January 24, 2007 
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January 24, 2007 [00:00:09] <uncertainty> ^^ [00:00:37] <uncertainty> some weeks ago [00:00:57] <uncertainty> i had a chance to get an octane for free from a friend [00:01:26] <uncertainty> as i wanted to grab it he told me his wife just put it into trash because she thought its rubbish... :'( [00:01:53] *** hile_ has quit IRC [00:02:10] <uncertainty> mh, another colloquy user... [00:02:26] <Plaidrab> And sadly, there are a lot of HP superdomes to kick out of the market too [00:02:50] * Odin-LAP has been coming to the conclusion that Apple and Sun are serving a fairly similar subset of their respective markets. [00:02:59] <Plaidrab> Ugly, hideous things. [00:03:34] <Plaidrab> Not at all sexy, like, say, An E25K [00:03:44] * Odin-LAP suspects also that Apple might stand to benefit significantly from opening up more. [00:03:45] <uncertainty> :D [00:03:48] <Error_404> i don't think an e25k is sexy [00:03:55] <Odin-LAP> Since, like Sun, they're essentially a HW shop... [00:04:06] <Error_404> i have no data to fill up that many cores [00:04:35] <Error_404> and I"m relatively certain i could never generate that much [00:04:38] <uncertainty> Error_404: you know, there are magazines with rather... stout women ;) [00:05:39] <Error_404> umm.... what? [00:05:42] * Plaidrab works in a sector where you might see a row of 25Ks. [00:06:06] <uncertainty> in what sector do you work, Plaidrab? [00:06:19] <Plaidrab> nonspecific contracting. :) [00:06:28] <Error_404> so then it's business capital... and about as sexy as a dumptruck [00:06:31] <elektronkind> financial or medical [00:06:35] <elektronkind> I bet ;) [00:06:48] <uncertainty> Error_404: you said you don't think a e25k is not sexy... i said there are magazines featuring rather corpulent "girls" ^^ [00:07:06] <Error_404> uncertainty: and I don't know where you are getting this metaphor from [00:07:07] <Plaidrab> What's not sexy about all those cores in 2 footprints? [00:07:08] <uncertainty> and of course, people who buy them ^^ [00:07:41] <elektronkind> I've had opportunities to work on large sun fires like those, but unfortunately under admin rules and mothodologies appropriate for the mid 90s [00:07:44] <uncertainty> i mean, the e25k is a big, huge and bulky machine ^^ [00:07:47] * salmandr thinks e25ks are sexy... of course he's never seen one in person, just the highly airbrushed shots on sun.com [00:08:06] <elektronkind> I'm even sunfire midframe certified. never used it beyond a E4800 though [00:08:18] <Error_404> Plaidrab: eats a lot of power, and you'd never be able to use that many cores unless you were a business generating that much data... and if you are, then it's just a machine that does work and nothing special [00:08:30] * sommerfeld was very amused by the photos he saw of one "enhanced" with a bunch of green cold cathode tubes.. [00:08:58] <elektronkind> it's only a matter of time until we see one with a beer tap on the front [00:09:04] <jmcp> elektronkind: I've completely stripped back a 6800 to the frame ... and re-assembled it [00:09:09] <elektronkind> ala the e10k kegerator [00:09:18] <uncertainty> do you know the picture where they modded some big sun machine with a tap? [00:09:35] *** pikapika has quit IRC [00:09:45] <elektronkind> jmcp: fun boxes, eh? I've never gone beyond stripping all the boards out [00:09:53] *** jesse-jads has quit IRC [00:09:57] <Error_404> http://toyvax.glendale.ca.us/~vance/images/vaxbar5.jpg [00:09:57] <jmcp> heheh .... you haven't lived :) [00:09:59] <Error_404> *nod* [00:10:07] <jmcp> elektronkind: we did it under time pressure, too [00:10:12] <jmcp> about 2.5 hours iirc [00:10:15] <jmcp> for a fully loaded 6800 [00:10:16] <uncertainty> lol [00:10:19] <elektronkind> geez [00:10:33] <jmcp> this was years ago, just after they'd come out [00:10:35] <sommerfeld> jmcp: centerplane replacement? [00:10:40] <elektronkind> I've completely stripped a 6500 before to replace the midplane... that was hellish enough for me [00:10:41] <jmcp> sommerfeld: nah ... training :) [00:10:54] <jmcp> customers were coming in to see the systems down @ north sydney [00:11:29] <jmcp> so we had to dis- and re-assemble the box before they came along :) [00:11:38] <sommerfeld> with no leftover parts? [00:11:55] <Plaidrab> *sigh* I miss getting training [00:12:33] <Odin-LAP> Is it just me, or is this channel filled with past, present, and wish-to-be-future employees of Sun? [00:12:37] <Odin-LAP> :p [00:12:41] <Plaidrab> <- Past. [00:13:01] <elektronkind> my wife might get a job in the denver area. I wonder what it would take to land a storage-related job at Sun's broomfiled office. [00:13:06] <sommerfeld> <- present [00:13:09] <myrkraverk> Odin-LAP: all 3 I think [00:13:15] <Plaidrab> I'd like to again, though some of the changes I have heard about how things go, i'm thinking no. [00:13:20] <Odin-LAP> myrkraverk: Yes, hence the "and". ;) [00:13:35] <elektronkind> <-- hopeful future. maybe. some day. perhaps. [00:13:36] <jmcp> Odin-LAP: yes [00:13:57] <Plaidrab> For example. I used to be part of one of two ~20 man teams that did internal support for the SCA campus. On site. [00:14:22] <Plaidrab> I'm told that doesn't happen any more. Support is out of Broomfield or somesuch. Bleah. [00:15:14] <Plaidrab> It was a great campus. I miss having a door. [00:15:25] <sommerfeld> on-site support got cut to pieces during the various stages of layoffs. [00:16:24] <Plaidrab> Well, Gonna reboot before I get all depressed and go play in traffic. :) [00:16:39] <alanc> Plaidrab: try Bangalore, not Broomfield [00:16:51] * Odin-LAP suggests IWW membership and global revolution, so there'll be no more layoffs? [00:17:10] <Chile`> the upgrade path between ON releases is pretty smooth, right? [00:17:11] <Plaidrab> How can you check that noisey fan from Bangalore? [00:17:13] <jmcp> Odin-LAP: faint hope [00:17:32] <jmcp> Plaidrab: there's no problem there ... you must be mistaken [00:17:45] <Odin-LAP> jmcp: Sure, sure. But one can always hope, right? [00:17:51] <jmcp> of course [00:17:52] <jmcp> I sure do [00:18:36] <alanc> Plaidrab: you just ask a janitor to thump the box to see if the fan quiets down, otherwise you ship it in for repair [00:18:37] <Plaidrab> *sigh* Stoopid beancounters. They are so bad for productivity. I bet they actually track sick days now too [00:18:44] <Odin-LAP> Solidarity forever! Solidarity forever! Solidarity forever - for the union makes us strong! [00:18:51] <Plaidrab> Ship it? you could lose days of work. [00:19:00] * sommerfeld is unimpressed by the track record of socialist revolutions. mass poverty and horrid pollution. [00:19:08] <elektronkind> "Hi bangalore, we have a server that's crashing with unrecoverable dimm errors" "please to be unplugging keyboard to fix" [00:19:13] <Plaidrab> And I have 0 use for unions [00:19:30] <Odin-LAP> sommerfeld: Yeah, they're right up there, just above the U.S. track record in those things. ;) [00:19:54] <Odin-LAP> But anyway. Let's not get lost in politics. [00:20:01] <Odin-LAP> (I'd get railroaded. 8) [00:20:09] <Plaidrab> I am fairly confident we don't qualify for *mass* poverty. Excessive. But not mass. [00:20:20] <Plaidrab> :) [00:20:36] * Odin-LAP is actually reading the Communist Manifesto right now. [00:20:44] *** Plaidrab has quit IRC [00:20:45] <Error_404> I think the former record of communism is a pretty bad reference [00:20:45] * Odin-LAP is a history student, it's on the required reading list. [00:20:54] <Error_404> the russians can't get capitalism right either [00:21:00] <Error_404> or feudalism for that matter [00:21:09] <sommerfeld> Odin-LAP: Only if you're cargo. the passenger railroads aren't profitable. [00:21:09] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [00:21:14] <Odin-LAP> Error_404: Dunno. They did feudalism quite thorougly. [00:21:19] <Error_404> i don't blame communism, i blame russia [00:21:23] <elektronkind> I'm going to be on sabbatical in Dhakka and Jaipur next january. I'm trying not to get any preconvceived notions about how daily life is there. [00:22:12] <Error_404> why the manifesto? it was such a horrid book [00:22:17] <jmcp> elektronkind: Tpenta did a rotation to bangalore a few years back [00:22:22] <Error_404> Das Kapital was far more thourough [00:22:25] <Odin-LAP> sommerfeld: Eh, cheaper to ship me as cargo. Just hide it... [00:22:36] <Odin-LAP> Error_404: Kapital isn't entirely comparable. [00:22:47] <sommerfeld> Error_404: OTOH, when the experiments were tried elsewhere, similar results occurred in many of them... [00:22:48] <Odin-LAP> Kapital is far more ... academic. [00:22:55] <Error_404> no kapital was a philosophical/economic work [00:23:06] <Odin-LAP> And considerably less influential, as it happens. [00:23:15] <Error_404> the manifesto was an inflammatory pamphlet [00:23:50] <Odin-LAP> Error_404: Yes. Hence its considerably greater historical impact. I did point out that I'm a student of history, not political science or economics, right? [00:23:57] <Error_404> *nod* [00:24:02] *** Plaidrab has joined #opensolaris [00:24:18] <Odin-LAP> (Although I'm planning on doing political philosophy as well...) [00:30:55] <uncertainty> Odin-LAP: a friend of mine studies history as well... i recently had an interesting talk with him, never thought that it is that interesting... maybe my history teachers at school were just bores ^^ [00:31:09] *** alfism has quit IRC [00:31:16] <Odin-LAP> uncertainty: That's disturbingly common, I think. [00:31:38] <uncertainty> Odin-LAP: i'm afraid you're damn right :/ [00:31:54] <salmandr> yay, history! [00:31:57] <Error_404> foucalt demonstrates that philosophers can suck the life out of anything as well [00:31:58] <uncertainty> :D [00:32:03] * salmandr is also a history student [00:32:04] <Error_404> his book, "the history of sex" [00:32:08] <Error_404> ... very little sex in it [00:32:21] <Odin-LAP> Haha. :) [00:32:29] <uncertainty> more history students here? [00:32:50] <uncertainty> you didn't buy the book just because of the title, did you? ^^ [00:33:01] <jmcp> yeah, I majored in modern Australian + European and medieval European history [00:33:24] <Error_404> uncertainty: no, i bought the book because philosophy is my hobby [00:33:27] <uncertainty> mh maybe that friend of mine will work with sun servers one day, too ^^ [00:33:35] <Error_404> and i dig foucault [00:33:37] <Odin-LAP> jmcp: Really? Neat. :) [00:34:02] * Odin-LAP hasn't read enough Foucault to form an opinion, unfortunately. [00:34:09] <uncertainty> Error_404: oh okay, i'm currently reading a book from the dalai lama, which is quite nice, called the universe in a single atom [00:34:12] <Odin-LAP> What I have heard seems interesting... [00:34:22] <Error_404> uncertainty: the dali lama is not a philosopher [00:34:27] *** alfism has joined #opensolaris [00:34:36] <Plaidrab> That's in the eye of the beholder. :) [00:34:37] <uncertainty> i know [00:35:00] <uncertainty> just wanted to mention it, thought it may play in the same league ;) [00:35:58] <uncertainty> anyway, the discussion of relations between spirituality and science has at least a philosophic touch [00:37:14] <jmcp> wtf does the snv_56 installer tell me it requires nearly 40Gb for an *upgrade* install? [00:37:34] <Error_404> typo? [00:37:47] <jmcp> nope, it's adamantly refusing to let me proceed [00:38:14] <Error_404> did JDS really get *that* big? [00:38:16] <jmcp> I've got a 35Gb slice for everything, 21G used and 14G available [00:38:19] <uncertainty> maybe there's some cool new stuff in which you don't know about ;) [00:38:26] <jmcp> Error_404: I don't think it's just jds [00:38:39] <jamesd> is there a problem with the dns/server smf manifest in update 3? [00:38:41] <boyd> Morning, all [00:38:48] <jmcp> I've gone through all the packages in the 'customize software' window ... doesn't seem to add up to more than 4Gb [00:38:51] <jamesd> hi body [00:38:51] <jmcp> hi boyd [00:38:54] <jamesd> er boyd [00:39:01] <uncertainty> hi [00:39:19] <CIA-22> Dana Myers: 6407285 pcplusmp: possible leak with pci config space mapping in apic.c; 6427419 psm_common: need to clean up unused poweroff code; 6512929 psm: power button does not turn-off system after "init 0" [00:39:24] <boyd> jamesd: Is there something you're not telling me? :) [00:39:43] <Odin-LAP> boyd: Do you want there to be? [00:39:47] <jamesd> named ..runs fine, but when i clear dns/server and enable dns/server it refuses to start, nothing in dmesg or in svcs -x that is helpful [00:40:19] <jmcp> jamesd: there should be a logfile that you can find the location of with svcs -xv [00:40:32] <jamesd> svc:/network/dns/server:default (?) [00:40:32] <jamesd> State: offline since Wed Jan 24 07:33:48 2007 [00:40:32] <jamesd> Reason: Unknown. [00:40:32] <jamesd> See: http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-AR [00:40:32] <jamesd> See: named(1M) [00:40:33] <jamesd> Impact: This service is not running [00:41:05] <jmcp> See: /var/svc/log/network-dns-server:default.log [00:41:41] <boyd> Offline normally means that a dependency is not met. Try svcs -d nfs/server [00:41:45] <jamesd> [ Dec 28 20:43:22 Rereading configuration. ] [00:41:45] <jamesd> [ Jan 24 07:33:48 Enabled. ] [00:41:45] <jamesd> # [00:41:58] <jmcp> jamesd: can you start /usr/sbin/in.named by hand? [00:42:12] <jamesd> okay its keyserv that is having problems [00:43:36] <uncertainty> okay, i'll go to bed now [00:43:42] <uncertainty> good night guys [00:43:47] <boyd> Night [00:46:49] <richlowe> offline tends to give you a reason other than Unknown in such cases. [00:47:10] <axisys> how do i get into the sc if the password of admin account is lost for T2000.. no ssh access yet.. system is at remote location and not in production yet [00:49:06] <elektronkind> axisys: log in to the box and run scadm to reset the ALOM accounts passwords [00:49:29] <elektronkind> oh, no remote access [00:49:34] <elektronkind> well, you'll need it. [00:51:04] <axisys> elektronkind: no ssh access.. but one of the 10 password matched.. lucked out :-) *ufff* [00:51:54] *** EdLin has joined #opensolaris [00:52:48] <EdLin> I'm having a problem with vipw. I had a crash while editing with vipw, now I cannot use it because it claims /etc/passwd is locked... [00:53:09] *** peteh has quit IRC [00:53:22] * boyd can't remember the name of the lock file that it uses [00:53:44] <EdLin> boyd, do you have an idea what directory its in? [00:53:53] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [00:53:56] <boyd> /etc I'm pretty sure [00:54:21] <boyd> /etc/ptmp I think [00:54:43] <boyd> and stmp for shadow [00:55:46] <boyd> For future reference. You can use truss -o /tmp/truss.out vipw then read /tmp/truss.out [00:56:10] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [00:57:02] * boyd curses the jive breakage of threads again [00:57:37] <EdLin> boyd, thanksthanks [00:57:42] <EdLin> oops, just one thanks [00:57:52] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [00:58:00] *** EdLin has left #opensolaris [00:59:40] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [01:00:44] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [01:04:20] <axisys> what are the files need to changed for sol 10 to rename the host? /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname.int, /etc/nodename and one more [01:04:29] <jamesd> okay i fixed keyserv, and now all the dependencies for dns/server are online, but dns/server still won't start [01:04:32] <richlowe> /etc/inet/ipnodes [01:04:57] <axisys> thnx [01:05:06] <axisys> richlowe: thnx [01:05:09] <lloy0076> Updating my blastwave eclipse still causes my "real" Gnome to fall apart. [01:09:24] *** ibb has quit IRC [01:10:47] *** jacotton has joined #opensolaris [01:16:08] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [01:16:45] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [01:18:19] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:20:14] *** Plaidrab has quit IRC [01:23:31] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [01:26:47] *** nostoi has quit IRC [01:30:38] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [01:38:05] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [01:41:50] *** hile_ has quit IRC [01:51:05] *** Qapf has quit IRC [01:51:05] *** comay has joined #opensolaris [01:53:18] *** kimc has quit IRC [01:56:37] *** rockpool has joined #opensolaris [02:00:01] *** peteh has quit IRC [02:00:37] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [02:01:30] *** yydzero has joined #opensolaris [02:03:33] *** jesse-jads has joined #opensolaris [02:03:56] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [02:03:59] <Error_404> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nad/8656898/ [02:04:16] <Error_404> tee hee... cute overload [02:06:30] <dwc-> www.cuteoverload.com? [02:06:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC [02:07:43] <Error_404> not as cute as the mouse/dog/cat tower [02:07:56] <steleman> hiya Error_404 :-) [02:08:07] <Error_404> hey steleman [02:09:48] <steleman> i uploaded all my build files in QT/skel [02:10:59] <Error_404> oh, cool [02:13:09] *** dlg has joined #opensolaris [02:18:38] <digix_> im dumbfounded... Solaris seems to just refuse to see this array [02:18:46] *** digix_ is now known as digix [02:19:30] <digix> i dumped the raid 6 and created a smaller raid 5 and still nothing [02:19:47] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [02:21:08] <digix> is there anything i might be missing here? [02:21:26] <salmandr> i've got an exacct question - i'm using flow accounting, trying to track flows by uid [02:21:38] <salmandr> but i'm getting quite a number of records with no uid attached [02:21:49] <salmandr> acctadm says untracked flow resources: none [02:21:58] <salmandr> is there any way to hunt down the source of the other flows? [02:22:05] <salmandr> this is on snv_54 btw [02:23:29] <salmandr> other flows = those with no uid [02:24:54] <digix> yeah, sorry my question seems so vague... im rather inexperienced with Solaris... im running x86 on a xeon system with an areca 1230 controller. i assume the driver for the controller works as the OS is installed on a raid 1 attached to the 1230. [02:25:32] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [02:26:10] <elektronkind> cfgadm -al [02:26:21] <elektronkind> does that show you anything aside from local disk? [02:26:56] <digix> actually, all it shows is usb related stuff [02:27:03] <elektronkind> you need to be root [02:27:04] <digix> i assume thats a bad sign [02:27:06] <digix> i am [02:27:17] <elektronkind> oh, you have ide disks then [02:27:22] <digix> sata [02:27:27] <elektronkind> same thing [02:27:30] <digix> :) [02:27:34] <dlg> elektronkind: areca controllers present scsi disks to the os [02:27:41] <elektronkind> right [02:27:48] <elektronkind> just re: his local disk [02:28:07] <elektronkind> sata drives will show up under cfgadm if they're off a controller supported by the SATA framework [02:28:25] <dlg> elektronkind: no, the areca controllers look like scsi [02:28:32] <elektronkind> otherwise, it's in IDE mode and treated as such (ie non removeable and not covered by cfgadm) [02:28:37] <dlg> the hardware eats scsi [02:28:46] <elektronkind> right, and that should show up [02:28:57] <dlg> you need the arcmsr driver loaded though [02:29:03] <elektronkind> I was just yammering about the non-acrea disks on his system [02:29:28] <digix> well, thats one aspect of this.. i have no non-areca connected disks [02:29:29] *** adp` has left #opensolaris [02:29:42] <digix> all the drives in the server are through the areca [02:29:57] <digix> ive been using format to check if it shows up [02:30:10] <elektronkind> modinfo | grep arcmsr [02:30:12] <dlg> digix: how are you in a running system then? [02:30:25] <elektronkind> booted off of CD or the network? [02:30:46] <digix> booted off DVD, used areca driver disk and installed to the raid 1 attached to the areca [02:31:28] <digix> and arcmsr is running [02:31:55] <dlg> dont need to run disks or something? [02:31:58] * elektronkind has his (very negative) opinions about raid controller cards used just for mirroring or striping, but will withhold his rancor for the benefit of the channel. [02:32:14] <elektronkind> digix: run 'devfsadm -v' [02:32:47] <dlg> elektronkind: this problem would still be happening if he had installed onto a raid 5 or 6 volume on the arc [02:33:00] *** _schily__ has joined #opensolaris [02:33:06] <elektronkind> raid level isn't the issue [02:33:11] <digix> devfsadm gives no output [02:33:16] <elektronkind> it's the use of these kinds of cards [02:33:36] <elektronkind> hmm, then arcmsr driver ain't seeing anything, or refuses to. [02:34:13] <digix> well, im mainly using the card for the 3TB raid 6 storage volume im trying to add... the raid 1 OS drive is just a sidenote at this point [02:34:35] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [02:34:36] <digix> but i understand that i can use ZFS to get the same effect just using JBOD [02:35:29] <digix> ZFS is actually the only reason im trying to use Solaris for these servers [02:36:03] *** linma has quit IRC [02:37:23] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [02:37:48] <dlg> elektronkind: whats wrong with them? [02:40:25] *** schily___ has quit IRC [02:42:49] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC [02:43:00] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [02:45:44] *** salmandr has quit IRC [02:45:45] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [02:46:06] <kimc> LeftWing [02:46:36] <Kmays> http://www.pok3d.com/ [02:48:54] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [02:49:21] <Error_404> spam sucks [02:49:36] <steleman> kmays: lets put this in opensolaris :-D [02:49:45] * steleman ducks [02:49:51] <Kmays> ;) [02:51:09] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [02:54:25] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [02:55:22] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [02:55:53] *** jafari has joined #opensolaris [02:56:57] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [02:57:23] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:01:13] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [03:02:13] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [03:02:46] *** edwardocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [03:03:05] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all [03:03:19] *** deather has quit IRC [03:03:20] <edwardocallaghan> Why does it say "WOOO!" in the title ? [03:03:36] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:03:53] <jamesd> i think they celebrating that they got 55 out the door [03:04:28] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 55b | ON: 55" [03:04:35] <alanc> there was some chatter about needing more excitement around the time the topic was changed [03:05:05] *** hspaans has quit IRC [03:06:55] <Gman_> stevel, party poooper [03:07:12] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 55b | ON: 55 | yippee" [03:07:36] <elektronkind> /topic changes on #opensolaris should be mentioned in the weekly newsletter ;) [03:08:00] <elektronkind> "This week on tuesday the topic was actually changed on the irc channel!" [03:08:46] <elektronkind> with coverage and commentary by osnews [03:09:08] * Gman_ could think of better ways of spending his time ;) [03:09:29] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [03:09:30] <alanc> Intel deal yesterday, earnings announcement today - I think the media has better things to cover than topics [03:09:44] <alanc> though osnews barely counts and has been known to post much less [03:10:43] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [03:10:46] <alanc> "a kernel developer sneezed today and wiped his nose with a printout of GPLv3! More manufactured contrevorsy follows!" [03:11:05] * alanc is aware he came no where near spelling that right [03:11:09] <elektronkind> oh, SoTU is starting. let's see what new and exciting things are in store for us. Announcements of more science initiatives which will end up unfunded, I hope. [03:11:20] <Error_404> sotu? [03:11:23] *** brs_ is now known as brs [03:11:28] <Gman_> man, we make a profit and our stock is still down? yeesh! [03:11:30] *** rockpool has quit IRC [03:11:33] <elektronkind> state of the union address by el presidente [03:11:44] *** DivineEntity has joined #opensolaris [03:11:45] <elektronkind> Gman_: see afterhours trading. [03:11:56] <elektronkind> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SUNW [03:12:00] <Error_404> sun turned a profit?! [03:12:08] <alanc> SUNW: After Hours: 6.13 Up 0.47 (8.30%) [03:12:09] <Error_404> how long's it been, a decade? [03:12:12] <elektronkind> at close today sunw was at $5.66. It's now at $6.13 [03:12:44] <Error_404> i should damned well hope so, now that the company isn't bleeding money [03:12:47] <alanc> they announce after the main NY markets close, so official close numbers don't reflect the announcements [03:13:09] <Gman_> mmm, wait and see [03:14:12] * nachox wonders how can irc be made secure enough for ogb meetings as descripted in the constitution [03:14:16] *** Kilohertz has joined #opensolaris [03:15:07] <Error_404> private server with login [03:15:36] <Error_404> & encrypted connections [03:16:07] *** MikeE has joined #opensolaris [03:18:36] <Gman_> seems a bit pointless [03:20:05] <nachox> there has to be a way to authenticate people so that they really are who they say they are [03:20:08] <jteo> hello *. [03:21:26] <MikeE> looks like some good news for Sun today, glad to see that! [03:23:19] <Gman_> nachox, i'm worried the structure is overly complicated [03:23:58] <nachox> what are the options? [03:24:07] <Error_404> nachox: trusted PGP/GPG public key repo & keysigning? [03:24:29] <Gman_> i would imagine the ogb will just use a conference call [03:24:34] <jteo> true. [03:24:35] <Gman_> rather than irc [03:25:41] <nachox> makes more sense [03:25:52] <jbk> evening [03:26:50] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:You awake and about yet? [03:27:26] <edwardocallaghan> elektronkind:Do you like Tiesto ? [03:28:03] <jteo> "The campaign focuses in part on getting computer programmers in developing countries to contribute to the Solaris code, on the assumption that they'll get executives to buy equipment with Sun's operating system." [03:28:10] <jteo> oh i love praise. [03:28:22] <nachox> jteo: what's that? [03:28:49] <Gman_> nachox, it's generally a well written constitution [03:29:14] <jteo> nachox: some financial news piece about Sun's quarterly results. [03:29:17] <Gman_> nachox, i have issues with it being too formal but we'll see how it pans out [03:29:44] <nachox> Gman_: i like it too, i read an early draft though, i dont know how much has changed since [03:30:17] *** uncertainty_ has joined #opensolaris [03:30:32] <nachox> Gman_: i imagine there were some lawyers involved since this probably has some legal value [03:31:15] <Gman_> feels like a lot of apache in it [03:33:37] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [03:33:38] <jteo> hmm? [03:34:23] <edwardocallaghan> Does any one know a company who does hosting plans with Solaris ? [03:34:58] <edwardocallaghan> echo 'in the uk' 2>&1 [03:35:17] <Error_404> mod3 [03:35:24] <Error_404> *shrug* [03:35:49] <jbk> i thought joyent offerend something, but dunno if they have anything in the uk [03:37:42] *** uncertainty has quit IRC [03:37:52] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [03:38:05] <edwardocallaghan> mod3 looks interesting [03:39:07] <edwardocallaghan> I wonder if I should setup a biz as a student with maybe 3 or 4 T1000 servers as a host'er ? [03:39:14] <edwardocallaghan> Would make a income [03:39:18] <Error_404> yeah, why not [03:39:49] <edwardocallaghan> I wonder how abouts I could do that properly ? [03:39:56] <Error_404> assuming you don't mind burning through money for a while [03:40:17] <edwardocallaghan> I did once do my school hosting for all the GCSE students from my servers at home on Linux [03:40:40] <Error_404> eww [03:41:02] <edwardocallaghan> We all move on... ;) [03:41:25] <CIA-22> yl194034: 6505720 wrong default disk label on x86, for an audio cd; Contributed by Juergen Keil <jk at tools dot de> [03:41:54] *** Gman__ has joined #opensolaris [03:42:29] <edwardocallaghan> Well hmm, what do you think would work well as a start up ? [03:42:34] *** Gman_ has quit IRC [03:43:06] <edwardocallaghan> How much is rack space in Australia per u? [03:43:07] <Error_404> i dunno, but hosting is a cut-throat business [03:43:27] <edwardocallaghan> That's true VERY true ! [03:43:30] <Error_404> from what i've priced out all over the place, $150 - 300 per U [03:43:36] <Error_404> per month [03:43:53] <edwardocallaghan> Zones would help with costs [03:43:58] <Error_404> i think i remember a couple places as low as $125 [03:44:32] <Error_404> zones/jails/uml/etc... there's a bunch of ways hosting companies slice up servers [03:45:16] <edwardocallaghan> I wonder if it would be best to run a server in my bed room and then move to a new SPARC server in the data center ? [03:45:59] <Error_404> gack [03:46:24] <Error_404> unless your bedroom has a *really* fast pipe & power backups and the whole bit [03:46:39] <Error_404> battery backups backed up with diesel, etc [03:50:32] <edwardocallaghan> Yes it has [03:50:36] <edwardocallaghan> :D lol [03:51:10] <edwardocallaghan> Don't need that as just a startup as people will only be just starting to see the site [03:51:34] <Error_404> i think you haven't thought this plan through too well [03:51:58] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 55b | ON: 56 | woot" [03:52:28] <edwardocallaghan> Well how am I going to gain traffic without spending loads of cash and gaining nothing ? [03:52:46] <edwardocallaghan> Ah 56 is coming, when ? [03:52:58] *** rockpool has joined #opensolaris [03:53:27] <stevel> now [03:53:42] <nachox> :) [03:54:06] <Error_404> why the 'woot' in the topic [03:54:29] <stevel> (18:06:13) Gman_: stevel, party poooper [03:54:42] <stevel> cause gman said i was a party pooper for taking the last vestige of excitement out of the title [03:54:57] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 55b | ON: 56 | no woot for you" [03:55:10] *** rockpool has joined #opensolaris [03:55:31] <Error_404> heh [03:57:02] * nachox gives stevel some clown makeup [03:57:24] <Tpenta> how is your b56 build coming stevel? [03:57:53] <edwardocallaghan> So will Solaris have KDE as the default desktop now ? [03:58:06] <nachox> ... [03:58:16] <edwardocallaghan> What's happening around that ? [03:58:23] <nachox> read the osol-discuss thread [03:58:27] <Gman__> gar, fucking network. [03:58:34] <stevel> tpenta: done [03:58:38] <Error_404> edwardocallaghan: not the default [03:58:41] <Error_404> but it'll be there [03:58:44] <stevel> go ahead and put up your -nd stuff [03:58:46] <edwardocallaghan> Well I found this page http://solaris.kde.org/ [03:58:47] <Tpenta> oh, I should put the nis up [03:58:58] <alanc> edwardocallaghan: that's the KDE port to Solaris [03:59:05] <edwardocallaghan> I know [03:59:06] <alanc> nothing has changed in regards to KDE and Solaris [03:59:14] <edwardocallaghan> That I did not know exists [03:59:15] <alanc> it's not included in Solaris [03:59:26] <edwardocallaghan> I can see that [03:59:37] <nachox> Gman__: you dont have any ghost, you can use /nick Gman if you like to go back to the good ol' nick [04:00:03] <alanc> there's an opensolaris project to make it easier for OpenSolaris distros to integrate KDE, but that doesn't mean Solaris will ever ship it [04:00:04] <Error_404> it'll get it's own project page with nice pretty package files and all [04:00:05] <Kmays> alanc: nice to see Xorg 7.2 forthcoming [04:00:22] <Error_404> meh, when enough customers ask for it, i don't see why it wouldn't [04:00:23] <alanc> pulled the server-1.2 final tarball into my builds today [04:00:26] <alanc> almost there [04:00:35] <Gman__> nachox, seemingly i do ;) [04:00:42] <Gman__> nachox, i could just kill it i guess [04:00:43] <edwardocallaghan> I do like KDE [04:00:45] <alanc> Error_404: not enough customers have asked for it to make it worth the large expense [04:01:00] <edwardocallaghan> I look forward to KDE4 [04:01:11] <Error_404> hence why we're doing it as an opensol project [04:01:15] <Error_404> there will be no expense [04:01:20] <nachox> Gman__: if you want to kill them then /msg nickserv ghost Gman password [04:01:35] *** stevel has quit IRC [04:01:46] <alanc> yep, no expense as long as it stays out of Solaris [04:01:54] * nachox nods [04:02:17] <Error_404> yes, but there won't be any expense even if sun decideds to include it.... just a matter of copying it to the CD and shipping [04:02:46] <Gman__> assuming there is space in the cd [04:02:49] <nachox> mantaining two different desktops is a big big waste of resources imho [04:03:01] <Error_404> good thing nobody's paying for it then, now innit? [04:03:06] <Error_404> since we're all working for free [04:03:51] <nachox> if kde is ever shipped with solaris, then, sun will have to support it, unless stated otherwise somewhere [04:04:05] <alanc> you want to calculate the bandwidth cost of adding CD #7 to every solaris download? [04:04:18] * steleman giggles [04:04:39] <nachox> hehe [04:04:40] <Error_404> I dunno why you guys are so threatened with the project [04:04:43] <Error_404> *shrug* [04:04:52] <steleman> what is the FUD du soir ? [04:04:59] <nachox> threatened? [04:05:16] <steleman> the interned will run out of bandwith if there's a kde download in Solaris ? [04:05:20] <alanc> not threatened, just trying to make people realize there's a huge gap between an opensolaris project for KDE and seeing it ship in Solaris [04:05:21] <steleman> s/interned/internet/g [04:05:35] <Error_404> seems like everyone's threatened to me, otherwise why spread such visceral FUD? [04:05:44] <steleman> oh this means the license FUD is done with ? [04:05:49] <alanc> I'd be happy to see it ship just so the endless arguments end [04:06:06] <alanc> but I don't think the odds of it happening are high [04:06:27] <Gman__> you should all talk to steleman [04:06:34] <nachox> wheres the fud? not working for sun i recognize there are good reasons against it [04:06:49] <Gman__> he has the best opportunity of actually convincing people to add kde to solaris [04:07:10] <steleman> i tried. [04:07:14] <Gman__> :) [04:07:15] <steleman> i got the same FUD. [04:07:17] <steleman> i gave up. [04:07:18] *** peteh has quit IRC [04:07:27] <alanc> I suppose I'll be talking to steleman a lot more now that his boss is my boss [04:07:27] <Gman__> fud being? [04:07:49] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [04:07:50] <steleman> GPL, C++, bandwidth, support, OMG, etc. [04:08:09] <Auralis> if its a bandwide concern, why not drop gnome and go for xfce, its worlds smaller [04:08:54] <Error_404> Auralis: and why include both mysql and postgresql? two versions of apache? everything else that ships with JDS? [04:09:03] <nachox> C++ abi problems and support as a solaris user that appreciates backwards compatibility and stability [04:09:06] <Auralis> good question [04:09:07] <nachox> are a problem [04:09:14] <alanc> Sun processes and policies will need to evolve a lot more than they already have to get to the point where getting KDE in won't be a fight [04:09:25] <Error_404> nachox: that's why we're only delivering for studio, which has a stable C++ abi [04:09:34] <steleman> C++ abi problems fall under the C++ FUD department ;-) [04:09:40] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/sun_buys_hp/ Sun Microsystems on Thursday announced that it purchased Hewlett and Packard [04:09:48] <Auralis> the c++ problems i see as very valid, bandwide i do not, not with all the other stuff solaris is filled with [04:09:53] <alanc> mysql only ships in Solaris because the SIP software needs it - you're not actually supposed to use it for your own apps, only postgresql [04:09:56] <steleman> (as if GNU C and Studio C didnt have ABI compatibility problems) [04:10:12] <Gman__> edwardocallaghan, old story :) [04:10:23] *** yydzero has quit IRC [04:10:44] *** yydzero has joined #opensolaris [04:10:51] <Gman__> steleman, you can't even get an updated version of kde into the companion? [04:11:01] <steleman> Gman_: nope. [04:11:10] <alanc> updating the companion should be almost a no-brainer [04:11:18] <Gman__> that's what i would have though [04:11:19] <Gman__> t [04:11:20] <alanc> except for the whole outsourcing the companion sillyness [04:11:28] <nachox> steleman: that doesnt solve the problem, you're just stating another different problem [04:11:31] <steleman> not unless i stop doing busy work with PH-Pee [04:11:52] <steleman> nachox: the problem doens't exist. [04:11:53] <Gman__> that's a resourcing issue ;) [04:11:56] <alanc> oh, well, time