[00:00:30] <CIA-26> stevel: 6540978 libsldap EXPORT_WS target must die, 6540980 $SRC/cmd/agents clobber/realclobber targets do despicable things with SC, CS, 6540992 uts warlock targets expect to have SCCS around to help them, Contributed by Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>, 6542280 usr/closed/cmd/agents don't like to be touched (by SCCS) there either, 6574829 usr/src/uts/intel/cmlb/Makefile missing CDDL
[00:00:31] <CIA-26> pothier: 6237582 No field firmware update facility for IB-HCA (fix packaging)
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[00:15:45] <nrubsig> stevel: ping!
[00:16:14] <nrubsig> stevel: What would you think about something like "tinderbox" to watch the OS/Net build ?
[00:16:21] <stevel> what's tinderbox?
[00:16:56] <richlowe> stevel: constantly running builds, 'pretty' web page output.
[00:17:07] <richlowe> stevel: dave, but written in perl ;)
[00:17:12] <stevel> ahhh
[00:17:24] <stevel> i like the second explanation better ;)
[00:17:25] <nrubsig> stevel: see http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Firefox - tinderbox is an automated build system which compiles a code repository over and over again and reports build failures
[00:17:42] <stevel> nrubsig: if you want to set it up, go for it
[00:17:44] <nrubsig> stevel: e.g. you can see if a checkin breaks the build
[00:17:48] <nrubsig> stevel: groan
[00:17:50] <stevel> we already have that
[00:17:59] <stevel> in that the gate machine does incremental builds and reports failures
[00:17:59] <nrubsig> stevel: I don't have machines for that... ;-(
[00:18:27] <nrubsig> stevel: yes, but there is no "tinderbox" webpage to watch checkins breaking the builf... it's pretty funny when that happens...
[00:18:28] <nrubsig> one sec
[00:19:58] <nrubsig> grumpf... no major build bustage in the last days... ;-(
[00:20:03] <richlowe> Yeah there was.
[00:20:08] <richlowe> the fwflash screw up
[00:20:17] <richlowe> Or did you mean of mozilla?
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[00:20:34] <nrubsig> stevel: normally "green" means Ok, "orange" = test failure and "red" = build failure
[00:20:39] <nrubsig> richlowe: mozilla
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[00:21:04] <nrubsig> richlowe: I am looking for an example of build bustage ---> tree closure ---> fix ---> red status clears up
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[00:21:51] <nrubsig> richlowe: sort of "gatekeepers live action" thing
[00:21:52] <richlowe> Yeah, the point is, that's effectively done now.
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[00:21:53] <richlowe> just without the webpage.
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[00:22:02] <richlowe> an with more snarky email.
[00:22:13] <richlowe> So why not just hook that to a page, if someone cared?
[00:22:45] <nrubsig> erm
[00:23:29] <nrubsig> richlowe: the tinderbox page links build logs, build machine details and other stuff together... and AFAIK I don't have the information or access to the information sources.
[00:23:54] <nrubsig> richlowe: e.g. tinderbox can lookup all checkins in a given timeframe to track down who did which checkins ("blame")
[00:26:10] <richlowe> I know what tinderbox (and buildbot) do, and allow you to do.
[00:26:45] <richlowe> my point was only that rather than doing the same thing, twice, why not just ask the gk's if they feel like pushing out whatever data in some fruit-salad themed webpage?
[00:27:41] <nrubsig> richlowe: that would be _lots_ of work.
[00:27:50] <PerterB> realistically though, do anyone apart from the gatekeepers and the people who broke the build care?
[00:28:32] <richlowe> nrubsig: ... but so would duplicating it...
[00:28:37] <richlowe> anyway, I give up.
[00:28:42] <richlowe> talk to people who could actually do it.
[00:28:51] <nrubsig> PerterB: IMO part of "opensource" means that the work and progress is to visualise it.
[00:28:56] <nrubsig> erm
[00:29:41] <nrubsig> PerterB: I mean part of "opensource" means to visualise the work and progress to the people outside - and right now opensolaris.org does a damn BAD job at that point.
[00:29:53] <PerterB> nrubsig: I have no problem with visualisation, I would just suggest people are more interested in the advances than unfortunate breakages
[00:29:55] <richlowe> Yeah, but not because of tinderbox
[00:30:08] <richlowe> tinderbox is a minor pretty thing on the side of any real problems.
[00:31:09] <nrubsig> richlowe: the idea was not to duplicate tinderbox, my idea was to interface "nightly" with the tinderbox scripts which is quite easy - except that I myself do not own a suiteable machine.
[00:31:35] <nrubsig> (for tha job)
[00:31:40] <nrubsig> s/tha/that/
[00:33:58] <pfn> tinderbox sucksass
[00:33:58] <pfn> heh
[00:34:36] <nrubsig> groan
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[00:35:13] * pfn wrote a giant build status reporting framework at work...
[00:35:22] <pfn> except it looks like it'll end up being replaced by buildforge...
[00:35:59] <nrubsig> does anyone know what the "ccc" keyword in bugs.opensolaris.org means ?
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[00:59:42] <el_alexluna> hi all!
[00:59:56] <el_alexluna> where i can find packages for opensolaris?
[01:00:29] <CIA-26> stevel: 6540978 libsldap EXPORT_WS target must die, 6540980 $SRC/cmd/agents clobber/realclobber targets do despicable things with SCCS, 6540992 uts warlock targets expect to have SCCS around to help them, Contributed by Richard Lowe <richlowe at richlowe dot net>, 6542280 usr/closed/cmd/agents don't like to be touched (by SCCS) there either, 6574829 usr/src/uts/intel/cmlb/Makefile missing CDDL
[01:00:30] <CIA-26> pothier: 6237582 No field firmware update facility for IB-HCA (fix packaging)
[01:00:33] <CIA-26> esaxe: 6495401 cpuid based cache hierarchy awareness
[01:00:34] <CIA-26> gjelinek: 6576819 optional brand hooks should be optional
[01:00:46] <henriknj> blastwave.org
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[01:05:27] <el_alexluna> henriknj, thx
[01:16:46] <Reidms-420R> Is it bad that I prefer apache over apache2?
[01:19:18] <gdamore> these days?  probably.
[01:19:29] <gdamore> apache2 has stabilized to the point where I'd prefer it.
[01:19:44] <Reidms-420R> apache2s configuration is so fscked up
[01:20:42] <gdamore> it ships with mod_ssl, however, and includes improved threading support.
[01:21:05] <delewis> I don't think it makes a huge difference (at least performance-wise) if its not high-traffic and you're not doing mod_* stuff that accesses a backend DB.
[01:21:13] <delewis> that was a huge Apache 1.3.x weakness.
[01:21:14] <Reidms-420R> There is no central config file for apache2 correct?
[01:21:21] <delewis> sure there is.
[01:21:30] <delewis> its almost identical to the apache 1.3.x configuration
[01:21:31] <Reidms-420R> like htttpd.conf?
[01:21:33] <delewis> except for a few things like workers
[01:21:34] <delewis> yes
[01:21:39] <delewis>  /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[01:22:04] <Reidms-420R> well- I guess I will give apache2 a try then
[01:22:37] <delewis> Sun's Web Server still beats Apache 2.x performance-wise for several benchmarks I've done
[01:22:48] <Reidms-420R> my linux experience with apache2 was hell
[01:23:09] <delewis> sometimes by as much as 50% (the metrics being the number of requests handled/second and the throughput)
[01:23:40] <henriknj> everything beats apache now days
[01:24:07] <steleman> delewis: the apache2 configuration files are different depending on apache2 version
[01:24:12] <steleman> 2.0.x is different than 2.2.x
[01:24:42] <delewis> I didn't think there was a huge difference between them, but I haven't setup Apache 2.2.x that often.
[01:24:57] <steleman> delewis: yah by default they are quite different
[01:25:02] <delewis> interesting.
[01:25:12] <steleman> which is kind of strange but that's the way it is
[01:25:36] <delewis> well, Sun's Web Server configuration files change pretty often, too.
[01:25:49] <delewis> the latest version completely re-defined what magnus.conf and obj.conf are used for.
[01:26:02] <steleman> i dont really know what's better: the giant one config file or what they've done now
[01:26:21] <delewis> well, you could always split it up and that's what I did for virtual hosts.
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[01:26:32] <delewis> I'd have a separate config file that would be included in the giant config file for each vhost.
[01:26:52] <steleman> yah but even without virtual hosts, the 2.2.x configuration schema is different than 2.0.x
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[01:28:51] <steleman> it gets very messy when you add mod_security
[01:29:04] <steleman> so i can see this point of splitting it up
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[01:33:17] <twincest> if port_send is MT-Level "Safe", does that mean i can call it from a signal handler?
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[01:34:59] <delewis> that means its re-entrant, so yes.
[01:35:33] <dlg> no, reentrant means its thread safe
[01:35:50] <twincest> right, there's mt-safe and async-signal-safe..
[01:35:51] <delewis> I thought that's what MT-Level was
[01:36:02] <delewis> oh, I see.
[01:36:32] <twincest> i thought Safe included async-signal-safe, but apparently it doesn't..
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[01:45:35] <dlg> theres very little you can do safely in a signal handler
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[01:46:03] <dlg> the safest is to set a flag and then deal with it in your program loop
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[02:45:51] <noyb> anybody else having trouble with smpatch or updatemanager not able to register consistantly?  Works on T2K, not on V490.  Strange.
[02:46:44] <noyb> they're installed from the same 11/06 image with jumpstart.  if that helps.
[02:50:31] <Doc> SUC's to be you...
[02:50:38] <noyb> heh
[02:50:56] <noyb> What's up Doc?
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[02:52:17] <Doc> sun, clouds
[02:53:21] <freakazoid0223> I hate that rabbit
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[02:56:10] <Doc> cool.. my sunsolve acct still works
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[03:23:23] <Tpenta> 'ello glynn
[03:23:30] <Tpenta> did jamesE get back to you?
[03:23:42] <Gman> hey Tpenta
[03:23:45] <Gman> um, just checking now
[03:24:23] <Doc> i hear james as a new job?
[03:25:02] <Tpenta> yes he does
[03:25:07] <Gman> Tpenta, nope :(
[03:25:10] <Reidms-420R> Would anyone here recommend godaddy.com?
[03:25:13] <Tpenta> we will be looking for a new solaris product manager for aus
[03:25:29] <Doc> solaris, or systems?
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[03:26:51] <Doc> the sun.com.au jobs page is broken, and has been for about... ohh..  4 years?
[03:32:30] * jamesd this james got a new job...
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[03:32:43] <sahafeez> i am just using them for dns
[03:33:14] <coffman> is the sunray 270 eol soon?
