[00:00:30] <CIA-26> johnlev: 6579754 eeprom made set-gid bin instead of sys
[00:00:31] <CIA-26> raghuram: 6519849 vnet hot lock in vnet_m_tx affecting performance.
[00:01:00] <esaxe> hey, that's cool. :)
[00:04:19] <palowoda> You want to try it?
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[00:04:32] <dlg> gdamore?
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[00:11:44] <esaxe> try what?
[00:12:33] <palowoda> Surf fishing extreme style.
[00:15:12] <palowoda> One day out on the rocks I'll supply all the equipment.
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[00:19:01] <esaxe> extreme style eh. :) Where do you go?
[00:21:05] <palowoda> Salt Point, about 30 miles north of Bodega Bay.  Deep water off the edge.  Lots of fish.
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[00:23:14] <palowoda> Here a short video of what you would encounter.  http://www.fiver.net/misc/fishing.mpg
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[00:26:38] <esaxe> cool. It's downloading, and I have to head off to my 3:30 ;P
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[00:30:07] <nachox> evening people
[00:37:06] <Tpenta> how did it go last night glynn?
[00:37:09] <Tpenta> hey nachox
[00:38:07] * nachox slaps his head, the opensolaris-gnome event was yesterday!
[00:38:59] * wesolows imagines a room full of 2000 1/2-meter high stone men wearing conical red hats and opensolaris T-shirts
[00:39:35] <nachox> easter island?
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[00:48:31] <dlg> wesolows: thats an awesome image
[00:48:56] <dlg> esp if they had lasers for eyes, and they shuffled around as you tried to move through them
[00:49:07] <wesolows> yes
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[00:50:22] <dlg> mark taylor is my new favourite person at sun today
[00:51:13] <wesolows> we have 4 of them
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[00:51:56] <dlg> the director of throughput networking one
[00:52:36] <wesolows> ok
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[00:55:59] <Tpenta> 'ello tim
[00:56:07] <Tpenta> hey keith
[00:56:15] <timsf> hi there
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[00:58:51] <sahafeez> anyone point me to the specs for the 711 12 and 6 bay mutlipacks. i am blind or something becuase i cannot find it.
[00:59:03] <seanmcg> timsf: I now know what a real nerdy family is like :)
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[00:59:16] <timsf> It's all relative.
[00:59:24] <timsf>  (cough, pun intended)
[01:00:28] <CIA-26> krgopi: 6568417 ip:ip_squeue_soft_ring_affinity() panics during plumbing network cards
[01:01:17] <nachox> wesolows, i just want sharks with lasers, i dont care about gnomes :)
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[01:04:13] <nachox> that's weird, why is it that every time i think about sharks with lasers the next word in mi mind is lawyers?
[01:04:27] <nachox> *my
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[01:05:17] <Tpenta> the joke perhaps? Why don't sharks eat lawyers?
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[01:05:22] <Tpenta> professional coutesy
[01:05:29] <LeftWing> hah
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[01:06:26] <nachox> hehe
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[01:13:56] <nachox> nice, lustre will be using zfs... in linux, i wonder when they ported it
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[01:41:30] <CSFrost> Well, I have my dumb question for the day.. I notice perl, python, java (go figure), are included in sxce, but why, no ruby?
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[01:41:53] <_mary_kate_> no-one ues ruby
[01:41:53] <_mary_kate_> :)
[01:42:22] <CSFrost> Well, considering it's mentioned on 50% of the users on blogs.sun.com I figured it would be a shoe-in.
[01:42:34] <nachox> they decided to cut back on space usage on the dvd? :)
[01:43:13] <CSFrost> I don't mind compiling it on every machine.. but I'd rather have the other junk missing also :-)
[01:44:07] <nachox> why dont you compile it in just one machine and make a package?, you can install the package in the rest
[01:44:57] <wesolows> the fact that people who blog 4 or 5 times a day writes about ruby a lot might just mean that the only people who use ruby are people who don't actually do anything useful.
[01:45:30] <purserj> I like to think of it as topping up the angst level of the blogosphere
[01:45:54] <CSFrost> wesolows, even though sun sponsors half the ruby conferences, and even have a jruby team? :-)
[01:46:24] <wesolows> CSFrost: I said might.  It's one possible theory.  As we all know, everyone employed by Sun works like a madman 24/7.
[01:47:12] <nachox> of course those guys blog from their homes and not on their working time
[01:47:25] <comay> CSFrost: i expect you'll see ruby in sxce not too far off in the future
[01:47:59] <CSFrost> I don't mind packing something and installing it either.. I just notice a lot of other junk is in the sxce installation, yet not 4mb (or whatever) of rubyness :-P
[01:48:15] <alanc> ruby's popularity is rather recent, give it some time to get in
[01:48:21] <CSFrost> comay, thanks :-)
[01:48:35] <alanc> perl/python/Java all have been in heavy use much longer
[01:48:50] <CSFrost> I know some of the first Tokyo ruby meetings I attended were swamped with.. like.. well 5 members.. but that was a while ago
[01:49:09] <nachox> small places? :)
[01:50:04] <CSFrost> alanc, I know it's more recent.. but a lot of ruby users are on solaris to be honest, and I figured it would have been pushed in sooner :-)
[01:50:17] * Gman has SFEruby :)
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[01:51:27] <alanc> there's a lot of work to update the "AMP" stack right now, maybe once that's not so out-of-date
[01:51:49] * alanc is just guessing though, haven't actually asked
[01:51:55] <wesolows> Because, of course, "out of date" means that it no longer works.
[01:52:28] <wesolows> All open source software has ShareWare-style expiration dates now; after 6 months it doesn't work any more.
[01:52:43] <CSFrost> I am not too upset over it or anything... just noticed I found myself doing the same thing over and over.. :-)
[01:52:45] <wesolows> Unlike ShareWare, though, paying a fee doesn't get rid of it.
[01:52:55] <alanc> it doesn't work for people trying to use other packages built on newer versions
[01:53:33] <wesolows> Binaries built against S11 libc don't run on S10, either.
[01:53:36] <wesolows> So what?
[01:53:51] <Gman> no open source developer wants to waste their time supporting code they've either rewritten or fixed
[01:54:13] <wesolows> Gman: That's very true.  So write it correctly the first time.
[01:54:23] <Gman> :)
[01:54:40] <CSFrost> Well, as long as Ruby isn't being built on solaris8, and then bundled into sxce, I'll be happy.
[01:54:47] <alanc> does it hurt to update it?   (besides "a lot of work" is mainly 1 person, though that's 1/2 of the full-time SFW staff)
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[01:55:30] <Gman> alanc, if you don't have to review the code, updating it should only take a half day :)
[01:55:40] <wesolows> alanc: That's the right question to ask.  Unfortunately, since no one reads the code before splatting it into SFW, and there are basically no regression test suites for any of it, we can't answer that question.
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[01:56:10] <wesolows> alanc: When zero data is available, prudence dictates avoiding random change.
[01:56:43] <Beholder> I'm trying to install OpenSolaris on a Netra T1 200, but I keep getting "Error in calc_mcr3 ()" any ideas?
[01:56:53] * Gman hopes wesolows got to proof read 'beautiful code'
[01:57:24] <wesolows> Beholder: Hard to know; I can't find that symbol anywhere in ON.  In what context does the error occur?
[01:57:32] <CSFrost> Oh, that's that new book on Squeak, right?
[01:57:39] <wesolows> Gman: No, I heard that there was one editor per chapter.
[01:57:47] <wesolows> Gman: I did proofread Bryan's piece, though.
[01:58:05] <Beholder> wesolows: It's right after I type poweron at the lom prompt
[01:58:24] <wesolows> Beholder: Call your hardware support partner.
[01:58:36] <Beholder> wesolows: It's a $25 box I got off ebay :)
[01:58:37] <wesolows> Beholder: I'm afraid that's happening before you get to anything in OpenSolaris.
[01:58:46] <alanc> Gman: the ARC reviews took much longer than half a day - I don't know what's taken so long beyond that (had lunch with Stefan today, but talked about SPARC graphics, not his AMP work)
[01:58:51] <Beholder> wesolows: Yeah it seems to be.  I'm not even in OF yet at that point
[01:59:32] <Gman> alanc, [shrug]
[02:00:15] <CSFrost> I've been working for 383 days on this hello world program..
[02:02:29] <nachox> the eternal fight between marketing that wants the latest and engineering that wants whatever works better (and is tested) :)
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[02:05:01] <Beholder> wesolows: Ok I found my problem, sorry for being an idiot.  The system is detecting no ram at all.  So these DIMM's I pulled out of a PC don't seem to be working with the box :)
[02:05:13] <wesolows> yep, that makes sense
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[02:12:10] <Beholder> Wow, I finally find a dimm that works, and it turns out it has a fault :)
[02:12:17] <Tempt> Morning all
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[02:26:19] <CSFrost> Morning Tempt
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[02:39:51] <richlowe> dmarker: ping?
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[02:46:49] <dmarker> ping?
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[03:00:29] <CIA-26> dm120769: backout 6520726: causes 6579374
[03:00:30] <CIA-26> raghuram: 6519849 vnet hot lock in vnet_m_tx affecting performance. (fix cstyle)
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[03:54:02] <axisys> jamesd: hey i like your zfs snapshot cronjob.. lot simpler
[03:54:31] <jamesd> axisys, thanks, i like how it gets rid of old ones automaticly
[03:55:02] <axisys> jamesd: hmm.. i was gonna ask u how do u get rid of older ones
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[03:55:08] <axisys> jamesd: heh
[03:55:09] <richlowe> Yeah, that's a point.
