July 15, 2007 
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July 15, 2007 [00:00:46] *** jinx099 has joined #opensolaris [00:05:38] *** rachel has quit IRC [00:06:02] *** rachel has joined #opensolaris [00:06:59] *** NikolaVeber_ has quit IRC [00:09:58] *** alhop has joined #opensolaris [00:11:16] *** mikefut has quit IRC [00:11:39] <alhop> got a quick question on zones running on b62 ? [00:13:04] <alhop> issue is trying to ssh from the global zone to another zone just stalls. was something changed in b62 (or earlier) that affected the ability to ssh from the global zone to another zone? [00:13:16] <jamesd> cool dont share it or someone might solve it. [00:13:25] <alhop> Hi james [00:14:41] <alhop> here is the output from truss: open("/dev/udp", O_RDONLY) = 4 [00:14:42] <alhop> fstat64(4, 0x08047140) = 0 [00:14:44] <alhop> stat64("/dev/pts/97", 0x08047250) Err#2 ENOENT [00:14:45] <alhop> ioctl(4, SIOCGLIFNUM, 0x08047324) = 0 [00:14:47] <alhop> close(4) = 0 [00:14:48] <alhop> getuid() = 100 [100] [00:14:50] <alhop> getuid() = 100 [100] [00:14:51] <alhop> door_info(3, 0x080470C0) = 0 [00:14:53] <alhop> door_call(3, 0x08047128) = 0 [00:14:54] <alhop> brk(0x080B0668) = 0 [00:14:56] <alhop> brk(0x080B2668) = 0 [00:14:57] <alhop> mmap(0x00010000, 65536, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON|MAP_ALIGN, -1, 0) = 0xFEBB0000 [00:14:59] <alhop> getuid() = 100 [100] [00:15:00] <alhop> getuid() = 100 [100] [00:15:02] <alhop> door_info(3, 0x08046EC0) = 0 [00:15:03] <alhop> door_call(3, 0x08046F28) = 0 [00:15:05] <alhop> open("/etc/default/nss", O_RDONLY) = 4 [00:15:06] <alhop> fstat64(4, 0x08046DF0) = 0 [00:15:08] <alhop> fstat64(4, 0x08046F30) = 0 [00:15:10] <alhop> fstat64(4, 0x08046E60) = 0 [00:15:12] <alhop> ioctl(4, TCGETA, 0x08046EFC) Err#25 ENOTTY [00:15:14] <alhop> read(4, " # i d e n t\t " @ ( #".., 2560) = 2082 [00:15:16] <alhop> read(4, 0x080B0F94, 2560) = 0 [00:15:18] <alhop> llseek(4, 0, SEEK_CUR) = 2082 [00:15:20] <alhop> close(4) = 0 [00:15:22] <alhop> so_socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP, 0x00000000, SOV_DEFAULT) = 4 [00:15:24] <alhop> connect(4, 0x080AD7B0, 16, SOV_DEFAULT) (sleeping...) [00:17:53] <alhop> is there something that changed in the security model that prevents ssh from the global zone to another zone on b62? [00:18:31] <theRealballchal1> can anyone tell me where is the staroffice writer bin? [00:19:32] *** duri has joined #opensolaris [00:21:34] <tomww> theRealballchal1: /opt/staroffice8/program/soffice.bin which is called with "-writer" if I can see that correctly [00:22:13] <tomww> theRealballchal1: why asking for the "writer" "bin" ? [00:22:59] <theRealballchal1> tomww: i'm in windowmaker and not everything is mapped completely [00:23:12] <theRealballchal1> i still need to build gnustep [00:23:15] <theRealballchal1> tomww: thanks [00:27:38] *** theRealballchal1 has quit IRC [00:27:55] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [00:29:18] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [00:39:07] <coffman> alhop: posting a whole output to the channel is very rude [00:45:14] *** jamesd sets mode: +o coffman [00:50:13] <sbahra> heh [00:51:16] <alhop> Sorry coffman - I don't spend much time on IRC and don't know the rules (won't do it again) [00:52:25] <alhop> what would be the correct way to do what I just did? [00:54:40] <duri> use a paste service such as http://rafb.net/paste/ ... google for paste services [00:54:55] <duri> then refer others to the pasted snippet [00:55:21] <alhop> so how many lines of data would be considered OK before using a paste service? [00:56:26] <duri> I am not sure ... guess it depends on the irc server and channel informal guidelines [00:58:42] <alhop> is there an IRC etiquitte - similar to a net etiquitte .... FAQ? [00:59:08] <sbahra> 3 is common [01:02:43] <duri> you can try on the website of the hosting irc network. in this case freenode -> www.freenode.net and more than anything a web page associated with the specific channel if there is one [01:13:36] *** hohum has quit IRC [01:22:02] <jinx099> anyone have this error when trying to install the nvidia driver? [01:22:09] <jinx099> "/usr/bin/tar: Read 2048 bytes from - [01:22:10] <jinx099> ./install: line 29: UID: readonly variable" [01:24:43] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [01:26:48] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris [01:30:16] *** alhop has quit IRC [01:41:45] *** jinx099 has left #opensolaris [01:42:10] *** jinx099 has joined #opensolaris [01:43:20] *** jinx099 has quit IRC [01:58:28] *** henriknj has quit IRC [02:01:34] *** vmlemon has left #opensolaris [02:21:38] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [02:22:42] *** theRealballchalk has left #opensolaris [02:23:26] <dclarke> test [02:23:36] <nemesis> pin [02:23:37] <nemesis> g [02:24:05] <dclarke> that was broken .. but I got it [02:24:20] <nemesis> your broken... [02:24:43] <dclarke> can you see if www.blastwave.org is up from your perspective ? [02:26:32] <dclarke> I think the web server has somehow gone nuts .. all my memory is being chewed up [02:29:28] *** dclarke has quit IRC [02:29:49] *** pudpud has quit IRC [02:30:08] <nemesis> derchris: works [02:30:14] <nemesis> oh [02:30:16] <nemesis> he's gone [02:31:20] <derchris> ? [02:32:22] <nemesis> dw [02:32:27] <nemesis> I was using tab [02:32:32] <nemesis> got you instead of dclarke [02:36:28] *** Fish has quit IRC [02:40:24] *** neoxed has quit IRC [03:20:09] *** jjsm has joined #opensolaris [03:20:29] *** aghaster has joined #opensolaris [03:26:33] *** crib has quit IRC [03:31:21] *** jollare has joined #opensolaris [03:31:28] *** jollare has left #opensolaris [03:42:35] *** crib has joined #opensolaris [03:58:42] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [04:10:02] *** alobbs has quit IRC [04:10:02] *** aruiz has quit IRC [04:10:24] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [04:10:29] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [04:13:49] *** jjsm has left #opensolaris [04:24:30] *** jmcp has quit IRC [04:25:58] *** sstallion has joined #opensolaris [04:26:47] <sstallion> has anyone had issues with segfaults with in.dhcpd on a fully patched 11/06 x86 box? [04:31:09] *** neoxed has joined #OpenSolaris [04:33:16] *** mega_ has quit IRC [04:36:06] *** hohum has joined #OpenSolaris [04:37:43] *** aghaster has quit IRC [04:39:06] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [05:00:31] <CIA-26> dm120769: 6580512 nightly should use dirname instead of ../ [05:01:51] *** threefourteen has joined #opensolaris [05:04:21] *** threefourteen has left #opensolaris [05:11:41] *** sstallion has quit IRC [05:22:25] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris [05:27:30] *** Nishaway has quit IRC [05:45:59] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [05:46:37] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [05:46:50] *** dduvall has quit IRC [05:47:21] *** seanmcg has quit IRC [05:47:51] *** linma has quit IRC [05:48:48] *** esaxe has quit IRC [06:00:25] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [06:01:13] *** Chihan has joined #OpenSolaris [06:05:45] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [06:06:57] *** derchris has quit IRC [06:07:14] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [06:08:35] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [06:08:56] <jbk> evening [06:15:45] *** pudpud has joined #opensolaris [06:28:41] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris [06:30:55] <rbrown> hoi [06:31:59] <jbk> hello [06:32:23] *** pudpud has quit IRC [06:46:09] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [06:48:29] *** delewis has quit IRC [07:00:38] *** Red_Cloud has quit IRC [07:00:57] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [07:26:00] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [07:29:02] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [07:36:12] *** jhawk has quit IRC [07:37:21] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [07:37:28] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [07:39:30] *** jwtodd has quit IRC [07:40:20] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [07:41:03] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [07:41:30] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [07:48:38] *** Jondice has joined #opensolaris [07:58:53] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [08:01:12] *** Red_Cloud has quit IRC [08:16:24] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC [08:21:46] *** g4lt-U60 has joined #opensolaris [08:43:06] *** jmcp has quit IRC [08:52:17] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [09:01:22] *** kaiwai has joined #opensolaris [09:04:15] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [09:08:28] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [09:09:04] <kaiwai> anyone know whats happen with the codec pack for Solaris? [09:13:06] <kaiwai> no worries, found the reason - some scum sucking roach complained about it [09:13:43] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [09:17:29] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [09:19:26] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [09:26:49] <moazamraja> wow...how do you really feel... [09:28:19] *** nemesis_ has joined #opensolaris [09:31:30] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [09:31:31] <kaiwai> hmm, I held back, i admit it *blush* [09:34:24] *** mikefut has quit IRC [09:38:42] *** noyb has quit IRC [09:39:05] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [09:42:14] *** nemesis has quit IRC [09:42:15] *** xushi_ has joined #opensolaris [09:55:56] <Tempt> Evenin' all. [10:00:02] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:14] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:02:24] <kaiwai> good evening [10:09:01] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [10:15:44] <_mary_kate_> hmm, according to the data sheet, these two drives (with different model numbers) are identical [10:31:15] <Kaiba> any recommendations whether to use svn or cvs (off-topic I know)? :) [10:31:40] <_mary_kate_> svn [10:31:55] <_mary_kate_> svn is just a better cvs, nothing revolutionary [10:33:28] * bda continues to hear good things about mercurial. [10:35:53] *** Griffous has quit IRC [10:37:23] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [10:37:48] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [10:38:49] *** nemesis has joined #opensolaris [10:40:33] *** alobbs has quit IRC [10:42:45] <Kaiba> thanks [10:45:48] *** mikefut has quit IRC [10:47:21] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [10:47:22] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [10:48:01] <Fish-> hello [10:51:39] *** nemesis_ has quit IRC [10:57:56] *** mikefut has quit IRC [11:00:28] *** nemesis_ has joined #opensolaris [11:00:45] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [11:02:55] *** aruiz has quit IRC [11:05:39] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [11:06:31] <kaiwai> grrr [11:06:34] <kaiwai> I hate nautilus [11:07:10] <e^ipi> yeah, you hate everything, we get it [11:07:13] <e^ipi> it's old already [11:14:35] <_mary_kate_> is there any way to find the exact size of a hard disk, given the model #? [11:15:14] <coffman> Kaiba: svn is the sucsessor of cvs and you really dont want cvs anymore [11:15:34] *** nemesis has quit IRC [11:16:07] <coffman> Kaiba: i would also consider more modern systems like monotone or mercurial [11:16:31] <dlg> mmmcvs [11:20:28] * coffman hands kaiwai an vista dvd [11:20:30] <coffman> hf [11:20:33] *** JWheeler has joined #opensolaris [11:20:59] <kaiwai> coffman: no, just stupid crashes - click on properties when in a SMB share, and nautilus crashes [11:21:41] <kaiwai> oh wel, bigger things to worry about - like updating the older-than-me printer drivers [11:22:02] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [11:22:39] <coffman> kaiwai: file a bug [11:25:25] *** Tempt has quit IRC [11:25:49] *** Tempt has joined #opensolaris [11:27:55] <kaiwai> already have [11:28:02] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [11:28:05] <lloy0076> !!