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[00:32:07] <pseudoXh4> Whoo.
[00:32:15] <pseudoXh4> Part 1 of 5 of the SXCR DVD ISO done..
[00:32:17] <pseudoXh4> 4 more parts to go. :)
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[00:45:54] <Chile`> what's the equivalent of the 'locate' command for solaris?
[00:46:55] <e^ipi> you can install slocate
[00:47:36] <rodrick-brown> Chile`, find :)
[00:47:56] <rodrick-brown> solaris people dont need locate our OS doesnt come bundled with a 10,000 apps
[00:48:01] <Chile`> rodrick-brown: find isn't the best at caching
[00:48:05] <Chile`> uh
[00:48:36] <Chile`> there are at least 6 different locations for executables at the moment, all of which were by default for various parts of the system.
[00:49:07] <e^ipi> yes, but they're arranged logically
[00:49:10] <Chile`> actually, there are far more than 6. there are 6 that would be 1 on a BSD system.
[00:49:21] <Chile`> yes, but until I get the logic down, locate would help ;)
[00:49:22] <e^ipi> need posix/xpg4 stuff? look in /usr/xpg4
[00:49:29] <e^ipi> or /usr/xpg6
[00:49:32] <lasseoe> locate makes you lazy
[00:49:35] <e^ipi> need sunfreeware? /usr/sfw
[00:49:45] <e^ipi> compiler collection system? /usr/ccs
[00:49:59] <e^ipi> legacy uc berkley stuff? /usr/ucb
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[00:53:32] <Chile`> compilers got installed to /opt/SUNWspro/bin, /usr/ccs has everything *but* the compilers (yacc et al are there), and /usr/ucb has a cc that says "language optional software package not installed"
[00:53:53] <RixiM> hi, is there a howto somewhere that explains how to get interfaces up? i just instealled nexenta for the first time and the faq didn't seem to addresse my problem
[00:54:12] <Chile`> which makes things fun, because I thought rather logically that /usr/ucb/bin should be in PATH before opt/SUNWspro/bin. being /opt, and all.
[00:54:37] <Chile`> RixiM: ifconfig interfacedev plumb && ifconfig interfacedev dhcp (if you're using dhcp)
[00:55:23] <e^ipi> why would you assume to put /usr/ucb in your path at all?
[00:55:28] <RixiM> not in appropriate state...
[00:55:50] <Chile`> RixiM: ifconfig interface dhcp drop first
[00:55:57] <Chile`> RixiM: if that doesn't work, ifconfig interface down/up
[00:56:07] <RixiM> i did down up...
[00:56:22] <RixiM> hmm.
[00:56:30] <RixiM> it's giving me a weird error...
[00:56:46] <RixiM> maybe solaris is not as forgiving with network misconfiguration...
[00:56:54] <Chile`> its not :)
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[00:57:11] <Chile`> its also a lot more flexible once you get it working
[00:59:14] <Chile`> e^ipi: I'm coming from fbsd, & I prefer the bsd utils to the sysv utils. I guessed it wouldn't be smart to have those replace the sysv utils for system scripts/etc, but there seem to be a handful of things in /usr/ucb not in /usr/bin
[01:00:43] <Chile`> I'm slowly switching over to the solaris way of doing things, but its slow, especially when I have to spend 5-10 minutes looking up all the options for a command that I'm used to
[01:01:00] <Chile`> things like ps -elfy instead of ps aux take some getting used to
[01:02:31] <e^ipi> *shrug*
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[01:02:45] <e^ipi> solaris is a sysv operating system... may as well get used to the sysv way of doing things
[01:03:08] <Chile`> yeah, I am. I just like a lot of my bsdisms
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[01:32:25] <nachox> hi all :)
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[01:41:28] <Darwin> hmm anyone know what 3PAPI man pages are about?
[01:42:02] <Darwin> printer API ?
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[01:51:28] <nachox> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/printing/
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[01:54:28] <nachox> more specifically http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/print/libpapi-common/
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[01:59:51] <dlg> ola jmcp
[02:00:10] <RixiM> i want to move the drive that has opensolaris installed on it to a different ide interface in the same machine, how do i do that?
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[02:07:53] <pseudoXh4> Is there a page where I can go see new additions in each Nevada build?
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[02:09:18] <Kmays> y
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[02:09:29] <pseudoXh4> Trying to look something up.
[02:10:18] <Kmays> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/
[02:10:51] <Kmays> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/
[02:12:27] <Kmays> Also the ChangeLog for each ON release - posted in the ON download area.
[02:13:10] <Kmays> Example: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/on-changelog-20070122.html
[02:15:15] <pseudoXh4> Thanks.
[02:16:36] <pseudoXh4> Hm, someone in here mentioned DRI support for i945/950GMA..
[02:16:42] <pseudoXh4> Can't find anything on it though. :(
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[02:23:06] <pseudoXh4> Nice, found it in http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b55/on-changelog-b55.html :)
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[02:31:52] <Kmays> The official update to a stable release of Xorg 7.2 will be nice.
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[02:57:05] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all
[02:57:27] <edwardocallaghan> Going to Australia later on today :)
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[03:11:09] <pseudoXh4> edwardocallaghan, where abouts?
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[03:16:21] <edwardocallaghan> pseudoXh4:Canberra
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[03:21:52] <pseudoXh4> Oh.
[03:26:37] <edwardocallaghan> But flying to Sydney
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[04:15:47] <dclarke> hello
[04:16:25] <jbk> evening
[04:18:38] <dclarke> hello ... oops
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[04:18:46] <dclarke> life just interrupted me again
[04:18:52] <dclarke> there is a lot of that for me lately
[04:19:00] <jamesd> hi dennis
[04:19:05] <dclarke> hey
[04:19:10] <dclarke> sorry .. gotta run
[04:19:13] <dclarke> geez
[04:19:21] * dclarke having a real run of tough days here
[04:19:29] <jamesd> it happens...
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[04:19:36] <jamesd> it will get better\
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[04:23:33] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: what time is your flight?
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[04:27:18] <jmcp> hi Gman
[04:27:24] <Gman> hey jmcp
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[04:47:23] <nachox> hey Gman :)
[04:49:07] <nachox> by the way, nice blog about the ogb elections
[04:49:33] <edwardocallaghan> jmcp:7pm GMT
[04:49:42] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: ok
[04:49:51] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: stopping somewhere in Asia?
[04:50:27] <edwardocallaghan> Tokyo
[04:50:32] * jmcp nods
[04:50:41] <jbk> how long of a flight is that?
[04:50:46] <jmcp> hope you've got some noise-cancelling headphones
[04:51:01] <jmcp> jbk: 12 or so hours from Tokyo/Narita to Sydney/Kingsford-Smith
[04:51:06] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[04:51:12] <jbk> i mean for the whole trip
[04:51:24] <edwardocallaghan> 23-26h
[04:51:27] <edwardocallaghan> I think
[04:51:32] <jmcp> sounds about right
[04:51:34] <jmcp> BA?
[04:51:41] <jbk> ouch
[04:51:48] * jbk would go crazy
[04:51:59] <jmcp> jbk: you aren't already?
[04:52:16] <jmcp> jbk: it's 13.5-14.5 hours from Sydney to SFO or LAX
[04:52:27] <jmcp> Singapore is a comparatively short trip - only 8 hours
[04:52:34] <jbk> well considering the project i'm on (large peoplesoft installation)... :)
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[04:53:30] <edwardocallaghan> Not Ba
[04:53:41] <edwardocallaghan> %s/Ba/BA/g
[04:53:50] <jmcp> did you book a flight from Sydney to CBR?
[04:54:10] <jbk> it's probably a sign of insanity or at least masochism(sp)
[04:54:14] <jmcp> jbk: duh :)
[04:54:53] <edwardocallaghan> no
[04:55:04] <edwardocallaghan> I could not as they did not take my card
[04:55:09] <jbk> but it gets me experience admining multiple 25ks... so..
[04:55:34] <jteo> jbk: it's a good tradeoff.
[04:55:37] <jteo> i *think*
[04:55:39] <jbk> as a geek, hard to say no :)
[04:55:48] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: damn
[04:56:05] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[04:56:10] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: it should be easy enough to make a last minute booking when you get to the airport
[04:56:29] <jmcp> was it webjet which didn't take your card?
[04:58:42] <edwardocallaghan> No, all of them
[04:58:48] <edwardocallaghan> My one is a switch
[04:58:51] <jmcp> oh
[04:58:52] <jbk> jteo: I sometimes wonder :)
[04:58:57] <jmcp> as long as it's not Discover :)
[04:58:58] <edwardocallaghan> I will open a account over there
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[04:59:04] <Doc> wait... you're flying from the US to Sydney via Tokyo?
[04:59:18] <edwardocallaghan> no.
[04:59:23] <jteo> wb dclarke
[04:59:23] <edwardocallaghan> I am in the UK
[04:59:35] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I know its late Doc ;)
[04:59:40] <Doc> ahh.. ok..  tokyo makes some sense then
[04:59:43] <dclarke> ..
[05:00:04] <Doc> SIN/KUL/BKK are better tho
[05:00:37] <jmcp> Doc: Tokyo makes sense too - fly up over the pole
[05:01:00] <Doc> yah.. but it's still longer, and you normally end up having to stay a night in one direction
[05:01:13] <Doc> (although that depends on the airline, but multiple do it)
[05:01:57] <Doc> plus i'm fairly sure nobody does it as a single flight like they do via the others (ie, change flights/plane/etc, rather than just a stopover)
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[05:03:44] * jmcp shrugs
[05:08:45] <edwardocallaghan> Right I am going to bed...
[05:08:58] <jmcp> gnite
[05:09:01] <jbk> see ya
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[05:09:19] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks see you guys when I am in Oz :)
[05:09:27] <Tpenta> cya
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[05:40:02] <brendang_> Tpenta: you around?
[05:40:11] <Tpenta> yup
[05:40:12] <brendang_> cool,
[05:40:16] <Tpenta> wotsup buddy
[05:40:27] <tg> hey
[05:40:27] <brendang_> I've been asked to create a short flash demo
[05:40:44] <brendang_> so I was wondering what software you used to create yours
[05:41:09] <Tpenta> x11vnc and vnc2swf
[05:41:28] <brendang_> vnc2swf. cool.
[05:41:54] <brendang_> thanks. did you notice if there was sound support in vnc2swf?
[05:42:11] <Tpenta> it was being worked on when I last played with it some time back
[05:42:18] <Tpenta> i never got it working, but apparabtly it does
[05:42:25] <brendang_> cool
[05:42:33] <Tpenta> still kinda klunky, you had to record the sound track seperately
[05:42:40] <Tpenta> brb
[05:42:45] <brendang_> that's what I would have expected...
[05:43:44] <tg> i'm trying to install b54 to a machine with a SiI 3114 controller with 4 disks on it but it hangs at boot, if theres only 1 disk it works, but i want 4;]
[05:43:47] <tg> any ideas?
[05:47:07] <Tpenta> grrr entering a win a wii for the jids a nickelodeon, the bloody entry form claims that '+' is not a valid char in an email address
[05:48:51] <brendang_> tg: "boot -v". it sounds like a driver is hanging, which will be hard but not impossible to troubleshoot. some drivers have have throw additional /var/adm/messages debug if configured in their .conf file
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[05:57:14] <bank> Hi , How can I enable 5900 port?
[05:57:31] <bank> is that to edit /etc/services and insert x11vnc 5900/tcp # VNC server
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[05:59:23] <Tpenta> start the vnc server, it will isten on that port
[05:59:34] <Tpenta> you should not need to edit anything
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[06:01:09] <bank> I following this link http://weblogs.uni.edu/yezek/archives/2005/03/using_x11vnc_an.html from number 2 to 5
[06:01:32] <bank> so I run /etc/init.d/dtlogin start . but I don't see anything on 5900 port
[06:02:09] <Tpenta> which versoin of solaris?
