[00:16:20] <dlg> the doco is wrong
[00:16:30] <dlg> or something
[00:16:57] <twincest> actually it seems to be correct, i'm just too tired
[00:17:50] <Doc> i frequently am...
[00:19:14] <e^ipi> i think i've got stigmata
[00:19:26] <e^ipi> my hand burns right in the middle... it sucks
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[00:21:33] <g4lt-mordant> see, you didn't listen whne you were warned about friction burns, now look what happened ;P
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[00:23:36] <e^ipi> nah, definitely stigmata
[00:24:07] <vmlemon> Sure it's not Sun-burn? ;)
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[01:38:44] <Plouj> my currently final hardware list for the NAS: http://plouj.sh.nu/nas-server.html#Hardware
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[01:39:14] <victor__> "currently final" ? :)
[01:39:29] <Plouj> as in, I'm too tired to do any more reasearch for today
[01:39:33] <Plouj> research*
[01:40:22] <victor__> i like the ~ $120.95 as well
[01:40:35] <Plouj> well, I'm not sure where I'm gonna get it from
[01:40:38] <victor__> somewhere around that, could be $120.96 as well ;)
[01:40:52] <Plouj> yup
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[02:18:43] <rawn027> Tempt: hey
[02:20:12] <rawn027> is there an easy way to install all the system patches via command line over ssh?
[02:30:55] <Tempt> rawn027: get pca
[02:31:03] <rawn027> pca?
[02:31:45] <rawn027> i tried doing XDMCP but its failing, I enabled it on the solaris machine but there is some wierd error that i dont want to troubleshoot right now
[02:32:01] <rawn027> I would like to try and update my Sol 11/06 box to see if there is any fixes for my hardware
[02:32:08] <rawn027> mainly my mouse
[02:36:58] <Stric> google://solaris+pca
[02:37:38] <rawn027> got it :) thanks... is there no way built in to handle updates remotely?
[02:42:15] <Tempt> rawn027: Yes, there is - download the patches and use patchadd.
[02:42:24] <rawn027> haha eww :-P
[02:42:31] <Tempt> rawn027: If you want hands-off automated patching, either read up on smpatch or take the easy option and install PCA>
[02:42:40] <Tempt> anyway, meetings to attend
[02:42:51] <rawn027> thanks :)
[02:45:49] <coffman> rawn027: i would consider to get a look at smpatch also, once its registred its easy, and sometimes pca does not work cause some one at sun screws it up again
[02:46:18] <rawn027> is smpatch the one that is included? that little shield thingy lol
[02:46:41] <rawn027> right now my solaris install GUI is hanging so i cant do much anyway graphically but I am ssh'd into it
[02:47:06] <coffman> uhm
[02:47:44] <coffman> rawn027: so what you are planing to do? if your system is not done installed
[02:47:55] <coffman> take in mind installing solaris can take some time
[02:48:00] <coffman> 2 hours and more
[02:48:07] <rawn027> coffman: sorry, i mean like my installed solaris 10 box
[02:48:20] <coffman> ah :P
[02:48:25] <rawn027> its all installed and everything
[02:48:41] <rawn027> I was running the SXDE 05/07
[02:48:50] <rawn027> which had SunStudio 11 but ruby wouldnt install
[02:49:08] <rawn027> so i installed Sol 10 11/06 but now my mouse doesnt work
[02:49:13] <twincest> rawn027: smpatch is the command-line version of the GUI "Update Manager"
[02:49:32] 
[02:49:36] <rawn027> twincest: perfect
[02:49:43] <rawn027> coffman: how do i go about checking that
[02:49:51] <rawn027> I am very new to solaris, but not to sys admin
[02:49:57] <coffman> rawn027: bios setting :P
[02:50:10] <rawn027> done have the option
[02:50:16] <coffman> if it is on, disable it
[02:50:17] <rawn027> I have an Intel P965 Express chipset
[02:50:42] <rawn027> is there an equivilent to top on Solaris?
[02:50:46] <rawn027> I am coming from FreeBSD
[02:50:46] <twincest> prstat
[02:50:52] <rawn027> thx
[02:51:00] <twincest> (there is a 'top' for solaris, but prstat is better)
[02:51:03] <coffman> and its better than top :P
[02:51:35] <coffman> rawn027: try to disable usb legacy, had that issue ones
[02:51:45] <rawn027> i will check that out
[02:55:40] <rawn027> no dice
[02:56:40] <twincest> rawn027: what kind of mouse do you have?
[02:56:59] <rawn027> logitech mx revolution
[02:57:01] <rawn027> its wireless
[02:57:04] <twincest> USB?
[02:59:16] <rawn027> yeah
[02:59:28] <twincest> thats weird
[02:59:33] <twincest> try running kdmconfig again?
[02:59:45] <twincest> did you use Xorg or Xsun?
[02:59:51] <rawn027> Xorg
[02:59:59] <rawn027> X86 intel core 2 duo
[03:00:49] <pfn> hmm, is there any documentation on the solaris boot process?  starting from grub?
[03:01:00] * pfn is trying to understand the use of the 'module' directive in grub
[03:01:13] <pfn> and how it leads to the rootfs being mounted and init started
[03:01:52] <twincest> pfn: grub loads as kernel "multiboot" (a multiboot-format wrapper that starts "unix") or "unix" (the kernel itself - in newer SX).  the "module" is the boot archive which contains files needed to mount the root filesystem, like driver modules, bootenv.rc, etc.
[03:02:31] <pfn> twincest, newer sx just loads 'unix' directly
[03:02:37] <twincest> that's what i just said
[03:02:58] <pfn> right, and that's not much in the way of documentation, as I've figured that out
[03:03:13] <pfn> the question is--what exactly is boot_archive, what is its format, what can it be, what can it contain, etc.
[03:03:27] <pfn> e.g. I've found bootenv.rc which seems to document the location of the rootfs, etc.
[03:03:36] <rawn027> so im in kdmconfig and nothing is working, I cant click anything
[03:04:18] <twincest> pfn: run /boot/solaris/bin/root_archive unpack <archive> <name> and it'll extract the archive into <name>/ - so you can see what's in it
[03:04:49] <pfn> twincest, heh, I've been doing lofiadm/mount
[03:04:52] <pfn> ...
[03:04:58] <rawn027> can i break into the console
[03:05:01] <rawn027> and kill the Xorg server?
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[03:10:19] <pfn> hmm, so is there any "easy" way to configure a "boot_archive" ?
[03:12:12] <pfn> man boot seems to work
[03:12:39] <rawn027> cani   kill the x session?
[03:12:44] <rawn027> how would i do that
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[03:35:08] <coffman> rawn027: ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:35:31] <coffman> gar i got some serious iostorming on this laptop going
[03:38:27] <rawn027> grr still no dice
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[03:39:42] <twincest> does anyone know if the "standard" scsi controller on the V40z (not the megaraid) can do raid10 over all 6 disks?
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[03:51:14] <Gman> woo, i'm nwam enabled!
[03:52:25] <coffman> Gman: uhm uhm, nwam is out since b64a
[03:52:49] <pfn> what's nwam?
[03:52:58] <twincest> network automagic
[03:53:00] <Gman> coffman, previously been on b61
[03:53:05] <coffman> Gman: tsts
[03:54:39] <coffman> but hey, you know what? im switching back to windows for my laptop
[03:55:34] <coffman> shity but, cant get the problems resolved
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[03:58:14] <FrostCS> speaking of nwam, is it always set to send a popup message when it disconnects, and not connect again till you click "ok" ?
[03:59:25] <FrostCS> I don't mind disconnecting once in a while due to one reason or another, but if I am not around, being disconnected for 6-8 hours can be an annoyance just because of an "okay" box
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[04:05:50] <coffman_zzz> n8
[04:07:10] <twincest> FrostCS: that sounds annoying
[04:08:32] <FrostCS> it's a tad bit annoying, especially if I am working on my network..
[04:09:44] <danv12> also is there a way for NWAM et al not to IP up an iface until it's manually requested?
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[04:16:30] <FrostCS> also a good question danv12
[04:16:38] <danv12> :)
[04:17:19] <danv12> old habits die hard i spose, cos i always like my wstation to come up and let me turn on what i want
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[04:23:27] <FrostCS> we might have to post our concerns to the community lists, though if I ever get my email list down, it will be a good week or three before I can get a break for community emails.
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[04:25:36] <setuid> Anyone know if I can get multiple copies of this -> (http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) for my local LUG?
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[04:26:06] <twincest> setuid: you want to burn the DVD and give it out?
[04:26:28] <FrostCS> I think they'd all have to do a registration.. sucks, but not much you can do..
[04:26:44] <twincest> yeah, in theory you have to register and fill in the license form
[04:26:49] <twincest> of course that isn't enforced :)
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[04:26:59] <FrostCS> yea, but legal issues are still legal issues..
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[04:27:31] <FrostCS> you could bring X number of copies, and have them each fill out a registration form, then go back and fill the info in for them.. but still a headache
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[04:32:12] <richlowe> strings isn't largefile aware?
[04:32:17] <richlowe> of all the irritating...
[04:32:26] <Gman> Tpent1, any news on that sosug meet?
