July 14, 2007 
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July 14, 2007 [00:00:31] <CIA-26> mg147109: 6510526 Solaris grub, fdisk and Windows vista bootloader will not go together. [00:02:36] <trygvis> anyone know how I can force the ehci driver to support usb2 devices? [00:03:33] <stevel> trygvis: do you have a VIA chipset? [00:03:36] <hohum> trygvis: you can try grouding it or giving it a stern talking to [00:04:07] <trygvis> dunno which chipset it has, it is an add-on card I got today [00:04:12] <trygvis> let me prtconf [00:06:08] *** FireflyS1 has quit IRC [00:06:33] *** Atomdrache has quit IRC [00:07:09] <trygvis> ok, how can I tell? the device only say: 'Universal Serial Bus UHCI compliant' [00:07:25] <trygvis> (I think that is the correct device, it has two internal usb1 ports [00:07:26] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [00:08:35] <trygvis> hm, got this too: 'Universal Serial Bus EHCI compliant' [00:09:16] <Trisk[laptop]> trygvis: EHCI only supports USB 2.0, I don't know what you mean by "force" [00:09:53] <Trisk[laptop]> or do you mean the driver isn't being attached? [00:09:57] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/p/nrePld80.html [00:11:08] <Trisk[laptop]> trygvis: the instructions are in the manpage, like it says [00:12:11] <trygvis> yeah, and those didn't work, so I'm asking in here [00:13:38] <trygvis> it has a via chipset, said to on the box [00:14:14] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [00:14:33] <Trisk[laptop]> trygvis: did you get its PCI ID from prtconf or scanpci and added that? [00:15:12] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [00:15:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [00:15:15] *** bengtf has quit IRC [00:15:36] <nrubsig> Does anyone here have time to test a binary, please ? [00:15:42] * nrubsig looks at stevel ... [00:15:52] <trygvis> yep, but I'm not sure which one of those IDs to use so I just took the same as in the man page (which was returned after the grep) [00:16:10] * nrubsig watches stevel grabbing an axe and waving with it to scare nrubsig off... [00:19:00] *** Gropi has quit IRC [00:20:09] *** Reidms-mactel has joined #opensolaris [00:20:28] <Reidms-mactel> Where can I get the SXCE 68 SPARC torrent? [00:20:48] *** Reidms-mactel is now known as Reidms-420R [00:20:49] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [00:21:00] <nrubsig> Reidms-420R: officially there is no torrent [00:21:35] *** mega has quit IRC [00:21:41] <e^ipi> there are non-redistributable bits in SXCE [00:22:01] <Reidms-420R> How clogged are the servers then? [00:22:04] <e^ipi> so there won't be any torrents through legal channels [00:22:20] <nrubsig> Reidms-420R: usually download performance is acceptable. [00:22:28] <Reidms-420R> Cool then [00:22:33] <nrubsig> Reidms-420R: it saturates by DSL16000 [00:22:37] <nrubsig> s/by/my/ [00:23:19] <alanc> think the official Sun download site is Akamai-ed for better download performance [00:23:28] <Reidms-420R> My down is the top of the line cable package and its only 300kbs down(fscking county) [00:23:32] <Reidms-420R> country [00:24:07] <nrubsig> alanc: depends... there are lots of things which are faster than Akamai... [00:24:18] <Reidms-420R> I not impatient- I just have a presentation to do on it [00:24:23] <alanc> didn't say it was the best, just better than it would be without it [00:24:30] <oninoshiko> Reidms-420R : Im on dialup at home, dont complain [00:25:17] <Reidms-420R> lol oninoshiko I had dial up for a few years [00:25:18] * alanc carries his opteron back to the lab for further surgery [00:25:28] *** trisk__ has joined #opensolaris [00:27:49] <oninoshiko> stupid liveing where there is not cable and away from a telco station [00:28:38] <e^ipi> Is it still the case that it's generally cheaper to pay akamai for bandwidth than it is to pay for the bandwidth yourself [00:28:56] <e^ipi> assuming you're a small company that doesn't own as much infrastructure as they do [00:30:25] <trygvis> Trisk[laptop]: a reboot did the trick [00:30:48] <Reidms-420R> Just got my line re-laid [00:30:53] <nrubsig> gdamore: ping! [00:31:03] <Reidms-420R> gave me another ~20kbs per second :P [00:33:02] * iron_angel is trying to figure out what the magic is with making the SXCE B67 DVD boot right... [00:33:23] <iron_angel> Do the Toshiba DVD-ROMs shipped in Ultras tend to have issues with DVD-Rs? [00:33:52] *** Trisk[laptop] has quit IRC [00:34:04] <Reidms-420R> Yes [00:34:18] <Reidms-420R> Toshiba is notorius [00:34:39] <Reidms-420R> notorious [00:34:46] <iron_angel> Ah, well that could be it then. [00:34:47] <CSFrost> that would be why there was a firmware update/ [00:34:48] <Reidms-420R> this 420R has a Toshiba [00:34:58] <iron_angel> As do my U2, U60 and U80. [00:35:18] <Reidms-420R> Without the firmware updtes it can not boot anthing 3.8gb> [00:35:20] <iron_angel> CSFrost: hmmm... Does SunSolve have that? [00:35:38] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [00:35:44] <Reidms-420R> Yes [00:36:14] <Reidms-420R> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=urn:cds:docid:1-21-111649-04-1 [00:36:29] <iron_angel> oh, cool [00:37:11] <Reidms-420R> Thought the problem was mainly with U80/420R [00:37:16] <Reidms-420R> and few 220Rs [00:37:55] <iron_angel> Well, since 220R==Ultra 60, for all intents and purposes, that makes sense. [00:38:11] <iron_angel> And the drive in the U2 came out of a U60. [00:43:39] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [00:54:17] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [00:55:17] *** FireflyS1 has joined #OpenSolaris [00:55:20] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [01:00:30] <CIA-26> pawelw: 6575990 sata module may panic system when sata port is deactivated [01:02:24] *** iron_angel has quit IRC [01:04:41] *** pfa3rh has quit IRC [01:09:37] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris [01:10:49] *** Lusitanian has joined #opensolaris [01:12:57] *** bengtf has quit IRC [01:14:05] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [01:17:19] <oninoshiko> hrm... never hit that one [01:20:05] *** ircminer03 has quit IRC [01:20:27] *** ircminer03 has joined #opensolaris [01:23:31] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris [01:24:34] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [01:25:01] *** jhawk has quit IRC [01:26:45] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris [01:27:33] *** Trisk[laptop] is now known as Triskelios [01:28:56] <Triskelios> is the xorg intel 2.0.0 DDX driver available in some prebuilt form anywhere? the SXDE FAQ mentions it (sorry if this is a repeat, my connection dropped) [01:30:36] <asyd> pff [01:30:45] <asyd> I need to launch asyd summer of code [01:30:48] <asyd> but I don't have money [01:32:03] *** Netwolf has quit IRC [01:34:46] *** Fish has quit IRC [01:35:00] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [01:35:16] *** trisk__ has quit IRC [01:42:35] <Reidms-420R> Its dvd right iron_angel? [01:44:58] <CSFrost> that's what she had said. [01:45:46] <CSFrost> I hope I am using the correct gender also.. heh [01:46:39] <CSFrost> Tempt, if you wake up today, I sent you a pm. [01:46:48] *** SirFunk has joined #opensolaris [01:49:21] *** nostoi has quit IRC [01:51:06] *** bubbva has quit IRC [01:52:05] *** palowoda has quit IRC [01:53:36] <Reidms-420R> I think its a male [01:55:18] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris [01:56:03] <Reidms-420R> that came out wrong lol [01:56:14] <Reidms-420R> I think they are a male [01:57:02] <asyd> "they" ? :p [01:57:03] *** palowoda has joined #opensolaris [01:57:08] <stevel> the plural is a singular [01:57:09] <stevel> :-) [01:59:06] <e^ipi> depends whether you prefer to take a descriptive or prescriptive view on grammar [01:59:47] <e^ipi> "they" has become a commonly used neuter pronoun [02:02:11] *** mega_ has quit IRC [02:05:43] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [02:08:41] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [02:09:56] <Tempt> Morning all. [02:14:26] *** NikolaVeber has quit IRC [02:15:07] *** tcc has quit IRC [02:16:02] *** Reidms-420R has quit IRC [02:19:51] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [02:20:30] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [02:22:24] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [02:26:08] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [02:28:21] *** perlmonk has joined #opensolaris [02:33:02] <gdamore> nrubsig: you pinged? [02:34:11] <nrubsig> gdamore: yes... but that ping timed out. [02:34:22] <gdamore> heh. i had to go to the bank. [02:34:35] <nrubsig> I needed a victim to test the new ksh93-integration binary tarballs. [02:35:07] <gdamore> i'm not a good chocie. [02:35:07] <nrubsig> stupid question: is it wise to stuff the easter-eggs into a release annoucement ? [02:35:09] <gdamore> choice even [02:35:18] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [02:35:38] <gdamore> i wouldn't think so.... i'd aim for as simple an announcement as possible. but that's just me. [02:38:43] * dlg agree with gdamore [02:41:43] *** palmerandyc has joined #opensolaris [02:43:01] *** palmerandyc has left #opensolaris [02:45:12] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:46:05] * dlg happy with sun today [02:47:54] <e^ipi> pourquois? [02:49:13] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [02:49:50] *** Lusitanian has quit IRC [02:50:21] <Tempt> The whole thing is a complete mess. [02:50:28] <Tempt> Argh, wrong window. [02:51:26] *** swmackie has joined #opensolaris [02:55:01] *** comay has quit IRC [03:00:39] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [03:06:06] <SYS64738> Tempt, what's the time overthere ? [03:06:13] <Tempt> 11:06AM [03:06:24] <SYS64738> cool [03:07:21] <SYS64738> Tempt, have yoy ever played with web proxy server + directory server ? [03:07:24] <SYS64738> you [03:07:52] <Tempt> Sun's? [03:07:53] <Tempt> Sure. [03:07:55] <Tempt> Web and proxy. [03:07:58] <Tempt> I was very happy. [03:08:23] <SYS64738> java