[00:00:39] <CIA-19> sherrym: PSARC/2007/349 Intel Microcode Update Support, 6558456 Need to support microcode update on Intel platforms
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[00:32:17] <rawn027> good day y'all
[00:32:23] <rawn027> hope everyone is doing well!
[00:32:37] <rawn027> back from another very productive day of work
[00:33:00] <rawn027> been working with JumpStart all day on my 4 SPARC machines in my make shift lab
[00:33:16] <Pietro_S> is it normal that when I'm in vi/vim in at solaris in inster mode and I hit up/down cursor arrow it will create new line with A at the beginning?
[00:33:33] <rawn027> Pietro_S: yeah
[00:33:36] <rawn027> its not vim
[00:33:39] <rawn027> its straight vi
[00:33:46] <rawn027> and its because they arent mapped correctly
[00:33:59] <rawn027> i can fix that in VIM but I do not know enough about vi to go about fixing that
[00:34:12] <rawn027> its all in the .vimrc file for vim
[00:34:16] <rawn027> set bs=2
[00:34:17] <sommerfeld> short form is terminal type not set correctly.
[00:34:26] <rawn027> sommerfeld: thx :)
[00:36:06] <rawn027> is anyone here experienced with solaris jumpstart on the SPARC arch
[00:36:13] <Pietro_S> oh, thanks a lot, now I feel very stupid that I didn't ask before ...
[00:36:30] <rawn027> Pietro_S: np
[00:37:33] <Pietro_S> maybe vim should be bundled with this change on ...
[00:37:55] <rawn027> no because people have diff terminal settings
[00:38:00] <rawn027> then other people would have issues
[00:38:06] <rawn027> its 6 in one half dozen in the other
[00:39:13] <tomww> rawn027: your question?
[00:39:34] <rawn027> tomww: I am trying to get it to work, I am getting a timeout waiting for RARP packet
[00:39:45] <rawn027> but the server does respond
[00:40:00] <rawn027> i am running rarpd like "in.rarpd -a -d"
[00:40:20] <Pietro_S> ah, and what about message after installation?
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[00:41:15] <tomww> so it does never start loading the kernel?
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[00:42:46] <rawn027> no
[00:42:50] <rawn027> it sits at the ok prompt
[00:42:54] <rawn027> without the ok of course
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[00:44:10] <tomww> the sees the packets from the client right after the  "ok boot net" ?
[00:44:18] <tomww> s/sees/server sees/
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[00:44:49] <rawn027> so i am running in.rarpd in the foreground
[00:45:09] <rawn027> and the mac address shows up in the rarpd server and it says sends immediate response
[00:45:22] <rawn027> i type boot net - install at the ok prompt
[00:45:27] <tomww> eg. snoop ether 00:11:22:33:44:55  (your client's MAC)
[00:45:30] <rawn027> it says timeout waiting once
[00:45:38] <rawn027> then it hangs
[00:45:43] <rawn027> snoop is a command?
[00:45:49] <rawn027> or do you mean use like tcpdump
[00:46:00] <pitty> can anyone think of a reason why in netbackup / after starting netbackup , ltid does not start ?
[00:46:13] <tomww> yes, take it as the "tcpdump" from the oter side of the moon - sun
[00:46:32] <pitty> i know this is not a veritas channel but im looking for any suggestions
[00:46:41] <pitty> and it will be appreciated
[00:47:01] <tomww> snoop -v -r ether 00:11:22:33:44:55   can decode som of the protocols, very usefull for debugging your setup
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[00:47:35] <rawn027> awesome, i didnt know about that command
[00:47:40] <rawn027> i'll write that down
[00:47:49] <rawn027> because im not at work yet and i dont have a VPN into my lab yet
[00:48:59] <tomww> how many clients do you plan to install? even for small setups, you could free yourself from many complicated things with the plain jumpstart server if you use SUNWjet on top of it.
[00:49:49] <tomww> this enables template based installs for sparc and x86. including dhcp (sparc/x86) and PXE-boot (x86)
[00:49:58] <rawn027> its going to basically be a lab where any sun box they need to jumpstart it will be a closed environment where they can
[00:50:09] <rawn027> so it will be used extensively
[00:50:12] <rawn027> what is jet?
[00:50:19] <rawn027> oh sorry i just read it
[00:50:35] <tomww> it is a toolkit sitting on top of the jumpstart "framework".
[00:50:44] <tomww> :-)
[00:50:52] <rawn027> does it simplify the setup
[00:50:55] <rawn027> of jumpstart
[00:51:46] <tomww> bigadmin has SUNWjet. yes it simplifies the setup for small or bigger customizations
[00:51:54] <rawn027> awesome
[00:52:22] <rawn027> thanks so much
[00:52:43] <tomww> if you like an additional packages, it is just one line in the template, if you like disk-mirror, few more lines how this should look like, run a custom script is one more line...
[00:53:25] <rawn027> so my first step tomorrow is getting internet access into the lab, also do you recommend getting DHCP and DNS up and running
[00:53:29] <rawn027> because i even start this?
[00:53:38] <tomww> most poeple just love the simplifications with the dhcp-setup
[00:54:10] <rawn027> will SPARC machines work over DHCP? because it seems to only be able to look for RARP/ARP packets
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[00:54:37] <tomww> dns would not be very important, but if you plan to add value to an x86 box by installing solaris .... then you need dhcp to have PXE_boot working
[00:54:59] <rawn027> right but we are a SPARC only shop
[00:55:05] <tomww> newer sparc-boxes work well with dhcp, so the old rarp and bootparams is not longer needed
[00:55:07] <rawn027> im working on Ultra 60s right now :-P
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[00:55:23] <tomww> this would be "ok boot net:dhcp - install"
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[00:55:37] <rawn027> oh ok so you have old machines still do dhcp
[00:55:39] <rawn027> sweet
[00:56:46] <tomww> dhcp has its advantages. just install a dhcp-relay on very IP-router and you can install from everywhere
[00:56:56] <rawn027> exaclty
[00:57:02] <tomww> s/very/every/
[00:57:09] <rawn027> we all have typing issues lol
[00:57:21] <rawn027> im getting screwed up because im working on the old Solaris keyboards
[00:57:21] <tomww> no ever
[00:57:30] <rawn027> with the control where caps lock should be
[00:57:39] <tomww> i like them, sometimes
[00:57:50] <rawn027> sometimes: *key word :)
[00:58:45] <tomww> yes, i'll go now, my DSL-router will tell me in a few minutes with its disconnect, that it's 1am. good night!
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[00:59:47] <sommerfeld> rawn027: bah.  caps lock should not be.
[01:00:14] <sommerfeld> (i've dealt with the control vs. capslock inconsistencies by mapping caps lock to another control key..)
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[01:01:31] <Triskelios> "ctrl:nocaps" was a great invention
[01:01:39] <rawn027> haha
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[01:10:27] <rawn027> where is a good place to get packages for solaris?
[01:10:43] <rawn027> or should i just compile from source
[01:11:18] <Triskelios> main sources are the companion software (companion.sunfreeware.com) for basic stuff, and blastwave for other things...
[01:11:30] <rawn027> are they both free?
[01:12:41] <Triskelios> yes, of course
[01:13:02] <rawn027> Triskelios: thanks
[01:14:55] <rawn027> anyone here know how to enable XDMCP on opensolaris, and then get it to work on a mac?
[01:15:07] <rawn027> i found this link: http://davidwinter.me.uk/articles/2005/12/08/setting-up-xdmcp-for-mac/
[01:15:24] <Triskelios> rawn027: gdmsetup if you use gdm
[01:15:44] <Triskelios> I assume you mean Solaris Express?
[01:16:22] <rawn027> yeah, SXCE right now
[01:16:32] <rawn027> i may be switching to SXDE
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[01:16:44] <Triskelios> it's the same thing with studio and a few other packages
[01:17:14] <rawn027> yeah seemed more stable though, maybe its just my imagination :)
[01:17:17] <Triskelios> and less frequent official releases (it's always an install option on the SXCE discs)
[01:17:43] <Triskelios> probably has to do with the release scheduling
[01:17:50] <BadKarma> typing issues
[01:18:31] <BadKarma> back to my first employment... I worked for a place, VERY high security
[01:18:52] <BadKarma> one night, at about 3am, I burst into the john, because my kidneys are gonna explode, and I GOTTA PEE
[01:18:53] <rawn027> hmmm gdm is disabled
[01:19:02] <rawn027> could i be running xdm or kdm?
[01:19:09] <BadKarma> and low and behold, I busted a bunch of people up the food chain, cutting lines
[01:19:23] <sommerfeld> rawn027: dtlogin is the default
[01:19:36] <BadKarma> they know WE ARE VERY BUSTED...
[01:19:55] <rawn027> oh boy, it just shit the bed lol
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[01:21:22] <rawn027> is Solaris 11 going to adopt GNOME or is that just used because its open source and Java Desktop used in Sol10 not open source?
[01:21:31] <Triskelios> rawn027: JDS is GNOME
[01:21:50] <rawn027> oh really
[01:21:51] <Triskelios> and completely free software
[01:21:57] * stevel throws tomatoes at gman
[01:22:08] <rawn027> good to know
[01:22:26] <Triskelios> stevel: hah
[01:22:31] <rawn027> so Solaris CE is just the same with newest packages at build time?
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[01:23:54] <Triskelios> rawn027: well, it has changed a lot
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[01:26:02] <Gman> playing dirty, huh?
[01:26:08] <sommerfeld> no food fights, please!
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[01:28:06] <Gman> Tpenta, any news about user group talk?
[01:28:18] <Tpenta> ooo i have to do something about that
[01:28:23] <Tpenta> umm what was the date?
[01:28:59] <Gman> 9th ;)
[01:29:09] * dlg yawn
[01:29:29] <rawn027> with xdmcp i am getting this error:
[01:29:37] <rawn027> too many retransmissions declaring screen dead
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[01:35:19] <sommerfeld> rawn027: recent builds completely disable TCP access to X by default.  it can be turned back on if you need it (and if you're using XDMCP I think you do)
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[01:35:45] <rawn027> sommerfeld: yeah i tried, I think im going to scratch that idea all together and just use XForwarding over SSH
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[01:36:24] <sommerfeld> that's generally a better approach (better security, etc.,)
[01:38:12] <_basta_> still no freenx?
[01:38:32] <_basta_> for intel solaris i mean
[01:39:04] <coffman> *sigh*
[01:39:31] <coffman> _basta_: some people ignore solaris x86 as hard as they can
[01:39:36] <coffman> stupid that is
[01:40:26] <_basta_> i`ve tried freenx and nx free edition - they are both fast && secure over net. beats vnc hands down.
[01:40:39] <_basta_> but no solaris support (intel)
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[01:43:41] <sommerfeld> so if i'm reading this correctly, source code for the entire thing is available (well, the "freenx" version, at least?)
[01:44:34] <Triskelios> yes, it's GPL... so I don't see what the problem is
[01:44:59] <_basta_> yes. http://freenx.berlios.de/
[01:45:07] <sommerfeld> so, port it..
[01:45:38] <Triskelios> should be easy enough to compile, esp. if it's already tested on sparc
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[01:46:24] <_basta_> compiles with diff`s and some dependencies from blastwave
[01:46:28] <rawn027> ok now i cant go back to the normal login screen :(
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[01:46:38] <rawn027> there is no dtlogin service
[01:46:59] <Triskelios> svcadm disable gdm; svcadm enable cde-login
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[02:06:02] <EchoBinary> is there an open solaris live CD or DVD that i can get a feel for it before i install it?
[02:06:25] <Gman> belenix is a livecd
[02:06:40] <Gman> also http://get.opensolaris.org
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[02:08:53] <Doc> just download Linux and try that - Linux is just a Solaris clone anyway
[02:09:08] <Gman> shitstirrer
[02:09:44] <jbk> heh
[02:09:57] <jbk> i've been cursing redhat's installer for the past 3 days :)
[02:10:44] <Doc> ahh.. then try Solaris -it's installer is much better
[02:10:56] <Doc> ohh.. wait.. i've got my sarcasm switch turned on.. my mistake.. :)
[02:11:02] <jbk> haha
[02:11:26] <rawn027> is there a way to just return the current users UID?
[02:11:37] <rawn027> id returns a slew of info
[02:11:39] <rawn027> that i dont need
[02:12:16] <Doc> /usr/xpg4/bin/id -u
[02:12:19] <palowoda> man logins
[02:12:26] <Gman> everytime i re-install, i wonder how it was possible for someone to come up with the install experience they did
[02:12:33] <palowoda> oh sorry wrong window
[02:12:33] <Gman> it's a shocker.
[02:12:43] <Doc> gman: how so?
[02:12:59] <pfn> gman what are you expecting?  it's a unix install
[02:13:00] <Doc> (not that i disagee, just wondering why you think that)
[02:13:08] <Gman> Doc, just in terms of the design choices
[02:13:10] <pfn> it's never been expected to be easy
[02:13:17] <Gman> why the need for a 30 second pause
[02:13:30] <EchoBinary> Doc: if linux supported ZFS i just might
[02:13:39] <pfn> EchoBinary, zfs on fuse works in linux
[02:13:40] <Gman> why the need to scan the cd to calculate the sizes
[02:13:45] <EchoBinary> im not going to run fuse
[02:13:55] <_basta_> zfs + dtrace + resource countrols + zones u mean?
[02:13:56] <EchoBinary> i refuse
[02:13:57] <pfn> EchoBinary, zfs is ported to other unix
[02:14:01] <_basta_> out of the box.
[02:14:06] * pfn doesn't need zones or resource controls
[02:14:15] <pfn> dtrace is nice, but I've lived without it for a decade now...
[02:14:21] * _basta_ needs, so forced tu use openvz
[02:14:24] <pfn> zfs is my primary want
[02:14:38] <Doc> gman: yah.. i put in an rfe for that size scanning thing yonks ago
[02:15:14] <rawn027> zfs pwns
[02:15:25] <_basta_> pfn: for thousands of years people lived without computers, so...
[02:15:26] <Gman> Doc, i can't believe the only reason to have it was a technical limitation, so someone must have called the shots
[02:15:54] <Doc> i just hack the script when setting up a jumpstart server now days
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[02:30:40] <boyd_> Doc: Interesting. got a pointer to the changes needed. (To save me looking for them)
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[02:31:04] <Doc> boyd: nah.. i can't seem to get to internal sunsolve at the moment for some reason...
[02:31:21] <Gman> stevel, webapp got issues atm? it's proving pretty slow to edit pages
[02:34:52] <stevel> not issues that i know of
[02:34:56] <stevel> s/not/no/
[02:36:19] <Gman> ok, might just be a slow web proxy
[02:37:39] <stevel> or a shitty webapp
[02:37:43] <stevel> either are just as likely
[02:38:43] <Gman> Sorry, there were some problems with your request. The object you are editing (or one of its related objects) has been updated by another user.
[02:38:47] <Gman> hrm, something odd going on
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[02:40:46] <stevel> what page are you editing?
[02:40:51] <stevel> and how long is it taking?
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[02:41:52] <Gman> stevel, was editing http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/tasks
[02:41:59] <Gman> but looks like it might have just been a minor blip
[02:42:24] <stevel> yay for our wonderful webapp
[02:42:33] * stevel throws tomatoes at the webapp
[02:42:51] <Doc> i'll look after doing all the tasks on that page
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[02:45:04] <Gman> brendang, evolving no longer exists fwiw
[02:45:15] <Gman> Doc, :)
[02:47:08] <Gman> richlowe, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88754 < woo! rewritten patch, closer to landing into panel upstream
[02:47:12] <Doc> gman: it's a one-time offer. if you add anything else to the list I'll withdraw it :)
[02:52:53] <rawn027> so im finally getting used to solaris a tad
[02:53:17] <rawn027> its very different coming from FreeBSD
[02:57:54] <twincest> is there any way to find a scsi hba's serial number from solaris?
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[03:02:07] <EchoBinary> rawn: im about to try opensolaris, ..  what have you noticed that is diff?
[03:02:46] <_basta_> EchoBinary: packet management, initialising
[03:03:13] <_basta_> base system management commands and their optional keys
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[03:48:21] <brendang> Gman: evolving is still in attributes(5)
[03:48:45] <Gman> brendang, shouldn't be used for new classifications (which I assumed this was)
[03:49:25] <brendang> Gman: ok, I didn't know that. I did see it in a very recent PSARC case, but that was just 1 occurance
[03:49:43] <brendang> Gman: what replaces evolving?
[03:49:47] <Gman> committed
[03:49:56] <Gman> http://sac.eng/BestPractices/interface_taxonomy.html
[03:50:12] <Gman> i'm sure there's an opensolaris.org friendly url somewhere
[03:50:13] <brendang> Gman: ahh, thanks.
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[03:50:24] <brendang> Gman: going to have to change DTrace...
[03:50:33] <brendang> Gman: as DTrace exports the old taxonomy
[03:50:49] <Gman> brendang, the old taxonomy is fine, i think all new interfaces need to be updated
[03:51:04] <Gman> but well, ask the arc folks :)
[03:57:52] <richlowe> brendang: Before believing Gman, talk to Bryan
[03:58:00] <richlowe> brendang: you may want to stand well back when doing so, however.
[03:58:06] <Gman> heh
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[03:59:30] <Gman> "All Evolving interfaces approved by PSARC may be considered Committed with the adoption of this document version. All ON-delivered documentation will be modified to reflect this change. All other Evolving interfaces should be considered Uncommitted, which is the default transition path."
[04:03:07] <richlowe> Sure, but the DTrace taxonomy and the ARC's are not a 1:1 mapping.
[04:03:20] <richlowe> there are necessary concepts that can no longer be accurately represented.
[04:03:50] * Gman shrugs
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[04:20:16] <brendang> richlowe: I think Mike is the father of DTrace stability taxonomy
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[04:34:53] * Gman figures mike lost in a poker game many years ago
[04:35:25] <Gman> 'i'll see you $10 and raise you having to ARC dtrace....'
[04:39:15] <yongsun> why it's so slow to edit the pages on OS.o?
[04:39:46] <brendang> yongsun: because their editor sux
[04:41:23] <yongsun> brendang, while browsing the static contents is fine
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[05:06:29] <Doc> afternoon alan
[05:06:40] <Tpenta> hey doc
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[05:15:00] <Tpenta> brb, working around CR6566379
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[05:15:36] <jamesd> hi dclarke
[05:15:57] <dclarke> hiya jamesd
[05:16:01] <dclarke> how goes life ?
[05:16:17] <jamesd> going great, had my first day at work
[05:16:22] <ShadowHntr> evening dclarke
[05:16:25] <ShadowHntr> jamesd
[05:16:26] <dclarke> evening
[05:16:28] <ShadowHntr> :)
[05:16:33] <dclarke> jamesd : you got the job ?!?!
[05:16:41] <dclarke> jamesd : woo hoo !
[05:16:54] <jamesd> gotta love going to work, and they assign you an x86 box that is slower than my home desktop, and the same with a sparc box...   both are slower than my home machines
[05:16:55] <dclarke> jamesd : now there is some damn fine news !
[05:16:56] <jamesd> yeah
[05:17:11] <jamesd> YEAP
[05:17:14] <dclarke> jamesd : seriously .. I was in the dumps here
[05:17:24] <dclarke> jamesd : been waiting for a ray of light
[05:17:41] <dclarke> jamesd : good to hear .. really and truely .. I am soo happy to hear this
[05:17:46] <Tpenta> now that that workaround works, I'm going for lunch :)
[05:17:56] <jamesd> thanks
[05:17:59] <dclarke> jamesd : okay .. I'll stop making happy noises like an idiot
[05:18:24] <dclarke> jamesd : but seriously :-)
[05:18:43] <dclarke> what do they have you doing ?
[05:19:35] <jamesd> i'm a sysadmin/network engineer,  doing  support for unix boxes  at wells fargo finance.
[05:19:47] <jamesd> its 3months contract to hire.
[05:20:05] <dclarke> damn fine
[05:20:29] <dclarke> so we are both busy on contracts .. geez .. thats cool
[05:20:42] <jamesd> yeah damm great to get in the door of a fortune 500 company,  they are 95% fujitsu shop.
[05:20:55] <dclarke> I'm doing an Oracle migration from Solaris 8 on Sparc to Solaris 10 on AMD Opteron
[05:21:55] <jamesd> they are just starting to let sun get back in the door, after the  utrasparc  l2 problem of a few years back, they said ... good bye to sun because they didn't own up to the problem
[05:22:09] <jamesd> brb... have to do laundry
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[05:22:50] <dclarke> I'll be here .. fighting with GRUB2
[05:24:30] <EchoBinary> zfs ready for production use? or should one stick with UFS and a hw raid?
[05:25:30] <dclarke> ZFS is solid
[05:25:31] <EchoBinary> i have heard it said that zfs will have the feature of growing raidz2 zpools sometime around fall, i am wondering where that speculation might come from?
[05:25:54] <dclarke> if you install Solaris 10 Update 3 and then apply the recommended cluster patch ..
[05:25:58] <dclarke> ZFS is solid
[05:26:10] <dclarke> or wait a week for Solaris 10 Update 4
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[05:26:14] <jamesd> i'm back
[05:26:18] <EchoBinary> hmm
[05:26:41] <EchoBinary> is it easy to install updates and "packages"? (for lack of a better term at the moment?)
[05:27:18] <EchoBinary> indeed, next week i will likely be busily attempting setup of a 5TB raidz2
[05:28:09] <Gman> ok, so i don't like the new 'discard all messages marked 'defer'' option in mailman
[05:28:16] <EchoBinary> and am hoping to be able to grow that zpool by adding a disk  in the future
[05:28:21] * Gman worries that too many admins will use that instead of actually checking their queues
[05:29:12] <dclarke> Gman : I refuse to check 32 spam messages
[05:29:29] <dclarke> so .. just like on Blastwave .. if the person is not a member .. the message gets dropped over time
[05:29:38] <dclarke> easy to admin that way
[05:29:43] <dclarke> and it works well
[05:30:17] <Gman> then you get a lot of potential disconnects with jive
[05:30:35] <Gman> [or cross posting]
[05:30:58] <dclarke> potential disconnects ??
[05:30:59] <dclarke> what ?
[05:31:09] <Gman> just in terms of what is hitting the archive
[05:31:22] <dclarke> again .. I don't know what you mean
[05:31:25] <Gman> messages getting dropped from the archive because they aren't being moderated through
[05:31:32] <sommerfeld> disconnect in the sense of "inconsistency"
[05:31:37] <dclarke> oh
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[05:31:43] <dclarke> well ... jive is not my problem
[05:32:04] <dclarke> if the message goes into the mailman queue and its a valid member .. its gets distributed
[05:32:16] <dclarke> otherwise .. it ages for seven days and gets dropped
[05:32:22] <dclarke> I have no idea why jive gets involved
[05:32:37] <palowoda> gman: Doesn't Jive have an option to put a user account in a unmoderated status after a good post?
[05:32:49] <Gman> no idea
[05:33:20] <dclarke> jive == that weird web based way to display what is already available on the mail lists ?
[05:34:26] <Gman> indeed
[05:34:52] <dclarke> okay .. yeah well .. I have no clue how or why that works
[05:35:10] <dclarke> at the moment I just want my GRUB2 bootable stuff to fly
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[05:38:28] <dclarke> I am trying to translate the kernel line from old GRUB to new GRUB2 here
[05:38:48] <dclarke> kernel (nd)/boot/platform/i86pc/kernel/unix -v -B install_media=172.31.254.249:/mnt,console=ttya
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[05:39:03] <dclarke> that line should be more or less the same .. except for the (nd) stuff
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[05:41:39] <dclarke> at the risk of asking a truely silly question .. can I mount an ext2fs filesystem on Solaris x86 these days ?
[05:41:46] <dclarke> I have not tried in a long long time
[05:43:20] <sommerfeld> i hear there's a bolt-on module you can add which will do it.
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[05:44:18] <dclarke> I'm trying to avoid sticking the x86 mini-root onto ext2fs just to get GRUB2 to play nicely
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[05:46:37] <dclarke> although I did compile in the ufs module also
[05:46:44] * dclarke mutters awya to self
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[05:48:48] <dclarke> kernel /boot/grub/core.img
[05:48:49] <dclarke>    [Multiboot-kludge, loadaddr=0x100000, text-and-data=0xd754, bss=0x0, entry=0
[05:48:51] <dclarke> x100270]
[05:48:58] <dclarke> I'm just not getting output to ttya
[05:49:03] <dclarke> hrmmmm
[05:50:13] <dclarke> root (hd0,0)
[05:50:15] <dclarke>  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xbf
[05:50:20] <dclarke> what the heck ?
[05:50:35] <dclarke> this iss the new Solaris x86 partition type .. right ..
[05:50:40] <dclarke> okay .. I recall that now
[05:51:21] <dclarke> it used to be partition type 0x82 which looked like Linux swap
[05:53:03] <Doc> so, the root password on the iPhone is "dottie", in case anyone cares
[05:53:37] <dclarke> I'll note that
[05:53:50] <dclarke> just in case I feel the urge to hack one someday
[05:54:44] <Doc> you offering to start the opensolaris port?
[05:54:55] <dclarke> I already started
[05:55:03] <dclarke> at the moment I am working on GRUB2
[05:55:13] <dclarke> I want a modern bootloader
[05:56:00] <dclarke> I am here now trying to load my GRUB2 bootloader off the correct partition on a Kingston USB key
[05:56:24] <dclarke> damn thing wants to use the graphics monitor and not the ttya serial console
[05:56:51] <dclarke> which is my fault .. for not specifying that in the menu.cfg
[05:57:45] <dclarke> kernel /boot/grub/core.img console=ttyS0,9600n8 console=tty0
[05:57:59] <dclarke> [Multiboot-kludge, loadaddr=0x100000, text-and-data=0xd754, bss=0x0, entry=0x100270]
[05:59:42] <dclarke> oh well .. time to boot knoppix for a sec
[05:59:47] <dclarke> be right back ..
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[06:39:13] <edwardocallaghan> hey
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[07:00:39] <CIA-19> cth: PSARC 2007/329 SCSI inquiry property enhancement, PSARC 2007/339 Device Size Properties, PSARC 2007/388 Generic Topology for Internal Disks, 6572672 Generic Topology for Internal Disks
[07:02:13] <theRealballchalk> how do i burn a divd in solaris?
[07:08:01] <twincest> cdrw
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[07:11:07] <dclarke> with cdrecord
[07:11:16] <dclarke> if you want it to work on all media
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[07:24:23] <theRealballchalk> dclarke: yea i'm man-ing cdrecord
[07:24:35] <theRealballchalk> just out of curiosity what are other alternatives in solaris?
[07:25:15] <theRealballchalk> cdrw only pertains to non-DVDs rite?
[07:27:06] <Triskelios> theRealballchalk: cdrw burns DVDs just fine
[07:27:10] <dclarke> cdrw works on a whakc of media
[07:27:19] <dclarke> cdrecord works .. better
[07:27:27] <dclarke> it just does .. don't even get me started
[07:27:30] <theRealballchalk> what about mkisofs
[07:27:40] <theRealballchalk> haha
[07:27:40] <dclarke> that works real well also
[07:27:44] <dclarke> I use it ALLLlll the time
[07:27:54] <theRealballchalk> mm
[07:27:57] <theRealballchalk> mmmm
[07:28:00] <dclarke> just be sure to get Jorg's latest releases
[07:28:05] <dclarke> and then your rockin
[07:28:18] <dclarke> get 'em all at blastwave.org
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[07:28:29] <g4lt-U60> right, don't get the earlier ones, where he had a fooking license key for GPL software
[07:28:31] <theRealballchalk> mkisofs easier to do than cdrecord?
[07:28:58] <dclarke> they are both loaded with more options than a Philidelphia investment firm
[07:28:59] <twincest> cdrw is the easiest cd/dvd writing tool ever written
[07:29:00] <dclarke> but ..
[07:29:03] <dclarke> they work
[07:29:33] <Triskelios> theRealballchalk: mkisofs doesn't do burning. you need it to make CD images from scratch
[07:29:50] <theRealballchalk> oh i see
[07:30:03] <dclarke> hey ...