[03:33:59] <coffman> 870$ is quite expensive for a 17" tft with a sunray in it
[03:34:25] * Gman wishes it was easier to create openoffice templates
[03:39:19] <nrubsig> Gman: ping!
[03:39:26] <Gman> pong
[03:39:48] <nrubsig> Gman: any suggestions for http://opensolaris.org/os/project/shell/shellstyle/ before I post the URL to opensolaris-code@ for discussion ?
[03:40:58] <Gman> get rid of the highlighting?
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[03:41:50] <nrubsig> Gman: which highlighting ?
[03:42:10] <Gman> the red/yellow/green
[03:42:42] <Doc> the SunRay 170 and 270 have always been excessively expensive
[03:43:04] <Doc> much cheaper to buy a SR2 and just a standard Sun (or other) LCD
[03:43:30] <nrubsig> Gman: that are "tags" which indicate which shell type or scenario is affected, e.g. "ksh88" for old ksh, "ksh" for both ksh88+ksh93, "ksh93" for ksh93, "perf" for perforance issues, "i18n" for i18n issues etc.
[03:43:31] <coffman> *sigh*
[03:44:05] <Gman> nrubsig, they look stupid imo
[03:44:08] <coffman> Doc: is there a way to use sunray for acounting stuff, billing for use time etc?
[03:44:27] <Doc> not out of the box, but it wouldnt be hard to set something up
[03:45:32] <Gman> nrubsig, i'd possibly merge the 2nd table of contents with the first one
[03:45:35] <Gman> having 2 seems distracting
[03:46:47] * nrubsig curses the XSLT DocBook stylesheets
[03:47:07] <coffman> Doc: we got our own system for internet cafe management and we are looking in to using sunray for a future deployment
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[03:54:18] <nrubsig> Gman: please reload. Better ?
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[03:57:27] <quenell1> I need help understanding trapstat output
[03:59:50] <Gman> nrubsig, yeah, better
[03:59:57] <Gman> nrubsig, though you might want to number sections
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[04:04:09] <Reidms-420R> jamesd You were asking about solaris on mactel once correct?
[04:04:43] <jamesd> no,  i dont own any mactel boxes or an apple box of any kind currently
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[04:05:59] <tsp> Is there a bug in opensolaris samba I should know about? It crashes everytime I try to create a file on B66
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[04:07:25] <GeneralDelta> Hello all!  :-)
[04:09:13] <GeneralDelta> I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2.  Is there a way to specify that you would like the 32-bit version of Solaris installed instead of the 64-Bit?
[04:09:39] <Tpenta> you get both but you can decide which to boot
[04:09:41] <nrubsig> quenell1: ping!
[04:09:46] <nrubsig> quenell1: still around ?
[04:09:55] <GeneralDelta> how do you do that?
[04:10:08] <Tpenta> you modify the grub boot params
[04:10:13] <quenell1> still here, but I have to see about my GLD device
[04:10:30] <GeneralDelta> :-(  I don't know how to do that....  Is it easy?
[04:10:33] <Tpenta> select the boot env that you want, then hit 'e' to edit
[04:10:49] <coffman> GeneralDelta: solaris installs both, 32 bit and 64 bit versions of the software, after the install it will boot in 64 bit but you can then edit grub to wich kernel you like
[04:10:50] <Tpenta> you need to remive the $ISA from two of the items
[04:11:05] <quenell1> intrstat shows me 'glm#1' and 'glm#2' etc.  I have a GLM device.  But 'glm' doesn't show up in prtconf.  How do I figure out what 'glm#1' versus 'glm#2' is?  Besides prtconf how do I print out my devices and their attached drivers?
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[04:11:36] <quenell1> I know GLM is a dual-gigabit-ethernet-scsi combined card.
[04:11:39] <coffman> GeneralDelta: while on linux 64 bit is still a pita, on solaris it works quite nice, even in 64 bit with 32bit apps it works seemsless
[04:11:42] <nrubsig> Who is Dale Sears ?
[04:11:52] <GeneralDelta> Mostly
[04:12:11] <GeneralDelta> But I'm trying to get Kqemu to work with a 32-bit OS
[04:12:17] <tsp> ok... is there a way I can upgrade my samba on solaris? I can compile it, but where should I put it so smf can find it
[04:12:50] <GeneralDelta> and the documentation states that you have to have host kernel = kqemu installed = guest kernel
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[04:13:42] <GeneralDelta> thus I am trying to get it work boot in 32-mit
[04:13:44] <GeneralDelta> bit
[04:13:59] <Gman> nrubsig, noyb
[04:14:06] <noyb> yes
[04:14:32] <noyb> Gman: did you catch my mail?  :)
[04:14:40] <Gman> oh?
[04:15:04] <noyb> I sent one re: that url with the shellstyle highlights
[04:15:14] <coffman> GeneralDelta: you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:15:17] * Gman hasn't been very good with mail recently
[04:15:20] <noyb> I don't know the distribution of that address
[04:15:21] <Gman> noyb, which list?
[04:15:46] <noyb> shell dash discuss at opensolaris dot org
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[04:16:25] <coffman> GeneralDelta: priv messages are blocked on my nick since i dont own it
[04:16:52] <noyb> Gman: nrubsig,  aha!   I missed the "who is"
[04:17:45] <GeneralDelta> coffman: is that what it is when I open another channel?  (sorry)
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[04:18:02] <Gman> noyb, ahh, not on that list...fortunately
[04:18:05] * Gman is a proud bash user
[04:18:16] <coffman> GeneralDelta: its only in query
[04:18:38] <noyb> Gman: me too.  I'm a happy basher.
[04:19:07] <GeneralDelta> coffman: I have the grub list open
[04:19:30] <coffman> GeneralDelta: you want to replace kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix and module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive
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[04:22:00] <coffman> GeneralDelta: with kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot and module /platform/i86pc/boot_archive and ad under it kernel/unix
[04:22:17] <coffman> GeneralDelta: before you do that, backup the file
[04:22:36] <noyb> nrubsig: gotta go make some din-din...   but my .02 is that the strange colored words must go.  maybe you could collect the colored words together into sections and then eliminate the colored words.
[04:22:40] <coffman> GeneralDelta: if something goes wrong, just boot to single user and copy it back
[04:23:02] <nrubsig> noyb: what is "din din" ?
[04:23:14] <coffman> GeneralDelta: after the change you will have to reboot, with init 6
[04:23:14] <noyb> dinner.  food.
[04:23:20] <nrubsig> ah
[04:23:24] <noyb> grub, chow
[04:23:48] <coffman> GeneralDelta: reboot would not fit since it does not update the boot archive
[04:24:05] <nrubsig> noyb: there are already "sections" in the documents... the colored things are tags describing further properties of the entries...
[04:26:25] <GeneralDelta> coffman: what is the command to make it reboot in init 6?
[04:26:56] <coffman> GeneralDelta: "init 6" is reboot :P
[04:27:38] <coffman> GeneralDelta: "init 5" is power down, "init 6" reboot
[04:27:47] <GeneralDelta> cool!
[04:27:51] <GeneralDelta> what's init 3?
[04:28:58] <Stric> regular usage
[04:29:12] <Stric> who -a|grep run-level
[04:29:20] <GeneralDelta> thanks
[04:29:32] <coffman> GeneralDelta: you will not user init 3
[04:30:04] <GeneralDelta> Hmm, just thought I would ask because in SuSE alot of things tell you to use init 3
[04:30:17] <GeneralDelta> usually kills the X server
[04:30:31] <coffman> GeneralDelta: run level on solaris differ to linux
[04:30:55] <coffman> GeneralDelta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[04:31:04] <GeneralDelta> yes, I'm learning that.  Alot of the commands are simular, but there are many missing.  Like 'top'.
[04:31:10] <GeneralDelta> thank you!
[04:31:17] <Tpenta> use prstat instead of top
[04:31:26] <GeneralDelta> thanks
[04:31:37] <coffman> GeneralDelta: no need for top, prstat is your friend and its is much more better
[04:32:00] <GeneralDelta> guys really are awesome, it would take hours of searching for the info you guys are giving me!  :-)
[04:32:03] <coffman> there is ptree instead of pstree etc
[04:32:45] <coffman> i think there was a paper about migrating from linux to solaris
[04:33:07] <GeneralDelta> wow I would love to see it if anyone knows where it is.
[04:33:21] <coffman> ill check
[04:33:26] <GeneralDelta> The change takes some getting use to, but I really do love this OS.
[04:35:25] <coffman> GeneralDelta: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/sysadmin_guide.pdf
[04:35:56] <coffman> "Linux to Solaris Administrators Guide"
[04:35:56] <GeneralDelta> I am having some trouble making that GRUB change...  what I am seeing is this: #---------- ADDED BY BOOTADM - DO NOT EDIT ----------
[04:35:56] <GeneralDelta> title Solaris 10 11/06 s10x_u3wos_10 X86
[04:35:57] <GeneralDelta> root (hd0,0,a)
[04:35:57] <GeneralDelta> kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot
[04:35:57] <GeneralDelta> module /platform/i86pc/boot_archive
[04:35:58] <GeneralDelta> #---------------------END BOOTADM--------------------
[04:36:11] <GeneralDelta> sweet! thank you.
[04:36:50] <GeneralDelta> I'm guessing this is the part I edit
[04:36:57] <GeneralDelta> everything else is commented out
[04:37:11] <GeneralDelta> except for the failsafe entry
[04:37:25] <coffman> second
[04:37:32] <GeneralDelta> so I believe the line I edit is the kernel like
[04:37:34] <GeneralDelta> line
[04:38:33] <Tpenta> i think you need to remove i86pc/ from the kernel and module lines
[04:39:16] <GeneralDelta> that should be the directory where the kernel is?
[04:39:33] <Tpenta> actually no that doesnt look right
[04:39:50] <Tpenta> hmmm anyoen done this for s10 recently? it all changed in nv
[04:40:14] <twincest> what's he trying to do?
[04:40:39] <GeneralDelta> the only things I am seeing in /platform/ is i86pc and ncri86pc
[04:40:54] <GeneralDelta> boot 32-bit
[04:41:03] <twincest> kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/unix
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[04:42:56] <GeneralDelta> I don't see /platform/i86pc
[04:43:05] <GeneralDelta> I don't see /platform/i86pc/multiboot
[04:43:13] <GeneralDelta> sorry for the typo
[04:43:19] <twincest> unpossible
[04:43:34] <GeneralDelta> I see /platform/i86pc/kernel
[04:43:58] <twincest> ls -F /platform/i86pc
[04:44:00] <GeneralDelta> and I see /platform/i86pc/boot
[04:44:29] <GeneralDelta> those are the only to directories off of /platform/i86pc
[04:44:36] <twincest> there are no files?
