January 15, 2007 
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January 15, 2007 [00:03:13] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:06:53] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [00:07:42] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [00:13:25] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [00:15:19] *** Gman has quit IRC [00:30:53] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [00:34:25] <onbot> commit by Jane Chu: 6502745 px driver output wrong information for IMU error; 6512844 panic in pcie_get_ppd with QLC device hang off Fire leaf directly [00:45:20] *** trs81 has quit IRC [00:45:48] <rbrown> checkout the following prioblem [00:45:49] <rbrown> http://discuss.fogcreek.com/techInterview/default.asp?cmd=show&ixPost=1067 [00:46:42] <rbrown> would it be wrong to answer this question stating that if no one returns the attack must never take place? [00:47:15] <rbrown> until you get a messenger to go an return then would be the only time both armies would attack? [00:48:54] <Error_e^ipi> if they're both on hills, why not use light/smoke signals [00:49:51] <trygvis> dude, just use your mobile [00:49:52] <Tpenta> because the red army can also see it [00:50:05] <trygvis> the answer is a two-phase commit! [00:50:29] <boyd_> jmcp: Grrr [00:50:40] <jmcp> boyd_: hi ... wassup? [00:51:16] <boyd_> :) I was just following your roller blog and got to "That didn't really work for me either... So I ditched both in favour of pulling down apache httpd v2.2.3 and tomcat v5.5.17" :) [00:51:37] <jmcp> so what's the problem? [00:51:46] <jmcp> my context switch is taking a while this morning [00:51:48] <boyd_> I should have read it all from the start, since I just wasted time on the dead-end :) [00:52:24] <jmcp> ah [00:53:02] <boyd_> Oh, well.. not the end of the world [00:53:11] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [00:53:12] *** peteh has quit IRC [00:54:14] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [00:55:29] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:55:41] <jmcp> boyd_: .... yet [00:55:59] <boyd_> :_ [00:56:01] <boyd_> :) [01:05:53] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [01:10:56] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [01:12:10] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [01:14:34] <quants> For a limited time only, just like Ubuntu's ShipIt service, Sun Microsystems lets you order Solaris 10 absolutely free of charge. The operating system comes on a single DVD supporting both the x86 and SPARC versions. Also included is Sun Studio 11. [01:15:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [01:16:12] <delewis> quants: referring to the Slashdot posting? [01:16:24] <quants> yeah I get rss [01:16:58] <delewis> it's interesting that when Ubuntu ships CDs everyone says "Yay, they're way ahead of the game" and when someone like Sun decides to ship an enterprise-grade operating system everyone says, "Wow, they must be desperate if they're giving their operating system away for free" [01:17:01] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [01:17:16] <delewis> that's the famous Slashdot double-standard in action. [01:17:29] <tmclaugh> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=216860&cid=17606860 [01:17:30] <dclarke> hello [01:17:34] <tmclaugh> from the same article [01:17:37] <dclarke> slashdot .. double standard ? [01:17:38] <delewis> greetings, dennis. [01:17:45] <delewis> dclarke: yeah. :-) [01:17:45] <dclarke> g'day [01:17:45] <jbk> say it ain't so [01:18:09] <jbk> next you're going to tell me faux news really isn't fair & balanced :) [01:18:22] <delewis> jbk: hey, I actually like Fox :-) [01:18:25] * delewis ducks [01:18:35] <Error_e^ipi> hey dclarke [01:19:06] <quants> I thought it was good news sun studio11! [01:19:09] *** dclarke has quit IRC [01:19:40] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [01:19:55] <Tpenta> afternoon dennis [01:20:06] <dclarke> one more time .. hello [01:20:13] <dclarke> my IRC client got wedged [01:20:30] <dclarke> or at least I was unable to get focus in the text window [01:20:49] <Error_e^ipi> which client? [01:21:06] <dclarke> chatzilla .. included with Mozilla in Solaris 10 [01:21:24] <Error_e^ipi> i c [01:21:57] <lloy0076> I usually use gaim but lately IRC has been randomly making it crash. [01:22:02] <dclarke> okay .. I need some people to review something for me [01:22:45] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/test.html [01:23:08] <dclarke> its really really long .. sorry .. I just need to knwo that it looks okay and the english there is valid .. [01:23:19] <dclarke> see if anything pops out as just "wrong" [01:24:36] <dclarke> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061219 Red Hat/1.0.7-0.1.el3.centos3 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 [01:24:49] * delewis wonders who the traitor is [01:24:51] <dclarke> I see a whakc of traffic from *that* all of a sudden [01:24:54] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [01:24:59] <dclarke> okay .. who was that ? [01:25:06] <dclarke> I can find out ya know ! [01:25:09] <dclarke> :-) [01:25:18] <lloy0076> dclarke: Threre's an AMD Celeron? [01:25:28] <quants> haha maybe this time they have enough to send me a disc? [01:25:43] <dclarke> oops .. that's what I mean [01:25:49] <dclarke> typing waaay too fast [01:25:54] <jmcp> dclarke: it's lloy0076 [01:25:57] <jmcp> :) [01:26:12] <dclarke> okay .. Intel Celeron [01:26:16] <dclarke> let me fix that [01:26:27] <dclarke> heck .. does anyone really run Solaris on a Celeron ? [01:26:34] <Error_e^ipi> my laptop does [01:26:35] <dclarke> Centrino .. or whatever they call it [01:26:37] <lloy0076> dclarke: Also, the "We are pleased to announce that the 2007-01 stable release has been delivered. [01:26:48] <lloy0076> " seems out of place. [01:26:53] <dclarke> lloy0076 : oh ? [01:26:54] <lloy0076> Shouldn't that kind of be at the start? [01:27:01] <dclarke> oh .. yeah ! [01:27:02] <dclarke> duh [01:27:05] <dclarke> one sec .. [01:27:12] <Auralis> dclarke: Celeron and Centrio are both two very different things [01:27:19] <quants> lol [01:27:30] <quants> cENTRINO [01:27:31] <dclarke> I lump them together .. as NOT AMD Opteron [01:27:43] <lloy0076> "This is the ?golden rule? os Solaris" - should be "This is the "golden rule" OF Solaris". [01:27:50] <lloy0076> No capitalised btw. [01:28:26] <lloy0076> "but we can only truely" s/truely/truly/ [01:28:59] <dclarke> hit reload [01:29:38] <lloy0076> 'This is the ?golden rule? os Solaris where any application that runs on a currently shipping edition of Solaris will also run on any other shipping edition of Solaris.' is clunky. [01:29:58] <dclarke> good eye [01:30:01] <dclarke> one sec [01:30:13] <lloy0076> "This is the "golden rule" of Solaris: any application that runs on a currently shipping edition of Solaris will also run on any other shipping edition of Solaris." [01:30:26] <lloy0076> ...it's a minor change but I think it reads more easily. [01:30:31] * dclarke hits copy and paste [01:30:46] <Tpenta> I would have thought any subsequent version of Solaris [01:31:05] <quants> does sol10 have JDS? [01:31:12] <Tpenta> yes [01:31:18] <lloy0076> What's the difference between Gnome and JDS? [01:31:21] <quants> woho [01:31:25] <quants> o [01:31:28] <Tpenta> jds is gnome with sun branding [01:31:37] <lloy0076> Ah, I see. [01:31:59] <quants> plus java goodness? [01:32:04] <lloy0076> dclarke: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-4415/6mjum5shb?a=view throws a server error [01:32:06] <delewis> not really. [01:32:17] <delewis> the pre-pending of Java was a marketing jab. [01:32:18] <lloy0076> That's the first link on the page. [01:32:25] <delewis> "Java" is hot, nowadays, supposedly. [01:32:26] <dclarke> lloy0076 : what ? really .. geez .. I just tested that [01:32:31] <quants> so it's like helix [01:32:46] <lloy0076> heh [01:33:11] <quants> helix code was rebranded softs [01:33:27] <dclarke> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-4415/6mjum5shb?a=view [01:33:40] <dclarke> geez .. works for me [01:33:40] <lloy0076> This server has encountered an internal error which prevents it from fulfilling your request. The most likely cause is a misconfiguration. Please ask the administrator to look for messages in the server's error log. [01:33:43] <delewis> well, Sun has contributed to Gnome, so I wouldn't call it pure "rebranding" [01:33:45] <dclarke> anyone else see it as an error ? [01:34:02] <delewis> works for me, too [01:34:07] * lloy0076 hmmm [01:34:14] <quants> delewis: I'm sure helix did too [01:34:17] <lloy0076> I'm calling it via squid via Centos 3.8. [01:34:18] <dclarke> hit reload and try that again please [01:34:34] <dclarke> well .. centos is "good stuff" generally [01:34:43] <lloy0076> Nope, still an error. [01:34:50] <delewis> as good as Linux comes, anyhow, dclarke :-) [01:35:12] <dclarke> yeah .. I have Knoppix here and Debian and RHEL and others for testing [01:35:19] <dclarke> but I am running S10u2 atm [01:35:49] <lloy0076> For some peculiar reason, I haven't gotten around to installing Squid on Solaris and it "just works" in my BrandZ Centos 3.8 zone(s) - so I just use that. [01:35:52] <delewis> heh, every system I have turned on at the moment is running Solaris. :-) [01:36:29] <quants> as soon as polaris makes a release I'm going that direction [01:36:30] <dclarke> um .. same here [01:36:51] <dclarke> well .. I'll be there before you :-) [01:39:16] <Error_e^ipi> speaking of which, dclarke have you spoken with bill & raquel for me? [01:39:38] <dclarke> ah .. I was exchanging emails today .. [01:39:47] <dclarke> sorry .. didn't drop your name [01:39:53] <dclarke> I will do that .. nowish [01:40:02] * dclarke redefines the term "now" [01:40:18] <Error_e^ipi> heh [01:40:20] <Error_e^ipi> cool, thx [01:40:36] <dclarke> nowish == now + dt for dt<<3600secs [01:41:02] <quants> "The reason Linux has made so little impact in the desktop market is largely because a fully open system tends to devolve into anarchy." [01:41:06] <quants> haha [01:41:29] <dclarke> any last thoughts on this ? http://www.blastwave.org/test.html [01:41:37] <lloy0076> quants: I'd be more inclined to say it's because people can't play games or pr0n easily... [01:42:00] <Error_e^ipi> I dunno, the BSD's seem to be more consistent with each other despite not sharing developers than linux does between any two seperate computers [01:42:21] <quants> Error_e^ipi: too true [01:42:44] <lloy0076> dclarke: In the second paragraph you start by explaining the stable tree. Then three sentences later you explain it in more detail. [01:42:58] <dclarke> awkward eh ? [01:43:12] <lloy0076> dclarke: I think the second sentence of the second paragraph is actually the opening sentence... [01:43:30] <lloy0076> dclarke: (because the paragraph seems to be about explaining the software stack) [01:43:41] <dclarke> yes .. I see [01:43:49] <dclarke> a little reorder is needed there [01:44:10] <lloy0076> Also, the