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[07:50:49] <dclarke> jimgris : the OGB ?
[07:50:58] <dclarke> jimgris : okay .. let me think about that
[07:50:58] <e^ipi> the governance board
[07:51:24] <dclarke> jimgris : that is via our community structure and very much a worth while venue
[07:51:28] <dclarke> okay ..
[07:52:14] <dclarke> I do follow Simon Phipps blog
[07:52:14] <elektronkind> and jim, you forgot poland
[07:52:14] <elektronkind> ;)
[07:52:14] <jimgris> elektronkind: "I" forgot  Poland? :)
[07:52:31] <elektronkind> it's 2am, I'm still in the office dealing with Oracle Calendar Beast, and I'm loopy at this point :)
[07:52:36] <jimgris> dennis: yes, we have a Charter, we wil lhave a Constitution very soon, and w'ell havea new OGB.
[07:52:57] <dclarke> jimgris : I will make reasonable attempts to stay in the process
[07:53:35] <dclarke> gotta run .. I have a snv_55b install running as well as a new Oracle server and a stack of pending requests
[07:53:53] <g4lt-U60> yeah, don't want that getting away ;P
[07:54:18] * dclarke looks at the thing running ..
[07:54:34] <dclarke> jimgris : please do drop in here more often
[07:54:46] <dclarke> jimgris : people miss big daddy Jim G
[07:54:53] <elektronkind> damn, tech days was in atlanta last week :/
[07:54:57] <elektronkind> wish I knew about it
[07:54:58] <dclarke> jimgris : the father of OpenSolaris
[07:55:05] <bank__> please back to bangkok
[07:55:07] <Tpenta> +1
[07:56:18] <Vratha> hi
[07:56:27] <jimgris> dennis: that's very kind. thank you :)
[07:56:32] <jimgris> but I'm not that old!
[07:56:32] <Vratha> new mini-itx server in :)
[07:56:39] <Vratha> but i need a freakin' SATA cable :(
[07:56:42] <e^ipi> mini-itx.... server
[07:56:45] <e^ipi> with sata?
[07:56:48] <Vratha> yup
[07:57:07] <jimgris> dennis: how's winter over there? here in japan it's been mild
[07:57:16] <dclarke> freezing cold
[07:57:33] <dclarke> I was just outside getting milk ( you know the value of milk )
[07:57:39] <jimgris> elektronkind: yes. publicity on Tech Days sucks. We really need much more on that
[07:57:41] <Vratha> mmmm, milk
[07:57:46] <dclarke> its -13C out there and colling down
[07:57:56] <dclarke> will drop to -18C tonight
[07:58:09] <dclarke> last week .. geez .. it bottomed out at -24 C
[07:58:16] <dclarke> makes server cooling easy
[07:58:24] <elektronkind> damn.. did it rain liquid nitrogen or something?
[07:59:07] <elektronkind> only -4 here. heat wave for you guys.
[07:59:16] <dclarke> ooh .. I dream of -4 C
[07:59:27] <dclarke> heck .. I walk outside in bare feeet at -4
[07:59:57] <elektronkind> well then it sounds like a vacation to "tropical" Baltimore, MD is what you need
[08:00:16] <elektronkind> come smell our stinky harbor and hang out in the heroin capital of the US
[08:00:23] <SunTzuTech> i knew you only needed a t-shirt to go out in -13
[08:00:23] <Vratha> wtf.. __MACOSX/Lemonade Stand Source/._Lemonade.rbp: AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file
[08:00:29] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/cold_feet.jpg
[08:00:30] <Vratha> how the hell do i unencode that
[08:00:49] <elektronkind> Vratha: that's HFS resource fork
[08:00:56] <Vratha> hmm
[08:01:05] <Vratha> well i need the lemonade stand source!
[08:01:14] <e^ipi> Vratha: if you're working on an HFS+ driver, let me know
[08:01:19] <Vratha> i'm not
[08:01:20] <e^ipi> before i start doing the same thing
[08:01:31] <e^ipi> okay, then i'll continue reading apple's docs
[08:01:32] <Vratha> besides, i thought i was in #macosx
[08:01:34] <elektronkind> dclarke: you're nuts
[08:01:39] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/early_snow_640x480.jpg
[08:02:23] <dclarke> took that at 5 AM or so
[08:02:30] <jimgris> dennis: i'm using the feet in my slides. Golden!
[08:02:49] <elektronkind> "cool" threads
[08:03:03] <dclarke> ha ha !
[08:03:10] <jimgris> dennis: no now here in Tokyo
[08:03:21] <elektronkind> ok, it'll be at least 4am before head meets pillow. g'night.
[08:03:29] <jimgris> dennis: but a lot out in Kijima (ski country)
[08:03:31] <dclarke> well .. really .. once winterization kicks in I can step outside and walk around for a bit .. no prob
[08:03:35] <Vratha> g'night elektronkind
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[08:07:59] <jimgris> damn proxy. ok. gotta go. have a nice nite, guys :)
[08:08:36] <e^ipi> night jim
[08:08:37] <dlg> n8
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[08:40:07] <bank__> can I ask a solaris x86 for production  use?
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[08:48:16] <Vratha> uh, can't he download solaris 10 from sun for free?
[08:49:40] <e^ipi> yeah, it's free for everything
[08:49:49] <Vratha> nice
[08:50:02] <Vratha> other than selling hardware, how does sun plan to make cash?
[08:50:17] <Tpenta> you missed support
[08:50:18] <e^ipi> support
[08:50:20] <Vratha> oh yeah
[08:50:22] <Vratha> good one
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[09:05:59] <SymmWork> hrm, can anyone tell me what would be causing my kernel to be eating 50% of my cpu
[09:06:47] <trygvis> how did you measure that?
[09:07:04] <SymmWork> top
[09:07:14] <SymmWork> telling me that its used 11.5% user and between 50 and 70% by kernel
[09:07:36] <andersmo> SymmWork: work performed by the kernel on behalf of a userspace process is still counted as kernel time. =)
[09:07:54] <SymmWork> and Imtrying to figure out how to figure out what exactly is using that because last night I had serious load spikes where the box actually became unuseable for an hour or 2 at a time
[09:07:55] <SymmWork> twice
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[09:08:16] <andersmo> This sounds like an excellent opportunity to play with dtrace. =)
[09:08:19] <SymmWork> and load average went up into the 200+ range when it actually let me in, so Im trying to figure out what exactly is breaking :p
[09:08:19] <dwc-> you could try looking at vmstat 1 and seeing if the cs or pi/po numbers are high
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[09:08:35] <dwc-> load average, look at your ps list and see what there's lots of
[09:09:50] <SymmWork> pi ranging between 40 and 90, po is showing 0
[09:09:58] <SymmWork> actually pi hitting uip to 300+
[09:10:16] <dwc-> that's pages of memory swapped in/out
[09:10:59] <SymmWork> hrm, Im wondering if its not got anything to do with the heavy disk usage on the san's at the moment
[09:11:23] <SymmWork> Im thinking that potentially one of the iSCSI boxes might be screwing around and the box is having trouble maintaining its connection to it properly
[09:11:40] <dwc-> 300 in only doesn't sound like it's thrashing
[09:11:50] <dwc-> 200 processes waiting on i/o would cause that load
[09:12:15] <SymmWork> it could also have been syn floods against the http port I suppose
[09:12:29] <SymmWork> normally box runs at load average of < 1 doing 80 hits a second on http
[09:12:52] <SymmWork> but a serious hit on port 80 coulda freaked it out I suppose
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[09:44:44] <sartek> http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/180/wanted1280x800cp9.jpg :)
[09:45:57] <Doc> i believe there's a guy called Mccarthy or something that can help out there
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[09:47:55] <bank__> hi
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[09:53:24] <jteo> hello.
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[10:05:23] <jteo> e^ipi: yes it takes months. if people don't ignore you that is.
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[10:18:02] <CIA-22> pk193450: 6476400 kerberized r-commands are not compatible with earlier versions for large buffers
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[10:20:05] <jteo> somehow i feel that using jive statistics on osol.org as a gauge of "community" is misguided at best. -sigh-
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[10:55:38] <Gr|ffous> is there a list of changes for each sxcr release somewhere, or is it just the opensolaris changelog (or are they essentially the same)?
[11:01:54] <Vratha> so is sun going to support the hybrid hard drives?
[11:02:09] <tsoome_> ?
[11:02:19] <Vratha> hard drives with USB flash drives in them
[11:02:26] <Vratha> or some sort of solid storage
[11:02:35] <tsoome_> why should be there some specific support?
[11:02:48] <Vratha> increases battery life by not making the drive spin so much.. just another layer in the memory hierarchy
[11:02:50] <tsoome_> or what are you meaning by support at all
[11:02:57] <Vratha> as in drivers
[11:03:25] <tsoome_> arent thhis kind of hdd's transparent?
[11:03:40] <Vratha> the OS can help them
[11:03:56] <Vratha> so that better allocation is done so the drive doesn't have to write as much
[11:04:11] <Vratha> vista supposedly takes advantage of them somehow
[11:05:03] <Gr|ffous> I don't know that they are on the market yet. I certainally haven't heard of them
[11:05:19] <Vratha> seagate announced some back in june
[11:05:24] <Vratha> i'll see if their site has any
[11:05:34] <Gr|ffous> I know pista is meant to support swapping to usb memory sticks... which is somehow meant to make your PC faster. God knows how that one works
[11:06:13] <Vratha> nope; i don't see them on the market yet i guess
[11:06:14] * tsoome_ kicked vista far-far away....
