January 27, 2007 
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January 27, 2007 [00:01:06] <delewis> no Nexenta for SPARC, last I checked, so I haven't been to motivated to try it :-) [00:02:37] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [00:03:47] *** slowho1 has joined #opensolaris [00:08:13] <pseudoXh4> Does Solaris only use modules for drivers, or could they possibly be built into the kernel? [00:09:24] <delewis> you don't "build" the kernel, period. [00:09:31] <delewis> so yes, they're all modules. [00:09:40] <pseudoXh4> Hmm, what do you mean? [00:09:48] *** dme_ has joined #opensolaris [00:09:53] <pseudoXh4> I mean. [00:09:53] <delewis> I mean you have no incentive to rebuild the kernel. [00:09:58] <pseudoXh4> Compiled into the kernel... [00:09:59] <pseudoXh4> Ah. [00:10:04] <delewis> unless you're doing kernel development or just want to see the build process for yourself. [00:10:18] *** slowhog has quit IRC [00:10:19] <CIA-22> aa72041: 6509736 Warning messages seen with cfgadm configure command on Sun-Blade-T6300 [00:10:20] *** dme has quit IRC [00:17:10] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [00:19:34] <sommerfeld> the solaris way is that drivers don't belong in the kernel [00:19:46] <sommerfeld> or, rather, in the core kernel binaries (unix/genunix) [00:20:09] <sommerfeld> they run in the kernel address space, but that's different [00:22:41] <sickness> i'm back [00:23:50] <jamesd> damm call the doctor the sickness is back AGAIN! [00:23:59] <sickness> ghgh [00:24:32] *** flowtech has quit IRC [00:26:43] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [00:28:36] *** flowtech has joined #opensolaris [00:36:58] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:37:50] *** pseudoXh4 has quit IRC [00:39:19] *** TrogL has quit IRC [00:40:03] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [00:40:34] <lloy0076> Who in the world makes the videos for Sun? I have no idea what the guys who made the Sun Java Studio Video were smoking when they made it. [00:44:41] <tg> wheres that video? [00:45:55] *** xinkeT has quit IRC [00:45:58] <lloy0076> Well, presentation thing. [00:46:16] <lloy0076> http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/overview/tours/prodtour/flash/index.html [00:46:26] <lloy0076> It has a bear, flying source and peculiar sounds [00:46:28] <lloy0076> . [00:46:45] <lloy0076> I also find the guy's accent rather funny (but that's because I'm not used to hearing that type of accent) [00:46:58] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris [00:48:32] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [00:50:16] *** kimc has quit IRC [01:01:20] *** dvorak has quit IRC [01:02:20] *** dvorak has joined #opensolaris [01:03:35] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [01:06:18] <CIA-22> Adam Leventhal: 6516175 zfs_send()/zfs_receive() should take file descriptor arguments [01:11:13] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [01:12:25] <CIA-22> qz150045: 6427784 Solaris need be updated to support OBP changes(FWARC 2006/224) for the type7C keyboards [01:12:43] <Tpenta> !seen gman [01:12:46] <Drone> Gman (Gman!i=gman@nat/sun/x-0f40bd59a29e5665) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 26 Jan 2007 22:52 GMT, saying 'check out the virtual consoles project on opensolaris.org'. [01:13:01] <Tpenta> oi, you around GmanAFK? [01:14:50] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [01:15:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [01:19:37] *** slowho1 has quit IRC [01:21:54] *** DebolazY has joined #opensolaris [01:22:25] *** swa__ has quit IRC [01:23:51] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [01:24:47] *** swa__ has joined #opensolaris [01:25:12] *** DebolazZ has joined #opensolaris [01:35:29] *** twocarlo has quit IRC [01:39:44] *** DebolazX has quit IRC [01:39:57] *** DebolazY has quit IRC [01:42:36] *** MikeE has quit IRC [01:50:18] *** Tramsie has quit IRC [01:56:14] *** robelkin has quit IRC [01:59:09] *** coffman has quit IRC [02:02:40] *** rodrik-brown has joined #opensolaris [02:02:59] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [02:11:07] *** slowhog has quit IRC [02:12:24] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [02:26:07] *** hspaans has quit IRC [02:26:51] <gdamore> anyone know who owns the kb8042 in Solaris? [02:27:51] <alanc> what makes you think anyone does? [02:27:56] <gdamore> heh. [02:28:15] <gdamore> we need to see the kb8042 code on SPARC backported to S10. [02:28:36] <gdamore> its needed for our laptops, including incidentally the OEM'd Ultra 3. [02:29:08] <alanc> I think the USB team sort of owns it, but am not sure [02:29:23] <gdamore> 'kay. tks. I'm sending mail to -code and laptop-discuss. we'll see. [02:30:53] <gdamore> heh. just got (and responded to) my first request to review code from Sun while not also a Sun employee. :-) [02:32:01] <stevel> we [02:32:03] <stevel> deh [02:32:13] <stevel> we've had a few RTIs submitted with external code reviewers [02:32:58] *** y___schil has joined #opensolaris [02:33:28] <gdamore> no idea if i will be cited in the RTI or not, but I was pleased to see the code review go out to a community list. [02:36:57] <stevel> yeah, i've been happy to see the # of community code reviews increasing [02:37:27] <gdamore> anyway, weekend time now. :-) hasta lunes. (til monday) [02:40:17] *** tmclaugh has joined #OpenSolaris [02:40:45] *** gongoputch has joined #opensolaris [02:42:53] <gongoputch> I heard a rumor that Solaris 11 will have Xen ... [02:43:55] *** ad1 has left #opensolaris [02:44:17] <dfgas> will a via_rhine nic work in solaris? [02:44:33] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [02:44:40] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [02:44:47] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [02:45:08] <postwait_> In a zone, I know you can add fs type special to mount back into the global zone's directory heirarchy [02:45:23] <jbk> dunno if it'll be included, but they have been working on xen support for a while [02:45:25] <postwait_> Can I "mount" a unix domain socket into a zone that way? [02:45:50] <gongoputch> jbk: that is great! [02:46:24] <jbk> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/ [02:47:48] <gongoputch> the new generation of CPUs have make virtualization intriguing again [02:49:57] *** ___schily has quit IRC [03:00:35] *** DebolazZ has quit IRC [03:04:33] *** stevel has quit IRC [03:06:02] <dfgas> how do i find out if my hardware is compatible? [03:06:23] *** deedaw has quit IRC [03:07:38] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [03:10:52] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [03:12:44] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC [03:16:42] <dwc-> there's a hardware compatibility list on sun's website [03:18:23] <comay> dfgas: visit http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html [03:18:46] <comay> it's a java program that runs under linux, windows and will tell you about your devices and solaris support for them [03:20:34] <dfgas> arghh [03:20:41] <dfgas> i have solaris installed already [03:20:42] <dfgas> lol [03:21:48] <comay> lol, sorry. were you referring to xen? [03:22:01] <dfgas> but i have no sound and no network [03:22:05] <comay> btw, the program also runs on solaris [03:22:09] <axisys> anyone run splunk? it is stuck like lighttpd for benr [03:22:10] <comay> :-) [03:22:30] *** comay has quit IRC [03:23:04] <axisys> i ran this like Bryan Cantrill suggested for ben's problem [03:23:07] <axisys> dtrace -n profile-1234hz'/pid == 8643/{@[stack()] = count()}' [03:23:18] <axisys> no go.. 8643 is my process id [03:24:05] <axisys> i also ran it like Dennis Clarke suggested [03:24:06] <axisys> ps -ecflL -o user,pid,ppid,vsz,uid,s,lwp,rss,wchan,args | grep splunkd [03:24:50] <axisys> and i got this http://rafb.net/p/1oXBiP41.html [03:24:51] <Doc> blah.. what would Bryan Cantrill know about dtrace? [03:25:05] <axisys> Doc: hehe [03:25:07] <jbk> :) [03:25:28] <Doc> what's the problem? it's just hung? [03:25:39] <axisys> Doc: yep.. not taking kill -9 [03:26:01] <jbk> does truss work? [03:26:06] <Doc> hmm.. that's a kernel issue then [03:26:31] <jbk> bad disk? [03:26:38] *** hile_ has quit IRC [03:26:41] <Doc> does this happen immediately or after a while? [03:26:51] <axisys> jbk: nawp.. i get this [03:26:52] <axisys> truss: no such process: 8643 [03:27:10] <axisys> u20 w/ b55 [03:27:26] <axisys> jbk: doubt it.. new system new disk [03:27:44] <jbk> strange [03:27:49] <axisys> Doc: first time happend.. started testing for a week now [03:27:59] <Doc> so it's still in the "hung" state? [03:28:14] <jbk> and ps shows it's still there? [03:28:37] <axisys> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/1oXBiP41.html [03:28:46] <axisys> Doc: yep [03:29:10] <Doc> axisys: msg me your email address and i'll send you something to run on the system that will grab kernel state for everything [03:29:25] <jbk> time to bust out mdb perhaps [03:30:15] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [03:30:30] <jbk> unfortunately, my mdb-fu is weak [03:30:39] <axisys> jbk: mine too [03:31:15] <Doc> ok, I've just sent you ACT - install/run it and send me the output [03:31:20] <jbk> i think you can do ::ps, grab the addr of proc_t [03:32:10] <jbk> the print it out [03:32:20] *** alfism has quit IRC [03:32:37] <jbk> and then coudl see what's going on in the kernel for each thread [03:32:48] <jbk> though that next step, i can't quite remember how to do [03:35:15] <GmanAFK> Tpenta, here [03:35:34] *** bondolo has quit IRC [03:42:08] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC [03:43:10] *** coffman has quit IRC [03:45:13] <axisys> Doc: no go.. msg'd u the details [03:46:06] <jbk> try mdb -k [03:46:36] <jbk> 0t8643::pid2proc [03:46:49] <jbk> take result [03:47:01] <jbk> result::print proc_t [03:47:45] <axisys> jbk: let me try that [03:48:00] <jbk> while you're doing that, i'll hit up the mdb guide :) [03:48:36] <axisys> jbk ::help ;-) [03:48:56] <jbk> doesn't help if the modules aren't loaded [03:48:56] <axisys> i am saving this [03:48:57] <axisys> ::log /tmp/mdb [03:49:08] <axisys> jbk: true [03:49:49] <jbk> that should give you the contents of splunk's proc_t [03:50:24] <axisys> jbk: i got 641 line output [03:50:59] <jbk> ok.. what's the value of p_tlist ? [03:51:16] <axisys> 0xffffffff8cbdeda0 [03:51:39] <jbk> ok, i _think_ you can do 'ffffffff8cbdeda0::stack' [03:52:34] <jbk> though let me browse the docs here real quick [03:52:36] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [03:53:03] <axisys> ffffffff8cbdeda0::stack gave me nothing [03:53:07] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:53:29] <jbk> ahh try 'ffffffff8cbdeda0::findstack' [03:54:14] <jbk> also, from the ::print proc_t, what was the value of p_lwpcnt ? [03:54:17] <jbk> 1 or 2 ? [03:55:00] <Doc> axisys: ahh.. doesnt support nevada it seems.. blah [03:57:33] <axisys> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/GLECD938.html [03:58:05] <jbk> hmm.. [03:58:22] <jbk> it looks like it's trying to exit and is getting stuck [03:58:25] <axisys> ::print proc_t gives long output.. paste it in pastebin? [03:58:27] <jbk> if i'm interpeting things correctly [03:58:34] <jbk> that would probably be better [03:59:37] <axisys> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/jybQAc69.html [04:02:05] <axisys> Doc: ok [04:02:41] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [04:02:42] *** rodrik-brown has quit IRC [04:03:44] <jbk> sparc or x86? [04:05:35] <GmanAFK> Tpenta, ok, gone again - mail me :) [04:07:58] <axisys> x86 [04:08:10] <axisys> jbk: its a ultra 20 running b55 [04:08:27] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [04:08:34] <jbk> hmm... [04:10:01] <jbk> i don't suppose '_resume_from_idle+0xf8::dis' works? [04:13:27] <jbk> if i didn't screw up (a very definite possibility) [04:13:35] <jbk> 260 /* [04:13:36] <jbk> 261 * spin until dispatched thread's mutex has [04:13:36] <jbk> 262 * been