> You see I plan to do AstroPhysics at uni but would like to do some remote admin type jobs for the cash thats going to be required
[16:13:11] <Tempt> Generally, people who want to get into it get a job at an ISP being paid below industry average
[16:13:16] <Tempt> or they get a junior admin role and progress.
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[16:13:42] <Berny> or they start admin at uni and get paid even less
[16:13:43] <Tempt> I wish you the best of luck with that plan, but you'll be struggling to find work. After all, you're in Australia.
[16:14:01] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[16:14:12] <edwardocallaghan> Well, what can I do
[16:14:21] <Berny> you can admin a 4800 while being on holiday in the carribbean without much hassle though
[16:14:35] <Tempt> What can you do?
[16:14:36] <edwardocallaghan> Would I be better off carrying on with my Linux cert ?
[16:14:46] <Tempt> Put in the hard yards, get some industry reputation and then go for the gigs.
[16:14:49] <Berny> been there, done that...
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[16:15:07] <Tempt> Or...
[16:15:14] <Tempt> Run while you still can and stick to astrophysics.
[16:15:15] <Berny> get a rich wife
[16:15:24] <Berny> good one!
[16:15:26] <Cyrille> two if you can
[16:15:29] <Tempt> Listen closely to the words of Cliff Stoll, an astronomer who got stuck being a sysadmin
[16:15:32] <Berny> learn something decent son
[16:15:33] <Tempt> It ruined his life.
[16:16:02] <Tempt> If you want privs on the big boxes, be a DBA
[16:16:03] <Cyrille> study astrophysics and then get into astrology, that's where the big bucks are... ;-)
[16:16:07] <Tempt> They get paid more and do less work.
[16:16:22] <edwardocallaghan> lol hold up
[16:16:46] * Tempt mutters angrily at Oracle.
[16:16:55] <edwardocallaghan> No I plan to go on from there a do RF R&D in Astro and Telco you see
[16:17:09] <Cyrille> RF?
[16:17:14] <Berny> looking for aliens ey?
[16:17:21] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[16:17:28] <Cyrille> not far from astrology then
[16:17:38] <edwardocallaghan> no just front end stuff and LNA type things
[16:17:39] 
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[16:18:07] <edwardocallaghan> I'm no.1 ;)
[16:18:19] <Berny> no1 in what?
[16:18:34] <Cyrille> is "astro and telco" associated because once you find ET, it usually wants to phone home?
[16:18:45] <edwardocallaghan> Nuking a windows install
[16:18:46] <Berny> lol Cyrille
[16:18:53] <Tempt> Aah, Windows
[16:18:55] <Tempt> Nuke it from orbit
[16:18:58] <Berny> thats no magic even my dad can do that
[16:18:59] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[16:18:59] <Tempt> The only way to be sure.
[16:19:39] <edwardocallaghan> dd /dev/zero /dev/dsk/c0d0t0p0
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[16:19:56] <edwardocallaghan> OK I think I got that right as its /dev/sda in Linux
[16:20:07] <Berny> :>
[16:20:50] <Tempt> We can start you on the sysadmin track
[16:20:57] <Tempt> First, give me your home and mobile phone numbers
[16:21:02] <Berny> hehe
[16:21:06] <Tempt> I'll call you every now and again when you're busy doing something else.
[16:21:18] <Berny> or just asleep
[16:21:29] <Tempt> Preferably in your sleeping hours.
[16:21:40] <Berny> *5* Tempt
[16:21:44] <Tempt> If you're getting laid, I'll call 35 seconds before you blow your load.
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[16:22:20] <Tempt> And I'll blame you for everything that goes wrong in my life.
[16:22:24] <edwardocallaghan> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/about_whatsnew.html watch the video on this site :)
[16:23:02] <nachox> Tempt: hehe, that really looks like a sysadmin job :)
[16:23:13] <Tempt> Oh, and remember Oracle?
[16:23:23] <Tempt> We'll expect you to know almost as much as your DBAs about Oracle.
[16:23:26] <Tempt> But we'll pay you less
[16:23:40] <Cyrille> alternatively, you could show up at his place, ruin his computer by randomly pulling cables and running destructive commands, then demand he fixes it while you abuse him and ask "is it done yet?".
[16:23:53] <Tempt> despite the fact that their UNIX knowledge ends after . /usr/local/bin/oraenv ; sqlplus / as sysdba
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[16:24:30] <Tempt> And to truly prepare you for your first sysadmin job, you do a week's work experience with me.
[16:24:48] <Tempt> and you get to be the junior admin for that week
[16:25:02] <Berny> all the dirty work while tempt goes golfing?
[16:25:05] <edwardocallaghan> When do I start Mr. Tempt?
[16:25:13] <Tempt> Whenever you like
[16:25:18] <Tempt> Bring a bucket and a scrubbing brush
[16:25:30] <edwardocallaghan> Lets do it..
[16:25:39] <Berny> fix everything without having root pw or other privileges
[16:25:43] <Tempt> Your first duty will be to swab the decks.
[16:25:48] <edwardocallaghan> I can clean your mouth out..
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[16:26:25] <Tempt> I had a junior swab the decks once before.
[16:26:41] <edwardocallaghan> OK I can clean the desk Mr. Tempt. I will put all the systems on it on ebay then the desk will just need a wipe down
[16:26:56] <Tempt> Take a stack of floor tiles outside, shine 'em up and put 'em back. Repeat until either you run out of tiles or you've paid enough for your crime.
[16:27:44] <edwardocallaghan> Got you, clean tiles; then sell them on ebay to cover for my crime..
[16:28:14] <Tempt> So, have we been convinced that a new industry is what you need, not a certification?
[16:28:14] <Cyrille> do you have some sort of partnership with ebay which makes you want to sell everything over there?
[16:28:35] <edwardocallaghan> No.
[16:28:46] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: And while you're stealing machines, can I get an 890? With 8 x 2.1Ghz US-IVs and 64Gb of RAM?
[16:28:53] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: and a large order of disks?
[16:28:57] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: to go?
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[16:29:02] <CSFrost> your being robbed if you cough up that much for that many listing fees :-P
[16:29:12] <richlowe> Tempt: the question is "Would it patch any faster?"
[16:29:16] <richlowe> Tempt: (did your patch run ever finish?)
[16:29:17] <Berny> lol richlowe
[16:29:20] <Berny> hey frosty
[16:29:29] <edwardocallaghan> I'm not stupid man, I just need cash flow to build my education up in uni
[16:29:37] <CSFrost> Morning Berny, morning boys :-P
[16:29:53] <edwardocallaghan> I really don't care if its what I 'should' get for the job I am doing
[16:29:57] <CSFrost> edwardocallaghan, that's quite the ironic statement :-P
[16:30:04] <Tempt> Hey, CSF.
[16:30:11] <Tempt> Have a good day/night/morning/evening?
[16:30:39] <CSFrost> yep, I just have that bad habit of forgetting which day/night/morning/evening it is :-)
[16:31:10] <Tempt> I was just thinking of a useful IRC macro, actually. It memorizes TZ info for your friends and then you always get it right for their TZ.
[16:31:19] <Tempt> If I was utterly bored, I'd write it.
[16:31:28] * Berny wonders if german telekom gets the phone working on the same day they scheduled it in the new appatrment
[16:31:31] <CSFrost> I do know I have a phone call to make in 2 hours, because there is a post-it on my monitor saying "Stupid, remember to make your calls at 12:30"
[16:31:50] <CSFrost> monitors always insult me..
[16:31:51] <Berny> lol
[16:32:15] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:What would you recomend then if you were me?
[16:32:17] <Berny> get your mobile/pda to remember you of such sthings
[16:32:23] <edwardocallaghan> <no I am asking for it>
[16:32:36] <edwardocallaghan> %s/no/now/
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[16:32:43] <CSFrost> I have time zone's pretty well memorized.. it's just remembering which one I am in...
[16:32:55] <Berny> edwardocallaghan: you're very masochist aren't you :-)
[16:32:56] <richlowe> I always attempt to guess based on geography
[16:33:01] <CSFrost> but it's 1030 here now :-)
[16:33:08] <richlowe> it's doomed to failure, but you have a good excuse.
[16:33:27] <Berny> so frosty is in ny?