[04:32:28] <twincest> cat | strings
[04:32:29] <twincest> :)
[04:32:38] <richlowe> twincest: yup.
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[04:34:36] <setuid> twincest, I was hoping to get a burned set sent from Sun, as giveaways
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[04:45:56] <boyd_> Afternoon, all
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[04:47:29] <boyd> Hey, Tpenta
[04:47:46] <Tpenta> hi boyd
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[05:00:32] <CIA-19> sp92102: 6573795 dumpadm should do sanity checking
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[05:24:14] <edwardocallaghan> Hello
[05:25:05] <edwardocallaghan> I am now in Melbourne !
[05:27:05] <edwardocallaghan> Whois up for a coffie
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[05:37:42] <edwardocallaghan> Hey, this IRC has been a bit dead lately ?
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[05:41:54] <Gman> yes
[05:42:39] <edwardocallaghan> Gman:Hows it going?
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[05:43:19] <edwardocallaghan> Don't think I seen you since I was in the UK..
[05:45:12] * Gman ticking along ;)
[05:45:23] <Gman> what's up in melbourne?
[05:51:06] <edwardocallaghan> Just got here really
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[05:56:10] <edwardocallaghan> <ping>
[05:58:36] <Gman> <pong>
[06:01:37] <edwardocallaghan> I guess everyone is at work ?
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[06:03:59] <Gman> edwardocallaghan, it's monday - which means sunday in the US. it's usually pretty quiet on mondays
[06:06:17] <edwardocallaghan> I was thinking that the Oz lot would be around
[06:06:32] <edwardocallaghan> Have not seen boyd for ages..
[06:07:01] <boyd> Hey!
[06:07:26] * Gman uses monday for a quiet catch up day
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[06:07:41] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: I keep missing you
[06:07:54] <Plaidrab> buy a scope?
[06:08:09] <Plaidrab> Sorry. Old joke. Some day, my wife will laugh and I can retire it.
[06:08:21] <edwardocallaghan> Hey people
[06:08:51] <edwardocallaghan> I got worried that you may put your figures in a switch mode PSU ?
[06:09:19] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: I was in Canberra week before last but couldn't get hold of you in here :(
[06:09:30] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[06:09:36] <boyd> After I got back, I realised that I have your phone # :(
[06:10:09] <edwardocallaghan> Well I am in Ormond right at this very moment
[06:10:19] <boyd> Ormond, Vic?
[06:10:49] <boyd> (That's where I live)
[06:11:11] <edwardocallaghan> really
[06:11:12] <boyd> (will you be around for 1/2 hr or so? I need to teach)
[06:11:23] <edwardocallaghan> jasper road..
[06:11:41] <boyd> Spooky... I'm between jasper and tcker
[06:11:43] <boyd> tucker
[06:11:47] <edwardocallaghan> Maccas
[06:12:13] <boyd> Just visiting?
[06:12:20] <edwardocallaghan> Can we meet in Maccas
[06:12:31] <edwardocallaghan> yea for 2-3days or something
[06:12:41] <edwardocallaghan> at a mate of mines house
[06:12:47] <edwardocallaghan> two of us
[06:12:56] <boyd> Cool... Can I chat later today?
[06:13:11] <edwardocallaghan> yea cool
[06:13:18] <boyd> :)
[06:13:21] * boyd teaches
[06:13:37] <edwardocallaghan> you got my #, seen you when you get a moment
[06:14:35] <boyd> 'kay
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[06:21:21] <edwardocallaghan> * edwardocallaghan has no clue what Gman is talking about..
[06:21:51] * Gman just playing around with package/cluster/metacluster stuff, trying to generate useful output
[06:22:05] <jbk> anything specific?
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[06:24:18] <Gman> jbk, not really, going to figure it out myself - it's the only way i'll learn :)
[06:25:03] <edwardocallaghan> I was wonder how to use N1 grid with a load of winXP boxes as exec clients
[06:25:12] <edwardocallaghan> still reading up on it
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[06:43:09] <Tempt> boyd/edward: Beer tomorrow night?
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[07:01:49] <boyd> Tempt: Sounds good to me, but I don't know if edwardocallaghan could get to the city and I'm sure you don't want to go to Ormond :)
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[07:05:02] <hari> hello
[07:09:47] <Tempt> boyd: Hmmm.
[07:09:54] <Tempt> boyd: What country is "Ormond" in?
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[07:11:03] <boyd> har de har
[07:13:35] <Tempt> Still no answer.
[07:13:48] <Tempt> Where is this Ormond? Local language? Population?
[07:13:57] <Tempt> Any military action?
[07:14:13] <Tempt> (We could just catch up at Spleen ...)
[07:15:27] <boyd> Sorry, I was busy, you know, working
[07:15:38] <Tempt> Oh?
[07:15:47] <Tempt> bash.org need updating?
[07:15:49] * Tempt ducks
[07:15:56] <boyd> pfffft
[07:16:07] <boyd> (How do you spell a raspberry, anyway?)
[07:16:19] <Tempt> What's the course this week? Solaris for the unwashed masses?
[07:16:37] <boyd> Tempt: SunCluster 3.2. For the unwashed masses
[07:16:41] <Tempt> Nifty.
[07:16:47] <Plaidrab> Oooh
[07:17:00] <Plaidrab> How massive are the changes from 3.1 to 3.2
[07:17:05] <Tempt> Bring on the Cluster. Perhaps I should turn up for that course, I've never done a SunCluster course.
[07:17:07] <boyd> Not
[07:17:10] <boyd> (massive)
[07:17:11] <Tempt> Plaidrab: Completely new commandline?
[07:17:17] <Tempt> Plaidrab: Is that enough?
[07:17:32] <boyd> New command line syntax, but the underlying plumbing is largely the same
[07:17:40] <Tempt> Well, of course.
[07:17:52] <Tempt> Didn't they bolt on a new fancy version of SPM as well?
[07:17:55] <Plaidrab> My labs are still largely solid. Just need to reference some man pages. :)
[07:18:13] <boyd> Support for ZFS and zones-as-virtual-nodes
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[07:18:38] <Plaidrab> Yeah, well, I don't imagine that was in my circa 2002 class
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[07:18:41] <boyd> Tempt: Not sure how new and how much is a port. But it's on port 6789 now, like the ZFS interface
[07:18:45] <Tempt> What percentage of your students are telco employees this time?
[07:18:53] <boyd> 33%
[07:19:05] <Tempt> haha. Anyone I should recognize?
[07:19:06] <boyd> Oh, wait... 0%
[07:19:17] <boyd> so, no ;)
[07:19:40] <Tempt> heh.
[07:19:53] <Tempt> The mess on port 6789 is beginning to look mighty ugly.
[07:22:00] <Tempt> anyway, duty calls.
[07:22:06] <Plaidrab> Good luck
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[07:45:43] <twincest> with U160 SCSI, is there likely to be any difference between exporting two 6-disk luns to a host on different channels and striping there, vs exporting a single 12-disk lun?  (for database load)
[07:47:17] <Tempt> Two channels = potentially better throughput
[07:48:09] <twincest> that's what i'm thinking.. it is not using anywhere near the bandwidth, but stric was saying U160 has a slow command channel.
[07:48:18] <twincest> (which might be a problem for heavy random, small i/o?)
[07:50:39] <Tempt> "Slow command channel"
[07:50:52] <Tempt> You mean SCSI overhead running at slower speeds than data xfers?
[07:50:53] <Tempt> Sure.
[07:50:57] <Tempt> Doesn't really impact though.
[07:51:09] <Tempt> You will see better performance splitting over two channels if your backend storage can keep up.
[07:51:30] <Tempt> Ultra-160 is pretty damn fast though.
[07:51:57] <Tempt> You would expect to see sequential transfers stream over 150Mbyte/sec if there isn't a contention problem.
[07:52:17] <Tempt> Kicking it over two channels just buys you the chance to do over 300Mbyte/sec. (which is pretty fast)
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[07:57:49] <twincest> yeah, the data transfer is not even close to being a problem.  (http://rafb.net/p/3sgJ2b65.html)
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[08:11:43] <edwardocallaghan> hey
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[08:24:01] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:We will be back later tonight
[08:24:14] <boyd> Cool
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[09:03:08] <CSFrost> Good Afternoon/Morning Asia/Oceana
[09:03:24] <twincest> what about europe
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[09:03:54] <CSFrost> Not quite awake to greet Europe yet :-P
[09:03:59] <CSFrost> 3am here still :-)
[09:04:04] <twincest> its morning.  :)
[09:04:05] <asyd> \_o<
[09:04:32] <CSFrost> fine fine.. Morning Europe.
[09:04:53] <CSFrost> wish I was still sleeping though.
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[09:25:09] <estibi> hi
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[10:02:48] <twincest> why does QFS have a TCP listener?  is that for shared filesystem communication?
[10:06:29] <LeftWing> I would imagine so.
[10:07:01] <renihs> sounds reasonable :p
[10:10:46] <sbahra> Anyone here try to run Solaris in qemu?
[10:12:29] <quasi> sbahra: only qemu under solaris
[10:12:42] <Tempt>  LeftWing: Did you know that census data is now apparently going to be free?