@#!@##!@ [11:28:13] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [11:28:20] <lloy0076> I'm stuck trying to figure out how to reenable a Linux MDADM damned software raid. [11:29:19] <bda> Assemble mode. [11:29:29] <bda> (iirc) [11:29:38] <bda> Yup. [11:30:00] <lloy0076> Yeah, but I disabled it accidentally. [11:30:14] <lloy0076> Number Major Minor RaidDevice State [11:30:15] <lloy0076> 0 8 1 0 active sync /dev/sda1 [11:30:15] <lloy0076> 1 0 0 - removed [11:30:15] <lloy0076> 2 8 17 1 spare rebuilding /dev/sdb1 [11:31:04] <lloy0076> I think that I've managed to get it back. [11:31:17] <lloy0076> In /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf I have: [11:31:21] *** wickedwicky6 has joined #opensolaris [11:31:22] *** wickedwicky has joined #opensolaris [11:31:25] <lloy0076> ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=485edb12:eeac5873:7bca18f5:142d85d6 [11:31:25] <lloy0076> devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 [11:31:34] <wickedwicky6> good morning all [11:31:37] <lloy0076> So, when /dev/sdb1 rebuilds it *should* know that it's there. [11:31:42] <_mary_kate_> do you normally join solaris channels to ask about linux software raid? :) [11:31:52] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: No, only to rant about them. [11:31:57] <wickedwicky6> lol! I was about to ask since when solaris uses mdadm [11:32:04] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: I'd much prefer to be using ZFS. [11:33:19] <coffman> lloy0076: linux and raid, next thing to say is data loss [11:33:38] <wickedwicky6> naw, raid works fine under Linux, I use it for literaly years [11:33:38] <lloy0076> I haven't managed to kill /dev/sda1 yet :P [11:33:59] <_mary_kate_> oh that's useful, the v40z tells you which scsi id maps to which slot [11:34:18] <wickedwicky6> it's just that the raid solution under linux is cheap, and ATA controllers and disks aren't really designed for RAID. If one disk goes down it will take the entire controller with it [11:34:54] <wickedwicky6> _mary_kate_: question for you. I am new to opensolaris but not to solaris. So, I was looking for something like 10_Recommended (patch cluster) [11:34:57] <wickedwicky6> does this exist at all? [11:35:07] <_mary_kate_> wickedwicky6: there are no patches for solaris express [11:35:17] <lloy0076> Personally, I see mdadm as about as esoteric as Solaris Volume Manager (please don't throw tomatoes at me when you realise I'm comparing them BOTH to ZFS). [11:35:18] <wickedwicky6> that safes me searching then :P [11:35:20] <_mary_kate_> you just upgrade to the next release every few weeks [11:35:44] <_mary_kate_> lloy0076: i find svm much easier to use that mdadm. ;) maybe because i used svm first though [11:35:47] <wickedwicky6> alright. thanks. I am quite happy with opensolaris actualy. I ran solaris 10 before this onmy laptop [11:35:54] <wickedwicky6> SVM rocks [11:36:09] <lloy0076> _mary_kate_: Yeah, same here. I can navigate SVM but still, compared to ZFS it's a lot more fiddly. [11:36:19] <wickedwicky6> it gave me a total nightmare last friday when Sun came by to validate our Sun Cluster 3.1 infrastructure, but that got solved :D [11:36:34] <lloy0076> oooo [11:36:48] <lloy0076> wickedwicky6: You have a Sun Validated cluster? [11:36:53] <wickedwicky6> Yes [11:37:06] <wickedwicky6> not at home, at work [11:38:12] <lloy0076> Oh, incidentally, I've avoided the whacky character problems by ditching gnome-terminal and using plain old xterm. [11:38:18] <wickedwicky6> I don't make enough money to get platinum contracts and pay for a validation :P [11:38:31] <lloy0076> AND xterm is FASTER at rendering than gnome-terminal [11:38:54] <wickedwicky6> that's cause xterm doesn't use gtk [11:39:14] <wickedwicky6> gtk makes things pretty but also slows down a bit [11:39:26] <Tempt> wickedwicky6: What hassles did Sun give you on your Cluster validation? [11:39:31] <_mary_kate_> Xft probably doesn't help either [11:39:32] <wickedwicky6> Sun didnt [11:39:45] <wickedwicky6> a firmware upgrade did [11:39:50] <Tempt> Aah. [11:39:52] <Tempt> PITA. [11:39:55] <wickedwicky6> they asked me to update the firmware of one of the internal disks [11:40:08] <wickedwicky6> which I did, and then I lost all the metadbs on that disk [11:40:40] <wickedwicky6> so I fixed that and had to resync all metadevices, one of them was a 600GB raid mirror :P [11:41:24] <wickedwicky6> so that took a while, and isnt cool when the submirrors are layed over a slice on a StorEdge 3510 and the last test of your validation is to see if the cluster survives an outage of the SE [11:41:25] *** monzie has joined #opensolaris [11:41:56] <wickedwicky6> so the SE test we'll do next week, and also replace the cache battery since "show fru" on the SE tells me the FRU expired. [11:42:14] <wickedwicky6> And write-trough mode on your SAN is not really what you want, at least I dont :P [11:43:06] <wickedwicky6> but, back to opensolaris. I installed it on my HP pavilion dv8373, and it works like a charm [11:43:11] <kaiwai> is it possible to manually select a PPD file to use vs whatrs in the list? [11:43:13] <wickedwicky6> xcept for wifi, but that's a known bug [11:44:14] <Tempt> Wow, I've never had Sun hit me with spindle firmware upgrades on a cluster validation. They obviously really looked yours over. [11:44:25] <wickedwicky6> we demanded it [11:44:39] <wickedwicky6> 1/08 we'll go commercialy live with our iDTV service [11:44:48] <kaiwai> wickedwicky: what type of wifi is it? [11:45:02] <wickedwicky6> lemme lookup the chipset, I always forget [11:45:16] <wickedwicky6> but what I read it is due to a kernel bug where the driver can't look behind the PCI bridge [11:46:17] <wickedwicky6> 3945ABG [11:46:36] <wickedwicky6> it gets detected, but can't load the firmware [11:46:43] <trygvis> morning [11:47:16] <wickedwicky6> good morning [11:47:36] <kaiwai> 3945 a/b/g is supported, but 4265 isn't [11:47:39] <Tempt> wickedwicky6: Good to see you got some value on that job then. You have had an excellent Sun guy on the job. [11:47:46] <kaiwai> or what ever they call their 'n' chipset [11:47:47] <wickedwicky6> wpi: [ID 133862 kern.warning] WARNING: wpi_init(): timeout waiting for firmware init [11:48:17] <wickedwicky6> Well yes, I know him for quite some time, and i am very happy with Sun support. We have platinum contracts on all our hardware so that helps I guess [11:48:35] <wickedwicky6> but really, I talked with Sun netherlands (where I live), Sun UK and Sun US and have nothing but good experience [11:49:24] <wickedwicky6> kawai: what I read on the opensolaris bug reports is that the problem isnt the chipset but the PCI-Bridge which it is behind [11:49:56] <coffman> ah, thats bad [11:51:01] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [11:51:02] <wickedwicky6> one of the workarounds is to use gdb to change memory addresses and all [11:51:07] <JWheeler> Can someone explain for me why some libraries are is /usr/include/X11/*, while others are in /usr/X11/include/X11/* ? [11:51:16] <Tempt> wickedwicky6: We have a really good local cluster guy too. [11:51:36] <JWheeler> perhaps one is the standard Xorg location, and ones is all the SUNW specific stuff? [11:54:42] <kaiwai> wickedwicky: I had the same error message, but all i did was reboot, and it loaded perfect [11:54:42] <kaiwai> opensol-20070709 is stable btw, which has some wpi fixes [11:55:29] <wickedwicky6> I'm gonna try that today then [11:55:40] <wickedwicky6> weather guys promised me 30 degrees and a summer sunday [11:55:54] <wickedwicky6> but when I look outside I see 30 degrees and grey rain clouds coming my way [11:56:47] *** wickedwicky6 has quit IRC [11:56:56] <coffman> JWheeler: /usr/include/X11/ is a symlink to /usr/openwin/include/X11 wich is XSUN /usr/X11 is XORG [11:57:25] <coffman> XSUN is going to be eol soon [11:57:49] <JWheeler> ah, so I'll always want to put -I/usr/X11/include before -I/usr/include [11:58:14] *** WickedWicky8 has joined #opensolaris [12:01:32] <kaiwai> hmm, tempted to get a Postscript printer from dell [12:01:55] <kaiwai> given Solaris doesn't support PIXMA ip1200 [12:02:41] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [12:03:10] <kaiwai> coffman: IIRC alanc said it would be quite some time before that happens - unless he was being conservative in his outlook [12:03:11] <WickedWicky8> does the java desktop environment support printing to a samba shared printer btw? [12:03:21] *** andyshack has joined #opensolaris [12:03:32] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [12:03:45] <Tempt> Aah, room to move: Memory size: 20480 Megabytes [12:04:26] <andyshack> thats a real computer that is. [12:04:31] <WickedWicky8> and I was happy with 3GB in my server :P [12:04:38] <Tempt> 8 CPUs online too. [12:04:51] <Tempt> And as soon as I get 4 more modules, it'll be 28Gb. [12:04:54] <andyshack> whats it for ? [12:05:02] <kaiwai> wickedwicky: I don't think it does - it still uses the crusty java based printer manager [12:05:54] <Tempt> andyshack: This computer? My general use home box. [12:06:41] <WickedWicky8> mkay, I should try to recompile gnome-print then [12:06:45] <andyshack> cool [12:06:51] <WickedWicky8> wait [12:07:01] <WickedWicky8> you have a " general" box with 20gigs of memory [12:07:16] <WickedWicky8> what's your "compile" box? :P [12:07:23] <kaiwai> wickedwicky: no, its the manager itself - thats the problem [12:07:30] <WickedWicky8> ow [12:07:31] <kaiwai> it isn't stock gnome [12:07:40] <kaiwai> its one of those disgusting things from Sun [12:07:54] *** jwtodd has quit IRC [12:07:54] <WickedWicky8> pitty [12:09:04] <Tempt> WickedWicky8: A zone on my general box ;) [12:10:10] <WickedWicky8> lol, awesome [12:10:51] <kaiwai> he operates the worlds most kinky porn site [12:10:58] <kaiwai> lots of traffic [12:11:22] <Tempt> And all on good ol' UltraSPARC CPUs. [12:12:19] <WickedWicky8> ohhhhhhh pr0n! [12:12:32] <kaiwai> true; the Blade 150 wasn't too bad the last time I used it, it would be nice for a laptop like Blade 150 for below NZ$3000 [12:12:34] * WickedWicky8 wants a sparc [12:12:49] <andyshack> im exploring automount. i get the basics of it. is there someway i can ask a machine to have a look out onto the local network and tell me what it sees in the way of nfs shares available from all systems ? instead of going /net/machinename1 ? [12:13:32] <kaiwai> wickedwicky8: when I used the Blade 150 as a normal desktop with a bit of twiddling of COBOL, it was fun [12:13:39] <Tempt> Ouch. [12:13:48] <Tempt> I