[03:55:17] <richlowe> I should garbage collect the snapshots underlying these clones.
[03:55:30] <jamesd> axisys, it  over writes them... day-1  is over wrote  1 month later...
[03:55:52] <axisys> jamesd: hmm.. i wanted to keep 7 days..
[03:56:02] <axisys> are u using gnu date?
[03:56:42] <axisys> i get date value become like this DAY13-TIME-01:44
[03:57:21] <axisys> i guess i will use day of the week
[03:57:35] <axisys> so new monday will overwrite old monday
[03:59:05] <axisys> +%a that should do it
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[04:02:38] <jamesd> axisys, yes i just figured it out :-) i had a  whole  blog entry on that...  but i can't find it
[04:04:08] <axisys> jamesd: thnx a lot
[04:04:20] <jamesd> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/11/cool-zfs-tricks.html  see the end of that entry...
[04:04:45] <axisys> jamesd: it is lot simpler really than using the autozfs snapshot .. i can easily troubleshooy when it breaks
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[04:06:34] <jamesd> i like to use this  my  snaphere script, http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/07/making-zfs-snapshots-easier.html  you can basicly  type snaphere and it will take a snapshot  of the current zfs filesystem you are cd'd too.
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[04:09:38] <axisys> jamesd: pretty cool
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[04:35:47] <axisys> jamesd: hey do u have any script to rotate apache2 logs and keep for 7 days on sol 10 ?
[04:35:56] <richlowe> use logrotate.
[04:36:13] <richlowe> uh, logadm rather.
[04:36:15] <richlowe> (oops)
[04:36:17] <axisys> richlowe: how about logadm that comes with sol 10 ? will that be any good?
[04:36:25] <axisys> :-)
[04:36:33] <richlowe> Yeah, blame my lack of typing ability.
[04:36:38] <richlowe> that's the one I meant :)
[04:37:01] <nachox> lies, youre linux tainted! :P
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[04:37:49] <axisys> so my logs look like this .. http://rafb.net/p/1kT0bo30.html
[04:38:07] <axisys> so i guess i need to play with reg expression to delete old logs
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[04:40:52] <nachox> list the logs ordered by date,  use tail to get the old ones and remove them
[04:40:59] <nachox> no regexps there
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[04:43:17] <bda> Or find -ctime .. -exec .. :P
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[04:53:04] <axisys> bda: how do craft that inside logadm?
[04:53:20] <axisys> bda: found my answer
[04:53:39] <nachox> axisys, ther is a fine bigadmin article about it
[04:54:08] <axisys> nachox: there is ?
[04:54:19] <axisys> nachox: on apache log rotate by logadm ?
[04:55:20] <nachox> no, sshd, http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/solaris_logadm.html
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[05:11:05] <CSFrost> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPhone-and-Blendtec-Total-Blender_W0QQitemZ170129995323QQihZ007QQcategoryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:11:14] <CSFrost> He really did put it on ebay..
[05:13:02] <hile_> uh, it's a phone
[05:13:07] <hile_> who cares
[05:13:22] <_mary_kate_> but its an iphone!! omg
[05:15:19] <richlowe> Hrm, this would be easier if I could see the rest of this bug.
[05:15:43] <richlowe> and if the obvious bug interfaces weren't asleep.
[05:16:13] <CSFrost> hile_ actually it's the remains of the phone, it's not actually useable
[05:16:24] <hile_> you're shitting me
[05:16:33] <hile_> some dumbfuck paid $570 for that?!?
[05:16:44] <CSFrost> You didn't see the video? he BLENDED the iphone
[05:17:00] <hile_> no, i didn't
[05:17:03] <hile_> that's fucking hilarious
[05:17:08] <CSFrost> http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone
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[05:21:29] <RobG> With SunStudio how do I find out what the compiler predefines (e.g. __sparc __x86)
[05:22:01] <_mary_kate_> RobG: cc -# whatever.c, or look at the manual page
[05:22:40] <RobG> couldn;t find it on man
[05:22:57] <RobG> though I'm sure it should/is in there somewhere
[05:25:40] <richlowe> __SUNPRO_C=<version>
[05:26:10] <richlowe> Oh, someone else was asking for that, not you.
[05:26:45] <richlowe> RobG: -# is in the manpage, the answer isn't, I don't think.
[05:26:52] <richlowe> however, beware, 'man cc' tends to give you cc(1B) first.
[05:27:01] <richlowe> despite cc(1B) being absolutely without use.
[05:28:11] <RobG> richlowe: Ahhh that probably explains why I couldn't find it ;-)
[05:29:29] <RobG> Stange that is defines __SunOS __sun __unix __SunOS_5_10 but nowhere does it define __solaris !!
[05:31:31] <nachox> SunOS_5_10 used to be enough till people started creating distributions
[05:31:36] <nachox> :)
[05:32:46] <richlowe> compiler pre-defines will never be "enough" in the face of distributions.
[05:32:49] <richlowe> just as it isn't on Linux.
[05:33:17] <richlowe> the OS name (and version) become almost instantly meaningless.
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[05:38:32] * RobG just wanted to find some info and not start a religious war
[05:38:57] <RobG> or cause stabbings and other forms of bloodshed
[05:39:49] <richlowe> Tempt: it's not as if it was by anything other than chance, anyway.
[05:40:06] <richlowe> you can't find specifics because SunOS==5.10 anyway, everything else aside.
[05:40:17] <richlowe> consider the number of features coming back in updates and (*spit*) patches these days.
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[05:42:49] <nachox> RobG, no, emacs-vi, solaris-linux, gcc-sunStudio, (shilly or ksh93 or nevada)-* all cause religious wars
[05:43:03] <nachox> s/nevada/indiana/
[05:43:25] <richlowe> You see that last line?
[05:43:28] <richlowe> the replacement?
[05:43:33] <richlowe> *that*'s one that would cause an unholy war :)
[05:44:03] <nachox> i say sed regexps are much better that perl regexps
[05:44:10] <nachox> :P
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[05:45:20] <RobG> Can't we just go back to using ZX-81s and all be friends?
[05:46:10] <sommerfeld> porting based on CPP predefines is unreliable
[05:46:46] <richlowe> sommerfeld: just the man!
[05:47:03] <richlowe> sommerfeld: could you mail me the specifics of 6266590?
[05:47:11] <richlowe> sommerfeld: the b.o.o visible bits are very very sparse.
[05:47:22] <richlowe> sommerfeld: (it's one of the bugs you asked me to be careful not to reintroduce)
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[05:49:24] <gba> Ohh, no, no, no : http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1263867,00.html
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[05:54:22] <richlowe> Oh good, that argument again.
[05:54:42] <nachox> blame gman :)
[05:54:51] <richlowe> Oh, I do.
[05:54:54] <richlowe> pretty much every time he's around.
[05:54:59] <richlowe> and for anything.
[05:55:23] <nachox> how much do you have to blame a guy before inducing suicide?
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[05:58:03] <Tempt> nachox: 42.
[05:58:53] <chadz> could anyone point me in the best direction for a consolidating resource for installing and using zfs?
[06:00:15] <Tempt> ZFS is installed and ready to go by default.
[06:00:32] <Tempt> and I believe Brendan has some documentation up on using ZFS at www.brendangregg.com
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[06:01:26] <sommerfeld> richlowe: sec
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[06:07:41] <sommerfeld> richlowe: incoming!
[06:08:04] <richlowe> sommerfeld: thanks.
[06:08:33] <sommerfeld> always doing the compiler version check after creating/updating the workspace would solve the same problem with less mechanism.
[06:09:40] <richlowe> Yeah, that's what I ended up doing (as you advised before)
[06:09:52] <richlowe> I'd thought the bug was regarding something slightly different, though, so I'm glad I checked.
[06:10:16] <richlowe> (the way I'd parsed "empty ws" was "existing, but empty directory")
[06:11:40] <matsutsu> hello guys..
[06:11:57] <sommerfeld> well, same problem either way -- neither one has a usr/src/Makefile
[06:12:54] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Yeah, I had thought the entire point of the bug was it failing in the latter but not the former. :)
[06:13:02] <richlowe> one of the many perils of b.o.o
[06:13:14] <richlowe> some you can't see, some you can see just enough to misunderstand completely :)
[06:15:31] <sommerfeld> yup...
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[06:17:53] <axisys> i got the apache rotattion setup `apache -A 1m -t '/var/apache2/logs/*{access,error}.%Y%d%m' '
[06:18:25] <axisys> i had to modify the rotatelogs inside apache to add the .%Y%d%m
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[07:06:13] <_mary_kate_> hmm, can i ask LSI for support on their cards in sun systems, or do i have to ask sun?
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[07:12:17] <chadz> is there a way to force pkg-get to install/upgrade something?
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[07:23:07] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: LSI cards already work in Sun systems.
[07:23:21] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: And they happily accept support requests even without a contract.
[07:23:34] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: And if the problem is random screwups with a SAS controller, update the firmware.
[07:23:41] <_mary_kate_> it's not.  :)
[07:23:46] <_mary_kate_> i need to rtfm first anyway
[07:23:52] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Just not working?
