January 29, 2007 
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January 29, 2007 [00:00:21] *** estibi has quit IRC [00:03:17] *** knightblader has quit IRC [00:13:13] *** tsoome has quit IRC [00:16:49] *** GeniACK has quit IRC [00:17:30] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to do the zfs send/recieve trick through ssh, but I'm getting permission denied. As a user, I'm not surprised that I can't create a zfs filesystem, but sshd is of course locked down to not allow root login. Is there something obvious I'm missing here? [00:18:18] <silk> does it work if you do it as rot? [00:18:28] <e^ipi> use the RBAC, luke [00:20:31] <jamesd> Gr|ffous, create a file as root.. transfer the file... [00:20:32] <Gr|ffous> e^ipi, RBAC still looks big and scray [00:20:32] <e^ipi> it's really not [00:20:32] <jamesd> you can't even run send as root... because a user could ship it off to another box and read root data... [00:20:33] <jamesd> er non-root [00:20:33] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:20:34] <Gr|ffous> ok, so I'm sending AS root, and trying to recieve as non-root, is that right jamesd? [00:20:35] <jamesd> Gr|ffous, you create the file then chmod or chown and send by who ever you like. [00:20:45] *** jmcp has quit IRC [00:20:54] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to send a filesystem, not just one file [00:20:57] <jamesd> then zfs recieve as root [00:21:00] <jamesd> Gr|ffous, i know... [00:21:12] <e^ipi> netcat [00:21:14] <e^ipi> *nod* [00:21:26] <jamesd> so its either rbac or the way i explained.. or allow root to login via a key much safer... [00:21:27] <Gr|ffous> I don't understand which file you are referring to [00:21:51] <jamesd> Gr|ffous, zfs send mypool/filesystem > huge_mofo_file [00:22:04] <jamesd> scp huge_mofo_file dest:. [00:22:17] <Gr|ffous> ah yes, that I know how to do. [00:22:30] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to do it the 'cool' way ( |ssh) [00:22:40] <Gr|ffous> so that's option 1/3 then? [00:23:05] <jamesd> you can do still do ssh... | ssh someuser@dest .... [00:23:16] <dinolinux> is there an ext3 driver for opensolaris somewhere? [00:23:30] <Gr|ffous> just not straight into it's own fs [00:23:41] <jamesd> there was a ext2 driver around years ago, not sure it is ported or maintained these days... [00:23:55] <dinolinux> heh [00:24:02] <jamesd> Gr|ffous, correct... you would need to use rbac or allow root on the target machine. [00:24:19] <dinolinux> a possible new opensolaris project? :P [00:24:36] <jamesd> yes if you want to supervise it... [00:24:43] <jamesd> ask google there might allready by one [00:25:00] <elektronkind> teh google oracle! [00:25:11] <e^ipi> google runs on oracle? [00:25:34] <dinolinux> yeah, i'd like to join opensolaris development, this could probably be a nice place to start [00:25:52] <jbk> heh.. if they did, the license fees alone would suck up all their profit :) [00:26:31] <elektronkind> no free fois gras spring rolls or endless sushi in their cafeterias in that case [00:31:23] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [00:31:39] <jmcp> anybody running iscsi on sparc? I have a quick question [00:31:48] <dinolinux> i have [00:31:51] <dinolinux> nno [00:31:57] <dinolinux> i read that as irssi [00:32:04] <Gr|ffous> lol [00:32:48] <dinolinux> yeah, it's late :P [00:33:35] <jmcp> what I need is the output of "prtconf -cv /devices/scsi_vhci" and "prtconf -cv /devices/iscsi" [00:43:04] *** dsieger has quit IRC [00:45:00] *** kimc_ has joined #opensolaris [00:53:26] *** kimc has quit IRC [00:56:51] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [00:59:26] <twincest> where can i read about the sysv/solaris ABI? [01:02:22] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [01:03:30] <delewis> twincest, the SVID documents are a good place to start. [01:04:00] <richlowe> SVID, the ABI documents, and the processor supplements thereto. [01:04:03] <delewis> there's the architecture-independent document and the -dependent one (respectively named gapi.pdf and psapi.pdf, I think) [01:04:07] <richlowe> not necessarily in that order, (and I may have some muddled) [01:04:29] <delewis> both are available at sparc.org [01:05:02] <twincest> hmm, the current SVID is published by SCO.. does it actually reflect reality outside openserver? [01:05:28] <delewis> twincest, the one published under SCO is identical to the one at sparc.org [01:05:30] <delewis> so I would assume so. [01:05:38] <twincest> okay. thanks [01:05:43] <delewis> unless my memory is failing me. :-) [01:07:16] <twincest> ah, it apparently documents SCO-specific changes [01:07:40] <delewis> I'd go with the sparc.org one then, unless the changes are made fairly distinct in the SCO document. [01:08:19] <delewis> http://www.sparc.com/standards/gabi31.pdf [01:08:24] <delewis> http://www.sparc.com/standards/psABI3rd.pdf [01:08:35] <twincest> i would imagine the sparc.org version doesn't have the 386-specific documents [01:08:54] <delewis> nope, the processor-specific document is for SPARC. [01:09:27] <twincest> "Approved media for physical distribution of ABI-conforming software are listed below" [01:09:36] * twincest wonders when physical media became part of the ABI [01:10:05] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [01:11:19] <Gr|ffous> what do I pass to ps to give me the full path of a running process? [01:11:58] <delewis> Gr|ffous, pargs is what you probably want. [01:16:04] <Gr|ffous> ah, great thanks [01:16:17] <Gr|ffous> is there a pidof style command I can chain this through? [01:16:32] <twincest> i guess you want pgrep [01:18:26] <Gr|ffous> yup. ta [01:23:54] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [01:24:39] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [01:42:42] *** jbalint has joined #opensolaris [01:42:51] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [01:43:55] *** pogma has quit IRC [01:44:11] *** pogma has joined #opensolaris [01:47:20] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [01:48:31] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris [01:49:17] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [01:59:31] *** simford has joined #OpenSolaris [02:03:20] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [02:04:52] *** rodrick-brown has joined #opensolaris [02:05:46] *** karrotx has quit IRC [02:08:18] *** pseudo_ has quit IRC [02:09:08] *** McBofh has joined #opensolaris [02:10:45] <Stric> hm. just had a sol10 box go down in flames over some memory/cpu/board problem when inside ufs.. then panicing in ufs:alloccgblk, another round of fsck and then coming up.. [02:13:06] <myrkraverk> erm, is it a myth that linux .so files are binary compatible with solaris? [02:13:21] <Stric> yep [02:13:28] <Stric> they use the same format though [02:14:08] <Stric> well.. hm.. I suppose with the same arch you could probably dlopen the other lib.. hm.. go try ;) [02:14:47] <myrkraverk> Stric: ok, I have this binary only conversion stuff I may want to get to work in solaris [02:15:33] * Stric uses linux on x86 and solaris on sparc, haven't really tried mixing libs.. [02:16:00] *** pseudoXh4 has joined #OPENsolaris [02:16:21] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris [02:16:39] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [02:21:38] <Gman> OpenSolaris Weekly News #46 - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2007-January/000882.html [02:21:39] <myrkraverk> is there any voice recognition stuff for solaris? [02:23:11] <richlowe> Gman: "2-bit and 64-bit"? [02:24:22] <lloy0076> I want a 2 bit processor. [02:25:00] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [02:25:03] <lloy0076> Actually, it *might* be feasible. [02:25:16] <lloy0076> Aren't Turing machines able to be implemented with a binary style processor? [02:25:29] *** karrotx has quit IRC [02:26:13] <twincest> myrkraverk: they are both ELF.. lxrun relies on that to emulate the linux abi [02:27:44] *** flowtech has joined #opensolaris [02:27:58] <myrkraverk> twincest: yes -- I'll just have to give it a try -- I *think* solaris and linux use the same ABI specs -- it could be a matter of what calls are made inside the lib (but actual testing needs to be done later) [02:28:39] <twincest> no, the ABIs are different, e.g. there's a different syscall interface on linux [02:28:45] <twincest> (it generates a fault on solaris, which is how lxrun intercepts it) [02:29:12] <myrkraverk> twincest: yes, but if the conversion rutines don't call any linux system calls? [02:29:17] <myrkraverk> twincest: in my lib [02:29:37] <myrkraverk> twincest: I may be able to just link, in that case [02:30:04] <myrkraverk> afaik, the subrutine call interface is the same [02:31:50] <Gman> richlowe, did i typo? [02:32:15] <myrkraverk> well, I'm going to sleep now; night all [02:32:32] <Gman> richlowe, ahh, martin's thing, i guess that was a typo in the original post [02:32:53] *** schily_ has joined #opensolaris [02:38:34] <axisys> anyone knows how to copy file from 5310's chkpoint? i mounted the chkpoint .. i see the file .. but cp gets permission denied .. i am root on both 5310 and the solaris OS [02:40:17] <charlieS> look at the root= option to 'share' [02:40:51] <axisys> charlieS: on the OS or on 5310? [02:41:02] <charlieS> for the concept.. [06:51:14] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [06:51:42] * boyd ponders if he's game to wander into #emacs to report a bug with current emacs builds on Solaris [07:04:18] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris [07:04:26] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [07:06:35] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [07:08:55] *** McBofhnyah has joined #opensolaris [07:09:20] *** detriment has quit IRC [07:11:13] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [07:11:14] *** detriment has joined #opensolaris [07:20:31] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [07:20:54] *** nyahMcBofh has quit IRC [07:23:33] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [07:26:28] *** whaq has quit IRC [07:26:59] *** whaq has joined #opensolaris [07:50:40] *** bank__ has quit IRC [07:52:17] *** Theoden-Nexenta has left #opensolaris [08:00:21] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris [08:01:55] *** broadcast has joined #opensolaris [08:02:49] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [08:03:06] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [08:10:26] <asyd> \_o< [08:14:28] *** zaurus has joined #opensolaris [08:20:48] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:29:37] *** Trident has quit IRC [08:34:40] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [08:34:57] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [08:37:22] *** Gman has quit IRC [08:39:41] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [08:43:40] <deather_> hello [08:54:00] *** negativecreep has joined #opensolaris [09:02:52] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [09:03:07] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [09:03:54] *** qdk has quit IRC [09:04:59] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [09:05:56] *** tsoome has quit IRC [09:06:52] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [09:07:03] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:13:20] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [09:24:16] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [09:26:38] *** pikapika has quit IRC [09:29:26] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [09:34:51] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [09:34:52] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [09:35:01] <Gman> evening' all [09:35:42] *** pogma has quit IRC [09:35:44] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [09:35:45] <Gman> oooh, colortrace.d [09:35:54] <Gman> i am in awe of brendang's greatness once again [09:35:58] *** pogma has joined #opensolaris [09:36:17] <e^ipi> ? [09:36:50] <Gman> http://planet.opensolaris.org/ [09:36:53] <Gman> first post [09:37:42] <quasi> morning [09:38:17] <Gman> hey quasi [09:38:41] <e^ipi> for some reason my laptop refuses to respect ansi colour codes [09:38:56] <e^ipi> makes vim far less useful as a programmers' editor [09:39:08] <quasi> hey Gman [09:39:26] <Gman> colorls, that'll be a fun arc case :) [09:39:33] <quasi> ah, that colortrace looks incredibly useful for demos [09:40:01] <Gman> man, and ahl has been blogging too, sweet. [09:40:13] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [09:41:54] <LeftWing> Colour ls would be good. [09:42:40] <dlg> or annoying, one of those [09:43:31] <LeftWing> heh [09:43:55] *** simford has quit IRC [09:44:12] <LeftWing> It's amazing how resistive people can be to utilising more of their available sensory perception. =P [09:44:45] <dlg> i just know the limits of mine [09:44:54] <dlg> i struggle with blue on black [09:45:01] <dlg> so i have to turn it off [09:45:20] <quasi> LeftWing: no, I do not want ls tied to the speaker [09:45:47] <LeftWing> dlg: Blue on black is a bit crap, yeah. [09:45:57] <dlg> you're long sighted? [09:46:16] <LeftWing> dlg: Perhaps I am. [09:46:38] *** simford has joined #OpenSolaris [09:46:44] <LeftWing> I have some sort of retinal damage in at least one eye, it's a bit irritating [09:47:19] <dlg> short sighted people have trouble with red on black [09:47:35] <LeftWing> It also depends on what blue you're talking about. I'm OK with most blues on black, just not very dark blue. [09:47:42] <LeftWing> But then that's a contrast issue more than anything [09:48:07] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [09:48:10] <dlg> cant you install gnu ls from csw or something anyway? [09:48:16] <lloy0076> Sometimes you know, I am REALLY STUPID :( [09:48:25] <LeftWing> dlg: You can, but it would be nice if the base userland supported it. [09:48:40] <lloy0076> I'm sitting here wondering why my rsync is randomly crapping out, and then realise I have 2 210.10.97.162's existing in the world. [09:48:43] * lloy0076 kicks self [09:48:46] <LeftWing> Even if it was off by default and you turned it on with an environment variable. [09:48:57] <dlg> LeftWing: everyone is entitled to an opinion :) [09:49:50] <LeftWing> dlg: And if it was off by default but at least provided, we'd both be catered for. ;) [09:50:11] *** zaurus has left #opensolaris [09:50:27] <LeftWing> Wow, I just can't be arsed reading osol-discuss any more. [09:52:26] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [09:55:48] *** Andrew____ has joined #opensolaris [09:55:53] *** lloy0076_ has joined #opensolaris [09:57:20] *** lloy0076_ is now known as lloy0076 [09:57:50] *** deather_ is now known as deather [09:57:56] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [10:03:10] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [10:03:11] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [10:06:30] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [10:06:59] <raph_ael> hello [10:07:22] <Gman> LeftWing, heh, hear you on that one [10:07:32] * Gman deletes most of the threads on that list [10:07:38] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [10:07:44] <LeftWing> I have about 680 unread messages and it grows every day. [10:08:37] * quasi still haven't gotten the courage to subscribe [10:08:52] *** nostoi has quit IRC [10:09:07] <LeftWing> Can you keep metadbs inside a swap slice? [10:09:09] <Gman> LeftWing, i'm pretty much only reading it once a week to summarise anything useful [10:09:12] <LeftWing> (for SVM) [10:09:20] <LeftWing> Gman: Yeah, fair enough. [10:10:03] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [10:10:06] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [10:10:07] *** yippi has quit IRC [10:10:08] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:32] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [10:10:39] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [10:10:40] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:23:26] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [10:23:27] *** jcea has quit IRC [10:24:58] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [10:25:33] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [10:25:56] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:29:22] *** avb has joined #opensolaris [10:30:43] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [10:35:58] *** negativecreep has quit IRC [10:40:01] *** simford has quit IRC [10:45:40] <CIA-22> af: 6386365 mdb hangs on single stepping an instruction that causes a bus error [10:48:22] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [10:50:47] *** avb has quit IRC [10:52:27] *** Triskelios has left #opensolaris [10:52:34] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [10:53:30] <Stric> LeftWing: wouldn't it be a problem if both metadb and swap wants to share the same disk space? [10:54:03] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [10:57:14] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [11:13:40] *** Bart_M has joined #opensolaris [11:13:49] <sickness> lol [11:13:57] <sickness> doesn't sound so good... [11:19:09] <BadKarma> heh [11:22:19] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [11:28:25] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [11:31:57] <Gr|ffous> hi all, Gr|ff is back to battling with compiling software. Do I have any volunteer helpers? It seems my application keeps linking with libraries that aren't in -R, -r, or -L. [11:32:00] *** pseudoXh4 has joined #OPENsolaris [11:32:01] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [11:32:32] <tsoome> then fix it:P [11:33:23] <Gr|ffous> I'd love to, what do you suppose I'm doing wrong? I'm building with D_OPTIONS=-R/opt/csw/lib/$ISALIST -R/opt/csw/lib -L/opt/csw/kde-gcc/lib -L/opt/csw/lib, but the library that it's linking against is in /usr/lib [11:33:48] <Gr|ffous> that's LD_OPTIONS.. [11:34:03] <Gr|ffous> which is what that variable is for right, so that gcc links correctly? [11:34:11] <tsoome> man gcc? [11:34:27] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris [11:34:30] <Gr|ffous> due to the size of that, it's not much help to me [11:37:27] <Gr|ffous> is (version not found) essentially saying that the library of verion X isn't found, but the library is there, or more that it's looking for a particular version of a lib isn't there... in fact the whole file isn't there? [11:40:44] <CosmicDJ> which program is telling you "version not found"? [11:40:55] <Gr|ffous> ldd path/to/binary [11:41:27] <Gr|ffous> libz is my problem lib, and I do have 2 versions of it on the system, but it would seem that it's always taking the wrong one [11:45:20] <cap_> you're not mixing up 32- and 64-bit libs are you? ...I'm not sure if it can give you that exact error msg but it sure can mess stuff up [11:45:54] <Gr|ffous> shouldn't be, this is a 32-bit host [11:49:04] <CosmicDJ> why don't you post the exact error? [11:49:45] <Gr|ffous> it's just ldd output at this stage, I haven't run the app [11:49:53] <Gr|ffous> I'll just back on and past that if you like [11:49:59] <Gr|ffous> *jump [11:56:31] <Gr|ffous> http://rafb.net/p/WBjctP44.html [11:57:48] <jmcp> Gr|ffous: I think you mean LDFLAGS [11:58:04] <Gr|ffous> jmcp! [11:58:11] <jmcp> sshhh don't tell everybody [11:58:16] <Gr|ffous> lol [11:58:26] <Gr|ffous> well, my problems are all solved now, jmcp is here [11:58:37] * jmcp cowers under the weight of expectations [11:58:58] <CosmicDJ> I also think you don't want to link against stuff in ../lib/i386 directly [11:59:05] <Gr|ffous> ;), so what DOES (version not found) mean exactly. It can be taken a couple of ways [11:59:05] <jmcp> correct [11:59:40] <Gr|ffous> ../lib? [12:00:10] <jmcp> in this case, your configure script has determined it should link against /usr/lib/libz.so, but you've specified that the app should be linked against /opt/csw/lib/libz.so [12:00:13] <jmcp> this is megabad [12:00:13] <CosmicDJ> s/../usr,csw,etc/ [12:00:20] <jmcp> use the system-supplied libz.so [12:01:35] <Gr|ffous> well this is blastwave sw, so I really need to use the blastwave libs unless absolutely necessary. It would seem that the configure script just needs beating into submission [12:01:53] <Gr|ffous> I had thought that LD_OPTIONS overrode anything specified by ./configure? [12:01:54] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [12:01:56] <jmcp> Gr|ffous: uh ... *always* use the system-supplied libz [12:02:02] <jmcp> depends [12:02:18] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris [12:02:56] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC [12:03:09] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [12:03:40] <Gr|ffous> is libz a special case? [12:04:02] <CosmicDJ> I'd first remove /opt/csw/lib/$ISALIST from your LD_OPTIONS/LD_FLAGS.. [12:04:11] <tsoome> you are doing the linking, you should be able to tell;) [12:04:19] <jmcp> Gr|ffous: yes [12:05:16] <Gr|ffous> CosmicDJ, I just took that from http://www.blastwave.org/standards/build.html [12:05:19] <Gr|ffous> I'll try again without it [12:06:00] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [12:07:04] <Gr|ffous> jmcp, do you have a moment to expand on that a bit so I can better understand libz? [12:07:45] <jmcp> libz is one of those majorly important system-supplied libraries. If you use the version that Sun supplies in a SUNW* package, then you know that you're getting the most optimized, and the supported version. Any other version ... might not be as highly optimized [12:07:56] <jmcp> yes, *same* source, just more aggressive compilation options [12:07:56] *** yippi has quit IRC [12:08:35] <jmcp> the other thing is that when you link against the SUNW* version, you'll get the benefit of being able to run your util/app/... without seeing those annoying versioning messages [12:08:42] <jmcp> and from there it gets more handywavey [12:08:47] <Gr|ffous> so If I'm wanting to link all libraries to /opt/csw/lib versions apart from libz, how can I do that? [12:09:16] <jmcp> well ... add -R/usr/lib to the start of your LD_OPTIONS [12:09:37] <jmcp> in fact, I'd recommand something like this: -R/usr/lib -R/opt/csw/lib -R/opt/csw/kde-gcc/lib [12:10:00] <jmcp> the linker (ld.so) should automatically pickup the appropriate optimised version of the /opt/csw/lib/* libraries [12:10:27] <Gr|ffous> won't that prefer the sfw versions of all software? [12:10:34] <Gr|ffous> libraries that is [12:10:50] <jmcp> I don't see "sfw" anywhere in that list of -R options [12:11:08] <Gr|ffous> oh sorry, I mean the SUNW versions [12:11:56] <Gr|ffous> I don't fully understand the linkers logic - it's smarter then simply taking the first that it finds, like $PATH? [12:12:13] <jmcp> well yes, if there's a clash between /usr/lib and /opt/csw/lib you'll get the SUNW version. however, I think it's the case that if you explicitly specify -L/opt/csw/lib -l(library) -R.... then the csw verrsion will be the one that's searched for first [12:12:14] <jmcp> yeah [12:13:12] <jmcp> ref http://blogs.sun.com/rie, and http://blogs.sun.com/ahl/entry/linker_alien_spotting [12:13:19] <jmcp> note the title on the first blog [12:14:06] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [12:15:15] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [12:16:30] *** detriment has quit IRC [12:16:43] <Gr|ffous> I'll try and work my way through the blog thanks. Meanwhile I have another gmake running with your suggested LD_OPTIONS [12:16:55] * jmcp nods [12:17:24] *** detriment has joined #opensolaris [12:18:52] <Gr|ffous> linking always hurts my head [12:19:23] <jteo> you get burned enough, and you will get the hang of it. [12:21:11] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [12:21:15] <Gr|ffous> I think were I not trying to make blastwave versions, it would be easy enough [12:21:50] <Gr|ffous> this package (amark) is odd even by blastwave standards as it's kde based, which has it's own libs hiding in /opt/csw/kde-gcc/libs. [12:21:57] <Gr|ffous> so it's all a bit tough for a first timer! [12:22:26] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:22:31] *** calumb has quit IRC [12:22:58] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:25:39] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [12:27:24] <tsoome> and there is no binary package? [12:28:55] <Gr|ffous> not for solaris. I'm making one though!... well, I'm trying! [12:29:54] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [12:36:02] *** DivineEntity has quit IRC [12:40:43] <Gr|ffous> :( http://rafb.net/p/zLF1AY79.html [12:41:49] <Gr|ffous> play with -L too next ? [12:43:00] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris [12:45:26] <boyd> Gah what on earth are the marketing people at sun being paid for? They have two products called "Sun Java Availability Suite" and "Sun StorageTek Availability Suite [12:45:36] <boyd> Which are completely different things [12:46:23] <CosmicDJ> one is for java and the other for storage? [12:46:48] <boyd> One is SunCluster, the other is storage replication and snapshotting [12:48:11] <quasi> SunCluster is going to be renamed to something with solaris in the name iirc [12:48:12] <boyd> What on earth made you thing that one would be for Java just because is has Java in it's name? [12:48:41] <Gr|ffous> hmm, so on line 38 there, libz.so is working, but on line 51, libz.so.1 isn't [12:48:42] <Gr|ffous> ?!