still use a baby Blade at work. [12:14:07] <Tempt> My hunger for processing exceeds the abilities of the 100/150 now though. [12:14:28] <sickness> who said pr0n? :) [12:14:31] <kaiwai> Tempt: meh, it was nice to use as a desktop though; reliable, although not fast, but did the job nicely [12:14:37] <Tempt> Yep. [12:14:55] <kaiwai> sickness: about Tempt's 20gig monster serving the most kinky and nasty porn on the internet [12:15:02] <Tempt> Makes a fine x-terminal and general use box. The big java apps around these days tax them a bit though. [12:15:04] <sickness> omfgkewl :) [12:15:09] <sickness> Tempt: lol [12:15:28] <Tempt> sickness: Hey, I didn't say that. I don't server my pr0n anywhere. [12:15:39] <sickness> :( [12:16:31] <Tempt> How's your zpool of doom going? [12:17:07] *** nostoi has quit IRC [12:17:16] <coffman> porn site? ill do that! [12:17:21] <kaiwai> Tempt: yeah, 20gigs isn't enough [12:17:49] <Tempt> It'll be better when I get it up to 28Gb. [12:17:54] <sickness> I'm at 465gb of pr0n and counting (I've lots of gb of other things too) [12:17:59] <Tempt> Wow. [12:18:04] <Tempt> That's a *lot* of pr0n. [12:18:20] <sickness> yeah, and I've more on dvd-r media (divx/xvid format) [12:18:41] <sickness> I'd have to put it back on disk while still growing this ondisk collection... [12:18:52] <Tempt> You need a giant DVD jukebox [12:19:58] *** wickedwicky has quit IRC [12:20:16] <sickness> eheh, I prefer to have this fileserver on lan, than the dvd-r media for backup, and the lto1 tapes for an added backup [12:24:23] <coffman> 465gb is nothing [12:25:22] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [12:25:51] <Tempt> No, you get DVD changers that you can keep online. [12:26:01] <Tempt> Just use mediachanger commands to mount the right DVD [12:28:00] * lloy0076 dances for joy [12:28:02] <lloy0076> It rebuilt! [12:28:14] <sickness> uhm, sounds not cheap, and I'm a really cheap azz :P [12:29:09] <coffman> in the days of 1tb disks, who need jukeboxes? [12:33:04] *** monzie has quit IRC [12:33:15] <Tempt> People who like robotic monsters? [12:34:05] <coffman> heh, tape libs are cooler for that [12:34:47] <Tempt> Already have a tape monster, need more robot monsters. [12:35:58] <coffman> Tempt: http://mindstorms.lego.com/ [12:36:18] <Tempt> Doesn't talk SCSI or FC? ;) [12:36:54] <coffman> you can use them with java, c++, smalltalk etc [12:42:40] <trygvis> smalltalk? [12:42:43] <trygvis> damn [12:48:29] *** jgilje has joined #opensolaris [12:49:04] <kaiwai> if youre autistic you might struggle at small talk [12:49:27] <kaiwai> unless is small talk about smalltak [12:50:31] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [12:50:51] <coffman> im in the german ccc (chaos computer club) and we have a workshop for kids with lego mindstorm [12:51:43] <coffman> we teach them the basics of programming [12:51:49] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [12:51:59] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [12:53:36] <kaiwai> hmm, those iphones will sell terribly in asia [12:54:17] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [12:54:39] <Tempt> Why do you say that? [12:54:44] <coffman> http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone [12:55:29] <kaiwai> Tempt: the vodafone fiasco in japan for instance [12:56:18] <kaiwai> the failure by them to provide flip phones which are the overwhelmingly preferred phone form [12:56:53] <kaiwai> which resulted in a massive drop in marketshare, and value of their asset they acquired in japan [12:57:02] <andyshack> sickness : what are you using to backup to lto ? [12:58:54] <kaiwai> basically it was the prime example of a company failing to read the locale conditions resulting in failign to provide what customers want [12:59:27] <Tempt> The Asian market has a hunger for novelty phones. [12:59:38] <Tempt> But not overpriced stuff like the iphone. [12:59:51] <Tempt> At least not until the child slaves in the Apple factories such walking them out the door. [13:00:43] <kaiwai> Tempt: meh, I'd say that the phones from Sansung, LG, Daewoo, and the likes meet if not exceed any 'promises' Apple gives [13:01:25] <kaiwai> for me, I prefefr a flip phone, it takes up less space [13:01:26] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [13:01:47] <Tempt> Me, I prefer a phone without giving money to Apple. [13:02:11] <kaiwai> agreed - hence I'm happy with my elcheapo prepaid at NZ$179 [13:02:15] <Tempt> And now that more and more people are running MacOS X on non-Apple hardware, there's a great world of desktop computing available. [13:03:11] <Auralis> cheapest iphone costs 1400 bucks in total over the two years plus 115 bucks to geplace dead batteries [13:03:15] <kaiwai> Motorola phones seem to be an endangered species [13:04:14] <Tempt> Nokia phones running Symbian. That's where the win is. [13:04:58] <kaiwai> something like that -> https://www.telecom.co.nz/mobile/shop/front/0,,204449-201928,00.html?productCode=NOK6275&action=%2Fmshop_viewHandset ? [13:05:41] <Tempt> And lots of people have motorolas these days. [13:06:29] <kaiwai> not here, most tend to have either nokia or some asian branded phone (noticed that in aussie too) [13:07:49] <Tempt> Motorola RAZRs all round. [13:07:54] <Tempt> Common corporate phone handout as well. [13:17:31] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [13:18:10] *** deather has quit IRC [13:18:29] <kaiwai> hmm, I tend to see mostly nokia and crackberry's [13:19:10] <loke__> Tempt: Nokia E61i, that's where teh win is :-) [13:20:37] <Tempt> I found the N70 quite pleasant. [13:23:11] <Tempt> Data services in Australia are so expensive there's limited appeal in too many flashy phone functions. [13:23:35] * dlg has a bad habit of washing phones [13:23:51] <dlg> so i buy the cheapest phones i can find [13:24:33] <kaiwai> http://vistarapedme.com/2007/07/09/aero-jessica-simpson/ <-- I would have thought a comparison to Paris Hilton would be more correct [13:27:14] <kaiwai> Tempt: true, but then again, the speed is so shit on mobile phones, you're not losing anything [13:30:13] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [13:37:08] <sickness> andyshack: gtar :/ [13:41:09] <Symmetria> hrm [13:41:19] <Symmetria> sourcing 48U racks in this fucking country of mine is proving to be a bitch [13:45:23] *** andyshack has quit IRC [13:53:42] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [13:54:06] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [13:54:21] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [13:55:10] <coffman> e61i is great, you can easily ssh with it [13:55:40] <cmihai> coffman: it's huge mate [13:56:16] <cmihai> It's easier to get one of those PDA's with phone and GPS. [13:58:54] <Tempt> I want a Zaurus for doing my ssh sessions; just connect by bluetooth to your data provider of choice. [13:59:05] <Tempt> Double-handy for console logins in the machineroom - bluetooth serial. [13:59:19] <cmihai> Yeah, plus it runs OpenBSD :-] [13:59:26] <_mary_kate_> what's the range of bluetooth? [14:00:32] <Tempt> Depends on the radios, antenna etc [14:00:55] <Tempt> Some stuff pushes it to work more than a couple of metres, so people have it running over a kilometre [14:01:43] <cmihai> Erm [14:01:47] <cmihai> Bluetooth is 10m mate [14:02:11] <cmihai> You can take it up to say 100 [14:02:18] <cmihai> But 1km? [14:02:32] <Tempt> Some guys made bluejacking gear that ran for over 26 klicks [14:02:53] <Symmetria> heh nothing suprises me anymore [14:02:56] <cmihai> You mean bluesnarfing? [14:03:02] <Tempt> whatever [14:03:03] <Tempt> blue* [14:03:04] <Symmetria> cisco claims they have optics that can do 10gig over fiber over a thousand kilometers without regeneration [14:03:29] <cmihai> Well, currently ~=100km is the norm. [14:03:33] <cmihai> Well, 70. [14:03:36] <Symmetria> heh cmihai yeah [14:03:40] <Symmetria> a thousand... [14:03:41] <Symmetria> is a LONG way [14:03:42] <Symmetria> :p [14:03:47] <cmihai> Yeah [14:03:55] <Symmetria> heh they can do 150 DWDM 10gig as well [14:03:58] <Symmetria> according to their latest stuff [14:04:01] <Symmetria> 80 with ease [14:04:09] <Symmetria> but using white light they can do a thousand [14:04:14] <cmihai> wow [14:04:35] <Tempt> Yay for fibre; always good. [14:04:55] <cmihai> Symmetria: that sounds great fort those trans-atlantic routes and stuff [14:05:27] <Symmetria> heh cmihai I never put optics that do > 10 kilometers in my routers and > 40 kilometers in most of my ons kit [14:05:48] <Symmetria> heh we will go 120 on DWDM at MAX when we light the jhb -> pta segment but thats the limit of how far Im prepared to push this [14:05:49] <kaiwai> damn, alot of 'the smiths' and morrissey songs on youtube [14:05:54] <Symmetria> until someone has done a lot more testing [14:06:05] *** master_of_master has joined #opensolaris [14:06:13] <Tempt> Not surprising. [14:06:21] <Symmetria> heh cmihai you seen the price of 40gig tuneable optics/plims btw? [14:06:28] * Symmetria almost choked [14:06:32] <cmihai> Symmetria: it's easier to rent > 10km then install it... [14:07:15] <Symmetria> heh cmihai not in this country its not :p and we have access to all the fiber installed by the roads agency, but its just long runs completely unlit and untouched [14:07:24] <cmihai> And yeah, the price is WAY too high. [14:07:27] <Symmetria> so they give it to us andw e just splice into it [14:07:37] <Tempt> That was one of the joys about working for a telco [14:07:44] <Tempt> Want to build a multisite suncluster? [14:07:49] <Tempt> just grab 8 fibres between sites [14:08:10] <cmihai> Symmetria: where are you from, Africa or something? :P [14:08:17] <Symmetria> cmihai ahahhahaha [14:08:20] <Symmetria> south africa :p [14:08:28] <cmihai> 0_o [14:08:37] <Symmetria> (what would the or something be exactly, antarctica?) [14:08:45] <cmihai> Australia :P [14:08:52] <kaiwai> *gives Symmetria an AK47 for personnal safety* [14:09:18] <Symmetria> errrr kaiwai, errr dude, we moved past the AK47 a long long time ago, now days we use RPG's [14:09:23] <cmihai> lol [14:09:32] <cmihai> No no, officer, I'm not a terrorist.. [14:09:33] <Symmetria> since all the criminals out there have AK47s we need something a bit more powerful :p [14:09:36] <cmihai> It's for.. protection!