unlocked. this mutex is unlocked when [04:13:36] <jbk> 263 * it becomes safe for the thread to run. [04:13:36] <jbk> 264 */ [04:13:58] <jbk> i'm guessing for some reason, it doesn't think it's safe to run [04:15:15] <jbk> of course [04:15:20] <jbk> why is probably more interesting [04:15:32] <axisys> jbk: its my workstation [04:15:39] <axisys> jbk: so i can run it [04:15:49] <jbk> no [04:16:07] <jbk> i mean from the kernel's point of view, it think's there's some reason it can't run [04:16:32] <jbk> (this is all on a rather large assumption that i fed you the right mdb commands) [04:16:33] <axisys> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/PlCjkq36.html [04:16:56] <jbk> wow.. that did work :) [04:17:17] <jbk> 64bit kernel? [04:18:03] <axisys> jbk: http://rafb.net/p/prND3035.html [04:22:34] *** UnixTitan has quit IRC [04:23:21] <jbk> well i think the next step is to find someone that knows the scheduler :) [04:29:12] <jbk> actually [04:29:15] <jbk> backing up [04:29:30] <jbk> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/os/lwp.c#1492 [04:29:51] <e^ipi> for x in *; do printf "hello $x \n"; done [04:34:05] <jbk> acutally.. question [04:34:21] <jbk> http://rafb.net/p/jybQAc69.html <-- line 49 [04:34:42] <jbk> where'd you get that value? [04:35:43] <jbk> oh i see.. umm.. that proc_t output after line 49 i don't tihnk is correct, but the first one appears to be cutoff [04:37:00] <jbk> so ffffffff81ded508::print proc_t -> what's the value of p_flag ? [04:37:20] <jbk> ffffffff81ded508::print proc_t->p_flag might do it [04:55:49] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [05:19:09] *** Theoden-Nexenta has joined #opensolaris [05:20:03] <axisys> mdb: failed to look up type proc_t->p_flag: no symbol corresponds to address [05:20:32] <jbk> hmm then just do the ....::print proc_t and look for the value in the output [05:21:20] <axisys> p_flag = 0x42300902 [05:26:19] *** laca has quit IRC [05:27:28] *** alfism has left #opensolaris [05:28:30] <jbk> there should be a value for p_holdlwps in the proc_t output [05:28:46] <jbk> try value::wchaninfo -v [05:29:55] <jmcp> axisys: that p_flag doesn't look valid to me [05:30:26] <jbk> very possible :) [05:31:52] <jmcp> dumping a struct that appears to be a valid stack as a proc_t is going to give bogus results too [05:32:15] <jmcp> fr'instance, look at the timestamps down tthe page after line 49 ... I really don't think you should be seeing December 1969 in there [05:37:53] <Tpenta> damn, issed GmanAFK again [05:38:21] <jmcp> hi Tpenta [05:38:30] <Tpenta> hi james [05:38:35] <Tpenta> you running 56? [05:38:54] <Tpenta> interestiong, on sparc, I lost a lot of kbd shortcuts (like ctrl-alt-arrow) [05:40:04] <jmcp> Tpenta: on broken, yeah [05:40:11] <jmcp> I didn't lose anything so far as I can see [05:40:31] <jmcp> just going through my disk usage on farnarkle so I can try the backupzones+lu++ dance [05:40:36] <Tpenta> not having ctrl-alt-arrow is a pita [05:40:56] <jmcp> to move left/right through your workspaces? [05:41:41] <axisys> jbk: ADDR TYPE NWAITERS THREAD PROC [05:41:48] <axisys> jbk: 0000000042300902 ?? 0 [05:42:06] <axisys> 0x42300902::wchaninfo -v [05:42:21] <jbk> no [05:42:46] <axisys> jbk: which value? ffffffff81ded508 ? [05:42:47] <jbk> value of p_holdlwps [05:42:54] <axisys> oops [05:43:21] <jbk> ffffffff81ded508::print proc_t - grab value of p_holdlwps from that [05:43:48] <jbk> (unless someone that actually knows what they're doing has ideas :P) [05:44:51] <axisys> jbk: got me :P [05:44:53] <axisys> p_holdlwps = { [05:44:54] <axisys> _opaque = 0x1 [05:44:54] <axisys> } [05:45:03] <Tpenta> damn, "Front" doesnt work either [05:45:16] <jbk> got me too :) [05:45:53] <axisys> i will take a nap .. lets dig some more.. i may send an email to dtrace-discuss [05:46:05] <axisys> jbk: thnx a lot for ur help [05:46:16] <jbk> well dunno how much i've been able to help :) [05:46:33] <jbk> i'm just kinda guessing as i go [05:57:59] *** jmc1 has joined #opensolaris [05:59:14] *** ibb has joined #opensolaris [06:00:18] *** jmcp has quit IRC [06:02:34] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [06:02:35] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [06:05:24] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [06:05:56] *** charlieS has quit IRC [06:05:59] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris [06:07:29] *** jbalint has quit IRC [06:11:13] *** minerale has quit IRC [06:16:36] *** deather__ has quit IRC [06:16:42] *** deather__ has joined #opensolaris [06:24:15] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [06:27:01] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [06:39:37] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [06:40:26] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [07:02:42] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [07:02:43] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC [07:08:08] *** mlh has quit IRC [07:12:40] <Doc> DAMN X4600'S ARE LOUD!!! [07:12:52] <Doc> (sorry to shout, but i wasn't sure if you'd hear me otherwise!) :) [07:17:18] <LeftWing> lol [07:17:54] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris [07:20:05] <charlieS> :) [07:20:20] <Tpenta> as loud as t1000's? [07:21:35] <jmc1> Doc: as loud as the Warringah Fwy in peak hour? [07:21:39] <jteo> real men use earplugs [07:21:50] *** jmc1 is now known as jmcp [07:21:55] <LeftWing> jteo: Real men don't use earplugs. ;P [07:22:04] * Tpenta agrees with leftwing [07:22:14] <LeftWing> We use industrial deafness as a substitute. [07:22:17] <LeftWing> (It's cheaper.) [07:24:37] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [07:25:03] <bank> hi [07:25:21] <LeftWing> Greetings. [07:25:40] <bank> Do you remember me? [07:26:00] <Doc> no [07:26:13] <jteo> so much loving in here. [07:27:13] <LeftWing> I... vaguely recall going to a bank once. [07:27:36] <silk> rhymes with.... [07:29:08] <bank> ok thank you. [07:29:30] <bank> May I have a question. [07:29:49] <e^ipi> no [07:30:14] <bank> ok. [07:31:02] <LeftWing> (Just ask the question.) [07:31:58] <bank> I ever have a problem. I try to get sugarcrm run on php in solaris x86. You may think the problem is php not solaris. and you can find php distribution on some site like sunfreeware or bla bla. [07:32:21] <bank> then I decide to format b50 to fc6. [07:32:45] <bank> and I feel that it is wrong. I am not familiar with linux . [07:32:54] <bank> and xen. [07:33:03] <bank> xen is not working on amdx64 [07:33:12] <bank> I want to back to b55 [07:33:43] <LeftWing> Where's the question? [07:34:13] <bank> the question is ... [07:34:33] <bank> I can not compile php with other dependencies successful on solaris. [07:34:42] <bank> so I can not run other opensource successfully. [07:34:53] <LeftWing> What dependencies are you having trouble with? [07:36:00] <bank> a moment pls. [07:38:29] <bank> mbstring [07:39:16] <bank> yes. mbstring. I try to compile php5 with mbstring on my sun amd x64 [07:39:43] <bank> like extract / --configure /make /make&install [07:40:02] <LeftWing> What's mbstring? [07:40:15] <jmcp> probably "multi-byte-string" [07:40:39] <bank> hi jmcp [07:40:43] <bank> do you remember me? [07:40:51] <jmcp> yes [07:41:19] <bank> thank you. [07:41:39] <bank> and .. happy new year. [07:41:48] <jmcp> and to you [07:41:50] <LeftWing> bank: According to http://au.php.net/mbstring -- mbstring just needs to be turned on, the libmbfl library it requires is apparently bundled... [07:42:30] <jmcp> bank: I built php5.2.0 with SunStudio11 and this configure string: ./configure --prefix=/scratch/web/php/5.2.0 --with-apxs2=/scratch/web/apache/2.2.3/bin/apxs --enable-discard-path --with-libxml-dir=/usr/lib --with-openssl=/usr/sfw --with-bz2 --enable-calendar --enable-dba=shared --enable-exif --enable-ftp --with-openssl-dir=/usr/sfw --with-ldap --with-mysql=/usr/sfw --with-pgsql --enable-soap --enable-sockets --enable-sysvmsg --enab [07:43:17] <bank> on x86? [07:43:23] <bank> not sparc right? [07:43:34] <jmcp> correct, amd64 in fact [07:43:41] <bank> ok great! [07:43:45] <jmcp> I didn't build a 64bit php though, just 32bit [07:44:09] <bank> May I back again after I reinstall OS ?. [07:44:16] <jmcp> I guess so [07:44:19] <bank> I will try by following thost [07:44:21] <bank> those. [07:44:36] <LeftWing> bank: Just read the output of ./configure --help and consult php.net [07:44:41] <LeftWing> That's what everyone else does. [07:44:52] <LeftWing> If you have a build error you can't fathom, feel free to ask. [07:45:11] <LeftWing> It's always good to do some reading first, though. [07:46:17] <bank> I understand what you are trying to said. but I really do enable mbstring on --configure [07:46:21] <bank> Oh jmcp. [07:46:23] <jmcp> ? [07:46:29] <bank> I didn't see any mbstring on your configure string [07:47:00] <LeftWing> bank: James is just saying he's built PHP, not that he's built it with mbstring. [07:47:05] <jmcp> correct [07:47:16] <LeftWing> If you have mbstring specific problems, we can't help you until you give us an mbstring-specific error message. [07:47:23] <bank> OK. [07:47:24] <jmcp> bank: if you add "--enable-mbstring" that should be sufficient [07:47:36] <bank> yes . I think that is the source of problem [07:47:41] * LeftWing blinks. [07:47:52] <bank> I will reinstall OS, and show your specific error msg. [07:47:56] <LeftWing> OK. [07:48:21] <steleman> why is google scanning my apache man pages [07:48:30] <LeftWing> steleman: It hungers? [07:48:40] <steleman> there is a robots.txt in there [07:48:41] <jmcp> steleman: because you haven't added an appropriate entry to your robots.txt file [07:48:51] <steleman> jmcp: oh yes i did [07:49:00] <jmcp> steleman: it's being evil then :) [07:49:07] <steleman> :-P [07:49:13] <LeftWing> Perhaps it's because you didn't add their netblocks to your ipf config? ;P [07:49:47] <steleman> i havent even enabled ipfilter on this box [07:49:54] <steleman> it's behind a firewall anyway [07:50:02] *** bank has quit IRC [07:50:03] <Doc> fwor.. i can hear again! [07:50:24] <LeftWing> Doc: Do you remember David Koch from Newcastle? [07:50:25] <jmcp> Doc: no you can't, you're just imagining it [07:50:31] * Tpenta does [07:50:46] <jteo> bank: http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.solaris.php [07:51:11] <LeftWing> Tpenta: He would have been around when you were in whatever computer division it was back then I guess? [07:51:16] *** Theoden-Nexenta has left #opensolaris [07:51:21] <Tpenta> yes, he was a clooeague [07:51:34] <LeftWing> Cool. He's my clooeague now. [07:51:50] <Tpenta> he had "a way" with students. someone set off a fork bomb, he walked into the lab, up to a student shouting "You, YOU, YOU broke my computer" [07:51:55] <Tpenta> say hi to him [07:52:02] * jmcp chuckles [07:52:02] <LeftWing> hahaha [07:52:14] <LeftWing> Serious shouting? [07:52:16] <charlieS> lol [07:52:21] <Tpenta> oh yes [07:52:26] <LeftWing> Ah, marvellous. [07:52:51] <Doc> yeah, i remember him [07:52:57] <Doc> where's he working now? [07:53:12] <Tpenta> I heard he finished his masters a couple of years back [07:53:12] <LeftWing> He's still at Newcastle -- working in Central IT as a Storage admin [07:53:54] <jteo> now that's a Real Man. [07:53:57] <Doc> ok, what's the best "benchmarking" program (note the "quotes") out there to prove how fast a machine is? [07:54:00] <Doc> seti@home? [07:54:08] <LeftWing> Vista? [07:54:12] <charlieS> openssl speed? [07:54:15] <jteo> Doc: depends on your audience. [07:54:36] <Tpenta> some of the rendering ones (see dclarke) might be what you are interested in [07:54:37] <charlieS> yeah, what jteo said. :) [07:54:54] <Doc> sounds difficult... seti@home sounds easy [07:54:59] <LeftWing> The quotes lead me to believe the audience is less technical. =P [07:55:29] <Doc> nah.. i have a 16-core opteron box, just want to make it sound fast! (which of course it is) [07:55:29] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [07:55:29] <jteo> photoshop? [07:55:32] <jteo> ;) [07:55:33] <jteo> wb