[11:06:30] <Vratha> yeah, i don't like the idea of vista either, but the hybrid hard drives are nice
[11:06:33] <tsoome_> worlds most pointless OS (besides linux)
[11:06:49] <Vratha> i only know about them b/c to be a fully supported vista system, you have to ship with hdds... though that may only be for notebook computers
[11:07:07] <Vratha> linux is nice for data crunching
[11:07:44] <tsoome_> only because they say so
[11:07:51] <Vratha> no, really
[11:08:09] <Vratha> i can't compare it to solaris though as i've not done any crunching on solaris
[11:08:12] <Vratha> (yet)
[11:08:23] <Vratha> i'm sure i'll get a chance when i actually get solaris installed and running
[11:08:23] <tsoome_> so you can't really tell
[11:08:31] <Vratha> no, i can tell that linux is good
[11:08:38] <Vratha> i just can't compare it to solaris
[11:08:58] <tsoome_> it's only good as there are some sw packages to do this
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[11:09:20] <Vratha> uh, ok
[11:09:25] <tsoome_> and as developers are ignorant linux fanatics
[11:09:28] <Gr|ffous> come now tsoome_, you can't really be saying that vista is better then linux
[11:09:48] <tsoome_> no I'm not saying that
[11:09:48] <Vratha> i'm pretty sure linux does a nice job with number crunching :)
[11:09:55] <Vratha> you're just angry that solaris isn't used everywhere :)
[11:10:00] <tsoome_> no
[11:10:05] <tsoome_> actually I dont care
[11:10:19] <bank__> :(
[11:10:20] <Vratha> ok
[11:10:21] <tsoome_> use linux if you must, no problem
[11:10:26] <Vratha> i shall
[11:10:31] <Gr|ffous> :)
[11:10:41] <tsoome_> what makes me angry, is that there is no choice
[11:11:04] <tsoome_> linux has become like second microsoft
[11:11:05] <Vratha> but i want to get solaris on my new mini-itx server so i can make it my file storage center and use it as a test bed for number crunching
[11:11:14] <Vratha> yeah, except linux isn't a company
[11:11:21] <tsoome_> does this matter?
[11:11:27] <Vratha> yes
[11:11:40] <tsoome_> it's not the companies who make things go bad
[11:11:55] <tsoome_> it's all about people
[11:12:08] <Vratha> well, OS X has stayed nice and is only getting better
[11:12:31] <tsoome_> yes:)
[11:12:42] <Vratha> more macs must be sold!
[11:12:53] <Vratha> more sun servers must be sold!
[11:12:59] <Vratha> actually, i think sun's marketing blows balls
[11:13:05] <Gr|ffous> there are hundreds of linux distros, and <10 solaris distros.... and you're complaining about choice?!
[11:13:40] <Vratha> does solaris have any rudimentary form of realtime scheduling?
[11:14:08] <Vratha> n/m
[11:14:11] <Vratha> google has helped me
[11:14:44] <Vratha> anyway, i'm glad that sun opened solaris... now i can hack on it and give them some patches in a few months when i've finished my existing work on minix :)
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[11:29:34] <CosmicDJ> from intrstat: uhci#0 10671  0.0; any idea why there are so many intr on uhci?
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[11:41:05] <lasseoe> I assume you're accessing some USB device
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[11:44:33] <quasi> opensolaris.org dead?
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[11:53:28] <chuck_unix> quasi: looks strangely - opensolaris.org is unaccessible, but src.opensolaris.org /bugs.opensolaris.org work fine... dlc.sun.com/osol works also...
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[12:07:46] <quasi> tomww: not the best of passwords ;)
[12:08:25] <dunc> :)
[12:09:46] <tomww> right, it has been produced by random keyboard cleaning :-)
[12:10:12] <Gr|ffous> heh
[12:16:19] <bank__> ha
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[12:33:44] <tsoome1> nice, the 118855-36 will not install.
[12:35:12] <quasi> tsoome1: how not install?
[12:35:48] <tsoome1> Patch 118855-36 failed to install due to a failure produced by pkgadd.
[12:35:56] <quasi> tsoome1: just wanting to be in single user?
[12:36:07] <tsoome1> and see log, but nothing reasonable in log...
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[12:36:44] <quasi> tsoome: using smpatch?
[12:36:53] <tsoome> manual and smpatch
[12:38:04] <quasi> smpatch analyze -C patchpro.log.level=3 -C patchpro.debug=true
[12:38:07] <tsoome> ah will boot to single user and try again...
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[12:47:33] <benignbala> hello all, Can someone suggest some good resources for advanced dtracing? Also i cant find tutorials for dtracing processes in execution? some tuts for this too.
[12:48:07] <bank__> advanced dancing?
[12:48:56] <quasi> benignbala: the dtrace part of opensolaris.org has some good references
[12:50:04] <nadir> 8
[12:50:07] <nadir> whoops
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[12:50:39] <PerterB> what exactly is "serendipitous discovery" in the context of the /usr/gnu mailthread that won't die? (I could probably find out myself if opensolaris.org weren't borked ;)
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[12:53:11] <PerterB> ah never mind, got it I think
[12:54:59] <benignbala> quasi: I understand. But i stil don understand the dtracing of processes.
[12:55:20] <chuck_unix> Somebody knows, when 7.2 Xorg will be released as part of SXCR, and when xsrc will be updated to 7.2 on dlc?
[12:55:26] <benignbala> quasi: any tutorials there for that? None of those that i found deal with this in detail?
[12:58:21] <quasi> benignbala: static probes or general process tracing?
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[13:00:21] <benignbala> quasi: general process tracing
[13:01:24] <quasi> benignbala: then there's plenty linked from the opensolaris community page and the dtrace toolkit has some examples as well
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[13:03:45] <benignbala> quasi: ko. i will try. thanks.
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[14:00:44] <CIA-22> gc161489: 6498959 print usb device info for developers and users
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[14:08:13] <ofu_> can ifp/Qlogic 2100-cards be used in fabric-mode?
[14:09:45] <tomww> hi laca. i have SFEavachi as a fist shot available. who knows about the connections to the d-bus stuff, how this is done the right way?
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[14:12:13] <laca> tomww: desktop-discuss is a good place to ask
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[14:13:09] <bank__> anyone install orcl10g on solx86?
[14:14:42] <LeftWing> I'm sure some people have.  How'd PHP end up going for you?
[14:16:37] <bank__> Great!
[14:16:45] <bank__> with Jmcp configuration parameter
[14:16:50] <bank__> we need to use system lib
[14:16:57] <bank__> not external zlib
[14:17:07] <bank__> everything fine for PHP now.
[14:17:14] <LeftWing> Good stuff.
[14:17:49] <bank__> LeftWing ever install ORCL10g on SOLx86?
[14:17:59] <LeftWing> Can't say that I have.  Are you sure Oracle is really what you're after?
[14:18:21] <bank__> what do you mean?
[14:18:26] <bank__> I am not sure I understand ..
[14:18:40] <LeftWing> Well, Oracle is a fairly hefty database.
[14:19:03] <bank__> heavy?
[14:19:13] <LeftWing> Yes.
[14:19:14] <bank__> I see.
[14:19:20] <LeftWing> Uses a lot of RAM and so on.
[14:19:31] <bank__> orcl is everywhere.
[14:19:36] <bank__> not msft sql server
[14:19:41] <LeftWing> If you don't actually need the features something like PostgreSQL is probably a better fit -- and I believe it's bundled with Solaris Express these days.
[14:20:00] <trygvis> it's in 6/06 too
[14:20:03] <LeftWing> (Need the features of Oracle, that is)
[14:20:15] <bank__> yes , ... but .. I think I really need orcl.
[14:20:16] <LeftWing> trygvis: Yeah, I know that -- I'm just not sure first-hand with Express. =)
[14:20:24] <LeftWing> bank__: Why?
[14:20:33] <bank__> to be specialize in data warehousing area.
[14:20:51] <bank__> have to look around orcl , sas
[14:20:56] <LeftWing> Are you doing some Oracle-based data warehousing training?
[14:21:17] <bank__> no. but msft sql server 2005
[14:21:32] <tsoome> btw, there is a DW solution provider using rackload of thumpers and postgres:P
[14:21:55] <tsoome> but I can't remember name, though:(
[14:22:24] <bank__> bizgres?
[14:22:27] <bank__> (googling)
[14:22:32] <tsoome> whatever it was:)
[14:22:34] <LeftWing> That'd have to be a fairly cheap way to achieve that result -- no Oracle licensing, and for what they are Thumpers are (I would imagine) fairly well priced...
[14:23:11] <tsoome> idea is to have sort of a raid'ed servers, if one will die, you swap it and service will go on.....
[14:23:24] <LeftWing> RAIS-5? =P
[14:23:52] <tsoome> so they are using replicated data and on the fly data regeneration etc...
[14:23:59] <LeftWing> aye
[14:24:48] <tsoome> and they are targeting teradata (of course:P)
[14:25:07] <LeftWing> heh
[14:25:52] <tsoome> so, DW does not *require* oracle,
[14:26:08] <tsoome> still it may be handy;)
[14:26:23] <LeftWing> It would still be rather task-dependent I'd imagine.
[14:26:25] <bank__> I am confuse
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[14:27:03] <tsoome> sure
[14:27:29] <tsoome> and some brains are needed if you are going to build one by yourself
[14:27:33] <tsoome> :D
[14:27:47] <LeftWing> And some sleep.
