[00:01:48] <delewis> heh, watching the SPARC graphics team shoulder work onto the X.org team is quite amusing.
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[00:08:36] <alanc> the harder she pushes, the harder we can push back 8-)
[00:09:01] <alanc> mutually assured resource starvation, or something like that...
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[00:19:12] <delewis> so does shipping without ARC approval happen often?
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[00:19:55] <alanc> more than it should
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[00:21:53] <elektronkind> I would think that SPARC Graphics would be almost a Maytag-like group right now
[00:22:22] <elektronkind> unless they have something big in the pipeline... and the gfx stuff at Sun seems to be swinging towards x86
[00:22:33] <alanc> which is why they have almost no resources left
[00:23:01] <elektronkind> heh... well... they better convert while the convertin's good
[00:23:02] <alanc> their biggest project lately has been the Visualization Grid stuff
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[00:31:30] <CSFrost> sparcs don't need graphics.. everyone knows that :-P
[00:32:21] <Auralis> they should just get nvidia for sparc and be done with it
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[00:34:48] * elektronkind secretly replaces the framebuffer in CSFrost's sparc with a cgthree... let's see if he notices!
[00:35:32] <CSFrost> :-P
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[00:52:17] * stevel hands chief justice alanc his robes
[00:52:57] <alanc> I did wonder if he really meant to cc everyone on that one 8-)
[00:54:45] <alanc> but hey, if he wants to argue against open source on indiana-discuss at opensolaris dot org, more power to him
[00:54:56] <e^ipi> heh
[00:55:05] <stevel> did he?  i didn't see any of Linda's or his responses - i only see them in the quote from your reply
[00:55:32] <stevel> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2007-July/thread.html doesn't show any of their replies either
[00:55:32] <alanc> oh, I bet they're only subscribed to xwin-discuss, so got stuck in the moderator queue
[00:55:47] <alanc> the headers on the messages I got included it
[00:56:03] <alanc> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-July/thread.html has them
[00:56:07] <stevel> ah. indiana-discuss is set to reject non-subscribed posts
[00:56:20] <stevel> makes sense. i've been watching them on indiana discuss, not xwin-discuss
[01:00:27] <CIA-26> kk208521: 6525798 Need Hardware Capabilities support for AMD Family 10h/sse4a processor
[01:00:28] <CIA-26> kupfer: 6570962 nightly -O should include closed binaries in BFU archives
[01:00:29] <CIA-26> ksn: 6562292 race between drv_getparm and setpgrp leads to panic
[01:01:32] <sommerfeld> what's the ETA on fixing mailman to permit cross-posting from all subscribers to any list?
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[01:03:30] <stevel> sommerfeld: as of now, somewhere around infinity.
[01:03:47] <stevel> nobody is working on it
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[01:12:33] <stevel> sommerfeld: seems like we want some variant of this patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1220144&group_id=103&atid=300103
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[01:18:53] <sommerfeld> stevel: really?  if i'm not mistaken, sch committed to fixing this at one point.
[01:19:51] <stevel> sommerfeld: hrm. i don't recall that.  it's definitely a feature we've been asked for multiple times.  if and when i finish SCM migration i can take a whack at it
[01:19:57] <stevel> it's doubtful i'll get to it before that though
[01:21:49] <BadKarma> any sun guys about?
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[01:25:32] <BadKarma> if so just a short one, where do we order replacements for broken stuff like keyboards/dtu-s etc? there was a tool for this but I cant remind it what it was called anymore
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[01:27:33] <Doc> badkarma: servicedesk
[01:27:47] <BadKarma> Doc: nope.. not sd
[01:28:03] <BadKarma> there was something called p....
[01:28:16] <Doc> well lets just say that servicedesk is more correct an answer than asking on irc...
[01:29:40] <BadKarma> doesnt help me much, but thanks anyway
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[01:57:15] <Tempt> Morning all.
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[03:33:34] <jossh> after a standard install i picked the java desktop system and i'd like to change, how would i do that?
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[03:34:47] <nachox> change the session at gdm or dtlogin, there is a button there
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[03:35:50] <jossh> awesome!
[03:36:09] <jossh> the mouse i'm using has an inverted y axis for some reason, any way to fix this?
[03:36:37] <victor_> rotate it 180 degrees!
[03:37:26] <coffman> once again, utf8 locale is fucked up in b67
[03:38:09] <jossh> heh hard to click that way, but that is an idea
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[03:44:11] <jossh> ok so i downloaded a few "packages" from sun.com, they're folders with pkginfo and pkgmap files with folders. how do i install?
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[03:44:57] <coffman> jossh: do pkgadd -d $folder
[03:46:07] <jossh> is the best method of filesystem encryption through the solaris encryption kit or are there alternatives?
[03:47:09] <jamesd> i think that is it currently unless you can find some other userland solution.
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[03:48:27] <jamesd>  but zfs crypto is getting closer to being intergrated, but my guess its still a month or two away at least
[03:49:52] <Tempt> Hmm
[03:49:57] <jossh> would applying the zfs crypto require a format of the drive?
[03:50:04] <Tempt> Does zfs crypto use an offload card if it is available I wonder.
[03:50:08] <jossh> if i go from zfs to the zfs crypto
[03:51:05] <jamesd> Tempt, if its based on the crpyto framework which i think it is,  it will use the card, or cpu depending on the configuration and availilbilty.
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[03:55:16] <Tempt> That'd be pretty goo.
[03:55:17] <Tempt> good.
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[04:01:32] <jossh> so a package is fine as a folder? i'm directing it right to the folder with PKGINFO and PKGMAP but keep getting "pkgadd: ERROR: no packages were found in <SUNWjass>"
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[04:41:31] <jossh> ah, imporoper permissions on the file somehow causes the package manager  to not recognize the packages
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[04:52:08] <jossh> whenever i press the up arrow i get ^[[A and the same with a lot of other keys, is there any way to get normal functionality or is this just the way solaris is?
[04:53:11] <MindDrive> Recently installed SXDE 5/07 to try the new NWAM feature.  My system (IBM Thinkpad T42 laptop) is finding the wireless interface (iwi0), but /etc/nwam/known_wifi_nets is empty and there's no attempt at configuration of the wireless interface, so the question is: do I need to do any manual setup, or more to the point, _should_ I need to do any manual setup?
[04:53:42] <jamesd> jossh, run bash or zsh or tcsh as your shell
[04:54:48] <MindDrive> Okay, I take part of that back... from the console nothing seemed to work, but from within
[04:54:50] <jossh> aha, what does solaris use by default?
[04:54:50] <MindDrive> Okay, I take part of that back... from the console nothing seemed to work, but from within
[04:54:52] <MindDrive> Okay, I take part of that back... from the console nothing seemed to work, but from within
[04:54:58] <MindDrive> Oops, sorry!
[04:55:09] <MindDrive> (I need to learn to hit the arrow key on the correct keyboard. *sigh*)
[04:55:30] <CSFrost> Well MindDrive, I'd never recommend using SXDE, but I have to ask...
[04:55:38] <CSFrost> Have you actually started NWAM already?
[04:56:19] <jamesd> jossh,  it uses  borne shell...  sh
[04:56:27] <CSFrost> there is two network detection systems, NWAM is one of them, you need to kill the normal detection system, and start NWAM in order for it to function.
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[04:56:51] <CSFrost> there is a how to, on the man page on opensolaris.org
[04:57:11] <MindDrive> Once I started a graphical login, yanking the net cable actually made it search and brought up a nice box for me to connect to.  I didn't get an IP, but I think that's because of the way I have my DHCP server set up (I share an IP between the two interfaces on the laptop).
[04:57:45] <dclarke> # cat /etc/passwd | wc -l
[04:57:46] <dclarke>    14792
[04:58:07] <dclarke> hrmm .. got a service call to work on a nice big box here
[04:58:10] <MindDrive> Yep, that's the problem... looks like I need to write a script to release the IP when switching interfaces at home.
[04:58:12] <jamesd> MindDrive, each interface needs its own address..
[04:58:22] <CSFrost> yep yep..
[04:58:31] <CSFrost> you guys saved me the trouble of typing, thanks :-)
[04:58:51] <jamesd> MindDrive, where i work,  each interface usually  has  about 9 or 10 addresses, how about that for twisting your mind.
[04:58:53] <MindDrive> Not with the DHCP server I use, jamesd; it has the ability to assign the same address to multiple clients.
[04:59:10] <CSFrost> concurrently?
[04:59:11] <dclarke> jamesd : ick
[04:59:20] <CSFrost> to minddrive, that is.
[04:59:21] <jamesd> MindDrive, the ability to do it, and  saying you should do it, is not the same
[04:59:25] <MindDrive> The reason I'm only using one address is because my 16 IP subnet is already pretty packed, and I usually don't flip between interfaces. :)
[04:59:27] <CSFrost> jamesd's makes perfect sense.
[04:59:51] <MindDrive> Yes, I understand having separate IPs, but in this case doing so would bring far more pain.
[05:00:00] <jamesd> dclarke, it gets worse, they also have 9 instances of oracle running on the same box
[05:00:08] <dclarke> 9!
[05:00:12] <dclarke> wow
[05:00:15] <MindDrive> And the capability was absolutely necessary for one of our clients (yes, the DHCP server is the one my company makes and I QA).
[05:00:16] <dclarke> not 9 factorial
[05:00:21] <dclarke> I mean 9 loud
[05:00:25] <CSFrost> sounds actually like the way you are doing it (MindDrive) could actually be done better some *other* way.
[05:00:32] <CIA-26> pl196000: 6556707 add uart debug output support
[05:01:01] <jamesd> prstat -t     oracle using   320GB of memory...   even though most of it is shared memory,  the box only has 32GB of ram and 8 cpus
[05:01:08] <pjlv> quick question...are the network interrupts handled by a single cpu or are they distributed across cpus
[05:01:28] <dlg> pjlv: hardware interrupts are bound to one cpu
[05:01:42] <dlg> if a nic can provide multiple interrupts, its possible those will be spread over cpus
[05:01:44] <dclarke> run mpstat
[05:01:54] <dclarke> then you can see the intr on one CPU are always high
[05:01:57] <MindDrive> Does it require multiple IPs, CSFrost?  If so, then no, there really isn't an easier way.  When I boot into Windows I simply do an 'ipconfig /reset' before switching interfaces, but on the Solaris side I'd rather have that automatic, at least for home.  For work it's not necessary.
[05:02:00] <dlg> but thats not very likely except on really really recent nics
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[05:02:16] <dclarke> with psradm you cna shut off procs one by one and also set which proc can handle interrups or not
[05:02:37] <kaiwai> hmm, don't want to turn them all off, or otherwise the computer might die :P
[05:02:46] <pjlv> i am doing STUN performance testing at work at I noticing that a complete cpu seems to be occupied such handling interrupts (intrstat)
[05:02:48] <dclarke> you can't
[05:02:58] <dclarke> at least .. thankfully .. I don't think you can
[05:03:23] <kaiwai> dclarke: its a joke :P you could disable processors on BeOS when I used it years ago
[05:03:36] <CSFrost> MindDrive, then do it how you wish, I never believed much in limitations I guess.
[05:03:47] <CSFrost> jamesd, octo opty boxies?
[05:03:50] <dclarke> it would be a lark to modify the source to psradm to drop thje last proc
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[05:04:55] <jamesd> CSFrost, yeah, i'm not totally sure how they do it, but each application has its own  nic allias and filesystems, and there are multiple copies of oracle running....
[05:05:20] <jamesd> only been there 8 days, i'm a SA not a dba
[05:05:36] <CSFrost> be glad of that :-)
[05:06:01] <kaiwai> I remember being an SA, back in the good old days
[05:06:19] <e^ipi> no you don't, you're 25
[05:06:22] <jamesd> yeap, but i do sit in the same isle as them, they have to maintain,   MS SQL, SyBase, and oracle.
[05:06:29] <CSFrost> I assume they have some method to the madness though jamesd, so I wouldn't frown on it without learning why :-)
[05:06:38] <kaiwai> e^ipi: I'm now 26, not too long till I retire :P
[05:07:20] <jamesd> CSFrost, i'm not, i set up the 9th  nic alias  on the box today...  it has  172 days of up time.
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[05:08:32] <CSFrost> jamesd, are these solaris boxes? or linux?
[05:08:57] <jamesd> CSFrost, fujitsu power 650....  running solaris 8
[05:09:12] <jamesd> with storage on a NAS except for  boot drives
[05:09:54] <kaiwai> fujitsu, apparently they're quite nice kit
[05:10:05] <jamesd> i dont think you can keep a  8 proc  red hat boxes, running 9 oracle applictions up for 6 months.
[05:10:26] <jamesd> kaiwai, yes but expensive as hell...
[05:10:52] <kaiwai> jamesd: the performance of their latest SPARC processors are nothing to sneeeze at mind you
[05:11:17] <jamesd> kaiwai, yes they are quite nice... 2.1ghz
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[05:12:24] <CSFrost> jamesd, trying to come up with an explaination now.. but not too sure myself, I was thinking the nics might have had individually network filtering traits or such..  but it's all internal network?
[05:12:30] <MindDrive> Okay, I did find an available IP (for now), and NWAM works flawlessly; I guess doing things while the system is in console mode makes it unhappy.  Thanks for the help, folks.
[05:13:16] <jamesd> CSFrost, yes all internal, not even DMZ boxes... i think they are done that way so that they can move an app to another box should they need to scale...
[05:14:07] <jamesd> they even frown on virtualization for the most part...  they keep adding servers, though i have seen some vmware boxes...
[05:14:18] <CSFrost> ah, and no one left you a little diary or how-things-work manual for you to read?
[05:15:02] <CSFrost> which placement did you end up getting hired for? was this an investment house?
[05:15:21] <jamesd> CSFrost, i'm part of the unix team,  been there all of 8 days,  still finding little things that give hints, and  have to probe the minds of my other team workers, last week was slow... 75% of the team was on vacation.