[06:02:12] <bank> b55
[06:02:33] <Tpenta> we dont do dtloging from there now; not sure how you'd hook it up with vnc like that
[06:03:07] <bank> really
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[06:03:18] <bank> when? I can do that when I use b50
[06:03:30] <bank> from this article. so I guess I have to enable port 5900
[06:03:46] <bank> are there some change during that time?
[06:04:06] <Tpenta> ok if it worked for 50 it shoudl work for 55
[06:04:51] <bank> so edit /etc/services and insert x11vnc 5900/tcp line is the right method?
[06:05:00] <e^ipi> anyone read "Understanding the Linux Kernel"?
[06:05:09] <Tpenta> if it needs a service defined i gues sso; but i didnt think it did
[06:05:17] <bank> but I didn't see something like 5900 in netstat
[06:05:39] <e^ipi> is it anywhere near the quality of "Solaris Internals" ?
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[06:07:41] <bank> Would you mind to tell how to check and enable port 5900 again?
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[06:10:48] <bank> sorry , I got it
[06:10:55] <bank> I didn't install x11vnc package yet :P
[06:11:03] <lloy0076> Aha!
[06:11:08] <lloy0076> bank: Give me da cash!
[06:11:12] <Tpenta> that will do it
[06:13:11] <lloy0076> I downloaded Sun Java Studio Creator today and it seems to be an integration of Netbeans 5.5 with an application server built in.
[06:15:09] <bank> oh no. I don't have wget.
[06:15:21] <Tpenta>  it's in /usr/sfw/bin/wget
[06:15:43] <bank> oh thank you Tpenta
[06:15:48] <Tpenta> :)
[06:16:20] <lloy0076> bank: I find that if I'm looking for something on Solaris, that I'll check: /usr/bin, /usr/sfw/bin and if it's an X program it's probably in /usr/openwin/bin.
[06:16:37] <lloy0076> That last one took me a while to find.
[06:16:42] <Tpenta> and if all else fails grep for it in /var/sadm/install/contents
[06:17:25] <lloy0076> My damn fridge makes my beer too cold; it almost freezes them and I can't twist them open :(
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[06:18:24] <tg> brendang_: thanks i tried that it hangs when detecting disks
[06:18:37] <tg> seems like this bug http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6414472
[06:19:39] <bank> ok. I have a bonds and securities for you lloy0076
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[06:24:11] <brendang_> tg: ahh.
[06:25:34] <Tpenta> so how's tricks mr gregg?
[06:26:29] <brendang_> well. visited my first SVOSUG this week
[06:26:42] <Tpenta> how was it (damn, i meant to dial in)
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[06:28:27] <brendang_> Tpenta: interesting - benr talked about what joyent uses - so it was interesting to hear about ZFS and Zones in use
[06:28:34] <LeftWing_> Are there video recordings?
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[06:28:57] <brendang_> dunno - I saw a webcam, and there were mics, so maybe
[06:29:17] <e^ipi> speaking of OSUG's... anyone prominent (or that hangs around here) in vancouver area?
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[06:31:56] <brendang_> Tpenta: has there been any SOSUGs recently?
[06:32:13] <Tpenta> no i was just thinkoing about organising one the other day; i've been soooo busy
[06:33:45] <LeftWing> I keep meaning to ask, but I too have been busy.
[06:34:02] <Tpenta> me too
[06:34:19] <LeftWing> I'm not sure about this working 9-5 thing.
[06:34:24] <LeftWing> Seems to sap a lot of my time. =P
[06:35:11] <LeftWing> Especially when it ends up being 9.30 to 7 most days.
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[06:57:36] <Vratha> show up at 7 and leave at 5
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[07:11:41] <bank> may I use  x11vnc-0.7-sol10-intel-local.gz for AMDx64
[07:12:52] <lloy0076> bank: I think so.
[07:13:13] <lloy0076> bank: I'm not sure what you're really asking - if it's not a stupidly large download, then it won't hurt to try either :P
[07:16:05] <bank> I am trying to make vnc work.
[07:16:28] <bank> I already install x11vnc package and following the step I ever done last time.
[07:16:41] <bank> by the way, I think something wrong with port ..
[07:16:43] <lloy0076> Doesn't tightvnc and its ilk work onsolaris?
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[07:18:23] <bank> lloy
[07:18:26] <bank> it's running now.
[07:18:29] <bank> :-)
[07:19:49] <bank> seem like it doesn't allow root to login . may be more configure on that.
[07:20:02] <e^ipi> gack
[07:20:07] <e^ipi> root is bad, mmkay
[07:20:13] <e^ipi> RBAC++
[07:20:28] <bank> By the way, I felt there are some bug with network configuration GUI.
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[07:23:52] <lloy0076> I still prefer root atm.
[07:24:05] <lloy0076> It would be rather pointless to RBAC my usual user to be superuser...
[07:24:36] <e^ipi> harder to screw things up if you've got a few administrative users
[07:25:21] <LeftWing> What's great is when you hire a sysadmin who feels his day is much more productive with a setuid su in his home directory.
[07:25:21] <e^ipi> one for filesystems, one for networks, etc
[07:26:35] <e^ipi> "what could possibly go wrong?"
[07:26:39] <LeftWing> haha yeah.
[07:26:48] <LeftWing> It's in his PATH, too
[07:27:14] <LeftWing> I believe my boss is going to have a word with him.
[07:27:17] <Doc> umm.. su is always suid
[07:27:19] <e^ipi> perhaps it's silly for me to RBAC up a few users
[07:27:39] <LeftWing> Doc: fair point... I wonder what the hell he's got as "su"
[07:27:54] <Doc> unless it's a hacked su that doesnt prompt for a password or something like that
[07:27:56] <e^ipi> but i dunno, seems better for me to have to log back in as netadmin rather than being in the habit of using root for everything
[07:28:01] <LeftWing> Doc: That would probably be it.
[07:28:34] <e^ipi> because netadmin can't wipe out filesystems
[07:29:03] <Doc> screw it - time to reinstall windows on this notebook
[07:29:08] <LeftWing> heh
[07:29:09] <Doc> it's been at least 3 months...  :(
[07:29:19] <LeftWing> I can't remember the last time I reinstalled XP on my notebook.
[07:29:31] <LeftWing> I've found a good way to stop breaking it on a 3-monthly rotation.
[07:29:36] <Doc> i do it about every 6 months - and it about doubles it's speed when i do
[07:29:37] <e^ipi> it's been about 6 or 7 years since i've even checked email on a windows machine
[07:30:04] <bank> if I have a folder that root as owner how can I assign permission to some user?
[07:30:05] <lloy0076> e^ipi: Not even in a web browser on a Windows OS/
[07:30:12] <e^ipi> nope
[07:30:13] <e^ipi> nothing
[07:30:18] <LeftWing> bank: setfacl
[07:31:02] <e^ipi> i bring my laptop in to school computer labs so that i can avoid having to use windows
[07:31:21] <e^ipi> i bought a copy of maple in order that i didn't have to use the school's copy
[07:31:30] <LeftWing> Isn't Maple expensiveee?
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[07:32:25] <e^ipi> naw, i'm a student
[07:32:26] <Doc> people that explicitely avoid an OS for no good reason worry me
[07:32:29] <Doc> right tool for the right job
[07:32:31] <e^ipi> i picked it up for $200 or so
[07:32:46] <LeftWing> Exactly -- I have Windows for Quake. =D
[07:32:47] <Doc> and sometimes the right tool is the one that is there, even if it otherwise wouldnt have been the right tool
[07:32:50] <e^ipi> Doc: i've yet to find a "right job" that windows is the right tool for
[07:33:10] <Doc> eipi: sending email from an internew cafe that has windows PCs
[07:33:13] <Doc> internet too
[07:33:26] <e^ipi> i have a laptop
[07:33:29] <e^ipi> *shrug*
[07:33:44] <lloy0076> e^ipi: Windows is the right job for those who suck donkey's balls.
[07:33:48] * lloy0076 sagenod
[07:33:57] <LeftWing> Charming, as always, lloy0076 =P
[07:34:16] <LeftWing> Windows PCs make a pretty good vessel for getting onto Tarantella. =)
[07:34:36] <lloy0076> Mind you, Diablo II runs better on Windows XP than Wine on Linux.
[07:34:38] <lloy0076> heh
[07:34:49] <lloy0076> Lucky I don't have a donkey.
[07:34:52] * lloy0076 evil smirk
[07:34:55] <e^ipi> i don't really play games that much
[07:35:07] <e^ipi> & when i do, it's mostly DS & playstation games
[07:35:14] <lloy0076> DS?
[07:35:16] <e^ipi> PC games are usually too involving for me to care to get in to them
[07:35:21] <e^ipi> lloy0076: yeah, nintendo DS
[07:35:24] <lloy0076> ah
[07:35:27] <LeftWing> Quake is hardly 'involving'. ;P
[07:35:56] <e^ipi> nor is it particularly windows-bound
[07:36:07] <lloy0076> I thought Quake ran on a few OSes
[07:36:08] <e^ipi> linux version of quake4 was there since day 1
[07:36:27] * LeftWing is more fond of Quake III.
[07:36:38] <e^ipi> which also had a linux version very early on
[07:36:45] <e^ipi> and now has a solaris version
[07:36:55] <lloy0076> Ok, was Quake IV before Quake III?
[07:37:10] <LeftWing> ...
[07:37:16] <LeftWing> Roman Numerals?
[07:37:31] <lloy0076> Quake 4 before Quake 3 was what I meant.
[07:37:55] <e^ipi> ?
[07:37:56] <LeftWing> Well no, they came out in numerical order. =P
[07:38:01] <e^ipi> of course quake 3 came before 4
[07:39:15] <lloy0076> e^ipi: not necessarily an of course. With software companies bizarre numbering these days, anything is possible.
[07:40:36] <e^ipi> naw, iD games didn't hire Sun's marketing department
[07:40:43] <LeftWing> :D
[07:42:16] <e^ipi> heh, my wife's actually started confiscating the laptop instead of using the mac lately to play mahjongg
[07:42:32] <LeftWing> Mahjongg for UNIX? =P
[07:42:41] <e^ipi> yeah, the one that ships with JDS
[07:42:55] <LeftWing> Oh, I see it.
[07:42:57] <e^ipi> i never thought i'd hear her say "take the mac... give me the solaris machine"
[07:43:12] <LeftWing> Looks like a reasonably clean Mahjongg actually.
[07:45:30] <e^ipi> yeah, it's not bad
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[08:32:19] <bank> LeftWing
[08:32:29] <LeftWing> Yes, bank?
[08:32:43] <bank> About mbstrings.
[08:32:52] <LeftWing> Ah.
[08:33:23] <bank> I use ./configure \ --with-apxs2=/export/s6/httpd-2.2.4/bin/apxs \ --prefix=/export/s6/httpd-2.2.4/php \ --with-libxml-dir=/export/s6/ libxml2-2.6.27 \
[08:33:34] <bank> make  ( ok)
[08:33:39] <bank> make install (failed)
[08:34:07] <bank> one moment for pastebin
[08:34:40] <LeftWing> So it compiled OK?
[08:35:10] <bank> http://pastebin.com/869238
[08:35:36] <bank> Build complete.Build complete. (It is safe to ignore warnings about tempnam and tmpnam). <<  = compiled OK?
[08:35:51] <LeftWing> I suppose so.
[08:36:58] <LeftWing> chmod: WARNING: can't access /export/s6/httpd-2.2.4/modules/libphp5.so
[08:37:04] <LeftWing> Looks like a permissions problem.
[08:37:43] <lloy0076> bank: Getting PH5 to build is an art.
[08:37:43] <bank> but ... now I am root
[08:37:44] <LeftWing> or a file-didn't-actually-get-put-there problem.