web proxy server [03:08:35] <SYS64738> the sun answer to squid [03:08:48] <Tempt> That's the one. [03:08:51] <Tempt> It works quite nicely. [03:09:02] <SYS64738> I must try it [03:12:41] <SYS64738> is it difficult to make the proxy use m$ activer directory users trough directory server ? [03:13:27] <CSFrost> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071202356.html [03:13:33] <CSFrost> wierd.. [03:14:09] <SYS64738> the gui for web proxy seems very cool [03:15:16] *** Trisk[laptop] has joined #opensolaris [03:15:57] <e^ipi> ugh... gui [03:16:13] <e^ipi> smit is the only gui i've used that doesn't offend my better sensibilities [03:19:35] *** swmackie has quit IRC [03:19:49] *** hohum has quit IRC [03:22:12] <nrubsig> anyone having access to the admin queue for opensolaris-announce at opensolaris dot org ? [03:22:57] <wesolows> Why is anyone using opensolaris-announce? [03:23:02] *** geekbr has joined #opensolaris [03:23:17] <wesolows> Only things like new community group creation and other global stuff goes there. [03:23:45] <geekbr> hey .. sameone know the minimal configuration to install the open solaris on X86 ? [03:23:48] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [03:24:19] <wesolows> geekbr: depends on the distribution, but generally 256MB RAM (the SX installer needs 512, the SXDE installer needs 768). [03:24:38] *** polk__ has quit IRC [03:24:51] <geekbr> wesolows: what's Sx and SXDE ? [03:24:54] <nrubsig> wesolows: why shouldn't it be used ? there aren't that many annoucements right now and even little steps (=annoucements) are better than none. It gives the people the feeling that something is done. [03:25:03] <geekbr> SXDE = X and kde yeap ? [03:25:13] <wesolows> geekbr: SX is Solaris Express. SXDE is Solaris Express Developer Edition. Those are two related Sun distributions of OpenSolaris. [03:25:17] <nrubsig> wesolows: see powerpc project where the community is not "fed" with annoucements. [03:25:30] <wesolows> Both include X and GNOME, neither includes KDE (though that's on the Companion). [03:25:57] <geekbr> h00 .. why too much ram ? [03:26:13] <wesolows> nrubsig: New project announcements are supposed to go to projects-announce; milestone announcements from existing projects to the specific project's and/or sponsoring CGs' lists. [03:26:22] <wesolows> nrubsig: At least, that's what I remember we decided. [03:26:23] <geekbr> i have free bsd and linux install using less memory [03:26:34] <nrubsig> wesolows: this is not a new project annoucements. [03:26:34] <wesolows> nrubsig: Perhaps Gman or alanc or stevel remembers differently. [03:27:03] <wesolows> geekbr: Well, I can install DR-DOS 6 in 512k; so what? [03:27:24] * nrubsig can install AmigaOS1.0 in 256MB [03:27:29] <nrubsig> er [03:27:30] <nrubsig> KB [03:27:31] <nrubsig> sorry [03:27:34] <wesolows> geekbr: As I noted, the installers tend to require far more memory than actually running the system. In both cases, the big consumer is the GRUB boot archive. [03:27:37] <e^ipi> research unix v5 took up a couple kb [03:27:48] [03:27:57] <wesolows> The locale data in the installers also eats a lot. [03:28:13] <wesolows> Non-Sun installers may (or may not) have a much lower footprint. [03:28:36] <geekbr> wesolows: GRUB boot archive= the kernel ? [03:28:51] <nrubsig> stop using a J2SE-based java installer would help. [03:29:06] <e^ipi> geekbr, if you're used to linux... it's like initrd [03:29:14] <nrubsig> wesolows: why had noone the idea to port J2ME to SPARC yet ? [03:29:26] <wesolows> geekbr: It's a temporary root filesystem that's used only during booting - it's loaded into unpageable RAM. [03:29:45] <wesolows> geekbr: It contains the kernel and modules and a few other things - the miniroot used by the installer contains still more. [03:29:52] <nrubsig> (J2ME=Java 2 Mobile/Micro Edition, e.g. the VM fits easily in 16MB) [03:30:13] <wesolows> nrubsig: Because the smallest SPARC system weighs 10 kilos and ships with a minimum of 1GB RAM? [03:30:17] <jbk> is solaris 8 the oldest solaris release the 1.4.2 (or newer) jvm's support? [03:31:11] <nrubsig> wesolows: AFAIK Ultra5 is still supported and it is maxed out at 512MB [03:31:25] <jbk> i only ask because i wonder why they're not at least linking w/ libmtmalloc [03:33:14] *** Trisk[laptop] has quit IRC [03:34:53] <wesolows> nrubsig: U5 has been EOL for years, though it's not yet EOS. [03:34:56] <sommerfeld> wesolows: tadpole sparcle is more like 7-8 lbs [03:35:50] <wesolows> sommerfeld: Well, true - and there was Voyager too. But those machines are far too old to run any recent OS. I doubt anyone would port J2ME to 2.5.1. [03:36:07] <e^ipi> sommerfeld, it's like a laptop from the early 90's [03:36:37] <sommerfeld> no, there's sparcle support in nevada [03:36:38] <nrubsig> wesolows: my point is that I think the installer would be much faster by switching the Java VM from J2SE to J2ME [03:37:16] <wesolows> nrubsig: It might be, but that kind of begs the question: why the hell is that thing written in Java at all? [03:38:21] <Tempt> The install could be quite easily rebuild to run in bugger-all RAM. [03:38:22] <wesolows> Hmm, when I read "sparcle" I think of the little-endian SPARCs that were made in the early 90s. And when I read Tadpole I think of machines like the 3GX from the same era (though I thought those were big-endian and ran Solaris). I guess you're talking about current hardware though. [03:38:55] <Tempt> Keep it console mode and don't create big ramdisks. [03:39:04] <wesolows> Tempt: The boot archive is a huge problem. [03:39:09] <sommerfeld> yah. there are Ultrasparc IIe and IIIi-based tadpoles. [03:39:20] <geekbr> wesolows: i whaching the install video, very damn interesting [03:39:26] <wesolows> Tempt: The installer (userland stuff) could be shrunk greatly, but it's very hard to make miniroots smaller than about 150MB. [03:39:30] <Tempt> wesolows [03:39:37] <Tempt> wesolows: There must be a way around this. [03:39:52] <e^ipi> why would they make a little endian sparc? [03:40:02] <wesolows> Tempt: I've been thinking about that off and on lately - that the boot archive is the wrong way to go. But I haven't done enough work to know if there's a better way. [03:40:13] <sommerfeld> e^ipi: the same reason they made little endian powerpc and mips [03:40:22] <wesolows> to run NT. [03:40:25] <sommerfeld> sparcle is big-endian [03:40:33] <sommerfeld> and PA-RISC, even [03:40:44] <e^ipi> well that's silly [03:41:01] <wesolows> e^ipi: Everyone agrees on that now. [03:41:21] <wesolows> e^ipi: Back then a few people thought that (a) non-x86 CPUs had a bright future and (b) NT would rule the world. [03:41:26] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: UltraSPARC can AFAIK be little-endian, too. [03:41:38] <sommerfeld> it's not that they built chips that only ran little-endian, it's that they started building in an endian mode bit [03:45:09] <sommerfeld> the little-endian SPARC ASI is still used in MD5 code [03:46:43] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [03:46:47] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [03:46:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [03:46:51] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: I am wondering whether QEmu could use this... [03:48:13] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [03:48:33] *** jamesd has quit IRC [03:51:18] *** geekbr has left #opensolaris [03:51:29] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [03:51:47] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: see the sparcv9 architecture manual, usr/src/common/crypto/md5/sparc/sun4{u,v}/byteswap.il, and .../common/crypto/md5/md5_byteswap.h [03:52:48] <nrubsig> Is Gman still around ? [03:53:06] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: Thanks! :-) [03:53:36] <Tempt> hmmm [03:53:43] <Tempt> Jul 14 11:26:14 taco dsvclockd[15090]: [ID 569573 daemon.warning] process exited while reading `/var/dhcp/SUNWbinfiles1_10.0.0.0'; unlocking [03:53:46] <Tempt> Ideas, anyone? [03:54:44] <sommerfeld> dhcp server crashed? [03:54:51] <Tempt> Hmmm [03:55:06] <Tempt> I restarted it but it still occasionally spits this message out. [03:55:43] <sommerfeld> that's a door-based lock manager which mediates access to the files backing the DHCP service [03:56:00] <nrubsig> Tempt: sounds like a successfull attack of the menphis worm... [03:56:21] <Tempt> menphis worm? [03:56:26] <nrubsig> grumpf [03:56:48] <wesolows> google knows nothing about that worm [03:56:49] <Tempt> Tell the story then... [03:56:50] <nrubsig> Tempt: I hoped you start yelling "heeeeeeellp" or "what ? Oh my god, I am looooossse" [03:57:03] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: not a good time for jokes [03:57:13] <wesolows> yeah, that's not really funny [03:57:14] <nrubsig> wesolows: I am just trying to scare Tempt ... somehow it doens't work... [03:57:17] <Tempt> Save that one for the kiddies. [03:57:22] * nrubsig hides [03:57:22] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: please don't [03:58:58] * nrubsig hides deeper under his desk... [03:58:59] <sommerfeld> Tempt: the guy who wrote dsvclockd sits near me. [03:59:04] <Tempt> So, apart from nrubsig's fistful of fail, anyone got an idea? [03:59:32] <Tempt> I've already tried kicking dhcp in the guts. [03:59:39] <sommerfeld> he says that both in.dhcpd and the dhcp admin utilities access this file -- that message indicates that one of them crashed or exited uncleanly while holding a lock [04:00:12] <sommerfeld> enable global core dumps with coreadm and check for core files the next time [04:00:12] <Tempt> Cool. [04:00:19] <Tempt> I'll take a look-see. [04:00:42] <sommerfeld> basically the message means "I saved you from deadlock due to a disappeared lock holder" [04:01:12] <nrubsig> Tempt: $ mkdir /var/core ; coreadm -g /var/core/core.%f.