[07:30:07] <dclarke> its easy as pie
[07:30:18] <dclarke> put a whack of stuff into a directory tree somewhere
[07:30:31] <dclarke> call that /export/home/my_home/somewhere
[07:30:49] <dclarke> then make a ISO file out of that thus :
[07:31:33] <dclarke> mkisofs -rock -joliet -joliet-long -verbose -o outputfile.iso /export/home/my_home/somewhere
[07:31:47] <dclarke> that will generate a big ISO file
[07:31:56] <dclarke> you then burn that to DVD thus :
[07:32:23] <dclarke> cdrecord -v -dev=0,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao outputfile.iso
[07:32:28] <dclarke> confused ?
[07:32:47] <dclarke> the real trick is you need to know your DVD device target id number
[07:32:52] <dclarke> thats dead easy to get ..
[07:33:01] <dclarke> run cdrecord -v -scanbus
[07:33:09] <dclarke> and it will tell you everything on every bus
[07:33:18] <theRealballchalk> burning to a DVD ...why does the syntax have an outfile.iso?
[07:33:38] <dclarke> that is the iso file from the mkisofs command
[07:33:44] <dclarke> let me rewrite it for you
[07:33:54] <theRealballchalk> dclarke: revelation haha
[07:33:58] <dclarke> mkisofs -rock -joliet -joliet-long -verbose -o foo.iso /export/home/my_home/somewhere
[07:33:59] <theRealballchalk> thanks so much
[07:34:07] <dclarke> cdrecord -v -dev=0,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao foo.iso
[07:34:11] <dclarke> there ya go
[07:34:26] <dclarke> the joliet stuff makes sure you can read it on Windows
[07:34:33] <theRealballchalk> oh ok
[07:34:36] <dclarke> Windows tends to get real pissy at long long file names
[07:34:37] <theRealballchalk> what about macs?
[07:34:43] <dclarke> oh hell ..
[07:34:51] <dclarke> well gee .. I never needed to support them
[07:34:54] <g4lt-U60> let's see, do we want to get into the nice short cdrw lines for all of that now? ;P
[07:35:08] <dclarke> but .. if you feel the urge to drink a pot of coffee and read the cdrecord manpage
[07:35:24] <dclarke> you can burn for nearly every target in the world with any file system on any architecture
[07:35:27] <theRealballchalk> it's always coffee while reading man pages lol
[07:35:28] <theRealballchalk> nah
[07:35:38] <dclarke> cdrw is dead simple .. it is
[07:35:41] <theRealballchalk> i think whatever is supported in windows are also done on macs
[07:35:42] <Tpenta> dclarke: With vi and coffee   ;)
[07:35:45] <theRealballchalk> they're good
[07:35:59] <dclarke> seriously .. cdrw will do the trick .. most of the time .. but not if you want to ensure it works on multiple platforms
[07:36:17] <theRealballchalk> i see
[07:36:28] <dclarke> I tested it with DVD-R DVD+R DVD+R/DL and DVD 80mm and 120mm and a whack of media
[07:36:42] <dclarke> on Pioneer drives and on Sony
[07:36:55] <dclarke> on Plextor and on who-flung-dung-in-the-dark drives
[07:36:58] <g4lt-U60> how can an ISO not work on multiple platforms?
[07:37:09] <dclarke> the burning can fail
[07:37:09] <g4lt-U60> that's kind of the point of a standard
[07:37:20] <dclarke> not the ISO .. duh
[07:37:32] <dclarke> the ISO is just the output from mkiosfs
[07:38:09] <g4lt-U60> oh, in that case, no issue, because my only other burner is on a laptop that has a lot of CBA with it
[07:38:12] <Triskelios> I think dclarke just meant that cdrw is only available on Solaris, while cdrecord is portable
[07:38:24] <dclarke> no .. cdrw is portable also
[07:38:31] <dclarke> I think its quite opens source
[07:38:35] <theRealballchalk> dclarke: 'cdrecord -v scanbus' says i have no write mode specified; asuming -tao mode; and no device specified
[07:38:44] <g4lt-U60> it still has wind'ohs oin it with the native burning programs that toshiba gave me
[07:38:52] <dclarke> can you paste the output to rafb.net ?
[07:39:09] <Triskelios> theRealballchalk: cdrecord -v -scanbus
[07:39:42] <theRealballchalk> Triskelios: yes i did that
[07:39:53] <Triskelios> theRealballchalk: -scanbus has a dash
[07:39:56] <theRealballchalk> lemme past it to pastebin
[07:41:08] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/bvKT5F36.txt
[07:41:16] <dclarke> sorry for the format issue there
[07:41:39] <theRealballchalk> http://www.pastebin.ca/600948
[07:41:54] <Triskelios> theRealballchalk: read what I just said
[07:42:03] <dclarke> where is the dah ?
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[07:42:06] <Triskelios> it's a common typo
[07:42:09] <dclarke> where is the dash ?
[07:42:16] <dclarke> cdrecord -v -scanbus
[07:42:25] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:hey !
[07:42:30] <dclarke> hey
[07:42:48] <edwardocallaghan> In Melbroune at the moment..
[07:42:49] <dclarke> seen : http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3356/dsc00123pf9.jpg
[07:42:53] <theRealballchalk> ohh
[07:42:55] <theRealballchalk> the dash
[07:42:57] <theRealballchalk> hold on
[07:43:11] <dclarke> please use http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[07:43:16] <dclarke> pastebin is noisey as hell
[07:43:33] <theRealballchalk> Treskelios: oh haha i got it
[07:43:43] <theRealballchalk> noisy?
[07:43:49] <theRealballchalk> how's it noisy?
[07:44:06] <dclarke> lots of superflous graphics and formatting
[07:44:14] <dclarke> and javascript
[07:44:16] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:where are you at the moment ?
[07:44:32] <dclarke> in front of my keyboard surrounded by servers ?
[07:44:39] <dclarke> looking at an empty coffee cup
[07:44:43] <edwardocallaghan> really ?
[07:44:50] <dclarke> in Cobourg Ontario Canada
[07:44:54] <theRealballchalk> dclarke: oh i agree
[07:45:01] <edwardocallaghan> ah yes
[07:45:12] <edwardocallaghan> I forget where everyone is in the world
[07:45:33] <Tpenta> and worse. it changes ;)
[07:45:34] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  it really doesn't matter
[07:46:04] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  when we have people living long term on space stations and on the moon and mars .. we will ask "where are you?" and know by the latency
[07:46:16] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:was it you that offered hosting for my blastware gui frontend project when i was in England ?
[07:46:25] <dclarke> yeah man
[07:46:35] <dclarke> I recently set up a server for the emancipation people
[07:46:46] <dclarke> I just put in snv_63 and then handed over the console to them
[07:46:59] <edwardocallaghan> Because I really need to get on top of that gui !
[07:47:06] <dclarke> okay
[07:47:19] <dclarke> so .. I need to carve out some resources I guess ?
[07:47:38] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/fHPBtF60.html
[07:47:39] <edwardocallaghan> a zone with Joomla setup would be nice
[07:47:55] <dclarke> just a zone ?
[07:47:57] <dclarke> okay
[07:48:03] <dclarke> I can make that happen
[07:48:19] <dclarke> a smallish dual proc UltraSparc III unit can do that for you
[07:48:29] <edwardocallaghan> I don't need much, I just need a base to start my projects
[07:48:30] <dclarke> I have one here .. mostly idle
[07:48:33] <dclarke> okay ..
[07:48:38] <dclarke> I need a post it note
[07:48:43] <edwardocallaghan> that would be great, i could do builds on that
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[07:49:23] <edwardocallaghan> Can a send you another email
[07:49:25] <dclarke> Solaris 10 Update 3 plus latest patches plus Studio 11 okay ?
[07:49:38] <edwardocallaghan> yes, good for me !
[07:49:44] <dclarke> how much disk space ?
[07:50:05] <dclarke> just the basics ?
[07:50:11] <edwardocallaghan> 5gb quot should be fine right ?
[07:50:17] <edwardocallaghan> yea basic stuff
[07:50:26] <dclarke> for the whole zone ?
[07:50:36] <dclarke> actually .. let me think here
[07:50:46] <dclarke> hrmmm ... I can slide this into a T2000
[07:51:07] * dclarke flips mental coins
[07:51:34] <edwardocallaghan> I just need to setup a CMS for a website and a version control system for my code
[07:51:57] <dlg> vi and cvs
[07:52:00] <dlg> tada
[07:52:44] <edwardocallaghan> I have been trying to meet up with boyd as I am only here for another day or so, I was going to talk to him about my project..
[07:53:24] <edwardocallaghan> He is at the end of this street or something ?
[07:53:37] <dclarke> he is generally around .. somewhere
[07:53:54] * dclarke thinks "boyd?  look under small rocks "
[07:53:55] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:Your drink awaits you..
[07:54:25] <Tpenta> boyd: edward is offerring you alcohol (wonder if that will smoke him out ;)
[07:54:44] <edwardocallaghan> nods
[07:54:47] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[07:55:06] <dclarke> roll a nickle down the hallway
[07:55:16] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[07:55:29] <dclarke> or better yet .. slide a case of beer on a teflon skid
[07:55:59] <edwardocallaghan> lol, tap of water pipes
[07:56:05] <dclarke> # zoneadm list -vc
[07:56:07] <dclarke>   ID NAME             STATUS         PATH
[07:56:08] <dclarke>    0 global           running        /
[07:56:10] <dclarke>    2 packages         running        /zone/packages
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[07:56:14] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  give me a zone name
[07:56:21] <Tpenta> hello fish (gets in first ;)
[07:56:33] <edwardocallaghan> death-start
[07:56:47] <dclarke> no long weird names
[07:56:55] <dclarke> no dashes
[07:57:00] <dclarke> no digits first
[07:57:11] <Fish> hello
[07:57:28] <edwardocallaghan> pepsi
[07:57:35] <dclarke> pepsi ?
[07:57:43] <dclarke> you want a brandname ?
[07:57:59] <edwardocallaghan> well its a name, i know for sure. They call a drink by it
[07:58:09] <dclarke> vodka ?
[07:58:13] <dclarke> scotch ?
[07:58:23] <dclarke> guinness
[07:58:27] <dclarke> now there's a name
[07:58:32] <Tpenta> booze
[07:58:43] <edwardocallaghan> moonshine
[07:58:59] <edwardocallaghan> Although I am Irish
[07:58:59] <dclarke> moonshine
[07:59:14] <dclarke> not exactly 8 chars .. but thats okay
[07:59:21] <edwardocallaghan> moonshine it is
[07:59:38] <Tpenta> not guiness ?
[07:59:54] <dclarke> two n's
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[08:00:26] <Tpenta> yea
[08:00:43] <edwardocallaghan> Now I woulnt want to stereotype myself
[08:00:45] <dclarke> I think the man wants moonshine
[08:01:23] <edwardocallaghan> I do like stars and you prob can see lots when you drink the stuff ?
[08:01:54] <edwardocallaghan> or a large white object moving fast towards you
[08:02:01] <edwardocallaghan> yes that is a car head light
[08:02:19] <Tpenta> just remember that the light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming train
[08:02:37] <edwardocallaghan> indeed
[08:03:06] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you want a light zone .. tied to the global zone or a full-blazes everything is mine zone ?
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[08:03:55] <edwardocallaghan> Have don't done so much with zones yet.. still what are the limits of a light
[08:04:09] <edwardocallaghan> or should i just go with the everything is mine ?
[08:04:23] <dclarke> well ... a smallish zone inherits a lot of stuff from the global zone
[08:04:36] <dclarke> like /usr stuff
[08:04:44] <edwardocallaghan> If I am prob going to complie on it ?
[08:04:58] <edwardocallaghan> maybe, only for SPARC builds
[08:04:59] <dclarke> you going to overwrite /usr ?
[08:05:02] <dclarke> or /lib ?
[08:05:13] <dclarke> whoa .. let's talk
[08:05:18] <edwardocallaghan> no
[08:05:34] <dclarke> will this box need to build snv?  ON ? etc ?
[08:05:42] <edwardocallaghan> I don't really plan to do any complies at all
[08:05:48] <dclarke> if so .. you need dedicated hardware
[08:05:51] <edwardocallaghan> no !
[08:06:00] <dclarke> okay .. so then .. back to small zones
[08:06:05] <edwardocallaghan> not at all
[08:06:31] <dclarke> essentailly you will inherit your /usr /lib /sbin /platform from the Global zone
[08:06:33] <Doc> woot.. Bill Gates is no longer the worlds richest man!
[08:06:38] <edwardocallaghan> if i did so a build on it, it would be not much more then a hello world
[08:06:43] <dclarke> when I patch the Global zone .. you get patches also
[08:06:57] <edwardocallaghan> Doc:who is?
[08:07:03] <dclarke> I'll break out /opt separate
[08:07:03] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Hey
[08:07:10] <Doc> Carlos Slim
[08:07:12] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:Hey..
[08:07:16] * dclarke thinks the case of beer must have worked
[08:07:17] <boyd_> Tpenta: Thanks for the pointer :)
[08:07:44] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:Lets keep it KISS..
[08:07:59] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Sorry, I've been tied up in class. I only have one display mostly today and it's probably not the best thing to be using IRC on the projector in front of class :)
[08:08:21] <edwardocallaghan> yea ;) I hear you there
[08:08:29] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  # touch /etc/hostname.bge2
[08:08:43] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I'll patch you to the world on your own nic
[08:08:51] <Doc> boyd: tied up in class? the students like you that much?
[08:09:00] <boyd_> :)
[08:09:10] <edwardocallaghan> cool, i should only have CMS type ports open and a ssh
[08:09:35] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  no prob .. I set the ipfilter config from Global anyways :-\
[08:09:59] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:what do you like to be called when we meetup for drinks?
[08:10:03] <edwardocallaghan> boyd ?
[08:10:20] <boyd_> Works for me.. that's what my mother calls me :)
[08:10:27] <boyd_> (and everyone else)
[08:10:46] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Where are you gonna be? Still Ormond?
[08:10:47] <cmihai> Your mother calls you "boyd"? :-)
[08:10:48] <edwardocallaghan> Oh, I don't know anyone in England called that you see ..
[08:10:57] <cmihai> Cruel world we live in :D
[08:11:11] <edwardocallaghan> Yea in Ormond around the coner from Maccers and KFC
[08:11:11] <boyd_> cmihai: Well, I suspect she says it with an upper case B....
[08:11:14] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  # zfs create userland/moonshine ; zfs set mountpoint=/zone/moonshine userland/moonshine
[08:11:24] <cmihai> boyd_: ah, that's MUCH better :D
[08:11:41] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Ok, lemme try to think of somewhere around there to have a drink that's not seedy
[08:11:41] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I'm giving you the play by play okay ?  for your further edification
[08:12:23] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:nice one i guess i will have to post your beer over..
[08:12:30] <edwardocallaghan> <This side up>
[08:12:32] * boyd_ is of the rare breed that actually uses his actuall name on IRC actually.
[08:12:35] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  # chown root:root /zone/moonshine;chmod 700 /zone/moonshine
[08:12:43] <cmihai> boyd_: you are not alone :P
[08:12:46] <dclarke> boyd_ :  me too
[08:13:28] <dclarke> eh? er ... edwardocallaghan ?
[08:13:37] <edwardocallaghan> Does that mean I am root of only that zone
[08:13:42] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you will need a hostname in the domain too right ?
[08:13:59] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  like moonshine.blastwave.org ?
[08:14:11] <edwardocallaghan> yea ok
[08:14:22] <dclarke> damn funny hostname .. but okay
[08:14:27] <edwardocallaghan> I don't own a domain name yet
[08:14:40] <edwardocallaghan> be cool
[08:14:46] <dclarke> I have a whack of them .. you want something else ?
[08:14:55] <dclarke> like moonshine.opn4.org ?
[08:15:01] <dclarke> like moonshine.openfor.org ?
[08:15:12] <edwardocallaghan> all the kids around the whack block will this its cool
[08:15:59] <edwardocallaghan> moonshine.opn4.org
[08:16:02] * boyd_ hopes theRealballchalk isn't using his real name
[08:16:11] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  good choice
[08:16:34] <edwardocallaghan> thanks ;) good offer
[08:16:43] <dclarke> damn .. I always get the serial wrong in the dns entries
[08:16:48] <dclarke> 2006103002 ; serial
[08:16:58] <dclarke> that needs to be .. whats today ?
[08:17:12] <dclarke> 2007070301
[08:17:19] <dclarke> yeah .. that will work
[08:17:20] <theRealballchalk> i 'm sure they'll allow visitors
[08:17:33] <theRealballchalk> woops wrong window
[08:18:34] * boyd_ summoned theRealballchalk unintentionally
[08:19:16] <boyd_> dclarke: you know that if you use dns-mode in emacs it will bump the version for you...
[08:19:54] <dclarke> if I use vi then I can move around with the h j k l keys !  :-)
[08:19:59] <dclarke> cool eh ?
[08:20:13] <boyd_> :P
[08:20:21] <edwardocallaghan> I think IE is in the process of exploding right now..
[08:20:49] <boyd_> in vim you can ctrl-a on a number to increment it
[08:21:24] <dclarke> in vi I can hit ESC and the editor stops edit mode and switches to navigate mode
[08:21:42] <dclarke> hit ESC twice and my xterm beeps at me ! :-)
[08:22:16] * boyd_ uses xset b off :)
[08:22:27] * dclarke notes that his shell is /sbin/sh
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[08:22:41] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:nickserv ?
[08:22:42] * boyd_ comiserates.
[08:22:59] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: never mind... just chat here :)
[08:23:16] <edwardocallaghan> Can I get a account ?
[08:23:28] <edwardocallaghan> ok
[08:23:35] <boyd_> with nickserv? Yeah... I think /msg nickserv help
[08:23:49] <boyd_> Anyway, How's that timeframe with you?
[08:24:40] <dclarke> # nslookup moonshine.opn4.org
[08:24:41] <dclarke> Server:         127.0.0.1
[08:24:43] <dclarke> Address:        127.0.0.1#53
[08:24:46] <dclarke> Name:   moonshine.opn4.org
[08:24:47] <dclarke> Address: 66.225.151.253
[08:25:17] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :   give that some time to get around town
[08:26:24] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: ping?
[08:26:39] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Are you callable?
[08:27:34] <edwardocallaghan> pong I jusr registered
[08:27:36] <dclarke> anyone know how to specify a netmask for a zone interface ?
[08:27:47] <dclarke> set netmask=foo ?
[08:28:59] <dclarke> set netmask=255.255.255.224  that doesn't work ...
[08:29:00] <dclarke> oh well
[08:29:23] <razrX> dclarke: it's been a while since i did anything with zones, but doesn't zonecfg support CIDR notations ?
[08:29:48] <razrX> so when you assign your IP you just use ip/mast
[08:29:49] <razrX> mask*
[08:29:50] <dclarke> not that I can see
[08:29:58] <dclarke> oh ..
[08:30:04] <dclarke>   foo/27
[08:30:05] <dclarke> okay
[08:30:10] <razrX> yah, for example
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[08:30:18] <razrX> just guessing here though
[08:30:24] <dclarke> set address=66.225.151.253/27
[08:30:28] <dclarke> that worked
[08:30:32] <razrX> *nods*
[08:30:35] <razrX> good
[08:30:47] <dclarke> big question is .. is it right ?  :-)
[08:30:54] <razrX> lol
[08:30:58] <dclarke> let me think ..  1110 0000
[08:31:07] <dclarke> yep .. /27 is right
[08:31:14] <razrX> *nods again*
[08:31:16] <dclarke> good wild guess on my part
[08:31:33] <dclarke> thanks for the heads up !
[08:31:41] <razrX> yw
[08:32:02] * boyd_ runs out the door, hoping he can call edwardocallaghan
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[08:32:29] <edwardocallaghan> 3 questions, 1.)how to trun off the wrong password delay on the login screen on Solaris? 2.) how to add a shutdown option and 3.)how to make auto logic work?
[08:33:02] <edwardocallaghan> 042080 /. 6324
[08:33:12] <edwardocallaghan> 042080 /. 6324
[08:33:23] <edwardocallaghan> IE is just crap really
[08:34:50] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  http://rafb.net/p/XxE7S455.txt
[08:35:08] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you're at the top of that subnet
[08:35:33] <Tpenta> dennis, so, do you think we are due anothe rgplv3 flamefest?
[08:35:54] <dclarke> oh gosh .. no
[08:35:58] <dclarke> let's not do that
[08:36:09] <dclarke> but the bloody thing was released
[08:36:26] <dclarke> and .. oh I guess we will be stuck dealing with it
[08:37:03] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  Copying <15594> files to the zone.
[08:37:08] <Tpenta> true
[08:37:54] <dclarke> I certainly didn't want a flamfet .. but I was working on porting GRUB2 over to sol-x86
[08:38:15] <dclarke> and the developers I was working with said they won't do putbacks unless the code is under GPLv3
[08:38:22] <dclarke> and thus .. the impact starts already
[08:38:23] <Tpenta> uhuh
[08:39:03] <Triskelios> edwardocallaghan: svcadm disable cde-login && svcadm enable gdm ... then run gdmsetup
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[08:39:58] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[08:40:09] <edwardocallaghan> that nice login screen will go then ?
[08:40:22] <edwardocallaghan> with a standard gdm one ?
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[08:42:36] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  http://rafb.net/p/0R41ep99.txt
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[08:43:11] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  its the middle of the night here .. so ..
[08:43:24] <edwardocallaghan> Oh sorry about that
[08:43:29] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  on rare occasion I actually sleep
[08:43:32] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks for this
[08:43:59] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:rare, very rare
[08:44:00] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I will need to patch an etherent cable from bge2 to the Cisco switch tomorrow and then check my firewall for rules
[08:44:03] <Triskelios> edwardocallaghan: the gdm theme looks about the same as the dtlogin one (actually slightly better)
[08:44:06] <edwardocallaghan> I'm the same way
[08:44:31] <dclarke> computer programmers and sysadmins are totally witout respect for the clock
[08:44:55] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  its 50% complete
[08:45:06] <razrX> dclarke: lol, gamers are too i suppose
[08:45:20] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I should just stay up and watch the install complete and then finish the install
[08:47:21] <edwardocallaghan> I can email you a ASCII beer
[08:47:37] <Tpenta> @]
[08:48:52] <dclarke> I need ASCII coffee
[08:51:03] <edwardocallaghan> how long does it take ?
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[08:51:19] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  http://rafb.net/p/NNARFK81.txt
[08:51:23] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  done
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[08:52:43] <edwardocallaghan> ice ;)
[08:52:47] <edwardocallaghan> nice
[08:53:18] <dclarke> now I need to boot that and do setup
[08:53:19] <edwardocallaghan> Has anyone notice that the curser jumps about in browers these days !
[08:55:13] <edwardocallaghan> computer says no
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[08:56:10] <palowoda> You know your in trouble when your talking to your computer.
[08:56:47] <dclarke> # zoneadm -z moonshine boot
[08:57:26] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  SMF stuff starting
[08:57:37] <edwardocallaghan> palowoda:my mum says it normal
[08:58:10] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:I let you know when I get a ping
[08:58:11] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  # zlogin -C -e\@ moonshine    then   [Connected to zone 'moonshine' console]
[08:58:26] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you won't get a ping until tomorrow
[08:58:36] <edwardocallaghan> ok
[08:58:39] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I have to hook up the etehrent cable
[08:58:42] <dclarke> ethernet
[08:58:51] <edwardocallaghan> cool
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[08:59:15] <edwardocallaghan> what ports are open by default ?
[08:59:16] <dclarke> you need any special locale ?
[08:59:36] <edwardocallaghan> sorry ?
[08:59:45] <dclarke> do you need Ireland (English) (UTF-8)  ??
[08:59:56] <dclarke> or Ireland (ISO8859-15 - Euro)
[09:00:11] <dclarke> tell ya what .. we can start with  English (C - 7-bit ASCII)
[09:00:43] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  ports ... I'll open up port 22 for ssh for sure
[09:01:10] <edwardocallaghan> normal, i am use to British
[09:01:22] <dclarke> oh .. what time zone do you want ?
[09:01:51] <edwardocallaghan> Sydney
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[09:02:15] <dclarke> Sydney ?
[09:02:27] <dclarke> is that South Australia ?
[09:02:28] <Tpenta> ed, you are in sydney? I thought you were going to perth?
[09:02:55] <edwardocallaghan> I will need to setup AMP, got to learn how to do that
[09:03:07] <edwardocallaghan> I live and study in the ACT at the moment
[09:03:07] <Tpenta> dennis,.... Australia/NSW
[09:03:17] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/tYYDXC28.html
[09:03:18] <Tpenta> or Australia/ACT ;)
[09:03:23] <dclarke> Tpenta :  thanks
[09:03:47] <dclarke> so New South Wales - most locations ??
[09:03:51] <edwardocallaghan> But I am visiting Melbourne
[09:04:01] <edwardocallaghan> yes
[09:04:10] <dclarke>     Time zone: New South Wales - most locations
[09:04:11] <edwardocallaghan> Does not matter that much
[09:04:12] <dclarke>                (Australia/NSW)
[09:04:29] <Doc> yah
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[09:04:44] <dclarke> rebooting system due to change(s) in /etc/default/init
[09:04:45] <Doc> it's another way of saying "other than Broken Hill, which seems to think it's in South Australia"
[09:04:51] <dclarke> [NOTICE: Zone rebooting]
[09:05:02] <dclarke> SunOS Release 5.10 Version Generic_125100-08 64-bit
[09:05:04] <dclarke> Copyright 1983-2007 Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
[09:05:05] <dclarke> Use is subject to license terms.
[09:05:07] <dclarke> Hostname: moonshine
[09:05:15] <dclarke> moonshine console login:
[09:05:18] <Doc> tpenta: do you know if the NZ daylight savings changes are being handled?
[09:05:30] <Tpenta> there are NZ DST changes?
[09:05:34] <Doc> yup
[09:05:43] <Doc> need tzdata2007f by the end of September
[09:06:20] <edwardocallaghan> why is there a load of DST patches going around ?
[09:06:21] <dclarke> # date
[09:06:22] <dclarke> Tue Jul  3 17:06:03 EST 2007
[09:06:28] <dclarke> well that's bloody wrong
[09:06:29] <Doc> Tuesday July  3 17:06:11 EST 2007
[09:06:43] <Tpenta> no that's right dennis
[09:06:44] <dclarke> is that correct ?
[09:06:45] <Doc> not from where i sit it's not
[09:06:49] <dclarke> EST ?
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[09:06:58] <Doc> well, your locale looks like it's set to C rather than the australian one
[09:07:04] <dclarke> okay ..
[09:07:06] <Doc> Eastern Standard Time
[09:07:26] <Tpenta> doc: CR 6554586
[09:07:29] <dclarke> TZ=Australia/NSW
[09:07:37] <dclarke> that is in /etc/default/init
[09:08:19] <Doc> tpenta: ahh.. cool
[09:08:52] <edwardocallaghan> I don't think the timezone is critial ?
[09:08:54] <Tpenta> looks delivered
[09:08:59] <Tpenta> but I don't see patches
[09:09:21] <Doc> probably delivered in NV, but nobody bothered thinking about patches
[09:09:22] <Tpenta> hang on thats the java one
[09:09:51] <Doc> 6542933
[09:10:00] <Tpenta> 6542933
[09:10:02] <Tpenta> yea
[09:10:05] <Doc> after i put the search terms in the right field i actually found it
[09:10:08] <edwardocallaghan> btw
[09:10:21] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:what ever happend to Polaris?
[09:10:23] <Tpenta> done in nevavda not yet integrated elsewhere
[09:10:28] <Doc> patches for 10 and 9 - don't see any for 8 or any infodocs
[09:10:46] <Tpenta> oh interesting, the bugs have not been updated to reflect that for 9&10
[09:10:53] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  ask me when I'm not dead tired
[09:11:05] <Doc> i dont exactly have access to sunsoftpatch.eng any more...