to work on it is always a problem [04:12:05] <alanc> we understand that one well [04:12:48] <steleman> the fundamental problem is that instead of biting the bullet and bringing in all of PHP's dependencies into Solaris at once, and get it done with (which by the way would also help JDS a lot) [04:13:03] <steleman> we seem stuck with this chinese drip approach [04:13:19] <edwardocallaghan> Gman__:Hehe I found it funny [04:13:51] <alanc> so did the rest of us, back in August [04:13:52] <jteo> ... [04:14:05] <nachox> hehe [04:15:56] *** uncertainty_ has quit IRC [04:16:12] <edwardocallaghan> be back, reading The Reg [04:16:13] <Gman__> steleman, php has a pretty large dependency stack, what's the chinese drip approach - only introducing stuff that's absolutely rock solid and required first? [04:16:33] <steleman> GMan_: not really. introducing things at a glacial pace. [04:17:01] <steleman> if rock solid was the main concern, PHP wouldn't even be considered. [04:17:02] <Gman__> steleman, yeah, i suspect companion development is slightly different to jds [04:17:10] <Gman__> steleman, hawhaw ;) [04:17:24] <steleman> it's a piece of swiss cheese [04:17:27] *** excelblue has joined #opensolaris [04:17:34] <excelblue> how does opensolaris differ from regular solaris? [04:17:44] <excelblue> or is there a detailed outline of the differences? [04:17:57] <excelblue> is it just the lack of a few proprietary packages? [04:18:16] <nachox> opensolaris is just code and a community arround it, solaris is just (or will be) sun's opensolaris distribution [04:18:20] <Gman__> [though beginning to think that jds is moving a little too fast sometimes] [04:18:47] <jteo> Gman__: really? [04:18:53] <excelblue> ah... so what I'm asking is similar to: what's the difference between Linux and Fedora, right? [04:19:10] <Auralis> excelblue: essentialy, yes [04:19:16] <nachox> excelblue: something like that, yes [04:19:27] <Gman__> jteo, well, pressure to 'achieve' and put in something that might not be mature yet [04:19:47] <Gman__> for example, gdesklets, which is my personal hobby horse this week :) [04:19:48] <nachox> Gman__: vold had to die :P [04:19:59] <Gman__> nachox, heh, now *that* i didn't mind ;) [04:20:48] <jteo> Gman__: hmm. i prefer too fast as opposed to too slow. [04:22:26] <nachox> i dont... there is nothing wrong with old and mantained software [04:22:49] <trygvis> except that it's old [04:22:52] <Gman__> jteo, yeah, i can probably deal with a faster approach, so long as it's relatively stable and planned [04:25:15] *** Gman__ is now known as Gman [04:29:44] <Tpenta> encumbered-bins pushed [04:30:24] <excelblue> heh [04:30:28] * excelblue gets to downloading [04:30:29] *** excelblue has left #opensolaris [04:30:41] <Gman> Tpenta, what's the state of those, getting any smaller? [04:31:08] <Tpenta> little by littel [04:31:21] <Tpenta> not sure if it's this one or the next one that has xsvc in open [04:33:27] <jamesd> Ben Rockwood presents Real World OpenSolaris: How Joyent is putting OpenSolaris to Work -- concall starting soon -- for those in the u.s. [04:33:32] <jamesd> all-in Info: [04:33:32] <jamesd> Toll Free: 866-545-5227 [04:33:32] <jamesd> Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 [04:33:32] <jamesd> Conference: 809-64-14 [04:33:32] <alanc> Xen guys were supposed to replace xsvc [04:33:39] <alanc> jamesd: isn't that Thursday? [04:33:55] <Tpenta> jamesd is this the svosug? [04:33:55] <Gman> ooh, that's today? [04:33:56] <Gman> sweet [04:33:59] <Gman> might call into that one [04:34:06] <Tpenta> damn I have a concall in30 minutes :( [04:34:07] <jamesd> oops... bone headed me... [04:34:11] <Tpenta> migt call in in interim [04:34:20] <alanc> heh - try again in 48 hours [04:34:29] <jamesd> no one wonder the host hasn't shown up ;-) [04:34:29] <Gman> when is 'soon'? [04:34:31] <Gman> like, now? [04:34:50] <jamesd> in 48 hours... disreguard i'm a bone head!!!!! [04:34:50] <alanc> When: Thursday, Jan. 25st, 2006 [04:34:50] <alanc> Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (upstairs) [04:34:50] <alanc> What: Why Joyent doesn't fsck? [04:34:50] <alanc> Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm [04:35:11] <Tpenta> enc bins blogged [04:36:02] <Gman> doh, was half way into calling [04:36:06] * Gman kicks jamesd in the pants [04:36:20] <Error_404> how likely would it be for someone to replace the encumbered bins with something else (BSD utils maybe?) in order to make a source-only OSol distro [04:36:21] <Tpenta> gman, there should be an internal ext for that number too [04:36:51] <Tpenta> unfortunately it's not quite that simple [04:36:54] <Gman> Tpenta, i'm not on swan though [04:37:02] <Tpenta> you can't do a sun2sun? [04:37:06] <Error_404> what prevents it? [04:37:25] <Tpenta> the 2 bits that initially make it hard are libc_i18n and teh sparc disassembler [04:37:37] <Gman> Tpenta, dunno, never tried [04:37:40] <Tpenta> there are also quite a few drivers that we unfortunately do not have the rights to [04:37:52] <Error_404> so if someone were to deliver for x86 only, there would be less of a problem [04:38:00] <Tpenta> gman: x44410 [04:38:14] <Error_404> as for libc_i18n, that... would require a rewrite, wouldn't it? [04:38:19] <Gman> Tpenta, still assumes i dial into a local sun office [04:38:22] <Tpenta> clean room reqrite [04:38:31] <Gman> and i don't have a phone card to do that [04:38:34] <Error_404> drats... [04:38:35] <Tpenta> and it's not little [04:38:44] <Tpenta> there isnt a sun2sun number in NZ? [04:38:47] <Error_404> any plans on opening it in the near future that you're privy to? [04:39:09] *** hile_ has quit IRC [04:39:10] <Tpenta> the problems with it are murky and unlikely to be solved [04:39:19] <Gman> Tpenta, will check [04:39:31] <Chile`> Tpenta: is it more than just locales & wide characters? [04:39:40] <Tpenta> don't think so [04:40:12] <Error_404> well, what if one didn't want to deliver an internationalized distro? is just not having it possible to work/ [04:40:29] <Tpenta> doesnt matter, I believe libc makes a huge use of i [04:40:30] <Tpenta> t' [04:40:41] <Error_404> :-( [04:40:56] <Error_404> lame [04:42:17] <Tpenta> all of the *.[ch] adds up to about 131k lines [04:42:22] <Tpenta> doing a wc -l on them all [04:42:43] <Gman> Tpenta, after 3 mins of navigation the swan, i give up :) [04:42:50] <jamesd> why was mr. bill in the hospital? [04:42:51] <Tpenta> ?? [04:43:09] <brendang_> maybe I should turn up to SVOSUG. I've never been to SCO [04:43:13] <Tpenta> oh you mean it doesnt look likethere is one; hang on let me ask a NZ SSE [04:43:16] <brendang_> I visited MPK for the first time last week [04:43:22] <Tpenta> hello brendang [04:43:27] <brendang_> G'Day Alan [04:43:30] <Gman> Tpenta, that might be a bit easier :) [04:43:32] <Gman> hey brendang_ [04:43:39] <brendang_> Hey Gman [04:43:49] <Gman> mpk is a pretty little campus [04:43:54] <edwardocallaghan> "Quadcore CPU 4.6GHz processor or higher (For the loading of Hotmail.com)" [04:43:56] <jamesd> http://weblog.mrbill.net [04:44:37] *** Kmays has quit IRC [04:44:41] <edwardocallaghan> jamesd:Hi [04:45:43] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [04:45:44] <alanc> brendang_: you mean SCA - SCO is in Utah now [04:45:57] <brendang_> ohhh [04:46:13] <brendang_> SCA. How long does it take to drive to SCA from SFO? [04:47:15] <alanc> I'd think about an hour - maybe more during evening commute traffic [04:47:24] <alanc> never tried it myself [04:47:35] <Chile`> SCA being? [04:47:55] <alanc> the abbreviation Sun uses for the Sun Santa Clara campus [04:48:09] <alanc> not the people who dress up in medieval clothing [04:48:11] <Chile`> ah. bit over an hour depending on how fast you drive [04:48:20] <Gman> sca was my first american sun campus i visited [04:48:29] <Gman> spent most of the day wandering around saying 'holy shit' [04:48:40] <alanc> the former state insane asylum [04:49:12] <alanc> which leads to no end of jokes about the inmates taking over the asylum [04:57:24] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [04:57:27] <Chile`> how long does it take for SXCR to catch up to ON, usually? [04:57:50] <Gman> couple of weeks [04:58:59] <Chile`> guess I'll take the plunge now then [04:59:40] <brendang_> if I can, I'll be at SVOSUG this week. driving in peak traffic is still someone insane, being on the wrong side of the road and all... [04:59:50] <brendang_> s/someone/somewhat [04:59:56] <Gman> 56 will have support for certain usb webcams [05:00:53] <Chile`> not too worried about webcams. [05:02:51] * nachox wants intel wireless :P [05:03:42] *** karrotx has quit IRC [05:05:54] <Chile`> how feasable is it to bike from the caltrain/amtrak station to the sun campus? [05:05:55] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [05:06:28] *** ibb has joined #opensolaris [05:07:17] <alanc> Sun campus is right by some train tracks - not sure if it's caltrain or where the nearest station is [05:09:17] <Chile`> its by the wrong set of tracks [05:10:46] <Chile`> hm. looks like a bit more than I'd want to do. [05:13:20] <ibb> can i ask, if someone understands, how is the solaris processors open source, when there is only one reference use for it; the t1000? [05:14:22] <Error_404> T1 is opensource [05:14:27] *** ibb has quit IRC [05:14:52] <Error_404> the t1000 and t2000 are built with the UltraSPARC T1 [05:14:55] <jmcp> ibb: the verilog source code is GPLd. just because there is only 1 implementation doesn't mean it isn't opensource [05:15:25] *** ibb has joined #opensolaris [05:15:40] <ibb> i did not see your answer, sorry [05:15:41] <Error_404> like linux... none's forked it yet [05:15:50] <Error_404> there is only one linux kernel [05:15:55] <jmcp> ibb: the verilog source code is GPLd. just because there is only 1 implementation doesn't mean it isn't opensource [05:16:21] *** yydzero has quit IRC [05:16:37] <ibb> no i am not sayin that, ok well i am asking, then why isnt the system developers using it? [05:16:58] <ibb> like why cant i buy the processor [05:17:12] <Error_404> you can [05:17:16] <Error_404> it's in the T1000 [05:17:25] <ibb> that is a total package system [05:17:34] <Chile`> because no one wants to put the money into setting up a production line, other than sun :) [05:17:42] *** Theoden-Nexenta has joined #opensolaris [05:17:43] *** nachox has quit IRC [05:17:43] <Chile`> and one-off chips are bloody expensive [05:18:13] <ibb> there is asus making boards for amd and intel, they would be able to create boards to suns processor ways [05:18:22] <Chile`> there's no market [05:18:26] <ibb> chips are expensive [05:18:39] <ibb> but that is why they create them in mass [05:19:09] <Error_404> because nobody wants to buy them except put together in a 1U with a support contract [05:19:14] <Chile`> if you want to convince a venture capitalist to fund a company to set up a fab plant to produce T1 chips, good luck [05:19:25] <Chile`> its a huge investment for likely not much reward [05:19:40] <Chile`> especially because its hard to image they'd offer anything Sun already isn't [05:19:57] <ibb> u are not getting me, intel does not contract out to create the chips, they do it but others can create solutions around the processor [05:20:02] <Error_404> some group wrote a single-core version to FPGA [05:20:22] <Chile`> that's pretty cool [05:20:35] <edwardocallaghan> TI make the SPARC chips are far as I am aware [05:20:38] <Error_404> and i heard something about amd wanting to have a common-socket for it & opteron & power6 [05:20:53] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [05:21:04] <ibb> ok, power 6 is going to use the same motherboard that is used by the amds [05:21:31] <Error_404> and ultrasparc if Sun didn't piss AMD off too much the other day [05:21:38] <Error_404> but no, wait [05:21:41] <Error_404> not the same motherboard [05:21:45] <Error_404> just the same socket [05:21:55] <Error_404> the chipset will almost certainly need to be different [05:21:58] <ibb> wait, what about the socket? [05:22:07] <ibb> what socket is sun using? [05:22:32] <jmcp> not an intel- or amd- style socket [05:23:21] <ibb> i saw the ackward looking pins arrangements but i thought it was said it will fit a amd motherboard [05:23:28] <jmcp> not yet it won't [05:23:36] <jmcp> you'll need to get the high-precision angle-grinder [05:23:47] <ibb> lol [05:23:59] <ibb> expensive chip, remember? [05:24:04] <jmcp> duh! [05:24:05] <ibb> no grinder for me [05:24:34] *** jafari has quit IRC [05:24:43] <jbk> i didn't think the chip was actually removable (easily) from the mb [05:24:49] <Error_404> regardless, you can pick up a system with a t1 in it for less than $2000 [05:24:57] <ibb> but what overall i am refering to is that i know of no manufacturer beside sun to build around the open chipset [05:25:00] <Error_404> well, okay maybe less than $3000 [05:25:07] <jmcp> ibb: so what is your point? [05:25:20] <Error_404> ibb: anyone that wants to can build around it... it's just too expensive for anyone to care [05:25:31] <ibb> how can i build my own solution around the opensourced chip?? [05:25:39] <Error_404> buy a chip fab [05:25:44] <Error_404> hire some motherboard engineers [05:25:47] <Chile`> ibb: find a vc that loves you [05:25:52] <jmcp> ibb: spend a few *billion* to buy a fab [05:25:52] <Error_404> and build it [05:25:57] <jmcp> ibb: why do you want to? [05:26:06] <Chile`> jmcp: you could probably rent one for something in the millions. [05:26:07] <ibb> it is an amazing chip [05:26:08] <Chile`> but again [05:26:08] <Error_404> it's cheaper just to use sun's fabs [05:26:13] <jmcp> Chile`: ... per hour :) [05:26:30] <Error_404> you could spend a few billion, or you can spend $3000 [05:26:31] <jmcp> ibb: yeah, given what you've just seen in the channel, *why* do you want to do it yourself? [05:27:35] <ibb> because i can see these chips having the capabilities to fit in most of the smaller computers of today making it better for entertainment and computing, and games [05:27:56] <lloy0076> Anyone know of any simple to follow tutorials on how to use a JDBC driver in the Sun application server? [05:27:58] <Error_404> not games [05:28:08] <Error_404> no floating point unit [05:28:09] <MikeE> definately not games... [05:28:11] <Chile`> ibb: its not worth it. intel has a cheaper fab process [05:28:13] <Error_404> well, okay... it has one... [05:28:16] <Error_404> _ONE_ [05:28:30] <Chile`> ibb: smaller computers don't need the same types of things that servers do [05:28:40] <ibb> i am talking in the way of processing power, no fab consideration [05:28:52] <Error_404> it's got good I/O [05:28:58] <Error_404> but processing power? meh [05:29:03] <ibb> pcs are in that range of use more often now [05:29:06] <Error_404> that's not why it was built [05:29:34] <dwc-> Chile`: where are you coming from? if you take light rail up first street it's a short bike ride [05:29:35] <ibb> Error_404: what is its purpose then [05:29:47] <Error_404> ibb: massive throughput & paralellization [05:29:56] <Chile`> ibb: if you notice, none of sun's desktop machines use T1 [05:30:02] <Error_404> and ultra low power consumption [05:30:05] <Chile`> ibb: there's a reason for that :) [05:30:08] <ibb> well yes, it has 8 cores with 4 threats each [05:30:14] <lloy0076> @!@!#@! [05:30:22] <lloy0076> Just after I ask, I stumble across http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3659/6n5s6m5bl?a=view [05:30:27] <Error_404> because electricity is expensive when you have to power a few racks of computers [05:30:50] <lloy0076> Error_404: Electricity isn't expensive if your parents pay for it for you :P [05:31:08] <ibb> yes, that is true, its also expensive when you need lots of editing and 3d compilations [05:31:23] <Error_404> which T1 is no good at [05:31:30] <Chile`> ibb: buy a bloody SGI then [05:31:33] <Error_404> but nice try [05:31:47] <ibb> i got the wrong impression then [05:32:02] <Error_404> it only has a single floating point unit [05:32:05] <dlg> hahaha [05:32:14] <Chile`> ibb: do you understand the difference between integer & floating point computation? [05:32:15] * dlg roffle [05:32:18] <dlg> so much newb here [05:32:22] <lloy0076> Chile`: Are SGIs the vampires of the computing industry? [05:32:29] <Chile`> lloy0076: sure :p [05:32:30] <ibb> Chile`: i sure hope so [05:32:32] <Error_404> dlg: ? [05:32:59] * lloy0076 goes back to reading about JDBC and application servers [05:33:03] <dlg> either i laugh or i get really really depressed [05:33:22] <Error_404> because? [05:34:56] <edwardocallaghan> A Rock based SPARC Desktop would be good though ! [05:35:07] <edwardocallaghan> If they can get the dam chip out sooner [05:35:17] <ibb> now i have to wait till 08 [05:35:26] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: chips are complex, and Rock has some *really* funky features [05:35:29] <ibb> for the 16core intel on ddr3 [05:35:42] <jmcp> which have taken ages to get out of SunLabs and into silicon v1, let alone productized [05:36:19] <ibb> i heard rock will have 16 cores at 4 threads each [05:36:58] <jbk> ibb: probably better to go browse the register for the specs [05:37:13] <lloy0076> Is it possible that Solaris' memory use on an Intel D945 vs an AMD X2 3800+ might be slightly different given exactly the same set of running processes doing effectively the same thing? [05:37:20] <ibb> u mean theregister.co.uk? [05:37:24] <jbk> yes [05:37:25] <lloy0076> My Solaris box here at work seems to use more memory than the one at my house. [05:38:12] <jbk> lloy0076: and what are you basing that off of? [05:39:07] <edwardocallaghan> I am loving my new Sun Blade 2000 [05:39:20] <edwardocallaghan> I got it for so cheap ! [05:39:28] <ibb> what does it have? [05:39:33] <lloy0076> jbk: Nothing terribly scientific, however I've consistently noted that the Gnome memory usage meter is higher at work than at home even though during work times I essentially do the same thing with the same number of processes running. [05:39:50] <alanc> are they both running 64-bit? [05:40:09] <alanc> 32-bit vs. 64-bit definitely makes a memory usage difference [05:40:17] <lloy0076> Stupid question: how do you tell? [05:40:23] <alanc> isainfo -kv [05:40:24] <jmcp> lloy0076: psrinfo -v on both [05:40:32] <jmcp> duh [05:40:35] <jmcp> alanc had it correct [05:40:47] *** jamesd has quit IRC [05:40:50] * jmcp is shooting from the hip today [05:40:55] <alanc> psrinfo -v is for speed/type