[14:27:50] <LeftWing> Night folks. =)
[14:27:56] <bank__> hey.
[14:28:07] <bank__> are you blame me.
[14:28:12] <tsoome> no
[14:28:17] <tsoome> definitely not
[14:29:57] <bank__> I may need to take more english courses.
[14:31:44] <bank__> LeftWing.
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[14:38:00] <bank__> I got Inconsistent password files and pwconv return nothing.
[14:38:48] <lasseoe> so fix it
[14:41:03] <onlinebacon> does anyone know how to upgrade opensolaris from build to build?
[14:41:10] <onlinebacon> is it done by net, or by dvd?
[14:41:25] <bank__> net
[14:41:35] <onlinebacon> great
[14:41:37] <onlinebacon> thanks
[14:42:13] <lasseoe> eh?
[14:42:16] <lasseoe> no it isn't
[14:42:29] <bank__> why? ..
[14:42:34] <lasseoe> by DVD or local jumpstart
[14:42:45] <lasseoe> like any other Solaris install
[14:42:54] <onlinebacon> ah cool
[14:43:06] <bank__> I remember someone here taught to create new slices and we can update.
[14:43:09] <lasseoe> you canalso Live Upgrade of course
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[14:43:54] <zaurus> I am trying to hack the zoneadm code; I see that zoneadm calls "lucreate"
[14:43:55] <zaurus> I am trying to hack the zoneadm code
[14:44:02] <zaurus> but
[14:44:10] <bank__> yes that is "luupgrade"
[14:44:17] <zaurus> I don't find the sources for this lucerate
[14:44:24] <zaurus> lucreate I mean
[14:44:39] <lasseoe> maybe they haven't been made available *shrugs*
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[14:45:01] <zaurus> /usr/lib/lu/lucreatezone is a link to /etc/lib/lu/ludo
[14:45:16] <zaurus> but where is the source for this "ludo"??
[14:45:17] <lasseoe> and there's no sourcefor ludo ?
[14:45:25] <zaurus> it is 32 bit exwecutable
[14:45:32] <zaurus> lasseoe: no
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[14:46:22] <zaurus> under opensolaris.org source browser I looked for a file "ludo" and NOTHING
[14:50:18] <lasseoe> Dunno..
[14:51:34] <bank__> If I would like to have more space in /tmp . so I need to Adding File System swap ?
[14:51:52] <bank__> like #mkfile 250m /opt/myswapfile    #swap -a /opt/myswapfile  ?
[14:52:35] <_syphilis_> bank: that is one way; or, you can make tmp not a tmpfs filesystem (which will probably make things slow); or you can not use /tmp for things that use a lot of space
[14:52:47] <_syphilis_> (try setting TMPDIR or TEMPDIR)
[14:53:16] <logic_> hi, i am trying to reconstuct the parts, to create a opensolaris dvd, on the site it says cat file1 file2 file3 file4 file5 > file.iso but since version 55 i keep getting a "cat: write error: File too large" , the generated file is around the 2 gigs, are there more people who are having this problem?
[14:53:59] <tomww> bank_: if /tmp ist not limited in size by the mount-options for /tmp, then adding more swap would increase your /tmp size
[14:55:03] <bank__> how can I add more swap ... like #mkfile 250m /opt/myswapfile    #swap -a /opt/myswapfile  ? or I just adjust TMPDIR to another location that have more space like zpool tank/tmp
[14:56:41] <bank__> swap                   130M    40K   130M     1%    /tmp   (ORACLE REQUIREMENT IS 400 MB )
[14:57:13] <_syphilis_> bank: that's a very small /tmp.. how much ram do you have?
[14:58:07] <bank__> 1024 mb
[14:58:11] <tomww> bank__: another question, how big is your slice for swap?
[14:58:52] <bank__> I can't remember ... I saw it during installation.
[14:58:53] <tomww> bank__: you could do mkfile 1000M /someplace/with/space/swapfile; swap -a /someplace/with/space/swapfile
[14:59:10] <bank__> OK. sure.
[14:59:19] <bank__> for global zone?
[14:59:28] <bank__> or the specific zone I need.
[14:59:34] <tomww> yes, global
[14:59:41] <Vanuatoo> As I found out there is not Georgian language support in OpenSolaris. I would like to contribute. Where should I start?
[14:59:51] <tomww> there is only one swap for all
[15:00:49] <lasseoe> looks like /tmp is limited to 130M
[15:01:05] <lasseoe> in which case, adding more swap is moot
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[15:06:59] <crossblaim> hi
[15:08:06] <bank__> I can't use swapfile from zfs
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[15:10:58] <logic_> i found my problem, i am using zsh as my shell, but it is the one from blastwave, they dont have largefile support compiled with it, using the zsh from /usr/bin/zsh works
[15:11:25] <lasseoe> bank: it's not supported
[15:11:48] <lasseoe> haha really?  yet another reason not to use blastwave
[15:12:17] <tomww> hmmm. zsh w/o largefiles nowadays...
[15:13:31] <bank__> I add a swapfile now.  but when I press swap -l -h . I see two item on list.
[15:13:42] <bank__> does it consider a same pool swap?
[15:13:51] <tomww> bank__: besides not the best idea to put swap an zfs, if using a block-device on zfs you can add swap on zfs...
[15:14:07] <tsoome> anyone with knowledge about 6540 array?
[15:14:33] <tomww> bank__: correct, all active swap spaces are listed.
[15:15:12] <tsoome> zfs does not support swapfiles
[15:15:25] <tsoome> only option is to create a volume
[15:15:26] <tomww> bank__: but, if space in /tmp doesn't grow, look at the mount-options for /tmp. "grep tmp /etc/mnttab" or /etc/vfstab
[15:16:52] <bank__> yes it doesn't grow.
[15:17:11] <bank__> oh I come now.
[15:17:18] <bank__> after use grep why?
[15:18:06] <bank__> no my wrong. sorry.
[15:18:10] <bank__> thank you.
[15:19:02] <bank__> I hope swap help me to get orcl run in zone tonight :P
[15:21:51] <sniffy> bank__, Just use another tempdir.
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[15:30:45] <AbeFroman> hmmm
[15:30:47] <AbeFroman> showrev is dumping core
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[15:42:23] <AbeFroman> looks like a line 118855-36 creates in /var/sadm/pkg/SUNWcsu/pkginfo is too long or something
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[15:43:57] <tsoome> you managed to install this patch? :)
[15:47:28] <jbk> morning
[15:47:30] <AbeFroman> yeah
[15:47:56] <whaq> Any fans of The Office here..?
[15:47:57] <AbeFroman> though i'm a bit disappointed it doesn't include zfs version 3
[15:51:38] <damienc> whaq: the original or the US version?
[15:52:26] <whaq> damienc: either one
[15:53:02] <damienc> I've seen all the original episodes (very funny) and a few US ones (quite good)
[15:53:18] * damienc really likes "Arrested Development"
[15:53:30] <whaq> Ooh, Arrested Development is also my favorite
[15:53:49] <PerterB> yeah... "Arrested Development" is pretty funny for an American show
[15:54:12] <whaq> Too bad it's in limbo
[15:54:54] <jteo> all i need is BSG>
[15:54:58] <whaq> The british accent is very heavy in Office (UK).. but Ricky was brilliant on that episode where he danced MC Hammer-Flashdance style
[15:54:58] <damienc> credit where it's due - the US does produce some excellent comedies e.g. Seinfeld, Family Guy, AD.
[15:55:03] <whaq> funny + pity
[15:55:14] <damienc> exactly - cringe
[15:55:15] <hile_> seinfeld was fucking STUPID
[15:55:16] <whaq> Futurama
[15:55:35] <hile_> family guy is hilarious though
[15:55:50] <damienc> hile_: strong words about Seinfeld.
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[15:56:24] * damienc is not getting into a debate as neither of us will change opinion.
[15:56:41] <AbeFroman> futurama
[15:56:53] <AbeFroman> how many other shows have made a P!=NP joke?
[15:58:02] <whaq> it's completely geeky
[15:58:05] <whaq> gotta love that
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[16:00:39] <sfw> Hi.  I'm copying files with /usr/sfw/bin/gtar.  Strangely enough, I'm actually getting errors in the transfer.  This is between two ZFS pools.  But, I get many "Skipping to next header" errors and a couple "Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers".  Now, on the other hand, not too many (it's several hundred gigabytes).  But, these gtar (receiving) errors are freshly being produced by the gtar (sending) process.  Any ideas why my own
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[16:01:09] <PerterB> gtar bug?
[16:01:10] <bank__> hello
[16:01:34] <bank__> "prctl: oracle: No controllable process found in task, project, or zone."
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[16:02:26] <PerterB> sfw: why not zfs backup piped to zfs restore? or find | cpio -p if you just need a subset
[16:02:47] <jteo> PerterB: zfs send | zfs recv (renamed recently)
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[16:04:32] <PerterB> sorry :)
[16:05:20] <sfw> PerterB: Actually, I tried that zfs combo.  BUT, due to hardware problems, that process was aborted four times, and I have over a terabyte of data.
[16:05:32] <PerterB> ah... ouch
[16:06:01] <jteo> hardware problems? Do elaborate
[16:06:02] <sfw> PerterB: It's not likely that there will be another problem.  But as you know the zfs send/receive is an atomic operation, so even after days of transfer, if it's aborted in the middle, I have to start over again.
[16:06:50] <sfw> PerterB: But, gtar should work fine.  I can't offer an explanation for why I'm getting those errors... it worries me.