%p -e global -e process -e log -e global-setid [04:01:40] <nrubsig> Tempt: that enabled coreadm and puts all coredumps into /var/core/ and an entry into /var/adm/messages [04:01:43] <Tempt> nrubsig: I don't need a lesson in sysadmin-101, thanks. [04:01:54] * nrubsig hides from Tempt's wrath [04:02:31] <Tempt> sommerfeld: Thanks, and thank your co-worker for me. [04:02:59] <sommerfeld> (kill -9 of a lock holder would be another thing that could provoke this..) [04:04:40] <sommerfeld> see also: http://blogs.sun.com/meem/date/20050614 [04:05:55] *** cypromis has quit IRC [04:06:21] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [04:10:02] *** alobbs has quit IRC [04:10:02] *** aruiz has quit IRC [04:10:24] *** cypromis has quit IRC [04:10:25] *** aruiz has joined #opensolaris [04:10:28] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [04:10:38] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [04:11:34] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [04:12:42] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [04:13:53] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [04:15:29] *** cypromis has quit IRC [04:17:42] *** sfire||mouse_ has joined #opensolaris [04:17:45] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [04:21:27] *** sfire||mouse_ has quit IRC [04:21:37] *** sfire||mouse has joined #opensolaris [04:21:44] *** sfire||mouse has quit IRC [04:35:06] *** Yamazaki-kun has joined #opensolaris [04:51:09] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [04:51:13] * lloy0076 ponders [04:51:43] <lloy0076> It strikes me that it wouldn't be impossible to "make" a Solaris kernel actually run something that felt like Linux... [04:52:08] <lloy0076> (i.e. throw the Linux kernel out from a Fedora distribution, fiddle a huge lot and suddenly come up with Fedora running on a Solaris kernel) [04:52:35] <jbk> isn't that kinda what one of the other opensolaris distros essentially does? [04:52:51] <jbk> I mean basically gnu userland + packaging? [04:52:53] <lloy0076> Not really. [04:53:02] <Tempt> It would be easy. [04:53:04] <lloy0076> Nexenta is GNU userland with a Solaris mentality. [04:53:22] <Tempt> It'd take more effort to rebuild basic commands to feel more like linux (eg, ifconfig) [04:53:33] <lloy0076> Tempt: Yeah, that's what I'd be thinking... [04:53:42] <lloy0076> But then again, the GNU source code is probably open source :P [04:53:48] <Tempt> a linux-like ifconfig would deal with all those "wah, where's my network interface, wah" situations [04:54:18] <lloy0076> There are some things in the GNU toolkit that are useful. [04:55:08] <lloy0076> (eg: it's GNU tar format might be *broken* but not having to do gunzip -c | tar -xvf - is a lazy, but cool shortcut -- and I notice that even Solaris itself is aiming to replace its tar with star which has these kinds of shortcuts and more) [04:55:23] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [04:55:32] <lloy0076> heh [04:55:49] <lloy0076> I had one of the Linux admins at work declare that Solaris was "stupid" because of that. [04:56:04] *** Gr|ffous has joined #opensolaris [04:56:23] <jbk> heh [04:57:07] <jbk> sounds like he really knows what he's talking about :) [04:57:34] <lloy0076> He's only just learning. [04:57:55] <jbk> wait until he has to run a close-source app on linux :) [04:59:36] <lloy0076> I'm trying to convince them to run our credit card payment gateway on Solaris with RBAC. [04:59:54] <lloy0076> Currently they just wander onto machines and sudo su - and I die laughing or crying depending on what mood I'm in. [05:00:06] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [05:00:43] <jbk> heh [05:01:10] <e^ipi> sudo should just die a horrible death [05:01:29] <e^ipi> but unfortunately linux is too retarded to have RBAC by default, so that'll never happen [05:01:44] <jbk> *shrug* it's not bad, just a different mindset [05:02:09] <lloy0076> Sudo has its place if one can configure it properly, but sudo su - is just silly imho.l [05:02:19] <Tempt> coffee anyone? [05:02:33] <lloy0076> heh [05:02:40] <lloy0076> Personally I'd prefer a beer. [05:02:52] * Tempt digs into a perfect espresso [05:04:06] <Tempt> btw, you mean gzcat $i | tar xf -, right? [05:04:27] <jbk> at my last job, they did that (sudo su -) to give people access to accounts where they didn't want them to know the password [05:04:49] <Tempt> That's pretty common behaviour [05:05:02] <Tempt> To grant access to application accounts [05:05:09] <lloy0076> gunzip -c is the same as gzcat [05:05:11] <jbk> of course the primary reason for it was because of this bizzare management decision regarding oracle [05:05:16] <Tempt> gzcat is shorter! [05:05:18] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris [05:05:22] <jbk> there's a group whose whole purpose in life is to install and patch oracle [05:05:25] <jbk> that's all [05:05:28] <Tempt> Wow. [05:05:32] <lloy0076> But sudo su - lets you CHANGE the passwords for root itself :( [05:05:32] <Tempt> You must have a lot of databases. [05:05:35] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [05:05:39] <jbk> and so that group gets into a pissing match with the dbas over access to the oracle account [05:05:58] <lloy0076> Be thankful you have Oracle. I get landed with MySQL. [05:06:15] <Tempt> Imagine having your entire day consumed staring at the Oracle installer. [05:06:18] <lloy0076> (and DBAs who keep on forgetting the R bit in RDBMS) [05:06:19] <jbk> and usually i was caught in the middle [05:06:22] <Tempt> I'd be a pissy bitch in the workplace if that was my job. [05:06:32] <jbk> lloy0076: oh don't worry, this renegade group at my new job is using mysql [05:06:38] <jbk> on linux [05:06:40] <jbk> though amusingly [05:06:53] <jbk> they thought they could just swap it out and port everything over to oracle rac in a week :) [05:06:57] <Tempt> haha [05:07:00] <Tempt> hahhah. [05:07:13] <jbk> oracle rac on linux even :) [05:07:33] <jbk> which my current job is finding out is not the pancea oracle makes it out to be [05:07:42] <lloy0076> Unless it's carefully coded in the first place, jumping between DBs is likely to cause pain. [05:07:48] <jbk> (let's just say os + oracle patchlevels are their onw level of hell) [05:07:56] <jbk> err own [05:08:01] <Tempt> Man, Oracle belongs on Solaris. [05:08:02] <purserj> oracle a anything is not the panacea they make it out to be [05:08:14] <jbk> in that respect, rac has fewer headaches on solaris [05:08:37] <jbk> not that it's a breeze, it's still needlessly complex and touchy [05:08:49] <lloy0076> Oooerrr, do they have a Pretend Application Cluster too? [05:09:02] <jbk> naah [05:09:36] <Tempt> If you're paying for Oracle you might as well buy nice hardware. [05:09:43] <lloy0076> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/clustering/index.html - then click on the datasheet, the very first PDF link and watch the 404 :( [05:10:39] <purserj> thats probably due to the fact that they've used \ when they should have used / [05:11:14] <jbk> well where i used to work, the decision by an idiot director [05:11:26] <jbk> set back a multi-million dollar project by almost a year [05:11:32] <jbk> simply because she insisted RAC be used [05:11:46] <jbk> and even oracle was having problems making it work right [05:12:11] * lloy0076 sigh [05:12:25] <jbk> speaking of which [05:12:35] <jbk> they were supposed to go live with that this weekend :) [05:12:36] <lloy0076> And of course http://www.ibm.com/ -- the flash with Flash9 for SXCE bombs the navigation out totally (at least for me) [05:14:56] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [05:14:59] <e^ipi> works for me [05:15:19] *** Gr|ffous has joined #opensolaris [05:16:18] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [05:17:45] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [05:18:00] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [05:18:47] *** jamesd__ has quit IRC [05:22:09] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [05:22:59] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [05:24:49] *** nrubsig has quit IRC [05:28:05] *** gdamore has quit IRC [05:30:42] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [05:31:08] *** Reidms-420R has joined #opensolaris [05:41:00] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [05:44:05] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [05:49:03] *** RElling has quit IRC [05:50:59] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris [05:51:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly [05:51:00] *** linux_user400354 has joined #opensolaris [05:58:15] *** stormz has joined #opensolaris [05:58:22] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [05:59:45] <stormz> hi everyone [06:00:28] <Reidms-420R> hi [06:03:38] <stormz> im just trying to work out what the best way is to find out new devices and i/o like media buttons are and how to script openings etc ... google is quite unhelpful at the moment ... and diaup is even more unhelpful since all the PDF's are ... quite hard to read [06:04:21] <stormz> (migration from linux) so just point me to the man would help [06:06:18] <Reidms-420R> doc.sun.com [06:06:31] <Reidms-420R> for your basic Solaris stuff [06:06:45] *** derchris has quit IRC [06:06:53] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [06:07:24] <Reidms-420R> *docs.sun.com [06:08:17] <stormz> yea I might have to just try to find it in there somewhere online... hope its in there [06:08:47] <Reidms-420R> ya talking about [06:08:48] *** perlmonk has quit IRC [06:08:49] *** jossh has joined #opensolaris [06:08:52] <Reidms-420R> flashdrives [06:09:17] <stormz> oh no .. mainly things like media keys etc [06:09:22] <stormz> on keyboard [06:09:39] <stormz> vold takes care of those flash drives for me [06:09:57] <Reidms-420R> Ohhhh [06:09:58] <stormz> ...oh thats changed as well in next version... [06:10:32] <Reidms-420R> I have no idea- I only use Solaris on sun hardware [06:10:47] *** fedorared has quit IRC [06:10:48] <stormz> dmesg helps with those media keys... in linux... solaris I have no idea where to look for the asci codes like x0232 etc [06:11:02] <Reidms-420R> dmesg is in Solaris [06:11:21] <stormz> it isnt logging interpruts [06:11:26] <stormz> that