[04:45:01] <GeneralDelta> k, will do...  (there are other files, just only those two sub-dirrectories)
[04:45:56] <GeneralDelta> the command did come bake with a " multiboot* "
[04:46:11] <twincest> so /platform/i86pc/multiboot does exist
[04:46:20] <GeneralDelta> what does the ' -F ' operand do?
[04:46:21] <twincest> (which it must, or you wouldn't be able to boot)
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[04:46:50] <coffman> back
[04:47:01] <GeneralDelta> k, I just thought it was a directory and not a file
[04:47:33] <coffman> GeneralDelta: you need to put kernel/unix behind multiboot
[04:47:42] <twincest> i told him that like 2 pages ago :P
[04:47:43] <GeneralDelta> k, so you are saying that all I need to do is replace the "kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot" with "kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/unix"
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[04:47:49] <twincest> yes
[04:48:10] <GeneralDelta> how about the module line
[04:48:20] <twincest> dont change it
[04:48:23] <GeneralDelta> is that good as is, or does it need to be changed as well?
[04:48:24] <GeneralDelta> k
[04:48:51] <Tpenta> coffman: yea that's righjt, its been a while since i had to do it to 10 :)
[04:49:09] <GeneralDelta> Thank you guys,  I'm going to try it now.  and I do have the file back up in case I FUBAR this.
[04:49:18] <Tpenta> good thinking :)
[04:49:21] <Tpenta> actually
[04:49:27] <coffman> i told him :P
[04:49:27] <Tpenta> why not make another boot line with the old args
[04:49:45] <coffman> yeah that would be the best
[04:49:54] <GeneralDelta> :)  but coffman told me too as well, so I can take full credit ;)
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[04:50:11] <GeneralDelta> k
[04:50:14] <GeneralDelta> I can do that
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[04:50:15] <twincest> why not type "boot kernel/unix" at the boot prompt?  oh wait... the new better boot system couldn't possibly be that simple :)
[04:50:30] <GeneralDelta> Huh?
[04:50:57] <GeneralDelta> You lost me
[04:51:07] <GeneralDelta> can you do that, or can you not do that
[04:51:13] <greyhat> msg nickserv identify 3133743v4
[04:51:14] <GeneralDelta> or could you use to do that?
[04:51:17] <greyhat> opp :S
[04:51:21] <GeneralDelta> LOL
[04:51:27] <GeneralDelta> I saw that ;-)
[04:51:28] <twincest> i was describing how you could do it under the pre-1/06 booting system
[04:51:35] <GeneralDelta> ah
[04:51:38] * greyhat chanching passwd :P
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[04:51:43] <GeneralDelta> I'm new, so I miss those things
[04:51:56] <GeneralDelta> good idea greyhat :)
[04:52:33] <greyhat> :P
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[04:53:25] <coffman> its so cool to be back at school, i now have the sommer off :P
[04:53:50] <coffman> but i need a job badly :(
[04:53:52] <GeneralDelta> here comes the moment of thush ;-)
[04:53:59] <GeneralDelta> truth^
[04:54:08] <Reidms-420R> Anyone know how to add my server to my domain? godaddy dumbed it down too much
[04:54:18] <GeneralDelta> I just hope it's not 'thush' ;-)
[04:54:19] <twincest> Jul  6 23:45:48 yarrow elfexec: [ID 991571 kern.warning] WARNING: elfcore: core dump failed for process 9343; address space is changing
[04:54:23] <twincest> what does that mean?
[04:55:10] <Reidms-420R> core dumps when there are seg faults
[04:55:11] <GeneralDelta> So how do you check what kernel was loaded?
[04:55:26] <twincest> GeneralDelta: it will say "32-bit" or "64-bit" when it boots
[04:55:37] <nrubsig> twincest: is that a multothreaded application which crashed ?
[04:55:42] <twincest> nrubsig: yes
[04:55:45] <nrubsig> noyb: see my reply
[04:55:49] <GeneralDelta> hmm... must have missed it.  Is there a command?
[04:55:54] <twincest> GeneralDelta: "isainfo"
[04:56:05] <nrubsig> twincest: maybe one thread dumped core and another one was still alive...
[04:56:10] <twincest> GeneralDelta: if it says "amd64 i386" then it's 64-bit.  if it just says i386, then it's 32-bit
[04:56:27] <twincest> nrubsig: that's odd.  doesn't such a fault stop all lwps?
[04:56:32] <GeneralDelta> thanks for the explination
[04:56:37] <GeneralDelta> :)
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[04:57:26] <nrubsig> twincest: no.
[04:57:31] <twincest> hm.  ok
[04:57:32] <gns> [help reqd]: I am building a SVR4 package using pkgtool. Incase there are errors at the final package creation level (file/dir paths), I want to correct these in the spec file and issue command to pkgtool to pick the build results and try packaging instead of starting from source code. How do I do this?
[04:57:36] <twincest> why not :)
[04:57:49] <GeneralDelta> yep 32-bit!  And WOW are things a lot better!!!!  Althese weird display artifacts are gone!  :_D
[04:57:52] <GeneralDelta> :-D
[04:57:57] <nrubsig> twincest: for example mozilla uses a seperate thread to dump a backtrace when one main one crashes.
[04:58:09] <nrubsig> noyb: see my reply.
[05:00:12] <GeneralDelta> Thank all of you who helps me, special thanks to coffman and twincest
[05:01:01] <GeneralDelta> helped (apparently I need help typing too! ;-)  )
[05:04:00] <twincest> this is our tech's excuse for buying an iphone: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brionv/743718862/
[05:04:09] <axisys> i have a 4500 that rebooted .. but no logs.. is there a way to collect the console log and save it some where in the system while reboots.. no data it crash dir
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[05:05:20] <coffman> twincest: heh
[05:05:39] <coffman> i will never ever buy a iphone
[05:06:18] <GeneralDelta> yeah, not with the reviews that I have been reading
[05:06:31] <coffman> the htc's look better, and even if they come with windows mobile, they are more open then the iphones
[05:07:41] <GeneralDelta> eh, I would take closed unix OS X over semi-open Windows every day of the week and twice on Sunday
[05:07:52] <twincest> You can configure up to 252 disk partitions in a file system. < that's a weird limit
[05:08:13] <GeneralDelta> I just don't like all the review that are reporting how shitting the reception is
[05:08:15] <gns> [pkg help]: Anyone here familiar with pkgtool/pkgbuild utilities ?
[05:08:42] <axisys> can i have `*.err;kern.warning;auth.err;daemon.err' point to a file to collect console log?
[05:09:05] <axisys> so when it reboots i can see what happend
[05:09:14] <axisys> when there is no crash log
[05:09:25] <greyhat> is out there any opensolaris handbook to download?
[05:10:26] <coffman> there are a couple of papers
[05:11:11] <coffman> greyhat: posted this earlier http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/sysadmin_guide.pdf , its a general solaris paper, but quite nice since it aims at linux conversion
[05:11:43] <greyhat> coffman ahhh let me take a look :) thanks
[05:12:28] <coffman> GeneralDelta: i will switch to windows on my desktop, i need something that works atm, solaris is nice at a server or worktstation but it sucks on laptops
[05:14:13] <gns> axisys: I believe it is possible using syslog.conf.  Be sure to point to a file in a partition that is available when the system starts coming up (no user homes)
[05:15:16] <GeneralDelta> Coffman: thats why I also own a Mac.  ;-)
[05:15:51] <GeneralDelta> Though I am running Windows, but in a VMWare on my SuSE box.  ;-)
[05:16:02] <GeneralDelta> For uTorrent
[05:16:07] <GeneralDelta> lol
[05:16:33] <GeneralDelta> I haven't found a unix/linux Torrent client I like as much
[05:16:43] <axisys> gns: can it be a svm partition? probably shouldnt.
[05:17:20] <gns> axisys: The messages that you can get via /etc/syslog.conf are already in the /var/adm/messages.  Not all console messages will be available.
[05:17:20] <coffman> GeneralDelta: for torrent its all crap, while on linux you have rtorrent it still sucks, eats memory etc
[05:17:33] <gns> axisys: If you need the console messages, you can try accessing the console via tip command from another system(serial port) after starting recording using script command.
[05:17:38] <coffman> GeneralDelta: ill run utorrent in wine :P
[05:18:19] <coffman> GeneralDelta: i dont like macs, had to do alot with "creative" people in my old job...
[05:19:33] <gns> axisys: this ensures all the messages are logged onto a file on the system from where you are accessing your system.
[05:19:35] <axisys> gns: i do have console access
[05:19:44] <axisys> thru lightwave
[05:19:47] <GeneralDelta> I really haven't had a lot of worries with uTorrent.  I have seen any memory leaks, it's VERY light weight, while retaining good use ability and POWERFUL options.  Like being about to set a schedular that will throttle it down during set parts of the day.
[05:19:52] <axisys> which does not collect console logs
[05:20:14] <GeneralDelta> I have liked Macs every since OS X was released
[05:20:23] <GeneralDelta> because I like NextSTEP
[05:20:42] <GeneralDelta> and OS X is just the newest version of NextSTEP
[05:20:51] <axisys> gns: so u r saying if i have a tip connection from neighbor sun system then i could collect the log
[05:21:29] <coffman> utorrent is such a greate pice of software, one of the rare pices that just run and dont use up your system power
[05:21:30] <axisys> gns: i dont get at what point a system that voluntarily rebooted, how will it push the console log using script
[05:21:32] <GeneralDelta> and I like the Objective-C language and the supplied libraries and programming tools on NextSTEP/OS X
[05:22:21] <gns> axisys: Yes.
[05:22:58] <GeneralDelta> yes, uTorrent is a rear find.  It written by people who take their piracy seriously! ;-)
[05:23:08] <gns> axisys: I presume, you need the logs when you are manually administering the system and not for monitoring on an ongoing basis.
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[05:23:17] <GeneralDelta> I want to port it
[05:23:52] <axisys> gns: i want the console log should the system rebooted with an unknown reason
[05:24:55] <axisys> gns: my 4500 rebooted but there is no crash log and no indication in messages file of the cause.. no console log in the console server lightwave
[05:25:15] <axisys> looking for anyway to catch the console log
[05:25:59] <coffman> GeneralDelta: no way, its heavily basd on win apis etc
[05:27:21] <GeneralDelta> Yeah, it would be a lot of effort.  What I would really like is to have access to Bit-on-Wheels' source code
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[05:28:10] <GeneralDelta> What there is of it is well written.  I just needs some brushing up around the edges and it would be just as good as uTorrent, but it would be on the Mac :)
[05:28:31] <coffman> GeneralDelta: utorrent is also purchased by bittorent
[05:28:44] <GeneralDelta> and you could put it on Linux relatively easy.