dclarke [07:55:37] <dclarke> hello [07:55:42] <LeftWing> Does SETI@home provide binary builds? (That does sound easy. =P) [07:55:58] <dwc-> boot linux on it and add up the "BogoMIPS" [07:55:59] <Doc> photoshop blows on it, because although it's got 32gb of memory, PS only uses 2 [07:56:17] <Doc> dwc: wtf is linux? is that like seti@home? [07:56:22] <LeftWing> What about some sort of PI calculator? [07:56:27] <LeftWing> Everyone loves PI. [07:56:30] <dwc-> hah [07:56:31] <Tpenta> hello dennis, I was just mentioning you. ears burning? [07:56:38] <Doc> i'm guessing both are still seatching for intelligent life without success? [07:56:43] <e^ipi> hey dennis [07:56:45] <LeftWing> Doc: haha [07:56:52] <Tpenta> doc is looking for an x86 benchmark, i was suggesting some of the rendereing stuff you had been playing with [07:56:55] <jteo> bogomips. bogomips is good. [07:57:04] <jteo> or the multthreaded povray. [07:57:42] <dclarke> Tpenta: umm .. no .. i was just watching a file trasfer at 300 baud .. and figured I'd see if IRC works [07:57:49] <Tpenta> :) [07:58:38] <Doc> what was the name of the project that was craching rc5-64 and things like that? the one with the cows... [07:58:39] <dwc-> maybe linpack, the linear algebra package? [07:58:42] <dclarke> and yes .. if someone is looking for an awesome benchmark then i suggest they install radiance from Blastwave [07:58:43] <jamesd> dclarke, i guess you have been busy on side contracts haven't seen much of you lately [07:58:44] <dwc-> distributed.net [07:58:49] <Doc> dwc: ta [07:58:52] <dwc-> moo [07:59:03] <Tpenta> there you go doc, nice and easy with pkg-get [07:59:27] <dclarke> doc : please see http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0059/index.html [07:59:31] <Doc> it has win2003 installed at the moment.. i dont think that has pkg-get [07:59:38] <Tpenta> oh [07:59:41] <dclarke> oh [07:59:46] <dclarke> :-( [07:59:46] <Tpenta> snap [07:59:48] <Doc> but i can install whatever i want [07:59:55] <dwc-> oh... windows... there's a bunch more benchmarking stuff for windows [07:59:58] <dclarke> get PovRay [07:59:59] <Tpenta> ummm, what was that java scimark or something like that? [08:00:01] <dwc-> the gamers usually like it [08:00:12] <LeftWing> Prime95 might have a multithreaded mode [08:00:17] <dclarke> jamesd : no .. life caugt up with me [08:00:23] <Doc> blah.. might go install the X4200 first [08:01:10] * dlg want an x4200 [08:01:45] <jamesd> dclarke, does your copy of drupal bitch about mbstring library? i'm getting it on a project i'm working on... its using apache2 and php4 [08:02:06] <jamesd> oh wait you are probably not on the cvs version [08:02:13] <dclarke> jamesd : no .. it just installs and works [08:02:26] *** master_baiter has joined #opensolaris [08:02:33] <dclarke> jamesd : pkg-get -i drupal [08:02:49] * LeftWing is thoroughly enjoying his L280. [08:02:54] <jamesd> dclarke, the guys i'm working with want the bloody bleeding edge.... [08:03:25] <dclarke> jamesd : good luck [08:03:36] <jamesd> at least as far as drupal goes.. had to install cvs just for them to grab it [08:03:49] <dclarke> what procs are in an X4200 .. gotta go look .. probably multicore Opterons [08:04:09] <dlg> can be multicore opterons [08:04:12] <Doc> single or multi core in the X4200 [08:04:17] <dclarke> jamesd : my first builds of drupal .. long time ago .. were all from cvs [08:04:18] <Doc> dual core only in the X4200M2 [08:04:26] <dclarke> what speeds ? [08:04:27] <jamesd> dclarke, well as the client who is paying me said tonight "i brought you in to solve the silly php problems, and james is here to solve the solaris problems" :-) [08:04:32] <dclarke> 2.2 GHz ? [08:04:35] <Doc> 2.6Ghz or something [08:04:56] <dclarke> jamesd: do whatever pays well and works well [08:05:10] <dclarke> Doc : thats real real quick [08:05:15] <Doc> yah.. the one i've just turned on has 2x dual core 2.6Ghz [08:05:46] <dclarke> Doc : see the top of the chart at http://mark.technolope.org/pages/rad_bench.html [08:05:55] <jamesd> dclarke, exactly... of course its hard to trust a guy who sends me a personal check and is 8000 miles away so i had to deposit and hope the thing clears... [08:06:00] <dclarke> Doc : I had 2.613 GHz for that [08:06:19] <dclarke> james : I'd enforce a PayPal scenario on that [08:06:31] <dclarke> jamesd : or whatever works [08:06:58] <dclarke> wow .. my transfer finished ! 14164 lines transferred in 16 minutes 58 seconds [08:07:28] <master_baiter> i'm probably stupid, but i can't seem to find a tarbal containing the opensolaris source, from the opensolaris website [08:07:48] <Doc> dclarke: but they wank single proc only, which defeates the purpose when i have 16 [08:07:51] <jamesd> dclarke, the guy apparently got burned big time on paypal... it was hard enough to convince him to send the first $100 on it... but he seems to be on the up and up, and he is talking about next week when the check would of bounced if it was bad.. so i'm hopping [08:08:22] * dclarke looks at 977193 bytes in 16 min 58 sec [08:08:32] <dclarke> jamesd : what a silly world [08:08:33] <e^ipi> master_baiter: you're probably looking for this: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b56/on-src-b56.tar.bz2 [08:08:45] <master_baiter> e^ipi thanks. [08:09:06] <e^ipi> for future reference, it's in the O/N consolidation [08:09:15] <master_baiter> ahh [08:09:58] <master_baiter> e^ipi what does "O/N" stand for? [08:10:07] <e^ipi> OS/networking [08:10:12] <master_baiter> oh, heh. [08:10:13] <e^ipi> iirc [08:10:21] <Doc> it's the oposite of O/F/F [08:10:42] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [08:10:52] <e^ipi> it's the kernel, libc, a bunch of userland utils (ls, cd, and so forth) [08:10:57] <e^ipi> some other stuff [08:12:59] <dclarke> I'm sitting here .. fairly happy with myself at coming up with a way to transfer a set of packages into a Sol 10 update 3 reduced core install machine [08:13:18] <dclarke> which .. if anyone has tried .. does not listen on any network ports .. [08:13:31] <cmihai> ssh :) [08:13:31] * Tpenta cheers, I've worked out the steve windwood/eric clapton song "Can't find my way home" on guitar [08:13:46] <dclarke> oooh .. nice one [08:14:01] <dclarke> good guitar licks there [08:14:04] *** polk__ has quit IRC [08:14:13] <dclarke> cmihai : ssh is not installed [08:14:15] <Tpenta> just a really nice background riff [08:14:16] <cmihai> The whole "Trusted Solaris" thing... only ssh listents to external oonnections. [08:14:31] <cmihai> dclarke: oh... that kind of sucks then :) [08:14:34] <Tpenta> most of the google searches pointed to somethign someone from indiana U did, and he got some of it wrong [08:14:52] <dclarke> Tpenta : no sheet music ? [08:15:02] <dclarke> and couldn't work it out by ear .. [08:15:05] <Tpenta> i found some tab with the intro [08:15:12] <dclarke> thats cool [08:15:12] <Tpenta> want the url? [08:15:17] <dclarke> please [08:15:20] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [08:15:35] <Tpenta> http://www.everydaycompanion.com/chords/songs/cant_find_my_way_home.asp [08:16:09] *** polk__ has quit IRC [08:16:24] <dclarke> its been a while .. I'll have to look at that [08:16:37] <dclarke> in my house I am the local music reference that no longer plays [08:16:56] <dclarke> my eldest asks me to interpret sheet music and explain latin terms and stuff like that [08:17:06] <dclarke> thankfully she has a real talent [08:17:24] <dclarke> sort of put down the clarinet and has moved onto saxaphone [08:17:27] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [08:18:00] <dclarke> for a brief stint in life I studied classical guitar .. [08:18:13] <dclarke> didn't really have the skill to excel at it however [08:18:21] <dclarke> bought a nice fender and a gibson [08:18:28] <dclarke> they hang on the wall [08:18:44] <Tpenta> i did classical for my higher school certificate and played in a band for a few years [08:19:23] <Tpenta> got a nice gibson L6s (pride and joy), had my maton stolen :( just got a takamine that I'm mucking around on now and a nice electric acousting vantage [08:19:29] <dclarke> i think that if life had turned different directions at that time in life I'd be sitting in a band somewhere working from bar to bar [08:19:50] <dclarke> nothing like a nice acoustic [08:20:17] <dclarke> oops .. baby interrupt [08:21:24] <dwc-> if it has network, you can use bash to grab some stuff via http [08:21:53] <dclarke> dwc-: reduced core does not have bash [08:22:10] <dclarke> # which bash [08:22:11] <dclarke> no bash in /usr/xpg4/bin /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/dt/bin /usr/openwin/bin /usr/ccs/bin [08:22:58] <dclarke> there is only one way to move files into a machine that has reduced core cluster installed [08:23:13] <dclarke> and .. this is a good trivia/geek question [08:23:18] <cmihai> move stuff via 9600 BAUD serial? [08:23:24] <dclarke> bingo ! [08:23:26] <cmihai> Did that once, not fun [08:23:29] <dclarke> give the man a prize [08:23:36] * dclarke hands over a cookie [08:23:39] <dwc-> it has no network at all? [08:23:48] <dclarke> yes .. you can ping it [08:23:52] <dclarke> it can not ping [08:23:55] <dclarke> no ftp [08:23:58] <dclarke> no tftp [08:24:00] <dclarke> no nfs [08:24:03] <dclarke> no ssh [08:24:04] <dwc-> cdrom? [08:24:10] <dclarke> no cdrom [08:24:17] <dclarke> no keyboard [08:24:41] <cmihai> telnet? [08:24:41] <dwc-> then I'd load in netcat (under 50kB) and then use that to bring in the rest via network I think [08:24:44] <dclarke> its a telco box .. two network ports and a serial console [08:24:55] <dclarke> no telnet [08:24:57] <cmihai> Well, just upload telnet (or netcat) and get the rest ;) [08:25:06] <dclarke> upload how ? [08:25:09] <Tpenta> I' m going to have to find the powerpack to teh 4-track and see if I can lay this song down some time [08:25:10] <cmihai> Serial. [08:25:10] <dwc-> over the serial [08:25:11] <dclarke> think about it [08:25:33] <dclarke> and .. the only way into the serial is via the console [08:25:36] <cmihai> XMODEM or whatever, just upload the stuff somewhere. [08:25:46] <cmihai> And you don't have access to that? [08:25:56] <dclarke> yes .. I have the console [08:26:05] <dclarke> himalia console login: [08:26:40] <e^ipi> dclarke: what in blazes are you installing on? [08:26:45] <e^ipi> sun2? [08:26:58] <dclarke> no .. Sun netra [08:27:05] <dclarke> Netra T1 [08:27:15] <cmihai> Heh [08:27:25] <dclarke> but the issue is the OS is so stripped down to the ground [08:28:18] <dclarke> here is what the filesystems look like after install [08:28:24] <cmihai> dclarke: you can make a downloader in binary [08:28:29] <cmihai> Under 300bytes [08:28:38] <dclarke> # df -F ufs -k [08:28:39] <dclarke> Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on [08:28:41] <dclarke> /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s0 2056610 221977 1772935 12% / [08:28:42] <dclarke> /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s5 4132081 4121 4086640 1% /opt [08:28:44] <dclarke> /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s7 1417360 1449 1359217 1% /export/home [08:28:51] <dclarke> total used in root is 220M [08:29:06] <dclarke> # pkginfo | wc -l [08:29:07] <dclarke> 122 [08:29:18] <dclarke> # uname -a [08:29:20] <cmihai> Heh, still pretty big if you ask me ;P [08:29:20] <dclarke> SunOS himalia 5.10 Generic_118833-33 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-cEngine [08:29:31] <dclarke> oh .. it can be stripped a bit [08:29:42] <dclarke> Solaris 9 can be stripped down to 25 or so packages [08:29:53] <dclarke> and still be usful [08:29:54] <dwc-> uuencode [08:29:59] <dclarke> bingo ! [08:30:07] <dclarke> I uuencoded the files [08:30:14] <dclarke> then used tip to get to the console [08:30:15] <dwc-> I'd uuencode netcat [08:30:26] <dclarke> then used ~p to put the file onto the remote host [08:30:43] <dclarke> netcat is too complex for the task [08:30:55] <dclarke> just read man tip [08:30:59] <dwc-> yea, but netcat's 