` [14:09:54] <kaiwai> cmihai: when you're in South Africa, its actually a real excuse [14:10:17] <Symmetria> heh kaiwai its not that bad unless you're in certain parts of the country [14:10:21] <Symmetria> really its not :) [14:10:26] <Symmetria> capetown is pretty safe where I am [14:10:27] <cmihai> "Is that an RPG in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" :-) [14:10:41] <Symmetria> heh I dont even have a flamethrower on my car anymore [14:10:44] <kaiwai> Symmetria: with or without an armed escort? :P [14:10:45] <cmihai> lol [14:11:24] <Symmetria> heh kaiwai trust me, if I need to shoot someone, I'll do it myself, but very seldom need to use armed force in capetown [14:11:32] <Symmetria> crime rate is low here [14:11:58] <Symmetria> *shrug* I pack when moving around joburg sometimes, generally a .52 DE [14:12:03] <Symmetria> but not capetown [14:12:17] <kaiwai> meh, still wouldn't go there for the world cup - given the crime rate [14:12:18] <cmihai> 0_O [14:12:24] <Tempt> What are the local gun laws like? [14:12:32] <cmihai> There is a .52 DE? [14:12:33] <kaiwai> if you don't have one, you're nuts [14:12:40] <kaiwai> thats the law ;) [14:12:48] <Symmetria> heh Tempt you can get gun licenses within reason [14:12:51] <Symmetria> but nothing above a semi [14:13:01] <Symmetria> and kaiwai is actually talking a load of crap, its NOT that bad here [14:13:06] <Symmetria> i would say east L.A is worse [14:13:13] <cmihai> Probably :-) [14:13:14] <Tempt> Australian gun laws get tighter every 10 minutes [14:13:17] <Symmetria> so are large parts of washington d.c [14:13:18] <cmihai> Plus the place looks pretty nice. [14:13:21] *** nemesis_ is now known as nemsis [14:13:24] *** nemsis is now known as nemesis [14:14:22] <Symmetria> heh I owned 6 weapons, sold all but 1 of them, and only carry the one I have left if I *KNOW* Im going into very specific areas of joburg because is very very seldom [14:14:27] <Symmetria> cause if you are smart you just avoid those areas [14:14:56] <Symmetria> heh the only reason tourists get hurt in this country is because they do stupid things like "Oh! I wanna go see how the poor people live! Take me into the middle of the most dangerous township in the country so I can take photos!" [14:15:03] <Symmetria> like *DOH* [14:15:12] <cmihai> lol [14:15:33] <Tempt> heh [14:15:52] <Symmetria> like the american who got mauled by a lion a while back.... who... get this... said his camera didnt have enough zoom... so in the middle of the kruger park got OUT OF HIS CAR... AND WANDERED OVER TO THE LION TO TAKE PHOTOS!" [14:15:53] <Tempt> Nothing like human stupidity to keep the population down. [14:16:03] <Symmetria> and wondered why the fuck the thing attacked him [14:16:12] <Tempt> Indeed; human stupidity [14:16:18] <cmihai> Symmetria: we had another American idiot who tried the same thing here :P [14:16:19] <cmihai> With a bear. [14:16:24] <cmihai> Went to the mountains [14:16:26] <cmihai> Saw a bear [14:16:32] <cmihai> and got close to take flash pictores [14:16:33] <cmihai> pictures. [14:16:38] <Symmetria> I saw some other moron in another game park, drive his car off the road, and like, within 4 meters of a rhino and her baby, now, rhinos are normally pretty placid, but errr with a baby? [14:16:51] <cmihai> heh [14:16:52] <Symmetria> so the rhino charges this dudes car, he was reversing at like 60km/hour for like a kilometer [14:16:56] <Symmetria> with a rhino charging him [14:16:59] <cmihai> lol [14:17:03] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC [14:17:04] <cmihai> That's just funny. [14:17:32] <Tempt> ./psicon -t connect -o secure,async -h tclm1 -bg [14:17:39] <Tempt> oops [14:17:40] <cmihai> Was he using a flash too? That's just stupid :-] [14:17:41] <Tempt> wrong window [14:17:48] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [14:17:50] <cmihai> Tempt: is tclm1 your password? [14:17:51] <cmihai> :P [14:18:05] <Tempt> of course! [14:18:12] <Tempt> I like sharing my passwords with IRC! [14:18:17] <cmihai> Duh [14:18:24] <Tempt> Shall I paste my ssh keys here? [14:18:27] <cmihai> /msg NickServ identify ooops [14:18:32] <Symmetria> hrm [14:18:35] <cmihai> Tempt: eye, go ahead. [14:18:41] <cmihai> Tempt: I hope they are passwordless too. [14:18:49] <Symmetria> I need to find someone who can sell me sun network cards in .za without an 8 week lead time [14:19:02] <cmihai> 8 weeks? [14:19:19] <Tempt> Of course, I love passwordless ssh and love sharing my keys around, especially those with root privs. Everyone is trustworthy and nice, so why worry? [14:19:20] <cmihai> You gonna buy that 10GbE? [14:19:32] <Tempt> Symmetria: DiData? [14:19:33] <kaiwai> wine is coming along nicely [14:19:43] <Symmetria> Tempt they want ages worth of lead time to give me the particular thing I want [14:20:07] <Tempt> Annoying. [14:20:15] <Symmetria> heh Im trying to buy 10gig network cards [14:20:26] <Tempt> cmihai: Would you like my router passwords too? [14:20:42] <cmihai> Tempt: are they: manager and "friend"? [14:20:52] <Symmetria> and the last person I asked for a 10gig network card told me that the fastest card made anywhere was 1gig as far as they knew [14:20:55] * Symmetria rolls his eyes [14:21:10] <Tempt> Just ask by X-option. [14:21:48] *** CSFrost has quit IRC [14:24:28] <Tempt> cmihai: Oh, "login" and "enable" [14:24:49] <cmihai> That's good. [14:26:04] <Symmetria> hhe [14:26:09] <Symmetria> tempt which routers do you use btw [14:26:41] <kaiwai> hmm, would cups be accepted into being part of the SXCE/SXDE distribution if submitted? [14:27:22] <cmihai> Symmetria: Cisco, duh [14:27:43] <Symmetria> holy shit I won 900 thousand euros in the internet lottery sponsored by microsoft! I just have to reply to this email! *zomg* *dances* :p [14:27:45] <Symmetria> gawd I hate this crap [14:27:54] <Symmetria> heh cmihai yeah but Im wondering which models :p [14:28:12] <Tempt> 12000 [14:28:15] <Tempt> of course. [14:28:16] <cmihai> wow [14:28:21] <Symmetria> you're using gsr's? [14:28:24] * Symmetria pities you [14:28:28] <cmihai> Holy mother of expensive :-) [14:28:29] <Tempt> Now go look up the security 'sploits on that one ;) [14:28:45] <Symmetria> heh tempt I cant STAND gsr's [14:28:53] <Symmetria> give me CRS or 76xx thanks [14:29:01] <Tempt> Hey, I was kidding. [14:29:02] <_mary_kate_> hmm, two fujitsu disks failed in this system over the last two years. are they usually that bad? [14:29:09] <cmihai> master_of_master: no. [14:29:10] <Tempt> I might like overkill but I'm no standing those varmints up at home. [14:29:14] <Symmetria> I just bought 8 x 7609-S Dual RSP720 [14:29:25] *** CSFrost has joined #opensolaris [14:29:32] <cmihai> _mary_kate_: Though they might have reached the MTBF limit. [14:29:35] <Tempt> 2651s do me just fine for my DSL connection. [14:29:38] <Symmetria> heh the GSR is no more powerful than a 7609 anyway [14:29:44] <Symmetria> not anymore [14:29:45] <Tempt> CRS are nice. [14:29:50] <Symmetria> different uses though [14:29:52] <_mary_kate_> cmihai: in two years? (although saying that i get the feeling this wasn't a mint condition system when it arrived :) [14:29:56] <Symmetria> heh buying 4 CRS-1 4slot shortly [14:30:05] <cmihai> _mary_kate_: well, 2 years ain't bad. [14:30:10] <Symmetria> and 30 15454 ONS [14:30:13] <Tempt> Big environment there? [14:30:25] <Symmetria> tempt heh, Im cto of the south african research and education network [14:30:28] <Symmetria> we're busy building our new network [14:30:39] <Symmetria> to link 103 campuses at 10gig each [14:30:39] <Tempt> Shiny. [14:30:40] <cmihai> _mary_kate_: Depends on what you've got going on there, temperature problems, lots of disks, all disks bought at the same time + rebuilding parity == greater chance of failure, etc. [14:30:43] <Tempt> Sounds like a good job. [14:30:47] <cmihai> _mary_kate_: seen a lot of disks fail when rebuilding parity. [14:30:57] <cmihai> Wait a minute. [14:31:00] <Tempt> What sort of management software are you using there? [14:31:11] <Symmetria> Tempt that we are still evaluating our options [14:31:25] <Tempt> What's on the plate? [14:31:31] <Symmetria> Im thinking of hiring a decent nagios developer actually, since the vast majority of management software out there, sucks so bad it makes me wanna cry [14:31:33] <cmihai> Wow, that's pretty cool Symmetria :-). [14:31:46] * Tempt really doesn't like Nagios [14:31:54] <Tempt> If you're going to back an Open Source option, take Hyperic. [14:31:56] <Symmetria> Tempt its more like, whats fallen off the plate so far, cisco works and hp nnm for one thing were the first things to die [14:32:03] <cmihai> Nagios 2 isn't bad, but havint to upgrade or add stuff can be a PITA. [14:32:08] <cmihai> Still, beats paying for OpenView and such [14:32:14] <Tempt> CiscoWorks is getting pretty dated. [14:32:19] <Symmetria> openview you shoulda died a long time ago [14:32:26] <Symmetria> havent played with hyperic [14:32:30] <Tempt> I'm trying to remember the name of the software that was being trialled before I left telcoland. [14:32:37] <Tempt> Try Hyperic. Seriously. [14:32:44] <Symmetria> got a url for me? [14:32:50] <Tempt> Just don't try using it with postgres (and especially not the bundled postgres) [14:33:02] <Tempt> It'll give you hell until you give it the oracle it wants. [14:33:07] <Symmetria> and tempt, how is hyperic in a dev sense to add things to it that it doesnt normally support [14:33:21] <Tempt> I haven't found a feature I've needed to add, so I have no idea. [14:33:42] <Symmetria> tempt heh, I've yet to find any platform that can decently handle monitoring on DWDM circuits on ONS kit [14:33:59] <Tempt> Yes, well, not a common requirement. [14:34:15] <fortytwo1> opennms is quite alright i think [14:34:15] <Tempt> There was a really nice carrier-grade toolset that was being investigated just before I changed jobs. [14:34:22] <fortytwo1> i ike it better than nagios [14:34:27] <fortytwo1> like [14:34:30] <Tempt> Hyperic kicks OpenNMS' arse. [14:34:52] <fortytwo1> oh [14:34:53] <Tempt> Symmetria: Don't forget to look at Crannog Netflow Tracker. [14:35:03] <fortytwo1> maybe i'll have to try that out then [14:35:04] <Symmetria> tempt we use crannog [14:35:07] <Symmetria> for netflow stuff [14:35:10] <Symmetria> that is one thing I do use [14:35:26] <Symmetria> but mmmm Im actually using more custom stuff that draws off their collector and database schema than their own interface [14:35:28] <kaiwai> this is bloody scary; its compiling [14:40:15] <Tempt> I like the feel of Crannog but not the performance [14:40:38] <Tempt> Queries take a long time. [14:40:48] <Tempt> I hate the fact that it is so tied to mysql as well [14:42:27] <kaiwai> hmm, I remember the ISP I worked, they used a Windows machine + MySQL for login authentication (along with other god awful thing) [14:42:43] <Tempt> Err, what happened to radias? [14:42:46] <Tempt> radius anyway. [14:42:58] <Tempt> Radias is something very different. [14:43:10] * WickedWicky8 is gonna make some coffee while nevada build 68 is downloading. [14:43:14] <kaiwai> wine is compiling nicely [14:43:44] <WickedWicky8> I hope my audio/wifi will start to work :D [14:43:59] <kaiwai> well, your wifi should work [14:44:09] <kaiwai> did you install opensound for the audio? [14:44:10] <WickedWicky8> after that my HPDSA/UMTS pcmcia card and the capability to stream ASF via my browser and I'll ditch vista [14:44:17] <WickedWicky8> well, no [14:44:36] <WickedWicky8> I installed the dvd three weeks ago, got sucked up in work-mathers and didnt have a time to play around [14:44:45] *** axxl_ has joined #opensolaris [14:44:48] <WickedWicky8> I do get interesting kernel messages tho [14:45:14] <WickedWicky8> Jul 15 14:35:23 solaris-devx audiosup: [ID 370106 kern.warning] WARNING: audiohd0: unsupported HD codec: vid=0x14f15047, rev=0x00100000 [14:45:14] <WickedWicky8> Jul 15 14:35:23 solaris-devx audiosup: [ID 493330 kern.warning] WARNING: audiohd0: audiohd_attach() couldn't create codec [14:45:33] <kaiwai> well, install opensound [14:45:53] <WickedWicky8> I'll give it a try :D I wanna update to the latest build anyway [14:45:58] <kaiwai> ah, ok [14:46:17] <kaiwai> the wifi should work - like I said, I got an error message like that one time, rebooted, and everything worked nicely [14:46:19] <WickedWicky8> it's raining and I am bored till the point I watched