[10:13:18] <quasi> sbahra: but http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/qemu/ has instructions
[10:14:04] <LeftWing> Tempt: Really?
[10:14:12] <LeftWing> How much did it cost before...
[10:14:20] <Tempt> LeftWing: Yup. They're canning all their charges.
[10:14:39] <Tempt> LeftWing: They now only charges for media (CD/printed copies) and for training/advanced reporting services.
[10:14:54] <Tempt> LeftWing: I see a job for SQL*Loader coming up ...
[10:14:59] <LeftWing> heh
[10:15:30] <LeftWing> So what do you get when you obtain the census... everybody's responses?
[10:15:37] <Tempt> What I'd really like is a raw dump sans names and street address
[10:15:48] <Tempt> Not sure, digging through their webshite now.
[10:15:53] <LeftWing> cool
[10:16:12] <Tempt> Ha!
[10:16:21] <Tempt> "A General Error has occurred on the system."
[10:16:22] <Tempt> Pfft.
[10:16:50] <LeftWing> General Errors are hard to debug.
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[10:17:41] <Tempt> And they only provide data in .xls
[10:17:44] <Tempt> oh, the fucking joy.
[10:18:33] <Tempt> I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask about getting a raw CSV dump with all personal information removed.
[10:18:42] <Tempt> I want to shove the whole thing into Oracle and be able to push it around.
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[10:22:21] <Tempt> The pre-prepared stats tables are mindlessly useless
[10:22:32] <Tempt> For example, they included a computer/internet use question in the last census
[10:22:58] <Tempt> The only stats they've published is "Number of Persons usually Resident by Type of Internet Connection by Indigenous Status of Household"
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[10:47:28] <JWheeler> hi Folks
[10:47:44] <timsf> Morning all
[10:48:01] <Tempt> Heya.
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[10:48:15] <seanmcg> Morning all
[10:49:26] <JWheeler> When compiling with g++, what is the correcty way to pass the desired runpath for the resultant binary? Some tools appear to be using the -Wl, format, while others simply use -R. Oddly, when using g++ -v, it would appear that internally g++ is converting -Wl, statements into -R /search/path. The g++ manpage makes no mention of -R, so I'm lost
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[10:53:28] <Cyrille> I'd say just -R should be fine.
[10:53:47] <twincest> easiest way: set $LD_RUN_PATH
[10:54:10] <JWheeler> LD_RUN_PATH only works if the compiler isn't given a -R already, which in my case, it is
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[10:59:41] <Fish> hello
[11:01:09] <twincest> hm, sun.com is being very slow
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[12:11:12] <Tempt> boyd: PING
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[12:23:55] <twincest> hmm, i wonder if adaptec's solaris 9 driver will work with s10
[12:26:01] <twincest> apparently not, 32-bit only
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[12:54:25] <boyd> Tempt: pong
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[13:02:41] <Tempt> Tempt's Hardware Hint of the Day:
[13:03:04] <dlg> dont buy adaptec?
[13:03:21] <Tempt> If you HP Surestore/Sun two drawer 20 slot tape library fails to rezero on powerup and doesn't move the picker, it may well be that the brass rails that provide power and signal to the robotics are dirty.
[13:03:32] <Tempt> Cleaning them will allow the tape library to communicate with the picker again.
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[13:04:15] <Tempt> dlg: Oh, and don't buy Adaptec unless you're connecting a scanner to your peecee.
[13:05:30] <dlg> id rather buy a new usb one
[13:05:40] <Tempt> Nah, the old HP ScanJets rocked.
[13:06:13] <dlg> cant i use a symbios or lsi controller?
[13:06:32] <Tempt> Use those for spindles or tapes. Save the old crappy adaptecs for the one thing they did well.
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[13:09:49] <cmihai> What is it with optical mice and old computers?
[13:10:24] <cmihai> I don't see why my system can't see my PS2 optical mouse, or my USB2PS2 mouse, but can see a regular ball PS2 mouse ;-\
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[13:17:58] <Plouj> does opensolaris have SATA and ethernet drivers for the nvidia mcp61p chipset?
[13:18:30] <edwardocallaghan> we are back
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[13:19:20] <edwardocallaghan> brb rebooting into a new install of Solaris
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[13:21:43] <vmlemon> Hi, any ideas why I keep getting "Please reboot the system. There are inconsistencies in the current state of the system which only a reboot can solve" at installation?
[13:22:02] <cmihai> Plouj: check the HCL, and see \
[13:22:10] <vmlemon> Of course, rebooting and even cold booting don't solve the supposed problems
[13:22:11] <cmihai> Plouj: also check the Java HCL app
[13:22:29] <cmihai> Most NVIDIA are supported though. You could just boot some CD and see.
[13:22:34] <twincest> amazing, infortrend's iscsi target works with the solaris initiator
[13:23:02] <quasi> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6497473 - not necessarily all nvidia
[13:25:11] <Plouj> cmihai: I don't have the mobo to try
[13:25:27] <cmihai> So read the HCL, ml and google :-)
[13:25:31] <Plouj> cmihai: what's hcl?
[13:25:47] <cmihai> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[13:25:53] <cmihai> Solaris OS: Hardware Compatibility Lists
[13:26:04] <quasi> if mcp61p is the same as mcp61 then ethernet seems like limited support
[13:26:05] <Plouj> thanks
[13:26:09] <cmihai> You want this: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sx/
[13:26:39] <cmihai> For Solaris Express.
[13:28:08] <Plouj> it doesn't even find "mcp61"
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[13:29:11] * quasi points Plouj at the bug entry from above - mentions MCP61 and ethernet trouble
[13:29:22] <Plouj> oh
[13:29:27] <Plouj> didn't see that
[13:29:31] <twincest> "Due to some compatibility problems between LSI SCSI-320 chips (5301030T) on the controllers and Adaptec?s 29320A and 39320A SCSI adapter cards, hosts using these two cards cannot access the EonStor subsystems."  < yeah, don't buy adaptec.
[13:30:46] <Plouj> heh, the person was using the exact mobo I was planning to buy
[13:30:50] <Plouj> so I need to find a better one
[13:31:38] <Tempt> QLogic for the win.
[13:31:55] <quasi> Plouj: it seems sort of fixable
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[13:39:51] <Tempt> haha, tape library now doing robot equivalent of pushups
[13:39:58] <Tempt> slot 1 to 20, 20 to 1, repeat ...
[13:40:16] <Stric> twincest: not at all? not even at u160?
[13:40:24] <twincest> Stric: yeah, it works at u160
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[13:40:40] <twincest> lsi works at 320 :)
[13:40:45] <Stric> hm.. hold on.. lsi 1030..
[13:40:53] <vmlemon> Has anyone else got that error message? And why does it seem to happen, only when the first configuration phase (where you configure DNS and language settings) is complete?
[13:40:59] <Stric> pci     188   +ISER-LEFT/PCI3  scsi-pci1000,30 (scsi-2)      LSI,1030
[13:40:59] <Stric>               okay        /pci@1f,700000/pci@0/scsi@2
[13:41:10] <Stric> the v245 has lsi 1030's and works fine
[13:42:02] <dlg> the 245 uses lsisas1064s
[13:42:31] <Stric> ok, I'll rephrase. our v245 has a sun dual u320 card which has lsi 1030..
[13:42:45] <twincest> Stric: the problem is with adaptec HBAs in the host
[13:43:00] <twincest> Stric: the LSI chip they mention is what the controller uses
[13:43:11] <Stric> aah.
[13:43:21] <Stric> so I've got lsi 1030 on both sides ;)
[13:43:34] <twincest> last time we replaced it with an LSI card it did 320 fine :)
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[13:47:20] <Stric> Btw, anyone know in which order ZFS ACLs are evaluated? First-match, last-match, first-deny, first-allow, foo?
[13:47:33] <Stric> Or just filter it through everything and see what you got
[13:49:27] <SYS64738> why commands are found in path only when I am user and not when I am root ?
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[13:50:54] <Stric> try this: echo $PATH    as both users
[13:51:33] <SYS64738> when I become root with 'su -' the path is only /usr/sbin:/usr/bin
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[13:52:13] <SYS64738> uh I lost a SU in SUPATH :)
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[13:54:50] <asyd>  /s 12
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[13:55:50] <SYS64738> is it safe using zfs over hardware rad5 ?
[13:55:56] <SYS64738> raid
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[13:57:21] <Stric> Yes. If your storage system reports an error, ZFS will panic your machine because it can't self-heal.
[13:57:59] <quasi> Stric: eh?
[13:58:30] <Stric> quasi: eh to what? ZFS panic:ing?
[13:58:41] <quasi> yah
[13:58:46] <Stric> Well.. it will.
[13:59:12] <Stric> If you don't have ZFS level redundancy and your storage system can't write or so, then it will panic
[13:59:29] <SYS64738> than isn't safe
[13:59:43] <Stric> It's safe as long as your hw raid5 doesn't break down
[14:00:00] <Stric> then your OS will panic (currently)
[14:00:03] <quasi> Stric: shouldn't panic
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[14:00:42] <SYS64738> it's better to use the hw raid5 (with spare) or use raid-z ?