[09:11:42] <Tpenta> :)
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[09:12:20] <Tpenta> you could always pull the tz fioles from nevada and make them for 8,9,10 ;)
[09:12:23] <Mark__T> isn't libelf large file aware?
[09:14:01] <Doc> tpenta: i dont actually care if it's in solaris or not - only if it's in FreeBSD or not!
[09:14:17] <Tpenta> :)
[09:14:22] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:Have a very good night
[09:14:28] <Tpenta> t-patch for sol 8 available shortly
[09:14:33] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I'm not done yet
[09:14:49] <dclarke> I don't have a user name for you
[09:14:54] <dclarke> I'll register myself for now
[09:14:59] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[09:15:00] <dclarke> you have my email addr
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[09:15:09] <edwardocallaghan> i may have?
[09:15:20] <dclarke> geez ... dclarke at blastwave dor org
[09:15:26] <dclarke> geez ... dclarke at blastwave dot org
[09:15:31] <edwardocallaghan> yea ok
[09:15:38] <edwardocallaghan> just cheaking
[09:15:43] <dclarke> please make your subject LINE ALL CAPITALS OR I MAY MISS IT
[09:16:01] <dclarke> certainly before my first cup of coffee I have been know to delete stuff
[09:16:14] <dclarke> Jul  3 17:15:57 moonshine snmpXdmid: Registration with DMI failed. err = 831.
[09:16:19] <dclarke> I wonder what that was
[09:17:04] <dclarke> what does nslookup moonshine.opn4.org  return for you there ?
[09:18:00] <Tpenta> Name:   moonshine.opn4.org
[09:18:00] <Tpenta> Address: 66.225.151.253
[09:18:13] <dclarke> nice fast DNS servers eh ?
[09:18:24] <Tpenta> :)
[09:18:44] <twincest> hmm, iscsiadm is hanging trying to set chap secret
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[09:19:56] <timeless> anyone here ever had the dns resolver fail to start?
[09:20:33] <timeless> oops, brb
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[09:20:47] <Tpenta> mu.
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[09:21:10] <Tpenta> thge question does not make sense. dns client is done thru a library and nscd, not a daemon
[09:22:48] <timeless> svc:/network/dns/client:default (DNS resolver)
[09:22:53] <renihs> ya i havent figured out *what* the dns resolver actually does
[09:23:06] <timeless> State: offline since Sun Apr 22 ...
[09:23:06] <Tpenta> sounds like a caching server
[09:23:09] <Tpenta> perhaps
[09:23:14] <timeless> Reason: Unknown.
[09:23:24] <renihs> timeless, i doubt you need it :p
[09:23:31] <Tpenta> disabled on my woirkstation
[09:23:37] <timeless> see: http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-AR
[09:24:01] <timeless> see: man -M /usr/share/man -s 3RESOLV resolver
[09:24:49] <timeless> renihs: well um... for whatever reasons, my box has been relatively unhappy at times
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[09:25:27] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/kE0Hdg17.txt  that's done for now
[09:26:42] <edwardocallaghan> Thats nice, thats dclarke !
[09:27:09] <edwardocallaghan> :%s/thats/thanks/
[09:27:30] <dclarke> okay .. the rest we can sort out tomorrow or at least after the little hand on the clock twirls a bit
[09:28:42] <dclarke> so thats it for me ... I'm a write off for a little while ...
[09:28:45] <edwardocallaghan> nice, many thanks
[09:28:52] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  I'll email ya later ..
[09:28:54] <Tpenta> cul8r dennis
[09:29:01] <dclarke> Tpenta :  nighty yall
[09:29:15] <razrX> nn dclarke
[09:29:36] <dclarke> last word from me is this .. I think that the Zones feature in Solaris makes stuff like this a dream to do .. its sooo damn easy to just create a new server on the fly
[09:29:51] * dclarke falls over in a heap ... of swap
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[09:35:41] <edwardocallaghan> The Zzz file system in dclarke
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[09:57:40] <twincest> hmm, iscsciadm is hanging on semop(0, 0x0803DA94, 1)
[09:57:44] <twincest> what would that suggest?
[09:58:11] <Berny_> something's wrong :-)
[09:58:46] * timeless cries
[09:59:23] <timeless> Requesting System Maintenance Mode
[09:59:37] <timeless> (See /lib/svc/share/README for more information.)
[09:59:46] <timeless> Console login service(s) cannot run
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[10:00:53] * timeless finds that readme fairly useless
[10:03:22] <twincest> this is annoying, it worked fine yesterday :(
[10:03:52] <timeless> what's it?
[10:04:02] <twincest> iscsi initiator
[10:05:05] <twincest> oh now it works fine
[10:08:04] <blueandwhiteg3> Are you guys more helpful than #solaris? :)
[10:08:19] <timeless> if your problem relates to solaris 8, no :)
[10:08:26] <blueandwhiteg3> No, SX CR
[10:08:41] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm new to solaris, but not to unix...
[10:08:42] <blueandwhiteg3> why has xorg.conf been renamed to .xorg.conf ? just to make it invisible in the filesystem?
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[10:10:42] <razrX> blueandwhiteg3: just speculating here but it sounds logical to me that the user knows he's dealing with a system default config file and if he/she wants to override this file, a xorg.conf file needs to be created containing the overrides
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[10:11:26] <razrX> you'd be surprised how many folks just edit the existing xorg.conf on other unix-like OS'es without making a backup of the original
[10:11:46] <blueandwhiteg3> razrX: I certainly need to edit the freaking thing! the stupid nvidia driver seems to fully support my card, but assigned stupidly low resolutions and refresh rates
[10:12:14] <razrX> so, just copy .xorg.conf to xorg.conf and start editing to your needs
[10:13:32] <blueandwhiteg3> yes, i just always hate fighting with xorg.conf... i have spent too much time with os x or linux + i810 drivers
[10:14:29] <razrX> it's been a while since i've played with nVidia hardware and nevada tbh, can't really help you out with that i'm afraid
[10:15:34] <blueandwhiteg3> that's alright... it's not solaris specific, just one of the most hated issues around *nix
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[10:16:22] <razrX> true i suppose
[10:16:41] <blueandwhiteg3> I am so spoiled... i plug in the display, it works
[10:18:31] <Berny_> hmm, did you install the nvidia package or do you use xorgs nv driver?
[10:18:53] <blueandwhiteg3> Berny_: I'm open to advice... there's a bunch of nvidia stuff on there by default
[10:19:04] <blueandwhiteg3> and it managed to create a totally useless xorg.conf file
[10:19:31] <Berny_> check the X log file if it reports using nv or nvidia
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[10:20:17] <blueandwhiteg3> yes, i think at the moment I want to fix /profile to use bash
[10:20:35] <blueandwhiteg3> whatever freaking terminal they use sucks so bad
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[10:23:38] <razrX> blueandwhiteg3: i know later nevada builds come shipped with the nvdia-xconfig utility (part from the NVDAgraphics package) ... maybe that'll help you setting up a correct X config file
[10:23:58] <blueandwhiteg3> i'm running the latest
[10:24:09] <blueandwhiteg3> it was nvidia-xconfig that made a screwed over xorg.conf in the first place
[10:24:20] <razrX> kk
[10:24:32] <blueandwhiteg3> i'm going to fix the profile first... this sun terminal is going AWAY
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[10:27:25] <timsf> hi all
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[10:28:52] <blueandwhiteg3> Does anybody have suggestions for fixing /etc/profile so that all terminals are bash? What I have tried appears to be failing, unless a reboot is required....
[10:29:15] <Berny_> set the users shell to bash
[10:29:37] <blueandwhiteg3> I am so aggravated by the sun-crap-shell that I want it applied to the entire system
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[10:30:45] <Berny_> usermod -s /bin/bash username  should do
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[10:31:09] <Berny_> hey damien
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[10:33:48] <damienc> hi
[10:34:00] <blueandwhiteg3> Does anybody have a virgin copy of /etc/profile ?
[10:35:23] <Berny_> sure
[10:35:47] <damienc> it'll be in your install media: SUNWcsr
[10:36:04] <damienc> you can simply view or copy that one.
[10:37:44] <razrX> damienc: best advice one could give to that question IMO
[10:37:44] <blueandwhiteg3> I have the disc... I don't see a directory called SUNWcsr
[10:38:25] <damienc> look for Solaris_11/Product/SUNWcsr/reloc
[10:38:38] <razrX> blueandwhiteg3: mount the ISO and look under /path/to/mount/Solaris_11/Product
[10:39:17] <razrX> ignore that, damienc's advice is best :)
[10:39:45] <damienc> razrX: you got the paths at the start, I got the dirs at the end - combine the advice I say!
[10:39:57] <razrX> lol
[10:40:02] <razrX> *agrees*
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[10:40:49] <blueandwhiteg3> the file is very different from the one on my system
[10:41:01] <Viking667> can someone tell me the diff between DE and CE for SolarisExpress?
[10:41:02] <blueandwhiteg3> oh wait
[10:41:40] <Triskelios> Viking667: official DE releases are less frequent, but essentially they're just different install options
[10:42:11] <Viking667> ... but what does "DE" actually stand for?
[10:42:18] <damienc> Developer Express
[10:42:18] <Triskelios> developer edition
[10:42:18] <Viking667> ... and, for that matter, CE?
[10:42:19] <Triskelios> err
[10:42:23] <damienc> Community Edition
[10:42:24] <Triskelios> damienc is right
[10:43:03] <Viking667> so, with Developer, you'd get say, GCC or Sun Studio, and what for CE?
[10:43:23] <damienc> gcc is part of core Solaris so that is in both
[10:43:28] <Viking667> m.
[10:43:34] <damienc> Sun Studio and NetBeans are only in Developer.
[10:43:48] * Viking667 is having his own private wee battle with Solaris and a sound blaster Vibra16.
[10:44:12] <Viking667> ah huh. So where's there a listing of what is in each?
[10:45:13] <damienc> might be an FAQ item somewhere
[10:45:16] * damienc has a quick look
[10:47:15] <Triskelios> I haven't noticed anything aside from Studio and NetBeans; there's a script on the DVD to install them seperately if you used the SXCE option
[10:47:38] <trs81> http://developers.sun.com/sxde/faq.jsp#q_1
[10:48:42] <Viking667> looking now
[10:49:52] <damienc> trs81: thanks for that.
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[10:50:17] <blueandwhiteg3> Is there a nice bit of code to export all the proper paths for blastdown.org?
[10:50:58] <Berny_> PATH=/opt/csw/bin:$PATH ?
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[10:52:11] <blueandwhiteg3> yes, yes, i know how to do that... i was wondering if somebody had put together a nice little thing that checks for superuser and assigns /opt/csw/sbin, handles man, etc
[10:52:17] <blueandwhiteg3> just a plug and chug for all users
[10:52:31] <Triskelios> blueandwhiteg3: PATH and SUPATH are seperate in /etc/default/login
[10:53:15] <Triskelios> I use PATH=/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/sfw/sbin:/opt/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/sbin:/opt/csw/bin:/opt/csw/sbin
[10:55:10] <Viking667> trs81: yes, thank you for that. That document explained it clearly.
[10:57:49] <blueandwhiteg3> How do I load the GUI from the full screen terminal mode?
[10:57:53] <blueandwhiteg3> startx doesn't exit....
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[10:58:32] <blueandwhiteg3> *exist
[10:58:46] <Triskelios> svcadm enable gdm or cde-login
[10:58:53] <damienc> gnome-session I think
[10:59:16] * Viking667 checks on a Solaris
[11:00:03] <Tempt> Triskelios: No /opt/SUNWspro/bin in that big path?
[11:00:45] <blueandwhiteg3> svcadm enable gdm seems to do it... though it gives different feedback than the normal login
[11:00:56] <blueandwhiteg3> and i think my xorg.conf is still borked...
[11:00:58] <Triskelios> Tempt: oh right, that's on a machine without Studio. I have :/opt/onbld/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin on others
[11:01:01] <Viking667> hm. gdm2-login here
[11:01:20] <blueandwhiteg3> Does anybody know what the little nvidia GUI app is supposed to do?
[11:01:33] <Tempt> Triskelios: Indeed.
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[11:02:47] <Triskelios> blueandwhiteg3: it configures GL settings, external monitors, temperature, overclock, etc.
[11:03:21] <blueandwhiteg3> Hmm, none of which are actually useful. I'm still waiting for the application that just plain 'works' with detecting resolutions etc....
[11:04:06] <Triskelios> it works fine here. I can hotplug any external monitor  or projector that supports DDC
[11:06:23] <blueandwhiteg3> Really? Is there something I am missing?
[11:06:53] <blueandwhiteg3> It seems the nvidia-xconfig is calling non-existant modules in the xorg.conf file... are there more nvidia drivers for sun of which i am not aware?
[11:07:01] <blueandwhiteg3> like xtsol
[11:07:59] <Triskelios> that module is for the trusted solaris extensions iirc, you can ignore that (nothing bad happens if it can't load it)
[11:08:11] <_basta_> blueandwhiteg3: go to nvidia site.
[11:08:39] <_basta_> they released , i`ve found on the blogs how to use those, etc
[11:09:05] <_basta_> since i got nvidia 6150 which doesnt work with nevada 65
[11:09:44] <blueandwhiteg3> I have the 6150
[11:10:18] <blueandwhiteg3> i have the latest, which i believe is 67
[11:11:04] <Triskelios> probably has a near-current nvidia driver. if the driver is working there usually isn't a good reason to upgrade it
[11:12:05] <_basta_> http://www.dodd.org/blog/2007/03/solaris-10-is-rockin/
[11:12:07] <blueandwhiteg3> well, it's not working right... it's generating xorg.conf files that don't work at all
[11:12:16] <_basta_> strange, i should get more recent solaris maybe
[11:12:19] <blueandwhiteg3> wow, nvidia has nice and fast servers
[11:12:25] <blueandwhiteg3> ~1.6 MB/sec
[11:12:38] <_basta_> 65 didnt recognsised my 6150 gpu
[11:13:17] <Triskelios> blueandwhiteg3: the nvidia driver might be using outdated directory paths in the config files
[11:13:33] <blueandwhiteg3> the new one?
[11:13:35] <Triskelios> blueandwhiteg3: if you start X without an xorg.conf, does it work?
[11:13:51] <blueandwhiteg3> I was running x before, using .xorg.conf
[11:14:14] <Triskelios> blueandwhiteg3: okay, it's best to use that as a basis and copy what you need from the nvidia generated one
[11:14:43] <Triskelios>  /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA/README.txt lists all of the driver options
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[11:16:00] <blueandwhiteg3> alright, i'm trying to fix and reboot
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[11:16:11] <Berny_> just an unrelated question: is it allowed to use a ; to separate multiple addresses in the cc filed of a mail header?
[11:16:57] <blueandwhiteg3> I still continue to be amazed at either how hard Xorg must be to auto-configure or how amazing operating systems like OS X that auto-detect everything properly must be...
[11:17:58] <nightswim> well OS X is written for a small subset of hardware specs innit
[11:18:13] <blueandwhiteg3> it's amazing, it manages to work pretty darn well on generic hardware
[11:18:28] <blueandwhiteg3> wooo! the new drivers did wonders
[11:18:52] <blueandwhiteg3> i seriously don't know what changed... i reverted back to the previous configuration file and it's looking nice
[11:18:59] <blueandwhiteg3> though for some reason gnome-volume-manager crashed
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[11:20:43] <blueandwhiteg3> alright, the only problem here is that the refresh rates are way wrong
[11:20:55] <blueandwhiteg3> 56 hz is 85 hz
[11:21:02] <blueandwhiteg3> 57 hz is 60 hz
[11:21:07] <blueandwhiteg3> at one resolution
[11:21:13] <blueandwhiteg3> oh well, i don't really care that much....
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[11:22:31] <blueandwhiteg3> The nvidia xserver app also looks much, much better
[11:22:50] <Triskelios> the nvidia driver often reports fake refresh rates (to support rotation using them as an index, I think)..
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[11:23:21] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm surprised how... featured.... the drivers are
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[11:25:18] <blueandwhiteg3> Are these drivers' unique to solaris, or substantially similar under linux?
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[11:26:45] <twincest> i unconfigured a disk with cfgadm
[11:26:48] <twincest> how do i get it back? :)
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[11:29:36] <blueandwhiteg3> Despite the latest drivers and a great looking display, I still see sort of artifacting in terminal
[11:30:09] <Tpenta> you are not alone, i see it too
[11:30:14] <blueandwhiteg3> Oh, great
[11:30:21] <blueandwhiteg3> So it's an actual bug....
[11:30:46] <dlg> or a feature
[11:30:49] <blueandwhiteg3> I do rather like these nvidia drivers, now that they are working properly. I have no idea what was wrong before. Now I have realtime GPU image sharpening!
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[11:30:58] <dlg> i used to get artifacts in windows on nvidia cards
[11:30:59] <blueandwhiteg3> oh yes, "to keep you on your toes"
[11:31:01] <dlg> running putty
[11:31:15] * Tpenta is seeing it on his ati anmd on his sparc boxen
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[11:31:51] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:Run gnome-session from a failsafe session and you'll probably see error messages related to the messed up fonts.
[11:32:04] <blueandwhiteg3> And what will this tell me?
[11:32:16] <blueandwhiteg3> Something fixable?
[11:32:23] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:I don't know.
[11:32:40] * bnitz is about to do it now.  I saw those error messages and forgot what they said.
[11:32:40] <blueandwhiteg3> Does solaris support 6 channels sound?
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[11:33:01] <Berny_> blueandwhiteg3: check the oss sound drivers
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[11:33:54] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm used to alsa? I don't think that works under linux?
[11:34:08] * Berny_ don't like alsa
[11:34:28] <blueandwhiteg3> I didn't say that I like it... only that i'm used to it!
[11:34:55] <vmlemon> What's wrong with SunAudio? At least for me, it works flawlessly
[11:35:18] <trs81> blueandwhiteg3: nvidia's drivers are largely the same across linux/solaris/windows
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[11:35:24] <Berny_> sunaudio does only support a limited number of audio devices
[11:35:34] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm trying to ascertain multi-channel support, mostly the question is yes or no
[11:35:43] <blueandwhiteg3> It's not that important, really, but I am curious
[11:35:48] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm learning about solaris
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[11:36:40] <razrX> Berny_: don't the HD designated audio drivers support 6 channel sound ? (if output from 'modinfo|grep audio' report using the HD Audio Driver)
[11:36:45] <_basta_> blueandwhiteg3: drivers helped?
[11:36:55] <_basta_> u used which release?
[11:37:02] * _basta_ got 6150 too
[11:37:10] <Berny_> razrX: dunno... don't have such hardware :-)
[11:37:19] <blueandwhiteg3> _basta_: with video? yes, vastly... latest nvidia, with latest SXCE 67
[11:37:43] <razrX> me neither but someone posted on opensol-discuss about it
[11:37:44] <blueandwhiteg3> _basta_: I reverted back to the default xorg.conf after installing the new drivers, rebooted, and it was like magic!
[11:37:53] <blueandwhiteg3> i am going to worship at the throne of nvidia now!
[11:38:26] <razrX> blueandwhiteg3: nvidia has been doing lots more for the opensource community as opposed to amd/ati IMHO
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[11:38:38] <razrX> i always choose nvidia hw
[11:38:51] <razrX> for gfx that is
[11:39:09] <blueandwhiteg3> i've preferred i810 for full open source.... and it always works so well, out of the box... but the added controls are nice
[11:39:23] <blueandwhiteg3> i have the solaris box on a CRT, and a very light sharpening does so much
[11:39:24] <razrX> *nods*
[11:39:41] <_basta_> ati 1950 pro is good for its money.but drivers from ati....
[11:39:47] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:The text rendering thing I saw is in gnome-terminal, but I didn't see any messages related to what is wrong with the fonts.  It's logged as bug 6566332.
[11:40:04] <blueandwhiteg3> bnitz: great, how annoying. any substitutes?
[11:40:17] <bnitz> xterm?
[11:40:59] <razrX> aterm?
[11:41:01] <_basta_> rxvt?
[11:41:02] <razrX> rxvt
[11:41:08] <razrX> Eterm ? ;)
[11:41:21] <_basta_> multi-term, or how its called
[11:41:24] <razrX> sorry, got carried away (loves enlightenment)
[11:41:26] <_basta_> with tabs
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[11:41:49] <bnitz> On my machine xterm doesn't have this problem which leads me to suspect the anti-aliasing which leads me to a possible workaround...
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[11:42:25] <blueandwhiteg3> hmm... well, i have audio out, but i can't tell if it's 6 channel or not
[11:42:42] <blueandwhiteg3> it seems the 6 channel audio out is only pings on the mobo, with no actual ports
[11:42:51] <bnitz>  blueandwhiteg3: Try this:In gnome-terminal, edit current profile.  Uncheck "Use the system fixed width font".  Set the font to something like monospace 12.
[11:42:52] <razrX> blueandwhiteg3: what's output of 'modinfo |grep audio' ?
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[11:45:33] <blueandwhiteg3> razrX: one sec...
[11:45:46] <blueandwhiteg3> anybody, is there a proper way to cleanly restart services under solaris?
[11:45:54] <blueandwhiteg3> or rather, a given service, i.e. sshd
[11:45:56] <Berny_> scvadm restart
[11:47:12] <blueandwhiteg3> Berny_: thanks
[11:47:17] <blueandwhiteg3> razrX: 149 fffffffff825c000   7940  65   1  audiohd (HD Audio Driver1.11)
[11:47:17] <blueandwhiteg3> 151 fffffffff81d3000   3c08   -   1  audiosup (Audio Device Support 1.24)
[11:48:37] <blueandwhiteg3> bnitz: monospace 12, don't use system font does not fix it
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[11:49:35] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:Yes, I just noticed that there is still a little corruption.  Try setting the terminal font back to system font, then set the system font to monochrome.  The font's look ugly, but I don't see the corruption at all now.
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[11:50:53] <blueandwhiteg3> bnitz: what's wild is that even changing the font, you keep corruption in the same places!
[11:51:19] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:Maybe you're seeing a different bug than I am.
[11:51:35] <blueandwhiteg3> not to monochrome (i didn't test that)
[11:51:59] <blueandwhiteg3> razrX: comments?
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[11:53:34] <blueandwhiteg3> bnitz: i'd rather have some anti-aliasing with a few artifacts than no anti-aliasing, i tend to think... even though freetype / gnome kerning and rendering sucks terribly
[11:56:35] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm going to use this machine as a file server via NFS... are there any concerns around gigabit throughput and tweaking TCP/IP?
[11:57:00] <bnitz> blueandwhiteg3:The default monochrome fonts don't look too bad.  I'd almost say they look anti-aliased, but that may be blur from my eyes or the screen.
[11:59:06] <blueandwhiteg3> I tend to think / hope that solaris would be properly configured for efficient utilization of gigabit ethernet? I guess we will find out in a minute with iperf....
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[12:14:47] <blueandwhiteg3> how can i make solaris renew its DHCP lease?
[12:17:33] <timsf> According to the ifconfig man page, there's an "extend" command, but it says this isn't required as the agent will automatically extend the lease before it expires.
[12:17:42] <timsf> Haven't tried this myself though.
[12:19:50] <SYS64738> is it possible to copy/dubplicate a zone ?
[12:22:24] <timsf> SYS64738 yeah, zone clone
[12:22:29] <timsf> see the zoneadm man page
[12:22:41] <SYS64738> thanks
[12:23:34] <blueandwhiteg3> timsf: i tried things and then rebooted....
[12:23:39] <blueandwhiteg3> it was all happy after that
[12:23:50] <blueandwhiteg3> however, it appears iperf is not readily available for solaris?
[12:24:07] <blueandwhiteg3> the iperf site only has solaris 7 and 8 binaries which seem a bit old
[12:24:07] <timsf> What's iperf ?
[12:24:24] <blueandwhiteg3> http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/
[12:24:27] <timsf> Never mind, google told me
[12:24:45] <blueandwhiteg3> is there an equivalent for solaris of which i'm not aware? or i will go compile it myself...
[12:24:46] <timsf> Dunno - seanmcg around ?
[12:24:56] <timsf> He'd know./
[12:28:08] <Tempt> Solaris 7 and 8 binaries should run fine.
[12:28:23] <seanmcg> eh ?
[12:28:48] <seanmcg> Ya, iperf from then should work..
[12:28:48] <Tempt> If it runs on Sol7 or Sol8, it should run on 10.
[12:29:05] <blueandwhiteg3> oh, hahaha
[12:29:10] <blueandwhiteg3> these are sparc binaries
[12:29:40] <Tempt> The best sort of binaries!
[12:34:15] <blueandwhiteg3> great, what surprises lie in compiling!
[12:34:22] <seanmcg> Though some of those iperf can use too much cpu..
[12:34:40] <blueandwhiteg3> iperf can use too much cpu?
[12:34:45] <blueandwhiteg3> what do you mean>
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[12:34:53] <blueandwhiteg3> i have an athlon 3400+
[12:35:20] <seanmcg> one of the iperf versions has some bug where it 'uses too much cpu'..  Spends extra time in userland instead of hitting the network...
[12:35:41] <seanmcg> so it kinda becomes a cpu benchmark instead of a network one :)
[12:35:48] <blueandwhiteg3> i'll watch the cpu
[12:38:24] <blueandwhiteg3> alright, attempting to compile, it claims that "C++ compiler cannot create executeables"
[12:38:45] <blueandwhiteg3> i have no gcc
[12:38:50] <blueandwhiteg3> where do i get gcc?
[12:39:02] <Tpenta> it's in /usr/sfw/bin
[12:39:07] <blueandwhiteg3> ugh
[12:39:19] <blueandwhiteg3> alrighty
[12:39:28] <blueandwhiteg3> what other secret paths do i need to add?
[12:39:59] <Tpenta> that should probably get you by, maybe /usr/ccs/bin
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[12:40:17] <jamesd> blueandwhiteg3, lots  solaris is the king of paths :-)
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[12:41:01] <jamesd> blueandwhiteg3, lots  solaris is the king of paths :-) search for common tools in /usr
[12:41:27] <Tpenta> if you can't find something, grep for it in /var/sadm/install/contents
[12:42:58] <blueandwhiteg3> for some reason, it seems to be ignoring that path i added
[12:43:08] <Tpenta> did you export it?
[12:43:32] <blueandwhiteg3> PATH=/opt/csw/bin:/opt/csw/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:$PATH
[12:43:33] <blueandwhiteg3> export PATH
[12:43:44] <Tpenta> interesting
[12:43:51] <blueandwhiteg3> I can reboot!
[12:44:01] <blueandwhiteg3> So far that has solved every other place where I got stuck
[12:44:02] * Tpenta has to go
[12:44:07] <blueandwhiteg3> However, I am getting sick of rebooting...
[12:44:12] <blueandwhiteg3> and solaris is soooo slooow
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[12:44:33] <jamesd> you shouldn't need to reboot, but I too have to leave...
[12:44:45] <blueandwhiteg3> that's what i thought for dhcp renewal...
[12:44:48] <blueandwhiteg3> alright, bye
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[12:48:42] <blueandwhiteg3> does anybody know the best way to get cpu speed under solaris?
[12:48:58] <nightswim> psrinfo
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[12:51:27] <edwardocallaghan> hey
[12:51:41] <blueandwhiteg3> sweet
[12:51:44] <edwardocallaghan> I am a bit stuck with this nic
[12:52:34] <edwardocallaghan> I can ping 127.0.0.1 so ip is working
[12:53:01] <edwardocallaghan> i can ping my own ip 192.168.1.138 so thats seems to be ok
[12:53:09] <seanmcg> 127.0.0.1 has nothing to do with your nic :)
[12:53:11] <edwardocallaghan> but i can't ping www.google.com
[12:53:16] <Stric> neither of them test the nic
[12:53:21] <seanmcg> can you ping your gateway ?
[12:53:25] <edwardocallaghan> i said IP is work
[12:53:26] <Stric> pinging google does
[12:53:31] <edwardocallaghan> as in the stack
[12:53:40] <Stric> edwardocallaghan: it still doesn't test the nic if you ping yourself
[12:53:44] <edwardocallaghan> I think name resolv is the prob
[12:53:47] <seanmcg> Ya, the stack, but neither hits the nic.
