[00:00:28] <CIA-26> joycey: PSARC/2005/577 Cassini (CE) Rx taskqs should be per interface based, 6281341 RFE: ce_taskq_disable should be able to set on per instance basis
[00:00:29] <CIA-26> as145665: 6552834 /usr/bin/vi doesn't understand xterm-color's cursor keys
[00:02:38] <coffman> Pietro_S: nope, out of luck with this
[00:03:07] <coffman> Pietro_S: drivers are sparc only and only serial
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[01:00:30] <CIA-26> joycey: 6281341 RFE: ce_taskq_disable should be able to set on per instance basis (fix hdrchk)
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[01:21:58] * m0le cheers! Just got my starter kit
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[01:22:08] <kaiwai> hi, is there a virtual machine/vmware like thing for Solaris?
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[01:25:31] <palowoda> VM host server, no.  Although the Xen port might be getting close to integration.  Ask on the: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/xen-discuss
[01:26:41] <kaiwai> isn't there one called emu something or other?
[01:26:51] <kaiwai> an emulation IIRC one
[01:27:25] <kaiwai> mainly so I can run Windows ontop to write to my minidisc player
[01:27:36] <jmcp> qemu
[01:27:55] <kaiwai> yeap, thats the one
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[01:29:13] <kaiwai> I assume it can access USB devices?
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[01:30:03] <Tpenta> !seen alanc
[01:30:11] <Drone> alanc is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Mon 09 Jul 2007 19:32 GMT, saying 'or just follow the download links on opensolaris.org'.
[01:32:24] <Tpenta> bugger
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[01:34:46] <jmcp> gday hile_
[01:39:31] <kaiwai> oh well
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[01:42:37] <kaiwai> hmm, does vmware work on a linux zone?
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[01:54:17] <Tpenta> kaiwai: I believe that vmware requires kernel drivers doesnt it?
[01:55:09] <dlg> to be a vmware host or guest?
[01:55:25] <victor_> host.
[01:55:27] <Tpenta> from kaiwai i would imagine host
[01:55:28] <dlg> yes
[01:55:30] <kaiwai> :(
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[01:56:56] <kaiwai> oh well, hopefully wine will get USB support working or vmware realises that Solaris needs to be supported
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[01:59:36] <kaiwai> dan
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[02:02:08] <kaiwai> oh well, one day
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[02:03:44] <Tpenta> what usb do you need?
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[02:35:02] <alanc> ooh, that's a good putback...6492207 DRM support for i965 series chipsets
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[02:53:49] <RobG> Is there a nice command I can run that will show the cache hits/misses on a running process/thread?
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[02:58:14] <RobG> that would be L1/L2 cache not disk etc
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[02:59:49] <Doc> cpustat
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[03:00:03] <Doc> but it wont do it so a process/thread level, it's on a cpu level
[03:00:17] <Doc> dtrace can do some funky stuff like that, but i'm not sure that it will let you get as far as L1
[03:00:32] <CIA-26> kz151634: 6492207 DRM support for i965 series chipsets, 6505688 SolDevExp hangs after 1st reboot on Toshiba M100, 6574337 Adding i965GME AGP support
[03:01:01] <brendang> RobG: are you on ZFS?
[03:01:18] <nrubsig> Doc: and trapstat
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[03:02:22] <nrubsig> ewwwww
[03:02:25] <nrubsig> strato
[03:03:47] <brendang> RobG: if you are on newer bits, try this,
[03:03:50] <brendang> # dtrace -qn 'arc-hit,arc-miss { @[execname, probename]  = count(); } END { printa("%32s %16s %@8d\n", @); }'
[03:04:04] <brendang> ARC is the ZFS cache.
[03:04:51] <brendang> I haven't put brain cycles into contextuality for that one-liner yet - so it may just be an estimate (wrote it 30 seconds age).
[03:05:22] <brendang> I would guess it is fine though...
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[03:08:30] <nrubsig> Tpenta: ping!
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[03:08:35] <Doc> brendgan: CPU cache, not disk cache
[03:08:48] <nrubsig> Tpenta: did you saw my email about using |float complex| in OS/Net code ?
[03:08:49] <Tpenta> ACK
[03:08:59] <Tpenta> no i didnt, i am neck deep in escalations
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[03:09:10] <nrubsig> Tpenta: Ok... ;-(
[03:09:29] <Doc> i am ONT dyslxeic dmamit!
[03:09:42] <nrubsig> Tpenta: if you have some time later... could you figure out who could answer that question ?
[03:09:45] <brendang> Doc: oops, I read his initial post in reverse "disk cache not L1/L2 cache". you are right, cpustat/cputrack.
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[03:10:24] <Tpenta> if i can find some time
[03:10:34] <nrubsig> Tpenta: Thanks! :-)
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[03:13:20] <Doc> hmm.. intel is investing $219 million in vmware
[03:14:14] <CSFrost> pennies
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[03:15:17] <Doc> well, yes, but 21.9 billion of them!
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[03:15:44] <Doc> 2.5% of the company
[03:15:55] <alanc> bah, proxy died and wouldn't let me reconnect...
[03:19:00] <CSFrost> let's just blame that little proxy mishaps on at&t, just to keep the room clean.
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[03:19:58] <CSFrost> Doc, well, evidently Intel feels coughing up money on vm development is a smart thing..
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[03:20:51] <CSFrost> I am investing 12 million in shirts made out of ice, you know for the summer.
[03:21:23] <alanc> at&t does run the sun network, so it could be their fault...
[03:21:41] <CSFrost> nod, it will save much trouble if we just blame them anyways.
[03:21:50] <nrubsig> yeah
[03:21:52] <nrubsig> blame ksh
[03:22:05] <nrubsig> from AT&T, too
[03:22:10] <nrubsig> and blame System V
[03:22:12] <nrubsig> from AT&T, too
[03:22:18] <nrubsig> and blame Unix
[03:22:18] <CSFrost> and nrubsig
[03:22:22] <nrubsig> from AT&T, too
[03:22:28] <nrubsig> CSFrost: I am not from AT&T
[03:22:41] <CSFrost> well.. we were on such a nice roll
[03:23:42] <alanc> blame Canada!
[03:23:47] <alanc> oh wait, wrong song
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[03:24:13] <CSFrost> Canada is from AT&T also
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[03:24:46] <palowoda> I thought they sold it off.
[03:25:11] <CSFrost> Canada? yea, they got tired of all the trees
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[04:04:30] <RobG> brendang: Sorry was AFK, I'm not worried about disk cache... I'm after L2 memory cache
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[05:00:27] <CIA-26> sn199410: 6473508 rcp(1) use of 'sh -c' in execl() can cause execution of arbitrary code through malformed filenames
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[05:09:04] <dclarke> has anyone here seen a relationship between UFS filesystems parameters ( block size/frag size/bytes per inode) and SVM stripe depth ?
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[05:09:53] <dclarke> guess not ...
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[05:14:07] <RobG> How can I measure TLB misses?
[05:14:48] <dclarke> TLB ?
[05:14:52] <dclarke> eh ?
[05:15:05] <dclarke> Tomato Lettuce Bacon ?
[05:15:21] <jbk> one of the *stat commands i tihnk
[05:15:26] <jbk> maybe cpustat
[05:15:29] <jmcp> translation lookahead buffer
[05:15:33] <dclarke> ah
[05:15:34] <jmcp> or perhaps lookaside
[05:15:36] <jmcp> can't quite recall
[05:15:42] <jbk> i always remembered it lookaside
[05:15:42] * dclarke looks left
[05:15:43] * jmcp re-lurks
[05:16:02] <dclarke> jmcp : wake up
[05:16:11] <jmcp> no!
[05:16:15] <dclarke> jmcp : have you been using mercury much ?
[05:16:20] <RobG> I thin translation lookaside buffer
[05:16:24] <dclarke> jmcp : I never check it
[05:16:43] <jmcp> dclarke: mercurial, or mercury?
[05:16:49] * dclarke hopes he has the right guy
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[05:17:00] <dclarke> jmcp : ummm .. a server I setup for ..
[05:17:05] <dclarke> maybe .. not you
[05:17:11] <dclarke> oh .. never mind
[05:17:16] <RobG> trapstat -T but it doesn;t work on x86
[05:18:35] <dclarke> holy crap
[05:18:40] <dclarke> $ last
[05:18:41] <dclarke> dclarke   pts/1        login            Mon Jul  9 23:17   still logged in
[05:18:43] <dclarke> dclarke   sshd         login            Mon Jul  9 23:17   still logged in
[05:18:44] <dclarke> jking     pts/3        login            Wed May 30 22:59 - 02:11  (03:11)
[05:18:51] <dclarke> I don't see June there at all
[05:18:56] <dclarke> what a waste of resources
[05:19:23] <jbk> yeah, i spent most of last month moving or getting ready for it :)
[05:19:26] <jmcp> you were asleep that month?
[05:19:27] <jbk> or job interviews
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[05:19:56] <dclarke> shutdown -g0 -y -i5
[05:19:59] <dclarke> its a heater
[05:20:07] <dclarke> it can stay down until you need it
[05:20:12] <dclarke> its not going anywhere
[05:20:15] <jbk> that'll work
[05:20:24] <dclarke> btu I need another heat source like a hole in the head
[05:20:31] <jbk> i have enough sample data from when i was on it before that i think i should be able to do most of the work
[05:20:39] <jbk> when i'll really need it is come time to do the verification...
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[05:20:43] <dclarke> thanks be to God for ALOM and LOM and even LOMlite
[05:20:56] <jbk> i figure, proof by exhaustion should be conclusive :)
[05:21:02] <dclarke> ha ha !
[05:21:26] <dclarke> yes .. I'm a big fan of "gee .. I can think my way through this so I'll try every option and see what works "
[05:21:38] <dclarke> that came out wrong
[05:21:44] <dclarke> but you know what I mean
[05:22:02] <dclarke> anyways .. mercury is off at the moment okay ?
[05:22:08] <jbk> that's fine
[05:22:11] <jmcp> righto
[05:22:19] <jbk> the other thing i have to do is find a wireless card that works w/ opensolaris
[05:22:27] <jbk> since i no longer have my sprint aircard
[05:22:44] <dclarke> I never knew there was a wireless card that works
[05:22:50] <dclarke> maybe there is .. but I don't know it
[05:22:53] <jbk> i hear whispers :)
[05:23:02] <dclarke> I hear voices
[05:23:09] <RobG> you guys are weird
[05:23:10] <dclarke> but no one listens to me when I tell them that
[05:23:11] <jbk> the problem is not so much that any work, it's just finding which ones
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[05:23:27] <dclarke> oh ...
[05:23:29] <jbk> because the manf. will swap out chipsets and keep the same product #
[05:23:41] <dclarke> oh bugger .. that drives me nuts
[05:23:42] <jbk> so you could buy two cards, one will work, the other won't
[05:23:53] <jbk> i think we should just storm broadcom's offices :)
[05:23:56] <dclarke> I am fightin with that on an appliance project I have here
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[05:24:14] <dclarke> run in and scream and yell .. crap in their plants and then run out
[05:24:55] <dclarke> I have RealTek RTL8110SC chips here .. that don't bloody work with snv_67
[05:25:05] <dclarke> but I have high hopes for my build that is runnign right now
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[05:25:27] <jbk> hmm.. best buy is more expensive than fry's
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[05:25:33] <dclarke> anyways ... Jason .. sorry dude .. had to cool down mercury there
[05:25:46] <jbk> but they have a return policy (that doesn't suck as much)
[05:26:11] <jbk> *shrug* not a problem at all, i'll let you know when i'm ready for it again
[05:26:12] <dclarke> spend the extra money
[05:26:17] <dclarke> that' my opinion
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[05:26:22] <dclarke> never go cheap on hardware
[05:26:29] <dclarke> unless cheap is all you can afford
[05:26:32] <dclarke> :-)
[05:26:33] <jbk> well it's the same card
[05:26:47] <dclarke> then pay for the warrantee
[05:26:58] <jbk> but things are somewhat tight for the moment -- around $4500 in moving costs
[05:27:00] <hile_> says the man who decided a couple blades was better than a 440?
[05:27:13] <jbk> plus apartment rent + house payment (though hopefully it'll sell this month)
[05:27:44] <dclarke> I mean .. if you could get a fully installed Solaris server with 1GB of RAM and dual gigabit etherent under $900 with a one year warrantee .. would you buy it ?
[05:28:04] <jmcp> probably
[05:28:13] * dclarke notes that
[05:28:13] <jbk> probably
[05:28:18] <jmcp> depends on what other features you've got in mind, and how easily upgradable it is
[05:28:32] <dclarke> upgradable .. well .. one PCI slot
[05:28:39] <hile_> only one?
[05:28:42] <dclarke> two USB ports
[05:28:43] <hile_> ugh
[05:28:56] <dclarke> for $850 ?  yes .. one
[05:28:58] <hile_> I can deal with 1 PCI slot
[05:29:01] <hile_> I just don't like it
[05:29:06] <dclarke> dual gig-E
[05:29:11] <dclarke> 1.2GHz proc
[05:29:17] <jmcp> what sort of storage ?
[05:29:19] <dclarke> and its 1.25 inches high
[05:29:28] <dclarke> storage .. ummm .. let me look
[05:30:05] <dclarke> SeaGate barracude 80GB IDE
[05:30:14] <dclarke> it also has an ATA controller
[05:30:23] <dclarke> and SAS
[05:30:25] <dclarke> I think ...
[05:30:32] <dclarke> geez ... maybe SAS
[05:30:40] <dclarke> no .. wrong box .. thats another one here
[05:30:44] <jmcp> sata?
[05:30:51] <dclarke> sata .. yes
[05:30:55] <dclarke> it has sata
[05:31:21] <dclarke> I'm doing another of my experiments
[05:31:31] <dclarke> its and 18 gauge stell brick box
[05:31:34] <dclarke> steel
[05:31:44] <dclarke> with 18 gauge steel .. you can stand on it
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[05:32:07] <dclarke> and .. its hellish heavy in the hands .. feels very real
[05:32:20] <dclarke> so its a server and a weapon all at the same time
[05:32:26] <dclarke> :-)
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[05:33:59] <dclarke> anyways .. its been running a build since Jul  9 09:11:25
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[05:34:05] <dclarke> so .. 12 hours now
[05:34:38] <dclarke> jbk : speaking of exhaustive research .. I am running a test right now of SVM stripe depths
[05:34:54] <dclarke> trying to find the fastest way to write 4GB of dat to a stripe of disks
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[05:35:45] <dclarke> metainit d90 1 5 c2t0d0s0 c2t1d0s0 c2t2d0s0 c2t3d0s0 c2t4d0s0 -i 1536b
[05:35:50] <dclarke> that sort of thing
[05:36:46] <dclarke> I am guessing that at some point the depth of the stripe causes serious loss of performance
[05:36:52] <dclarke> but .. its just a guess
[05:37:08] <jamesd> dclarke, move 1/2 the disks to another controller you should get better results if you are not using sata.
[05:37:23] <dclarke> this is pure Ultra320 SCSI
[05:37:28] <dclarke> and a 3320 array
[05:37:35] <dclarke> well .. a 3320 JBOD
[05:37:50] <dclarke> and I have another set of disks on another controller
[05:38:19] <dclarke> guess what ... if I have three disks on three controllers and a depth of 32 blocks ... there is no difference in speed
[05:38:38] <dclarke> I can have five disks on one controller or ten disks on two controllers
[05:38:42] <dclarke> same IO speed
[05:38:47] <dclarke> spooky actually
[05:39:51] <dclarke>  4gig.dat 4294967296 bytes  takes real     1:03.394
[05:40:06] <dclarke> I can't seem to get that to be any faster
[05:40:13] <jamesd> dclarke, i assume you tuned solaris send more than  1MB of data at a time, that is/was the default for many years.
[05:40:23] <dclarke> I'd like to know where the 320 MegaBytes per sec is .. I don't see it
[05:40:35] <dclarke> tuned ?
[05:40:48] <dclarke> you mean some sort of mirror resync kernel variable ?
[05:41:16] <jbk> mayphys?
[05:41:40] <jmcp> yeah
[05:42:09] <dclarke> set md_mirror:md_resync_bufsz = 2048
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[05:42:28] <dclarke> mayphys?
[05:42:43] <dclarke> maxphys ... ummm
[05:42:48] <dclarke> dunno about that
[05:43:30] <jmcp> if you don't set maxphys on an x86 system, then the default is 56kb
[05:43:50] <dclarke> set maxphys=8388608
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[05:44:04] <dclarke> sd_max_xfer_size=0x800000
[05:44:21] <dclarke> set md_maxphys = 8388608
[05:44:27] <dclarke> that stuff ?