[16:33:30] <CSFrost> edwardocallaghan, a "fluffer" I think they call it, they are always hiring those
[16:33:31] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: Do you drink whisky?
[16:33:35] <CSFrost> Berny, yep
[16:34:16] <edwardocallaghan> Berny:I had a lot of 'punishment' in my life
[16:35:47] <edwardocallaghan> boring as sysad are, they make income and its someting that relativity easy for me to pick up
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[16:36:32] <edwardocallaghan> As I am better then most at a starting point
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[16:36:36] <CSFrost> "You get 5 dollar hour!"
[16:36:43] <CSFrost> "But I am highly skilled!"
[16:36:52] <CSFrost> "5 dollar or no job!"
[16:36:59] <CSFrost> "5 dollars it is!"
[16:37:22] <edwardocallaghan> Well I already got paid more then that in my last job
[16:37:34] <CSFrost> Your in AU now.
[16:37:51] <CSFrost> "5 dollar" is maximum wage.
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[16:38:14] <Berny> except for escorts i assume :-)
[16:38:23] <edwardocallaghan> ha, ture. However, can I not get a job else were as a remote admin ?
[16:38:26] <CSFrost> and fluffers.
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[16:39:06] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone got info on a Asus M2N8-VMX MB and OpenSolaris ?
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[16:39:56] <edwardocallaghan> Also, should ACPI be turn on or off and if so what version, v.1 , 2 or 3 as there is a option ?
[16:40:30] <Tempt> Jul 17 00:39:26 taco pcfs: [ID 744418 kern.warning] WARNING: corrupted PC file system on dev 12d.1
[16:40:36] <Tempt> w00t.
[16:41:06] <CSFrost> I have an asus something or other.. unfortunately until amd get's their act together, I have no cpu's :-P
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[16:41:33] <Boingo> has anyone here successfully setup pam_mysql with md5 encryption on solaris?
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[16:44:02] <Tempt> quick poll - how many sessions do you guys currently have open in screen?
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[16:44:15] <edwardocallaghan> CSFrost:What?
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[16:44:45] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:none, XP's max=none
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[16:45:00] <CSFrost> What in regards to what? :-P
[16:45:03] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: Thought you were logged into your new zone of d00m?
[16:46:37] <edwardocallaghan> lol, no pass/user is not right
[16:46:50] <edwardocallaghan> I am wait for dclarke to email me back
[16:47:20] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:Are you awake/around yet?
[16:48:01] <edwardocallaghan> I look forward to my 'zone of d00m' as Tempt likes to put it
[16:48:23] <edwardocallaghan> Oh I got to go
[16:48:44] <edwardocallaghan> I am in a mates room and it looks like he has pass'ed out !? :p
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[16:51:34] <nachox> what tool is replacing wificonfig?
[16:51:44] <mihaic> dladm
[16:52:08] <mihaic> dladm will absolete wificonfig, see the manpage.
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[16:52:40] <CSFrost> up in yer config, absol33ting yer wifi
[16:53:13] <Cyrille> absolete? that sounds like a scary thing...
[16:53:30] <Cyrille> it's like absolutely obsoleting, or something.
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[16:54:07] <mihaic> 4Bah
[16:54:25] <mihaic> I come home from a hard day's work and there's some morons beating conga drums outside
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[16:54:46] <CSFrost> Africa?
[16:54:53] <CSFrost> or South America?
[16:55:04] <mihaic> No, I think they're just retarded :-)
[16:55:44] <CSFrost> heh
[16:56:21] <mihaic> Hm... I wonder if they'll just get tired and foad.
[16:57:32] <CSFrost> No gong at home?
[16:58:42] <mihaic> Nah
[16:58:47] <Tempt> damn hippies and their damn drums
[16:58:57] <Tempt> pour boiling oil over them.
[16:59:07] <mihaic> That mau just work :-)
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[17:01:38] <Tempt> aah, man, however did we get any computing done before UNIX?
[17:01:59] <renihs> we did?
[17:02:18] <CSFrost> with little wooden things on metal rods?
[17:02:30] <mihaic> Tempt: there was a "before UNIX"?
[17:02:38] <Tempt> You didn't run UNIX on your abacus?
[17:02:50] <renihs> abacus thats the word
[17:02:51] <mihaic> I thought time began midnight UTC of January 1, 1970.
[17:02:52] <renihs> :p
[17:02:59] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:see ya later
[17:03:05] <Tempt> See ya later.
[17:03:16] <edwardocallaghan> laters people, till next time
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[17:03:46] * Tempt takes a look at this "ruby on rails" that everyone was banging on about a few years ago.
[17:04:12] <mihaic> That's so last Tuesday.
[17:04:24] <mihaic> The jazz is all about JRuby now!
[17:05:19] <CSFrost> and SJSWEJRuby
[17:06:10] <mihaic> Tempt: just get Netbeans 6, should come with JRuby supporting RoR
[17:06:59] <CSFrost> he might not want Jruby though.. with java being slow and all
[17:07:14] <mihaic> CSFrost: he may want one with Java being scalable and threaded and all
[17:07:32] <Cyrille> java being slow is so last century
[17:07:49] <Tempt> Oh, I have machinery to offset java bloat.
[17:07:54] <Cyrille> rm?
[17:07:56] <Tempt> What else will help me consume my 20Gb of RAM?
[17:08:05] <mihaic> w00t
[17:08:12] <mihaic> Tempt: Ruby won't scale well, JRuby will.
[17:08:15] <CSFrost> Your right.. Java is the way to go.
[17:08:19] <Tempt> Memory size: 20480 Megabytes
[17:08:20] <mihaic> So on high end hardware
[17:08:23] <mihaic> JRuby will kick ass.
[17:08:34] <CSFrost> Glassfish also supports Rails.
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[17:08:55] <Tempt> Hey, I just wanted a fiddletoy for a little while
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[17:09:14] <Tempt> I'm waiting for these Oracle upgrades to finish (they're eating all 8 CPUs up yum-yum)
[17:09:20] <mihaic> w00t
[17:09:35] <mihaic> Hey!
[17:09:40] <CSFrost> You need some more CPU's then.. perhaps a 4800
[17:09:50] <Tempt> No. I need an 890
[17:09:52] <Tempt> Dual core CPUs!
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[17:10:04] <cmihai> Right :-)
[17:10:12] <Tempt> Or Niagara2
[17:10:13] <Tempt> 8 of 'em
[17:10:16] * _william_ is back
[17:10:24] <Tempt> Ooh, must take a look at the new Niagara2 box this week
[17:10:38] <CSFrost> 2's are out?
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[17:10:50] <Tempt> There is apparently one in Australia.
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[17:11:45] <Tempt> And people I know have it to play with.
[17:12:05] <cmihai> Gasp
[17:12:30] <CSFrost> would be neat to compare it to a t2k
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[17:12:42] <Tempt> It apparently blows the fucking doors of a T2k
[17:12:46] <CSFrost> see how much performance boost, etc.
[17:13:01] <Cyrille> measure how far the doors are blown, etc.
[17:13:08] <Tempt> Although they can't even reinstall it, because the OS build is handy kludged because the hardware is so new.
[17:13:37] <Tempt> Hmmm
[17:13:42] <Tempt> Perhaps I can snap a cheeky photo
[17:13:53] <cmihai> w00t
[17:13:56] <Tempt> aah crap
[17:13:59] <CSFrost> would have thought they'd start integrating changes into sxce for it.
[17:14:02] <Tempt> I need a database to play with this rails stuff
[17:14:07] <Tempt> and my Oracle instances are still upgrading.
[17:14:09] <Tempt> pooh.
[17:14:13] <cmihai> PostgreSQL
[17:14:22] <CSFrost> yea PSQL
[17:14:39] <Tempt> But I want to use Oracle.
[17:14:43] <cmihai> No, you don't :-)
[17:14:52] <Tempt> Yes, yes, I do.
[17:15:03] <cmihai> Just use a PostgreSQL zone or something :-]
[17:15:03] <CSFrost> "No, to the Pain!"
[17:15:07] <cmihai> hehe
[17:15:30] <Tempt> Hmmm
[17:15:33] <Tempt> Err...
[17:15:34] <Tempt> No!
[17:15:35] <Tempt> Ha!