Transformers 2007 [14:46:35] <kaiwai> I remember that when I was 7/8 years old [14:46:46] <kaiwai> along with 'thundercats' [14:46:47] <WickedWicky8> I watched the new movie [14:46:50] <WickedWicky8> thundercats! [14:46:55] <WickedWicky8> sky channel ruled [14:46:58] <WickedWicky8> DJ cat show [14:47:01] <WickedWicky8> Fun Factory [14:47:12] <WickedWicky8> I feel old :P [14:47:20] <kaiwai> join the club [14:48:24] <WickedWicky8> ok, coffee time, be right back [14:48:50] <kaiwai> have fun [14:49:53] *** nemesis has quit IRC [14:50:17] <kaiwai> now, if they got the USB support going on wine, it would be pretty damn cool [14:52:09] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [14:52:55] <WickedWicky8> they dont? [14:53:25] <Tempt> USB/Solaris/Win4Solaris/SunRay @ http://blogs.sun.com/thinguy [14:53:29] *** gns has joined #opensolaris [14:54:42] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris [14:55:52] <kaiwai> ooh, win4solaris [14:55:58] <kaiwai> is that a Sun product? [14:57:09] <Tempt> no ieea. [14:57:10] <Tempt> no idea. [14:57:13] <Tempt> Read his blog. [14:57:37] <kaiwai> hopefully USB support will work [14:59:20] <WickedWicky8> do I really have to burn the iso to a dvd and boot from it for upgrading? or can I mount the iso via lofiadm? [14:59:58] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [15:00:08] <trygvis> if you want to upgrade you have to, but not if you use LU (live upgrade) [15:00:11] <kaiwai> OMG I'm instlal IE 6 on Solaris! [15:00:18] <Tempt> kaiwai: What USB device are you trying to get working, anyway? [15:00:25] <kaiwai> MiniDisc player [15:00:45] <kaiwai> I don't exect Sony support anyime soon, soo a virtualisation solution with USB support would be the next best thing [15:01:20] <Tempt> old news on IE: [vnc] [15:01:31] <Tempt> old news on IE: /global/system/apps/ie5/ie/sunos5/iexplorer: ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped [15:01:46] *** axxl has quit IRC [15:01:57] <kaiwai> lol, using it via wine on Solaris :) [15:02:00] <Tempt> Are you really going to use that minidisc anyway? [15:02:49] <kaiwai> meh, loaded all my music on it though [15:02:56] <kaiwai> anyway, brb [15:02:59] *** kaiwai has quit IRC [15:05:57] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [15:06:50] <WickedWicky8> so how is this gonna work anyway? SunOS 5.11 will be based on opensolaris? [15:08:04] *** kaiwai has joined #opensolaris [15:08:12] <WickedWicky8> welcome back [15:08:13] <Tempt> WickedWicky8: Perhaps, perhaps not. [15:10:03] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [15:10:09] <WickedWicky8> would be cool tho. And it probably would give companies a bigger comitment to opensource/opensolaris since the more they invest in it the better their server operatingenvironment gets [15:10:31] <Tempt> Technologies and code from OpenSolaris will be the basis for Solaris 11, but not necessarily the format of the OpenSolaris distribution/releases. [15:10:45] <_mary_kate_> the plan is that solaris 11 will be based on opensolaris source - but i suspect sun will fork the source into a closed tree for maintenance [15:11:00] <_mary_kate_> (so they can maintain control over patches and such) [15:11:01] <jmcp> why do you suspect that? [15:11:11] <jmcp> seriously, is that all you've got to go on? [15:11:22] <WickedWicky8> because Sun can only support what they have control over [15:11:29] <jmcp> not true [15:11:35] <Tempt> "closed tree" is a bit much. [15:11:39] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: i didn't say it was a bad thing, it just seems like the most obvious way to proceed [15:11:42] <Tempt> It'll be a seperate tree. [15:11:54] <WickedWicky8> well maybe not closed tree, but it will be a springoff probably [15:11:59] <jmcp> as somebody who works on that tree, I think you are very, very wrong in that [15:12:00] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: opening maintenance of real Solaris would be more effort with not much gain [15:12:17] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: that is what i meant :) [15:12:26] <jmcp> I strongly disagree with you [15:12:32] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [15:13:11] <_mary_kate_> well, we'll see [15:13:20] <jmcp> yes, we sure will [15:13:55] <WickedWicky8> never the less, opensolaris is nice, IMO [15:13:58] <jmcp> all the code that's been released under CDDL cannot be closed off again [15:14:05] <jmcp> WickedWicky8: glad you like it [15:14:15] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [15:14:26] *** jcea has left #opensolaris [15:14:43] <_mary_kate_> jmcp: of course, the source at the branch point will still be there, and development on 5.12 will be open.. but sun isn't compelled to release changes in an internal 5.11 branch [15:15:02] <jmcp> you're completely ignoring or misunderstanding the whole CDDL concept [15:15:15] <_mary_kate_> i am ignoring it, because sun owns the copyright on all the CDDL code [15:15:20] <_mary_kate_> so they don't have to obey the license [15:15:20] <jmcp> bzzzt, wrong [15:15:23] <jmcp> have you looked at it? [15:15:23] <WickedWicky8> I used to have an Acer 1703, running Solaris 8 , then upgraded to 9, then I blew up my motherboard, bought an HP laptop and ran solaris 9 and 10 on it, and now opensolaris [15:15:23] <Tempt> Easy, easy guys [15:15:33] <Tempt> This is not the time nor the place for licensing debates. [15:15:37] <jmcp> oh, and yes, Sun most certainly *does* have to obey the licensing [15:15:47] <Tempt> Enjoy your OpenSolaris guys, enjoy it without the politics. [15:15:48] <WickedWicky8> coffee anyone? :P [15:15:51] <jmcp> Tempt: yeah, true - it's 2315 and I was about to head off to sleep [15:15:54] <Tempt> Yes, please, coffee. [15:15:57] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [15:16:08] <Tempt> Save the licensing debates for laughing at GPL wars. [15:16:17] * jmcp gives up [15:16:20] <jmcp> gnite [15:16:27] <WickedWicky8> sleep well! [15:16:42] <Tempt> There is apparently a growing crowd of Linux -> OpenSolaris converts following the whole GPLv2/v3 debate. [15:17:38] <WickedWicky8> I am not converting, I am just involved with solaris a lot due to my work. [15:17:55] <WickedWicky8> so I thought it would be nice to run opensolaris and keep up to date with stuff :D [15:18:55] <Tempt> What's your preferred platform? [15:18:57] <kaiwai> Tempt: I wouldn't be surprised, at one point there was a Linux -> FreeBSd converts too [15:19:04] <kaiwai> less licence, more technology [15:19:06] <WickedWicky8> I don't have a preferred platform [15:19:09] <Tempt> kaiwai: That's cranking up again as well [15:19:35] <kaiwai> the stupid idea is when there are linux advocates who think that licences magically make things happen [15:19:36] <Tempt> kaiwai: The whole kernel licensing debate has a lot of the Linux crowd saying the kernel doesn't matter and are talking about a GNU/FreeBSD movement. [15:19:50] <Tempt> WickedWicky8: No preference at all? [15:20:13] <Tempt> WickedWicky8: Someone offered you your choice of workstation and OS you would take .. ? [15:20:18] <WickedWicky8> I prefer Unix/Linux over Windows, if that's what you mean [15:20:28] <WickedWicky8> depends on what I'd be doing with the workstation [15:20:36] <dlg> the kernel definitely matters [15:20:38] <dlg> idiots [15:20:48] <WickedWicky8> if I am gonna work a lot with Windows Media streaming I'd prolly go for XP/Vista [15:21:00] *** triplah_ has quit IRC [15:21:01] <WickedWicky8> if it's system administration with lots of consoles, Solaris with Java Desktop [15:21:12] <WickedWicky8> unfortunatly I do both, which is why I have dual boot :D [15:21:17] <Tempt> Very reasonable choices. [15:21:39] <Tempt> dlg: I think people are wising up to the fact that the linux kernel isn't the only choice. [15:22:11] <dlg> uhu [15:22:34] <WickedWicky8> I'm charged with the IPTV project here, so I have a lot of media/streaming stuff to look after, and remote desktop sessions. But when I have to do stuff on a linux/unix server I prefer to have 20 consoles open, so I boot to Solaris [15:22:49] <WickedWicky8> I didnt find a decent remote desktop client for Solaris yet by the way, any suggestions? [15:22:59] <dlg> rdesktop should work fine [15:23:27] <kaiwai> yeah, videolan :) [15:24:35] <WickedWicky8> actually I am opting at work to connect all HP servers to ILO [15:24:40] *** dduvall has quit IRC [15:24:42] <Tempt> Use Sun's remote desktop client [15:24:45] <WickedWicky8> so we can get rid of our cyclades and all [15:24:46] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [15:24:55] <Tempt> They have their own that they brewed up as a result of their IP licensing deal with MS. [15:26:32] <WickedWicky8> let's see [15:34:17] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris [15:34:33] *** kaiwai has quit IRC [15:35:27] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [15:35:46] *** tombhad-AC has joined #opensolaris [15:36:00] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [15:36:40] *** yatesy has quit IRC [15:36:42] *** yatesy_ has joined #OpenSolaris [15:37:26] *** axxl_ has quit IRC [15:39:38] *** trs81 has quit IRC [15:39:46] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [15:41:20] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [15:42:18] *** yatesy has joined #OpenSolaris [15:42:31] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [15:42:43] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [15:43:19] *** swmackie has joined #opensolaris [15:43:20] *** yatesy_ has quit IRC [15:47:32] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [15:47:36] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [15:47:41] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [15:48:06] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [15:48:16] *** dduvall_ has joined #opensolaris [15:48:36] *** dduvall has quit IRC [15:48:39] *** dduvall_ is now known as dduvall [15:50:16] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [15:52:41] <coffman> win4solaris is basicly qemu with a kernel module and some drivers around etc [15:52:49] <coffman> will work with usb i think [15:53:36] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [15:54:14] <coffman> Symmetria: a friend of mine heads a society that delivers students homes with network [15:54:52] <coffman> Symmetria: they got 4000 users, they now upgraded to 1gig and try to get 10gig this year [15:57:28] *** jhawk has quit IRC [16:00:22] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [16:06:19] <Tempt> aah, looks like my new pastebin app is working nicely. [16:06:26] <Tempt> Should be good to deploy tomorrow morning. [16:07:15] *** dduvall has quit IRC [16:07:20] *** alanc__ has joined #opensolaris [16:07:23] *** alanc_work has joined #opensolaris [16:10:17] *** alanc has quit IRC [16:10:48] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [16:10:59] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [16:17:35] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC [16:24:02] *** alanc_work has quit IRC [16:26:42] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [16:26:44] <Symmetria> heh coffman 10gig gets expensive unfortunatly :( [16:26:49] <Symmetria> the equipment is horrifically pricey [16:26:50] *** alanc__ has quit IRC [16:27:36] <asyd> :s &" [16:29:39] <Tempt> if you think the cards a pricey, wait until