[07:24:07] <_mary_kate_> works fine - just need to know how to hot swap a disk
[07:24:18] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: cfgadm -c unconfigure?
[07:24:20] <richlowe> cfgadm?
[07:24:28] <_mary_kate_> it's in a hardware raid array
[07:24:33] <_mary_kate_> so i don't think that'll work :)
[07:24:33] <richlowe> Ah.
[07:24:35] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: lsiutil
[07:24:37] <richlowe> raidctl?
[07:24:41] <richlowe> (random guess)
[07:24:46] <_mary_kate_> yeah, i saw "offline disk" and "replace disk" in lsiutil
[07:24:52] <_mary_kate_> i'm guessing the second is the one i want.
[07:24:55] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Well, there you go.
[07:25:06] <_mary_kate_> but i don't like to play guessing with data ;-)
[07:25:17] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Just make sure you replace the right disk! ;)
[07:25:18] <richlowe> data is ephemeral.
[07:25:32] <Tempt> s/data/other people's data/
[07:25:56] <_mary_kate_> Tempt: i'm hoping it'll quiesce the disk, so i can just say "remove the one without the blinking light" :)
[07:26:11] <richlowe> me> There's a work-around?
[07:26:18] <richlowe> someonelse> Oh, the workaround was "don't do that"
[07:26:21] <richlowe> ...
[07:26:51] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Aah, that's a good plan.
[07:27:00] <Tempt> _mary_kate_: Unless it blinks the light to tell you which one to replace!
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[07:28:00] <_mary_kate_> oh well, it's raid 10, there's a 66% chance removing the wrong disk will leave a functional twin :)
[07:30:50] <chadz> phmm, i deleted some files belonging to a CSW package, and i can't seem to restore them by reinstalling the package (since it wont let me)
[07:30:51] <bda> That's the spirit.
[07:31:08] <chadz> and i can't seem to find a relevant pkg* command or option to force an install
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[07:35:36] <_mary_kate_> heh - i hope lsiutil works, seems there's no way to get the serial number in software :)
[07:35:47] <_mary_kate_> having to remove the card to ask how to hot swap it would be amusing, but annoying.
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[08:50:06] <p-a-venk> i downloaded the CD1 of Nevada build 68 yesterday, but the downloaded file's md5sum did not match with the one given at sdlc, so now when i go to download it again, the download page says "the product you requested is not available at this time".. is some new build coming up or so?
[08:50:21] <Fish> hello
[08:50:30] <richlowe> Hrm, I see b68 being there.
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[08:50:51] <richlowe> p-a-venk: the scripts that drive the downloads bugged.
[08:50:58] <richlowe> they appear to be looking for b77 right now.
[08:51:03] <richlowe> which won't exist for a couple of months. :)
[08:51:05] <richlowe> give me a second.
[08:52:17] <richlowe> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b68-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try
[08:52:28] <richlowe> that's the DVD link, remove the "-DVD" bit, for the CD link
[08:52:50] <p-a-venk> i'll try
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[08:53:52] <e^ipi> opensolaris.org/sxce_dvd works as well
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[08:54:35] <e^ipi> though it appears someone's broken the link and it's currently pointing at build 77
[08:54:40] <e^ipi> which isn't availiable yet
[08:54:51] <e^ipi> i'm going to blame stevel
[08:56:56] <p-a-venk> i could download the DVD as well, but i and my friend are downloading three CDs each.. so that we can save some time.. we have an 128k connection here :/
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[08:59:13] <mstoian> I have an Areca raid controller and I want to make a raid 1
[08:59:19] <p-a-venk> replacing the -DVD bit with -CD doesn't seem to work.. wget says unable to establish SSL connection.  perhaps i should try downloading this CD later?
[08:59:40] <mstoian> I understood that Areca is supported by Solaris, but the OS does not see my hard drives
[08:59:47] <loke> p-a-venk: I believe you have to download using the linkfrom the web page
[08:59:48] <loke> not using wget
[08:59:54] <loke> it requires the cookies
[08:59:56] <mstoian> any ideea how can I make the hardware riad?
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[09:00:21] <richlowe> e^ipi: the link is a script which poles sdlc
[09:00:30] <richlowe> e^ipi: in the face of badness, it sometimes starts running ahead.
[09:00:42] <richlowe> (often, far more ahead than this, I've seen it in triple digits)
[09:01:11] <richlowe> p-a-venk: don't replace DVD with CD, just removed the DVD bit.
[09:01:45] <richlowe> and avoid wget, SDLC is crazy and does just about anything possible to be a pain in the ass.
[09:01:54] <richlowe> certainly, don't just change the first URL to get the other bits.
[09:02:07] <richlowe> given that causes it just download the first disk again.
[09:02:52] <renihs> why isnt there any discussion about proj, indiana going on in here?
[09:03:42] <richlowe> Because we have better things to argue about. :)
[09:03:58] <richlowe> and more important things to do, in many cases.
[09:05:12] <p-a-venk> richlowe: hmm, i had tried sdm also, but it won't install on my system (debian lenny) so i asked here yesterday how to get it done with wget and followed their suggestions only
[09:06:14] <p-a-venk> but yes, so far the sdlc has made it a painful experience to download
[09:06:51] <richlowe> p-a-venk: To use wget, you end up having to hit the page, hit the accept checkbox, then copy and paste each link to wget <that url> -O <filename>
[09:07:04] <richlowe> the -O is necessary, or it tries to use an insanely long filename.
[09:07:37] <p-a-venk> yes, i did just that.. i suspect something had went wrong in the 12 hours that the CD1 took to download
[09:08:08] <richlowe> given how SDLC has been misbehaving the last couple of days, almost certainly :\
[09:08:41] <palowoda> Yes it has.  It drop the connection twice on me yesterday when getting some images at random spots.
[09:08:53] <palowoda> No errors either.
[09:09:17] <richlowe> palowoda: I had it spit out vague error codes for most downloads, at one point.
[09:09:22] <renihs> richlowe, i dont doubt that but still
[09:09:29] <richlowe> apparently the SDLC learned their error reporting magic from Oracle.
[09:09:38] <richlowe> by which I mean, it says "Error" and then a long hex integer.
[09:09:46] <renihs> some chatting might/should be initiated someday for me to have something to read up upon
[09:12:28] <p-a-venk> the CD2.iso.zip is also showing a different md5sum.  would that mean CD2 also be downloaded again?
[09:12:46] <p-a-venk> it completed downloading just a fewminutes ago
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[09:13:23] <richlowe> renihs: most of what you'd see in here are complaints anyway.
[09:13:29] <richlowe> renihs: I'm not sure if/where useful things maybe said.
[09:13:48] <renihs> general opinions on the subject would suffice :p
[09:13:58] <renihs> even problems/complaints :p
[09:14:28] <palowoda> Ah they are using att.net.  That explains it.
[09:14:31] <renihs> i am unsure what to think about that project, waiting for some other thoughts to trigger an reaction
[09:16:03] <palowoda> Just joking, but who is the 12.125.159 block.
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[09:18:51] <palowoda> Oh crap it is att.net.
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[09:20:18] <trochej>   	 The product you requested is not available at this time.
[09:20:18] <trochej>   	warning:  	Sol-Express_b77-DVD-x86-SP-G-B
[09:20:22] <trochej>  :)
[09:21:00] <palowoda> b77?
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[09:22:02] <trochej> I don't know, I just follow a link :)
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[09:23:57] <trochej> So, what would be a proper link for that one? :)
[09:24:03] <richlowe> trochej: scroll up. :)
[09:24:22] <trochej> richlowe: ok
[09:24:23] <trochej> :)
[09:25:05] <trochej> got it
[09:25:06] <trochej> thanks
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[09:26:29] <andyshack> do redundant power supplies increase power consumption by much ?
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[09:33:22] <trochej> Don't know :)
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[09:33:22] <trochej> Probably depends on how big they are :)
[09:33:51] <renihs> measure it i would say
[09:33:57] <renihs> i doubt the drain *alot* less..
[09:34:00] <renihs> they
[09:35:28] <trochej> One of these http://www.eltekenergy.pl/index.php?doc_id=p301
[09:35:35] <trochej> may make a difference, you know :)
[09:35:53] <renihs> :p
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[09:37:10] <trochej> Actually, I got myself one. :)
[09:37:11] <andyshack> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/
[09:37:22] <andyshack> oh youve got one!
[09:37:28] <andyshack> ladsie!
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[09:43:50] <LuckyLuke> seems like I forgot to change $dir when playing with filebench yesterday, and it filled my /tmp :D
[09:43:51] <richlowe> why would you run filebench against /tmp anyway?
[09:43:55] <_mary_kate_> because you forgot to change the dir
[09:44:03] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: I didn't think it defaulted there.
[09:44:11] <LuckyLuke> I didn't either
[09:44:19] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: plus, I vaguely recall tmpfs not actually being as fast as it could be :)
[09:44:25] <LuckyLuke> but I found a /tmp/bigfileset :)
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[09:46:17] <LuckyLuke> I just noticed it 'cause it wouldn't let me ssh in, but pinged ok, then some minutes later sshd came back to life
[09:46:48] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: though if you want a fun perf bug in a similarly comical place, 4764891
[09:46:53] <trochej> andyshack: I work at this company, so I got myself one for free!
[09:46:54] <trochej> Khahahaha
[09:47:17] <LuckyLuke> after all it was good to see how sxce acted in a 'critical' situation like that, I was able to ssh in, remove the big files, and everything is running ok.