[05:15:36] <CSFrost> hehe
[05:16:29] <jamesd> you can say that.
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[05:16:51] <jbk> the week after i started my current job, the only other sysadmin on site went on vacation for 4 weeks :)
[05:17:34] <CSFrost> jamesd, it's always odd how investment style places never wish to save where they can though :-)
[05:18:08] <CSFrost> jbk, had he not had one for a while? or just didn't want to have to bother training?
[05:18:13] <jamesd> jbk that would be bad...   my team has 140 servers, at two datacenters.. and i don't have access rights to the one that is local the other is 1500 miles away.. and i dont have access rights to that one either
[05:18:20] <jbk> wel he had it planned well before i started
[05:19:43] <jbk> of course, now i find out that in the group i support, they hired away an entire group of developers from another company, while i'm sure they're very good in their problem domain, their overall architecture reeks of excessive hubris (we can reinvent everything but the OS)
[05:19:56] <jbk> and it's designed to replace all other applications in this particular business unit
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[05:20:32] <CSFrost> so your a hp-ux admin now jbk?
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[05:20:42] <jamesd> and this place you have to kiss major ass to change a single line in a config on a production server,   simple change takes 2-3 days, a major change that is important can take 15 days or longer tor get approved.
[05:20:47] <kaiwai> people use hp-ux?
[05:20:51] <kaiwai> I thought it was dead
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[05:21:27] <jamesd> okay.. bed time...  have to work tomorow :-)
[05:21:35] <CSFrost> night James.
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[05:33:14] <jossh> where might i find the latest info on zfs crypto?
[05:33:33] <CSFrost> perhaps the mailing list? or blogs.sun.com
[05:34:00] <jossh> thanks
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[05:38:53] <CSFrost> night all :-)
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[05:50:00] <Atomdrache> Hardware question:  Just got an Ultra 80 in the mail today and I'm trying to install SXCE on it.  (Hangs when attempting to boot from hard drives--probably wiped).  But it hangs on boot cdrom.  Bood disk also does nothing.  Won't respond to stop-A when I do this.  But so far no evidence of failures from OBP diagnostics (so far, that is; haven't tried serial terminal yet).  Does this problem sound familiar?
[05:51:32] <comay> Flash Player 9 for Solaris released today :-)
[05:51:37] <kaiwai> omg!
[05:51:38] <kaiwai> really?
[05:51:44] <Atomdrache> Also, nice :D
[05:51:49] <comay> yes.  adobe.com
[05:51:53] <kaiwai> hopefully they'v fixex up the crash with the....site I visit
[05:52:43] <comay> it's version 9,0,47,0
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[05:53:05] <kaiwai> comay: cool, I'm downloading SXCE right now to install
[05:53:06] <dclarke> does it work ?
[05:53:17] <dclarke> the new Adobe stuff I mean
[05:53:21] <kaiwai> dclarke: I've yet to test it
[05:53:26] <dclarke> k
[05:53:34] <EchoBinary>  is it possible to have multiple raid-z's in a zpool?
[05:53:43] <Atomdrache> Has anybody had or heard of this problem with a U80 or similar?
[05:53:52] <kaiwai> dclarke: it would be cool if they made their development tools available for Solaris - given it is based on Eclipse
[05:54:10] <kaiwai> although I'd love to see JavaFX take off, I don't think it will
[05:54:17] <Atomdrache> Hmm...that time it tried to boot and said "The file just loaded does not appear to be executable".  That's a new one...
[05:54:28] <Atomdrache> I'll try booting from CD again, I guess.
[05:55:56] <kaiwai> atomdrache: what happened?
[05:56:01] <kaiwai> did you update to the latest build?
[05:56:38] <kaiwai> might re-rip my music again, given all of it is in atrac :(
[05:56:47] <Atomdrache> It is the latest build.  But I have no idea what was on here before.
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[05:57:05] <Atomdrache> When I first got it, it hung at "Boot device: disk File and args:  "
[05:57:18] <Atomdrache> (Does that mean there's nothing installed, or that something is hosed?)
[05:57:26] <kaiwai> sounds like  it
[05:57:35] <Atomdrache> Which, that nothing is installed or something is hosed?
[05:57:49] <kaiwai> something is hosed most likely
[05:57:54] <Atomdrache> Crap.
[05:57:57] <Atomdrache> Any idea what?
[05:58:21] <kaiwai> well, have you tried booting up to single shell with the install dvd?
[05:58:22] <Tempt> Here we have Kaiwai, local SPARC hardware expert.
[05:58:32] <Atomdrache> I am about to try that again.
[05:58:34] <kaiwai> Tempt: I didn't know it was a SPARC dick head
[05:58:41] <blakej> Has anyone gotten Xorg working inside a zone?
[05:58:52] <_mary_kate_> ... why does "smpatch analyze" show me obsoleted patches?
[05:58:53] <Tempt> "<Atomdrache> Hardware question:  Just got an Ultra 80 in the mail "
[05:58:57] <Atomdrache> First time I told it "boot cdrom", it barfed a bunch of hex on the screen and rebooted to "Boot device: disk", hanging.
[05:59:09] <Atomdrache> Tempt:  That is why I am worried =O
[05:59:15] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Tried booting it from the network?
[05:59:22] <Atomdrache> Haven't the means to network boot.
[05:59:35] <Atomdrache> (Sysadmin recoils with disgust at the suggestion.)
[05:59:45] <Tempt> Try pulling the drives and boot cdrom -s
[05:59:58] <Atomdrache> Shell?
[05:59:59] <Tempt> single user
[06:00:02] <Atomdrache> Oh.
[06:00:05] <Atomdrache> Hmm.
[06:00:08] <dclarke> network boot rules
[06:00:11] <Tempt> It'll just give you a shell prompt
[06:00:16] <dclarke> its the *only* way to fly
[06:00:17] <Atomdrache> Let's see.
[06:00:20] <Tempt> And if it gets that far you know you don't have b0rken hardware
[06:00:24] <Atomdrache> Can't open boot device.
[06:00:31] <Atomdrache> Haven't pulled the drives yet, though.
[06:00:35] * dclarke suggests prayer
[06:00:38] <Atomdrache> We suspect a hosed CD-ROM drive.
[06:00:43] <Tempt> I've seen cases of "data scrubbing" tools dumping the wrong sort of crap on spindles and Solaris having a hard time dealing with it.
[06:00:50] <dclarke> so netboot ..
[06:00:50] <Atomdrache> Hmm?
[06:01:19] <Atomdrache> dclarke: Not an option.
[06:01:21] <Tempt> Might be worth setting OBP back to defaults
[06:01:26] <EchoBinary>  is it possible to have multiple raid-z's in a zpool?
[06:01:33] <Atomdrache> Sysadmin tried resetting the nvram.
[06:01:38] <dclarke> ohwell .. just trying to help
[06:02:04] <Atomdrache> I know.  But something about the idea of a network boot, which would depend on his machines, bothers him.
[06:02:27] <Tempt> Network boot just for test. Don't leave it netbooting.
[06:02:38] <Tempt> Anyway, try pulling the spindles out and booting from CD into singleuser.
[06:02:47] <dclarke> on a totally unrelated note .. I am builinf snv_68 again .. for the fourth time this week
[06:02:52] <dclarke> hoping for the best
[06:03:28] <dclarke> oh .. and word to the wise .. do not set moddebug in /etc/system unless you are okay with watching paint dry while your machine boots
[06:04:00] <dclarke> even mundane tasks take on a whole new level of verbosity
[06:04:11] <dclarke> like .. insert a USB stick : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/bootlog/USB_attach.log
[06:04:19] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I'll try yanking the disks.
[06:04:28] <dclarke> fascinating to see all that transpires
[06:04:55] <Atomdrache> Well resetting the nvram might've done somthing.
[06:04:58] <Atomdrache> Isn't hanging.
[06:05:22] <Atomdrache> Now the CD-ROM drive reports "Can't open boot device", and the disk reports "The file just loaded does not appear to be executable."
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[06:05:43] <Atomdrache> (we also suspect SCSI buggery, but OBP tests of the SCSI devices suggest all is well)
[06:05:50] <Atomdrache> Hmm.
[06:05:51] <Tempt> Hmmm
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[06:06:01] <Tempt> You aren't trying to boot a DVD in a CD drive are you?
[06:06:02] <Atomdrache> Okay, yanking hard drives after I poke a few more things.
[06:06:05] <Atomdrache> Oh wait.
[06:06:15] <Atomdrache> The CD wasn't there.
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[06:06:17] <Atomdrache> d'oh
[06:06:20] <Atomdrache> Trying this again.
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[06:07:08] <Atomdrache> Haven't got a DVD.  (We burned SXCE to CD-Rs because we live in Po Dunk.)
[06:08:09] <Atomdrache> SunOS Release 5.11 blah blah blah spinning cursor...
[06:08:15] <Atomdrache> Let's see what it does now.
[06:08:51] <_mary_kate_> people still burn real media to install? :)
[06:08:52] <Atomdrache> Eww, panic.
[06:08:54] <Atomdrache> Rebooted.
[06:09:03] <Atomdrache> Ewwwww....
[06:09:20] <Atomdrache> Okay, it really doesn't like that.
[06:10:07] <kaiwai> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070710-report-questions-the-value-of-microsofts-software-assurance-program.html <-- People question the value of Microsofts software assurance programme - I'm shocked!
[06:10:16] <Atomdrache> Aaand it did uncivilized things to my framebuffer O_o
[06:11:23] <Atomdrache> On another note:
[06:11:52] <Atomdrache> My E450's UPA probe mask wasn't set to zero.  THAT'S why only three processors were coming online.  At least that machine's doing what it should.
[06:12:18] <Atomdrache> THAT was a confusing one to diagnose.  I gave up on it until a certain creepy hacker was poking at Open Boot and saw that.
[06:12:37] <jossh> is anyone familiar with TrueCrypt and any possible way to get it running on solaris? or at least a similar program?
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[06:22:51] <Atomdrache> Hmm.  I'm going to make sure the CD-R is good.  Trying to boot my old b55b SXCE disc.
[06:24:46] <Atomdrache> Nope, that barfs too.  CD-ROM drive is quite likely screwed.
[06:26:02] <Tempt> What's the panic message?
[06:27:13] <Atomdrache> Hard to read it.  It gets covered with hex barf and reboots rather promptly.
[06:27:42] <Atomdrache> (serial terminal is an option, but for physical reasons really sucks to do in here)
[06:28:13] <Atomdrache> But both the b67 and b55b discs yield that when I try to boot them.
[06:36:22] <Atomdrache> Cute, it has an interlock.  Well, hard drives are out and I'm about to try booting from the CD with the hard drives out.
[06:37:04] <Atomdrache> If it still shoots itself in the foot, I'll know to suspect the CD-ROM drive.  (A friend is bringing one by; if that one sucks too, I can pull another out of a currently non-operational SS630MP which is currently waiting for an OS.)
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[06:38:40] <Atomdrache> An alarmingly large fraction of the times I try to do that, it hangs...
[06:40:50] <Atomdrache> Hung again.
[06:40:59] <Atomdrache> I blame the CD-ROM drive.
[06:41:57] <kaiwai> *hands Atomdrache an axe*
[06:42:29] <Atomdrache> If I replace it with another and get the U80 to work, I will consider twelve-gauge disposal of the old CD-ROM drive.
[06:42:32] <kaiwai> you teach that cdrom drive whose boss
[06:42:57] <Atomdrache> Charged with being a recalcitrant boob and preventing me from booting my computer.  Sentenced to hick firing squad.
[06:44:26] <jossh> does the OS inside a solaris container have it's own filesystem inside say a disk image or does it write to the fs it's stored on?
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[06:45:43] <kaiwai> Atomdrache: I know it sound stupid, but the cables aren't damaged in anyway?
[06:46:03] <Atomdrache> I've never used one, but keeping in mind you can boot Linux and such in there, the existence of operating systems that don't support, say, zfs, would seem to necessitate a seperate FS.  <--uninformed opinion.
[06:46:04] <Atomdrache> Eh, they might be.
[06:46:11] <Atomdrache> They looked fine to me, though.
[06:46:25] <Atomdrache> CD-ROM drive failures seem a lot more common, though.
[06:46:42] <Atomdrache> Barfs with two seperate SXCE install disks, even without any of the hard drives installed.
[06:46:53] <jossh> atomdrache: yeah, i'm trying to work together a seemingly linux only application (truecrypt) and zfs. there's gotta be a way.
[06:46:56] <Atomdrache> Kernel panic or hang.
[06:47:03] <kaiwai> jossh: I can't remember, all know, it won't be an image; it uses some weird way of doing it without much overhead
[06:47:14] <Atomdrache> The lack of overhead is what sounds so cool about it.
[06:47:19] <Atomdrache> I really want to try it.
[06:48:20] <jossh> kaiwai: so say i'm using a linux kernel of sorts, i know there's a centos image on opensolaris.org. do you think it would be able to read and write to zfs?
[06:48:43] <_mary_kate_> jossh: it can see any filesystem the host can see
[06:48:49] <_mary_kate_> jossh: but only on the FS level, not the device level
[06:49:19] <kaiwai> hmm, mary kate alson
[06:49:39] <_mary_kate_> olsen
[06:50:40] <kaiwai> someone needs to give her a job bucket of KFC - last time I saw a picture, it looked like she was on deaths door
[06:50:50] <kaiwai> *big
[06:51:09] <jossh> _mary_kate_ that means it will be able to manipulate files fine?
[06:51:15] <_mary_kate_> jossh: yes
[06:51:18] <Atomdrache> kaiwai: Skeleton, eh?
[06:51:24] <_mary_kate_> jossh: basically the fs is mounted inside the zone
[06:51:56] <jossh> _mary_kate_ awesome! my project just *might* work then
[06:52:38] * kaiwai throws confetti in the air
[06:53:24] <jossh> heh pretty much
[06:53:31] <Atomdrache> A head in the living room turned.  I hope that's the CD-ROM drive.