30k. uuencoded, not more than 50k. [08:31:02] <dclarke> in there is a command for put [08:31:22] <dwc-> and then grab the rest via network [08:31:23] <dclarke> the files needed were 97K totall [08:31:32] <dclarke> so may as well do this once [08:31:45] <dclarke> in any case .. the rediced network install is really really secure [08:32:27] <LeftWing> That's good news. [08:32:31] <dwc-> that shouldn't have taken 15 minutes [08:32:36] <dwc-> even at 9600.... [08:32:46] <dclarke> uh .. yeah [08:32:51] <dclarke> makes perfect sense [08:33:07] <dclarke> 9600 baud is bits per sec .. not bytes [08:33:10] <cmihai> Heh, yeah, had to put like 60MB over 9600 once [08:33:10] <dwc-> I know [08:33:15] <dwc-> 9600 ~ 1k/s [08:33:16] <dwc-> 97k = 90s [08:33:20] <dwc-> minut eand a half [08:33:31] <dclarke> not via "put" it ain't [08:33:38] <dwc-> I've dumped a cisco IOS image over 9600 serial [08:33:39] <dclarke> you get maybe 300 baud that way [08:34:08] <cmihai> dwc-: with Cisco you can usually change the speed [08:34:35] <cmihai> Not all models though. [08:34:46] <cmihai> 115200 is a LOT more fun, hehe [08:34:49] <dwc-> why should it matter if it's being 'cat>x' on the other end [08:34:58] <dwc-> cmihai: this one maxed out at 9600 :P [08:35:48] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/HOwIBO12.html [08:36:08] <dwc-> even without flow control, you should be able to get more than 300 baud out of a 9600 [08:36:55] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/Dq4r5t80.html <-- what can be removed here ?? [08:37:33] <dwc-> portmapper [08:37:35] <dwc-> inetd [08:37:36] <dclarke> SUNWale [08:38:06] <dclarke> SUNWced Sun GigaSwift Ethernet Adapter Driver [08:38:23] <cmihai> SUNWbzip, all those drivers you aren't using... [08:38:40] <LeftWing> Solaris cpp? [08:38:41] <cmihai> Unless you need all that Fiber Channel stuff... etc. [08:38:48] <dclarke> nope [08:38:53] <dclarke> don't need it at all [08:39:00] <dclarke> don't need ZFS either [08:39:11] <charlieS> for some strange reason, the v490 ships with a GigaSwift.. [08:39:25] <cmihai> Thought it might be some fileserver with ZFS and all that FC [08:39:25] <LeftWing> SUNWkrb*? [08:40:00] <LeftWing> SUNWperl* ? :P [08:40:07] <dclarke> Kerberos .. hmmm [08:40:10] <dclarke> perl .. need that [08:40:16] <cmihai> SUNWjss ? [08:40:43] <cmihai> All that multipathing and FC stuff can go :) [08:41:01] <cmihai> dclarke: is this the same machine? [08:41:12] <dclarke> yes [08:41:13] <cmihai> It looks like you have perl and stuff.. and NFS? [08:41:26] <cmihai> If you had perl you could hackup a downloader in a few lines [08:41:51] <dclarke> show me [08:41:54] <dclarke> :-) [08:42:29] <dclarke> what the hell is SUNWib Sun InfiniBand Framework ??? [08:42:30] <cmihai> I'm not a perl guru :) [08:43:28] <cmihai> http://www.sitepoint.com/article/file-download-script-perl [08:44:05] <cmihai> 5-10 lines or so [08:44:24] <dclarke> cool [08:44:35] <dclarke> the tip thing takes no lines at all [08:48:50] <cmihai> dclarke: the InfiniBand Framework is for InfiniBand btw [08:48:57] <cmihai> Something like FC [08:49:18] <dclarke> well .. its gone :-) [08:49:41] <cmihai> You don't need it anyway... [08:50:39] <cmihai> By the way.. your OS seems rather.. erm.. useless at the moment :) [08:50:43] <cmihai> What is it supposed to do? [08:51:02] <dclarke> solve world hunger [08:51:06] <dclarke> hell .. I dunno [08:51:11] <dclarke> its just an experiment [08:51:12] <cmihai> heh [08:51:17] <dclarke> it is a valid NFS client [08:51:21] <dclarke> at the moment [08:51:47] <dclarke> and I want to install Apache2 + MySQL + PostgreSQL + a few other things [08:52:03] <dclarke> I need to see if I get all my dependencies taken care of correctly [08:52:22] <cmihai> Hahaha, man, that's just not fun. [08:52:35] <dclarke> its needed [08:52:44] <dclarke> really .. I need to test this [08:52:49] <dclarke> and its not fun [08:52:51] <cmihai> Mkey, if you say so :) [08:53:27] <dclarke> well .. what if someone does a pkg-get -i apache2 postgresql and it doesn't work becuase some SUNW dependency is in there ? [08:53:37] <dclarke> that needs to be checked [08:53:52] <dclarke> what the heck is SUNWtavor Sun Tavor HCA driver ?? [08:54:22] <cmihai> Ask pkginfo about it [08:54:56] <dclarke> pkgrm: ERROR: preremove script did not complete successfully [08:54:58] <dclarke> oops [08:55:02] <cmihai> pkginfo -c or something should spit out everything [08:55:09] <dclarke> Removal of <SUNWudapltr> failed. [08:57:08] <cmihai> That's -l, sorry. [08:57:17] <cmihai> Probably some InfiniBand thing also :) [08:57:37] <dclarke> no prob ... I know pkgrm real well [08:57:51] <cmihai> hehe [08:58:59] <dclarke> wow .. I better reboot .. modinfo still reports 118 mernel modules loaded [08:59:23] <dclarke> at this point I am just pathologically stripping Solaris 10 [08:59:32] <dclarke> :-P [08:59:59] <dclarke> and .. I better stop this and get some sleep [09:00:08] <charlieS> those mernals can be a bitch. [09:00:22] <dclarke> kernel [09:00:35] * dclarke smacks forehead [09:00:43] <charlieS> :) [09:00:44] <dclarke> mernel modules ... sheesh [09:01:19] <cmihai> That's OK, I'm practically half blind in this resolution [09:01:23] <dclarke> 96 7beaeb48 f40 12 1 fdfs (filesystem for fd) [09:01:33] <dclarke> fd ?? floppy device ? [09:01:51] <cmihai> file descriptors? [09:02:12] <dclarke> that had better be in the kernel [09:02:13] <cmihai> It's got nothing to do with floppies... [09:02:19] <dclarke> if i remove that ... [09:02:25] <dclarke> I'm toast [09:02:26] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [09:02:31] <cmihai> You're ficked, yeah :) [09:02:42] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [09:02:51] <dclarke> # modinfo [09:02:53] <cmihai> check /etc/vfstab [09:02:54] <dclarke> Id Loadaddr Size Info Rev Module Name [09:02:55] <dclarke> 0 1000000 c6ec8 - 0 unix () [09:02:56] <dclarke> 1 107a768 1ddfa - 0 krtld () [09:02:57] <dclarke> 2 10933b0 1afa10 - 0 genunix () [09:02:59] <cmihai> Do you have fd mounted in /dev/fd ? [09:03:00] <dclarke> 3 11f0f18 10 - 0 platmod () [09:03:01] <dclarke> okay .. I need those [09:03:16] <dclarke> nope [09:03:21] <cmihai> You don't? [09:03:33] <dclarke> oh .. sorry [09:03:36] <dclarke> yes .. I do [09:03:43] <dclarke> fd - /dev/fd fd - no - [09:03:44] <cmihai> Well, you'll be fine until you run something setuid or setgid :) [09:04:01] <cmihai> Oh, that looks fine. [09:04:26] <dclarke> wow .. this machine is getting real real lean [09:04:41] <cmihai> dclarke: I've seen people remove it before thinking it was a floppy disk :) [09:04:51] <cmihai> Let's just say debugging their machines was NOT fun :) [09:05:01] <dclarke> ha ha [09:05:06] <dclarke> I won't do that [09:05:17] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/b60oKZ93.html [09:06:04] <dclarke> # pkginfo | wc -l [09:06:05] <dclarke> 84 [09:06:08] <cmihai> Heh, not bad. [09:06:42] <dclarke> Solaris 9 can drop to 25 or so .. I think I had better be careful with Solaris 10 [09:07:27] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/44PFIp48.html <-- 84 packages [09:07:49] <dclarke> holy crap [09:08:02] <dclarke> SPARCstorage Array Drivers ?? [09:08:06] <cmihai> wsr2, udapltr all that can go [09:08:07] <dclarke> paleez .. those are gone [09:08:13] <e^ipi> heh, i've gone through half a semester of berkley's CS162 in 3 days [09:08:19] <cmihai> All that tavor crap... [09:08:41] <e^ipi> on the internets [09:08:44] <dclarke> WAN boot support [09:08:48] <dclarke> toss that [09:08:57] <cmihai> Multipath can fly too [09:10:13] <cmihai> e^ipi: is that OS programming or what [09:10:33] <e^ipi> yes [09:11:08] <cmihai> dclarke: you really want to read this whitepaper [09:11:11] <cmihai> http://www.sun.com/blueprints/1100/minimize-updt1.pdf [09:11:17] <dclarke> oh .. cool [09:11:19] <cmihai> It's Sun's guide to removeing crap in Solaris [09:11:26] <cmihai> Pretty much what you're doing [09:11:35] <dclarke> WTF is this ?? SUNWpr Netscape Portable Runtime [09:11:58] <cmihai> Kind of outdated but might help [09:12:27] <cmihai> Don't remove that! [09:12:39] <cmihai> You won't be able to LOG IN! [09:12:46] <cmihai> REALLY :) [09:12:59] <dclarke> baloney [09:13:04] <dclarke> no .. really ? [09:13:08] <cmihai> Your funeral. [09:13:17] <cmihai> I know for a fact it breaks ssh. [09:13:23] <dclarke> well .. now I just *have* to [09:13:32] <dclarke> I don't have ssh [09:13:34] <cmihai> Console too. [09:13:39] <cmihai> Well, remove it and see. [09:13:41] <Peanut> So does removibg Kerberos... [09:13:46] <LeftWing> heh [09:13:57] <cmihai> Breaks some PAM thing or something, but the idea is.. you won't be able to log in [09:14:06] <cmihai> You can boot failsafe and add it again.. [09:14:13] <cmihai> So see for yourself then :) [09:14:24] <dclarke> it says "Netscape" on it ... [09:14:31] <dclarke> what is with that ? [09:14:32] <Peanut> Boldly go where only a few people have gone before ;-) [09:14:35] <cmihai> I don't care if it says Mickey Mouse. [09:14:57] <Peanut> Good morning, by the way. [09:15:02] <cmihai> Morning [09:15:30] <dclarke> hrmmm [09:15:39] <dclarke> something "bad" has happened [09:15:43] <cmihai> Has it now? [09:15:48] <dclarke> uh .. [09:15:52] <dclarke> yeah .. I think [09:16:05] <dclarke> I better reboot [09:16:12] * dclarke thinks this is fun [09:16:13] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [09:16:17] <charlieS> lol [09:16:22] <cmihai> Did you remove it [09:16:32] <dclarke> well hell .. someone has to experiment ya know !! [09:16:35] <dclarke> :-) [09:16:42] <cmihai> Gee.. [09:16:53] <charlieS> sounded like cmihai already had.. [09:17:54] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/tw9X6E72.html [09:18:06] <cmihai> That's nice. [09:18:07] <dclarke> that WAN Boot crud was a doosey [09:18:25] <Peanut> Seems like I can't buy an U20-m2 :( Sun NL won't sell directly to private users, so they sent me to one of their partners. Who told me after a few days that they don't sell to 'consumers' anymore because they've had some bad experiences with it. [09:18:54] <cmihai> Peanut: yes, I know, welcome to the world of Sun, Cisco and all the other bastards. [09:19:01] <cmihai> If you're not a big company, SCREW YOU! [09:19:06] <cmihai> Or at least, that's what they told me. [09:19:17] <cmihai> And even if you are, go see our reseller. [09:19:29] <dclarke> Peanut .. drop me an email .. I'll get you anything you need [09:19:56] <dclarke> except .. /usr/lib/libwanboot.so.1 which i removed without knowing the implications [09:20:00] <Peanut> dclarke: I'm in the Netherlands though :) [09:20:08] <charlieS> I'll take an x4500, a few v490's.. [09:20:15] <dclarke> I'll ship anywhere .. I don't care [09:20:28] <dclarke> charlieS : no problem [09:20:46] <dclarke> I took an order from Sweden this morning [09:20:51] <quasi> Peanut: try verion.nl - last I talked to them they didn't have any problems with selling to consumers [09:20:52] <charlieS> and some storage (may as well, it's free!) [09:21:08] <charlieS> ;P [09:21:27] <Peanut> Hi quasi - how was nlosug? [09:21:55] <Peanut> dclarke: thanks for the offer, I'll certainly keep that in mind. [09:22:32] <dclarke> just trying to help [09:23:54] <quasi> Peanut: I didn't go as I've left .nl again [09:24:50] <jteo> Sun makes it so difficult to buy something from them. [09:24:59] <cmihai> By the way dclarke [09:25:00] <cmihai> cmsol% ldd /usr/lib/security/pam_authtok_get.so | grep nspr libnspr4.so => /usr/lib/mps/libnspr4.so [09:25:12] <cmihai> grep libnspr4 /var/sadm/install/contents [09:25:14] <cmihai> SUNWpr :) [09:25:17] <dclarke> ah ha [09:25:39] <dclarke> well it looks like SUNWwbsup is just as far reaching [09:25:46] <Peanut> Oh right, .dk not? I'll be visiting there somewhere late in march. [09:25:57] <cmihai> Yup, ldd and /var/sadm/install is your friend :)_ [09:26:18] <dclarke> no ldd on this machine [09:26:23] <quasi> Peanut: yes [09:26:32] <cmihai> dclarke: lol, you really stripped it down :) [09:26:57] <cmihai> dclarke: install SUNWtoo [09:28:14] <dclarke> but