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[09:48:08] <_mary_kate_> richlowe: < domas> solaris has to take care of it really reaching the null!
[09:50:22] <LuckyLuke> omg. we will be assimilated by a bunch of leenucs k1dd1ez with dev/null's faster than ours? :D
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[10:00:40] <CIA-26> vk210190: 6475264 uptime in a brandz zone shows the global zone's uptime instead of its own
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[10:07:15] <trochej> Kehehe
[10:07:51] <trochej> The few times I use Windows it seems quite sane openrating system, always asking me if I really, really want to trust MS corporation (when installing updates)
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[10:09:31] <trochej> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeSoftwareLaptop
[10:09:33] <trochej> Seem sinteresting
[10:10:32] <trygvis> why are they requiring
[10:10:34] <trygvis> err
[10:10:43] <trygvis> why 5 hours of battery life?
[10:11:06] <quasi> why not 10?
[10:12:05] <trygvis> because it's overkill .. in particular if the focus is to run an all-free laptop
[10:12:16] <trochej> I don't know. But I believe taht Mark actually can talk someone into producing a notebook that can get "Designed for Ubuntu" sticker
[10:13:29] <trochej> http://www.xephi.co.uk/
[10:13:50] <trochej> comes with the legendary Linux (tm) operating system
[10:13:52] <trochej> Legendary
[10:13:53] <trochej> Hmmm
[10:14:13] <trochej> Seems in today world "legend" means something different that when I learnt the word
[10:17:19] <g4lt-mordant> just remember, John Wayne Gacy is a legend as well...
[10:19:05] <kaiwai> John Waye Gacy?
[10:19:12] <kaiwai> who's he when he isn't at home?
[10:19:46] <richlowe> the worlds least funny clown.
[10:20:05] <kaiwai> oh
[10:20:10] <kaiwai> splended
[10:20:50] <g4lt-mordant> you know, at this point, I don't know if I should be worried?
[10:21:39] <kaiwai> ah, ok
[10:21:43] <kaiwai> I wiki'ed it
[10:22:45] <kaiwai> you certainly have interesting people in the US
[10:23:06] <richlowe> actually, I can't seem to google up a critique of his clown act.
[10:23:11] <richlowe> so for all we know, maybe he was a great clown.
[10:23:51] <g4lt-mordant> the punchlines sucked though
[10:26:02] <kaiwai> interesting, that opensource driver outperforms Nvidia's in 2D performance
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[10:26:14] <kaiwai> http://linuxupdate.blogspot.com/2007/07/nouveau-driver-2d-performance-exceeds.html
[10:27:34] <kaiwai> hmm
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[10:37:50] <asyd> \_o<
[10:38:11] <quasi> hey hey asyd
[10:38:39] <kaiwai> 'allo asyd
[10:40:21] * asyd back from RMLL
[10:40:29] <kaiwai> RMLL?
[10:40:33] <asyd> .info
[10:40:54] <kaiwai> Rimming Masturbating Licking Lesbians (RMLL)
[10:40:58] <kaiwai> ?
[10:41:03] <asyd> lol
[10:43:07] <kaiwai> hmm, free software - the usual nuts there like Stallman?
[10:43:54] <asyd> indeed, but I gave a talk about opensolaris (just after alan cox) and people was very interest
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[10:44:32] <kaiwai> cool
[10:44:47] <kaiwai> added some sex appeal I assume "free lap dance for each driver submitted"
[10:45:36] <kaiwai> wish someone would create a vm so its possible to run Windows on Solaris
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[10:46:24] <asyd> :)
[10:47:25] <Mark__T> kaiwai: Isn't it possible with qemu?
[10:47:37] <kaiwai> nope, qemu doesn't support USB on Solaris
[10:47:55] <Mark__T> who needs USB :-D
[10:48:01] <kaiwai> I do :)
[10:48:11] <kaiwai> I would be useing it to sync computer with mini-disc player :)
[10:48:27] <Mark__T> Who needs Windows anyway :-D
[10:49:19] <kaiwai> I do, so I can sync between minidisc and computer
[10:51:45] <Mark__T> wouldn't be the better question: "wish someone would create an application, so iT's possible my solarisbox with my minidisc-player" :-D
[10:51:59] <kaiwai> no one will, thats the problem
[10:52:12] <Mark__T> s/possible/possible to sync
[10:52:29] <kaiwai> the day when Sun says, "we've teamed up with sony to create MiniDisc support" will be the day you'll see me married to a female
[10:53:35] <Mark__T> what about wine?
[10:53:46] <kaiwai> doesn't work, doesn't support USB
[10:54:13] <kaiwai> basically it crashes when trying to access the minidisc player - it appears it needs to access usb directly
[10:54:32] <sickness> sync with a nokia would be useful too...
[10:54:56] <kaiwai> sickness: I assume using bluetooth?
[10:55:31] <sickness> kaiwai: usb!
[10:55:55] <kaiwai> ah
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[10:56:12] <kaiwai> unfortunate that it won't be supported :'(
[10:56:41] <kaiwai> the day when sun supports it, will be the day when Scott McNealy says, "I use Microsoft Office on Windows Vista, and really enjoy it"
[10:58:36] <kaiwai> feel sorry for anyone running Oracle - a jumbo security patch release is getting planned - fixing 46 security holes
[10:58:50] <sickness> kaiwai: lol
[10:59:18] <kaiwai> "So far in 2007, Oracle has released patches for a whopping 133 vulnerabilities."
[10:59:23] <kaiwai> step aside Microsoft, we have a new winner
[11:01:35] <_mary_kate_> oracle always seems to release a ridiculous amount of security patches in their updates
[11:01:49] <_mary_kate_> i think each patch must fix 1 and introduce 2, or something
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[11:01:55] <kaiwai> of course, hence, I can never understand the huge number of attention Microsoft gets
[11:03:19] <kaiwai> reminds me of Linux users screaming about Windows - there is a reason for Windows being at the top, and it goes beyond the conspiracy theories
[11:04:41] <kaiwai> hmm, looks like Zander is going to step down - maybe he should move to gods waiting room and stop wrecking companies
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[11:06:49] <richlowe> _mary_kate_: I thought that was a function of update frequency.
[11:07:23] <kaiwai> richlowe: when you pay the price of a small countries GDP for a Oracle licence, one expects better
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[11:14:34] <richlowe> I'd have expected if you used oracle, you'd expect worse, actually.
[11:14:54] <richlowe> It's not like it doesn't have a reputation for very expensive annoyance.
[11:16:34] <kaiwai> hmm, is it just me, or has anyone noticed artifacts when using gnome terminal?
[11:17:01] <richlowe> People have.
[11:17:11] <richlowe> Sadly, I forget the bug, i just recall having seen it.
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[11:17:34] <kaiwai> cool, it isn't just me and my brain
[11:17:57] <richlowe> 6566332
[11:18:00] <richlowe> not that that's useful.
[11:18:05] <kaiwai> oh well
[11:18:16] <kaiwai> GNOME 2.20 should be fun
[11:18:27] <kaiwai> mind you, I'd prefer to be running KDE 3.5.7 though
[11:21:59] <renihs> 2.20 is far away
[11:23:04] <kaiwai> hmm, oh well, cups should be fun to compile
[11:23:13] <renihs> shouldnt pose a challenge
[11:23:36] <renihs> since a year or like i never had issues with it
[11:23:41] <renihs> 2 years more like :p
[11:23:55] <renihs> but only compiled with gcc so far
[11:25:40] <kaiwai> hmm, I find that everything falls off when I compile KDE
[11:26:01] <renihs> kde can be a tough call
[11:26:05] <renihs> especially koffice .p
[11:26:24] <renihs> just finished compiling nearly everything kde (3.5.7)
[11:26:32] <renihs> with koffice taking forever on a small x2100
[11:26:50] <renihs> but openoffice can be even more fun
[11:26:53] <kaiwai> anyway,m off to logout and relogin for my env settings to take effect
[11:26:54] <kaiwai> :(
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[11:26:57] <renihs> or blas
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[11:48:01] <Blocked> Hi people
[11:48:13] <Blocked> got a question on zone networking.
[11:49:35] <Blocked> I want zones to have private IPs (something like 10.10.1.100)
[11:50:17] <Blocked> and be able to connect from outside (using somekind of routing?)
[11:50:31] <Blocked> anyone has any idea of how to do such thing?
[11:50:57] <renihs> never tried or done yet :p but it most likely can be done with zones themselfes or some destination nat
[11:51:10] <trochej> Port forwarding of sort?
[11:51:32] <aruiz> mstoian, why do you need hardware raid?
[11:51:36] <Blocked> I want to setup severall zonas as test servers having the same kind of software
[11:51:58] <Blocked> meaning the same ports open
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[11:53:10] <Blocked> something like private test servers for developers, so that the developers can access them from their work environmtn transparently without any portforwarding envolved that would complicate configuration
[11:53:23] <renihs> dunno then, i am sure (or honestly i am not) there is some feature for that in zones, otherwise you would need to dnat public ip1 -> internal 1 and public ip 2 -> internal 2 and so on
[11:53:38] <renihs> havent played with zones too much yet :(
[11:54:05] <aruiz> Blocked, that works out of the box
[11:54:14] <aruiz> Blocked, have you tried to use a zone already?