failed [06:11:49] <stormz> ... dtrace?? [06:12:34] <Reidms-420R> google rosetta stone unix [06:13:03] <Reidms-420R> It translates most Linux commands to Solaris [06:13:24] *** linux_user400354 has quit IRC [06:14:02] <stormz> na I remember that I had to place script commands into a file and it would check it against the code etc [06:16:36] <stormz> sometimes I just wish I had used solaris .. a few more years ago [06:20:15] <Reidms-420R> Are you using Solaris, SXDE or SXCE? [06:20:26] <stormz> 11/06 [06:20:37] <stormz> dvd media kit [06:22:37] <stormz> de i think [06:26:13] *** EchoBinary has joined #opensolaris [06:26:28] <Reidms-420R> join #solaris then [06:27:09] <Reidms-420R> This is #opensolaris is mainly for Solaris Express Developer Edition and Solaris Express Community Edition [06:27:42] <stormz> wouldnt the problem be in both though? media keys.. [06:28:13] <Reidms-420R> If you are a developer, or if you plan to use Solaris as a desktop I would recommend SXDE or SXCE since they have the bleeding edge [06:28:44] <Reidms-420R> Probably- but there may be more activity on #solaris right now [06:32:43] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [06:34:46] <moazamraja> media keys (X stuff) is the same for Solaris/OpenSolaris [06:34:55] <moazamraja> and hell, a bunch of stuff from linux would prolly work too [06:35:41] <Reidms-420R> Cool [06:36:04] <stormz> thanks :P [06:36:10] <Reidms-420R> I have no experience in that field- I just use a Sun keyboard :p [06:36:35] <stormz> yea well I dont have my sun keyboard here anymore [06:36:58] <moazamraja> i just got a Sun Type 7 keyb recently, havent tried it yet tho [06:37:01] <stormz> and my netra X1 has little use for one [06:37:12] <sahafeez> i am on type 6. wish i was on type 5 [06:37:13] <moazamraja> media keys and key mapping are on reason i'm not fond of unices on the desktop :/ [06:37:19] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [06:37:28] <moazamraja> type5 is the same as type6, just not USB [06:38:31] <stormz> ... mmm i will still need to find out what the codes are ... [06:39:08] <stormz> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys [06:40:53] <sahafeez> type 5 and type 6 are so not the same. [06:41:10] <sahafeez> very very different as far as shape, design, feel. [06:41:36] <stormz> well I use to love my old microsoft natural keyboard... that died [06:41:39] <sahafeez> i am using the type 6 on a windows box, and 2 ultrasparc boxes [06:41:54] <sahafeez> best ps/2 style was the ibm type m [06:42:02] <sahafeez> i have one of those to. [06:42:09] <sahafeez> i really should sell it but .... [06:42:14] <moazamraja> sahafeez: hmm, i thought Type5 was the Type6 without USb..google is telling me otherwise now [06:42:15] <moazamraja> but... [06:42:21] <stormz> ... your a geek and like to horde [06:42:28] <moazamraja> i thought that was a Tyep4.... [06:42:32] <sahafeez> they made type 6 with old school din and usb [06:42:37] <moazamraja> but in that case, Type 5 keybs SUCK [06:43:03] <sahafeez> no, type 5 was the best. great feel. solid. the type 6 is a cheaper more plastic keyboard [06:43:18] *** jhawk has quit IRC [06:43:37] <moazamraja> True that type6 is cheaper, but damn, Type5 had a odd mushy feel to it, hard to type fast on [06:43:48] <sahafeez> ha, i sold 30 items on ebay last week. doing another 40 tonight. i will have nothing left soom [06:43:51] <stormz> yea well if you want a good x86MB go for the asus M2NPV-VM it wont work with windows lol [06:44:39] *** hali has quit IRC [06:45:59] *** Reidms-420R has quit IRC [06:46:33] <stormz> where are you sahafeez? [06:47:45] <sahafeez> san diego [06:49:10] <stormz> sell to nz ... rare as hens teath [06:49:30] <stormz> im one of the few in NZ that have a sun system lol [06:49:31] <sahafeez> i will ship anywhere. [06:49:48] <sahafeez> heck, if i can get tickets to a super 14 game i will bring it myself [06:50:09] <stormz> lol [06:50:30] <stormz> oh is that flight inclusive is it? lol [06:56:35] <moazamraja> MS Natural 4000 keyboard = the best [06:56:44] <moazamraja> (this coming from a Sun/Apple commie) [06:56:59] *** jossh has left #opensolaris [06:57:02] <Doc> stormz: hmm.. maybe i should bring some sun boxes over with me on tuesday and sell them on the street corner? [06:57:09] <Doc> I like my type 7's [06:58:23] <stormz> lol yea in wellington or auckland doc.. Estimated street price of my netra X1 $700NZ [06:58:42] <Doc> NZ$700? that's like A$10 isnt it? [06:59:03] <stormz> LOL [06:59:25] <moazamraja> ouch.... [07:00:47] <stormz> 80c in the dollar [07:00:58] <stormz> or so [07:01:41] <stormz> 700 NZD = 633.5000 AUD [07:03:10] <sahafeez> so about $550 USD [07:03:41] <sahafeez> heck, i am going there on vacation as it is $2=# and 1.37 to the E [07:05:07] <stormz> 700 NZD = 549.5000 USD [07:05:32] <stormz> :P [07:06:02] <stormz> checkout www.trademe.co.nz ... you will see [07:06:17] <stormz> (there is no existant ebay) [07:10:28] <sahafeez> you can still buy on ebay right? [07:13:08] <stormz> yea [07:13:56] <stormz> I need to find a netra X1 cpu fan and heatsink though (hacked the power suply fan so it would work) [07:14:22] <axisys> what is the equivalent entry in ssh_config of this `ssh remotehost -t remote command' [07:14:25] <axisys> It is not localcommand or proxycommand, I checked both [07:48:13] *** Glaucus has joined #opensolaris [07:50:37] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [07:50:54] <jbk> hello [07:52:09] <stormz> hello jbk [07:53:11] <estibi> morning all [07:53:38] <jbk> evening here still :) [07:54:33] <estibi> it's 07:54 here ;) [07:55:02] <jbk> guessing you're in europe somewhere? [07:56:14] <estibi> yes, poland [07:57:46] <jbk> ahh [07:59:08] <jbk> almost 1am here [07:59:50] <richlowe> Gman: little late, isn't it? [07:59:56] <richlowe> or is it late here, and early there? [08:00:01] <Gman> richlowe, early, 7am [08:02:29] *** stormz has quit IRC [08:07:05] *** paul__ has joined #opensolaris [08:08:05] *** paul has quit IRC [08:11:53] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [08:24:16] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [08:24:38] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [08:25:25] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [08:25:44] *** estibi has quit IRC [08:25:59] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [08:29:41] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [08:32:46] *** jossh has joined #opensolaris [08:33:27] <jossh> i'm going to be transferring a large amount of files over a network. in the hundreds of gigabytes range, what would be the best protocol to use? [08:34:08] <richlowe> decent capacity tape, and a skateboard. [08:35:47] <cmihai> jossh: iSCSI :-) [08:36:00] <jossh> heh already set on gigabit ethernet [08:36:21] <cmihai> Aggregate a bunch of GbE cards and do iSCSI [08:36:26] <jossh> all i know for networking is samba really, but there's no way in hell i'm trusting this to samba [08:36:31] <Tempt> or just do the tapes. [08:36:58] <moazamraja> I use NFS... [08:37:01] <moazamraja> nfs over tcp [08:37:03] <moazamraja> works for me. [08:37:09] <dlg> gridftp [08:37:17] <moazamraja> but i have a boatload of clients accesing the servers... [08:37:26] <jossh> i've heard of rsync, is that useful for stuff like this? [08:37:43] <jossh> i ideally want to know for sure that the data is copied exactly [08:38:00] <jossh> anything that provides the highest level of checking is preferred [08:38:30] <dlg> rsync could work [08:40:42] <richlowe> for that kind of sanity, you're going to want to checksum it at both ends anyway. [08:41:40] <moazamraja> md5 before and after [08:42:04] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [08:42:33] <estibi> dlg: find . -type f -exec md5sum {} >> ../md5 \; && mv -i ../md5 . [08:42:42] <estibi> if you have 'md5sum' [08:43:04] <cmihai> This is Solaris, you have digest -a md5 :P [08:43:21] <estibi> i know :P [08:43:44] <cmihai> Linux buoy :P [08:44:17] <estibi> you're wrong ... [08:44:22] <estibi> nvm [08:44:30] <cmihai> Just messing man, you know, busting chops ;P [08:46:05] <estibi> uname -srv [08:46:06] <estibi> SunOS 5.11 snv_68 [08:46:21] <estibi> which md5sum [08:46:21] <estibi> /usr/bin/md5sum [08:46:22] <estibi> :P [08:46:54] <cmihai> md5sum is GNU, md5 is BSD and digest is UNIX :-). I don't care what and if you have it installed already :-) [08:47:32] <cmihai> solfs% grep md5sum /var/sadm/install/contents [08:47:33] <cmihai> solfs% [08:47:40] <cmihai> ^^ not installed on stock Solaris :-) [08:50:12] <jossh> ah good idea on md5'ing [08:50:36] *** slowhog has quit IRC [08:50:44] <richlowe> cmihai: it is, now. [08:51:42] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [08:51:47] <cmihai> OH NOES, we've been indianized! [08:53:06] <estibi> digest is good tool, but it missing '-c' parameter :/ [08:53:15] <estibi> check [08:53:16] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [08:55:33] *** cognistudio has joined #opensolaris [08:56:51] *** sahafeez has left #opensolaris [08:58:09] *** Chihan has quit IRC [09:11:02] <richlowe> each and every one of them uses a very slightly different output format. [09:22:10] *** Reidms-420R has joined #opensolaris [09:26:59] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [09:30:13] *** Reidms-420R has left #opensolaris [09:35:10] *** nostoi has quit IRC [09:43:05] *** duri has quit IRC [09:50:39] *** jossh has quit IRC [10:00:08] *** dmarker has quit IRC [10:00:18] *** dmarker has joined #opensolaris [10:07:45] *** krithika has joined #opensolaris [10:08:14] <krithika> does Solaris build snv 44 ship Sun Java Application Server [10:08:56] <krithika> I want to use Sun Java Application Server for my project [10:09:23] <krithika> I want to know if its there or should i download the code ... Can somebody help me with this ? [10:09:37] *** cognistudio has left #opensolaris [10:09:42] <cmihai> Nevada 44 is VERY old [10:10:00] <cmihai> About 1 year [10:10:21] <krithika> Does Neveda 55 support ? [10:10:26] <cmihai> Why 55? [10:10:31] <cmihai> We're