of cpu [05:40:58] <edwardocallaghan> ibb:Two 1GHz UltraSPARC III+Cu , 2GB RAM and two 73GB 10k rpm SCSI disks [05:41:07] <alanc> and number of cpus/core [05:41:08] <alanc> s [05:41:16] <ibb> edwardocallaghan: that sounds way nice [05:41:30] *** awg has joined #opensolaris [05:41:31] <dlg> funny, the blades use fc [05:41:38] <dlg> strange blade you have [05:41:38] [05:41:53] <jbk> jmcp: i've been doing that a lot recently too :) [05:41:56] <ibb> just over $1000 dollars [05:41:57] <jmcp> dlg: why so strange? [05:41:58] <ibb> wow [05:42:05] <dlg> jmcp: im being a pedant [05:42:08] <jmcp> dlg: it's fc over copper, too [05:42:11] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [05:42:38] <edwardocallaghan> Seems to run faster then my P4 Northwood [05:42:59] <lloy0076> They both say: 64-bit amd64 kernel modules [05:43:16] <lloy0076> ...which is kind of funny because I thought Intel D945s weren't AMDs [05:43:23] <jbk> are you using zfs? [05:43:24] <jmcp> lloy0076: they aren't [05:43:31] <lloy0076> No ZFS in site. [05:43:34] <jmcp> lloy0076: Intel copied AMD's 64bit implementation [05:43:37] <lloy0076> s/site/sight/ [05:43:40] <dlg> jmcp: yeah. though the first blade [12]000 to boot openbsd booted off a sas mpt controller [05:43:48] <edwardocallaghan> ibb:Its a great platform for both learning Solaris and the SPARC ark [05:43:51] <jmcp> and since AMD was first to market with an x64, Sun named their 64bit version after them [05:44:11] <lloy0076> Fair enough. [05:44:17] <ibb> edwardocallaghan: im sure its only for the server purposes u are using it for right? [05:44:38] <dlg> i think its fair, we call 32bit x86 stuff i386, where i is for intel [05:44:40] <edwardocallaghan> No [05:44:53] <edwardocallaghan> Not at all, I am using it as a home desktop [05:44:57] <dlg> amd made the 64bit instruction set, so amd64 is a fair name [05:45:06] <Error_404> like ia32 [05:45:18] <ibb> home, desktop, i take it u dont play games [05:45:20] <Error_404> intel made the instruction set, so they get the " i " in front of it [05:45:21] <Theoden-Nexenta> SysInfo: SunOS Warlord 5.11 NexentaOS_20070105 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris B55 | CPU: Genuine Intel(R) @ 850 MHz | Mem: 251.4/255.5M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 8.90G Free: 4.70G | Procs: 83 | Uptime: 0.18, 0.16, 0.21 | Audio: ESS Maestro 3i | Video: ATI Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) @ 1024x768 (16 bpp) [05:45:30] <Theoden-Nexenta> Hey edwardocallaghan [05:45:37] <edwardocallaghan> No I hate games [05:45:47] <edwardocallaghan> Theoden-Nexenta:Hi how are you? [05:45:55] <Theoden-Nexenta> Good thx - U? [05:46:05] <Error_404> edwardocallaghan: you can run quake3 on that beast [05:46:10] <edwardocallaghan> Yea not to bad :) [05:46:14] <Error_404> (true story) [05:46:19] <dwc-> but what about xblast and netrek [05:46:21] <edwardocallaghan> Can you? [05:46:26] <Error_404> them too [05:46:27] <edwardocallaghan> What in BrandZ ? [05:46:31] <jbk> lloy0076: well if you're real curious, probably next step would be to compare the results of ::memstat [05:46:34] <Error_404> edwardocallaghan: no, quake3 is opensource [05:46:41] <lloy0076> jbk: True. [05:46:42] <edwardocallaghan> Is it ? [05:46:43] <edwardocallaghan> Oh [05:47:02] <ibb> then u can also play enemy territory, open source game [05:47:10] <dwc-> the content is? or just the engine [05:47:18] <Error_404> the engine [05:47:31] <Error_404> you can replace the content, or copy it from your regular windows q3 cd [05:47:32] <ibb> content is for ET [05:47:47] <edwardocallaghan> Maybe it would be fun to play that then on a SPARC [05:47:56] <edwardocallaghan> Its got a nice fb ! [05:48:01] <edwardocallaghan> XVR-500 [05:48:11] <edwardocallaghan> That came with that price as well [05:48:12] <ibb> try it and then tell us about it [05:48:14] <comay> edwardocallaghan: brandz is an opensolaris technology which allows you to run different os personalities in a container/zone [05:48:23] <edwardocallaghan> I know [05:48:40] <comay> oh sorry, i thought i saw a question in the scrollback [05:48:41] <edwardocallaghan> That's why I said it, read up [05:48:49] * lloy0076 faints [05:48:51] <edwardocallaghan> np [05:48:56] <lloy0076> Somehow I made this program work. [05:49:13] <jbk> lloy0076: what program? [05:49:14] <edwardocallaghan> lloy0076:slaps [05:49:42] <lloy0076> jbk: I've been fighting with a Java program which was originally "out of applicaiton server" and I'm migrating its backing classes into an app server [05:50:03] <lloy0076> jbk: And as you know, they're slightly different (i.e. working against just a "JVM" vs working inside of an "app server") [05:50:06] *** awg has quit IRC [05:50:13] <jbk> ahh.. [05:50:58] <edwardocallaghan> As I only got a shitty old PC USB kb on my SB, how can I get to the ok prompt without knowing the root password ? [05:51:01] <jbk> i haven't really done any java programming w/ app servers [05:51:18] <edwardocallaghan> I know eeprom but I don't know the password [05:51:19] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: A sledgehammer. [05:51:24] <edwardocallaghan> lol [05:51:43] <jbk> is there an obp password, or you just mean in the OS? [05:51:52] <edwardocallaghan> Just the OS [05:52:20] <edwardocallaghan> I just don't know the keys on a PC kb to send a brake [05:52:57] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: Stupid question - can it "see" the PC kb at all... [05:52:58] <Error_404> stop-a [05:53:05] <edwardocallaghan> yes [05:53:07] <Error_404> oh... not unix kb [05:53:12] <Error_404> you could use the serial port [05:53:13] <edwardocallaghan> Yes what is stop ? [05:53:19] <edwardocallaghan> I guess [05:53:26] <edwardocallaghan> That's what I was thinking [05:53:41] <jbk> might want to see if you can get a sun kbd off ebay [05:54:06] <jbk> if you were in the US, i could probably ship you one of the many old ones we'd otherwise just throw out [05:54:07] <dlg> sometimes the pause/break key works [05:54:09] <edwardocallaghan> I will but when I am in Australia [05:54:28] <dlg> you should be able to halt to ofw though [05:54:29] <edwardocallaghan> Oh yea I neaver noticed that on a PC104 [05:54:56] <edwardocallaghan> How do I init or halt if I don't know the password ? [05:55:07] <dlg> good point [05:55:22] <Error_404> yank the plug out the back [05:55:44] <edwardocallaghan> :p ... and that's you halted... ;) [05:56:05] <jbk> hmm i'm guessing removing then reinserting a usb keyboard doesn't work like on the non-usb stuff does it? [05:56:38] *** awg has joined #opensolaris [05:57:02] <edwardocallaghan> Be back, I will try some stuff [05:57:33] *** edwardocallaghan has left #opensolaris [06:02:56] *** ojpitre has joined #opensolaris [06:10:56] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [06:14:18] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [06:18:52] *** Theoden-Nexenta has left #opensolaris [06:18:59] *** laca has quit IRC [06:22:18] *** awg has quit IRC [06:23:50] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [06:28:50] *** awg has joined #opensolaris [06:35:11] <Gman> http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/osdevcon2007/fees.html [06:35:18] <Gman> ooof, pretty expensive for a community conference [06:38:17] <delewis> Gman, they are putting Roland, Martin, and Joerg in the same room with one another. [06:38:20] <delewis> priceless :-) [06:38:32] <Tpenta> and a webcam? [06:38:37] <delewis> I hope so ;-) [06:38:42] <jmcp> I'd hope for surround sound too [06:38:48] <delewis> WWIII. [06:40:34] * delewis imagines the conversation between Joerg and Jim G. regarding OpenSolaris and the GPL. [06:40:43] <Gman> delewis, haha [06:41:22] <Gman> delewis, what are they going to do with the key? :) [06:41:35] <delewis> flush it :-) [06:45:14] <Error_404> there's no vancouver OSUG [06:45:57] <Error_404> :/ [06:46:38] <Error_404> someone should start one [06:46:54] <g4lt-mordant> Error_404, we're waiting, when will you start [06:46:55] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [06:47:28] <Error_404> are any of the other regs from vancouver? [06:47:58] <ibb> i got to restart, but i will be back later [06:51:46] *** rodrick-brown has joined #opensolaris [06:56:11] *** tsoome has quit IRC [06:57:42] *** ibb has left #opensolaris [06:59:27] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [07:09:47] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [07:10:50] *** nightswim has quit IRC [07:14:31] *** nightswim has joined #opensolaris [07:17:57] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [07:24:15] <jbk> ok.. anyone aware of a bug where pkgadd depends on your umask settings being set to specific values in order to work? [07:24:29] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [07:24:52] <LeftWing> Do you mean that request scripts may require access to the package source directory (as the nobody user)? [07:25:02] <jbk> i mean [07:25:17] <jbk> if your umask is 077, any packages with a checkinstall script will fail [07:25:28] <jbk> which is probably a similar issue [07:25:35] <LeftWing> I think it's the same issue. [07:26:06] <jbk> i seem to vaguely recall something about it, but didn't see anything in the man pages, and just ran into it again today [07:26:32] <jbk> it also fails with datastream packages [07:26:51] <jbk> (same issue when it unpacks them to /var/tmp/XXXX) [07:26:56] <LeftWing> ah [07:27:24] <LeftWing> You could just pkgtrans the datastream package and make the converted directory tree world-readable... [07:27:35] <LeftWing> Or change your umask. =) [07:27:42] <jbk> but pkgtrans picks up the umask value from the shell [07:27:45] <jbk> well that's what i did [07:28:06] <jbk> but the error you get doesn't lead you 'ahh it's my umask!' [07:28:49] <LeftWing> Yeah, I know -- I wouldn't have solved it when I was installing Legato networker packages if I didn't have a reasonable handle on some of what happens during a package install. [07:32:26] * LeftWing runs away to make wiring changes in the datacentre. 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[09:32:28] <yongsun> as I know that the gnu nm -l could show the source locations of the listed symbols [09:32:37] <yongsun> if it's debugable [09:36:06] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [09:36:25] <lloy0076> heh [09:36:39] <lloy0076> I think I've managed now to make my hard disk I/O my bottleneck. [09:37:56] *** doof has joined #opensolaris [09:40:34] <Chile`> so I'm trying to install SXCR 55b on a machine with 256mb ram, and both the solaris express dev edition & solaris express boot options result in "you need a min of 768 ram" [09:41:02] <lloy0076> They won't let you go into console mode? [09:41:11] <Chile`> everything's in console mode already [09:41:14] <lloy0076> <-- has just upped his RAM to 4GB. [09:41:43] <Chile`> this is on my laptop, my desktop has 2 gigs, & the netra I put 9 on had 768. [09:42:07] <lloy0076> I seriously think Solaris on 256Mb of RAM would be quite slow if it were running X. [09:42:53] <Chile`> I've had very few problems with fbsd in the past. would there be a reason solaris would be significantly slower? [09:43:48] <lloy0076> Ok, it probably depends on one's definition of "fast". [09:43:57] <lloy0076> I'd say that FreeBSD would be "slow" on said configuration too. [09:45:53] <Chile`> I run ion3 as a wm, use vim not emacs, opera instead of ffox, mutt for email, etc, so it ends up being pretty tight [09:46:04] <Chile`> I usually don't end up with much if anything paged [09:46:31] <Chile`> or thrashed during use, rather. [09:47:19] <quasi> Chile`: you need to choose the text based install [09:47:32] <Chile`> quasi: I did. [09:47:43] <Chile`> and it was entirely text-based up until this point [09:49:13] <lloy0076> Chile`: I easily use 1.5Gib of RAM at any one time, but that's because I have Netbeans, Eclipse, Thunderbird, Firefox and Moz on Linux running all at once under Gnome. [09:49:30] <lloy0076> Chile`: Consequently anything less than 2Gib of RAM for me sends me swapping. [09:49:35] <quasi> Chile`: http://blogs.sun.com/setje/entry/post_new_boot_solaris_on [09:50:48] <Chile`> lloy0076: oh, my desktop is sitting at 1200mb of physical at this point, but I use my laptop a bit more sparingly. [09:52:06] *** jopi_ has joined #opensolaris [09:53:17] <Chile`> quasi: interesting, I didn't see that. [09:54:46] <quasi> Chile`: ymmv - the post is quite old [09:58:50] <Chile`> is there any way to just turn off the warning? with the text installer I don't think I'm going to go over [10:05:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC [10:07:19] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [10:10:03] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [10:10:05] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:06] *** yippi has quit IRC [10:10:38] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [10:10:42] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [10:12:08] <raph_ael> hello [10:14:28] <lloy0076> Hi raph_ael [10:14:47] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [10:16:15] <jteo> hello * [10:16:17] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [10:16:23] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [10:16:29] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [10:17:24] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris [10:21:03] <jteo> wb darrenm. i apologise for my confusing post on zfs-discuss. [10:23:21] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [10:28:13] <yongsun> guys, how could I tell one shared object file is debuggable? [10:29:08] <quasi> yongsun: http://blogs.sun.com/timc/entry/the_compiler_detective_what_compiler might be useful [10:30:22] <yongsun> quasi, wonderful, thank you very much! [10:31:03] <yongsun> quasi, as I know, the gnu nm(1) has an option "-l", to list the source location of each symbol, do you know how could I get such information with sunstudio? [10:31:22] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [10:33:59] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [10:34:47] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [10:38:37] <Chile`> tight. apparently the system was installed before it gave me the error messages... its working fine now [10:38:52] *** mega_ has joined #opensolaris [10:39:07] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [10:42:31] *** simford has quit IRC [10:45:50] *** thomsog has joined #opensolaris [10:46:09] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [10:47:05] *** dunc has quit IRC [10:54:40] *** mega has quit IRC [10:58:45] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [10:58:54] *** mega_ has quit IRC [11:02:05] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [11:02:34] *** peteh_ has joined #opensolaris [11:06:03] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [11:07:16] <noyb> hello [11:08:33] <noyb> brendang_: well, I've been at Sun for a year now. no regrets. lots of time with the family. [11:09:27] <noyb> g'night [11:12:37] *** bzcrib has joined #opensolaris [11:13:56] <yongsun> quasi, seems that dumpstabs and dwarfdump do not work for /usr/bin/gedit in nevada release, [11:15:19] <quasi> /usr/bin/gedit: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped, no debugging information available [11:15:59] <Vratha> hi [11:16:23] <Vratha> i know i asked this last night, but perhaps fresh blood is in here tonight. [11:16:37] <Vratha> are any of you using a VT6103 network card from VIA? [11:16:54] <yongsun> quasi, thank you, I see :) [11:16:57] <Vratha> i see drivers for VT6102, but VT6103 is not officially supported... yet anyway [11:17:12] <Vratha> vt6103 is also known as VIA Rhine-III [11:20:35] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [11:21:38] <ofu> is there a tool to spin down sata-harddisks on solaris? [11:23:12] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris [11:23:27] *** yongsun has quit IRC [11:24:33] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [11:31:21] *** warlock has joined #opensolaris [11:31:26] <warlock> hello [11:32:48] <warlock> I have a terrible question: I have a PCI SCSI adapter used on a x86 system, can I use it on my sparc???? [11:33:37] <jmcp> depends on whether there's a driver for it [11:33:46] <jmcp> if you want to *boot* from it, it'll need fcode rather than bios [11:34:16] <warlock> jmcp, but the bios is a x86 code [11:34:31] <jmcp> I don't think you quite paid attention to what I just wrote [11:34:44] <warlock> jmcp, I think that it can only crash, do't you think so? [11:34:51] <jmcp> not necessarily [11:35:12] <Stric> if there is a driver and you don't need to boot from it, it doesn't matter that the card came from the x86 world [11:35:35] <warlock> ok, I read it but where I can found fcode? and how can I upload it on the scsi firmware [11:35:38] <Stric> I use an mpt card that comes from HP/x86 [11:35:59] <Stric> warlock: I don't think you can. [11:36:14] <Stric> Do you need to boot from that card? [11:36:32] <jmcp> warlock: the hba vendor will supply it, if they're selling the card to you as a sparc-compatible card [11:37:15] <darrenm> jmcp: or maybe even a ppc mac compatible card might have fcode that makes sparc boot happy ? [11:37:36] <warlock> Stric, ok I cannot boot, it is not a problem. But to set the HW parameters, I use ASCII masks. They are coded for x86, don't you think so? [11:37:39] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [11:37:44] <jmcp> darrenm: possibly .... haven't seen many people try that. no reason that I can think of why it wouldn't work [11:39:20] <warlock> lmcp, do you think Adaptec 2940 is compatible? [11:40:38] <warlock> Stric, have you clear my bubt? [11:41:00] <warlock> Stric, my english is a little bit terrible :-( [11:41:17] <Stric> to set what hw parameters? [11:41:28] *** yippi has quit IRC [11:41:31] <jmcp> warlock: uh ... no idea [11:41:34] <jmcp> possibly [11:41:49] <jmcp> I don't know whether the aac driver supports it [11:41:53] <warlock> Stric, parity error checking.. [11:42:30] <warlock> Stric, or other.... all data that I can see on my AHA2940 [11:42:55] <Vratha> adaptec AHA2940 runs [11:43:02] <Vratha> according to the HCL at sun.com [11:43:09] <Vratha> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/views/disk_controller_all_results.mfg.page1.html [11:43:42] <Vratha> solaris needs more drivers :) [11:43:50] <Vratha> sun have any plans to get more mfg. writing some? [11:44:23] <sickness> at least more AHCI =) [11:44:38] <Vratha> more wifi :) [11:44:54] <Vratha> more LAN too... more everything would be just fine :) [11:44:55] <Stric> sickness: "more" AHCI? Why should there be more than 1? [11:44:57] <lasseoe> wifi? blah [11:45:04] <Vratha> yeah, wifi [11:45:08] <Vratha> it's convenient [11:45:17] * lasseoe shrugs [11:45:20] <lasseoe> it's a pure server OS forme [11:45:21] <lasseoe> for me [11:45:28] <warlock> Vratha, ok it means that solaris has the driver. But what about scsi-bios? [11:45:40] <Vratha> lasseoe: even servers can use wifi to do WAP [11:45:44] <sickness> Stric: like "all the ahci controllers supported" :P [11:45:52] <Vratha> warlock: i don't know; use google [11:46:15] <Stric> sickness: doesn't that mean that the AHCI standard failed if you need to do more than "support AHCI" to get every AHCI card working? [11:46:25] <warlock> Vratha, I ave already used google, I am here because google don't help me [11:46:26] <lasseoe> Vratha: I fail to see how WiFi and WAP have anything to do with eachother [11:46:48] <Vratha> ... [11:47:16] <sickness> Stric: just in case, you know how this dirt cheap x86 things work in the end... [11:47:25] <sickness> it's everytime the same story... ;) [11:47:34] <sickness> like "the rule is the exception" :P [11:47:44] <Stric> sickness: I do know.. and OHCI/UHCI/EHCI (usb) has worked pretty well in my opinion.. [11:47:57] <Vratha> lasseoe: if your server doesn't have wifi support, how can you turn it into a WAP if you wanted? [11:48:22] <sickness> Stric: yeah, but anyway, I still have to do a damn cfgadm and see the damn sata drives listed :( [11:48:29] <Stric> TLA overflow.. I think Vratha means Wireless Access Point.. whereas there are other WAP's too [11:48:35] <sickness> when I'll see that, I'll be happy and surprised :P [11:48:38] <lasseoe> Vratha:ahh Access, Access Point, AP [11:48:42] <Vratha> oh, there are other WAPs? [11:48:47] <lasseoe> Stric: yes just realised that [11:48:50] <Vratha> i didn't know that; sorry for the ambiguity [11:48:50] *** warlock has left #opensolaris [11:49:05] <Stric> There's the WAP thing in mobile phones for instance [11:49:18] <lasseoe> that's what I thought he meant [11:49:21] <Vratha> what does it stand for in that case? [11:49:32] <Vratha> heh, yeah, i can see how i confused you [11:49:34] <Vratha> sorry [11:49:43] <Stric> wireless application protocol or somesuch [11:49:43] *** CapRiCoRN^80 has joined #opensolaris [11:49:52] <Stric> haven't seen an AP be named WAP before.. [11:49:57] <CapRiCoRN^80> hi [11:49:58] <lasseoe> Vratha: Wireless Application protocol [11:50:03] <CapRiCoRN^80> from where i can download HDF4 , JASPER ? [11:50:12] <Stric> HDFwhat? [11:50:18] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [11:50:19] <Vratha> ah ok [11:51:30] <CapRiCoRN^80> i build gdal and after its configure i got option that its configure with n without some softwares [11:51:47] <CapRiCoRN^80> n it got HDF4 N 5 , jasper names there [11:52:34] <Stric> Google might know (there are probably more than one thing called jasper, so it helps to know what type of software you're looking for) [11:53:17] <CapRiCoRN^80> i tried but no result [11:53:30] <lasseoe> Improve your Google-fu :) [11:54:03] <CapRiCoRN^80> u tried that . let see if u get it or not [11:54:20] <lasseoe> I barely understand what it is you want :) [11:54:36] <CapRiCoRN^80> i told u from where i get this name [11:55:32] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: actually, you haven't provided anywhere near enough information [11:55:43] *** halton has quit IRC [11:56:51] <CapRiCoRN^80> jmcp: u r right [11:57:11] <CapRiCoRN^80> but i told u wat ever i know n wat ever i got after configure [11:58:03] <jmcp> let's see now. you entered the room, talked about "gdal" ... wtf is "gdal" ?? [11:58:38] <LeftWing> Well, Y & L aren't close together so it can't be a greeting. [11:58:38] * lasseoe gets some popcorn and watches at a safe distance :-) [12:00:35] <Cyrille> it might help if you stopped talking in aolese too. [12:01:03] *** gallium has joined #opensolaris [12:02:16] <lasseoe> Cyrille :) [12:03:39] <Cyrille> I mean "but i told u wat ever i know n wat ever i got after configure"?!? wld u lk i 2 txt u bk teh info? [12:03:53] <lplatypus> I might hazard a guess that gdal is "Geospatial Data Abstraction Library" http://www.gdal.org/ [12:04:02] <CapRiCoRN^80> eys [12:04:03] <CapRiCoRN^80> yes [12:04:29] <jmcp> lplatypus: nice work on decoding CapRiCoRN^80 [12:04:44] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: so why do you think that people here might have any idea wtf you're complaining about? [12:04:48] <jteo> jmcp: it's an artform [12:04:53] <jmcp> jteo: so I see [12:04:54] <CapRiCoRN^80> sorry [12:05:13] <lplatypus> are you trying to compile gdal from source on solaris, and configure gave you an error message? [12:05:14] <Cyrille> http://www.remotesensing.org/gdal/gdal_building.html [12:05:18] <Cyrille> wouldn't that help? [12:05:25] *** jopi_ is now known as jopi [12:05:38] <LeftWing> It might help to find a GDAL related channel, also. [12:05:40] <CapRiCoRN^80> yes [12:05:51] <Cyrille> because that's google:///gdal+hdf+jasper first hit... [12:06:00] <lplatypus> or even http://www.gdal.org/gdal_building.html [12:06:15] <jmcp> lplatypus: so why is my CF hovering close to 0 for this? [12:06:18] <CapRiCoRN^80> wat is pastebin address ? [12:06:33] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: pastebin.ca or rafb.net/paste [12:06:37] <Vratha> oh hell yes! Queen is available on emusic.com [12:06:40] <Vratha> unf [12:06:55] <Vratha> sorry, that was off-topic [12:07:17] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: did you bother to read the http://www.gdal.org/gdal_building.html url *at all* ?? [12:07:29] *** compukid has quit IRC [12:07:30] <Tpenta> jmcp: did you get 56 running? [12:07:40] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: I assume not, because if you had you would have seen the "External Libraries" section which *answers your questions* [12:07:41] <Cyrille> interestingly, pastebins' addresses are identical to what they were yesterday when we asked you for a configure log... [12:08:02] <jmcp> Tpenta: yeah ... but I also upgrade my punchin client and now I can't connect to sydney or singapore [12:08:05] <jmcp> Tpenta: I can connect to SCA though [12:08:14] <Tpenta> i got prompted with some language kind of thing [12:08:15] <LeftWing> Vratha: This emusic.com ... is it DRMified? [12:08:22] <Vratha> LeftWing: nope! [12:08:25] <Vratha> it's all mp3s [12:08:27] <Tpenta> then it didnt recognise F2 so i had to use esc-2 [12:08:34] <jmcp> Tpenta: the usual story [12:08:37] <Tpenta> took a while for teh first dtlogin to come up [12:08:48] <Vratha> and i think it's entirely legal.. indy artists and artists not signed with big labels [12:08:51] <Tpenta> going to be on the call in the morning james? [12:09:11] <jmcp> Tpenta: for psarc? not bloody likely [12:09:14] <jmcp> :) [12:09:27] <Tpenta> but you have a fast track in ;-D [12:09:35] <jmcp> what time? 0500? [12:09:44] <Tpenta> yup :-D [12:10:01] <LeftWing> Jebus. [12:10:06] <jmcp> fark [12:10:09] <richlowe> damn. [12:10:12] <richlowe> stevel stomped my merge. [12:10:19] <LeftWing> Tpenta: You're some sort of early riser, then? =P [12:10:22] <Tpenta> richlowe: ? [12:10:27] <Tpenta> only on thursday mornings [12:10:34] <jmcp> LeftWing: every week, except when it's a Beijing-friendly call [12:10:47] <Gman> that's why i'll never be on an ARC [12:10:49] <Gman> it would kill me. [12:10:52] <LeftWing> heh [12:11:40] <CapRiCoRN^80> now the story is ... i m trying alot to build grass (GIS software) on solaris but it works fine until configure but i got errors in make .. n on linux i did it very easy . but on linux it do look for hdf n jasper . now i m trying again to build grass on solaris 9 and during building of gdal i thought to get hdf n jaspser as they might play some role . [12:11:42] <CapRiCoRN^80> http://pastebin.ca/326759 [12:11:55] <CapRiCoRN^80> thats y i m looking for these software [12:12:30] <Tpenta> jmcp: punchin.aus is not answering my config request [12:12:35] <Vratha> damn it you have bad phone-speak [12:12:44] <jmcp> CapRiCoRN^80: gee, you must be THICK or something ... did you not *READ* the http://www.gdal.org/gdal_building.html url *at all* ?? [12:12:51] <jmcp> Tpenta: ah, glad its not just me [12:12:52] <LeftWing> CapRiCoRN^80: Try #solaris. [12:12:53] <Gman> Tpenta, singapore and sydney have been screwy all day [12:12:57] <jmcp> phew [12:12:58] <Gman> Tpenta, along with gmp too :( [12:12:59] <jmcp> :( [12:13:03] <jmcp> any tickets logged? [12:13:04] <Gman> Tpenta, i'm on east atm [12:13:11] <Gman> didn't check [12:13:12] <jmcp> I'm on SCA [12:13:17] * Tpenta has to remember what to edit now [12:13:19] <Gman> i'm having other issues with my isp sucking too [12:13:22] <Tpenta> :-( [12:13:30] <jmcp> I'm *so* glad it's not just me [12:13:32] <Cyrille> CapRiCoRN^80: the pages we've pointed to give links for getting hdf and jasper. [12:13:35] <Gman> punchctl -P east start :) [12:13:46] <Tpenta> i was considering trying the bay [12:13:50] <Vratha> oh, ha! no wonder this is free... it's not queen [12:13:56] <jmcp> hm. must get me an OPG connection too [12:13:59] <Vratha> it's the Royal Philharmonic Symphony [12:14:00] <jmcp> ... collect the whole set [12:14:01] <LeftWing> My ISP is a bit rooted at the moment -- port 80 traffic barely gets through. All other ports are fine, too. It's weird-arse. [12:14:09] <Vratha> but it sounds good anyway, but it's done in a classical way [12:14:18] <Gman> jmcp, yeah, it's useful since you don't have to use the token card [12:14:21] <Vratha> s/but it sounds/it sounds/ [12:14:27] <Gman> but performance and stability suck from time to time [12:14:46] <jmcp> Gman: I know, the OPG ones are sorta the test points, aren't they [12:14:51] <Gman> yeah [12:15:09] <Gman> i was worried because i upgraded my punchin packages just yesterday evening, and thought they might be to blame [12:15:26] <jmcp> ditto, only I added in an upgrade to build 56 as well [12:15:33] <Tpenta> you guys must have newer versions of punchin than me; my var files have ip addresses in them [12:15:34] <jmcp> really need to log a bug or three against the upgrade installer [12:15:38] <CapRiCoRN^80> ok [12:15:43] <jmcp> Tpenta: so do mine - I'm using 1.3.3 [12:16:02] <Tpenta> if i say -p east it cant find the var file [12:16:11] <jmcp> oh [12:16:12] <jmcp> hm [12:16:14] <jmcp> dunno [12:16:20] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [12:16:21] <Gman> capital [12:16:29] <Tpenta> doesnt know -P [12:16:35] <Gman> oh, whoah [12:16:42] <jmcp> Tpenta: which v are you using? [12:16:56] <Gman> Punchin Client Version: 1.3.3 [12:17:23] <tsoome> can I use zfs file systems with lucreate command? I have an /opt on zfs ..... [12:17:39] <LeftWing> Not at this point, I believe. [12:17:48] <Tpenta> ahh i have old names [12:18:10] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [12:19:27] <Tpenta> hmmm 1.2.1 [12:19:36] *** mega has quit IRC [12:20:39] <Gman> Tpenta, tsk tsk :) [12:20:46] <Tpenta> whats the path on atlantic.east? [12:20:57] <richlowe> confidential, no doubt ;) [12:27:50] <Gman> Tpenta, if you're still looking for it, let me know [12:28:10] <Tpenta> got it, thanks james [12:28:11] <Doc> people are still using punchin? [12:28:28] <Doc> sunray@home is much nicer... :) [12:28:43] <LeftWing> I use a Sun Ray ... @ home. ;P [12:28:48] <darrenm> Doc: sunray@home doesn't work when not at home! [12:29:07] <Doc> darrenm: sure it does [12:29:08] <jteo> an intriguing observation. [12:29:32] <Doc> pall you need is internet (okm and a keyboard qnd monitor) [12:29:43] <Doc> er.. all [12:29:50] <LeftWing> darrenm: Not at home as in At Work, or On Business Trip? [12:30:02] <Doc> palm treo keyboard sux... [12:31:16] <darrenm> LeftWing: as in at any place other than a Sun office with a Sun Ray or at home with ones Sun Ray at home. [12:31:33] <LeftWing> Mmm, fair enough. SGD is pretty good for those scenarios. [12:31:34] <darrenm> ie the Sun Ray at home solution does not work while travelling away from home or office [12:31:52] <Gman> or outside ;) [12:31:55] <Doc> darrenm: the new version does to some extent [12:32:04] <Doc> just take the sunray itself with you [12:32:15] <darrenm> now once Tadpole produces a laptop based on the Sun Ray 2 (if they do) then that would be interesting - because it becomes just an issue of network access [12:32:16] <Gman> wireless sunray? :) [12:32:30] <darrenm> Gman: yes already exists even in laptop form from Tadpole [12:32:32] <Doc> althought like i said you still need keyboard/monitoe/wtc at your destination [12:32:45] <darrenm> but is based on the orginal Sun Ray not the new Sun Ray 2 systems [12:32:57] <jteo> this solution of course, presumes that pricing is not an issue. [12:33:03] <Gman> thought as much [12:34:54] <darrenm> BTW guys [12:35:13] <darrenm> #opensolaris and discussion of punchin - probably not that clever since it is a Sun only solution at present [12:35:24] <jmcp> darrenm: good point [12:35:27] * jmcp larts self [12:35:39] <jteo> ... [12:35:44] <LeftWing> What is it, anyway? [12:36:00] <Doc> ipsec [12:36:07] <LeftWing> Oh, OK. [12:36:18] <darrenm> it is an ipsec based vpn that currently only runs on Solaris [12:37:04] <Doc> what makes it sun only? sure, punchin itself is suns name for it, but its common code, no? [12:37:07] <darrenm> the main distinction is that unlike the CISCO VPN stuff it is not a bump in the stack IPsec VPN but uses the native Solaris one [12:37:35] <Doc> now the sunray with built in vpn support - thats a different story :) [12:37:49] <darrenm> Doc: punchin itself is not part of Solaris or OpenSolaris it is a lot of client and server code and confidential information about access points for SWAN all layerd ontop of IPsec [12:38:08] <darrenm> hence the nudge to not mention punchin access points here [12:38:54] * Doc mumbles something about security by obscurity and wanders off to see how his e25k domain install is going... [12:39:25] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:39:28] <jmcp> time for me to hit the hay [12:39:28] <jmcp> gnite all [12:39:33] <jteo> nights jmcp. [12:39:41] <LeftWing> Doc: Do you remember David Koch? [12:39:42] * darrenm screams security by obscurity alone is not enough, obscurity as part of a larger defence in depth strategy is okay [12:40:08] <richlowe> mornin' darrenm. [12:40:13] <darrenm> morning [12:40:30] <darrenm> richlowe: just got some better webrev comment handling for mercurial implemented [12:40:32] <richlowe> darrenm: once I've double checked this, I'm going to push the merge with onnv_57 [12:40:43] <richlowe> so please don't push that yet and make me do this for a 4th time :( [12:40:48] <darrenm> okay [12:40:51] <darrenm> still testing anyway [12:41:30] <darrenm> trying to get it to pick up comments from multiple local commits that haven't been pushed to the parent, and to indicate that there are additional uncommitted changes for the file as well [12:41:45] <richlowe> the problem with that is speed. [12:41:54] <richlowe> 'hg st -mard' or the like over a full onnv is not particularly fast. [12:42:04] <richlowe> though I guess you maybe on a decent build machine, if you are, try your desktop too, or you may never notice. :) [12:42:24] <darrenm> I have been doing this on my laptop with a slow (ie 4200rpm) disk and it is just fine [12:42:37] <richlowe> then you're faring much better than I did. :) [12:43:18] <darrenm> hg status -mard isn't quick but it seems reasonable - it is certainly faster then the equivalent for teamware which was 'putback -n | nawk' :-) [12:43:44] <richlowe> Yeah, I've only experienced the slowness of teamware on a sizable tree by description rather than directly. [12:43:51] <darrenm> granted 'hg status' is slowed than 'hg outgoing' [12:44:02] <richlowe> hg status has to walk every file and check. [12:44:07] <darrenm> glacial would be an understament! [12:44:11] <richlowe> whereas hg outgoing already knows what changed. [12:44:32] <darrenm> for the comments part I'm passing an explicit file since we build comments one file at a time [12:44:41] <darrenm> so the isn't really much of a hit [12:44:55] <richlowe> it's just the hg st bit that kills the bits I was toying with. [12:44:59] <darrenm> there is one 'hg status -mard' at the start [12:45:01] <richlowe> if I ignore uncommited changes, it runs pretty decently. [12:45:06] <richlowe> if I don't, it adds a good 5 or 6 minutes. :) [12:45:21] <darrenm> thats very slow, I'm seeing 5-6 seconds [12:45:36] <richlowe> this isn't exactly modern hardware. [12:46:00] <darrenm> with default-push on local disk it is slower that remote though I think - though not done much timing tests [12:46:23] <richlowe> I've only see that where the disk is slow, the network isn't, and both workspaces are on the same platter. [12:46:26] <richlowe> s/see/seen/ [12:47:07] <darrenm> one my laptop the active mercurial workspace is a originally a ZFS clone of the local parent which is a clone of the onnv-scm repo over ssh:// [12:47:57] <darrenm> actually no take that back the active workspace is a ZFS clone of onnv-gate with onnv-scm pulled into it [12:48:11] *** DebolazX has joined #opensolaris [12:48:18] <darrenm> and the parent is a separate clone (with subsquent pull -u) of onnv-scm [12:48:25] <darrenm> all on the one slow 4200rpm disk [12:48:58] <darrenm> on the other hand the laptop does have 2G RAM ;-) [12:52:55] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [12:57:16] *** rachel has quit IRC [12:59:15] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [13:03:17] *** Gman has quit IRC [13:08:03] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [13:09:26] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [13:11:16] *** Kilohertz has quit IRC [13:11:23] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [13:11:47] *** Gr|ffous has joined #opensolaris [13:11:59] <richlowe> Sheesh. [13:12:17] <richlowe> things work so much better when spelled correctly. [13:12:48] <richlowe> darrenm: the merge is pushing, may take a while though. [13:14:54] <darrenm> okay, I won't be pushing this stuff until later on today anyway [13:17:18] <jteo> wb Gr|ffous. [13:17:46] *** CapRiCoRN^80 has quit IRC [13:19:00] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [13:23:49] <darrenm> richlowe: can you document how do you that onnv_57 resync and made sure