[11:54:19] <Blocked> yes
[11:54:28] <aruiz> and the ip you setup is not seen on the outside?
[11:54:33] <Blocked> but I have limited set of ips available
[11:54:45] <Blocked> so I have an acessible Ip for the global zone
[11:54:56] <aruiz> only one ip for the whole zone?
[11:55:01] <Blocked> but the zones itself will need to use private subnet
[11:55:08] <Blocked> like a vlan
[11:55:14] <aruiz> ssh port forwarding
[11:55:26] <aruiz> or ipfilter port forwarding
[11:55:30] <Blocked> too many ports... I want to avoid that
[11:55:39] <aruiz> you can't
[11:56:08] <aruiz> at least with ipv4
[11:56:15] <quasi> if it was just http forwarding, it would be easy
[11:56:35] <Blocked> no iit has several ports and ranges
[11:56:53] <Blocked> so port forwarding would be a nightmare
[11:56:53] <quasi> that's going to be painful
[11:56:54] <aruiz> Blocked, if you are not on the same network, you simply, can't do that
[11:56:55] <renihs> but you can still forward entire ips, even though that may be wastefull
[11:57:09] <renihs> publicA -> internalA, publicB -> internalB
[11:57:11] <Blocked> I know this can be done with vpn
[11:57:26] <aruiz> Blocked, vpn or nat
[11:57:26] * quasi was just about to suggest vpn
[11:57:46] <Blocked> but I was wondering if the same effect could be done by just playing with the routes
[11:57:50] <renihs> nat would be less work :p
[11:58:09] <quasi> Blocked: unlikely
[11:58:12] <renihs> na you need some nat
[11:58:13] <aruiz> Blocked, if you want to play with the routes you would need to setup ip's on the same network than the zones
[11:58:16] <renihs> or vpn for that
[11:58:22] <renihs> ya
[11:58:32] <aruiz> Blocked, the most simple solution, is nat
[11:58:55] <aruiz> clients -> server(nat) -> zones network
[12:00:00] <aruiz> that means that you have to change the default gateway on all the clients
[12:00:40] <quasi> aruiz: but that needs the clients to be on the same network, right?
[12:01:07] <renihs> no?
[12:01:26] <renihs> why?
[12:01:26] <aruiz> quasi, no
[12:01:29] <Blocked> aruiz, like setting specific routes for the zones vlan ?
[12:01:33] <aruiz> quasi, NAT Network Address Translation
[12:01:41] <aruiz> Blocked, nope
[12:01:41] <Blocked> on the clients side?
[12:01:44] <aruiz> Blocked, only the client side
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[12:02:20] <aruiz> Blocked, you want a bunch of clients to be able to access to your zones network, right?
[12:02:31] <Blocked> yea
[12:02:31] <aruiz> Blocked, do you have access to those clients?
[12:02:37] <Blocked> yes
[12:02:45] <aruiz> all that you need
[12:03:00] * quasi is beginning to see how it would work - time to get more coffee
[12:03:05] <aruiz> is to put one server, between the two networks doing nat
[12:03:18] <aruiz> and then
[12:03:21] <Blocked> ok, that would be the global zone
[12:03:22] <aruiz> all the clients, have to use this nat
[12:03:36] <aruiz> Blocked, that would be the best choice yeah
[12:03:59] <aruiz> Blocked, just after setting up the nat rules, you need to setup the global zone ip as the gateway for those clients
[12:04:16] <Blocked> I done something like that already using my windows machine and vmware running solaris 10 with zones
[12:04:16] <aruiz> gateway/defaultroute
[12:04:30] <aruiz> Blocked, is as simple as that
[12:04:31] <aruiz> :)
[12:04:59] <aruiz> Blocked, on a first instance, I thought that you wanted some kind of dynamic port forwarding using a single ip
[12:05:15] <aruiz> Blocked, but NAT is exactly what you need as long as you can change the default route for the clients
[12:05:55] <aruiz> Blocked, and it's very simple to setup OTOH
[12:05:56] <aruiz> :)
[12:06:55] <Blocked> i got it working only partially
[12:07:06] <Blocked> I can acess the global zone using the vlan ip
[12:07:24] <Blocked> but i can't acess the zones using the same gateway
[12:07:40] <aruiz> huh?
[12:07:55] <Blocked> maybe Ill list my config for more clarity
[12:07:57] <aruiz> which gateway?
[12:08:00] <aruiz> :)
[12:08:19] <Blocked> I setup vmware to run as NAT
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[12:08:48] <Blocked> my windows machine got the ip 192.168.153.1 from VMnet8
[12:08:49] <aruiz> Blocked, bridge is usually a better idea
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[12:09:20] <aruiz> Blocked, your zones are inside a vmware guest?
[12:09:38] <Blocked> I know, but I want to test the scenario where I don't have the ips in the pool available (short ip availability)
[12:09:47] <aruiz> oookay
[12:09:48] <aruiz> got it
[12:09:50] <aruiz> :)
[12:09:55] <Blocked> yes, the solzris and zones are in the vmware guest host
[12:10:06] <aruiz> okay
[12:10:57] <Blocked> the global zone got 192.168.153.128 from vmxnet0
[12:11:05] <aruiz> so the solaris global zone has an ip within the VMware's nat NAT , isn't it?
[12:11:13] <Blocked> yes
[12:11:21] <aruiz> Blocked, that's the wrong part
[12:11:22] <Blocked> the vmxnet0 is the name of that if
[12:11:43] <aruiz> Blocked, use bridge, set the guest with a public ip, and then setup the zones network within the private network
[12:13:39] <Blocked> but using bridge the zones wouldn't require to have ips in the same subnet as the global zone?
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[12:16:19] <aruiz> Blocked, not at all
[12:17:02] <aruiz> Blocked, bridging means that the virtual network card of the guest act almost as if it was another NIC on the vmware host network
[12:17:40] <aruiz> Blocked, however, within the zones, you can setup another network using ip aliasing (that's basically what zones does bge0:0 bge0:1 etc...)
[12:18:02] <aruiz> Blocked, is just another network
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[12:19:14] <Blocked> I think I have done that, so maybe it is the setting of the vmware host that is wrong?
[12:19:50] <Blocked> my idea was to test this config on vmware before I apply it on the live machine (Sun file v440)
[12:20:17] <Blocked> * fire
[12:20:54] <Blocked> let me give the ifconfig -a of both the global and zone
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[12:23:32] <timsf> hi all
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[12:25:12] <Blocked> aruiz, http://opensolaris.pastebin.com/m5943673d
[12:25:47] <Blocked> I can connect from global zone to net-z1, and from windows machine to global zone
[12:25:58] <Blocked> but not from windows machine to zone net-z1 :(
[12:26:10] <aruiz> Blocked, I already told you what you should do :P
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[12:28:36] <Blocked> aruiz, setting bridge on the Vmware host would provide a more real scenario? (like on a live machine)
[12:29:34] <renihs> ya
[12:29:39] <aruiz> Blocked, yes
[12:29:48] <renihs> i use bridge nearly always
[12:29:50] <aruiz> Blocked, and it would solve your nat problem
[12:29:55] <renihs> also :p
[12:29:56] <Blocked> ok, i'm setting that option on vmware and rebooting the guest os
[12:30:02] <aruiz> :)
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[12:30:20] <renihs> just make sure to set nic to e1000 in the .vmx
[12:30:23] <renihs> if you run a solaris in there
[12:30:32] <renihs> or you will face *massive* packetloss
[12:30:35] <renihs> among other stuff :p
[12:30:40] <aruiz> renihs, really?
[12:30:49] <renihs> pcnet did give me 20% packetlos and no speed
[12:30:54] * aruiz stops his virtual machine
[12:31:02] <renihs> e1000 is much better
[12:32:33] <Blocked> is that a vmware option?
[12:33:40] <aruiz> renihs, ethernet0.? = "e1000"
[12:33:55] <aruiz> renihs, can you resolve the '?' thing for me?
[12:33:59] <renihs> ethernet0.virtualDev = "e1000"
[12:34:00] <renihs> ya
[12:34:07] <renihs> which ? thing
[12:34:14] <aruiz> it was an equation
[12:34:16] <aruiz> :)
[12:34:17] <renihs> ah
[12:34:18] <renihs> :p
[12:34:23] <aruiz> ethernet0.x = "e1000"
[12:34:24] <aruiz> solve x
[12:34:25] <aruiz> :)
[12:34:38] <renihs> x=virtualDev :p
[12:35:04] * aruiz just realized how geek he is just by making geek jokes in a solaris channel and nobody understand them
[12:36:43] <aruiz> heh
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[12:36:53] <aruiz> "failed to plumb pcn0"
[12:36:54] <aruiz> yeahh
[12:37:00] * aruiz slaps himself
[12:37:14] <renihs> :p
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[12:37:33] <renihs> thats to be expected :P
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[12:44:02] <Blocked> after reboot the global zone failed to get ip
[12:44:15] <renihs> maybe you bridged the wrong vmnet
[12:44:17] <renihs> :p
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[12:44:36] <Blocked> what's the right one?