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[05:49:21] <dclarke> the machine I'm doing this test with is runnign Solaris 8
[05:49:30] <dclarke> not sure if I should fiddle too too much
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[05:56:29] <dclarke> UFS imposes an internal limit of 1 Mbyte on the maximum I/O size it transfers.
[05:56:53] <dclarke> so no sense in farting with maxphys
[05:57:43] <jamesd_> dclarke, and you know that  all versions of scsi, revert back to a  8MB/s command channel, so your still limited, if you are sending lots of little commands to disks.
[05:58:06] <dclarke> no .. I'm doing a 4gb write
[05:58:20] <dclarke> 4gig.dat 4294967296 bytes
[05:58:37] <dclarke> thats unlinke me .. I know .. but I wanted straight line flat out write speed
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[05:59:46] <jamesd__> that is not what i'm refering too...  puting multiple disks on one controller forces the controller to send many commands to each disk... thus filling the availible bandwidth of the 8MB/s command channel.
[06:00:23] <dclarke> I tested with one disk per controller also .. on three controllers
[06:00:27] <CIA-26> perrin: 6574298 slog still uses main pool for dmu_sync()
[06:00:28] <CIA-26> semery: 6550530 pam_krb5_migrate's expire_pw expires the Kerberos password too late, 6557188 included pam_krb5 doesn't function correctly as 'auth required' in pam.conf, 6559678 kpasswd returns "KDC reply did not match expectations" when using Heimdal server, 6564714 Option "-m" doesn't work for kadmind., 6564718 kdb5_util dump doesn't create a "dump ok" file if the master key is not available, 6570434 libkadm5srv should be smarter in figuring out t
[06:00:30] <dclarke> I got same performance
[06:00:37] <jamesd__> okay this internet connection is pissing me off... i'm going to bed..
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[06:00:50] <dclarke> hey man .. nightly
[06:00:57] <dclarke> work going well ?
[06:02:33] <dclarke> well .. off you go.   nighty night
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[07:07:45] <oss> [newbiew] where can i get a sample program to create zfs file system with zfs_create API ?
[07:14:03] <RobG> If anyone on here has access to a SPARC64 VI box, could you do a "pagesize -a" for me or if anyone knows what pagesizes the SPARC64 VI has off hand
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[07:16:28] <Tpenta> oss: oss: how about http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/zfs/zfs_main.c#656 ?
[07:17:34] <oss> Tpenta: i tried  but i don't know, i was sending some wrong parameters. so, i could be nice , if i get a sample code!
[07:17:53] <Tpenta> what i gave you is the code to the zfs command in solaris, it doesnt get more definiative
[07:18:01] <oss> Tpenta: somehow, got succeded, but zoneadm did not show the zones properly
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[07:18:33] <Tpenta> have a read thru the full zfs_do_create() funxtion at the url i sent you
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[07:18:51] <oss> it seems, the data structure has got corrupted somehow.
[07:19:33] <Tpenta> you do of course realise that zfs_create() is not a documented interface
[07:19:36] <oss> to make zoneadm work properly, i may need to restart the machine. :)..
[07:19:41] <oss> yes.
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[07:56:23] <quiltro> So, my OpenSolaris start kit finally came through the mail with 2 DVDs and then I find that my old 300 Mhz box doesn't support DVDs.... what are my options?
[07:56:51] <e^ipi> boot off the CD and have the DVD image shared via NFS
[07:57:00] <e^ipi> or if it's a sparc, jumpstart the thing
[07:57:56] <quiltro> Oh, sorry, forgot to mention it's x86. How fast does the network need to be in order for the NFS + DVD image deal to not lag?
[07:58:17] <e^ipi> CD's are slow anyways
[07:58:24] <e^ipi> you won't notice
[07:58:53] <quiltro> So ~0.5 Megabyte / second network is good enough?
[07:59:16] <Tempt> 0.5Mbyte?
[07:59:22] <Tempt> What, you on a WAN link there?
[07:59:33] <quiltro> Sadly, local area network that doesn't pack much of a punch.
[07:59:43] <Tempt> 10 meg coax?
[07:59:59] <quiltro> All ethernet, not sure if coaxial cable = ethernet (cat5).
[08:00:08] <quiltro> 10/100.
[08:00:19] <Tempt> Something is broken if your performance is that shabby.
[08:00:41] <quiltro> 2wire modem + router and some sort of Netgear 5 port hub (I'm guessing it's 10/100?)
[08:01:21] <Tempt> Hmm. Fair enough.
[08:03:11] <RobG> Hey e^ipi, hows the project going?
[08:03:19] <e^ipi> not too bad
[08:03:42] <RobG> Sharpie getting a workout?
[08:03:57] <e^ipi> it certainly is
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[08:04:19] <RobG> how long before you cross of the last one?
[08:04:46] <e^ipi> this morning before I had to go to work
[08:05:11] <e^ipi> wscoll()
[08:05:47] <RobG> that's it?!?
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[08:06:13] <e^ipi> what do you mean that's it?
[08:06:23] <RobG> You onl;y have one to go
[08:06:24] <e^ipi> that's the last function I wrote
[08:06:40] <e^ipi> plus the minor variants
[08:06:51] <RobG> how many more function to go?
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[08:07:17] <e^ipi> actual functions, about 30 - 50
[08:07:34] <e^ipi> but most of those are small variants of larger function classes
[08:07:51] <e^ipi> eg, mblen(), mblen_euc(), mblen_dense()
[08:08:00] <RobG> sweet... How long do you guesstimate they'll take?
[08:08:25] <e^ipi> i'd guess 2-3 weeks generously
[08:08:36] <RobG> nice work!
[08:08:40] <e^ipi> maybe a tiny bit more & then I can start testing
[08:09:03] <e^ipi> schwartz said something about hooking me up with some SPARC kit to test on
[08:09:07] <e^ipi> so we'll see what happens with that
[08:09:19] <RobG> as in Jonathon?
[08:09:24] <e^ipi> yeah
[08:09:33] <RobG> playing with the big boys huh
[08:09:41] <e^ipi> evidently
[08:10:28] <quiltro> Ugh, I have to download 5 CDs?
[08:10:37] <quiltro> Nay 6.
[08:10:42] <e^ipi> quiltro: i'm telling you, just download the first & install off NFS
[08:10:51] <quiltro> That's all it takes?
[08:11:04] <e^ipi> you already have the DVD, so yes
[08:11:06] <quiltro> I'd have to setup NFS on a box.. do that in a bit.
[08:11:16] <e^ipi> normally no, you'd need to have the whole kit & caboodle
[08:11:20] <quiltro> e^ipi: Hehe, thanks for saving me a lot of time :)
[08:11:25] <e^ipi> np
[08:18:02] <quiltro> e^ipi: Can I use any of the CDs, or must it be the first one? The sixth one is ~100 MB whereas the first is roughly four times that size.
[08:18:20] <e^ipi> i've never tried
[08:18:29] <e^ipi> but I imagine the boot block is only on the first
[08:19:04] <quiltro> Oh well, ~45 minutes to go then. We'll see how it goes with the first CD.
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[08:54:23] <quiltro> *sigh* The last 10 minutes are always the worst.
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[09:08:45] <vortex`> i've just done a nevada install and everything is OK so far, but i guess i should update it.. can i just use PCA and install patches from Sun or is there a specific 'opensolaris' respository of patches to install?
[09:10:16] <Berny__> no patches for nevada
[09:10:37] <Berny__> gotta update via liveupgrade/upgrade or fresh install using new builds
[09:12:47] <palowoda> PS ARC case 2007/197 :http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/197/onepager/   deals with hotplugable SATA drives on zfs.  Integrated in build 68.  By the looks of it it supports unccoordinated hotpluging.  Anybody recommend what types of SATA drive/controller combinations that are hotplugable?  This seems like a very useful feature.
[09:13:46] <trygvis> the marvell that I have supports it .. I can turn the drives on and off from the outside of the case and it will notice it
[09:14:05] <palowoda> Can you do a live random hotplug?
[09:14:08] <trygvis> other than that the controller sucks .. devfsadm won't make any links to the drives
[09:14:37] <trygvis> yes, but you'll run into the "feature" where zfs will panic a system if the drives randomly does away
[09:14:47] <trygvis> but I guess that is what the PSARC is supposed to fix
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[09:15:25] <trygvis> I'm on b67
[09:15:51] <palowoda> I guess, but I didn't in the description of the case if supports random or you have an event and take it offline to do the change.
[09:16:04] <quasi> trygvis: which marvell?
[09:16:14] <trygvis> you can zfs export the filesystem and it won't panic
[09:16:17] <palowoda> I'm suprised the arc case didn't have any email comments.
[09:17:00] <palowoda> Yeah but live raid-z repair would be cool.
[09:17:01] <trygvis> quasi: http://supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm
[09:17:04] <trygvis> yep
[09:17:09] <trygvis> I'm not u
[09:17:14] <trygvis> err
[09:17:49] <trygvis> palowoda: hm, isn't that already supported
[09:17:59] <quasi> trygvis: ah, that one - I heard others moaning about it, but maybe that's becuase they have two in the same box
[09:18:22] <trygvis> it will only panic if the pool looses it's last mirror, so it should work for a raidz where you loose a single drive
[09:18:27] <palowoda> trygvis: Ok live hotplugable raid-z repair.
[09:18:59] <trygvis> isn't it doing that already? you have zpool replace to replace a faulted drive
[09:19:21] <palowoda> Err what would the arc case provide than?
[09:23:30] <trygvis> no, read the two points in 1.4
[09:24:05] <trygvis> seems to just be a bit more graceful handling of insertion/removal instead of assuming that it is a drive failure
[09:24:33] <palowoda> You mean 4.1
[09:24:35] <trygvis> quasi: got any more info? did they get it to work?
[09:24:50] <trygvis> ehm, yes, sorry
[09:26:03] <palowoda> Ohh crap your right "There is no support for automatic response to device insertion".  Got too excited I guess.
[09:26:40] <palowoda> At least like you say it might eliminate the panic situation.
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[09:30:35] <trygvis> hm, dunno. I hope so, because using zfs over iscsi with someone running over the cable is annoying
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[09:33:21] <palowoda> trygvis: The section 4.1 two points are the problem statements it's trying to solve right?
[09:33:58] <quasi> trygvis: that's postwait who turns up here from time to time - last I heard they still had trouble, but wanted to try a more recent nv release
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[09:37:02] <trygvis> palowoda: yep
[09:37:10] <trygvis> quasi: oh, thanks. I'm on b67, still not working
[09:37:29] <trygvis> damned annoying, I bought that specific card because someone said it was working
[09:37:41] <trygvis> now I have 4 sata cards, none that work properly with solaris
[09:38:07] <palowoda> Only Sun's Marvel controllers work.
[09:38:32] <quasi> trygvis: oh, I thought it was working for you
[09:38:52] <quasi> trygvis: they were complaining about resets from time to time
[09:39:12] <trygvis> no, devfsadm is not making any links. but I got get messages on console when I turn the drives on and off
[09:39:34] <trygvis> and there are 8 links under /dev/cfg/sata/{0..7}
[09:40:45] <quasi> well, I think they're well past that
[09:53:04] <NeZetiC> hi
[09:53:33] <NeZetiC> I can't compile last ON on my AMD64 workstation
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[09:54:06] <NeZetiC> got a relocation error on kernel sources
[09:54:48] <Berny__> bugger
[09:55:11] <Berny__> .oO(don't mess with libc.so.1 on a live running system)
[09:55:55] <NeZetiC> this platform is known to have some problems to compile ?
[09:56:05] <Berny__> damn anyone seen my sol10 boot dvd?
[09:56:57] <palowoda> NeZetiC: No why?
[09:57:33] <NeZetiC> my compilation logs are bad :(
[09:58:00] <palowoda> Err so you have a compile bug.  Is that what your stating?
[09:58:20] <NeZetiC> one relocation error, due to -xmodel=kernel
[09:58:21] <quasi> NeZetiC: no, the sources should compile just fine on AMD64
[09:58:26] <palowoda> I've seen relocation errors on about every platform in the world.
[09:58:47] <NeZetiC> I find on the web that there is sometimes this kind of error with the linker
[09:58:54] <NeZetiC> on AMD64
[09:59:08] <NeZetiC> ld: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_32: file ./obj64/unix.o: symbol kdi_memranges: value 0xfffffffffbc302f8 does not fit
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[10:00:04] <NeZetiC> I've got a lot of message like thi, but just for this file : usr/src/uts/i86pc/unix/debug64
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[10:00:19] <NeZetiC> unix.o
[10:00:33] <NeZetiC> http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/articles/about_amd64_abi.html
[10:01:46] <palowoda> Which version of Sun Studio are you using?
[10:01:48] <NeZetiC> I try to compile opensolaris on AMD64 2.4 Ghz, 2 Go Ram, lot of hard disk freespace, under a Solaris Express Dev Ed 64a (the last I think)
[10:02:27] <NeZetiC> PATH=/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/opt/csw/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/onbld/bin:/usr/ucb
[10:02:28] <palowoda> Ahh, 64a had Sun Studio 12 which isn't supported building Nevada sources.
[10:02:41] <NeZetiC> arg :(
[10:02:54] <palowoda> Yeah lots of people said arg.
[10:03:10] <NeZetiC> ok, bye bye SunStudio 12
[10:03:21] <NeZetiC> 11 work fine ,
[10:03:22] <NeZetiC> ?
[10:03:36] <palowoda> That what is recommend.
[10:03:53] <NeZetiC> ok
[10:04:17] <palowoda> It's not a big deal just use prodreg and remove the Studio 12 until you hear it's working with the builds.
[10:04:26] <palowoda> I think 11 is still around.
[10:04:29] <NeZetiC> yep
[10:04:40] <NeZetiC> but ld is in /usr/ccs/bin
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[10:05:09] <NeZetiC> it don't depend of my SunStudio installation, no ?
[10:05:27] <palowoda> If anything it's got to be in the release notes on building .
[10:05:48] <palowoda> What's 'ld' have to do with it?
[10:06:19] <NeZetiC> my error come from ld
[10:06:32] <NeZetiC> it's a linker bug
[10:06:53] <NeZetiC> but perhaps this is because SS12 give it a buggy object
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[10:07:39] <palowoda> And you do search on the opensolaris.org site for info related to compiling the kernel right?
[10:07:53] <NeZetiC> of course
[10:08:06] <NeZetiC> this is the first thing I do
[10:08:32] <palowoda> It's been said on opensolaris.org studio 12 doesn't work.  Bad search engine huh.
[10:09:06] <NeZetiC> my english is not incredible
[10:09:38] <NeZetiC> I read documentations, but I may lost some importante informations
[10:09:47] <palowoda> Well I wouldn't worry about your english.  It just takes a long time researching software problems.
[10:10:56] <NeZetiC> there's a lot of informations on opensolaris website, but when you just come for the first time, it's hard to find just what you want
[10:11:12] <NeZetiC> with all documentations, news, mailing lists, forums, etc
[10:11:47] <palowoda> I wouldn't disagree with you there.  It's very choatic where all the information is.
[10:12:07] <palowoda> Over time it will get better.
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[10:20:26] <palowoda> NeZetiC: By the way you should keep track of the heads up information in: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/
[10:21:15] <NeZetiC> palowoda: thx :)
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[10:24:20] <Berny__> hmm, 40 mins until a sun engineer was assigned to my call... lets see when he calls...
[10:25:15] <palowoda> Berny__: Nobody cares who they call on a opensolaris irc channel.
[10:27:36] <palowoda> Get it nobody here cares about what Sun support problems are.
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[10:30:08] <Fish> hello
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[10:32:48] <Berny__> well since i discussed that issue here yesterday...
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[10:34:51] <palowoda> So what is Sun support doing for opensolaris issues?
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[10:36:46] <Berny__> nothin it's sol10 related
[10:37:11] <palowoda> Figures.
[10:37:26] <Berny__> but still enough people running sol10 around here :-)
[10:37:55] <palowoda> Why are you on an opensolaris list looking to resolve issues with S10?
[10:38:37] <Berny__> but if you happen to know why a recently patched libc on sol10 gives an internal error about rmutex you're welcome to share this information .-)
[10:39:00] <palowoda> You didn't answer the question.
[10:39:15] <Berny__> i'm not here for sol10 issues... but as i said there are enough people here who run sol10 and might have a hint
[10:39:32] <palowoda> But you have a service contract right?
[10:39:34] <Berny__> so it won't hurt asking here as well
[10:40:21] <Berny__> sure... but if it was an easy fix it would have been much faster than opening a case
[10:40:40] <palowoda> You called support and talked about getting an engineer to a response time.  What is your intention of discussing it?
[10:40:41] <Berny__> anyway sorry if i bothered YOU with that...