that only one mail message went out [13:24:26] <richlowe> darrenm: only one message went out because of the notifications adjustments to avoid the problem you and stevel had. [13:24:44] <darrenm> ah [13:24:45] <richlowe> if there were <= 10 changesets, there'd have been 10 mails. [13:24:46] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [13:24:57] <darrenm> okay [13:25:17] <darrenm> good to see it is working then - that is the first notification I've seen for a repo where someone has done a big resync [13:25:29] <darrenm> I'm getting ready to do one for zfs-crypto and loficc soon [13:25:58] <quasi> yay! [13:26:37] * quasi wonders if we get a mail flood again ;) [13:26:55] <richlowe> if everything works, no. :) [13:28:27] <jteo> just don't break the bridge. [13:30:07] <darrenm> pushing to repos hosted on opensolaris.org can't break the bridge because it has nothing to do with them [13:32:21] *** ilyxa has joined #opensolaris [13:32:28] <jteo> darrenm: my bad. [13:33:42] *** woffer has quit IRC [13:34:09] <richlowe> Yeah, breaking the bridge is all stevel's fault ;) [13:34:44] <richlowe> Well, lately it's people doing unexpected or otherwise odd things the bridge didn't account for. [13:37:17] *** ilyxa has quit IRC [13:37:44] *** ilyxa has joined #opensolaris [13:38:35] *** pogma_ is now known as pogma [13:38:55] *** Falkom has joined #opensolaris [13:38:58] <Falkom> hi all [13:39:09] <Falkom> any person use Portal Software, please? [13:40:03] *** piefra has joined #opensolaris [13:44:02] <Stric> (now you're thinking in Portals..? :) [13:44:45] <Falkom> Sun one Portal [13:48:25] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [13:52:54] *** bzcrib has quit IRC [13:54:19] *** tsoome has quit IRC [14:00:47] *** wilbury has left #opensolaris [14:01:29] *** gm152 has quit IRC [14:05:22] <sickness> again [14:05:32] <sickness> is it possible to use liveupgrade over svm mirrored root? [14:05:42] <tsoome1> it is [14:05:55] <sickness> do you have to run metaroot against the new root device? or does lucreate/luactivate take care of this? [14:06:39] <tsoome1> how about reading docs.sun.com? [14:06:58] <sickness> heh, all the info I seem to find suggests to "break" a mirror and then rebuild it! [14:06:58] <tsoome1> lucreate can use it. [14:07:02] <sickness> but what If I don't mind using more disks? :) [14:07:07] <sickness> tnx! :) [14:07:13] <sickness> I'll try in a vmware first, just in case ;P [14:07:30] <tsoome1> there is a sample of lucreate with 3 hdd's [14:07:59] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [14:09:34] <tsoome1> man lucreate is helpful as well [14:10:25] <nachox> morning everyone [14:15:49] <richlowe> the bit about mirror breaking, iirc, was the handy ability to break the mirror, upgrade half, see how everything goes, then rebuild the mirror based on the new half. [14:15:56] <richlowe> so you don't really 'waste' anything for the extra LU slice(s) [14:17:58] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [14:19:09] *** bougie has quit IRC [14:28:55] *** triplah_ has quit IRC [14:29:16] *** Falkom has quit IRC [14:32:59] <nachox> i'm guessing noone around here is famiiliar with N2L right? ( a nis to ldap migration tool) [14:35:56] <PerterB> not exactly, but there's broadly similar tools like the PADL ones that do the same thing [14:36:09] <PerterB> what's the issue? [14:38:15] <nachox> i'm looking for an easy migration path from nis to ldap for a large place, initially, the idea is that nis and ldap share the same database, and eventually migrate all the nis enabled crap to ldap [14:39:26] <nachox> i know from the blueprint that n2l can to the first part, but can it help me with the second stage? [14:39:29] <PerterB> there's a tool to re-export the LDAP directory as NIS (or is that what N2L does?) which would let you do a phased client cutover, but you'd still need to migrate all the data in one hit [14:41:13] <nachox> n2l serves as a gateway that translates nis to ldap requests, what i want to know is, will i be able to transparently switch hosts from nis to ldap using that too? [14:41:48] *** deather_ is now known as deather [14:42:00] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [14:43:05] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [14:44:33] <PerterB> I don't know, but I suspect not... For the name service stuff the OS uses, it's fairly straightforward but if your "nis enabled crap" involves applications which look up in custom NIS maps, then you'll need to make application changes [14:45:45] <nachox> most if not all the nis enabled stuff there are old aix, solaris 8 and fairly new rhel 4 workstations and servers [14:47:46] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [14:49:16] *** svoboda has quit IRC [14:49:19] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [14:51:15] *** tsoome2 has joined #opensolaris [14:54:09] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [14:56:15] *** edwardocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [14:56:22] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys [14:56:32] *** uncertainty has joined #opensolaris [14:56:54] <CIA-22> jonathan haslam: 6507659 tsc differences between CPU's give dtrace_gethrtime() serious problems [14:58:01] <edwardocallaghan> Whats new? [14:59:16] <nachox> edwardocallaghan: using irc as root is a very bad idea [14:59:42] <edwardocallaghan> I know but this network or install does not matter [15:01:57] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [15:02:10] *** gallium has quit IRC [15:03:17] *** edwardocallaghan has quit IRC [15:03:55] *** edwardocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [15:04:29] <edwardocallaghan> I am trying to remember the name of the GUI admin tool is Solaris ? [15:04:34] <twincest> smc [15:04:49] <edwardocallaghan> Thats it [15:05:01] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks [15:05:31] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [15:05:59] <edwardocallaghan> I never did get why there no menu icon for it? [15:06:04] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [15:06:14] *** AamirM has joined #opensolaris [15:06:38] <AamirM> hi! [15:07:06] <edwardocallaghan> Hi [15:09:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC [15:11:28] <jbk> hi [15:13:18] <twincest> is it safe to edit the SCCS pfile by hand to change the owner? [15:14:19] <edwardocallaghan> The XServer does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. [15:14:25] <edwardocallaghan> What does this mean ? [15:15:37] <edwardocallaghan> Be back [15:15:40] *** edwardocallaghan has left #opensolaris [15:16:18] *** tsoome2 is now known as tsoome [15:17:01] *** kisu has joined #opensolaris [15:18:52] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [15:18:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [15:24:06] *** edwardocallaghan has joined #opensolaris [15:24:18] <edwardocallaghan> Hi agine [15:25:35] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [15:26:03] *** mma1 has joined #opensolaris [15:26:17] <nachox> edwardocallaghan: that means you xserver does not implement the xrandr extention and it is a typical error you get when you use Xsun instead of Xorg [15:26:18] <mma1> hi all [15:32:18] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [15:33:01] *** AamirM has left #opensolaris [15:33:52] *** rodrick-brown has quit IRC [15:35:06] <edwardocallaghan> Oh, well how do I switch over to Xorg ? [15:35:39] <edwardocallaghan> Is it on blastware or something or do I need to install SXCR ? [15:36:09] <nachox> if youre using x86 or amd64, you can switch to xorg using kdmconfig [15:36:12] <edwardocallaghan> Problem is, it's a SPARC so about about the fb driver ? [15:36:21] <edwardocallaghan> Oh :p [15:36:31] <edwardocallaghan> I got a XVR-500 [15:37:12] <nachox> then use kdmconfig to change the resolution and restart the X server :P [15:37:17] *** darkcmd has joined #opensolaris [15:42:09] <richlowe> except on sparc his only option is Xsun. [15:42:13] <CIA-22> zk194757: 6502873 Race condition handling DKIOCEJECT when vold is running [15:42:24] <richlowe> *and* sparc, last I looked, didn't use kdmconfig. [15:43:09] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [15:43:25] *** dasein has joined #opensolaris [15:43:36] *** dasein has left #opensolaris [15:45:57] <edwardocallaghan> Why don't Sun not be so silly and just open it up and mix it in with Xorg ? [15:45:59] <nachox> yeah, i know sparc does not have, xorg,hence, "if yure using x86 or amd64..." :) what does sparc uses if it doesnt use kdmconfig? [15:47:13] <richlowe> edwardocallaghan: Xsun contains DPS, which Sun do not have rights to. Various drivers Sun does not necessarily have rights to. [15:47:26] <richlowe> sorry, "have rights to open", not "have rights to". [15:47:27] <nachox> maybe because it doesnt hold the rights to it [15:48:52] <tsoome> since Xorg does not have DPS, the DPS is no issue [15:49:03] <richlowe> tsoome: it is when it comes to "open it up and mix it in with Xorg" [15:49:04] <darkcmd> can sun remove DPS and open xsun? [15:49:41] <tsoome> open Xsun is not a point at all. porting some sparc gfx drivers is.... [15:49:46] <Auralis> Xsun is on the way out, it will be replaced with Xorg [15:50:24] <nachox> sun probably already contributed all the xsun parts they have rights to to xorg already [15:50:31] <darkcmd> so it will be just xorg? [15:50:58] <Auralis> one day yes [15:51:05] <edwardocallaghan> nachox:I hope they have scraped it for parts [15:51:44] <nachox> one X server to rule them all ;) [15:51:57] <tsoome> ;) [15:54:02] <nachox> i think martux already has xorg [15:54:59] <tsoome> btw, what drivers are actually missing? [15:55:30] <Auralis> creator, elite, expert, xvr-* [15:55:43] *** Vratha has quit IRC [15:56:12] <tsoome> isn't xvr actually some ati ... ? :) [15:56:25] <Auralis> only the 100 and 300 [15:56:35] <Auralis> the 500/600/1200 are wildcats [15:56:38] <tsoome> yes, low end ones [15:56:41] <Auralis> the 1000/4000 are majc [15:56:46] <Auralis> the 2500 is a realizm [15:57:31] <richlowe> tsoome: from what? [15:57:40] <richlowe> the Solaris gfx drivers, we only have cgsix. [15:57:48] <richlowe> Xorg I believe has a c3d driver of some nature too. [15:57:57] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roO8i6RGqLk [15:58:31] <nachox> too bad majc died :( [15:58:48] <AbeFroman> i love the related videos [15:58:52] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [15:59:24] <tsoome> hm, and it's not possible to have binary only drivers in Xorg? [15:59:30] <edwardocallaghan> So is there going to be a XVR driver any time soon ? [15:59:45] <edwardocallaghan> Not true [16:00:48] *** mma1 has quit IRC [16:03:02] *** brs has quit IRC [16:05:18] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [16:05:21] *** Griffous has joined #opensolaris [16:05:39] *** uncertainty has quit IRC [16:06:44] <edwardocallaghan> Has anyone seen these http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadroplex.html ? [16:06:59] <Auralis> yes [16:08:02] <hile_> morning Auralis [16:08:07] <Auralis> morning [16:08:57] <mrdeviant> hi hile_ [16:10:22] <hile_> morning mrdeviant [16:10:25] <hile_> what's shakin? [16:10:48] <nachox> damn aix and it's documentation... [16:11:32] <mrdeviant> not much. [16:12:01] <edwardocallaghan> :o where did 3d labs go? [16:12:23] <Auralis> 3d labs was bought by creative some time ago [16:12:26] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [16:12:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [16:12:40] <Auralis> and droped out of the high end 3d markte in th emiddle of last year [16:14:10] <edwardocallaghan> :o [16:14:26] <edwardocallaghan> They made the best hardware did they not ? [16:14:32] <Auralis> yes they did [16:14:51] <darkcmd> did they make anything for x86? [16:15:32] <Auralis> yes, all their stuff was made for x86 and as customs versions for basicaly every workstation manafucuterer, ibm, hp, sun, siemens, you name it [16:16:09] <edwardocallaghan> They why... :/ [16:16:22] <edwardocallaghan> I use to know some one who worked for 3DLabs [16:17:19] <Auralis> i don't know [16:18:44] *** Theoden-Nexenta has joined #opensolaris [16:18:59] *** ilyxa has quit IRC [16:19:15] <nachox> too bad that other than sound blaster creative did nothing good :P i'mstill insulting their cdrom drives, [16:20:55] <darkcmd> there's no x86 3d labs drivers? [16:21:21] <axisys> on this sol 8 my mountd hangs. truss shows this http://rafb.net/p/9FuSL554.html [16:21:49] <axisys> anyone would know whats going on? [16:21:57] <darkcmd> http://rafb. [16:22:01] <darkcmd> oops [16:22:38] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exaMRJZGUmo haha [16:23:22] <Auralis> darkcmd: there are windows and linux x86 drivers for 3dlabs cards [16:24:14] <darkcmd> oh, they available on their site? [16:24:35] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [16:25:02] <Auralis> how about going to look for them? [16:25:45] *** hile_ has quit IRC [16:25:52] <darkcmd> I found them, they seem to be for only commercial linux vendors [16:31:43] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [16:35:40] <axisys> sol 10 u3 introduces `Network 7 Layer cache'. Can someone explain what that means? [16:38:10] <Stric> The Network Layer 7 Cache implements an HTTP cache for Web sites, which speeds up the response time of Web servers. [16:38:13] <Stric> hm.. squid? [16:39:28] *** Theoden-Nexenta has left #opensolaris [16:39:50] <hali> it can do redirection based in http headers and stuff like that in the tcpip stack... not needing squid [16:39:55] <tsoome> well, new incarnation of NCA or whatever it was called, I think [16:40:00] *** calLNCH is now known as calumb [16:40:16] <sommerfeld> right, it's a replacement for NCA which is less invasive [16:46:33] <darrenm> complements the in kernel SSL proxy - see ksslcfg(1M) [16:47:34] <jteo> we get perfomance wins from it being in-kernel because of reduced kernel-userspace switching? [16:47:48] <darrenm> jteo: correct [16:47:52] *** salmandr has joined #opensolaris [16:49:11] <darrenm> it means you don't go from kernel to httpd realise you need to encrypt, send it down to the kernel out to the hardware crypto over the pci bus, back in from an interupt back up through the crypto framework all the way to httpd, then back down to the kernel again to send it out via ip - with a similar for the inbound case [16:50:02] <jteo> but it also means a more ugly failure model in the event of buggy code. [16:52:31] <sommerfeld> jteo: yes, but that's not a consideration to the benchmarketers... [16:53:10] <jteo> sommerfeld: ah. true. [16:53:42] <richlowe> evil for the sake of benchmarks is still, ultimately, evil. [16:55:39] <sommerfeld> Yes. About the only thing I can say is that NL7C is far less evil than NCA. [16:55:50] <sommerfeld> (NCA had an entirely separate IP and TCP implementation....) [16:56:33] <darrenm> (15:50:01) jteo: but it also means a more ugly failure model in the event of buggy code. [16:56:34] <darrenm> why ? [16:57:04] <sommerfeld> it's in the kernel [16:57:22] <sommerfeld> missteps lead to system crashes [16:57:27] <sommerfeld> as opposed to process crashes. [16:57:32] *** tsoome has quit IRC [16:57:37] <sommerfeld> if you're only concerned about availability: much longer outages [16:57:43] <darrenm> true, but you could still have a bug in the kernel [16:57:52] <nachox> all hail the microkernel approach :) [16:57:53] <darrenm> yes there is more risk because there is now more in the kernel [16:58:18] <jteo> it's a tradeoff common in engineering. ;) [16:59:14] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [16:59:20] *** LordKing has quit IRC [17:05:43] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [17:05:49] <axisys> darrenm: so how do achive hardware level encrypt? for openssh I were depending on /dev/urandom [17:06:13] <darrenm> /dev/urandom is not encryption it is use randomness [17:06:31] <darrenm> there is a whole framework in Solaris for doing crypto in software and hardware [17:06:42] <darrenm> some of it is in userland and some in kernel and the two are linked [17:06:50] <axisys> darrenm: do u have a link? [17:06:51] <darrenm> it is linked to OpenSSL and to the Java JCE as well [17:07:18] <mrdeviant> that reminds me, i need to finish the pkcs11 provider for the via padlock stuff i started a while ago. [17:07:20] <axisys> oh so since openssh uses libcrypto i am covered? [17:07:29] <mrdeviant> when your crypto is on-die and accessible from userspace, it gets really fast :) [17:08:16] <axisys> how do i impelement in on openssh or is it already impleemnted since it links to libcrypto? [17:08:27] <darrenm> Currently http://opensolaris.org/os/community/security/projects/ef/: Later today that will have migrated to http://opensolaris.org/os/project/crypto/ [17:08:34] <mrdeviant> axisys, yes and no. i've had issues getting openssh to use crypto offload on my v240 (with a crypto 500 board) b/c of padding issues. [17:08:35] <darrenm> as for OpenSSH no [17:09:15] <darrenm> OpenSSH & the SSH derived from it in Solaris does use the OpenSSL libcrypto [17:09:26] <edwardocallaghan> See you guys later [17:09:30] *** edwardocallaghan has left #opensolaris [17:09:34] <darrenm> however it does not use the OpenSSL ENGINE API which is required to get access to hardware crypto in OpenSSL [17:09:46] <darrenm> Apache mod_ssl on the other hand is OpenSSL ENGINE aware [17:10:05] *** darkcmd has quit IRC [17:10:31] <darrenm> we did try to make ssh use the OpenSSL ENGINE but the OpenSSH code that we derived from does some very nasty things with the crypto context structures for some of the ciphers which makes it unsafe over fork(2) calls [17:10:51] <darrenm> this causes problems with how things work in the crypto framework due to standards requirements from PKCS#11 [17:10:59] <richlowe> on a vaguely related note, what's the reasoning behind disabling all the openssl engines except pkcs#11? [17:11:07] <richlowe> (the padlock stuff, etc) [17:11:08] <axisys> so what would sysadmin like me to do take advantage of hardware crypto? [17:11:16] <darrenm> richlowe: thats a US export approval issue [17:11:17] <axisys> license issue may be?! [17:11:20] <richlowe> beyond that it'd be better for that to be hooked into KCF ultimately, obviously. [17:11:24] <darrenm> axisys: what application [17:11:31] <richlowe> darrenm: ah, does your SUNWcry killing help us with that as far as elfsign goes? [17:11:35] <richlowe> darrenm: or can you not say? [17:11:36] <axisys> apache and openssh mainly [17:11:40] <darrenm> the issue is that some of those engines are actually crytpo with a whole [17:12:01] <richlowe> as far as not needing to sign providers, that is. [17:12:05] <darrenm> axisys: the Apache mod_ssl that comes with Solaris uses the OpenSSL ENGINE and specifies the pkcs11 engine by default IIRC so it should just work if you have them [17:12:37] <axisys> darrenm: so i dont need any special hardware for that? [17:12:41] <darrenm> no the SUNWcry removal is about an IMPORT restiction that for countries other than the US that has since gone away (it was for France, China, Russia, and some others) [17:12:54] <richlowe> darrenm: I thought that the need to sign the providers was too. [17:12:58] <darrenm> axisys: you don't get hardware crypto acceleration if you don't have hardware crypto [17:13:02] <richlowe> to prevent 3rd party encryption plugging violating those restrictions. [17:13:09] <richlowe> but my knowledge of such things is scant, that's why I'm asking :) [17:13:21] <sommerfeld> richlowe: be thankful that your knowledge of such things is scant [17:13:29] <darrenm> the US export controls do not allow what they term "and open cryptographic interface" [17:13:43] <axisys> darrenm: so where i can get what knd of hardware crypto acceleration device out there that works w/ solaris [17:13:47] <darrenm> that is a documented API for applications and a related on that allows plugins [17:14:02] <darrenm> axisys: If you have a T1000/T2000 the UltraSPARC T1 process has that in the core [17:14:13] <darrenm> look on Sun's store for the CA-6000 card [17:14:18] <mrdeviant> so how does java get around that with JCE? if i'm not mistaken, you can plugin arbitary unsigned JCE providers into the JVM [17:14:23] <axisys> darrenm: i do have T2000 [17:14:30] <darrenm> you can also use some Broadcom cards with the 5281 chip in them [17:14:44] <ofu> 5821 [17:14:54] <darrenm> ofu yeah thats for the correction [17:14:54] <axisys> darrenm: that means apache w/ mod_ssl will just use hardware crypto by default w/o sysadmin doing anything extra [17:14:59] <Stric> axisys: you tried using it as an zfs/nfs server? [17:15:06] <darrenm> axisys: it should yes if it doesn't it is a bug [17:15:07] <andersmo> Silly US export controls. We foreign terrorists get our crypto anyway. =) [17:15:19] <darrenm> mrdeviant: JCE providers need to be signed by a cert issued by Sun [17:15:37] <Stric> <terrorist>oh no.. I'm not allowed to use that crypto.. darn.