[06:53:34] <jossh> there's just no good setup for full disk encryption under solaris
[06:54:02] <Atomdrache> Is it true that sparcv9 can't multiply two 64-bit numbers directly?
[06:54:18] <Atomdrache> I hear that hurts encryption, at least for SPARC Solaris.
[06:54:28] <Atomdrache> (i.e. makes it slow)
[06:54:31] <kaiwai> hmm, not too sure
[06:54:46] <Atomdrache> Sun also sold PCI cards to take care of that, though.
[06:55:07] <jossh> ah yeah. there's a big list of solaris supported crypto pci cards
[06:55:18] <Atomdrache> Probably all because of that little SPARC problem.
[06:55:39] <Atomdrache> Which, if it's true, makes me wonder:  Whiskey tango foxtrot did they do that for?
[06:55:46] <kaiwai> not really, I think it has to do more with using something dedicated which does the job alot better than general purpose processor
[06:55:58] <_mary_kate_> i would imagine the hardware crypto cards are much faster than any CPU implementation
[06:56:05] <Atomdrache> It would take a lot of the load off the CPU, that's for sure.
[06:56:12] <_mary_kate_> (although the T1 - which is sparcv9 - apparently is very good at RSA)
[06:56:18] <Atomdrache> Hmm.
[06:56:18] <g4lt-U60> or it could be that sun realized that putting crypto on the CPU is a fools errand
[06:56:30] <Atomdrache> Maybe the fixed it after US-II (again, assuming it's true).
[06:56:59] <jossh> _mary_kate_ so the entire filesystem from a container would receives the benefits of zfs?
[06:57:06] * Tempt would rather just slam a crypto card in and not burden the CPU.
[06:57:41] <Atomdrache> I would agree with that.  But I wonder if that flaw--again, if it exists--would harm other floating-point operations.
[06:58:02] <kaiwai> g4lt-U60: then again, aren't they adding/added cryptoacceleration to their new sparc processors?
[06:58:07] <_mary_kate_> jossh: i'm not entirely sure how it works on linux off hand.  with solaris zones you can mount a zfs filesystem, and the zone administrator can manipulate filesystem under that himself.  linux has no zfs tools, so i imagine that isn't possible, but you'll get all the "passive" benefits (compression, checksums, etc... encryption when it arrives)
[06:58:41] <g4lt-U60> kaiwai, I never said that putting it on the PCI bus was more useful... ;P
[06:59:21] <kaiwai> g4lt-U60: bah, the easier and more exciting is simply to chase after hackers with an AK47 :)
[06:59:53] <jossh> _mary_kate_ ah
[06:59:57] <g4lt-U60> kaiwai, s/AK47/M-60/, commie
[07:00:36] <kaiwai> lol
[07:01:11] <kaiwai> mini-discs are quite good as a good storage drive
[07:02:07] <kaiwai> I kick myself not purchasing a T1 based machine when they had it on special
[07:03:08] <jossh> is it true that applications run within containers aren't in the global zone? and if so, has there been any work on making them able to run in the global zone?
[07:03:39] <kaiwai> the value of the US$ dropping makes life easier for me though :)
[07:03:49] <kaiwai> makes all those US$ goods that wee bit cheaper
[07:03:52] <_mary_kate_> jossh: yes, and kind of
[07:04:12] <jossh> _mary_kate_ kind of?
[07:04:19] <_mary_kate_> jossh: there was a tool called "lxrun" that tried to run Linux executables on solaris - in the global zone, since this was pre-zones.  but it's now very old and can't run many modern programs
[07:04:46] <jossh> ah, i remember reading about that
[07:05:07] <kaiwai> hmm, nice priced tadpole on ebay
[07:06:17] <Tempt> item #?
[07:06:33] <kaiwai> http://cgi.ebay.com/Tadpole-Viper-Notbook-1-2-GHz-UltraSPARC_W0QQitemZ120139786504QQihZ002QQcategoryZ177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[07:09:04] <jossh> i'm sorry, i'm sure this could be answered by reading around but i'm hoping someone here knows the answer: is an OS in a solaris container protected by the system's firewall?
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[07:09:40] <_mary_kate_> jossh: it can be, except that you can't (yet) do inter-zone filewalling
[07:09:53] <_mary_kate_> but ipf on the wire will work fine.
[07:10:17] <_mary_kate_> that either was fixed recently in nevada or will be soon, i don't remember
[07:10:29] <jossh> so the zone is unable to have it's own but it's protected by the system-wide firewall?
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[07:10:35] <_mary_kate_> yes
[07:10:41] <LeftWing> http://blogs.sun.com/avalon/entry/nevada_solaris_10_update_4
[07:10:50] <_mary_kate_> but since every zone has its own IP / virtual interface, it's easy to have different rules for the zone vs the global
[07:11:14] <jossh> ah alright
[07:13:23] <jossh> is there any difference between running linux in a zone/container  and solaris containers for linux?
[07:13:48] <_mary_kate_> "solaris containers for linux applications" is the marketing / product name for linux zones
[07:13:53] <_mary_kate_> same thing
[07:14:22] <g4lt-U60> brandz FTW ;)
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[07:18:06] <jossh> aha
[07:18:34] <kaiwai> hmm, why does Solaris 10 demand personal details for download?
[07:18:44] <Atomdrache> Okay, that drive isn't working either.  Time for a *known* good CD-ROM drive.
[07:18:55] <jossh> has there been any attempt at running unmodified linux kernel modules on solaris? is there any way?
[07:19:00] <Atomdrache> (If that fails, then either I need to sacrifice a goat to my SCSI chain or some part of my chipset is on fire.)
[07:19:17] <_mary_kate_> jossh: there is/was a porting kit for linux ethernet drivers.  other than that i don't think so
[07:19:58] <kaiwai> hmm, once one puts OpenSound into the mix, there are very few devices that linux supports which solaris doesnt
[07:20:29] <_mary_kate_> (last time i looked, sun had removed the download page for that kit)
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[07:21:36] <kaiwai> anyone famila with WEP and Solaris?
[07:22:11] <kaiwai> do you use your passphrase or the hex when requested?
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[07:26:08] <jossh> kaiwai one, then the other if it doesn't work heh
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[07:26:55] <kaiwai> oh well
[07:27:27] <kaiwai> its going to be interestign to see what project indiana will bring
[07:27:58] <Gman> world peace.
[07:28:16] <_mary_kate_> i guess nmaw will have a snazzy gui for wireless config :)
[07:28:36] <kaiwai> minidisc support would be nice
[07:28:49] <palowoda> Heh, put it on your list of items to integrate.
[07:29:02] <kaiwai> boyfriend too, but hey, minidisc would make up for everything wrong in my life :)
[07:29:34] <jossh> is there a detailed specification on what the limitations are within containers in terms of kernel-level functionality?
[07:30:05] <_mary_kate_> there's a short list of unimplemented features in the brandz faq
[07:31:37] <jossh> i'm thinking that since BrandZ uses kernel modules to provide kernel-level functionality for specific brands, if a user just had a fully featured kernel module, then just about everything that's possible on linux would be possible on solaris right?
[07:32:00] <jossh> is the only thing holding people back from doing it concerns about overhead?
[07:32:01] <kaiwai> has b67 got a rebuild of JDS?
[07:33:16] <_mary_kate_> jossh: yes, but there's a big difference between supporting the userland/syscalls (fairly easy, someone just needs to write it) and supporting linux kernel modules - because brandz is not really an emulator or linux kernel implementation, it just translates the linux syscalls to equivalent solaris syscalls, and runs the linux programs effectively natively
[07:33:42] <e^ipi> like how BSD does it
[07:34:13] <kaiwai> hmm, Linux really doesn't have a stable driver API/ABI, so it would be difficult to implement I guess
[07:34:39] <palowoda> Brandz only supports the 2.4 linux syscalls.
[07:34:57] <jossh> hm. i'm only looking for the truecrypt module really and i'm figuring how hard it would be to put together
[07:35:09] <_mary_kate_> yes, but adding 2.6 is mostly just busy work
[07:35:13] <Gman> Tpenta, just converting monday's talk into mp3 now
[07:35:20] <e^ipi> jossh: is it just a filesystem driver?
[07:35:30] <kaiwai> hmm, Windows Brandz would be great though :-)
[07:36:19] <jossh> e^ipi: i've just started reading into it but it appears that way
[07:36:27] <e^ipi> is it GPL ?
[07:37:07] <palowoda> Didn't truecrypt start on BSD?
[07:37:46] <e^ipi> because filesystem driver interfaces are pretty well documented, but if it's a GPL project, it's owner might not let you violate the GPL in order to port it
[07:38:33] <jossh> truecrypt has it's own license i guess. no official license listed on sourceforge. i actually haven't found it on their site.
[07:38:48] <jossh> afaik truecrypt has only been on linux and windows
[07:38:53] <palowoda> http://www.truecrypt.org/license.php
[07:40:58] <kaiwai> dear god I can't stand that whiny american country accent - I wish had a gun
[07:43:15] <palowoda> I'll sends some Texan's down there.  They have all kinds of guns and shoot first and forget to ask questions later.
[07:43:37] <kaiwai> "sends?"
[07:43:44] <kaiwai> dear god, thats almost as bad as 'anyways'
[07:44:03] <palowoda> You'all knows about it.
[07:44:14] <kaiwai> *shudder*
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[07:51:24] <estibi> hi
[07:52:24] <jossh> hi :)
[07:53:29] <e^ipi> viva italia...
[07:53:39] <e^ipi> those guys know how to make a decent dirt-cheap bottle of wine
[07:54:58] <palowoda> Vensento (sp?)  Loved it when I was in the Tuscan area.
[07:55:21] <palowoda> Can't get it here in the states.
[07:55:22] <e^ipi> Farnese at the moment
[07:55:41] <e^ipi> for how much I paid for it ( $7 ) it's fabulous
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[07:59:37] <palmerandyc> wute
[07:59:40] <palmerandyc> will r joo here
[08:00:03] <e^ipi> uhh... okay
[08:00:18] <palmerandyc> hey ipi how u been
[08:01:48] <e^ipi> umm... fine
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[08:02:00] <palmerandyc> dang wills in another room
[08:02:10] <palmerandyc> goodbye
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[08:08:03] <Atomdrache> Well, I've narrowed it down, I think, to a creepy SCSI problem.  (Reassuring.)
[08:12:01] <kaiwai> hmm, creepy SCSI problem - must be related to al-gore
[08:12:40] <e^ipi> do you even think about what you're going to say before you say it?
[08:12:57] <kaiwai> have you see al-gore?
[08:13:02] <kaiwai> *seen
[08:13:16] <e^ipi> so i'll take that as a no then
[08:13:45] <kaiwai> yes I do
[08:13:52] <kaiwai> Al-Gore is creepy
[08:14:21] <e^ipi> are you on drugs?
[08:14:28] <e^ipi> and i'm not being facetious
[08:14:35] <kaiwai> no
[08:14:38] <e^ipi> it's a serious question... are you currently intoxicated on narcotics
[08:14:43] <kaiwai> no
[08:15:41] <palowoda> Have you considered them?
[08:15:55] <kaiwai> nope
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[08:18:57] <estibi> :)
[08:19:06] <palowoda> :)
[08:19:29] <jossh> aww
[08:19:34] <jossh> he wasn't so bad
[08:19:46] <e^ipi> jossh: don't be sad, he's been the channel troll for months
[08:19:55] <jossh> ah
[08:20:10] <_mary_kate_> at least he didn't mention pcfs
[08:20:17] <LeftWing> Or how retarded SPARC is.
[08:20:27] <e^ipi> or his godforsaken wifi card
[08:20:32] <jossh> i usually can't tell the difference between people like that and bots
[08:20:37] <LeftWing> Or AMD/ATI/Sun/Intel/Baskin Robbins.
[08:20:48] <palowoda> Or usb connections.
[08:22:16] <e^ipi> i was mentioning to someone earlier... I think he's a demon
[08:22:29] <e^ipi> he was gone for a couple weeks, and the other day someone mentioned him
[08:22:34] <e^ipi> and surprise, he was here
[08:22:43] <e^ipi> just like when you summon evil demons
[08:22:44] <palowoda> You mean a 'bot'?
[08:23:07] <e^ipi> nah, even the most rudimentary AI is more intelligent than that
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[08:36:11] <jossh> anyone know of any other tarballs of preinstalled environments similar to the CentOS one on the BrandZ download page?
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[08:39:24] <Gman> hi RobG
[08:39:24] <RobG> Hello!
[08:39:24] <RobG> Which country u in?
[08:39:24] <Gman> london heathrow, bmi lounge
[08:39:24] <e^ipi> heh
[08:39:24] <RobG> lol
[08:39:51] <RobG> Probaably more chance of catching up with you when I'm in the Bay Area next month than in Wellington ;-)
[08:40:29] <RobG> e^ipi... u can probably help me with my C 101 question i have
[08:40:49] <e^ipi> i should hope a lot of people could
[08:41:18] <RobG> I'm trying to follow some C code (which I don't normally read)
[08:41:57] <RobG> First there's a define in once *.c file which says double tdiff
[08:42:28] <Doc> is wellington going to be freezeing again next week when i'm there?
[08:42:29] <RobG> Then in another one there is a int mers(double *tdiff)
[08:42:45] <e^ipi> like, #define double tdiff"
[08:42:48] <RobG> what does the '*' meand in front of the *tdiff?
[08:42:51] <e^ipi> pointer
[08:43:10] <RobG> pointer to what?