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[17:15:54] <Tempt> Although if I was doing a zone, I could just clone one now that I've patched up to have that functionality.
[17:15:57] <Tempt> Hmmm
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[17:17:07] <Tempt> Man
[17:17:13] <Tempt> Sun adds about dancingbabies.
[17:17:29] <Tempt> Apparently the ideal SX user loves java dancing babies
[17:17:42] <cmihai> he does? Mein got!
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[17:21:30] <_william_> any url about dancingbabies ? :)
[17:21:53] <Tempt> nah
[17:21:59] <Tempt> It just in an advert
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[17:23:49] <CSFrost> hrm, just enough time to read a book before I start doing anything
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[17:46:13] <Plouj> so, does opensolaris have any way to resize (shrink and grow) raid arrays?
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[17:50:08] <seanmcg> Plouj: man growfs for ufs..
[17:50:09] <cmihai> Plouj: depends on what you're using. With ZFS, just switch the disks or add more disks to the pool, it will automagically grow. With Veritas, it's veritas
[17:50:29] <cmihai> Basically you're growing the Array, then the volume then the fs.
[17:50:45] <cmihai> ZFS grows automagically, Veritas has tools, UFS has growfs. Simple.
[17:50:59] <Plouj> well, if I'm building a NAS, I guess I could use NFS
[17:51:08] <Plouj> what about shrinkfs?
[17:51:13] <cmihai> NFS is not a filesystem hehe
[17:51:15] <timeless> why shrink?
[17:51:18] <seanmcg> one doesn't really want to grow a ufs (with svm underneath)...
[17:51:20] <timeless> you could use samba too
[17:51:29] <cmihai> Just use ZFS :P
[17:51:35] <cmihai> Works great with iSCSI and NFS too, easy to use.
[17:51:40] <cmihai> zfs set sharenfs=rw storage/pr0n -> done
[17:51:45] <timeless> plouj: ZFS does whatever you want
[17:51:47] <Plouj> timeless: because I might not need a huge raid0 array all the time
[17:51:54] <cmihai> timeless: doesn't actually shrink :P
[17:51:59] <timeless> plouj: what will you do with the piece you don't need?
[17:52:01] <cmihai> Plouj: erm, RAID-0?
[17:52:04] <timeless> remove the hard drives?
[17:52:13] <cmihai> Plouj: just go RAIDZ or RAIDZ2 or RAID-10 or whatever.
[17:52:28] <timeless> hard drives become obsolete
[17:52:33] <cmihai> Anyway, do you guys have any idea if http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=232 is just a mass storage device?
[17:52:36] <cmihai> Eg: works with Solaris?
[17:52:39] <timeless> it's cheaper to buy a new drive in a new place in most cases
[17:52:40] <Plouj> my plan is this: http://plouj.sh.nu/nas-server.html#RaidArrays
[17:52:45] <cmihai> I might get 4 for a pr0n storage array
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[17:52:56] <timeless> unless you're google and want to ship hundreds of drives via fedex or whatever
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[17:53:04] <Plouj> cmihai: I don't have enough disks for raid 10
[17:53:15] <cmihai> You need 4.
[17:53:23] <Plouj> I know
[17:53:34] <cmihai> Right.
[17:53:37] <cmihai> Get another 1.
[17:53:40] <Plouj> and btw, that comment on the bottom of that page was written without proper research
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[17:53:47] <cmihai> You have 3, you want both reliability and speed.
[17:54:01] <cmihai> Anyway, it will reach.
[17:54:10] <cmihai> So get 2GbE cards and aggregate them.
[17:54:11] <Plouj> what will reach what?
[17:54:28] <cmihai> "although this array could potentially reach R/W speeds of 150MBps and higher I don't think I need any more bandwidth than what a single gigabit channel will provide."
[17:54:32] <cmihai> False.
[17:54:34] <cmihai> It will.
[17:54:44] <Plouj> ohh
[17:54:56] <cmihai> 3 drives in RAID-0 or 4 in RAID-10 will easily fill 2 Gigabit cards.
[17:55:01] <Plouj> if I see a problem I'll get a PCIE-E gigabit NIC
[17:55:23] <cmihai> It's also nice for redundancy.
[17:55:34] <Plouj> 120MB/s is fine for me
[17:55:57] <Plouj> anyways, that's not the sissue
[17:55:58] <Plouj> issue*
[17:56:05] <cmihai> Well
[17:56:09] <cmihai> Then fuck RAID-0 mate.
[17:56:14] <Plouj> the question is wether I can have such flexible arrays
[17:56:21] <cmihai> RAIDZ should also fill 1 GbE card.
[17:56:27] <cmihai> With proper hardware anyway.
[17:56:38] <Plouj> cmihai: are you saying that RAISZ will l fill 1GgE card on read and write?
[17:56:41] <cmihai> Yes you can, now stop planning and start the real work.
[17:56:51] <Plouj> what do you mean by "proper hardware"
[17:56:57] <cmihai> Plouj: pretty much depends on the hardware, but most cases, it will.
[17:57:15] <cmihai> I don't know, any 2-way 64bit machine with 2GB RAM?
[17:57:20] <cmihai> Besides
[17:57:23] <cmihai> ZFS caches a lot
[17:57:26] <Plouj> cmihai: I can't afford $500 on hardware that I won't be ablet o use because of some serious software flaw that I overlooked
[17:57:29] <cmihai> Even if it won't fill it on raw disk speed...
[17:57:41] <cmihai> The cache will blow through that.
[17:57:48] <cmihai> So you'd still lose a lot.
[17:57:49] <Plouj> so the mor ram the better?
[17:57:52] <cmihai> Duh
[17:57:52] <seanmcg> if filling a 1Gb pipe, then add another 1Gb card and aggregate.  both ends are easy, zpool add, dladm create-aggr/add-aggr...
[17:58:26] <cmihai> Look, ZFS is fine, Solaris is fine, no real bad software flaws around, or they wouldn't put it in production.
[17:58:31] <Plouj> sorry for typos, my end is lagging
[17:58:36] <cmihai> Whatever.
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[17:59:08] <jpdrawneek> only problem with solaris/zfs at the moment is thw lack of sata cards support
[17:59:14] <cmihai> Bottom line: 2 core 64bit CPU (or 2 way, whatever) is recommended, the more RAM the better, ECC if possible.
[17:59:16] <Plouj> cmihai: ok, I'm still trying to disspell any misconceptions I might have gottenfrom some ZFS articles that I read
[17:59:22] <cmihai> jpdrawneek: say what?
[17:59:38] <cmihai> jpdrawneek: Solaris supports SATA, check the HCL
[17:59:46] <jpdrawneek> there sod all support for sata cards
[18:00:13] <jpdrawneek> looked there - go list them
[18:00:28] <CIA-26> acruz: 6569757 zone_enter should not call pool_unlock without holding the lock, 6570981 accessing pool_busy_thread (pool_lock) needs ASSERT to enforce good coding pratices
[18:00:29] <CIA-26> ab196087: PSARC 2007/395 Add -P option to elfdump, 6530249 elfdump should handle ELF files with no section header table
[18:01:03] <cmihai> jdavis: there's at least Intel Tekram and Adaptec support.
[18:01:15] <cmihai> And the stuff in the x4500
[18:01:38] <jpdrawneek> thats one card
[18:02:12] <jpdrawneek> you can get it on a supermicro card - but later revisions have caused issues
[18:02:28] <cmihai> Eh, will get better.
[18:02:33] <cmihai> Brb :-)
[18:02:36] <jpdrawneek> when???
[18:02:50] <jpdrawneek> Adaptec does not work properly
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[18:03:21] <jpdrawneek> never found a Tekram sata card so i don't know what there like
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[18:04:19] <jpdrawneek> so anyone got a list of working sata cards?
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[18:06:41] <mihaic> Well, my stuff is supported :-)
[18:06:53] <jpdrawneek> which is?
[18:07:17] <mihaic> Onboard SATA anyway, nforce 3 (just booted SXCE 68 on this)... got 2 Intels too (one with 6 onboard SATA II) so it's fine.
[18:07:17] <axisys> it takes whole min to run quota username http://rafb.net/p/SRDGmB71.html
[18:07:22] <axisys> on sol 7
[18:07:36] <axisys> is there a fix available ?