% [12:48:46] <boyd> quasi: It seems that "Solaris Cluster" at the moment is the bundle of SunCluster, SunCluster Geo Edition and some agents [12:49:08] <boyd> Can they not see the screaming need to just choose a freakin' name and STICK WITH IT? [12:49:36] <dlg> sun cluster and sun cluster geo edition are different [12:49:59] <quasi> give them some credit for trying to live up to the general conception of marketing drones being complete idiots ;) [12:50:08] <boyd> Yes, I know, but the only place the name "solaris cluster" is used on the main site is in relation to a bundle of the two. [12:50:32] <Cyrille> I think our marketing like to keep people on edge, always wondering whether they're using the right name ;-) [12:51:08] <boyd> In fact, on this page, that's explicitly what they say: http://www.sun.com/download/index.jsp?cat=Systems%20Administration&tab=3&subcat=Clustering [12:51:51] <quasi> or just changing the name hoping that some old customers will see the new name and think "I've gotta get me one of those as well" [12:53:53] <boyd> I'm trying to work out how to download the Instant Image and SNDR bits and I can't find where to do it [12:55:00] *** yippi has quit IRC [12:57:28] * jmcp sleeps [12:58:14] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [12:58:15] <bank__> hi [12:58:53] *** polk__ has quit IRC [12:58:58] <bank__> Anyone use Oracle db 10g on opensol ? [12:59:26] <bank__> How could we fool the kernal? I got "Checking operating system version: must be 5.10. Actual 5.11" During installation on b55 [13:00:01] <Cyrille> possibly by manually patching the script checking the version number, assuming it's a script. [13:00:10] <darrenm> bank__: dtrace - google for dtrace and uname and you should find the relevant script, or use an LD_PRELOAD library to fake the return values of the system call [13:00:30] <bank__> errr ... [13:00:50] <Cyrille> you're running a ./setup or ./install program to install Oracle, right? [13:01:12] <bank__> ./runInstaller [13:01:44] <Cyrille> is that a script? Does it do anything more than just calling something else? For instance, does it call uname to check the version of the OS? [13:02:00] <Cyrille> Is it plugged in? Is it turned on? ;-) [13:02:49] <Gr|ffous> yikes. I have 2GB of ram and 1.5GB of swap... and yet: /bin/bash: fork: Not enough space [13:02:49] <Gr|ffous> virtual memory exhausted: Resource temporarily unavailable [13:02:49] <Gr|ffous> virtual memory exhausted: Resource temporarily unavailable [13:02:56] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC [13:03:00] <andersmo> Gr|ffous: ulimit? [13:03:03] <bank__> thank you Cyrille and darrenm [13:03:09] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [13:03:18] <bank__> I got you keyword for googling and got bypassing version checking ./runInstaller -ignoreSysPrereqs [13:03:46] <Gr|ffous> unlimited apparently [13:04:35] <Gr|ffous> ah, found the problem. hehehe, gmake -j is not the same as gmake -j 4! [13:05:14] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [13:06:49] <bank__> excuse me , another question please [13:07:05] <bank__> I do something like DISPLAY=192.168.1.128:0.0; export DISPLAY [13:07:18] <bank__> but it look like there are no display yet. [13:07:18] *** Odin-LAP has joined #opensolaris [13:07:25] <bank__> What do I need to do? [13:07:29] <bank__> Does it about VNC? [13:08:14] <bank__> I can connect graphically via vnc with global zone. but this because it is not a global zone. .... Does this related to DISPLAY? [13:08:27] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [13:08:54] <Gr|ffous> bank, are you connecting with ssh -Y or ssh -X? [13:09:11] <darrenm> sorry I can't understand your problem. What are you trying to do (don't say what you have tried and what isn't working but explain what you are wanting to achive) [13:09:39] <bank__> I use something call "SSH Secure Shell" to connect to non global zone as username "oracle" to run oracle setup [13:10:09] <delewis> you probably don't have X11 forwarding enabled on the Oracle server per default in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [13:10:48] <darrenm> X11 forwarding *is on* by default on the server but *off* on the client [13:11:36] <dlg> ssh -Y [13:11:39] <delewis> that sounds backwards. :-) [13:11:42] <dlg> or -X [13:11:47] <darrenm> nope it isn't [13:11:54] <darrenm> the security risk is to the client not the server [13:12:03] <darrenm> thats ssh client and server [13:12:11] <bank__> http://pastebin.com/870140 [13:12:52] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [13:13:10] <bank__> X11Forwarding yes [13:13:37] <bank__> delewis X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config [13:13:40] <darrenm> bank__: what OS and ssh program is on the client ? [13:13:57] <bank__> SSH SecureShell 3.2.9 on Windows XP [13:14:06] <delewis> there's your problem. [13:14:12] <delewis> you don't have an X11 server on Windows. [13:14:47] <bank__> Do I need a X11 Server? [13:14:51] <darrenm> you can use VNC [13:15:00] <bank__> I have VNC viewer [13:15:33] <darrenm> you need to use SSH port forwarding (not X11 forwarding) and run a VNC server in the Solaris zone. [13:15:38] <bank__> I have CygwinX and VNC viewer on windows. [13:16:11] <lplatypus> can you run xclock from the cygwin prompt? [13:17:43] <lplatypus> if that works, and if you have the openssh cygwin package installed, then you should be able to run "ssh -Y hostname" from the cygwin prompt [13:18:22] <bank__> Can I put username somewhere for ssh -Y hostname [13:18:40] <lplatypus> ssh -Y username@hostname [13:19:21] <bank__> xclock not found [13:19:56] <bank__> oops sorry a moment [13:20:16] *** pseudo_ has joined #OPENsolaris [13:20:21] <bank__> Error Can't open display [13:21:07] <lplatypus> are you sure that your Cygwin Xserver is running? [13:21:17] *** pseudoXh4 has quit IRC [13:21:31] <bank__> Actually I don't know how to use Cygwin [13:21:54] <bank__> I am searching how can I start Cygwin Xserver [13:22:16] <lplatypus> perhaps you have a link on your start menu which starts the cygwin X server... when it's running you'll be able to see a little "X"-shaped icon in the systray [13:22:58] <lplatypus> if you can't find the link, you can start it with a command... "startx" maybe? [13:23:21] <lplatypus> (I'm not sitting at a windows PC at the moment so I can't check for you) [13:23:29] <bank__> got it [13:23:32] <bank__> moment please [13:23:43] <bank__> ssh -Y from white window right? [13:23:47] <lplatypus> yeah [13:24:35] <bank__> I got xclock !!!! ^^ [13:24:40] <lplatypus> yay [13:24:47] <lplatypus> now try the oracle installer :-) [13:26:14] <bank__> I got a blank gray window. [13:27:45] <lplatypus> are you contacting your solaris server over a local network, or could it be a slow network link? [13:29:02] <lplatypus> if it's a slow network link, you could try ssh -C -Y ... or else get someone to help you use VNC which works better over a slow link [13:29:45] <lplatypus> I'm off to bed now but I'm sure others here can help you... good night! [13:29:56] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [13:30:49] <bank__> thank you , gd night [13:34:09] <bank__> lplatypus thank you. it working now. 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[14:11:44] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:14:11] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [14:14:48] *** xea_ has quit IRC [14:15:43] * lloy0076 is stuck in CDE [14:18:48] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [14:20:08] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [14:25:52] *** nyahMcBofh has joined #opensolaris [14:26:35] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [14:28:19] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris [14:31:28] *** syllogism has quit IRC [14:33:04] <lloy0076> There are some services that the JDS download page (which I'm sure looked prettier before) tells you to turn off before installing it. [14:33:12] <lloy0076> One of them was dbus and the other postinstall somethings... [14:33:19] <lloy0076> Anyone got the link to the original page? [14:33:27] * damienc gets a link [14:34:36] <damienc> still trying - the web proxy is even slower than dial-up. [14:34:41] <lloy0076> It's just that http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ isn't what it used to look like :( [14:34:56] *** McBofhnyah has quit IRC [14:35:03] <damienc> in what way? [14:35:21] <Berny_> it's missing an index.html? [14:35:34] <damienc> oh yeah [14:35:37] <lloy0076> There used to be a link to some instructions... [14:35:42] <lloy0076> And or the instructions were on the page. [14:35:52] <damienc> Berny_ is right - no index.html page [14:36:00] <damienc> the instructions are in the desktop-discuss page [14:36:25] *** jmcp has quit IRC [14:37:10] <damienc> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=22162&tstart=15 [14:37:22] *** McBofhnyah has joined #opensolaris [14:37:49] <lloy0076> w00t [14:38:00] <lloy0076> Sorry, I'm trying to get my JDS back up and running again. [14:39:14] <lloy0076> And I'm currently using CDE with a BrandZ Mozilla browser :P [14:39:37] * damienc is sorting out an index.html page [14:39:58] <lloy0076> hehe [14:40:26] <damienc> done [14:40:31] <lloy0076> Kewl :) [14:40:57] <lloy0076> hah, it looks like it used to again! [14:44:36] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC [14:46:47] *** nyahMcBofh has quit IRC [14:51:35] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [14:53:22] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [14:59:08] *** darrenm has quit IRC [15:02:01] <bank__> hi [15:06:20] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [15:08:10] <lloy0076> Howdy [15:08:17] <lloy0076> Did you get your site running better? [15:10:29] <lloy0076> Oh, why must Sun make the governing organisation be called the OpenSolaris Community? [15:10:37] <lloy0076> The OpenSolaris community is the open solaris community. [15:12:53] <bank__> I am currently working on starting enterprise manager of oracle db 10 on opensol [15:13:12] <lloy0076> I see. [15:13:29] <lloy0076> Hopefully that causes you less grief :) [15:17:43] <Vanuatoo> I guess Project Caiman is going to change many basic problems in OpenSolaris [15:18:15] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [15:18:46] <bank__> I am going to uninstall it... actually rm -rf [15:22:26] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [15:29:16] *** yarihm has quit IRC [15:31:58] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [15:33:35] <bank__> if I really want a more free space in /tmp ... how can I do? [15:33:48] <jteo> buy more ram? [15:33:55] <bank__> my tmp doesn't have enough temporary space for install oracle [15:34:28] <nachox> /tmp is usually a tmpfs in solais [15:35:11] <bank__> how can I add more free space? [15:35:14] <lloy0076> Shouln't a tmpfs be backed by swap though? [15:35:26] <mrdeviant> you could add more swap space [15:35:39] <bank__> it is a non global zone [15:35:42] <lasseoe> that usually happens if A) you've really not got enough RAM or B) you've misconfigured Oracle, not followed the install guide [15:36:14] <bank__> it means /tmp/ required 108 mb (only as temporary space) : Available 93 MB [15:37:19] <nachox> hmm, accordint to the tmpfs adding moreswap will not solve the problem [15:38:30] <mrdeviant> huh? [15:39:21] <nachox> " If you have too many files, tmpfs will print a warning message and you will be unable to create new files. You cannot increase this limit by adding swap space." from a solaris 8 [15:40:03] <mrdeviant> yes, but adding more swap space will increate tmpfs' size. that seemed to be the problem. not a limit on # of files [15:40:04] <tsoome> too many files, not too little of space [15:41:20] <lloy0076> "You must now reboot your computer before using the Java Desktop System" [15:41:21] * lloy0076 sigh [15:41:27] <nachox> ohh, my bad, then this is the relevant part of the man page :) " Likewise, programs requiring large amounts of memory use up the space available to tmpfs. Users running into this constraint (for example, running out of space on tmpfs) can allocate more swap space by using theswap(1M) command. [15:43:26] *** silk has quit IRC [15:43:34] <lloy0076> Anywy, off I go... [15:43:39] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [15:46:14] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC [15:48:41] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb [15:58:39] *** nostoi has quit IRC [16:05:06] *** calumb has quit IRC [16:05:15] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [16:05:20] <lloy0076> errk [16:05:28] <lloy0076> JDS' new gaim crashes on me. [16:05:41] <richlowe> jmcp was having similar issues I think. [16:05:44] <lloy0076> I'm used to gaim crashing but it's kind of very tedious. [16:05:51] <richlowe> which may mean he knows a way around it. [16:06:10] <lloy0076> Oh, I used the: "install gaim (plus the kitchen sink) via blastwave" work around. 