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[16:08:35] <PerterB> agreed... these hardware problems aren't memory related by any chance?
[16:08:43] <sfw> So, after it's all complete (+2 days), do I do a huge md5 comparison between src and dest?  I normally notice "Skipping to next header" errors from tar when there's been noise in the archive, at the beginning, middle, or end.  So it sounds like possible data loss...
[16:09:13] <PerterB> another possibility is rsync which will let you restart, but has the disadvantage it will traverse the entire filesystem on both sides before it starts
[16:09:19] <cap_> sfw, rsync -ave ssh
[16:09:31] <cap_> sfw, very resumable =)
[16:10:03] <sfw> PerterB: Well, it's not even between hosts.  It's all on the same host (different ZFS pools).  I thought about using the native tar, but I wasn't sure if it would have limitations or bugs...
[16:10:26] <cap_> sfw, cp?
[16:11:14] <sfw> cap_: Yep, that could potentially work.  I usually prefer to use tar (well, zfs send/recv would have been a nice alternative) because I often have hard links, device files, symbolic links, that I'd prefer to keep just as is.
[16:11:57] <PerterB> rsync should handle all those things correctly
[16:12:04] <sfw> I mean, tar should work just fine.  And, probably cp won't produce errors like the above.  But, the process is already started (about 40% done) and I'm just trying to get a feel for what might cause something like that, and whether it's likely my data is corrupted.
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[16:12:39] <jteo> sfw: what kind of hardware problems?
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[16:12:59] <Stric> sfw: I believe the "skipping to next header" comes from when tar splits up itself into 2GB chunks or so..
[16:13:06] <illsci> How would I use dtrace to investigate why a process becomes defunct and then why it does not quit for around 900 seconds?
[16:13:11] <sfw> jteo: I don't understand your question.
[16:13:31] <sfw> Stric: Hmm.
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[16:13:47] <PerterB> illsci: a process is defunct from the time it exits until the time its parent issues a wait() for it (or exits), so it's the parent you want to look at
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[16:14:20] <cap_> sfw, I would never attemp a large copy or transfer with a tool that can't restart
[16:14:27] <sfw> Stric: Really?  Like, unconditionally, it prints this every 2GB?  Any ideas what I can make of the "Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers" error?
[16:14:33] <jteo> sfw: you mentioned that due to hardware probles, zfs send | zfs recv failed.
[16:14:34] <illsci> I ran truss on the process and could see what it was up to while it was running and then this script sends a kill -9 to it and the process becomes defunct and then exits around 900 seconds later
[16:14:34] <cap_> sfw, I'd use rsync
[16:14:45] <illsci> as soon as it becomes defunct the truss stops
[16:14:45] <sfw> jteo: Oh yes..:
[16:14:52] <illsci> and the pid is still around the but its defunct
[16:14:59] <sfw> jteo: Yeah, I had hard drive failures, where I needed to restart the computer.
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[16:15:08] <sfw> jteo: Those should hopefully have been fixed now. :)
[16:15:11] <illsci> I'm not sure what it's parent is ill have to check it out
[16:15:19] <jteo> sfw: ah.
[16:15:36] <PerterB> ps will tell you :)
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[16:16:40] <illsci> ok :)  I know its parent
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[16:17:26] <sfw> cap_: Hmm.  So, for peace of mind, when the tar processes do complete, I could use 'rsync' as a quick and easy way to compare if the files were transferred properly?
[16:17:48] <illsci> or md5sum
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[16:18:06] <sfw> diff -r hasn't always worked that well for me. "dev/zero" is a character special file whereas "dev2/zero" is a character special file. :)
[16:18:30] <illsci> just do a md5sum before and after you transfer the file and if they match they are the same
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[16:19:00] <sfw> illsci: Yeah, but then so would diff -r work.  But, it's sounding like rsync, if it deals with links and special files properly, might be an easier way to do it.
[16:19:09] <cap_> sfw, yes
[16:19:10] <Stric> rsync -c  does a checksum on both sides to verify contents
[16:19:53] <sfw> Stric: So, rsync will deal properly with multiple hard links?  And symbolic links to directories (possibly cyclic structure)?  And block/character files?
[16:20:43] <cap_> yes
[16:20:54] <Stric> rsync -navxHSc   will do a dry run with check of permissions, content etc, not cross filesystems, don't follow symlinks, check hardlinks, check special files (like your dev/zero)
[16:21:34] <bank__> I got host key verification failed . by "ssh -y -c oracle@ip"
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[16:23:35] <sfw> Stric: That's cool.  Well, I'm sure that 99% of the data got through well, or will get through well with tar.  So, the thing I'd just need to check is that stray file that didn't get through.  Or, maybe there are RAM CRC errors that may cause active data corruption.  The command you entered sounds like the right one.  Hmm.  It says that -H option may be slow.  I guess that's fine.  It would probably use memory proportional to the number o
[16:24:32] <bank__> got it!
[16:24:35] <Stric> c is also quite slow since it reads all data on both sides
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[16:26:44] <sfw> Would the native Solaris tar worked quite well on its own?  I know that it has some incompatability problems with GNU tar or may have its own limitations...
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[16:27:34] <axisys> how to, in sol 10, force the ping to obey hosts file over dns ? on sol 9 it does follow nsswitch.conf .. but sol 10 seems does not
[16:28:04] <PerterB> I reckon it does follow nsswitch.conf on sol10
[16:28:56] <PerterB> but be aware of bogus entries in /etc/inet/ipnodes or nscd caching stuff
[16:29:19] <cap_> sfw, really, give up the tar approach will you ;-)
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[16:30:45] <sfw> cap_: I will once this one finishes.  :)  Well, I really liked the zfs send/receive idea, though it never finished.  The real advantage I was hoping for zfs send/receive is that I didn't want ZFS to decompress and recompress all data since that would be slower. But, due to the speed I observed, I'm guessing that it did do decompression/recompression, which is not optimal.  On src and dest pools, I have compression on.
[16:31:11] <jteo> sfw: file a RFE.
[16:33:49] <lloy0076> I keep a huge amount of cruft in my home directory. A cleanup has just turned up more than 20Gb of space...
[16:33:55] <axisys> PerterB: exact same nsswitch.conf on sol 9 behaves perfect .. on sol 10 does not.. nscd is not running .. i just addd that entry on ipnodes.. and it worked
[16:34:03] <bank__> hi lloy :D
[16:34:07] <hile_> bah, sunsolve hates me right now.
[16:34:16] <lloy0076> G'day bank__.
[16:34:18] <hile_> what is the bugid for exposing the krb5 headers?
[16:35:59] <sfw> Later... thanks for your help.
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[16:40:02] <bank__> I wish there are no error dialog appear.
[16:42:32] <illsci> PeterB: You said that the only reason a defunct process becomes defunct is because its parent has not issued a wait() for that pid or that the parent has not exited....   well this parent process is run out of initab and does not exit..  it just sends signals to its children...  when it signals this particular child process to exit it doesn't exit immediately and then it waits for awhile and then trys to kill -9 the process at which time it becomes d
[16:43:04] <PerterB> that was cut off after "which time it becomes d"
[16:43:53] <illsci> efunct but still hangs around...
[16:44:14] <PerterB> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
[16:44:15] <illsci> so until this process id exits another event can not happen
[16:44:44] <illsci> i want to see what its doing and find a way to make it exit more quickly if possible
[16:44:56] <PerterB> if it shows up as defunct then the child has already exitted
[16:44:57] <illsci> this is only happening on my solaris boxes... my aix boxes work as they used to
[16:45:14] <illsci> yeah it does but the defunct pid is still there
[16:45:25] <illsci> does that make sense?
[16:46:00] <quasi> try preap
[16:46:30] <PerterB> yes, but read that wikipedia page for an overview of what's happening (it's not solaris specific, so ignore the stuff about Z in the STAT column (that's the Linux equivalent of displaying <defunct>)
[16:46:40] <PerterB> preap seems a bit overkill :)
[16:46:51] <bank__> hello
[16:46:54] <bank__> uname -a
[16:46:55] <bank__> SunOS test-zone 5.11 snv_55b i86pc i386 i86pc
[16:47:00] <dclarke> uh huh
[16:47:02] <quasi> PerterB: why? that's what it is there for
[16:47:12] <bank__> this is a non-globalzone .. is this 64 bit?
[16:47:17] <dclarke> bank__ : and prctl ?
[16:47:37] <dclarke> bank__ : type isainfo -v
[16:47:37] <bank__> I seach through oracle webboard, They tell the problem because install on non-64 OS
[16:47:55] <bank__> yes I see 64 bit amd
[16:48:06] <dclarke> bank__ : its 64-bit then
[16:48:07] <bank__> may be talke to private
[16:48:36] <PerterB> quasi: doesn't preap force the parent to discard the exit status? in this case if the parent is something running from inittab and spawning children, then it is probably coded to care about exit status
[16:48:52] <PerterB> sending an extra SIGCHLD to the parent might wake it up sooner though
[16:51:39] <PerterB> and if the SIGCHLD thing fixes the problem it suggests a bug or race condition in the parent#
[16:51:54] <illsci> ok
[16:51:58] <illsci> im glad i read this
[16:52:05] <illsci> thanks :)
[16:53:01] <illsci> one other question....  the process doesnt become defunct initially... it just does not exit after its supposedly sent an exit signal from its parent
[16:53:14] <illsci> its like its doing some process accounting or something
[16:53:32] <illsci> following a long ammount of time its coded to just kill -9 it
[16:53:37] <illsci> then it becomes defunct
[16:54:01] <PerterB> dunno... truss might be able to help you there
[16:54:03] <illsci> I guess what I need to do is to turn that off and try and see what its doing prior to the kill -9 or where that would have happened
[16:54:12] <PerterB> or apptrace
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[17:02:10] <bank__> Sorry, I need "patch 119961-01" to fix oracle10gr2 installation problem. but someone said that is not available for opensolaris
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[17:02:43] <_syphilis_> there are no patches for opensolaris.. usually something fixed by a patch for solaris 10 will have been previously fixed by a nevada putback
[17:02:54] <_syphilis_> the patch readme should include the bugids it fixed, which might help you find it
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[17:05:54] <richlowe> that's an assembler patch, apparently.