up to 68 [10:10:35] <krithika> I have a Temple of Sun DVD [10:10:36] <krithika> yeah [10:10:55] <krithika> i can upgrade to 55 now [10:11:31] <cmihai> It's part of Solaris and SXCE... [10:11:39] <cmihai> no idea about builds as old as 44, it's been a while :-) [10:11:53] <cmihai> krithika: ehem. Just download SXCE 68 [10:12:06] <krithika> ok [10:12:18] <krithika> I have to use Jsp , JAva db for my project [10:12:49] <krithika> Is Sun JAva Application Sevrer a right choice ? [10:14:48] <krithika> Where do I get help regarding configuring the SJAS [10:14:53] <cmihai> Eh? [10:14:56] <krithika> Google didnt help me much [10:15:06] <cmihai> Dunno, look at Glassfish or something. [10:15:19] <cmihai> It does JSP too. [10:15:42] <krithika> cmihai: okay , thanks.. [10:16:07] *** krithika has quit IRC [10:16:16] <cmihai> https://glassfish.dev.java.net/ [10:16:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [10:18:35] *** sartek has quit IRC [10:19:43] *** jamesd sets mode: +o asyd [10:20:16] *** simford has quit IRC [10:20:37] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [10:24:48] *** vignesh has joined #opensolaris [10:26:29] <vignesh> Hey [10:26:43] <vignesh> I would like help configuring opensoalris [10:27:23] <vignesh> I insatlled oss pakage and it shows the voulme controls but I still don`t hear any sound [10:27:56] <vignesh> I dowloaded the latest verison of oss but it says the maximum number of instances of the [10:27:56] <vignesh> package which may be supported at one time on the same system has [10:27:56] <vignesh> already been met. [10:29:34] *** vignesh has left #opensolaris [10:31:13] *** theRealballchalk has quit IRC [10:39:29] *** Murmuria has joined #opensolaris [10:39:33] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [10:40:47] *** jamesd has quit IRC [10:43:03] <Fish-> hello [10:44:35] <Murmuria> Gman: hey, where is my mentor? [10:44:51] <Murmuria> Gman: I think he would not have completed the Google mentor survey [11:02:49] *** vignesh has joined #opensolaris [11:04:00] <vignesh> hello [11:04:05] <vignesh> anyone ? [11:05:06] <LuckyLuk1> me? [11:05:09] *** LuckyLuk1 is now known as LuckyLuke [11:05:14] <vignesh> okay [11:05:28] <vignesh> I need help with audio drivers [11:05:30] <Symmetria> erm [11:05:33] <LuckyLuke> heh [11:05:40] <Symmetria> anyone here know something about calculating power/electricity currents etc? [11:05:40] <LuckyLuke> I'm not the right guy for you :) [11:05:42] <vignesh> I have already intsalled oss [11:05:49] <LuckyLuke> Symmetria: a little [11:05:58] <vignesh> and the volume control shows up now but I don`t hear any sound [11:06:01] <LuckyLuke> as far as you have to choose an ups I'm ok :) [11:06:38] <Symmetria> LuckyLuke... [11:06:39] <Symmetria> heh, I got a 6000 watt PSU on a 220V input, its outputting 1664 watts at 39.61 amps at current, how many amps is it drawing to do that off the input [11:06:57] <Symmetria> heh I need to figure out how many amps Im drawing off the input :) [11:07:05] <richlowe> and, more interestingly (to me), what the hell is it powering? [11:07:11] <vignesh> is xorg 7.2 available as a pkg for opensolaris ? [11:07:14] <Symmetria> richlowe a cisco 7609S router [11:07:17] <Symmetria> with ES20 line cards [11:07:24] <LuckyLuke> Symmetria: you can't directly calculate it, since PSUs don't work at 100% efficiency. [11:07:51] <LuckyLuke> but, more or less, W = V * I [11:07:52] <richlowe> vignesh: I think most of the distributions are already using 7.2 [11:07:55] <vignesh> I use the snv 55b [11:07:55] <richlowe> SX is, certainly. [11:07:58] <richlowe> I think nexenta are. [11:08:01] <vignesh> ZXDE [11:08:02] <richlowe> Oh, it's not in 55b, no. [11:08:05] <richlowe> I think it went into 58 [11:08:06] <vignesh> SXDE* [11:08:11] <Symmetria> hrm, total potential power output from the PSU is 64 amp [11:08:11] <vignesh> oh [11:08:14] <richlowe> so the newer DE will have it. [11:08:16] <Symmetria> (63.62) [11:08:17] <vignesh> can I update it by anyway ? [11:08:20] <Symmetria> according to ciscos website [11:08:23] <LuckyLuke> so 1664 watts / 220 volts = 7.56 amps [11:08:33] <Symmetria> lucky nah, see thats what confused me [11:08:47] <vignesh> since my card is supported in 7+ and I am forced t o use vesa in 6.9 [11:08:48] <Symmetria> its got a 6000 watt input, but its OUTPUTTING 1664 watts at like 39.61 amps [11:09:04] <Symmetria> so errr I dont understand that [11:09:10] <LuckyLuke> 42 volts output? [11:09:22] <Symmetria> probably yes [11:09:44] <Symmetria> so it remains at like 8amp input? [11:09:58] <LuckyLuke> something like that, yes [11:10:01] <Symmetria> x 2 for redundancy [11:10:04] <Symmetria> thats not that bad [11:10:04] <vignesh> richlowe: anyway to update it to 7.2 ? [11:10:17] <Symmetria> but hrm, it could potentially double [11:10:22] <Symmetria> wuith more cards [11:10:37] <Symmetria> ok [11:10:39] <Symmetria> :) can work witht hat [11:10:40] <LuckyLuke> well, no, if your load use 1600 watt and you put two PSUs for redundancy you'll be sucking 1600 watt *total* from the two PSUs. [11:10:55] <Symmetria> lucky, no, A feed and B feed is what I meant [11:10:56] <LuckyLuke> if one of them burns up the other will take the full load and absorb 1600w [11:10:56] <Symmetria> 8 amps per [11:11:01] <Symmetria> incase one dies [11:11:02] <LuckyLuke> ah ok [11:11:07] <LuckyLuke> you measured one [11:11:20] <Symmetria> Im more worried about the fact that I might need to double the power load on that box through the addition of more cards [11:11:43] <Symmetria> and Im also worried about the 7.1k btu of heat this thing produces [11:12:05] <Symmetria> cause I've got 8 of these going in, so 66 thousand btu's, thats a shitload of heat [11:12:08] <Gman> Murmuria, sommerfeld [11:12:17] <vignesh> richlowe: you there ? [11:12:20] <LuckyLuke> that's why you don't use that kind of stuff as an ADSL router under the roof of your home :) [11:12:34] <richlowe> vignesh: You'd need to download the newer DE (or CE), and upgrade. [11:12:42] <Symmetria> haha LuckyLuke at a total cost of well in excess of a million dollars for the 8 routers [11:12:48] <Symmetria> the other reason not to use them at home [11:12:58] <LuckyLuke> yes, that's another good one :) [11:12:59] <vignesh> there `s no way I can install 7.2 in snv 55 ? [11:14:10] <Murmuria> Gman: ??? [11:14:13] <LuckyLuke> Symmetria: btw, what the hell is an 'ES20' ? [11:14:25] <Murmuria> Gman: I know my mentors name... [11:14:49] <Murmuria> Gman: I dont understand what you said above [11:14:51] <Gman> Murmuria, i'm not sure i can check [11:14:51] <Gman> let me try [11:15:19] <vignesh> richlowe: can you help me configure my sound card ? [11:15:19] <Gman> ok, was assuming you would have found him and asked him [11:15:25] <vignesh> I have installed oss [11:15:28] *** estibi has quit IRC [11:15:44] <vignesh> and the volume controls show up and all. . but I don`t hear anything [11:15:49] <vignesh> mine is a hda-intel sound car [11:15:55] <vignesh> car = card * [11:16:55] <Murmuria> Gman: ok, cool, just in case if he is genuinely busy this weekend, I think Google has a system by which you can fill in his position for the survey [11:18:41] *** vignesh has left #opensolaris [11:20:22] <Gman> Murmuria, it hasn't been done [11:20:25] <Gman> i'll ping your mentor [11:22:13] *** Atomdrache has joined #opensolaris [11:22:33] *** Kaiba has joined #opensolaris [11:22:55] <Atomdrache> Something odd seems to have just happened to my Sparcstation-20. [11:23:23] <Murmuria> Gman: thanks, I already sent him an email on the 10th and also today, I hope you have better luck [11:23:54] <Gman> Murmuria, i hope so too - 3 out of 4 mentors haven't responded [11:24:03] <Atomdrache> I noticed that irssi had segfaulted (I'm running it elsewhere), and after poking around for a while I also shut down urxvt, suspecting that it might've been acting up also. When I restarted it and maximized it, it killed my login session. Then I tried to log in again, and the login session failed. [11:24:20] <Atomdrache> So I logged in via command line, and /var/adm/messages mentioned something about soft memory errors on one of the SIMMs. [11:24:21] <Murmuria> Gman: oh, thats not such a good thing! [11:24:44] <Murmuria> Gman: can you talk to them all, in person? [11:24:46] <Atomdrache> Should I start looking for a new SIMM? [11:24:54] <Gman> Murmuria, through IRC i can [11:26:51] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [11:27:50] *** hali has joined #opensolaris [11:44:08] <asyd> anyone have tried aix6 ? [11:44:31] <Murmuria> Gman: IRC as in, this channel? or is there any other? [11:49:39] <Gman> Murmuria, there's an internal channel, but most of them are on this one daily [11:50:00] <Atomdrache> Okay, this is definitely not good. [11:50:24] <Atomdrache> the screen around the Open Boot display is turning funny colors. [11:57:40] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [12:11:44] *** Fish-- has joined #opensolaris [12:12:19] *** Fish-- has quit IRC [12:13:04] *** mosno has joined #opensolaris [12:17:06] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [12:27:17] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [12:28:37] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [12:30:58] *** jjsm has joined #opensolaris [12:35:24] *** jjsm has quit IRC [12:35:54] *** jjsm has joined #opensolaris [12:40:55] *** Gman has quit IRC [12:41:25] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Funny colours, huh? [12:44:08] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I do dearly hope never to see that again. [12:44:15] <Atomdrache> Fortunately I had another 64MB SIMM around, [12:44:17] <Atomdrache> so it's fixed now. [12:44:32] <Atomdrache> I'll take this as a hint and keep it cooler. [12:45:09] <Atomdrache> I figured adding ventilation to the room and maintaining clearance on all sides was sufficient, but apparently not with an ss20 with two 150MHz Ross boards. [12:45:59] <Atomdrache> Might be worth bolting a few huge fans to the case. [12:46:40] <Tempt> Hmm [12:46:55] <Tempt> I've had random splatter around the OBP with Raptor framebuffers on SPARC machines. [12:47:08] <Tempt> Mainly because the video memory doesn't get cleared on reboot, just a modechange. [12:47:42] <Tempt> Some of those raptors have some insane behaviour. Like remembering chunks of the display after a 30 second power down. [12:47:53] <Tempt> Seriously, turn the machine back on and see some remants of a crashed CDE session. [12:48:57] <Atomdrache> This was much more serious. [12:49:34] <Tempt> The SS20s had a reputation for overheating with the Ross modules. [12:49:48] <Atomdrache> As soon as it tried to boot, it'd get into a sort of loop that reminded me of how the Oddworld slaves committed suicide.)