[08:38:27] <lloy0076> My usual problems are cause by Sun Studio C++ and G++ incompatibilities.
[08:38:28] <LeftWing> I usually don't use make install for PHP anyway -- I just grab libphp5.so from the .libs directory under the source tree and put it someplace useful.
[08:39:07] <bank> I am not sure I understand.
[08:39:21] <bank> but we need configure it?
[08:39:32] <bank> to enable mbstring and told where other libs located.
[08:39:51] <LeftWing> once you've run make, and it has succeeded, you've already built the PHP library
[08:40:06] <LeftWing> You can just copy it to your Apache modules directory and set it up in httpd.conf
[08:41:16] <bank> oh really? I will try
[08:41:19] <bank> (now)
[08:41:46] <delewis> ugh, out of coffee.
[08:41:47] <delewis> :-)
[08:41:48] <delewis> er :-/
[08:42:01] <delewis> ENOCOFFEE
[08:42:04] <bank> but I don't see any libphp5.so
[08:42:11] <bank> in where I make (/export/s6/php-5.2.0dw)
[08:42:22] <delewis> find . -name libphp5.so
[08:42:23] <LeftWing> look in /export/s6/php-5.2.0dw/.libs
[08:42:43] <bank> no there are only libphp5.a   libphp5.la
[08:43:02] <LeftWing> in .libs?
[08:43:10] <LeftWing> You may want to configure again with --enable-shared
[08:43:13] <bank> .libs doesn't exits
[08:43:20] <bank> ok
[08:43:21] <delewis> bank,
[08:43:21] <LeftWing> What about .lib ?
[08:43:28] <delewis> did you do find . -name libphp5.so?
[08:43:49] <bank> yes nothing turn out
[08:44:02] <delewis> there's your problem.
[08:44:07] <LeftWing> There should be a .libs in your php directory.
[08:45:11] <bank> in .libs there are libphp5.a    libphp5.la   libphp5.lai
[08:45:40] <LeftWing> configure+make again with --enabled-shared
[08:45:51] <delewis> if find . -name libphp5.so didn't return anything, then you don't have libphp5.so in the source tree.
[08:46:12] <LeftWing> delewis: Or you're somehow bungling find. ;)
[08:47:06] <bank> OK,. moment please.
[08:47:22] <delewis> LeftWing, no, as that does a recursive search from the top-level source directory for libphp5.so
[08:47:39] <LeftWing> delewis: I don't mean you you, I mean you as in the subject.
[08:48:04] <bank> Build complete
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[08:48:34] <delewis> that was a bit quick
[08:48:43] <delewis> do a gmake distclean
[08:48:43] <delewis> and try again.
[08:48:57] <LeftWing> check if there's a .libs/libphp5.so first...
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[08:50:17] <vmxnet> Hi. I am running Solaris 10 under vmware 5.5.3.  Previously, the vmxnet0 interface was working quite fine (transferred over a terabyte of data), but on all subsequent boots, it is giving me the message "Failed to configure".  I manually load the vmxnet module, and still don't see the interface listed with "ifconfig -a".  I get the message "ifconfig: plumb: vmxnet0: Invalid argument".  Any ideas?
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[08:52:58] <bank> you have a right sense.
[08:55:19] <bank> ok it's complete again
[08:55:33] <bank> no luck
[08:55:36] <bank> no .so
[08:57:08] <bank> http://pastebin.com/869254
[08:57:37] <bank> The only reason....
[08:57:38] <bank> :(
[08:57:43] <bank> Any ideas?
[08:58:52] <LeftWing> You may be better off asking PHP folk about this one -- it doesn't appear to be a Solarisism.
[08:59:16] <bank> LeftWing ...
[08:59:22] <LeftWing> bank...?
[08:59:51] <bank> That is really an only issue, that why I move to fedora. But I really like others things in solaris
[09:00:22] <Doc> did you ask google what he thinks about it?
[09:00:31] <bank> If I ask solaris ppl will tell to php ppl , then php community will tell to solaris
[09:00:44] <bank> sure.
[09:02:34] <LeftWing> bank: Solaris isn't preventing you from building PHP here.
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[09:02:50] <lloy0076> bank: Solaris runs PHP.
[09:03:10] <LeftWing> Perhaps you should look at whether your apxs is working properly -- it's involved in the building of the Apache module if memory serves.
[09:03:18] <Doc> isnt PHP part of the coolstack stuff? just download it from there
[09:03:23] <lloy0076> bank: As I was saying, though, getting Sun Studio, GCC and PHP to build can be a damned art.
[09:03:38] <lloy0076> Doc: You could also use http://www.blastwave.org/
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[09:05:00] <bank> I cp libphp5.a libphp5.so and make install successfully. ( is that ok?)
[09:05:20] <bank> trail error method
[09:05:34] <lloy0076> does info.php with <?php phpino(); ?> work??
[09:07:00] <LeftWing> ...
[09:07:09] <LeftWing> a .a file and a .so file are not the same thing.
[09:07:30] <Doc> near enough...
[09:07:47] <LeftWing> Doc: I suppose. =P
[09:09:19] <bank> yes It went wrong
[09:09:28] <bank> can not start httpd
[09:09:53] <lloy0076> lol
[09:09:56] <lloy0076> sorry
[09:11:03] <bank> Leftwing.
[09:11:28] <bank> I record all the step from build from httpd to php here http://pastebin.com/869260
[09:15:47] <quasi> what's the reason for not typing make and make install with php?
[09:17:11] <quasi> the .so gets created in the make install step
[09:19:08] <bank> gmake distclean / make / make install
[09:19:35] <LeftWing> If you're going to use gmake, use it for every step.
[09:20:59] <bank> ok .. moment
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[09:26:00] <nrubsig> Does anyone have any comments about http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2007-January/002091.html ?
[09:26:54] <bank> gmake & gmake install ok?
[09:27:05] <nrubsig> uhm
[09:27:15] <nrubsig> bank: this is not Linux
[09:27:32] <e^ipi> and thank god for that
[09:27:39] * nrubsig pokes alanc
[09:27:52] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:28:02] <Symmetria> anyone here that can suggest a way to speed up deletion of really large directory structures?
[09:28:06] <Symmetria> cause rm -rf takes *ages*
[09:28:33] <e^ipi> don't create folders, create zfs filesystems
[09:28:48] <e^ipi> and instead of using rm -rf, use zfs destroy
[09:28:52] <nrubsig> Symmetria: use a different filesystem... like QFS.
[09:29:15] <Symmetria> those are folders under zfs file systems and errr creating a different file system for each directory structure would be... complicated to say the least :p
[09:29:28] <lloy0076> Symmetria: As I keep on saying, get a damned SLEDGE HAMMER
[09:29:30] <lloy0076> :P
[09:29:41] <nrubsig> Symmetria: Some HPC installations I've setup use seperate disks for inodes, log and data where inodes+logs are on sold-state disks, making such operations as fast as hell approves.
[09:30:00] <nrubsig> s/sold/solid/
[09:30:15] <nrubsig> Symmetria: there is the problem. Three letters: Z, F, S
[09:30:20] <Doc> i had some soiled-state disks once... they didnt work very well
[09:30:41] <Doc> QFS will still outperform ZFS is certain circumstances
[09:30:42] <Symmetria> nrubsig err whats wrong with zfs, so far its handled pretty well for me, other than this deletion problem
[09:31:08] <dlg> Doc: like in the active-active mount situation?
[09:31:14] <dlg> and the hsm situation?
[09:32:01] <nrubsig> Symmetria: problem is that it doesn't handle a inode create/modify/deletion storm well. Usually the memory consumtion goes up and the performance down, usually exponetionally
[09:32:20] <nrubsig> Symmetria: e.g. you can nail-down a system with that.
[09:32:42] <Doc> dlg: well that's not so much an "out-perform" thing, but yes, multiple reader/writer is something zfs doesnt do (yet)
[09:32:53] <Doc> QFS doesn't do HSM as such, that's it partner SAM-FS
[09:33:50] <Doc> nrubsig: try with sol 10 11/06 (or the relevant patches when they come out) - there's some improvements in that area
[09:33:59] <nrubsig> umpf
[09:34:10] <nrubsig> Doc: I tried Solaris 11/b51 and it's horrible.
[09:34:19] <Peanut> Doc: is that being worked on, multi reader/writer for ZFS?
[09:34:30] * nrubsig looks at Tpenta
[09:34:37] * nrubsig throws http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2007-January/002091.html after Tpenta ....
[09:35:02] <Doc> peanut: not yet i dont believe
[09:35:02] <bank> it's failed
[09:35:36] <bank> can someone go as superroot
[09:35:40] <bank> to try.
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[09:41:15] * nrubsig throws http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2007-January/002091.html after Doc
[09:41:44] * Doc doesnt use ksh
[09:42:18] * Tpenta crawls out after collapsing under the weight
[09:42:40] <bank__> Tpenta..
[09:43:11] <nrubsig> Tpenta: what wheight ?
[09:43:18] <Tpenta> of the webrev
[09:43:23] * Tpenta grins
[09:43:24] <nrubsig> Tpenta: the ReiserFS patch for Solaris is larger than that.
[09:44:04] * Symmetria waits while his system frees up 1.4 terabytes of space
[09:44:07] <Symmetria> *snore*
[09:44:20] <bank__> *cry*
[09:44:21] <Doc> newfs works well for that
[09:44:38] <Symmetria> doc heh, newfs would erase far far far to much :p
[09:45:17] <Symmetria> apool                  3.8T   2.4T   1.4T    63%    /mirror/iscsi-san-1
[09:45:18] <Symmetria> :p
[09:45:46] <nrubsig> Symmetria: ever heared about "background jobs" yet ? (mkdir trash ; mv largedir trash/. ; cd trash ; rm -Rf largedir ) &
[09:46:44] <Tpenta> jmcp: you around?
[09:46:51] <Symmetria> nrubsig heh yes, I have, wont help me though, may as well just background the rm -rf & of it straight :p
[09:46:54] <nrubsig> uhhhh
[09:46:57] <jmcp> Tpenta: ssshhhhh
[09:46:58] <Symmetria> its all in one directory anyway
[09:47:02] <nrubsig> Tpenta: found another victim...
[09:47:05] <nrubsig> jmcp: ping!
[09:47:08] <Symmetria> off iscsi-san-1 (the stuff I wanna delete)
[09:47:21] <jmcp> bloody hell ... seems like everybody wants a piece of me today
[09:47:22] <Tpenta> remember that youtube vid with the guy reciting tainted love; you still got th url, i cant find it
[09:47:39] <jmcp> tainted love? I don't recall it
[09:47:44] <nrubsig> jmcp: any comments about http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2007-January/002091.html ?
[09:47:49] <Tpenta> though eitehr you sent it to me or i sent it to you
[09:47:57] <Doc> hmm.. sunray@home serious sucks when you try and change between virtual screens (2 head sunray session on a single head sunray)
[09:48:04] <jmcp> nrubsig: nope, no comments
[09:48:19] <nrubsig> jmcp: ;-(((((((((
[09:48:26] <nrubsig> jmcp: why ?
[09:48:27] <jmcp> nrubsig: it's *not* my area
[09:48:34] <jmcp> it's *not* something I'm really interested in, frankly
[09:48:58] <jmcp> nrubsig: what sort of comments do you want? comments from somebody who just isn't interested, or comments from somebody who is?
[09:50:09] <Symmetria> btw is there any zfs command you can give to find out how many files are on a zfs file system
[09:51:13] <nrubsig> jmcp: comments like "that thing is wrong, I don't like that part of Makefile.xyz and the other line in Makefile.abc is not going to happen while I am alive. Uh, and don't do blabla-blub, not even if I am dead. Dare you double-dare you!!" ...