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[16:17:41] *** dclarke_ZZZzzz is now known as dclarke [16:18:04] <dclarke> lloy0076 : good morning [16:18:13] * dclarke hands over a kitchen sink [16:19:03] * dclarke dumps a double basin sink plus faucet on richlowe's desk [16:19:38] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [16:19:41] <CIA-22> vb160487: 6469597 ::pfiles and ::nfs_servinfo have byte-swapped port numbers on x86; 6512145 pfiles(1) (64-bit) locking output is broken for 32-bit targets [16:20:51] *** hell`` has quit IRC [16:21:38] <richlowe> dclarke: mornin' [16:21:56] *** xushi has joined #opensolaris [16:22:25] * dclarke grunts ... stares at coffee blankly [16:23:59] <dclarke> I think I hit another thing about CDE that annoys me [16:24:10] <mrdeviant> the fact that it's CDE ? [16:24:26] <richlowe> the lack of friendly engineers in here to yell at when it breaks? :) [16:24:27] <dclarke> well CDE is real nice on a machine with only 512MB of RAM [16:24:28] <nachox> the fact that it looks old :) [16:24:33] <richlowe> that's one of JDS's biggest features, after all :) [16:24:48] <dclarke> JDS is just GNOME [16:24:51] <dme> "real nice" ? [16:24:57] <dclarke> stop calling it Java foo [16:25:44] <dclarke> the Solaris 10 operating system is not the Java Enterprise System [16:26:01] <dclarke> my machine here is not a Java station [16:26:04] <richlowe> I don't think anyone here has a direct line to the marketing people responsible for such stupidity. [16:26:11] <dclarke> my coffee cup is a Java cup however [16:26:16] <nachox> why? this is java opensolaris and we're in java-earth, i'm java-working right now [16:26:19] <dclarke> can we beat them [16:26:20] <dclarke> ? [16:26:20] <richlowe> and I think 10 is the Solaris Enterprise System now, but I'm not entirely sure :) [16:26:31] <richlowe> or is that just 10+JES? [16:26:34] <richlowe> or JES renamed? [16:26:39] <dclarke> can we please just all get their phone numbers and call them all day and say "you're a idiot" and then hang up ? [16:26:58] <dclarke> I mean what the f#$k are they thinking with an idiot with a cowboy hat on the homepage ? [16:27:15] <jteo> the world works in mysterious ways? [16:27:16] <andersmo> Sun JavaBranding(tm) [16:27:21] <richlowe> they're a little bit country, a little bit rock 'n roll? [16:27:28] <dclarke> someone had a blog there other day with pictures of the new Sun tape library system and it is soooooo coool looking [16:27:29] <jbk> <insert brokeback joke here> [16:28:02] <dclarke> they are a little stupid .. I think I'll call up Tom Gogune today and whine at him [16:28:07] <dclarke> Goguen [16:28:10] <dclarke> him [16:28:40] <dclarke> yep .. let me get a notepad .. write down .. "things to do today : bitch at Tom Goguen" [16:28:53] <dclarke> okay .. I'll do that when he is awake [16:29:02] <richlowe> sigh, I swear there's already a bug against this. [16:29:05] <richlowe> and I'll be buggered if I can find it. [16:29:14] <jteo> what bug? [16:29:20] <dclarke> truth be told he is a funny guy and he says he will come up here and that I can get blueline hockey ti ckets [16:29:36] <nachox> that would be almost as funny as ubuntu's 1st ug [16:29:44] <nachox> *bug [16:29:54] <dclarke> ubuntu has a bug? no ... [16:30:25] <dclarke> there is a real bug filed about the name "Java" on the JDS system ... funny [16:30:34] <dclarke> who is the guy in charge of the JDS ? [16:30:41] <dclarke> is it Glynn Foster ? [16:30:46] <dclarke> gman ? [16:31:15] <dclarke> I think I'll call him too [16:31:17] <nachox> easy boy, the sarcasm-meter almost exploded there :P ubuntu does have bugs, and lots of them [16:31:28] * dclarke sighs [16:31:35] <dclarke> no ... say it ain't so [16:31:52] <nachox> i really doubt gman has any saying in those marketing issues [16:31:53] <noyb> it ain't so [16:31:54] <dclarke> just a sec .. my mozilla window went away .. [16:32:03] <noyb> bug? [16:32:04] <dclarke> for some reason [16:32:21] <dclarke> hrmmm .. I need a url in this window to open up the browser [16:32:30] <dclarke> http://www.opensolaris.org/ [16:32:50] <dclarke> there .. that fixed it [16:34:20] <bank__> I create a fresh zone and install oracle db10g. there are a lot of error msg during linking process [16:34:21] <dclarke> someone named Glenn Lagasse is in a department named "KISS/Approachability" ... that's funny [16:34:44] <dclarke> bank__ : you installed how ? via the zone console ? [16:35:00] <bank__> via cygwinX [16:35:09] <bank__> installing . [16:35:14] * dclarke pfffth [16:35:30] <dclarke> whats wrong with good ol' X ? [16:35:55] <bank__> Let pick some Error dialog message. [16:36:39] <bank__> Error in invoking target 'ioracle' of makefile '/u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/rdbms/lib/ins_rdbms.mk'. See blablabla log for details [16:37:23] <bank__> Orccur during "Linink 'oracle database" process around 64% [16:38:00] <lloy0076> OI [16:38:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:38:11] <lloy0076> What's wrong with an idiot with a cowboy hat on if he's kinda handsome? [16:38:14] * lloy0076 ducks foc voere [16:38:18] <lloy0076> eep [16:38:23] <lloy0076> <-- too much beer [16:38:26] * lloy0076 ducks for cover [16:38:35] <asyd> \_o< [16:40:05] <bank__> :( [16:40:07] <dclarke> lloy0076 : because the company sells computer hardware and services .. hell .. like maybe selling those would be a good idea [16:40:40] <lloy0076> dclarke: Have you ever noticed that on racing car magazines you get hot, slender, young babes inevitably with blue eyes and very good matching breasts? [16:40:49] <lloy0076> dclarke: It's got nothing to do with the racing. [16:40:56] <lloy0076> dclarke: Marketing is a strange beast. [16:41:01] <dclarke> lloy0076 : well let's put a babe on the homepage then [16:41:22] <jteo> lloy0076: that's plastic surgery for you [16:41:22] <lloy0076> dclarke: Do you think Sun employs anyone who would qualify? [16:41:27] <dclarke> lloy0076 : because the NASCAR people are all sub-70 IQ knuckle dragging red neck inbred morons [16:41:43] <lloy0076> hehe [16:42:03] <lloy0076> <-- proposes the Solaris Babe Project...A Project To Feature You on THE FRONT PAGE! [16:42:52] <lloy0076> I wonder if anyone would fail to miss the humour and actually vote +1 for it and therefore make it a 'real' project... [16:43:14] <nachox> try it :P [16:43:32] <lloy0076> I hardly have the qualifications to lead such a project. [16:43:42] <bank__> I vote for you. [16:44:08] <dclarke> well I can say that back in 2001 I was at a tradeshow working at a booth and the computer company had a total babe working there too .. she was actually a certified Solaris Systems Admin [16:44:26] *** LordKing has quit IRC [16:44:29] *** tkup has quit IRC [16:44:36] <Odin-LAP> dclarke: I thought those were just a myth. [16:44:39] <dclarke> needless to say the geeks that came over to stare at here were knocked over when she started taling NIS at them .. correctly [16:44:48] <lloy0076> rofl [16:44:51] <dclarke> nope .. they are real [16:44:57] <dclarke> seen two of them [16:45:09] <Odin-LAP> Remarkable. [16:45:09] <lloy0076> dclarke: She was probably thinking, "You'd be in the STUPID NIS realm..." [16:45:17] <Odin-LAP> The wonders of the world never cease. [16:45:54] <lloy0076> There do seem to be few women geeks, good looking or not. [16:46:01] <dclarke> I told her that I was convinced that "brains x beauty = constant " but however we can not accomodate for bizarre anomolies [16:46:12] <dclarke> and she got the joke [16:46:16] <nachox> hehe, you should really see the pics of the netbeans day in buenos aires :) [16:46:32] <dclarke> post'em [16:46:42] <lloy0076> Yes, you fool, don't tell - post'em!!!! [16:47:05] <nachox> the people at sun took them, i dont have them [16:47:13] <jteo> pervs. [16:47:23] <dclarke> anyways .. some company that was there hired her as a sysadmin to handle two E10K's down in the carribean on the spot [16:47:37] <lloy0076> rofl [16:47:40] <lloy0076> dclarke: You serious? [16:47:43] <dclarke> off she went .. six months later she sends back photos [16:47:48] <dclarke> yeah .. dead serious [16:47:59] * dclarke holds up right hand [16:48:02] <dclarke> I swear [16:48:10] <lloy0076> dclarke: And what did they offer you, eh? [16:48:11] <nachox> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35285 [16:48:21] <nachox> jteo: :P [16:48:33] <dclarke> lloy0076 : nothing ... I really do look like a geek [16:48:39] <lloy0076> Very orange. [16:48:48] <lloy0076> dclarke: Not you...the netbeans chics [16:50:01] <lloy0076> I've decided I like Netbeans more than Eclipse, but that Eclipse on Solaris looks nicer than Netbeans. [16:50:12] <dclarke> ummm ... I may have a pic of here somewhere in the companies database actually .. but it would be back in 2001 backup tapes .. to heck with it [16:50:13] *** DivineEntity has joined #opensolaris [16:50:36] *** jopi has quit IRC [16:51:19] <bank__> I back to the same problem [16:51:20] <bank__> http://pastebin.co.uk/9697 [16:52:35] <jbk> the c support in netbeans still needs some work, but nice for java [16:52:46] <dclarke> bank__ : please see http://rafb.net/p/4VPv0978.html [16:53:03] <dclarke> bank__ : don't use pastebin ... its full of graphics and ads and crap [16:53:17] <dclarke> bank__ : the little site I found is much cleaner .. easy on the eyes and faster [16:53:18] <lloy0076> jbk: I've only used netbeans for java. [16:53:20] <richlowe> and for some reason real slow to load. [16:53:25] <richlowe> (even in links...) [16:53:58] <lloy0076> richlowe: { if useragent=links } delay 5000; { /if } [16:54:20] <dclarke> bank__ : what rev of Oracle is this exactly ? [16:54:31] <bank__> what do you mean rev? [16:54:31] <dclarke> bank__ : do you have /u01 in that zone ? [16:54:34] <bank__> yes [16:54:44] <dclarke> bank__ : like is this 9i or 10g ? what .. [16:54:45] <bank__> I following through this http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gR2InstallationOnSolaris10.php [16:54:59] <bank__> 10gR2 for x86 [16:55:09] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [16:55:20] <dclarke> bank__ : excellent .. okay [16:55:25] <bank__> got many error dialog while "linking process around 64-65%" in setup [16:55:28] <dclarke> bank__ : maybe we can work this out together [16:55:38] *** compukid_ has quit IRC [16:55:38] <bank__> really [16:55:43] <dclarke> bank__ : I will fire up my shiney new snv_55b box [16:55:49] <dclarke> bank__ : yes really [16:55:55] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [16:56:06] <dclarke> bank__ : but do not expect a answer to all problems in life in 5 mionutes :-) [16:56:11] <bank__> so what do I need to do? ... may be uninstall zone and install again [16:56:14] <dclarke> bank__ : okay ? [16:56:26] <dclarke> bank__ : let's start fresh [16:56:31] <bank__> ok. [16:56:34] <dclarke> bank__ : from square zero [16:56:37] <bank__> zone refresh [16:56:49] <dclarke> bank__ : and .. let's not clutter up this channel with talk about production Solaris 10 [16:56:56] <dclarke> bank__ : so goto #blastwave [16:57:18] <bank__> ... [16:57:45] <dclarke> serious .. this channel is reserved for people to bitch about JDS [16:58:31] <Odin-LAP> What, because lavishing praise on the rest of Solaris is unfashionable? [16:58:48] <dclarke> its a joke .. you missed the previous 30 minutes [16:59:22] <richlowe> and apparently the last year and a half, bitching about JDS is a weekly affair seemingly. [16:59:23] <dclarke> Odin-LAP : and I love Solaris 10 and everyone knows this anyways .. [16:59:26] <Odin-LAP> Not really. ;) [17:00:09] <lloy0076> Odin-LAP: He lurvs everythin' mann...he so kewl. [17:00:38] <Odin-LAP> Polyamourous, then? [17:00:46] <Odin-LAP> Omniamourous, even. [17:01:07] <dclarke> I am not God .. despite what people keep telling me [17:01:21] <mrdeviant> ? [17:01:51] <Odin-LAP> dclarke: Usually people drop the 'not'... [17:01:51] *** bank__ has quit IRC [17:02:24] <dclarke> ha ha ... gotta run now .. [17:02:27] <dclarke> bye bye .. 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[18:00:51] <richlowe> whichever of these menu.lst's is the real one, they're all bloody wrong. [18:01:21] *** compukid_ has quit IRC [18:01:42] *** mrdeviant has left #opensolaris [18:02:16] *** compukid_ has joined #opensolaris [18:02:37] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [18:04:06] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [18:06:21] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [18:07:46] *** tmclaugh has quit IRC [18:08:19] <Berny_> something off-topic: what's a good virus scanner for osx? [18:08:32] <Berny_> (low/zero cost preferred) [18:08:42] <sickness> clamd ? [18:08:54] <sickness> clamav [18:08:57] <sickness> (sorry) [18:08:58] <Berny_> hmm [18:09:37] <Berny_> never seen anything mac'y on their site... but i only download the source anyway ;-) [18:10:15] <Berny_> oh, cool it ships with 10.4 [18:10:24] <Berny_> maybe i'm sorted already :-) [18:10:26] *** boxix has joined #opensolaris [18:11:35] *** jopi has joined #opensolaris [18:11:38] <jopi> hi all [18:11:39] <boxix> why don't i get "time nice -20 awk script" run longer than whithout nice ? [18:12:39] <Berny_> maybe your box is too idle anyway? [18:12:54] <boxix> right [18:14:24] <boxix> when charging the cpu at 50% i get my awk consuming the rest -> 0 idle [18:15:03] <boxix> although nice -20 doesn't help me to run it cooly [18:15:56] *** calumb has quit IRC [18:17:39] <darrenm> boxix: whats the problem you are trying to solve ? [18:18:01] <richlowe> Hm. [18:18:07] <richlowe> bootadm buggered this up something royal. [18:18:58] <darrenm> boxix: if what you want is running the machine at lower power so that it is cooler and quieter then you want power management not chaning the process priorities, see: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/power/ [18:21:35] <richlowe> alright so, lu only left entries for 2 of 4 BEs, bootadm did most of the right thing and only ammended the active one, but added (bootadm created) entries for (what I assume to be) the current BE (which was already there through lu). [18:21:40] <richlowe> if this boots, the above description is right, and I'll file a bug. [18:23:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:26:20] *** nostoi has quit IRC [18:26:57] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [18:31:59] *** flowtech