[18:07:55] <mihaic> axisys: what's your patchlevel? :-)
[18:08:02] <jpdrawneek> k - thats the problem not enough onboard and i also need hotswap
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[18:08:37] <mihaic> jhawk: oh, hot swap is complicated with SATA :-)
[18:08:42] <mihaic> erm jpdrawneek
[18:08:47] <mihaic> Is 6 SATA enough though?
[18:08:52] <jpdrawneek> no
[18:08:53] <axisys>  5.7 Generic_106541-23
[18:09:02] <mihaic> jdavis: well, I got 10 disks in the thing.
[18:09:15] <jpdrawneek> what card?
[18:09:24] <mihaic> Motherboard.
[18:09:29] <mihaic> It's a Gigabyte Royale
[18:09:32] <jpdrawneek> what boards?
[18:09:35] <jpdrawneek> ok
[18:09:48] <Plouj> Casione Royale
[18:09:54] <Plouj> damn lang
[18:10:10] <jpdrawneek> looking at 16+ setup
[18:10:19] <mihaic> Oh
[18:10:22] <mihaic> What disks?
[18:10:23] <mihaic> 500GB?
[18:10:29] <jpdrawneek> or 1Tb
[18:10:37] <mihaic> You could just do 6x1TB :-). That's still good...
[18:10:42] <jpdrawneek> depends what works out cheap
[18:10:53] <jpdrawneek> na - need the space
[18:11:16] <mihaic> Well, you could add a supported PCI controller... that supports 4 more disks.
[18:11:28] <mihaic> For more... umh...
[18:11:31] <jpdrawneek> what PCI card tho!!!!!
[18:11:38] <mihaic> Yeah, that's the problem :P
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[18:11:52] <jpdrawneek> thats the point theres sod all
[18:12:01] <cmihai> What exactly are you looking at? 8-10TB?
[18:12:04] <jpdrawneek> the sil are flaky
[18:12:15] <jpdrawneek> well as much space as possable
[18:12:41] <jpdrawneek> if i give them 8Tb they will want 16Tb etc...
[18:12:57] <Abe_Froman> supermicro
[18:13:01] <cmihai> Hm...
[18:13:13] <jpdrawneek> supermicro looked a good option
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[18:13:30] <jpdrawneek> but seem people with issues with later cards
[18:13:40] <Abe_Froman> yeah you have to be sure about the chipset
[18:14:10] <jpdrawneek> yes?
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[18:16:28] <jpdrawneek> this is the rant at the moment - solaris/zfs does not scale on sata because you can't get the ports
[18:16:45] <cmihai> Well
[18:16:52] <cmihai> Get a x4500 :-)
[18:16:54] <cmihai> 48 TB RAW
[18:16:59] <cmihai> That's pretty scalable.
[18:17:01] <timeless> RAW?
[18:17:02] <jpdrawneek> at 20k!
[18:17:17] <sommerfeld> i don't think the 48x1TB thumpers have escaped yet.
[18:17:31] <cmihai> sommerfeld: doesn't mean you can't install the disks yourself, does it?
[18:17:32] <jpdrawneek> thats more then our current setup!
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[18:18:42] <jpdrawneek> its when you can build setups from scsi of ebay cheaper that you know things have gone wrong
[18:20:15] <sommerfeld> depends in part on how much you value your time spent as system integrator.
[18:20:31] <jpdrawneek> took me 30mins?
[18:21:22] <jpdrawneek> took us less time to get the scsi to work that convince a sil 3114 play ball
[18:22:15] <jpdrawneek> problem is that were at the bottom end of cost effectiveness - were edu and everything done at a price
[18:23:22] <jpdrawneek> sata would fit us nicely - if we could find the ports at a resonable price
[18:23:38] <cmihai> jpdrawneek: well, yeah, but there's a difference. No support, low quality hardware / components that may not play well together, etc. Still, I'm guessing it will work if you find good SATA cards.
[18:23:53] <jpdrawneek> ya
[18:23:58] <jpdrawneek> or just go for linux
[18:24:04] <cmihai> Go ahead.
[18:24:19] <cmihai> Or you could go Firewire :-)
[18:24:29] <cmihai> Or USB... but that's a bit pushing it.
[18:24:35] <jpdrawneek> this is the problem - zfs good - no drivers bad
[18:24:50] <jpdrawneek> what is firewire support like
[18:24:57] <jpdrawneek> last time a look it was a joke
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[18:25:44] <jpdrawneek> usb to chain up all the drives gets expencive
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[18:26:17] <CSFrost> let's all complain about how crappy drivers are, and not even consider writing, or porting any.
[18:26:28] <cmihai> jpdrawneek: Expensive?
[18:26:30] <cmihai> How so?
[18:26:46] <jpdrawneek> ok - give me 5 months to learn C
[18:26:49] <cmihai> Add 30$ for external SATA-II enclosures.
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[18:27:02] <jpdrawneek> i am in the uk
[18:27:12] <cmihai> Oh :-)
[18:27:37] <jpdrawneek> so everything is expencive
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[18:27:55] <CSFrost> just buy a SAS card, and string everything together
[18:28:00] <jpdrawneek> who cares about the 2 dollars to the pound bit
[18:28:08] <jpdrawneek> who from?
[18:28:18] <CSFrost> everyone makes things look so difficult..
[18:28:35] <jpdrawneek> lsi i have been looking at
[18:28:40] <CSFrost> an LSI SAS card? I am sure you can find somewhere, if not just order it overseas.
[18:29:00] <jpdrawneek> you never done any education purchsing have you!
[18:29:13] <CSFrost> SATA runs fine over SAS, plus you can get expansion..
[18:29:22] <jpdrawneek> thats why we looked
[18:29:29] <CSFrost> Educated purchases? me? never. ..
[18:29:30] <jpdrawneek> its just finding them in th euk
[18:29:43] <jpdrawneek> I could tell
[18:29:46] <CSFrost> Doesn't LSI have a resellers list?
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[18:30:05] <jpdrawneek> ya - but only a couple in the uk
[18:30:31] <jpdrawneek> and they don't give prices or don't list sas as an option
[18:30:53] <jpdrawneek> also lsi is a bit vage on solaris x86 support
[18:31:08] * CSFrost chokes
[18:31:17] <CSFrost> are you serious?
[18:31:17] <cmihai> Eh?
[18:31:18] <cmihai> LSI?
[18:31:34] <CSFrost> I think I just swallowed my drinking glass..
[18:31:43] <jpdrawneek> it does not say in black and white that lsi supports solaris x86
[18:31:52] <jpdrawneek> it says that they do sparc
[18:31:59] <jpdrawneek> provides sparc drivers
[18:32:10] <jpdrawneek> provides sparc readme
[18:32:11] <CSFrost> they do both, all my cards are LSI, on sparc, and x86
[18:32:18] <jpdrawneek> nothing for solaris x86
[18:32:19] <cmihai> LSI is VERY supported.
[18:32:31] <CSFrost> call LSI up and ask then
[18:32:37] <cmihai> Also, check http://www.sun.com/io_technologies/sata/SATA0.html
[18:32:45] <jpdrawneek> was going to
[18:33:29] <jpdrawneek> so far i have found Areca - way to prices
[18:33:44] <jpdrawneek> lsi ok price - it just finding them
[18:34:04] <jpdrawneek> supermicro sata2 card - good price, worried about support
[18:34:08] <FrostCS> and your EDU forbids you from using the intarweb to order things?
[18:34:16] <FrostCS> buy only LSI
[18:34:25] <jpdrawneek> sil 3114, the other one - flaky
[18:34:27] <FrostCS> otherwise your asking for trouble
[18:34:33] <jpdrawneek> ok
[18:34:34] <cmihai> Ahem
[18:34:37] <cmihai> Who cares about the price
[18:34:59] <cmihai> 200$ more on the controller == 12$ more on each TB
[18:35:01] <cmihai> big deal.
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[18:35:24] <jpdrawneek> the engineering took months to convice finance to buy some kit - as its the only suppiler in the world and it had to be imported
[18:35:38] <jpdrawneek> we do
[18:35:58] <FrostCS> pfft, engineers aren't so good at convincing..