third paragraph's opening sentence should read: "Each of these software trees HAS many branches." [01:44:23] <lloy0076> *hmmm* [01:44:36] <lloy0076> Better yet: Each software tree has many branches. [01:44:42] <dclarke> verb tense agreement or singular/plural are always my weakness [01:45:37] <lloy0076> and this x86 branch in 3rd paragraph is probably more idiomatic as "which" [01:45:45] <lloy0076> lol@me [01:45:54] <lloy0076> Everyone used to get me to check their essays. [01:46:36] <lloy0076> "Each of these architecture branches will cover" better reads: "Each of these architecture branches COVERS"... [01:46:43] <dclarke> I must track you down for my article writeups ! [01:46:44] <lloy0076> Unless they don't actually cover what you say now. [01:47:05] <dclarke> let me scroll back and catch up with you [01:47:09] <dclarke> where was I ? [01:47:16] <lloy0076> And again, it's probably more idiomatic to say: "Each architecture branch covers..." [01:47:19] <dclarke> ah yes .. plural [01:47:26] <Kmays> ah, gnome... [01:47:39] <dclarke> Kmays : getting there [01:47:53] <dclarke> Kmays : I have to get this out the dorr .. its 2 days latre [01:47:57] <dclarke> Kmays : I have to get this out the dorr .. its 2 days late [01:48:03] * dclarke ah hell [01:48:09] <Kmays> 8) [01:49:19] <dclarke> these software trees has many branches. .. [01:49:34] <dclarke> no .. thats not correct [01:49:40] <dclarke> should be "have" [01:49:44] <Tpenta> have [01:50:52] <dclarke> Each software tree has many branches [01:50:57] <dclarke> thats better [01:51:12] <Tpenta> much [01:51:38] <dclarke> somehow I suspect that no one expects the software geeeks to be English majors [01:51:54] <dclarke> I'm not illiterate [01:52:03] <dclarke> just .. I stumble a bit .. [01:52:25] <lloy0076> :) [01:52:45] <dclarke> well .. I'm looking at it and its a bloody huge page [01:52:52] <dclarke> like .. really a large list [01:53:07] <dclarke> I suspect that may be the larest release of software for Solaris .. ever [01:53:29] <lloy0076> dclarke: One of my passions is learning and using language. So I actually understand English, German, French, Italian and Spanish. I can read Danish a little bit. I know a bit about Indonesian and I'm teaching myself Egyptian Hieroglyphic and Coptic. [01:53:45] * dclarke impressed [01:53:54] <dclarke> I don't impress easily .. I'm real jaded [01:54:02] <dclarke> but that's just staggering [01:54:22] <dclarke> how about another language that I consider to be symbolic .. Hebrew ? [01:54:43] <quants> old greek was too [01:54:44] <lloy0076> Ah, I'd like to be able to read it. [01:54:52] <dclarke> not as obscure as hieroglyphics but certainly fascinating [01:54:55] <dclarke> and .. older [01:55:09] <dclarke> I started study over three years ago [01:55:24] <dclarke> my progress has been less than satisfactory [01:55:25] <Kmays> if you live in Europe or overseas..it starts to come easy.. [01:55:26] <quants> the lang, not the written for is [01:55:29] <lloy0076> The Egyptian Hieroglphys aren't that obscure. They're quite regular. It's actually a rather large alphabet. [01:55:30] <dclarke> I'm better with numbers [01:55:30] <quants> form* [01:56:11] <quants> hebrew is twice removed demotic [01:56:18] <dclarke> I think I'd like to let that release announcement out the door [01:56:23] <quants> aka egyptian [01:56:56] <lloy0076> Demotic was simply the people's language. [01:57:15] <quants> script forms based on hieroglyphs [01:57:24] <quants> yes [01:57:32] <lloy0076> It's actually quite easy to see how it came about. [01:57:47] <lloy0076> I'm rather a bad drawer and some of my attempts at drawing hieroglyphs look very much like demotic. [01:58:13] <Kmays> stable is already released... [01:58:28] <dclarke> Kmays : yes .. I know [01:58:39] <dclarke> Kmays : but never announced [01:58:53] <dclarke> Kmays : this will be followed by GNOME if we can geet it nailed down [01:59:02] <dclarke> but that will take a little time [01:59:17] <dclarke> my expectation is to get past this hump and then release GNOME [01:59:38] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [02:00:11] *** peteh has quit IRC [02:00:23] <Kmays> cool [02:00:52] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [02:01:43] <dclarke> hrmmm .. [02:01:45] * Theoden-Nexenta is listening to: Beethoven - Triple Concerto in C op. 56 - III - Rondo alla polacca : courtesy of Rhythmbox and OpenSolaris [02:02:00] <dclarke> I may have to rip that massive table out of there and stick it in an article page [02:02:01] <quants> "Is the source code included? It says only "Solaris," not "OpenSolaris," so I'm guessing that it's not. If it were, that would be cool." [02:02:19] <quants> he's so right [02:03:08] <Kmays> No Nexenta Live Alpha 6? [02:03:40] <Kmays> Seems like the Live CDs have slowed to nada. [02:04:00] <Error_e^ipi> quants: but which version of the source? [02:04:05] <Error_e^ipi> O/N 1? [02:04:12] <Error_e^ipi> O/N 30? [02:04:15] <lloy0076> The Nexenta LiveCD that I did have seemed to be really slow to load...once it got going it was fine. [02:04:23] <quants> current of course [02:04:26] <Error_e^ipi> maybe 54, which in 2 weeks will be out of date [02:04:59] <_syphilis_> are you talking about shipping source with S10? [02:05:06] <Error_e^ipi> it's much easier to just point at os.o and say "get the latest from there" [02:05:34] <quants> ? [02:07:47] *** Fish- has quit IRC [02:09:51] *** Gman has quit IRC [02:10:10] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [02:16:51] <dclarke> any