[12:54:09] <seanmcg> your gateway may be 192.168.1.254, can you ping that ?
[12:54:10] <edwardocallaghan> auto-magic pops up and stuff
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[12:54:32] <edwardocallaghan> I think my gateway is 192.168.1.1
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[12:54:45] <seanmcg> can you ping 192.168.1.1 then ?
[12:54:46] <edwardocallaghan> thats what it says in windows
[12:55:17] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[12:55:52] <edwardocallaghan> its not my computer I am trying to get a nfo nic up and running and I can't see whats the big deal ?
[12:56:25] <edwardocallaghan> It has got me in a bit of a huff
[12:56:25] <seanmcg> can you ping 192.168.1.1 then ?
[12:56:30] <edwardocallaghan> yes
[12:56:53] <edwardocallaghan> name resolv seeems to be the prob i think
[12:56:54] <seanmcg> can you ping any of the nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[12:57:34] <edwardocallaghan> i am going to ping google from windows put down the ip and try that ?
[12:59:02] <edwardocallaghan> also, how do I add a shutdown option into gdm ?
[12:59:18] <edwardocallaghan> I can't see it in gdmsetup, or am i missing it ?
[12:59:32] <seanmcg> can you ping any of the nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[13:00:22] <edwardocallaghan> not know, i will try on next reboot when the guy comes back and can type the password in
[13:00:36] <edwardocallaghan> if I can't what would the prob be ?
[13:00:59] <Pietro_S> edwardocallaghan: if you want to have shutdown option in loggin screen, you have to move from dtlogin(default) to gdm
[13:01:09] <seanmcg> and lastly does 192.168.1.1 show up as the default gateway from a netstat -rn output (quasi asked this yesterday right ?-)
[13:01:44] <CIA-19> rh87107: 6311428 exacct doesn't account for a process's microstate data when it moves between tasks, 6455548 exacct can double-count an exiting process
[13:01:53] <edwardocallaghan> also what was the command for seace by default again ? svcs minimal or somthing ?
[13:01:56] <CIA-19> jj204856: 6572760 rctladm -d all project.cpu-shares is broken
[13:02:18] <edwardocallaghan> Pietro_S:I did
[13:03:01] <seanmcg> seace ?
[13:04:48] <edwardocallaghan> Pietro_S:But the option is still not there ?
[13:05:29] <edwardocallaghan> I looked in gdmsetup
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[13:06:19] <seanmcg> edwardocallaghan: just hitting the power button once should shutdown the box nicely..
[13:07:04] <edwardocallaghan> It does but, I am not the users and I was intrested anyway
[13:07:43] <seanmcg> the default dtlogin should have a shutdown option..
[13:08:10] <edwardocallaghan> no it does not
[13:08:28] <edwardocallaghan> Oh how do i turn on secure by default ?
[13:08:55] <edwardocallaghan> I don't know why its not on already when you install the SXDE ?
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[13:09:22] <quasi> netservices limited
[13:10:40] <fluffle> quasi: hm?
[13:11:46] <edwardocallaghan> quasi:thats the one thanks
[13:12:03] <edwardocallaghan> quasi: will that affect a home user ?
[13:12:29] <edwardocallaghan> and what will i need to start for vpanels to work ?
[13:12:32] * quasi has no idea what a "home user" is
[13:12:38] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
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[13:13:04] <edwardocallaghan> browes the net , bittorrent etc..
[13:14:40] <timsf> Nope, it just turns services off on your machine, it doesn't block outgoing traffic in anyway
[13:14:46] <timsf> s/anyway/any way/
[13:14:59] <timsf> You need ipfilter for that.
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[13:18:03] <edwardocallaghan> I know but will it turn anything off like X or anything usful ?
[13:18:13] <edwardocallaghan> I already turn off sendmail
[13:18:24] <timsf> It turns off remote display to X.
[13:18:33] <timsf> as in
[13:18:40] <timsf> % ssh remote machine
[13:18:51] <timsf> remote% export DISPLAY=localmachine:0.0
[13:18:56] <timsf> remote% xterm &
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[13:19:42] <razrX> timsf: i take it you mean that 'netservices limited' sets the -nolisten tcp flag to the Xorg process
[13:19:55] <razrX> amongst many other things
[13:20:02] <timsf> Tohjy/
[13:20:12] <timsf> ("Right" I mean, damn keyboard)
[13:20:22] <razrX> lol
[13:20:39] <timsf> (didn't feel like explaining -nolisten )
[13:20:55] <razrX> well, glad to clear that up to edward
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[13:21:03] <razrX> s/to/for/
[13:21:47] <edwardocallaghan> yea thanks
[13:21:52] <edwardocallaghan> just make sure
[13:21:54] <razrX> no probs, yw
[13:22:41] <edwardocallaghan> i already made a stupid misstake last night with rm -f with H2OH in my blood.. :p
[13:22:57] <fluffle> heh that confused me. i sued to work for a company called "netservices limited"...
[13:23:05] * fluffle goes back to ignoring the conversation
[13:23:06] <razrX> edwardocallaghan: well, totally depends from where you execute that
[13:24:10] <razrX> fluffle: for someone ignoring the conversation, you're sure quick to respond ;)
[13:25:57] <edwardocallaghan> razrX:root is not a good start :p
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[13:26:19] <razrX> edwardocallaghan: *nods*
[13:26:22] <razrX> not really no
[13:26:41] <edwardocallaghan> more *nods*
[13:29:04] <fluffle> razrX: i just happened to be flipping thru the various IRC channels i idle in, trying to kill the 20 minutes before lunch ;)
[13:29:25] <vmlemon> Any KDE users, here?
[13:31:12] <razrX> fluffle: lol
[13:34:17] <edwardocallaghan> edward awaits KDE4.0
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[13:35:42] <vmlemon> Any ideas as to why text doesn't display in any KDE-based app, except Amarok?
[13:36:01] <edwardocallaghan> lib missing, just a guess
[13:36:02] * razrX would like enlightenment dr17 (E17) as 1 of the default available window managers
[13:36:14] <edwardocallaghan> or a X extension ?
[13:36:26] <vmlemon> I installed it from Blastwave packages
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[13:36:57] <vmlemon> Not sure if it makes a difference, or not
[13:37:26] * razrX *hides* (don't want anything to do with blastwave .. and with this i'm sure i've already said more than i should've)
[13:38:28] <Peanut> The latest MacBook pro has an Nvidia GeForce 8600m GT chipset - would that make it more likely to have proper accellerated X and OpenGl while running OpenSolaris on one of those?
[13:39:39] <vmlemon> razrX: What's the problem with Blastwave?
[13:40:29] <razrX> vmlemon: for 1 most (if not all) packages are built for solaris 8 IIRC so they are not as optimized for S10/nevada as they could be
[13:40:47] <razrX> prolly some for solaris 9 as well
[13:41:04] <razrX> and i don't like having "duplicate" libs poluting my nevada boxes
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[13:41:31] <vmlemon> I see
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[13:41:53] <razrX> have you seen how many dependent packages pkg-get installs on your system ?
[13:42:26] <vmlemon> I've seen a lot of Blastwave packages being "semi-installed" as of late
[13:42:59] <razrX> i know what most ppl say at that time ... if Sun only would have a complete repository with up2date binary packages than we wouldn't have to resort to using alternatives like blastwave ... (no comment on that one from me)
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[13:44:13] <vmlemon> I'm still new to *Solaris, but a repository system full of up-to-date (as in, latest release) packages
[13:44:19] <vmlemon> would be good
[13:45:22] <razrX> well, that's a whole different game now isn't it .... latest release packages ... are they classified as being actual releases or just offering the latest and greatest bits
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[13:47:01] <razrX> on a platform such as nevada (as in we're talking about development code) it might be a good thing to use the latest packages, but the future of opensolaris is not clear enough for me to make any statements regarding that
[13:47:53] <razrX> with nevada being the (possible) code branch Solaris 11 release will prolly be built/based on
[13:48:11] <razrX> that's it for me now, i'm going home so detaching my screen
[13:48:24] <razrX> g'day all
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[13:56:16] <edwardocallaghan> g'day
[13:56:47] <edwardocallaghan> Well I plan to kick off the show soon with a GUI front end to blastware
[13:57:23] <edwardocallaghan> then maybe i'll take to the guys to see if we can write a script for Sol10 and up
[13:57:41] <edwardocallaghan> boyd gave me the idea, its worth trying to do something
[13:58:00] <edwardocallaghan> gui is going to back end everything to a scripted engine
[13:58:12] <edwardocallaghan> so the gui will be the first step
[13:59:15] <edwardocallaghan> As no one is really do much about it, let the package man games begine :~O
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[14:01:59] <PerterB> why make it blastwave specific? If you want to produce some kind of useful package manager, then surely it should be able to handle multiple sources of pre-built packages, eg blastwave, sunfreeware, install media/jumpstart server, or some in-house package repository
[14:03:12] <PerterB> in particular if you handle the clusters and dependancies on the install media, you can solve the "how do I get rid of gnome" or "how do I add foo to a minimal install" problems that crop up with newbies
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[14:04:51] <edwardocallaghan> Well I am just going to build up a nice gui for the blastware script
[14:05:24] * PerterB sighs
[14:05:43] <edwardocallaghan> I can't see why I can't put the hooks in place to add future respon
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[14:06:19] <edwardocallaghan> Well, no one is doing anything about it, so its a start
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[14:09:23] <PerterB> yup
[14:10:51] <edwardocallaghan> Well I am going to have one more hack at the nfo nic, but its really anyoying why does it not ping google.com
[14:11:10] <renihs> because you have no dns server in resolv.con?
[14:11:33] <edwardocallaghan> I think it has something to do with it
[14:11:33] <renihs> would be my first guess :p
[14:11:48] <edwardocallaghan> but there is though
[14:11:58] <migi> is there a way of getting actual/in exact moment of measurement CPU usage by process?  prstat -J   or    ps -o pcpu    does not give this information
[14:12:03] <edwardocallaghan> i did route add default 192.168.1.1
[14:12:39] <edwardocallaghan> should that not have solved it ?
[14:14:35] <renihs> no
[14:14:38] <renihs> that just adds a route
[14:14:47] <renihs> it still doesnt know who to ask for resolving
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[14:15:10] <edwardocallaghan> well whats the syntax just to check ?
[14:15:21] <edwardocallaghan> cmihai:hey
[14:15:24] <renihs> echo nameserver 192.168.1.1 >> /etc/resolv.conf (or whatever your dns ip is)
[14:15:28] <cmihai> hey
[14:15:52] <edwardocallaghan> i think thats right, thats how windows xp is configured
[14:16:01] <renihs> it is?
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[14:16:07] <renihs> ...:p
[14:16:34] <edwardocallaghan> its the only soruce i have for the config
[14:16:38] <edwardocallaghan> what can i do?
[14:16:51] <renihs> you use winxp docs to configure a solaris?
[14:16:52] <edwardocallaghan> i will try ping googles ip
[14:16:56] <renihs> omg :p
[14:16:57] <edwardocallaghan> that should work right
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[14:17:08] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[14:17:15] <renihs> if you added a correct dns server address then yes it should work
[14:17:16] <edwardocallaghan> its not my computer
[14:17:52] <edwardocallaghan> ok time for yet another reboot
[14:18:13] <Atomdrache> Silly question for y'all.  Is there a way to scroll in command-line mode, or do you have to just settle for (piping things to) less?
[14:18:25] <edwardocallaghan> be back later
[14:18:26] <renihs> dee
[14:18:36] <cmihai> Atomdrache: screen's framebuffer :-)
[14:18:36] <renihs> dependng on your terminal and stuff try shift+pgup
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[14:18:47] <renihs> but screen is much better ya :p
[14:18:52] <cmihai> Install and ALWAYS use GNU screen.
[14:18:58] <renihs> screen pawns :p
[14:19:11] <cmihai> You can just detatch and attatch anywhere... ssh, local, dosn't matter.
[14:19:17] <Atomdrache> What all does it do?  All I've heard about it is that it's nice for remote terminal apps.
[14:19:30] <cmihai> Atomdrache: doesn't matter.
[14:19:34] <cmihai> It's nice for everything.
[14:19:35] <renihs> if you dont know it ...*get* to know it
[14:19:39] <renihs> indeed
[14:19:40] <renihs> :p
[14:19:47] <cmihai> Even as a serial console ;-)
[14:19:49] <_basta_> Atomdrache: attach/detach. multiple attach, copy/cut/paste
[14:19:50] <cmihai> screen /dev/term/a
[14:19:53] <_basta_> and so on so forth
[14:19:55] <cmihai> No need for tip/cu
[14:20:11] <cmihai> And you can switch from X to console to serial console to whatever like THAT
[14:20:22] <cmihai> No need for multiple XTerms or losing your work :-)
[14:20:43] <cmihai> I also compile and run everything in screen. If the TERM freezes or X dies or ssh dies, I won't lose my work
[14:20:48] <_basta_> and some nandy oneline in .screenrc
[14:20:59] <Atomdrache> I should probably have that on the E450.
[14:21:17] <_basta_> like hardstatus alwayslastline "%{km}%H%{mk} %{yb}%-Lw%{= yb}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%< %{gk}%-19=%C%a %D,%d %M "
[14:21:24] <_basta_> for example.
[14:21:43] <renihs> caption always "%{= bb}%{+b w}Screen: %n | %h %=%t %c"
[14:21:44] <cmihai> hardstatus lastline  "%{-b ck} %?%-w%?%{+b}%n%f %t%{-b} %?%+w%? %= %l   %D %d/%m
[14:21:44] <renihs> hardstatus alwayslastline "%-Lw%{= BW}%50>%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<"
[14:21:47] <cmihai> /%Y   %0c "
[14:21:49] <cmihai> hardstatus on
[14:21:50] <renihs> gruml :p
[14:21:59] <cmihai> escape ^Tt
[14:22:05] <cmihai> I'm an EMACS / ksh set -o emacs guy
[14:22:08] <Tempt> Hey, screen.
[14:22:12] <Tempt> Love the screen.
[14:22:15] <cmihai> Hence in NEED C-a for home :-)
[14:22:29] <cmihai> I can do without C-t though.
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[14:22:57] <cmihai> vbell off -> a must :p
[14:23:00] <cmihai> I hate bells.
[14:23:08] <cmihai> And the visual ones too.
[14:23:09] <Tempt> I wish things understood ^A^A ^A^P ^A^N
[14:23:21] <cmihai> Nah, that's a mess.
[14:23:22] <Atomdrache> I have this huge one I wear sometimes, but that's different :3
[14:23:26] <cmihai> screen in screen in screen :P
[14:23:47] <cmihai> Atomdrache: you wear a huge bell?
[14:23:50] <cmihai> Atomdrache: are you a cow?
[14:23:53] <cmihai> cowbell? ;-)
[14:23:55] <Tempt> Indeed, he's a cow.
[14:23:56] <Atomdrache> Not a cow bell.
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[14:23:58] <Tempt> MOAR COWBELL!
[14:23:59] <Atomdrache> One of those big round ones.
[14:24:10] <_basta_> renihs: not bad. almost like mine :)
[14:24:13] <cmihai> Church bell?
[14:24:24] <Atomdrache> (Which, oddly, some people still call a cow bell.  People in this town do not know their bells.)
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[14:24:40] <Atomdrache> Well, sort of like the kind you put on a cat, except about 65mm in diameter.
[14:24:54] <Tempt> I dunno, it depends on whether or not you walk down the street mooing.
[14:25:02] <Tempt> That would justify the cowbell thing.
[14:25:47] <Atomdrache> Nah.  The feed store sells cow bells--if I were to do that, I wouldn't half-ass it with a bell that was not a cow bell.
[14:25:58] <Atomdrache> No, man, I'd give 'em more cow bell.
[14:26:01] <cmihai> Atomdrache: are you Salvadore Dali?
[14:26:06] <cmihai> If not, you're not allowed to wear a bell.
[14:26:10] <cmihai> Unless you're a cow.
[14:27:03] <Atomdrache> It'd make perfect sense if I explained it.  I just have no intentions of doing that =D
[14:27:18] <Tempt> Oh, come on.
[14:27:23] <cmihai> Right, you're a loonie.
[14:27:32] * cmihai puts Atomdrache in the loonie bin.
[14:27:39] <Tempt> No, loonies howl at the moon. Hence, loonie.
[14:27:52] <Atomdrache> Of a sort.  To more would require learning about things you did not want to know existed.
[14:28:31] <Atomdrache> Tempt:  I wish more places taught Latin.  No luck in this town, at least.
[14:28:41] <Atomdrache> to know more*
[14:28:47] <Tempt> Try to find a "Living Latin" group.
[14:28:50] <renihs> _basta_, :p
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[14:29:00] <cmihai> Why would you want to learn Latin
[14:29:03] <cmihai> I did 3-4 years here.
[14:29:06] <cmihai> Waste of time.
[14:29:11] <Atomdrache> Depends on your field.
[14:29:17] <Tempt> cmihai: Speak it conversationally?
[14:29:26] <cmihai> To dead people? :p
[14:29:31] <renihs> Atomdrache, always waste of time
[14:29:39] <renihs> learn greek else
[14:29:40] <Atomdrache> Granted, I don't learn a language for any practical reason.  I do that for fun.
[14:29:43] <renihs> old-greek
[14:29:49] <Atomdrache> Hmm...now that would rock.
[14:29:50] <renihs> latin for fun?
[14:29:51] <renihs> omg...
[14:30:01] <Atomdrache> You don't know what I do for fun.
[14:30:07] <cmihai> Nah, Latin isn't even fun. It is easy if you already know 1-2 romance languages.
[14:30:08] <renihs> mundi vult decipe ergo decipi
[14:30:15] <cmihai> And I did know 2.
[14:30:16] <renihs> ergo decipator
[14:30:19] <renihs> argl
[14:30:52] <cmihai> Atomdrache: what other languages do you speak?
[14:31:00] <cmihai> Unless you know Italian, Spanish or at least French...
[14:31:35] <Atomdrache> At this point, only German and about enough Japanese to ask where my hat is.
[14:31:53] <cmihai> Nihongo ga wakarimasu ka?
[14:32:12] <Atomdrache> Our instructor was a screw-off, so I can't answer that question.
[14:32:25] <Atomdrache> (We knew him as Tangent-san.)
[14:32:41] <cmihai> :-]
[14:32:50] <Tempt> I did about the same amount of Japanese at school.
[14:32:53] <Atomdrache> I seriously do not know why he still has a job.
[14:33:13] <Tempt> Still remember all the hiragana and a handful of kanji though.
[14:33:28] <cmihai> Tempt: that's not all bad. Do you know all kana?
[14:33:36] <cmihai> Katakana and Hiragana?
[14:33:43] <Berny_> we should get jimg to hold japanese classes in this channel ;-)
[14:33:46] <Tempt> Don't remember too much of the katakana.
[14:33:47] <cmihai> If so, that's a start right there.
[14:33:58] <Atomdrache> Basically, in that semester we learned to write hiragana and some kanji, we learned a few very basic sentences, and we learned all sorts of things about various completely irrelevant subjects.
[14:34:01] <cmihai> Berny_: is he Japanese?
[14:34:10] <Atomdrache> I'm currently teaching myself the katakana for next semester.
[14:34:23] <Berny_> no he moved to japan about 2 years ago and is learning pretty fast
[14:34:32] <cmihai> Atomdrache: don't get into Kanji unless you can read and write perfect Kana
[14:34:38] <Berny_> would be good practise for all of us :-)
[14:34:43] <cmihai> That's Hiragana and Katakana. You can learn the Kanji lter :p
[14:34:48] <cmihai> later
[14:34:59] <Atomdrache> I don't mean to.  We just learned a small number of frequently-occurring kanji.
[14:35:10] <cmihai> Numbers and stuff?
[14:35:13] <Atomdrache> Yeah.
[14:35:20] <cmihai> Aye, that's cool.
[14:35:52] <Atomdrache> I do well enough with hiragana (though my handwriting blows goats in just about any language), but I can only read about half of katakana at present.  Still need to sit down and practice them some time this summer.
[14:36:46] <cmihai> Used to know a handfull... about 300... started learning gakush kanji.
[14:37:04] <Tempt> Atomdrache: Sounds like a classic high school Japanese class.
[14:37:14] <Atomdrache> Except this is a college ;-;
[14:37:22] <Tempt> Haha.
[14:37:27] <cmihai> That's the first 1000 kanji they teach in the first 6 grades.
[14:37:29] <timsf> Damn IRC. Tempt mentioned someone being a loony a while back...
[14:37:30] <Tempt> Intro courses would be the same.
[14:37:39] * timsf ended up digging around the internet for a cartoon reference
[14:37:45] <cmihai> Tempt: don't worry, it takes them 8 years to learn all 2000 joyo
[14:37:45] <timsf> Such a time sink - anyway,
[14:37:48] <Atomdrache> To emphasize how much of a jackass this guy is:  We had three homework assignments for the entire semester, and no tests.
[14:37:58] <timsf> thought you'd all find this amusing (if you haven't already seen it)
[14:37:59] <timsf> http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9707/df970723.jpg
[14:38:02] <cmihai> Tempt: and they still mess with them in highschool
[14:38:21] <Atomdrache> (I expected an assignment every period, and if he'd done that, I'd know all the kana perfectly and probably be able to maintain a primitive conversation.)
[14:38:25] <timsf> Right, better get back to it..
[14:38:33] <cmihai> Tempt: heh, cool.
[14:38:48] <cmihai> Atomdrache: eh ;-). The Kana is easy.
[14:38:49] <Tempt> Nothing wastes time like IRC.
[14:39:09] <cmihai> Atomdrache: took me 3-4 days to learn them all. Just use JRPG
[14:39:23] <cmihai> JRpg is a Japanese Kana (Katakana, Hiragana and Kanji) RPG game made in Python
[14:39:27] <cmihai> It's similar to Final Fantasy 1
[14:39:35] <Atomdrache> Hmm.
[14:39:40] <Atomdrache> What's it run in?
[14:39:41] <Pietro_S> Tempt: then you never try wesnoth  ;-)
[14:39:42] <cmihai> You basically "kill" kana / kanji with their romanji pronounciations
[14:39:44] <cmihai> python...
[14:39:52] <cmihai> Will work on any python + pygame environment
[14:40:00] <cmihai> http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9707/df970723.jpg
[14:40:08] <Tempt> I have enough time wasting options without looking for more.
[14:40:30] <cmihai> http://taw.chaosforge.org/jrpg2/ - JRPG 2 is awesome, like Diablo
[14:40:52] <Atomdrache> What sort of graphics requirements has it got?
[14:40:53] <cmihai> http://taw.chaosforge.org/jrpg2/jrpg2_tech_demo_screenshot_4.png - graphics is great... but it's not playable yet.
[14:41:12] <cmihai> Sprites man, sprites duh
[14:41:31] <Atomdrache> Somehow I was expecting some kind of ASCII terminal thing.  I don't know why.
[14:41:40] <Atomdrache> Like Nethack or something.
[14:41:41] <cmihai> http://taw.chaosforge.org/jrpg/jrpg_new_screenshot_1.png
[14:41:46] <cmihai> And it starts at a low level
[14:41:49] <cmihai> with hiragana only
[14:41:50] <cmihai> then katakana
[14:41:52] <cmihai> then all kana
[14:42:03] <cmihai> Then Kanji.. then whole phrases with all of them.
[14:42:08] <Cyrille> then kanjis then venusian?
[14:42:11] <cmihai> So it builds your levels :P
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[14:42:40] <Atomdrache> Would I need to compile the Python and Pygame stuff from source, or are there SFW/CSW packages for that?
[14:42:49] <cmihai> Trust me. There's also a flash card kana game in KDE, but jRPG is more fun.
[14:42:58] <cmihai> Atomdrache: you need python game libs.
[14:43:05] <Atomdrache> I've got flash cards in a little pouch already.
[14:43:15] <cmihai> Though you can just download the windows or linux version of that. For Solaris you need manual work.
[14:43:22] <cmihai> Trust me, JRPG is AWESOME.
[14:43:31] <Cyrille> O RLY?
[14:43:31] <cmihai> Got me down to 300 or so kanji ins a few weeks
[14:43:59] <Cyrille> aren't there about 3000?
[14:44:04] <Cyrille> (used in Japanese)
[14:44:15] <Atomdrache> It sounds pretty handy.
[14:44:25] <cmihai> Cyrille: no, 3000 are the common ones
[14:44:28] <cmihai> and 2000 or so are the joyo
[14:44:33] <Atomdrache> I'm also hoping it'll be easier to get working that urxvt. (That sucked!)
[14:44:53] <Atomdrache> Speaking of which, has anybody found a simple, easy way to get Rxvt-unicode to work right in Solaris?
[14:44:57] <cmihai> Basically you need 3000 to read say... books.
[14:45:04] <cmihai> 2000 or so to start reading a newspaper.
[14:45:13] <Atomdrache> In all there are, IIRC, upwards of 15,000.
[14:45:25] <Atomdrache> But only two hundred something basic shapes.
[14:45:31] <Atomdrache> Radicals, I think they're called.
[14:45:34] <Cyrille> keys
[14:45:34] * Tempt mutters something about kanji being unnecessary and in need of simplifying out.
[14:45:39] <cmihai> If you know 3000, you're basically the equivalent of a high school educated Japanese man.
[14:45:40] <Cyrille> less than that, I thought.
[14:45:53] <Atomdrache> If you learn all those, you can usually sort of figure out what a kanji means.  So I'm informed.
[14:45:54] <cmihai> Tempt: well, they can use Hiragana for EVERYTHING :P
[14:45:59] <cmihai> But they don't :-)
[14:46:04] <Tempt> Exactly.
[14:46:11] <Tempt> It'd be so much easy to use kana for everything.
[14:46:31] <cmihai> Well, true. But not quite as fun :-)
[14:46:43] <cmihai> Hell, they can just use romanji.
[14:46:47] <Cyrille> well, not really, Atomdrache, because the relationship between the meaning of the kanji and the potential meanings of its parts is often tenuous at best.
[14:47:06] <cmihai> Basically now they use Kana (Hiragana, Katakana), Romani (trademarks and stuff), arabic, roman and Kanji numerals... and Kanji.
[14:47:12] <cmihai> Then there's aids like Furigana
[14:47:17] <Cyrille> (name = moon + mouth, I doubt that's obvious...)
[14:47:20] <Tempt> naah, romaji is too ugly.
[14:47:23] <cmihai> Their writing system is quite a complex beast.
[14:47:33] <Atomdrache> That's true, but it's still helpful to know all the little pieces.
[14:47:44] <cmihai> Land + Sun - Japan :P
[14:47:45] <Atomdrache> (also, emphasis on "sort of")
[14:47:54] <Cyrille> sun + origin = japan
[14:48:04] <Cyrille> root actually
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[14:48:15] <cmihai> Well, basically.
[14:49:02] <Tempt> hmm, 0xf00d. back in a while ...
[14:50:07] <Atomdrache> Hmm...looks like Python was installed as a Sun Freeware package.  Should I trust that?
[14:51:33] <cmihai> Atomdrache: it's fine, you just need pygame, that's a bitch :P
[14:51:39] <cmihai> Tempt: 0xbaadf00d even :-)
[14:52:09] <Atomdrache> I rather expect it to be.  Compiling from source is never straightforward.
[14:52:39] <Atomdrache> At least, not if you're using Solaris :D
[14:56:54] <Atomdrache> (though Linux people tell me it also sucks in Linux)
[14:59:49] <Giaco> what is the right prefix to install squid ?
[14:59:59] <sniffy> "right prefix"
[15:00:08] <Cyrille> sq
[15:00:23] <Giaco>  /opt/coolstack ?
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[15:09:28] <Tempt> Good place to install the cooltools distribution of squid.
[15:10:57] <Doc> is squid multi-threaded yet?
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[15:14:13] <Tempt> No idea.
[15:14:20] <Tempt> I tend to use Sun's proxy these days.
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[15:16:27] <Tempt> Hmm, old thinkpad has spindle on the way out.