[08:43:15] <e^ipi> double * tdiff holds a memory location to a double
[08:44:54] <RobG> oky thx
[08:44:59] <e^ipi> so you can do like, *tdiff = 3.14;, but " tdiff = 3.14 " is meaningless
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[08:46:25] <Gman> RobG, i'm there 30th july to 1st august
[08:46:30] <jossh> heh i was just learnin c++ a few months ago and that took me an entire afternoon to figure out. also how they related to arrays.
[08:47:25] <e^ipi> *shrug* I also write assembly on occasion, so the concept of pointers was just natural
[08:47:41] <e^ipi> TBH, i dig C++, but not as a beginners language
[08:47:55] <e^ipi> in fact, any object-oriented language shouldn't be taught as a first language
[08:48:01] <jossh> ah well i'm moving over from VB and TI-BASIC
[08:48:05] <e^ipi> too much abstraction
[08:48:51] <e^ipi> if you don't grok how the machine works, things come much less easily
[08:48:58] <RobG> I just lodged my first ever change to a C program... adding a timestamp to a log file... I feel so empowered
[08:49:05] <e^ipi> w00t
[08:49:18] <jossh> gj ;D
[08:49:55] <e^ipi> but in all seriousness you have to start somewhere
[08:49:56] <RobG> I first asked GSoC Tom to do it and then I thought this is my chance for glory!
[08:50:17] <e^ipi> oh, right... speaking of GSoC
[08:50:22] <e^ipi> gdamore: you around?
[08:54:19] <Gman> RobG, fun!
[08:54:50] <trochej> Coffee?
[08:55:39] * Gman on his 4th can of pepsi, and 3 espressos
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[08:55:47] <Gman> < spot the guy who's just come off a plane
[08:55:50] <RobG> Gman, where u flying to now?
[08:55:53] <Gman> dublin
[08:56:04] <e^ipi> at least you're not drinking drip
[08:57:12] <RobG> OT: Can you bring beer into the USA?
[08:57:43] <RobG> I'm in debt to a few California based engineers
[08:57:46] <e^ipi> if it's like every other country in the world ( middle east notwithstanding ), certain amounts ought to be okay
[08:58:13] <palowoda> As long as it's Budwiser.
[08:58:24] <RobG> The sort of defeats the point
[08:58:32] <RobG> of bringing it from NZ
[08:58:47] <palowoda> Just kidding.
[08:59:00] <palowoda> Bud isn't real beer anyways.
[08:59:17] <RobG> gee I was just typing that
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[09:00:50] <Gman> e^ipi, drip being a drink? or the thing that you insert into your arm?
[09:01:07] <e^ipi> no, drip as in the method americans use to ruin perfectly good coffee beans
[09:02:17] <e^ipi> pour not nearly hot enough water over some ground coffee & strip the flavour out with a filter, leaving only a sour brown transparent liquid
[09:02:36] <Gman> ahh, ok
[09:02:39] <Gman> we call it filter coffee
[09:02:47] <e^ipi> and then leave it on a hot plate until it's burned
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[09:08:33] <Atomdrache> So is anybody in here familiar with SCSI on Ultras?
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[09:12:46] <Tempt> THat U80 still giving you a hard time
[09:13:23] <Atomdrache> Has yet to boot from the CD-ROM.
[09:13:40] <Atomdrache> I've even yanked the working CD-ROM drive out of my SS630MP.
[09:13:48] <Atomdrache> But at this point I'm not sure how I should have the jumpers set.
[09:14:19] <Atomdrache> Or how to tell if they're set correctly besides attempting to boot.
[09:14:46] <Atomdrache> Or if the hard drives are working correctly.
[09:15:22] <gdamore> e^ipi: you rang?
[09:15:31] <e^ipi> yes, CR's all set up
[09:15:38] <trochej> http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone
[09:15:38] <e^ipi> cr.opensolaris.org/~error404
[09:15:59] <gdamore> cool.  i'll have a look at later.  it might be a day or two.
[09:16:04] <gdamore> tomorrow is going to be very very busy
[09:16:52] <Atomdrache> (I am at least relieved to know I'm not as dumb as some guy in an Ubuntu forum who complains "I don't know how to get into the BIOS" on his Ultra 80.)
[09:16:52] <e^ipi> yeah, dunno when the review deadline is
[09:17:48] <ofu> is update4 still 08/07?
[09:17:58] <gdamore> i think so.
[09:18:07] <gdamore> deadline for comments is the 16th, i think.
[09:18:34] <Doc> yay to 3 monthly update releases!
[09:18:57] <gdamore> internally the u4 build for ON at least has been spun.
[09:19:02] <_mary_kate_> shouldn't it have been 6/07?
[09:19:07] <gdamore> (or rather, the last anticipated build)
[09:19:29] <Doc> a little known fact is that the numbers are not actually dates, they are just random numbers
[09:19:32] <gdamore> dunno if the WOS is ready yet.
[09:19:45] <Doc> just to day it's happened that they were close (but not quite) the same as when they were actually released!
[09:20:08] <ofu> where can i find changelogs between different zfs versions?
[09:20:45] <_mary_kate_> is there a list of new features in u4 yet?
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[09:32:30] <quasi> _mary_kate_: only the one that went out to people who were part of the beta
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[09:33:18] <quasi> it was known as 7/07
[09:37:00] <Atomdrache> I should go look in my back yard for a pentagram covered in goat blood.  I think it might actually be booting from CD.
[09:37:21] <Atomdrache> Which means that somebody must have performed a sacrificial ritual to appease my SCSI chain.
[09:37:36] <Atomdrache> Never mind, kernel panic.
[09:40:14] <Cyrille> you probably got cheated on the virgin, it's a common mistake to make nowadays in ritual sacrifices.
[09:40:16] <bda> I'd suggest netbooting, but it sounds like it might turn your network into acid.
[09:40:34] <Atomdrache> Sysadmin grudgingly accepted my request to set up a netboot.
[09:40:37] <Atomdrache> But he'll do that tomorrow.
[09:40:46] <Cyrille> better planet alignments?
[09:40:51] <Atomdrache> For now I want to try to watch closely enough to see what's making it panic before the message gets covered in hex vomit.
[09:41:03] <Atomdrache> I'll miss it if I so much as blink.
[09:41:15] <bda> Pause button!
[09:41:50] <_mary_kate_> serial console + typescript?
[09:42:10] <Atomdrache> For physical reasons, setting up a serial terminal in here really sucks and I won't do it unless absolutely necessary.
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[09:42:41] <Atomdrache> Appears it is.
[09:42:52] <_mary_kate_> no net boot, no serial console.. i'm glad i don't work where you do :)
[09:42:53] <Atomdrache> ...memory error?  Did I see those words in there?  I really hope not.
[09:42:58] <bda> Laptop -> serial?
[09:43:00] <Atomdrache> This is in my house.
[09:43:12] <_mary_kate_> your house has a sysadmin?
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[09:43:19] <Atomdrache> In effect.
[09:43:32] <Atomdrache> That is what he does, basically.
[09:44:04] <Atomdrache> I wonder if the memory riser card got unseated or something during shipping.
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[09:44:15] <Atomdrache> I hear that can do bad things to U80s.
[09:45:14] <Atomdrache> The thing is that four people live here with a network with over a dozen computers.  Five of those happen to be Suns on my end of the network.  That many computers justifies the presence of some kind of administrator :D
[09:46:13] <bda> I was reading some admins blog where he had his family submitting trouble tickets to fix things.
[09:46:20] <Atomdrache> (We also remotely administer a radio station from here.)
[09:49:47] <Atomdrache> Okay, serial terminal's hooked up.
[09:50:01] <Atomdrache> (I already borrowed a CD-ROM drive from the ss630MP.  I'll borrow it's terminal too =D)
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[10:04:08] <Atomdrache> Eww.
[10:04:28] <Atomdrache> POST failed:  Cause: TT(0x30): Data Acc Exception Error
[10:04:31] <Atomdrache> Very eww.
[10:04:34] <Atomdrache> Does anybody know what that is?
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[10:06:45] <uttam> hi all
[10:06:47] <uttam> is there any automated tool to optimize/tweak solaris system?
[10:07:16] <trochej> uttam: Yes. It is called System Administrator
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[10:08:33] <uttam> hmm
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[10:16:33] <renihs> trochej, :p
[10:16:49] <renihs> but the admin isnt really automated is it?
[10:16:54] <renihs> (yet)
[10:17:15] <renihs> usually one has to kick them a couple times to fork some child processes
[10:18:05] <trochej> renihs: :)
[10:18:44] <PerterB> there's Virtual Adrian as part of the SE toolkit if you don't want a real sysadmin... might be a bit dated now though with Solaris 10
[10:21:05] <bda> SMF++
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[10:29:41] <Atomdrache> Time to find cause of memory failure.
[10:30:00] <Atomdrache> This'll be fun.
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[10:34:01] <timsf> hi all
[10:34:25] <seanmcg> Morning timsf
[10:34:31] <rasputnik> hey tim
[10:35:13] <rasputnik> is there a way to disable a driver?
[10:35:46] <Berny__> rm /kernel/drv/driver 8-)
[10:35:54] <Berny__> morning
[10:35:59] <rasputnik> Berny__: honestly, I can't think of a better way
[10:36:10] <renihs> disable kernel autoloading
[10:36:12] <renihs> :p
[10:36:22] <renihs> dont compile in first place
[10:36:38] <renihs> ah never mind
[10:36:41] <timsf> vi /etc/name_to_major
[10:36:42] <renihs> too many tabs
[10:36:45] <renihs> ya
[10:36:51] <timsf> just remove the entry from there.. (or rem_drv)
[10:36:59] <rasputnik> I've got ath0 and ipw0 - ath0 can do WPA, ipw can't. But it seems NWAM is trying to configure both , and shitting itself
[10:37:08] <PerterB> use an exclude directive in /etc/system
[10:37:15] <Berny__> remove the entry with rem_drv from /etc/driver_aliases
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[10:37:29] <trochej> Use Linux
[10:37:46] <rasputnik> timsf, PerterB: that'll do nicely thanks - I tried unplumbing, but NWAM replumbs it >_<
[10:37:54] <timsf> No worries.
[10:38:46] <seanmcg> sounds like a bug in nwam ?
[10:41:05] <timsf> Dunno seanmcg, I'd say it /should/ be trying to configure both - one at a time
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[10:41:14] <timsf> but I don't know the design doc in detail I admit...
[10:42:00] <seanmcg> rasputnik: define 'shitting itself' ?-)  nwam trying to configure both at once ? just wondering if nwam is at fault here
[10:42:28] <rasputnik> seanmcg: it's probably nwam - I get the impression it doesn't expect you to have 2 wireless nics.
[10:42:53] <rasputnik> by 'shitting itself' I mean I get errors about duplicate security objects, that sort of thing.
[10:43:18] <PerterB> that seems like something you should file a bug against
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[10:44:37] <rasputnik> I'll do a bug tomorrow, for now I just want to see if it's a 2 nic thing. With a bit of wrestling I can get it working, but I have to randomly unplumb/plumb and dick around with /etc/*.ath0
[10:46:03] <rasputnik> I'm pretty sure that's it though - the 'choose a wlan' dialogue boxes show wlans but don't say which nic sees them. plus I get 2 dialog boxes, which is a clue :)
[10:46:14] <Tempt_> http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone
[10:48:16] <rasputnik> Tempt_: that's a serious blender :)
[10:48:32] <Tempt_> Indeed.
[10:48:53] <Tempt_> It looks like the mother of all commercial blenders. Gimmeh.
[10:49:18] <e^ipi> we use them at work for frappuccinos
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[10:49:55] <quasi> they blend lots of interesting stuff
[10:50:27] <Tempt_> Only $US399 for the blender.
[10:50:35] <Tempt_> Still.
[10:50:42] <Tempt_> It looks like the mother of all blenders and I want one.
[10:51:37] <Tempt_> e^ipi: Gimmeh blender!
[10:51:44] <e^ipi> have a bag of marbles you want turned in to dust?
[10:52:30] <Tempt_> All you need is a pile of AOL CDs.
[10:52:47] <e^ipi> if i were looking to get fired, i'd just start blending random things
[10:52:55] <Berny__> frog soup ready in the blink of the eye
[10:53:16] <Tempt_> You could do at least three kittens in that bastard.
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[10:53:38] <Berny__> yuck
[10:54:07] <Tempt_> Wouldn't be very tasty, but still.
[10:54:15] <Tempt_> If I had a blender like that I'd be blending everything.
[10:54:28] <e^ipi> "Kittens and Creme: The new Frappuccino(R) from Starbucks(R)"
[10:55:43] <Tempt_> I'm sure it'll be on the menu soon enough.
[10:55:52] <e^ipi> maybe in fall
[10:55:58] <e^ipi> august is blueberry...
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[11:03:59] <Tempt_> Man, those guys blend a lot of shit.
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[11:07:14] <Berny__> they're just creative :-)
[11:08:33] <Tempt_> Man, it looks like even more fun than putting random objects in the microwave
[11:09:15] * Tempt_ remembers buying a cheap second hand microwave just to put things in it for kicks.
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[11:10:05] <Berny__> tried a bottle of lighter fluid yet? :>
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[11:13:14] <Atomdrache> ...Oh, now this sucks ass.
[11:13:19] <Atomdrache> That explains the memory errors.
[11:13:38] <Atomdrache> Some of the DIMMs are scraped and have visibly destroyed surface-mount components.
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[11:14:02] <Atomdrache> 20-day non-DOA guarantee, eh?  I'll take him up on that.
[11:14:23] <Tempt> Berny__: Can of butane worked well. Finished the microwave though.
[11:14:26] <Atomdrache> I am now officially pissed.
[11:14:43] <berny> Tempt: got a video of that?
[11:15:32] <Tempt> Nah, didn't video it.
[11:15:43] <berny> you should have
[11:15:52] <Tempt> I did that one before the days of everyone and everything having video capabilities.
[11:16:13] <Tempt> Back when you could still find working microwaves with mechanical timers. It was fired up outside on the end of a long extension cord.