last works on http://www.blastwave.org/index.html ?? [02:17:05] <dclarke> any last words on http://www.blastwave.org/index.html ?? [02:17:16] <dclarke> because its released ...and announced [02:17:28] <dclarke> which means .. its all GNOME from here on in .. [02:17:33] * dclarke better make coffee [02:18:08] <SunTzuTech> by putting jamisons in it [02:18:23] <quants> wow does sol10 really come in amd64? [02:18:38] <dclarke> sheesh ... [02:18:39] <dclarke> yes [02:18:42] <dclarke> big time [02:18:58] <SunTzuTech> only after install time. install time is 32-bit only [02:19:07] <quants> mkay I have a new machine to migrate [02:19:31] <dclarke> quants : and Solaris 10 on AMD 64 is real real real fast [02:19:34] <_syphilis_> it would be a little odd for sun to push opteron so much if they didn't have an OS for it :) [02:19:50] <quants> I thought it was linux only [02:20:07] <lloy0076> SXCR runs nicely on AMD 64 X2 machines. [02:20:21] <dclarke> quants : probably becuase Sun marketing is doing such a damn fine job [02:20:49] <dclarke> take a look at the top entry here : http://mark.technolope.org/pages/rad_bench.html [02:23:22] <quants> our package that we depend on, and can not get src for requires usbdevfs, could it work under zones? [02:25:39] <dclarke> I dunno offhand [02:25:52] <dclarke> I guess its possible to hand over a USB device node to a Zone [02:25:57] <dclarke> and then .. maybe ? [02:26:08] * dclarke feels not very helpful [02:26:37] *** Jarkandu has joined #opensolaris [02:27:52] <quants> I'm getting to the point I want to jump ship, and opening the src to sol was the last step [02:28:13] <dlg> quants: you use source? [02:28:16] <quants> that is if it follows the bsds in dev style [02:28:47] <dlg> no, theyre coming from a different direction [02:29:21] <quants> the gnu freeforall is pissing me off [02:29:29] *** Jarkandu has quit IRC [02:29:54] <quants> seems like at times their is no captain at the helm [02:30:05] <quants> there* [02:30:57] <lloy0076> If one wanted to test out blastwave, could one do that in a Zone and not have blastwave packages uber-thump your global zone stuff? [02:31:01] <lloy0076> I presume that one *could*. [02:32:21] <Tpenta> Dennis, you got a plug: http://mark.technolope.org/pages/rad_bench.html [02:32:22] <dclarke> lloy0076 : yes .. of course [02:32:24] <Tpenta> oops wrong link [02:32:27] <Tpenta> http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3653431 [02:32:44] <dclarke> yeah .. a Sun exec let me know [02:32:51] <Tpenta> Given your last few days I think you could also agree with the first few paragraphs too [02:32:58] <dclarke> its look good and the whole write up is good also [02:34:17] <dclarke> yes Sir .. those first paragraphs are very apropos [02:35:31] <dclarke> I'm happy that Blastwave is being seen ( after 4+ years ) as a part of the Solaris ecosystem [02:35:51] *** Jarkandu has joined #opensolaris [02:36:22] <Jarkandu> Hello all [02:36:59] <dclarke> Tpenta : oooh .. non-debug bits for snv_55 are out I see ... [02:37:04] <dclarke> I must give that a whirl [02:37:15] <SunTzuTech> be prepared to have an 8GB root [02:37:16] <dclarke> but .. geez .. there is all this GNOME stuff to do [02:37:25] <dclarke> SunTzuTech : np [02:37:25] <Tpenta> yes, I did that last week [02:37:32] *** tmclaugh has left #OpenSolaris [02:37:35] <Tpenta> jan 7 [02:37:44] <dclarke> Tpenta : oops .. sorry .. been heads down here [02:37:49] <Tpenta> :) [02:38:07] <Tpenta> I'm keeping an eye on when b56 opens up [02:38:08] <dclarke> Tpenta : didn't notice .. but hey .. you are far worse to not see that big 42 swoop in on ya ! [02:38:10] <quants> any good books on driver writting for sol? [02:38:30] <dclarke> Tpenta : Happy Birstday ! [02:38:35] <dclarke> Tpenta : Happy Birthday ! [02:38:40] <quants> lol [02:38:49] <Tpenta> :) [02:39:06] <dclarke> I typo with a lisp .. and I don't mean a list proc lan [02:39:15] <dclarke> I typo with a lisp .. and I don't mean a list proc lang [02:39:44] <Tpenta> I'd really like to see bob respond to that blog and the comments I posted to his article [02:39:57] <quants> burst day, what a great typo [02:40:16] <dclarke> Tpenta : the guy will ignore you .. most likely [02:40:24] <Tpenta> like he did last year [02:40:39] <dclarke> Tpenta : maybe I can update my blog finally .. I can be waaay more blunt [02:41:24] <Tpenta> the thing is that the change he makes is subtle, I didnt notice it until I actually quoted the original and then saw what he said in the writeup [02:41:42] <Gman> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2007-January/000865.html - OWN #43 (old news from weeks ago) [02:41:49] <dclarke> maybe its just artistic license [02:41:53] <Tpenta> good morning glynn [02:42:05] <Tpenta> it's questionable journalistic ethics [02:42:14] <dlg> quants: writing solaris device drivers isnt bad [02:42:14] <dclarke> very [02:42:33] <Gman> hi Tpenta [02:42:48] <dclarke> I want a decent reference for assembly programming within Solaris [02:42:55] <dclarke> on AMD Opteron procs .. [02:43:05] <dclarke> and I suspect that's non-trivial [02:43:18] <dclarke> also .. the sun4v [02:43:55] <dclarke> I have this silly idea that I can load up a very long unsigned int into a number of regs across cores .. but .. there is no easy way to keep the cores in sync [02:44:20] <dclarke> so .. an arithmentic shift left will be tough from core to core [02:44:29] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [02:44:38] <dclarke> these