[17:07:19] <bank__> How can I get that?
[17:07:23] <bank__> sunsolve?
[17:07:28] <_syphilis_> get what?
[17:07:40] <bank__> 119961-01 SunOS 5.10_x86, x64: Patch for assembler
[17:08:13] <_syphilis_> you don't want the patch, it won't work on non-solaris10 systems
[17:08:22] <_syphilis_> the readme is available from sunsolve, just type the number in the search box on the patch page
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[17:11:21] <bank> so. can we fix the problem without this patch?
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[17:20:54] <dclarke> it was released Date: Sep/29/2005
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[17:21:06] <dclarke> thats a while back .. I'd think it was integrated into snv_55b
[17:21:13] <dclarke> maybe its not
[17:21:28] <bank> I think we install wrong version
[17:21:33] <bank> it is not for x64
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[17:23:55] <gdamore> good morning *
[17:24:08] <jbk> morning
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[17:28:43] <sickness> I'm back.
[17:29:53] <bank> good morning.
[17:39:24] <axisys> how do i install a system using a flash archive image that I have with me? tape/nfs/http wont work.. installing using cdrom.. can i take the boot cdrom out and put a cdrom that has the flash archive and choose local device for flasharchive?
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[17:41:16] <b3stbuddy> Hi all
[17:41:41] <b3stbuddy> If anyone could tell me the pros and cons regarding opensolaris vs solaris 10 that would be great
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[17:44:41] <Auralis> pro, more bleeding edge, gets all the newest toys first
[17:44:53] <Auralis> cons, more bleeding edge, gets all the newest toys first
[17:45:22] <gdamore> opensolaris = newer, development stuff, but less stable, and no "official" support from Sun (i.e. you can't get a support contract for opensolaris)
[17:46:05] <gdamore> what kind of hardware are you considering running on?  some hardware will only have good support from opensolaris (e.g. certain laptops, etc.)
[17:48:35] <bank> Solaris Express 12/06 = bXX ?
[17:49:10] <bank> and we can access patch update from that?
[17:49:31] <lasseoe> you cannot patch Solaris Express
[17:49:42] <lasseoe> as there are not patches.
[17:49:45] <lasseoe> not=no
[17:49:45] <_syphilis_> you could apply patches to SX if they existed, but they don't
[17:49:50] <_syphilis_> the patch you have is a Solaris 10 patch
[17:49:53] <b3stbuddy> ic, thanks!
[17:49:54] <_syphilis_> it won't install on any other solaris release
[17:50:40] <b3stbuddy> dell poweredge 1850
[17:50:47] <bank> so only traditional solaris 10 have patch
[17:50:58] <bank> and best for production?
[17:51:39] <b3stbuddy> i basically just want to be sure I can install gcc with issue on Solaris 10
[17:52:17] <b3stbuddy> most the software I use, I compile so I don't want to be tied down to a package manager
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[17:52:28] <lasseoe> bank: yes, don't use Solaris Express in production
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[17:52:34] <lasseoe> unless you have a really good reason
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[17:52:38] <_syphilis_> solaris already includes gcc.  if you want a later version (4.1), there are no problems with compiling it
[17:52:39] <alanc> b3stbuddy: gcc comes included in Solaris 10
[17:52:44] <bank> oh I done all wrong things.
[17:52:55] <b3stbuddy> thats good then, wont have to worry about that
[17:52:56] <bank> I Intend to use opensol for production
[17:52:59] * _syphilis_ wonders if there's a gcc update planned for nevada
[17:53:02] <bank> because it always new
[17:53:15] <richlowe> _syphilis_: I thought I saw a project proposal for one.
[17:53:20] <richlowe> didn't pay much attention though.
[17:53:29] <_syphilis_> bank: the reason it's always new is that it includes the latest stuff which has not had as much testing
[17:53:37] <b3stbuddy> is solaris 10 use restricted based on the environment or is it completely free
[17:53:42] <_syphilis_> best: it is free for any use
[17:53:51] <b3stbuddy> good, thanks!
[17:53:54] <_syphilis_> richlowe: a project is needed just to upgrade gcc?
[17:54:16] <richlowe> I think they have larger plans.
[17:54:19] <richlowe> lemme try and find the mail.
[17:54:43] <richlowe> ... making me read -discuss should be a crime ;)
[17:54:49] <lasseoe> hehe
[17:54:54] <bank> Does solaris 10 have zone ,zfs and brandz? I think... they have isn't it? except brandz
[17:55:01] <bank> and doesn't include postgre
[17:55:02] <lasseoe> yes but no branz
[17:55:07] <lasseoe> brandz
[17:55:15] <bank> no postgre also
[17:55:16] <lasseoe> Solaris 10 has postgresql
[17:55:21] <lasseoe> pretty sure it does
[17:55:25] <_syphilis_> postgres is new in U3
[17:55:32] <richlowe> _syphilis_: newer gcc (4 and/or GCCfss), and support for same in ON.
[17:56:23] <bank> Oh ok. Solaris 10 U3 is still ordinary Solaris 10
[17:56:24] <jteo> this invention called the internet is pretty amazing. plus the fact you can search it.
[17:56:25] <alanc> Solaris 10 6/06 and later have postgresql I think
[17:56:37] <bank> but month/year = express
[17:56:45] <lasseoe> no
[17:56:48] <_syphilis_> bank: no, U3 is solaris 10 6/06
[17:56:58] <lasseoe> Solaris Expess = Solaris 11 DEVELOPMENT/BETA
[17:57:03] <bank> oh. so it is not good for production
[17:57:04] <bank> OK.
[17:57:09] <_syphilis_> bank: ???
[17:57:22] <_syphilis_> U3 is solaris 10, it's the product release
[17:57:25] <bank> Solaris express and Opensolaris is not good for production use right?
[17:57:30] <_syphilis_> yes
[17:57:43] <bank> What do you mean " U3 is solaris 10, it's the product release"
[17:57:52] <bank> U3 is solaris 10 6/06 <<
[17:57:55] <_syphilis_> U3 is the current update release of solaris 10
[17:57:59] <bank> so it is = solaris express ?
[17:58:08] <_syphilis_> no, it's solaris 10, not solaris express
[17:58:13] <_syphilis_> just because it has a release date doesn't mean it's SX
[17:58:14] <bank> OH  ok.....
[17:58:35] <bank> solaris 10 6/06 not equal  solaris 10 express 6/06
[17:58:43] <_syphilis_> there is no "solaris 10 express"
[17:58:48] <b3stbuddy> what about zfs, Suns site says its part of Solaris 10, however some docs say UFS is default
[17:58:51] <_syphilis_> there is "solaris 10" and "solaris express"
[17:59:00] <bank> lol
[17:59:01] <_syphilis_> best: ZFS is part of solaris 10, and UFS is the default
[17:59:26] <bank> _syphilis How about "My Downlods and below is Solaris 10 11/06"
[17:59:27] <b3stbuddy> do you have to specify a flag in the beginning of the install to get zfs?
[17:59:34] <_syphilis_> bank: i don't understand what that means
[17:59:37] <b3stbuddy> like "solaris zfs"?
[17:59:38] <PerterB> http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/ explains the differences quite well
[17:59:39] <_syphilis_> best: no, ZFS is always included
[18:00:08] <b3stbuddy> _syph: oh, ok...
[18:00:13] <bank> I see, I see the difference at download page
[18:01:16] <bank> So "Solaris 10 11/06" is newest and stable for production use.
[18:01:19] <_syphilis_> bank: solaris 10 11/06 (solaris 10 update 3) is nothing to do with solaris express.  it's the third update (maintenance) release of solaris 10, and was related in november of 2006, which is why it's called 11/06
[18:01:25] <_syphilis_> bank: correct
[18:01:39] <bank> but why it doesn't have brandz?
[18:01:46] <bank> I think brandz release since b 49
[18:01:58] <_syphilis_> because brandz is not even close to being production ready, at least last i used it
[18:02:16] <_syphilis_> and even when it is, it'll need a lot of testing before it's ready for solaris 10 (if it even goes back to an S10 update at all)
[18:02:56] <_syphilis_> nevada b49 is a nevada (solaris 11) build, nothing to do with solaris 10
[18:03:54] <bank> Will sun release Solaris 11 soon?
[18:03:55] <lasseoe> I guess if you're used to Linux, entering the realworld  can be confusing
[18:04:17] <_syphilis_> bank: solaris 11 may be released this year, or maybe next year
[18:04:26] <_syphilis_> or maybe the year after that, who knows
[18:04:32] <_syphilis_> (probably not though)
[18:04:40] <lasseoe> October 2007 or later
[18:04:45] <andersmo> "When it's done" - like Duke Nukem Forever. *ducks* =)
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[18:05:11] <bank> so it will be best OS on the planet.
[18:05:13] <bank> thank you.