[11:16:14] <berny> hehe
[11:16:26] <Tempt> With a couple of lit firelights for good luck.
[11:16:31] <Tempt> Never found the door.
[11:16:51] <berny> big bang eh?
[11:16:57] <Tempt> Massive.
[11:17:13] <Tempt> Even better than I thought it'd be. A giant fireball, perhaps 3 metres tall.
[11:19:16] <berny> so under siege didn'tlie :-)
[11:20:02] <Tempt> Geez, haven't seen that movie in a while. I wonder if I still have a copy.
[11:20:05] <Cyrille> hollywood movies never lie.
[11:20:12] <Tempt> Yep, still got it.
[11:20:16] <Cyrille> any car hitting anything will blow up in seconds.
[11:20:20] <Tempt> I think this is why I need Tbs of disk space.
[11:20:34] <Cyrille> anyone hit by any bullet will fly backwards into the air.
[11:24:03] <berny> soon as we moved into the new house, i gotta get myself a nice video beamer and get some cool movies :-)
[11:24:48] <Atomdrache> Oh, this is crap.
[11:24:56] <Tempt> You'll never want to go near a cinema again.
[11:25:03] <Atomdrache> Fully half of the DIMMs on the riser card are visibly damaged and missing surface-mount components.
[11:25:07] <Atomdrache> ...Dude, I got hosed!
[11:25:18] <Tempt> You could screwed.
[11:25:25] <Tempt> At least the RAM is reasonably easy to obtain.
[11:25:37] <Atomdrache> Yeah, and POST says that's all that's wrong with it.
[11:25:58] <Tempt> People just keep screwing you around on your second hand hardware purchases.
[11:26:10] <Tempt> Although you seem to be assembling quite a machine army.
[11:26:40] <Atomdrache> Still, after spending $315 on something advertised as "Tested, Guaranteed" to work with a "20-day non-DOA guarantee", when I get a machine with no bootable media and visibly damaged DIMMs, I am not happy.
[11:27:08] <Atomdrache> Fortunately, the e450 just happened to have a weird PROM setting.  My (household resident) sysadmin spotted this, and now all four US-II modules operate in Solaris.
[11:27:17] <Atomdrache> So to date I've only been hosed on one machine.
[11:27:22] <Tempt> Fair cop.
[11:27:28] <Atomdrache> Still, this is just about the hardest I have ever been hosed :O
[11:27:38] <Tempt> I've added that knowledge to my list of things to go wrong with 450s.
[11:27:44] <Atomdrache> I'm going to send this fellow an e-mail.
[11:27:49] <_mary_kate_> i bought a machine once without checking it could run what i wanted.  that sucked :)
[11:27:49] <Atomdrache> Think this justifies negative feedback?
[11:27:52] <berny> so sony produce decent beamers?
[11:27:53] <_mary_kate_> (entirely my fault though..)
[11:28:02] <Tempt> berny: I've got a Sony and I'm very happy with it.
[11:28:12] <berny> hmm, cool which one you got?
[11:28:31] <Tempt> Ummn.
[11:28:41] <Tempt> One with a VGA socket, a power socket and a big lens at the front?
[11:28:46] <Atomdrache> With the e450, it was something about the UPA probe whatsit not being set to zero.  You'd recognize it in Open Boot.  It just never showed up in any repair manuals.  All I saw was "Nixing UPA slot 2".  Well, it's fixed.
[11:28:50] <Atomdrache> Now to get new memory...
[11:28:57] <berny> hehe
[11:29:05] <Atomdrache> For...crap, probably not cheap.
[11:29:10] <Atomdrache> I'll see.
[11:29:11] <Tempt> Atomdrache: If you paid by paypal, I'd be lodging a claim already.
[11:29:46] <Tempt> berny: Can't remember the model, it's one of the reasonably high-end ones from a few years back. Even has RS-232 for control commands.
[11:29:58] <Atomdrache> I mean to keep the thing.  But should I leave negative feedback or just tell him to send me new RAM?  He has helped folks get missing hard drives, to his credit, and has sold hundreds of computers without incident.
[11:30:03] <Tempt> and the remote has mouse/trackpoint functionality.
[11:30:23] <Tempt> I'd try to mediate it first.
[11:30:24] <Atomdrache> It might've just been a weird accident (that just happened to do severe damage to circuitry that is in a difficult-to-reach location).  Maybe.
[11:30:25] <Tempt> Always.
[11:30:33] <Tempt> I've had a few ebay purchases turn up utterly trashed.
[11:30:37] <Atomdrache> Or maybe it's just that nobody on eBay who sells Suns knows how to do a good POST.
[11:30:40] <Tempt> Always got reasonable settlement.
[11:30:52] <_mary_kate_> Atomdrache: how was it packed?
[11:30:53] <Tempt> I wouldn't sell a Sun machine on ebay without burning it in with VTS for a while.
[11:31:00] <Atomdrache> Very well, actually.
[11:31:24] <Atomdrache> Big foam things on the corners, entire unit wrapped in thick, heavy bubble wrap, surrounded on all sides by at least four inches' worth of packing peanuts.
[11:31:31] <Atomdrache> The box is bigger than my Sparcserver 630MP.
[11:31:37] <berny> hmm, gotta call my brother he works for sony 8-)
[11:31:37] <Tempt> Try to settle it peacefully and you'll probably get it fixed up.
[11:31:40] <Tempt> 630MP ffs.
[11:31:50] <Atomdrache> ffs?
[11:32:14] <Atomdrache> Somebody had one and I was the only resident of Socorro who was likely to take it.  So I got it for free.
[11:32:16] <Atomdrache> Oh, nevermind.
[11:32:24] <Atomdrache> Simple acronym :3
[11:32:46] <Atomdrache> (Construction of that thing is sweet, though.  It's a tank!)
[11:32:58] <Tempt> Man.
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[11:33:23] <Tempt> That's one big heavy mountain of slow processing. But still, maximal cool points on the vintage front.
[11:33:39] <Tempt> berny: Sony appear to own the LCD projector market, not sure who reigns supreme on DLP.
[11:33:42] <Atomdrache> We mean to use it as a Kerberized gateway, and that's pretty much it.
[11:33:59] <Atomdrache> A big, solid mass of metal with good uptime and sufficient network thoroughput.
[11:34:41] <Atomdrache> (Why the dude wants to do Kerberos, I don't know.  He has pledged to make NetBSD work and then set that up, so I'll just leave that to him.  Basically, no modern Solaris could possibly fit on there.)
[11:34:56] <Atomdrache> (I think he just felt like doing Kerberos.  He's kind of sick.)
[11:35:16] <Tempt> "Of course it runs NetBSD!"
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[11:44:56] <Atomdrache> About the only damn thing besides ancient SunOS we could put on it.  Also, since it'll be a gateway, we figure NetBSD from this year is more securable than a version of Solaris that hasn't been supported for, well, a while.
[11:45:29] <Atomdrache> My original suggestion had been Solaris 2.5, but that's an argument I'll have to agree with.
[11:45:35] <Tempt> Fair cop.
[11:45:49] <Tempt> NetBSD probably has better gateway functionality too.
[11:46:12] <Atomdrache> Unfortunately he hasn't got the kernel built quite right yet.  He's doing some weird stuff with it (given the application), as the last disc he burned caused kernel panics during boot.
[11:46:38] <Tempt> netboot it
[11:46:49] <berny> stick an sol10 on the e450 works just fine
[11:46:50] <Atomdrache> I might poke him into it.
[11:47:09] <Atomdrache> The e450 is currently the best choice for netbooting.
[11:47:11] <Tempt> So you've got a Blade-2000, Ultra-80, E450, SS630MP, ...
[11:47:16] <Tempt> Not a bad selection.
[11:47:17] <Atomdrache> (Especially since all the processors work now)
[11:47:20] <Atomdrache> 2000?  No.
[11:47:22] <Atomdrache> Only 100.
[11:47:30] <Atomdrache> Bottom of the line.  Somebody sold it to me for $60.
[11:47:35] <Atomdrache> Said "Hey, I have this Blade.  Want it?"
[11:47:40] <Tempt> About what I paid for my Blade-100
[11:47:46] <Atomdrache> The Sparcstation-20, however, was free.
[11:47:55] <Tempt> Mine lives at work because my employer refuses to provide SPARC workstations.
[11:48:03] <Atomdrache> I upgraded that a bit.  Stuffed it full of RAM and added a second 150MHz Hypersparc.  Works all right.
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[11:48:21] <Atomdrache> Currently I use it as a terminal.  It's where I'm running irssi.
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[11:48:39] <Tempt> cool.
[11:48:53] <Atomdrache> Meanwhile, I ought to find out whether a U80 will boot without the riser board, as long as the motherboard DIMM slots are all full.
[11:49:07] <Atomdrache> Probably.  I often see U80s sold with 2GB RAM.
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[11:49:24] <Tempt> It will boot without the riser.
[11:49:33] <Tempt> I've seen Netra 1405s boot that way and they have the same board.
[11:49:43] <Atomdrache> But...crap in a hat.  I'm really not pleased about paying that much and having four dead modules. At least...visibly.  Might be more.
[11:49:49] <Atomdrache> Netra, eh?  I'll trust that.
[11:50:07] <Tempt> Oh, c'mon, you haven't even tried to sort it out yet.
[11:50:09] <Atomdrache> I'll be nice in the e-mail.  Like I said, I hear the seller tries to be helpful.
[11:50:24] <Atomdrache> I won't give him negative feedback unless he's a tool about it.
[11:50:32] <berny> try nice first, help quite often
[11:50:43] <nemesis> yeah
[11:50:51] <Atomdrache> Because it looks like he knows what he's doing, and he's got an excellent feedback score.  He's sold hundreds of things like this.
[11:50:56] <berny> but sharpen the blade while waiting :>
[11:51:17] * Tempt can't afford his next SPARC hardware purchase.
[11:51:28] <Tempt> Need to wait for them to come down in price.
[11:52:04] <Atomdrache> I see nice little Ultra 2s stuffed full of good stuff go for under $100 not infrequently.
[11:52:10] <Atomdrache> Those look like solid computers.
[11:52:15] <Tempt> Ultra-2 are kick-arse machines.
[11:52:22] <Tempt> They'll kick the doors of a blade-100, for example.
[11:52:24] <Atomdrache> Right now, it looks like the price really hikes when you get newer than the old Ultras.
[11:52:37] <Tempt> What does your local market want for a V890?
[11:52:51] <Tempt> That's the next machine I want.
[11:52:55] <Atomdrache> I don't know.  Most of what I watch is eBay.
[11:53:00] <Atomdrache> Socorro's Sun selection is limited.
[11:53:14] <Atomdrache> Basically, you find them in property yard auctions or somebody buys one at an auction in Albuquerque and brings it here.
[11:53:26] <Tempt> Bet you won't see an 890 in a yard sale.
[11:53:43] <Atomdrache> Price is excellent at the Bentley's auction in ABQ.  Folks get forklift-fulls of Ultras for, like, $100.
[11:54:12] <Atomdrache> My e450 was like $50 there when the guy who sold it to me first bought it.  He also got an SGI Challenge for around the same price.
[11:54:58] <Atomdrache> But that's a special location.  Albuquerque is in proximity to Los Alamos and LANL, and contains Kirtland AFB and Sandia National Labs, all of which toss this stuff out regularly.
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[11:55:09] <Tempt> Why don't you head out there?
[11:55:24] <Atomdrache> I do now and then.  But it's eighty miles north, costs a lot of fuel, and damn early in the morning for me.
[11:55:56] <Tempt> Bet you could make the money for fuel back by selling off some parts you acquired.
[11:56:00] <Atomdrache> But as it stands, my SS20 is from a Kirtland AFB employee, and the two server boxes are of Bentley's Auction origin.
[11:56:07] <Atomdrache> Well...not in this town.
[11:56:17] <Atomdrache> I and like two other people in Socorro buy Sun stuff.
[11:56:19] <Tempt> I'd be in the market for some 1Gb DIMMs to suit my 880, for example.
[11:56:23] <Tempt> and some 1.2Ghz CPU boards.
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[11:56:50] <Atomdrache> (One is more of an SGI fan.  He's rather proud of a pair of clustered Octane workstations.)
[11:57:04] <Atomdrache> (Or are they Octane 2?  I don't know.)
[11:57:05] <Tempt> I want an SGI Tezro
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[11:58:00] <Fish> hello
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[11:59:41] <berny> anyone tried the network ups tool snmp module?
[11:59:59] <Tempt> cheapest 890 on ebay is $US28k
[12:00:03] <Tempt> screw that.
[12:00:31] <Atomdrache> I avoid anything newer than a U80, frankly.
[12:00:43] <Atomdrache> That's right about the point where the price jumps by an order of magnitude.
[12:00:51] <Tempt> Indeed.
[12:00:58] <Tempt> Still, some of the new machines aren't too expensive
[12:01:03] <Tempt> A Blade-1000 is a good option.
[12:01:09] <Atomdrache> I hear the Ray thin clients are pretty sweet.
[12:01:32] <Atomdrache> Well, if you have a need for those.
[12:02:36] * berny wants to put a ray in his kitchen...
[12:02:53] <berny> wife wants to get recipes from the server 8-)
[12:03:06] <Atomdrache> A house full of Rays would be amusing.
[12:03:25] <Atomdrache> Put one by your bed, put one by the toilet, put one in the kitchen, etc.
[12:03:47] <Atomdrache> That would be awesome.
[12:03:50] <berny> yeah toilet would be second :-)
[12:03:58] <Tempt> heh
[12:04:08] <Tempt> I have a ray in the loungeroom and a ray in the kitchen.
[12:04:18] <Tempt> Kitchen ray has one of those waterproof rollup keyboards.
[12:04:21] <Atomdrache> They're only a few hundred, aren't they?
[12:04:38] <berny> what do you use as recipe database? :-)
[12:04:59] <Atomdrache> So if you had a good central server, I'm thinking those things could just put computing power all over your house.