are the things that interest me and I may fall flat on my face trying but .. I will try [02:46:29] <dclarke> is there a book anywhere on assembly lang programming for UltraSparc ? something up to date ? [02:46:32] <quants> I also need a managment console like we use for vmware? [02:46:56] <dclarke> mgt console for ? Zones ? [02:47:06] <quants> vm [02:47:11] <dclarke> oh [02:47:22] <quants> whatsitcalled [02:47:29] <dclarke> I thought it was browser based [02:47:30] <quants> the vm package? [02:47:38] <dclarke> the server console [02:47:51] <dclarke> its called the VMWare Server Console I think [02:47:58] <quants> no for sol [02:48:05] <dclarke> its been a month since I saw it and .. I used it once I think [02:48:15] <dclarke> oh .. dunno [02:48:27] <Jarkandu> can you point me in the direction of a good resource for 8NIX newbies? I'm wanting to install fonts and upgrade to b55. [02:48:28] <quants> I use vmware server in a few places [02:48:31] <dclarke> on that note .. I have to bugger off to do work on GNOME [02:49:00] * Tpenta tried to build 2.17.5 from jds, ... not much joy [02:49:03] <dclarke> Jarkandu : you are in a good place right here to ask such things [02:49:53] <dclarke> Tpenta : see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/GNOME/gnome_2.16.2_000.png [02:49:56] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [02:50:09] <dclarke> Tpenta : thats on Solaris 8 Sparc [02:50:10] <Tpenta> I specifically want something that was fixed in 2.17 [02:50:17] <dclarke> oh [02:50:27] * Tpenta wants to play with www.jokosher.org [02:50:30] <dclarke> sorry .. we have 2.16.2 in the pipeline here [02:50:57] <dclarke> and I better get to work if it will release anytime soon [02:51:07] <dclarke> gotta run .. I'll check in later [02:51:12] <dclarke> ta ! [02:51:15] <Tpenta> pretty desktop [02:51:20] <Jarkandu> thank you. I'm sorry I interrupted, BTW. [02:51:21] <Jarkandu> First off, where will I find my fonts cache? [02:51:52] <Jarkandu> Again, I'm a *NIX newbie. [02:52:14] <delewis> dclarke: http://www.amazon.com/SPARC-Architecture-Assembly-Language-Programming/dp/0130255963/sr=8-1/qid=1168825917/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5671203-5548635?ie=UTF8&s=books [02:52:32] <Tpenta> that wont help him for amd [02:52:39] <delewis> not exactly for SPARCv9 (not even for SPARCv8, but rather SPARCv7) but its still relevant. [02:53:09] <Jarkandu> I'm on an i386 arch. [02:53:44] <quants> delewis: he said amd64 [02:54:07] <delewis> huh? have all of you people gone mad? [02:54:14] <delewis> 19:46 < dclarke> is there a book anywhere on assembly lang programming for [02:54:15] <delewis> UltraSparc ? something up to date ? [02:54:18] <quants> delewis: I was interested too [02:54:48] *** Jarkandu has quit IRC [02:55:07] <quants> 17:01 < dclarke> I want a decent reference for assembly programming within Solaris [02:55:10] <quants> 17:01 < dclarke> on AMD Opteron procs .. [02:55:13] <quants> 17:01 < dclarke> and I suspect that's non-trivial [02:55:27] *** karrotx has quit IRC [02:55:30] <delewis> heh, the best source for that is the AMD64 specifications [02:55:35] <lloy0076> ... /msg chanserv madness #opensolaris true [02:55:43] <delewis> along with a generic x86 assembly text [02:55:50] <delewis> not a whole lot has changed. [02:56:31] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [02:56:32] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris [02:56:37] <dlg> more registers! [02:56:40] <delewis> greetings, hile_ [02:56:51] <hile_> howdy delewis [02:59:14] <Kmays> 2.17.5 <- what went wrong TPenta.... bonobo? [02:59:23] <Tpenta> couple of things [02:59:32] <Tpenta> some of teh coed is not public yet from sun for startes [03:00:06] <Tpenta> some code needed their version numbers bumped as the versions listed dont exist on the ftp sites (laca looked after that for me) [03:01:39] *** overseer has quit IRC [03:07:42] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [03:12:43] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [03:18:24] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [03:18:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [03:20:36] *** yippi has quit IRC [03:23:03] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:28:08] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [03:30:22] <Kmays> virtutech [03:31:04] <Error_e^ipi> ? [03:32:01] <Kmays> oh, i was revewing something Dennis was working on dealing with 'popping' the stack [03:32:29] <Kmays> STX(A) [03:32:38] <Kmays> 8) [03:35:17] <quants> a really interesting saga: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=119871&page=26 [03:39:57] *** Gman has quit IRC [03:40:58] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [03:41:13] <boyd_> jmcp: ppping [03:41:21] <jmcp> boyd_: aaaack [03:41:23] <boyd_> Wow that's wierd [03:41:26] <boyd_> :) [03:41:27] <jmcp> what is? [03:41:34] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [03:41:39] <jmcp> hi Gman [03:41:56] <boyd_> The pppp thing... I DIDN"T TYPE IT [03:42:07] <boyd_> Gah... I didn't hit that capslock either [03:43:18] <boyd_> I've noticed that under v heavy load solaris sometimes drops USB events [03:45:33] *** Falstius has joined #opensolaris [03:45:54] * jmcp stumbles into http://www.freedom2measure.org [03:46:33] <Tpenta> oh dear [03:46:45] <jmcp> oh ffs ... "Metrication is unnecessary and expensive. Worst of all compulsory metrication is undemocratic. Who ever asked you if you wanted the metric system? Our traditional, customary American