[18:05:22] <Auralis> it already is
[18:05:24] <lasseoe> no, it already is.
[18:05:27] <_syphilis_> only if you believe sun marketing
[18:05:28] <lasseoe> heh
[18:05:29] <bank> lol
[18:05:32] <_syphilis_> the best OS is the one that does what you want it to do best
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[18:06:32] <bank> Not best with orcl10g for me right now :P
[18:06:50] <_syphilis_> that's probably because you're trying to run oracle on SX
[18:06:53] <lasseoe> Not having the right skills doesn't make it a bad OS
[18:07:05] <bank> I admit.
[18:07:10] <bank> totally admit
[18:07:55] <bank> I am impress when you both said" it already is"
[18:07:56] <bank> lol
[18:16:12] <bank> everyone so quiet.
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[18:24:28] <richlowe> hey Glynn.
[18:24:59] <Gman> hey richlowe, how goes?
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[19:00:18] <illsci> PerterB:  how would I see what the kernel is doing during  this time with this process?
[19:00:32] <illsci> and not just what system calls the process and parent were making
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[19:01:06] <illsci> awhile ago someone said to run this dtrace script:
[19:01:17] <illsci> timer-1234hz
[19:01:17] <illsci> {
[19:01:17] <illsci> @[stack()] = count();
[19:01:17] <illsci> }
[19:01:42] <PerterB> that'll generate a lot of output, but give you an idea of all the activity in the kernel
[19:01:45] <richlowe> if you're doing that, you may as well use lockstat
[19:02:11] <illsci> well i want to see if some process accounting is going on
[19:02:32] <illsci> this process hangs out for days and touches a lot of memory
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[19:09:42] <quasi> hmmm, http://hotjobs.taragana.com/index.php/archive/job-solaris-contractor-100hour-mountain-view-ca/ - so google needs help with solaris ;)
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[19:11:28] <e^ipi> weren't they thinking of moving to solaris a few months back?
[19:11:57] <dclarke> yes
[19:12:04] <illsci> moving what
[19:13:12] <quasi> e^ipi: more like "looking at opensolaris"
[19:13:34] <e^ipi> something like that
[19:13:50] <gdamore> heh.  if i were in the bay area i would probably snap that contract up.
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[19:14:30] <bank> hi gdamore
[19:14:36] <gdamore> hello bank.
[19:18:58] <Tramsie> google runs what at the moment?
[19:19:09] <Tramsie> and did they seriously think to switch to opensolaris?
[19:19:27] <Gman> linux, debian/ubuntu afaik
[19:19:32] <dclarke> yes .. they are looking at it
[19:19:47] <quasi> Gman: I think it is their own dist
[19:19:58] <Gman> quasi, sort of but not really
[19:20:23] <illsci> they will always be heterogeneous, os and hardware
[19:20:27] <Gman> they did a whole bunch of modifications to the desktop too, but it's mostly just to handle their internet set of tools/applications
[19:20:34] <dclarke> I will be talking with them tomorrow .. and I'll ask them questions on it
[19:20:59] <nachox> dclarke: google?
[19:21:04] <Tramsie> i heard google runs linux solaris and windows
[19:21:08] <dclarke> yes .. giggle
[19:21:22] * dclarke needs coffee
[19:21:26] <Gman> i'll be talking to chris dibona all weekend
[19:21:45] <dclarke> good .. be sure to put in a nice word for me
[19:21:50] <richlowe> Gman: any reason?
[19:21:54] <dclarke> or spit on the floor .. whtever you think is best
[19:22:06] <Gman> richlowe, attending the kiwi foocamp
[19:22:13] <richlowe> ah.
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[19:23:04] <Tramsie> chris dibona?
[19:23:05] <dclarke> Gman : seems like lately we are arguing or fighting over nothing .. why ?
[19:23:13] <Gman> :)
[19:23:42] <Tramsie> who is chris dibona?
[19:23:59] <dclarke> large Google geek
[19:24:36] <quasi> their opensource guy
[19:24:54] <Gman> open source program manager for google
[19:25:18] <dclarke> yep .. like I said ... large Google geek
[19:26:22] <Tramsie> open slowaris :)
[19:26:44] <dclarke> oh don't
[19:26:48] <dclarke> don't do that
[19:26:55] <dclarke> really ..
[19:26:57] <dclarke> I'm seriousd
[19:27:15] <Tramsie> :)
[19:27:23] <Tramsie> why does it have this reputation tho?
[19:27:43] <dclarke> Tramsie :  it does not
[19:27:54] <dclarke> Tramsie :  you are talking 1993 stuff
[19:28:01] <dclarke> Tramsie :  http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0059/index.html
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[19:28:10] <_syphilis_> "slowaris" refers to Solaris 2, compared to SunOS 4.x (Solaris 1)
[19:28:27] <dclarke> Tramsie :  a little while ago myself and a few guys kept on handing some Linux people their asses with that benchmark
[19:28:30] <_syphilis_> i.e. it's very old and nothing to do with anything today
[19:28:41] <dclarke> Tramsie :  so .. look at the table ..
[19:29:37] <illsci> Tramsie: look at benchmarks online, recent ones, you save hundreds of thousands of dollars by not using solaris
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[19:30:18] <dclarke> illsci : by "not" ?
[19:30:21] <illsci> i don't buy the pro solaris people's performance
[19:30:24] <illsci> related opinions
[19:30:32] <Tramsie> <_syphilis_> "slowaris" refers to Solaris 2, compared to SunOS 4.x (Solaris 1)
[19:30:33] <Tramsie> ?
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[19:30:38] <_syphilis_> ?
[19:30:40] <dclarke> illsci : really ?  I guess you have never seen it on an Opteron then
[19:30:50] <illsci> most people who switch from like solaris & oracle to linux & oracle
[19:30:54] <dclarke> illsci : side by side with Red Hat Enterprise Linux or SUSE
[19:31:07] <illsci> not only save hundreds of thousands of dollars
[19:31:12] <illsci> it smokes the solaris install
[19:31:14] <dclarke> illsci : you are a troll with no clue .. I ignore you ..
[19:31:21] <Tramsie> slowaris refers to which version of solaris?
[19:31:41] <_syphilis_> Tramsie: early versions of solaris 2 when it was replacing sunos 4
[19:31:55] <illsci> we use solaris
[19:32:18] <illsci> i have like a few hundred v40's with 4 dual core cpus in them and like 30 gigs of ram in each one
[19:32:31] <Tpenta> Slowaris is a term that Sun users coined when Sun released Solaris 2.0 as it *was* incredibly slower than SUnos4.x (speakin AS one of those users), zeolotryt picked up the term and ran with it because it was an easy rallying call
[19:32:50] <illsci> but its only because we have a huge in memory database and they support multi cpu boards...
[19:34:00] <Tramsie> I know why it was called slowaris
[19:34:02] <Tramsie> well sort of
[19:34:07] <Tramsie> i ran sun os in 96
[19:34:30] <Tpenta> actualaly b 96, things had considerably improved
[19:34:31] <Tramsie> Tpenta, was it affected by 96?
[19:34:32] <illsci> its just poking fun at solaris... its like nfs need for speed
[19:35:02] <Tpenta> 2.3 was really the first usable solaris 2
[19:35:11] <bank_zzz> I have no success after 32 th times refreshing zone to install oracle10g. Does Brandz will better?
[19:35:13] <_syphilis_> last benchmark i did comparing solaris and linux, solaris was faster.  (but the difference was too small to justify changing platform)
[19:36:07] <Tramsie> Tpenta: anything in 2 wasnt that good
[19:36:20] <quasi> _syphilis_: I can usually get linux to fail much faster ;)
[19:36:21] <b3stbuddy> I got a sparcstation with 2.6 for free a few months ago, really wanted to use it just for the hell of it but the nvram was no good and the 10K SCSI hurt my ears .. lol
[19:37:07] <Tramsie> anything in 2 wasnt that good... in my opinin
[19:37:45] <b3stbuddy> I think the downfall to linux is the lack of direction, they keep adding useless stuff to it.. I mean to me it was best at RH9 then thing got out of hand
[19:38:21] <b3stbuddy> Instead of innovation, all you have is abstraction over abstraction over abstraction
[19:38:23] <Tramsie> tpenta, do you share this view?
[19:38:27] <Tramsie> well at least for 2
[19:38:50] <Tpenta> do we really need OS wars in here? Linux is good for some things, Solaris is good for some things, there are areas of overlap and areas of non-overlap; life goes on.
[19:38:59] <Tpenta> Tramsie: which view?
[19:39:04] <Stric> Tpenta: well spoken :)
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[19:39:53] <Tramsie> that everything in solaris 2 in a way 'sucked'
[19:40:07] <_syphilis_> do you mean 2.0?
[19:40:16] <Tramsie> yes
[19:40:31] <Tramsie> i mean like everything in 2.*
[19:40:51] <bank_zzz> everyone
[19:40:55] <bank_zzz> last question.
[19:41:00] <jbk> 42
[19:41:15] <_syphilis_> solaris 10 is still 2.x, they just changed the marketing name
[19:41:23] <g4lt-U60> Tramsie, compare it to the state of the art then.  EVERYTHING sucked
[19:41:31] <bank_zzz> Will ir be better for install oracle If I move back to Solaris 10 not opensol.