[10:41:16] <Berny__> no intention of discussing it... just thinking too loud
[10:41:42] <palowoda> If you have Sun support issues deal with it.
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[10:54:09] <Tempt> palowoda: Don't be such a fucking arsehole.
[10:55:00] <timsf> morning all
[10:55:07] <Tempt> Morning!
[10:55:12] <Berny__> hi timsf
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[10:56:32] <palowoda> Tempt: I'm just reasonable.
[10:56:41] <Tempt> Flaming someone for using Solaris?
[10:57:01] <palowoda> I wasn't talking about solaris.
[10:58:50] <Tempt> Berny__: What's broken, anyway?
[10:59:40] <Berny__> "libc internal error: _rmutex_unlock: rmutex not held."  on an app that worked fine before the latest patching orgy
[10:59:52] <Tempt> Oh, messy.
[10:59:59] <Berny__> indeed
[11:00:17] <richlowe> Yucky
[11:00:18] <Tempt> Do let us know which patch broke things; I'm due for a patching run soon and could do without the hassles.
[11:00:24] <Tempt> Which app is it breaking?
[11:00:31] <richlowe> and is it evil? :)
[11:00:34] <CIA-26> daemon@elpaso: Added tag onnv_69 for changeset 77407f8b6bb2
[11:00:35] <CIA-26> rm88369: 6240542 sort order incorrect with multiple fields
[11:00:51] <Berny__> curry... some piece of software to do source analysis on meg/eeg/mri data
[11:01:16] <phips|macbook> mornin all
[11:01:29] <Berny__> old software... ran on sol 2.6, sol7,8,9 and until lately on sol10
[11:01:30] <phips|macbook> good to see some bad language on here :) always brightens up my morning
[11:01:37] <Tempt> Aah, so your mission critical app has been eaten by a bad patch.
[11:01:38] <Tempt> Damn.
[11:01:46] <Berny__> kinda yeah
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[11:02:06] <Tempt> I gather you're not in the mood to selectively back out patches until it works?
[11:02:28] <Berny__> apptrace pointed to libxview.so.3 being the last place where the app lingered before the abort
[11:02:48] <Tempt> It references a libc error though.
[11:02:57] <Tempt> You'd probably have to back out all patches that did libc as well.
[11:03:01] <Berny__> not quite in that mood ...
[11:03:13] <Berny__> yeah...
[11:03:38] <Berny__> if i once find out all patches that touched libc :-)
[11:03:44] <Tempt> There's a good chance it'll take a few days before Sun's backline closes your fault.
[11:03:59] <Tempt> Well, you'll have a list of every patch you installed, right? grep the READMEs for "libc"
[11:04:15] <Berny__> i'm on that already :-)
[11:04:36] <Tempt> I think this is why I take a ufsdump of / and break the mirrors before I do major patching.
[11:05:01] <Berny__> then find the right order and all deps...
[11:06:39] <Berny__> .oO(maybe a jumpstart is faster...)
[11:06:42] <Tempt> What release?
[11:06:45] <Tempt> (of Solaris)
[11:07:00] <Berny__> though i wouldn't try u2 or u3 8-)
[11:07:18] <Berny__> initially it's been plain old sol10
[11:07:39] <Tempt> Oh, so patched up to date over the years?
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[11:08:04] <Berny__> yepp
[11:08:15] <Berny__> that box is only down like once a year :-)
[11:08:35] <Tempt> When did you take your last flar?
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[11:08:50] <Berny__> whenever the guys using it are on holiday and their big jobs are done...
[11:09:02] <Berny__> around march
[11:09:11] <Giovi> ?
[11:09:13] <Tempt> Ouch.
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[11:09:40] <Berny__> yepp :-)
[11:09:45] <Tempt> I'd probably break the root mirror at this point and just patchrm it all the way back
[11:11:12] <Berny__> if support doesn't come up with a more educated guess i'll have to do that
[11:11:33] <Tempt> Or, if your app lives tidily on a seperate FS, i'd probably break the mirrors and reinstall it and then copy /etc back
[11:11:50] <Tempt> Doesn't help you if your app dumps libs etc in /usr though.
[11:11:58] <Berny__> doesnt :-)
[11:12:10] <Berny__> just one single dir under /opt
[11:12:18] <Tempt> Well, since your app is down, why not just reinstall the host while you wait for support?
[11:12:19] <Berny__> or wherever you happened to have put it
[11:12:28] <Giovi> hello
[11:12:32] <Berny__> hi Giovi
[11:12:39] <Berny__> there's more apps...
[11:12:42] <Berny__> evil ones
[11:12:45] <Berny__> matlab, idl
[11:12:55] <Berny__> the whole bunch
[11:12:58] <Tempt> General purpose compute server, huh?
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[11:13:25] <Berny__> medical imaging and analysis... if you call that general purpose :-)
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[11:13:50] <Tempt> If it isn't dedicated to one application, it counts as general purpose ;)
[11:13:51] <Berny__> two jobs still running for another estimated 4 weeks
[11:14:27] <Berny__> so if i can avoid it i wouldn't want to take it down
[11:14:49] <Tempt> Damn, I guess you're in patch rollback hell then.
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[11:15:13] * Berny__ wants zfs / :-)
[11:15:34] <Berny__> just snapshot and rollback if it breaks
[11:18:13] <Tempt> Break mirrors is a reasonable rollback. A little more effort but better than the alternative.
[11:19:19] <razrX> *sigh* another Sun critic spotted at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/10/sun_java_security_update/
[11:19:34] <richlowe> there's enough Sun critics in here, we don't need to go spotting others.
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[11:19:57] <palowoda> Oh come on rich it's not all that bad.
[11:20:20] <palowoda> And I even worked on Sun backline support.
[11:21:18] <Tempt> Berny__: I gather you've already trawled sunsolve for ideas?
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[11:21:44] <Berny__> yepp
[11:22:41] <palowoda> Oh it's about Java security issues not related to ON.
[11:22:56] <Tempt> The only possible suspect that jumped out was 119963-08
[11:23:03] <Tempt> And that's pretty old (nov 2006)
[11:29:08] <Berny__> yeah thats one of the candidates
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[11:31:31] <Berny__> though it didn't touch /lib/libc.so.1 but /usr/lib/libC.so.5
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[11:33:16] <richlowe> and now I read the article, the security stuff is *especially* crazy.
[11:33:21] <richlowe> that certainly doesn't need theregister to point out.
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[11:39:38] <palowoda> richlowe: The cross link scirpting security problems where written with every OS in mind other than Solaris.  Which brings up some interesting issues about language usage on the web and who is responsible for what platforms.  Now what direct affect it has on opensolaris is subjective.
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[12:08:22] <fluffle> hai, i've got a stuck automount entry in /etc/mnttab, which i cann't get rid of for the life of me
[12:08:41] <fluffle> this is on solaris 10, not opensolaris, but i'm hoping someone here can help
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[12:09:27] <fluffle> i've stopped the autofs service, but it will not go. there are no automountd processes still running, and i can't see anything on the box that might still be holding the mount open
[12:09:41] <fluffle> any ideas?
[12:10:37] <quasi>  /net ?
[12:10:40] <fluffle> it's preventing me from re-starting the autofs service properly, as it believes /home is still mounted correctly
[12:10:54] <fluffle> no, /home, from a NIS automount map
[12:11:10] <quasi> ah, the evils of nis :)
[12:11:11] <fluffle> umount -f tells me "operation not supported"
[12:11:45] <fluffle> quasi: would restarting ypbind help?
[12:12:02] <quasi> fluffle: well worth a try
[12:12:14] <fluffle> heh, tell me about it. i've set up an excellent new LDAP master/slave but my boss is paranoid bout migrating things over
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[12:12:27] <fluffle> despite nis being awful
[12:13:45] <fluffle> no such luck
[12:15:17] <quasi> too bad
[12:15:30] <fluffle> gah might just reboot the damn box
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[12:15:42] <fluffle> this isn't the first time it's happened
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[12:24:13] <tims1> Morning Gman - how'd the talk go yesterday ?
[12:24:21] <Gman> hi tims1
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[12:24:33] <Gman> ok, will need to tinker it a little
[12:24:38] * Gman just in changi airport
[12:24:53] <timsf> how's the wifi there ?
[12:25:59] <Gman> better than at home - we got capped this month :(
[12:26:39] <timsf> Ouch, what's the cap ?
[12:29:05] <Gman> 10Gb
[12:29:28] * Gman still having issues with opg punchin servers and edgemail :(
[12:30:04] <richlowe> Hey Gman.
[12:30:16] <Gman> hey rich
[12:30:39] <richlowe> Gman: is edgemail your fall-back excuse, or is it really this problematic? :)
[12:31:27] <Gman> it's definitely borky borky
[12:34:28] <Tpenta> oi gman, arent you supposed to be flying?
[12:34:45] <Gman> Tpenta, in singapore for a few hours stopover
[12:34:51] <Tpenta> ahhh
[12:35:04] <Gman> (don't worry, no user groups close to ram indiana down them)
[12:35:05] <Tpenta> i dont suppose you managed to stay awake after the pub last night to retrieve the recording ;)
[12:35:26] <Tpenta> i have heard very good reports back from everyone I have spoken with about last night mate
[12:35:53] <Gman> that's good
[12:36:00] <Gman> wasn't quite sure whether it was going to be a good talk
[12:36:09] <Gman> haven't done the recording just yet
[12:36:15] <Tpenta> it was excellent. exactly what was required
[12:36:41] <Gman> cool :)
[12:36:44] * Tpenta wonders when the journos are going to  "get" that linuxizing means "cherry picking the good processes
[12:36:45] <Tpenta> :)
[12:36:54] <Tpenta> not necessarily making it look like linux
[12:37:08] <Gman> yeah
[12:37:25] <Tpenta> 'coz they have *all* missed it
[12:37:37] * Tpenta wonders if any of them trawl the #opensolaris logs ;)
[12:38:27] <quasi> Tpenta: more likely they've been reading the indiana lists
[12:39:40] <quasi> Tpenta: if they were reading this place, they'd be doing something about a divided community
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[12:39:56] <Berny__> HA! libc.so.1 from sol10u3 installdvd makes my problem go away... but i'm still looking for the bad patch :-\
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[12:41:47] <Tpenta> So, Berny__, what *was* your problem? what is your current kernel patch? Have yo logged a bug or support call?
[12:42:24] <richlowe> Tpenta: most of the mail messages on the osol lists have missed it too.
[12:42:46] <Tpenta> given how gman spoke last night, I am definitely enthused about the whole thing now
[12:43:42] <Berny__> Tpenta: call number 37892826 if you cannot get into that... some libc patch broke an old app so it aborted with "libc internal error: _rmutex_unlock: rmutex not held."
[12:44:12] <Gman> brb
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[12:49:30] * Tpenta loads up that case after staring the EMEA instance of the tool
[12:51:13] <Tpenta> the case appears to be waiting for a digest -a md5 on libc from you
[12:51:20] <Tpenta> i note the case was only logged about 3 hours ago
[12:52:06] <Berny__> yeah just answering that mail i got 5 mins ago :-)
[12:52:14] <Tpenta> :)
[12:52:35] <Tpenta> if you havent sent it in, an explorer would be one of the first things that I woudl be asking for if/when it gets escalated
[12:52:39] <richlowe> Tpenta: out of interest, why do they want an md5?
[12:52:52] <Tpenta> to make sure that it hasnt been corrupted
[12:53:00] <richlowe> Ah.
[12:53:02] <Tpenta> i would imagine
[12:53:11] <Berny__> Tpenta: explorer output is on my webserver... url given in report ;-)
[12:53:13] <richlowe> I was going to say, there's easier ways to pull the patch version than that...
[12:53:16] <richlowe> :)
[12:53:17] <Tpenta> tho pkgchk -c would be just as good
[12:55:35] * Gman tries another mail server
[12:58:22] <Berny__> off goes the answer
[12:58:46] <Tpenta> Berny__: an ABORT should also have generated a core dump; that may also be useful (i see you'v emade the explorer available :)
[12:59:01] <Berny__> pkgchk -c is quite chatty on that box...
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[12:59:18] <Berny__> god what stuff i modified over the years...
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[13:00:05] <Tpenta> it might also be useful to know what rev of 125100 you have before installing -10
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[13:01:01] <Berny__> no 125100 before -10
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[13:01:24] <Tpenta> just 11883-36 then
[13:01:31] <Berny__> yeah
[13:01:35] <Tpenta> 118833-36
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[13:02:45] <richlowe> Tpenta: pkgchk -cp is nearly always chatty about libc, due to the hwcap mount.
[13:03:09] <Tpenta> of course
[13:08:24] <trochej> http://www.flickr.com/photos/trochej/767535703/ <- a real cluster technology :)
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[13:11:01] <trygvis> o.O .. trochej: you're in norway?
[13:13:34] <Doc> hey.. apparently they upgraded docs.sun.com!
[13:14:19] <trochej> trygvis: I was :)
[13:14:35] <trochej> Kongsberg, Drammen, Oslo
[13:14:38] <trochej> Three days
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[13:17:16] <trygvis> shibby .. I'm in oslo now
[13:17:23] <Berny__> hmm, whats the easiest way to replace libc manually on a live system (without rebooting etc)... cp wouldn't work as it's linked against libc i guess?
[13:17:58] <trochej> Berny__: First get yourself a statically linked cp?
[13:18:40] <quasi> I think you'd get away with mv, but I wouldn't recommend it
[13:18:43] <Berny__> ok, so no static binary of cp, mv, tar or whatever on sol10 anywhere?
[13:18:48] <trochej> trygvis: Drat, I arrived back home at previous monday
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[13:19:48] <Berny__> how does patchadd do this kinda stuff?
[13:20:27] <trochej> trygvis: You don't plan to visit Poland, do you? :)
[13:21:33] <estibi> hi
[13:21:34] <estibi> :)
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[13:23:23] <trygvis> not sometime soon .. started a new company, I'm lucky if I get any vacation this year :)
[13:23:58] <trochej> trygvis: Oh, on your own now. :) Just like me
[13:24:44] <trochej> Ah, I broke my system :)
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[13:25:55] <quasi> Berny__: in single user mode
[13:25:56] <Tempt> Gman, Tpenta: Have you considered getting the phrase "linuxizing" out of the way of Indiana?
[13:26:17] <dlg> personally i want a solaris thats more like openbsd
[13:26:20] <Tpenta> talk to gman he is involved, I'm not ;)
[13:26:21] <Berny__> quasi: that i want to avoid :-) there's stuff running on that box
[13:26:34] * Gman linuxizes Tempt
[13:26:40] <quasi> Berny__: then use LU
[13:26:46] * Tempt goes AIEEEEEEEE!
[13:26:51] <trochej> linuxizing sounds a lot zapping
[13:26:59] <cmihai> dlg: you mean go back to SunOS / BSD vs. System V? :-)
[13:27:23] <Tempt> Gman: LeftWing was telling me about your presentation last night, it sounds like you made a really good case for Indiana and some of the ideas sound really good.
[13:27:28] <Cyrille> linuxizing sounds like downsizing...
[13:27:34] <Tpenta> lol
[13:27:35] <cmihai> lol :-)
[13:27:37] <Gman> heh
[13:27:41] <cmihai> Synergy!
[13:27:49] <Cyrille> leveraging!
[13:27:51] <cmihai> Let's synergize Solaris and Linux!
[13:27:57] <cmihai> Consolidation!
[13:28:05] <cmihai> And risk mitigation!
[13:28:06] <Tpenta> bingo
[13:28:11] <Tempt> More the release, internet-install type stuff.
[13:28:11] <Cyrille> I'll see your consolidation and raise you a buy-in from stakeholders.
[13:28:13] <quasi> Berny__: but the usual patch way for smpatch is to defer the actual patching to the next shutdown, applying the patch right before reboot
[13:28:21] <cmihai> A new Solaris for Web 3.0!
[13:28:29] <Tempt> I'll see your buy-in and move to a service oriented architecture.
[13:28:36] <aruiz> 3.0?
[13:28:38] <aruiz> :?
[13:28:39] <cmihai> Yeah
[13:28:43] <cmihai> 2.0 is so last year
[13:28:45] <Gman> Tempt, most of what we're trying to do isn't terrible, no
[13:28:53] <Gman> i think there'll always be some issues that people have
[13:28:54] * Tpenta already called bingo in bullshit bingo
[13:28:59] <Cyrille> shouldn't we wait until someone somewhere knows what 2.0 actually is before moving to 3.0?
[13:29:00] <Tempt> Gman: Wash away the stigma then.