( [12:49:53] <Tempt> Especially the dual-hypersparc modules for a 4 cpu box. [12:49:53] <Atomdrache> Yeah, they do. [12:50:01] <Atomdrache> Granted, I can't find those. [12:50:08] <Atomdrache> I've just got two single modules. [12:50:14] <Tempt> What OS are you running on the 20? [12:50:22] <Atomdrache> Solaris 9. [12:50:28] <Tempt> Nifty. [12:50:43] <Atomdrache> I made sure to stuff it full of as much RAM as it could address, of course. [12:50:44] <Tempt> You could bolt some whacking great fans on the top of the case I suppose. [12:50:50] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I'm thinking of that. [12:51:04] <Atomdrache> The dude who runs obsolyte.com did that with his little lunchbox Sparc so that the HDD wouldn't overheat it. [12:51:12] <Tempt> I've seen it done using a high powered Patriot fan stripped from a laser head. [12:51:29] <Tempt> Yeah, I've seen the hacked up IPX at obsolyte.com [12:51:34] <Atomdrache> I might just use some little line-voltage fans from decommissioned vacuum-tube power supplies. There are a few around. [12:51:48] <Tempt> The sheer wall of noise those Patriot fans emit is scary. [12:51:51] <Atomdrache> Maybe three or four on top of the SS20 would help it out :D [12:52:10] <Tempt> Argon laser heads run so hot they need *serious* airflow. [12:52:23] <Atomdrache> Oh, an argon laser? [12:52:30] <Atomdrache> Now that is awesome. [12:52:34] * Tempt has a 35mW Argon-Ion laser. [12:52:44] <tomww> a laser to really burn CDs :-) [12:52:57] <Tempt> It'll burn holes in black plastic and paper. [12:53:19] <Tempt> But it takes about 1200W in to produce a measured 36.5mW of output. [12:53:19] <Atomdrache> There's a place online these days to buy solid-state diode lasers up to a few hundred milliwatts. Smallest one's 80mW. If I were a bit more wealthy, I'd go for that. [12:53:38] <Atomdrache> Eww...that probably gets rather toasty. [12:53:54] <Tempt> I just wanted a gas laser. I know I could get a 200mW green DPSS module complete from a chinese vendor for around $AU200, but they just don't have the cool factor of gas lasers. [12:54:06] <Atomdrache> A fair point. [12:54:12] <Tempt> To be honest, the thing hasn't been powered up in a long time because of the hassle factor. [12:54:15] <Atomdrache> Gas lasers are scary, high-voltage glass things that burn holes in shit :D [12:54:24] <Tempt> Seperate power supply, head, squirrelcage blower and air pipes. [12:54:36] <Tempt> glass? The head is made of Berrylium Oxide. [12:54:41] <Tempt> if it was made of glass it'd melt. [12:55:21] <Tempt> I mostly just use the HeNe to play with. [12:55:58] <Tempt> 10mW red HeNe and 6mW green. [12:57:13] <Tempt> Man, I really wish system board DR worked on the 880s. [12:57:35] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [13:00:44] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [13:04:31] *** mosno has quit IRC [13:09:38] <trygvis> what can I do when a machine appears to be frozen, but replies to ping and I can press enter on the console? [13:10:00] <trygvis> iostat was running on the console, but it's hanging [13:10:30] <Tempt> No error messages? [13:10:33] <Tempt> Disk activity? [13:10:50] <Atomdrache> Will it let you log in remotely? [13:11:00] <Atomdrache> I'd be tempted to try to SSH in and poke around. [13:11:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC [13:11:20] <trygvis> nope, ssh is not working [13:11:26] <Atomdrache> Telnet? [13:11:57] <Tempt> Sounds like you've lost your root filesystem [13:11:59] <trygvis> no error messages, and no disk activity. I started a rsync beore I went to bed last night [13:12:08] <Tempt> Or the machine is so deep in swap it might as well be dead. [13:12:27] <Atomdrache> I would be tempted to resort to the Big Red Button Boot. [13:12:42] <trygvis> yeah, that is the plan unless you guys have some magic trick :) [13:13:13] <Atomdrache> Hit stop+A and play Nethack on OBP? (I've got nothing.) [13:13:37] <trygvis> however, I did get error messages from the marvel card last night about that it lost the connection to the drives [13:13:44] <trygvis> nah, this is an old x86 box [13:13:58] <Atomdrache> Damn. I'm really out of ideas. [13:14:13] <Tempt> Well [13:14:22] <Tempt> It warned you, and now you've got a fistful of fail. [13:14:57] <trygvis> not unlikely [13:15:03] *** theRealballchalk has joined #opensolaris [13:15:17] <trygvis> but I'm still surprised that it didn't fail with a panic .. the console still responds [13:15:51] <trygvis> quasi mentioned that this is a known "feature" of the card I got too [13:17:13] *** deather has quit IRC [13:18:41] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [13:18:49] *** Symmetria has joined #opensolaris [13:19:18] <Tempt> Well. [13:19:23] <Tempt> I see a reboot in your future. [13:20:29] <trygvis> yep [13:20:33] <_mary_kate_> hmm, that system that panicked a couple of weeks ago has been fine since. must've been cosmic rays [13:22:25] <Tempt> anyway, patching time. see you in an hour or so. [13:22:30] *** Tempt has quit IRC [13:22:59] *** deather_ is now known as deather [13:23:05] *** NikolaVeber has joined #opensolaris [13:33:22] <asyd> anyone have build rrdtool 1.2.15 on solaris, I have an error that say my compilator (gcc 3.4.3) is not ieeee compliant [13:33:44] <Atomdrache> Eh, I don't know much about RRDtool. [13:34:39] *** Fullmoon has joined #opensolaris [13:37:20] <trygvis> asyd: I use the one from blastwave [13:38:14] <asyd> it's a very old version, isn't it , [13:38:47] <asyd> who is the packager ? :p [13:40:11] <trygvis> http://www.blastwave.org/packages.php/rrdtool [13:40:17] <trygvis> 1.2.19 [13:40:23] <asyd> thanks [13:40:28] *** iron_angel has joined #opensolaris [13:41:38] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [13:43:11] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [13:43:52] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [13:44:43] <asyd> hm, np with the last version, strange [13:45:13] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [14:04:45] *** DJDHG has joined #opensolaris [14:04:50] <DJDHG> hi @ all [14:05:05] <DJDHG> some german people there? [14:05:20] <purserj> I can speak a little but I don't think that counts [14:05:41] <DJDHG> better than nothing ,P [14:05:42] <asyd> DJDHG: try #opensolaris-de ? [14:06:03] *** Tempt has joined #opensolaris [14:06:06] <DJDHG> asyd, thx [14:06:33] <asyd> that's strange, the OID to list mounted partitions (in the net-snmp provide by sol10u3) seem not to be the usual one in net-snmp [14:06:50] *** master_o1_master has joined #opensolaris [14:07:03] *** splt has joined #opensolaris [14:10:15] *** DJDHG has left #opensolaris [14:12:35] *** splt has left #opensolaris [14:13:04] <asyd> ah no, shame on me [14:14:12] *** Auralis_ has joined #opensolaris [14:14:18] *** Auralis_ has quit IRC [14:17:01] *** master_of_master has quit IRC [14:19:35] <trygvis> when I "su -", shouldn't I get the PATH set in /etc/default/login? [14:21:55] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [14:22:24] <asyd> hmm SUPATH ? [14:22:25] *** Griffous has joined #opensolaris [14:22:31] <asyd> since you simulate a full login [14:22:43] <trygvis> yeah, but I'm not getting that [14:26:44] <Tempt> something in /etc/profile smashing it? [14:27:18] <trygvis> nope, this is a clean b67 installation [14:27:49] <Tempt> Do you get the path when you log in at the console? [14:27:54] <trygvis> hm, now I just got the same error message from the marvel [14:28:02] <Tempt> Oh. [14:28:04] <Tempt> That's not good. [14:28:24] <trygvis> yep, got the correct PATH on console [14:29:47] <_mary_kate_> i wish sshd didn't write two lastlog entries for each login [14:29:50] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/p/RJ2p7R87.html are the error messages from the card [14:30:05] *** nostoi has quit IRC [14:31:35] *** obsethryl has joined #opensolaris [14:33:27] <Tempt> I think you need to get a new card. [14:36:47] <trygvis> this is the third sata card I'm trying to get working with opensolaris .. getting kinda annoying now [14:37:00] <trygvis> I'm tempted to move the card and drives over to the linux box [14:37:17] <Tempt> Hmm. [14:37:20] <Tempt> Cables? [14:37:34] <Tempt> If you've churned three cards, check your cables and drives. [14:38:51] <trygvis> the cards are ok, it's just solaris that doesn't support them properly [14:39:50] <trygvis> but quasi said that this was a common "feature" of this card from supermicro [14:40:17] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [14:40:24] <trygvis> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2006-December/036763.html [14:40:43] <Tempt> I'm a big fan of the LSI cards this week. [14:42:58] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [14:43:03] <trygvis> the thing is that the machine is working just fine now (without a reboot) [14:44:44] <_mary_kate_> LSI are great. never had problems with them. [14:45:11] <trygvis> I think I'm going to load kdb and see if I can get a stack trace [14:49:36] <Tempt> Maybe there are some driver options to crank up the debug level? 