[05:28:55] <gns> axisys: For the already happened reboot, you can check dmesg output for to check for any abnormality that is logged. You will get those messages that get collected after syslog daemon starts up.
[05:29:10] <GeneralDelta> Huh, really?  I though Bit-Torrent was open-source
[05:29:18] <GeneralDelta> thought
[05:29:19] <axisys> gns: if i am lucky..
[05:29:36] <axisys> gns: this time all I got is the ctrl-M character
[05:29:49] <coffman> GeneralDelta: yes and no, they now doing the big bussines stuff
[05:30:08] <GeneralDelta> cool, good for them
[05:30:35] <GeneralDelta> I love it when piracy tools find ligament usages in the free market
[05:30:50] <GeneralDelta> make it harder on all those legal types
[05:30:56] <GeneralDelta> ;-)
[05:31:17] <gns> axisys: As far setting up a mechanism to collect consoles messages from start of boot is concerned, I cant help here. Am not a sysad and my knowhow ends here.
[05:31:40] <coffman> GeneralDelta: bittorrent is not a piracy tool
[05:31:54] <gns> axisys: I can give some broad hints though that you may want to consider => alom is one option you should check if it has any facility for this.
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[05:32:10] <coffman> its like claiming that food helps terrorists
[05:32:31] <GeneralDelta> that's true... If fact it is a ingenious dynamic load balancing tool
[05:32:44] <GeneralDelta> well it does
[05:32:47] <g4lt-U60> coffman, it does.  it contains electrolytes that plants crave ;P
[05:33:05] <GeneralDelta> You can't argue that if there wasn't food that there wouldn't be terrorist!  ;-)
[05:33:17] <GeneralDelta> lol
[05:34:13] <GeneralDelta> However, I would wager that only half of the Bit Torrent traffic on the net is legit
[05:34:37] <GeneralDelta> and I think that is a very generous estimate.
[05:34:44] <axisys> gns: E 4500 does not have alom, so u mean install one?
[05:36:44] <GeneralDelta> My only point is that the more I see Bit Torrent used for legitimate the happier I am.  :)
[05:37:04] <GeneralDelta> legitimate reasons I meant to type
[05:37:10] <gns> axisys: First, you should check if it supports setting up of alom, if so go ahead and set it up. You should also anyway check if alom has any facility to configure log collection. Even otherwise, it will make it quite convenient for you to administer the systems via LAN if alom can be setup.
[05:37:28] <coffman> the last "terror" thing in england make me think that there is a special olympic for terrorists going on
[05:37:36] <coffman> how stupid can they be?
[05:39:18] <g4lt-U60> well they were hired by bush and blair, they can't be too smart
[05:40:53] <coffman> i should do some website on it
[05:41:10] <coffman> "terror consulting"
[05:41:25] <coffman> "how to do it right, learn it in six weeks"
[05:42:37] <coffman> in this days you have to watch out if you buy stuff for home improvement
[05:43:13] <coffman> like buying a bottle fo gas, some nails and put that with your cell phone in your car
[05:43:29] <coffman> "its a bomb its a bomb"
[05:43:39] <coffman> gar
[05:44:42] <GeneralDelta> night, night everyone!
[05:44:53] <coffman> yeah
[05:44:55] <coffman> same here
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[05:46:43] <gns> axisys: Alom seems to support a command called consolehistory
[05:46:58] <gns> axisys: Check the link : http://www.filibeto.org/~aduritz/truetrue/jumpstart/ALOM1.5Help-en/cli/h_consolehistory.html
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[05:48:32] <gns> axisys: There are 2 buffers boot-log and run-log each with 64Kb of information
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[05:54:20] <axisys> gns: i still need to find out if i can install a alom card
[05:57:08] <axisys> i used consolehistory before.. i have used alom.. but problem was e4500
[05:57:15] <axisys> it has no shit
[05:59:00] <gns> axisys: Aah ! You are stuck with a system from pre-alom days.
[06:01:02] <gns> axisys: Beyond this, I am out of depth w.r.t sysad matters. Your next stopover should probably be comp.unix.solaris or sun support.
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[06:24:26] <lloy0076> My Gnome on b67 is segfault everything.
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[06:24:54] <lloy0076> err, well, if I run a gtk or gnome based program then I get segfaults.
[06:25:38] <lloy0076> First question: will Liveupgrade allow you to upgrade the current active root environment?
[06:25:48] <lloy0076> <-- I don't think it will but that could have been one of the silly things I've done
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[06:27:51] <palowoda> Only gtk apps seg fault?
[06:28:26] <palowoda> Check the install logs to see if all the packages got installed correct.
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[07:50:54] <WOP> hey the default shell in solaris is /bin/sh. should you really stick with that or is it common to change it to bash?
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[07:55:09] <g4lt-U60> wop my advice is NEVER change root's shell.  change your user shell
[07:56:05] <theRealballchalk> g4lt-U60: why?
[07:56:14] <theRealballchalk> why never
[07:57:13] <g4lt-U60> theRealballchalk, because IME changing root's shell is unsupportable because you can never assume taht shell scripts actually DTRT
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[08:05:27] <WOP> so basically. with that said as you should never change the root shell, i should really get to know the advanced things about sh shell
[08:05:41] <WOP> how different is it from bash as its an earlier version of it?
[08:06:41] <g4lt-U60> it's actually the original bourne shell, bot the bourne-again shell that you know of
[08:08:44] <theRealballchalk> my root shell is bash
[08:09:08] <WOP> yeah and i know bash decently well. can i use bash scripts most of the time in the original bourne shell? i think all i would have to do is change the top of the script "!#/bin/sh'
[08:09:30] <Tpenta> not a good assumption
[08:09:35] <Tpenta> bash has a lot of stuff in it that sh does not
[08:09:36] <WOP> kidna of a newb quesiton but ive always used bash with linux D:
[08:09:40] <WOP> finally trying solaris
[08:09:55] <WOP> yeah not a good assumption :P
[08:10:24] <WOP> will it cause problems though?
[08:10:57] <Tpenta> well you don't have to change your scripts to use something else, bash exists; but you will find that somethings you try on the command line wont work
[08:12:29] <WOP> ok
[08:13:24] <Tempt> Or just use bash for your scripts where you want to.
[08:13:29] <Tempt> And use bash for your shell
[08:13:40] <LeftWing> Indeed.
[08:13:58] <Tempt> And I believe that it is now considered "okay" to change root's shell, even if I'd never do it myself.
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[08:14:00] <WOP> one other question: solaris containers only can run other instances of solaris installations, not different OS's like VMware can correct?
[08:20:08] <estibi> WOP: correct
[08:20:28] <Tpenta> the exception being brandZ
[08:20:36] <Tpenta> which is a whole different thing ;)
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[08:27:13] <estibi> hmm, how to dump ZFS filesystem? with UFS i can use ufsdump, but what about ZFS ?
[08:32:43] <kohju> you can use 'zfs send.'
[08:33:32] <estibi> kohju: ok, thx
[08:35:11] <kohju> estibi: your welcome.
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[09:01:14] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm curious, how long does solaris take to boot in typical configurations?
[09:03:16] <g4lt-U60> five minutes more than you have time for, hence why most poeple don't reboot solaris often
[09:03:55] <blueandwhiteg3> It's normal to be excruciatingly long?
[09:04:58] <g4lt-U60> yes
[09:05:25] <blueandwhiteg3> is the gui login normally an excruciating delay? it seems like it starts and then sits
[09:06:14] <blueandwhiteg3> i'm new to solaris and trying to figure out what end is up here... there are weird issues i keep finding, and i'm trying to tell if the boot up process is one of them....
[09:08:06] <blueandwhiteg3> how does the gui delay after finishing with console work?
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[09:18:24] <emergo> can I just move my home dir from one pool to another (zfs). Just by doing zfs setmountpoint
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[09:23:22] <pfn> I wonder what testkwaq_a is... for some reason, my automounter tried to mount it, heh
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[09:27:28] <blueandwhiteg3> test quack! it's to find out if you have a good doctor or not!
[09:34:18] <emergo> can I move my home dir from one zpool to another ?
[09:37:54] <asyd> zfs send ?
[09:38:15] <emergo> no idea
[09:38:42] <emergo> thats for snapshot
[09:38:47] <emergo> I thought maybe
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[09:39:45] <emergo> 1. create new mountpoint on the new pool 2. unset the mountpouing
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[09:41:16] <nareshov> Hi, just wanted to know if nv-b67 can install fine on a primary partition right next to the windows primary partition peacefully?
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[09:43:01] <emergo> nareshov: I installed b-57 like that and vista didnt boot after it, but when I set the windows partition to be the boot partition and did repair from the vista dvd it starts fine
[09:44:31] <emergo> nv-b57 i guess ...
[09:45:55] <nareshov> setting the windows partition as boot partition? using fdisk? toggle bootable flag?
[09:48:34] <nareshov> one more thing
[09:48:56] <nareshov> I made a tank under linux through zfs-fuse, will I be able to access them in solaris too?
[09:49:02] <emergo> nareshov: thats what I had to do after I installed yes
[09:49:06] <emergo> not before
[09:49:31] <emergo> didnt do anything before installing, but vista wouldnt start
[09:50:31] <emergo> no ideea :-)
[09:50:36] <blueandwhiteg3> when you setup a raidz it will put efi labels on the drives, which borked my bios
[09:50:58] <blueandwhiteg3> i had to tell the bios not to look at those drives..... just having them connected when the bios scanned the volumes was enough to bork it
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[10:02:44] <palowoda> Borking bios and drives with zfs.  Now that is something I haven't run into on any of my systems.  Maybe a petition is in order for the hardware manufactures to stop borking.
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[10:13:28] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: yeah, it's a real issue
[10:14:01] <blueandwhiteg3> i thought i had a hardware failure, i couldn't get past the bios or even into the bios menu, even clearing the bios didn't help...
[10:14:25] <blueandwhiteg3> i had to physically disconnect the drives to get into the bios to disable the bios from looking at the drives
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[10:15:12] <palowoda> Well obvious get a new bios manufacture.
[10:18:43] <palowoda> Hmm the Robert Bork Bios.  l kind of like that name.
[10:22:15] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: You do have the Robert Bork Bios right?
[10:23:18] <blueandwhiteg3> a fabulous foxconn mobo!
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[10:23:31] <blueandwhiteg3> oh well, it's the least of my problems with this system
[10:24:19] <palowoda> Foxconn must have some kind of name to it's bios.  Unless you think it's called Foxconn bios.
[10:24:32] <blueandwhiteg3> Oh. Phoenix bios?
[10:24:47] <blueandwhiteg3> i could reboot my machine and check, but it would take 12 years to start up again....