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[12:05:13] <Atomdrache> But faster to boot and cheaper.
[12:05:15] <Tempt> That's the idea.
[12:05:24] <Tempt> Hence having a big arse central server here.
[12:05:29] <rasputnik> isn't there a sunray laptop?
[12:05:30] <Atomdrache> What sort of server?
[12:05:38] <Tempt> Atomdrache: V880
[12:05:55] <Tempt> rasputnik: Yes, there is.
[12:05:56] <Atomdrache> That's some high-end stuff.
[12:06:00] <Tempt> rasputnik: Tadpole make them.
[12:06:07] <Atomdrache> Tadpole?  I've heard of those.
[12:06:09] <Atomdrache> I kind of want one.
[12:06:11] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Currently: 6 CPU, 12Gb RAM. Next outage: 8 CPU, 28Gb RAM.
[12:06:22] <rasputnik> Tempt: that's it, yeah.
[12:06:25] <Tempt> Ask delewis about the tadpole hardware.
[12:06:34] <Atomdrache> Eight?  Nifty.
[12:07:04] <Tempt> Haven't bothered pulling the machine down for the upgrade because I don't need to extra capacity at the moment.
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[12:12:13] <Atomdrache> There, e-mail's out.
[12:12:32] <Atomdrache> Hopefully he'll provide four 256MB DIMMs free of charge.
[12:12:45] <Atomdrache> Otherwise I'll go buy some.  Besides that nothing seems to be wrong with it.
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[12:15:08] <timsf> Speaking of old sparc hardware, they were doing a clearout on this floor - we came across a SparcStation Voyager
[12:15:17] <timsf> powered on, got to prom, but didn't boot :-/
[12:15:55] <timsf> Lovely machine though, rather expensive new...
[12:16:14] <Atomdrache> Ooh, 1GB kit, right kind, pretty cheap.  I'll be right on that.  If the guy who sold me the U80 gives me some anyway, I can put these in the e450.
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[12:22:08] <Atomdrache> Gigabyte of old E450 RAM on the way :D
[12:22:13] <Atomdrache> (hoping not to get hosed again)
[12:22:16] <Atomdrache> (also, only $23)
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[12:22:24] <Atomdrache> I thought it'd be like twice that much.
[12:22:37] <Atomdrache> Well, now to see if the U80 boots normally with half its RAM in place.
[12:22:50] <Atomdrache> Maybe then I can install SXCE and have a working computer.
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[12:28:29] * Atomdrache reallocates the not visibly screwed DIMMS to banks 0 and 1 on the riser.
[12:28:50] <Tempt> Don't forget your torque wrench
[12:29:47] <Atomdrache> I won't.
[12:29:54] <Atomdrache> But first I'll just boot it without the riser.
[12:30:04] <Atomdrache> I want to make sure that only four DIMMs are damaged.
[12:31:02] <trochej> ROTFL
[12:31:29] <Atomdrache> So if I boot it with just the motherboard DIMMs and get errors with those,
[12:31:35] <Atomdrache> then this guy owes me a lot of RAM.
[12:31:52] <Atomdrache> But I hope it's just the four that were scratched and had surface-mount components broken off.
[12:32:28] <Tempt> trochej: Since when are torque wrenches so funny?
[12:32:50] <trochej> Tempt: No, I'm just laughing at my ISP
[12:33:01] <trochej> Tempt: They are trying to break in to their own router
[12:33:13] <trochej> Cause they can't get there by normal means
[12:33:27] <Tempt> Ha
[12:33:31] <Tempt> That's kinda funny.
[12:33:45] <Atomdrache> Left the keys in the router, eh?
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[12:34:01] <trochej> Don't know, not my hardware, not my circus, not my monkeys
[12:34:03] <trochej> :)
[12:35:20] <Atomdrache> Great.  DIMM U1301 on my motherboard is screwed.
[12:35:30] <Atomdrache> Not cool, man.
[12:36:15] <tomww> does MPR blacklist the thing?
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[12:38:13] <Atomdrache> It seems to be pissed about the riser missing, also.
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[12:39:50] <Tempt> Just put the empty riser back then.
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[12:47:32] <Atomdrache> All right, now let's see how it goes.
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[12:57:23] <Atomdrache> Looks like it passed POST this time.
[12:58:11] <renihs> trochej, dont they have physical access?
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[13:02:32] <trochej> renihs: They have
[13:02:41] <trochej> renihs: They can't get via console
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[13:07:07] <trochej> Ok
[13:07:10] <trochej> They got in
[13:07:12] <renihs> why not just remove the disk and change the pass?
[13:07:13] <renihs> :p
[13:07:31] <renihs> trochej, skilled :p
[13:09:22] <trochej> renihs: I don't know Cisco, never used it
[13:09:28] <trochej> It's their job
[13:09:30] <trochej> :)
[13:10:10] <renihs> i am proud and happy not to touch ciscos
[13:10:23] <renihs> everytime i debug some network problem, its caused by cisco stuff :p
[13:10:38] <renihs> but usually because of lack of maintenance (updates/firmware etc)
[13:10:51] <_mary_kate_> that's because networks complex enough to break are all powered by cisco ;-)
[13:12:01] <renihs> also a valid explanation
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[13:12:08] <renihs> but my point remains valid anyway :p
[13:12:39] <trochej> :)
[13:13:38] <renihs> my network szenarious are usally to simple for that, some plain traffic shaping, a bit l7 filtering and maybe abit policy routing thats it
[13:13:44] <renihs> too simple
[13:14:22] <renihs> science & education usually doesnt have such high demands
[13:14:53] <Atomdrache> I am totally stoked that the U80's finally working.
[13:14:58] <Atomdrache> Granted, at the cost of 2GB of RAM.
[13:15:02] <Atomdrache> One removed due to physical damage.
[13:15:09] <Atomdrache> Another to make OBP shut up about incomplete memory banks.
[13:15:23] <Atomdrache> Now to try to install SXCE.
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[13:16:47] <Tpent1> /ghost Tpenta ah-alan
[13:17:00] <Cyrille> erm
[13:17:03] <Atomdrache> Oops =D
[13:17:10] <_mary_kate_> hope that wasn't a valuable password ;-)
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[13:17:30] * Atomdrache pretends he didn't see that.  "Let's also assume he doesn't use it for eBay or anything like that."
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[13:18:04] <Atomdrache> Of course, the really 1337 kids use scripts.  (I am not one of them)
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[13:18:58] <_mary_kate_> i don't think i'd trust a script to authenticate.  too much chance it'd accidentally send to the wrong place
[13:19:15] <Atomdrache> Eh, just a short Perl script that you'd execute from, say, irssi.
[13:19:24] <_mary_kate_> yeah, i know
[13:19:25] <Atomdrache> I doubt it'd be longer than a line or two.
[13:20:04] <_mary_kate_> on #-connect 400 "%.freenode.net *" { msg nickserv identify awesomepw }
[13:20:31] <Cyrille> xchat has that built in.
[13:21:10] <Atomdrache> I fart in the general direction of fancy graphical IRC clients that can't run in screen sessions =P
[13:21:17] <Atomdrache> Or terminals, even.
[13:21:18] <_mary_kate_> xchat-text!
[13:21:19] <Cyrille> :-)
[13:21:20] <_mary_kate_> (yes, it exists.)
[13:21:25] <Atomdrache> Well I didn't know about that.
[13:21:38] <Atomdrache> Curses?
[13:21:44] <_mary_kate_> not sure
[13:21:53] <_mary_kate_> iirc it's not full screen, it's more like ircII in dumb mode
[13:22:06] <Atomdrache> I like how irssi looks for a text-mode client.
[13:23:22] <Atomdrache> Even though it's only text, it has windows you can switch between and can run full-screen in a terminal.  Some folks detach a screen session with it and then go to another city, ssh in, and attach the screen session and do some IRC, without logging out or interrupting any dependent processes.
[13:23:45] <_mary_kate_> i still use ircII, never saw a reason to switch.  other people seem to like irssi tho
[13:23:46] <Atomdrache> (I can run it in command-line mode Solaris if I'm feeling like being a pervert.)
[13:24:07] <Atomdrache> My reason to switch to irssi was that I had previously used Windows IRC clients.
[13:24:29] <Atomdrache> I had to go through a bunch of windows and menus just to do what a good client can do with /connect server.
[13:24:46] <trygvis> yay irssi+screen
[13:24:52] <razrX> +1
[13:24:53] <_mary_kate_> a client that uses /connect to connect to a server is broken :)
[13:24:57] <Atomdrache> Also, I like its scripting, proxy, and /exec capabilities.
[13:25:01] <_mary_kate_> (/connect is the command to connect one IRC server to another)
[13:25:14] <Atomdrache> Depends on the "dialect" :3
[13:25:20] <Atomdrache> It also can use /server and variants thereof.
[13:25:24] <Atomdrache> I just find /connect more convenient.
[13:25:58] <Atomdrache> Because I tend to forget /server's switches.
[13:26:52] <Atomdrache> Urff...thirsty.  I'm going to get up and get some refreshments while I wait for the SXCE to install its extraneous GUI interface.
[13:27:09] * Atomdrache whistles the Jeopardy theme.
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[13:40:44] <Atomdrache> Crap.  No disks found, eh?
[13:41:02] <Atomdrache> This ain't good.  Maybe it needs some fdisk action.
[13:41:39] <berny> maybe it needs new disks :>
[13:41:52] <Atomdrache> Yeah, I can just walk into town and get those.
[13:42:16] <Atomdrache> I'm hoping it doesn't need that.  Only computer store in town sells nothing but bottom-of-the-barrel consumer Intel crap.
[13:42:55] * berny tosses over a nice old 4gb scsi disk
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[13:43:13] <Atomdrache> I'd prefer to use these 18s, if they're still good :D
[13:43:29] <Atomdrache> (four faulty components is enough, I think)
[13:43:56] <Tempt> I reckon it should be easy to hack a 450 to take SATA drives.
[13:44:03] <Tempt> Fill all those slots up with 750s
[13:44:07] <Atomdrache> This isn't the e450.
[13:44:12] <Atomdrache> This is the u80.
[13:44:17] <Tempt> I'm just saying.
[13:44:28] <Atomdrache> e450's waiting on another set of disks at the moment.  And we plan to put some SATA in there eventually.
[13:44:40] <Atomdrache> It's got enough PCI slots for plenty of SATA controllers.
[13:45:22] <Atomdrache> I'm currently more concerned with getting this thing through the SXCE installation.
[13:45:36] <Atomdrache> Come to think of it, I think I did that menu wrong...
[13:45:42] <Atomdrache> Stop-A time.
[13:46:12] <Atomdrache> (Stop-A, ok> Hammertime)
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[13:52:11] <Atomdrache> Hmm...should I be worried about seeing "Corrpt label - bad geometry"?
[13:52:58] <Atomdrache> Or should that be okay after I format it?
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[13:54:35] <Auralis> if its a new disk, it just means it has no sun disklabel on it, aka partion table that solaris knows how to handle
[13:54:59] <Atomdrache> The first just says "Wrong Magic Number", which IIRC implies no Solaris partition.
[13:55:18] <Auralis> if it craps out because of this during the install, run format from a shell, label the disk, don't bother with slicing it, just label, save and quit and restart install
[13:55:20] <Atomdrache> So the other just has some kind of otherwise hosed partition table that will cease to be important when formatted?
[13:55:38] <Atomdrache> (provided it does not go AAAAAHHH)
[13:55:56] <Atomdrache> Depends also on what you mean by new.
[13:56:07] <Atomdrache> No existing Solaris install, yes.  But also made in like 1999.
[13:56:14] <Auralis> yes, no solaris on it
[13:56:19] <Atomdrache> Okay.
[13:56:51] <Atomdrache> Unrelated remark:  I noticed that one of the monitors I got at the property yard auction which was at the computer center has the old Red Hat logo faintly burnt into the phosphor.
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[13:58:04] <Atomdrache> Extracting Windowing system...taking sweet time to load GUI that only displays text...
[13:58:30] * Atomdrache gets up for another Mountain Dew.
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[13:59:55] <Atomdrache> Amusing.  A machine with four processors has to wait on the CD-ROM drive.
[14:00:37] <trochej> :)
[14:00:56] <Atomdrache> I hope only those four RAM modules were screwed.
[14:01:05] <Atomdrache> Four more are on their way through eBay to replace them.
[14:01:28] <Atomdrache> I'll be rather sore about it if I find one or two more that are bad, just not visibly so like the ones with surface-mount capacitors broken off.
[14:01:33] <Atomdrache> (seriously, WTF)
[14:01:44] <Atomdrache> Still has 2GB RAM, though, which is all right.
[14:01:52] <Atomdrache> (though the empty slots will claw at my mind until I fill them)
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[14:06:06] <Atomdrache> Crap.
[14:06:11] <Atomdrache> How do I find out the names of the disks for formatting?
[14:06:56] <Atomdrache> oh wait
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[14:11:57] <Atomdrache> Now let's see if it whines about the labels.
[14:17:00] <Atomdrache> Sweet.  It didn't piss and moan.  Maybe now it won't crap in a hat halfway through the first disk.
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[14:48:24] <ofu> my usb-stick can not be found with format, what can I do?
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[14:51:57] <Atomdrache> Urf.  I've never installed from anything that fancy, so my input is useless.
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[15:04:58] <Doc> ok, so they made docs.sun.com faster, but the index/search still blows
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[15:05:28] <Atomdrache> Maybe I'm just impatient, but I found Google more effective for getting around docs.sun.com than the site itself.
[15:06:00] <Atomdrache> Service manual?  Bam, Google.  Printer admin stuff?  Bam, Google.
[15:06:07] <Atomdrache> Leads me right to docs.sun.com,
[15:06:17] <Doc> yup. it is, by far
[15:06:26] <Atomdrache> but without having to go through docs.sun.com.  I don't suppose that always works, but I've had remarkable luck with ti.