[14:00:54] <Saltsa> Stric: can't that behaviour be changed? In linux, I think, filesystem can be mount ro if hw-error occurs
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[14:01:21] <Stric> Saltsa: It's being worked on I believe.
[14:01:29] <Stric> SYS64738: define "better"?
[14:01:38] <SYS64738> safer
[14:01:45] <Stric> defined "safer"
[14:01:58] <Saltsa> Stric: btw, have you any information about zfs and gplv(2|3)?
[14:02:04] <Stric> I don't
[14:02:07] <Stric> I'm just a user
[14:02:30] <coffman_zzz> Saltsa: stop that
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[14:03:10] <Stric> With raidz, if a disk is giving you bad data - ZFS will fix it for you..
[14:03:29] <Stric> with hw-raid5, if a disk gives you bad data - you will probably end up with crap at application level
[14:03:48] <Stric> raidz will probably give you fewer IOPS than hw-raid5
[14:04:23] <Stric> but will not have the raid5 write hole (if power is lost / stuff crashes during a write - that data might appear ok but is toast)
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[14:15:09] <SYS64738> thanks Stric
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[14:31:21] <SYS64738> is there the way to understand if my controller has a backup battery ?
[14:33:07] <asyd> by looking the manufacturer doc ?
[14:33:17] <Cyrille> that's cheating.
[14:33:56] <asyd> right
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[15:04:40] <renihs> hmm anyone using solaris as desktop with german keyboard layout? i am missing special chars in (some???) apps
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[15:05:55] <quasi> renihs: maybe from using utf8 instead of ISO88...
[15:06:15] <renihs> hmm?
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[15:12:03] <renihs> hmm i need some solaris localisation guide....
[15:12:25] <cmihai> docs.sun.com :-)
[15:12:44] <renihs> not funny
[15:12:45] <asyd> there is a very good localisation guide, and I recommand to create a sungloss account
[15:12:54] <renihs> sungloss?
[15:13:05] <asyd> google?
[15:13:44] <renihs> if i google solaris sungloss i get a bunch of japanise
[15:13:57] <renihs> dont speak/read that
[15:14:02] <asyd> sungloss is not specific to solaris.
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[15:15:08] <cmihai> Sungloss Marble and Stone Restoration or Sun Globalization Portal 2.0 - Sun Gloss - tough choice :-)
[15:16:27] <vmlemon> I think he wants the Marble and Stone Restoration ;)
[15:16:32] <Cyrille> I'll go for the marble and stone restauration.
[15:16:35] <Cyrille> Ohhh shiny.
[15:16:57] <Cyrille> restoration even
[15:17:40] <cmihai> I hate localization.
[15:17:49] <cmihai> English (C, POSIX) or die! :-)
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[15:18:12] <cmihai> Reminds me of the time I was trying to admin an AIX and the fucker was in Japanese ;-]
[15:19:58] <renihs> hmm created an account, searched for solaris localisation ...turns up nothing
[15:20:12] <renihs> hmm
[15:20:41] <cmihai> renihs: http://developers.sun.com/global/technology/translation/sungloss-help.html
[15:21:10] <renihs> yes gives no results
[15:21:49] <renihs> also i already installed the entire CEU locales i just wonder how i can actually use them
[15:22:12] <Cyrille> by changing your session locale?
[15:22:17] <renihs> LC_ALL and LANG arent the things i need it seems, keyboard mappings dont work neither
[15:22:28] <renihs> Cyrille, i did that
[15:22:33] <cmihai> renihs: locales aren't the same thing as localization.
[15:22:38] <Cyrille> and it's not using localised labels?
[15:22:46] <renihs> Cyrille, exactly
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[15:23:20] <renihs> also i would need some gui switcher applet since more than one person will be working on the same account :(
[15:23:21] <Cyrille> may I ask, just to be sure, how you changed the session locale?
[15:23:39] <renihs> those i changed with LC_ALL and LANG
[15:23:46] <renihs> i assume those affect the locales...
[15:23:58] <renihs> by grabbing one of locale -a
[15:23:58] <Cyrille> that's not what I meant then. I meant in the login screen picking a specific locale.
[15:24:28] <renihs> the java-desktop -> preferences -> keyboard thingie doesnt work
[15:24:38] <renihs> so i used the applet (right click on taskbar)
[15:24:51] <renihs> but that one complains on each startup that it will be removed soon
[15:25:10] <renihs> than i have german keyboard (paritially) but not in all applications
[15:25:29] <renihs> i am still missing the @ and the ? then
[15:25:35] 
[15:25:54] <renihs> but it works only in some applikations like openoffice and mozilla and stuff
[15:25:59] <renihs> but not in gedit or like
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[15:30:25] <renihs> aaa, Cyrille i continued my brabblings in #solaris
[15:30:31] <renihs> too many tabs
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[15:31:08] <Pietro_S> renihs: at login dialog you can choose local also ...
[15:31:10] <Cyrille> renihs, so how about you try what I suggested just so that you can start from a session set the way it's supposed to?
[15:31:51] <renihs> Cyrille, ya but i need to be able to switch in session too
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[15:32:01] <renihs> but didnt catch your drift first, will try if it works now
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[15:32:49] <Cyrille> problem is that most of the desktop, gnome session, nautilus, gnome panel, etc. are started when the session is launched, changing the locale after that is unlikely to affect them much.
[15:33:41] <renihs> hmmm but that should be possible though, at least on gnome on linux :( hmm
[15:33:54] <renihs> i doubt that he is going to like to have to loggoff/on again but bla
[15:34:15] <renihs> mkay it works now...except
[15:34:20] <renihs> the @ is missing :(
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[15:34:48] <renihs> ah not missing just on wrong position
[15:35:37] <renihs> that can be remapped, thanks alot
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[15:36:03] <renihs> but its strange that the keyboard preferences thingie doesnt work as its supposed to
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[15:36:24] <renihs> or at least that works on linux and its the same code i would say (gnome-desktop)
[15:37:56] <Cyrille> no idea, maybe you should take it with the JDS folks and see what they think about the topic.
[15:38:51] <renihs> ya, i doubt its intended that way but dunno
[15:39:14] <Tempt> slot 1 to 20, 20 to 1, repeat ...
[15:39:47] <Tempt> oops
[15:39:52] <Tempt> damn history ;)
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[15:43:38] <SYS64738> I am trying to make a zone for squid, which one must I choose beetwen sparse and whole root zones ?
[15:44:20] <asyd> sparse is enough for squid
[15:44:40] <SYS64738> ok thanks
[15:48:08] <Tempt> Don't forget you can grab a good squid package from cooltools
[15:51:52] <cmihai> ???????? :-)
[15:52:29] <Tempt> Hmm?
[15:53:36] <Plouj> boxes with arrows?
[15:54:33] <cmihai> ? ? my terminal seems to do that every now and then :-)
[15:54:55] <cmihai> When I press the arrow keys and pageup/down, home/end and numlock
[15:55:00] <Tempt> ah. I'm on my Mac, I'm just seeing question marks.
[15:55:12] <cmihai> ?
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[15:55:14] <cmihai> Wow :-)
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[15:55:32] <cmihai> Tempt: nah, you just don't have UTF-8 support in your irc client, terminal and (maybe screen) :P
[15:56:27] <Tempt> Yes, the Apple terminal plays funny.
[15:56:43] <Tempt> Anyway, I don't need UTF-8 ;)
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[15:59:47] <Tempt> aah, zfs send + mbuffer = easy tape backup.
[16:02:07] <cmihai> Would be better with ZFS root
[16:02:13] <cmihai> And to work like mksysb on AIX
[16:02:56] <cmihai> (bootable tape backups) :-)
[16:03:18] <cmihai> snapshot of the root volume to tape, and you're set :-)
[16:05:44] <Plouj> I can make compressed snapshots, right?
[16:06:07] <Tempt> cmihai: flash archives ...
[16:07:06] <cmihai> Tempt: not quite the same thing :-)
[16:07:31] <SYS64738> Tempt, is cooltool homepage this: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/ ?
[16:07:35] <cmihai> Oh well, I'll experiment more with root ZFS once the tools support it.
[16:07:52] <cmihai> SYS64738: Isn't that obvious? ;_)
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[16:15:01] <Tempt> SYS64738: yes.
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[16:37:33] <SYS64738> what's the right way to download packages from cooltools ? if I use wget the system tells me that it cannot write the file cause File name too long
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[16:38:31] <asyd> SYS64738: use -O option
[16:38:37] <cmihai> SYS64738: what filesystem are you downloading to? :-)
[16:38:44] <asyd> to override the filename
[16:38:46] <cmihai> SYS64738: rename the file... to something shorter on your FS.