[10:25:12] <palowoda> Wow I'm suprised Phoenix can't handle efi drives.
[10:25:30] <palowoda> They have worked for me in the past.
[10:25:46] <Tempt> I'm surprised BIOS still exists.
[10:25:51] <Tempt> Let it die, let it die.
[10:26:30] <palowoda> Tempt: Bios is never going away.  If you think openboot is going to take over dream on for the rest of your life. It's not going to happen.
[10:27:10] <blueandwhiteg3> they'll just keep fixing up the bios time and time again
[10:27:44] <Tempt> Yes, well.
[10:28:01] <Tempt> All it'll take is Microsoft announcing an end of support and a move to EFI and it'll happen.
[10:28:30] <palowoda> You mean Intel will tell MS when it will happen and that is now.
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[10:29:08] <palowoda> In fact that was yesterday.
[10:29:11] <blueandwhiteg3> That'll be a joy. Have you ever used an intel bios? they disable half the functionality you want. I can only imagine an EFI based machine
[10:29:27] <blueandwhiteg3> Well, wait, I don't have to imagine one... I've got one....
[10:29:47] <Tempt> I was surprised MS didn't try to kill BIOS with Vista.
[10:30:10] <blueandwhiteg3> MS doesn't really care. How does a BIOS really matter to them?
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[10:30:43] <blueandwhiteg3> They want to make money en masse.... sell piles of their licenses
[10:30:43] <palowoda> MS has nothing to do with the BIOS.  Intel is ruler.
[10:31:36] <Tempt> Easy. Use a new OS to push a BIOS replacement, and then use the BIOS replacement to ensure people pay up for a new OS instead of reusing their XP media.
[10:32:36] <palowoda> Tempt: Won't happen.  Buyers just find out which BIOS works with their OS and purchase machines based on that.
[10:32:52] <blueandwhiteg3> Perhaps they can integrate some great new DRM into the bios replacement
[10:33:16] <Tempt> That's the idea.
[10:33:27] <palowoda> It's all hope.
[10:33:33] <Tempt> Trusted Computing via BIOS or something.
[10:33:46] <Tempt> Must do a matching song and dance routine or no boot for you.
[10:34:05] <palowoda> Hey I got my machines running zfs what does it matter?
[10:34:28] <Tempt> If MS released the next OS requiring a certain boot environment, the motherboard vendors would roll it out instantly.
[10:34:39] <Tempt> As long as it doesn't drive their costs up, why should they care?
[10:35:28] <blueandwhiteg3> It's already a huge pain to use mobos with anything but windows.... drivers are very mixed and an endless hassle
[10:35:29] <palowoda> MS is busy selling and replacing a lot of the Xbox machines right now.  Bios is the last thing on their mind.
[10:35:59] <Tempt> Oh, give it a year or two.
[10:36:07] <Tempt> I'd say 32bit Windows has about 2 years left, tops.
[10:36:09] <palowoda> Five.
[10:36:46] <palowoda> Crap Tempt, MS isn't in the same market as Sun.
[10:36:48] <blueandwhiteg3> Yes, then MS can just lock their competition out!
[10:36:53] <blueandwhiteg3> "Sorry, no signed drivers for you!"
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[10:37:05] <Tempt> That's the ticket.
[10:38:06] <blueandwhiteg3> Apple hasn't yet even managed to make the iPhone work under Win64... hmm, isn't it interesting the iPhone competes directly with Windows Mobile devices?
[10:38:09] <palowoda> You know this may sound totally radical but the merger of Sun and MS would get my investment.
[10:38:37] <Tempt> It would be a powerful force.
[10:38:49] <Tempt> I don't know if Sun are quite ready for that sort of admission yet.
[10:38:54] <blueandwhiteg3> haha
[10:39:02] <Tempt> McNealy would explode.
[10:39:05] <palowoda> A powerhouse to be contended with.
[10:39:26] <palowoda> Ah McNealy is interested in $$$.
[10:39:41] <Tempt> I think McNealy has enough personal fortune to keep him happy.
[10:39:50] <Tempt> He won't ever lose his desire to shitstir though.
[10:39:59] <palowoda> Right so does Bill Gates.
[10:40:26] <Tempt> I think Bill has stepped away from Microsoft enough now not to care so much.
[10:40:33] <LuckyLuke> talking about fortune, a newspaper here in .it said Gates isn't the richest man on the world anymore...
[10:40:41] <palowoda> So did McNeally.
[10:40:45] <LuckyLuke> poor boy.
[10:41:04] <Tempt> Hmm.
[10:41:11] <Tempt> Full active directory support on Solaris
[10:41:14] <Tempt> Hmm.
[10:41:25] <Tempt> SQL server extensions ported to Sybase/Solaris.
[10:41:26] <Tempt> Hmm.
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[10:41:41] <palowoda> Keep dreaming of a Sun/MS merger.
[10:41:48] <Tempt> Windows BrandZ
[10:41:49] <Tempt> Hmm.
[10:41:54] <Tempt> There's some wins, I suppose.
[10:42:15] <palowoda> Good Lord, where talking about this on a OpenSolaris list.
[10:42:22] <LuckyLuke> dtrace win apps in BrandZ from solaris global zone? :)
[10:42:31] <cmihai> What is wrong with you people ;-)
[10:42:36] <palowoda> BrandZ is OEL'ed.
[10:42:42] <cmihai> Not that shit again.
[10:42:47] <blueandwhiteg3> apple's borrowing from sun..... zfs, dtrace, all coming under OS X soon
[10:42:53] <palowoda> Shit sticks.
[10:43:08] <LuckyLuke> yeah, that's how the opensource thing is supposed to work
[10:43:15] <Tempt> Rebuilding MacOS to run on top of Solaris instead of BSD. That'd be a win.
[10:43:36] <blueandwhiteg3> i wish sun would borrow from apple, little things like a system you don't want to murder out of the box
[10:43:45] <LuckyLuke> throwing away Mach alone would be a win.
[10:43:46] <palowoda> Rebuilding the Iphone to run on Solaris is the key.
[10:43:51] <Tempt> Who wants to murder Solaris out of the box?
[10:44:52] <Tempt> If Apple moved to a Solaris base for MacOS without screwing it up, I might even relent and stop ragging on Apple so much and give them another chance.
[10:45:01] <blueandwhiteg3> anybody who's not used it before?
[10:45:26] <blueandwhiteg3> mach has endless strange problems, i have to admit
[10:45:45] <Tempt> Nothing like a fresh install of Solaris.
[10:45:57] <Tempt> Feels like a blank canvas on which to create
[10:46:33] <LuckyLuke> yep, I'm going to install 'Canvas build 67' today :)
[10:46:41] <Tempt> hah.
[10:47:10] <Tempt> Install it, patch it, run my magic script and everything is happy.
[10:47:29] <palowoda> Damn, 'Canvas' sounds like a good OS name.
[10:47:42] <Tempt> Perhaps a good distro name?
[10:47:45] <LuckyLuke> wait, I'm a beginner, I'm just at the install phase. Dunno nothing about 'patch it' and 'magic script' :)
[10:47:49] <blueandwhiteg3> I think i'm going to end up doing that.... this system, despite my best efforts at not tweaking it out, seems to be tweaked out...
[10:48:36] <Tempt> Depends on what you mean by "tweak out"
[10:48:48] <palowoda> Nah, Canvas just sounds like a good OS name. Period.
[10:50:30] <Tempt> I wonder what the legalities of releasing a Solaris 10 "distro" are like.
[10:50:59] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: It seems that as soon as I fix one thing, another problem develops...the system takes about 30 minutes to log into gnome now
[10:51:08] <palowoda> The term "distro's" are so boring these days.
[10:51:13] <Tempt> blueandwhiteg3: What on *earth* are you doing to it?
[10:51:24] <Tempt> palowoda: By "distro" I mean a flash archive ready-to-go.
[10:51:47] <palowoda> Huh, flash as in flash vmware?
[10:52:02] <palowoda> Images?
[10:52:15] <Tempt> flash archive.
[10:52:16] <Tempt> flar.
[10:52:20] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: Nothing beyond setting up a zpool, changing my shell to bash, plug a few very simple apps from pkg-get, and trying to share the zpool over nfs
[10:52:31] <Tempt> Sun's deployment stuff. Basically image up your install and install from it.
[10:52:35] <blueandwhiteg3> I mistakenly *thought* it would be simple
[10:52:36] <palowoda> Like Openboot or a BIOS could boot a flare.
[10:52:53] <Tempt> blueandwhiteg3: That shouldn't break GNOME.
[10:53:08] <Tempt> palowoda: You use a CD (for example) and boot it up. Then you install the flash archive.
[10:53:29] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: It's not quite broken, it just takes an eternity to come up.
[10:53:36] <palowoda> Tempt: But Sun didn't think of that.
[10:53:49] <Tempt> palowoda: Huh?
[10:54:00] <LuckyLuke> why use gnome when you have screen and bash? and screen comes up faster...
[10:54:01] <Tempt> palowoda: Boot from a standard Solaris CD and it asks you if you want to do a flash install
[10:54:11] <palowoda> Tempt: Ok when will it be delivered as a product?
[10:54:23] <Tempt> palowoda: You can grab it from tape, CD, http, nfs ...
[10:54:28] <Tempt> palowoda: Solaris 8 had it.
[10:54:47] <palowoda> Good bring it to market.
[10:55:11] <palowoda> Oh wait the market doesn't understand.
[10:55:21] <Tempt> palowoda: What do you mean by "bring it to market"?
[10:55:41] <Tempt> palowoda: This stuff has been around for *years*, is well documented and used in just about every large Solaris shop
[10:56:08] <palowoda> Ok Solaris shop, I get it now.
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[10:56:37] <Tempt> palowoda: The documentation is fine, and a lot of people made noise about it when it was reasonably new, but it's just an established feature now.
[10:57:16] <Fish> hello
[10:57:16] <Tempt> palowoda: At a previous employer, we had a server set up where you'd fill in the details for an install and it'd cough up a .iso for you to stick in the machine and type boot cdrom
[10:57:42] <Tempt> palowoda: Partitioning, networks, install the right image, mirror the disks, add some default users, completely automated.
[10:57:55] <blueandwhiteg3> this weekend's project will be a fresh re-install of solaris, at which point i will return and hope that "mount_nfs: bad MNT RPC: RPC: Timed out" errors all go away magcially
[10:58:29] <Tempt> blueandwhiteg3: This sort of thing shouldn't be happening. You need to chase down the details and either fix the install problem or get enough information to raise bugs properly.
[10:59:00] <palowoda> Tempt: And this pervious employer has propagated this throughout the Solaris industry?