you see the switch prices [16:30:12] <Tempt> are pricey [16:30:19] <Tempt> meh, getting late, brain is going offline. [16:30:20] <_mary_kate_> also, cruddy port density [16:30:36] <dlg> mmm10Gb [16:30:37] <Tempt> That's understandable though [16:30:51] <Tempt> Imagine the sort of backplane required to run (say) 48 10gbE ports [16:31:18] <dlg> its not like you want 10Gb to the desktop just yet [16:31:29] <dlg> its useful for interconnects [16:31:34] <Tempt> now pack that into a small blade. [16:32:28] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [16:32:39] <Tempt> I've seen 10GbE in carrier situations for over a year now. [16:32:53] <Tempt> Using it to replace SDH links etc. [16:33:06] <_mary_kate_> yeah, but i wouldn't mind 8 10GE ports in a 40GE linecard - you don't always need full speed on all ports [16:33:28] <Tempt> Can't say much more about it, it started getting confusion when the network guys talked about Martini circuits and whatever. I wasn't sure if they were talking networks or drinkies. [16:34:00] <Tempt> And let's not encourage network hardware vendors to start going back to oversubcribing switches. [16:35:06] <dlg> 10Gb is still relatively new [16:36:21] <dlg> by the time it filters into common use i think a lot of problems will have been ironed out [16:36:45] <dlg> and the lessons for doing 1Gb will apply with the 10Gb stuff too [16:37:54] <Tempt> http://www.soafacts.com/ [16:37:56] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [16:37:57] *** dduvall_ has joined #opensolaris [16:37:57] *** dduvall_ is now known as dduvall [16:38:30] <trygvis> hehehe [16:38:53] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [16:42:27] *** Nishaway has joined #opensolaris [16:42:44] <coffman> they do 10gig throw the houses and 1gig in every room [16:42:55] <coffman> thats some nasty shit [16:43:54] <coffman> */throw/thru [16:46:29] <coffman> wah i want his job, he also works for the hlrs in stuttgart - cluster stuff [16:47:08] <coffman> the got nec, itanium, opteron and xeon clusters [16:55:32] *** mega has quit IRC [16:56:43] *** dduvall has quit IRC [16:57:51] *** gns has quit IRC [16:58:11] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [17:02:43] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [17:03:28] *** dduvall__ has joined #opensolaris [17:03:30] *** dduvall__ is now known as dduvall [17:03:31] <jbk> morning [17:03:38] <Tempt> morning. [17:03:58] <jbk> sup? [17:04:01] *** cmihai has quit IRC [17:04:12] <Tempt> Not much. [17:04:22] <Tempt> Finished my patching run and upgraded the host. [17:05:13] <jbk> ahh [17:05:19] <jbk> i'm stuck at the airport [17:05:22] <jbk> (delayed flight) [17:05:33] <Tempt> Bummer. [17:05:45] <Tempt> Guess there's not a whole lot to do except kill time online, huh? [17:06:25] <jbk> pretty much [17:06:35] <jbk> though i think the monsoon has let up :) [17:06:50] <Tempt> What's the localtime over there? [17:06:55] <jbk> 10am [17:08:20] <Tempt> Must be about breakfast time? [17:08:30] <jbk> pretty much [17:09:26] <Tempt> Even less exciting than waiting for patches ... [17:10:14] <WickedWicky8> I'm watching Tour de France while upgrading from b64 to b68 :P [17:10:45] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [17:10:58] <WickedWicky8> well, not watching watching, it's on in the background [17:15:25] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [17:16:33] <trygvis> hmm .. will zpool iostat -v 5 show the per second average or the 5 second sum? [17:18:27] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC [17:19:20] *** nostoi has quit IRC [17:19:21] *** morteng has joined #opensolaris [17:20:11] <bda> trygvis: Per second, not per interval. [17:20:47] <morteng> hi I have just logged in, is my fonts and gaim settings ok? [17:22:35] <trygvis> irc is a ascii protocol, we can't see the font/color you're usin [17:22:36] <trygvis> g [17:22:47] *** rasputnik has joined #opensolaris [17:22:50] <_mary_kate_> some irc clients are broken and send coloured text by default [17:23:06] *** dduvall has quit IRC [17:23:07] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [17:23:27] <rasputnik> is there dvorak support in b68? I've spent an hour messing with xmodmap, so I expect there's an easier way [17:26:00] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [17:26:10] <Tempt> trygvis: 5 second sum [17:26:38] <Tempt> trygvis: Oh, 5 second average, sorry [17:26:43] <Tempt> trygvis: Did I mention lack of brain? [17:26:58] <morteng> Is there any way under open solaris, please to read a CHM compiled help file, IIRC that works with linux. [17:27:59] <Tempt> Which app do you use on Linux? [17:31:37] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [17:32:21] *** dduvall__ has joined #opensolaris [17:32:22] *** dduvall__ is now known as dduvall [17:32:32] <morteng> one moment, i have solaris up and running, I used a debian dpkg, and that could read well chm. [17:33:47] <rasputnik> where is xorg.conf on solaris, anyway? does it not exist by default? [17:34:52] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [17:35:04] <morteng> Package: xchm (2:1.13-4) and also another one , not the python chm which actually worked. can that work well woth opensolaris ? [17:35:38] <trygvis> Tempt: yeah, you said something about it being offline :) [17:36:02] <trygvis> rasputnik: nope, it's all auto-detected [17:36:21] <trygvis> I think you can get one if you log out from X and run X -configure [17:36:37] <Tempt> Somewhere there is a tool to convert chm to html. [17:36:44] <Tempt> Damned if I can remember the name though. [17:38:20] <Tempt> (from wikipedia) - open source tools which can read and explore these files (see for example xCHM, KchmViewer, GnoCHM, Chmox for OS X, or Chamonix for OS X), but they lack various features of the Microsoft Windows tools, most importantly a write support. [17:39:29] <Tempt> Actually, there are a stack of links on dealing with it. [17:39:42] <Tempt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_help [17:40:00] <morteng> Interesting, thanx [17:40:45] <Tempt> more immediately useful after reading that article [17:40:54] <Tempt> blastwave.org can help you: [17:40:57] <Tempt> (from pkg-get -a) [17:40:58] <Tempt> ? [17:41:16] <Tempt> chmlib 0.38 [17:41:56] <morteng> I'll go for that. [17:42:01] <Tempt> Also there is a package for xchm, which provides a reader environment. [17:42:52] <rasputnik> trygvis: cheers - think I'll need one if I want to try getting dvorak layout [17:43:09] <rasputnik> oops baby is waking up - thanks, gotta run [17:43:11] *** rasputnik has quit IRC [17:43:50] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:53:15] <morteng> Good stuff, Tempt well to be honest I only know the pkgadd -d SFWxxx from sunfreeware and the companion CD and I am now running closed solaris 10 , please how do I install ? from here http://www.blastwave.org/packages.php/xchm [17:55:04] *** sartek has quit IRC [17:58:39] <Tempt> Go to www.blastwave.org [17:58:51] <Tempt> They have a set of instructions on how to use their pkg-get tool [17:58:57] <Tempt> pkg-get is just like apt-get, apparently. [17:59:28] *** dduvall has quit IRC [18:02:43] *** dduvall__ has joined #opensolaris [18:04:49] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [18:05:11] <morteng> Ok I have found the page, looks very good. I thank you Sir Tempt. :) [18:05:33] <Tempt> Happy to help. [18:07:03] *** derchris has quit IRC [18:07:13] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [18:07:18] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [18:07:54] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [18:09:50] *** jengelh has joined #opensolaris [18:09:56] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [18:10:01] <jengelh> phew, what was that filesystem for 9660 called again under solaris... [18:10:13] <Tempt> cd? [18:10:14] <Tempt> hsfs [18:10:25] <jengelh> thanks [18:10:26] <Tempt> high sierra file system [18:10:39] <jengelh> technically, it's not sierra anymore [18:10:51] <Tempt> What is it now? [18:11:02] <jengelh> ISO 9660 ;-) [18:11:05] <Tempt> hsfs - High Sierra & ISO 9660 CD-ROM file system [18:11:16] <jengelh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sierra_Format [18:11:18] <Tempt> either way [18:11:19] <jengelh> oh well [18:11:30] <jengelh> "The ISO 9660 standard is based on revised HSF." [18:11:33] *** jdavis has joined #opensolaris [18:11:54] <Tempt> Remember High Sierra and you'll remember the driver [18:12:03] <jengelh> it's hard [18:12:09] <jengelh> linux has iso9660, bsd has cd9660 [18:13:00] <Tempt> I think Solaris got in first. [18:13:21] <Tempt> I must admit I do like iso9660 though. [18:13:44] <jengelh> crumbs... everytime I finished a Solaris install, the next version is already out :/ [18:13:44] <coffman> wassup with sun-ssh, will it get an update or do they go to drop it for openssh? [18:13:46] <Tempt> Usually you've got vold to mount your CDs anyway. [18:13:53] <jengelh> tempt: yeah _somehow_ it's not there :) [18:14:05] <Tempt> coffman: SunSSH is based on openssh anyway. [18:14:13] <coffman> Tempt: sure [18:14:16] <jengelh> sounds like a redundant rebranding [18:14:27] <Tempt> SunSSH adds to OpenSSH. [18:14:32] <jengelh> so what package does contain vold? [18:14:59] <jdavis> I have a question about vdev_cache.c: The comment beginning "All i/os smaller than..." is confusing to me after I look at how the variables there are used. The top comment makes it look like the readahead is 128k, but VCBS looks like 64k. [18:15:14] <coffman> jengelh: uhm, you did something else the full+oem? [18:15:27] <jengelh> coffman: yeah I deselected a ton of pacakges because the install takes so really long [18:15:36] <jengelh> I don't want OOO, or any of that Java stuff. Only a console with gcc [18:15:43] <Tempt> system SUNWvolr Volume Management, (Root)system SUNWvolu Volume Management, (Usr) [18:15:51] <jengelh> nstall was like 2.1 G after I finished deselecting quickly [18:15:52] <Tempt> SUNWvolr, SUNWvolu [18:16:05] <coffman> sun forked from openssh a while ago, but atm there is some stuff missing... [18:16:13] <coffman> jengelh: bad idea [18:16:18] <jengelh> tempt: there's no /mnt/Solaris_11/Product/SUNWvolr [18:16:21] <jengelh> on the cd [18:16:41] <asyd> there is no more vold in opensolaris [18:16:58] <Tempt> What replaced vold? [18:17:03] <asyd> I don't remember the name [18:17:10] <coffman> rmvolmgr [18:17:20] <Tempt> I spend more time on Solaris than OpenSolaris. [18:17:36] <Tempt> To be honest, vold is an absolute abortion and deserves to be shot. [18:17:59] <asyd> well, it is now dead :) [18:18:15] <jengelh> opensolaris is in dire need of a package manager.. [18:18:47] <Tempt> It has one. SysV packages. [18:18:48] <coffman> jengelh: atm there is no, and you will have a hard time if you dont make a full+oem install trust me [18:18:51] *** dduvall__ has quit IRC [18:18:55] <jengelh> yeah I already see [18:19:04] <coffman> Tempt: he means that full service crap [18:19:20] <coffman> jengelh: SUNWrmvolmgr and SUNWrmvolmgrr is what you need [18:19:24] <Tempt> "Full Service" [18:19:28] <jengelh> I'm currently missing GCC [18:19:29] <Tempt> package management with a happy ending? [18:19:32] <coffman> but it might has athoer depends [18:19:37] <asyd> I'm alone here to use core install + pkgadd ? [18:19:53] <Tempt> asyd: Very