NFS works [09:29:20] <dclarke> oh crap ... [09:29:27] <dclarke> looks like pkgadd is busted also [09:29:30] <cmihai> Duh [09:29:36] <dclarke> # pkgadd -d /tmp SUNWwbsup [09:29:37] <dclarke> ld.so.1: pkgadd: fatal: libwanboot.so.1: open failed: No such file or directory [09:29:39] <dclarke> Killed [09:29:49] <dclarke> looks like I will use LD_LIBRARY_PATH [09:30:08] <Peanut> Or just copy the library back in by hand first. [09:30:15] <e^ipi> i broke my machine with crle once [09:30:16] <dclarke> yeah .. [09:30:19] <e^ipi> couldn't even log in [09:30:22] <e^ipi> it was fantastic [09:30:22] <cmihai> cmsol% ldd /usr/sbin/pkgadd | grep wan libwanboot.so.1 => /usr/lib/libwanboot.so.1 [09:30:35] <cmihai> Well, that says it all. [09:31:06] <e^ipi> dclarke: why precisely are you trying to remove vital system libraries? [09:31:18] <dclarke> didn't know that I was [09:31:23] <dclarke> this is an experiment [09:31:27] <dclarke> heck .. [09:31:33] <e^ipi> fair enough [09:31:37] <dclarke> this is how penicillian was found [09:31:43] <dclarke> as mould on a sandwich [09:31:58] <e^ipi> yeah, but not by removing random organs [09:31:58] <dclarke> so while I am doing this I expect the cure for cancer to be in my fridge when i am done [09:31:59] <e^ipi> ;) [09:32:04] <cmihai> Worst case scenario you'll have a better understanding of the inards of the Solaris OS :) [09:32:15] <jteo> it's better than buying a book. :) [09:32:16] <dclarke> exactly [09:32:21] <dclarke> :-) [09:32:24] <dclarke> real hands on .. [09:32:28] <dclarke> the best teacher [09:32:35] <dclarke> and .. I like to do experiments [09:32:41] <cmihai> And understand why it's best to just install FULL OEM every time :] [09:32:42] <dclarke> most often .. I don't tell people [09:32:54] <dclarke> that way i can blow stuff up and people done thing i'm an idiot [09:33:06] <dclarke> but .. this is more fun [09:33:07] <cmihai> Hehe ;] [09:33:17] <dclarke> and most people understand that I'm not an idiot anyways [09:33:58] <dclarke> heck .. I was in ComputerWorld mag again today ... so I can't be a total moron eh ? [09:34:01] <LeftWing> cmihai: Full OEM followed by a lot of package/cluster delete commands in your JS profile. =P [09:34:30] <cmihai> Heh [09:34:35] <dclarke> http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=hardware&articleId=9009122&taxonomyId=12&intsrc=kc_top [09:34:41] <Peanut> LeftWing: actually, starting with the smallest cluster and adding to that works better. [09:35:11] <jteo> omg you're famous. [09:35:21] <cmihai> Hehe [09:35:30] <LeftWing> Peanut: Depends what you're after -- I'm usually just after removing the stuff I don't want (StarOffice, Apache 1.x, Message Queue, etc) and leaving in the stuff I can't be arsed deciding if I want or not. =P [09:35:54] <cmihai> What are you going to save? 2$ worth of storage? [09:35:57] <cmihai> 1GB? [09:35:58] <cmihai> Pff [09:36:13] <LeftWing> cmihai: Full root zones build quicker when you don't have a bunch of crap you're never going to use in them. [09:36:38] <cmihai> True. [09:36:48] <dclarke> cmihai : I thought i answered this already .. this is an experiment [09:36:49] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [09:36:50] <jteo> zfs clone is mighty fast. [09:37:00] <dclarke> geez ... [09:37:27] <dclarke> I need to verify that pkg-get -i apache2 will work when a LOT of SUNW dependencies are missing [09:37:36] <jteo> ah. [09:39:14] <Peanut> Interesting - if it runs on power, I might get it to run on Xilinx FPGA [09:39:14] <dclarke> man .. this is tough [09:39:30] <cmihai> I' [09:39:31] <dclarke> # pkginfo -l SUNWwbsup [09:39:33] <dclarke> PKGINST: SUNWwbsup [09:39:34] <dclarke> NAME: WAN boot support [09:39:49] <dclarke> how the heck would I know that is so critical .. tough to know up front [09:39:53] <cmihai> Don't bother dclarke, the names and description of packages in Solaris means nothing. [09:40:10] <dclarke> oh .. after a dozen years you think i would learn [09:40:26] <dclarke> back in the days of Solaris 2.5.1 it took all night to do an install [09:40:39] <dclarke> thankfully now I can get it done in minutes with jumpstart [09:40:40] <cmihai> What makes you think Solaris package management changed in a dozen years? [09:40:49] <dclarke> so .. i can screw this up royally and learn from it [09:40:54] <jteo> cmihai: we call that stability! [09:41:00] <cmihai> U-huh [09:41:05] <dclarke> its a feature !! [09:41:08] <dclarke> :-) [09:41:09] <cmihai> Right, right. [09:41:26] <jteo> this is how it is done in the INTER-prize [09:41:29] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [09:41:32] <dclarke> like yanking a non-redundant disk from a zpool causes the machine to panic .. feature [09:42:04] <cmihai> Duh, FS panick [09:42:10] <cmihai> Aaah :)) [09:42:44] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/6VsU3j81.html now i am gun shy to rip out the next package [09:43:23] <cmihai> dclarke: go for netscape ;) [09:43:31] <Doc> you can remove SUNWcsr - you wont need it [09:43:36] * dclarke shakes head [09:43:43] <dclarke> nope .. I'm not gonna [09:43:48] <cmihai> Come on... [09:43:49] <dclarke> ya can't make me [09:43:54] <jmcp> go awwwn, live on the edge [09:44:07] <dclarke> I just did that and had to install a package with a hack [09:44:16] <jteo> all you need is emacs. [09:44:25] <cmihai> All you need is love... [09:44:46] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:44:49] <dclarke> and a 1.7 M house in Silicon valley [09:45:01] <cmihai> dclarke: it's safe to remove all the Tavor, mutipath and Fiber Channel stuff [09:45:10] <dclarke> oh really ? [09:45:14] <dclarke> are ya sure ? [09:45:20] <jmcp> cmihai: really? [09:45:23] <cmihai> (but don't take my word for it, grep /var/sadm/install/contents and ldd them! [09:45:25] <jmcp> dclarke: got any FC devices in your system? [09:45:26] <dclarke> now yer messing with me [09:45:31] <dclarke> nope [09:45:50] <dclarke> Removal of <SUNWfctl> was successful. [09:46:05] <Doc> you removed SUNWfctl? bawhahaw [09:46:12] <Doc> expect a panic any second... [09:46:22] <jteo> wtf is in SUNWfctl? [09:46:34] <Doc> no idea, i'm just screwing with him :) [09:46:37] <dclarke> fibre port stuff [09:46:38] <LeftWing> lmao [09:46:49] <dclarke> Removal of <SUNWluxopr> was successful. [09:46:54] <jmcp> the fctl and fp modules [09:46:59] <Doc> dclarke: what type of system? [09:47:04] <dclarke> telco [09:47:07] <jmcp> if you don't have any fc devices in your system then it's probably ok to remove them [09:47:08] <dclarke> netra T1 [09:47:08] <jteo> shit. a company with loonies like Doc must be fun to work in. [09:47:19] <Doc> i'd get rid of all of the FC-AL stuff... jmcp wrote some of it, and we all know how reliable his code is... [09:47:38] <jteo> ... [09:47:43] <jmcp> :-) [09:47:53] * dclarke with a french accents thinks "it's shit!" [09:47:57] <jmcp> yeah ... all that crappy opensource software, you can't trust it at all! [09:48:11] <cmihai> I concur! [09:48:37] <jteo> yes [09:48:38] <cmihai> dclarke: did you remove all that InfiniBand crap also? [09:48:40] <dclarke> SUNWrge Realtek Gigabit Ethernet Driver [09:48:41] <jteo> AIX ROOLS [09:48:45] <dclarke> thats gone [09:48:51] <dclarke> infiniband .. yes [09:49:19] <Doc> did you read our suppose policy on minimized systems before you started this exercise? [09:49:20] <cmihai> I still see the multipath and Tavor stuff [09:49:52] <jmcp> cmihai: scsi_vhci is used by straight scsi as well as fc [09:49:54] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/phhDvm21.html [09:50:01] <Doc> jmcp: no it's not [09:50:04] <LeftWing> Doc: Is the policy "No, NO! STOP!"? =P [09:50:23] <jmcp> Doc: when was the last time you looked in the code for scsi_vhci ? [09:50:25] <dclarke> actually ... I need to go run after a baby ... [09:50:32] <dclarke> back in a while .. maybe [09:50:35] <Doc> basically you can not remove anything that is in SUNWCmreq [09:50:39] <cmihai> jmcp: the mpathadm stuff [09:50:47] <jmcp> cmihai: don't swear at me! [09:50:49] <LeftWing> Doc: Makes sense. [09:50:52] <cmihai> heh [09:51:00] <LeftWing> Infiniband and some FC stuff are in that if I recall... [09:51:22] <Doc> scsi_vhci is in SUNWckr anyway, so you cant remove it even if you wanted to [09:52:04] <cmihai> Heh, he ran off. [09:52:08] <cmihai> Well, this is no fun. [09:52:11] <LeftWing> heh, SUNWbzip is in SUNWCmreq [09:52:44] <jmcp> should I detach my mirrored root+swap before running LU? [09:52:48] * jmcp hasn't LU'd before [09:53:02] <Doc> leftwing: and libbz is in SUNWbzip, and bzip is used by patchadd/pkgadd/etc [09:53:13] <Doc> (although I'm not sure if it actually uses libbz, but it should if it doesnt) [09:53:32] <LeftWing> ahh [09:53:41] <Doc> hmm.. looks like it doesnt.. strange [09:54:36] <Doc> anyone know what order i should install in if i want to multi-boot Windows 2003, Vmware ESX3 (VI3) and Solaris 10? [09:54:52] <cmihai> Always and I mean _always_ install Windows first. [09:55:02] <Doc> yah.. done that big [09:55:03] <cmihai> It will procede to exterminate any traces of other Operating Systems. [09:55:07] <Doc> s/big/bit/ [09:55:12] <LeftWing> Multibooting ESX... heh [09:55:13] <cmihai> Even if they're on other disks :) [09:55:41] *** loke_ has joined #opensolaris [09:55:54] <cmihai> So you usually end up physically removeing them before installing Windows ;). Anwyway... Win->ESX->Sol... good luck, you'll need it. [09:55:57] <cmihai> Hm.. Windows needs a primary... [09:56:31] <cmihai> And ESX probably wants one 2... man, you're bound to have some fun there :) [09:56:39] <Doc> win->sol i'm happy with, just not sure about ESX [09:56:53] <Doc> i'll try it. if it fails i'll just put esx on it's own disk [09:57:00] <Doc> but given that it's just linux, it should be grub friendly... [09:57:09] <cmihai> It's not just Linux... [09:57:18] <Doc> near enough [09:57:19] <cmihai> It uses Linux as a loader... but then runs something else [09:57:40] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [09:57:42] <cmihai> Well, anyway, if "it's own disk" is an option from the start, why not do that now? [09:58:06] *** axisys has quit IRC [09:58:18] <Doc> because it's easier to select a menu option to change between them then to swap hardware [09:59:02] <cmihai> You can use GRUB to do that even with different disks [10:00:59] <cmihai> + most computers now have a key (ex: F11) to drop down a boot menu :) [10:02:29] <dclarke> its been fun .. gotta go .. I'm in a hotel in frozen Canada and gotta grab some sleep [10:02:42] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [10:02:45] <dclarke> catch y'all later [10:02:50] <cmihai> See ya. [10:02:54] *** dclarke is now known as dclarke_ZZZzzz [10:03:17] <cmihai> dclarke_ZZZzzz: note: next time use VMware + snapshots :P [10:03:37] <cmihai> Nothing like "start level from checkpoint / reload" to help you finish the game;) [10:05:31] *** loke__ has quit IRC [10:10:13] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:14] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [10:10:33] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [10:10:36] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:18:04] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [10:20:26] <sickness> morning all [10:26:29] <master_baiter> ciao sickness [10:26:55] <sickness> :) [10:30:30] <jmcp> anybody got time to help me with an LU question? [10:30:41] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [10:31:10] <jmcp> ah, I think I've figured it out [10:31:18] <cmihai> 3Could you repeat it? [10:32:14] <Doc> nah.. you'll need to wait until we do another LU expertexchange :) [10:32:46] <cmihai> Doc: don't you mean expertsexchange? :) [10:33:02] <jmcp> Doc: it's ok, I bothered to read the output from the lucreate cmd :) [10:35:52] <sickness> uh, I always use LU, but I'm a n00b =) [10:35:53] * jmcp pays heed to the scary warning about Not Interrupting The Process (tm) [10:36:10] <jmcp> sickness: this is my very first LU foray ... I'm an LU virgin :) [10:36:32] <sickness> jmcp: you?!? =) I