[15:06:48] <Atomdrache> Though I still appreciate how much stuff Sun has online, even if it's tedious to find.
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[15:06:55] <mlh> Atomdrache: same here every time
[15:07:33] <Atomdrache> Apparently my experience is not merely anecdotal :3
[15:09:06] <richlowe> you got tedius, but you missed "slow to load" and "often broken".
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[15:10:26] <Atomdrache> I'm used to trying to do it on a Blade 100, so I just don't notice.
[15:11:00] <richlowe> I was going to say, I think "slow" is an attempt to faithfully duplicate the whole Answerbook experience. :)
[15:14:10] <Doc> i mirrored docs.sun.com once, then accidently deleted it and couldnt be bothered doing it again
[15:14:22] <Atomdrache> Well that's a noble act.
[15:14:28] <Cyrille> deleting it?
[15:14:34] <Atomdrache> No, mirroring it.
[15:14:35] <Doc> was about 60-70 gigs from memory
[15:14:38] <Atomdrache> Eww.
[15:14:45] <Atomdrache> That's a lot of white paper.
[15:15:47] <timeless> and white noise!
[15:15:50] <Atomdrache> Nice that that kind of knowledge base is available, but...holy crap, I thought there was less than that.
[15:16:06] * timeless wonders how much sound is on docs. :)
[15:16:12] <Doc> there's a lot of crap in there that you'd never access
[15:16:22] <Doc> a lot of very old .ps documents, for example (ie, before pdf existed!)
[15:16:29] <hile_> Doc: i wondered whether that would be feasible to do.
[15:16:41] <CSFrost> and several excess languages :-P
[15:17:00] <timeless> does it have 7334 speak?
[15:17:25] <Doc> hile: well, technically i mirrored docsview.eng, not docs.sun.com.  once you have rsync access to a machine anything is easy :)
[15:18:10] <hile_> That's true.
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[16:15:20] <axisys> Doc: is it allowed to rsync copy of docs.sun.com? i would love to keep it local then.. i have about 200G local disk space available
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[16:48:06] <nnode> is the whole fi_list is in uarea or only "struct user" is in uarea?.. Could any one guide me to understand?
[16:52:34] <nnode> could some one help me?
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[16:54:03] <darrenm> Reminder: ZFS Crypto Design review Conf Call in 5 mins, details http://opensolaris.org/os/project/zfs-crypto/design_review/
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[16:55:32] <Tempt>  1 0 0 6252648 560072 1322 9544 0 454 454 0 0 0 0 0  3 6685 34576 7131 69 31 0
[16:55:43] <Tempt> Think I'm in need of an upgrade.
[16:56:06] * nachox thought zfs crypto was not far away from being integrated
[16:56:31] <PerterB> darrenm: did your pam_list module every get released in the end?
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[16:57:39] <darrenm> nachox: see the project plan http://opensolaris.org/os/project/zfs-crypto/plan/
[16:57:57] <darrenm> PerterB: someone else is doing it for me it is in codereview for integration now
[16:58:06] <PerterB> cool, thanks for the info
[16:58:29] <quasi> darrenm: will you be recording or taking notes? (/me is in a building with broken phones)
[16:58:31] <nachox> darrenm: i did see it not long ago but i seem to remember someone talking about it being integrated soon, maybe i was dreaming :)
[16:58:48] <darrenm> quasi: I'll be taking notes, not recording it
[16:59:06] <darrenm> nachox: wishful thinking maybe :-)
[16:59:07] * timeless frowns
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[16:59:21] <timeless> does solaris include Xephyr, and if so, in what package?
[16:59:31] <timeless> s/solaris/opensolaris community edition/
[16:59:58] <nachox> maybe, not that i really need it right now though
[17:00:19] <richlowe> timeless: SUNWxorg-server, /usr/X11/bin/Xephyr
[17:00:31] <richlowe> that maybe fairly recent though.
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[17:00:45] <timeless> richlowe: i'm stuck in 53 :)
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[17:01:13] <timeless> i really need to spend a weekend figuring out what's required to upgrade past 53
[17:01:15] <elektronkind> but no MIT Zephyr :/
[17:01:34] <timeless> richlowe: so it was never its own package?
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[17:01:56] <richlowe> timeless: I don't think so.
[17:02:06] <timeless> ok
[17:02:07] <richlowe> alanc would know.
[17:02:21] <timeless> i'm trying to figure out why a Xephyr server is getting all of my keys confused
[17:02:35] <timeless> it's as if it thinks my keyboard is shifted one key to the right/left
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[17:02:44] <timeless> I type "about", it shows "snpiy"
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[17:03:04] <timeless> I was hoping that I might have a second Xephyr to compare with
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[17:12:01] <RElling> timeless: IIRC, that was a bug which was affected by locale
[17:12:35] <RElling> fixed some time ago? (b53 is 5 months old)
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[17:12:56] <richlowe> RElling: given 53 didn't deliver Xephyr (I don't think...), I'm assuming he's seeing it on something else.
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[17:15:29] <RElling> I was thinking of http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6502510, Xorg: gb keytable layout is shifted to the right
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[17:18:20] <alanc> timeless: Xephyr was added when we integrated Xorg 7.2, so it's in nv_58 and later & s10u4 (when it comes out next month) or s10 patches
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[17:20:10] <hile_> i'm definitely looking forward to s10u4
[17:20:12] <richlowe> stevel: read your bug mail, yell via /msg ;)
[17:21:58] * stevel nods
[17:24:16] <Gman> god
[17:24:19] <Gman> indiana-discuss.
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[17:26:53] <timsf> I vote for God.
[17:27:00] <alanc> but is indiana-discuss more fun than the Indiana "Town Hall" in MPK is going to be today?
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[17:27:24] <oxygene> Gman: is there a digest of it somewhere?
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[17:28:02] <Gman> timsf, heh
[17:28:13] <CSFrost> god vs indiana-discuss ?
[17:28:14] <Gman> alanc, indeed
[17:28:20] <Gman> spoiling my user group talks!
[17:28:21] <timsf> (figure God's got the head start on getting his act together ;-)
[17:28:26] <Cyrille> "Linux is evil" "is not" "is too" "is not, Sun is evil" "is not" "is too" <- there's your digest ;-)
[17:28:32] <Gman> oxygene, mail.opensolaris.org
[17:28:35] <Gman> no summary
[17:28:36] <timsf> (oh, that and being omnipotent - sorta helps)
[17:28:54] <timsf> (God probably wouldn't fit on 1 cd though..)
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[17:28:58] <Cyrille> (disclaimer, I haven't actually looked at the list)
[17:29:06] <timsf> Hmm, better stop before I get a sounds stoning...
[17:29:11] <timsf> s/sounds/sound/
[17:29:16] <oxygene> Cyrille: sounds credible, though - scary!
[17:29:27] <alanc> Cyrille: you forgot the "SPARC graphics aren't open source" -> "alanc is evil" -> "who needs open source anyway?" thread...
[17:29:47] <elektronkind> anyone here use ipsCA in spain for SSL certs?
[17:30:07] <Gman> alanc, was a bit unfortunate thread
[17:31:02] <Gman> Tpenta, http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~gfoster/sosug-user-group-talk.mp3
[17:31:03] <Cyrille> alanc, wow, that sounds like a productive discussion...
[17:31:11] <Gman> Tpenta, might be variable quality
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[17:31:35] <Gman> hey comay
[17:31:43] <Tempt> alanc: You are evil, aren't you? You mean we've all had it wrong?
[17:31:48] <comay> howdy Gman
[17:32:21] <alanc> my evilness is subtle and hard to spot
[17:32:42] <CSFrost> sounds like your evilness is a lot like my dieting..
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[17:32:47] <Tempt> alanc: You want to take my Xsun away, that's evil! ;-)
[17:33:03] <Cyrille> is it? I thought being part of Sun was reason enough to grow horns and tail...
[17:33:13] <Cyrille> so you mean it's just me?!?
[17:33:48] <Tempt> They actually install the horns and tail when you walk in the door.
[17:33:59] <timsf> GNUs have horns & tails - we couldn't possibly do that without a lengthy licensing debate.
[17:34:39] <Cyrille> oh good, a licensing debate, now that's what we all need.
[17:34:48] <g4lt-U60> timsf, when has that stopped sun?
[17:34:53] <timsf> Good point.
[17:35:29] <Gman> so much negativity..
[17:35:43] <Tempt> Oh, the negativity!
[17:35:54] <Tempt> Perhaps we could all go on a happy love-in positive thinking camp.
[17:36:39] <oxygene> Tempt: wasn't that the plan for indiana?
[17:36:44] <Cyrille> you mean like a reeducation camp?
[17:36:51] <Tempt> Yes, a reeducation camp.
[17:36:53] <Cyrille> "be happy or ELSE!"
[17:36:59] <Tempt> To install GNUlitical correctness!
[17:37:14] <Cyrille> ah, then "be ghappy or ELSE".
[17:37:17] <elektronkind> I tell you... a OpenSolaris Geek Cruise would be a great way to get together, relax, learn, focus on the future, and dispose of dissenters
[17:37:37] <Tempt> Could turn into a bloodbath.
[17:37:45] <richlowe> hard to relax with so many people to dispose of though.
[17:37:48] <richlowe> so really, they cancel out.
[17:37:59] <g4lt-U60> where do I sign up.  I have a bit of practice in the "get rid of dissenters" part.  I was in the USN
[17:38:48] <Tempt> Larry Ellison would probably arrive with an armada and sink the happy cruise.
[17:39:01] <Tempt> That'd send the entire OpenSolaris community to Davy Jones' locker.
[17:39:11] <CSFrost> reeducation camp, is that where they chain you to a chair, and make you watch happy fluffy flowery videos with your eyelids stapled up?
[17:39:16] <Tempt> Talk about getting rid of diessnters
[17:39:20] <g4lt-U60> richlowe, not really, you just have to wait until you've passed the 100 fathom curve for environmental regulations.  say 2-3 hours
[17:39:49] <CSFrost> elektronkind, I don't know how well my scooter could keep up though..
[17:40:13] <Cyrille> that might be a bit long, can they be stored somewhere in cargo while the boat gets there?
[17:40:47] <Tempt> CSFrost: No, that's where they tie you to a chair and lock you in a room with RMS, a couple of slashdot weenies, ESR and Theo de Raadt.
[17:41:06] <g4lt-U60> Tempt, you forgot schilly
[17:41:07] <Cyrille> I thought that was Gitmo.
[17:41:08] <richlowe> that's the kind of setup that really needs a steel cage and pay-per-view.
[17:41:17] <CSFrost> Theo de Rat, wasn't he a mob traiter?
[17:41:19] <Tempt> g4lt-U60: No, schily is on the other side of the fence.
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[17:50:31] <Gman> it's soon?
[17:50:35] <timsf> 10 mins
[17:50:50] <Tempt> hmm, 2am
[17:50:53] <Tempt> I think I'll head for bed.
[17:50:55] <Tempt> Goodnight all
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[17:59:40] <nnode> [newbiew] doubt!. is vnode structure is available for all files, or whenever the file is opened then vnode structure is created?
[18:02:38] <sommerfeld> nnode: that's a question, not a doubt.
[18:03:40] <sommerfeld> vnode structures are created on demand in the kernel as filesystem objects are referenced.  in most cases there is at most one vnode in memory for each directory or file
[18:03:41] <nnode> sommerfeld:  yes
[18:04:22] <elektronkind> see the vn_alloc() call
[18:05:35] <sommerfeld> (in english, "doubt" often has a mildly negative connotation, implying that you are not sure if a writer or speaker is being truthful)
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[18:05:45] <nnode> lets say i have created a file "a.c" in /export/home/nnode/a.c, so, it is stored in the harddisk, and unless i open this file, i will not get its vnode object. is my understanding corrrect?
[18:05:46] <elektronkind> vn_alloc, vn_reinit, and vn_free handle the vnode creation and destruction
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[18:06:28] <richlowe> nnode: right, mostly.
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[18:07:14] <nnode> richlowe: mostly means, somewhere i am wrong?. could you point out where i do mistake ? :).
[18:07:32] <elektronkind> vnodes are representations of the file in the kernel when it is accessed by a file system. When the file system manipulates a file in some way, the vnode is the reference to it.
[18:07:58] <elektronkind> like a socket is for a TCP connection, and so forth. it's an abstract.
[18:08:27] <sommerfeld> generally any kernel operation or system call which mentions the name of the file will cause the vnode to be instantiated
[18:08:45] <nnode> ok.
[18:09:20] <sommerfeld> so, not just open, but also other operations like stat, or rename, or even unlink
[18:09:21] <elektronkind> vnodes, however, are not to be confused with inodes if that's what you're wondering.
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[18:10:31] <nnode> one more question  i have, when i open a file, the uf_entry is created in fi_list which is stored in the uarea.  that means each process has its own 'uarea'?
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[18:11:52] <elektronkind> ah, you are confusing file descriptors with vnodes
[18:12:32] <nnode> elektronkind: no, i understood about the vnode concept. But i have some list of doubts in which one is from  uarea :)
[18:13:09] <nnode> learning each concepts one by one.
[18:13:16] <elektronkind> hmm
[18:13:19] <elektronkind> look at this:
[18:13:20] <elektronkind> http://home.mit.bme.hu/~meszaros/edu/oprendszerek/segedlet/unix/4_fajlrendszerek/solaris_internals_ch14_file_system_framework.pdf
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[18:14:02] <elektronkind> it's chapter 14 of the Solaris Internals book (a good book to buy!) and covers file systems... it can probably answer your questions in better detail than on IRC :)
[18:14:41] <nnode> elektronkind: you mean jim mauro, richard authors right?
[18:14:44] <elektronkind> it goes in-depth with file descriptors and how they act through the layers
[18:14:51] <elektronkind> yes, that's the book
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[18:15:08] <nnode> ya, i am reading the same book only.