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[15:50:47] <Tempt> An hour later and 20 patches installed. [15:50:55] <Tempt> another 200 or so to go. [15:51:05] <richlowe> Tempt: if the last digit of uname -r is < 10, yes. [15:51:13] <richlowe> uh, except, uh. [15:51:14] <richlowe> yeah, you get the idea. [15:51:17] <Tempt> This will probably take another 12 hours. [15:55:33] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [15:57:12] <Doc> tempt: you are using live upgrade, no? [15:57:19] <Tempt> No, I'm not using LU. [15:57:33] <Doc> well that's a bit stupid of you! [15:58:02] <Tempt> How much time would an LU save me? I could LU to the latest release, but I'd still need a shit-tin of patches. [15:58:24] <_mary_kate_> duplicate the current env and apply patches there :) [15:59:17] <richlowe> Tempt: you couldn't LU [15:59:17] <Tempt> Knowing my luck something will break and I'll spend another hour recovering the system as well. [15:59:25] <richlowe> Tempt: you need the latest release++ to LU zones. [15:59:28] <richlowe> unless u4 is out. [15:59:39] <Tempt> Exactly. [15:59:51] <Tempt> I'm going to just have to wait it out and wish it was bloody faster. [16:00:01] <Tempt> It took about an hour on my workstation, so this is purely zones giving me grief. [16:00:20] <Tempt> (why the hell do spare zones need to be "patched", anyway?) [16:01:10] <richlowe> part of it is fakery, for consistencies sake, the other part is patches that touch the non-sparse bits. [16:01:42] <Tempt> I know, I know. I just want my host back up and running instead of patching for the next forever. [16:02:16] <Tempt> Downtime like this reminds me one exactly how much one uses a machine. [16:03:04] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [16:07:42] <Tempt> Hey, perhaps after this patch run I can trunk my cassini interfaces without things falling apart. [16:07:56] *** Netwolf has joined #opensolaris [16:11:21] <Tempt> The the way guys, if you have a boring patch run to sit through, liven it up by watching "Hot Fuzz". [16:11:24] <Tempt> Most amusing movie. [16:11:35] <trygvis> hehe, yep [16:11:53] <Tempt> Laughed myself silly. [16:14:40] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [16:14:59] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [16:25:15] <dunc> :) [16:27:30] <Tempt> I'm now at the point of reading bash.org [16:33:41] *** swmackie has quit IRC [16:36:56] *** fgd has quit IRC [16:43:04] *** Auralis has quit IRC [16:43:27] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [16:46:17] *** paul__ is now known as paul [16:48:14] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [16:49:04] *** jpipkin has quit IRC [16:49:17] *** jpipkin has joined #opensolaris [16:51:09] *** cla has joined #opensolaris [16:55:58] *** kloczek has quit IRC [16:58:30] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [17:06:41] *** mikefut has joined #opensolaris [17:08:11] *** dunc has quit IRC [17:09:22] *** cmihai has quit IRC [17:16:45] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [17:18:42] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris [17:28:33] *** obsethryl has quit IRC [17:43:50] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [17:48:35] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [17:52:28] *** vmlemon has quit IRC [17:53:23] *** vmlemon has joined #opensolaris [17:58:26] <LuckyLuke> seems I'm not able to enable nfs/server on my sxce 67. svcs -x just tells me to look at http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-AR [17:58:34] <LuckyLuke> and that's not of much use. [17:58:35] <LuckyLuke> any idea? [17:58:40] *** theRealballchalk has left #opensolaris [18:01:20] <tomww> svcs -xv shuld tell a bit more... [18:01:24] <tomww> should [18:02:52] <LuckyLuke> nope: Reason: Unknown. [18:03:40] <tomww> there should be logfiles in the printout, what do they tell? [18:04:31] *** Reidms-420R has joined #opensolaris [18:05:06] <Reidms-420R> When I boot I get the error "Syslo [18:05:07] <LuckyLuke> no, it really doesn't tell anything. no logs, no reasons. Just 'See:' that url and nfsd manpage [18:05:17] <Reidms-420R> damn it type 5 keybaord.... [18:05:20] <Reidms-420R> board [18:06:40] <Reidms-420R> When I boot I get the error "syslogd warning loghost could not be identified"(the best I can remember the error) [18:06:51] *** derchris has quit IRC [18:07:02] <_mary_kate_> Reidms: add a loghost alias to /etc/hosts or remove the entry from /etc/syslog.conf [18:07:03] <Reidms-420R> Is there anyway to fix this or prevent it from showing at boot? [18:07:04] *** derchris has joined #opensolaris [18:07:45] <Reidms-420R> This has something to do with me editing /etc/nodename for my own hostname [18:07:49] <Reidms-420R> I think [18:07:59] <Reidms-420R> Thanks _mary_kate_ [18:10:21] <LuckyLuke> tomww: http://rafb.net/p/VqBK0V86.html [18:10:26] <LuckyLuke> boh. [18:10:45] <Reidms-420R> What do you mean by "loghost 'alias'" thought _mary_kate_ [18:10:52] <_mary_kate_> 10.0.0.2 loghost [18:11:14] <Reidms-420R> ok thanks Ill give her a reboot now [18:11:54] *** iMax has quit IRC [18:12:12] <Reidms-420R> This is a stupid question but replace 10.0.0.2 with 127.0.0.1? [18:12:31] <_mary_kate_> oh, don't do that. is 'loghost' already listed on 127.0.0.1? [18:12:50] <Reidms-420R> No [18:13:07] <Reidms-420R> nothing about loghost in /etc/hosts [18:13:19] <_mary_kate_> well, don't change 127.0.0.1. just add another line with the IP of your syslog server [18:13:22] <tomww> LuckyLuke: cat /etc/dfs/dfstab [18:13:23] *** jhawk has joined #opensolaris [18:13:32] <tomww> is dfstab empty at the moment? [18:14:27] <LuckyLuke> yes, only commented lines. I have sharenfs'ed two zfs filesystems, tough [18:14:40] <LuckyLuke> (that's why I'm trying to start the nfs server - to export stuff on zfs) [18:14:44] *** iMax has joined #opensolaris [18:15:10] <LuckyLuke> this is a fresh install of sxce67 from last week [18:15:30] <tomww> the nfs server should start automatlicly. so, the single command "share" has no output? [18:16:11] <LuckyLuke> no, it lists the two filesystems I tried to share [18:16:19] <Reidms-420R> _mary_kate_ my /etc/syslog.conf does not contain any information on the server IP of loghost--- is 10.0.0.2 the default? [18:17:02] <_mary_kate_> Reidms: no, i made that up. substitute the address of your actual syslog server. (if you don't have one, remove the @loghost bits from syslog.conf instead) [18:17:41] <LuckyLuke> tomww: http://rafb.net/p/J8VHZP14.txt [18:17:42] <LuckyLuke> like this. [18:17:51] *** jhawk has quit IRC [18:18:24] <tomww> LuckyLuke: if your use the command: dfshares localhost or dfshares yourhostname does this list the shares too? [18:19:01] *** cypromis has quit IRC [18:19:04] <LuckyLuke> it gives the same results as showmount, which I tried earlier: RPC: Program not registered [18:19:27] <LuckyLuke> it makes sense since I don't have any nfsd process running [18:19:52] <LuckyLuke> (but rpcbind seems to be ok) [18:21:32] *** Reidms-420R has left #opensolaris [18:21:33] <tomww> LuckyLuke: svcadm disable -s network/nfs/server; svcadm enable -r network/nfs/server [18:22:48] <tomww> any changes in the state of the svcs -xv network/nfs/server ? [18:22:48] <LuckyLuke> it just says 'svcadm: svc:/milestone/network depends on svc:/network/physical, which has multiple instances. [18:23:02] <LuckyLuke> and no changes in nfs/server [18:23:07] <LuckyLuke> still not running for unknown reason [18:23:32] <LuckyLuke> I looked also in dmesg and various files under var/adm and var/log but nothing speaks about nfs. [18:24:42] <LuckyLuke> oh, and everything remains the same if I set sharenfs=off for all my filesystems on zfs [18:25:01] <tomww> if your try a share -F nfs /tmp what happens? [18:26:21] <LuckyLuke> nothing on stdout/err. I then get the /tmp share in the output of 'share'. nfsd still not running. nfs/server still not running for unknown reason. [18:26:36] <LuckyLuke> this seems so strange that I'm thinking about trying a reboot :) [18:28:17] *** Reidms-420R has joined #opensolaris [18:28:37] <tomww> LuckyLuke: yes, worth a try. [18:28:53] <Reidms-420R> _mary_kate_ I now get syslogd : line 45 : no part action [18:29:22] <Reidms-420R> Was I supposed to remove the entire line? Or just the @loghost part from /etc/syslog.conf [18:33:53] *** GoodKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [18:39:06] *** jmcp has quit IRC [18:39:08] <Tempt> Man, still patching ... [18:39:33] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [18:39:51] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [18:39:52] *** GoodKarma is now known as BadKarma [18:40:47] <Reidms-420R> Could anyone tell me how to keep this from displaying? [18:40:47] <Reidms-420R> Jul 14 11:22:01 solaris syslogd: line 45: no action part [18:42:07] <Tempt> Get some action? [18:48:32] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [18:49:40] <Reidms-420R> lol [18:50:03] <Reidms-420R> Well I removed @loghost from the end of a line in /etc/syslong.conf [18:50:21] <Reidms-420R> Is there anyway to keep this from displaying at boot? [18:50:48] <Tempt> What was on line 45 of syslog.conf? [18:51:17] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [18:51:34] *** gaz__ has quit IRC [18:52:12] <Reidms-420R> mail.debug ifdef(`LOGHOST', /var/log/syslog) temp [18:52:18] <Reidms-420R> *Tempty [18:52:20] <Reidms-420R> damn it [18:52:23] <Reidms-420R> Tempt [18:52:30] <Reidms-420R> so just [18:52:31] <Tempt> spaces or tabs? [18:52:35] <Reidms-420R> mail.debug ifdef(`LOGHOST', /var/log/syslog) [18:52:52] <Reidms-420R> tabs [18:53:33] <Tempt> default should look like: [18:53:33] <Tempt> mail.debug ifdef(`LOGHOST', /var/log/syslog, @loghost) [18:53:48] <Reidms-420R> I removed @loghost [18:53:54] <Tempt> and it doesn't normally whine on boot. [18:54:07] <Tempt> err, you didn't yank loghost from /etc/hosts did you? [18:54:27] <Reidms-420R> Tempt- I do not think it was ever there [18:54:34] <Reidms-420R> I do not have a loghost server [18:54:35] <Tempt> The installer puts it there [18:54:42] <Reidms-420R> let me see [18:54:44] <Tempt> Should be on the same line as your hostname [18:54:53] <Reidms-420R> HA! [18:55:05] <Reidms-420R> I have to override my hostname with /etc/nodename [18:55:14] <Reidms-420R> else it is "unkown" [18:55:17] <Tempt> "override" your