would more think about you as a veteran of every solaris aspect! :P [10:36:45] <jmcp> heh .. I'm used to doing bfu upgrades [10:37:18] <cmihai> jmcp: you can intrerrupt it :p [10:37:28] <jmcp> but when I got RIFfed and then took delivery of my new box I decided I'd stick with regular upgrades and use LU when possible. snv_56 is the first I've wanted to upgrade to [10:37:32] <jmcp> cmihai: hahaha ... maybe [10:37:54] <cmihai> No fair, you guys get the toys before us :P [10:38:03] <jmcp> L [10:38:04] <jmcp> :)_\ [10:38:09] * jmcp can't type tonight [10:38:37] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:39:03] <Doc> jmcp: sun.com/expertexchange - you can see me pretending to know what i'm talking about :) [10:39:06] <sickness> eheh [10:39:12] <Fish> hello [10:39:17] <jmcp> hi Fish [10:39:55] <sickness> I still don't understand if now you can upgrade zones inside of your system with LU, I can see it has that lupi-something but it's still considered not safe, right? [10:40:10] <jmcp> Doc: I only play an expert on tv [10:44:02] * jmcp groans @ http://blogs.sun.com/nigeldessau/entry/a_star_is_born [10:44:05] *** Fish has quit IRC [10:45:13] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:47:53] *** tsoome has quit IRC [11:01:38] <Tpenta> wotcha taling about doc? [11:02:42] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [11:02:43] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [11:03:34] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [11:05:47] <Doc> tpenta: hrm? [11:05:58] <Tpenta> (20:37:51) Doc: jmcp: sun.com/expertexchange - you can see me pretending to know what i'm talking about :) [11:06:25] <Doc> i was one of the "experts" for the live upgrade EE [11:06:37] <Tpenta> cool [11:06:40] <jmcp> ah, that would make sense [11:06:46] <jmcp> Tpenta: I'm LU'ing my system [11:06:53] <jmcp> and taking notes, so I can blog later [11:06:56] <Tpenta> I've been a moderator on one of those things before [11:06:58] <jmcp> as much for others as for me :) [11:20:37] <jteo> playing an expert is always fun. ;) [11:37:20] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [11:38:09] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [11:42:39] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [11:43:09] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [11:47:12] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [11:55:27] * jmcp wanders off to luactive ++ reboot [11:55:59] *** jmcp has quit IRC [11:56:00] * LeftWing waits for real in-memory upgrades before upgrading. [11:56:21] <cmihai> As in, a microkernel that can reload everything? [11:56:28] * cmihai gives LeftWing Minix 3. [11:56:33] <cmihai> Enjoy. [11:56:39] <LeftWing> pssh, I want a proper monolithic kernel. [11:57:19] <cmihai> http://www.myl.ro/forum/index.php?act=gal&code=10&img=511&ext=jpg - check this out :) [11:57:26] <cmihai> It's Minix 3 with gcc, emacs, X etc running on Solaris :) [11:57:57] <Tpenta> there seems to be something vaguely sacriligious about tat concept [11:58:07] <cmihai> http://www.myl.ro/forum/index.php?act=gal&code=01&img=511# - check the description, it's a full blown OS at 2GB of packages :) [11:58:12] <Peanut> Does anyone konw about the Windows on Solaris on Sunray from Thinguy's blog? [11:58:16] <LeftWing> cmihai: Heh. [11:58:31] <LeftWing> Peanut: Linky? [11:59:02] <cmihai> Cooles part is.. you can reload the kernel without rebooting :) [11:59:23] <LeftWing> Yeah, or, I could run a Real OS. ;) [11:59:37] <cmihai> Yeah, QNX! [11:59:44] <LeftWing> Hahaha [11:59:51] <Peanut> blogs.sun.com/ThinGuy [12:00:09] <Peanut> Warning: takes *AGES* to load, might seem to have crashed your browser, but is well worth watching. [12:01:54] <LeftWing> Heh, there's a giant PUNCHIN icon there. [12:02:27] <cmihai> Huh, worked instantly here [12:02:40] *** adlpaf_ has joined #opensolaris [12:02:59] <cmihai> Nice. [12:03:29] <cmihai> That's rather fast... [12:03:39] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [12:03:45] <cmihai> But mind you... that is STILL nothing more that qemu + kqemu [12:04:50] <Peanut> I mean the entry for january 12. [12:05:32] <cmihai> Heh, yeah [12:05:37] <quasi> Peanut: what, the win4sol bit? [12:06:56] <cmihai> SunPCiIII cards.. heh [12:07:44] <quasi> cmihai: those were nice [12:07:57] <Peanut> quasi: yes, win4sol. I guess that must be a win4lin port. [12:09:42] <cmihai> Yeah, I belive he's running win4lin with lxrun or something similar. [12:09:45] <quasi> Peanut: "Bingo Patrick, except it's more than that too as win4lin is more than just qemu/kqemu. More details to follow." from the comments [12:09:52] <cmihai> Win4Lin is nothing more than qemu + kqemu though. [12:11:29] <Vanuatoo> Is it a big difference in stability between SX and SXC builds? [12:13:22] <cmihai> http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2779/installingpt5.jpg - qemu already does a fine job on Solaris ;). 8 including Sol 9 in qemu :) [12:16:31] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [12:26:40] *** adlpaf_ has quit IRC [12:30:07] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [12:31:08] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [12:31:54] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [12:49:35] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [12:54:18] *** gallium has joined #opensolaris [13:15:33] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [13:16:03] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [13:16:45] *** trs81 has quit IRC [13:17:50] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [13:20:12] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [13:23:01] * jmcp returns [13:23:02] <jmcp> gah [13:23:06] <jmcp> what a p.it.a. that was [13:23:24] <jmcp> I forgot the /sbin/bootadm update-archive step, so I kept getting my snv_49 instance booted :( [13:24:00] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [13:24:41] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [13:25:25] <jmcp> oh bugger [13:25:33] <jmcp> my laptop decided to power-off :( [13:25:57] <cmihai> jmcp: did you forget about luactivate? [13:26:04] <cmihai> Or didn't use init 6? [13:26:28] <jmcp> cmihai: oh, I did the luactivate [13:26:38] <cmihai> And how did you reboot? [13:26:41] <cmihai> Did you use init 6? [13:26:47] <jmcp> I used "reboot" rather than init 6 [13:26:52] <cmihai> Ah, there's the problem :) [13:26:57] <jmcp> not the only one [13:27:09] <cmihai> Heh [13:27:10] <jmcp> my new BE's fdisk partition wasn't marked active, either [13:27:21] <cmihai> lustatus... [13:27:33] <jmcp> yeah, that's a handy thing [13:28:41] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [13:31:31] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [13:49:15] *** dclarke_ZZZzzz is now known as dclarke [13:51:52] <LeftWing> Heh. Joerg is explaining the GPL on osol-discuss again. [13:53:44] <cmihai> Uh-oh. [13:56:10] <cmihai> Bah, osol-politics :) [13:57:13] <dclarke> morning [13:57:35] <dclarke> its a bitter morning here ... so .. I guess I'll go look at the osol-discuss .. again [13:58:01] <LeftWing> heh [13:59:27] [14:00:16] <cmihai> There's 3-4 emails [14:00:20] <cmihai> They don't say much [14:00:36] <LeftWing> He's just letting people know that the GPL FAQ is wrong is all. ;P [14:01:09] <steleman> that's very good. i feel that the GPL has not been discussed enough on osol-discuss. [14:01:20] <LeftWing> steleman: I know! I was just thinking the same thing. [14:01:30] <LeftWing> I was about to start a thread about it, but then I read the Samba licensing one. [14:01:50] <cmihai> Am I the only one that thinks GPL has been discussed. Enough. Really :) [14:02:01] <steleman> LeftWing: maybe opensolaris should institute a new policy of having a gpl-discuss list and everyone MUST subscribe to it. [14:02:13] <LeftWing> steleman: No, no -- I fear this would not be enough! [14:02:20] <LeftWing> Everyone must POST to it! [14:02:28] <steleman> :-D [14:02:28] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC [14:02:32] <LeftWing> Lest they run the risk of POSIX non-compliance. [14:02:44] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [14:03:58] <steleman> morning dclarke [14:04:45] *** pseudoXh4 has joined #opensolaris [14:05:39] <pseudoXh4> Is there anywhere I can get the Community Release DVD ISO in one file rather than 99 like on the Solaris website? [14:05:55] <pseudoXh4> Doesn't matter if it's a torrent or anything. :\ [14:06:51] <Doc> 99? [14:06:55] <pseudoXh4> Well, 5. [14:07:06] * LeftWing hums the Order of Magnitude Rag. [14:07:11] <Doc> if it's not on the website, then you can't legally get it from anywhere else [14:07:28] <pseudoXh4> Oh. :( [14:07:58] <cmihai> Bah, it's 5 and Sun provides a download manager. [14:08:15] <pseudoXh4> Yeah... but the Download Manager doesn't work on here. :( [14:08:30] <pseudoXh4> I get weird Java errors. [14:08:33] <cmihai> Too bad, so sad :) [14:08:37] <pseudoXh4> Indeed. :P [14:08:38] <cmihai> Are you on svn_54? :) [14:08:41] <LeftWing> You could just use wget [14:08:46] <pseudoXh4> No... I'm on NetBSD. [14:08:51] <cmihai> Well, duh :) [14:08:55] <pseudoXh4> :p [14:08:56] <LeftWing> Does NetBSD even have Java? =P [14:09:13] <pseudoXh4> LeftWing, yeah, but then it complains of a long filename... and I have no clue how you can output a file to a different name than its URL's name. :\ [14:09:21] <pseudoXh4> LeftWing, through Linux emulation. :P [14:09:30] <pseudoXh4> And that's why I'm having problems with the download manager. [14:09:41] <pseudoXh4> Ah. [14:09:43] <pseudoXh4> Thanks. [14:10:27] <LeftWing> or man wget [14:11:03] <pseudoXh4> Doc, yeah, but I looked for output and all I found was.. [14:11:04] <pseudoXh4> Logging and input file: [14:11:05] <pseudoXh4> -o, --output-file=FILE log messages to FILE. [14:11:16] <pseudoXh4> Didn't know they referred to files you're downloading as 'documents'. :\ [14:11:27] <cmihai> I refer to them as pr0n [14:11:31] <pseudoXh4> ;) [14:11:44] <LeftWing> cmihai: Solaris.iso.jpg? =P [14:11:56] <cmihai> hehehe [14:12:51] <dclarke> morning [14:12:57] <dclarke> steleman: morning [14:13:14] <steleman> dclarke: :-) [14:13:24] <dclarke> sorry no smiley here [14:13:29] <dclarke> up to my ears in life [14:13:31] <steleman> what's wrong [14:13:33] <dclarke> in a hotel at the moment [14:13:49] <dclarke> my wifes over at a hospital watching her father [14:13:53] <steleman> omg [14:13:57] <dclarke> we had to stop life support this morning [14:14:02] <dclarke> it was a tough call [14:14:04] <steleman> oh god [14:14:07] <steleman> i am so sorry [14:14:12] <dclarke> super tough .. like life and death [14:14:22] <dclarke> I'm baby sitting at the moment [14:14:27] <steleman> this is because of the accident last week ? [14:14:30] <dclarke> yep [14:14:36] <steleman> :-( i am so sorry [14:14:46] <dclarke> that one fall for a 70 year old man leads to a head trauma [14:15:00] <dclarke> so over a period of a few days there was some swelling in the brain [14:15:12] <dclarke> needless to say .. everything is shutting down [14:15:17] <steleman> oh god [14:15:39] <dclarke> and this morning the doctors just finally had to say that no amount of artificial support will stop the inevitable [14:15:53] <dclarke> so .. I need to pack up here .. get over there .. [14:15:58] <dclarke> a million things [14:16:04] <steleman> i am very very sorry [14:16:16] <dclarke> dunno .. I'm an amazing planner .. but .. my heands are real full at the moment [14:16:18] <LeftWing> That's terrible -- Sorry to hear about that Dennis. =( [14:16:31] <dclarke> life .. these events do happen and when they do .. everything stops [14:16:46] <dclarke> well last night I was playing with a computer just to keep occupied [14:17:04] <dclarke> but I'm no where near home and no where near internested in things technical [14:17:07] <dclarke> at the moment [14:17:20] <dclarke> so . .anyways .. now I have to go face the hotel bill [14:17:31] <dclarke> pack up the baby and vacate the premises [14:17:56] <dclarke> that explains why I was up until 3 AM last night