[11:00:18] <Tempt> palowoda: No, they didn't hand their internal builds around. They wouldn't be useful outside that shop anyway.
[11:00:32] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: Every time I try and figure something out, the blame game starts. It's the NIC. It's the client. It's the cable. It's the <insert random thing where there is no real evidence to support it and it is nearly impossible to properly and fully test>. Most people seem more interested in blaming something than resolving anything, and I just don't *know* solaris well enough yet.
[11:00:35] <Tempt> What I'm saying is this stuff is pretty easy.
[11:00:51] <Tempt> Check the flarcreate manpage.
[11:01:18] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: You seem to be hopelessly lost.
[11:01:45] <Tempt> blueandwhiteg3: Blaming the client can be a valid response with NFS problems.
[11:02:20] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: Yes, sometimes it is. I'm going to freshen everything up, check the drive out, then re-visit all this.
[11:02:43] <palowoda> Though I'd admit that blueandwhiteg3 can type fast.
[11:02:50] <blueandwhiteg3> hahaha
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[11:03:47] <blueandwhiteg3> zpool, zfs, raid-z... it was all fabulous, the setup process, the paradigms developed.. what's killed me so far is the stuff on the edges, the very last thing i'd ever imagined would be a problem...
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[11:04:31] <palowoda> You imagine too much.  You just don't seem to have too much hardware experinece.
[11:04:43] <blueandwhiteg3> what type of hardware?
[11:04:50] <Tempt> I mean, if you're having problems with Solaris server, Linux client I'd say you're pretty much in for a world of hurt.
[11:04:53] <palowoda> How much have you spent?
[11:05:11] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: This is an elaborate personal file server, basically....
[11:05:29] <palowoda> In otherwords you don't have that much money?
[11:05:46] <blueandwhiteg3> Not for this project
[11:05:49] <Tempt> What if he spend $30,000 on his hardware?
[11:05:52] <palowoda> Figures.
[11:05:59] <Tempt> Still have the same OS incompatibility problems.
[11:06:12] <blueandwhiteg3> There is nothing technically wrong with this hardware, save for perhaps the BIOS and EFI issue, but that is solved.
[11:06:52] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: So all problems are solved now?
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[11:07:26] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda, I simply disabled it scanning the SATA busses... problem solved!
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[11:08:03] <blueandwhiteg3> sure, that means i can't boot from any of the RAID-Z'd drives, but, oh wait, you couldn't anyway! not a big loss
[11:08:20] <palowoda> You disabled scanning with the SATA bus with a Pheniox Bios?
[11:08:28] <Tempt> Living in my little SPARC world I don't see these problems.
[11:08:46] <palowoda> Tempt: Time to open your mind.
[11:09:02] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: More specifically, I disabled scanning beyond the boot drive. No more problems with EFI labels.
[11:09:51] <Tempt> palowoda: Why? Until I have to deal with x86 I'm happy giving it a miss.
[11:10:00] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: What Phenoxi BIOS rev and option is this your talking about?
[11:10:31] <palowoda> Tempt: Your worth more if you can deal with it.
[11:10:58] <Tempt> palowoda: I'm not so sure about that.
[11:11:21] <palowoda> Tempt vs Bill Gates, got it.
[11:11:28] <Tempt> palowoda: At least for the local market. I haven't seen any Sol x86 boxes in production except for a couple of nameservers I stood up once.
[11:11:43] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I don't know the version. I can get in there... tomorrow... if you really are curious. Basically, you have a list of drives to scan / not scan... wasn't intuitive when i looked at the labels, but once setup, it's rock solid
[11:11:58] <blueandwhiteg3> by default, all drives are set to scan
[11:12:11] <blueandwhiteg3> you can tweak it drive by drive, and there are a few bulk options too
[11:12:28] <Tempt> I pretty much gave up on Solx86 when they moved to grub.
[11:13:00] <blueandwhiteg3> that's what's impressive here, usually i'm fighting with some stupid driver problem using x86 commodity hardware, but this time it's all near perfect
[11:13:03] <palowoda> Hell, when they moved to Grub it actually started working better.
[11:13:20] <Tempt> Not at first.
[11:13:25] <blueandwhiteg3> only slight drive issue was that i had to grab the latest nvidia drivers
[11:13:27] <palowoda> Sun sells commodity hardware.
[11:13:34] <Tempt> Perhaps now, but not for a long time.
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[11:15:37] <palowoda> blueandwhateg3: Which Nvidia driver version are you using?
[11:15:38] <Tempt> BANG: You can't mirror with disksuite.
[11:15:42] <blueandwhiteg3> Sun, Apple.... everybody is bowing to the x86 overlords
[11:15:52] <Tempt> BANG: Every tiem a machine doesn't get a clean shutdown it requires manual intervention to boot again
[11:16:07] <Tempt> BANG: Remove CD-ROM and watch grub complain about not being able to enumerate devices.
[11:16:12] <Tempt> The whole thing was a hassle.
[11:16:25] <palowoda> Too some right?
[11:16:51] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: The nvidia drivers that shipped with sxce67 didn't work right. Updating to the latest from the nvidia site as of wednesday solved the problem, perfectly.
[11:16:57] <Tempt> pretty much killed an x86 deployment we were considering.
[11:17:15] <palowoda> Well which version of Nvidia?
[11:17:20] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm surprised grub was such a problem, given how commonly it is used with *nix
[11:17:34] <blueandwhiteg3> I don't know the version number of the software. The GPU is the 6150.
[11:17:57] <palowoda> 6150 of Nvidia?
[11:18:35] <palowoda> WTF.
[11:18:51] <blueandwhiteg3> GeForce 6150
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[11:20:31] <coffman> palowoda: why wtf?
[11:20:32] <Tempt> Hmm
[11:20:36] <blueandwhiteg3> The nVidia drivers work great, once updated. All resolutions detected perfectly. Little control panel with extra image adjustment / filtering options that are totally GPU based. Way more than ample for a glorified NAS....
[11:20:39] <Tempt> i do have a spare sempron 2800 machine here.
[11:20:49] <Tempt> Perhaps I should fire it up, put a modern x86 release on it.
[11:20:54] <coffman> palowoda: that 6150 is very comon since its onboard
[11:21:02] <palowoda> A GeForce 6150, now why is anyone concerned about that?
[11:21:18] <blueandwhiteg3> I don't see the issue?
[11:21:24] <palowoda> You going to use if for anything serious?
[11:21:31] <Tempt> Nope.
[11:21:38] <blueandwhiteg3> i told you it's a glorified NAS, for personal use.
[11:21:47] <palowoda> Buy a real video card.
[11:21:53] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: why?
[11:22:00] <Tempt> If it's just a NAS, why does it need flashy video?
[11:22:03] <palowoda> Oh don't buy anything than.
[11:22:09] <Tempt> In fact, for a NAS I'd probably not bother booting into X
[11:22:14] <palowoda> Use the serial port
[11:22:24] <coffman> palowoda: the 6150 is a fine gpu for a desktop
[11:22:31] <palowoda> BS.
[11:22:39] <Tempt> If it'll come up into text mode that's probably good enough.
[11:22:47] <blueandwhiteg3> yeah
[11:22:51] <blueandwhiteg3> this does more than that
[11:23:05] <blueandwhiteg3> integrated = crappy for games = low power + cheap
[11:23:28] <coffman> the 6150 even comes with dvii
[11:23:31] <blueandwhiteg3> if you don't do 3D, i don't see any real way integrated graphics could be a problem
[11:23:35] <palowoda> Everybody back to learning about buying hardware.
[11:23:37] <blueandwhiteg3> yeah, i've got vga and dvi out
[11:23:56] <coffman> palowoda: yeah tell me something lol
[11:24:33] <palowoda> DVI and 6150 means your screwed.
[11:24:54] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: i'm using vga at the moment and it's perfect. i don't imagine i'll ever use DVI....
[11:25:11] <palowoda> Hey I have an idea how about 6150 and HDMI.
[11:25:41] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: there's full nvidia drivers for that which have pretty exhaustive and intitive options
[11:25:55] <blueandwhiteg3> now, the bigger question is why you want to hook up your server to your tv!
[11:26:42] <palowoda> Actually I have used my Solaris server on a 32 inch LCD TV.  But I tend to use the LCD projector.
[11:26:56] <blueandwhiteg3> you didn't answer the why yet...
[11:27:09] <palowoda> Watch DVD's.
[11:27:41] <coffman> palowoda: your display does not have dvi? your screwed!
[11:28:18] <Tempt> Mmm
[11:28:21] <blueandwhiteg3> hmm. i considered using the solaris box to do other things, but then i realized the headache of getting anything to build under solaris... maybe not anything, but the things i wanted
[11:28:21] <Tempt> Projectors.
[11:28:22] <palowoda> Everything has DVI these days.  I guess EBay scrap pile is lacking.
[11:28:34] <Tempt> Even my SPARC workstations have DVI.
[11:28:55] <cmihai> Hell, my 6 year old SPARC workstation has DVI only.
[11:29:00] <cmihai> Erm
[11:29:01] <cmihai> Power ;P
[11:29:22] <palowoda> Lets face it vga is long dead.
[11:29:31] <blueandwhiteg3> DVI is a nice protocol, really. I just wish for the 'next gen' they'd gone optical.
[11:29:34] <cmihai> There's simple DVI2VGA adapters
[11:29:45] <palowoda> HDMI.
[11:29:46] <cmihai> No need for VGA output on cards.
[11:29:58] <palowoda> Oh shit DRM.
[11:30:19] <blueandwhiteg3> DVI->VGA adapters are usually using the VGA signal already carried by DVI-I
[11:30:49] <blueandwhiteg3> HDMI doesn't have DRM unless you get a computer that activates it
[11:30:58] <palowoda> Those adaptors cost like 10.00.  I can't afford it.
[11:31:16] <cmihai> 10$?
[11:31:27] <palowoda> The price of a U60.
[11:31:27] <cmihai> It's like 2$
[11:31:35] <cmihai> I got mine free with the video cards.
[11:31:38] <blueandwhiteg3> Have you ever fought with the complex timings involved with DVI/HDMI? It's a nightmare. We need serial optical video displays.
[11:32:49] <blueandwhiteg3> not to mention issues with cable length, rf interference....
[11:33:01] <palowoda> Petuwee, I just watch DVD's on Solaris no the less.
[11:33:19] <palowoda> s/no/none
[11:33:52] <blueandwhiteg3> Despite the fact that DVI is digital, the exact same logical interface is presented... timings, EDID information, etc. all work the same... HDMI, DVI, VGA
[11:34:40] <palowoda> Well than get a real Nvidia card blueandwhiteg3, stop screwing around with crap.