[15:16:58] <Tempt> anyone here done a netbooting solx86 install yet?
[15:17:48] <Atomdrache> There's four of the six dependencies.
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[15:19:22] <Ziomullo> hej
[15:19:23] <Ziomullo> :)
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[15:25:58] <theRealballchalk> hello
[15:27:04] <theRealballchalk> i tried 'cdrecord -v -dev=1,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao MyFile.iso
[15:27:07] <theRealballchalk> and it didn't work
[15:27:12] <theRealballchalk> what am i doing wrong?
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[15:32:29] <Tempt> error? problem?
[15:33:18] <cmihai> Tempt: you mean JumpStart?
[15:33:56] <Tempt> cmihai: No, netboot. As in nfs mounting everything.
[15:34:09] <Tempt> cmihai: diskless workstation style
[15:34:11] <cmihai> Ah, diskless?
[15:34:35] <trochej> theRealballchalk: Right now you're not giving enough information
[15:34:41] <cmihai> Get a Sun Ray :-)
[15:35:05] <Tempt> Got one.
[15:35:06] <cmihai> Tempt: they're pennies on ebay :-)
[15:35:12] <Tempt> Not willing to pay for a laptop style sunray.
[15:35:22] <cmihai> Ah :-)
[15:35:37] <cmihai> Um.. so don't do diskless, do SSGD with any old client.
[15:39:49] <Tempt> Problem: Laptop with dead spindle + too lazy to replace it.
[15:39:56] <Tempt> Suggested fix: diskless workstation
[15:40:08] <cmihai> Oh, right. Missed the dead spindle part :-)
[15:42:33] <Doc> hmm.. if you google for google, the first hit is google
[15:44:22] <boyd_> Don't! you suck us into a meta-vortex
[15:45:54] <Doc> yah.. i was wondering what would happen if i clicked on that link and then googled for google again, but i decided i had better not...
[15:46:29] <Doc> heh.. if you go to google, enter "google" and then click "I'm feeling lucky" it appears to just fail
[15:46:42] <boyd_> Doc broke Google!!!
[15:46:46] <boyd_> Get Him!!
[15:47:26] <Doc> blah.. it's not like anyone uses it anyway
[15:47:35] <boyd_> (goes back to google for me)
[15:47:36] <Cyrille> and he probably just broke his.
[15:47:44] <Tempt> hmmm
[15:47:47] * Tempt googles boyd
[15:48:02] * boyd_ feels violated :)
[15:48:23] <Tempt> heh.
[15:48:36] <Doc> heh.. they had the simpsons tonight where marge googles herself and finds like 6 million hits
[15:48:52] <Tempt> I'm watching that right now.
[15:48:53] <boyd_> Haven't seen that one
[15:48:59] <Tempt> Err, but I torrented it. hah.
[15:49:11] * boyd_ has had Family guy on pause for like 2 hours
[15:49:22] <Tempt> boyd_: Your blog is sadly neglected.
[15:49:43] <boyd_> No, it's happily neglected :)
[15:49:48] <trochej> :)
[15:50:07] * boyd_ needs topic inspiration. He doesn't want to write any old crud
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[15:50:48] <trochej> You need to write on something that is always fresh for writers: writers block :)
[15:50:58] <Tempt> boyd_: Do you actually use the left hand function keys on your keyboard?
[15:51:12] <boyd_> On a sun keyboard? yeah, all the time
[15:51:25] <Tempt> What for?
[15:51:50] <Tempt> I use mine for switching virtual desktops and kicking off commonly used apps.
[15:52:03] <boyd_> Mostly "Open" and "Front" (open minimises a window and front rotates them)
[15:52:24] <boyd_> I also use the copy and paste keys and map nearly all of them when I'm in emacs for serious work
[15:52:33] <Tempt> urk
[15:52:36] <Tempt> He said emacs!
[15:52:39] <Tempt> HA-HA.
[15:52:57] <boyd_> Thank you Nelson
[15:53:10] * Tempt takes a bow.
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[15:54:11] <Tempt> boyd_: Topic inspiration, huh?
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[15:54:18] <boyd_> Uh oh
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[15:54:37] <boyd_> Hey
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[15:55:07] <edwardocallaghan> Hey
[15:55:28] <edwardocallaghan> OK the nic works but name resolv does not
[15:55:31] <Tempt> I think the only way I could have a blog with actual traffic is to have multiple authors.
[15:55:53] <edwardocallaghan> Its really getting to me know as it a simple thing that should not be a problem
[15:55:53] <boyd_> Just fire up all those personalities :)
[15:56:06] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: It's not nsswitch.conf is it?
[15:56:10] <quasi> Tempt: writing your own content is too hard?
[15:56:11] <Tempt> Awww. I've been trying to keep it limited to two.
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[15:56:22] <Tempt> quasi: Same as boyd. Lack of topic inspiration.
[15:56:39] <edwardocallaghan> i did cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
[15:56:49] <edwardocallaghan> and made a backup of the old copy
[15:56:50] <Tempt> restart nscd
[15:57:07] <Tempt> or just kill it.
[15:57:20] <boyd_> (which amounts to the same thing under SMF)
[15:57:31] <edwardocallaghan> I restarted the box even just to make sure
[15:57:39] <Tempt> less keystrokes to kill it.
[15:57:40] <edwardocallaghan> what ever i do
[15:57:42] <boyd_> That should have got it :)
[15:57:55] <quasi> Tempt: the inspiration is no problem for me - it is getting the time to go from idea to blog entry that keeps it quiet for now
[15:57:56] <edwardocallaghan> does Optus have a funny dns setting ?
[15:57:57] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: so, does dig work?
[15:58:06] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[15:58:18] <boyd_> e.g. dig www.sun.com
[15:58:26] <Tempt> quasi: If we did a multiple authors blog, you could just get your ideas posted and someone else could followup in more detail.
[15:58:38] <Tempt> quasi: and then someone else again could provide a different point of view.
[15:58:55] <edwardocallaghan> what will dig do, i seem to remember it a replacement for a older tool or somthing ?
[15:59:08] <boyd_> It's a replacement for nslookup
[15:59:16] <boyd_> (I take it you got home ok :) )
[15:59:17] <quasi> Tempt: nah, I get plenty of traffic from planetapache.org to keep me going ;)
[15:59:18] <edwardocallaghan> I can get onto google and use it if I just use googles ip
[15:59:29] <Tempt> Hmm.
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[15:59:35] <edwardocallaghan> yea thank ;)
[15:59:43] <Tempt> Multiple authors, followups on a subject...
[15:59:48] <Tempt> public viewing
[15:59:54] <Tempt> You'd swear someone invented this before
[15:59:55] <boyd_> You mean like USENET?
[15:59:56] <edwardocallaghan> I take it the wife did not come down on you too hard ?
[16:00:03] <Tempt> Heh, that's where I was heading.
[16:00:10] <boyd_> Nah, but she was going out, hence I had to be home :)
[16:00:35] <boyd_> Tempt: But this would have a clunkier, slower UI that's buzzword compliant
[16:00:50] <Tempt> We've already tried USENET 2.0
[16:00:53] <Tempt> It didn't work.
[16:01:04] * boyd_ curses web forums
[16:01:05] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:Who is your ISP before I forget ?
[16:01:05] <renihs> lol :p
[16:01:14] <quasi> need to be ahead - nntp3.0
[16:01:18] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: same as mine IIRC
[16:01:34] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[16:01:52] <Tempt> boyd_: Want to do a a Melb solaris/opensolaris bloggy thing?
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[16:02:34] <edwardocallaghan> Oh I don't know you guys got the message in the logs but I am planning on a OpenSolaris Magazine
[16:02:45] * boyd_ shrugs... depends on how insane your rants will be
[16:02:53] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: !
[16:03:00] <Tempt> boyd_: They'd be polite, and I'd save the anti-penguin crusades for IRC.
[16:03:09] <edwardocallaghan> I am looking for people to add articals etc.. like class notes
[16:03:11] <boyd_> rofl
[16:03:32] <boyd_> If only I knew someone with access to class notes :)
[16:03:37] <edwardocallaghan> boyd_:!?
[16:03:54] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[16:04:11] <edwardocallaghan> I had the idea for almost a year now
[16:04:30] <edwardocallaghan> post articals like how to get damm DNS to work ?
[16:04:32] <boyd_> This would be an e-zine I assume...
[16:04:42] <boyd_> How would it differ from a group blog?
[16:04:48] <edwardocallaghan> I neaver tried it
[16:04:52] <Cyrille> or a forum?
[16:04:59] <Tempt> boyd_: He's going to use Joomla instead of WordPress
[16:05:02] <edwardocallaghan> PDF with nice pictures ..
[16:05:28] <boyd_> If the articles are *really* short you could just use IRC :)
[16:05:34] <edwardocallaghan> So it could be printed and make somthing neat..
[16:05:43] <boyd_> Cool
[16:05:51] <edwardocallaghan> don't worry its going to be free
[16:05:56] <Cyrille> pdf with nice pictures which can be printed is called docs.sun.com or bigadmin.
[16:06:03] <quasi> yay, more tree killing ;)
[16:06:28] <edwardocallaghan> I mean somthing that non-system admins will read
[16:06:41] <Tempt> I like the group blog idea for more opinion centric stuff
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[16:06:57] <boyd_> non-system admins? What are they?
[16:07:06] <Tempt> Hmmm
[16:07:09] <quasi> lusers?
[16:07:23] <Tempt> And even worse, developers!
[16:07:25] <edwardocallaghan> translate whats going on in the comunity to a Mag that Linux adiccs will read
[16:07:30] <Tempt> Not to mention DBAs.
[16:07:38] <edwardocallaghan> now now
[16:07:49] <renihs> edwardocallaghan, except system admins, who would *want* to read that?
[16:08:00] <renihs> even sysadmins dont want to read (but have to) :p
[16:08:07] <edwardocallaghan> why of coruse old chap
[16:08:20] <boyd_> Tempt: please don't mention DBA's here. Ethnic jokes are not nice :)
[16:08:32] <quasi> ;)
[16:08:53] <renihs> dbas?
[16:08:54] <edwardocallaghan> The docs on sun are ones that you don't want to read
[16:09:08] <Tempt> But Sun has such *good* docs.
[16:09:09] <edwardocallaghan> I want to make somthing that you would want to read
[16:09:13] <Tempt> And I mean SRSLY.
[16:09:13] <renihs> it has?
[16:09:24] <edwardocallaghan> yes they are
[16:09:37] <edwardocallaghan> but too much of a good thing..
[16:09:44] <edwardocallaghan> its hard to get though
[16:09:55] <edwardocallaghan> and if you don't even know what your looking for..
[16:10:19] <edwardocallaghan> Well, we shall see how it goes
[16:10:25] * quasi wishes edwardocallaghan good luck in his foolish enterprise - I for one wouldn't bother
[16:10:32] <edwardocallaghan> if you have anything to add let me know
[16:10:49] <edwardocallaghan> thanks
[16:11:15] <spartacus> Hi. Does anyone have hints on how to get an Intel 945GM based system past the post-install boot? All seems well during installation, but once the X server starts all I have is black with a coloured band at the top of the screen. I've read hints about using an updated Intel driver, but haven't found one... and have googled others with the problem but no solutions. Any ideas?
[16:11:19] <edwardocallaghan> So back to DNS ?
[16:11:34] <Tempt> Well, if nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf are fine...
[16:11:39] <Tempt> Can you ping your nameserver?
[16:12:07] <edwardocallaghan> I got a plastic router here
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[16:12:22] <edwardocallaghan> I can ping 192.168.1.1 my dns server
[16:12:30] <Tempt> Mmm, plastic.
[16:12:53] <edwardocallaghan> well it works in windows
[16:12:54] <quasi> spartacus: what solaris version?
[16:13:12] <spartacus> quasi, x86 10 11/06
[16:13:15] <edwardocallaghan> but the thing is, i bet if i install Linux it will pick it up and work out the box
[16:13:24] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: You need .. SUN SHARED SHELL!
[16:13:25] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: does dig www.sun.com @192.168.1.1 work?
[16:13:31] <edwardocallaghan> But I would like to show off SXDE
[16:13:49] <quasi> spartacus: you probabl need to be on nevada / express to get support for that chipset
[16:14:18] <edwardocallaghan> boyd_:I have to reboot for each command
[16:14:21] <spartacus> hmm. i'll see if can download another dvd then ;-)
[16:14:33] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Oh, IRC on the same box?
[16:14:45] <quasi> spartacus: check the HCL first
[16:14:47] <edwardocallaghan> so I would like to know the full story before I try _yet another_ reboot
[16:14:56] <edwardocallaghan> yea
[16:14:59] <boyd_> edwardocallaghan: Ok, so here's the path:
[16:15:12] <boyd_> Application calls gethostbyname() or similar
[16:15:13] <spartacus> quasi: i have... reports have been mixed...
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[16:15:27] <boyd_> nsswitch.conf ipnodes line is consulted
[16:15:32] * spartacus would have expected vesa to work tho :(
[16:15:35] <boyd_> if no luck then hosts line
[16:15:52] <quasi> spartacus: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/components/details/2740.html
[16:15:56] <boyd_> if there's a dns entry then /etc/resolv.conf file is used to find dns server
[16:16:07] <boyd_> (e.g. nameserver 192.168.1.1)
[16:16:15] <edwardocallaghan> thats what i have
[16:16:32] <edwardocallaghan> he runs Optus net
[16:16:48] <boyd_> you can use dig to check if the dns part is working and if it is you can use getent hosts www.sun.com to check the nsswitch.conf part
[16:17:30] <boyd_> So, I'd check with dig to see if the problem is below (dns) or above (name service switch)
[16:17:51] <spartacus> quasi: yup, i saw that. it works through the installation on my box (24 bit, 1024x768), but not afterwards when X comes up. :-( I can try a later release and see if get lucky
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[16:18:19] <quasi> spartacus: could be the x settings
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[16:18:57] <quasi> spartacus: it may be worth running a configure first to get parameters right
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[16:19:17] <spartacus> that's my guess. do you know if it's actually running Xorg or Xsun? kdmconfig seems not to affect anything... i'm working by chrooting into /a after a safe boot
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[16:19:54] <quasi> I don't think either of them get started in a safe boot
[16:20:05] <edwardocallaghan> boyd_:so #getent hosts www.sun.com
[16:20:23] <boyd_> That will check the whole stack (like an app does)
[16:20:36] <edwardocallaghan> ah
[16:21:00] <edwardocallaghan> i really think its the DNS part
[16:21:23] <edwardocallaghan> I really think its the DNS part
[16:21:41] <edwardocallaghan> I am looking on the XP disk to see what he has
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[16:21:45] <boyd_> Well, the only dns config file client-side is resolv.conf and you should be able to get by with just a nameserver line
[16:21:57] <edwardocallaghan> he has a static ip setup but I did all that
[16:22:07] <Plouj> what's the most free opensolaris based OS (as little non-free software as possible or none at all)?
[16:22:12] <boyd_> hence: dig www.sun.com @192.168.1.1   <-- send a query to your nameserver
[16:22:26] <boyd_> dig www.sun.com    <-- use the resolv.conf
[16:22:53] <boyd_> then if the above work getent will test the nsswitch part
[16:23:19] <Tempt> Plouj: What does it matter? Everything is free another to use.
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[16:23:46] <vmlemon> Plouj: Free as in cost, or "freedom"?
[16:23:47] <Plouj> Tempt: software freedom matters to me.
[16:23:55] <Plouj> free as in freedom
[16:24:39] <edwardocallaghan> thanks
[16:24:48] <edwardocallaghan> I will give that a try
[16:24:49] <oninoshiko> Plouj : depends what packages you install on each one, and how you define "freedom"
[16:25:10] <vmlemon> Solaris is "Freedom Free", for the most part, since you get most of the source code, under a liberal license
[16:25:16] <Plouj> I use FSF's definition of software freedom: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html
[16:25:17] <edwardocallaghan> be back
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[16:25:29] <Plouj> vmlemon: the kernel yes, but not the applications
[16:25:36] <Tempt> Plouj: The OpenSolaris CDDL license complies with the FSF definitions of free.
[16:25:46] <Plouj> Tempt: I know, but a kernel alone is no good to me
[16:26:05] <boyd_> It complies with the OSI definition, but I'm not sure about the FSF
[16:26:06] <Plouj> I need to run a whole NAS server
[16:26:07] <Tempt> Plouj: Errr...
[16:26:20] <Tempt> Plouj: "OpenSolaris is not Linux; OpenSolaris is *not* just a kernel"
[16:26:27] <vmlemon> Of course, things like CDE and a few other components are closed, but most of the userland is open, and Sun GNOME/JDE is open for the most part
[16:26:47] <oninoshiko> but who uses CDE anyway
[16:26:48] <Plouj> someone here said that libc is not free
[16:26:51] <vmlemon> And of course, you can get access to a large amount of Java source code, under the GPLv2
[16:27:09] <Plouj> libc in SXCE I assume
[16:27:48] <boyd_> That's certainly not true of all of libc. I don't know if maybe parts of it are still closed... is the internationalisation code in libc?
[16:28:31] <Plouj> yeah, something about I18N is non-free apparently
[16:28:34] <Tempt> Anyway, if you're building a NAS box, the Solaris NFS implementation is second-to-none, so it makes an obvious choice.
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[16:28:42] <Plouj> lol
[16:28:45] <rawn027> jet is very nice
[16:28:46] <Plouj> I'd rather use ZFS and iSCSI
[16:28:52] <boyd_> Yuck
[16:28:55] <rawn027> makes my job very easy
[16:29:16] * boyd_ thinks Plouj thought Tempt was joking about NFS
[16:29:25] <Cyrille> I got that impression too.
[16:29:29] <Plouj> no, really, I don't want to use NFS
[16:29:39] <Cyrille> or maybe that nfs is not free or something.
[16:29:40] <Plouj> it doesn't matter wether Tempt was joking or not
[16:30:06] <Tempt> No, really, Solaris NFS is the best NFS.
[16:30:10] <Plouj> I'm going to use a Linux client for this NAS, so I don't want to use NFS
[16:30:15] <Tempt> You'd swear Sun came up with the idea.
[16:30:24] <Cyrille> amazing :-)
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[16:30:41] <rawn027> Tempt: i have to agree
[16:30:54] <rawn027> nfs on solaris has exceeded my expectations completely
[16:30:55] <boyd_> Fair enough, it sounds like you've thought it through thoroughly
[16:31:03] <rawn027> just finished an install over the network :)
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[16:31:57] <oninoshiko> i have a solaris/zfs/iscsi nas box i'm going to be connecting to a linux machine
[16:32:11] <boyd_> WTF is is about iSCSI?
[16:32:17] <boyd_> is it
[16:32:24] <Tempt> It is .. cheap.
[16:32:40] <Cyrille> my guess is that people like it because it's a palindrom.
[16:32:45] <Cyrille> palindrome even
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[16:32:52] <Cyrille> could be wrong though.
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[16:32:57] <oninoshiko> i beleave someone here pointed out that the linux NFS is buggy
[16:33:01] <vmlemon> Anyone know why Solaris default installation of Samba refuses to connect to my Samba installation on my Linux box, after setting the Workgroup?
[16:33:10] <Tempt> It means you can have highly reliable backend storage and mount it on unreliable clients and get some joyous filesystem corruption.
[16:34:03] <boyd_> It means you get the latency of ethernet and the opaque non-shareable block device nature of fibre channel. Worst of both worlds
[16:34:14] <oninoshiko> Tempt : i fail to see how you are going to be getting FS courruption
[16:34:48] <oninoshiko> boyd_ : also im using it for migrateable Xen machine
[16:34:50] <oninoshiko> machines
[16:35:20] <Tempt> oninoshiko: client crashes, dirty FS. Easy.
[16:35:59] <Tempt> So you've got storage that is slow, ugly, and just as liable to client problems as a couple of SATA spindles. Except the couple of SATA spindles will crank through a lot more data.
[16:36:16] <Stric> .. profit! :)
[16:36:29] <vmlemon> Sounds fantastic, where can I sign up? ;)
[16:38:37] <Tempt> boyd_: See, there's a blog article for you.
[16:38:46] <Tempt> boyd_: You could do a series of "what is it with .." articles.
[16:38:53] <boyd_> indeed... I think I have a draft of a rant somewhere
[16:39:11] <boyd_> You mean I could be the Jerry Seinfeld of the Solaris world?
[16:39:22] <Tempt> Better than being the Costanza.
[16:39:25] <Tempt> Can I be Kramer?
[16:39:26] <boyd_> lol
[16:39:29] <boyd_> Sure
[16:39:38] <boyd_> Ok, On that note, I think I'm off to bed
[16:39:43] <boyd_> Night all
[16:39:46] <Tempt> 'night
[16:40:04] <oninoshiko> `night
[16:41:26] <vmlemon> Anyone here using lxrun? Or is it deprecated?
[16:41:42] <Plouj> the question is, can I make a NAS client boot form NFS and use it as a reliable root filesystem?
[16:41:55] <oninoshiko> the only reason im doing this is because i want live migration of xen hosts.
[16:41:58] <Plouj> a Linux client
[16:42:07] <oninoshiko> Plouj sure, it called PXE
[16:42:20] <oninoshiko> it's*
[16:43:13] <Plouj> ok
[16:43:34] <Plouj> but would the NFS still be reliable for me even if I use a Linux client?
[16:43:49] <Tempt> Plouj: People have been using NFS root filesystems since ... since discs were too expensive.
[16:44:09] <Tempt> Plouj: Seriously. Pre-Solaris. NFSroot is the original UNIX netboot.
[16:44:18] * Plouj wonders why cmihai suggested iSCSI instead of NFS to him then
[16:44:20] <vmlemon> Is SCLA available in Solaris Express?
[16:45:07] <oninoshiko> probibly because cmihai doesnt trust the linux implmentation of NFS
[16:45:52] <Tempt> An NFS implementation so dodgy I dare not speak its name.
[16:45:53] <Plouj> woul dyou, oninoshiko?
[16:46:01] <Plouj> would* you&
[16:47:00] <oninoshiko> i donno... it does have known bugs
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[16:47:32] <Plouj> then obviously it's better for me to use iSCI
[16:47:36] <Plouj> iSCSI
[16:48:18] <oninoshiko> the ones being discussed yesterday had to do with if the server drops connection, in linux you can't unmount the partition
[16:51:21] <Tempt> umount / is a bad enough idea.
[16:51:30] <oninoshiko> so if you loose access to your root fs your SOL anyway
[16:51:44] <Plouj> well, / is not the only fs I want to use it for
[16:52:47] <Plouj> /, /tmp, /home, /usr, /vault, /www, /svn, /snapshot
[16:52:55] <Plouj> and a few others
[16:55:06] <oninoshiko> NFS is better tested the iSCSI. it permits multiple machines to have access to the files
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[16:55:28] <edwardocallaghan> Hey
[16:55:48] <edwardocallaghan> boyd_:This is full on gay
[16:56:07] <oninoshiko> edwardocallaghan :im glad its happy
[16:56:08] <Tempt> edwardocallaghan: You'll have to seek advice from kaiwaii then.
[16:56:12] <edwardocallaghan> Both commands return with positive results
[16:56:39] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[16:57:06] <edwardocallaghan> dig returns a ip
[16:58:10] <Tempt> Right.
[16:58:19] <Tempt> But nothing else works?
[16:58:22] <edwardocallaghan> I am about to nuke SXDE for Ubuntu as much as I hate it
[16:58:47] <edwardocallaghan> no getent hosts www.sun.com returns good stuff as well
[16:58:47] <Tempt> fire up sun shared shell and see if we can fix it.
[16:59:14] <edwardocallaghan> how can fire up a ssh if there is no nic
[16:59:17] <edwardocallaghan> working
[16:59:28] <Tempt> Oh.
[16:59:31] <Tempt> So the NIC is dead as well?
[16:59:36] <edwardocallaghan> no
[16:59:58] <edwardocallaghan> Its very streange I think the driver is ***
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[17:00:17] <edwardocallaghan> or its somthing to do with IPv6 and the plastic router
[17:00:32] <Tempt> put some entries in /etc/hosts for the sharedshell stuff and we'll take a look.
[17:00:37] * dclarke wanders in
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[17:01:05] <oninoshiko> Plouj : im not getting into a religous flame-fest of the marits of iSCSI vs NFS (feel a bit too close to Vi vs emacs). you'll have to look at the relitive advantages of both and decide for yourself which it most suitable for your problem
[17:01:09] <vmlemon> Anyone using FSWfsmisc?
[17:02:12] <edwardocallaghan> Well I think there will not be time now and Bum2 will being going on
[17:02:14] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[17:02:28] <edwardocallaghan> just it will work
[17:02:40] <edwardocallaghan> But thanks anyway
[17:02:51] <Tempt> sure.
[17:03:07] <Tempt> sharedshell.sun.com has address 198.232.168.145
[17:03:09] <dclarke> let me get my cup of coffee
[17:03:11] <Tempt> In case you change your mind.
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[17:08:16] <edwardocallaghan> Tempt:While I burn, how does that service work?
[17:09:07] <edwardocallaghan> I lunch it and what do you do to find me, do you need my ip and a password or what?
[17:09:47] <Tempt> You launch a java application
[17:09:53] <Tempt> and generate an invitation key.
[17:10:01] <Tempt> That's all you need to do, everything is routed via Sun.
[17:10:28] <edwardocallaghan> how can i give you the key if its the same computer as the IRC ?
[17:12:40] <Tempt> put the IP address of your IRC server in /etc/hosts as well
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[17:21:09] <Tempt> Anyone in .au want to sell me an LTO library?
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[17:22:58] <dclarke> # route add default 66.225.151.254
[17:23:00] <dclarke> add net default: gateway 66.225.151.254: insufficient privileges
[17:23:04] <dclarke> irk .. zones ...
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[17:26:33] <quasi> dclarke: works as designed ;)
[17:26:45] <dclarke> yes .. I know
[17:26:57] <dclarke> I just have to go to the Global zone and setup a route for that zone
[17:27:48] <Tempt> yep
[17:27:53] <Tempt> Or wait until 08/07 is released
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[17:29:04] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/man/route_1M.html
[17:29:11] <dclarke> I'll just read the man page a bit
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[17:31:28] <quasi> 08/07?
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[17:32:09] <Tempt> Was 07/07
[17:32:13] <Tempt> Is now 08/07
[17:33:59] <quasi> says who?
[17:34:37] <Tempt> says the sun employees that laze around this place.
[17:34:43] * Tempt shrugs
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[17:35:25] <cmihai> Tempt: I still think it will be 07/07 :-)
[17:35:32] <cmihai> Tempt: but will be release in 08/07 :D
[17:35:54] <Tempt> meh
[17:37:35] <Tempt> Looks like my home made barcodes worked
[17:37:36] <Tempt> Data Transfer Element 0:Full (Storage Element 1 Loaded):VolumeTag = PCOW00
[17:37:39] <Tempt> woohoo
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[17:41:48] <cmihai> WTF is a "paypal fee"
[17:42:22] <vmlemon> Transaction fee for using PayPal services, probably
[17:42:44] <cmihai> Oh...
[17:43:04] <cmihai> I asked some ebay guy if I could pay with paypal and he said I need to pay him 5% extra as "paypal fee"
[17:43:21] <cmihai> That sounds like a rip-off to me ;-(
[17:43:43] <vmlemon> Sounds fishy, since PayPal already take off a percentage for themselves
[17:43:56] <cmihai> Indeed.
[17:44:06] <cmihai> Plus, I ask the guy in English..
[17:44:11] <cmihai> and I got an answer in bleeding German.
[17:44:14] <vmlemon> Pfft
[17:44:36] <Tempt> 5% surcharge would cover his paypal fees.
[17:46:26] <cmihai> You're right.
[17:46:33] <cmihai> http://www.ppcalc.com/
[17:46:35] <cmihai> For 1000 Euro they take 65
[17:46:36] <Tempt> anyway
[17:46:37] <Tempt> I'm done
[17:46:38] <cmihai> Bastards.
[17:48:11] <Tempt> fuck
[17:48:18] <Tempt> What sort of machine are you buying for EUR1000?