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[18:36:25] <FrostCS> That's what con artists are for.. you should consider hiring some.
[18:36:26] <jpdrawneek> true but its the fact that finace will not listen to reason
[18:36:40] <FrostCS> think office space
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[18:36:47] <FrostCS> just do whatever you feel like then
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[18:37:14] <FrostCS> go stomp down some printers
[18:37:15] <jpdrawneek> welcome to the stone age - uk FE edu
[18:37:59] <CSFrost> bleh, time to make some phone calls, be back later
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[18:56:15] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: hi!
[18:56:26] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: It is 16th today
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[19:00:08] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: GSoC evaluation
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[19:33:49] <stevel> sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
[19:33:59] <stevel> speedstep/powernow just putback
[19:35:29] <richlowe> yow
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[19:36:54] <sommerfeld> just speedstep
[19:37:13] <stevel> sommerfeld: what was the bit about "Opteron Athlon64 Frequency Management"?
[19:37:19] <nachox> nice!
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[19:37:32] <sommerfeld> case title doesn't quite match reality
[19:37:35] <stevel> ahhh
[19:37:36] <stevel> okay
[19:37:37] <richlowe> Oh good.
[19:37:37] <sommerfeld> (it happens some times)
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[19:37:38] * esaxe cheers
[19:37:44] <richlowe> sommerfeld: That will change.
[19:37:49] <nachox> as part or frkit?
[19:37:51] <richlowe> sommerfeld: our bits check the ARC titles.
[19:37:58] <richlowe> sommerfeld: (causing me much pain when I comchk merges...)
[19:38:16] <richlowe> sommerfeld: the problem there, however, is people who file with bad titles will then be stuck with them.
[19:38:25] <richlowe> and there's been some real *awful* case titles.
[19:38:38] <sommerfeld> richlowe: it is possible to rename case titles in the ARC case repository
[19:38:49] <richlowe> sommerfeld: ah, nobody has seemed sure of that, when I've asked.
[19:38:56] <sommerfeld> I renamed a case last week.
[19:38:59] <richlowe> sommerfeld: given how much of that stuff seems based on baroque mail filtering.
[19:39:12] <sommerfeld> it just uses the case number
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[19:39:21] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Yes, I've seen them renamed, but only closed ones, and only (I think) before anything had happened to them.
[19:40:24] <sommerfeld> anyhow, my understanding is that what landed works for speedstep, and there is code in the works for single-socket athlon/opteron, but it's not quite done yet.
[19:41:31] <esaxe> well, single CPU anyway
[19:41:34] <richlowe> nachox: in general
[19:41:43] <richlowe> nachox: frkit has the powernow stuff already doesn't it?
[19:41:54] <cmihai> Do you guys have any idea what "F" means in this context?
[19:42:02] <sommerfeld> mark haywood sits in the next office; he said "single-socket"..
[19:42:11] <esaxe> for AMD family 0x10 and better multi-core / multi-socket will work fine
[19:42:13] <cmihai> 1000VA (1100F) in terms of a UPS? VA == volt ampere
[19:42:22] <cmihai> So what the bleep is F?
[19:42:31] <nachox> richlowe: yes, i think so, at least that's how the module is called iirc
[19:43:32] <esaxe> sommerfeld: we need to get the TSC sync up code in place for single socket multi-core
[19:43:48] <esaxe> unless he's already done that
[19:43:57] <nachox> but frkit didnt include support for any dual core proc, intel or amd
[19:44:15] <sommerfeld> esaxe: that must be the missing piece
[19:44:19] * esaxe nods
[19:44:34] <esaxe> what he has now will work for UP though
[19:44:43] <esaxe> although I don't know if that was enabled with the putback
[19:44:49] <sommerfeld> mark says no
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[19:44:56] <esaxe> ok
[19:45:05] <esaxe> tell him congrats btw :)
[19:45:40] <nachox> is there a page talking about that putback?
[19:46:18] <richlowe> probably not yet.
[19:46:20] <stevel> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007071601/
[19:46:26] <richlowe> stevel: oh, be like that then.
[19:46:29] <stevel> his heads up *just* went out
[19:47:16] <richlowe> stevel: Yeah, and it normally takes longer to hit osol.org
[19:47:24] <richlowe> automated-but-slow
[19:53:00] <dduvall> I was just going to *offer*
[19:53:42] <richlowe> (you notice how I managed not to complain about that not being on-all@opensolaris?)
[19:53:46] <richlowe> :)
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[19:53:52] <richlowe> it took restraint, lemme tell you.
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[19:55:29] <nachox> you just complained :P
[19:56:47] <richlowe> That was just a statement. :)
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[20:00:32] <CIA-26> mh27603: PSARC/2004/826 Opteron Athlon64 Frequency Management, 6358066 PSARC/2004/826 Opteron Athlon64 Frequency Management, 6512756 Solaris should support Intel's Enhanced Speedstep, 6335616 AMD64 CPU PwrMgmt needs Notify/_PPC for changes in P-states
[20:01:11] <nachox> there it is
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[20:17:02] <oxygene> grr.. I should have waited for sol10 08/07 (and two new disks, with mirroring and everything) instead of patching my home server, and now it killed itself on a kernel patch *sigh*
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[20:27:22] <Pietro_S> ;-)
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[20:55:19] <axisys> is there a system with Rock Processor out yet?
[20:55:23] <richlowe> No.
[20:55:43] <moazamraja> niagara II procesor system yet? no...
[20:55:44] <axisys> richlowe: what would it be called? Sun Rock ?
[20:55:44] <hali> rock only hit silicone about 3 months back...
[20:56:03] <richlowe> moazamraja: and no VF, either.
[20:56:10] <richlowe> I think that covers all the obvious things to say "no" to.
[20:56:28] <moazamraja> axisys: considering the T1000/T2000 are not called Niagara anything...
[20:56:31] <moazamraja> VF = ?
[20:56:42] <axisys> moazamraja: :P
[20:57:04] <richlowe> and given one of the changed its real name late enough the OS and firmware didn't catch up...
[20:57:53] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: ping
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[21:00:34] <CIA-26> jp161948: PSARC/2007/034 ssh/sshd resync with OpenSSH, 6268400 resync ServerAlive functionality
[21:00:35] <CIA-26> fw157321: 6555540 picl PRI plug-in needs to handle hot-plug and PRI updates, 6559552 libprtdiag should not assume that "IOBD" is the home for wayward IO devices, 6561393 Huron platform support needs to lose its platform-specific prtdiag overlay, 6563508 prtdiag/prtpicl broken on guest domains on s10u4_08 and snv_62 onwards, 6566442 prtdiag memory configuration formating needed ...
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[21:08:35] <leal_> i have forgot the command to know what disc is the quorum device...
[21:13:00] <BadKarma> L&O is on
[21:13:56] <leal_> i do remember...scdidadm. thanks anyway.
[21:14:54] <sommerfeld> Murmuria: I haven't forgotten.  will get to it today
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[21:24:33] <RaD|Tz> hi I have a problem with Nexenta, I upgraded from Alpha 6 to Alpha 7 and now my machine reboots befoire X is running
[21:24:41] <RaD|Tz> is any workaround for this?
[21:26:42] <CSFrost> moazamraja, someone had mentioned there is atleast one niagra2 out in testing now
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[21:29:41] <CSFrost> I guess I can't spell today either.. pfft, or perhaps I should just look at what I am actually typing.
[21:31:07] <RaD|Tz> CSFrost, how can I get access to console?
[21:31:14] <RaD|Tz> before X starts?
[21:32:27] <CSFrost> you mean disable X?
[21:32:38] <RaD|Tz> yes
[21:32:49] <RaD|Tz> because my Nexenta is rebooting before X runs
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[21:33:25] <swmackie> Try: svcadm disable cde-login
[21:35:02] <RaD|Tz> ok
[21:35:18] <RaD|Tz> on grub or in console?
[21:35:28] <coffman> console for sure
[21:35:38] <swmackie> Ah, it reboots even before you can login?
[21:35:53] <swmackie> F**k it, just reinstall.
[21:35:57] <RaD|Tz> mmm
[21:36:05] <RaD|Tz> I think I will do that
[21:36:38] <RaD|Tz> I can login, but in few seconds it reboots
[21:37:13] <CSFrost> you'd have to disable dtlogin preferrably I think..