has quit IRC [18:33:12] <boxix> i only want to consume less cpu per time unit ... [18:34:37] *** MattMan has quit IRC [18:35:28] *** gdamore has quit IRC [18:35:48] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris [18:40:48] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [18:40:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [18:41:57] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:46:46] <CIA-22> Danek Duvall: 6518485 SUNWxsvc can't upgrade [18:49:35] * nachox is pissed at openldap [18:54:28] *** CosmicDJ_ has joined #OpenSolaris [18:57:37] <oxygene> nachox: yay, another one.. I made it a habit to run db_recover on its databases in my smf configs [19:00:43] *** damienc has quit IRC [19:02:43] *** peteh has quit IRC [19:04:44] *** darrenm has quit IRC [19:06:29] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC [19:10:01] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [19:10:51] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [19:11:35] *** flyinglunatic has joined #opensolaris [19:12:10] *** Saltsa has quit IRC [19:12:20] *** kloczek has quit IRC [19:13:49] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris [19:15:55] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [19:20:10] <dclarke> question : let's suppose I am in the middle of a zone install and I hit CTRL-C [19:20:22] <dclarke> do I need to totally blow away that zone and start over [19:20:27] <dclarke> or can I continue [19:20:42] <dclarke> like .. is there a state databasethat tracks the completions of the install [19:21:24] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [19:22:07] *** Saltsa has joined #opensolaris [19:29:17] *** nachox has left #opensolaris [19:32:26] *** onlinebacon has joined #opensolaris [19:32:29] <onlinebacon> hey [19:33:00] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [19:35:35] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [19:35:42] <bubbva> join #s10u4 [19:35:54] <sommerfeld> uh? [19:35:55] <bubbva> crap - wrong window :-) [19:36:28] <bubbva> xchat took focus away after I started typing somethhing in anothr xchat window :) [19:38:56] <dclarke> what's the current target date for "release sol 11, drop sol 8" ?? [19:40:02] <alanc> dclarke: drop Solaris 8 is already happening [19:40:13] <dclarke> thats Last Ship Date [19:40:15] <alanc> as for release Solaris 11, if you find out, let me know [19:40:18] <dclarke> when is EOSL [19:40:27] <dclarke> +5 yrs ? [19:40:31] <alanc> EOSL for Solaris is Last Ship Date + 5 years [19:40:44] <dclarke> okay .. thats what I thought [19:41:34] <alanc> http://www.sun.com/service/eosl/solaris/solaris_vintage_eol_5.2005.xml [19:41:50] <alanc> Solaris 8 EOSL = 03/31/12 [19:42:21] <alanc> heh - hadn't seen before that "Vintage" support was renamed "Retirement" support [19:43:07] <richlowe> alanc: the assumption being by the time you drop 8 support, you all will have ;) [19:43:14] <alanc> is Solaris 7 now in a nursing home collecting on it's pension? [19:44:18] <alanc> well, time to go to work [19:44:20] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [19:46:57] <dclarke> damn .. there was a nice chart for release dates [19:47:00] <dclarke> somewhere [19:47:08] <richlowe> dclarke: on the support pages. [19:47:17] <richlowe> I don't know *where* on them, but that's where it was. :) [19:47:18] <dclarke> yeah .. somewhere in there [19:47:24] <dclarke> yep .. me too [19:51:50] *** kFuQ has quit IRC [19:54:13] *** logic_ has quit IRC [19:55:58] <axisys> on my sol 8 sysdef -i | grep "maximum processes" shows 200 [19:56:16] <axisys> how do i increase it? what parameter on /etc/system? [19:56:28] <axisys> lasseoe: please dont man me :-) [19:57:32] <quasi> axisys: if you don't want to read man pages, then perhaps you should start asking in the relevant channel [19:57:59] *** karrotx has quit IRC [19:58:18] <axisys> quasi: hehe [19:58:26] <axisys> quasi: i googled it [19:58:29] <axisys> quasi: thnx [20:00:06] <dojtoll> Will all drivers for Solaris 10 work on Solaris Express? [20:01:35] <axisys> how do i increase `maxuprc' without rebooting the server.. [20:01:45] <e^ipi> i shy away from saying they'll *all* work [20:01:58] <e^ipi> but i'm running a handful of sol10 drivers on my machines [20:03:55] <dojtoll> ok [20:04:04] <dojtoll> I'll try with OpenSolaris. [20:04:16] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [20:04:24] <dojtoll> If it wont work, I just install Solars. [20:04:27] <dojtoll> Solaris even. [20:04:29] <oxygene> dojtoll: it depends on if those drivers only use interfaces whose stability is garanteed (or incidentally didn't change incompatibly) [20:04:47] <dclarke> ooh .. what is a AMD Opteron 856 ? [20:04:51] <dclarke> 2.6 GHz ? [20:04:56] <dclarke> dual core obviously [20:05:24] <dojtoll> oxygene: ok [20:06:16] <dojtoll> Hade som trubbles with getting a Emulex LP9002DC to work. [20:11:44] *** kFuQ has joined #opensolaris [20:16:32] <axisys> i got it.. [20:16:37] <axisys> i had to use this adb -w -k /dev/ksyms /dev/mem [20:16:59] <axisys> then modify the value to 250 like this [20:17:01] <axisys> v+0x1c/W0xfa [20:18:00] *** dwc- has joined #opensolaris [20:25:22] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [20:28:09] <ofu> opteron 856 is 3.0 ghz dual-core [20:28:53] <dclarke> 3.0 GHZ ? [20:29:15] <dclarke> those numbers are weird [20:29:23] <dclarke> Opteron Model 890 is 2.8GHz [20:29:34] <dclarke> and 856 is 3.0 GHz ? [20:30:03] <dclarke> X4053A-Z AMD Opteron Model 890, 2.8 MHz, 1M Dual Core Processor, Must be ordered in pairs, RoHS-5 Compliant [20:30:11] <stevel> tpenta: ping [20:30:32] <dclarke> AMD Opteron 875 = 2.2 GHz I think ... [20:31:21] *** elektronkind has joined #opensolaris [20:31:30] <elektronkind> hola [20:31:31] <sickness> 2.8 MHz <- omg more than twice the speed of a 6501 !!! [20:31:32] <sickness> ghgh [20:31:33] <sickness> :) [20:32:18] <dclarke> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_9240,00.html [20:32:29] *** onlinebacon has quit IRC [20:33:43] <coffman> dclarke: any launch dates for tetrapower and Pegasos 8641D yet? [20:34:01] <dclarke> I can get the motherboard for the tetrapower now [20:34:05] <sickness> what are those things?!? [20:34:10] <dclarke> but its not in general release yet [20:34:23] <dclarke> Power 970 chip based [20:40:08] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [20:42:14] *** alfism has quit IRC [20:42:39] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [20:43:25] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [20:43:36] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [20:43:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [20:45:08] <coffman> tetrapower will be a microbtx board with dual ibm power 970 cpus, ddr2 memory, 16x and 4x pci-exp slots and broadcom ht-2000 or ht1000 chipset that brings you 4xsata, 4xusb 2.0 and 2 pci slots [20:45:26] <dclarke> yeh .. it rocks [20:46:08] <coffman> looks very greate [20:46:13] <sickness> cute =) [20:46:34] <sickness> unfortunately, no opensolaris for ppc970... [20:48:13] *** tsoome has quit IRC [20:48:27] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [20:49:05] <coffman> "Pegasos 8641D" will be a micro atx board for a freescale "MPC8641D Dual-Core Processor" with ddr2, 4xgigabit ethernet, 8x and 4x pci-exp slots,ULi M1575 Southbridge with 4xsata, 1xpata,4xusb 2.0,2xpci,ac97 audio [20:49:37] *** Dar is now known as Dar_HOME [20:50:10] <sickness> wasn't ULi bought by nVidia? [20:50:11] *** sigstop has joined #opensolaris [20:50:12] <coffman> this one looks even more promising since the specs look like it would be more "low cost" [20:51:31] <delewis> dclarke, any luck on locating that Ultra 80 memory? [20:51:39] <dclarke> not really [20:51:51] <dclarke> can't find it .. but then again .. I have beeen busy as hell with life [20:52:12] <delewis> no problem :-) [20:52:18] <sigstop> Hi. Solaris 10 is stalling in this boot, whereas it has worked just fine and processed terabytes before with this setup. I'm running under VMware emulation. Processes like 'sync' 'df' 'uptime' and 'dmesg' are stalling, but 'ps -a -ef' is not. I'm logged in at the text-based console. I've not seen any error reports from the 'dmesg' process that last ran. In the background a long-standing zfs send/receive operation was going on. [20:52:53] <dclarke> barf ... Sol 10 under VMWare [20:52:59] <dclarke> been there done that [20:53:02] <dclarke> never again [20:56:18] <delewis> ugh, sellers who wait 2-3 days to ship an item despite 2-day shipping being requested and paid for. [20:56:28] <delewis> two-day shipping sort of implies "I want this ASAP" [20:56:32] *** e^ipi_ has joined #opensolaris [20:56:32] *** e^ipi has quit IRC [20:57:59] <delewis> I can't really complain, though. (I think) I got a fairly good deal on this notebook. [20:58:19] <sigstop> Well, that's about all I can do for now. :( Now sshd is frozen as well as my console login. No disk I/O. So, just can reboot now. Are there any hot keys I can press to at least try to do something like a last minute sync? [20:58:34] *** e^ipi_ is now known as e^ipi [21:01:12] *** logic_ has quit IRC [21:03:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [21:10:01] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [21:11:49] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC [21:13:07] *** sigstop has quit IRC [21:14:46] <dclarke> FYI to anyone that cares ... never create a large zone on UFS without ufslogging on that filesystem : http://rafb.net/p/gQz3ot65.html [21:16:18] <Doc> dclarke: while you're at it, dont bang your head against a brick wall [21:16:41] * dclarke writes that down on a post it note [21:17:35] <Doc> well it's about as logical a think to do as what you're doing :) [21:18:20] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [21:18:27] <comay> dclarke: sorry, i'm missing what the page is showing. it appears it installed correctly [21:18:47] <dclarke> it took two hours [21:18:52] <dclarke> you can't see that ! [21:21:07] <comay> ah, ok - i thought it might have been that but i didn't see a time(1) there [21:22:15] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [21:22:29] * coffman wonders when does they fix liveupdate to work propper with zfs :/ [21:22:30] <dclarke> well .. I am going to unmount that fs and remount with logging enabled [21:26:01] <tomww> coffman: many are waiting for zfs-boot. this will help with liveupdate much. [21:26:12] <coffman> yeah [21:26:33] <coffman> since this is more way of... [21:28:26] <coffman> i wonder how easy it would be to put that boot stuff on an cf-card so that i could put a whole-disk-zfs on my hds, and if i would do so would it be possible to use "any" kind of zpool? [21:28:45] <dclarke> question .. what are my options for mounting a filesystem other than onerror=panic ? [21:28:52] <dclarke> man mount_ufs may help eh ? [21:29:01] <tomww> oh, I did a USB-Stick boot around a year ago [21:30:19] <coffman> point is, i dont want to waste ports and spaces for hds in a system "just" for bootdisks [21:30:52] <tomww> so, if you have a proper mainboard support for booting off of usb or a usb-cardreader with a CF_Card, then the only thing should be to copy a ufs-based installation over (the external storage would hold some files needed for the boot). [21:31:02] <tomww> true. [21:31:13] <Doc> fairly sure the onerror= stuff still doesnt work [21:32:02] <dclarke> onerror = action where The default is panic [21:32:03] <coffman> usb boot support is not needed cause there a cf to ide adapters around [21:32:28] <dclarke> my other options are lock or umount [21:32:33] <dclarke> they are all nasty [21:35:36] <sommerfeld> onerror=keep_stumbling_as_if_nothing_had_happened wouldn't pass muster. [21:35:51] <tomww> coffman: standard ide could be a better choice, it's would make the bios support for usb-boot needless. And it would give fixed device-paths to the CF_Card [21:37:13] <coffman> if i have a zpool with to mirrors on it, one with two 400gb disk "whole disk" zfs and one with two 80gb none "whole disk" zfs - how would the performance be? [21:38:04] <charlieS> don't give ZFS partitions.. [21:38:35] <charlieS> oh, you're just saying that one mirror is smaller. [21:38:44] <dclarke> sommerfeld : I was looking for onerror=la la la I don't see a problem la la la I don't want to know la la la [21:39:02] <coffman> jap, i would have one mirror on slices [21:41:37] <sommerfeld> dclarke: same thing as "keep on stumbling" [21:42:02] <dclarke> is not [21:42:58] <richlowe> Sure it is. [21:43:04] <dclarke> is not [21:43:09] <richlowe> "Something is wrong, and I want to ignore it and hope my toes don't catch fire" [21:43:33] <sommerfeld> let's have an argument rather than contradiction. [21:43:39] <dclarke> no [21:43:42] <dclarke> your wrong [21:43:55] * dclarke was hoping someone would catch the Monty Python theme [21:44:23] <richlowe> I'm too used to intended baseless contradiction to make inferences of humour :) [21:44:40] *** pikapika has joined #opensolaris [21:44:44] <dclarke> http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm [21:45:13] <coffman> charlieS: no partions or no