[09:51:38] <nrubsig> jmcp: e.g. the usual review bickering :-)
[09:52:05] <jmcp> nrubsig: so, like I said ... why do you want *me* to comment, when I've expressly told you that I'm just not interested, and it's not my area anyway
[09:52:29] <nrubsig> jmcp: yes yes... I know that... now.... ;-((
[09:53:28] <lloy0076> What
[09:53:30] <lloy0076> fsfsfsdfsd
[09:53:39] <lloy0076> What's so amazing about this damn ksh93 rhing?
[09:55:30] <lloy0076> Anyway, on that note, to bed with me
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[10:07:39] <alanc> nrubsig: you poked?
[10:08:00] <Tpenta> jmcp: found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFrROT2wfg
[10:08:05] <Tpenta> hello alanc, you're up late
[10:08:26] <alanc> yes
[10:08:28] <jmcp> Tpenta: did I forward that you?
[10:08:40] <jmcp> Tpenta: I really don't think I've seen it before
[10:08:59] <Tpenta> watch it
[10:09:31] <alanc> Xorg 7.2 is supposed to integrate to the Nevada gate on monday, but it's not quite there yet
[10:09:49] <alanc> though I think I've finally excised most of the libtool-induced brain damage
[10:10:06] <jmcp> Tpenta: I would, but I've got some shoe trees to rotate. Not a fan of those lyrics anyway
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[10:10:12] <nrubsig> erm
[10:10:19] <Tpenta> it's just done soooo well
[10:10:22] <nrubsig> flash plugin crash
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[10:10:46] <alanc> and there's my nightly proxy reset
[10:10:53] <Tpenta> :)
[10:10:54] <alanc> when I'm here for that, I know it's too late
[10:11:16] <Tpenta> heh
[10:11:41] <Tpenta> anyway, have to feed the kids, enjoy that url: deadbeat poets society doing soft cell's "Tainted Love"
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[10:13:55] <Fish> hello
[10:14:18] <bank__> Hi Fish
[10:14:23] <bank__> I remember you.
[10:15:15] <alanc> night all
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[10:27:10] <andyshack> 2 hours without a sysadmin and ive borked it already. i dont want to have to carry the dos box downstairs again. does sol 10 ship with kermit or something ?
[10:27:30] <Doc> tip
[10:27:35] <andyshack> nice
[10:31:20] <andyshack> i just man'd tip. next stupid question. what would com1 be called on an x86 ? better yet doc, hook me up with the command to look at the serial so i can tell my sparc to BOOT
[10:33:42] <LeftWing> Look in /etc/remote for an entry like hardwire.
[10:34:22] <andyshack> nice
[10:35:55] <LeftWing> jmcp: Shoes grow on trees now? =D
[10:37:11] <e^ipi> they do in the netherlands
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[10:41:57] <jmcp> LeftWing: huh? clue me in, please
[10:42:14] <jmcp> andyshack: /dev/term/a = cua1, /dev/term/b = cua2
[10:42:19] <LeftWing> <jmcp> Tpenta: I would, but I've got some shoe trees to rotate. Not a fan of those lyrics anyway
[10:42:38] <Tpenta> i saw it
[10:42:59] <jmcp> LeftWing: ah :)
[10:43:07] <Tpenta> did you watch it?
[10:43:10] <jmcp> no
[10:43:18] <Tpenta> i meant leftwing
[10:43:23] <LeftWing> jmcp: I'm only 20-25 minutes behind the eight ball.
[10:43:30] <jmcp> those shoe trees take an awful lot of effort to rotate
[10:43:37] <LeftWing> Tpenta: I'll watch it now, being the sucker for You Tube that I seem to be.
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[10:43:58] <Tpenta> I"ve also been watching "Chad Vader"
[10:44:13] <jmcp> LeftWing: when YouTube kills off Toni Pearen's career, then my faith in the induhnet will be restored
[10:45:14] <jmcp> note for non-Australian residents ... Toni Pearen presents "Australia's Funniest Home Videos"
[10:45:20] <jmcp> badly
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[10:45:32] <Tpenta> isnt that a job requirement?
[10:45:40] <LeftWing> jmcp: In ridiculous clothing most of the time, too.
[10:45:59] <jmcp> I recall Peter Heliar's joke @ the Logies last year re TP :)
[10:46:08] <Tpenta> are you suggesting she do it without the (ridiulious) clothing?
[10:46:47] <LeftWing> Tpenta: At least it'd get moved to a less accessible timeslot. =P
[10:46:52] <jmcp>  Heliar: I've just seen pink. Rove: Was she getting her voice warmed up for her song? Heliar: no, Toni Pearen just fell over
[10:47:09] <LeftWing> HAHA
[10:47:12] <LeftWing> Oh no.
[10:48:29] * jmcp watches the horror work its way across LeftWing's face ....
[10:49:16] <LeftWing> haha, quite. =)
[10:52:05] <e^ipi> the existence of "australia's funniest home videos" comforts me
[10:52:26] <LeftWing> I don't see how -- it's such bollocks.
[10:52:26] <jmcp> e^ipi: not me ... at least half of them are actually from the USA
[10:52:31] <e^ipi> in as far as, now i know it's not just the americans that come up with brain-rotting utter rubbish TV
[10:52:50] <e^ipi> in canada, we have american tv, and we have the news
[10:52:56] <LeftWing> I'm pretty sure we licensed the concept from someplace else anyway.
[10:53:00] <RixiM> i'm trying to create a raidz with disks of different sizes, should i create disk slices to maximize space?
[10:54:46] <e^ipi> so watching TV, it's quite frightening to think that these people have the atomic bomb
[10:55:03] <e^ipi> so it's kinna comforting to think that it's TV's fault, not americas
[10:55:05] <RixiM> e^ipi: it's not the same people...
[10:55:14] <e^ipi> america can be faulted for other things
[10:57:50] <LeftWing> Yeah, like not coming up often enough in conversation.  I blame America mainly for that.
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[11:04:52] <bank__> :D
[11:05:15] <xea_> hi! i did a full install of solaris express, and the smc says that the smc server is not running. i checked with svcadm, wbem,webconsole services are online and ps lists the smcboot processes. /etc/init.d/init.wbem status says it is not running on port 898, however i started it (even manually also)
[11:05:40] <xea_> does anybody have some idea what could be the problem?
[11:16:18] <e^ipi> i don't suppose sun has any plans to rip SMC out of solaris
[11:16:23] <e^ipi> because that crap's terrible
[11:17:28] <xea_> e^ipi: i don't think it is ripped out, because all the binaries are here, it just doesn't work properly after a default install, and the log files aren't saying anything
[11:17:28] <tsoome> xea_: I have seen an issue when smc was only accessible via loopback (127.0.0.1)
[11:17:42] <e^ipi> no, i know they haven't
[11:17:44] <e^ipi> but they should
[11:17:49] <e^ipi> because SMC is terrible
[11:19:22] <xea_> tsoome: it says that There is no Solaris Management Console Server running on 127.0.0.1
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[11:20:01] <e^ipi> it's like they created SMC as a form of punishment for doing administrative tasks via GUI
[11:20:45] <tsoome> xea_: what says so?
[11:20:48] <xea_> e^ipi: yup, i don't really like the gui either, but it's really annoying if such stuff doesn't work
[11:20:59] <xea_> tsoome: smc -H 127.0.0.1 -t
[11:21:26] <xea_> oh
[11:21:33] <xea_> it's working
[11:21:36] <tsoome> hm, but if you will start smc and will try to open a server at 127.0.0.1?
[11:21:41] <tsoome> :)
[11:22:24] <Doc> eipi: damn.. you're onto us!
[11:22:28] <tsoome> howcome it's working now?
[11:22:39] <Doc> hah.. they have put a new reset key sequence into the new sunray firmware - "Stop-A"
[11:22:40] <e^ipi> Doc: heh
[11:22:47] <xea_> tsoome: i did a svcadm restart wbem
[11:22:56] <tsoome> :D
[11:22:57] <xea_> and then trying to connect on 127.0.0.1
[11:23:12] <xea_> ok, thank you guys
[11:23:15] <tsoome> but is a pulic address also available?
[11:23:20] <xea_> yes
[11:23:32] <tsoome> good for you:D
[11:24:26] <xea_> eh, now it can't find any toolboxes :\ but i think this will be a minor problem :)
[11:25:49] * e^ipi is happy he understands the commandline
[11:26:17] <tsoome> I have logged in to linux for 5 minutes and already getting to be angry....
[11:26:33] <e^ipi> heh
[11:26:44] <e^ipi> you can't possibly notice terrible kernel code in 5 minutes
[11:27:19] <tsoome> no, I'm just trying to figure out what disks are connected to and if there are any SAN disks available....
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[11:33:41] <bank__> .. /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is normally mounted on /export/s7 according to /etc/vfstab. Please remove this entry to use this device.
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[12:00:54] <bank> What is the appropriate chmod number for zone folder?
[12:01:09] <e^ipi> 700
[12:01:44] <e^ipi> or let it have space on a zpool and don't bother creating the filesystem/folder
[12:02:07] <bank>  .. /export/zones must be owner executable.
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[12:02:33] <bank> don't bother using zfs create ?
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[12:02:44] <bank> and dataset for zone.
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[12:03:05] <e^ipi> yeah, when you install the zone it'll create the filesystem & populate it for you
[12:03:16] <e^ipi> and then you can just clone it... zone creation will take second
[12:03:19] <e^ipi> seconds
[12:04:30] <bank> so there are no need for add datasets and zfs create.
[12:04:32] <bank> oh great
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[12:19:25] <Griffous> Hi all, is there anyone here tonight that understands the jumpstart pxe setup well. I'm struggling at the pxe stage
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[12:35:59] <tomww> Griffous: you have plain jumpstart or the "Jet" extensions?
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[12:49:10] <jteo> i'm amazed: we'
[12:49:17] <jteo> we're discussing radiation on zfs-discuss.
[12:49:32] <Griffous> tomww, plain jumpstart for now
[12:50:01] <tsoome> and whats the issue with pxe?
[12:50:20] <Griffous> I'm struggling a bit with the fact that I'm apparently meant to do all manner of creative things to my dhcp server. At work (windows) pxe servers are completely independant of our dhcp servers
[12:50:31] <Griffous> do you know much about these macros?
[12:51:10] <LeftWing> Windows PXE will use DHCP too
[12:51:29] <Griffous> possibly, but we have it running on 2 different hosts
[12:51:50] <LeftWing> Eh?
[12:51:53] <Griffous> according to the rfcs, pxe should exist independantly of a dhcp server, they even listen on different ports
[12:52:36] <LeftWing> PXE is essentially a combination of DHCP & TFTP if memory serves.
[12:52:40] <Griffous> it would seem that the jumpstart way doesn't really use the pxe protocol at all, it simply relies on dhcp and tftp, and the fact that the pxe portion of a NIC allows for bootloading using these services
[12:52:41] <tomww> dhcpconfig -D -r SUNWfiles -p /var/tmp ; dhcpconfig -N ${NETWORK} -m ${NETMASK} -t ${ROUTER}
[12:53:00] <tomww> these two make up the dhcp server initial config for jumpstart + SUNWjet
[12:53:47] <Griffous> the challenge I face is that my dhcp server is linux, and I'm really rather trying to get away with not touching it... and I work I was able to do exactly that, and have working pxe - windows based stuff, not solaris, but clearly the concept and protocols are the same
[12:53:58] <tomww> but, why not upgradeding to SUNWjet, it make almost any manual configuration obsolete
[12:54:12] <tomww> ah, ok.
[12:54:14] <Griffous> tomww, I've never heard of it...
[12:54:46] <LeftWing> Griffous: ISC DHCP on Linux?
[12:54:53] <Griffous> I believe so
[12:55:12] <tsoome> Griffous: you have to provide neccessary dhcp options for your solaris clients
[12:55:13] <tomww> ok, SUNWjet is made to run on a solaris-box (x86 or sparc).