likely. [18:20:04] <jengelh> ok got it.. /usr/sfw not in PATH (!) [18:20:16] <asyd> ok, the first time I spent some time, but now I have the list of packages, so it's very easy [18:20:23] <coffman> asyd: you know what you are doing... then it is oki [18:20:46] <jengelh> validting this program once for all on solaris then never bother with it again for a year [18:21:04] <coffman> ill refuse to use some package system like apt, since it is not source based [18:21:27] <jengelh> I'll refuse to anything that does not offer me the possibility to install binary packages (e.g. something quick without compilation) [18:21:49] <coffman> and maintainer tend to do shity things [18:21:58] <Tempt> Well, build from source. [18:22:00] <jengelh> then give them a beating :) [18:22:06] <coffman> jengelh: pkgadd, sysV is there [18:22:09] <Tempt> I must admit I've taken to building my own packages as a first preference. [18:22:20] <jengelh> pkgadd does not do dependencies, for one [18:22:33] <Tempt> I only use binaries when the compile job is too much hassle (eg, mplayer) [18:22:41] <jengelh> mplayer is nothing. go compile KDE. [18:23:14] <coffman> most of the bigger package system like apt suck on depends really bad [18:23:21] <Tempt> I remember KDE being an easy compile once upon a time. [18:23:26] <jengelh> that's why apt has been "replaced" by other supermanagers already [18:23:54] <asyd> pkgsrc ! [18:23:58] <coffman> aptitude, synaptic - yes, but still the maintainer... [18:24:02] <jengelh> i was thinking of smart or zypper [18:24:27] <jengelh> coffman: I'm sure Sun would only employ maintainers from Sun. [18:24:44] <jengelh> (that's the "Novell way") - so noone does anything stupid [18:25:39] <coffman> i would love to have a system that gets you both, bins and the source way, hard and soft depends, that would be nice [18:26:59] <coffman> asyd: i used pkgsrc at freebsd and dragonfly back then, i now stumble up it more and more since they got much solaris stuff going [18:27:06] <coffman> ill use pmpkg [18:27:21] <coffman> http://mtn-host.prjek.net/projects/pmpkg/ [18:28:22] <Tempt> nifty idea [18:28:39] <jengelh> so finally it's working [18:28:57] <Tempt> site is kinda empty. [18:29:48] <asyd> where is the "download" link ? :) [18:29:52] *** swmackie has quit IRC [18:29:53] <jengelh> somehow, ipv6 does not quite work [18:30:02] <coffman> http://freshmeat.net/projects/pmpkg/ [18:30:33] <asyd> interesting [18:30:36] <coffman> asyd: there are tarball releases, but in practise you want to check out from mtn [18:31:01] <coffman> its oxygene 's system [18:31:54] <jengelh> `ifconfig pcn0 fe80::41/112` - something wrong? [18:32:30] <coffman> 244 "packages" [18:32:42] <morteng> quit [18:32:51] *** morteng has quit IRC [18:32:56] <coffman> mplayer, php, mysql, gnustep etc etc [18:32:59] <asyd> ok [18:33:40] <coffman> atm it aims to build with sun studio [18:34:55] <coffman> could change if we decide to make a distro :P [18:36:38] *** dduvall__ has joined #opensolaris [18:36:41] *** dduvall__ is now known as dduvall [18:36:50] <asyd> :) [18:37:21] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [18:38:20] <coffman> its a modular script that you pass a description file [18:38:43] <coffman> but the descriptions are very clean, not like rpm/pkgbuild [18:39:16] <jengelh> `ifconfig pcn0 inet6 ff00:7777::2/120` - "Cannot assign requested address" - why does this come up? [18:39:30] <jengelh> it works if the address starts with fe80: but that's not what I want [18:39:32] <asyd> ff00 !? [18:39:47] <Tempt> anyway, goodnight all. [18:39:47] <jengelh> yeah or 3005:7777::2, anything [18:40:02] <asyd> you can't choose the IPv6 you want, there are some restrictions [18:40:29] <coffman> http://mtn-host.prjek.net/viewmtn/pmpkg/revision/file/e4cb19275dcee5d62fa07a2fa67a297e84646d78/library/qt/pkg.mk - thats the file for qt [18:40:55] <jengelh> asyd: but 3000: was free for use afair [18:41:04] <asyd> all the build system is in make ? [18:41:44] <coffman> shell script [18:42:00] <asyd> jengelh: I don't remember by heart sorry, doest it work with an ip which begin by 2001 ? [18:42:03] <asyd> ok [18:42:43] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [18:42:58] <jengelh> 2001:7777::2/120 -> cannot assign [18:43:07] <jengelh> looks like anything but FE80: is disallowed [18:44:04] <asyd> fe80 is for local scope [18:44:15] <asyd> it's not a "normal" address [18:44:55] <asyd> http://asyd.net/home/docs/solaris/ipv6 [18:46:14] <jengelh> asyd: even your sample 2001:7a8:b0cd:1::17/64 fails [18:46:42] <asyd> strange [18:47:27] <jengelh> is it because ifconfig -a lists pcn0 with "DHCP"? 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I have putty working under opensolaris [19:51:38] <WickedWicky8> and my audio is working, today is a good day [19:53:06] *** jHoNDoE has joined #opensolaris [19:55:04] *** axxl has quit IRC [19:55:57] <coffman> WickedWicky8: how about your wlan? [19:56:06] <coffman> WickedWicky8: putty? why putty? [19:57:10] <WickedWicky8> coffman: taking away another argument for coworkers not to use solaris as desktop [19:57:26] <WickedWicky8> wifi is still not working :( audio is fortunatly [20:03:59] <Pietro_S> what wifi do you have? did you try ndiswrapper? [20:04:13] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris [20:06:15] <WickedWicky8> the problem isnt driver support, the problem is the kernel not looking behind the PCI bridge on bootup [20:06:51] *** dduvall has quit IRC [20:07:23] *** alanc_work has quit IRC [20:07:24] <WickedWicky8> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6419924 [20:10:29] <coffman> WickedWicky8: uhm, there is gnome-terminal, whats wrong with it? [20:11:00] <Pietro_S> artifacts in few last builds? [20:11:01] <WickedWicky8> coffman: on the fly portforwarding [20:11:20] <WickedWicky8> Pietro_S: I tried nevada 64 and nevada 68 at the moment [20:11:48] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [20:12:37] <coffman> Pietro_S: oh yeah, i got those, but that are bugs... [20:13:33] <WickedWicky8> it has to do with the PCI express to PCI bridge [20:14:32] * WickedWicky8 opts for ISA only laptops [20:14:33] <WickedWicky8> :P [20:14:51] *** bengtf has quit IRC [20:15:02] <Pietro_S> coffman: strange on it was that I got them also in xfce-terminal, but when I recompile xfce they stayed only in gnome-terminal ... [20:15:42] <Pietro_S> I thought that PCI express and PCI are *separate* buses ... [20:16:27] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [20:16:41] <coffman> WickedWicky8: no no no, isa is the real pita [20:17:14] <coffman> Pietro_S: xfce with the pkgbuild stuff craps on me :( [20:17:29] *** tombhadAC has joined #opensolaris [20:19:02] <Pietro_S> coffman: what problem do you have with it? There are also binary package of xfce, but xfce-goodies are aviable only in compiled form [20:21:56] *** dduvall____ has joined #opensolaris [20:21:57] *** dduvall____ is now known as dduvall [20:26:34] <coffman> Pietro_S: the bins dont work for me, no desktop background, tuna does not start etc [20:27:02] <coffman> Pietro_S: and pkgbuild fails on the second package [20:27:18] <coffman> i need to redo the install of the jds build system [20:27:27] <coffman> this time in a zone for sure [20:28:39] <tomww> coffman: this was a wakup for me: "Pietro_S: and pkgbuild fails on the second package" [20:30:37] <coffman> tomww: yes? :P [20:30:50] <coffman> http://www.bildschirmarbeiter.com/fun_10654_prost.html [20:31:33] <Pietro_S> coffman: are you using latest jds-cbe? or do you have any other specialities on your machine? [20:32:12] <coffman> Pietro_S: was the latest thing, i gues there is something wrong with the path etc [20:33:54] <coffman> ill look it up [20:34:55] <Pietro_S> coffman: I'll be afk for hour, but then I'll have `free` time so I can look on it ;-) [20:34:58] <coffman> OSOLgtk-xfce-engine fails [20:35:07] <coffman> Pietro_S: that would be nice [20:36:17] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [20:36:19] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [20:37:05] <Pietro_S> pastle somewhere logs - for pkgtool and for pkgbuild of problem package [20:37:16] <coffman> OSOLgtk-xfce-engine [20:37:18] <coffman> aeh [20:37:31] <coffman> http://rafb.net/p/oKMs4W47.html [20:38:52] *** dduvall has quit IRC [20:38:59] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [20:39:04] *** dduvall____ has joined #opensolaris [20:39:06] *** dduvall____ is now known as dduvall [20:39:37] <Pietro_S> ah you *probably* have wrong path for compilers [20:39:46] <Pietro_S> cbe ask on such path when installing [20:40:55] <coffman> http://rafb.net/p/yggPGq35.html [20:41:02] <coffman> config.log [20:41:49] <tomww> error: C compiler cannot create executables [20:41:55] <coffman> yeah [20:42:22] <coffman> studio 12 should not be the problem or? [20:42:25] <tomww> I've seen this often, when the spec-file is made for the other compiler, e.g. flags for sunstudio but gcc comes into the path [20:42:36] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [20:42:38] *** sparvu has joined #opensolaris [20:42:44] <tomww> id cbe initialized by sourcing /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh ? [20:43:15] <tomww> if studio12 comes into use... [20:44:05] <sparvu> hi all [20:47:50] *** dduvall____ has joined #opensolaris [20:47:51] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [20:47:55] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [20:48:33] <jengelh> Do I actually need D_NEW for a 'struct cb_ops->cb_flag'? [20:48:47] <jengelh> s/for/in [20:51:20] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [20:51:30] <tomww> gcc4 compiling is a lenghty task... [20:51:51] <wesolows> jengelh: Since its value is 0, no. But it's correct practice to include it. [20:51:54] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [20:52:17] <jengelh> what does D_NEW mean, anyway? [20:52:43] *** dduvall has quit IRC [20:53:02] <wesolows> It means not _D_OLD :-) [20:53:36] <wesolows> Apparently _D_OLD used to have some other name and has been renamed but retained to support those modules. [20:54:02] <wesolows> And it seems to have meaning onlyfor STREAMS modules - look at common/os/strsubr.c:devflg_to_qflag(). [20:54:03] <jengelh> I mean, what makes a driver "old" or "new"? [20:54:13] <jengelh> ah ok [20:54:27] <wesolows> Actually...looks like _D_OLD drivers are no longer supported at all. [20:54:41] <wesolows> So _D_OLD means "make my STREAMS driver not work" [20:54:53] <tomww> coffman: seems to me that xfce should build with sunstuio instead of gcc, some patches named *fixgccism*. [20:55:08] <wesolows> You'll have to poke around old ARC cases if you want to know what this flag used to be for. I don't know. [20:55:11] <Pietro_S> coffman: studio 12 is not problem [20:55:58] <tomww> coffman: if sunstido12 is in /opt/SUNWspro/bin and after sourcing . /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh this should bring sunstudio12 in front of gcc and xfce should compile with cc/CC [20:57:07] <Pietro_S> coffman: what shell do you use? c shell and others moster have another env files ... [20:57:42] <coffman> zsh [20:58:13] <wesolows> jengelh: The short answer is that all drivers today are "new" and there is exactly that one style supported. At some time in the future, it might occur that some other style is supported, and