[17:49:07] <cmihai> Sunblade
[17:49:15] <cmihai>  SUN Blade 1000 2xUltra SPARC III 900MHz 4GB RAM 2x 36GB
[17:49:25] <Tempt> Hmm
[17:49:27] <Tempt> good specs
[17:49:32] <Tempt> Still, EUR is a lot of money
[17:49:34] <Tempt> 1000
[17:49:37] <Tempt> ouch
[17:49:49] <cmihai> 690 Euro machine price. I'm guessing 100 Euro transport.
[17:50:01] <cmihai> Not exactly 1000.
[17:50:08] <cmihai> Still a lot of money. Probably around 1000 $
[17:50:50] <Tempt> I wonder what it would cost to buy a new Ultra-25 there?
[17:51:04] <cmihai> Can you even buy one? :-)
[17:51:12] <cmihai> You know, just ONE
[17:51:15] <Tempt> Indeed.
[17:51:18] <Tempt> You can buy JUST ONE
[17:51:21] <Tempt> FFS.
[17:51:45] <cmihai> As a person?
[17:51:46] <cmihai> Hey, don't mind me.
[17:51:52] <cmihai> I tried to buy a Cisco
[17:52:05] <cmihai> For myself, as a physical person not a juridical person (company)
[17:52:05] <cmihai> They said: YOU SUCK
[17:52:05] <cmihai> and hung up :P
[17:52:08] <Tempt> Do you own a car? motorcycle?
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[17:52:24] <cmihai> Tempt: mm.. why? :-)
[17:52:32] <Tempt> What sort of car/motorcycle?
[17:52:42] <Tempt> manufacturer
[17:52:50] <cmihai> Fiat
[17:53:05] <cmihai> and a Ford
[17:53:06] <Tempt> Did you call them and say "I'd like to buy a car?"
[17:53:14] <cmihai> Yeah :-)
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[17:53:38] <cmihai> Though my Ford was less then a fully loaded Ultra-25 :P
[17:53:41] <Tempt> If you call Sun, or Cisco, or whoever... Just ask for the details of your local dealer and they'll set you up.
[17:54:18] <vmlemon> And they'll hopefully sell you a little box of Sun ;)
[17:54:21] <cmihai> Don't think the UltraSPARC is worth it.
[17:54:26] <Tempt> My local reseller even puts blocks of chocolate in the boxes to say thankyou for buying Sun.
[17:54:29] <cmihai> the Ultra 25 that is
[17:54:37] <cmihai> 1 CPU, 4GB RAM deal is like 8000 $ :-)
[17:54:44] <Tempt> Pfft.
[17:54:57] <quasi> not quite
[17:55:09] <cmihai> I'd rather get the SunBlade 1000. 2 way, SCSI disks instead of SATA
[17:55:16] <Tempt> Do the honourable thing, get yourself a second hand daktari and a handful of sunrays.
[17:55:37] <Tempt> and the Blade-1000 does not have SCSI disks.
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[17:56:14] <Tempt> Found Fibre Channel device:
[17:56:16] <Tempt>   Node WWN:20000004cfa6479c  Device Type:Disk device
[17:56:18] <cmihai> FC
[17:56:18] <Tempt>     Logical Path:/dev/rdsk/c1t1d0s2
[17:56:23] <cmihai> Even better.
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[17:56:40] <cmihai> Tempt: erm.. a v880?
[17:56:45] <cmihai> At home?
[17:56:51] <Tempt> Yes, at home.
[17:57:00] <Tempt> Good, honest, trustworthy machine.
[17:57:05] <cmihai> Mate.. I already have 6 machines here
[17:57:08] <cmihai> And 4 laptops.
[17:57:38] <cmihai> Last thing I need is a 1MW power eating heat generating monster :-)
[17:57:55] <Tempt> http://www.purplecow.org/pix/office1/DSC00084.JPG.small.jpg
[17:58:10] <cmihai> I just want to junk the x86 and go RISC.
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[17:58:33] <cmihai> Nice tapes ;-)
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[17:59:06] <Tempt> haha.
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[17:59:16] <Tempt> Backups are important.
[17:59:22] <cmihai> Yeah
[17:59:30] <Tempt> That was while my library was on the blink and I was reduced to swapping tapes by hand.
[17:59:36] <cmihai> Basically, I need to spend some 5000$ on hardware in the next month or so.
[17:59:57] <cmihai> I just need to find Germans who ship :P
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[18:00:29] <cmihai> Gonna buy a PA-RISC and Alpha (or 2 Itaniums), a SPARC and 2 1U 4-way x86-64 machines.
[18:00:44] <cmihai> A SCSI or FC storage and a tape library.
[18:00:49] <cmihai> I just hope I can fit them under the budget heh
[18:01:06] <Tempt> I was trying to work out what hardware to buy next last night.
[18:01:15] <cmihai> Heh :-)
[18:01:28] <Tempt> I've got an 880 which after this weekend's outage will have 8 cpus and 28Gb of RAM.
[18:01:31] <Tempt> a Blade-1000
[18:01:34] <cmihai> Well, I got a pretty good RS/6000 a few days ago.
[18:01:34] <Tempt> an Ultra-20
[18:01:42] <cmihai> Nice machines.
[18:01:43] <Tempt> I've got a tape library, Cisco network infrastructure ...
[18:01:49] <Tempt> sunrays.
[18:02:00] <Tempt> Plenty of de-powered small machines.
[18:02:10] <Tempt> WTF can I add to my hardware collection?
[18:02:21] <Plouj> a tomagochi
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[18:02:31] <Tempt> My 8way RS/6000 is idling elsewhere because I don't have a need for it.
[18:02:35] <cmihai> Nice.
[18:02:45] <Plouj> Tempt: you can give it to me
[18:02:55] <cmihai> Tempt: can you ship it here? :P
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[18:02:57] <cmihai> What specs?
[18:03:11] <Tempt> 8x604e; 3Gb RAM.
[18:03:30] <Tempt> two ethernets, two SSA cards, two SCSI cards.
[18:03:45] <cmihai> Those are 200Mhz?
[18:03:57] <Tempt> Yep, 200Mhz.
[18:04:10] <Tempt> Somewhere I have a photo of a 1.6Ghz G4 Powerbook sitting on top of it.
[18:04:15] <cmihai> ew :P
[18:04:27] <Tempt> Two different ways of getting aggregate 1.6Ghz of CPU ;)
[18:04:42] <cmihai> You can't add Megahurtz :-)
[18:04:49] <cmihai> Tell that to ze geramanz on ebay.de
[18:04:57] <Tempt> I know, but it made for an amusing picture.
[18:04:57] <cmihai> 16Ghz Opteron!!!!! ABSOLUT HAMMER!
[18:05:13] <Tempt> Is that a new vodka?
[18:05:14] <cmihai> :-)
[18:05:42] <cmihai> Nah, it's what I've seen on like 20 machines on ebay.de
[18:05:45] <Tempt> heh.
[18:05:48] <vmlemon> They make 16GHz x86/x86-64 CPUs, now?
[18:05:57] <Tempt> I'm really running out of hardware purchase ideas.
[18:06:06] <sommerfeld> cmihai: psrinfo -v | grep MHz | awk '{ sum += $6 } END { print sum}'
[18:06:07] <sommerfeld> 41808
[18:06:10] <vmlemon> I think Moore's Law is seriously broken, if that's the case
[18:06:12] <sommerfeld> 41.8 GHz!
[18:06:22] <Tempt> Anything I might actually want to add is expensive enough that it isn't worth it.
[18:06:26] <vmlemon> 2.53GHz
[18:06:28] <cmihai> sommerfeld: w00t
[18:06:54] <Tempt> I'd like to finish my gigabit ethernet upgrade, but the cisco switches are still on the pricey side for the gain I'd get.
[18:07:00] <cmihai> sommerfeld: made a script to add bogomips for someone in here before :P
[18:07:03] <cmihai> awk '/processor/{ a = $3};/mips/{bogo=$3*(a+1);}END{print "Total BogoMIPS: "bogo}' /proc/cpuinfo
[18:07:12] <Tempt> My laptop just on one year old but good enough.
[18:07:28] * Tempt smacks cmihai for mentioning bogomips.
[18:07:33] <quasi> # psrinfo -v | grep MHz | awk '{ sum += $6 } END { print sum}'
[18:07:33] <quasi> 38400
[18:07:47] <cmihai> Hey, go smack FuzzyB
[18:07:58] <Tempt> 9600
[18:08:38] <quasi> hmmm, if I could be bothered, there's a fully loaded e25k somewhere nearby
[18:08:49] <cmihai> 6784
[18:08:50] <cmihai> MY GOD
[18:08:54] <cmihai> what are you people using :-)
[18:09:00] <Tempt> OMFG TEH POWERZ
[18:09:03] <Tempt> heh
[18:09:17] <sommerfeld> cmihai: that was from a fully loaded X4600
[18:09:18] * seanmcg thinks sommerfield is on a x4600
[18:09:20] <quasi> cmihai: 38400 is a t2000
[18:09:21] <Tempt> Now, a fully loaded v890 with the 2.1Ghz CPUs. That'd be nice.
[18:09:26] <seanmcg> ;-)
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[18:09:44] <quasi> m9000 fully loaded
[18:09:45] <vmlemon> Cr*ppy 5 year old HP thing, herre
[18:09:48] <vmlemon> *here
[18:09:51] <Tempt> quasi: Can only really count 8 ways on a T2000
[18:10:08] * cmihai needs more threadz
[18:10:15] <Tempt> Lowest Mhz total on a box still running ... 550
[18:10:32] <cmihai> quasi: jesus
[18:10:33] <quasi> Tempt: nah, 38400 brings back memories ;)
[18:10:35] * Tempt has learnt to hate T2000s this week.
[18:10:50] <cmihai> quasi: you work for Sun or something :-)
[18:10:57] <quasi> cmihai: nope
[18:11:19] <cmihai> Isn't a fully loaded m9000 128 core?
[18:11:54] <quasi> cmihai: I work for $self, but contract for someone with customers that have hundreds of sun enterprisey boxes
[18:12:10] <cmihai> OOo, a consultant?
[18:12:17] <quasi> yah
[18:12:25] <cmihai> I hate your kind :P. You get paid more to tell us what we already know!
[18:12:32] <Tempt> No.
[18:12:35] <Tempt> We get paid to fix your mistakes.
[18:12:45] <Tempt> and deploy your SunClusters.
[18:13:39] <quasi> conslutting is just a temporary lowpoint for me - I'll switch to a real job once this contract expires
[18:13:58] <Tempt> What's a real job these days, anyway?
[18:14:45] <sommerfeld> cmihai: information i have says an m9000 is 16 cpu boards with 4 sockets each; each cpu has 2 cores; each core runs 2 threads.  so 256 threads.  614400 bogomhz
[18:15:08] <trede> one where your free to be creative  without the social restrain crap in many places
[18:15:16] <quasi> Tempt: one that pays much less than consulting and has 6 weeks of paid vacation/year ;)
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[18:18:23] <oninoshiko> quasi : in that case your better off as a consultant, no?
[18:19:23] <Tempt> Pretty much.
[18:19:37] <sommerfeld> oninoshiko: depends on how long the consulting gigs run and how long it takes to find the next one.
[18:19:42] <Tempt> I'd like to find a job where they let people who know what they're talking about handle the hardware purchasing.
[18:20:41] <quasi> Tempt: I don't think they exist (although I did manage to get the previous job hooked on sun gear ;)
[18:20:57] <Tempt> Case study: "Consolidation project", moving about 8 primarily single threaded compute-heavy apps from 8 boxes down to one.
[18:21:13] <Tempt> My recommendation: buy half loaded 890s which will cover your next few silly projects
[18:21:20] <Tempt> Their solution: OH NOES
[18:21:23] <Tempt> T2000s it must be
[18:21:33] <Tempt> They have 32 threads, they are TEH BETT0RZ
[18:21:40] <quasi> Tempt: nice savings in that
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[18:21:54] <Tempt> I wonder who will get the hassles when everything runs like a dog,.
[18:21:57] <Tempt> huh?
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[18:22:57] <Tempt> They see the marketing swill about the T2000s and can't see past them.
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[18:23:19] <quasi> Tempt: I remember a customer with a single threaded app on a 16 proc e10k - we could have saved them bundles and given them loads of perormance on a single proc machine with a more recent cpu
[18:23:26] <carbon60> Anyone know if Solaris Cluster 3.2 can use aggregate interfaces instead of IPMP?
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[18:23:44] <Tempt> Since you could do it in 3.1, I'd say 3.2 will be fine.
[18:24:15] <quasi> but they were silly and didn't want to migrate even if they could have payed for the whole new machine with the saved service costs on the e10k
[18:24:24] <Tempt> Indeed.
[18:24:28] <rawn027> so im trying to get  JET to work
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[18:24:33] <sommerfeld> oninoshiko: .. as well as any tax differences involved (in the US at least, if you're "self-employed", you pay the taxes your employer would normally pay on your behalf without telling you.
[18:24:50] <rawn027> seems like it would help for large deployments of solaris but i am having more luck with regular jumpstart
[18:24:59] <Tempt> carbon60: That cover it?
[18:25:06] <quasi> rawn027: x86 pixie or sparc?
[18:25:15] <rawn027> all sparc ultra60s
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[18:25:35] <rawn027> right now i cant get in.rarpd to run without it being in the foregrounp
[18:25:36] <carbon60> Tempt: I guess so, thanks.
[18:25:46] <rawn027> i tried adding it to /etc/inetd.conf - no luck
[18:25:55] <carbon60> Tempt: I'm just about to run scinstall for the first time in my life. :-)
[18:26:14] <quasi> rawn027: if you use jet, it usually takes care of configuring all those bits for you
[18:26:20] <Tempt> Tempt: Okay, just add a group (just like in IPMP) to your trunk head or aggr interface
[18:26:27] <Tempt> err, Carbon60, anyway
[18:26:28] <rawn027> thats what i thought but its not work i just get a big failed lol
[18:26:38] <rawn027> at the end of the script running
[18:26:44] <Tempt> It'll probe it like an IPMP interface but the trunking underneath will handle the redundancy.
[18:26:57] <carbon60> Ok, I see.
[18:26:59] <quasi> rawn027: see which bit fails then
[18:27:00] <carbon60> Thanks a lot Tempt.
[18:27:05] <Tempt> No worries.
[18:27:17] <Tempt> I believe the SunCluster documentation actually mentions this.
[18:27:21] <Tempt> (somewhere deep inside)
[18:27:43] <carbon60> Which doc, would you think?
[18:27:47] <carbon60> Reference?
[18:27:48] <Tempt> Can't remember.
[18:27:56] <Tempt> Haven't read the docs in a long time apart from man pages.
[18:28:03] <Tempt> Need to catch up on my reading and do 3.2 soon.
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[18:28:23] <Tempt> anyway
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[18:28:25] <Tempt> good night all
[18:28:31] <Tempt> have a SPARCly day.
[18:29:07] * carbon60 groans.
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[18:30:14] <rawn027> well i already ran the ./setup-install-server
[18:30:16] <rawn027> from the cdrom
[18:30:26] <rawn027> so i just added instead of copy command
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[18:48:42] <edwardocallaghan> hey
[18:48:49] <moazamraja> any jumpstart experts in the house?
[18:49:32] <edwardocallaghan> This computer with its quad core 96GHz what ever can't even play pac man
[18:49:36] <moazamraja> got a machine that wont jumpstart
[18:50:02] <moazamraja> I do a 'boot net - install' from the ok prompt, but it seems to boot from disk instead
[18:50:17] <moazamraja> checked /etc/ethers, /etc/bootparams
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[18:50:41] <seanmcg> is the net alias set to the right network ?
[18:50:43] <moazamraja> re sahafeez
[18:50:54] <sahafeez> 'ello
[18:50:58] <moazamraja> seanmcg: net alias? you mean hostname?
[18:51:58] <seanmcg> at the obp, net is a alias to the network device used..
[18:52:33] <sahafeez> for net booting - most boxes only have one nic so...it should be the default
[18:52:52] <moazamraja> my box has multiple nics, but i'm pointing to ce0, the right nic
[18:53:03] <moazamraja> I just jumpstarted an identical box, that one works fine
[18:53:14] <seanmcg> are you seeing any arp requests from the box on the jumpstart server side ?
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[18:55:22] <moazamraja> hmm
[18:55:25] <sahafeez> printenv from the opb will show you what it is seto
[18:55:29] <sahafeez> set to
[18:55:40] <moazamraja> i'm even seeing NFS traffic between the two boxes while the client does 'boot net - install'
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[18:57:13] <moazamraja> Configured interface ce0
[18:57:14] <moazamraja> Setting up Java. Please wait...
[18:57:27] <edwardocallaghan> Can anyone tell me if the nfo driver has had known issuses with DNS lookup ?
[18:57:41] <cmihai> Any GNU screen masters? :-)
[18:57:58] <edwardocallaghan> cmihai:hey again
[18:58:16] <cmihai> I'm trying to set a simple hardstatus line, hardstatus lastline  "%{+b ck} %w  %d/%m/%Y %0c " any idea how to make the %d/%m/%Y %0c part indented left at all times?
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[18:58:32] <seanmcg> moazamraja: looks ok so
[18:58:34] <moazamraja> Beginning system identification...
[18:58:34] <moazamraja> Searching for configuration file(s)...
[18:58:34] <moazamraja> Search complete.
[18:58:36] <moazamraja> Discovering additional network configuration...
[18:58:37] <moazamraja> wtf?
[18:58:59] <seanmcg> moazamraja: this is the usual output for jumpstart..
[18:59:00] <moazamraja> at this point, it goes into the system identification text menu, asking for locale/etc.
[18:59:11] <moazamraja> i'm wtf'ing at the text menu
[18:59:30] <seanmcg> then somethings wrong in the jumpstart config for the box.
[18:59:37] <moazamraja> hmm...
[18:59:54] <moazamraja> i could swear it's identical to the other box i just jumpstarted...
[18:59:54] <moazamraja> argh.
[19:00:00] <moazamraja> i'll have to poke around again..and again
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[19:00:55] <edwardocallaghan> who here has played with nvid chipsets and Solaris ?
[19:02:39] <ofu> the galaxy m2 uses nvidia chips
[19:04:13] <Stric> moazamraja: 'boot net -- install', not 'boot net - install' .. I think it matters
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[19:11:33] <Nishaway> ed - ? Wy?
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[19:15:04] <edwardocallaghan> Nishaway:well
[19:15:22] <edwardocallaghan> nfo has been giving me headacks all day
[19:16:02] <edwardocallaghan> for some reason I can to websites with there ip, seems some what slow
[19:16:15] <edwardocallaghan> name resolv is not working prob
[19:17:24] <edwardocallaghan> although the dns is right i think, dig works and so does getent hosts www.sun.com
[19:17:50] <edwardocallaghan> then when you do that you seem to be able to kind of get to them sites
[19:18:51] <edwardocallaghan> ALTHOUGH  you can't ping there hostnames
[19:19:10] <Plouj> so, what are the disadvantages of iSCSI
[19:19:35] <cmihai> Plouj: no overhead as with NFS.
[19:19:54] <cmihai> It's fast, you can format it as you would any local SCSI disk on the initiator side.
[19:20:11] <cmihai> And with link aggregation (see dladm aggr) you get cheap failover.
[19:20:18] <Plouj> cmihai: DISadvantages
[19:20:33] <cmihai> zpool + GbE cards + aggreagation + jumbo frames + iSCSI = :-)
[19:20:49] <cmihai> Plouj: compared to Fibre Channel (or Infiniband) there's still some overhead.
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[19:21:00] <cmihai> Even if you're using 10GbE over Fibre
[19:21:00] <Plouj> I'm only planning to use zpool + GbE card + iSCSI
[19:21:08] <Plouj> 1GbE, lol
[19:21:13] <cmihai> 10GbE :-)
[19:21:25] <cmihai> 20GbE even if you aggreagate them ehhe
[19:21:29] <cmihai> for failover and stuff
[19:21:42] <Plouj> ok, anyone other than cmihai : what are the disadvantages of iSCSI?
[19:21:53] <gdamore> relative to?
[19:21:56] <cmihai> What, can't i play anymore?
[19:22:17] <cmihai> Relative to Fibre Channel or Infinibat, there's overhead and dealys and might not work well with your cluster or database
[19:22:20] <Plouj> gdamore: relative to NFS, CIFS, and posibly AoE
[19:22:23] <gdamore> i'm not a big fan of iSCSI.... but I think people use it in places where they should be using NFS
[19:22:28] <cmihai> Oracle RAC isn't all that happy with iSCSI for that matter.
[19:23:11] <cmihai> Plouj: compared to NFS and CIFS it's basically faster. But if you have more than one client (initiator) for your target, stick to NFS.
[19:23:16] <gdamore> I don't know how well iSCSI deals with multiple initiators.  NFS and CIFS can support many systems out of the box.
[19:23:25] <cmihai> Exactly.
[19:23:35] <cmihai> Besides, you can use NFS over ZFS
[19:23:40] <gdamore> i'm not sure that iSCSI is faster even.  depends on your application I suspect.
[19:23:46] <cmihai> If you use iSCSI.. you use what the initiator side can deal with.
[19:24:12] <Plouj> I'll probably use iSCSI for my main client (my desktop /root and other directories) and NFS for other clients (brother's and dad's computer)
[19:24:13] <gdamore> so, Plouj, what is your application?
[19:24:15] <cmihai> gdamore: well, NFS over ZFS (w/o compression) might even be faster than say HFS or NTFS over iSCSI. Your mileage may vary
[19:24:24] <Plouj> gdamore: home network with 3 desktops
[19:24:26] <cmihai> Plouj: don't limit yourself :-)
[19:24:27] <cmihai> You can use both :D
[19:24:48] <cmihai> Besides, with zpool they can all share :-)
[19:25:01] <Plouj> I don't want my dad or brother accessing my root!
[19:25:16] <cmihai> zfs create -s -V 1T store/iscsi && zfs set shareiscsi=on store/iscsi
[19:25:22] <Plouj> because I don't trust their computers
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[19:25:40] <cmihai> Dump your stuff in there, the others won't see it :-)
[19:25:51] <cmihai> Oh, right, permissions :P
[19:26:01] <cmihai> Add some security to that heh
[19:26:38] <gdamore> iSCSI scares me... it seems like an answer to the needs of Oracle, etc. that want direct block access.  If you're using a filesystem, I'd prefer to use a system that is designed to *be* a filesystem.
[19:27:04] <gdamore> can you use iSCSI for /  even?  i.e. is it supported for boot disks?
[19:27:15] <Plouj> but with iSCSI I can use XFS which is failsafe, isn't it?
[19:27:25] <Nishaway> Ed - DNS issues? you could try a sys reconfigure just to check things or walk your DNS files (i.e. resolv.conf) manually...
[19:27:36] <cmihai> gdamore: dude
[19:27:38] <Plouj> gdamore: I'd probably have to boot into a ramdisk first
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[19:27:54] <cmihai> iSCSI is not a filesystem.
[19:28:04] <gdamore> Plouj: you must be dealing with linux then.
[19:28:06] <cmihai> iSCSI is a raw volume exported as SCSI over TCP/IP networks.
[19:28:07] <gdamore> cmihai: exactly.
[19:28:09] <Nishaway> ed - or it may be external to your box if not the NIC?
[19:28:12] <Plouj> well, yeah, my clients are Linux
[19:28:18] <cmihai> You can use that as a raw disk for say Oracle
[19:28:23] <cmihai> But... you shouldn't.
[19:28:31] <gdamore> but his usage is ultimately a filesystem... not a block device... so he should use a first-class filesystem rather than layering over iSCSI.
[19:28:35] <edwardocallaghan> Nishaway:I did look at my conf files, I am conviced its the driver
[19:28:36] <cmihai> Oracle doesn't really support that :-). Fibre Channel or bust!
[19:28:49] <cmihai> gdamore: indeed. ZFS :-)
[19:29:09] <Nishaway> What SXCE versionand driver?
[19:29:10] <cmihai> You can use ZFS over iSCSI.
[19:29:18] <gdamore> Linux can boot diskless over NFS.  I think that would be a better choice.
[19:29:28] <cmihai> But that would assume the initiators are MacOS Panther, FreeBSD, Solaris, Nexenta or Linux with FUSE ZFS>
[19:29:33] <gdamore> cmihai: what would the point of that be?
[19:29:38] <firsTimer> I need some hints on how to update my opensolaris installation...
[19:29:39] <cmihai> gdamore: using ZFS ;-)
[19:29:40] <cmihai> As a fs.
[19:29:46] <gdamore> NFS over ZFS. :-)
[19:30:05] <cmihai> Well, yeah :-]. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying it can be done :D
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[19:30:25] <gdamore> that's what I do... my main NAS server only serves up NFS, but the backing store is ZFS.
[19:30:28] <Plouj> how about ZFS over iSCSI over ZFS?
[19:30:40] <cmihai> gdamore: you can even export say... 6 x 20TB from e4500 and have a 1TB volume on a peecee
[19:30:42] <gdamore> Plouj: and the point would be?
[19:30:51] <cmihai> In RAID-5 :D
[19:30:59] <cmihai> Is it insane? VERY :-)
[19:31:02] <Plouj> gdamore: huge stack
[19:31:13] <gdamore> yes.  huge stacks are bad.
[19:31:22] <gdamore> NFS over ZFS is well understood, and small.
[19:31:23] <Plouj> that was a sarcastic suggestion
[19:31:30] <cmihai> firsTimer: Update from DVD / CD, Update via JumpStart or LiveUpgrade. docs.sun.com - read
[19:31:30] <gdamore> and pretty much all clients grok NFS.
[19:31:46] <cmihai> Yeah :-)
[19:31:50] <gdamore> 'cept maybe Windows.  but who wants to run that?
[19:31:55] <cmihai> And zfs has set sharenfs :-)
[19:31:57] <cmihai> That rocks.
[19:32:01] <gdamore> yep.
[19:32:05] <Abe_Froman> windows is getting better about nfs
[19:32:12] <Abe_Froman> (not defending it or anything)
[19:32:18] <cmihai> It's not THAT bad.
[19:32:24] <cmihai> MS SFU / SUA 3.5 that is.
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[19:32:45] <gdamore> i've enjoyed the ability to move my zfs backing store (zpools) and import them into a new OS.  Saved me many many hours of upgrade time relative to some other solution.
[19:33:11] * gdamore hugs zfs import.
[19:33:12] <firsTimer> I've heard about liveupgrade. SunOS solaris-devx 5.11 snv_57 i86pc i386 i86pc, I guess I need to set up an extra root to use liveupgrade. I guess I need to know what partitions are available on the disk or slices are more correct maybe
[19:33:34] <gdamore> i did a *hardware* upgrade.  just moved the zfs disks into a new chassis, zfs import, and bang! :-)
[19:33:35] <cmihai> firsTimer: right.
[19:34:01] <cmihai> firsTimer: do a fresh install, give it a /altroot for happy ever after LiveUpgrades.
[19:34:07] <gdamore> er... zpool import i meant.
[19:34:12] <cmihai> Yeah
[19:34:15] <Plouj> wow, you guys never stop talking
[19:34:20] <cmihai> Containers over ZFS are great too.
[19:34:28] <cmihai> Compression == up to 3x
[19:34:33] <cmihai> VMware machines too
[19:34:35] <gdamore> yeah, but they don't play well with live upgrade.
[19:34:41] <gdamore> at least not in nevada. :-(
[19:34:44] <cmihai> Yeah :-(
[19:34:52] <cmihai> Plouj: nah, we're working :P
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[19:35:22] <Plouj> I know. I'm doing the same.
[19:35:30] <Stric> cmihai: although the lzo stuff looks more promising.. faster and better compression ;)
[19:35:45] <firsTimer> cmihai: I added a /secondroot at install but didnt do anything with it yet. So df doesnt show it
[19:35:55] <cmihai> firsTimer: format will.
[19:36:07] <cmihai> firsTimer: just read the docs on LiveUpgrade, it's easy.