[21:37:25] <RaD|Tz> how?
[21:37:31] <CSFrost> but you really should ask someone who uses nexenta
[21:37:45] <Plouj> I wonder how difficult it would be to use an opensolaris amd64 box as a distcc node
[21:37:50] <CSFrost> svcadm disable dtlogin
[21:38:00] <Plouj> for compiling x86_64 code
[21:38:36] <Plouj> not to use, but to setup
[21:38:49] <cmihai> CSFrost: it's cde-login I think :P
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[21:40:24] <UberDuper> Info on the opensolaris site for xen is pretty dated.
[21:40:27] <CSFrost> could be right.. I was used dtlogin to stop and restart at one point... I never got to have fun and experience the joy of a restart cycle based on my X server.
[21:40:38] <UberDuper> What is xen at on solaris?
[21:40:41] <UberDuper> Er where
[21:40:50] <cmihai> Nowhere.
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[21:41:01] <cmihai> See opensolaris.org.
[21:41:17] <sommerfeld> UberDuper: behind schedule
[21:41:27] <sommerfeld> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/
[21:41:42] <CSFrost> or you can probably ask in ##xen they might be able to help you.
[21:41:54] <cmihai> Won't make it until Solaris 11 I guess. Right now you have Zones and LDOMs
[21:41:55] <movement> no they won't
[21:42:09] <sommerfeld> xensource lets them use ##xen? :-)
[21:42:09] <movement> here or #solaris-xen on irc.oftc.net are the right places
[21:42:10] <cmihai> There's qemu for emulation too. kqemu has also been ported.
[21:42:26] <movement> sommerfeld: xensource don't have an IRC presence really.
[21:42:49] <sommerfeld> that was intended to be a snarky comment about xensource's trademark policy
[21:42:50] <UberDuper> k. I was just hopeing the os site was out of date.
[21:43:33] <movement> UberDuper: it is
[21:43:46] <movement> sommerfeld: ah right. we're doing that in the /other/ #xen :)
[21:43:57] <movement> UberDuper: expect an update "soon"
[21:44:50] <sommerfeld> i'm not a trademark lawyer but my understanding is that at least some of the claims in their trademark faq are not entirely corrrect.
[21:45:11] <UberDuper> Alrighty.
[21:45:16] <UberDuper> Thanks.
[21:45:29] <movement> I'm afraid all my responses to this problem belong in #conspiracy sommerfeld, so I shall refrain from answering.
[21:45:34] <sommerfeld> heh
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[21:46:05] <UberDuper> I've given xen a whirl in the recent past. It pretty much sucked (imo) but I'm keeping my hopes up.
[21:46:23] <movement> UberDuper: what version on what, and in what way? :)
[21:47:07] <UberDuper> 3.something on ubuntu. IO on windows domUs was horrid.
[21:47:19] <UberDuper> Due to the lack of paravirtualized drivers I presume.
[21:48:53] <movement> ah right. yes.
[21:49:24] <Plouj> I'm glad I saw this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Limitations
[21:50:56] <UberDuper> It is not possible to add a disk to a RAID-Z or RAID-Z2 vdev. This feature appears very difficult to implement.
[21:50:59] <UberDuper> Ouch.
[21:51:18] <cmihai> Right. And why should you care?
[21:51:36] <UberDuper> Because online raid expansion is important to me?
[21:51:52] <CSFrost> because my eggs dont seperate themselves?
[21:51:54] <cmihai> UberDuper: erm, you can expand by adding new stripes or RAIDZs
[21:52:02] <cmihai> Or replacing the disks
[21:52:03] <richlowe> different failure characteristics.
[21:52:06] <cmihai> One by one.
[21:52:18] <CSFrost> shells should also magnetically repel themselves from the innards as well..
[21:52:26] <UberDuper> I prefer to add storage by adding a single disk, not replacing them all with bigger ones.
[21:52:27] <richlowe> though better ones, I think.
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[21:53:10] <cmihai> There are VERY few volume managers that allow online (or even offline) expantion of a RAID-5 or RAID-6 volume.
[21:53:20] <cmihai> And usually it's not worth the trouble.
[21:53:28] <CSFrost> heh, not much of a storage growth if you add 1 disk at a time is it..
[21:53:29] <UberDuper> Which is why I generally use hardware raid these days.
[21:54:12] <cmihai> UberDuper: not many hardware RAID allow that either.
[21:54:13] <sommerfeld> UberDuper: so, the way to go would be to add disks in pairs or in sets of N (where "N" is your raidz set size)
[21:54:25] <cmihai> UberDuper: none of that internal crap anyway.
[21:54:35] <UberDuper> cmihai: If you spend more then $200 on a controller you generally get online raid expansion.
[21:54:38] <richlowe> sommerfeld: impractical for soho, in many cases.
[21:55:10] <cmihai> UberDuper: eh, you'd still need hot swap disks, and internal controllers don't support enough disks to be worth the trouble in most cases.
[21:55:13] <CSFrost> if you spend more than 200 on a controller, you normally spend enough to buy multiple disks at a time
[21:55:34] <cmihai> You can expand ZFS raid VERY easily if you add vdeves or replace disks.
[21:55:36] <UberDuper> Hot swap sata solutions are pretty cheap these days.
[21:55:43] <cmihai> You have 5 500GB disks for 2TB storage?
[21:55:54] <cmihai> Replace them 1 at a time with 1 TB disks and you have 4TB.
[21:56:05] <cmihai> ZFS will automagically expand
[21:56:25] <sommerfeld> for soho, i'd recommend the "replace 500GB disk with 1TB disk" approach
[21:56:30] <UberDuper> cmihai: That's just not practical.
[21:56:31] <cmihai> Besides, when you upgrade your storage array, double capacity disks are usually cheaper...
[21:56:34] <cmihai> UberDuper: sure it is.
[21:56:39] <cmihai> Buy 6 500GB disks now
[21:56:48] <cmihai> In 1 year when you need more, 1TB disks are just as cheap.
[21:56:56] <cmihai> It's not practical to buy 500GB disks in an year.
[21:57:11] <CSFrost> I'd rather buy massive quantities of 500GB disks, since it's at 3 for 1 pricing now in comparison to 1tb disks..
[21:57:11] <cmihai> Hell, don't feel like wasting the old disks?
[21:57:13] <sommerfeld> cmihai: or what I did.  buy 2x500GB disks now.  when I need more space, buy the size that's cheap
[21:57:18] <cmihai> Add them to another vdef.
[21:57:25] <cmihai> sommerfeld: exactly.
[21:57:33] <sommerfeld> change pool from 1xmirror to 2xmirror
[21:57:43] <cmihai> CSFrost: right. And next year? :-).
[21:57:54] <CSFrost> cmihai, continue the trend :-)
[21:57:58] <sommerfeld> and then when I hit the next step, take out the 500GB's and replace them with the 3rd generation.
[21:58:03] <UberDuper> It'll still be 3 to 1 cost difference.
[21:58:04] <sommerfeld> and I stay using 4 slots
[21:58:15] <UberDuper> Just that 500gb disks will be $65 each.
[21:58:16] <cmihai> sommerfeld: yep, that's best.
[21:58:25] <cmihai> sommerfeld: I hate using more then 6 disks in my system anyway.
[21:58:27] <CSFrost> I still use old storage until it gets cheaper to buy a new disk, over powering up the old disks.
[21:58:28] <cmihai> Too much heat.
[21:58:39] <cmihai> I move the old disks to "tape" backup :P
[21:58:48] <cmihai> I put them in external enclosures and use them like tapes.
[21:59:27] <stevel> jeez. you guys sure have a lot of porn.
[21:59:38] <UberDuper> /nod
[21:59:39] <cmihai> Anyway, could you guys take a look at this?
[21:59:43] <CSFrost> PB's..
[22:00:01] <cmihai> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=232 - it's a 500GB external USB disk, I plan to buy 4 of these. I'm just not sure this is a generic USB 2.0 mass storage device.
[22:00:08] <richlowe> stevel: you're just bitter since you'll have had to delete yours.
[22:00:09] <cmihai> Eg: will work on Solaris / whatever without damn drivers.