[13:29:12] <Tpenta> we used to play that on some concalls, buzzword bingo
[13:29:17] <Tpenta> on mute of course
[13:29:22] <Berny__> quasi: yes... but i can patchadd something manually even if it replaces libc... i would want to do that now... without using patchadd... just stick in another libc without anyone noticing
[13:29:27] <Tempt> I think I've still got a buzzword bingo program for PalmOS around here.
[13:29:32] <Gman> Tempt, i'm certainly avoiding the linuxisms, and focusing on better user experience
[13:29:40] <cmihai> aruiz: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061201 - Web 3.0
[13:29:53] <quasi> Berny__: sounds like a recipe for disaster
[13:29:54] <cmihai> Web 2.0 has been fossilized...
[13:30:01] <cmihai> Even though nobody knows what it really was hehe
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[13:30:34] <Tempt> Gman: Is there a copy of your pres available?
[13:30:42] <Tempt> Wasn't someone going to record it?
[13:30:45] <Berny__> quasi: na... i'll test on a not so important box first ;-)
[13:30:46] <Gman> Tempt, not yet
[13:30:50] <Gman> Tempt, it's recorded
[13:30:58] <Tempt> Gman: URL?
[13:31:03] <Gman> just need to convince my gf to go into skype and record it into mp3
[13:31:12] <Gman> it's only a phone recording atm, needs to be converted
[13:31:23] <Tempt> I thought Tpenta was going to roll out his recording gear.
[13:31:34] <Gman> someone forgot to bring it into the office
[13:31:41] <Tempt> tut-tut.
[13:31:57] <Tpenta> we sort of did
[13:32:07] <Tpenta> not my fault!
[13:32:11] <Tpenta> i brought my stuff
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[13:33:17] <Berny__> the stuff but not the data on it? :>
[13:33:24] <aruiz> Gman, when are you leaving to .ie :)
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[13:33:56] <Gman> aruiz, in a few hours time ;)
[13:34:03] <Gman> aruiz, just in singapore atm
[13:34:25] <aruiz> Gman, rest as much as you can, tomorrow I want a rocking fresh talk! :-)
[13:34:36] <sickness> IRQ20 is being shared by drivers with different interrupt levels <- is this a problem? (system seems to work ok)
[13:34:41] <Tempt> Gman: When are you going to give a talk in Melbourne? ;)
[13:34:58] <Gman> Tempt, next year at linux.conf.au hopefully
[13:34:59] <quasi> sickness: could cost on performance
[13:35:08] <Gman> though likely we'll have an opensolaris miniconf at it too
[13:35:11] <sickness> quasi: ok, but how to change that? :)
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[13:35:40] <quasi> sickness: in your bios probably
[13:36:20] <sickness> quasi: solaris kernel does depend on bios?!?
[13:36:25] <richlowe> wha?
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[13:36:53] <Tempt> Gman: There's that l-word again ;)
[13:37:00] <Doc> hard for a computer to boot without a bios, so.. well.. yes!
[13:37:09] <Gman> Tempt, likely
[13:37:16] <Berny__> sickness: where else would the kernel get the irq table from?
[13:37:26] <Doc> hmm.. sosug was monday wasnt it... oh well
[13:37:50] <sickness> Berny__: I don't know, but every other "modern" os out there does his homework about that...
[13:38:22] <sickness> (winnt, linux, openbsd, for example, doesn't care about bios...)
[13:38:44] <Berny__> just because other oses don't tell you doesn't mean there not using the same info from the bios
[13:39:09] <sickness> uhm...
[13:39:09] <sickness> k
[13:39:27] <Tempt> I've never had an employer willing to pay up for linux.conf.au
[13:39:47] <Gman> Tempt, it's a good conference
[13:39:51] <Berny__> cat /proc/interrupts on a linux box and see if there are any shared interrupts...
[13:39:52] <Gman> not totally linux focused
[13:39:59] <Gman> Tempt, very grassroots, lots of developer talks
[13:40:06] <Tempt> Yeah, but I'm not paying that much for a linux-focussed event.
[13:40:13] <Tempt> Just to catch the small amount of OpenSolaris content.
[13:40:20] <Gman> hobbyist is pretty cheap though
[13:40:36] <Tempt> As I remember, hobbyist doesn't get you into everything.
[13:40:39] <quasi> sickness: I would at least assume that's where the interrupts get assigned
[13:41:06] <sickness> http://rafb.net/p/tGuOZW79.nln.html
[13:41:29] <Gman> Tempt, for the tracks, yes it does
[13:41:38] <timsf> Just reading indiana-discuss,
[13:41:39] <Gman> just doesn't get you into a professional delegates session
[13:41:51] <Gman> which isn't terribly exciting anyway
[13:42:02] <timsf> wasn't there a SoC project proposed to convert sudo config files into appropriate RBAC configurations ?
[13:42:24] <Berny__> sickness: just don't play any sound on that box *duck*
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[13:42:36] <sickness> Berny__: lol, it's my desktop! :P
[13:42:51] <sickness> and this is my home fileserver: http://rafb.net/p/ON6ayV66.nln.html
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[13:43:34] <timsf> (can't find it at the moment, perhaps my brain is playing tricks on me (again))
[13:43:48] <Berny__> sickness: btw on one of my last linux boxen i have usb controller and ethernet nic sharing an interrupt
[13:43:50] <Gman> timsf, it's not one of the gsoc projects, perhaps proposals
[13:44:02] <Gman> but i doubt you would have seen those unless you're an assigned mentor
[13:44:54] <sickness> Berny__: is there any way to avoid that by bios? (I really don't know, but the bios seems so DUMB to me... :)
[13:44:57] <timsf> Hrm. okay - would probably help indiana if such a thing were included. I fall into the "don't ship old crap" camp, but making it easier to migrate seems a nice thing to do.
[13:45:20] <Berny__> sickness: dunno never bothered me that much... :-)
[13:45:26] <sickness> k
[13:45:27] <Tempt> http://rafb.net/p/MlxiNh66.html
[13:45:29] <sickness> tnx anyway :)
[13:45:32] <Tempt> join the interrupt party ;)
[13:46:06] <sickness> Tempt: lol
[13:46:25] <Tempt> sickness: Heh, mine looks somewhat different ;)
[13:46:47] <sickness> well, I suspect different architecture too...
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[13:47:28] <Tempt> Yes, well, that might just be a possibility.
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[13:47:57] <Tempt> Has anyone released source for those pastebin apps?
[13:48:10] <cmihai> Tempt: yes.
[13:48:17] <cmihai> Tempt: paste.lisp.org
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[13:48:28] * Tempt searches freshmeat ...
[13:48:43] <cmihai> Tempt: http://paste.lisp.org/system-server/show/lisppaste
[13:48:46] <cmihai> The source.
[13:49:01] * Tempt takes a look
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[13:49:07] <cmihai> It's VERY nice and clean.
[13:49:16] <Berny__> is it lisp? :>
[13:49:32] <cmihai> Duh
[13:49:43] <cmihai> And it does parens matching and syntax highlighting
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[13:50:00] <Berny__> it is :>
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[13:50:52] <cmihai> Berny__: http://paste.lisp.org/system-server/show/lisppaste/web-server -> w00t :-)
[13:51:00] <cmihai> Just scroll the mouse over a code segment (brackets)
[13:51:39] <Berny__> already there
[13:51:49] <Berny__> i would have needed that years ago
[13:51:54] <cmihai> hehe
[13:51:59] <Tempt> While a lisp pastebin might sound magical, it doesn't exactly sound like rapid deployment in a hurry
[13:52:02] <Berny__> before i had a box that was fast enough to run emacs :>
[13:52:24] <cmihai> Tempt: well, don't expect a simple pastebin to solve all your life's problems :P
[13:52:31] <cmihai> It's a pstebin, and it works very well.
[13:52:41] <Tempt> Err, I wasn't expecting it to solve my life's problems.
[13:52:55] <Tempt> I was thinking about deploying one at work to save some time.
[13:53:15] <cmihai> Yeah, it helps :-)
[13:53:22] <cmihai> Tempt: do you have internal jabber?
[13:53:50] <Tempt> ha
[13:53:50] <Berny__> Tempt: print your stuff on the printer next to the guy you want to read it .-)
[13:53:52] <Tempt> No.
[13:54:01] <Berny__> man write, man talk :-P
[13:54:03] <Tempt> I tried to push for jabber but got squashed.
[13:54:14] <cmihai> Tempt: damn :P
[13:54:20] <cmihai> Tempt: so you use Yahoo? :P
[13:54:30] <Tempt> The entrenched messaging is "lotus notes instant messenger"
[13:54:31] <cmihai> Internal IRC / Jabber / SILC / whatever isn't bad.
[13:54:36] <cmihai> Oh god
[13:54:39] <Tempt> So I used my telephone a lot more than I'd like to.
[13:54:45] <cmihai> Tempt: oh well, internal IP Phone is nice
[13:54:46] <Tempt> No way I'm using that shit.
[13:54:50] <cmihai> But the networking guys will hate you:P
[13:54:55] <Tempt> indeed, internal IP phone is nice.
[13:55:05] <Tempt> and our networking guys are tight with sysadmins.
[13:55:21] <cmihai> Yeah
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[13:55:27] <Berny__> and you're out? :>
[13:55:42] <Tempt> pfft.
[13:55:49] * Berny__ wonders if he can get a company ip phone once i have a decent connection at home
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[13:58:00] <CSFrost> decent connections are overrated..
[13:58:25] <Berny__> hey frostie
[13:58:40] <Berny__> wanna swap? i have 56kbit modem right now
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[13:58:50] <Tempt> Much as I think Call Manager is ugly, it presents pretty well to the user.
[13:58:54] <Tempt> Just not to the admin.
[13:59:04] <CSFrost> sure, I'll send my modem right over Berny__ :-p
[13:59:07] <Doc> i cant get my cisco soft phone to actually work
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[14:00:13] <Berny__> keep yours i already have one ;-)
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[14:01:09] <CSFrost> they force these crappy 5/1 mb connections on Americans.. it's sad.
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[14:04:28] <CSFrost> I am sure jamesd could tell you all about it..
[14:04:34] <sickness> I've tried to fiddle with BIOS, but no way, it ALWAYS shares that damn irq20, and the bios is so dumb that only "sees" the legacy 15 irqs, wheter instead solaris sees the 20 and more "acpi" interrupts, so I have really no way to solve this problem :(
[14:05:01] <dlg> why is sharing interrupts a problem?
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[14:05:41] <sickness> dlg: I don't know, but if it was a way to avoid it, why not?
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[14:06:01] <Tempt> With the aid of a new motherboard, my x64 box lives again!
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[14:06:29] <sickness> dlg: anyway, the kernel itself advices this: This may result in reduced system performance.
[14:06:30] <Tempt> One of the grand features of PCI coming to PC hardware was the fact that you *COULD* share interrupts.
[14:06:37] <dlg> sickness: sharing interrupts isnt a huge problem
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[14:07:10] <sickness> Tempt: k, but bios is so dumb that doesn't even let you reserve an irq for a device, only for "pnp" or "legacy" :/
[14:07:28] <sickness> and it only shows you the 15 legacy irqs, not all the "fake" acpi ones, that instead you see from windows/solaris
[14:07:56] <dlg> id spend the time trying to play with something else
[14:08:13] <Tempt> sickness: Setting it to PNP/Legacy just pulls it out of the pool for PCI
[14:08:26] <Tempt> sickness: Moving the PCI card should change the IRQ.
[14:12:06] <sickness> Tempt: ok but both the "things" that share that irq are fixed onboard, nothing to move :/
[14:12:33] <sickness> dlg: yeah really, since I understand that there's no way to change the irq assignment from bios or from solaris, I'll simply leave them as they are
[14:12:50] <Berny__> sickness: just don't play any sound :-P
[14:12:50] <sickness> coffee time
[14:12:56] <sickness> coffee > irq
[14:13:01] <Berny__> sickness: get me one too please
[14:13:16] <sickness> Berny__: it's my desktop! I need to hear the dialogues in pr0n movies! >:)
[14:13:29] * sickness sends an espresso to Berny__
[14:13:34] <Berny__> cheers
[14:13:43] <Berny__> yeah tehm dialogues
[14:13:55] <sickness> yeah, it's needed to understand the PLOT! >:P
[14:13:56] <sickness> ghgh
[14:13:57] <Tempt> sickness: I don't think sound sharing an IRQ with anything is going to hurt. I'd try to avoid two HBAs for example, but sound? nothing.
[14:14:08] <sickness> Tempt: k, tnx
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[14:19:26] <Tempt> Odd that it does try to share IRQs on a box with enough IRQ space to go around.
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[14:26:30] <lplatypus> Is it fair to say that Solaris' excellent long-term binary compatibility is useful only for closed-source software?
[14:26:35] <Tempt> No.
[14:26:46] <Tempt> I find it very handy not to have to recompile everything
[14:27:04] <Tempt> It means packages build targetting an old Solaris are good for later versions.
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[14:27:31] <richlowe> Not at all.
[14:27:50] <richlowe> just because the software is open doesn't mean people enjoy rebuilding it all the damn time.
[14:27:53] <richlowe> :)
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[14:28:17] <Tempt> And sometimes things are long an painful to compile, and you don't want to do that too often.
[14:28:20] <lplatypus> the convenience of not having to rebuild stuff is more an issue of software packaging though right?
[14:28:35] <richlowe> the people who package software end up building it too.
[14:28:50] <richlowe> and that just passes the issue down to "Boy, isn't it nice not having a package per-release-or-more"
[14:29:03] <Berny__> you just want to run old stuff on new os releases without worrying
[14:29:34] <Tempt> Not having to recompile your home-grown software because libc just got changed.
[14:29:44] <richlowe> But mostly, the premise bothers me.
[14:29:45] <richlowe> though it's interesting.
[14:29:53] <richlowe> people keep asking "Why is this a good thing?"
[14:29:58] <richlowe> surely "Why isn't it?" is more relevant?
[14:30:03] <richlowe> it saves you work, and causes little harm.
[14:30:27] <Tempt> Most operating systems have some binary compatibility.
[14:30:47] <lplatypus> the reason I'm asking is that it's quite a different philosophy than used for linux, and I want to understand it properly
[14:31:05] <richlowe> though I now recall why I avoid running appcert.
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[14:31:46] <lplatypus> I proposed a linux patch once to emulate some instructions missing from some CPU submodels, and it was rejected on the grounds that the software should be recompiled for the desired CPU
[14:32:52] <Tempt> Not surprising.
[14:33:22] <renihs> not surprised neither :p
[14:33:35] <Tempt> Linux distro releases usually change core libraries enough to demand a recompile anyway
[14:33:55] <lplatypus> my perception is that the lack of interest in closed source software seems to imply a lack of interest in binary compatibility
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[14:34:40] <renihs> lplatypus, not necesserily
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[14:34:43] <richlowe> Tempt: I'd expect that depends on release frequency
[14:34:48] <richlowe> RHEL majors, probably.
[14:34:54] <richlowe> other, more frequent releases, probably not.
[14:35:02] <richlowe> (same time frame, obviously, though)
[14:35:03] <renihs> i recompile my entire livedvd on each release :p
[14:35:13] <renihs> no good reason for it though
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[14:37:41] <Tempt> I remember when the Linux crowd cheered every time someone released a commercial application for Linux because they felt it gave the platform legitimacy.
[14:37:46] <Tempt> Now they threaten to kill them.
[14:38:19] <lplatypus> I think there are elements of the linux crowd which never were happy about the commercial applications
[14:38:38] <lplatypus> it's not surprising to get mixed messages out of a crowd
[14:39:27] <renihs> Tempt, kill them? cheered? hmm
[14:39:58] <trochej> I'm one of those that cheered and I still cheer. :)
[14:40:23] <lplatypus> perhaps it's just that binary compatibility is really hard, and Linux doesn't have a strong enough source of motivation to be committed to it.
[14:40:41] <renihs> linux has no binary compatabiity at all
[14:40:55] <renihs> but its not really required neither (i would say)
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[14:41:44] <Tempt> It all changes with glibc.
[14:42:00] <renihs> even kernel :p thought thats related to glibc to be precise
[14:42:00] <Tempt> Prior to that, there was a reasonable expection to move binaries from one Linux machine to another without checking versions first.
[14:42:12] <lplatypus> and it changes with gcc too
[14:42:59] <renihs> but this approach also has advantages :p
[14:43:02] <renihs> and drawbacks
[14:43:03] <lplatypus> does gcc-built opensolaris maintain solaris ABI compatibility?
[14:43:04] <Tempt> But my SunOS 4 binaries run on Solaris 10
[14:43:08] <Tempt> so I'm happy with that.
[14:43:19] <renihs> :)
[14:43:40] <Berny__> my sol2.6 binaries used to run on sol10 until recently :>
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[14:43:46] <Tempt> What broke them?