[12:55:31] <tsoome> they are documented in docs.sun.com
[12:55:43] <Griffous> jumpstart isn't zone friendly yet right?
[12:56:09] <tomww> Griffous: the dhcp-clients run on sparc? then you have to supply different macros to the dhcp-server individually for almost each of the sparc-family products
[12:56:16] <Griffous> tsoome, yeah... I was afraid of that... it's a shame, because other OSes do it without touching the dhcp server
[12:56:35] <Griffous> here it's simple, I just want to boot an i86pc. I don't have any sparc
[12:56:42] <tsoome> ?
[12:57:17] <tsoome> to boot from nw you still have to provide a pxe bootprogram etc
[12:57:17] <Griffous> tsoome, I have 2 different pxe boot imaging applications at work, neither required that I touch my dhcp server :/
[12:58:03] <Griffous> absolutely, I was just hoping that there was a standalone solaris app to do that. It seems that jumpstart doesn't work that way, but rather relies on a TFTP server, and dhcp to do all the heavy lifting
[12:58:08] <tsoome> in solaris case, pxegrub will take params from dhcp options
[12:58:09] <LeftWing> I'm fairly sure you can't magically boot PXE without DHCP.  There's always DHCP involved, even if you don't modify the primary address-providing server.  You can have more than one DHCP server on a network, for instance with Sun Rays -- one to provide addresses and one to hand out the particular options to the Sun Rays.
[12:58:40] <tsoome> pxe boot means pxe prom will issue a dhcp request
[12:59:01] <LeftWing> tsoome: Exactly.
[12:59:36] <tsoome> even with SunRays - you dont *have to* have a separate dhcp server
[12:59:46] <tsoome> you may use whatever you like
[12:59:47] <Griffous> LeftWing, I do have working dhcp here (that's why I'm reluctant to mess with it). A PXE server can optionally provide dhcp aswell as TFTP. In this case, it seems that although I'm pxe booting, solaris doesn't actually have a PXE server, rather just the two components running as two seperate daemons
[13:00:19] <Griffous> I haven't ever had more then one... Interesting
[13:00:36] <LeftWing> tsoome: I know, I'm just saying that it's possible there's more than one DHCP server providing options to the network.
[13:00:53] <tsoome> exactly
[13:01:02] <LeftWing> Given the case of the magical Windows PXE. ;)
[13:01:02] <bank> excuse me
[13:01:09] <Griffous> Running snoop, my dhcp server appears to be giving an address ok, and I see that on the client, but I'm not seeing a second dhcp request, which presumable a second jumpstart specific dhcp server would answer
[13:01:29] <bank> I think I done something wrong that effect vnc.
[13:01:38] <Griffous> heh, I'm loathed to call it magical, but man it was a breeze to setup compared to this!
[13:02:04] <bank> when I login via login page in VNCviewer it show dialog "Unable to acess home directory Click ok to start a fialsafe session or cancel to restart logiN"
[13:02:09] <LeftWing> PXE JumpStart isn't particularly difficult. =P
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[13:04:43] <bank> oh it's a matter of chmod
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[13:05:09] <tsoome> Gr|ffous: if client willget a answer from server, it will try to talk with it, not to switch over to second one
[13:05:10] <Gr|ffous> well, so I'm told anyway... I'm sure if I were using a solaris dhcp server it wouldn't be so bad, but I'd rather not break my production stuff while I play with jumpstart
[13:05:45] <LeftWing> Gr|ffous: There are ISC DHCP sample configs floating around for PXE jumpstarting.
[13:05:53] * LeftWing &
[13:06:11] <tsoome> using multiple dhcp servers in nw means you have to register your client with particular server(s)
[13:06:32] <Gr|ffous> thanks LeftWing I'm chipping away at it carefully :)
[13:10:05] <tsoome> Gr|ffous: with dhcp you can provide different set of options for your clients, thats the reason why they are using the client id and client class in dhcp requests
[13:10:18] <tsoome> dhcp is not just providing ip
[13:11:10] <jteo> PXE jumpstarting involves much DHCP voodoo
[13:11:38] <Gr|ffous> tsoome, thanks - I'm just used to it another way, where the pxe server does all that.
[13:11:59] <Gr|ffous> I know now that the dhcp server has to do all the hard work with jumpstart.
[13:12:03] <tsoome> hm, what particular pxe server software?
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[13:12:23] <quasi> jteo: it isn't all that bad when you use jet (http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/09/20/T23_43_37/index.html)
[13:12:34] <Gr|ffous> Oh, Altiris, and I've been using Desktop Authority Image Centre - both for windows networks
[13:13:39] <jteo> quasi: when you have a whole set of scripts to make it work, it makes you wonder what they were smokin' when they designed the base implementation.
[13:14:46] <Gr|ffous> anyway, I must head to bed. Thanks for the help all
[13:14:47] <quasi> jteo: some very bad sh*t
[13:17:35] <quasi> although once you've done a pile of pixie installs and messed them up in various ways, you slowly get to see that it isn't all that complicated - mostly it is a lack of documentation and slightly broken scripts ;)
[13:17:55] <jteo> quasi: that's a vicious combo.
[13:18:40] <Doc> there's a guide on bigadmin to setting up PXE, although as someone suggested just use JET
[13:19:03] <quasi> then guide on bigadmin didn't work for me
[13:19:37] <Gr|ffous> oh hey, it's all working
[13:19:40] <Gr|ffous> schweet
[13:19:45] <lasseoe> I haven't found any guide on Solaris PXE boot that "just works", unless you go with JET
[13:19:58] <Gr|ffous> and I managed to do it without all the dhcp classes too
[13:20:01] * Gr|ffous does the happy dance
[13:22:55] <tsoome> :D
[13:23:10] <tsoome> without dhcp classes?
[13:23:14] <Gr|ffous> yeah
[13:23:35] <tsoome> you are providing solaris options for all clients?
[13:23:41] <Gr|ffous> I'm only trying to boot *ONE* host anyway - just learning for now, and I only have x86 anyway - so I should get away with it ok
[13:24:04] <tsoome> a host specific options
[13:24:07] <tsoome> ok
[13:25:55] <tsoome> they have invented aal those class ID's etc because you don't wanna manage all your hosts one by one and you can't include all possible options for all clients, because dhcp is using udp and there is a limit for udp packet size....
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[13:39:05] <Gr|ffous> ah
[13:39:24] <Gr|ffous> I can see it working well with smart systems, open boot etc
[13:39:43] <Gr|ffous> but your average machine that is requesting dhcp won't know what it's type is I don't imagine
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[13:42:55] <tsoome> well, it depends
[13:44:10] <tsoome> once pxeboot program will start, it will know what client class to ask for
[13:44:41] <Gr|ffous> pxegrub?
[13:44:48] <tsoome> in solaris case, yes
[13:45:31] <tsoome> pxe bios will only provide PXEClient:Arch:00000:UNDI:002001 as a client class
[13:46:07] <Gr|ffous> yeah I was thinking that the inital bios pxe boot would be pretty primative
[13:46:28] <Gr|ffous> especially with the elcheapo onboard nic that this 5 year old PC will have
[13:47:13] <tsoome> I have no idea if some vendor will let to customize it
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[14:06:34] <negativecreep>  [ID 405830 kern.warning] WARNING: Device sd6 failed to power up.   <--- is it refering to scsi disk 6?
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[14:09:42] <tsoome> try ls -l /dev/sd6a
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[14:10:11] <negativecreep> no such file or directory
[14:11:13] <tsoome> or then prtconf -v and find instance 6
[14:13:50] <negativecreep> thnx..it appears to be a Toshiba CDROM
[14:13:51] <negativecreep> :s
[14:14:48] <lasseoe> didn't know CDROM drives has to powerup :)
[14:15:08] <negativecreep> name='removable-media'
[14:15:23] <tsoome> plug the cable;)
[14:15:31] <negativecreep> name='inquiry-product-id' type=string items=1
[14:15:32] <negativecreep>                         value='XM6201TASUN32XCD'
[14:15:37] <negativecreep> heh..it was plugged in..
[14:15:45] <negativecreep> this machine is like 700 miles from where i am.
[14:15:46] <negativecreep> :)
[14:15:51] <tsoome> :D
[14:16:00] <negativecreep> value='TOSHIBA'
[14:16:10] <negativecreep> i am convinced its a cdrom.
[14:16:10] <negativecreep> :)
[14:16:52] <negativecreep> i still dont understand why syslog is filling up the logs with the power fail message
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[14:24:34] <lasseoe> 700 miles eh?  roadtrip! :)
[14:25:02] <negativecreep> err...
[14:26:32] <negativecreep> i have a core dump from a previous crash.
[14:26:41] <negativecreep> can mdb help in determining what caused the crash?
[14:28:47] <pseudoXh4> Does Solaris have Linux binary emulation?
[14:29:26] <Auralis> not in the way you mean
[14:30:27] <lasseoe> most things will recompile just fine
[14:31:07] <tsoome> negativecreep: yes
[14:31:39] <jmcp> pseudoXh4: you can create a "branded zone" which emulates a 2.4.mumble kernel
[14:31:52] <negativecreep> tsoome, how?
[14:32:45] <tsoome> start mdb and command :msgbuf ?
[14:33:02] <tsoome> for mdb there is a very thick manual;)
[14:33:30] <pseudoXh4> Well, I know NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD let you put stuff in /emul/linux... like, libraries and all, and thus let you run Linux binaries directly..
[14:33:36] <pseudoXh4> I heard Solaris had something similar, but I wasn't sure.
[14:33:45] <pseudoXh4> My main concern is closed source stuff though.
[14:34:54] <Auralis> lookup BrandZ
[14:35:08] <Auralis> its  solaris zone for running a modified linux install
[14:35:21] <jmcp> pseudoXh4: be more specific about your "closed source" concern
[14:35:40] <negativecreep> tsoome, ::msgbuf..no such command.
[14:36:03] <jmcp> negativecreep: did you start "mdb -k" ?
[14:36:06] <jmcp> eg, mdb -k 0
[14:36:07] <negativecreep> yups
[14:36:10] <jmcp> to look @ vmunix.0 and unix.0
[14:36:15] <negativecreep> mdb -k /var/crash/db1/unix.1
[14:36:26] <jmcp> nono, that's not correct
[14:36:32] <jmcp> cd /var/crash/db1 ; mdb -k 1
[14:36:44] <negativecreep> aah
[14:36:47] <jmcp> negativecreep: the unix.* files are effectively just symbol tables
[14:36:54] <jmcp> the vmcore.* file contains the actual data
[14:36:59] <pseudoXh4> jmcp, stuff like Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire (unless there's a Solaris-x86 version?), MATLAB.....
[14:37:00] <pseudoXh4> Skype.
[14:37:01] <negativecreep> okies.
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[14:37:08] <negativecreep> thnx jmcp
[14:37:09] <jmcp> pseudoXh4: give it a go
[14:37:14] <jmcp> negativecreep: nowurries
[14:37:31] <jmcp> pseudoXh4: I think people have gotten skype working in a brandZ zone, but I don't know for sure
[14:37:40] <negativecreep> > :msgbuf
[14:37:41] <negativecreep> mdb: invalid command ':m': unknown dcmd name
[14:37:41] <negativecreep> > ::msgbuf
[14:37:41] <negativecreep> mdb: invalid command '::msgbuf': unknown dcmd name
[14:37:42] <negativecreep> :(
[14:37:47] <pseudoXh4> Ah.. brandZ, you say.
[14:37:48] <jmcp> *two* colons
[14:37:54] <jmcp> negativecreep:     ::msgbuf
[14:37:59] <jmcp> heck
[14:38:05] <jmcp> what rev of Solaris are you running?