slices? [21:45:46] *** sartek has quit IRC [21:46:08] <pikapika> hello [21:49:37] *** nyahMcBofh has joined #opensolaris [21:49:48] *** nyahMcBofh is now known as McBofh [21:50:58] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [21:51:06] <gdamore> hi * [21:51:08] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [21:51:44] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/OO7mcv87.html system/dbus:default failed fatally [21:52:36] *** karrotx has quit IRC [21:53:28] <dclarke> bloody snv_55b zone seems messy http://rafb.net/p/8CIVmE35.html [21:55:00] <schily_> good night.... [21:55:09] <coffman> o [21:55:12] *** schily_ is now known as schily [21:55:15] <coffman> this lock broke [21:55:48] <schily> I know I did not do my homework and read the opensolaris mailing list thread on SATA controllers..... [21:55:56] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [21:56:09] <schily> Does anyone know which SATA controllers work with Nevada? [21:56:12] <dclarke> schily : hello [21:56:21] <postwait_> I am running s10u3. I did a zfs clone/zfs promote and then a zfs destroy on the snapshot [21:56:26] <postwait_> And zfs destory core dumps [21:56:40] <dclarke> schily : perhaps the SATA controllers in the T1000 or T2000 are a good example ? [21:56:53] <dclarke> schily : at least .. I think that those are SATA [21:56:56] <postwait_> in qsort (in zfs_vertex_sort_edges) [21:57:07] <dojtoll> schily: I've used a controller with SIL3112 chipset. Works fins. Also the nforce-chipset works fine for me. [21:57:14] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [21:57:27] <comay> dclarke: some of those are known issues. the postrun is offline since the post-installation gnome things are being done [21:57:33] <lloy0076> Is there any sane way to unremove JDS if one's installed it? [21:57:47] <comay> the dbus issue is 6466379 svc:/system/dbus:default goes into maintenance mode in zones [21:57:48] <gdamore> schily: I've not tried nevada on it, but the controller on the VIA C7 works fine in IDE compat mode. [21:57:49] <dclarke> lloy0076 : pkginfo | grep -i gnome [21:57:55] <sickness> schily: if for "work" you mean being in "cfgadm" output, I think only the sil3124 and the marvell [21:58:08] <richlowe> and the AHCI bits these days. [21:58:10] <dclarke> lloy0076 : then pkgrm all those [21:58:23] <richlowe> but that definition of 'work' is native SATA via sata framework, rather than IDE compat. [21:58:24] <dclarke> comay : is this something I care about for Oracle ? [21:58:25] <sickness> schily: if for "work" you mean being able to write/read on the disks, pretty every sata controller on the market, but in pata emulation mode... [21:58:28] <richlowe> rather than "actually function for I/O" [21:58:39] <schily> OK, so the problem might be to find out which controller uses which chipset [21:58:44] <comay> the printer issue is 5100134 print/rfc1179 ends up by default in "offline" state [21:58:51] <sickness> schily: exactly [21:59:02] <postwait_> I think I hit bug: 6447203 [21:59:03] <dclarke> comay : no problem .. there will be no printing here [21:59:06] * lloy0076 thinks a reinstall of ON55 is going to be easier. [21:59:07] <postwait_> it says closed:duplicate [21:59:21] <postwait_> which other bug was the duplicate (I don't see that on bugs.o.org [21:59:22] <comay> dclarke: i don't think so - you can svcadm disable both rfc1179 and dbus in the zone [22:00:00] <schily> If a controller works in ATA compat mode, does this mean it is impossible to connect more than 4 drives to it? [22:00:03] <dclarke> comay : I am old fashioned .. I use svccfg and apply /var/svc/profile/generic_limited_net.xml [22:00:10] *** McBofhnyah has quit IRC [22:00:21] <bubbva> postwait_ it's closed as a duplicate of 6434054 [22:00:24] <dclarke> comay : then I run svcs -xv to see whats left [22:00:45] <bubbva> postwait_ and that was integrated into snv_46 [22:00:55] <dclarke> comay : looks like svc:/system/dbus:default (D-BUS message bus) is hung or busted [22:01:19] <dclarke> schily : will we ever see a new SchilliX ?? [22:01:21] <postwait_> that's my trace... [22:01:30] <sickness> dclarke: ditto [22:01:32] <postwait_> no work around... ga! [22:02:01] <comay> svcadm disable dbus - dbus doesn't currently support non-global zones [22:02:11] <postwait_> Do these patches match against solaris defects? can I use this bug number to try to find a u3 patch? [22:02:14] <dclarke> schily : I'd love to have a new SchilliX based on snv_55 and with no graphics at all [22:02:17] <schily> I did have problems with OpenSolaris last year (till September) [22:02:37] <schily> because it does nto work on old Opetron CPUs [22:02:42] *** lloy0076 has left #opensolaris [22:02:58] <richlowe> most of the patches on sunsolve seem to be keyed on the main bug, rather than the sub-CR, so I'd assume so. [22:03:17] <schily> I needed to buy new chips (now I have 2x Opteron 875) and it works again for me [22:03:20] <richlowe> unless I totally misunderstood that. [22:03:42] <sickness> schily: I think it should work with no problems even with more than 4 ports, because it will see them as 2+2+2+... anyway, for what I know... YMMV [22:03:46] <axisys> how do i rebuild the devlinks on sol 8 without booting? [22:03:48] <coffman> schily: 3112, 3124, nforce onboard, marvell88sx, some intel onboard, some lsi sas controller - and basicly all that got a "ide legacy" mode [22:03:53] * dclarke thinks yayyy .. df works in a zone now [22:04:04] <richlowe> df worked in a zone before. [22:04:11] <richlowe> the reason it behaves somewhat strangley is an artifact of the way lofs works. [22:04:12] <bubbva> postwait_ yes, the same CR number should appear across releases. [22:04:15] <dclarke> no it didn't [22:04:44] <richlowe> dclarke: are you talking about it crossing filesystems even when you tell it not to? [22:04:45] <bubbva> richlowe: subCRs are an artifact of the implementation of our bug management system & should never be customer visible (I know, they've leaked out in places *sigh*) [22:04:46] <schily> ON the other side, I don't have the payed student anymore, I need to work fulltime on a different project and I did work on cdrtools, star and SCCS recently [22:04:59] <postwait_> bubbva: is there an easy way to tell if there is a patch for s10u3 that fixes 6434054? [22:05:32] <dclarke> richlowe : no sir .. just that df -F ufs -k would report nothing sometimes [22:05:49] <dclarke> richlowe : never mind .. I'm an idiot [22:05:54] <bubbva> postwait_ besides searching sunsolve (for you guys), I don't think there is. I can see, though, internally, that the problem is not fixed in s10 yet. [22:06:04] <dclarke> richlowe : if the zone is on ZFS then duh [22:06:18] <dclarke> # df -F ufs -k [22:06:20] <dclarke> Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on [22:06:21] <dclarke> / 11014060 4125828 6557812 39% / [22:06:25] <dclarke> thats a big zone [22:07:08] <bubbva> I don't believe b.o.o exposes subCR workflow to you (we have internal tools that do this) [22:07:17] <richlowe> bubbva: it does, but only slightly. [22:07:38] <richlowe> bubbva: it shows up as such in the Fixed In Build: bit. [22:07:53] <dclarke> I don't think that OpenSolaris exposes a bootablr OS either but I somehow get over that [22:08:17] <bubbva> so, that fix is targeting s10u4 gate right now... [22:08:53] <richlowe> I don't believe it makes any connection from main->sub until they're closed, I suspect sub->main references are visible via See Also. [22:09:06] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [22:09:11] <bubbva> so, patch would be available once U4 RRs... [22:09:16] <richlowe> (attempting to map b.o.o to reality is often a fun diversion...) [22:09:19] <richlowe> for certain values of 'fun' [22:09:24] <lloy0076> Anyone know why "alt+tab" no longer switches now that I've upgraded my JDS? [22:09:34] <schily> I like to connect 24 SATA disks to a single PC, is there any recommended controller? [22:09:49] <sickness> schily: i'd go for the marvell sx88 [22:09:51] <schily> The speed is not so important - 100 MB/s in total would be OK [22:10:06] <sickness> schily: and pay attention to buy the right revision, there's a thread about it... [22:10:13] <postwait_> bubbva: thanks [22:10:26] <postwait_> bubbva: now I'm scared to reboot... [22:10:45] <sickness> schily: 3 pci-x 8port marvell and you are set :P [22:10:52] <coffman> schily: use the marvell one, its the same chipset sun uses in the thumper [22:11:13] <coffman> and it got sata 2 support [22:11:54] <coffman> http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm should work [22:13:36] <schily> I just found Marvell MV88SX6041 on the Solaris HCL list [22:13:47] * jmcp wanders in, yawns [22:13:56] <coffman> http://www.webconnexxion.com/raid/index.php got a good collection and the chip to ger [22:13:57] <richlowe> oi, jmcp. [22:14:17] <jmcp> gday [22:15:07] <coffman> i wonder if anyone tested areca controllers, they seem to have solaris 10 x86/x64 support [22:16:05] <schily> It seems to be hard to buy in Germany.... [22:16:52] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman [22:16:53] <Gman> hey [22:17:05] <jbk> hi [22:17:25] <jmcp> hi [22:17:30] <lloy0076> If one does zoneadm -z azone detach...and then reinstalls everything...does the info that the detach makes stay with the zone in its zonepath or will the reinstall kind of muck things up? [22:17:30] <sickness> schily: I once found a site that was selling it in europe... [22:17:38] <sickness> schily: look at this http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=258223 [22:18:12] <coffman> schily: http://www.webconnexxion.com/raid/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=264 they chip cheap to germany from nl [22:18:37] <sommerfeld> with that many disks i'd worry about enclosures, etc.; [22:18:53] *** Odin-LAP has joined #opensolaris [22:19:11] <schily> This will be build by a person who knows about mechanics [22:19:19] <comay> lloy0076: do you mean if you reinstall the system? [22:19:25] *** glagasse has quit IRC [22:19:40] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC [22:19:53] <jmcp> schily: ... and electrical signal issues? [22:19:59] <comay> a detacted zone has some additonal meta data saved under its <zonepath> that is verified when the zone is attached [22:20:02] <lloy0076> comay: I'd preserver /export/home (where all my preserved stuff is) and then reinstall /usr, /opt etc etc with a normal ON55b installer. [22:20:23] *** LordKing has quit IRC [22:20:34] <lloy0076> comay: I'm trying to find a way of how to easily back out of my JDS "upgrade" without accidentally wiping Gnome out from underneath me [22:20:44] <comay> you should be able to reattach the zone as long as 1) you first configure it after the reinstall is done and 2) you've reinstalled the same OS version [22:20:58] <schily> this is not a big problem with SATA, but a sufficient power supply would be needed [22:21:26] <comay> lloy0076: one of the things that's saved in the metadata is packaging information so you may not be able to reattach the zone later [22:23:07] <lloy0076> comay: It will have come from the same install disk that I'll be using to get myself back to normal. My Solaris zone I'm not worried about (if I lose that, then tough) however my BrandZ Linux zone is the one I want to make sure doesn't go for a walk. [22:23:46] <lloy0076> comay: Even then, I can get that back from scratch (it would just take me a while). [22:30:23] <comay> lloy0076: in that case, you should be okay as no Solaris packaging information is stored for non-native zones [22:32:38] <sickness> little question: can someone advice to me a software that is able to shutdown a solaris machine talking on the serial port to an UPS? [22:33:26] * lloy0076 hmmm [22:33:41] <dclarke> sickness : an APC unit ? [22:33:51] <lloy0076> Anyway, off to work I go! [22:33:52] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [22:34:05] <sickness> dclarke: uhm, nope, doesn't have a brand, but it has a serial port... [22:34:17] <dclarke> that's a toughie [22:34:23] <sickness> dclarke: and I have the docs of the protocol, so if I find a software, maybe I can see if it's compatible... [22:34:30] <sickness> dclarke: yeah, but maybe not... [22:34:39] <dclarke> when in doubt .. write your own [22:34:54] <dclarke> some dilly daemon that polls the serial port every 5 secs [22:34:56] <sickness> heh, I'm simply not able :) [22:34:57] <CIA-22> Vikram Hegde: 6517377 path_get_descriptor_by_name() always returns NULL; 6517388 rcm_daemon_call() may test uninitialized variable [22:35:03] <dclarke> oh .. [22:35:20] <sickness> I'd really prefer to find one that already works, and if necessary try to modify it, why reinvent the wheel? :) [22:35:28] <dclarke> call up Rich Teer .. he cna do that in his sleep [22:35:33] <dclarke> I could if I had the time [22:35:43] <sickness> there's a lot of people using solaris here, I doubt no one uses a serial ups! =) [22:35:54] <richlowe> nut, perhaps? [22:36:09] <dclarke> sickness : I do [22:36:43] <sickness> ok, so, which software do you use to monitor it and in case shutdown solaris? =) [22:36:45] <dclarke> sickness : all my UPS gear is APC however