[18:15:24] <elektronkind> oh ok, good then :)
[18:15:44] <elektronkind> as for your uarea qwuestion, I'm not sure on the answer
[18:16:12] <elektronkind> I don't pay lots of attention to stuff above the vnode/vfs layer
[18:16:13] <nnode> but in this chatper 14, they never discussed about uarea deeply. He just says that the file destriptor whilll be stored in the uarea. that's all
[18:17:25] <nnode> because, when i read in linux book, yes each process has a  'uarea' which will be mapped to the process address space when that particular process is running.
[18:17:26] <elektronkind> I would think it's per-process, since file descriptors are unique to a peocess anyway.
[18:17:27] <sommerfeld> nnode: "list of doubts" implies that whoever wrote the document is reading was lying.
[18:17:38] <sommerfeld> nnode: i don't think you mean to say that.
[18:17:53] <elektronkind> sommerfeld: I think there's a translation issue... I think he means that's he's unsure
[18:18:19] <sommerfeld> elektronkind: right, and the next set of people he inadvertantly insults may not be so gentle
[18:19:41] <nnode> sommerfeld:  no not like that, nobody is lying, but my brain is not understanding. mistake is from my side only :).
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[18:20:49] <elektronkind> nnode: a great place to find people very knowledgable about this subject would be the ufs-discuss mailing list.
[18:21:21] <elektronkind> mm, lunch time.
[18:21:55] <nnode> elektronkind:  thanks, i will ask my questions there also !
[18:21:58] <elektronkind> probably even zfs-discuss as well, but ufs-discuss has a better signal-to-noise ratio
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[18:33:21] <sommerfeld> argh
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[19:17:13] <dclarke> okay .. time for me to whine  and then leave
[19:17:24] <dclarke> five builds of snv_68 .. all fail
[19:17:46] <dclarke> ==== Total build time ==== real    15:49:35
[19:18:15] <dclarke> ld: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_32: file ./debug64/unix.o: symbol swapped_l
[19:18:16] <dclarke> ock: value 0xfffffffffbc5f5c8 does not fit
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[19:18:23] <dclarke> lots and lots of that
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[19:36:25] <estibi> dclarke: SunStudio12 ?
[19:37:20] <Reidms-420R> oh noeses! http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/14780/31/
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[19:45:15] <nnode> why inode pointer is kept in vnode structure?
[19:48:22] <sommerfeld> the vnode is filesystem-type-independent.  inodes (or their equivalent on other filesystems) hold filesystem-type-specific data.
[19:48:33] <sommerfeld> this is similar to inheritance in object-oriented languages.
[19:50:08] <EchoBinary> is there any real different between opensolaris, and solaris?
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[19:51:28] <nnode> sommerfeld: ok, so keeping such inode structure inside vnode is file system implementation dependent right?
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[19:52:04] <sommerfeld> the fact that such data is pointed at from the vnode is filesystem-independent, but the contents of that data is filesystem dependent
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[19:52:49] <nnode> sommerfeld: confused :(.
[19:53:58] <nnode> sommerfeld: in case of ufs,  v_flags in struct vnode, f_flag in inode , in which case both differs?
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[19:55:34] <nnode> pretty much confused with inode and vnode :)
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[20:04:01] <jossh> morning all :)
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[20:46:15] <coffman> nice, flash 9 for solaris is out!
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[20:58:35] <leal> i did a sc 32 installation on a sol 10 u3 and got the error: Failed to configure "node2". I did look in the logs and the last line is that...
[20:58:56] <leal> Any ideas how can i know why the cluster configuration was not ok?
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[20:59:26] <leal> The two nodes have svc:/system/cluster/cl-svc-cluster-milestone:default disabled.
[21:00:07] <leal> Anybody here knows about sc 3.2?
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[21:18:59] <jossh> i am so playing god later today
[21:19:05] <jossh> but for now, breakfast
[21:27:05] <dunc> 1st breakfast, then god eh?
[21:28:10] <coffman> real gods dont have digestion
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[21:43:04] <leal> i think i should not install sc 3.2 in sol 10 secure by default configuration...
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[22:29:07] <trygvis> are anyone here running osol on a macbook?
[22:32:44] <Pietro_S> trygvis: search laptop-disuss, there are lot's of macbook users posts
[22:35:22] <alanc> gotta love nvidia bug fixes: "Put the GPU into don't corrupt the framebuffer mode to work around MacBook wackiness." - there's "corrupt the framebuffer" and "don't corrupt the framebuffer" modes?
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[22:35:42] <trygvis>  hehe
[22:36:23] <Pietro_S> wow sxce 68 is quite early ;-)
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[22:44:15] <sommerfeld> alanc: ah yes, a "wings stay on, wings fall off" option....
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[22:52:47] <leal> I'm receiving a error on pkgrm: Error processing the SunClusterManager web application: Error from manager reload: Error from manager disable: Unexpected exception connecting to the container manager: HTTPS hostname wrong:  should be <127.0.0.1>
[22:52:47] <leal> pkgrm: ERROR: postremove script did not complete successfully
[22:53:06] <leal> there is a way to "force" it?
[22:53:23] <leal> i just want to make a reinstallation..
[22:56:49] <coffman> great, any desktop guys around
[22:56:54] <coffman> ?
[22:57:24] <coffman> in b67 on a non us layout keyboard ctrl+backspace kills the xserver
[22:57:43] <alanc> that's been in for many builds - it's not new
[22:57:58] <alanc> I think the keytable guys are fixing it in 69 or so
[22:58:21] <alanc> it's actually not ctrl+backspace, but ctrl+numlock+backspace
[22:58:54] <Pietro_S> if I'm not mistaken - post remove is called after removing of all files so you can reinstall it right now, it probably only unregister something somewhere ...
[22:59:38] <alanc> ah - http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6404762 says snv_71
[23:00:01] <coffman> alanc: no, here it is ctrl+backspace, i can reproduce that
[23:00:02] <Pietro_S> I think that ctrl+alt+backkspace also kills X, but I don't wannt to try it right now ;-)
[23:00:16] <coffman> Pietro_S: ctrl+alt+backkspace is normal
[23:00:18] <alanc> ctrl+alt+backspace is supposed to
[23:00:26] <richlowe> alanc: They "fixed" it in 69, in 71 it may actually do the right thing.
[23:00:27] <coffman> b71? omg
[23:00:27] <alanc> the bug is that numlock counts as alt
[23:00:53] <coffman> alanc: as i said, its ctrl+backspace only
[23:00:58] <alanc> weird
[23:01:05] <richlowe> alanc: I'd be interested to see what they did in 6x (I think it was < 69) v. what works.
[23:01:06] <alanc> haven't seen that
[23:01:09] <coffman> and yes, im kind of pissed
[23:01:21] <richlowe> coffman: you certainly don't have numlock on?
[23:01:23] <richlowe> wait.
[23:01:26] <richlowe> stevel: ping?
[23:01:38] <richlowe> alanc: not necessarily, stevel reopened it, and I think he said the same thing.
[23:01:47] <alanc> you can fix the numlock case yourself, following the instructions in Juergen Keil's message
[23:01:50] <richlowe> alanc: which may mean they made it worse in 6x, rather than just avoiding making it better. :)
[23:02:04] <alanc> oh, I hadn't checked it
[23:02:10] <coffman> read it wrong, thought caps lock
[23:02:19] <coffman> yes it is with numlock, kay
[23:02:30] <coffman> my bad
[23:02:40] <alanc> my x86/Xorg test machine is running headless right now, since it doesn't want to seem to talk to the monitor
[23:03:39] <coffman> im thinking about sending some german layout keyboards out, the bugs regarding them come so often
[23:03:40] <richlowe> sounds like a great Xorg test machine.
[23:04:26] <stevel> pong
[23:04:34] <stevel> yes, for me it was ctrl-bkspace with numlock on
[23:04:43] <stevel> not that you have to hold numlock down
[23:05:30] <richlowe> stevel: yeah, numlock is enough.  I thought you were getting it with numlock *off*
[23:05:34] <coffman> stevel: yes, confirm
[23:06:00] <coffman> richlowe: i had numlock on, sry
[23:06:55] <EchoBinary> 5 disks - whats the best config for speed and data avilability on zfs?   raid-z or raid-z2?
[23:07:28] <coffman> EchoBinary: mirror stripe
[23:08:03] <coffman> EchoBinary: do two mirror and put them in a zpool, make the 5. drive hotspare
[23:08:37] <EchoBinary> so id end up with 2 disks of space out of the 5?
[23:09:16] <EchoBinary> and 1 for failover?
[23:09:50] * EchoBinary is RAID noob
[23:10:12] <coffman> EchoBinary: yes, that would be the best for speed and savety
[23:10:43] <coffman> EchoBinary: so you could lose 2 disks
[23:10:56] <EchoBinary> ok
[23:11:24] <EchoBinary> whats the best config if i want at least 3 of those disks worth of space to use?
[23:11:39] <EchoBinary> (the disks in question are all 1TB each)
[23:11:58] <coffman> EchoBinary: raidz2 out of all disks
[23:12:16] <EchoBinary> how slow will that be, most liklely?
[23:12:21] <EchoBinary> annoyingly slow?
[23:12:26] <_mary_kate_> hmm, 1TB disks are available now?
[23:12:30] <EchoBinary> yep
[23:12:34] <EchoBinary> google: hitachi 1TB
[23:12:36] <coffman> EchoBinary: would give you two times parity but slightly up to much slower spped
[23:13:03] <coffman> EchoBinary: for a "home" config raidz2 is nice enough
[23:13:04] <_mary_kate_> someone really needs to update vmstat, its columns are far too short for modern system :)
[23:13:10] <EchoBinary> _mary_kate_: also heard that Seagate is releasing theirs soon
[23:13:26] <EchoBinary> coffman: might go with the raid-z2 then :)
[23:13:37] <EchoBinary> i do intend to run database servers and web servers off it
[23:13:57] <EchoBinary> but nothing high traffic - just private sites.. a photo album, mp3's and movie files over the network
[23:14:47] <coffman> EchoBinary: then it should be okay, but i realy would go for at least 2 times parity since on 1tb disk the chances are dam high to loose one
[23:14:59] <EchoBinary> yeah
[23:15:02] <EchoBinary> i agree
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[23:15:43] <EchoBinary> so - if i eve need to grow that, i can just make another raid-z and add it to the zpool?
[23:18:12] <coffman> EchoBinary: if you would do so it then would stripe over the two pools
[23:18:24] <coffman> raid 60 like
[23:18:36] <EchoBinary> then if i had two raid-z's in a zpool, how would the data be stored across it? i guess id have to make sure that both raid-z's were up and working or id loose odd parts of my data
[23:18:47] <coffman> EchoBinary: i think there is something on the way too grow raid-z's
[23:18:58] <EchoBinary> nope
[23:19:05] <EchoBinary> i thoguht that too
[23:19:14] <coffman> no?
[23:19:23] <EchoBinary> i joined the zfs-code and zfs-discuss mailing lists
[23:19:29] <EchoBinary> asked that very question
[23:19:45] <EchoBinary> i can paste it to you if you like
[23:19:51] <coffman> thats odd
[23:20:07] <coffman> yeah, gime a link please
[23:22:10] <EchoBinary> http://pastebin.ca/614938
[23:22:54] <EchoBinary> (start at the bottom)
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[23:28:18] <coffman> EchoBinary: well at a certain point, a bigger raidz would not be good anyways, 5-6 disks is the sweet spot i think
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[23:28:59] <coffman> EchoBinary: btw, i would stay away from anykind of hardware raid, sucks for raidz and cost you extra money
[23:29:09] <EchoBinary> yeah
[23:29:20] <coffman> EchoBinary: well at a certain point, a bigger raidz would not be good anyways, 5-6 disks is the sweet spot i think
[23:29:46] <coffman> EchoBinary: zfs loves it bare metall
[23:30:00] <EchoBinary> i did actually get a HW raid card when i started all this
[23:30:01] <coffman> EchoBinary: invest the spare money on ram
[23:30:06] <EchoBinary> but im nto gin gto use it
[23:30:15] <EchoBinary> ill present the drives as single drives to zfs
[23:30:23] <EchoBinary> i have 2GB ram
[23:30:51] <coffman> EchoBinary: 2gb is oki, 64bit system?
[23:31:08] <EchoBinary> AMD Semperon 64bit @GHz
[23:31:13] <EchoBinary> 2GHz
[23:31:55] <EchoBinary> that computers _only_ purpose will be to house and operate those drives
[23:32:09] <EchoBinary> other servers will access via nfs or samba
[23:32:35] <coffman> yo, thats cool
[23:32:44] <coffman> EchoBinary: zfs loves 64bit
[23:32:50] <EchoBinary> *nod*
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[23:37:59] <EchoBinary> so yeah - no raid-z growth :(
[23:38:02] <EchoBinary> i was sad
[23:38:52] <coffman> adding another raidz is nice enough?
[23:38:53] <EchoBinary> in theory, i could just keep growing the zpool but leaps and bounds by adding new raid-z's, yes?
[23:38:56] <EchoBinary> yeah
[23:39:35] <coffman> yup, should do
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[23:39:58] <coffman> i would then also add global spares and only use raidz2 ofc
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[23:40:37] <EchoBinary> ofc?
[23:41:38] <coffman> ofc=of course
[23:41:48] <EchoBinary> ahh
[23:41:53] <EchoBinary> gotcha
[23:41:55] <coffman> bad habit to short things up
[23:42:02] <EchoBinary> its all good
[23:42:05] <EchoBinary> learned new things today
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[23:46:38] <FrostCS> past tense, third person, is really an interesting way to write a curriculum vitae...
[23:47:00] <EchoBinary> LOL!
[23:47:21] <coffman> i try to learn every day, and im no back at school which is realy funny since im 23
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