[14:43:53] <Tempt> Oh, of course
[14:43:54] <Tempt> libc bug
[14:43:54] <renihs> its comfortable for sure
[14:43:57] <Berny__> :-P
[14:44:09] <Tempt> That's a bug and you'll get it fixed.
[14:44:29] <renihs> are there really binaries from 2.6 you want to use on a sol10?
[14:44:31] <renihs> :p
[14:44:37] <Tempt> I didn't hesitate to upgrade from 2.6 to 8, 8 to 9, 9 to 10 because I knew my apps would keep on kicking
[14:45:01] <Tempt> I've got circuit sim software build for SunOS 4 that I used on 10.
[14:45:19] <Berny__> might have been 120473-11 but it wasn't :-\
[14:45:24] <trochej> Well, one of reasons for my convertion from Linux to Solaris was this binary compatibility
[14:45:29] <trochej> Because I just love it
[14:45:55] <lplatypus> what do you love about it trochej?
[14:47:08] <trochej> lplatypus: One thing is that a kernel module for my nic compiled for sol 8 just works under 10
[14:47:25] <trochej> The same with packeges. It makes administration easier and nicer.
[14:47:28] <trochej> Aaaand
[14:47:41] <Tempt> It can be a kicker though. You get so used to moving your binaries between systems you end up dumping your SPARC binaries onto an x86 box and wondering where it all went wrong ;)
[14:47:48] <trochej> Our coders like the thoght of writing device drivers once
[14:48:03] <trochej> Tempt: Naaah, that is quite obvious, isn't it?
[14:48:04] <trochej> :)
[14:48:09] <Tempt> LSI's itmpt driver works on everything from 2.6 up.
[14:48:11] <Tempt> Still.
[14:48:32] <trochej> You see, the difference is that Solaris didn't have Gentoo. And we - linux guys- had
[14:48:39] <trochej> And that really hurt as and the world.
[14:49:18] <lplatypus> in that it made binary incompatibility less painful?
[14:49:35] <Tempt> No, Gentoo made binary incompatibility more common.
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[14:52:41] <trochej> Gentoo made the excuse for not maintaining binary compatibility more audible
[14:52:48] <renihs> :p
[14:53:06] <renihs> be nice to the gentoo
[14:53:29] <CSFrost> this is the sudo-gentoo chat after all
[14:53:46] <trochej> :)
[14:53:47] <renihs> sudo-gentoo chat?
[14:53:48] <Tempt> Indeed.
[14:54:04] <renihs> i dont catch the drift
[14:54:10] <Tempt> Gimmeh ma CFLAGS
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[14:54:43] <trochej> My system is soooo optimised...
[14:55:01] <renihs> bla, thats old :p
[14:55:17] <renihs> and i know not a single gentoo'er who sais he is using gentoo because of "optimization"
[14:55:18] <renihs> :p
[14:55:19] <Tempt> CAN HAS 3 WEEK COMPILE PLS?
[14:55:21] <quasi> soooooo optimised it will crash in mere microseconds
[14:55:26] <trochej> I've been using Gentoo for over a year, LFS for over two years. I didn't notice a real world difference
[14:55:33] <renihs> Tempt, lol, i recompile 3000 packages in 1 day 7 hours
[14:55:47] <trochej> The only one is that you actually wait two months before having your favorite GUI login window
[14:56:00] <CSFrost> Ize outcompilez you!
[14:56:14] <renihs> never
[14:56:15] <renihs> :p
[14:56:29] <trochej> renihs: Yes, not it's "Gentoo gave me the real understanding of the system, as I really peeked under the hood and anderstood all"
[14:56:37] <renihs> lol
[14:56:53] <renihs> i disagree
[14:56:59] <renihs> but dont #care neither :p
[14:57:04] <Tempt> renihs: Yeah? I can stand a Solaris box up and have it doing something useful in under 30 minutes.
[14:57:11] <Tempt> ;-)
[14:57:19] <renihs> i can deploy my livedvd in less than 10 minutes also
[14:57:22] <renihs> on 100 desktops
[14:57:34] <renihs> i can deploy my server gentoo (zod-livesystems) in less than 3 minutes
[14:57:45] <renihs> on a v20z (measured install time)
[14:58:04] <CSFrost> I can throw a windows box out any window (open or closed) in less then 10 seconds.
[14:58:07] <mihaic> And I have a 10'' e-pen15
[14:58:10] <renihs> up and running in 50seconds, install 2 minutes, reboot in 15 seconds (kexec)
[14:58:16] <renihs> so that isnt an argument
[14:58:23] <trochej> I can set up my solaris box in under 1 minute. It takes me actually about 50 seconds to take one from under the table, plug it in and power it on :)
[14:58:31] <renihs> :p
[14:58:42] <renihs> but then it boots for like 5minutes :p
[14:58:48] <Tempt> CSFrost: Ooh, that's pretty good
[14:58:53] <trochej> renihs: I wait for suspend :)
[14:58:58] <renihs> thats cheating
[14:58:59] <renihs> :p
[14:59:03] <Tempt> CSFrost: I usually stop to strip the goodies out before defenestrating them
[14:59:18] <trochej> renihs: nothing was ever said about boot time, only about the set up :)
[14:59:31] <mihaic> renihs: mine is up in less then 10 seconds thanks to insta-boner(TM)
[14:59:32] <renihs> ya but ...suspend -> already installed
[14:59:33] <renihs> :p
[14:59:41] <CSFrost> Tempt, I figure if they've already been infected, it's safe to dig the grave for them
[15:00:15] <renihs> but you are lazy and not digging
[15:00:18] <renihs> just throwing
[15:00:23] <trochej> renihs: Yes. So what? :)
[15:00:25] <renihs> doesnt count :)
[15:00:27] <trochej> renihs: Works? Works. :)
[15:00:32] <trochej> renihs: Disagree :)
[15:00:41] <renihs> trochej, was referring to CSFrost
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[15:00:57] <renihs> trochej, but you cant say install takes 2 minutes if you box is starting from suspend :)
[15:01:02] <trochej> renihs: Oh :)
[15:01:07] <renihs> being in ram already is ...cheating a bit
[15:01:13] <trochej> renihs: Never said anythong about install... :)
[15:01:24] <renihs> i thought that was the point :)
[15:01:29] <renihs> the install time :)
[15:01:36] <trochej> renihs: no, the point was in setting it up.
[15:01:45] <renihs> mkay
[15:01:45] <trochej> Preparation, my friend, is the power.
[15:02:00] <renihs> evil hairsplitter you :p
[15:02:01] <Gman> anyone happen to know the latest restrictions at heathrow? in otherwards, if i buy a bottle of gin at singapore, what are the chances i can get it into dublin? :)
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[15:02:06] <trochej> renihs: When you find out about sex, you'll know that preparation is as important as the intercourse itself :)
[15:02:31] <renihs> it is?
[15:02:31] <trochej> Gman: Not at hand luggage I believe :)
[15:02:31] <Berny__> Gman: if you drink it on the way, you get it in :-)
[15:02:31] <trochej> renihs: :)
[15:02:40] <renihs> i am not female :p
[15:02:44] <renihs> (just kiddin)
[15:02:49] <CSFrost> Gman, in checked luggage you shouldn't have a problem
[15:02:50] <renihs> not kiddin i mean, i am not
[15:03:01] <Gman> checked is no good for me
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[15:03:06] <Gman> i'm guessing that answer is 'no'
[15:03:07] <trochej> renihs: Yeeessss. We're listeting. Dig yourself deeper :)
[15:03:10] <renihs> nonoono
[15:03:25] <renihs> i wont digg myself into someplace i wont get out
[15:03:32] <Tempt> Talking of dodgy sex references, I noticed Mr. iPod hasn't been back.
[15:03:33] <trochej> Gman: You have to open it and drink it. Otherwise not in thehand luggae
[15:03:34] <renihs> not *that* stupid
[15:03:46] <Gman> trochej, darn
[15:03:51] <CSFrost> Gman, even the board of the london tube got called in for an emergency meeting.. I think most of europe is under stricter rules this week
[15:03:58] <Tempt> Could fancy a gynnantonnyx though.
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[15:04:12] <CSFrost> Tempt, I was trying not to jinx it
[15:04:13] <Gman> hawhaw
[15:04:15] <trochej> renihs: BTW, As my wife once said, for a man a foreplay means half an hour of begging.
[15:04:24] <Gman> my rectum isn't big enough for a square bottle of saphire
[15:04:27] <renihs> LOL
[15:04:37] <renihs> trochej, i hope she wasnt reffering to you? :p
[15:04:37] <Berny__> ouch
[15:04:46] <renihs> as example :)
[15:05:23] <renihs> but until a year ago i lived in a student home, so prep-time for sex wasnt really an issue
[15:05:33] <Tempt> Gman: Tanqueray comes in a round bottle/
[15:05:52] <trochej> renihs: I hope so too :)
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[15:06:27] <Gman> Tempt, heh
[15:06:43] <renihs> trochej, thats not an answer
[15:06:56] <renihs> thats called evasion :p
[15:07:09] <trochej> renihs: No, it is an answer. As good as I can give.
[15:07:13] <Tempt> Gman: Tanqueray makes a better martini too.
[15:07:34] <Tempt> Gman: Sapphire with tonic, Tanq for a martini.
[15:07:49] <renihs> trochej, i guess it will have todo :p
[15:07:52] <trochej> renihs: Evasion is what I say to my boss, when he asks me about the newest box bought for server room :)
[15:08:07] <renihs> hehe that too
[15:08:15] <renihs> you seem skilled in evading :)
[15:08:24] <damienc> Gman: get 10 clear ziploc bags - 100ml x 10 = 1 litre.
[15:08:27] <renihs> since this analogy is another one
[15:08:34] <CSFrost> he's been chased by ipod-boy, of course he is good at evading
[15:08:45] * Tempt laughs
[15:08:47] <renihs> who or what is ipod-boy?
[15:09:01] <Tempt> renihs: Someone who felt rejected by pcfs
[15:09:02] <Gman> damienc, :)
[15:09:04] <CSFrost> safer not to ask such a question
[15:09:05] <Pietro_S> just follow RTFM: man sex (for those whos systems are virgins http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~steinl/vitser/sex.html)
[15:09:14] <trochej> Tempt: You reffering to kaiwai? :)
[15:09:21] <damienc> Gman: could you opt not to check your bags all the way through?
[15:09:34] <Gman> damienc, too late, i'm half way there
[15:09:49] * Gman will just buy the cigs for bastien and no booze
[15:10:20] <trochej> renihs: I am not skilled at anything. I am a stupid printer-cardrige guy in middle sized polish company. :)
[15:11:24] <richlowe> Gman: hah.
[15:11:42] <damienc> it would be amusing to arrive at security with a bottle of gin, a bottle of tonic and a lime. If they refuse entry, sit down and drink.
[15:11:47] <trochej> Well, no, actually I have a skill which made the most intelligent and smart woman my wife, but I yet have to find out what this skill is. :)
[15:11:57] <richlowe> damienc: and let 'em kick you off for drunkeness, probably.
[15:12:27] <damienc> richlowe: to make a point, don't have alcohol in the bottle.
[15:12:40] <damienc> so drunkeness is not an issue.
[15:12:43] <richlowe> I'm not sure that'd make much difference, actually.
[15:12:46] <renihs> trochej, better dont search for that
[15:12:54] <renihs> you will damage it once you found it :p
[15:13:09] <renihs> males are really bad in *improving* things
[15:13:44] <richlowe> Gman: fedex it (or equivalent?) to yourself. :)
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[15:14:00] <richlowe> though I suspect they don't like people mailing liquor.
[15:14:01] <Cyrille> they'll you board with the bottle if it was purchased in the international area, it's the connection later which may be an issue if you have to recheck in.
[15:14:20] <Gman> Cyrille, yeah, it's the reconnection that's the concern
[15:14:29] <Tempt> What the hell happened to the glorious principle of duty free boooooze?
[15:14:44] <timsf> hey, fedex it to me, I'll "store" it till you get here :-D
[15:14:45] <trochej> Tempt: Got caught in the anti-terror debate
[15:14:48] <Gman> seriously
[15:14:58] <Cyrille> SRLSY.
[15:15:06] * Gman usually just buys his booze back in a .nz airport
[15:15:07] <Cyrille> SRSLY I mean.
[15:15:16] <Gman> cheaper, less wait to carry, and bigger quantities
[15:15:36] <trochej> Gman: Come to Poland, it will be stronger then :)
[15:15:44] <Gman> ;)
[15:16:30] <trochej> Gman: Aaaand, I'm still thiking about some small OS conference in Szczecin.
[15:16:37] <trochej> Gman: I can get you a place to sleep. :)
[15:16:43] <Cyrille> buy it in a pharmacy if strongness is the criterion ;-)
[15:16:57] <Gman> Cyrille, you scare me.
[15:17:00] <trochej> Cyrille: Nah, spirit is freely distributable in Poland
[15:17:17] <trochej> Cyrille: You know, in Poland and Russia there is that saying: 35% isn't a vodka
[15:17:25] <renihs> indeed :p
[15:17:29] <renihs> it isnt
[15:17:37] <Doc> is there a legal minimum for vodka?
[15:17:38] <timsf> Gman, save your reciept, you should be okay
[15:17:46] <Doc> eg, whiskey it's 40% or it's not whiskey
[15:17:47] <richlowe> Gman: trade the cigs for gin when you get there.
[15:17:50] <timsf> http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/before/plan/CountrySpecificBaggageRestrictions.jsp#Header6
[15:18:28] <Cyrille> richlowe has a good point, buy cheap smokes, sell them in Heathrow and use the massive profit to buy booze there ;-)
[15:18:31] <Doc> gman: what country are you connecting via?
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[15:18:42] <Doc> ohh. you're going via london? bawhawha!!!!
[15:18:48] <trochej> Doc: In UE I believe there is
[15:18:54] <timsf> Singapore -> London -> Dublin afaik
[15:18:57] <Doc> bawhhawaw
[15:18:59] <Doc> london
[15:19:00] <Doc> bawhhawaw
[15:19:02] <cmihai> You know: fish, chips, cup 'o tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary fucking Poppins... LONDON. ...
[15:19:07] <Tempt> Hmm, so I've got this x86 box built, what the hell do I do with it now?
[15:19:14] <Doc> ok.. forget the alcohol. it's gone at london.
[15:19:18] <cmihai> Tempt: give it to CSFrost to throw it out the window.
[15:19:19] <lloy0076> Tempt: Boat anchor
[15:19:26] <CSFrost> Tempt, think mail server
[15:19:33] <Doc> secondly, 1 carry-on bag.  Exactly 1. not 1 plug a small bag/handbag/etc. just one.
[15:19:35] <CSFrost> cmihai, only if it's windows powered...
[15:19:42] <Tempt> I have SPARC boxes for handling mail.
[15:19:49] <Tempt> and they're already running well under capacity.
[15:19:56] <lloy0076> Oh, and this is the real Mary Poppins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic
[15:20:04] <cmihai> lloy0076: is that the porno flic?
[15:20:04] <Gman> Doc, the only other choice is frankfurt - both are unpleasant
[15:20:05] <renihs> make a vserver (linux zones) :p
[15:20:06] <Doc> thirdly, if you're on BA, expect your checked-in luggage to arrive about 6-10 days after you do (their current backlog is 22,000 bags)
[15:20:14] <trochej> Tempt: Just install Solaris for the sake of it. Then set up branded zone, for the sake of it. and then install some desktop software for the sake of it.
[15:20:26] <lloy0076> cmihai: No, the horro flic
[15:20:29] <Doc> gman: no, at the moment timbuktu would be preferential to london
[15:20:39] <cmihai> lloy0076: you mean the original?
[15:20:44] <Tempt> I've already installed and patched Solaris on it.
[15:20:45] <lloy0076> cmihai: Yes, it's quite good
[15:20:52] <Tempt> (err, for the sake of it)
[15:20:59] <Gman> Doc, heh
[15:21:08] <renihs> use it as honeypot then
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[15:21:26] <timsf> You sure Doc, http://www.heathrowinformation.co.uk/heathrow-airport-INF-information-security.php seems to suggest that you'd be allowed carry duty free
[15:21:32] <cmihai> lloy0076: ah yes, video edit, I've seen it, nice.
[15:21:35] <timsf> assuming you had a receipt, sealed bag, etc.
[15:21:47] <timsf> Since you're a passenger in transit, it mightn't be so bad.
[15:22:05] <timsf> Regardless, Gman, the folks at the duty free counter have probably answered this question before - they'd know.
[15:22:16] <Gman> yeah, good point
[15:22:28] <Tempt> Why can't you put your b00ze in checkin luggage?