the value of D_NEW will change. That's ok, of course, because we'll also have some _D_OLDNEW that then maps to the current value of D_NEW and lets the DDI/DKI know that your binary module needs to be treated differently. But you should still use D_NEW [20:58:39] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [20:58:45] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [20:58:47] *** dduvall_____ is now known as dduvall [20:58:49] <wesolows> This is how ABI compatibility is achieved. [20:58:56] <jengelh> yeah I can see the mess :) [20:58:59] <wesolows> ...without forcing stagnation on us. [20:59:12] <Pietro_S> ah that could be problem, try bash and ". /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh" [21:00:15] <wesolows> jengelh: Well, it can get a bit messy, yes, but the idea is that API consumers don't need to worry about any of it, only the kernel itself. Make life good for developers and customers... [21:00:29] <jengelh> life seems good in linuxland :) [21:00:35] <Pietro_S> other shell should work also, but I use only bash (a bit tuned) so I don't have experiences with them [21:00:50] <jengelh> one thing amazes me - sun exists much longer than microsoft and their kernel interface has not even remotely as much cruft as ms [21:01:49] <jengelh> wesolows: btw I cannot add any non-fe80:: ipv6 address to the system, any idea? [21:03:40] <wesolows> Nope, I know zilch about IPv6. [21:04:37] *** kloczek has quit IRC [21:05:38] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris [21:07:18] <coffman> sucks [21:07:47] <coffman> http://rafb.net/p/juLBEA33.html [21:08:09] <coffman> now it fails on OSOLgamin with the right compiler [21:09:54] *** dduvall____ has quit IRC [21:10:54] <Pietro_S> when you compile it under bash, right? [21:12:13] <coffman> yes, path all right set and so [21:14:32] <Pietro_S> CC -V tells you what? [21:14:43] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [21:15:08] <coffman> "CC: Sun C++ 5.9 SunOS_i386 2007/05/03" [21:15:34] *** dduvall has quit IRC [21:16:23] <coffman> hm [21:16:24] <Pietro_S> same as mine so that should work [21:18:35] *** g4lt-lappy has joined #opensolaris [21:19:20] *** Murmuria has left #opensolaris [21:20:33] <coffman> "pkgbuild: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" gar thats so wrong [21:20:53] *** theRealballchalk has left #opensolaris [21:22:00] <Pietro_S> I run it on my machine right now and it's wiithout any problems, right now comparing logs ... [21:22:15] <Pietro_S> do you building it from CBE or zone? [21:22:23] <Pietro_S> s/CBE/CDE [21:22:59] <coffman> global zone, gnome [21:23:23] *** sioraiocht has left #opensolaris [21:23:28] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [21:23:29] *** sioraiocht has left #opensolaris [21:23:38] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [21:24:06] <tomww> coffman: another idea, are there older xfce packages already compiled with the other (gcc) compiler? maybe removing them (including *-devel) and comipling with sunstudio-cc might be worth a try. [21:25:16] <Pietro_S> can you try it from CDE? There were some bugs when you compile it from gnome, but I thought it was resolved, but that's for next time this error doesn't have link with gnome [21:26:12] <Pietro_S> oops, I should read my message before enter - to exclude such bullshit [21:26:19] <g4lt-lappy> anyone got experience with U5's in linsux? I got a tough nut to crack in #sparc [21:26:30] <jengelh> g4lt-lappy: like? [21:27:01] <coffman> tomww: all removed before [21:27:05] <g4lt-lappy> like garbage crharacters on the console [21:27:15] <jengelh> g4lt-lappy: see if #aurora is awake [21:27:25] <g4lt-lappy> troo [21:27:45] <coffman> but the error seems to be the compiler, strange fuck [21:27:49] <Pietro_S> can you post output of " . /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh" [21:28:39] <Pietro_S> coffman: did you installed jds-cbe *after* studio 12? [21:28:42] *** rasputnik has joined #opensolaris [21:29:54] <coffman> http://rafb.net/p/RQIRXl54.html [21:30:02] <g4lt-lappy> jengelh, apparently that's a no [21:30:14] <coffman> Pietro_S: *shrug* [21:31:18] *** dwc has quit IRC [21:31:24] *** dwc_ has joined #opensolaris [21:31:53] *** dduvall_____ has quit IRC [21:33:35] <Pietro_S> coffman: also post ~/packages/BUILD/OSOLgamin-0.1.8/i386/gamin-0.1.8/config.log - i hope that such path is valid for your system [21:36:34] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [21:41:53] <coffman> Pietro_S: http://rafb.net/p/kzryfB88.html [21:46:21] *** seanmcg has joined #opensolaris [21:46:26] <Pietro_S> CC: Warning: Option -xstrconst passed to ld, if ld is invoked, ignored otherwise [21:46:29] <Pietro_S> CC: Warning: Option -xpentium passed to ld, if ld is invoked, ignored otherwise [21:46:42] <Pietro_S> and others lines are strange [21:46:54] <coffman> yes [21:47:06] *** Symmetria has joined #opensolaris [21:47:25] <Pietro_S> you have i386 machine, right? [21:49:18] <coffman> x64 [21:50:30] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [21:51:08] <coffman> Pietro_S: fisrt and only time i ran in such problems [21:51:59] <Pietro_S> coffman: me too [21:53:18] <Pietro_S> can you create helloword.c and try it compile with such flags? /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -i -xO4 -xspace -xstrconst -xpentium -mr -x [21:53:27] <Pietro_S> regs=no%frameptr -Wl,-zignore -Wl,-zcombreloc -Wl,-Bdirect helloword.c [21:54:45] <Pietro_S> do you ahve also other version of studio laying around? [21:55:15] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [21:58:54] *** fedorared has joined #opensolaris [21:59:59] <Pietro_S> also ls -l /opt/SUNWspro/bin/CC and ls -l /opt/SUNWspro/prod/bin/CC (this is where the first link point here) [22:01:40] <CIA-26> mg147109: 6510526 Solaris grub, fdisk and Windows vista bootloader will not go together. (fix cstyle/lint) [22:02:58] <coffman> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jul 12 11:55 /opt/SUNWspro/bin/CC -> ../prod/bin/CC [22:03:48] *** Red_Cloud has quit IRC [22:06:40] <coffman> Pietro_S: cc: Warning: illegal option -x [22:06:40] <coffman> ld: fatal: file regs=no%frameptr: open failed: No such file or directory [22:06:46] <coffman> ld: fatal: File processing errors. No output written to a.out [22:07:42] <coffman> sec, that one is better [22:08:21] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [22:08:23] *** dduvall_____ is now known as dduvall [22:08:33] <coffman> Pietro_S: /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -i -xO4 -xspace -xstrconst -xpentium -mr -x regs=no%frameptr -Wl,-zignore -Wl,-zcombreloc -Wl,-Bdirect helloworld.c [22:08:36] <coffman> cc: Warning: illegal option -x [22:08:39] <coffman> ld: fatal: file regs=no%frameptr: open failed: No such file or directory [22:08:41] <coffman> arg [22:08:56] <richlowe> typing better may help there. ;) [22:08:57] <coffman> Pietro_S: http://rafb.net/p/I4xXjd73.html [22:09:22] <richlowe> plus, omitting the frame pointer is evil, just say no. [22:09:29] <coffman> richlowe: no, paste in gnome-terminal is broken, hotkey wont work [22:10:17] <seanmcg> coffman: try the cc command again without a space between -x and regs :) [22:12:48] *** Red_Cloud has joined #opensolaris [22:12:50] <coffman> seanmcg: same shit http://rafb.net/p/ObkHaH19.html [22:13:32] <seanmcg> but with cc it should work. i.e. not the CC c++ compiler right ? [22:17:57] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [22:21:03] <seanmcg> maybe worth asking on the tools list why the c++ compiler doesn't take the same flags (these ones anyway) as the c compiler ? [22:22:25] <Pietro_S> seanmcg: sess [22:22:55] <coffman> seanmcg: yep, cc works [22:23:18] *** Red_Cloud has left #opensolaris [22:24:56] <seanmcg> so why the -xpentium flag ? You're on a x64 box.. [22:25:51] <Pietro_S> ahh, env.sh is somehow broken it link all compilers to CC insted diverce btw. cc and CC [22:26:10] <coffman> seanmcg: that was not the problem :P [22:26:40] <Pietro_S> coffman: probably is, because my env.sh doesn't do it [22:27:03] *** iMax_ has joined #opensolaris [22:27:16] * seanmcg stays away now, not knowing the context [22:29:28] <Pietro_S> take look on this: http://rafb.net/p/BjIbY673.html [22:31:00] <coffman> Pietro_S: oh, seem like we nailed it [22:31:16] <Pietro_S> and sry for my mistake, I didn't see difference btw. CC cc ... [22:31:32] <Pietro_S> we should located it ages ago ;-) [22:32:09] <coffman> :P [22:33:04] *** iMax_ has quit IRC [22:33:23] *** iMax has quit IRC [22:33:45] *** iMax has joined #opensolaris [22:35:51] <coffman> Pietro_S: ill do a clean cbe setup [22:36:43] <Pietro_S> I would reinstall jds-cbe, the safest is to build it ... but binaries *should* work in all cases ;-) [22:37:11] *** dduvall has quit IRC [22:38:09] <coffman> Pietro_S: as i said, instead of a background i had the output of random bitmaps from graphic memory [22:39:06] <Pietro_S> I meant cbe installation - you can use prebuilded binaries or source code [22:39:43] <Pietro_S> and for example on Solaris 10 you can only built it yourself, binaries are useless ... [22:42:03] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [22:42:04] *** dduvall_____ is now known as dduvall [22:44:30] <coffman> Pietro_S: builds now [22:45:06] <coffman> Pietro_S: thx dude [22:45:35] <coffman> thx seanmcg tomww [22:49:27] <Pietro_S> coffman: you are welcome and don't forget to build xfce-goodies as well ;-) [22:51:12] <coffman> i will, hope it works out, cant wait to reclaim my ram :P [22:52:02] *** fedorared has quit IRC [22:52:27] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:52:48] <coffman> i might as well rip the whole thing out of the gribs of the cbe system and put it into pmpkg [22:59:10] *** dduvall has quit IRC [22:59:34] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [22:59:35] *** dduvall_____ is now known as dduvall [23:03:40] *** rasputnik has quit IRC [23:04:06] *** rasputnik has joined #opensolaris [23:04:51] *** cla has quit IRC [23:07:11] *** Nishaway has quit IRC [23:11:09] *** rasputnik has quit IRC [23:18:47] *** cla has joined #opensolaris [23:22:27] <WickedWicky8> night all [23:22:33] *** WickedWicky8 has quit IRC [23:27:09] *** dduvall has quit IRC [23:28:21] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [23:31:23] *** dduvall_____ has joined #opensolaris [23:31:23] *** dduvall_____ is now known as dduvall [23:34:01] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [23:35:22] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [23:40:15] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris [23:45:54] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris [23:49:02] <coffman> ah nice [23:49:06] <coffman> xfce is done [23:49:25] *** TomJ_ has quit IRC [23:49:37] *** alanc_work has joined #opensolaris [23:49:41] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [23:55:35] <tomww> coffman: build with the jdsbld/CBE environment and the sunstudio-compiler? [23:55:49] <coffman> tomww: yep [23:56:19] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [23:57:19] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [23:57:39] <tomww> cool :-) [23:58:11] <coffman> tomww: 150mb more memory [23:58:33] *** Jondice has quit IRC [23:59:09] *** afaict has joined #opensolaris [23:59:12] <afaict> hi folks! [23:59:17] <afaict> i have a problem...