[16:38:47] <SYS64738> ufs
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[16:38:55] <asyd> cmihai: it's a well know "problem" with sun's download
[16:39:12] <cmihai> Heh, damn 3 page names :-)
[16:39:19] <asyd> for example: wget 'http://192.18.108.136/ECom/EComTicketServlet/BEGINCFE016E228FA6D7B8C538FDA3429FE04/116042403/2216931939/1/790178/789686/2216931939/2ts+/westCoastFSEND/Sol10-U3-x86-G-F/Sol10-U3-x86-G-F:4/sol-10-u3-ga-x86-v3-iso.zip' -O sol-10-u3-ga-x86-v3-iso.zip
[16:39:26] <cmihai> Jesus :-)
[16:39:33] <SYS64738> thanks
[16:39:38] <cmihai> Damn their weird akamai mirrors :-)
[16:39:39] <quasi> the -O is important
[16:40:00] <cast> ahh i had that problem on XFS, reiserfs would be fine though
[16:43:02] <Plouj> I see duplication in that URL
[16:43:23] <asyd> complains to akamai/sun
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[16:44:01] <asyd> is ON67 include xen ?
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[16:44:50] <stevel> asyd: no
[16:44:51] <quasi> stevel: in 15 mins?
[16:45:04] <stevel> quasi: yeah
[16:45:28] <asyd> ok, thanks
[16:45:33] <twincest> apparently, adaptec's own hba driver fixes this infortrend problem
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[16:45:38] <twincest> i wonder how to persuade sun to fix it in their driver :)
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[16:47:32] <seanmcg> twincest: try logging a bug :) http://www.opensolaris.org/bug/report.jspa
[16:47:54] <twincest> i have no idea what the problem is other than what infortrend told me.  is that enough for a bug?
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[16:49:25] <quasi> b67 looks pretty boring except for the cluster brand zones
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[16:51:45] <twincest> stevel: is bugs.opensolaris.org unhappy?  it takes a long time to load, and the css seems to be missing
[16:52:12] <seanmcg> twincest: what did infortrend say ? and there a pointer to adaptec's own driver ?
[16:52:46] <twincest> seanmcg: http://rafb.net/p/EPk0aT90.html
[16:54:16] <twincest> hm, also the bug form only has snv_ releases, but i only have S10 to test on :)
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[16:55:26] <stevel> twincest: no known outage
[16:55:37] <twincest> stevel: yeah, seems to be okay now.. sorry
[16:55:48] <stevel> no worries
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[16:56:37] <twincest> although i am about to reinstall this host, maybe i should try nv67 first
[16:58:43] <seanmcg> twincest: what kind of host is it ? (sparc, x86; sun machine, other ?)
[16:58:59] <twincest> seanmcg: x86 (two actually, a v40z and a dell had the same problem)
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[16:59:19] <seanmcg> not a dell 670 ?-)
[16:59:26] <twincest> no, PE1950
[16:59:31] <edwardocallaghan> hi
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[17:02:48] <seanmcg> twincest: if still on s10, you may have to log a call for it..
[17:03:54] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone could help me out ?
[17:04:02] <seanmcg> There was an old bug against a dell 670 with a AIC-7901A..  http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6236055
[17:04:11] <edwardocallaghan> I'm a bit stuck with th nfo driver
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[17:05:30] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: http://blogs.sun.com/PotstickerGuru/entry/getting_solaris_x86_graphics_nic
[17:07:47] <edwardocallaghan> quasi:Thanks, but I already found that with google
[17:08:05] <edwardocallaghan> The device shows up in ifconfig -a
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[17:08:14] <edwardocallaghan> so it seems to be plumb ?
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[17:08:43] <edwardocallaghan> and I seem to have a ip of 192.168.1.100 as expeceted ..
[17:09:15] <quasi> netstat -rn
[17:09:20] <edwardocallaghan> but I think DNS is not working maybe as i can't ping google
[17:09:46] <quasi> what about pinging your default gw?
[17:09:53] <edwardocallaghan> I will have to reboot so
[17:09:58] <seanmcg> and ifconfig -a shows it having flags 'UP, BROADCAST, RUNNING, etc ?)
[17:10:12] <edwardocallaghan> yes]
[17:10:20] <edwardocallaghan> If I remember correct
[17:10:39] <seanmcg> shouldn't have to reboot, just need to restart the services...
[17:12:10] <quasi> no need to play windows - "mouse movement detected, please reboot for the changes to take effect"
[17:12:54] <edwardocallaghan> lol
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[17:13:18] <edwardocallaghan> no i mean there are two hard drives with one computer
[17:13:50] <sstallion> any SVM guys around?
[17:14:08] <edwardocallaghan> I am helping some one check out OpenSolaris
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[17:14:52] <migi> Is on nevada x86 any app like hdparm to measure disk cached reads/buffered reads ??
[17:15:10] <sstallion> migi: look into iostat
[17:15:18] <migi> sstallion, thx
[17:16:32] <quasi> migi: the dtrace toolkit has a couple of scripts that try iirc
[17:16:55] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:Maybe we can meet up tomorow
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[17:18:49] <migi> quasi, will try thx
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[17:23:46] <edwardocallaghan> if I get some message about no driver alias in /etc/driver_aliases
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[17:23:58] <edwardocallaghan> what is the best command to fix this.. ?
[17:24:16] <quasi> vi
[17:24:20] <edwardocallaghan> like where do I grep it from
[17:24:33] <edwardocallaghan> yea i know, look please help
[17:24:49] <quasi> scanpci
[17:25:09] <edwardocallaghan> scanpci -v ?
[17:25:45] <edwardocallaghan> also do i really need to recomplie the driver or can i just use the default of i386 with gcc
[17:26:07] <seanmcg> edwardocallaghan: find the driver vendor/product id, and then try with update_drv
[17:26:27] <seanmcg> shouldn't need to compile drivers...
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[17:28:35] <edwardocallaghan> update_drv -a -i '"pci10de,0269"' nfo
[17:28:36] <edwardocallaghan> emacs /etc/driver_aliases
[17:28:36] <edwardocallaghan> nfo "pci10de,0269"
[17:28:36] <edwardocallaghan> becomes
[17:28:36] <edwardocallaghan> nfo "pci10de,269"
[17:28:36] <edwardocallaghan> Remove any other reference to pci10de,269
[17:28:45] <edwardocallaghan> sorry vi
[17:29:31] <edwardocallaghan> is that what I should be doing ?
[17:29:38] <seanmcg> try not to edit driver_aliases by hand, cause possibly other files need updating like /etc/name_to_major.  the *_drv commands should do everything...
[17:30:15] <edwardocallaghan> update_drv -a -i '"pci10de,0269"' nfo
[17:30:27] <edwardocallaghan> so you recon that will fix it up?
[17:30:44] <seanmcg> odd, that rev of nvidia card should be supported by the bundled nge driver.
[17:31:12] <edwardocallaghan> i don't know if thats the right id
[17:31:18] <edwardocallaghan> i found that on a site
[17:31:40] <edwardocallaghan> I just followed the readme
[17:31:58] <seanmcg> is there a line already in the driver_alias saying: nge "pci10de,0269"' ?
[17:32:12] <edwardocallaghan> which is kind of hard to follow if you are stupid like me
[17:32:31] <edwardocallaghan> yea i think there is
[17:32:42] <edwardocallaghan> or somthing like that
[17:32:47] <seanmcg> ok, then you shouldn't need the nfo driver.
[17:33:08] <edwardocallaghan> that was after the driver install
[17:33:30] <edwardocallaghan> and i don't know if thats the id without another painful reboot
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[17:33:53] <seanmcg> scanpci should tell you the id of the nvidia card.
[17:36:00] <quasi> or if nge grabs it, then you can find it with grep nge /etc/path_to_inst
[17:36:57] <quasi> ehrm, maybe not
[17:37:05] <quasi> use scanpci -vv
[17:37:13] <edwardocallaghan> ok
[17:37:38] <edwardocallaghan> should /etc/hostname.nfo0 exist if i am using dhcp ?
[17:37:56] <vmlemon> Is it normal to receive a blank screen with the word "GRUB" and no other text at boot time, after installation?
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[17:38:14] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: yep
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[17:38:15] <tomww> edwardocallaghan: look for /etc/*nge*
[17:38:42] <gdamore> anyone from the x group around?
[17:43:37] <edwardocallaghan> i think it maybe due to /etc/defaultrouter
[17:44:20] <edwardocallaghan> i will have another hack at working it out myself..
[17:44:27] <edwardocallaghan> thanks for the help
[17:45:04] <seanmcg> whats in /etc/defaultrouter and can you ping it ?
[17:45:22] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: that's why I said netstat -rn ;)
[17:46:43] <seanmcg> ya :)
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[17:48:33] <vmlemon> Is it possible to repair my GRUB installation, so I can actually boot into Solaris?
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[17:49:20] <quasi> vmlemon: depends on how much you broke it
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[17:50:15] <vmlemon> quasi: It's a fresh installation of Solaris, and I found that GRUB didn't function on first boot
[17:50:23] <vmlemon> It would just hang at "GRUB"
[17:50:32] <vmlemon> And no menu appears
[17:51:03] <timsf> vmlemon, you can probably boot using a CD, and then hand-write the grub entry from the grub command line
[17:51:12] <timsf> (hit c when the menu is displayed)
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[17:54:36] <quasi> /sbin/installgrub
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[17:55:12] <Tempt> Hey boyd.