and then up again this morning [14:18:02] <dclarke> not really sleeping anyways ... [14:18:11] <dclarke> oh well heck ... so .. steleman [14:18:19] <dclarke> I'll be in touch in a week or so [14:18:26] <dclarke> whatever ... [14:18:27] <steleman> ok [14:18:29] <steleman> just hang in there [14:18:35] <steleman> hugs [14:18:37] <dclarke> yeah .. I'm juggling [14:18:44] * dclarke smiles [14:19:09] <dclarke> well .. half smile anyways [14:19:25] <dclarke> okay .. so y'all ... been a pleasure .. I gotta pack up here [14:19:30] <steleman> ok [14:19:36] <dclarke> drop me an email in a bit [14:19:40] <dclarke> like a day or so [14:19:43] <dclarke> or two [14:19:45] <dclarke> at least [14:20:25] <dclarke> and to whomeever was here watching me strip a Solaris 10 box down to the ground .. I was just playing .. that was fun [14:20:35] <dclarke> that box is own to 80 packages totall [14:20:44] <dclarke> I'll play with that later this week [14:20:53] <dclarke> for now .. gotta go take care of big stuff [14:21:02] <dclarke> geez .. words fail [14:21:07] <dclarke> ttyl [14:22:13] *** dclarke has quit IRC [14:23:16] *** adlpaf has quit IRC [14:37:58] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [14:38:53] *** deather__ has quit IRC [14:38:59] *** deather__ has joined #opensolaris [14:45:02] *** sniffy has quit IRC [14:45:02] *** dlg has quit IRC [14:45:02] *** deather__ has quit IRC [14:45:02] *** Fish has quit IRC [14:45:04] *** broadcast has quit IRC [14:45:04] *** Peanut has quit IRC [14:45:04] *** Risky__ has quit IRC [14:45:04] *** ofu has quit IRC [14:45:58] *** Peanut has joined #opensolaris [14:46:01] *** ofu has joined #opensolaris [14:46:44] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris [14:47:53] *** dlg has joined #opensolaris [14:47:53] *** deather__ has joined #opensolaris [14:47:53] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [14:47:53] *** broadcast has joined #opensolaris [14:47:53] *** Risky__ has joined #opensolaris [14:48:53] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [14:55:30] *** pikapika has quit IRC [14:55:55] *** LordKing has quit IRC [15:01:49] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome [15:02:34] *** gustav3d has joined #opensolaris [15:12:24] *** xea_ has joined #opensolaris [15:13:49] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris [15:24:09] *** gustav3d has quit IRC [15:24:32] *** gm152 has quit IRC [15:24:33] <richlowe> Hrm, wow. [15:25:08] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [15:25:25] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [15:25:38] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris [15:25:44] <pseudoXh4> Mreh, whoah. [15:26:30] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [15:27:37] <dfgas> where do i find software to install like xmms? [15:28:30] *** kloczek has quit IRC [15:28:37] <cmihai> dfgas: try blastwave. [15:28:40] <cmihai> Or pkgsrc.. [15:28:45] <pseudoXh4> PKGSRC!!!! <3<3<3 [15:28:50] <pseudoXh4> I was just about the suggest that. :) [15:28:53] <pseudoXh4> to* [15:29:02] <cmihai> Well, I am a BSD guy :] [15:29:06] <cmihai> Sort of. [15:29:09] *** klocze2 has joined #opensolaris [15:29:14] <pseudoXh4> Your nickname looks very familiar... :\ [15:29:22] <pseudoXh4> Were you in any BSD channels, or #plan9 or #linuxhelp? [15:29:35] <cmihai> Nah, just #OpenBSD [15:29:40] <pseudoXh4> YUP! That's it.. [15:29:49] <dfgas> i am used to using apt-get to get my stuff [15:29:50] <dfgas> heh [15:29:59] <cmihai> dfgas: pkg-get is like apt-get.. sort of. [15:30:04] <dfgas> so this is a little different i would assome [15:30:09] *** sartek has quit IRC [15:30:10] <dfgas> asume [15:30:15] <dfgas> k [15:30:49] <dfgas> i take it thats something you have to install [15:30:49] <dojtoll> Isnt it possible to attach a 5.4Tb array to Solaris? [15:30:54] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [15:31:01] <dfgas> is there anyhing like synaptic? [15:31:03] <dojtoll> It shows as a 1.02Tb array [15:31:08] <cmihai> dojtoll: yeah, sure, there's drivers for most anything FC [15:31:18] <cmihai> dojtoll: how and what are you attaching? [15:31:23] <cmihai> And what FS is it? [15:31:26] <tsoome> what solaris? [15:31:26] *** gallium has quit IRC [15:31:28] <cmihai> :) [15:31:55] <dojtoll> cmihai: Humm. Stange. I've attached a Infotrend FC array to a JNI FC card on a E220R with OpenSolaris B54. [15:31:56] <dojtoll> =) [15:32:12] <tsoome> 64bit kernel? [15:32:17] <dojtoll> tsoome: Yepps [15:32:20] *** sartek has quit IRC [15:32:31] <tsoome> lun sizes? [15:32:40] <dojtoll> 5.4Tb [15:32:46] <tsoome> single lun? [15:32:50] <dojtoll> Yepps [15:33:04] <tsoome> bad idea IMO [15:33:27] <dojtoll> I'm kinda new to FC. Is it better make smaler LUNs and get them to gether with zfs? [15:33:32] <tsoome> yes [15:33:37] <dojtoll> How big? [15:33:40] <tsoome> single HBA? [15:33:43] <cmihai> All I've got here to test is a 1.1TB EMC2 CX300, but it sees 1.1 TB [15:33:57] <dojtoll> tsoome: I'ev just got one card. Thinking of getting one more. [15:34:07] <tsoome> direct attached array? [15:34:10] <dojtoll> Yepps [15:35:00] <tsoome> this array is micrange array with dual controllers? [15:35:19] <dojtoll> Indeed [15:36:15] <tsoome> I would do something like 2 or 4 luns - if you can "see" something like 1T, it suggests even 6 luns may be good [15:36:36] <tsoome> especially if you are going to get another HBA [15:36:57] <tsoome> then you can spread luns over 2 controllers [15:37:08] <dojtoll> ok [15:37:27] <dojtoll> So 3 LUNs per controller and the let zfs do the magic. =) [15:37:42] <tsoome> and most likely you will get better perfomance compared to single lun solution [15:37:42] <dojtoll> then even [15:38:17] <tsoome> but you can test this idea and let us know [15:38:55] <dojtoll> tsoome: It it better to have one big raid-5 at the array or shall I have smal slices there to? [15:38:56] <dojtoll> br [15:38:59] <dojtoll> brb [15:39:11] <tsoome> this actually depends on IO [15:39:14] <lasseoe> hm.. on my X2100 M2 I did "zfs attach pool c0d0s6 c1d0s6, and now it's completely unresponsive [15:39:30] <lasseoe> it hasn't crashed though, I can ping it [15:39:39] <lasseoe> (S10 11/06) [15:39:55] <tsoome> one big R5 od 5TB means you have quite many HDD's in this R5 [15:40:06] <tsoome> how many exactly? [15:40:19] <dojtoll> 15+ hotspare [15:40:35] <dfgas> how do i add to the already set path? [15:40:39] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [15:40:44] <tsoome> well, the it will be like 14D+1P configuration [15:41:19] <tsoome> and as time will pass, you have quite good chanches to habe multiple HDD failures in single R5 [15:41:35] <tsoome> and this is obviously bad [15:41:57] <tsoome> but it's your call afterall;) [15:43:19] <tsoome> what you may try with 2 HBA setup is to create 2 R5, and export it via different controlles to HBA's [15:43:43] <dojtoll> Yhea, I was thinking about that. [15:43:46] <tsoome> then each controller in array will manage separate R5 [15:44:00] <dojtoll> And give me more IO... [15:44:06] <dojtoll> Hopfully... ;) [15:44:09] <tsoome> exactly [15:44:16] <dojtoll> Bad to the lab. =D [15:44:26] <dojtoll> tsoome: Thanks for the help. =) [15:44:48] *** nbkk6fo__ is now known as rodrick-brown [15:44:57] <dojtoll> bad = back =) [15:45:25] <dfgas> how do i add /opt/csq/bin to the current path? [15:45:26] <tsoome> also, if you will create many luns, you can generate more IO ops for them [15:45:51] <tsoome> dfgas: man your_shell [15:46:20] <dojtoll> dfgas: PATH=$PATH:/opt/csq/bin [15:46:35] <dojtoll> tsoome: ok [15:47:22] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [15:49:06] <dojtoll> tsoome: Shall i stick with 128Kb stripesize or go for 256Kb? [15:49:39] <tsoome> hard to tell - it depends from your system [15:50:07] <dojtoll> file size 5Mb to 50Mb [15:50:22] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [15:50:54] <tsoome> yes but file systems are using different size blocks (ufs 8k and zfs 128k if I'm correct) [15:52:22] <tsoome> perhaps 128 is ok [15:52:31] <tsoome> but thats only a guess [15:53:03] <dojtoll> I dont think I'll notice any diffrence in preformance... [15:53:05] <tsoome> 256 is probably better for streaming servers [15:54:53] <dojtoll> Is it better to have two controllers then a dual-port card? [15:55:33] <tsoome> depends [15:55:51] <tsoome> if you have plenty of pci slots, go with separate cards [15:56:04] <tsoome> as they are more independent then [15:56:09] <dojtoll> True.. [15:57:36] <tsoome> btw you can use /usr/demo/dtrace/iothrough.d to see what size data blocks are more common.... [15:57:52] *** gongoputch has quit IRC [15:58:35] <pseudoXh4> What's required for a minimal installation of Solaris? (Which CDs, if all I'm looking for is X and a compiler?) [16:00:03] <tsoome> short on disk space? [16:01:08] <pseudoXh4> Nah, slow connection. [16:01:48] <tsoome> can't tell, I've used only dvd images [16:02:04] <tsoome> for some time now... [16:03:37] <lasseoe> I wish Sun would take out Application Server and StarOffice, it just doesn't belong there [16:04:54] <Darwin> I wish they would provide a public jumpstart server ;) [16:05:08] <lasseoe> It makes no difference [16:05:31] <lasseoe> well, if you're only install SUNWCreq sure, but most people install the workds [16:05:41] <lasseoe> in which case, you might as well get the CDs/DVD [16:06:20] *** a_pavlenko has joined #opensolaris [16:08:01] <pseudoXh4> So like. [16:08:01] <pseudoXh4> What do CD1 and 2 install? [16:09:07] <lasseoe> Don't know, I only ever use the DVD iso [16:09:18] <lasseoe> from which I create my jumpstart images [16:09:19] <pseudoXh4> :( [16:09:20] <pseudoXh4> Man. [16:09:28] <pseudoXh4> I didn't get a DVD writer 'till like... 3 months ago. [16:09:35] <pseudoXh4> So I'm still hesitant to burn onto DVDs. [16:09:42] <pseudoXh4> Can't let go of the past. :) [16:10:56] <Darwin> you dont have to burn them, just mount the iso with a lofi and install a jumpstart server :) [16:11:48] <Darwin> I dont even have a cd writer, heh [16:11:52] <tsoome> exactly - netinstall is almost only way for me as well [16:12:29] <lasseoe> I've installed 1 box from DVD in like.. years, rest from jumpstart [16:14:15] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [16:16:50] *** LordKing has quit IRC [16:20:53] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [16:24:14] *** Kmays has joined #opensolaris [16:24:57] *** Symmetria has joined #opensolaris [16:29:29] *** Kmays has quit IRC [16:34:36] *** greenbag has joined #opensolaris [16:35:17] *** greenbag has left #opensolaris [16:37:46] *** SymmHome has joined #opensolaris [16:40:41] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [16:40:44] *** SymmHome is now known as symmetria [16:40:46] *** symmetria is now known as Symmetria [16:51:14] *** MikeTLive has joined #opensolaris [17:02:35] *** rodrick-brown has quit IRC [17:02:42] *** rodrick-brown has joined #opensolaris [17:03:55] *** pseudoXh4 has quit IRC [17:04:20] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [17:14:15] *** LeftWing_ has joined #OpenSolaris [17:14:16] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [17:18:43] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [17:26:13] *** Fish has quit IRC [17:26:49] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [17:34:32] *** Symmetria has joined #opensolaris [17:38:28] *** pseudoXh4 has joined #opensolaris [17:38:43] <pseudoXh4> So does anyone know what CD ISOs I need if all I want is to get Solaris up and running with cc and X? [17:39:42] <jteo> cc come with Sun Studio. [17:39:46] <jteo> *comes [17:39:55] <pseudoXh4> Hmmm.. [17:39:58] <pseudoXh4> Then just X. :) [17:40:01] <jteo> if you don't know what you're doing, you need all of them. [17:40:26] <pseudoXh4> Well... I'm familiar with the BSDs..... and I'm one of those IRC trolls who doesn't bother reading man pages.... [17:40:46] <pseudoXh4> Don't know if that'd help me any though.... all of this /pci@,2,2,22, stuff looks confusing. :P [17:41:51] <tsoome> then read docs.sun.com [17:41:57] <pseudoXh4> Indeed, I plan on doing so. [17:42:04] <pseudoXh4> However, does CD1 have X on it? [17:42:09] <pseudoXh4> Or CD2? :\ [17:42:28] <tsoome> but, /devices is a hw specific view on devices, /dev is logical view [17:43:15] <delewis> pseudoXh4, why does it matter? download every CD. [17:43:23] <pseudoXh4> delewis, I have a slow connection... [17:43:56] <delewis> pseudoXh4, if the Sun "free media kit" promo is still going on, get one. [17:44:01] <delewis> or order yourself a media kit. [17:44:03] <lasseoe> if you need X, then you'll probably have to get all of the CDs [17:44:27] <pseudoXh4> delewis, yeah, I signed up for that... but 10 days is alot. :P [17:44:50] <delewis> pseudoXh4, not if you want to use a free, enterprise-grade operating system. [17:44:57] <pseudoXh4> :) [17:45:16] <pseudoXh4> Well, I guess I'll just download the DVD ISO then... doesn't seem like I have much of a choice. :P [17:45:20] <lasseoe> 10 days is pretty good taking into consideration that you're not even paying for shipping [17:45:50] <pseudoXh4> I have a strong feeling it'll take longer than 10 days though-- shipping to Australia. :) [17:46:27] <lasseoe> still using mail by Kangaroo ? [17:46:36] <dfgas> how do i mount samba shares? [17:46:49] <delewis> dfgas, you don't. [17:47:03] <delewis> use smbclient or anything else that makes use of libsmbclient [17:48:35] <pseudoXh4> With Solaris drivers like the Ralink RT2500 wifi driver, does it matter if the interface is USB, *PCI or CardBus? [17:49:44] *** adlpaf has joined #opensolaris [17:55:02] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:57:40] *** gm152_ has quit IRC [18:17:44] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [18:25:27] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [18:25:45] *** alfism has left #opensolaris [18:31:36] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [18:39:25] *** broadcast has quit IRC [18:39:26] *** jmcp has quit IRC [18:41:26] <rodrick-brown> wow [18:41:43] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [18:41:52] <rodrick-brown> you can disable interrupts and network i/o on a particular processor [18:41:55] <rodrick-brown> that's awesome. [18:45:15] *** pseudoXh4 has quit IRC [18:47:42] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [18:51:03] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [19:37:38] *** _dreams_ has joined #OpenSolaris [19:41:48] *** steleman has quit IRC [19:47:20] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [19:53:52] *** Odin-LAP has joined #opensolaris [19:56:43] *** a_pavlenko has quit IRC [19:59:45] *** UnixTitan has joined #opensolaris [20:02:26] *** rodrick-brown has quit IRC [20:02:42] *** rodrick-brown has joined #opensolaris [20:09:19] *** logic_ has quit IRC [20:19:02] *** steleman has joined #opensolaris [20:33:52] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [20:33:55] <bank> hello [20:34:50] <bank> I do not know why, system can not configure nge0 successfully. but after I log in. I disactive and reactivate then it 's ok [20:35:07] <sickness> evening all [20:35:08] <bank> they said about apr net failed .. when booting [20:35:25] <bank> but every configuration is good. [20:35:36] <bank> I am rebooting over and over again. [20:35:47] <bank> but I don't know why there are problem. [20:36:18] <bank> I will reboot again [20:36:21] *** bank has quit IRC [20:42:32] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [20:43:42] <kimc> trying to change the console to serial but can't find any info on using bootadm to modify the kernel boot arguments [20:44:40] <kimc> so if its 'ADDED BY BOOTADM - DO NOT EDIT' how is is modified the 'right way' ? [20:44:44] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [20:44:52] <e^ipi> just edit it [20:44:58] <kimc> heh [20:44:59] <e^ipi> but the changes won't persist [20:45:00] <bank> It still said ip_arp_init failed [20:45:25] <kimc> ahh.. so you would used bootadm to make it persist ? [20:45:26] <bank> unable to configure IPv4(s) [20:45:53] <bank> but when I login GUI MODE. I just deactivate and reactivate. and It'swork [20:46:03] <bank> so I don't know. what [20:46:17] <bank> what'swrong with it . when booting [20:46:50] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [20:47:34] <kimc> i want it to read: kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot -B console=ttya,ttya-mode="115200,8,n,1,-" [20:47:51] <bank> hi kimc [20:48:11] <kimc> hi bank.. how are you ? [20:48:34] <bank> I am at data center. it's cold. [20:48:47] <kimc> nice.. [20:49:04] *** djgregor_ has quit IRC [20:49:06] <bank> I have a problem when booting solaris. it's said ip_arp_init failed unable to configure IPv4 [20:49:19] <kimc> bootadm set-menu [then what ..] [20:49:24] <bank> but when I log in GUI mode, I just deactivate and reactivate it. [20:49:37] <bank> Do you know what is the problem kimc? [20:50:14] <kimc> hmm.. [20:50:32] <bank> is that a bug with network configure GUI in b55 [20:50:34] <kimc> did you disable anything: svcadm disable ? [20:50:42] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [20:50:47] <bank> no just after fresh install. [20:50:54] <kimc> hmm.. [20:51:03] <bank> I will reboot again. [20:51:06] <bank> wait a moment [20:51:15] *** bank has quit IRC [20:51:46] <kimc> bootadm set-menu kernel=/platform/i86pc/multiboot something like that ? [20:52:30] <kimc> there is more than 1 kernel line so how to specify ? [20:55:44] *** djgregor_ has joined #opensolaris [20:56:31] *** delewis has quit IRC [21:00:42] *** delewis has joined #Opensolaris [21:01:51] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [21:01:57] <bank> kimc [21:02:06] <bank> I believe it a bug of Network setting GUI. [21:02:30] <bank> how can we activate or disable network card in command line? [21:04:57] <sickness> ifconfig up/down ? [21:04:58] <sickness> plumb? [21:11:21] *** estibi has quit IRC [21:13:23] *** bank has quit IRC [21:13:55] *** bank2 has joined #opensolaris [21:17:05] *** bank2 has quit IRC [21:19:22] *** nostoi has quit IRC [21:19:25] *** deedaw has quit IRC [21:22:08] <myrkraverk> is there something I can use on linux to access a solaris serial console? [21:22:23] <sickness> cu ? [21:22:27] <sickness> minicom too [21:22:41] <myrkraverk> what about kermit? [21:22:59] *** rodrick-brown has quit IRC [21:23:22] <sickness> that too [21:23:27] <myrkraverk> ok [21:23:35] <sickness> I think every serial terminal is ok [21:23:45] <sickness> I always used cu with no problems [21:24:19] <myrkraverk> then another question, how do I configure a serial console in solaris? it's a laptop and the only actual serial line I have is an usb one (that I know to work) [21:24:52] <myrkraverk> I don't seem to have cu (installed) [21:25:25] <myrkraverk> or is that a FAQ? [21:25:52] <sickness> that's a good question [21:26:01] *** pikapika has joined #opensolaris [21:26:18] <sickness> usb mmm, I once did that under openbsd but I don't know under solaris :/ [21:26:27] <myrkraverk> ok ;/ [21:27:20] <pikapika> hello [21:27:22] <myrkraverk> I should probably clean up my desk, before actually starting to fiddle around with more cables anyway ;) [21:30:16] *** fdiab has joined #opensolaris [21:30:25] *** UnixTitan has quit IRC [21:32:35] <Triskelios> myrkraverk: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006061401/ [21:36:19] *** Kernel86|Laptop has quit IRC [21:41:46] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [21:42:33] *** _dreams_ has quit IRC [21:45:14] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [21:46:26] *** swa__ has quit IRC [21:48:18] *** brant has joined #opensolaris [21:48:57] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [21:52:47] *** rodrick-brown has joined #opensolaris [21:57:02] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [22:06:40] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [22:07:09] <_william_> hi all [22:07:42] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [22:09:33] *** _dreams_ has joined #OpenSolaris [22:09:44] <jamesd> hi _william_ [22:11:11] *** gm152 has quit IRC [22:12:05] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [22:12:48] <_william_> hi jamesd , how are you ? [22:13:04] *** DebolazX has joined #opensolaris [22:13:26] <jamesd> fine, banging my head against the wall trying to get sendmail to listen on all ip's instead of just 127.0.0.1 [22:13:44] * delewis tosses jamesd the "bat book" [22:14:52] <richlowe> look at the diffs when SBD went in, do the opposite. :) [22:15:27] <jamesd> delewis, i have added DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Name=MTA')dnl [22:15:27] <jamesd> to the sendmail.mc file and make'd it ... and edited the config in svccfg [22:15:36] <jamesd> local_only is false [22:16:36] <richlowe> in the right place? (you did svcadm refresh after that?) [22:17:31] <jamesd> yes [22:17:44] <jamesd> actually i disabled and then reenabled [22:18:31] *** pseudoXh4 has joined #OPENsolaris [22:18:44] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [22:20:27] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [22:23:02] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [22:41:47] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [22:44:47] *** andyshack has joined #opensolaris [22:45:18] *** yarihm has quit IRC [22:47:59] *** BadKarma has quit IRC [22:48:39] *** deather__ is now known as deather [22:49:07] *** BadKarma has joined #OpenSolaris [22:59:54] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [23:06:40] *** klocze2 has quit IRC [23:09:59] <e^ipi> is there a standard function to get which CPU a thread's running on? [23:10:35] <delewis> standard function, not sure. [23:10:44] <delewis> but there's some mdb magic you can do. [23:11:14] <e^ipi> meh, i'm looking for something i can run from inside code [23:11:15] *** wraith has joined #opensolaris [23:11:58] <pseudoXh4> wraith!!!! :D:D [23:12:16] * pseudoXh4 wonders if it's the same kind of 'wraith' he's thinking of... [23:12:19] *** charlieS has quit IRC [23:12:22] *** charlieS has joined #opensolaris [23:12:35] <andersmo> e^ipi: not terribly useful info, is it? Even if there was a syscall to tell you, the state could theoretically change between the return of the syscall and your use of the returned value, if the scheduler feels like preempting you... [23:12:45] <wraith> hi all.What terminal type should I specify when configuring a zone(when I do zlogin -C zone_name)?$TERM is xterm, but if I use this type I can't normally type [23:13:12] <wraith> pseudoXh4:yeah,that kind)) [23:13:18] <pseudoXh4> :D [23:13:23] <mv> pseudoXh4: stop watching sga ;) [23:13:25] <pseudoXh4> Man.. have you seen the latest episodes of Atlantis? [23:13:34] <pseudoXh4> I'm super pissed with the producers. :( [23:13:38] <pseudoXh4> at the* [23:13:42] <pseudoXh4> mv, hahah. :P [23:13:43] *** dme_ has quit IRC [23:13:48] <pseudoXh4> I can't help it... Stargate's addictive overall. :) [23:13:49] *** dme has joined #opensolaris [23:14:11] <lasseoe> wraith: try vt100 [23:15:25] <myrkraverk> Triskelios: thank you [23:16:08] <wraith> thanks I'll try [23:19:01] <wraith> mm, and how to get rid of little labels under each application window,that shows current language? [23:19:35] <wraith> how to turn them off? [23:19:49] <tsoome> google [23:20:00] <tsoome> there are some instructions around [23:20:33] <wraith> tsoome; I just don't know what to type in google.how these labels are called exactly? [23:20:38] <e^ipi> IME [23:23:05] *** nachox has quit IRC [23:38:52] *** wraith has quit IRC [23:47:10] <pseudoXh4> Yay. [23:47:25] <pseudoXh4> 40 minutes until SXCR DVD iso part 1 of 5 is done! [23:47:27] <pseudoXh4> Whooo. [23:48:31] *** steph has quit IRC [23:49:05] <e^ipi> my sxcr dvd is at build 31 [23:49:20] <e^ipi> i've BFU'ed every other build since [23:49:41] <e^ipi> i also have a set of 20-something CD's [23:51:51] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [23:52:26] <pseudoXh4> Nice. [23:56:15] *** adx has joined #opensolaris [23:58:10] *** swa_mobil has joined #opensolaris