[19:41:44] <g4lt-U60> _syphilis_, sol 10 is actually 5.10
[19:41:47] <Tramsie> I was commenting on: <Tpenta> 2.3 was really the first usable solaris 2
[19:41:57] <_syphilis_> galt: SunOS 5.10, Solaris 2
[19:41:58] <Tramsie> I meant everything in 2 wasnt good
[19:42:05] <dclarke> ummm ..I ran a cluster of servers in a government install all on Solaris 2.5.1 both Sparc and x86 and it rocked
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[19:46:06] <Tramsie> Tpenta: I'm not a linux fan either :P
[19:46:09] <Tramsie> dont take me wrong
[19:47:24] <illsci> why?
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[19:47:42] <illsci> why would you pay for solaris and run some open source app on it
[19:47:55] <illsci> if its not like just supported on solaris I don't see the point of using it
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[19:48:06] <richlowe> people pay for solaris?
[19:48:07] <_syphilis_> pay for solaris?  why would someone do that at all?
[19:48:08] <illsci> unless you have some technical reason for it you're wasting your money
[19:48:12] <richlowe> Or awe talking back in the day, here?
[19:48:15] <richlowe> s/awe/are/
[19:48:48] <pikapika> hello
[19:48:50] <dclarke> God this is painful .. its like every day I hear the same things from people .. in offices and elsewhere .. the same stuff from people .. over and over
[19:48:51] <g4lt-U60> _syphilis_, how are you getting solaris 2 from sol10?  it's the third iteration of GUI, the kernel's major is 5.  there's just no conceivable way that it can be sol2 anymore
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[19:49:03] <dclarke> yes .. the world is flat .. let's just accept that and ignor progress
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[19:50:36] <Tramsie> dclark: what is?
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[19:51:09] <sommerfeld> illsci: solaris install images are free-as-in-beer.
[19:51:16] <illsci> yeah i know they are now
[19:51:24] <richlowe> sommerfeld: if your bandwidth has no value.
[19:51:26] <illsci> they had to give it away, and hopefully soon
[19:51:27] <illsci> like irix
[19:51:34] <illsci> it will go away
[19:51:35] <illsci> :)
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[19:52:24] <illsci> im not a total hater here... opensolaris is cool and zfs is really interesting...
[19:52:32] <sommerfeld> illsci: if you hope it will go away, why are you here?
[19:52:34] <Gman> richlowe, the number of solaris cd's make tree huggers cry
[19:52:38] <Tpenta> damn, my vpn dropped out after my "hardly objective" comment
[19:52:54] <richlowe> bugger.
[19:53:02] <AbeFroman> i hope it doesn't go away
[19:53:03] <richlowe> so, who broke KCF in 55b? :)
[19:53:11] <illsci> hah!
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[19:53:18] <illsci> AbeFroman... Sausage king of Chicago
[19:53:25] <AbeFroman> party of three
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[19:54:09] <richlowe> oh, it's the bloody permissions on /var/run problem, again.
[19:54:17] <sommerfeld> illsci: solaris is a binary distribution of opensolaris.
[19:55:28] <Gman> alanc_away, hrm, i thought the xorg conf was down in sca?
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[19:56:54] <alanc> Gman: last year was SCA - this year is MPK
[19:57:07] <alanc> (about 1-2 miles up the road from Sun MPK campus)
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[19:57:23] <Gman> alanc, oh, not sun campus? pity.
[19:57:25] * alanc_away is going to work now
[19:57:59] <alanc_away> stuart found it easier to arrange for all those external people at a non-Sun site than having to go through Sun security
[19:58:27] <Gman> understandable, thanks!
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[20:00:24] <gdamore> alanc: i liked your message re the flamebait.
[20:00:33] <sommerfeld> alanc: Hmm.  I thought SCA had a bunch of outside-the-perimeter conference facilities.
[20:04:23] <Gman> "Fox News Source Code License"
[20:04:25] <Gman> hawhaw
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[20:07:59] <richlowe> Hrm.
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[20:19:06] <Gman>  /usr/gnu psarc case approved seemingly
[20:19:46] <sommerfeld> (with amendments in the room)
[20:19:56] <mrdeviant> there's going to be a /usr/gnu ?
[20:20:23] <steleman> it must be stopped. it's GPL.
[20:20:26] <Gman> sommerfeld, amendments being?
[20:22:14] <sommerfeld> Gman: most significant being to package like xpgN: nonconflicting commands land in /usr/bin, conflicting commands in /usr/gnu/bin, no symlinks
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[20:22:59] <alanc> sommerfeld: just the auditorium that I know of, and reserving that was a problem last year - we got stuck into SunEd and had to escort everyone around and sign everyone in with security when they arrived
[20:23:00] <sommerfeld> Gman: also, there's a stake in the jello that administrative commands ("ifconfig" being the example) are out of bounds for /usr/gnu
[20:23:16] <Gman> sommerfeld, nice
[20:23:31] <Tpenta> and we are talking development environments, NOT "emulatoin" environments
[20:23:43] <alanc> besides, the place he's taking us has toys so you can do stuff like laser etch a gnome logo on your laptop case if you're brave
[20:24:11] <sommerfeld> with the added hedge that the "administrative" vs "non-administrative" line is inherently fuzzy.
[20:25:00] <sommerfeld> what about laser-etching an opensolaris logo?
[20:25:42] <richlowe> we have a logo?
[20:26:10] <alanc> make chandan draw one
[20:26:23] <richlowe> time for the winged pig discussion again! :)
[20:26:26] <alanc> I think they can etch any design you have - would have to ask stuart the details
[20:27:26] <elektronkind> yawn
[20:27:31] <elektronkind> what a night last night
[20:28:00] <elektronkind> the panic strings kept me up late
[20:28:34] <sommerfeld> or, well, those things splatted all over http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/buttons/
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[20:33:40] <richlowe> sommerfeld: yeah, my thinking was that in monochrome, opensolaris^<TM> isn't exactly logo-like. :)
[20:38:07] <sommerfeld> though perhaps the etcher can use different fill patterns or something.
[20:38:16] <sommerfeld> to approximate different grey levels
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[20:41:29] <elektronkind> I, uh, didn't follow the "guidelines" on that page and altered one of the logos to fit my site
[20:42:00] <elektronkind> about 15 minutes in photoshop did it for me to reduce and get rid of  the background scribble
[20:42:41] <richlowe> you (probably) trademark violator you.
[20:43:21] <elektronkind> yeah, like, I completely did it out of totally ill will
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[20:44:10] <elektronkind> ;)
[20:44:40] <CIA-22> as145665: 6503582 *chmod* chmod corrupts stack and dumps core when confronted with long pathnames
[20:46:36] <sommerfeld> elektronkind: trademark law doesn't really cope well with loose voluntary associations of people of good will like open source projects.
[20:47:09] <bank> good night everyone ;D
[20:47:17] <elektronkind> later bank
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[20:47:59] <elektronkind> sommerfeld: articles often found on the front page of /. illustrate your point well :)
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[20:54:17] <elektronkind> geez, so many formalities to go through in getting a IDR
[20:54:25] * elektronkind revs up SUNWexplo
[20:55:06] * Gman wonders what the '- 60K Update' agenda item on the os pteam is
[20:55:36] * dclarke just read coopersmiths "Troll" message .. what a jerk
[20:55:53] <dclarke> seriously .. I have had it with him ..
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[21:01:53] <axisys> how to craft my boot request so it points to second disk on sol 8.. (this has to be sol 8 for apps)
[21:02:13] <axisys> if i try boot cdrom - install  it tries to read first disk
[21:02:41] <axisys> i want something like boot cdrom - install disk1 (pseduo syntax)
[21:03:06] <_syphilis_> axisys: try -Bbootpath=/pci...
[21:03:42] <axisys> _syphilis_: so boot cdrom - install -Bbootpath=/pci... something like this?
[21:04:00] <_syphilis_> oh, this is installing?  i don't know, it might be different there
[21:04:41] <axisys> in the mean time i will just pool the second disk out
[21:04:42] <axisys> brb
[21:04:49] <axisys> i meant first disk out
[21:05:11] <_syphilis_> what exactly are you trying to do?  what is reading the first disk?
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[21:11:27] <axisys> install flash archive image on disk1 (second disk)
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[21:12:02] * timeless is looking for information on how to specify additional system include paths for bin/cc (sun studio)
[21:12:42] <axisys> i dont know how to boot from disk0 and install flash archive on disk1
[21:13:10] <axisys> so booting from cdrom with install and point to flash archine nfs dir
[21:13:21] <axisys> but it keeps trying to read disk0.
[21:14:43] <timeless> can someone here suggest a page that explains how to use an env var to affect the sun studio include search path order?
[21:14:53] * timeless needs to add something that is searched after . and such
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[21:18:42] <CIA-22> Rick McNeal: 6519567 CLI needs better checking to see if daemon is online
[21:24:18] <jbk> ouch.. 35-car pileup on the interstate
[21:24:32] <jbk> you'd think people would remember how to drive in snow by now
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[21:27:21] <richlowe> jbk: what you need is more pessimism.
[21:27:26] <richlowe> at least that way you expect such things.
[21:27:28] <timeless> hi richlowe
[21:27:37] <richlowe> Hey timeless.
[21:27:47] <elektronkind> atlanta is supposed to get an ice storm. I'm popping some popcorn and turning on the news when that happens.
[21:27:51] <richlowe> jbk: and people *do* know how to drive in snow.
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[21:28:02] <richlowe> jbk: slowly, and sideways.  It's how everyone else does it...
[21:28:07] <timeless> looks like bin/cc doesn't appreciate const int x = ("x" ? sizeof("x") -1 : 0);
[21:30:31] <CIA-22> James D Carlson: 6519400 functions that do insert_smach() should use remove_smach() on error
[21:31:10] <richlowe> gdamore: the linker is open...