[15:22:35] <Doc> timsf: that's old information
[15:22:42] <CSFrost> he already checked it tempt
[15:23:01] <timsf> Doc, groan.
[15:23:14] <pjlv> hi
[15:23:17] <Doc> http://www.heathrowairport.com/assets/B2CPortal/Static%20Files/NewSecurityRulesV1_061006.pdf
[15:23:42] <pjlv> does solaris support joliet extensions
[15:23:56] <cmihai> growisofs -J -R -> rock ridge and Joliet
[15:24:01] <cmihai> Rock Ridge for UNIX
[15:24:04] <cmihai> Joliet for Windows
[15:24:07] <cmihai> you can use both
[15:24:16] <CSFrost> rock is the shizznits :-P
[15:24:24] <cmihai> growisofs -dvd-compat -speed=4 -Z /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0p0=bla.iso
[15:24:25] <Tempt> Yay, rock ridfe.
[15:24:32] <Tempt> ridge
[15:24:37] <pjlv> is this in the stock version of Solaris 10
[15:24:45] <cmihai> cdrecord -dev=0,0,0 -speed=24 bla.iso
[15:24:46] <cmihai> for cdrecord
[15:24:54] <cmihai> cdrw -i bla.iso
[15:24:55] <cmihai> for cdrw
[15:24:58] <cmihai> read the manpages for each.
[15:25:02] <Doc> mind you, the official heathrow page is claiming you cant bring any liquids over 100mls into australia, which is crap
[15:25:10] <richlowe> Doc: "if tasted in the presence of a security officer" applies to baby foods, why not gin?
[15:25:16] <richlowe> Gman: find a baby, and give it some!
[15:25:17] <pjlv> cmihai: thanks
[15:25:24] <Doc> "my baby loves gin!"
[15:25:29] <CSFrost> how should we know what it is? we aren't 'Inz IRC hackerz up your computiz'  you should know what is installed :-P
[15:25:40] <Tempt> What the hell do they expect you to be shipping in your gin bottle? Nerve gas?
[15:25:40] <Gman> the crux is stuff you buy after the security
[15:26:02] <timsf> Doc, not sure that applies - cf. what Gman said just there.
[15:26:05] <Gman> what i worry about is meeting another security checkpoint in the transfer at heathrow
[15:26:08] <CSFrost> Tempt, komodo saliva
[15:26:22] <damienc> Gman: you probably will.
[15:26:24] <CSFrost> Gman, you might have one when you get off the plane.. heh
[15:26:24] <Tempt> Gman: If I were you, I'd just take the risk and be willing to lose the bottle
[15:26:32] <Gman> nod
[15:26:54] <Tempt> I'd try asking nicely, being polite, etc, and just politely give it up if they won't relent.
[15:27:14] <CSFrost> yea, don't threaten, or throw it, or do any skull bashing with the bottle..
[15:27:20] <Cyrille> though you may want to ask when buying it, if they tell you there's no way you'll be able to keep it through connection it's probably not worth bothering since, if anything, rules are going to be stricter.
[15:27:29] <Doc> you need to buy after security in london
[15:27:40] <CSFrost> if they are strict about it, ask to talk to their Queen.
[15:27:45] <Doc> if you buy after security wherever you're leaving from, you'll need to go through security again in heathrow
[15:27:48] <Cyrille> if he's going to do that, he might as well buy it in Dublin.
[15:27:55] <Doc> at least, that's what i've been told
[15:27:56] <timsf> CSFrost, being Irish, that's probably a bad idea ;-)
[15:28:11] <damienc> Doc: the issue about sec after London, is that it won't be duty free because Lon-Dub is inside EU.
[15:28:12] <Doc> might only be if you're transfering to a domestic flight
[15:28:30] <damienc> true duty free is not available for that trip
[15:28:34] <CSFrost> timsf, I figured it would be insulting either way :-)
[15:28:39] <Gman> Doc, which begs the question, if you can get duty free then
[15:28:39] <timsf> heh
[15:28:43] <trochej> If anything fails, ask to talk to Prezident of Poland. It won
[15:28:52] <trochej> It won't help, but you all may share a laugh
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[15:29:12] <damienc> Gman: they call it "airport shopping" now.
[15:29:19] <Gman> fascists!
[15:29:29] <damienc> in Dublin they do, because loads of  flights don't leave EU.
[15:29:46] <CSFrost> kind of like Cuba..
[15:29:57] <CSFrost> but I am sure they don't leave for other reasons..
[15:29:58] <Doc> ok.. confirmed.  duty free liquids are confiscated at the transit security point at heathrow
[15:30:02] <Cyrille> I think the main question is whether you'll be leaving the international zone at Heathrow or stay in it while connecting. If they make you exit it, I don't think you'll be able to keep your bottle (since anyone could have done anything to it).
[15:30:17] <Cyrille> well that settles it then.
[15:30:25] <CSFrost> no soup for you.
[15:30:32] <Doc> from someone that works for the airline gman is flying
[15:30:48] <Cyrille> couldn't you ask that someone to carry the bottle? ;-)
[15:30:58] <CSFrost> smuggle it in
[15:31:02] <damienc> Cyrille: but you should always be in a sterile zone during transfer.
[15:31:09] <Gman> Doc, thanks!
[15:31:41] <CSFrost> ah, going to be a nice 34 degrees today, with 80-90% humidity..
[15:31:46] <Cyrille> damienc, he may not have had a real transfer (*cough*ryanair*cough*) and have been forced to recheck in.
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[15:32:14] <Doc> you may be able to buy in the arrivials area of heathrow and get them to deliver it to your flight
[15:32:27] <Cyrille> but it's still would be full price then.
[15:32:31] <Cyrille> ^'s^
[15:32:52] <Doc> cyrille: no, not if you bought it in the arrivials area (ie, just as you get off the plane, before you "enter" the country)
[15:33:27] <Cyrille> so you mean he'd still be in "singapore" and he could "buy" cheap "booze"? ;-)
[15:33:32] <Doc> gman: just let me know what you want and I'll buy it on the way to NZ next week :)
[15:33:46] <Tempt> A lot of hassle for a litre of gin.
[15:33:50] <Cyrille> indeed
[15:33:55] <Tempt> But then again
[15:33:58] <Tempt> Gin is pretty good stuff
[15:34:02] <Gman> Doc, heh, was mostly as a request to my father
[15:34:03] <Doc> nah.. you can take like 50 litres into NZ
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[15:34:10] * Gman will be stocking up when he gets back to .nz
[15:34:19] <Cyrille> good luck putting that in 100ml ziplocks...
[15:34:24] <Tempt> Hey, get me a coupla bottles of whisky while you're there
[15:34:25] <nachox> morning all
[15:34:39] <Doc> gman: why frankfurt (or timbuktu, or any other airport on earth would be a better option) - http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-06-21-heathrow-troubles_N.htm
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[15:36:26] <CSFrost> wow, thats amazing, 7 out of every 10 passengers will have cavity searches
[15:36:33] <Tempt> hang on
[15:36:38] <Tempt> 7 out of every 10?
[15:36:49] <Tempt> busy day for the rubber glove squad
[15:36:55] <trochej> What exactly is a cavity search?
[15:37:11] <timsf> It's what dentists do.
[15:37:22] <trochej> No, they actually plumb them
[15:37:23] <Gman> hawhaw
[15:37:36] <trochej> Are they going to plumb my cavities at the airport?
[15:37:39] <trochej> :)
[15:37:47] * Gman hopes to be keeping his buttocks to himself
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[15:38:21] <trochej> You mean anal sex with glove and an invisible hand of airport security?
[15:38:25] <Berny__> that's gonna be one fun trip
[15:38:28] <Tempt> hmm, from the article:
[15:38:29] <Tempt> Meanwhile, Heathrow vets offer tips for smoother transfers:
[15:38:36] <Tempt> ?Duty-free liquids bought on flights to London must be checked, ditched or fit in a quart plastic bag when connecting.
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[15:39:34] <CSFrost> you can put it in baloons or condoms and swallow them...
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[15:40:28] <damienc> CSFrost: mid flight you press the call button looking for loads of tonic to dilute a burst balloon.
[15:40:29] <Doc> tempt: the quart thing was for things like purfume only (individual containers < 100 ml - although it's not 50 i think)
[15:40:30] <CSFrost> or you can have some gin filled implants...
[15:40:47] <CSFrost> damienc, lol :-)
[15:41:14] <Tempt> heh.
[15:41:18] <CSFrost> perfume in a plastic bag.. that's gonna smell great
[15:41:21] <Tempt> Gin filled implants
[15:41:30] <Tempt> GinTits(tm)
[15:41:41] <Tempt> unscrew the nipples for good times.
[15:41:42] <damienc> you'll need ice to chill the output
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[15:42:32] <CSFrost> looks like someone missed some good discussion
[15:42:51] * Berny__ can mail a log 8-)
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[15:43:02] <CSFrost> that's what drone is for
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[15:44:12] <trochej> Uhm
[15:44:20] <trochej> Blink keyboard leds driver
[15:44:23] <trochej> Uhhmmm
[15:44:24] <trochej> I mean
[15:44:33] <trochej> A kernel driver for blinking keyboard leds?
[15:44:36] <axisys> I have two core files in my /var/core dir   core_www2_scp_120_1_1184042756_26560 and core_www2_scp_120_1_1184042756_26560
[15:44:36] <trochej> Insanity
[15:44:51] <axisys> on sol 10 u2
[15:44:59] <axisys> how do I debug them?
[15:45:03] <Tempt> hehe
[15:45:11] <Tempt> Where are you seeing that driver?
[15:45:28] <trochej> http://kerneltrap.org/
[15:45:31] <trochej> In Linux
[15:45:33] <Berny__> thats on linux?
[15:45:39] <trochej> http://kerneltrap.org/
[15:45:49] <trochej> In the ongoing effort to reduce the power consumption of the linux kernel [story] and take better advantage of the tickless kernel patch [story], Stephen Hemminger posted a patch to make it possible to unload the keyboard blink driver
[15:46:03] <trochej> When it was pointed out that the driver is only a debugging tool, Linus listed his complaints, "it has been a total disaster from beginning to end. It wastes power. It hangs machines when it tries to blink,"
[15:46:04] <Gman_> ok, time to find my fate!
[15:46:05] <Gman_> later all!
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[15:46:08] <trochej> God
[15:46:15] <trochej> Hangs machines when tries to blink
[15:46:16] <trochej> Uhm
[15:46:40] <trochej> I am a shitty programmer. I couldn't code myseld out of a page of text, but I never managed to do that :)
[15:47:00] <trochej> Gman: See you in news :)
[15:47:01] <Doc> hell, you can't even _spell_ myself :)
[15:47:27] <Tempt> wastes power?
[15:47:42] <trochej> Doc: Eh? I can't spell you?
[15:47:51] <Tempt> Why the hell does one need a keyboard blinky thing anyway?
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[15:47:57] <trochej> Doc: Oh, yes, sorry.
[15:48:14] <trochej> Doc: Don't know why, I got much worse at typing correctly lately.
[15:48:24] <trochej> I used to make much less typos.
[15:48:54] <trochej> Tempt: They call it "a debug tool".
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[15:49:21] <Tempt> oh
[15:49:28] <Tempt> A debug tool that crashes the machine.
[15:49:31] <Tempt> How progressive.
[15:49:59] <cmihai> Tempt: debug it with a kernel debugger
[15:50:07] <trochej> Tempt: Well, it's a cool thing, actually.
[15:50:11] <cmihai> Tempt: and if that crashes, debug it with a Ring-0 Rasta debugger!
[15:50:24] <trochej> Before you fire it, you know only that something is happening with your box.
[15:50:25] <cmihai> And if that crashes debug it with an emulator debug tool, like VMware debug or qemu or Synaptics
[15:50:30] <Tempt> Rasta debugger?
[15:50:32] <cmihai> and if that crashes debug it with a debug tool
[15:50:36] <trochej> After you fire it, you know exactly what's happening
[15:50:37] <cmihai> and if that... oh wait, redundancy!
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[15:50:41] <cmihai> Erm recursion
[15:50:44] <axisys> wow linux kernel added slub allocator, referenced to slab allocator by Jeff Bonwick
[15:51:01] <trochej> axisys: Was bound to happen
[15:51:06] <cmihai> Tempt: Yeah, Rasta Ring-0 debuggers
[15:51:16] <cmihai> Eg: Softice was a popular one, rr0d is another.
[15:52:02] <nemesis> anyone got a good project I can do to teach myself hwo to use solaris?
[15:52:13] <Tempt> Build a SunCluster
[15:52:17] <nemesis> hehe
[15:52:20] <cmihai> nemesis: Oracle RAC
[15:52:21] <nemesis> I've only got one server
[15:52:21] <Tempt> deploy a pile of services using GDS
[15:52:28] <Tempt> Install and use Oracle.
[15:52:29] <trochej> nemesis: Install, use, maintain
[15:52:31] <cmihai> :-)
[15:52:34] <cmihai> backup :P
[15:52:36] <trochej> nemesis: File server with mail server
[15:52:39] <trochej> backup
[15:52:40] <Tempt> and run a stack of webservers in zones
[15:52:41] <cmihai> Restore, JumpStarts etc
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[15:52:48] <nemesis> k
[15:53:04] <cmihai> Tempt: http://rr0d.droids-corp.org/ - check this out, it rocks.
[15:53:26] <Tempt> I really don't do a lot of kernel hacking.
[15:53:45] <cmihai> Or a lot of hacking :P
[15:53:47] <cmihai> Read cracking hehe
[15:53:59] <axisys> nemesis: jumpstart was my first project.. i learned a lot.. dont use JET.. do the basic jumpstart.. and try to break it..
[15:54:17] <cmihai> That's easy :P
[15:54:44] <trochej> Hmmm...
[15:54:46] <axisys> nemesis: do it as says in docs.sun.com.. dont cheat and follow some article
[15:55:03] <Tempt> I leave hackin' the kernel to the people who do it well.
[15:55:04] <trochej> I got an impression that sxce b67 is somewhat slower than previous one
[15:55:10] <trochej> But can't say for sure.
[15:55:19] <cmihai> Take your placebo and keep quite :P
[15:55:20] <cmihai> quiet
[15:55:20] <trochej> Damn perception
[15:56:38] <Tempt> nemesis: Installing Oracle database should give you some warm up, and deploy Oracle Application server into some zones.
[15:56:57] <Tempt> nemesis: That'll give you a snapshot of the typical workload on your average Solaris admin.
[15:57:19] <cmihai> Add backups to the mix...
[15:57:20] <cmihai> Clustering
[15:57:23] <cmihai> HPC
[15:57:31] <cmihai> And you've got a nice package.
[15:57:46] <cmihai> Make sure you patch a-plenty
[15:57:49] <cmihai> To get it right.
[15:58:06] <cmihai> Patching is pretty much the most common interaction you'll have with running servers.
[15:58:10] <cmihai> Apart from regular backups.
[15:58:18] <cmihai> And the best change you get to fuck things up :P
[15:58:41] <cmihai> Nothing like patching a system to death to revitalize your career in the fast food industry
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[15:59:26] <r00tintheb0x> can anyone help w/this?
[15:59:29] <CSFrost> no
[15:59:29] <r00tintheb0x> bash-2.05# metainit d50 -r c3t0d0s5 c3t1d0s5 c3t2d0s5 c3t3d0s5 c3t4d0s5
[15:59:29] <r00tintheb0x> metainit: htdsas24: c3t1d0s5: overlaps with device in d50
[15:59:34] <r00tintheb0x> :(
[16:00:18] <r00tintheb0x> i dont have a d50...
[16:00:23] <r00tintheb0x> im trying to create a d50.
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[16:00:31] <CIA-26> mj162486: 4699463 memory leak in iprbattach, 5089054 iprbprobe() validates ILINE, which it has no business doing, 6522820 iprb: request adding device id 1092 to driver_aliases
[16:00:50] <axisys> r00tintheb0x: someone is using this c3t1d0s5 ?
[16:01:14] <r00tintheb0x> hmm, thats an idea.
[16:01:15] <r00tintheb0x> let me check.
[16:01:42] <axisys> r00tintheb0x: make sure all those have exact same size or bigger and no one else claiming it..
[16:01:59] <r00tintheb0x> checking axisys
[16:02:16] <Tempt> cmihai: I'm not sure I agree
[16:02:17] <r00tintheb0x> i think they're all 30.00gb slices... i used freehog to configure them.
[16:02:28] <axisys> r00tintheb0x: if it is not too late try to run this prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c3t1d0s2
[16:02:29] <Tempt> cmihai: Outside of front-facing environments, patch runs seem to be quite spaced apart.
[16:02:34] <axisys> and so on for the rest
[16:02:49] <r00tintheb0x> axisys, i dont think that'll work seeing they're not the same types of disks.