[17:55:48] <vmlemon> I've tried running installgrub, however after rebooting, I still get the same problem with the bootloader
[17:56:13] <vmlemon> I'll try manually booting at the DVD's GRUB prompt
[17:57:11] <quasi> installgrub needs the right params
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[18:03:43] <SYS64738> is it possibile that packages in cooltools repository aren't more compatible ?
[18:03:47] <SYS64738> squid one
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[18:06:23] <gdamore> i recently changed my geforce 6600 for a quadro nvs 280, and it no longer sees my acer's native resolution as 1680x1050.  its bugging me.
[18:07:29] <gdamore> i can't seem to figure out how to configure it for 1680x1050 with nvidia-settings.  am i just being stupid?
[18:09:51] <vmlemon> Now, I get a screen full of "Nested trap, calling reboot()"
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[18:11:20] <seanmcg> gdamore: don't think the 280 can support that resolution...
[18:13:32] <gdamore> hmm.. that sucks.
[18:13:39] <gdamore> maybe i need to put back in the 6600 then.
[18:13:42] <gdamore> :-(
[18:14:56] <Pietro_S> gdamore: try to hardcode that resolution in xorg.conf (that nvidia utility can make output of xorg.conf)
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[18:15:40] <gdamore> i tried hardcoding it, but it didn't work.
[18:15:57] <gdamore> annoying since IIRC the geforce 6600 Just Worked.
[18:16:10] <cmihai> gdamore: unless you want reliability, 6600 probably beats nvs 280 hands down in terms of performance ;-)
[18:16:33] <cmihai> Though it's not an epen15 factor :-)
[18:16:47] <gdamore> i was trying to get dual digital output (for later), which the 6600 lacks.  plus, i liked that the 280 ran cooler.
[18:16:54] <seanmcg> gdamore: what does /usr/X11/bin/xrandr tell you ?  it should give you a list of supported resolutions..
[18:16:55] <gdamore> i only run solaris, no games, no 3D... so
[18:17:06] <gdamore> it doesn't list 1680x1050.
[18:17:32] <cmihai> gdamore: do you need dual digital output?
[18:17:34] <gdamore> i kind of think that this resolution became popular *after* the quadro came about.
[18:17:35] <axisys> can i run flarcreate and say exclude zfs fs or do I need to use -x /zfs/partition ?
[18:17:40] <gdamore> i "prefer" digital output.
[18:17:43] <cmihai> gdamore: most monitors have VGA input along side DVI
[18:17:44] <aruiz> timsf, when did you write that shel wrapper?
[18:17:47] <aruiz> :-)
[18:17:51] <aruiz> shell*
[18:17:56] <gdamore> yes, i know that.  but analog sucks.  :-)
[18:18:03] <cmihai> Why?
[18:18:08] <cmihai> It's still digital inside lol :-)
[18:18:13] <gdamore> blacks are not as black, etc.
[18:18:22] <cmihai> Meh
[18:18:28] <cmihai> Maybe just on LCDs :p
[18:18:38] <gdamore> yes, but this is an LCD.
[18:19:00] <gdamore> generally, for a *digital* display, using a digital data path is superior.  For an analog CRT, it doesn't matter.
[18:19:27] <cmihai> Yeah. DVI is nice I guess.
[18:19:35] <timsf> aruiz just this afternoon
[18:19:44] <timsf> was a bit bored waiting for tests
[18:21:35] <aruiz> timsf, remind me that I owe you a beer next meeting :)
[18:21:59] <cmihai> Hell, my 6 year old RS/6000 comes with DVI only 3D framebuffers :-)
[18:22:06] <aruiz> timsf, probably, the first piece of Indiana code ;)
[18:22:17] <cmihai> Haven't seen VGA in years on modern hardware
[18:22:41] <aruiz> timsf, you should print it and put it on a frame, that's history!
[18:22:51] <timsf> I doubt it, but thanks, it's such a tiny script and probably very badly written
[18:22:54] <cmihai> That gives me an idea :-)
[18:22:59] <cmihai> OpenSolaris Power :-D
[18:23:12] <aruiz> timsf, can you explain me the tar cases problem?
[18:23:13] <timsf> just trying to give ppl a model of "JFDI"
[18:23:14] <cmihai> I should give that PowerPC port a spin.
[18:23:19] <timsf> rather than whinge forever...
[18:23:26] <aruiz> timsf, absolutely
[18:23:28] <aruiz> :)
[18:23:30] <timsf> Oh - I think I got syntax wrong there,
[18:23:34] <timsf>  (not used to linux)
[18:23:41] <timsf> I thought "g" did compression
[18:23:46] <aruiz> timsf, can you put that file in some kind of hg repo so I can review it?
[18:23:51] <timsf> it's "z" in Linux, right ?
[18:23:53] <aruiz> and maybe contribute it
[18:24:00] <timsf> Um,
[18:24:05] <vmlemon> PowerSolaris?
[18:24:06] <timsf> no SCM yet
[18:24:09] <aruiz> timelyx, yes, zcvf compress gzip
[18:24:11] <aruiz> oops
[18:24:12] <timsf> just send me whatever changes you like
[18:24:14] <cmihai> vmlemon: Solaris on PowerPC
[18:24:22] <vmlemon> OK
[18:24:50] <aruiz> timsf, distributed scm are really useful for this kind of things ;)
[18:24:55] <aruiz> okay
[18:25:11] <timsf> yeah I know what you mean
[18:25:26] <cmihai> hg init -> you're set :P
[18:25:35] <timsf> To be honest, I doubt that script will actually get anywhere
[18:25:51] <timsf> I'm sure there's got to be a better way than a bloody shell wrapper
[18:25:58] <timsf> (seems a bit primative to me)
[18:25:59] <cmihai> hg add, hg commit, hg serve and you've got a web repo lol. Don't be lazy, get that thing running! :D
[18:26:05] <timsf> but we'll see what other ppl thing.
[18:26:20] <timsf> s/thing/think
[18:27:45] <aruiz> timsf, I'll figure out how the Ubuntu guys are doing it
[18:28:10] <aruiz> timsf, however, it would be a good start to show people that some code is floating around
[18:28:32] <aruiz> timsf, it's not the script itself, but showing the fact that people are starting to adressing issues
[18:28:51] <aruiz> timsf, I can setup the repo myself ;)
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[18:34:03] <pfn> how can I boot from grub without using a boot_archive?
[18:34:26] <pfn> is there any way to specify the root (boot) device from grub?
[18:34:35] <pfn> without giving a too-specific name?
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[18:54:38] <timsf> pfn, yeah root (hd0,0,a)
[18:54:40] <timsf> or the like.
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[19:05:38] <axisys> is there a way to force exclude a dir in flar? I am getting ERROR: File /dir registered in package database - can not be excluded
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[19:25:16] <brendang> anyone know of a NIC that supports LSO?
[19:29:20] <pfn> timsf, I have no idea what hd0,0,a means, and what if it's a cd, or something?
[19:29:41] <timsf> then it's cd0,0,0
[19:29:49] <timsf> hang on, I'll find you a pointer for more info
[19:29:55] <pfn> thanks
[19:30:14] <timsf> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/grub_boot_solaris.html
[19:30:39] <timsf> Tab completion works on the grub command line too, so you can do:
[19:30:44] <timsf> root ([tab]
[19:30:52] <timsf> and it should show you the devices you have.
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[19:37:11] <pfn> where is zfs configuration stored?  I'm fooling around with zfs from the x86.miniroot but I have to zpool import -f poolname upon reboot
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[19:44:24] <timsf> /etc/zfs/zpool.cache
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[19:52:29] <pfn> at what point is the file read during the boot?
[19:52:45] <pfn> although I guess I'm stuck in a bit of a catch22...
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[19:56:45] <pfn> I guess /etc/zfs/zpool.cache can be sourced from the boot_archive...
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[20:00:35] <CIA-19> cg209009: 6566758 Race condition in uadmin(A_SHUTDOWN)
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[20:17:44] <timsf> pfn, I'm not sure, probably when the zfs module is loaded. What are you trying to do with it, it's not an interface...
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[20:20:22] <pfn> timsf, I'm try to make a livecd(usb,flash,etc) for use in a standalone NAS
[20:22:09] <pfn> s/try/trying
[20:22:36] <pfn> just thinking of ways how I'm going to persist config, boot from a cd, load into a ramdisk, etc.
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[20:55:12] <timsf> pfn, hm, zfs can't boot from readonly media at the moment - everything else should work though
[20:56:19] <richlowe> timsf: just because it wants the ZIL, or?
[20:56:32] <richlowe> (if you point the ZIL at r/w media with the new bits, is it happy or am I missing something?)
[20:56:57] <timsf> Never tried it tbh, seem to remember the zfs devs getting a bit nervous about the concept though
[20:57:07] <richlowe> Hm.
[20:57:10] <timsf> hang on, let's see if I can find a bugid
[20:57:36] <richlowe> Not that I can entirely think of a sound reason to have zfs on r/o media.