[21:31:28] <richlowe> gdamore: cmd/sgs/
[21:31:49] <sommerfeld> boston traffic was snarled by a set of five suspicious packages placed near bridge supports and the like
[21:35:25] <timeless> can someone tell me if the thing i wrote above should compile?
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[21:38:05] <pseudoXh4> Hey.
[21:38:06] <pseudoXh4> So like..
[21:38:18] <pseudoXh4> Does anyone know how to get 1280x800 on OpenSolaris' Xorg?
[21:38:21] <pseudoXh4> I'm on build 55...
[21:38:28] <pseudoXh4> Xorg 6.9.
[21:40:27] <g4lt-U60> fbconfig
[21:40:37] <richlowe> if it's Xorg, it's not sparc, so it's not fbconfig.
[21:41:01] <pseudoXh4> :(
[21:41:03] <pseudoXh4> Well.
[21:41:06] <pseudoXh4> I'm on an Intel 945GM.
[21:41:24] <pseudoXh4> If that means anything (apart from having a shitty integrated graphics card).
[21:41:48] <timeless> "wrapper.c", line 773: void function cannot return value
[21:41:51] * timeless sighs
[21:41:59] <timeless> why are compilers picky about crappy code? :)
[21:42:43] <jbk> elektronkind: i just got off the phone with a coworker in atlanta that was telling me about the ice storm :)
[21:42:45] <timeless>   return (void) sim_target_parse_command_line (i, argv);
[21:42:52] <timeless> very clever
[21:43:30] <alanc> richlowe: if it's Xorg, even when it's on sparc, it's not fbconfig - fbconfig only knows about the Xsun config files
[21:47:15] <pseudoXh4> alanc: YOU!
[21:47:20] <pseudoXh4> You posted on the mailing list! :P
[21:47:25] <pseudoXh4> So like.
[21:47:26] <pseudoXh4> Uh.
[21:47:34] <alanc> I posted on lots of mailing lists
[21:47:37] <pseudoXh4> How do I up myself to the latest Xorg that runs i810's driver with 945gm.
[21:47:42] <alanc> probably hundreds over the years
[21:47:45] <pseudoXh4> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21718&tstart=0
[21:47:48] <pseudoXh4> That thread. ;)
[21:48:11] <alanc> pseudoXh4: download all of Xorg 7.2 from freedesktop.org and build it yourself, or wait a few more weeks
[21:48:39] <pseudoXh4> Oh, so that works?
[21:48:44] <pseudoXh4> But like.
[21:48:47] <pseudoXh4> Isn't it modular and stuff now?
[21:48:54] <pseudoXh4> So like, I need 100000 files?
[21:49:02] <alanc> yes
[21:49:16] <alanc> well, like 200, but still
[21:49:31] <_syphilis_> like, so many files, dude
[21:49:57] <pseudoXh4> Yeah. :(
[21:50:04] <elektronkind> like, fer sure
[21:50:09] <pseudoXh4> I'd get the -current repository but they use some obscure thing like git and not cvs.
[21:50:12] <sommerfeld> (hmm.  the boston thing appears to be "guerilla marketing gone horribly wrong")
[21:50:13] <pseudoXh4> Or something.
[21:50:16] <pseudoXh4> :(
[21:50:20] <alanc> git
[21:50:35] <pseudoXh4> Yeah, git.
[21:50:37] <pseudoXh4> Hrm.
[21:51:03] <richlowe> sommerfeld: makes the use of "guerilla" all the more amusing though.
[21:51:12] <elektronkind> dear lord. the GPLv3/Participation threads are large enough to gain sentience
[21:51:15] * elektronkind scrolls and scrolls
[21:51:24] <alanc> current is a bit more challenging at the moment due to the integration of the input-hotplug and randr-1.2 projects, but not everything is sync'ed up with them yet
[21:51:39] <richlowe> elektronkind: large enough to, possibly.
[21:51:54] <richlowe> elektronkind: I don't think a little sentience would hurt them, either.
[21:52:37] <sommerfeld> richlowe: yah.  too much like "guerilla" for the comfort of the bomb squad.
[21:56:28] <elektronkind> heh, okay. maybe running bzip2 -9 on a 5.5GB vmcore file is taking a wee bit longer than I expected.
[21:56:43] <richlowe> elektronkind: you don't win much more than you do with gzip.
[21:56:48] <sommerfeld> heh
[21:56:59] <richlowe> Oh, yeah, they had that argument too didn't they?
[21:57:12] <sommerfeld> bzip2 -9 is definitely in the "making the rubble bounce" overkill category for most purposes
[21:57:13] <elektronkind> oh gosh, bz2 vs gz?
[21:57:28] <richlowe> anyway, last I had need to compress and upload dumps the difference wasn't really worth the effort.
[21:57:48] <sommerfeld> makes sense if bz2 will fit on your cd and gz won't.
[21:57:57] <e^ipi> elektronkind: yeah, they're pretty huge
[21:58:06] <sommerfeld> or some similar quantum step
[21:58:09] <elektronkind> in this case, my /var partition (and it's the one with most space atm)
[21:59:04] <PerterB> depends on the data... for some stuff (sar data files spring to mind) bzip does significantly better than gzip... for core files, not so much
[21:59:22] <elektronkind> the funny thing is, is that if I zipped this to /tmp, I wouuld end up hitting the bug that created this core in the  first place
[22:07:41] <Gman> seemingly that '60K - Update' item was about the 60K registration goal
[22:10:29] <axisys> what is the flash archive extension suppose to be? i have jumpstart and host on same network.. i can ping the host from jumpstart server.. i do have a nfs share
[22:10:40] <axisys> but it does not recognize the flash archive
[22:10:48] <axisys> may be some specific extension?
[22:12:56] <timeless> This GDB was configured as "--host=i386-pc-solaris2.11 --target=armel-linux".
[22:12:59] <timeless> :)
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[22:36:54] <jbk> elektronkind: pbzip
[22:37:11] <jbk> i used it on my core files.. works wonders for the compress time
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[22:40:07] <PerterB> I never saw much benefit with pbzip, even on an 8 cpu box
[22:40:26] <PerterB> that was on filesystem dumps in the tens of gigabytes though
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[22:41:22] <_william_> hi all
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[23:05:24] <CIA-22> cf46844: PSARC/2006/403 Add two new private interfaces to nftw() for 'find' command; 5078524 *find* find is not POSIX.1-2001 compliant; 6450771 ftw() fails when it descends to a path that exceeds PATH_MAX
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[23:15:47] <Gman> stevel, i would seriously help with the scm migration stuff if i had any experience with kernel dev :/
[23:18:21] <movement> pshaw, it's never too late to start
[23:18:57] <Gman> movement, !
[23:19:16] <sommerfeld> Gman: Hmm.  is scm migration actually dependent on special kernel development expertise?
[23:19:29] <sommerfeld> or do you really mean "arcane practices of the OS/Net Consolidation" ?
[23:19:48] <Gman> perhaps not
[23:22:29] <_syphilis_> i think he means 'teamware' :)
[23:22:33] <_syphilis_> (JDS never used teamware, right?)
[23:24:36] <richlowe> Teamware knowledge is attainable without using teamware.
[23:24:58] <richlowe> the only bit of the migration that needs actual kernel-fu is the module versioning stuff, depending on how people decide to do it.
[23:25:13] <richlowe> and until such a time as they do, that's immaterial. :)
[23:31:43] <gdamore> well, we need to come up with an answer to the keywords problem, if we're not going to support them with Hg.
[23:32:40] <richlowe> There's several distinct issues.
[23:32:47] <gdamore> And, I think the proposals on the table require some kernel and tools-fu.  (I.e. hacks needed to loader, possibly to kernel interfaces to support extended modinfo, etc.)
[23:32:48] <richlowe> module versioning (%I%), pragma ident, and random other uses.
[23:33:01] <richlowe> 2 and 3 aren't so bad, 1 requires actual work.
[23:33:17] <richlowe> well, "aren't so bad" is somewhat relative, but...
[23:33:25] <gdamore> #pragma ident isn't kernel relevant.  only %I% (and maybe elfsign(1) if that changes) needs kernel hacks
[23:33:44] <richlowe> Yeah, that's pretty much what I was meaning with what I initially said.
[23:33:45] <richlowe> sorry.
[23:33:46] <gdamore> and, I've never suggested (nor has anyone else I think) that #pragma ident should go away.
[23:33:52] <CIA-22> Robert Johnston: 6513084 eversholt's lookup table implementation could be faster on sparc
[23:34:00] <sommerfeld> actually, others have suggested that it go away.
[23:34:16] <movement> I wish it would. it keeps screwing up diffs.
[23:34:17] <gdamore> (well it would address one GCC warning/complaint)
[23:35:02] <sommerfeld> with a proper diff wrapper you compare things with unexpanded keywords
[23:35:19] <gdamore> i'm of a mixed mind.  when looking at a bare file without the surrounding context of a full tree, it is useful to know what version of a file (Solaris 10, OpenSolaris, Solaris 8?) you're looking at
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[23:45:13] <CIA-22> Shidokht Yadegari: 6433084 convert sd to use cmlb; 6472643 sd should not depend on how libefi or fdisk use an ioctl
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[23:55:24] <alanc> now that's what you call a putback:
[23:55:25] <alanc> Would put back contents changes: 400
[23:55:25] <alanc> Would put back name changes: 2





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