[11:34:44] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I believe you. I was thinking of turning the solaris box into a part time encoding slave, but then i reviewed the sheer amount of work required to build all the codecs and encoding software
[11:35:07] <Tempt> Blastwave probably will cover you for that.
[11:35:12] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: Nope.
[11:35:14] <palowoda> Hey I watch MS codec's on Solaris.
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[11:35:27] <Tempt> What codec do you need?
[11:35:59] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I'm not complaining about my card. I'm talking generally about video interfaces.
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[11:36:15] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: x264 (very recent svn) + mencoder (also recent svn)
[11:36:21] <blueandwhiteg3> + faac
[11:36:24] <blueandwhiteg3> at the very least
[11:36:44] <palowoda> Err that is one only video card (embedded) your have?
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[11:37:07] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: in the solaris machine, yes
[11:37:08] <Tempt> Aah, chasing the latest versions could be a hassle.
[11:37:09] <palowoda> s/your/you
[11:37:19] <blueandwhiteg3> the problem is that these video projects are moving so fast, running something a few months old is a problem... so you gotta re-build and re-build and re-build
[11:37:44] <blueandwhiteg3> and they won't even bother to look at bugs or troubleshoot if your svn build is >24 hours old, typically
[11:37:48] <Tempt> I guess old DivX doesn't cut it anymore.
[11:37:48] <palowoda> Ah so your just slow.
[11:38:16] <palowoda> My how the market moves fast.
[11:38:54] <palowoda> It doesn't have anything to do with OS either.
[11:38:57] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: Sadly, no. The complexity of video encoding is shooting through the roof. but the results are also climbing....
[11:39:34] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: Right, but the issues building x264 and mencoder are related to those projects not really 'supporting' solaris and lots of tweaking being required to build it
[11:39:35] <Tempt> I don't keep up with the bleeding edge. About the only interest I have in video codecs is making sure my torrent'ed TV plays.
[11:39:56] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: decoding is a lot simpler than encoding
[11:40:22] <fortytwo_> just install latest mplayer and/or vlc and youre done basically
[11:40:52] <palowoda> Encoding is a problem child with Solaris.
[11:41:52] <fortytwo_> btw, just play around with solris for the first time in quite some time: what kind of binary packages do you recommend? sunfreeware? solarisfreeware? blastwave? pkgsrc?
[11:41:53] <blueandwhiteg3> Yeah.... i just thought it would be nice to put a task running at a really low priority on that machine
[11:42:22] <blueandwhiteg3> fortytwo_: the latest mplayer on, say, blastwave.org, is over 1 year old...
[11:42:33] <blueandwhiteg3> great for playing, terrible for encoding
[11:42:38] <palowoda> But encoding has a lot to do with prorietary applications.
[11:43:07] <palowoda> A much bigger problem for a opensolaris irc channel.
[11:43:22] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: none of this is proprietary. 100% open source. i built it all from source under linux and os x every month or two.
[11:43:25] <fortytwo_> blueandwhiteg3: i mean for general stuff. say for example i want to install KDE or whatever
[11:43:37] <palowoda> Linux is opensource.
[11:43:49] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: so insightful!
[11:44:02] <blueandwhiteg3> fortytwo_: i use blastwave.org, but i'm a solaris idiot
[11:44:27] <palowoda> I've used the KDE from Blastwave. It works ok.
[11:45:25] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3:  That is why Johnathon is having lunch with Linus to get the video encoding market in order.
[11:45:53] <palowoda> And Bush is pushing for World Peace.
[11:46:14] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I have no clue how linus can do anything about video encoding... just about like how bush is running with a peace symbol
[11:47:05] <palowoda> At least you have your Pheniox BIOS problem workaround.
[11:47:38] <blueandwhiteg3> hey, it works.... if i had a sparc server donation, i'd not compain....
[11:47:58] <palowoda> Just $$$ thats all.
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[11:48:16] <blueandwhiteg3> my problems are software, not hardware, at this point
[11:48:38] <blueandwhiteg3> re encoding.... nobody bothers to maintain the code so it will actually build under solaris.... you'd need people in mplayer, x264, ffmpeg and xvid to keep things up to date (those projects evolve rapidly), plus a touch of mostly one-time help for libmpeg2, faac, etc
[11:49:02] <blueandwhiteg3> though most likely, the patch nazis at ffmpeg will end up rejecting the any patch you submit that does, well, anything
[11:49:58] <Tempt> fork it!
[11:50:15] <blueandwhiteg3> submit a patch that is 0.1% slower and they say it's too slow, submit a patch that's faster and unless it's an explicit optimization, they freak out about how gcc is inlining the functions and propose that gcc be patched....
[11:50:22] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: Welcome to the new world of free software.  Where in fact if you can't afford the correct hardware to accomplish your goal your screwed.
[11:51:11] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I don't see what hardware I need but don't have? i simply thought it would be nice to just use extra cpu cycles under solaris.
[11:51:16] <Tempt> Didn't some company recently release a h264 hardware codec in a USB key? Really fast?
[11:51:19] <palowoda> I get the same performance from gcc 4.2.1 on Solaris as Sunpro 12 studio.  I'm not worried.
[11:52:28] <blueandwhiteg3> Tempt: hardware encoders suck. limited encoding options, limited quality, and all to date are up to ying yang in closed source drivers
[11:53:05] <Tempt> Hideous.
[11:53:46] <blueandwhiteg3> in many cases, x264 with the proper flags on a newish will outperform the hardware... once you realize that the default quality settings can be lowered by so much before they even match the low quality of the hardware
[11:54:43] <blueandwhiteg3> and x264 is only getting faster... builds versus 1 year ago have higher quality and greater speed... that's what's so addictive about it
[11:55:13] <palowoda> Hmm I'm waiting for the mass population to understand low quality hardware.
[11:56:30] <Tempt> I think the mass population definately understands low quality hardware.
[11:56:32] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: what kind of 'low quality' do you mean? as in functionally poor? as in not 'server class reliability'? as in closed source drivers? as in all software based and it eats your cpu?
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[11:58:05] <palowoda> Foxconn is low quality right?  Wait didn't someone say you can't definine the definition of the word quality?
[11:58:11] <LuckyLuke> so I have this b63 sxce and the b67 dvd tells me it's upgradeable. any reaseon to prefer a fresh install over the upgrade?
[11:59:01] <palowoda> LuckyLuke: Should work.  I've done a 63->67 upgrade.
[11:59:20] <blueandwhiteg3> palowoda: I don't know. I don't really care if I have a brief downtime while I stick another mobo into my machine. That's the worst case failure I see.
[12:00:18] <palowoda> So much for the definition of quality I guess.
[12:00:28] <blueandwhiteg3> i think quality is subjective, relative to your needs
[12:00:42] <palowoda> Than don't use the term.
[12:01:01] <blueandwhiteg3> You brought it up, not me
[12:01:42] <palowoda> Oh shit your right.  Than don't listen too me.
[12:02:21] <palowoda> Buy another motherboard that works.
[12:02:32] <Tempt> Buy an Ultra-20
[12:02:40] <palowoda> That might do.
[12:03:45] <blueandwhiteg3> You know how many of these mothboards I could keep on hand for the cost of an ultra-20?
[12:04:12] <palowoda> Damn Ultra-20's aren't that expensive.
[12:04:15] <Tempt> Actually, an Ultra-20 is about same as buying a decent motherboard, PSU, Case etc
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[12:04:33] <Tempt> If you compare the prices against a similar grade of PC part, it works out on par.
[12:04:49] <blueandwhiteg3> Yeah, they aren't that expensive for a complete system. Though if you look at it just for the mobo...
[12:04:50] <dlg> you might even get a serial port if you dont buy a u20
[12:04:51] <palowoda> Upgrading an Ultra-20 is expensive but nobody is holding your feet to the fire.
[12:05:04] <trygvis> LuckyLuke: use liveupgrade
[12:05:07] <blueandwhiteg3> why would you not just upgrade it yourself?
[12:05:28] <palowoda> It commodity hardware right?
[12:05:33] <blueandwhiteg3> yeah
[12:05:40] <blueandwhiteg3> x86 is like the borg
[12:05:49] <blueandwhiteg3> we will assimilate through price/performance
[12:06:00] <palowoda> Just watch videos.
[12:06:25] <blueandwhiteg3> huh?
[12:06:26] <blueandwhiteg3> it's time for me to sleep...
[12:06:29] <palowoda> Reminds me I have to buy cable one of these days.
[12:07:18] <blueandwhiteg3> yeah, cable companies frown on 'cable theft' :)
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[12:07:21] <palowoda> blueandwhiteg3: So are you running Opensolaris?
[12:10:12] <palowoda> Heh, It's funny the cable guy came over one day and I was standing outside and he told me he was going to disconect my cable.  I told him I never had cable in my life.  I didn't believe me and brought a team of managers the next day.  They realized after 3 days the had the wrong address.
[12:15:02] <palowoda> It would been so funny but the house was 124 years old, never had a cable connection and they sent three mangers from Comcast out to investigate.  I just found it entertaining.
[12:17:10] <palowoda> s/I/they up there.
[12:19:49] <palowoda> Related to video and HDMI.  Does anybody have a video card on Solaris which does HDMI and run it with Solaris?  If so which video card?
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[12:34:46] <LuckyLuke> trygvis: liveupgrade is that thing that prepares the new system on a spare partition and the boots into it? - I don't have a spare partition :)
[12:34:54] <trygvis> bummer
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[12:42:27] <palowoda> One of these days the Solaris install is going to ask the question if you want to create a partition for liveupgrade.
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[12:44:14] <wraith_> hi all.how can I launch blackbox in Solaris?I compiled it but don't know how to replace gnome with it
[12:44:57] <palowoda> Search for docs on 'gdm'?
[12:46:07] <wraith_> mmm and are there any articles about setting up blackbox under solaris?
[12:46:28] <palowoda> Look at examples how Blastwave integrates KDE, Gnome, xfce etc.
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[12:49:34] <palowoda> Try going to: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=39   and in the search forum box put "gdm" what do you get?
[12:50:47] <wraith_> a lot of threads)
[12:50:50] <palowoda> Why would you thing Blackbox is special to Solaris?  It might be something more like alternative window managers.
[12:51:41] <palowoda> Lot's of reading to catch up on I guess.
[12:52:06] <wraith_> I just want to set up smth more leight-weigth than gnome
[12:52:34] <SYS64738> does anyone know where is gone the file miniserv.conf (of webmin) ?
[12:52:48] <palowoda> Running different window managers has nothing to do with the way you start them.
[12:53:05] <LuckyLuke> palowoda: when boot on raidz/raidz2 will be supported there will be no problems with spare partitions for liveupgrade...
[12:53:26] <LuckyLuke> SYS64738: are you the same SYS64738 of good old #bsd-it@ircnet?