weights and measures are units that we know and use easily. Miles, feet, gallons, quarts etc. are units that we are comfortable with. They are part of our heritage. Metrication will not only destroy part of our cultural inheritance, it will [03:46:57] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:46:58] <jmcp> one could make a comment about *education* and *science* .... [03:47:19] <Tpenta> actually I kinda thing NIH is appropriate too [03:47:20] <jmcp> including a para called "the base 10 myth" [03:47:23] <Tpenta> and fear of change [03:47:43] <quants> anyone here know anyhting about the .us systems of measure? [03:47:52] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [03:47:54] <jmcp> ""Sexist The metric system has been almost wholly created and standardized by male scientists and bureaucrats. At the time, during which women were considerably less liberated than today, woman had virtually no say in the creation and, in many countries, the imposition of these units. Perhaps, if they had, the value of the practical units used in those tasks undertaken by woman at the time would have been recognized."" [03:47:57] <quants> here is a hint: pi [03:48:01] <jmcp> quants: yes, it's farked [03:48:18] <jmcp> quants: allegedly legislated in some US States to be equal to 3 [03:48:26] <boyd_> I thiink they'd be happy as long as they keep measuring calibre in inches [03:48:37] <jmcp> boyd_: and dicksize [03:48:40] *** kb7sqi has quit IRC [03:48:41] <boyd_> Hehh [03:49:11] <boyd_> This KB thing is crappy. It's caused by the metric system I THINK [03:49:18] <rydis> jmcp: Huh? The "sexist" remark was rather sexist, IMO... [03:49:25] <boyd_> (see, it's missing keyups too) [03:49:31] <jbk> jmcp: actually there was a bill, but it never got passed [03:49:32] <jmcp> rydis: strawman [03:49:42] <jmcp> jbk: I know, more's the pity [03:49:45] <quants> KiB? [03:49:55] <jmcp> quants: an evil European concept [03:50:01] <quants> lol [03:50:13] <jbk> indiana isn't exactly known for it's intellectual prowess :) [03:50:26] <jmcp> heh ... the contact us page is http://www.hostess.com/womanhood/f2m/Support.htm ... an address and phone number in Texas [03:50:39] <jmcp> those darned Texicans are at it again [03:50:42] <quants> anyone who says we should use the metric system, and that .us is uneducated doesn't know their own lazy system [03:51:41] <rydis> Using "bytes" for "octets", and "B" for bytes and "b" for bits is rather silly, in general, since people never can keep that straight. The French use "o" for "octet". I think that's a good idea. [03:51:52] <quants> science came down for the rest of the world, not up since that is where we farm all of our talent [03:52:10] <quants> rydis: lol [03:52:18] <boyd_> Annyway, jmcp I was wondering if there is a reason you pointed your apache bbuild at your own openssl, rather than the system one [03:52:37] <lloy0076> INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS REAL! [03:52:38] <lloy0076> :P [03:52:46] <rydis> It also looks good with "kio" and "Mio". :) [03:52:49] <lloy0076> How could God create such STUPID creations as people? [03:52:50] <lloy0076> :( [03:52:59] <quants> indeed [03:53:04] <jmcp> boyd_: probably ... but I remember what that reason was now [03:53:43] <jmcp> I might not have wanted to pick up all the other stuff in /usr/sfw/lib [03:53:48] <quants> if there was a god surely he killed himself after that last stoned out trip [03:53:49] <jmcp> really can't remember for sure though [03:54:12] <boyd_> jmcp: Cool... thx [03:54:17] <Falstius> rydis: but, it is strange seeing harddrives labeled, 120 go! and memory 512 mo! (give me mo memory!) [03:54:53] <quants> um no [03:55:46] * quants fails Falstius [03:56:38] <Falstius> ouch. [03:58:12] <Falstius> actually, I had a question, is there anywhere I can find out what the different solaris device acronyms stand for? (Why is a network card bge, etc) [03:58:46] <jbk> depends in the chip [03:58:48] <jmcp> Falstius: bge is the broadcom gigabit ethernet driver [03:58:55] <jmcp> depends on the project name, too [03:59:37] <Falstius> oh ... *sigh* I know Solaris has some need technical stuff, but the device naming style drives me nuts. [03:59:45] <Falstius> s/need/neat [04:00:14] <Error_e^ipi> it's sensible [04:00:40] <Error_e^ipi> hme0 : your sun HappyMeal adaptor... not some random eth0, which you don't know which ethernet device it is [04:00:43] <jmcp> Falstius: what, you'd prefer "eth0" to refer to the arbitrary device which is your first ethernet interface.... and which may or may not change depending on your machine's pci bus probe order? [04:00:57] <Error_e^ipi> c0d0 <-- channel 0, disk 0 [04:01:07] <jmcp> Error_e^ipi: that's *controller* 0 [04:01:09] <Falstius> Error_e^ipi: if you understand it, it probably is. But I'm having trouble finding a good refernce. [04:01:24] <jmcp> Falstius: what exactly is driving you nuts about it? [04:01:29] <rydis> "man -k driver"? ;) [04:01:32] <Error_e^ipi> jmcp: I stand by my choice of words [04:01:35] <quants> bsd does the same [04:01:42] <jmcp> Error_e^ipi: that's fine, I'll let you be wrong :) [04:01:54] <Error_e^ipi> thank you [04:02:00] <Error_e^ipi> :) [04:02:23] <jmcp> you're welcome [04:02:33] <Falstius> jmcp: Say in my computer I have two broadcom gigabit ethernet cards, so they'd be bge0 and gbe1 right? Atleast with eth I now what to look for when there is a network problem. Anyway, I'm not saying which is worse just different and I don't understand it :) [04:02:53] <jmcp> I