[12:45:22] <renihs> the one you configured when running config thingie
[12:45:29] <renihs> you map a vmnet to a physical device
[12:45:33] <renihs> maybe its mapped wrong or not at all
[12:45:48] <renihs> havent figured where to mappings are stored...not in etc it seems
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[12:46:13] <renihs> worst case rerun vmware-config.pl to make sure your vmnet is bridged to the right physcial device
[12:47:26] <Blocked> I can't use bridge for the global zone, because i'm in the office subnet and all ips are controled by mac address on the router
[12:47:42] <Blocked> so I can't use bridge for guest os
[12:48:48] <trochej> use nat
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[12:49:03] <Blocked> I was using nat for guest os
[12:49:41] <Blocked> switched back to nat
[12:49:54] <aruiz> is it possible to setup a zone from a solaris express dvd?
[12:51:08] <aruiz> Blocked, you can't add that ip on the router?
[12:51:15] <aruiz> Blocked, sorry, the vmware MAC
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[12:51:53] <Blocked> no... I'm not sys admin for that
[12:52:27] <aruiz> Blocked, can't you reuse a MAC that is not being used atm?
[12:52:44] <aruiz> Blocked, you can manually setup the mac address for the vmware interface
[12:52:49] <Blocked> anyway it wouldn't match my test config (real machine is on LAB environemnt on a different subnet)
[12:53:14] <aruiz> Blocked, then you need to do double NAT :)
[12:53:32] <aruiz> wait, that can't be done
[12:54:01] <trochej> Blocked: Is this a rouge project?
[12:54:40] <Blocked> rouge in french? like red in english ? (don't know what you mean anyway)
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[12:54:47] <renihs> Blocked, macs can be faked :p
[12:55:17] <trochej> Blocked: Why can't you talk to router admin to set up some macs for your project?
[12:55:27] <trochej> rougue? Can't remembet how it's spelled
[12:56:02] <Blocked> don'nt need to go there... I have a subnet available on the lab environment (with limited ip range)
[12:56:15] <Blocked> I use that to set the ip of the global zone
[12:56:43] <Blocked> but since the zones are too many for that range I need to create a private subnet for the zones
[12:57:04] <Blocked> from my machine in office subnet I can reach the lab subnet easilly
[12:57:36] <Blocked> but I need to also reach the zones subnet, and that's the tricky part
[12:57:40] <trochej> Blocked: Can't you remove the VMWare layer, for example? That would simplyfy thing a little
[12:59:00] <Blocked> I can work with the real environment (like I described in the previous lines), but the problem is similar as using the vmware
[12:59:19] <Blocked> at least I think it is
[13:00:37] <trochej> Blocked: VMWare has it's own dhcp server and uses it's own nat code
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[13:00:55] <trochej> /etc/vmware/vmnet2/nat/nat.conf
[13:01:08] <trochej> That would be a file in default installation of vmware server
[13:01:45] <trochej> but that's all that I remember now
[13:03:29] <Blocked> what is the content of that file?
[13:03:38] <Blocked> dhcp rules?
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[13:05:27] <trochej> Blocked: Sorry, can't help you now, I wrote that from memory.
[13:05:39] <trochej> Blocked: VMWare site had some detailed .pdf documentation
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[13:27:31] <Pietro_S> any spec guru around? how can I handle  appendix 'src' to name? %setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}-src didn't work - not found directory without src :-(
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[13:48:06] <iMax> I have no idea what exactly you are doing, but just judging from the line, have you tried to define a variable src and use a fixed string for it and appending -%{src}....or something
[13:48:38] <richlowe> I'd expect the above to work.
[13:48:39] <richlowe> I think.
[13:50:25] <Pietro_S> the problem is that the tar is name-version-src.tar.gz and it is decompressed to name-version-src dir, which doesn't expect pkgtool or pkgbuild ...
[13:51:34] <laca> Pietro_S: -n %{name}-%{version}-src should work
[13:51:35] <Cyrille> I'd also expect that line to work
[13:51:54] <Cyrille> and if laca says so, I'd trust him ;-)
[13:53:39] <Pietro_S> laca: without -q?
[13:53:50] <laca> with or without
[13:56:24] <Pietro_S> thanks, I'm blind it is trying to cd SFEvodovod-1.10-src, I need to define src-name variable ...
[14:00:30] <CIA-26> cwb: 6317341 KMDB uses siron (and children), which can be traced by DTrace, 6565142 Need to remove unused code in the PSMs softint handling area, 6578650 usr/src/uts/common/io/avintr.c needs to be cstyle clean with continuation line checking
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[14:04:19] <renihs> interesting,  please go on :p
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[14:57:39] <lloy0076> Hmmm...I've managed to get a program called SSSS (http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/) and it attempts to throw a lock on some memory to stop it from being placed onto secondary storage/swap...
[14:57:50] <lloy0076> ...which is because it's go to do with cryptographic secret sharing.
[14:58:56] <lloy0076> It appears, though, that as a normal user I've been slapped with an EPERM response from mlockall.
[14:59:06] <lloy0076> ...
[15:00:09] <trygvis> perhaps you can give the user some privileges
[15:00:17] <lloy0076> Apart from fiddling with RBAC or making the application SETUID to a more privileged user, is there a way around this?
[15:00:21] <seanmcg> lloy0076: may need the proc_lock_memory priv.
[15:00:42] <lloy0076> heh
[15:00:57] <lloy0076> This is going to be the "all roads lead to the you have to give the user more privileges" road.
[15:01:14] <lloy0076> Then again, I guess people who have these keys are supposed to be trustworthy anyway :)
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[15:43:14] <CSFrost> yea, logging out or netsplits are evil things :-P
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[15:54:07] <Tempt> Man, people irritate me.
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[15:54:36] <trygvis> so that is why you love your 880? :P
[15:54:56] <Tempt> If you don't realise your backups are fucked since April and you don't realise you lose a root disk about the same time, you don't get to whinge that you did overtime rebuilding the host.
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[15:55:38] <Tempt> heh
[15:55:43] <Tempt> The 880 doesn't lie.
[15:56:15] <trygvis> hehe
[15:56:43] <sickness> v880?
[15:56:48] <Tempt> I'm just saying, if you can't pick up a lack of backups since April and a dead root disk since then, you can't claim to be looking after the box.
[15:56:57] <Tempt> sickness: v880.
[15:57:25] <sickness> oh, does that run sxce 68?
[15:58:19] <Tempt> If someone is paying you to look after a host, you don't get to whinge like a spoilt child because you work overtime cleaning up after your fuckups. And if you've lost all their data since April, man, you really owe them a massive apology.
[15:58:33] <Tempt> sickness: No idea. I'd assume it would run it very well.
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[15:59:42] <sickness> k
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[16:01:17] <Tempt> sickness: I need this box to be stable so no sxce on that host. If I had a spare I'd be running it up to the bleeding edge.
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[16:23:28] <gdamore> good morning *!
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[16:25:42] <richlowe> hey gdamore.
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[16:28:57] <nachox> morning
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[16:37:08] <oninoshiko> good morning
[16:37:44] <Chihan> Hello
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[16:42:54] <oninoshiko> Tempt : i can see why you might not think someone was doing a proper job manageing your box if they didnt notice that
[16:43:03] <oninoshiko> wasn't*
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[16:43:52] <oninoshiko> and i might be inclined to pay him/her LESS (not the more they think they diserve)
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[16:44:30] <fluffle> Tempt: if they're being paid to sysadmin said box, they shouldn't still have their job
[16:44:39] <fluffle> that's fucking ridiculous :/
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[16:45:05] <oninoshiko> not at all qualifies as "ledd"
[16:45:08] <oninoshiko> less*
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[16:46:30] <oninoshiko> what amuses me is the opposite problem... when people pay for unmanaged hosting and expect you to fix every problem they have come up
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[16:50:27] <Abe_Froman> does the pidgin that comes with sxce 68 not support jabber/xmpp?
[16:50:37] <Gman> it's broken
[16:50:40] <Gman> a bug
[16:50:43] <Abe_Froman> doh
[16:50:53] <Abe_Froman> thanks
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[16:55:21] <coffman> Tempt: i would get them some komodo dragon
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[17:06:39] <nachox> what generates a SIGCANCEL?
[17:07:31] <dlg> kill?
[17:09:43] <aruiz> timsf, I've setup nexenta and I'll put a SXCE zone on top of it...
[17:09:54] <aruiz> timsf, :/
[17:10:46] <nachox> kill could, yes, the man page says it is reserved for multithreaded support so i'm guessing there is a condition related to threads that generates it too, i wanted to know which one
[17:11:36] <wesolows> Look at pthread_cancel
[17:11:48] <wesolows> and cancellation(5)
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[17:13:50] <EchoBinary> setting up a fileserver - im hoping to have it up and stable for a while, i take it i should choose the Developer edition over the Community edition?
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[17:14:13] <Plouj> hi guys
[17:14:30] <Chihan> Hi :D
[17:14:58] <Plouj> is ZFS designed such that a single disk or a raid0 array wont become corrupted simply because of sudden power loss?
[17:16:48] <seanmcg> Plouj: iff you zpool(s) are setup right, then yes.
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[17:19:23] <EchoBinary> can power loss cause the head to crash into the disk?
[17:19:53] <Pietro_S> EchoBinary: no in modern disks, they have emergency docking ability
[17:19:58] <EchoBinary> cool
[17:19:59] <renihs> shouldnt be, unless the power outage is cause by a heavy bump :P
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[17:25:42] <EchoBinary> so im looking at: http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/     and wondering should i use community or developer for my fileserver. suggestions?
[17:26:12] <stevel> probably developer at this point
[17:26:13] <EchoBinary> (this will also be my first ever opensolaris installation)
[17:26:18] <Pietro_S> home fileserver?