[14:38:32] <negativecreep> Kernel version: SunOS 5.9 Generic 117171-07 Jun 2004
[14:38:41] <jmcp> negativecreep: ah ... too old
[14:38:44] <jmcp> for ::msgbuf, at any rate
[14:38:49] <negativecreep> ah
[14:38:50] <jmcp> you'll get more success with    $<msgbuf
[14:39:02] <negativecreep> hmm..
[14:39:20] <tsoome> :)
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[14:44:47] <negativecreep> http://www.pastebin.ca/331003
[14:45:00] <negativecreep> ok thats the relevant part of hte crash..
[14:45:30] <negativecreep> has to do with oracle i suppose
[14:46:09] <jmcp> possibly
[14:46:18] <jmcp> please paste the entire msgbuf
[14:46:30] <negativecreep> k
[14:46:37] <jmcp> line #10 makes me think of over things, too
[14:46:47] <Doc> no. nothing to do with Oracle as such
[14:47:00] <negativecreep> http://www.pastebin.ca/331005
[14:47:10] <negativecreep> thats the whole output
[14:47:11] <Doc> what version of solaris?
[14:47:21] <negativecreep> Doc: Kernel version: SunOS 5.9 Generic 117171-07 Jun 2004
[14:47:22] <jmcp> doc 9
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[14:47:50] <jmcp> negativecreep: an e450?
[14:47:53] <negativecreep> yes
[14:47:58] <jmcp> :)
[14:48:09] <Doc> not on a cluster?
[14:48:14] <negativecreep> nopes
[14:48:17] <negativecreep> standalone.
[14:48:28] <Doc> i'd be running VTS on it...  quite possibly bad hardware
[14:48:31] <jmcp> negativecreep: log a call with Sun requesting CDA and provide the gzipped unix* and vmcore* files, along with explorer output
[14:48:53] <negativecreep> jmcp, we dont have a support contract with Sun.
[14:49:00] <jmcp> then get one
[14:49:17] <negativecreep> have to wait for 6 months.
[14:49:17] <negativecreep> :)
[14:49:20] <jmcp> well .. do you have a support contract with *anybody* for this box?
[14:49:26] <negativecreep> jmcp, no!
[14:49:39] * jmcp shakes head sadly
[14:49:58] <negativecreep> how bad is it doc? ;>
[14:50:05] <negativecreep> is she gonna die?
[14:50:08] <Stric> we'll have to put it to sleep, yes.
[14:50:15] * Stric takes out the shotgun
[14:50:18] <negativecreep> ooh..!!
[14:50:23] <negativecreep> nooooooooo plzzzzz..
[14:50:26] <jmcp> who knows? you need real assistance
[14:50:38] <jmcp> but if you've got media, install+run SunVTS on the box
[14:50:49] <Doc> my money would be on a faulty cpu1, but without the crash dump that's nothing more than an educated guess
[14:50:52] <negativecreep> cdrom is screwed...sd6
[14:50:58] <Doc> there's a good chance VTS will be able to tell you what is wrong
[14:51:14] <negativecreep> ahan
[14:53:19] <negativecreep> thnx for the help guys
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[14:53:25] <Doc> i seem to remember a bug in closeall/closef, but i'll be buggered if i can find it
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[14:55:07] <negativecreep> any mention of it on sun.com?
[14:56:09] <Doc> ahh.. found it. was fixed before solaris 8 was released, so it's not relevant on 8 or later
[14:56:39] <negativecreep> hmm
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[14:58:03] <negativecreep> One type of crash is a BAD TRAP.  Bad traps happen when the kernel takes
[14:58:04] <negativecreep> an unexpected trap.  Things that can cause a trap are trying to access
[14:58:04] <negativecreep> unaligned memory, trying to access memory which is not currently mapped.
[14:58:04] <negativecreep> An example of messages from a bad trap follow:
[14:58:31] <negativecreep> apologies for the multi line paste..
[14:58:34] <Doc> basically a bad trap is either a bug in the kernel, or bad hardware
[14:58:41] <negativecreep> k
[14:58:47] <Doc> in this case, my money would be on bad hardware
[14:59:06] <jteo> why?
[14:59:38] <Doc> 'cos it's easier to say that than to try and find a bug :)
[14:59:48] <negativecreep> :)
[15:00:12] <Stric> and the machine is 5-10 years old, so there could be something that has broken in that time..
[15:00:34] <negativecreep> it has been running fine though for about 4 years..
[15:00:37] <Doc> mainly 'cos i cant find any bugs that match
[15:00:46] <negativecreep> though its about to be replaced with a v880
[15:01:07] <Doc> it could just be one of those random software bugs that rarely shows itself, but without a support contract you're pretty much screwed if it is
[15:01:31] <Doc> anyway... bedtime
[15:01:38] <negativecreep> thnx anyway
[15:01:58] <tsoome> for sw bugs you can always start with checking and installing patches
[15:02:14] <tsoome> thats the first suggestion from support anyhow....
[15:02:19] <negativecreep> true.
[15:03:11] <Doc> you'd better hurry - in a few months you wont be allowed apply most patches without a contract
[15:03:40] <negativecreep> really?
[15:03:58] <Stric> 9patches going 10policy?
[15:04:07] <Doc> yup
[15:04:14] <negativecreep> u mean we wont have free access to cluster patches even with access to sunsolve?
[15:04:20] <Doc> yup
[15:04:26] <negativecreep> any press releasE?
[15:04:29] <negativecreep> i can really use this information
[15:04:34] <Doc> i'm sure there will be at the time
[15:04:36] <negativecreep> to push my management for a support contract.
[15:05:14] <Doc> ok, really gone this time...
[15:05:21] <negativecreep> heh
[15:05:24] <negativecreep> sweet dreams!
[15:11:01] <sickness> hi all
[15:13:39] <jmcp> hi si
[15:13:46] <jmcp> sickness: how's your end of the world?
[15:15:17] <sickness> so good :)
[15:15:20] <sickness> sunny today :)))
[15:16:45] <Stric> the sun just went down here.. it's now 15:16 ;)
[15:17:12] <sickness> 15:16 here too, anyway I think the sun will go down in mmm 2 hours
[15:19:26] <jteo> mmm sun
[15:19:41] <Stric> during winter, it's dark most of the day.. during summer, it doesn't go dark during night
[15:20:07] <Stric> and a bit more north, the sun doesn't rise all days and doesn't set all days.. ;)
[15:20:33] <sickness> lol
[15:20:38] <sickness> weird =)
[15:20:55] <jteo> living here near the equator, weather is binary. either it rains or doesn't.
[15:21:16] <Stric> so the old saying, "there's always one thing that is sure.. the sun will rise tomorrow.." is not very true :)
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[15:22:03] <Stric> jteo: my brother was working in .qa for a while and I went to visit him there.. the weather was not even binary.. "it doesn't rain". :)
[15:23:31] <jteo> Stric: ah
[15:25:10] <sickness> unary operators anyone? :P
[15:25:11] <sickness> ghgh
[15:27:07] <PerterB> hmmm, anyone know a mini-itx motherboard with onboard SATA that's supported by Solaris or SX:CR? All the ones I've been looking at seem to have an unsported VIA chipset (and the HCL entries are unclear whether people tested with SATA or PATA)
[15:33:34] <Kmays> Depending on what youare doing with SATA RAID... research the RocketRAID 1820A and Tyan motherboard solutions. most of the SATA solution under Solaris deal with the Marvell 88SX* and Silicon Image 3124 chipsets.
[15:34:57] <PerterB> aren't tyan boards mostly fullsize ATX?
[15:35:46] <jlc> Kmays: does the RocketRaid 1820A work in solaris?
[15:36:00] <PerterB> but yeah, I'm thinking of going the PCI card route (it's just to build a little NAS box)
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[15:39:41] <Kmays> Device Drivers under Linux at the moment, but one of the better solutions I've found for hardware. The on board SATA solutions are fine if you want to try the Intel DG965PZ motherboard.
[15:40:51] <jlc> Just wondering, i have an 1820A in a rhel4 server at home, because i didn't think solaris worked on it
[15:41:34] <Kmays> ZFS RAID is nice but the ZFS code varies between Sol10u3 and SXCR b55.
[15:41:49] <Kmays> jlc <- How do you like the 1820A?
[15:42:06] <jlc> yeah, i have another sol10u3 server at home and it has a zfs/1.5TB :)
[15:42:23] <jlc> Kmays: it works fine on linux/bsd
[15:42:28] <PerterB> the code isn't a problem, my desktop quite happily dual boots 10u3 and b54 and share a zpool between both
[15:42:43] <jlc> I would be happier if I knew I could drop solaris on it :)
[15:42:51] <jlc> not bad for a cheaper card
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[15:43:43] <jlc> one of the reasons I bought it was because I read a 40 page review of sata cards along time ago and compared to the $700-1000+ cards it did really good
[15:44:54] <jlc> http://tweakers.net/reviews/557/9
[15:45:29] <jlc> keep in mind that is about 2 years old
[15:47:31] <Kmays> I see it mentions the Marvell chipset as well...the newer MArvell chipset is in the Sun X4500 server (Marvell 88SX6081) which packs 48 disks!!
[15:49:32] <jlc> send me one.... :P
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[15:50:54] <Kmays> PeterB <- Does the Intel board I mention fit the size your looking for?
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[15:52:13] <PerterB> hmm, maybe... different form factor to mini-itx but that might not matter
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[16:06:07] <Kmays> The Areca solutions do have Solaris device drivers and support for their RAID products. Just a more costlier solution. (http://www.areca.com.tw/products/pcie341.htm)
[16:07:21] <Kmays> (or just get a OS-independent RAID solution).
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[16:12:18] <quasi> http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AoC-SAT2-MV8.cfm is a fairly cheap way to get the marvell controller
[16:19:21] <axisys> is the libc patch necessary for the DST? this page says so http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102775-1
[16:19:31] <axisys> anyone think otherwise?
[16:20:15] <Fish> ++
[16:20:20] <axisys> that means need to take a system in single user mode.. ouch! i have 300 prod servers
[16:21:18] * jteo mutters a prayer
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[16:21:44] <tsoome> single user to update a timezone?
[16:22:05] <PerterB> there is changed code in libc for some timezones, but I don't know which ones
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[16:23:07] <tsoome> a ok I didn't notice there are 2 patches...
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[16:26:41] <axisys> and for organization like us, with some sol 7, it will cost money as well :-(
[16:26:58] <axisys> luckily most are 8, 9 or 10 that we manage
[16:27:17] <PerterB> think of it as an opportunity to get rid of those 7 boxes
[16:27:54] <axisys> PerterB: except some critical apps that only run on 7 unless we bring the vendor to upgrade the app for 8
[16:28:01] <PerterB> ah, ouch
[16:28:03] <axisys> so cost money either ways
[16:28:10] <Kmays> PeterB <- AOpen i945GTt-VFA motherboard?
[16:30:23] <PerterB> saw that, wasn't sure if the chipset was supported
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[16:32:53] <Kmays> mos of the ones like the EPIA EX15000G require device drivers not supported under Solaris x86.
[16:33:10] <PerterB> right, that was the starting point for my question
[16:35:04] <Stric> axisys: another option is to do manual summertime stuff 1-2 times a year until those machines are replaced
[16:36:04] <axisys> Stric: u mean like changing the date on Mar and Nov manually?
[16:36:52] <Stric> axisys: just fake the automatic time change..
[16:37:25] <axisys> Stric: how do i change the time system wide?