hostname? [18:55:23] <Tempt> The hostname is *defined* in /etc/nodename. [18:55:43] <Tempt> Your hostname should be in /etc/hosts [18:55:44] <Reidms-420R> oh :p [18:55:45] *** henriknj has joined #opensolaris [18:55:52] <Tempt> and your primary interface should reference that hostname. [18:56:08] <Reidms-420R> so remove /etc/nodename? [18:56:12] <Tempt> NO. [18:56:21] <Tempt> As I said, the hostname is defined in /etc/nodename [18:56:27] <Tempt> That's what gives the machine a hostname. [18:56:52] <Reidms-420R> These are my /etc/hosts lines [18:56:55] <Reidms-420R> ::1 localhost [18:56:55] <Reidms-420R> 127.0.0.1 localhost [18:57:08] <Tempt> and? [18:57:11] <Tempt> the rest? [18:57:14] <Reidms-420R> Thats it [18:57:21] <Reidms-420R> rest is commented [18:57:21] <Tempt> Using DHCP? [18:57:24] <Reidms-420R> aye [18:57:34] <Tempt> Ah, well, can't really help you then. [18:57:41] <Tempt> I've never bothered using dhcp with a Solaris host. [18:57:56] <Reidms-420R> Hmm should I do system-unconfigure [18:57:57] *** mikefut has quit IRC [18:58:04] <Tempt> No. [18:58:12] <Tempt> add loghost to the end of your localhost line [18:58:42] <Reidms-420R> 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost [18:58:47] <Reidms-420R> correct? [19:00:01] <Tempt> That'll do. [19:01:04] <Reidms-420R> Whats the chmod for root read/write [19:01:06] <Reidms-420R> ? [19:01:07] <Reidms-420R> :p [19:01:29] <Tempt> Oh, c'mon. [19:01:34] <Tempt> You get to look that one up yourself. [19:02:02] <Reidms-420R> (I usually 777 shit and wait for my server to be cracked) [19:02:42] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [19:06:08] <Reidms-420R> 640? [19:06:44] <Tempt> man chmod [19:06:52] <LuckyLuke> argh. http://rafb.net/p/qpklxh73.txt [19:07:16] <LuckyLuke> I'm a beginner with solaris, but I think I can say this is weird! [19:08:13] <Reidms-420R> Cool thanks for your help Tempt! [19:08:32] *** Reidms-420R has left #opensolaris [19:08:35] <LuckyLuke> ah no, now it disables itself because 'No NFS filesystems are shared'. Gonna try and enable some... [19:08:50] <Tempt> vi /etc/dfs/dfstab [19:09:08] <LuckyLuke> the file tells to not edit it :) I used share -F nfs /tmp [19:09:51] <LuckyLuke> now seems it is working. it needed a reboot to start working. hope solaris will not become like windows! [19:09:55] <LuckyLuke> :D [19:10:00] *** bengtf_ has quit IRC [19:10:14] <Tempt> err [19:10:27] <Tempt> since when did dfstab stop being the place to set your nfs exports? [19:10:30] <Tempt> pastebin it. [19:10:37] <_mary_kate_> probably when shareadm came in :) [19:10:46] <Tempt> When did shareadm come in? :) [19:10:58] <_mary_kate_> or sharemgr or whatever it is. some recentish nevada [19:10:59] <Tempt> (and what was wrong with dfstab?) [19:11:12] <Auralis> dfstab is the place for nfs exports since the dawn of time [19:11:41] <Tempt> Auralis: Apparently this is "out with the old, in with the new". Editing text files just isn't cool anymore. [19:12:02] <LuckyLuke> Tempt: now it says to use sharemgr, and that "This file is reconstructed and only maintained for backward compatibility. Configuration lines could be lost." [19:12:28] <Tempt> Alright, that makes things "fun". [19:12:42] <Tempt> Where is the configuration for nfs now? [19:12:47] *** Murmuria has quit IRC [19:13:11] <Auralis> if its some kind of binary or xml crap someone should be shot [19:14:01] <Tempt> This whole "don't edit the files" thing is getting pesky. [19:14:15] <Tempt> Waving vi at /etc/zones/* is much easier than messing around with zonecfg. [19:14:26] <Tempt> (for example). [19:14:31] <LuckyLuke> it's like OOP philosophy, you don't access resources directly, you use interfaces to access them :) [19:14:37] <Tempt> Nah. [19:14:47] *** sioraiocht has quit IRC [19:14:53] <Tempt> It's probably because too many twits hosed their systems with bad edits and logged support cases over it. [19:23:31] *** snappy has joined #opensolaris [19:23:47] <richlowe> No. [19:23:58] <richlowe> It's because those files are not an interface, but an implementation detail [19:24:02] <richlowe> and may change at any time [19:24:23] <richlowe> it's to *prevent* twits mucking around and breaking stuff, and/or stuff they mucked around with being broken. [19:24:57] <Tempt> And I'm saying (in my opinion) that config files should be a stable interface. [19:25:51] <Tempt> and pulling stable interfaces out and replacing them with yet another management tool is a PITA. [19:35:01] <jbk> the problem with config data being stored in a binary format is that it can be difficult to repair, or when things are stored in the format beyond what is accessable with whatever admin interface exists for it [19:37:40] *** rachel_ has quit IRC [19:37:47] <CSFrost> Anyone using a thermal wax printer? [19:38:50] <Tempt> Tektronix? [19:39:15] <CSFrost> yea, a few brands make them, but that's definately one of them :-) [19:39:54] <Tempt> Used them before. I quite like them. [19:40:05] <CSFrost> Been thinking about picking one up.. [19:40:18] <Tempt> Make sure you get plenty of crayons with it. [19:40:58] <CSFrost> Is there any that you can just feed crayons to? :-P [19:43:19] <LeftWing> The Crayola 4000. [19:43:21] <CSFrost> I am just kind of looking.. I haven't been able to find much in the way of selection for wax printers [19:44:20] <Tempt> Hey LeftWing. [19:44:25] <LuckyLuke> the bandwidth in 'zpool iostat' is per second or per interval? [19:44:25] <LeftWing> Hi. [19:44:51] <LuckyLuke> man page doesn't tell [19:44:56] <Tempt> LeftWing: Come and make my patches install faster. [19:45:12] <LeftWing> Tempt: I would, except that I don't actually use your machine and as such don't care. ;) [19:45:38] <Tempt> LeftWing: I've been without decent computing power for *hours* now. [19:45:51] <LeftWing> That'll learn you for putting all of your faith into the 880. [19:46:14] <Tempt> Pretty much. [19:46:19] <Tempt> I think I'll have to get another one. [19:46:28] <LeftWing> haha [19:48:34] <Tempt> I'm really regretting using so many zones. [19:48:55] <LeftWing> As well as infrequent patching? :P [19:49:03] <LuckyLuke> I have a ZFS fs on sxce67, exported with NFS, mounted on a freebsd, and I'm coping stuff with rsync from a local disk to the nfs mounted on the freebsd. rsync says (per-file) more or less 4MiB/sec. mrtg reading net-snmp on the freebsd says 31.5Mbit/s out on the ethernet. zpool iostat 10 says bandwidth write = 8M, zpool iostat 20 says the same. [19:49:30] <Tempt> LeftWing: The patching would take an hour without zones. [19:49:31] <LuckyLuke> 4MiB/sec agrees with mrtg ~ 32Mbit/sec, but I can't really understand the zpool iostat... [19:49:45] <CSFrost> no crayonfed printers evidently, such a pitty :-( [19:49:49] <LeftWing> Tempt: How many zones do you have? [19:49:55] <LuckyLuke> seems it's writing more than twice the data I send to it? [19:50:17] <Tempt> LeftWing: About 24 [19:51:00] <LeftWing> Tempt: So it's going to take around 24 hours, assuming it's roughly O(n) [19:51:20] <Tempt> I'll probably just give up at the next patch that requires an immediate reboot. [19:51:40] <LeftWing> heh [19:51:51] <richlowe> LuckyLuke: does the pool happen to be a mirror? :) [19:51:57] <LuckyLuke> no, raidz [19:52:00] <Tempt> Then transition everything in zones that doesn't need to be in a zone the hell out and only keep the zones I absolutely need. [19:52:01] <LuckyLuke> on 4 disks [19:52:16] <LuckyLuke> it should write to disk 4/3 the data I send to it, I think [19:52:21] <LuckyLuke> not 7/3 :D [19:52:40] <LuckyLuke> actually I should gain some 1~2% from zfs compression. [19:53:14] <LuckyLuke> dinner time here. I'll think about it later :) [19:53:18] <LeftWing> Tempt: LU support for Zones will ease the pain, I should think. [19:54:38] *** Drone has quit IRC [19:55:05] <Tempt> LeftWing: Up watching telly again? [19:55:30] <LeftWing> Nope, playing with Java object (database) persistence. [19:56:21] <Tempt> LeftWing: Thrill a minute! [19:56:40] <Tempt> LeftWing: Having watched Hot Fuzz and The Departed, I've moved into Ice Age 2. [19:56:53] <LeftWing> Hot Fuzz is great. [19:57:01] <Tempt> Hysterical. [19:57:16] *** sioraiocht has joined #opensolaris [19:58:41] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [19:59:06] <Tempt> I actually thought my patches would be complete by the end of the second movie. [19:59:17] <Tempt> At this rate I'll be watching teev non-stop for the next couple of days. [20:00:05] <LeftWing> haha [20:00:16] <LeftWing> Well as it's four in the morning I think I might get some sleep. [20:00:21] * LeftWing & [20:00:25] <Tempt> Nah, watch teev! 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How can I do this ? sendmail (didnt change much on default config ) [21:59:36] *** pudpud has joined #opensolaris [22:01:51] <_mary_kate_> does sendmail even support maildir? [22:01:56] <_mary_kate_> suggest installing postfix, it's easy [22:02:24] <emergo> _mary_kate_: I've installed courier imap [22:02:27] *** anilg has left #opensolaris [22:02:47] <emergo> it work from befor but I just added a new user but doesnt help for that user [22:03:31] <emergo> hmm, you see I dont remember how I set it up [22:03:36] <emergo> stupid ... [22:03:53] <_mary_kate_> emergo: do you got a ~/.forward for the user that works? [22:03:56] <_mary_kate_> maybe it's using procmail [22:04:47] <emergo> so you mean I can use a .forward file to forward to Maildir [22:04:51] <emergo> checking [22:04:56] *** Plouj has left #opensolaris [22:05:04] <emergo> aah ! [22:05:15] <emergo> |procmail is in .forward ... [22:05:20] <_mary_kate_> right [22:05:23] <emergo> that explains ALL [22:05:24] <_mary_kate_> copy that and .procmailrc to the new user :) [22:05:32] <emergo> shame I forgot this [22:05:33] <_mary_kate_> (or install postfix, which supports maildir out of the box) [22:06:00] <emergo> _mary_kate_: thank you [22:11:02] <emergo> _mary_kate_: do I have to restart postfix service of some sort aswell ? [22:12:41] <_mary_kate_> to do what? 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