think you mean "bge1" btw. [04:03:05] <jmcp> you need to get your head around how Solaris addresses devices [04:03:06] <Falstius> jmcp: ah, yeah. [04:03:13] <Error_e^ipi> ifconfig -a will give you the whole list [04:03:22] <Falstius> jmcp: exactly, is there a reference? [04:03:37] <jmcp> uh .... probably somewhere in the Solaris system admin guide on docs.sun.com, or sun.com/bigadmin [04:04:23] <jmcp> it's difficult for me to answer this with a document because I've been using this OS through various releases since 1991 [04:04:28] <jmcp> kinda second nature to me :) [04:04:54] <jmcp> damn. docs.sun.com is stuffed :( [04:05:09] <Error_e^ipi> plus it's more or less UNIX standard... you don't even need to come from solaris to understand it [04:05:24] <Error_e^ipi> Linux just happens to ignore that particular standard [04:05:27] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [04:05:58] <Falstius> Error_e^ipi: I knew I should have played with BSD back in highschool along with Linux. [04:06:37] <quants> Falstius: www.silenceisdefeat.org [04:06:40] *** peteh has quit IRC [04:06:45] <quants> on .us dollar [04:06:50] <quants> one* [04:07:00] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [04:07:54] <Falstius> quants: I have it running in a virtual machine. It is just difficult to get into the guts of an OS when you don't have anything to fix :) [04:07:54] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [04:08:05] *** Error_e^ipi has left #opensolaris [04:08:16] *** Error_e^ipi has joined #opensolaris [04:08:33] <quants> you make a good point, but it nevar stopped me [04:09:02] *** Dar has quit IRC [04:10:00] *** rbrown has quit IRC [04:10:42] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [04:11:02] <jamesd> dtrace makes it easy to get to the guts of an OS or an APP even if you won'[t want to fix anything. [04:12:30] <quants> anybody know if ATA-over-Ethernet is being looked at for sol? [04:14:45] <lloy0076> If I'm reading Solaris Internals right, the more actual swap I have, the more likely Solaris is to keep programs in memory... [04:15:30] <jmcp> quants: personally, I don't think ataoe is useful - we've got scsi, iscsi, fc ... [04:15:53] <quants> jmcp: go read [04:16:20] <quants> scsi+aoe is workable [04:16:21] <jmcp> quants: I've been working on scsi and fc for many years ... I can't be bothered with ataoe [04:16:28] <quants> as is fc+aoe [04:16:46] <quants> jmcp: I'm also a scsi bigot [04:17:03] <jmcp> I don't know of any ataoe project within Solaris kernel engineering [04:17:10] <quants> aoe has nothing at all to do with ATA drives [04:17:19] <jmcp> quants: I'm well aware of that [04:17:58] <quants> jmcp: then how can you explain the fc, and scsi aspects of your argument? [04:18:17] <jmcp> I'm not arguing anything, just that I cannot see the point in ataoe [04:18:19] <quants> iscsi works on tcp [04:18:27] <jmcp> and I don't particularly like iscsi either [04:18:32] <jmcp> but that's irrelevant [04:18:44] <quants> no it is the point of aoe [04:18:53] <jmcp> I've already answered your question anyway [04:18:58] <quants> no tcp offload [04:19:03] <quants> yeah [04:19:06] <_syphilis_> why is it ataoe and not scsioe? [04:19:22] <quants> it's a protocol [04:19:56] <quants> iscsi is not [04:21:23] *** Gman has quit IRC [04:22:30] <lloy0076> atoe translates an ASCII string into EBCDIC, the IBM character set. [04:22:35] <lloy0076> http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=0530&db=man&fname=/usr/share/catman/p_man/cat3/SNA/atoe.z [04:23:27] <jmcp> lloy0076: yo're missing an "a" -- quants is talking about ATA-o-e ATA over ethernet [04:23:54] <lloy0076> Why would one want to run ATA (or SCSI) over ethernet? [04:24:19] <jbk> when one has a hammer.... ??? [04:25:09] <_syphilis_> lloy: cheaper than FC [04:25:22] <_syphilis_> (most people already have an ethernet infrastructure) [04:25:48] *** kb7sqi has joined #opensolaris [04:29:59] <boyd_> My car is cheaper than FC, but that doesn't mean I'd use it to store my data [04:30:46] <Falstius> I think you could store the whole wikipedia in the configuration of the bacteria in the trunk. [04:30:53] <_syphilis_> boyd: my car is cheaper than a ferrari, but that doesn't mean i don't drive it [04:31:08] <_syphilis_> (actually i don't own a car, but you get the point) [04:33:03] <lloy0076> That's it - bacteria backed hard drives! [04:33:10] * lloy0076 wot a brilliant storage solution [04:34:41] *** laca has quit IRC [04:34:53] <_syphilis_> we just started using iscsi as a way to flexibly connect a small amount of storage for backups.. absolutely no justification for FC and it's fine for that [04:35:26] <jbk> heh.. i've also heard fc called 'networking as designed by disk firmware writers' :) [04:37:34] <dlg> jbk: just be glad it wasnt a storage subsystem written by networking people [04:37:54] <LeftWing> It'd be good if they collaborated, perhaps, whilst remaining in their particular areas of expertise. ;P [04:38:05] <dlg> i dont think fc turned out that bad [04:38:50] <delewis> indeed, FC is quite elegant and has far many more purposes than just storage. It was designed to encapsulate any protocol. [04:39:10] <_syphilis_> fcip(7D) :-) [04:39:11] <delewis> and to support a large namespace of devices [04:39:17] <dlg> yeah [04:40:34] <lloy0076> *eep* [04:40:41] <jmcp> lloy0076: www.t11.org [04:40:44] <quants> aoe abstracts the storage from the hardware [04:41:05] <lloy0076> I can just imagine: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz: as