[16:37:33] <lasseoe> man date
[16:37:44] <axisys> lasseoe: hehe.. i love u man
[16:38:01] <lasseoe> hm, but if you're using ntp then it's a problem
[16:38:04] <axisys> lasseoe: u never miss .. do u? hehe
[16:38:11] <lasseoe> :)
[16:39:11] <axisys> NTP only updates the UTC clock. It has nothing to do with any timezone
[16:39:20] <axisys> that was quote from http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5121219&messageID=9423819
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[16:39:44] <lasseoe> yes
[16:39:45] <axisys> from Darren
[16:40:05] <lasseoe> but if you manually change the time using date, then ntp will set it right back again
[16:40:18] <lasseoe> pretty sure it will
[16:40:19] <axisys> lasseoe: it wont sync the hour
[16:40:23] <Stric> it's not a solution, but it's a workaround
[16:40:36] <axisys> lasseoe: it only syncs mins and secs
[16:40:51] <Stric> axisys: correction, if it's too much off then it won't sync at all
[16:41:04] <lasseoe> true
[16:41:23] <Stric> don't remember where the limit is.. if it's more or less than 1h..
[16:41:47] <axisys> Stric: so it wont touch the hour correct?
[16:42:03] <axisys> thats how i remember
[16:42:10] <Stric> so it won't touch at all
[16:42:17] <axisys> gotcha
[16:42:25] <Stric> and log that your clock is way off, fix it
[16:42:40] <axisys> gotcha
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[16:44:21] <Stric> hm. ntpd on my debian machine has 1000s sanity limit.. if it's more off than that, ntpd just exits..
[16:44:30] <Stric> trying to find the same info in solaris' xntpd
[16:45:18] <axisys> Stric: if i switch to GMT then I dont have to worry about DST.. i guess that would be simpler soln
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[16:46:41] <tsoome> Stric: I think it was like 30 or 60 minutes
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[16:50:17] <tsoome> axisys: timezone calculation is not important for you but for your app:P
[16:52:25] <axisys> tsoome: im still fuzzy in the issue
[16:52:42] <tsoome> howcome?
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[16:53:11] <axisys> tsoome: if i change the TZ to GMT doesnt that mean my apps will have the correct time?
[16:53:33] <tsoome> how they can have a correct time?
[16:53:42] <tsoome> in what timezone are you living?
[16:53:52] <tsoome> or your apps...
[16:54:47] <tsoome> if you will change tz to GMT, you have to do tz calculation in your head;)
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[16:55:21] <tsoome> quite a stupid job to do, isn't it;)
[16:57:05] <axisys> so u r saying TZ to GMT fixes the DST issue as well ?! or so implied in your previous two lines
[16:57:30] <tsoome> GMT is just a GMT, without any DST
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[16:58:23] <tsoome> using a gmt means you have to calculate your timezone time by yourself
[17:00:13] <lasseoe> you could set it to GMT +/- timezone difference, but then during DST it's still off by an hour
[17:00:55] <lasseoe> compared to local time tat is
[17:00:58] <tsoome> and it's still static mapping and doesn't match the actual DST rules you have in your local timezone
[17:01:17] <axisys> lasseoe: if my system timezone is GMT that i should be ok actually
[17:01:18] <tsoome> as the actual rules will change from time to time
[17:01:33] <lasseoe> axisys: I don't see how it changes anything
[17:02:25] <axisys> well GMT is the universal time which wont change w/ DST.. i am almost positive
[17:02:44] <lasseoe> Greenwich Mean Time, yes it doesn't compensate for DST
[17:03:12] <tsoome> if your apps do not have to have any idea about correct local time, gmt based calculation is just fine
[17:03:20] <lasseoe> yup
[17:03:25] <axisys> excellent!
[17:03:49] <lasseoe> if you're troubleshooting or doing statistic, then you have yo manually do the math :)
[17:03:53] <axisys> i can live w/ that for sol 7 ( i think i have two or three of them)
[17:04:07] <tsoome> if your local apps have to produce output of correct local time, GMT based calculation will produce a wrong result
[17:04:20] <axisys> tsoome: yep.. understood
[17:06:10] <tsoome> for extonia there are like 12 changes in rules how to calculate local time (from 1880)
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[18:01:58] <estibi> hi
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[19:26:51] <cneira> where can i find python-devel package ?
[19:30:18] <W^^harddd^^> try www.sunfreeware.com
[19:30:26] <W^^harddd^^> or www.blastwave.org
[19:30:41] <W^^harddd^^> u will get python . but not sure about python-devel
[19:32:34] <cneira> i have built wine 0.9.29 , i dont know how to pkg it
[19:33:35] <estibi> is python-devel include only header files ?
[19:34:08] <W^^harddd^^> estibi: i m not sure about that
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[19:35:08] <estibi> in linux world *-devel means only header files
[19:35:12] <cneira>  WARNING: Cannot find pthread library. Python lib check may fail
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[19:36:18] <whaq> The windows storage server has a feature where identical files on disk don't take more space than a single instance of it.. does solaris\zfs have this feature?
[19:39:21] <cneira> i thought windows was for games
[19:40:07] <tsoome> cneira: welcome to real world;)
[19:43:45] <andersmo> whaq: unix file systems in general have had the ability to have the same file appear as multiple "files" in the file system for a long time.
[19:44:22] <andersmo> whaq: en.wikikpedia.org/wiki/Hard_links =)
[19:45:03] <whaq> andersmo: is there any utility to automatically create sym\hard-links on any new file created? this'll be really handy on file servers
[19:45:38] <whaq> andersmo: yeah, my point is the window storage server supposedly have this feature to optimize their storage..
[19:45:55] <andersmo> whaq: yeah, there are scripts around that walk the file system and link identical files together.
[19:46:52] <tsoome> it's not about linking
[19:46:57] <whaq> is it 'safe' to use? any disclaimers?
[19:47:05] <tsoome> every file does have a owner
[19:47:20] <tsoome> and only a owner can set permissions
[19:47:43] <tsoome> so if you link files from different users......
[19:47:50] <whaq> true..
[19:47:52] <tsoome> not a good idea....
[19:48:26] <tsoome> plus, in case of any changes the files are not identical and separate copy must be created
[19:48:58] <whaq> so what's the proper way to do it?
[19:48:59] <tsoome> so, basically on data block level this is probably possible to do, but I doubt it's worth the work
[19:50:06] <whaq> just found MS' whitepaper on this.. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itshowcase/content/sistwp.mspx
[19:50:28] <tsoome> btw, jes mailserver can do this kind of file sharing, but in jes case the owners are managed in jes software, not on filesystem level
[19:50:47] <andersmo> I think I saw someone who proposed adding content-adressable features to zfs (basically addressing blocks by their checksums and using strong hashes for checksums). Maybe that's what the wss thingy does - I dunno. =)
[19:51:52] <whaq> this thing can generate humongous space saving on a lot of file serving scenarios
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[19:56:00] <andersmo> ...wonder how much work it'd be to hack something like that into samba... you'd need a database of file names and hashes, a daemon to walk said database and update it as well as create links, and a hook in samba to intercept writes and do COW. Hm. Kinda sounds like a fun project. =)
[19:57:50] <tsoome> :)
[19:57:54] <whaq> fun = doable + worthwhile :>
[19:57:55] <andersmo> Cyrus also does single-instance store of email messages, but just uses hardlinks, since on the file system layer only cyrus is the owner, and no files are changed after delivery - IMAP messages are immutable after delivery. (their flags aren't, though, but those are managed separately.)
[19:58:29] <DerJoern> novell is doing this in their mail server for a long time
[19:58:44] <tsoome> mail server is a obvious target anyhow
[19:59:33] <elektronkind> I'm in the process of starting the implementation of my uni's new mail system, based on cyrus+murder
[19:59:55] <elektronkind> 20k users to move from uw-imapd+AFS to cyrus+murder
[20:00:16] <andersmo> elektronkind: I just did (almost) that last summer and autumn. Fun project. =)
[20:00:39] <elektronkind> I'm going to use perdition to straddle the two systems so I can move people in chunks
[20:01:03] <elektronkind> andersmo: awesome :) I can't wait to get mail off of AFS here.
[20:01:23] <tsoome> on reguler faile system... you have to keep a DB of data block checksums...
[20:01:54] <tsoome> quite a overhead on file creation....
[20:02:15] <elektronkind> 4x X4100s for the murder/mupdate servers, 5x X4100s front-ending the imap and pop3 connections, and two stk 6140s to store it all.
[20:02:24] <elektronkind> using zfs (but of course)
[20:02:43] <andersmo> Went from 3xSunFire v480 machines (4CPU, 16GB RAM) (and some frontend dell machines for perdition proxies as well as other semi-related duties) to 2xSunFire v240 with 2 CPUs and 8GBs of RAM each as backends.
[20:03:03] <andersmo> And those two machines are mostly yawning. =)
[20:03:09] <elektronkind> I bet :)
[20:03:13] <andersmo> While the three old ones were working very hard. =)
[20:03:16] <elektronkind> always better to have too much than too lttle
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[20:03:27] <elektronkind> what were you running prior to cyrus?
[20:03:32] <andersmo> uw-imapd
[20:03:44] <andersmo> On S9 and vxfs.
[20:03:51] <andersmo> New system is S10, still vxfs.
[20:03:56] <mrdeviant> elektronkind, are you the guy doing the openafs solaris warning cleanups ?
[20:03:58] <whaq> andersmo: how many users on those irons?
[20:04:04] <elektronkind> mrdeviant: the same
[20:04:13] <elektronkind> mrdeviant: working on it now, in fact.
[20:04:22] <andersmo> whaq: 30K accounts, maybe 20K active, ~2 TB of email.
[20:04:36] <mrdeviant> cool. that work really needed to be done. :)
[20:04:41] <whaq> cool
[20:04:58] <jamesd> andersmo, wow do you really bother storing  1.99TB of spam?
[20:05:29] <andersmo> those machines also doubled as NFS servers for home directories, they're still doing that, but now they're yawning as well. =)
[20:05:39] <elektronkind> mrdeviant: yeah, no kidding :) I'm even thinking of going so far as making it lint-clean too
[20:05:52] <mrdeviant> *gasp!*
[20:05:54] <elektronkind> (just the solaris client code)
[20:06:17] <andersmo> (and will be consolidated into one machine RSN)
[20:06:49] <andersmo> jamesd: Why do you think 1.99TB of that is spam? =)
[20:07:16] <jamesd> andersmo, you said email...  over 90% of all email is spam these days..
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[20:07:56] <mrdeviant> not necessarily on all systems, jamesd
[20:08:07] <andersmo> Hopefully not everything makes it through our email gateways (and even if a lot of it does, our users are very eager to exchange documents and other files via email - that's where the volume is)
[20:09:12] <estibi> hmm, how to verify md5 sums without 'md5sum', when in file are lines like 927d8376df0ea39737a3b66e06fe1902  sol-10-u3-ga-x86-dvd-iso-a.zip ?
[20:09:35] <tsoome> man digest
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[20:12:55] <estibi> yeah, but digest uses that pattern: md5 (md5sum-x86.list.txt) = 045a3a62c6986d9016fe9fd818bade18, file name is before its sum
[20:16:11] <CosmicDJ_> estibi: and?
[20:17:53] <estibi> i need to verify dvd images
[20:18:08] <estibi> digest only create sums
[20:19:51] <estibi> yeah, that is not a problem ... but i remember that openssl can do that in fimple way ...
[20:20:01] <estibi> simple*
[20:21:19] <CosmicDJ_> openssl dgst md5 file ? looks almost exactly like digest
[20:21:50] <elektronkind> it is
[20:21:58] <elektronkind> openssl md5 <file>
[20:22:55] <estibi> heh, i know but ...
[20:23:35] <estibi> cat my_md5s.txt
[20:23:38] <estibi> 927d8376df0ea39737a3b66e06fe1902  sol-10-u3-ga-x86-dvd-iso-a.zip
[20:23:39] <estibi> 7206f08b6df3f3691d2d8047ebe7031b  sol-10-u3-ga-x86-dvd-iso-b.zip
[20:23:43] <estibi> :)
[20:24:00] <estibi> md5sum -c my_sums.txt
[20:24:15] <mrdeviant> so just bloody install md5sum then
[20:24:16] <estibi> i need something like md5sum
[20:24:16] <CosmicDJ_> I'm sure you can compare 2 md5's without any program...