[19:36:26] <vmlemon> Is SCLA (Solaris Containers for Linux Applications) out yet?
[19:36:44] <cmihai> vmlemon: don't you mean BrandX? lxrun branded zones?
[19:36:45] <quasi> vmlemon: look for brandZ
[19:36:46] <cmihai> It's out.
[19:36:53] <vmlemon> OK
[19:37:00] <cmihai> vmlemon: it will be in Solaris 10u4 too 8/07. Right now, it's only in nevada builds.
[19:37:08] <cmihai> Also look for Cluster branded zones.
[19:37:19] <vmlemon> I have snv_65a, at the moment
[19:37:27] <vmlemon> *64a
[19:37:40] <vmlemon> Not sure if this build contains it, or not
[19:37:53] <cmihai> It does.
[19:38:04] <cmihai> Well, it can.
[19:38:13] <cmihai> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/
[19:38:35] <firsTimer> cmihai: hmm, format needs the device name to find it ? only format didnt work
[19:38:44] <cmihai> firsTimer: eh?
[19:38:45] <cmihai> Poke 0
[19:38:49] <cmihai> or whatever your disk is
[19:38:58] <cmihai> format < /dev/null
[19:39:01] <cmihai> lists your disk
[19:39:06] <cmihai> format -> pick your disk\
[19:39:20] <cmihai> will say: /dev/bla is reserved for /altroot or something like that
[19:39:31] <cmihai> Just list those slices
[19:39:49] <firsTimer> cmihai: sorry I didnt do it as root
[19:39:54] <cmihai> Well, duh :-)
[19:40:58] <firsTimer> cmihai: :-), it's not easy, when ..
[19:41:05] <gdamore> why run brand lx ... i avoid linux as much as i can.  all my zones are native. :-)
[19:41:28] <gdamore> ip-exclusive zones + GLDv3 is a godsend.
[19:41:53] <edwardocallaghan> so guys, when will the nfo driver be intgrated into express ?
[19:41:55] <gdamore> i've got three different isolated network security levels in my system, all on a single hardware machine, running zones.
[19:42:25] <edwardocallaghan> build 70 or what ?
[19:42:29] <gdamore> why would it ever be?  does it do something that nge doesn't do?
[19:43:07] <edwardocallaghan> yes i think it does, if i am not mistaken ?
[19:43:13] <gdamore> what?
[19:43:23] <gdamore> i know of no plans to integrate nfo.
[19:43:36] <edwardocallaghan> supports some other chipset versions ?
[19:43:38] <quasi> gdamore: supposedly it supports more nvidia onboards than nge
[19:43:50] <gdamore> that is probably easily fixed in nge.
[19:44:06] <edwardocallaghan> my device did not show up untill i installed it
[19:44:28] <edwardocallaghan> Well, can it be fixed then ?
[19:44:34] <gdamore> send me your device details... i can access nge source, i can look at patching support for it if you will test for me.
[19:44:43] <quasi> gdamore: that would be nice, but so far no progress on the bug that's been there since last year
[19:44:46] <edwardocallaghan> This thing is drive us nuts here
[19:44:52] <gdamore> bugid?
[19:45:04] <gdamore> i can drive it forward, if need be.
[19:45:22] <gdamore> i've already pushed and gotten them to fix some other things... like adding additional chipset support to rge.
[19:45:26] <edwardocallaghan> Well I don't own this hardware
[19:45:58] <gdamore> without the ability to test, we can't validate or commit the fix.
[19:46:02] <edwardocallaghan> i only have windows on my hands now... its the same system, I am at someones house
[19:46:07] <gdamore> i can work with the community to test, though.
[19:46:31] <gdamore> i don't know how to get the info from windows.  prtconf -vp is what i need in solaris.
[19:46:36] <gdamore> lspci in linux.
[19:46:49] <quasi> gdamore:am trying to dig out an id
[19:46:52] <rawn027> so i am starting again
[19:46:57] <gdamore> ok.
[19:47:00] <rawn027> with my jet jumpstart server
[19:47:16] <edwardocallaghan> i don't have root
[19:47:17] <rawn027> following this guide: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/jet/
[19:47:28] <edwardocallaghan> or any account for that matter
[19:47:40] <edwardocallaghan> as i say its his hardware
[19:47:44] <edwardocallaghan> hold on
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[19:48:04] <quasi> gdamore: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6497473
[19:48:32] <gdamore> ah, its deferred NRA.  that means I can effectively take it over.
[19:48:35] <seanmcg> edwardocallaghan: /usr/X11/bin/scanpci ?
[19:48:37] <edwardocallaghan> btw I fully understand what you need but I can only tell you what i have to work with..
[19:49:09] <nachox> anyone read solaris internals? i dont remember if it explained what happened when you were using truss in a process and how it affected it's performance
[19:49:19] <edwardocallaghan>  will reboot with the admin shell in grub
[19:49:26] <quasi> gdamore: I think it is the same nic I have - it detects, loads nge and then drops the link
[19:49:41] <gdamore> hmm... i suspect it may be lack of hardware checksum support on the device.
[19:49:51] <quasi> yeah, seems likely
[19:50:17] <edwardocallaghan> nForce2 Ethernet Controller
[19:50:37] <quasi> mine is the exact same pci id
[19:50:42] <edwardocallaghan> I get told to install a 3rd party driver nfo by the solaris install check tool
[19:50:49] <gdamore> all right, email me offline ( garrett at damore dot org ) with details, and folks who are willing to help test, and I'll see what I can do.
[19:51:36] <edwardocallaghan> if I can find some where I can buy this mb I am willing to test but I am a student so $$$ permit
[19:53:21] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: I got one in an asus P1-AH2
[19:53:52] <gdamore> i'm pretty sure i know what i need to do. :-)
[19:54:09] <gdamore> there are specific lines of code in nge that I can see need to be updated.
[19:54:18] <gdamore> the problem is that I cannot test the results.
[19:54:32] <quasi> gdamore: http://blogs.sun.com/PotstickerGuru/entry/getting_solaris_x86_graphics_nic has a bit more
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[19:55:03] <quasi> gdamore: I'm more than willing to test - am putting together a mail of details for you now
[19:55:22] <gdamore> I know James.  I might contact him offlist.
[19:55:30] <rawn027> how minimal should I install if I am going to be setting up a JumpStart server
[19:55:39] <rawn027> obviously no X11 or anything like that
[19:55:47] <edwardocallaghan> I read that page two
[19:56:04] <edwardocallaghan> I am not using the alpha driver, should I be?
[19:56:17] <gdamore> you need end-user, and probably even developer, both of which include X11.  you'd have to remove it manually.
[19:56:19] <firsTimer> cmihai: I've found my /secondroot partition and are planning create an ufs out of it for liveupgrade, but not sure whats the next step is
[19:56:38] <rawn027> gdamore: are you talking to me?
[19:56:41] <gdamore> edwardocallaghan: i'm not sure it makes that much difference.
[19:56:47] <gdamore> rawn027: yes.
[19:56:59] <rawn027> so just do custom selection
[19:57:04] <rawn027> to drill down exactly what i need
[19:57:08] <rawn027> but start at the complete set
[19:57:10] <edwardocallaghan> gdamore:OK
[19:57:16] <rawn027> and then resolv dependencies as they appear
[19:57:29] <edwardocallaghan> I am willing to test if it was my computer or I had more time
[19:57:55] <edwardocallaghan> the NIC seems to work but DNS is not working and all the conf files are fine
[19:58:11] <vmlemon> Do I have to be logged into a BrandZ, to use a Linux binary?
[19:58:27] <vmlemon> Or does one just need to be installed and "booted"?
[20:01:27] <postwait> vmlemon: logged into the zone
[20:01:38] <vmlemon> OK
[20:04:18] <firsTimer> when using lupgrade, what preparation do I need ? lucreate ... -c first disk... -m second disk....and thats it ? I have /secondroot on the same size as /
[20:04:28] <edwardocallaghan> how do you turn off ipv6 ?
[20:04:31] <firsTimer> 12gb or so
[20:05:45] <postwait> edwardocallaghan: turn it off?
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[20:08:22] <cmihai> firsTimer: just read the LU guide mate. No need to mess with anything else.
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[20:09:03] <quasi> postwait: any progress with the sata controller?
[20:09:47] <edwardocallaghan> yea i was thinking that it _could_ be mesing with dns?
[20:11:16] <axisys> how do I pkill -u user for a specific zone from global?
[20:11:37] <firsTimer> cmihai: can't find any lu guide on the opensolaris site
[20:12:16] <elijahwright> isn't LU one of the things that is real-solaris-only? due to IP issues with LU?
[20:12:17] <postwait> quasi: nothing good.  Still hangs a lot.
[20:12:40] <quasi> postwait: damn
[20:13:33] <cmihai> firsTimer: docs.sun.com
[20:15:09] <firsTimer> cmihai: as elijahwright says I only found some docs for solaris10 there. But I've heard LU works on opensolaris too
[20:15:25] <elijahwright> i kinda thought opensolaris was BFU-to-upgrade
[20:15:36] <pfn> bfu?
[20:16:10] <postwait> quasi: we're going to upgrade to 67 and try that.
[20:16:13] <postwait> I'm not hopeful though
[20:16:33] <elijahwright> bfu = blindingly fast upgrade
[20:17:33] <firsTimer> elijahwright: well I think after you set up a second root.
[20:17:54] <firsTimer> cmihai: Im looking at those pages, but wasnt very friedly.
[20:19:16] <cmihai> firsTimer: read the docs for Solaris 10 mkey
[20:19:26] <cmihai> LiveUpgrade applies for anything 7-11
[20:19:31] <cmihai> And should upgrade over 2 installs
[20:19:34] <cmihai> eg: 9-11
[20:19:51] <cmihai> 11 being an nevada build, but those aren't actually "supported" :-).
[20:20:14] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you around ?
[20:20:42] <carbon60> Oh man, Live Upgrade has confused me.
[20:20:54] <carbon60> Now I keep booting out of the wrong slice.
[20:21:04] <firsTimer> cmihai: ok, I've got nevada build 57
[20:21:24] <cmihai> firsTimer: doesn't matter, you can upgrade that to any nevada build > 57
[20:21:37] <firsTimer> ok
[20:21:44] <cmihai> firsTimer: http://hell.jedicoder.net/?p=39
[20:21:45] <cmihai> :-)
[20:22:37] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:hello
[20:22:57] <dclarke> hey guy ..
[20:23:04] <dclarke> I'm messing with routing
[20:23:10] <dclarke> and not doing too well thus far
[20:23:23] <dclarke> I am not a networking guru .. or even a gu
[20:23:42] <dclarke> so .. give me some time to figure out this whole route add -net foo
[20:24:33] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:Work your magic, thanks for your time ;)
[20:24:51] <firsTimer> cmihai: TY
[20:25:33] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  at the moment I am looking at the Global zone and setting up a route from your zone to the local router to the world
[20:25:40] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  if you know what I mean
[20:26:21] <quasi> postwait: the changes list didn't seem to have anything related in 67
[20:30:13] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:sure
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[20:30:26] <edwardocallaghan> what seems to be the problem ?
[20:30:58] <rawn027> is there a recommendation for partition setup for a boot/js server?
[20:31:09] <rawn027> obviously not the default where everything is in /export/home right?
[20:31:39] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  need to setup networks and netmasks such that routing happens correctly from bge2:1 to the world
[20:31:55] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  oh .. and I need to setup routing.conf via the new tools
[20:32:36] <oninoshiko> i love the totally undefined buzzwords
[20:33:42] <dclarke> what buzzwords ?
[20:33:48] <dclarke> like "network" ?
[20:33:54] <vmlemon> "Green"?
[20:34:14] <oninoshiko> "jumbo frames" comes to mind
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[20:37:22] <edwardocallaghan> jumbo sounds big like 64bit
[20:37:27] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[20:37:34] <oninoshiko> lol
[20:37:47] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:anything you are stuck on ?
[20:38:14] <Abe_Froman> actually they are bigger than that. ~9kb
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[20:40:16] <dclarke> not stuck .. just annoyed
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[20:40:30] <edwardocallaghan> OK I am build a file server for office backups tomorrow, if I use nexenta for this with samba and windows backup util that work out nice ?
[20:40:51] <dclarke> just use Solaris 10
[20:40:52] <twincest> an alpha OS to put all your important backups on?  heh
[20:41:05] <pfn> why use windows backup?
[20:41:09] <pfn> if you're using a solaris fileserver...
[20:41:17] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:oh, i'm a bit the same way, I can't get the nfo NIC to work right dns issuses :p
[20:41:48] <edwardocallaghan> pfn:too automate it
[20:41:57] <pfn> so cron and zfs snapshots
[20:42:04] <pfn> or zfs send | ssh zfs recv
[20:42:16] <edwardocallaghan> Its not really alpha, it has the SunOS kernel I don't see the problem ?
[20:42:53] <edwardocallaghan> but they are windows boxs and users who know where the power button is...
[20:43:07] <rawn027> edwardocallaghan: nexenta is terrible
[20:43:16] <edwardocallaghan> why ?
[20:43:21] <rawn027> do it without them knowing
[20:43:37] <rawn027> windows can be scripted nicely
[20:43:41] <rawn027> setup a cifs server (samba) on solaris
[20:43:49] <rawn027> that stores everything to a ZFS pool
[20:44:04] <rawn027> each user has their own folder on the server
[20:44:15] <edwardocallaghan> I could use the latest build but I only have like a P2 or somthing to work with
[20:44:16] <rawn027> but the backups are done of their home folder when they logoff
[20:44:19] <rawn027> or login
[20:44:34] <rawn027> i would use solaris 10
[20:44:38] <rawn027> its very easy to use
[20:44:42] <rawn027> and its free
[20:44:45] <rawn027> and its production
[20:44:53] <edwardocallaghan> I know man, I use it
[20:45:02] <rawn027> so then why not do that?
[20:45:30] <rawn027> do you use AD at your office?
[20:45:31] <edwardocallaghan> package managment and the lack of it
[20:45:48] <rawn027> what packages will you need on a backup server?
[20:45:54] <edwardocallaghan> AD ? also I am not in a office
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[20:46:02] <rawn027> Active Directory
[20:46:12] <edwardocallaghan> if they would like to change anything
[20:46:15] <edwardocallaghan> no
[20:46:30] <rawn027> ok if you need package management you could use blastwave
[20:46:36] <rawn027> does everything via wget
[20:46:41] <rawn027> all the dependencies and everything
[20:46:41] <edwardocallaghan> its a simple backup server and I was thinking ZFS would be nice
[20:46:52] <pfn> who needs AD
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[20:46:57] <pfn> just use samba as PDC + openldap
[20:47:01] <edwardocallaghan> I may just go with a stript down Linux box
[20:47:23] <rawn027> well if you are going to go that way i suggest just useing OpenFiler or FreeNAS
[20:47:35] <rawn027> but solaris 10 would be my first choice
[20:47:42] <edwardocallaghan> blastwave will take down stuff I don't need for Sol8
[20:47:49] * pfn is in the process of trying to figure out how to do an opensolaris equivalent of openfiler/freenas
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[20:48:19] <rawn027> pfn: as am i, maybe we can team up and brainstorm on that topic
[20:48:49] <pfn> rawn027, right now, I'm thinking about basing it off of the x86.miniroot (install/safe)
[20:48:58] <edwardocallaghan> OpenFiler is the go, thanks
[20:49:07] <edwardocallaghan> it needs to be KISS
[20:49:08] <rawn027> np
[20:49:08] <pfn> add in a few necessities, iscsi, sshd and samba
[20:49:16] <rawn027> exactly
[20:49:26] <pfn> and nfs3/4 if it isn't on the miniroot already
[20:49:30] <rawn027> is there zfs  support
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[20:49:36] <pfn> the miniroot has zfs support
[20:49:43] <rawn027> perfect
[20:49:53] <rawn027> now there needs to be a web based admin tool
[20:49:59] <rawn027> that can control it all
[20:50:07] <pfn> don't need no web based admin tool... at least I don't particularly care for it
[20:50:08] <chris_d> I have a ZFS performance issue that's hard to pin down.
[20:50:13] <chris_d> Here's the scenario:
[20:50:18] <pfn> if the webconsole is small enough, I'd think about using it
[20:50:29] <pfn> otherwise, if I'm coerced enough, I'd write a java UI that's distributed via jnlp
[20:50:30] <chris_d> Linux workstations mounting a ZFS share from a thumper.
[20:50:35] <rawn027> pfn: if it wants to compete with openfiler or freenas it does
[20:50:38] <cmihai> chris_d: via what?
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[20:50:46] <cmihai> chris_d: NFS, CIFS, iSCSI raw disk, what?
[20:50:51] <chris_d> NFS.
[20:50:57] <cmihai> v4?
[20:50:57] <pfn> rawn027, I don't necessarily care to compete
[20:51:09] <chris_d> The thumper has all 4 ports aggregated to an etherchannel on a Cisco switch.
[20:51:10] * pfn would guess nfs v3 since it's linux
[20:51:11] <chris_d> GigE.
[20:51:29] <chris_d> nfs v3, forced on the thumber (NFS_MAX_VER=3)
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[20:51:36] <rawn027> pfn: agreed but would be nice to have the simplicity to say give to my brother for sake of argument and not have him ask me any questions
[20:51:53] <pfn> rawn027, I leave that to more interested/intrepid folks
[20:51:54] <chris_d> If I tar /usr to the share on the thumper, it's very fast--faster than local disk.
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[20:52:11] <rawn027> pfn: fair enough
[20:52:22] <chris_d> If, however, I untar /usr from the share to the share (everything on the thumper disk), it's very, very slow.
[20:52:53] <cmihai> chris_d: try that scenario with CIFS.
[20:53:00] <cmihai> Better get NFS out of the way.
[20:53:01] <noyb> here's a zfs test script I've written, and I thought you folks might try it, modify it, learn from it:  http://pastebin.ca/601804
[20:53:17] <chris_d> cmihai: CIFS is not an option here. It must be NFS.
[20:53:24] <cmihai> chris_d: than I'd figure you can try with / without compression, follow the load on the servers and such.
[20:53:25] <pfn> rawn027, but like I say, I already have ideas on how it would be done from jnlp
[20:53:43] <cmihai> chris_d: right. Doesn't matter, just test it. If you get similar performance from CIFS we can pinpoint it as a ZFS issue and not a NFS issue.
[20:53:48] <rawn027> pfn: i have never worked with jnlp
[20:53:50] <pfn> rawn027, rich admin application -> tomcat (via xmlrpc/json-rpc or soap) -> zfs/zpool commands
[20:53:59] <chris_d> cmihai: Good point--I'll try it.
[20:54:00] <pfn> rawn027, jnlp is just a java app distribution method
[20:54:01] <rawn027> cant tomcat be a resource hog
[20:54:14] <pfn> rawn027, it only hogs as much resources as you need
[20:54:15] <pfn> so, no
[20:54:23] <chris_d> cmihai: I don't have any Windows machines, so I'll have to go with smbfs. :)
[20:54:44] <rawn027> pfn: any thoughts on the glassflash project
[20:54:55] <pfn> rawn027, it's overkill
[20:55:41] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  hey .. can you ping moonshine.opn4.org ??
[20:55:47] <rawn027> i guess you could even have an optimized shell
[20:55:56] <rawn027> if you wanted to go that far
[20:56:03] <cmihai> chris_d: umg... tar over ssh might be an option, but there's compression overhead right there ;-). I'd rather have you try something like transfer over CIFS. Oh well.
[20:56:06] <rawn027> but seems too restrictive for some users
[20:56:07] <pfn> rawn027, it's easier than a full blown webapp
[20:56:35] <chris_d> cmihai: I've set up the CIFS share, and I'm mounting using smbfs on the Linux box.
[20:56:46] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  oh .. heck ... never mind .. I have ICMP blocked
[20:56:50] <rawn027> pfn: do you have any installs of Express N67
[20:56:57] <chris_d> cmihai: We could, of course, turn off compression on tar over ssh.
[20:57:00] <pfn> rawn027, no, I'm on sxde b64a
[20:57:24] <rawn027> pfn: i am planning on moving back to that, I have had nothing but issues with 67
[20:57:44] <rawn027> just wish ruby would compile with SunStudio 12
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[20:57:56] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:<pong>
[20:58:23] <pfn> rawn027, why ruby?
[20:58:32] <cmihai> chris_d: yeah, and use something like -c blowfish for a faster encryption algorythm. Just do a few tests and monitor iostat and zpool iostat and network and machine loads and so on. If you can pinpoint it as a network or a ZFS issue, you have a better idea of what's actually happening.
[20:58:46] <rawn027> pfn: i like ruby
[20:58:54] <pfn> rawn027, there's also jruby...
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[20:59:01] <rawn027> jruby?
[20:59:10] <pfn> rawn027, ruby ported to java
[20:59:16] <pfn> runs at comparable cruby speeds
[20:59:25] <cmihai> Better ;P
[20:59:27] <cmihai> And it's fully threaded.
[20:59:32] <cmihai> And erm.. you can use Java stuff
[20:59:35] <cmihai> and erm... well you get the idea.
[20:59:43] <pfn> I think rails worked on jruby...
[21:00:06] <rawn027> wow
[21:00:06] <cmihai> Yeah
[21:00:07] <pfn> if that's what you're after
[21:00:18] <rawn027> seems kinda ass backwards no?
[21:00:33] <pfn> not really
[21:00:49] <pfn> there's also jython (java python) but that seems to be a dead project...
[21:01:11] <rawn027> i will check that out when i get home
[21:01:14] <rawn027> after i install SXDE
[21:02:05] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:status?
[21:02:23] <rawn027> there should be another version coming out this month right
[21:02:36] <pfn> 3 months
[21:02:44] <pfn> b64a was may, so that'd make it august?
[21:02:50] <rawn027> i thought it was every two
[21:02:59] <rawn027> imust be blind :) 3 your right
[21:03:02] <CSFrost> pfn, that was the slickest, most cunning marketing of Jruby, I've seen! Congradulations.
[21:03:04] <rawn027> so yeah end of summer
[21:03:19] <pfn> CSFrost, ?  I've never used jruby  :p
[21:03:26] <pfn> it's just a suggestion  :)
[21:03:44] <pfn> if you've got problems building it, there's always the option of running it on java
[21:04:11] <CSFrost> rawn027, did you ask on the ruby mailing list why the new version won't compile with studio, but the old will?
[21:04:21] * pfn should take the time to learn a jvm scripting language one of these days
[21:04:24] <rawn027> CSFrost: no
[21:04:25] <pfn> groovy or scala sound interesting
[21:04:54] <CSFrost> pfn, I think they changed something in the scripts, I seem to remember having to edit something in the past, just my memory isn't good enough to remember what it was
[21:05:02] <CSFrost> that is why he is having issues.
[21:05:20] <rawn027> oh really
[21:05:29] <rawn027> was there a fix for it?
[21:05:36] <rawn027> or do we need to wait for ruby 1.8.7
[21:05:55] <CSFrost> I'd have to skim through the list, to see if it was mentioned.
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[21:06:14] <chris_d> OK.
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[21:06:32] <chris_d> If I untar the file on the thumper, the performance is as suspected--very fast.
[21:06:51] <edwardocallaghan> can some one give me the link to the changes page for the new builds please?
[21:06:53] <rawn027> what is said list
[21:06:55] <chris_d> It's hard to test the performance scenario that's failing without taking NFS out of the loop.
[21:06:59] <cmihai> chris_d: so now you're thinking it could be NFS?
[21:07:25] <CSFrost> rawn027, ruby-talk at ruby-lang dot org
[21:07:38] <chris_d> cmihai: How can I test my case, which is untarring a large file on the zpool on a remote machine?
[21:08:35] <cmihai> chris_d: you could use a benchmark or at least some kind of proper read / write test on the local machine first.
[21:08:38] <cmihai> Come up with some numbers.
[21:08:58] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  give me a full name please for the /etc/passwd
[21:09:15] <cmihai> Then do the same over NFS, SSH, CIFS and / or even ftp. That should give you some indication of read / write speeds over network.
[21:09:26] <cmihai> chris_d: what you need to be thinking here... is how aggregation comes into play.
[21:09:37] <chris_d> OK.
[21:09:40] <cmihai> chris_d: Now if you were to use dladm aggregation...
[21:09:56] <chris_d> cmihai: I'm using dladm aggregation...
[21:10:05] <cmihai> You'd still top at 1Gbps uploads from the clients.
[21:10:10] <cmihai> So that's a limit right there.
[21:10:10] <CSFrost> rawn027, lemme check ruby-core, and see if the suggestions were submitted or not..
[21:10:17] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  your uid will be 20015 and an 8 char username of ecallagh
[21:10:31] <chris_d> cmihai: If I run the test on an smbfs, the performance is very different.
[21:10:41] <cmihai> chris_d: better or worse? :-)
[21:11:16] <chris_d> Wait one...
[21:11:19] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:ok
[21:11:42] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  what shell would you like ?
[21:11:45] <chris_d> So, the tar is a little slower.
[21:11:50] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  sh bash tcsh ?
[21:12:00] <chris_d> The untar to tar performance ration is significantly better, though.
[21:12:06] <chris_d> If you get my meaning.
[21:12:14] <cmihai> chris_d: the upload is faster?
[21:12:28] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:sh can I change to zsh or bash once I am login ?
[21:12:32] <rawn027> maybe this is a really stupid questions: but does Dtrace exist for java?
[21:12:45] <rawn027> edawrd: just type zsh
[21:12:50] <gdamore> its not a stupid question.
[21:12:59] <rawn027> if you want it to be perm then use the usermod command
[21:13:08] <rawn027> gdamore: thanks
[21:13:11] <twincest> you can't usermod yourself
[21:13:16] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:zsh please :\
[21:13:21] <gdamore> but i *suspect* you only want DTrace for java if you're debugging the jvm.
[21:13:22] <rawn027> twincest: sure you can
[21:13:29] <twincest> rawn027: usermod has no privileges
[21:13:59] <gdamore> passwd -e
[21:14:02] <rawn027> twincest: maybe cause i did it as root
[21:14:10] <twincest> you can't passwd -e yourself either :)
[21:14:12] <rawn027> it worked just fine :)
[21:14:14] <twincest> i was working on the rfe to fix that
[21:14:25] <gdamore> passwd -e -r nis works fine for me.
[21:15:06] <gdamore> ah, i see it requires superuser for the files repository
[21:15:33] <pfn> chsh
[21:15:37] <CSFrost> rawn027, http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/11475
[21:15:43] <gdamore> that's kinda silly, esp. since passwd is already suid.
[21:15:46] <CSFrost> so it appears they are aware..
[21:15:53] <chris_d> cmihai: untar on smbfs: 11s
[21:16:02] <chris_d> cmihai: untar on nfs: 212s
[21:16:05] <gdamore> pfn: chsh is not solaris.   linux?
[21:16:08] <chris_d> cmihai: :(
[21:16:31] <pfn> gdamore, I remember it being on sunos4...
[21:16:44] <gdamore> it may have been.   maybe in /usr/ucb?
[21:16:59] <gdamore> not on my system at least.
[21:17:25] <pfn> http://www.networkcomputing.com/unixworld/tutorial/003.html
[21:17:34] <pfn> there's a reference to it existing in /bin on sunos 4.1.3
[21:17:41] <gdamore> passwd -e is the solaris way of doing it.  at one point i had a chsh program that did the same thing, but it was implemented for Qualcomm's mysql namespace repository
[21:18:24] <gdamore> i'm slightly surprised it isn't in /usr/ucb, but i guess that was not considered important for UCB compatibility.
[21:18:42] <twincest> having a setuid program like that from the ancient bsd stuff sounds dangerous :)
[21:18:49] <cmihai> chris_d: well, I can suggest sucky Linux NFS clients
[21:18:57] <cmihai> chris_d: get another Solaris BOX, NFSv4 and give it another spin
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[21:19:18] <chris_d> cmihai: If I untar locally, reading the file from the NFS partition and writing to the local disk, it's .44s.
[21:19:19] <cmihai> gdamore: nah, chsh is UNIX mate :-)
[21:19:30] <edwardocallaghan> I am off to sleep for like 2h max
[21:19:39] <gdamore> BSD UNIX maybe.  not SYSV apparently.