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[22:00:26] <UberDuper> Backup, destroy, create, restore isn't TOO bad. I'd do the backup anyway before an online expansion anyhow.
[22:00:41] <stevel> richlowe: nonsense. i keep all my porn on jurassic-x4600 ;-)
[22:00:43] <CIA-26> ahrens: 6580745 "zfs inherit" can be executed by ordinary user
[22:00:59] <UberDuper> But having to copy a couple TB of data back kinda blows.
[22:01:35] <CSFrost> compression :-)
[22:01:50] <cmihai> Depends on your RAID level too :-).
[22:01:55] <cmihai> If you go RAID-10...
[22:01:57] <cmihai> It's simpler.
[22:02:30] <CSFrost> TB's are nothing anymore too...
[22:02:37] <cmihai> CSFrost: with 1TB disks..
[22:02:40] <cmihai> what do you expect?
[22:02:43] <stevel> just put everything on the company network and let the IT guys deal with it ;)
[22:02:52] <cmihai> What if you are the IT guy?
[22:02:54] <cmihai> :-(
[22:03:01] <nachox> as in waste all their time watching your porn?
[22:03:11] <CSFrost> then you get paid for working with your own data? :-P
[22:03:27] <cmihai> Well, basically, yes, but that's besides the point :-)
[22:04:25] <UberDuper> I work from home. /shrug
[22:04:31] <UberDuper> I don't get no IT support.
[22:04:46] <stevel> cmihai: then watch the porn now, and if you lose it - blame the employee for abusing company IT policies
[22:05:32] <cmihai> hehe
[22:05:36] <cmihai> BLoody hell
[22:05:38] <cmihai> I hate debian.
[22:05:51] <cmihai> aptitude install smartmontools -> bam, postfix and mailx depends...
[22:06:03] <cmihai> ^c ^c ^c die die -> you're fucked, dpkg broken :-)
[22:06:38] <quasi> cmihai: look at the bright side - indiana can only end up being even more broken ;)
[22:06:41] <UberDuper> I hear linux can cause ED.
[22:06:48] <CSFrost> cmihai, with a quick googling, it looks like the mybook is functional on linux, I don't see why it wouldn't work with Solaris..
[22:06:53] <nachox> cmihai, try that with current and outdated mirrors from argentina ;)
[22:07:13] <nachox> hint: painfull
[22:07:16] <cmihai> quasi: gee :-)
[22:07:37] <cmihai> CSFrost: that's neat :-}. I might even get the 1TB.. though it's 3 times as expensive hehe
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[22:08:21] <CSFrost> just buy 3 of the 500gb's then
[22:08:33] <CSFrost> too bad usb data speed is so poor though
[22:08:52] * nachox feels old buying 80gb disks
[22:09:31] <UberDuper> cmihai: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817145029
[22:09:36] <UberDuper> imo
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[22:10:30] <quasi> nachox: is that even possible?
[22:10:39] <nachox> here, yes
[22:10:59] <UberDuper> I've got one with a 250 in it. Pretty fast on the usb. Excellent on the esata.
[22:11:08] <quasi> nachox: last time I checked, the price was so close to 120G that it wouldn't make a difference
[22:11:20] <nachox> we get all your junk, and now your junk are >120gb disks
[22:11:25] <nachox> :)
[22:11:36] <Plouj> how smooth do SXCE updates go? Do you have to re-install the whole system or just run something like 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
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[22:12:01] <sickness> Plouj: go the liveupgrade route, but prepare for that with at least 2 partitions...
[22:12:04] <sickness> well, slices :P
[22:12:07] <quasi> nachox: well, current best gb/$ is on 320 or 400G disks
[22:12:29] <cmihai> Plouj: LiveUpgrade with /altroot and iso, upgrades with dvd or JumpStart upgrades or install with flar are fast.
[22:12:44] <cmihai> quasi: higher TCO then 500GB :P
[22:12:58] <cmihai> nachox: where do you live man, India?
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[22:13:10] <cmihai> Oh, Argentina :-)
[22:13:37] <UberDuper> I was trying to come up with a external sata hot swap array on the cheap using zfs.
[22:13:38] <nachox> cmihai, you asked india implying that all your crap goes there? :P
[22:13:43] <CSFrost> quasi, a lot of deals on 500gb's make them slip under the cost-per-gb
[22:14:10] <cmihai> nachox: maybe ;P
[22:14:26] <cmihai> "All your crap are belong to US!" :-]
[22:14:31] <cmihai> Man, it's been a while.
[22:14:43] <CSFrost> I pack up big barges of crap and send it off for dumping all the time..
[22:14:50] <UberDuper> Foudn a 9 5.25" bay cd duplicator tower for $45. 3x 5 in 3 sata hot swap cages for $100 each. 3x sata port multipliers. And a 4 port esata controller that supports multipliers for ~$100.
[22:14:51] <cmihai> hehe
[22:15:00] <quasi> CSFrost: it hasn't quite gotten that good around here just yet, but with more and more companies doing 1T disks, I don't expect it to take long
[22:15:28] <UberDuper> But I dunno if the multipliers are supported in solaris.
[22:16:21] <CSFrost> quasi, here currently I can pick up both seagate, and samsung 500gb sata's for $99  I am sure it's only time for them to drop more though
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[22:17:09] <cmihai> CSFrost: about 120 Euro here.
[22:17:36] <CSFrost> cmihai, shipping might be cheap in bulk.. :-P
[22:18:28] <cmihai> heh
[22:19:00] <CSFrost> and as worthless as the US $ is now, you might be able to pawn a lot off and make cash lol
[22:19:13] <cmihai> Bah, I get paid in USD, curse you and your country :P
[22:19:31] <cmihai> It's dropped by like 60% :P
[22:19:38] <quasi> CSFrost: nice price
[22:19:41] <quasi> http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/servlet/com.featureserv.util.Download?file=20070716csbhl-a-p.jpg&code=csbhl ;)
[22:19:50] <CSFrost> I usually get paid in yen, or pound :-P
[22:19:59] <cmihai> Wow, pound is good ;P
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[22:20:58] <CSFrost> I don't mind.. I find I usually feel richer everytime the USD drops :-)
[22:21:26] * quasi double checks and find best GB/$ being WD Caviar SE 500G
[22:21:39] <cmihai> CSFrost: hehe
[22:21:47] <cmihai> quasi: yeah, it's the cheapest.
[22:22:04] <cmihai> Though personally I'm a Seagate affectionado
[22:22:14] <quasi> cmihai: at a little less than 100EUR
[22:22:37] <cmihai> Yeah, it's 120 here ;-).
[22:22:50] <quasi> cmihai: and a slight bit over for samsung
[22:23:06] <quasi> cmihai: expensive
[22:23:07] <cmihai> Not worth it :-)
[22:23:12] <cmihai> heh, yeah.
[22:23:17] <quasi> cmihai: samsungs are quiet
[22:23:23] <cmihai> Eh
[22:23:31] <Pietro_S> I hate buying disks, because we pay "art" tax from them :-(
[22:23:37] <cmihai> Who cares when you have like 20 disks in the room?
[22:23:44] <cmihai> Pietro_S: WTF
[22:23:46] <cmihai> Art tax?
[22:23:49] <cmihai> Are you serious?
[22:24:05] <UberDuper> Pietro_S: Canada?
[22:24:21] <CSFrost> only 20 disks?
[22:24:31] <cmihai> CSFrost: internal, not counting spindles.
[22:24:34] <cmihai> And this is my ROOM
[22:24:37] <quasi> cmihai: and seagate is almous 107EUR
[22:24:40] <Pietro_S> czech, for all disks, burners, CD/DVD and discettes
[22:24:45] <cmihai> Why?
[22:24:47] <cmihai> That's stupid.
[22:24:54] <UberDuper> I think it was canada that added a tax to all digital media to compensate for the impending copyright infringement that'll certainly occour by owning such storage.
[22:25:06] <cmihai> Oh, I remember, in here we pay "green tax"
[22:25:07] <UberDuper> Oh. Maybe I'm wrong about canada. =P
[22:25:10] <cmihai> Fucking environment :-)
[22:25:15] <Pietro_S> because our govvv is stupid and big artists lobby
[22:25:18] <CSFrost> quasi, do most larger US e-tailers ship without much hassel?