[20:24:20] <andersmo> estibi: what's stopping you from comparing the md5 sums manually? =)
[20:24:48] <estibi> it has 10 lines :)
[20:24:57] <Chile`> god forbid you use your eyes
[20:25:05] <mrdeviant> oh no! the horror!
[20:25:06] * elektronkind does his best Brando imitation... "The HORROR"
[20:25:09] <estibi> but as i sad that is not problem
[20:25:12] <elektronkind> haha
[20:25:20] <CosmicDJ_> write a shell/pyhton/perl/etc ipt..
[20:25:21] <estibi> :D
[20:25:32] <CosmicDJ_> +scr
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[20:25:45] <Chile`> interesting typo
[20:25:58] <CosmicDJ_> estibi: or you could use gnumd5 from lastwave's textutils pkg
[20:26:33] <CosmicDJ_> Chile`: seems like my terminal does't like umlauts...
[20:26:58] * elektronkind thinks estibi just needs to figure it out for himself. If he wants md5sum functionality, he should bloody well use md5sum.
[20:27:15] <andersmo> sed 's/md5 (\([^)]+\) = \([0-9a-f]+\)/\2  \1/' <- modulo escapes and all that shit. =)
[20:31:10] <estibi> ok
[20:31:14] <estibi> for i in sol-10-u3-ga-x86-dvd-iso-* ; do grep `digest -a md5 ${i}` md5sum-x86.list.txt || echo "error" ; done
[20:31:27] <estibi> :D
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[20:35:51] <CosmicDJ_> not pretty but it seems you solved your problem ;)
[20:36:26] <e^ipi> unix wins again!
[20:38:34] <estibi> hehe :)
[20:44:01] <elektronkind> lol, unix
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[20:59:37] <delewis> you know, md5sums for those ISOs are quite useless.
[20:59:44] <delewis> zip files have internal checksums.
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[21:30:49] <_william_> hi all
[21:31:35] <estibi> hi _william_
[21:31:50] <CosmicDJ_> bonjour _william_ ;)
[21:32:19] <ly___schi> hi
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[21:32:44] <_william_> hi schily , hi estibi , hi CosmicDJ_
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[21:33:58] <schily> Does someone know whether we could find people to help with a OpenSour Sparc Hardware project?
[21:34:24] <e^ipi> i read your message on osol-discuss regarding that
[21:34:33] <e^ipi> why a 32 bit sparc? it couldn't run solaris
[21:34:42] <schily> There is a chipdesigner in Berlin.... correct
[21:34:58] <schily> 64 bit would most likely not fit into a gate array
[21:35:26] <e^ipi> so it'd ultimately be more a proof of concept?
[21:35:35] <e^ipi> that runs linux or whatever
[21:35:55] <schily> Solaris did run on 32 bit sparcs, we would need to port it by creating the needed low level code
[21:36:20] <pseudoXh4> Are there any equivalents of "netstumbler" for Solaris?
[21:36:20] <schily> If you have also a free (OSS) wlan chip, it would be more.....
[21:36:41] <pseudoXh4> I have a wifi card I will be messing with and want to check my signal strengths.
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[21:38:40] <GeniACK> Can i download opensolaris via ftp or torrent somewhere?
[21:39:31] <schily> Du you have firmware that alliws the wifi card to be used
[21:39:40] <schily> with the car to car Wlan standard?
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[21:40:08] <e^ipi> GeniACK: you can download the Nexenta opensolaris distro via torrent IIRC
[21:40:21] <lloy0076> Do you need to download the internationalisation packages for the JDS?
[21:40:48] <lloy0076> (or can you avoid downloading them if you only plan to speak English?)
[21:40:53] <e^ipi> actually, speaking of osol distros, schily: has schillix been updated since build 32-ish?
[21:41:16] <dinolinux> it's been discontinued afaik
[21:41:19] <GeniACK> i want opensolaris express community edition
[21:41:21] <dinolinux> said so on the main page
[21:41:36] <CosmicDJ> ON src from 08/16/2006 is also available via torrent...
[21:41:37] <schily> No, I need to do this but I would need help for SchilliX....
[21:41:42] <GeniACK> just via torrent or ftp, without any additional language support or stuff
[21:41:52] <schily> There are several people who did write me they like to help
[21:41:55] <dinolinux> schily: what kind of help?
[21:42:04] <e^ipi> GeniACK: SX:CR contains encryption stuff
[21:42:12] <e^ipi> and Sun doesn't want to lose their export license
[21:42:13] <schily> but when I asked them what help they might provide, I did never receive an answer
[21:42:22] <e^ipi> so grab it from sun's download centre
[21:42:30] <e^ipi> it's the only (legal) source
[21:42:55] <GeniACK> mmh... okay, thx
[21:43:07] <schily> I would need help with the web page and I would need help with the X package this is the most important things
[21:43:26] <e^ipi> schily: tbh, i think the whole point is lost considering the existence of libc_i18n.a
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[21:43:50] <e^ipi> my main gripe is that that needs to be reimplemented before a distro completely divorced from sun can exist
[21:43:55] <CosmicDJ> GeniACK: www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
[21:44:15] <e^ipi> the rest of closed_bins can be replaced with stuff lifted from OpenBSD
[21:44:16] <CosmicDJ> GeniACK: you have to register to download SX:CR though
[21:44:45] <schily> mmm the reason why I did not update Schillix since March 2006 is the following:
[21:44:46] <dinolinux> schily: did you plan a sparc port for schilix?
[21:46:12] <e^ipi> and i dug through the O/N source looking for defined/used but unimplemented functions in libc, there should only be about 150 functions that libc_i18n.a provides
[21:46:25] <Kmays> schily: no b56+ ?
[21:46:26] <e^ipi> stuff like wcwidth()
[21:46:46] <schily> 1) Build 33 and newer does not run on old opterons.... and I did have them
[21:46:49] <e^ipi> should be easy enough for sun to hire a dude to reimplement, or steal IBM's opensource implementation
[21:47:00] <schily> 1a) I did buy new ones....
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[21:47:18] <schily> 2) I did not have as much time as 2005
[21:47:28] <schily> 3) I needed to work on cdrtools.....
[21:47:43] <schily> PLease hold a while, I get a phone call...
[21:48:18] <dinolinux> probably a government agency telling you not to talk too much :P
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[21:49:37] <schily> There is probably the idea to cooperate with Martux
[21:51:34] <pikapika> hello
[21:52:43] <Kmays> schily: Martux/Schily would be a good merger...
[21:53:51] <Kmays> Need some consistency amongest the distros..
[21:54:25] <schily> Thr problem is that even though Martin is in Berlin, I did never meet him
[21:58:46] <estibi> hi pikapika
[21:59:07] <pikapika> :)
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[22:02:33] <kimc> i've just setup a machine with a serial console but the windowing system starts on the built-in display.. how can i stop that ?
[22:03:33] <Kmays> schily: you need an Xorg 6.9 package or 7.1+ ?
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[22:11:12] <Kmays> <- (always wondered why we couldn't just fork SXCR into many distros to keep things consistent and even have an embeddable version)
[22:11:25] <Kmays> ;)
[22:11:36] <e^ipi> libc_i18n.a is why
[22:11:48] <e^ipi> the i18n stuff, which libc makes heavy use of, is closed
[22:13:02] <dojtoll> I can't get my emulex LP9002DC to work witg b54. I've installed all things stated on http://www.emulex.com/ts/downloads/solsfs/sol10_sparc.html . hbaanyware states it cant find any HBAs
[22:13:07] <dojtoll> with even
[22:13:24] <dojtoll> Ant clue?
[22:13:25] <dojtoll> any...
[22:13:26] <dojtoll> =)
[22:14:53] <jmcp> dojtoll: what process/procedure did you use to install the software?
[22:15:03] <jmcp> hold that .. I'll be back in  asec
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[22:21:43] <jmcp> dojtoll: sorry about that ... slight problem with gaim and a plugin :(
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[22:29:12] <richlowe> hey Gman.
[22:30:20] <dojtoll> jmcp: np
[22:30:35] <jmcp> dojtoll: so ... what did you do to install the software?
[22:30:46] <dojtoll> jmcp: I install the packages with pkgadd.
[22:30:49] <dojtoll> No errors there.
[22:30:54] <jmcp> ok
[22:31:03] <jmcp> what's the pci vendor and device-id?
[22:32:50] <dojtoll> It's a 220r. It just rebooted the machine (again)
[22:33:03] <dojtoll> brb
[22:33:25] <Gman> richlowe, hey hey
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[22:42:25] <axisys> time to boycott godaddy.com
[22:45:13] <e^ipi> ?
[22:46:00] <axisys> http://news.com.com/GoDaddy+pulls+security+site+after+MySpace+complaints/2100-1025_3-6153607.html
[22:48:18] <dinolinux> uh
[22:48:32] <dinolinux> i never used godaddy.com ...and never will
[22:49:35] <dojtoll> This can't be good: zsh: segmentation fault  prtconf -v
[22:51:03] <estibi> ugh
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[22:53:44] <dojtoll> jmcp: How do a find the pci-vendor and device-id?
[22:54:32] <jmcp> prtconf -v /path/to/emulex_hba
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[22:57:06] <dojtoll> zsh: segmentation fault  prtconf -v
[22:57:13] <dojtoll> I've got a big problem...
[22:58:03] <jmcp> yup
[22:58:12] <dojtoll> I think I have broke something...
[22:58:15] <jmcp> does /sbin/sh segfault too?
[22:58:31] <dojtoll> Yepps
[23:00:05] <axisys> dojtoll: u may have to upgrade your OS to same version
[23:00:40] <richlowe> Hm, what did you change to cause that?
[23:01:15] <dojtoll> axisys: Upgrade from B54 to B55? Don't think thats the problem.
[23:02:03] <dojtoll> richlowe: I've done a full install. Installed patches stated on http://www.emulex.com/ts/downloads/solsfs/sol10_sparc.html . Installed drivers for my JNI FCE-6410-N.
[23:02:24] <axisys> dojtoll: upgrade may fix the binaries
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[23:04:14] <dojtoll> axisys: true... But I'm thinking of a fresh install..
[23:04:48] <axisys> dojtoll: hmm .. w/ upgrade your data wont be lost
[23:05:07] <dojtoll> Well, I think I need to lose som data...
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[23:05:25] <dojtoll> The extra data couses a problem. =)
[23:06:08] <axisys> dojtoll: i did upgrade in the past.. with data intact .. only OS got upgraded
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[23:08:19] <dojtoll> axisys: I need a fresh system. So I'll reinstall
[23:08:34] <jmcp> Gman: who does our gaim builds?
[23:11:17] <Gman> jmcp, the RE team - damien usually i think
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[23:11:54] <jmcp> Gman: ta. There was a definition removed from /usr/include/gaim/gtklog.h between snv_49 and snv_56 without which you can't build the gaim encryption plugin
[23:12:16] <Gman> lemme look
[23:12:49] <jmcp> _GaimGtkLogViewer // GaimGtkLogViewer
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[23:12:52] <Gman> have the -devel package installled?
[23:13:19] <jmcp> gaim-devel?
[23:13:30] * Gman has it on his vermillion_57 install [based on 2.18]
[23:13:33] <jmcp> nope
[23:13:34] <Gman> SUNWgnome-im-client-devel
[23:13:38] <jmcp> gah
[23:13:47] <Gman> :)
[23:14:34] * jmcp blats
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[23:16:36] <schily> back again.....
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[23:49:15] <elektronkind> nm -u is so my friend
[23:51:17] <e^ipi> care to expand?
[23:56:19] <elektronkind> e^ipi: I'm tracking down deprecated interfaces in a kernel module
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