[20:57:52] <richlowe> add a second DVD drive, and make the install media a mirror to account for bad burns? ;)
[20:58:49] <timsf> Yeah, ppl were suggesting that sort of thing on indiana-discuss,
[20:58:55] <timsf> can't find the thread now (damn noise)
[20:59:05] <richlowe> I was just being sarcastic :)
[20:59:08] <timsf> I think Moinak came up with a convincing reason why it wouldn't work
[20:59:35] <timsf> (no seriosuly, I think it's a great idea - set copies=foo, and all your cd burning woes are over, given enough space)
[21:00:07] <richlowe> Hm, I wonder if it would even help to set copies=
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[21:00:20] <richlowe> but somehow, I doubt relling keeps RAS data on CD media :)
[21:00:29] <richlowe> (regarding CD media, not 'on'...)
[21:00:50] <sommerfeld> richlowe: wouldn't it be clever if you could do an install via "zpool replace" ?
[21:00:52] <sysadm__> anyone around know their way around absolute link addreses and memory models with Studio 11 ?
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[21:01:27] <sysadm__> I want to link a bit of code but not with the -M /usr/lib/ld/map.default  option
[21:01:28] <timsf> cue "relling has so much redundancy..." quotes, along the lines of Chuck Norris...
[21:01:29] <sommerfeld> i.e., boot off of DVD-ROM, then mirror the pool onto your disks....
[21:03:14] <timsf> richlowe, found it - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/indiana-discuss/2007-June/001299.html
[21:03:21] <timsf> mostly talking about livemedia really...
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[21:05:33] <richlowe> stevel: ow.
[21:05:38] <cmihai> stevel: again? :-)
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[21:05:49] <cmihai> It's getting to be some kind of habbit ;-[
[21:05:54] <cmihai> DDOS again?
[21:05:57] <sysadm__> does Studio cc work with absolute addresses ?
[21:06:25] <richlowe> cmihai: Upgrade gone wrong I'd bet.
[21:06:40] <stevel> anyone here happen to have mailman experience?
[21:06:58] <sysadm__> I'm in the wrong bloody chan clearly ..
[21:07:06] <bda> stevel: Too easy... must... not. Comment.
[21:07:09] <sysadm__> stevel, yes
[21:07:30] <cmihai> richlowe: don't they erm... cluster or LiveUpgrade or have some kind of HA? :-(
[21:07:36] <richlowe> cmihai: No idea.
[21:07:49] <sysadm__> stevel : whats the issue ?
[21:07:54] <stevel> sysadm__: any idea what the problem could be if web changes to a mailing list aren't taking effect for some (old/migrated) lists, but not others?
[21:08:21] <stevel> we migrated servers, and can't make web changes to the old lists - but creating a new list and making changes to the new lists seem to work fine
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[21:08:27] <leal> hello,
[21:08:32] <stevel> the permissions in mailman/lists/<newlist> match just fine with mailman/lists/<oldlist>
[21:09:03] <leal> i have a problem with the service svc:/system/cluster/scslm:default
[21:09:27] <leal> that service are not running and six dependency services are not running too.
[21:09:27] <cmihai> leal: svcs -xv, read the log
[21:09:31] <sysadm__> stevel, that is non-trivial
[21:09:38] <leal> the reason is Dependency svc:/system/pools is absent
[21:09:51] <sysadm__> stevel : and of course .. I'm not very helpful in this regard
[21:09:52] <richlowe> the guess after permissions would be config file format changes, or the like.
[21:09:53] <leal> that is a bug?
[21:09:54] <richlowe> but it'd still be a guess.
[21:10:08] <leal> cmihai: I did that.
[21:10:29] <leal> cmihai: and i did read the  http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-E2
[21:10:40] <stevel> richlowe: that's what i thought - but we double checked permissions, and i outputted the configuration files to text and reimported them in case there were file format changes - but no dice
[21:11:09] <leal> cmihai: it's a fresh install of solaris cluster 3.2 (without errors or warnings in installation)
[21:11:27] <leal> So, the question is: Why the svc:/system/pools is absent???
[21:11:30] <cmihai> leal: what host?
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[21:11:56] <leal> cmihai: what??
[21:12:15] <SYS64738> how can I remove this line:   <inherited-pkg-dir directory="/opt"/>     from the .xml of a zone with zonecfg  ?
[21:12:31] <cmihai> leal: your Solaris version.
[21:12:40] <leal> cmihai: solaris 10.
[21:12:49] <leal> all patches applied.
[21:12:52] <cmihai> u3? Are you up to date on your patchlevel?
[21:13:12] <cmihai> I hate to ask, but you are in #OpenSolaris, I assumed it might have been some SXCE or something.
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[21:13:44] <leal> cmihai: ok.
[21:13:51] <Plouj> does opensolaris support AoE?
[21:14:16] <leal> cmihai: do you have some idea?
[21:14:51] <cmihai> leal: nah man, could be some bug (expects that service). Now you could create the manifest and SMF service yourself if you start those by hand.. or remove it as a depend, but it's not really a fix.
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[21:15:03] <cmihai> leal: go ask on the mailing lists.
[21:15:08] <leal> I think: 1- it's a bug, and the system/pools should be there, or 2- it's a bug, and that service is no necessary.
[21:15:42] <leal> cmihai: thanks.
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[21:22:53] <richlowe> I would expect system/pools not being there suggests you didn't install SUNWpoolr/SUNWpoolu, and related.
[21:23:32] <stevel> ah!
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[21:27:55] <stevel> got it
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[21:45:05] <tg> hi
[21:45:21] <tg> where can i download a netinstall image?
[21:45:26] <tg> i couldn't find it
[21:46:53] <cmihai> ,faq
[21:47:00] <cmihai> Read the TOPIC.
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[21:47:08] <cmihai> It's cd41.iso on ANY ftp mirror.
[21:47:13] <cmihai> Ah fuck.
[21:47:16] <cmihai> Wrong channel, AGAIN!
[21:47:23] <cmihai> I hate this white background :-)
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[21:47:53] <cmihai> tg: what netinstall image?
[21:48:01] <cmihai> Just download the media kit, and do a JumpStart.
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[21:49:54] <tg> from the zfs boot readme: "Build or download a full Solaris netinstall image with bits that are build 62 or later"
[21:49:57] <tg> that one;]
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[21:51:43] <sommerfeld> tg: ah, yes,  download the solaris express community edition DVD image.  the inside of that is a full solaris netinstall image.
[21:52:22] <tg> okay i just downloaded that
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[21:53:37] <sommerfeld> (lofiadm(1m) will let you mount the image as a filesystem w/o burning a DVD)
[21:54:08] <tg> kthx
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[21:58:59] <leal> richlowe: SUNWpoolu is not installed.
[21:59:28] <leal> richlowe: but i have SUNWpool and SUNWpoolr...
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[22:03:49] <pfn> timsf misinterpreted me...
[22:04:11] <pfn> I don't want my livecd to be zfs, I want it to be able to mount a zfs volume
[22:04:22] <pfn> the problem is that zpool.cache won't be on the ramdisk...
[22:04:40] <pfn> I was thinking, grub -> kernel on livecd; boot_archive on zfs
[22:05:11] <pfn> where boot_archive contains /etc/zfs/zpool.cache
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[22:15:37] <tomww> pfn: zpool import
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[22:15:55] <zed> hi there :)
[22:16:31] <pfn> tomww, I know, that's what I said above
[22:16:39] <pfn> tomww, I have to do zpool import -f poolname
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[22:18:22] <tomww> does this work for you? zpool.cache would be nice to remember what was imported last time, but it is not absolutely necessay to have one, except you can live without shared storage (SAN, cluster, ...)
[22:18:53] <pfn> well, I don't like it, it makes it hard to have an automated boot, I think
[22:19:08] <pfn> but I'm thinking I can store a boot_archive on the zfs volume that contains the zpool.cache
[22:19:52] <tomww> you could re-use the zfs boot property to find the right pool
[22:19:52] <pfn> http://paste.hanhuy.com/screenshot/solarisCdromBoot
[22:20:01] <pfn> what zfs boot property?
[22:20:58] <tomww> with the zfs boot project, there have been added some attributes zfs. maybe this helps you to import one pool first, then look into your configfiles and do all the individual stuff for the system
[22:21:11] <sommerfeld> hmm.  looks like the change to mailman broke my mail filters (the X-BeenThere headers changed)
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[22:27:28] <pfn> http://paste.hanhuy.com/screenshot/solarisCdromBoot
[22:27:31] <pfn> I don't get it
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[22:27:43] <pfn> why is that an unrecognized device string?
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[22:30:16] <pfn> oh, it's (cd)
[22:30:55] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: is there anything like a IPSEC documentation for OSol?
[22:31:13] <sommerfeld> what are you looking for, specifically?
[22:31:18] <sommerfeld> there's a bunch of it
[22:31:34] * zed is giving a try to opensolaris, i'm looking for a way to upgrade to the latest kernel...
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[22:32:21] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: racoon2 uses interfaces like IPSEC_POLICY_NONE, SADB_X_SATYPE_IPCOMP etc
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[22:32:58] <Murmuria> which I presume is glibc specific, and is different in OSol
[22:33:08] <sommerfeld> oh, and I owe you a response to the query you sent last week.
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[22:33:35] <Murmuria> ya, well just this will do
[22:33:42] <Murmuria> I have come this far
[22:33:51] <sommerfeld> so it's not a glibc vs solaris libc thing.