[22:26:14] <CSFrost> I usually deduct most my taxes...
[22:26:20] <Pietro_S> so when I buy disk, I pay even I don't have there any pirate mp3 :-(
[22:26:29] <cmihai> ugj
[22:26:38] <cmihai>  That just blows.
[22:26:41] <cmihai> Oh well, good night.
[22:26:58] <Abe_Froman> so then pirate
[22:27:01] <CSFrost> they want you to pirate mp3's
[22:27:03] <Pietro_S> cmihai: gn
[22:27:07] <CSFrost> that is what the govt is telling you
[22:27:20] <CSFrost> they are saying "pirate and resell to make up the difference"
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[22:27:32] <quasi> CSFrost: I don't know - I'm in .dk
[22:27:40] <CSFrost> if everyone pirates just that little bit, it will make the recording industries into a flop
[22:27:49] <moazamraja> i got damn near everything electronic over the internet
[22:27:50] <quasi> CSFrost: but they tend to want .us CC
[22:27:51] <moazamraja> and shipped to me
[22:27:58] <moazamraja> from amazon, costco, and newegg
[22:28:03] <moazamraja> in the US, works fine
[22:28:17] <Pietro_S> CSFrost: ;-)
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[22:28:28] <CSFrost> quasi, that's weird, if I was anyone, I'd definately not want to take US CC's heh
[22:28:38] <CSFrost> especially amex
[22:29:10] <CSFrost> I met someone once, who ate every dinner free (while traveling)
[22:29:29] <CSFrost> it was disgusting, but he did it..
[22:29:56] <CSFrost> makes you think a bit though :-)
[22:30:05] <sickness> why should it be disgusting?
[22:30:18] <CSFrost> he did a chargeback on all his purchases?
[22:31:02] <Plouj> sickness: what do I need the extra partitions for?
[22:31:07] <CSFrost> or is that considered ethical these days? heh
[22:31:10] <sommerfeld> you'd think the credit card companies would catch on to that eventually.
[22:31:11] <Plouj> sickness: should those partitions be empty/dispensable?
[22:31:13] <sickness> Plouj: extra slices, to actually do the upgrade...
[22:31:18] <sickness> Plouj: exactly
[22:31:23] <sommerfeld> and he'd end up in handcuffs
[22:31:34] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, I thought so too.. but he told me they just had him change him number a few times, and shrugged it off
[22:31:57] <CSFrost> I just feel bad for all the establishments he ripped off that way..
[22:32:42] <CSFrost> was a dip anyway.. I am sure he will get what is coming to him someday
[22:32:44] <Plouj> well, it's good to know that most restaurants run and depend on honesty
[22:33:52] <moazamraja> CSFrost: i dont get it, how did he get the dinners free, he paid on CC and claimed it wasnt him?
[22:34:24] <CSFrost> just call up amex, when he got his bill, and disputed the charges
[22:34:43] <moazamraja> *every*time?
[22:34:43] <CSFrost> amex automatically cuts it off the bill.
[22:34:56] <CSFrost> yep, well after he had traveled.
[22:35:05] <curlyman> do you guys know if there is an opensolaris hardware support list/chart somewhere?
[22:35:08] <moazamraja> i guess he didnt travel much :/
[22:35:09] <CSFrost> I don't know how often it was, but atleast once a year.
[22:35:22] <CSFrost> but it was weeks at a time..
[22:35:35] <UberDuper> ANy of you run CE in a vmware fusion vm?
[22:35:50] <CSFrost> curlyman, only HCL on bigadmin, other then that.. you'd have to scower the list.
[22:35:50] <moazamraja> that's pretty scumy.
[22:35:59] <curlyman> UberDuper: yeah, why?
[22:36:16] <UberDuper> Wanted to find out if it works before I go through the hassle of setting it up.
[22:36:34] <CSFrost> moazamraja, yep.. with amex they give you several months to dispute charges also.. while I think visa and mc is like 30 or 60 days
[22:37:06] * moazamraja gets a AMEX card and stands in line for an iPhone
[22:37:37] <moazamraja> "it wadn't me!" AMEX = "Sir, but you're calling us from the phone that you said you didn't buy."
[22:37:53] <CSFrost> heh, I remember I went out one night in tokyo for dinner, and when I was done I handed the girl my credit card, she runs it and handed it back with my receipt..
[22:38:17] <CSFrost> I asked if I needed to sign something, and she said not for purchases less than 10,000 yen
[22:38:36] <moazamraja> 100.00 USD
[22:38:40] <sommerfeld> or thereabouts
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[22:38:46] <CSFrost> yea roughly
[22:38:48] <curlyman> UberDuper: yeah, I have postgres working on opensolaris in VMware Fusion because postgres sucks on the mac.
[22:39:05] <UberDuper> Alrighty.
[22:39:14] <CSFrost> I was a bit startled about how much that method can be abused..
[22:39:42] <sommerfeld> depends on their fraud threshhold.
[22:39:43] <UberDuper> I think the limit for no sig charges in the US is $20
[22:39:55] <CSFrost> signatures really are the only way a credit card could be disputed too..
[22:40:21] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, I am sure it was low.. I think my dinner was about 7,000 for one person.. heh
[22:40:24] <sommerfeld> not the only way it *could* be disputed (build a digital camera into the point-of-sale terminal)
[22:41:03] <curlyman> does anyone do infiniband on solaris?
[22:41:09] <sommerfeld> "no, wearing a groucho nose & glasses isn't good enough disguise to fool us.  chargeback DENIED!"
[22:41:50] <CSFrost> sommerfeld, would be nice, but you'd have to require every establishment to buy the hardware from the credit card company...
[22:42:03] <CSFrost> because you know the credit card company wouldn't do it to protect themselves.
[22:42:34] <sommerfeld> if there's a camera in every single !#$@# phone...
[22:42:37] <CSFrost> being it would have to be time synced.. or else it could promote more fraud.
[22:43:22] <CSFrost> otherwise the gas station I was at, could ring me up once a week with the same picture :-)
[22:43:45] <UberDuper> Let's see if I can remember how to install solaris.
[22:43:52] <nachox> curlyman, heh, i just skipped the infiband part of the solaris documentation :P
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[22:48:09] <mesut> hello,ive a solaris server at HQ,and some other servers on our branch office, connected to HQ with vpn tunnels. currently, rsh on solaris box works as expected
[22:48:20] <mesut> #rsh www ls
[22:48:26] <mesut>  work temp
[22:48:27] <mesut> #
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[22:48:58] <mesut> if i switch to second (backup) tunnel rsh just gives nothing
[22:49:01] <mesut> #rsh www ls
[22:49:02] <mesut> #
[22:49:17] <mesut> but, at both tunnels, "ssh www" logs in without problem
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[23:00:30] <CIA-26> stevel: 6578382 bindrop: can we simplify how crypto modules are handled?
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[23:01:17] <alanc> since there's a putback, I'm guessing the answer was "yes"
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[23:04:57] <nachox> can anyone tell me if a sentence inside one of the solaris manuals make any sense or is just a typo? the sentence is in the "devices and filesystems..." in page 189
[23:05:29] <nachox> "Layered software products intended for systems with EFI-labeled disks might be incapable of
[23:05:30] <nachox> accessing a disk with an EFI disk label."
[23:06:05] <nachox> shouldnt it say "with vtoc-labeled disks"?
[23:06:24] <richlowe> stevel: woohoo
[23:06:48] <oxygene> nachox: probably - though given the complexity of EFI, the sentence is probably still true
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[23:07:57] <richlowe> it may mean the software is intended for the system, the system has EFI labelled disks, and the software may not be capable of accessing EFI labelled disks?
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[23:08:07] <richlowe> that'd particularly poor wording, either way though.
[23:08:42] <nachox> richlowe, i got lost when i got to half your sentence too
[23:08:53] <richlowe> Yeah. :)
[23:09:36] <nachox> should i report this somewhere or keep it as my own little secret? :P
[23:10:05] <richlowe> if that's one of the manuals open in the docs community, you may even be able to fix it. :)
[23:11:33] <nachox> it's a solaris 10 manual, so i doubt it 817-5093.pdf
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[23:16:53] <nachox> nice, at least there is a link to it in the documentation project
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