[16:02:52] <cmihai> Tempt: well, it's usually patch clusters + selected patches.
[16:03:06] <cmihai> After testing them on test machines before applying them to production.
[16:03:09] <axisys> r00tintheb0x: thats fine . but they are same size?
[16:03:15] <cmihai> But basically that's the reason: patching can fail dramatically.
[16:03:34] <r00tintheb0x> axisys, hypatheticaly speaking yes (spelling)
[16:03:43] <r00tintheb0x> hypotheticaly.
[16:03:46] * r00tintheb0x shrugs
[16:03:48] <r00tintheb0x> heh
[16:04:04] <r00tintheb0x> axisys,
[16:04:16] <r00tintheb0x> bash-2.05#  prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c3t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c3t1d0s2
[16:04:16] <r00tintheb0x> Partition 2 not aligned on cylinder boundary: "       2      5    01          0  71127180  71127179"
[16:04:17] <axisys> r00tintheb0x: can you paste the output of prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c3tXdXs2 of all here http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[16:04:22] <cmihai> Tempt: besides, you don't mess with production machines that much. If you're an admin, it's basically maintenence: patching, backups and security checks and making sure everything is OK. Monitoring is usually centralized anyway
[16:04:37] <r00tintheb0x> axisys, sure thing.
[16:04:58] <cmihai> Tempt: so Patching is indeed one of the places you can fuck up bigtime unless you have a plan and know what you're doing. And most do imply some kind of downtime anyway. The idea is to minimize downtime and plan for failure.
[16:05:06] <r00tintheb0x> well axisys my accociate is going to work on it.
[16:05:10] <cmihai> HA architectures help here.
[16:05:14] <r00tintheb0x> i've gotta install some compilers on a linux box.
[16:05:22] <Tempt> cmihai: You have quiet environments.
[16:05:31] <Tempt> cmihai: I've had non-stop deployments for three months
[16:05:46] <Tempt> cmihai: new apps, new hardware, new servers, it never ends
[16:05:47] <cmihai> I'm not talking about deploying new machines, I'm talking about maintenence here.
[16:05:56] <Tempt> cmihai: I'm talking overall workload.
[16:06:00] <cmihai> And patching is done more often then upgrading :-)
[16:06:06] <CSFrost> heh, it's sad to watch a download from my .jp server.. I always seem to be limited by my download speed :-P
[16:06:31] <cmihai> CSFrost: Japan has awesome bandwidth
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[16:06:40] <cmihai> CSFrost: had a friend there, line speed GbE for 100$
[16:06:52] <CSFrost> $100? I pay $40
[16:07:01] <cmihai> ;-))
[16:07:08] <CSFrost> must have been a few years ago :-)
[16:07:11] <cmihai> Yeah
[16:07:17] <cmihai> About 2 years ago I think
[16:08:07] <CSFrost> yea, Tokyo Electric, NTT, and Yahoo all have Gigabit connections available now I believe.
[16:08:23] <cmihai> This was Tokyo so..
[16:08:30] <cmihai> Oh well, I hate my life :p
[16:08:40] <CSFrost> start applying for jobs :-P
[16:09:20] <trochej> :)
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[16:11:42] <dclarke> ooh .. are people bitchin' ? is this a "bitch channel" ?
[16:11:46] <CSFrost> yes
[16:11:55] <dclarke> just want to know .. I can start whining now :-)
[16:12:26] <dclarke> I have done four builds of snv_68 over the past five days and only one of them succeeded but
[16:12:35] <dclarke> when I did the BFU and the ACR my system paniced and halted
[16:12:46] <dclarke> in the first 30 secs it froze up dead as a doornail
[16:12:52] <dclarke> warm brick ?  not even
[16:12:56] <dclarke> it was a cold dead fish
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[16:13:06] <CSFrost> like a trout?
[16:13:07] <dclarke> and yet the build was successful .. this really ticked me off
[16:13:14] <dclarke> so then I started to build again
[16:13:22] <Berny__> hmm, dead fish reminds me, i'm hungry
[16:13:25] <dclarke> but this time I installed snv_)64a Developers addition
[16:13:32] <dclarke> what a crock .. it installs Studio 12
[16:13:41] <Berny__> hehe
[16:13:45] <dclarke> which is not Studio 11 .. and all I ever did was buiuild with
[16:14:00] <dclarke> studio 11 .. so I do this build with Studio 12 .. well .. you should see the crap
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[16:14:06] <dclarke> that produced on a 32-bit machine and ...
[16:14:11] <dclarke> bitch bitch bitch
[16:14:17] <dclarke> insert whineing noises
[16:14:28] <quasi> dclarke: that time of the month?
[16:14:37] <dclarke> must be
[16:14:42] <dclarke> :-)
[16:14:49] <dclarke> okay .. os .. back to reality
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[16:15:31] <dclarke> ==== Nightly distributed build started:   Mon Jul  9 09:14:34 EDT 2007 ====
[16:15:36] <dclarke> ==== Nightly distributed build completed: Tue Jul 10 01:35:27 EDT 2007 ====
[16:15:41] <dclarke> ==== Total build time ====
[16:15:45] <dclarke> real    16:20:53
[16:16:02] <dclarke> ==== Build errors (DEBUG) ====
[16:16:11] <dclarke> ld: fatal: relocation error: R_AMD64_32: file ./debug64/unix.o: symbol swapped_lock: value 0xfffffffffbc5f5c8 does not fit
[16:16:22] <dclarke> repeat 20,000 times
[16:16:38] <axisys> how do I debug a core dump on sol 10 u2 ?
[16:16:51] <dclarke> mdb -k
[16:17:08] <axisys> dclarke: so mdb -k corefile?
[16:17:11] <dclarke> did you get a core dump in /var/crash/`uname -n`
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[16:17:36] <dclarke> oh .. a core file from some other piece of software
[16:17:41] <axisys> dclarke: no it is a core file in /var/core of a process
[16:17:46] <axisys> dclarke: yes
[16:17:50] <dclarke> you had better check the debugger manual at docs.sun.com
[16:18:01] <dclarke> its a whole life of its own
[16:18:15] <axisys> dclarke: i am just trying to do a quick debug..
[16:18:24] <axisys> pstact corefiles gives me some info
[16:18:33] <dclarke> okay .. I'm just trying to run to another server .
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[16:18:37] <dclarke> I'll be back
[16:18:42] <axisys> dclarke: thnx
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[16:19:07] <axisys> i know gcore create a core of a live process
[16:19:21] <axisys> if u want to test one
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[16:26:53] <axisys> dclarke: i started reading it like this /opt/SUNWspro/bin/dbx /usr/bin/scp core_www2_scp_120_1_1184042635_26404
[16:27:04] <axisys> not sure what to do next yet
[16:28:37] <axisys> dclarke: so far i got this much http://rafb.net/p/aOWdSQ66.html
[16:28:50] <Tempt> hmm, x86 box has just found new life
[16:28:54] <Tempt> backup host.
[16:29:01] <CSFrost> heh
[16:29:08] <CSFrost> powerdrainage
[16:29:19] <CSFrost> it's job is to raise the powerbill :-P
[16:29:23] <Tempt> Hmm
[16:29:25] <Tempt> That one.
[16:29:26] <Berny__> backup to /dev/null much faster :-P
[16:29:38] <Tempt> Although it has been powered up under a pile of crap for the last year or so.
[16:29:47] <Tempt> So the power bill isn't getting any higher
[16:30:10] <Tempt> uptime was over 400 days
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[16:32:24] <CSFrost> 400 days doing nothing :-P
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[16:34:11] <PerterB> Think of all those wasted CPU cycles!
[16:35:16] <Berny__> should have run seti or the like :-)
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[16:36:41] <Tempt> I don't think they release seti for Solaris anymore.
[16:36:53] <boro> is there an api function to change enviromnent variable of other process, already running ?
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[16:38:03] <Berny__> they do Tempt
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[16:38:31] <Tempt> Perhaps it was only SPARC they dished.
[16:38:33] <Tempt> ditched.
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[16:38:45] <Berny__> it's running on 2 of my sparcs ;-)
[16:38:52] <Tempt> I seem to remember looking for something to sop up some spare cycles on a big machine a while ago and giving up.
[16:38:53] <Berny__> and a few amd64
[16:39:04] <Tempt> I know the protein folding guys don't do SPARC anymore.
[16:39:14] <damienc> bobo: I think you might be able to hack something with dtrace, but there isn't an API afaik.
[16:39:14] <Berny__> they setis do
[16:39:18] <PerterB> boro: you really don't want to be doing that... there's no API, but you might be able to script a debugger to do it for you
[16:39:20] <damienc> boro: I think you might be able to hack something with dtrace, but there isn't an API afaik.
[16:39:23] <Berny__> just give them your cycles ;)
[16:39:43] <boro> ah...ok, thanks
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[16:41:18] <leal> Tempt? hello...
[16:41:23] <Tempt> Hello.
[16:41:59] <leal> Tempt? the problem with the solaris u3 installation... was the "media"! ?))
[16:42:26] <Tempt> Berny__: No! MY CYCLES
[16:42:31] <Tempt> Berny__: All mine!
[16:42:38] <Tempt> leal: Really?
[16:42:41] <Tempt> leal: Faulty DVD?
[16:42:44] <leal> Tempt? the dvd media... i did burn another dvd, and now the installation is ok.
[16:43:01] <Tempt> leal: That's a killer
[16:43:15] <Tempt> leal: All happily SAN booting now?
[16:43:47] <leal> Tempt? yes, i did many installations, and did test the packages (pkgchk), and too many packages was marked as installed, but without files... drivers missing... a mess
[16:43:56] <leal> Tempt? yes. :)
[16:44:08] <Tempt> leal: Very strange indeed. Well, good you got it fixed.
[16:44:30] <Tempt> leal: I really don't have much faith in DVD burning technology. I tend to verify-after-burn for that sort of thing.
[16:44:33] <CSFrost> the next person who asks me if I have an iphone yet shall be shot
[16:44:49] <CSFrost> sorry, I just had to express that
[16:45:08] <Berny__> do you have an iphone frostie?
[16:45:09] <leal> Tempt: strange that the installation process does not tell me that the packages were bad.... i did see that, because i did open a terminal and did a tail -f /var/log/messages..
[16:45:37] <Tempt> I don't think you'd get log messages for failed packages during an install
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[16:45:55] <CSFrost> introducing the ipenis, it's only 2" long, but it's better then all the rest because we tell you so!
[16:46:23] <Tempt> fuck the iphone
[16:46:29] <Tempt> What a POS.
[16:46:44] <leal> Tempt: so, i could see the ERRORS trying to read the dvd rom... "FATAL, retryable, etc..." many messages by minute... so, i did burn another dvd, and did the same test... the messages was clean! And the machine boots ok.
[16:46:56] <Tempt> Give me a Nokia with Symbian and I'll be happy, and keep your silly iphone
[16:47:12] <leal> Tempt: N95
[16:47:14] <Tempt> leal: Aha. Excellent. Enjoying your Solaris experience now?
[16:47:19] <axisys> is this means http://rafb.net/p/O7f1vj24.html that I should not set snooping = 1 on a production system as practice
[16:47:20] <Tempt> N95 indeed.
[16:47:26] <Tempt> I need to buy a new phone, actually.
[16:47:37] <Tempt> My last decent phone had to be returned when I changed employers.
[16:48:03] <CSFrost> Tempt, I just get sick and tired of hearing people rave about a stupid media player, lol
[16:48:04] <leal> Tempt: i think N95 is the one.
[16:48:13] <Tempt> As long is it isn't a total brick, syncs over bluetooth and runs putty I'm happy enough.
[16:48:33] <Tempt> CSFrost: I 100% agree with you.
[16:48:46] <Tempt> CSFrost: It's the whole stupid cult of the shining blue Apple.
[16:48:55] <leal> Tempt: I'm thinking in change the cell phone too... but i will wait the N95 becomes less expansive...
[16:49:08] <Tempt> leal: What's the screen rez on the N95 now?
[16:49:12] <CSFrost> I'd rather have a phone that could host a webserver, then one that can play me a tune.. I have lips, I can whistle.
[16:49:39] <CSFrost> my cellphone's screen res is 640x480 ><
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[16:49:54] <leal> i don' t know exactly...
[16:49:57] <Tempt> CSFrost: I'd rather one that made phones calls effectively, has decent PDA type functions and plays well with my hardware.
[16:50:00] <Tempt> CSFrost: model?
[16:50:15] <CSFrost> 904sh
[16:50:27] <Tempt> manufacturer?
[16:50:30] <CSFrost> actually I think my 910 has the same res, but I can't use it here cause lack of 3G
[16:50:33] <CSFrost> sharp
[16:50:40] <Tempt> OS?
[16:51:26] <CSFrost> I believe it was a type of closed source linux or such.. never looked into it (it's closed)
[16:51:33] <CSFrost> certainly not windows though
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[16:51:54] <Tempt> Hmm.
[16:52:01] <Tempt> I do like the sharp Zaurus
[16:52:06] <Tempt> Nice little toy.
[16:52:11] <CSFrost> it works fine for a phone, if they took the screen and the camera I am sure it would make a great pda
[16:52:30] <CSFrost> yea, the linux based Zaurus's were great, I think the new ones are windows based though
[16:52:32] <CSFrost> which sucks
[16:53:01] <axisys> should I not use set snooping=1 on a production system?
[16:53:24] <Tempt> wow, that's a nice lookin' phone
[16:53:27] <Tempt> GSM?
[16:53:29] <CSFrost> Tempt, if someone went to work and actually made a developer friendly phone.. they could really make some money on it :-P
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[16:53:43] <CSFrost> the 904? 3g/gsm
[16:53:54] <CSFrost> I roam on at&t and t-mobile here...
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[16:53:59] <Tempt> The Zaurus is still runs Linux.
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[16:54:10] <Tempt> At least for the Japanese-market-only models.
[16:54:21] <CSFrost> really? I thought I looked a bit ago, and it was windows
[16:54:24] <CSFrost> let me check again
[16:54:29] <Tempt> Mate bought one last year.
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[16:54:51] <CSFrost> the n95 is 320x240 it looks like
[16:55:34] <Tempt> 640x480 is better for running a terminal though.
[16:55:38] <Tempt> Hmm.
[16:55:48] <Tempt> I wonder what they cost.
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[16:56:50] <CSFrost> the downside is I think most japan vodafone (now softbank) phones are locked though
[16:57:18] <trygvis> 16:56 <@nor> http://www.dagthomasolsen.com/?p=152
[16:58:08] <Tempt> Hmm
[16:58:14] <Tempt> There must be a way to get one.
[16:58:41] <axisys> so I take people do not use this `set snooping=1' as often?
[16:58:54] <CSFrost> think it would be better to talk to Sharp about mass producing a phone that did function well :-P
[16:59:01] <Tempt> US$215 on ebay
[16:59:55] <Tempt> damn
[16:59:58] <Tempt> no unlocking yet
[17:00:05] * Tempt hates the whole SIM lock thing
[17:00:16] <CSFrost> yep
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[17:00:47] <Tempt> How come vendors play into it?
[17:00:55] <CSFrost> axisys, your going to do better on google, or blogs.sun.com, there are discussions on system hanging there and such
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[17:01:06] <CSFrost> Tempt, it's a carrier request thing
[17:01:21] <Tempt> iPhone wankers are desperate to unlock their wanktoy.
[17:01:31] <CSFrost> the carrier wants to be the only one to offer a service, or a product, to prevent people from switching, or etc..
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[17:01:42] <CSFrost> iphone is still useless unlocked
[17:01:43] <Tempt> I'd say my next phone will be another Nokia.
[17:01:47] <CSFrost> useless is as useless does..
[17:01:54] <Tempt> The 904 looks ideal for me but not if I can't use it.
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[17:02:06] <poseiden> partition size must be a multiple of 2880 blocks to lie on a cylinder boundary
[17:02:06] <poseiden> 62915040 blocks is approximately 21845 cylinders, 30720.23 megabytes or 30.00gigabytes
[17:02:30] <poseiden> there's no way to partition disks with different geometries to the same number of blocks is there?
[17:02:32] <CSFrost> sim locking is much like IP patents.
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[17:02:59] <CSFrost> Tempt, if you are good with software algorythms, I am sure it wouldn't take too long to crack Sony's
[17:03:01] <axisys> CSFrost: u bet
[17:03:45] <Tempt> Heh.
[17:04:10] <Tempt> CSFrost: Someone will probably crack the 904sh soon though.
[17:04:17] <Tempt> CSFrost: Wanna grab me one while you're in Japan?