[17:26:19] <EchoBinary> yeah
[17:26:36] <stevel> otoh the few differences between the current CE & DE are mostly desktop related
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[17:27:09] <EchoBinary> im not interested in desktop stuff - in fact if all goes well, i wont ever need anything beyone xfce and multiple terminal windows
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[17:31:28] <nachox> Gman: those indiana jones pics have got to be copyrighted :P what does "a base distribution in which to build solaris" mean?
[17:32:26] <Gman> nachox, yeah, you're not the first person to say that
[17:32:41] <Gman> base distribution = take indiana, polish it up, rebrand, add value add ship
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[17:32:51] <Gman> at a guess
[17:33:17] <nachox> Gman: to ship as solaris?
[17:33:20] <Gman> yes
[17:33:38] <Berny> hmm why does sdlc say sxce b68 isn't available for download?
[17:33:56] <Berny> and where are those indy pics? :-)
[17:34:31] <nachox> so the idea is that future releases of solaris like say solaris 11 or whatever are based on indiana? i thought they were mostly unrelated
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[17:35:03] <Plouj> seanmcg: can you tell me (someone who hasn't used ZFS yet) specifically what needs to be setup "right" to be safe from sudden power loss induced corruption?
[17:35:26] <nachox> all the answers are in the same slide, just later :)
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[17:37:19] <seanmcg> Plouj: at least a raidz setup with hot spares.   At the very least a mirror.
[17:37:32] <Plouj> raid0 on raidz?
[17:37:42] <Plouj> I don't think you got what I was asking
[17:38:08] <Plouj> and I'm on a tight budget here too
[17:38:41] <Pietro_S> Plouj: how many disks do you plan to plug in?
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[17:48:21] <Gman> nachox, no, definitely based on the same technology base - promoting seamless migration and binary compatibility
[17:49:27] <Plouj> Pietro_S: I only have 3 SATA disks. That's all
[17:52:26] <richlowe> Hey Gman.
[17:52:42] <Gman> hey rich
[17:53:04] <nachox> Gman: found my answers in the same slides burried among other copyrighted indiana jones pictures :P
[17:53:25] <timsf> uploading audio from yesterday's talk at the mo. This may take some time, damn adsl
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[17:55:36] <richlowe> The thing with indiana is that the people behind it seem to want to retain compat, etc, etc, but none of the other people on the list seem to care.
[17:55:45] <richlowe> and even the people behind it keep suggesting things that don't, despite claiming to want to.
[17:55:51] <richlowe> So it's hard to retain any confidence in it.
[17:56:02] <richlowe> given that either suggests they either don't really care, or have no idea what they're talking about (or both)
[17:56:29] <nachox> i'm eager to see what they do with package management
[17:56:34] <richlowe> Nothing.
[17:56:46] <richlowe> They have no stated goals beyond "Encourage people to do $X" and "Package stuff together"
[17:57:01] <richlowe> There are people working on package management, very very quietly, as irritating as that is.
[17:57:15] <richlowe> so, despite there being interesting conversation on indiana-discuss about it, there's no real indication the people concerned are even reading it.
[17:57:18] <richlowe> it's oppeness, you know ;)
[17:58:20] <Gman> i'm sure sch is reading it
[18:00:41] <nachox> sch is in charge of package management?
[18:01:00] <Gman> no one's in charge
[18:01:12] <Cyrille> that might be the problem right there ;-)
[18:01:12] <nachox> dealing with it? :)
[18:01:18] <purserj> hmm Indiana Jones pics? must refrain from making comments about rehashing old stuff with new style ;)
[18:01:19] <Gman> some people are investigating it
[18:01:33] <Gman> purserj, no way man, indiana jones rocks! :)
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[18:02:08] <purserj> Gman: true but he's in his sixties by now, next its going to Indiana Jones and the Incontinence Pants of Doom
[18:02:23] <Gman> heh
[18:02:36] <Gman> he'll still kiss the girls
[18:02:57] <purserj> But will he keep his teeth in to do it?
[18:03:00] <Cyrille> the gerontophiliacs...
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[18:06:17] <theRealballchalk> help i can't see any directories in my ftp server
[18:06:34] <Berny> grab your glasses :-)
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[18:06:53] <Berny> hey Tpenta
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[18:07:21] <theRealballchalk> Berny: how bout u shutup
[18:07:37] <theRealballchalk> i created my ftp for anonymous login
[18:07:43] <theRealballchalk> chowned by root
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[18:08:19] <Berny> well it's a good thing if anon users can't get anything from your server imho
[18:08:30] <nemesis> yeah
[18:08:37] <theRealballchalk> Barney: if you cant help just leave
[18:08:38] <nemesis> :P
[18:08:56] <bigjohnto> Its funny if someone asks for help that tells people to shutup etc... should leave
[18:09:08] <bigjohnto> if you can't take a joke, then don't ask.
[18:09:11] <theRealballchalk> yea i think so to
[18:09:24] <theRealballchalk> he implies that i'm blind
[18:09:27] <bigjohnto> what permissions do you got on your dirs and files REalballchalk
[18:09:34] <theRealballchalk> i think it's more personal than a plain joke
[18:09:36] <bigjohnto> its  only a joke... take it easy
[18:09:41] <Berny> honestly without info on what ftp server do you use? what perms have you set? etc
[18:09:43] <bigjohnto> ok well shurg it off as a joke
[18:10:03] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: hold on
[18:10:03] <purserj> please put the testosterone down and back away from the table
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[18:10:56] <bigjohnto> holding
[18:11:09] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: it's r-xr-xr-x throughout
[18:11:29] <bigjohnto> would you mind giving me your ip since you got anon running?
[18:12:04] <nemesis> theRealballchalk: do the directories also have the executable bit set?
[18:12:10] <nemesis> especially the root directory
[18:12:25] <bigjohnto> i guess he does, since he said throughout
[18:12:27] <theRealballchalk> nemesis: yea i copied some files from /usr/lib
[18:12:39] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: yea
[18:12:45] <CSFrost> purserj, haha
[18:12:56] <Berny> heyho frosty
[18:13:01] <bigjohnto> Real, go to the dir for the root of your ftp and type chmod 555 -R DIRNAME/
[18:13:09] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: this is what i went by  http://sysunconfig.net/unixtips/anon_ftp.txt
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[18:13:22] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: ok
[18:13:25] <CSFrost> Berny, who you calling a ho??!? :-P
[18:13:36] <Berny> ho ho ho :-)
[18:13:59] <bigjohnto> Real, whats the IP?
[18:14:45] <theRealballchalk> bigjohnto: yea it's already chmod 555
[18:15:06] <bigjohnto> CSFrost: who's the ho?
[18:15:22] <CSFrost> bigjohnto, evidently me... again
[18:16:55] <bigjohnto> looooooooooooooool
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[18:21:28] <Boingo> has anyone here successfully compiled pam_mysql on solaris?
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[18:25:07] <Boingo> I get a message saying "pam_appl.h: present but cannot be compiled, check for missing prerequisite headers" then two lines later is say "cannot find pam headers.  Please check if your system is ready for pam module development"
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[18:26:44] <Berny> what's in your config.log?
[18:29:03] <Boingo> gcc: unrecognized option `-nofstore'
[18:29:10] <Boingo> gcc: language target=generic not recognized
[18:29:42] <Berny> right... your configure tries an option that gcc doesn't know...
[18:30:10] <Berny> i guess you wanted to use the studio compiler to build that module?
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[18:31:02] <Boingo> not sure... :(  however the pam_mysql configure works. :(  I don't know much about this stuff unfortunately. :(
[18:31:29] <Berny> have you installed the sun studio?
[18:32:15] <Boingo> nope
[18:32:16] <Berny> if so include /opt/SUNWspro/bin in your path, setenv CC cc (or export CC=cc depending on your shell) and run configure again
[18:32:51] <Berny> well then configure thinks you SHOULD compile with studio on solaris :-)
[18:32:57] <Boingo> lol  k
[18:33:51] <Berny> you may check the configure script and patch it or try to force the use of gcc and see if it still thinks you need that option
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[18:40:28] <timsf> Okay, audio from the Indiana talk is available on the ie-osug podcast
[18:40:47] <timsf> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/meeting_report_indiana_talk
[18:41:07] <nachox> thanks, i was about to ask for a link :)
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[18:43:15] <Gman> damn, now richlowe has an excuse to flame me over the things i've got wrong
[18:43:17] <Berny> hmm, anyone got a working download link for sxce68?
[18:43:58] <Berny> i'm sure you didn't get anything wrong :-)
[18:44:50] <CSFrost> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b68-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try
[18:44:58] <nachox> Gman: he already did that even when he didnt have an excuse
[18:45:11] <cmihai> 68 huh? Well, that was fast.
[18:45:12] <cmihai> Too fast.
[18:45:26] <Gman> nachox, :)
[18:45:35] <Berny> cheers frosty
[18:45:52] <Berny> someone go and fix the link on the os download page :-)
[18:46:04] <CSFrost> that's stevel's job
[18:46:08] <CSFrost> :-P
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[18:49:53] <Berny> hmm, while he's on it, why don't he pack the stuff with gzip, so one could just decompress everything as the pakets come flying in?