[22:33:58] <Murmuria> oh
[22:33:58] <sommerfeld> it's a kernel interface question.
[22:34:04] <Murmuria> ya
[22:34:32] <sommerfeld> we don't have support for the IPCOMP protocol within solaris (hasn't been any perceivable demand for it)
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[22:34:52] <sommerfeld> so you can just make ipcomp support conditional on an #ifdef SADB_X_SATYPE_IPCOMP
[22:34:59] <Samy> Greetings
[22:35:03] <sommerfeld> (if it's not defined, politely refuse it)
[22:35:04] <Murmuria> ok...
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[22:35:21] <Murmuria> and for the IPSEC stuff?
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[22:35:47] <Murmuria> also, I will like you to answer the glibc vs. libc thing
[22:36:00] <Murmuria> I thought both might have same solution
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[22:36:09] <sommerfeld> with respect to policy, there are two pieces to be aware of:  1) if you're asking the kernel what the policy is, we have a different extension (SADB_X_INVERSE_ACQUIRE)
[22:36:40] <SYS64738> what the right way to delete a zone ?
[22:36:45] <sommerfeld> 2) if you're changing policy, we do that via PF_POLICY, with message formats defined in <net/pfpolicy.h>
[22:37:11] <sommerfeld> and I'll reply to the libc version thing via email.  the short answer is that there's less to the libc version than meets the eye.
[22:38:08] <Murmuria> so is there a documentation, cause I have a whole bunch of interfaces I need to figure out
[22:38:30] <Murmuria> IPSEC_MODE_TRANSPORT
[22:38:34] <Murmuria> etc etc
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[22:42:49] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: could you send me a link?
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[22:42:56] <axisys> how do I upgrade SUNWmysql?
[22:43:14] <axisys> is installs in /usr/sfw
[22:43:21] <axisys> and it is old
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[22:45:01] <axisys> this is for x86
[22:45:06] <Triskelios> axisys: use the official MySQL packages from mysql.com
[22:45:07] <pfn> pkgrm and install a new package?
[22:45:09] <sommerfeld> will send additional details by email.
[22:45:16] <Murmuria> axisys: if you use pkg-get, there is an upgrade option
[22:45:37] <axisys> Murmuria: taht is for CSWmysql and wont work for SUNWmysql
[22:46:07] <Murmuria> 'oh, ok, sorry then
[22:46:11] <axisys> Triskelios: good idea.. but that wont upgrade the SUNWmysql ..;-(
[22:46:26] <Triskelios> axisys: SUNWmysql is usually out of date...
[22:46:29] <axisys> pfn: i dont want to all the data
[22:46:37] <axisys> Triskelios: it is.. :-(
[22:46:46] <axisys> pfn: loose all data
[22:47:10] <Triskelios> axisys: then mysqldump and restore it later
[22:49:07] <Triskelios> you can find the package definitions if you want to try building newer packages, but that's probably not worth the effort
[22:50:14] <axisys> Triskelios: i dont think i need to dump it.. since it probably will install it on its own path
[22:50:22] <axisys> so just have to point to data dir
[22:50:35] <Triskelios> axisys: the db formats change across versions
[22:51:26] <axisys> between 4.0.24 and 5.0.X ?
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[22:53:20] <Triskelios> yeah, of course. that's even a major version upgrade
[22:53:21] <Murmuria> axisys: I have had bad experience using the data dir as is, across different versions.
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[22:54:06] <Murmuria> mysqldump is very clean and you can use a backup if the data is sensitive
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[22:56:34] <axisys> Murmuria: will it backup innodb as well?
[22:58:05] <Triskelios> axisys: it will back up whatever db your mysqld is configured to use, it just dumps the whole thing as sql statements
[22:58:53] <Murmuria> axisys: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/mysqldump.html   might help
[22:59:16] <axisys> also my database is on zfs which i snapshot every night
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[22:59:58] <asyd> I'm really wondering how zsh's snapshot can help for db backup
[23:00:07] <asyd> do you lock your db before snapshot ?
[23:00:36] <CIA-19> nadkarni: 6575177 'umountall -a' to skip tearing down lofs mounts for systems running in context of safemode patching
[23:00:52] <Murmuria> that wont help in upgrade anyway, we need SQL statements
[23:01:19] <pfn> asyd zsh snapshot is bad for db backups
[23:01:31] <pfn> asyd, unless you have a db with consistent disk state and proper transaction logging
[23:01:42] <asyd> well, that depend if you lock/flush your backends i guess
[23:01:43] <pfn> oracle, postgresql and db2 are ok
[23:01:45] <pfn> mysql are not
[23:01:49] <Murmuria> mysqldump converts all data in form of SQL statements, which can be used in very different SQL DBs, ideally
[23:02:11] <pfn> asyd you can snapshot oracle, pgsql and db2--you'll just have to do some log processing upon restore
[23:02:37] <sommerfeld> my normal definition of "database" includes the ability to survive an unexpected service interruption.
[23:02:43] <sommerfeld> so I guess mysql isn't a database :-)
[23:03:34] * pfn avoids mysql at all times
[23:03:43] <pfn> I was reduced to installing it for pokeroffice, though  :(
[23:03:44] * pfn sniffles
[23:04:06] <Murmuria> oh but mysql is a simple DB, its ment for lite projects
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[23:04:19] <axisys> asyd: oops u r right .. i forgot the locking part
[23:04:20] * Murmuria uses mysql for web projects
[23:04:25] <pfn> I never use mysql
[23:04:25] <pfn> why?
[23:04:36] <pfn> if you want "lite" usage, use something embedded, sqlite, javadb, etc.
[23:05:32] <Murmuria> I understand how the php-mysql sends the 3-tier architecture concept for a six, but its so easy
[23:05:42] <pfn> php is also garbage...
[23:05:49] <Murmuria> its the quickest way to complete a website
[23:05:50] * pfn refuses to install anything related to php at all
[23:05:53] <pfn> not really...
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[23:06:15] <asyd> btw, I really interest to know the zfs's behavior when you snapshot a fs while there are some opened fd in write mode
[23:07:00] <pfn> asyd presumably it takes whatever is written to disk
[23:07:01] <Triskelios> Murmuria: rails and django seem much more suited to rapid development
[23:07:12] <pfn> asyd including what's in cache but not yet written out?
[23:07:59] <tomww> asyd: zfs will give yout the state from the last fsync or file close i think
[23:08:15] <Murmuria> Triskelios: touche, but I have worked on mysql-php for sometime now, unfortunately :(
[23:08:25] <asyd> that's mean may be not consistent, while the fs is. afaik xfs_freeze (called when you take a snapshot) wait that all fd opened in w mode are closed
[23:08:42] <asyd> S/n m/n data m/
[23:08:53] <tomww> pfn: #define cache :-)  zfs caches, and it the app requests, it writes this state to the disk
[23:08:58] <pfn> asyd why should data be consistent
[23:09:09] <pfn> asyd the fs needs to be consistent, not app state
[23:09:12] <asyd> because you use a filesystem to store data ?  :)
[23:09:22] <pfn> the app should be able to recover itself
[23:09:33] <pfn> it's why rdbms have had transactional logs for the past decade or two
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[23:09:54] <pfn> it isn't zfs' duty to handle application state
[23:10:02] <pfn> and it isn't "data corruption"
[23:10:12] <pfn> a snapshot is as it says, it's a view of what the data looked like at the given point in time
[23:10:39] <pfn> it makes sense if the data is not in a valid state for a fresh run of an application (e.g. snapshot says data was processed, app expects data is in "new" state or something)
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[23:11:19] <sommerfeld> Murmuria: email response is on its way
[23:11:44] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: thanks a lot!
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[23:17:49] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: I could not give code extracts because I still have ethernet problem in my Solaris, and am having to reboot into Linux to chat here...
[23:18:19] <Murmuria> I'll get back to you after further code probing tomorrow ...
[23:19:32] <sommerfeld> ok.
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[23:25:35] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: I have sent one more mail
[23:25:47] <Murmuria> sommerfeld: I hope the question is genuine
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[23:31:18] <pfn> what's up with the questions in email?  heh
[23:32:52] <Murmuria> its about my GSoC project, not relevent to this chennel
[23:33:14] <Murmuria> s/chennel/channel
[23:37:00] <pfn> indeed
[23:37:04] <pfn> is sommerfeld your mentor?
[23:37:57] <sommerfeld> i am
[23:38:03] <pfn> indeed, fun
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[23:40:36] <pfn> gsoc is probably a great way for students to get some decent experience to get their foot in the door prior to graduation
[23:42:10] <Murmuria> pfn: indeed, although gsoc is open to Ph.D students also...
[23:42:57] <Murmuria> it makes the going all the more tougher for us undergrads
[23:43:43] <pfn> heh, bummer
[23:44:29] <Murmuria> why bummer?
[23:44:43] <Murmuria> I am applauding myself for getting selected...
[23:44:44] <pfn> the fact that you get competition from grad students
[23:44:55] <Murmuria> oh, like that
[23:45:26] <Murmuria> the "experience" bummer
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