[17:04:23] <boro> it seems there's a problem downloading segment 2 of build67 of CE
[17:04:38] <CSFrost> Tempt, you are right too.. Zaurus is still linux.. I wonder what the reason was that I didn't buy one
[17:05:04] <CSFrost> Tempt, I have spares still, I always keep a spare of each phone incase one breaks, no need to buy another :-P
[17:05:24] <Tempt> Hmmm
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[17:07:04] <CSFrost> The good thing about the vodafone jp (softbank) service is that if I get a scratch on the phone, I can make them replace the whole casing, and they only charge me 600 yen
[17:07:15] <Tempt> That's nifty.
[17:07:28] <Tempt> My phones usually get scratch up remarkably quickly.
[17:07:48] <Doc> 600 yen? that's like A$2000 or something!
[17:07:57] <CSFrost> yep, I'm about 2400 yen into this one so far..
[17:08:14] <CSFrost> like $8 au or so doc
[17:08:15] <Tempt> I wonder what the Linux zaurus goes for in Japan?
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[17:08:28] <CSFrost> 600 yen is about $4 or $5 USD..
[17:08:31] <Doc> hmm.. maybe i multiplied where i should have divided :)
[17:08:40] <CSFrost> Tempt, can't read Japanese?
[17:09:02] <renihs> such an easy language (to speak)
[17:09:03] <renihs> :p
[17:09:15] <Tempt> CSFrost: Nope, can't read Japanese.
[17:09:18] <CSFrost> sec Tempt, I'll check pricing
[17:09:25] <Tempt> CSFrost: Easy to dump the English firmware onto them though.
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[17:09:35] <Tempt> CSFrost: and lots of third-party installs for more features.
[17:10:15] <Tempt> Most of the people who advertise them for sale in english crank the price up by 50%
[17:10:18] <CSFrost> if you need english firmware.. even tv's from japan have english language options now
[17:10:28] <CSFrost> more like 100% :-P
[17:10:56] <Tempt> Anyway, what's the yen?
[17:11:04] <CSFrost> 43,590
[17:11:10] <CSFrost> for the SC3200
[17:11:24] <CSFrost> SL-C3200 * sorry
[17:12:55] <Tempt> way cool.
[17:13:22] <CSFrost> the 1000 is the next lower model, looks less like a palmtop and more like a pda though
[17:13:39] <Tempt> You want the 3200
[17:13:50] <Tempt> They make a good media player, actually, for annoying your apple-loving neighbours.
[17:14:02] <CSFrost> my phone plays stereo..
[17:14:08] <CSFrost> no need for another media player
[17:14:22] <CSFrost> equilizers and everything :-P
[17:15:21] <Cyrille> my tv makes coffee. my car mows the lawn.
[17:15:38] <Tempt> my computer heats my house.
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[17:16:35] <PerterB> my cat's name is mittens</ralph>
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[17:51:20] <CSFrost> my cat ate my homework.
[17:51:47] <trochej> My cat ate my homenet
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[17:54:57] <Tempt> 'night all
[17:55:03] <tru_tru> hi any Tyan board user here?
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[17:56:52] * tru_tru searching for feedback of the S4985(http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=271)/daughter board M4985(http://www.tyan.com/product_accessories_spec.aspx?pid=49)
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[18:03:42] <CSFrost> tru_tru, for feedback you might have some luck on the mailing list, but most (not all) in here use Sun hardware..
[18:04:03] <CSFrost> if your looking for a general review, then google/yahoo is the tool of choice.
[18:04:26] <CSFrost> generally tyan, or asus do offer quality products though.
[18:05:19] <sickness> work finished!
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[18:05:48] <e^ipi> forever?
[18:06:08] <sickness> nope, for today :P
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[18:08:42] <alanc> gdamore: you see this?  AcceleratedX w/OpenGL for Radeons w/PC BIOS on SPARCs: http://www.xig.com/Pages/CardsChips/ATIcards/ATI-9250onSPARC.html
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[18:09:49] <e^ipi> i remember a while back when apple still used PPC there were people flashing certain (PC)  radeons to work in the quicksilver G4 machines
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[18:21:24] <Marv|LG> i have one of them :)
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[18:26:31] * alanc waits for the dancing in the streets to commence
[18:26:55] <alanc> "sdtaudiocontrol will probably come out around the time OSS goes in"
[18:26:58] <CSFrost> is it fat tuesday?
[18:27:22] <e^ipi> isn't that in february?
[18:27:24] <dclarke> how can I determine the value of maxphys on a running machine ?
[18:27:35] <dclarke> mdb -k
[18:27:40] <dclarke> and then ....
[18:27:50] <trygvis> http://www.dagthomasolsen.com/?p=152
[18:28:09] <CSFrost> well he mentioned dancing in the streets... and it is tuesday in most of the world..
[18:28:23] <e^ipi> alanc: you'd know.... assuming the drivers exist, can you just shove a PPC apple video card in to a sparc ?
[18:28:33] <e^ipi> and expect it to work
[18:28:45] <alanc> I suppose the dancing would actually be on sdtaudiocontrol's grave, not in the streets per se
[18:28:57] <richlowe> dclarke: maxphys/D
[18:29:06] <dclarke> thats it .. thanks
[18:29:07] <richlowe> or rather /<format of your choosing, see ::formats>
[18:29:12] <dclarke> the /D for decimal
[18:29:20] <alanc> e^ipi: I don't think so - the XVR-100 is a Radeon 7000ME (Mac Edition) with Sun-customized firmware
[18:29:22] <dclarke> had a brain fart .. I knew that
[18:29:27] <dclarke> need ... coffee
[18:29:31] <dclarke> thanks
[18:29:38] <e^ipi> okie... just curious
[18:30:05] <dclarke> maxphys:        131072
[18:30:21] <dclarke> ummm .. that is on a fast Solaris 8 box with Ultra320 controllers
[18:30:31] <dclarke> I think I'd like something a bit bigger please
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[18:31:11] <dclarke> and its still 56K on snv_64a on i386
[18:31:14] <CSFrost> I have a commadore here I am not using...
[18:31:15] <dclarke> geez ..
[18:32:35] <CSFrost> hrm, good time for lunchtime, be back in a few hours :-)
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[18:35:12] <axisys> dclarke: so u have some steps with mdb for debuging core file
[18:35:31] <dclarke> not really ..
[18:35:36] <dclarke> or at least .. not at the moment
[18:40:37] <tru_tru> CSFrost: thx, google didn't yield anything usefull :(
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[18:42:50] <bigjohnto>  hi everyone, Every time i try to use staroffice "execute soffice.bin" it pops up a window saying that it could not enter setup automatically and i would have to enter setup manually.... what could be causing that?
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[18:59:49] <Teknix> hrmm, norcotek now has a 12 bay unit with infiniband multilane SATA for $639.  Couple that with an Areca card or two and you have a nice ZFS setup
[19:00:22] <Teknix> too bad there is still no port multiplier support :/
[19:00:38] <CIA-26> gm89044: 6543566 RNG does not need to be in closed source
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[19:10:03] <yippi> anybody know how to download spec-files-extra?
[19:10:18] <yippi> i'm trying the SVN command on the SFE website, but it seems to not work
[19:10:33] <yippi> in fact svn.sourceforge.net seems to not work
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[19:13:35] <yippi> oh, using pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net seems to work better
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[19:38:27] * the-decider listens to a client's sysadmins moaning and groaning about how much work it takes to get fc multipathing working on linux.
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[19:45:04] <aruiz> does anyone knows how can I do a sed expression to substitute a pattern that includes serveral lines?
[19:45:48] <aruiz> like s/\/\*.*(\n).*\/\*// ?
[19:46:08] <aruiz> obviously, the \n thing doesn't work :)
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[19:46:39] <maps> what would you recommend for a switch
[19:47:09] <trochej> maps: Different sex
[19:47:27] <aruiz> trochej, heh
[19:47:33] <trochej> aruiz: huh
[19:47:58] <maps> it is hooked up to 15mbit fiber
[19:48:25] <maps> there will be about 12 computers, 12 phones, and about 12 servers
[19:48:42] <trochej> maps: Switch or router?
[19:48:51] <trochej> Oh, switch
[19:49:05] <maps> it needs vlan support
[19:49:29] <maps> thats about it i think
[19:49:49] <trochej> I never had problems with 3coms
[19:50:24] <maps> ok i will check those out
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[19:51:39] <nachox> aruiz: to feed the next line into the buffer you need the N sed command
[19:52:03] <sfire||mouse> maps: "Nobody got fired for buying cisco"  </semi sarcasm>
[19:52:22] <aruiz> maps, 3com are excelletn for vlan capabilities
[19:52:46] <maps> i was looking at cisco also
[19:53:03] <_mary_kate_> maps: Foundry
[19:54:19] <maps> http://www.amazon.com/3Com-SuperStack-Switch-24-Port-3C16985B-US/dp/tech-data/B00006LUJK/ref=de_a_smtd/105-6222201-1331623
[19:54:31] <maps> it looks like i can pick up a used one of those for 50 dollars
[19:55:49] <trochej> maps: You said it was supposed to be linked to 15Gbit?
[19:56:32] <_mary_kate_> trochej: he said mbit :)
[19:56:34] <maps> well a ethernet handoff (100mbit)
[19:56:39] <trochej> Ohh
[19:56:40] <trochej> Sorry
[19:56:51] * trochej smashes head in the table
[19:56:54] <maps> 15gbit would be nice
[19:57:13] <maps> i guess i need a router
[19:57:35] <trochej> It's a nice one, and has VLANS and so onhttp://www.3com.com/products/en_US/prodlist.jsp?tab=cat&pathtype=purchase&cat=4&selcat=LAN+Switches+%28Stackable%2FEdge%29&family=213993
[19:57:42] <trochej> Ghhm
[19:57:45] <axisys> anyone used app crash for a non-global zone?
[19:57:51] <trochej> http://www.3com.com/products/en_US/prodlist.jsp?tab=cat&pathtype=purchase&cat=4&selcat=LAN+Switches+%28Stackable%2FEdge%29&family=213993
[19:58:05] <trochej> maps: Use Linux box
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[19:58:08] <trochej> :)
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[19:58:24] <maps> i am going to use a linux box for running a dhcp server for the internal network
[19:58:46] <trochej> Why? Can't use freebsd or Solaris?
[19:58:47] <maps> i guess i will do that on do it on the cheap for now
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[20:00:31] <CIA-26> raf: 6575443 When SA_SIGINFO is specified, a signal handler's siginfo pointer must never be NULL
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[20:10:11] <maps> how about a cisco catalyst 5000
[20:10:37] <_mary_kate_> maps: cisco 3560 is a layer 3 switch, can do routing as well
[20:11:25] <maps> what is a good price on a cisco catalyst 5000
[20:11:34] <maps> i will check out the cisco 3560
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[20:35:52] <trygvis> do I need to HUP crond when I add jobs to /var/spool/cron/crontab/root?
[20:36:52] <vmlemon> Anyone familiar with Fibre Channel over IP?
[20:37:04] <_mary_kate_> you mean IP over fibre channel?
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[20:39:50] <leal> does exist boot -r on x86 systems?
[20:40:16] <_mary_kate_> leal: not anymore, you edit the grub command line
[20:40:42] <leal> ok, that is the question... how can i do that?
[20:40:59] <_mary_kate_> press 'e' at the menu, scroll down to the 'kernel ...' line and write your options at the end
[20:41:06] <_mary_kate_> e.g. kernel /whatever/multiboot -rv
[20:41:25] <leal> i'm new to pca... and i'm used to do a shutdown -y -g0 -i6. now pca gives the message: you should "boot -r"
[20:41:38] <_mary_kate_> oh.  just touch /reconfigure
[20:42:31] <leal> _mary_kate_: thanks. do you use pca?
[20:42:35] <_mary_kate_> no
[20:48:28] <Abe_Froman> does your sister?
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[20:48:55] <quasi> leal: boot -r is to get a reconfigure boot - as _mary_kate_ says, touch /reconfigure and then an init 6 will do the same
[20:53:18] <leal> quasi: thanks.. the patch did create the /reconfigure file.
[20:53:27] <leal> quasi: do you use pca?
[20:54:49] <quasi> leal: I do from time to time if I don't have a contract on a system
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[20:56:15] <leal> quasi: just my case... :)
[20:57:13] <leal> quasi: there is a way to see (clean) if the system is uptdate? I mean, the pca seems does not make difference between "free" patches and service plans...
[20:57:49] <leal> quasi: so, there is "much" information... updatemanager for example, just shows me what i can get.
[20:58:05] <leal> there is a option to do that?
[20:59:55] <quasi> leal: suns tools will show you security updates mostly, while pca just downloads the patchdiag.xref and displays that - by using pcas display options, you can figure out where the different patches belongs ... and just because pca sees a patch, doesn't necessarily mean that it will be available for download
[21:00:30] <CIA-26> ck153898: 6509812 it would be useful if zdb(1M) could run on exported pools
[21:03:03] <leal> quasi: yes, so... that generates many "errors". I think should be a option to make the things more clearer.
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[21:15:05] <newbie> how can I restart gdm ? I cant see the gdm gui and dont know how to start console so I login from a different computer, but svcadm restart gdm dont work. svcadm enable gdm start a new on display:1...
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[21:24:10] <newbie> how can I restart gdm ? I cant see the gdm gui and dont know how to start console so I login from a different computer, but svcadm restart gdm dont work. svcadm enable gdm start a new on display:1...
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[21:32:17] <trochej> newbie: did you disable cde-login?
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[21:33:29] <newbie> trochej: uhm, does it look just the same ? . If thats the standard on install I didnt chande it
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[21:34:22] <trochej> newbie: svcs | grep cde
[21:35:29] <trochej> newbie: What is the output?
[21:35:40] <newbie> didnt get any yet ...
[21:36:05] <newbie> online
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[21:37:03] <trochej> disable it first
[21:37:08] <newbie> online         Jun_19   svc:/application/graphical-login/cde-login:default
[21:37:27] <newbie> trochej: well I dont mind running it though
[21:37:31] <newbie> cant I restart it
[21:37:38] <newbie> restart cde doesnt exist
[21:37:41] <trochej> newbie: Okay, then you don't use gdm
[21:38:00] <trochej> svcadm restart svc:/application/graphical-login/cde-login
[21:38:07] <newbie> dont mind I said gdm before cause I thought thats what I userd
[21:38:14] <trochej> Okay
[21:38:29] <newbie> svcadm restart cde-login should do  ?
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[21:39:02] <trochej> try it
[21:39:32] <trochej> Okay, I need to go home
[21:39:37] <newbie> yes, well it didnt complain. Mean I've read somewhere that you dont need the complete "path"
[21:39:48] <trochej> One more hour here and I can just take a nap at the desk and wake up in work
[21:39:51] <newbie> ok, thanks I need to go donwstairs to CSI
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[21:40:03] <trochej> [d]
[21:40:06] <CSFrost> !seen drone
[21:40:49] <newbie> but is there a way to get console whithout using the cde interface ?
[21:41:32] <newbie> cde is now in maintenance after restart
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[22:22:30] <leal> the LP print server is disabled by default on solaris 10 u3?
[22:23:06] <quasi> leal: probably
[22:25:34] <leal> quasi: svcs -x shows me that service and one dependent service... so, i was just trying to be sure.
[22:26:42] <quasi> leal: svcs -a lists all known services and their state
[22:29:48] <leal> quasi: i know, but svcs -x shows the services that 'fail' to start on are in a Disabled/maint state.
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[22:31:30] <quasi> leal: svcs -xv <failed service> gives you more info
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[23:04:34] <gdamore> oh my.  i really, really like alan's most recent reply to linda.
[23:05:58] <palowoda> Yeah I seen that.
[23:09:19] <sommerfeld> where?
[23:09:26] <palowoda> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-July/002172.html
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[23:12:03] <stevel> maybe he's just mad Linda called him "Alean" ;-)
[23:13:06] <palowoda> I would take the more human approach.  Invite her over for barbee and give her a shovel as a gift.
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[23:13:43] <palowoda> Food always works out the bad feelings.
[23:19:49] <gdamore> linda and a few of us have been around and around.
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[23:27:48] <_mary_kate_> i wish there was a chown syntax to change to the user's primary gid
[23:33:27] <quasi> _mary_kate_: hopefully, that's not something you have to do very often?
[23:33:57] <_mary_kate_> no, but it'd still be useful :)
[23:34:37] <sommerfeld> _mary_kate_: chgrp `id -gn $user` file..., maybe?
[23:35:01] <_mary_kate_> sommerfeld: i mean in one operation. chown river:staff foo -> chown -G river foo
[23:35:02] <sommerfeld> (or "chown $user:`id -gn $user` file...")
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[23:53:50] <alanc> i knew there was a window missing after I restarted gnome with the gnome-terminal fixes
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