</terrorist> .. [17:15:40] * ofu hopes for hardware-assisted zfs-crypto via T1-CPUs soon [17:16:06] <axisys> Stric: zfs/nfs try to use hardware crypto? [17:16:07] <darrenm> T1 will not help you one little but with zfs-crypto because zfs-crypto isn't going to be using RSA or DSA to encrypt blocks [17:16:09] <mrdeviant> ofu, the T1 only does asymmetric crypto, which won't be too useful for zfs encryption [17:16:15] <darrenm> and the T1 only does asymmetric ops [17:16:26] <mrdeviant> has ZFS been patches to use KCF for sha-256 ? [17:16:27] <Stric> axisys: no, just wondering if T1 makes a good zfs/nfs server.. [17:16:49] <ofu> zfs/nfs server with only 4 disks? [17:16:55] <Stric> external array [17:17:10] <Stric> thinking about either a v240 or a t2000 [17:17:13] <darrenm> mrdeviant: yes but I haven't integrated the fix yet because I need to do perf testing on it again [17:17:17] <Stric> as fileserver [17:17:25] <mrdeviant> ah. great. [17:18:13] <mrdeviant> darrenm, if you've got a sec, i have a KCF provider question [17:18:14] <sommerfeld> andersmo: s/terrorist/communist/ (crypto export controls are that old!) [17:18:15] *** ilyxa has joined #opensolaris [17:18:40] <darrenm> mrdeviant: for a kcf provider question most certainly I have time! [17:19:22] <mrdeviant> ok. i'm working on a provider for the VIA c7's padlock feature. in userspace, that's easy. for KCF, i'm having a problem. [17:19:46] <darrenm> whats the problem ? [17:19:53] <richlowe> wouldn't the bigger issue be the requirement to sign them? (or did you work around that somehow?) [17:19:58] *** lopa has joined #opensolaris [17:19:58] <richlowe> since that's the whole reason I asked about that gunk :) [17:20:07] <mrdeviant> basically, in the crypto_provider_info_t, what do i set for pi_provider_handle? there's no dev_info_t, since the "device" is the cpu itself. [17:20:12] <darrenm> mrdeviant: has a cert IIRC [17:20:17] <mrdeviant> yea i do. [17:20:20] <lopa> i just installed solaris on VMware5.5.0, just for curiosity and learning [17:20:34] <lopa> uname -a: SunOS unknown 5.9 Generic_112234-05 i86pc i386 i86pc [17:20:34] <lopa> any ideas? [17:21:03] <hile_> okay, is there a question there? [17:21:08] <Cyrille> ideas on what? [17:21:09] <lopa> i just wanna ask for some good resources and please some help, maybe configuring the network [17:21:23] <sommerfeld> lopa: you're running a really old version of solaris there. [17:21:26] <lopa> im working with NAT i the VMware, i have cablemodem [17:21:32] <darrenm> mrdeviant: off the top of my head I can't answer that but let me have a look and come back to you. BTW the OpenSolaris crypto project should go live today so you can ask on the opensolaris.org alias crypto-discuss [17:21:51] <mrdeviant> thanks! i tried asking on device-driver-discuss but didn't get an answer. [17:22:12] <lopa> how to see the compatibles list? [17:22:16] <mrdeviant> and i do intend to release the AMD 8111 RNG driver. i have an issue with it where you can't modunload it or it will panic the system. once i get that fixed, i'll actually release it :) [17:22:26] <lopa> should I start by checking if my nic in the compatibles list? [17:22:58] <lopa> modprobe? [17:23:01] <lopa> or something? [17:23:05] <lopa> sommerfeld: sorry there is the version i have, and it was just for curiosity, depending in my experience it could be more serious :( [17:23:13] *** digix_ has joined #opensolaris [17:23:16] <darrenm> mrdeviant: I didn't see your posting to the driver discuss alias sorry about that [17:23:42] <mrdeviant> it was the "drivers for cpu-specific features" post about a week ago. [17:23:53] <darrenm> mrdeviant: what would be really cool is we could create a mercurial repository under the crypto project for these things for you and we can all see and help test/debug the code [17:23:58] *** digix has quit IRC [17:24:05] <mrdeviant> sure. i'm fine with that [17:24:07] <darrenm> mrdeviant: ah with a subject line like that I probably ignored it ;-) [17:24:08] <lopa> any suggestions please? [17:24:29] <darrenm> n the crypto_provider_info_t, what do i set for pi_provider_handle?: Answer NULL [17:24:51] <mrdeviant> ok fair enough. [17:25:01] <mrdeviant> i was also wondering what i would pass to add_drv to get the driver to attach [17:25:18] <lopa> sommerfeld: would I need to do alot of manual tweaking? etc [17:25:19] <darrenm> mrdeviant: I just checked the source of the ncp driver - which unforunately due do different stupid US export control issues you can't see via opensolaris.org :-( - and that is what it does. It is very similar in that respect to the VIA C3/C7 in that the crypto is the cpu [17:25:22] <lopa> what would you advise me? [17:25:48] <mrdeviant> yea, i was really hoping to look at ncp for helpful hints. [17:25:54] <mrdeviant> so ncp uses a pseudo dev ? [17:26:21] <darrenm> pi_provider_dev and pi_provider_handle are both NULL for ncp [17:26:28] <mrdeviant> k [17:26:37] <darrenm> and I'm not telling you anything you couldn't work out with access to a T1000/T2000 machine and using mdb ;-) [17:26:58] <mrdeviant> ::prov_tab has saved me many times :) [17:27:26] <darrenm> really glad to hear that the mdb modules have been useful! [17:27:47] <jteo> prov_tab? [17:28:15] <mrdeviant> jteo, the kmdb command to list all installed KCF providers [17:28:29] *** bunker_work has quit IRC [17:29:17] <lopa> ? [17:30:27] <mrdeviant> so how does ncp attach? prtconf shows it as a virtual-device, which i assume is a sun4v specific thing. [17:30:45] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [17:30:48] <darrenm> yeah ncp is a sun4v specific thing [17:30:51] *** bubbva has quit IRC [17:31:02] <darrenm> I don't think for your VIA crypto driver it would be quite the same thing [17:31:17] <mrdeviant> well, yea, that much i know. but, in general, how does a driver for cpu-specific functionality get attached? [17:31:20] <darrenm> you certainly share a lot of the same properties [17:32:04] <sommerfeld> lopa: what problem are you trying to solve? [17:32:16] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [17:32:48] <lopa> configuring the keyboard, for specials characters in the configuration process? [17:33:33] <darrenm> mrdeviant: I'm still thinking about that [17:33:43] <darrenm> let me go and find your original post to driver-discuss [17:34:04] <mrdeviant> i really appreciate your help on this. [17:34:18] <lopa> sommerfeld: im trying to change the layout of mykeyboard, i cant type | < > { }; and configure my vmware nat network [17:34:40] <darrenm> mrdeviant: and we appreciate yours in writting these drivers even more! [17:34:41] *** digix_ has quit IRC [17:34:52] *** bubbva_ has joined #opensolaris [17:34:53] *** bubbva has quit IRC [17:35:12] *** bubbva_ has quit IRC [17:35:29] <darrenm> mrdeviant: hmn 64 people looked at your posting in the forum alone and nobody answered :-( [17:35:57] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [17:36:00] <bubbva> oin #s10u4 [17:36:12] <bubbva> crap :-) [17:36:43] <lopa> sommerfeld: ? [17:36:51] *** digix has joined #opensolaris [17:36:52] <darrenm> mrdeviant: the ncp driver has do /etc/driver_aliases entries as you probably noticed: "SUNW,sun4v-ncp" and "SUNW,n2-mau" this certainly seems to be a sun4v hypervisor thingy [17:37:21] <mrdeviant> yea i saw that. i have a T2000 here that i've been using to try to decipher (pardon the pun) how ncp does it. [17:37:59] <sommerfeld> lopa: not familiar with keyboard layout issues under vmware. someone else may be able to help. [17:38:22] <mrdeviant> darrenm, sorry to cut this short, but i have to run to a meeting. i'll check the scrollback for anything. thanks again! [17:39:38] <darrenm> mrdeviant: please join and post this to crypto-discuss at opensolaris.org and someone in a US time zone might help you that way since I'm about to head home soon - if I don't see a response I'll pick this up again tommorow [17:46:44] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:46:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:47:14] <stevel> to anyone who has pulled from onnv/onnv-gate this morning: revision 3517:4a11ae0d4ad18d1e09648a53fa0e1ee3e49b52e8 is bad [17:47:29] <stevel> you'll want to rollback & revert [17:47:40] <stevel> and pick up the new one i'm about to push [17:50:05] <Stric> ok, if I have a compiled object.. (let's say it's the zfs kernel module just for funs sake) and I want to disasm a certain function, which nm says exists in the file.. [17:50:12] <darrenm> stevel: are you having to manually fix this up ? [17:50:25] <darrenm> Stric: dis(1) [17:50:36] <stevel> darrenm: yeah, i thought i had code in the bridge to handle it using 'hg backout', but it appeared to not have worked [17:50:42] <Stric> mdb zfs and then ::nm lists nothing, ::findsym says "unknown object" [17:51:05] <Stric> darrenm: ah. great. [17:51:56] <PerterB> so one should update the source tree with "hg pull" rather than "hg update"? (I naively assumed "update" coming from a CVS background) [17:52:43] <Stric> now to figure out sparc asm ;) [17:52:59] <darrenm> Stric: by a book ;-) [17:53:59] <Stric> trying to turn 'if (!zfs_flags & ZFS_DEBUG_MODIFY) return' into 'return' ;) (because the if clause is faulty and I'm not sure the fix has entered any sxcr yet) [17:55:06] *** dduvall has quit IRC [17:55:39] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris [17:55:44] <CIA-22> zk194757: 6502873 Race condition handling DKIOCEJECT when vold is running [17:56:59] *** dduvall has quit IRC [18:02:27] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris [18:02:54] <Stric> Let's say I have a /kernel/drv/fs/sparcv9/zfs file that is elfsigned (snv54) and I "accidentally" change a few bytes in it.. will solaris, 1) go down in flames 2) complain and load 3) complain and not load 4) other [18:03:25] <sommerfeld> Stric: ah, that one. fix is in 55a [18:03:55] <sommerfeld> 4) not complain and load. elfsign is only checked for crypto modules. [18:04:12] <Stric> sommerfeld: ok.. I' [18:04:13] <sommerfeld> unless your accidental change introduces a fatal bug, in which case (1) [18:04:20] <Stric> sommerfeld: ok.. I'll go ahead and do this then ;) [18:04:22] <sommerfeld> :-) [18:04:42] <Stric> I'm just gonna change a btst 0x10,%i2 to btst 0x1,%i2 [18:05:11] <Stric> because if (!variablethatcontainszero & 1) is true :) [18:07:27] *** IvanR__ has joined #opensolaris [18:07:28] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC [18:08:29] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [18:09:14] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:09:51] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC [18:10:08] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [18:17:55] *** lopa has left #opensolaris [18:19:19] *** karrotx has quit IRC [18:19:34] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [18:20:09] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:20:13] * bubbva is away: away [18:20:30] *** darkcmd has joined #opensolaris [18:22:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:23:43] *** darkcmd has left #opensolaris [18:23:51] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [18:24:08] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [18:24:40] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:25:20] *** deather has quit IRC [18:26:39] *** brs has joined #opensolaris [18:31:32] *** tsoome has quit IRC [18:33:36] <jmcp> too damned early [18:43:58] *** damienc has quit IRC [18:44:28] <LeftWing> jmcp: Yes, it is. [18:44:51] *** adp` has joined #opensolaris [18:48:15] <nachox> for me it is almost time to go home :) [18:51:33] *** peteh_ has quit IRC [18:51:56] <jbk> i wish it was.. [18:52:06] <jbk> i have our weekly staff meeting in an hour.. [18:52:20] <jbk> it's an extremely painful 2 hours of tedium [18:54:21] *** calumb has quit IRC [18:58:04] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [18:59:56] <jteo> jbk: play with your black berry. [19:00:31] <jbk> i don't have one (thank god) [19:00:41] <jbk> however, at least this time, i have an excuse to just dial in [19:00:46] <jbk> instead of being in the meeting room [19:02:52] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [19:06:22] *** nachox has left #opensolaris [19:07:02] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [19:11:14] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome [19:11:29] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [19:14:16] * bubbva is back (gone 00:54:04) [19:15:55] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [19:25:23] * Tpenta yawns [19:28:22] *** alanc has quit IRC [19:28:25] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [19:28:40] *** brs has quit IRC [19:29:21] *** alanc_ has joined #opensolaris [19:36:40] *** ilyxa has quit IRC [19:40:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [19:41:16] *** ilyxa has joined #opensolaris [19:47:49] <DerJoern> is there anywhere a sun equivalent to pkg-get from blastwave/bolt? [19:48:12] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [19:48:52] <delewis> DerJoern, no [19:49:18] <tsoome> since you can't donwload solaris pkgs, there is no need... [19:50:29] *** jacotton has quit IRC [19:50:30] <jmcp> you can download packages [19:50:55] <tsoome> yeah, pkgadd -d http://..... [19:51:00] <jmcp> tsoome: pkgadd -d url [19:51:12] <hile_> james: my machine seems to have unfucked itself [19:51:15] <DerJoern> but no dependencies, right? [19:51:22] <hile_> though, fp1 might still be bad [19:51:36] <jmcp> hile_: progress [19:51:54] <jmcp> hile_: was that the unsolicitied LOGO issue? [19:52:21] <hile_> yeah [19:52:38] <hile_> and i had LUNs "disappearing" then "reappearing" according to syslog from the fabric [19:52:45] <jmcp> ;( [19:53:12] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:53:13] <jmcp> eventually .. when the relevant patch arrives for s10, you'll be able to configure the offline timeout for fp and fcp [19:53:53] <hile_> well by the time that happens, I'll not have fucking ghetto storage [19:53:56] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:54:10] <hile_> i'll be back ina bit [19:54:19] <hile_> i need to head to the grocery store [19:54:30] <jmcp> ok [19:58:18] <elektronkind> huh [19:58:31] <elektronkind> this x4100 came from Sun with 4x1GB DIMMs [19:58:43] <richlowe> mornin' jmcp [19:58:53] <richlowe> and everyone else. [19:58:54] <elektronkind> yet the BIOS and Solaris are reporting 3584MB as the memory size. [19:59:10] [19:59:15] <elektronkind> I'm perplexed [19:59:49] <jmcp> hi richlowe [20:00:14] <jmcp> elektronkind: the bios is subtracting the first 512 because it's bios [20:01:02] <elektronkind> yeah but /why/ [20:01:09] <elektronkind> 512MB is a lot [20:01:22] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [20:01:43] <jmcp> elektronkind: "nobody will ever need more than 640Kb" either [20:02:00] <jmcp> 3.5Gb is the max that you can see in 32bit mode [20:02:10] <jmcp> and I assume you're operating in 64bit mode, right? [20:02:30] <elektronkind> yeah, it's Solaris 10 running a 64bit kernel [20:03:01] <elektronkind> [root@r25db]/>prtconf | grep Memory [20:03:01] <elektronkind> Memory size: 3584 Megabytes [20:03:01] <elektronkind> [root@r25db]/>isainfo -b [20:03:02] <elektronkind> 64 [20:03:24] <elektronkind> I'll rummage through the "optimized" BIOS settings when I get a chance [20:04:08] <sommerfeld> yah, I think it's keeping life safe for 32-bit mode [20:04:25] <quasi> elektronkind: what does echo '::memstat' |mdb -k say about the memory? [20:04:46] <sommerfeld> (i've got a 32G X4600 which reports only 31.5G available. that's even sillier) [20:04:48] <delewis> weird, you should be able to address at least a ~ 2^41 byte memory space in 64-bit mode. [20:05:03] <delewis> x86_32 has the silly kernel context at the top of the memory space. [20:05:13] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [20:05:22] <elektronkind> quasi: that reports a total of 3575 as well. [20:05:39] <sommerfeld> delewis: we're not talking about virtual space. we're talking about physical space as set up by the BIOS [20:05:42] <delewis> the AMD64 MMU has a memory hole in it, but not that big :-) [20:05:51] <delewis> sommerfeld, ah. [20:05:56] <quasi> elektronkind: I just checked an x2200 and got: Total 1046414 4087 [20:06:18] <sommerfeld> <kosh> there is a hole in your mind [20:06:23] <delewis> sommerfeld, :-) [20:06:30] <quasi> heh [20:06:42] <delewis> kosh didn't say that, though. [20:06:54] <delewis> that warrior-caste minbari on the pilot episode did [20:07:01] <sommerfeld> gah. been too long since I watched that episode... [20:07:08] <sommerfeld> it's exactly the sort of thing he would say, though. [20:07:12] <delewis> true :-) [20:07:28] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [20:07:44] <tsoome> some bad memory chips perhaps? [20:07:53] <sommerfeld> tsoome: no, not likely [20:12:11] *** rcheli has joined #opensolaris [20:12:49] <rcheli> is there a pkzip packed with solaris 10 ? [20:12:59] <rcheli> not 'zip', but 'pkzip' [20:13:14] <elektronkind> not that I'm aware of [20:13:31] <rcheli> hmm [20:14:06] <charlieS> it's a zip file format.. just use 'unzip' ? [20:14:09] <rcheli> the developers are asking me to find pkzip25 for them cuz all their scripts are using [20:14:12] <rcheli> pkzip [20:15:17] <charlieS> 'alias pkzip25 unzip' ? [20:18:22] *** axxl has quit IRC [20:21:53] <lasseoe> build your own package [20:23:35] <tsoome> developers are unable to fix scripts? [20:26:24] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [20:29:54] *** stevel has quit IRC [20:30:22] <rcheli> tsoome: yeah, developers complain they don't have time [20:30:40] <rcheli> actually, it's not bad... [20:32:26] <lasseoe> s/pkzip/zip/g ? [20:33:04] <sickness> little question, on a just installed nevada machine, there's this annoying java process up, how could I know wich service starts it? :/ [20:33:32] <lasseoe> that's webconsole I think [20:33:53] *** glagasse has quit IRC [20:35:30] *** kisu has quit IRC [20:37:52] <sickness> il already did svcadm disable wbem [20:38:28] <sickness> omg [20:38:31] <sickness> you were right, sorry :) [20:38:50] <lasseoe> :-) [20:40:29] *** dunc has quit IRC [20:41:07] <quasi> sickness: he probably just hacked into your box and checked ;) [20:43:04] <sickness> lol :P [20:43:49] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [20:43:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [20:46:12] *** gustav3d has joined #opensolaris [20:46:43] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [20:47:42] *** laca has quit IRC [20:48:08] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [20:50:43] * Stric is starting to really like dtrace :) [20:51:15] <lasseoe> haven't really had time to learn it yet [20:51:33] <lasseoe> not keen on the syntax though, but other than that it seems to be the dogs danglies :) [20:51:44] <dojtoll> Stric: Yhea, dtrace rocks. =)) [20:56:02] <sommerfeld> the syntax is driven out of the architecture. [20:56:16] <sommerfeld> large forest of probe points [20:56:36] <Stric> NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE [20:56:36] <Stric> test checksum off local [20:56:49] <Stric> and yet fletcher_2_native is called as many times as when checksum is on? [20:57:52] <Stric> no, not as many times.. a few percent less.. 58k times when writing bs=1024k count=2048 .. 42k times when it's "off" [20:58:21] <twincest> stric: possibly checksumming metadata, or files which already have checksums? [20:58:36] <Stric> twincest: I just destroyed&created the pool.. 6 disk stripe [20:58:47] <sommerfeld> I think metadata is always checksummed [20:59:03] <Stric> how much metadata does 1 file have? [20:59:20] <twincest> i imagine that depends on its size [20:59:22] <sommerfeld> and then there was that embarassing order-of-operations performance bug [20:59:25] <twincest> (allocation information and such) [20:59:36] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [20:59:37] <Stric> dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024k count=2048 [20:59:42] <sommerfeld> which you were attempting to patch around earlier [20:59:59] <Stric> that shaved off like 10-15% of fletcher calls [21:00:20] <elektronkind> Stric: it's better to use /dev/random as the source. ZFS compacts nulls or something to that effect. [21:00:27] <andersmo> my biggest peeve is having only the ternary operator for conditional execution... while surprisingly expressive, it gets ugly real quick. =) [21:00:34] <Stric> elektronkind: only with compression on [21:00:41] <elektronkind> ahright [21:00:50] <elektronkind> I guess you dont have it on [21:01:00] <Stric> checksum on: writing: 58k fletchers, reading: 41k fletchers... checksum off: writing: 42k fletchers, reading: 24k fletchers [21:01:01] <Chile`> I have e1000g and and e1000g0 nodes in /dev, but ifconfig -a only shows the loopback... is there somethong obvious I'm missing? [21:01:18] <Stric> newly created pool [21:01:27] <hali> Chile`: ifconfig e1000g0 plumb [21:01:28] <elektronkind> Chile`: ifconfig e1000g0 plumb [21:01:33] <quasi> Chile`: plumbing [21:01:52] <elektronkind> check your pipes, ma'am? [21:02:01] <Chile`> "no such interface" [21:02:39] <elektronkind> paste the command you used [21:02:58] <Chile`> character for character what you wrote. [21:03:52] <Chile`> the exact error was "ifconfig: plumb: e1000g0: no such interface" [21:05:40] <Chile`> `file /dev/e1000g0` gives "symbolic link to ../devices/pci@,0/pci8086,2448@e/pci1014,549@1:e1000g0" [21:06:26] <tsoome> hm, zfs command is not enabled with File System Management profile? [21:06:59] *** deather_ is now known as deather [21:07:49] <tsoome> ah ok, there is separate profile for that... [21:08:17] <tsoome> they should really document profiles in commands manuals... [21:09:26] <Stric> hm. lockstat says I didn't manage to get rid of those calls afterall ;) [21:09:39] <Stric> lockstat -s 5 -I sleep 30 <- very good thing with loads of output [21:10:30] <sommerfeld> andersmo: there are other ways to do that. [21:13:40] <Chile`> oh, weird. I needed to add a line to driver_aliases that listed pci8086,2551 for e1000g (the name given in prtconf -pv), even though file /dev/e1000g still shows pci8086,2448, and now it shows up in ifconfig. [21:18:11] <andersmo> http://rafb.net/p/p2pdQA69.html - this little gem, for instance. =) [21:24:44] *** Marv|LG has quit IRC [21:26:52] <sommerfeld> I think you can create an array indexed by self->sobj instead of that. [21:27:34] <sommerfeld> sobj_names[SOBJ_MUTEX] = "kernel level lock"; etc. [21:31:40] *** Marv|LG has joined #opensolaris [21:35:40] <twincest> Chile`: fyi, you usually use update_drv to edit that file [21:41:42] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [21:42:25] *** yarihm has quit IRC [21:42:36] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [21:46:12] *** nrubsig has joined #opensolaris [21:46:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [21:46:19] <nrubsig> !seen kupfer [21:46:22] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!i=kupfer@nat/sun/x-307d735aa42be95d) was last seen in #opensolaris on Thu 11 Jan 2007 00:16 GMT, saying 'later, folks.'. [21:46:31] <nrubsig> 13 days [21:46:36] <nrubsig> 13 days until hell [21:46:41] <nrubsig> crap [21:46:44] <Stric> Ok, false alarm re calling of fletcher_2_native.. was just some weird benchmarking fluctuations.. now that I replaced /kernel/drv/sparcv9/zfs instead of /kernel/fs/sparcv9/zfs, checksum isn't called when checksum is off. [21:47:33] <Stric> and it's called once for each 128k block (default everything) [21:48:20] <nrubsig> !seen alhopper [21:48:22] <Drone> AlHopper (AlHopper!n=chatzill at logical dot logical-approach.com) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 14 Jun 2006 20:17 GMT, saying 'stefanp: it's becoming an increasing issue ... some Northbridges are already dissipating 20Watts ... and rising!'. [21:48:39] <Tpenta> Al's been around, he was on teh psarc call a hour or so back [21:49:56] <nrubsig> Tpenta: right now I need someone from { April Chin, Mike Kupfer } to check what I still could do/should do. I am almost done with twaeking our integratoin tree and there is little left which I can hack. [21:50:13] <nrubsig> s/which/what/ [21:50:27] <nrubsig> except writing documentation. [21:50:31] <Tpenta> I dont see mike around internally either [21:50:41] * nrubsig crosses his eyes [21:50:44] <stevel> we were just at lunch, and he's about to go into a meeting in 10 minutes [21:50:56] <nrubsig> grumpf... ;-( [21:51:08] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [21:51:24] * nrubsig hates writing documentation and really would likel to hack more code... [21:51:25] <stevel> 'afternoon glynn [21:51:38] <Tpenta> nrubsig: there was a comment yesterday in here to the effect that you Joerg and marting shoudl share a room at the devcon, and webcam rights could be sold :-D [21:51:50] <nrubsig> Tpenta: uhm [21:51:53] <nrubsig> Tpenta: why ? [21:51:58] <richlowe> You're going to need doccumentation anyway, you may as well do it now as later. [21:51:59] <sommerfeld> nrubsig: they have other jobs besides helping you get ksh93 integrated. [21:52:00] <nrubsig> Tpenta: Do you expect the fight to the death ? [21:52:11] <Tpenta> something like that ;-) [21:52:23] <Tpenta> or perhaps watch joerg discuss gpl with jimgris [21:52:24] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I can bring a komodo dragon on demand. [21:52:24] <richlowe> or an sksh93 in C++ ;) [21:52:27] <nrubsig> a real one [21:52:32] <nrubsig> ~~60 cm length [21:52:35] <nrubsig> =:-) [21:52:36] <Gman> hey stevel [21:53:13] <nrubsig> Tpenta: Problem: I really don't care about the whole license garbage. I'd like to get stuff done. [21:53:18] <Tpenta> good morning glynn [21:53:23] <Tpenta> fairynuff [21:53:54] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I am still wondering why noone bickered about the "evil" AST/ksh93 license. [21:54:18] <Gman> hey alan [21:54:25] <nrubsig> Maybe it isn't eveil enougth. [21:54:36] <nrubsig> s/eveil/evil/ [21:56:09] <comay> nrubsig: do you plan to post a webrev soon of the proposed integration for review? [21:56:31] <nrubsig> comay: AFAIK the only one who can post a webrev is kupfer. [21:56:34] <richlowe> for what it's worth, stevel integrated a webrev that should work (somewhat) with svn into onnv-scm earlier today. [21:56:48] <richlowe> and if you use a webrev prior to dp's changes, you can fake up a wx-like active list and make it work, too. [21:56:54] <richlowe> (didn't I tell you how to do that at one point?) [21:57:09] <nrubsig> richlowe: no. [21:57:16] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [21:57:57] <nrubsig> richlowe: I am somewhat "new" to the concept of webrevs... normally opensource projects review patches (unified diffs). [21:59:00] <comay> i would definitely recommend reading jim carlson's note - organizing the webrev so things like the packaging, Makefiles, other files related to the build are clearly identified will help your reviewers [21:59:46] <Gman> nrubsig, webrev includes unified diffs [21:59:47] *** digix has quit IRC [22:03:57] <nrubsig> Gman: the "tricky" part seems to be to create a webrev where the (unmodifed) upstream sources are obmitted, e.g. a special webrev where you only see the Makefiles+changes. [22:04:12] <richlowe> Not really, you just adjust the active list. [22:04:17] <richlowe> but I think that's a bad idea. [22:04:25] <richlowe> (there's also webrev.NOT, though I believe that has issues right now) [22:07:34] <sommerfeld> that's not at all tricky in the normal case. just depends on your definition of "upstream" [22:07:41] <comay> nrubsig: many large projects organize their webrevs into chunks so the right folks can look at their chunk. A Makefile expert might not have the time to examine the ksh source code itself. [22:07:50] <comay> a recent example: http://cr.grommit.com/~nordmark/si-review54/webrev.orig/categories.html [22:09:39] <Gman> everyone should be makefile experts ;) [22:10:59] *** tsoome has quit IRC [22:11:20] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [22:11:50] <nachox> in recent nevadas vold died but volcheck still works right? [22:12:03] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [22:14:26] <comay> Gman: that's true but until then, there's meemchk(1) :-) [22:14:48] <Error_404> heh, at first glance i parsed that as meerkat(1) [22:15:37] <GoodKarma> heh [22:15:47] *** GoodKarma is now known as BadKarma [22:16:12] <doof> does it exist roadmap date for release of nevada ? [22:16:27] <nachox> nm [22:17:05] <nrubsig> doof: somewhere is a release schedule for the B[0-9]* builds... [22:17:56] <richlowe> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt [22:19:32] * nrubsig looks for Cyril to get svn.genunix.org updated. [22:20:08] *** pikapika has joined #opensolaris [22:20:11] <nrubsig> doof: see richlowe's comment [22:20:45] <pikapika> hello [22:20:59] *** andrei has joined #opensolaris [22:21:08] <doof> but the last snv download is 55. [22:21:42] <richlowe> they come from the WOS date + a little while. [22:22:01] <nrubsig> doof: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b56/ [22:23:14] <doof> i'm looking for a more recent version because solaris10 x86 work well in xen domU but not opensolaris. i would like to test with last one [22:25:56] *** ilyxa has quit IRC [22:26:11] * nrubsig curses webrev [22:26:20] * nrubsig considers to rewrite it. [22:26:35] <Gman> hrm, no opensolaris pteam again :( [22:26:50] <nrubsig> Gman: ?! [22:27:08] <Gman> there was no meeting [22:27:17] <nrubsig> Gman: why ? [22:27:21] <nrubsig> Gman: what's wrong ? [22:27:26] <Gman> no cause given - lack of agenda i suppose [22:28:08] *** compukid has joined #opensolaris [22:33:27] *** nrubsig has left #opensolaris [22:35:49] *** _jonathan has joined #opensolaris [22:36:14] *** calvinl has joined #opensolaris [22:37:54] *** calvinl has quit IRC [22:38:03] *** hspaans has joined #opensolaris [22:43:53] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris [22:45:21] *** yarihm has quit IRC [22:46:05] *** nostoi has joined #opensolaris [22:46:28] *** UnixTitan has joined #opensolaris [22:52:36] *** polk__ has quit IRC [22:52:59] *** polk_ has joined #opensolaris [22:53:16] *** _dreams_ has joined #OpenSolaris [22:53:36] <CIA-22> James D Carlson: 6516004 libdhcpagent and libdhcputil missing Makefile dependencies on libdlpi; 6516629 fix for CR 6464136 has brought CR 6193247 back to life; 6516668 dhcpagent needs a short-term fix for CR 6516663 [22:53:37] <CIA-22> Mark Johnson: 6516103 dboot putback neglected to update warlock makefiles [23:00:22] *** bunker has quit IRC [23:09:45] *** Andrew_ has quit IRC [23:13:41] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [23:16:52] *** Plouj has left #opensolaris [23:19:37] <Tpenta> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/24/BAGVANNPM11.DTL wow [23:19:51] <Tpenta> this one might hurt HP as much as teh pretexting scandal [23:20:06] <twincest> i think i've been here too long, i read that as sfbay and assumed i couldn't read it [23:21:49] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/SDNChannel/entry/startups_in_the_web_2 [23:21:52] <Gman> "In February, tune in to SDNtv for a month of content about the OpenSolaris operating system, an open-source project that already has nearly 20,000 participating members." [23:21:53] <Gman> woo! [23:23:47] *** Doc has quit IRC [23:23:51] <hspaans> wow sdntv is so 80's [23:24:32] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [23:27:19] <nachox> lol [23:27:42] <nachox> who picked the CIA-22 nick for that bot? :) [23:28:07] <sommerfeld> I liked onbot better [23:28:27] <quasi> nachox: they ran one instance for each project they post commit messages for [23:28:50] <nachox> i like onbot better too [23:28:53] <quasi> got CIA-9 in httpd-dev [23:30:16] <UnixTitan> CIA-2 in #ecommits [23:30:19] <UnixTitan> wonder what the first cia was. [23:30:58] <quasi> the numbers change around a bit over time [23:33:25] <nachox> i wonder what CIA means for the bot [23:35:47] <dwc-> try #commits [23:36:15] <quasi> or http://cia.navi.cx/ [23:38:36] <nachox> ohh, it's sort of a standard for opensource projects, never seen that before... [23:39:47] *** TrogL has joined #opensolaris [23:40:18] *** broadcast has joined #opensolaris [23:41:04] <TrogL> can't get Studio11 to install on OpenSolaris 11/06 build 55 on an E450 using either gui or ./installer -nodisplay [23:41:15] <TrogL> Error message: [23:41:40] <TrogL> Exception in thread "Thread-21" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/install/panels/ComponentSelectionListener [23:42:27] <jmcp> TrogL: have you tried the batch_installer script instead? [23:43:40] <movement> we can't control the bot name alas [23:44:06] *** rcheli has quit IRC [23:44:07] <quasi> movement: nope - CIA-22 is on a pile of channels [23:44:17] * TrogL tries it [23:44:47] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [23:45:54] <jmcp> TrogL: you should also check the logfiles in /var/sadm/install/logs to see whether there's anything useful there [23:46:32] <TrogL> it keeps loading the Java Accessibility Bridge for GNOME even though I'm in an ssh session [23:46:53] <jmcp> TrogL: it'll do that [23:46:56] <dwc-> no class def sounds like a broken classpath or missing library [23:47:37] *** rockpool has quit IRC [23:48:15] *** triplah_ has quit IRC [23:48:58] <jmcp> TrogL: have you installed Studio before? and possibly done pkgrm rather than running the uninstaller? [23:50:53] <delewis> dwc-, sort of. [23:51:10] <hspaans> kewl sun spots [23:51:16] <delewis> Solaris Express ships JSE 1.6, nowadays, which breaks the Sun Studio installer, unless you use batch_installer [23:51:33] <TrogL> batch_installer broke too [23:52:13] <delewis> you can modify your JAVA_BIN (or whatever environment variables) to use JSE 1.5 [23:52:37] <delewis> er, JAVA_HOME [23:53:16] <TrogL> where is JSE 1.5? [23:53:31] <delewis> somewhere in /usr [23:53:39] <jmcp> TrogL: /usr/jdk/instances [23:53:44] * delewis doesn't have a Solaris Expres system around at the moment [23:54:59] <jmcp> TrogL: /usr/jdk/instances/jdk1.6.0 [23:55:16] <jmcp> and /usr/java points to /usr/jdk/jdk1.6.0 [23:55:33] <TrogL> found it [23:55:47] <TrogL> ls [23:57:42] *** nachox has quit IRC [23:57:49] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [23:58:24] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris [23:59:29] <jmcp> hi doc