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[19:00:29] <CIA-26> dougm: 6549814 libshare has no sense of style
[19:01:02] <Berny> lol
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[19:02:41] <RElling> Berny: gzip doesn't compress it very much, mostly because the packages are bzip2'ed
[19:04:23] <Berny> unzip doesn't make that big difference either?
[19:04:52] <Berny> zip/unzip even
[19:05:13] <RElling> dunno, but not likely
[19:05:31] <Berny> i'll tell you in 5 mins :-)
[19:05:39] <cmihai> bzip2 is 10 times slower then gzip, for not much better compress ration (usually 20-30% better)
[19:06:33] <cmihai> Now rzip does make a difference, but uses lots of resources (about 900MB buffer ~= 900 MB RAM) though compress ratio can be up to 50 times better then bzip2 for logs and such.
[19:06:57] <Berny> we're taking isos here :-)
[19:07:13] <cmihai> I know. There's still some text and compressable stuff in that.
[19:07:18] <cmihai> But I doubt you'd save much
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[19:07:35] <cmihai> Just for fun, do a time of unzip and bunzip and gunzip of the 3GB iso :P
[19:07:53] <cmihai> Not to mention the zipping part, bzip2 takes forever.
[19:08:03] <Berny> yeah yeah...
[19:08:21] <Berny> this is sun, they got big boxen ;-)
[19:08:30] <cmihai> This is me
[19:08:34] <cmihai> I'm the one bunzip-ing it.
[19:09:25] <Berny> hehe
[19:09:49] <cmihai> Not to mention bunzip2 isn't very common on most platforms.
[19:09:58] <wesolows> Really?
[19:10:01] <Berny> well then why not leave it uncompressed?
[19:10:11] <wesolows> Like Windows and... the Commodore?
[19:10:21] <cmihai> wesolows: Like... most BSD's and UNIX
[19:10:32] <wesolows> cmihai: That's inconsistent with my experience, but ok.
[19:10:47] <cmihai> Only FreeBSD uses bzipped packages now mate, the others stick to gzip and don't have bzip in base.
[19:11:02] <cmihai> bzip is strictly common in Linux and FreeBSD, the rest... not so much.
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[19:14:08] <RElling> ah here we go.  Internally I can download the nv b68 x86 .iso (3,352,320 bytes) or .iso.gz (3,140,712)  ~ 6%
[19:15:00] <Gman> cmihai, gnome provides both formats when we upload to ftp
[19:15:23] <Berny> zip compressed saves about 20MB on the second part of the b68 dvd image... gzipped being like half a meg bigger than zipped
[19:15:37] <Berny> unzip took 55secs. gunzip 50secs
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[19:17:35] <Berny> so gzip would be cool.. just pipe the download into a gzip -dc and save some waiting time
[19:18:05] <cmihai> Berny: what if the pipe breaks?
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[19:18:22] <cmihai> For 1GB+ files, you really want to be able to continue the download.
[19:18:28] <Berny> call a plumber 8-)
[19:19:17] * Gman hearts wget -c
[19:19:22] <Berny> well thats true...
[19:19:50] <Berny> pipe it through tee into file and gzip -dc :-)
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[19:40:19] <Triskelios> is it okay to submit an nwam bug with slight security implications to the regular OS bug database?
[19:41:33] <cmihai> Sell it to the CIA for millions! ;-)
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[19:53:00] <richlowe> Triskelios: there's a security checkbox, it causes the bug to be hidden.
[19:53:12] <richlowe> Triskelios: it causes to it to be hidden from you, as well, of course.
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[19:54:28] <Triskelios> richlowe: do the CRs show up post-fixing?
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[19:55:45] <richlowe> No.
[19:55:59] <richlowe> They show up, basically, in as few places as is technically feasible.
[19:56:09] <richlowe> It's also highly unlikely anyone will tell you anything about them.
[19:56:12] <richlowe> (even if you filed them)
[19:56:22] <richlowe> the security policy around here varies between antiquated, insane, and irritating.
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[20:00:28] <CIA-26> josephb: 6577329 TLB invalidation on AMD processors requires additional code, 6569219 wasted time at amd64 boot - issues with htable_walk(), 6574819 assertion failed: va <= ((ht)->ht_level == mmu.max_level ? ((uintptr_t)0UL - 0x1000..., 6574823 htable_lookup() needs fixing.., 6579274 Share memory unmap stays in infinite loop (32bit intel)
[20:00:31] * Triskelios flips a coin
[20:02:24] <Triskelios> oh yay, VM fixes...
[20:03:41] <sommerfeld> ah, the faster boot time fix is back.
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[20:05:24] <carbon60> What is the difference between /etc/hosts and /etc/inet/ipnodes?
[20:06:25] <sommerfeld> carbon60: in current builds, nothing.  previously, ipnodes would be searched for ipv4 and ipv6 addresses, while hosts would be searched only for v4 addresses
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[20:06:47] <carbon60> sommerfeld: I see.
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[20:07:08] <carbon60> Can I go ahead and hardlink them?
[20:07:49] <sommerfeld> on current builds, /etc/inet/hosts is a file, and /etc/hosts and /etc/inet/ipnodes are symlinks to /etc/inet/hosts
[20:08:10] <sommerfeld> previously, /etc/inet/hosts and /etc/inet/ipnodes were both files
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[20:09:03] <sommerfeld> it should be safe to either symlink or hardlink them on older releases
[20:10:06] <carbon60> Awesome, thanks sommerfeld.
[20:11:18] <sommerfeld> originally solaris separated v6 out of /etc/hosts; everyone else put v6 addresses directly in /etc/hosts; it became clear that putting v6 addresses in /etc/hosts was actually less disruptive so we followed what everyone else did.
[20:12:00] <carbon60> Right.
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[20:51:21] <sahafeez> !seen benr
[20:52:18] <Drone> benr (benr!n=benr at c-24-6-105-152 dot hsd1.ca.comcast.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Mon 25 Jun 2007 21:00 GMT, saying 'stevel, ya, saw the pics.  Very nice.  Thanks!'.
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[21:00:29] <CIA-26> vn83148: 6549251 CPU topology enumerato returns false for topo_fmri_present(), 6573680 ereport.fm.fmd.fmri_scheme when retiring a kernel page, 6574573 fmd dumps core in the chip.so enumerator
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[21:14:38] <spawrq> any of you use netvault?  how do you create backup groups?
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[21:45:01] <leal_> somebody to help with sc 3.2?
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[22:00:32] <CIA-26> ss150715: PSARC/2007/405 dlpi_recvinfo_t Tweak, 6577295 typo in dlpi_recvinfo_t
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[22:19:30] <kito> anyknow if there are plans to start shipping 64bit postgres and/or python?
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[22:19:52] <e^ipi> are your postgres tables actually that big?
[22:20:49] <kito> not individual tables, but I have DBs getting >2GB
[22:21:10] <kito> I guess its not worth then eh?
[22:21:53] <beholde1> I thought there were performance advantages to running 64 bit on x86?  Extra registers and such.
[22:22:07] <beholde1> We use Postgres in 64 bit mode on our RHEL boxes.
[22:22:10] <kito> ahh really
[22:22:15] <kito> done any benchmarks?
[22:22:35] <beholde1> No, all our boxes run 64 bit so I wouldn't know :)
[22:22:40] <kito> s/benchmarks/comparisons/
[22:22:43] <kito> hehe
[22:22:43] <kito> ok
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[22:28:19] <sommerfeld> beholde1: yes, my understanding is that the extra registers make running in 64 bit worth it even for workloads that don't need the big address space
[22:28:30] <CSFrost> hrm, would be interesting to see a comparison though
[22:28:35] <sommerfeld> of course, your milage may vary
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[22:39:57] <beholde1> We have a pretty complex setup and it's in production now... so I can't easily switch the arch type to benchmark.
[22:40:09] <beholde1> I'm sure this could be tested on someones desktop machine though
[22:50:36] <tomww> postgres uses bitmap comparisons heavily, so longer registers or instructions working on multiple words mitg run better with 64-bit.
[22:50:52] <tomww> s/mitg/might/
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[23:00:28] <CIA-26> ahrens: 6580497 zfs volinit shouldn't slowly iterate over all snapshots
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[23:28:27] <e^ipi> it's hot...
[23:28:30] <e^ipi> I don't like it
[23:29:11] <sahafeez> 33C here.
[23:29:39] <wesolows> it's a "scorching" 22C here in lovely downtown San Francisco
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[23:30:07] <e^ipi> ~ 34C here
[23:30:13] <e^ipi> which is stupid, i live in the goddamn tundra
[23:30:25] <wesolows> ahh, arctic warming
[23:30:28] <e^ipi> it was -35C 6 months ago
[23:30:46] <sahafeez> it has cooled off. it was 38c last week
[23:31:44] <e^ipi> also, I think the global currency market is out to get me
[23:32:06] <e^ipi> every time I get money in USD, the canadian dollar goes up
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[23:33:04] <sahafeez> the USD is on the way down. i was going to go to the EU on vacation but...
[23:33:57] <sommerfeld> e^ipi: invite al gore to speak about climate change.  i hear that unseasonably cold weather often follows him around the globe...
[23:34:18] <e^ipi> it's been unseasonably cold here for a couple months actually
[23:34:38] <e^ipi> the heat just came back with a vengence yesterday
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[23:39:56] <Plouj> woot!
[23:39:59] <Plouj> AMD Athlon X2 BE are out in stores!
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[23:40:31] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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