[12:54:07] <SYS64738> ciao luciano
[12:54:09] <SYS64738> come butta ?
[12:54:14] <palowoda> LuckyLuke: Maybe why liveupgrade has a limited lifetime.
[12:54:51] <palowoda> With respect to ufs.
[12:55:10] <sickness> lol
[12:55:20] <SYS64738> ciao diegos
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[13:09:04] <SYS64738> sickness, where are you in olideis ?
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[13:27:29] <Tempt> Hmm, bored.
[13:28:05] <Tempt> And someone should have warned "wraith_" that blackbox is bretty broken these days and the blastwave packages are useless.
[13:40:03] <trygvis> hmm .. anyone familiar with cfengine?
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[14:12:19] <Tempt> GLOCATER
[14:12:23] <Tempt> errr.
[14:12:30] <trygvis> O.o
[14:12:33] <Tempt> screen mashed itself.
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[15:16:20] <ShanghaiScott> Anyone besides me having problems with luupgrade dumping core with SXCE 67? http://pastebin.com/943830
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[15:30:43] <ShanghaiScott> strange as it sounds, it looks like /bin/rm caused the core dump: http://pastebin.com/943834
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[18:42:09] <angryplatypus> how do i upgrade opensolaris packages ?
[18:43:12] <quasi> upgrade to the next release
[18:46:18] <angryplatypus> no i mean spesific packages say mysql
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[18:53:03] <bthornton> I'm running OpenSolaris (build 55) on UltraSPARC hardware.  Are there any programs available which would allow me to interface with the OBP subsystem of Sun hardware via STDIN/STDOUT?  My intention is to be able to interact with OBP via a remote SSH connection, if that's possible...
[18:56:58] <loke_> bthornton: yes, I can't recall the name of the program though
[18:57:21] <bthornton> well that gets me halfway there :)
[18:57:35] <Tpenta> eeprom
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[19:03:47] <bthornton> Tpenta: thanks
[19:03:52] <bthornton> loke_: thanks
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[19:59:41] <e^ipi> twincest: it is on my machine. YMMB
[19:59:46] <e^ipi> YMMV, i should say
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[21:31:18] <wraith> i've updated solaris and pkg-get.when i launch pkg-get i get: assertion failed:line xxx
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[21:36:27] <palowoda> An assertion error is not an error I would expect from pkg-get.  I'd suspect it's a called program. More details of the
[21:36:32] <palowoda> error message is needed.
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[21:38:23] <wraith> yeah,i suspect wget
[21:38:30] <wraith> the same mesage
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[21:42:06] <palowoda> Well at least you have two 'wget's to try. One in /opt/csw/bin/wget and /usr/sfw/bin/wget.
[21:42:13] <estibi> grrrr
[21:42:18] <estibi> mdb -k unix.11 vmcore.11
[21:42:20] <estibi> > ::panicinfo
[21:42:23] <estibi> ZFS: bad checksum (read on <unknown> off 0: zio d42c1600 [L0 DMU dnode] 4000L/400P DVA[0]=<0:5717789000:800> DVA[1]=<0:2d1b11d000:800> fletc
[21:42:26] <estibi> her4 lzjb LE contiguous birth=826521 fill=1 cksum=5d426159e2:363884a94a15:115c96edefa9c8:4045ed82f2623de): error 50
[21:43:36] <wraith> hmm..one that is in sfw doesn't work, i intalled gnu wget - the same, in /opt/csw there is no wget..
[21:45:41] <palowoda> I thought the pkg-get.pkg had it's own version of wget.  But I could be wrong, pkginfo says that there is a CSWwget which you would use the failing pkg-get to get.
[21:47:49] <palowoda> Your going to have to truss it out and find out where the assert error is coming from anyways.
[21:48:33] <palowoda> Haven't seen that error message from wget yet, but the assert call is in wget.
[21:49:30] <palowoda> Actually you can ftp the csw version of the wget package.
[21:53:06] <wraith> i think i'll try to get csw version,yes
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[22:06:27] <wraith> i've tried wget from ibiblio.org,but still the same error....
[22:06:43] <wraith> assertion failed: p - bp->buffer <= bp->width, file progress.c, line 965
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[22:08:26] <wraith> =((
[22:09:10] <palowoda> Are you getting the same error when you use wget directly to get a webpage?
[22:09:44] <wraith> yes,the same error
[22:10:21] <wraith> no
[22:10:31] <wraith> wget google.com works fine
[22:11:24] <palowoda> Ah that is interesting.  Maybe the pkg-get loads up a lib that causes the assert problem.  Just guess though at this point.
[22:11:32] <wraith> hmmm but with long url's i get asertion fauled
[22:11:43] <wraith> *assertion failed
[22:14:13] <wraith> shit, i understand, i get thi error when i want to download a file,not just a index.html
[22:16:31] <palowoda> Hmm something to do with the status bar.  Try wget -q  to keep it quit.
[22:16:36] <wraith> smth like overflow
[22:16:59] <palowoda> With a wget -q on a file.
[22:18:43] <wraith> yes,it work with -q!!!thx
[22:18:48] <wraith> *work
[22:18:52] <wraith> *works
[22:19:07] <palowoda> But you still have a problem.  You just have a workaround.
[22:19:24] <wraith> yes,may be problem in ome fonts?
[22:19:28] <wraith> *some
[22:20:05] <palowoda> Could be.  You could login to the text console and see if you have the problem without the gui.
[22:20:39] <wraith> ok,i'll try now
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[22:24:15] <wraith> yes,problem in fonts.In console wget works fine
[22:24:39] <palowoda> Ok I've seen problems like this.  Sometimes when you upgrade you have to
[22:24:48] <palowoda> /bin/fc-cache -f
[22:25:01] <cmihai> Reidms-420R: why did you install Apache 2?
[22:25:07] <cmihai> Reidms-420R: it's included in Solaris...
[22:25:18] <cmihai> Reidms-420R: svcadm enable apache2 -> you're set. Read svcs -xv apache2.
[22:25:20] <palowoda> this fixes a font cache problem in Gnome.   Or it could be your type of locale that could be causing it.
[22:25:30] <cmihai> (you need to cp over the sample httpd.conf first)
[22:26:11] <palowoda> To take advantage of 'fc-cache -f'  run it as root, log out and log back in.
[22:26:28] <palowoda> See if you have the same problem.
[22:27:11] <palowoda> I'm assuming that wget worked for you in the past.
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[22:30:34] <estibi> The bug has been reported. ...
[22:31:44] <palowoda> Solaris has no bugs.
[22:32:31] <estibi> palowoda: bus solaris express has
[22:34:53] <nachox> all non trivial software has bugs, they might not have been discovered yet but they are there
[22:35:43] <nachox> and the pdf reader that comes with solaris is one huge bug
[22:37:27] <vmlemon> Acrobug Reader? Or one of the open ones?
[22:38:50] <nachox> adobe reader does not come with solaris, i meant the default one
[22:39:21] <nachox> it does not even render correctly sun's pdfs
[22:39:56] <delewis> sure it does.
[22:40:12] <delewis> and yes, Adobe Reader does come with Solaris for the platforms that it's available for, and right now, that includes SPARC.
[22:41:16] <nachox> at least in solaris 10 u2 and nevada up to build 42 in x86 it doesnt
[22:41:36] <nachox> newer nevadas do come with evince which works better
[22:44:56] <delewis> I don't see how there's a solution to the problem that can be solved by Sun. On platforms that don't have Adobe Reader its the same situation, and Sun cannot be blamed for the reluctance of a vendor to port their software to another platform that Solaris supports.
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[22:46:33] <delewis> you might try using pdf2ps to convert from PDF to PS or deal with xpdf/evince/etc.
[22:48:13] <delewis> I have yet to see a pdf that Evince couldn't handle, though.
[22:48:48] <nachox> i never said sun needed to solve anything :) i only said the pdf that is currently shipped with solaris 10 is one big bug, you said solaris has a proper pdf viewer for sparc which is right
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[22:50:53] <wraith_> damn, fc-cache doesn't help
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[22:55:13] <twincest> hmm, apparently my dfstab share commands aren't running at boot
[22:55:22] <palowoda> Are you running pkg-get in a gnome term?
[22:55:27] <twincest> is it possible svc.startd starts nfs/server before qfs FSs are mounted?
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[22:58:46] <richlowe> it shouldn't.
[22:59:11] <wraith_> well,still thanks for answers, palowoda
[22:59:22] <richlowe> assuming qfs mounts in filesystem/local
[23:00:35] <palowoda> As a workaround you could modify pkg-get to be quit.  But your going to have to investigate which font conditions the problem occurs and which locales.  It could even be the term type and or gui type.  But it's something to go on.
[23:00:50] <twincest> hm, nothing in the nfs smf log either
[23:01:37] <twincest> ah, maybe i unmounted the fs
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[23:02:18] <wraith_> ok
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[23:05:52] <palowoda> wraith_: By the way:  http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6542839  No fix indicated for Nevada though.
[23:06:13] <palowoda> It has a workaround though.
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[23:31:22] <axisys> my rcapd is leaking memory.. any dtrace trick to find out where it is leaking.. i know there are two bugs already submitted for this .. only workaround in the bug says is to restart it
[23:31:30] <tsoome> I reported about broken wget ages ago
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[23:37:32] <trygvis>  anyone know what can be causing this failure: http://rafb.net/p/kw0xbu68.html
[23:37:39] <trygvis> same seems to be happenin with pkg*
[23:37:57] <trygvis> except there it is missing libssl: ld.so.1: pkgchk: fatal: libssl.so.0.9.8: open failed: No such file or directory
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[23:45:04] <trygvis> anyone? :)
[23:48:13] <richlowe> careless patching?
[23:48:18] <richlowe> (or careless creation thereof)
[23:48:23] <richlowe> sadly, the latter has been more common lately.
[23:48:44] <trygvis> not really, I've LUed from u3
[23:49:09] <trygvis> I think the u3 might have gotten some bad patches, but why should that affect the new system? all packages should be replaced, no?
[23:50:31] <richlowe> I'd assume so, if the lu ran without problems.
[23:50:58] <trygvis> I think so, the system is running just fine
[23:51:24] <delewis> trygvis, it seems whatever you're trying to run was built on Nevada and you're trying to run it on Solaris 10.
[23:51:35] <delewis> Nevada includes newer versions of libcrypto/libssl
[23:52:20] <trygvis> hm, I've been wondering if I'm still running the u3 kernel as uname is giving Generic_125101-07
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[23:54:29] <trygvis> seems like it, /a/platform/i86pc/multiboot and platform/i86pc/multiboot are the same files
[23:54:32] <trygvis> damn it





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