and I use their software [22:36:58] <LeftWing> Net UPS Tools is an alright package, I've heard. [22:37:16] <sickness> k, tnx [22:38:29] *** Odin-LAP has joined #opensolaris [22:39:51] <dclarke> hrmm .. where is the system default locale kept ... /etc/default/foo ? [22:40:02] <jmcp> dclarke: /etc/default/init [22:40:10] <dclarke> yep [22:40:13] <dclarke> had to be [22:40:34] <dclarke> I have the weird situation where LC_ALL=C and also LC_COLLATE=en_US.ISO8859-1 [22:43:46] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [22:43:49] <dclarke> hrm.. brain is .. not .. working [22:44:04] <dclarke> can not recall the efect of CMASK and UMASK when they differ [22:44:25] <dclarke> I have UMASK=027 and CMASK=022 [22:45:03] <sickness> hey maybe I'm lucky, my serial cable has this exact diagram: http://www.fentonups.com/Support___Service/Cables___Comm_Info/cables___comm_info.html maybe I will be able to make it work with http://www.networkupstools.org ... [22:46:24] <schily> hat is CMASK? [22:46:45] <dclarke> makes me scrath my head also [22:46:53] <dclarke> Creation Mask ? [22:46:58] <dclarke> UMASK I know [22:47:25] <schily> umask is known... [22:47:34] <jmcp> dclarke: man init(1m) - it's covered there [22:47:39] <dclarke> it is not referenced in any man pages [22:47:56] <dclarke> oops [22:48:34] <dclarke> jmcp : thank you ! [22:48:48] <jmcp> yw [22:49:13] *** twincest has quit IRC [22:49:20] <dclarke> ha ha ... wild .. [22:49:44] <dclarke> even though I have LINES=24 COLUMNS=80 TERM=vt100 when I type man -s 1m init it rips up the screen like mad [22:49:59] <dclarke> the zlogin console thing seems to be unaware of LINES or TERM [22:50:15] <schily> aha, so CMASK= is used in /etc/default/init for umack() [22:50:16] <schily> aha, so CMASK= is used in /etc/default/init for umask() [22:50:50] <elektronkind> huh [22:51:08] <elektronkind> I'm getting hits to my stk 6140 rant from sun.com, stortek.com, and engenio.com [22:51:19] * elektronkind runs for cover [22:53:19] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/man/init_1m.html [22:54:41] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [22:55:37] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [22:55:41] *** _syphilis_ has joined #opensolaris [22:55:42] <AbeFroman> url? [22:55:45] <jmcp> elektronkind: what's the url? [22:56:02] * dclarke nudges elektronkind [22:56:04] <elektronkind> http://elektronkind.org/2007/01/sun-storagetek-6140-buyer-beware/ [22:56:08] <jmcp> ta [22:56:17] <elektronkind> the ordeal put me in a bad mood [22:57:51] <elektronkind> I know IBM uses the same Engenio base chassis, as does Blue Arc and others, but the whole marketing terminology thing getting in the way and having to pay for the privilege of masking luns really irritates me [22:58:33] <elektronkind> plus the early rev of 6140 docs I read before buying this seemed to confuse the whole "what is Storage Domains, really" issue. [22:59:20] <quasi> elektronkind: thanks for the warning [22:59:49] <elektronkind> no problem [23:00:05] <elektronkind> I just wish that, on the storage side of things, sun had feature continuity [23:00:05] * quasi crosses 6140 off the list [23:00:20] <dclarke> elektronkind : if it makes you feel any better I speced out a storage solution for a telco company based on Apple X-Serve units [23:00:41] <elektronkind> dclarke: beware. those no longer do lun masking either. [23:00:48] <dclarke> elektronkind : they looked at me like I was a nut .. I was speeccing SunFire gear and then Apple X-Serve units ? [23:00:58] <dclarke> elektronkind : say what ? [23:01:03] <elektronkind> dclarke: we use Xraids (as I call them) here too. [23:01:34] <dclarke> elektronkind : I did tell them that Sun was so fu#$ked up in terms of storage that they couldn't get their own people to do it right so they bought a storage company to screw up also [23:01:35] <AbeFroman> wtf. you get the car for $100 but the steering wheel costs $20000 [23:01:48] <elektronkind> dclarke: the story with the xraids is a very recent development. Apple removed Lun masking in the new firmwair/RAID Admin management app that was released last week. [23:01:53] <jmcp> elektronkind: running s10 or nv on those boxes attached to the 6140? [23:02:13] <elektronkind> elektronkind: unfortunately no. most of them are s10, but we have windows as well [23:02:14] <dclarke> but they did go with the SunFire SF6900 units because those "just rock" [23:02:17] <quasi> there's a difference in the apples - you can't even buy the feature [23:02:30] <elektronkind> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=828844&tstart=0 [23:02:34] <elektronkind> read that, dclarke [23:02:44] <elektronkind> I'm "Dale Ghent" in that thread [23:02:45] <dclarke> the other really large disappointment is ZFS and NFS put together [23:03:15] <gdamore> this is not the only case I know of for feature discontinuity with sun products. [23:03:23] <LeftWing> dclarke: Why is that disappointing? [23:03:30] <elektronkind> jmcp: if all the serves I had slated to use the 6140 were mine and they were all s10, I'd implement target filtering in fp.conf [23:03:43] <dclarke> because its screwed for performance [23:03:50] <elektronkind> jmcp: but alas, the situation precludes doing that :/ [23:03:51] <gdamore> but it _is_ the only case i know of where Sun decided to charge for the feature instead of just dropping it altogether [23:04:10] <jmcp> elektronkind: :( [23:04:41] <jmcp> elektronkind: istr though that the qla and lpfc drivers do some sort of lun masking as well ... so you might not be totally S.O.L. [23:04:47] *** benr has joined #opensolaris [23:04:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benr [23:04:53] <dclarke> I have a plan .. let's start a violent bloody revolt and just book appointments with marketing managers and then drag them into the hall way and mess them up [23:05:11] <dclarke> maybe they will get the message when their nose is broken [23:05:29] <dclarke> crap like that hurts everyone and that means little guys trying to make a living [23:05:42] <benr> know i remember why i missed irc. [23:06:12] * dclarke chuckles [23:06:23] * dclarke chuckles in an evil fashion [23:06:24] <benr> stevel, ping. [23:06:36] <benr> dclarke, question for you actually... [23:06:43] <dclarke> uh huh ? [23:06:54] * dclarke braces himself [23:06:55] <benr> dclarke, any plans for pkg-get to not force a complete upgrade when a single dependancy is out of date? [23:07:12] * dclarke braces himself even further with scotch [23:07:25] <elektronkind> yeah, Apple's and Engenio's LUN masking moves perflex me. It seems as far as they're concerened, features are not really a competitive advantage anymore. [23:07:33] <dclarke> well ... thats a toughie that Phil and I talk/squabble about [23:07:37] <elektronkind> s/perflex/perplex [23:07:56] <dclarke> benr : ultimately we feel that we need a new package management tool [23:08:00] <elektronkind> I have half a mind to write Bonwick about this type of stuff [23:08:05] <dclarke> benr : the best work around that I can give you is this [23:08:10] <benr> dclarke, any eta or idea on how taht'll go? [23:08:37] <dclarke> benr : its a long process .. we need to write from scratch and I'm not going to do it with shell scripts or perl .. its pure C [23:08:48] <dclarke> benr : let me give you an easy workaround [23:09:02] <dclarke> benr : and .. I need to update the HOWTO page .. it sucks [23:09:11] <dclarke> benr : do you haev a machine handy ? [23:09:12] <jmcp> elektronkind: do so [23:09:39] <dclarke> benr : oh also .. if you use ibiblio.org as your mirror .. please stop that .. it sucks also [23:09:54] <dclarke> benr : run /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -U [23:10:05] <_syphilis_> dclarke: why not adapt an existing tool like apt-get? [23:10:14] <dclarke> benr : then /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -c | grep -v Not | grep -v SAME [23:10:34] <dclarke> _syphilis_ : I'd rather start hard drugs in my life .. thank you but no [23:10:51] <dclarke> benr : you will get a list of packages out of date [23:11:03] <dclarke> benr : are you following me here ? [23:11:10] <benr> yes. [23:11:13] <benr> I'm grumbling. [23:11:15] <benr> :) [23:11:31] <dclarke> benr : thats okay .. this is a simple feature that will go into pkg-get [23:11:43] <dclarke> benr : soonish [23:11:52] <dclarke> benr : once you get that out of sync list [23:12:06] <dclarke> benr : pick the ONE package that bugs you [23:12:13] <dclarke> benr : ok ? [23:12:23] <stevel> benr: pong [23:12:26] <benr> as a side note, any plans to stop supporting Solaris 8? or not requiring both SPARC and X86 packages? [23:12:29] <dclarke> benr : then run /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -d packagename [23:12:37] <axisys> i have a 450 with two disk in mirror.. i am having issue to use on of those disk to start a netra t1 [23:12:45] <benr> stevel, dinner for 56 SX:CR? [23:12:51] <benr> clean trade? :) [23:12:52] * dclarke drinks a double of scotch in one smooth swallow [23:12:57] <stevel> lol [23:13:06] <stevel> not up to me man... it's a different team [23:13:11] <comay> benr: heya ben. sorry i missed your preso last week [23:13:20] <richlowe> stevel: who *does* do that stuff? [23:13:25] <axisys> breaking the mirro was easy and changing the vfstab [23:13:26] <benr> comay, heh, you didn't miss much. ;) [23:13:27] <dclarke> benr : holy crap .. I have been waging HOLY JIHAD inside Blastwave to get everyone one to drop sun4m and to move forward now .. please [23:13:38] <stevel> richlowe: a team that is seemingly determined to not present any sort of public interface of any kind [23:13:39] *** detriment is now known as movement [23:13:42] <richlowe> stevel: the random delay between internal availablity and external interests me. [23:13:50] <axisys> but booting the netra t1 with that keep giving me not found /sbin and /usr/sbin [23:13:53] <dclarke> benr : I am ready to FORK actually [23:13:54] <comay> benr: from the Gman transcript, it sounds like it went really well [23:13:57] <richlowe> since it's, well, random in the most literal of senses, excluding when respins delay things. [23:14:00] <stevel> there apparently is a lot of SDLC delay [23:14:08] <stevel> i don't know why [23:14:08] <benr> dclarke, currently at Joyent we're using our own internal mirror so that we can provide up to date packages that aren't present in Blastwave. [23:14:11] <benr> such as, like, Python. [23:14:14] <dclarke> benr : and drag in a new project that is exclusive to Solaris 10 and Solaris Nevada [23:14:16] <axisys> i ran fsck couple times.. also made sure root disk /dev/dsk/c1t0d0s0 [23:14:18] <stevel> i've been trying to argue with them for a while on it [23:14:28] <Gman> richlowe: there must be enough people connected to that team to be able to give more public information about delays [23:14:36] <dclarke> benr : nice of you to contribute back ya know ... [23:14:39] <richlowe> stevel: punch os.org through to nana, and hope nobody notices ;) [23:14:44] <Auralis> http://fun.drno.de/pics/windoof/which_vista.gif [23:14:52] <dclarke> benr : yeah Python is an ugly duckling [23:14:59] * Gman thinks parts of nana should be public too [23:15:12] <dclarke> benr : would be nice of you to submit the package to the newpkgs directory on Blastwave [23:15:36] <dclarke> benr : in any case .. you download the one package that you want locally and then pkgrm CSWfoo [23:15:44] <jmcp> Auralis: thanks for that link ... [23:15:51] <dclarke> benr : then pkgad d-d ./CSWfoo.pkg etc etc [23:15:58] * jmcp forwards link to brother who's been keen to show me Vista @ every opportunity ... [23:16:10] <Auralis> jmcp: hehe [23:16:18] <benr> Honestly, I want to contribute a lot to Blastwave, but being forced to build both X86 and SPARC on Solaris 8 is just painful. [23:16:29] <stevel> richlowe: yeah, then i can join you in the non-sun community after i get fired :-P [23:16:31] <benr> I can crank out X86 Nevada packages without missing a beat. [23:16:40] <benr> but Sol8/SPARC builds are evil. [23:16:47] <dclarke> benr : exactly why I am forking [23:16:48] <stevel> and we can both bitch to all the sun folks about how the process sucks for non-sun people [23:16:56] <Gman> heh [23:17:05] <Jiko_> there's no build servers for blastwave? [23:17:06] <jmcp> I can join in too, from the sidelines [23:17:10] <dclarke> benr : you can expect a new project site up in a few weeks [23:17:18] <benr> dclarke, awesome. [23:17:24] <dclarke> Jiko_ : I have tons [23:17:36] *** nostoi has quit IRC [23:17:41] <dclarke> benr : I have allocated about $30,000 for the project [23:17:48] <benr> wha!? [23:17:49] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [23:17:55] <dclarke> benr : at the moment its just a shell site .. more coming soon [23:17:56] *** _william_ has quit IRC [23:18:04] <Jiko_> dclarke: with Debian you don't have to compile it yourself on all archs, there's an auto build system [23:18:04] <benr> why do you need $30,000? [23:18:06] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [23:18:14] <Jiko_> there's something like a dozen archs supported, so no way would you do it yourself [23:18:18] <elektronkind> $30k in Canadian Tire money?? ... that's alot for this [23:18:34] *** Jiko_ is now known as Jiko [23:18:35] <_william_> hi all [23:18:40] <dclarke> benr : bandwidth at $2000/month costs money and I need to host a full rack of gear .. I also have access to the Sun GRID for this [23:18:52] <elektronkind> wow [23:18:57] <Gman> stevel, are there any real plans to make the process not suck for non-sun people? [23:19:00] <dclarke> benr : I signed off on agreements with Sun last year and we started a while ago [23:19:18] <elektronkind> dclarke: if that were to be mirrored, how much space do you think would be required? [23:19:19] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [23:19:26] <stevel> gman: nope. we've specifically designed our development process to screw richlowe [23:19:36] <Gman> stevel, nice ;) [23:19:40] <dclarke> elektronkind : a full rack at least .. [23:19:51] <Gman> stevel, should really be saying 'be nice' [23:19:52] <richlowe> Hey, I wasn't the one complaining about SX:CR (56)! [23:20:16] <Gman> stevel, i want to know who to hassle when i'm over there next week [23:20:22] <dclarke> benr : I don't do things in a small way [23:20:31] <stevel> about the development process? or the SXCE release process? [23:20:45] <Gman> stevel, the not suck part. [23:20:46] <richlowe> Gman: bitch at stevel, works for me ;) [23:20:49] <dclarke> in any case I am working on Oracle on snv_55b here [23:20:50] <richlowe> Gman: he enjoys it really. [23:21:22] <stevel> gman: right, but do you want to hassle about the SXCE release process not sucking? or the development process not sucking? [23:21:31] <stevel> i thought you meant development process originally - but maybe i'm confused [23:21:49] <stevel> because we've designed the development process to screw richlowe - not the SXCE release process. that was designed to screw everyone non-Sun [23:21:52] <Gman> stevel, probably a bit of evening [23:22:03] <richlowe> stevel: the dev. process screws everyone. [23:22:08] <richlowe> stevel: I'm just the only one bitching in public, so far. [23:22:29] * dclarke puts hand up [23:22:29] <stevel> richlowe: true - but you're the only one who says anything in public; so we're specifically targetting you ;-) [23:22:42] * dclarke is not being screwed [23:22:44] <stevel> i'm an engineer - i have very specific goals and targets [23:25:08] *** jesse-jads has quit IRC [23:25:28] <richlowe> glad to be of service, then. :) [23:25:49] <stevel> you give me something to shoot for [23:25:52] <stevel> or shoot at [23:25:53] <stevel> whichever [23:25:55] <stevel> :-P [23:28:41] * g4lt-U60 pictures stevel as a terrran marine "gimme somethin to shoot" [23:29:43] <coffman> benr: you guys are using blastwave at joyent? oh dear [23:30:25] <dlg> noone uses pkgsrc? [23:30:36] <asyd> I use it [23:30:50] <dlg> hows that work out for you? [23:31:04] * coffman notes pmpkg.. [23:31:52] <asyd> very nice. [23:32:33] <dlg> k [23:32:50] <coffman> dclarke: so the new "system" of urs is that what the sun people are talking about when they say "we have something coming"? [23:32:54] <asyd> (but I don't have lot of requirements) [23:34:38] <benr> coffman, pkgsrc is something we considered but its too prone to issues in a production enviroment. Its a great power-user system or even if your managing packages for someone else, but putting pkgsrc in the hands of new users isn't good. [23:34:46] <benr> and Sun's CCD/SFW projects are a joke. [23:34:54] <benr> Blastwave isn't perfect, but its the best there is. [23:35:02] <benr> and users really seem to like it. [23:35:37] <Gman> steleman's going to fix ccd/sfw! [23:35:44] * steleman snorts [23:35:55] <coffman> benr: did u looked at pmpkg? http://openbios.org/~oxygene/projects/Projects/pmpkg [23:36:06] <richlowe> Gman: and everyone will work together and improve things! [23:36:19] * steleman snorts coke [23:36:35] <benr> coffman, no, looks decent. [23:36:38] <steleman> ahhh, the colors ... [23:36:39] <benr> building packages isn't hard. [23:36:41] <Gman> richlowe, hawhaw [23:36:46] <dlg> pkgsrc would be ok if netbsd took it a bit more seriously and actually tested on the platforms they list as supported [23:36:51] <benr> its building an easy to use repo and distributing them. [23:39:00] *** jmcp has quit IRC [23:39:17] <coffman> to me all that systems like blastwave, openpkg and pkgsrc looking borked since they use there own userland [23:39:28] *** McBofhnyah has joined #opensolaris [23:40:37] <coffman> and blastwave (the only one i realy tried, yeah blame me) is realy annoying when it comes to dependencies [23:42:13] <Gman> that's the problem with supporting multiple platforms/releases [23:42:34] <richlowe> You have two competing problems, really on that scale of things. [23:42:46] <richlowe> you either do what blastwave does, or you use way more resources to build your stuff. [23:43:11] <postwait> We manage our own packaging here. But the only reason it isn't hard is that we don't deal with any of the distribution problems. [23:43:25] <Gman> or you target a single release [23:43:26] <postwait> We're pleasing an audience of one (corporation) [23:43:51] <postwait> you acutally don't use much resources to build things yourself. [23:44:01] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [23:44:04] <postwait> as you'd likely not target a wide audience... [23:44:07] <dclarke> hello .. what ? [23:44:16] <coffman> well, i started using pmpkg since the debuging blastwave things was such a huge pain [23:44:35] <dclarke> coffman : hey .. blastwave is free .. quit yer bitchin [23:44:50] <postwait> blastwave is nice. [23:45:05] <dclarke> well in a sec .. the site will be down [23:45:08] <richlowe> Gman: blastwave do. [23:45:09] <dclarke> this is a test [23:45:10] <richlowe> Gman: it just happens to be 8 ;) [23:45:13] <dclarke> for just a sec ... [23:45:32] <dclarke> or .. not .. nope .. never mind [23:46:02] <Gman> richlowe, and 9 and 10, no? [23:46:30] <richlowe> Gman: they build on 8 and rely on the ABI compat for it to work on later, iirc. [23:46:33] <richlowe> that's the root of the problem in fact. [23:46:45] <Gman> ahh [23:46:46] <dclarke> what problem ? [23:46:46] <coffman> sure - whats not so nice is that blastwave does not provide the patches that they use or that there build scripts [23:46:57] <dclarke> bullshit [23:47:00] <richlowe> dclarke: oh, the whole 'sucking in duplicate stuff to satisfy blastwave deps' thing. [23:47:07] * dclarke gets technical [23:47:20] <richlowe> Ok, if what I said above isn't the case, stop sucking in duplicate stuff as dependencies. [23:47:32] <dclarke> richlowe : that would be because I need to ensure that a core install will work [23:48:04] <dclarke> richlowe : also .. Sun has no plans to actually do anything with open source software anywyas [23:48:22] *** McBofh has quit IRC [23:48:40] <dclarke> richlowe : so when you have something simple like bash .. you get screwed up a bit because its diff versions in Solaris 8 and 9 and 10 and SXCR [23:49:00] <Gman> 'sun has no plans to actually do anything with open source software' [23:49:03] <Gman> whu? [23:49:15] <dclarke> Gman : wake up and smell the coffee [23:49:27] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [23:49:31] <Gman> i'm clearly missing something [23:49:34] <richlowe> I'd prefer whisky. [23:49:37] <alanc> Gman: I guess you and I don't really work here [23:49:38] <dclarke> Gman : you miss everything [23:49:39] <richlowe> though maybe not when waking up. [23:49:41] <benr> you woke alan. [23:49:46] <richlowe> alanc: you mostly seem to slack on IRC ;) [23:49:51] * benr waves to alanc [23:49:55] <alanc> well, yeah [23:50:01] <Gman> dclarke, seemingly [23:50:04] <postwait> So, I hit bug 6434054 [23:50:06] <dclarke> Gman : as I understand it .. you primary plan in life is to re-wrap GNOME as JDS right ? [23:50:15] <postwait> And I've got a zfs fs and snpshot that I can't delete. [23:50:18] <alanc> but between IRC conversations, I do a little work on Xorg [23:50:21] <postwait> Anyone have any ideas on a workaround? [23:50:24] <dclarke> Gman : and you work for .. who? Stephen Harpster ? [23:50:29] <Gman> dclarke, more or less, porting gnome to solaris, improving it, pushing the stuff upstream [23:50:33] <Gman> dclarke, indirectly, yes [23:50:34] <BadKarma> aghr [23:50:53] <postwait> zfs destroy data/zones/foo an zfs destroy data/zones/foo@kcs [23:50:58] <postwait> both seg fault. [23:51:01] <benr> postwait, get all users off the mount, delete the snaps and all depencies (ie: clones) and then remove the dataset. [23:51:03] <dclarke> Gman : okay .. so sti23ck to that and its working well .. you don't concern yourself with PostgreSQL rigth ? [23:51:10] <dclarke> Gman : or KDE ? [23:51:17] * benr runs off for a bit. [23:51:18] <Gman> right [23:51:19] <postwait> benr: I did that, it still segfaults. [23:51:22] <dclarke> Gman : or %million other things% ? [23:51:28] <benr> postwait, which build? [23:51:35] <postwait> it sol10u3 [23:51:40] <dclarke> Gman : so like I said .. you miss everything .. [23:51:53] <postwait> If it was ON, I'd BFU and see if that fixed it [23:52:01] <dclarke> Gman : what I should say .. is .. everything else other than GNOME/JDS [23:52:37] <Gman> [and it's dependencies] [23:52:44] <dclarke> Gman : if open source was of any *real* concern to Sun then we would have JDS/GNOME on shipping Solaris 8 and 9 and 10 [23:52:58] <dclarke> Gman : but we don't [23:53:11] <coffman> aeh [23:53:12] <alanc> GNOME ships on Solaris 8 & 9 [23:53:17] <dclarke> Gman : even though your user/customer base is still largely Solaris 8 looking at Linux [23:53:32] <Gman> there's a different line between caring about open source and business needs [23:53:33] <dclarke> alanc : from the dark ages [23:53:36] <alanc> it's just really ancient [23:53:42] <dclarke> Gman : bingo ! exactly [23:53:43] <Gman> and if you haven't noticed our share price, we're not exactly rolling in cash [23:53:58] <dclarke> Gman : Sun is rolling in cash [23:54:03] <dclarke> Gman : you are not [23:54:12] <dclarke> Gman : let's not mis the two .. you are not Sun [23:54:13] <alanc> if a customer is running Solaris 8, obviously they don't want new features [23:54:28] <dclarke> alanc : they want stability [23:54:40] <coffman> lol [23:54:40] <alanc> right, so they want the 10 year old version of CDE they have [23:54:57] <dclarke> weather you like it or not tons of GOV customers and telco shops and WallStreet are running Solaris 8 .. still [23:55:06] <jmcp> Gman: except for the 4+billion USD that McNealy managed to squirrel away [23:55:15] <dclarke> alanc : CDE means nothing [23:55:30] <dclarke> in fact .. on a Oracle server the JDS/GNOME means even les [23:55:34] <dclarke> less [23:55:35] <jmcp> dclarke: you can only say that cos you're not the US Govt [23:55:42] *** b3stbuddy has joined #opensolaris [23:55:42] <coffman> who needs solaris 8 on a desktop ... [23:55:48] <delewis> dclarke, all government applications use Motif/CDE. [23:55:51] <dclarke> jmcp : no but I have a hell of a pile of stats [23:56:13] <coffman> there is something called eol [23:56:18] <b3stbuddy> whats the difference between opensolaris and solaris? [23:56:21] <dclarke> delewis : the back end server processes .. like tracking apps and database and things like that are not graphical [23:56:26] <delewis> and CDE is still be using my most, if not, 100% of air traffic control towers. [23:56:32] <alanc> a whole bunch of govt. agencies are on 8 because there was no newer option for Trusted until about 2 months ago [23:56:49] <alanc> a big chunk of those are starting to evaluate moving to 10 [23:56:58] <dclarke> in that case it will take them .. a 2 year transition plan to look at the newer trusted Solaris [23:57:04] <delewis> dclarke, the only reason XiG still exists is because of the number of customers that require CDE/Motif. [23:57:17] <Gman> are you trying to justify blastwave or what? i don't get your argument at all :) [23:57:26] <dclarke> delewis : heck .. last time I checked the /usr/ucb stuff was still in ther etoo [23:57:51] <alanc> blastwave exists because Sun screwed up the companion CD so badly in the past [23:57:59] <alanc> and still is for that matter [23:58:00] <dclarke> SunOS ora10g001 5.11 snv_55b i86pc i386 i86pc still has /usr/ucb/ls [23:58:14] <dclarke> Gman : justify ? why would I [23:58:15] <Gman> alanc, i agree [23:58:30] <alanc> it's grown beyond that, but that was the kick that got the ball rolling [23:58:41] <dclarke> Gman : look .. we have a hell of a transition over the past 2 years [23:58:42] <coffman> one of the screwed up things in "companion CD" is the "cd" :) [23:59:11] <dclarke> Gman : and the Solaris OS being opensource is just starting to trickle into grey hair fat management in lots of places [23:59:13] <alanc> coffman: exactly - the whole notion that opensource is something you deliver once on a CD and then forget is one of the most fundamental problems with it [23:59:34] <dclarke> Gman : just the other day I had to swallow my fist when a guy told me that Solaris on x86 does not exist [23:59:52] <delewis> alanc, SGI, HP, and IBM do the same thing.