[21:19:41] <cmihai> gdamore: AIX and BSD too
[21:19:48] <CSFrost> 1:59:59...
[21:19:54] <CSFrost> 1:59:58..
[21:20:21] <chris_d> cmihai: It's only slow if I read from NFS and write to NFS.
[21:20:24] <CSFrost> sorry, force of habit...
[21:20:36] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:email me if you need to, just pick your defaults if you need pass/user details ect.. can change later if its really a problem
[21:21:41] <rawn027> CSFROST: thanks
[21:21:47] <rawn027> oh hey, caps lol
[21:21:55] <edwardocallaghan> ok looks like i am not going to bed
[21:22:04] <edwardocallaghan> work starts now
[21:22:17] <edwardocallaghan> today is going to be hardcore
[21:22:35] <CSFrost> bad mental image
[21:22:45] <rawn027> Poll: what shell do you use
[21:23:07] <rawn027> I am a bash guy, never really made a decision. Just what I fell into when I started.
[21:23:15] <cmihai> chris_d: well, whatever it is, it looks like NFS performance issues. I've had a issues with dodgy NFS clients, mostly the ones on Linux.
[21:23:26] <CSFrost> ksh99 for the win!~
[21:23:29] <cmihai> chris_d: is iSCSI an option?
[21:23:42] <cmihai> CSFrost: : ksh88 for the Win - Microsoft Services for UNIX :P
[21:23:44] <pfn> I used tcsh when I'd first started out with unix
[21:23:49] <pfn> then came along bash
[21:23:52] <pfn> and I've used that since
[21:23:54] <edwardocallaghan> zsh looks the go but use mostly use bash
[21:24:17] <rawn027> pfn: impressive I was going to check out Zsh. Bash can be annoying sometimes
[21:24:32] <rawn027> anyone remember the huge security hole in Bash when v3 came out?
[21:24:39] <cmihai> ZFS ftw.
[21:24:44] <cmihai> ZSH :-)
[21:24:46] <pfn> no, unless it was related to file globbing
[21:24:47] <edwardocallaghan> yes, yes it can
[21:24:52] * pfn shrugs
[21:24:57] <pfn> I have no real annoyances with bash
[21:25:05] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan : can you try to ssh into that server please ?
[21:25:08] <pfn> except for the instances that shell scripts are incompatible with /bin/sh
[21:25:15] <pfn> that's the only time it's an annoyance
[21:25:19] <rawn027> pfn: does it ever not read your .bash_profile or .bash_login?
[21:25:21] <oxygene> pfn: one downside of bash is that it's slow
[21:25:26] <pfn> rawn027, I've never had that
[21:25:28] <CSFrost> KSH04 FTMFSEW!!
[21:25:44] <pfn> oxygene, it's never mattered in usage, and I'm not running tight loops in shell scripts
[21:25:55] <CSFrost> why are we having shell fights again? we aren't at the beach...
[21:26:03] <pfn> rawn027, it reads those when you're a login shell, it doesn't if you're not...
[21:26:10] <oxygene> pfn: just something to know - switching from bash to ash or zsh sped up a large shell script by factor 3
[21:26:13] <rawn027> CSFrost: lol i guess i am to blame this time
[21:26:19] <oxygene> pfn: but it usually doesn't matter
[21:26:29] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan : dude?  you alive there ?
[21:26:42] <CSFrost> shh, he is sleeping dclarke
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[21:27:13] <dclarke> sleeping ?
[21:27:17] <dclarke> wtf ...
[21:27:23] <CSFrost> he said he was going to anyways.. lol
[21:27:28] <pfn> the thing I like about ksh, sometimes, is the shared history support
[21:27:31] <pfn> I like it at the same time I hate it
[21:27:41] <rawn027> shared history
[21:27:50] <rawn027> like other ppl on the system can see what commands your typing?
[21:27:52] <CSFrost> dclarke, unless he really did change his mind :-P
[21:27:53] <pfn> no
[21:28:00] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:I don't have anything else then putty on windows
[21:28:00] <pfn> rawn027, between multiple shells spawned by the same user
[21:28:10] <pfn> rawn027, say you login to a system twice, the history is shared between the two users
[21:28:13] <pfn> s/users/logins
[21:28:15] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  that will work fine
[21:28:16] <rawn027> pfn: ahhh that is better, i got worried for a minute :-P
[21:28:18] <pfn> (same user)
[21:28:31] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  just select ssh and then try to login to that server
[21:28:36] <pfn> sometimes I want to retrieve the history from another window, sometimes I want the previous command
[21:28:42] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  also .. check your email
[21:28:47] <pfn> it's very irritating when I do prev-cmd only to get the other terminal's last command
[21:29:02] <edwardocallaghan> does not let me
[21:29:09] <pfn> othertimes, it saves me from having to search for the terminal that had the command I want to run
[21:29:23] <rawn027> thats what i call 6 in one, half dozen in the other ;)
[21:29:27] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  what do you mean ?
[21:29:35] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  you get no response ?
[21:29:44] <pfn> nowadays, I just use screen with 10-12 sub-windows
[21:29:45] <pfn> heh
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[21:30:38] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  hello ?
[21:30:49] <rawn027> btw I would like to thank whoever told my to use snoop to figure out my jumpstart problem
[21:30:52] <aruiz> can I do pkgadd -d package1 package2 ?
[21:30:55] <edwardocallaghan> Well I can ping but if I put moonshine.opn4.org it says connection refused
[21:31:04] <rawn027> yet another tool in solaris which owns its linux counterpart
[21:31:17] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  odd .. I just logged in as you via ssh
[21:31:27] <pfn> rawn027, snoop is better than tcpdump/wireshark?
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[21:31:39] <pfn> snoop always seemed to be thee quivalent of tcpdump, to me
[21:31:43] <rawn027> i wouldnt say better than wireshark at all
[21:31:45] <pfn> and nothing compared to wireshark
[21:31:46] <blueandwhiteg3> hey, where is the .ssh directory for root stored?
[21:31:46] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry, waitting for this 900GHZ Winz platform
[21:31:55] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, /.ssh
[21:31:56] <rawn027> but i liked the -v option in snoop much better than tcpdump -v
[21:31:57] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, duh  :p
[21:31:58] <dclarke> 900 GHz ?
[21:31:59] <rawn027> much more readable
[21:32:07] <rawn027> wireshark pwns all
[21:32:12] <pfn> what I want is an option to tcpdump to dump only the packet payload
[21:32:15] <pfn> instead of all headers, etc.
[21:32:17] <blueandwhiteg3> pfn: I already looked... there's no directory there
[21:32:20] <edwardocallaghan> For SP2 overclocked :D
[21:32:21] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, create it!
[21:32:27] <blueandwhiteg3> alright, alright
[21:32:29] <rawn027> rofl @ pfn
[21:32:46] <rawn027> sys admins get bitter at the end of the day :-P
[21:33:11] <pfn> rawn027, I'm not a sysadmin and I'm bitter all the time  ;-)
[21:33:28] <rawn027> pfn: fair enough :)
[21:34:10] <rawn027> hmmm i wonder if there is a web configuration utility for JumpStart
[21:34:29] <rawn027> could be a project for me
[21:34:59] <pfn> ugh, I wish I had a faster box...
[21:35:08] <pfn> need to plead with the wife to let me buy a new computer  ;-)
[21:35:21] <pfn> hmm, I wonder if asterisk works in an lx zone
[21:35:23] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  umm .. you alive still ?
[21:35:41] <pfn> [pfnguyen@ares ~]$ ssh root@vsol ls -ld /.ssh
[21:35:42] <pfn> drwx------   2 root     root         512 Jun 28 14:19 /.ssh
[21:36:16] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:sorry trying things out, its 5am
[21:36:33] <dclarke> 5am ... oh ..
[21:36:37] <dclarke> to heck with it
[21:36:38] <edwardocallaghan> its prob norton crap whatever
[21:36:40] <dclarke> we can check in later
[21:36:53] <dclarke> how about this as a lark .. just run Solaris ?
[21:36:54] <edwardocallaghan> ok thanks
[21:37:44] <edwardocallaghan> Well at the moment I am in transition between two conterys
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[21:37:49] <CSFrost> I concur, it's a good time for a nap..
[21:37:58] <edwardocallaghan> I am moving from the UK to Oz
[21:38:08] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  that is a heck of a leap
[21:38:13] <CSFrost> You're that used to smoking?
[21:38:18] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  let's leave it for later
[21:38:21] <CSFrost> I kid.. I kid..
[21:38:34] <edwardocallaghan> Yea I know at my age it is
[21:38:45] <edwardocallaghan> because I am a kid @ 20
[21:39:01] <edwardocallaghan> anyway this is not my computer
[21:39:14] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan :  for now I will change the root passwd and we cna talk later
[21:39:43] <edwardocallaghan> I am trying to sort somthing out like build a box from scaps
[21:40:16] <dclarke> well ... that zone will sit there .. it has your name on it
[21:40:22] <dclarke> you have a password that I mailed to you
[21:40:27] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke:its a plan, will be back online in about ~3days to talk more
[21:40:30] <dclarke> you can ssh in at your leisure okay ?
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[21:42:43] <rawn027> time to go home
[21:42:46] <rawn027> have a nice day y'all
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[21:45:22] <CSFrost> it's a good time for a nap
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[21:51:40] <asyd> \_o<
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[21:53:29] <pfn> heh, pretty cool
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[22:03:59] <noyb> >o_/    quack back asyd    ;-)
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[22:07:45] <trochej> dclarke: The text at blastwave about installing Solris is yours, isn't it?
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[22:08:35] <r00tintheb0x> if i were to "dd if=/dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s2 of=/dev/rdsk/c0t4d0s2 bs=128" would the two partitions have to be the same size or would it just use the free space on /dev/rdsk/c0t4d0s2?
[22:10:14] <pfn> same size
[22:10:21] <trochej> dclarke: pl.opensolaris.org would love to translate it and host it there
[22:10:22] <r00tintheb0x> thanks
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[22:10:57] <sommerfeld> well, if they're not the same size, you either (a) overwrite the short destination with a prefix of the source, or (b) only overwrite a prefix of the destination.
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[22:22:35] <SYS64738> someone could help me on compiling squid ?
[22:23:04] <SYS64738> I receive this after the make:
[22:23:05] <SYS64738> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all-recursive'
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[22:27:01] <sommerfeld> not the relevant error message -- some prior command failed.  you need to work backwards frmo there
[22:27:22] <chris_d> cmihai: On a Solaris workstation, the untar took 2.5 seconds (compared to 212 seconds on Linux).
[22:28:10] <cmihai> chris_d: told you :-)
[22:28:21] <cmihai> It's the Linux NFS client I guess. It's borked by default.
[22:29:26] <chris_d> cmihai: More accurately, it's the combination of Linux client on Solaris server.
[22:29:35] <chris_d> cmihai: We don't have these problems talking to the Netapp.
[22:31:09] <quasi> chris_d: sun nfs is very close to the best nfs implementation there is - netapp may be working around linux brokenness
[22:31:35] <cmihai> chris_d: Sun pretty much made NFS all the way.
[22:31:41] <twincest> a good implementation needs to work around broken implemenations :)
[22:31:46] <cmihai> And Solaris NFS is indeed the BEST implementation :-)
[22:31:47] <vmlemon> Of course, Sun did design and build NFS
[22:31:51] <cmihai> twincest: no...
[22:32:02] <cmihai> That will lead to BULLSHIT like with browsers.
[22:32:06] <cmihai> Working around bad code...
[22:32:20] <chris_d> I just have to figure out how to make the Linux clients play better with the Solaris servers.
[22:32:32] <elijahwright> use nfsv3.
[22:32:40] <cmihai> He is using it.
[22:32:41] <cmihai> Use NFSv2
[22:32:42] <cmihai> :-)
[22:32:43] <elijahwright> nfsv4 is wehre problems start to pop up.
[22:32:49] <elijahwright> nfsv2 is just old :)
[22:34:26] <chris_d> Eventually, we'll need to go to nfsv4 for kerberization...
[22:34:27] <chris_d> :(
[22:36:03] <elijahwright> that's a problem here, too.  we haven't gotten around to the gss work to make it happen, yet.  and some local hacks need to go away, so that it CAN work.
[22:36:18] <cmihai> chris_d: can you go iSCSI?
[22:36:24] <cmihai> That's an option right there.
[22:36:53] <elijahwright> probably not - mostly our problem is that most of our nfs traffic is homedirs.  some of it to mac boxes, too.
[22:37:47] <quasi> elijahwright: isn't nfs v4 still very much beta on lunix?
[22:38:02] <emergo> when doing a liveupgrade should I download the new release or can it be downloaded and installed from net ( cant seem to find an address )
[22:38:05] <emergo> bn
[22:38:10] <chris_d> iSCSI might work--I'd have to test iSCSI under Linux.
[22:39:19] <elijahwright> haven't tried it - could be interesting, i guess.
[22:39:19] <EchoBinary> is it worth using raidz2? or is it overkill?
[22:39:34] <elijahwright> nfsv4 on linux sorta works, part of the time.  :)
[22:39:49] <EchoBinary> (vs raidz)
[22:40:13] <cmihai> chris_d: on Solaris it's easy
[22:40:40] <cmihai> chris_d: zfs create -s -V 1T storage/iscsi && zfs set shareiscsi=on storage/iscsi -> you're set :-]. Just use the initiator on Linux to connect to the linux target.
[22:40:49] <chris_d> cmihai: I'm using Sun Solaris, though.
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[22:40:53] <cmihai> EchoBinary: only if you need the availability.
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[22:41:04] <cmihai> chris_d: erm I meant Solaris target ;P
[22:41:07] <EchoBinary> personal use
[22:41:13] <cmihai> EchoBinary: do you need it or not?
[22:41:18] <cmihai> Personal use...
[22:41:19] <EchoBinary> important data - doing freelancing
[22:41:28] <cmihai> I'd say go RAID-10 lol
[22:41:33] <EchoBinary> using 1TB disks
[22:41:36] <cmihai> Depends on how many disks you have.
[22:41:41] <EchoBinary> 4 1TB
[22:41:42] <cmihai> If you have 4 disks, RAIDZ2 is stupid :P
[22:41:51] <cmihai> You basically waste 2 disks with parity.
[22:41:55] <EchoBinary> what about 5 disks
[22:41:58] <cmihai> You could just do a mirror + stripe
[22:42:12] <cmihai> Hence RAID-10, probably double the performance.
[22:42:21] <EchoBinary> i alwo want to have a scalable growth path when zfs allows growing a zpool
[22:42:43] <cmihai> Right, and that's actually more scalable.
[22:42:55] <EchoBinary> is it?
[22:42:57] <cmihai> You can always add more mirrors / sets to your zpool. You can't grow a RAIDZ though.
[22:43:03] <RElling> mirroring, ZFS has long supported growing a zpool
[22:43:08] <sommerfeld> cmihai: well, raidz2 with 4 disks will survive a failure mode that two mirrors won't.  and you can add more raidz sets to a pool
[22:43:14] <RElling> shrinking is the problem
[22:43:23] <EchoBinary> i wont be shrinking
[22:43:31] <EchoBinary> only growing
[22:43:36] <sommerfeld> and you can increase the size of the disks in a raidz set (one at a time)
[22:43:56] <cmihai> sommerfeld: Well, yep, but he's using 1TB disks :P
[22:44:03] <EchoBinary> :-D
[22:44:16] <sommerfeld> cmihai: there will be bigger disks next year.
[22:44:36] <cmihai> Besides, RAIDZ2 with 4 disks.. slow and wastefull. Consider stripe + mirror with proper backups. Much much faster ;-)
[22:44:47] <Stric> but not as safe
[22:44:49] <cmihai> Quite fault tollerant too.
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[22:44:57] <EchoBinary> what about raidz2 with 5 disks?
[22:45:00] <cmihai> Well, think about it. You can fail 2 disks :P
[22:45:04] <cmihai> If they're the right ones.
[22:45:07] <Stric> but not any 2 disks
[22:45:10] <cmihai> Right.
[22:45:13] <EchoBinary> oh?
[22:45:17] <cmihai> It's a bit of a gamble.
[22:45:20] <EchoBinary> i thoguht raidz2 was like hw raid 6?
[22:45:20] <Stric> you go tell murphy which ones to fail
[22:45:28] <Abe_Froman> i hate that guy
[22:45:31] <cmihai> EchoBinary: it is. I'm talking 10 here.
[22:45:33] <Stric> EchoBinary: it is.. but cmihai proposed a stripe+mirror
[22:46:00] <Stric> which will have higher performance, but slightly less safe
[22:46:21] <RElling> 4-way mirror is the safest :-)
[22:46:22] <cmihai> Though a LOT better than RAIDZ
[22:46:25] <cmihai> So...
[22:46:33] <cmihai> He asked if RAIDZ2 is worth it compared to RAIDZ
[22:46:34] <RElling> ... with copies=3 :-)
[22:47:07] <quasi> RElling: I wonder what sort of write performance you'd get out of that
[22:47:22] <Stric> 3 disk raidz2 with copies=3
[22:49:27] * EchoBinary is general raid/zfs noob
[22:49:32] <EchoBinary> what is copies = 3?
[22:50:11] <RElling> quasi: for JBODs, I would estimate about 1/3 the performance of a single disk
[22:50:28] <asyd> afaik, copies defined the number of duplicated data blocks written
[22:51:09] <blueandwhiteg3> What is the username  / password setup with NFS? I shared a directory, set it to be available to all IPs on my LAN, and now i'm trying to connect to it from an OS X machine and getting an authentication error.
[22:51:25] <RElling> copies is a file system attribute which defines how many redundant copies of the data are made, this is in addition to the RAIDness of the zpool
[22:51:45] <carbon60> Anyone know where to get NTAPclnas?
[22:51:53] <asyd> it's for data blocks only ? or pointers blocks too ?
[22:52:13] <sommerfeld> copies = N  was originally used under the covers for metadata, but it was straightforward to extend it to work for data blocks, too.
[22:52:39] <asyd> ok
[22:52:57] <asyd> there are 4 copies of metadata by device, right ?
[22:53:00] <oninoshiko> anyone know about much about the iSCSI target?
[22:53:03] <quasi> RElling: that sounds plausible
[22:53:21] <sommerfeld> as I understand it, pool-wide metadata is always copies=3; some intermediate metadata is usually copies=2
[22:53:44] <boyd_> Sounds right to me
[22:54:02] <sommerfeld> (and copies are distributed across multiple top-level vdevs if possible)
[22:54:02] <asyd> "hmm, ok, well, original + 3 copies = 4 anyway :p
[22:54:17] <sommerfeld> asyd: the copy count includes the original.
[22:54:38] <boyd_> Constructive accounting, asyd :)
[22:55:33] <asyd> sommerfeld: ah
[22:55:43] <blueandwhiteg3> anybody on NFS authentication requirements? am I missing something?
[22:55:59] <asyd> I remember a doc that say there are two metadata at the beginning of the disk, and two at the end
[22:57:57] <sommerfeld> asyd: disk labels, I think
[23:00:07] <asyd> yeah indeed, I consufed with vdev labels
[23:00:19] <carbon60> Anyone here have a NetApp Filer?
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[23:04:13] <Stric> carbon60: yes
[23:04:22] <carbon60> Stric: Yes?
[23:04:30] <Stric> 23:00 (carbon60) Anyone here have a NetApp Filer?
[23:04:35] <carbon60> Oh!
[23:04:46] <Stric> you know, the line before my answer
[23:05:10] <carbon60> Stric: Do you happen to have the NTAPclnas package?
[23:05:18] <carbon60> Sorry, I was daydreaming. :-)
[23:05:33] <Stric> carbon60: don't think so, no.. we just use it as a dumb nfs box
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[23:05:46] <Stric> (engineering example donated)
[23:06:05] <carbon60> Stric: For some reason, NOW isn't letting me download it even though it says "active/renewed" next to it. Do you have a NOW login?
[23:06:35] <Stric> We've had trouble getting access to crap too, partly due to the serial number on our box exists on two places in the world.. ;)
[23:06:58] <carbon60> Haha.
[23:06:59] <Stric> So I can't help much actually ;)
[23:07:07] <carbon60> Darn.
[23:07:28] <carbon60> That friggin package is tiny and simple, I just need to get ahold of it!
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[23:08:00] <Stric> it's one of the two backends for ftp.se.debian.org/ftp.gnome.org/ubuntustuff/mozillastuff.. the other backend is a snv_60:ish blade1000 w/ zfs
[23:08:34] <Stric> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/about/  with pretty graphs from both ;)
[23:10:21] <axisys> can anyone explain why I am getting hardware address conflict message here http://rafb.net/p/t4HaOi97.html
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[23:12:23] <quasi> axisys: misconfigured aggregation
[23:14:17] <axisys> quasi: http://rafb.net/p/wvfk5r37.html so this is not configed right?
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[23:21:05] <chris_d> If the switch is not doing LACP, then the ports will be independent and broadcast packets from one whill be picked up by another, generating the conflict.
[23:21:07] <blueandwhiteg3> I didn't know it was this hard to simply share a directory
[23:21:07] <axisys> chris_d: gotcha.. so I should config the swithc like here http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5106357&tstart=45 ?
[23:21:07] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, what's so hard?
[23:21:07] <chris_d> axisys: Try: dladm modify-aggr -l active 1
[23:21:22] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, man exportfs
[23:21:33] <chris_d> axisys: That will set the LACP active on the aggregation, and take the onus off the switch.
[23:21:54] <chris_d> axisys: Depending on the switch configuraiton.
[23:22:06] <chris_d> axisys: I believe the switch needs to be either off or passive.
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[23:23:42] <RElling> blueandwhiteg3: Launch -> Administration -> Shared Folders seems pretty simple to most folks
[23:24:22] <chris_d> axisys: From the looks of things, it's currently one or the other.
[23:24:22] <blueandwhiteg3> pfn: I have a directory /export/home/Shared. I have shared it via both NFS and SMB. The nice little sharing GUI looks great.
[23:24:23] <blueandwhiteg3> However, connecting to it from the OS X machine results in an authentication error. Every combination I've tried gives the same result.
[23:24:23] <pfn> blueandwhiteg3, I don't use GUIs so I know nothing about that
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[23:24:23] <axisys> chris_d: http://rafb.net/p/kVUbQR66.html .. lets see if any more conflict message shows up
[23:24:23] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: Oh, it's dead simple. But I can't figure out how to properly authenticate into it....
[23:24:23] <blueandwhiteg3> I can't log in as root, as a user i created, or anything.
[23:24:24] <blueandwhiteg3> I've created NFS and allowed all hosts on the LAN to connect. No dice.
[23:24:32] <axisys> chris_d, quasi thnx guys
[23:24:59] <blueandwhiteg3> The problem is strictly authentication, as far as I can tell...
[23:25:50] <RElling> who does the server think the OSX machine is?  hint: dmesg or showmount
[23:27:21] <_basta_> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/marketing/events/techdays/washington/nevada_at_67_reduced.pdf
[23:27:28] <_basta_> impressive presentation
[23:28:09] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: sudo dmesg doesn't seem to give me anything useful
[23:29:02] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: It basically gives me hardware data
[23:29:06] <RElling> ok, so on the server, there are no NFS mount failed due to authentication messages... so far so good
[23:29:23] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: I have reviewed the logs. All it says is authentication failed.
[23:29:30] <RElling> NB. don't need to sudo to run dmesg
[23:29:32] <blueandwhiteg3> Same message as with SMB
[23:29:35] <asyd> _basta_: lack of fr.opensolaris and #opensolaris-fr ! :p
[23:29:55] <RElling> showmount?
[23:29:56] <blueandwhiteg3> You have to run dmesg as sudo under os x
[23:30:33] <RElling> NFS authentication failures may not show on the client's messages file
[23:30:37] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: qRPC: Port mapper failure: Can't do Mountdump rpc
[23:30:47] <blueandwhiteg3> oh
[23:30:55] <blueandwhiteg3> you want me to do this on the solaris box?
[23:30:58] <RElling> yes
[23:31:10] <Tpenta> hey richard
[23:31:17] <RElling> hey
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[23:32:49] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: No info in dmesg, just crap about when I was running software update hours earier
[23:32:50] <blueandwhiteg3> no result from showmount
[23:33:01] <blueandwhiteg3> Let me try NFS
[23:33:08] <_basta_> asyd: lack of french knowledge :(
[23:35:22] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: Still no dice.
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[23:35:52] <blueandwhiteg3> What do I need to do, packet sniff the whole transaction?
[23:37:38] <blueandwhiteg3> I would settle for any connectivity that is better than using sshfs.....
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[23:38:09] <RElling> on the server, showmount does not show the file system as mounted?
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[23:41:25] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: No, there's no output from that command
[23:42:07] <justeco> Is there some way to get Express COmmunity edition without signing in to something?
[23:42:28] <Tpenta> Why?
[23:42:29] <r00tintheb0x> is there an equivilant in Solaris to "cp -arfvp" in Linux?
[23:42:50] <pfn> the same in solaris
[23:43:07] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: I'm rebooting, then we'll see what happens here...
[23:43:40] <RElling> blueandwhiteg3: a failed mount should generate a message on the server like: mountd[2968]: [ID 770583 daemon.error] 192.168.129.151 denied access to /stuff/sw
[23:43:49] <r00tintheb0x> pfn only -p and -r flags seem to be supported
[23:43:58] <Tpenta> f is there
[23:44:37] <r00tintheb0x> well this IS Solaris 9
[23:44:49] <r00tintheb0x> it isnt the current version of.opensolaris
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[23:44:59] <Tpenta> how about we go back one step, what are you trying to do
[23:45:00] <Tpenta> ?
[23:45:45] <elektronkind> r00tintheb0x: just use tar
[23:45:52] <r00tintheb0x> copy /olddata/* to /data recursively with permissions in tact and symlinks also.
[23:45:53] <Tpenta> or cpio
[23:45:58] <r00tintheb0x> cpio eh.
[23:46:18] <Tpenta> cd /olddata ; find . -depth | cpio -pdmv /data
[23:46:40] <r00tintheb0x> cool thanks.
[23:47:11] <Tpenta> there is a way to do -cpio in find, but I never really chased that up
[23:47:14] <r00tintheb0x> Here's another... i create a user in SMC and assign /export/home/ as their home directory but i look at /etc/passwd and its /home/username
[23:47:28] <r00tintheb0x> Tpenta "-exec" ?
[23:47:35] <Tpenta> no with -cpio
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[23:48:01] <r00tintheb0x> oh
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[23:48:26] * twincest is lazy and uses tar c | tar x
[23:48:28] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: I am gettied denied on my client, but nothing shows up in dmesg.....
[23:48:45] <RElling> ok, so it isn't a Solaris problem then...
[23:48:57] <blueandwhiteg3> All connections would show up there?
[23:49:19] <blueandwhiteg3> I'm getting the same problem with SMB. I use SMB all the time with other configurations...
[23:49:53] <RElling> can you ping the server from the client (or, is the power cord plugged in? ;-)
[23:49:57] <blueandwhiteg3> yes
[23:50:00] <blueandwhiteg3> i am ssh'd into it
[23:50:22] <blueandwhiteg3> If I connect to a non-active IP on my network, i get a timeout
[23:50:32] <blueandwhiteg3> The remote machine is clearly returning something
[23:51:03] <RElling> showmount -a will show all NFS clients that the server knows about, and what they are mounting
[23:52:44] <RElling> smbstatus should show the status of the server's SMB service (though I never have used it, just read the man page late one night in a dark bar)
[23:53:43] <blueandwhiteg3> RElling: Alright. I am going to inquire with an OS X group... maybe somebody know something I'm missing... then I'm pulling out wireshark...
[23:54:28] <RElling> yep, it may be time to bring in the big guns (snoop or wireshark)
[23:54:46] <blueandwhiteg3> I will freaking walk through in telnet if I have to...
[23:54:55] <blueandwhiteg3> It seems like we have standards for a reason...
[23:56:29] * blueandwhiteg3 pkg-gets wireshark





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