a Windows drive name... [04:41:27] <dlg> quants: so does any storage protocol [04:41:41] <quants> no, you're wrong about that [04:41:41] <dlg> its not special [04:42:03] *** ciph3r has quit IRC [04:42:11] <dlg> oh? [04:42:24] <delewis> quants: sorry, but ATA is about 10 or so years behind, but I give them credit for implementing a protocol that should've been dead after the 10 years ago. [04:42:35] <jmcp> lloy0076: there are actual IEEE standards for namespaces that the various protocols use [04:43:12] <dlg> ata is an awful protocol [04:43:25] <quants> delewis: I would love an scsi-over-ethernet [04:43:26] <dlg> limiting your ios to the mtu on the network isnt smart [04:43:35] *** MikeTLive has joined #opensolaris [04:43:45] <delewis> its worse than SCSI and SCSI should've been dead 10 years ago, too, just to give you some perspective at where ATA stands at. [04:43:54] <dlg> and using something that only works on a local segment can be limiting [04:43:59] <delewis> quants: uh, its called iSCSI. [04:44:02] <dlg> delewis: scsi the protocol or the spi stuff? [04:44:15] <quants> delewis: no, not the same thing at all [04:44:23] <delewis> dlg: maybe just implementation-specific stuff, like sending commands over an 8-bit bus and so fourth. [04:44:38] <quants> anyway gtg [04:46:32] <dlg> delewis: yeah, spi is going to die shortly [04:47:58] <lloy0076> jmcp: The t1l guys need a web page designer :P [04:48:17] <jmcp> lloy0076: yeah, I know [04:53:57] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [04:58:40] *** Jarkandu has joined #opensolaris [04:59:12] *** postwait_ has quit IRC [04:59:41] *** Yamazaki-kun has quit IRC [05:03:27] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [05:05:34] <lloy0076> I suddenly remembered that Eclipse has a Java debugger. Now I can get rid of those pesky printlns and array printers... [05:05:39] * lloy0076 sometimes I wonder about myself [05:05:58] <delewis> lloy0076: dbx supports Java [05:06:43] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [05:06:46] <lloy0076> Intresting. [05:06:51] <lloy0076> *interesting* too [05:08:44] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [05:09:06] *** whaq_ has quit IRC [05:09:30] *** whaq has joined #opensolaris [05:10:10] * lloy0076 sigh [05:10:20] <lloy0076> Why can't Java implement variable argument lists? [05:11:19] <jmcp> lloy0076: istr that they're there in 1.6 / mustang/ java6 [05:11:27] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [05:11:30] <jmcp> at least, I thought that was the case [05:12:49] <Jarkandu> Hello again. Sorry I bailed so quickly before. I went looking in amd 64 for my fonts cache. [05:12:51] <Jarkandu> OK, I have another question. Where do I begin if I want to compile b55 from the archives? Do I put in the b54 DVD and install from that particular archive? [05:13:44] <Jarkandu> Is that what it is to install from a flash archive? [05:14:50] *** Kmays has quit IRC [05:15:21] <lloy0076> jmcp: I'm stuck with 1.5 or 1.4 :( [05:16:56] <jmcp> lloy0076: bummer. Choose 1.5 if you've got the opportunity [05:20:01] <lloy0076> jmcp: Actually, it's part of Tiger (aka Java 5) [05:20:12] <lloy0076> I think I can get away with using Java 1.5. [05:22:08] *** Mr_You has quit IRC [05:24:13] *** Dar has quit IRC [05:27:51] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [05:28:07] *** Jarkandu has quit IRC [05:36:00] <Stric> delewis: u320 has packetized scsi where it doesn't send commands over the slow bus.. [05:36:10] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [05:38:20] *** gustav3d has joined #opensolaris [05:40:32] *** gustav3d has quit IRC [05:45:08] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [05:50:03] *** Gman has quit IRC [05:55:26] *** justin_ has joined #opensolaris [05:56:39] <justin_> so it seems running 'route add -host 209.160.64.106 127.0.0.1' and then 'ping 209.160.64.106' causes a kernel panic.. at least on 53 [05:57:28] *** broadcast has quit IRC [05:59:31] *** broadcast has joined #opensolaris [06:03:17] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [06:10:49] *** Falstius has left #opensolaris [06:26:23] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris [06:41:18] <Gr|ffous> justin_, neat trick! [06:42:54] <justin_> Gr|ffous: I'll have to try it again when I get around to upgrading to the latest release.. certainly surprising [06:44:34] *** gm152 has quit IRC [06:49:34] <boyd_> Doesn't work on s10u3 :( [06:49:39] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd [06:52:34] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [06:55:14] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [07:00:30] *** Dar has joined #opensolaris [07:04:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC [07:05:52] *** trs81 has quit IRC [07:13:03] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [07:15:54] <justin_> boyd: yeah, I wouldn't believe it myself if it weren't for the crash dump thingy that has ip_newroute then ire_add_then_send and ire_add right at the top [07:16:33] *** ciph3r has joined #opensolaris [07:17:08] * lloy0076 hmmm [07:17:20] <lloy0076> Welcome to Rock Solid Solaris...where PING can cause a kernel dump. [07:17:23] <lloy0076> *ouch* [07:17:31] <lloy0076> s/dump/panic/ [07:19:49] <justin_> well I don't think it was so much the ping, as adding the route.. the ping was likely the first thing that generated a packet that went through that route [07:21:26] <lloy0076> heh [07:21:28] *** postwait_ has quit IRC [07:21:35] <lloy0076> justin_: You could call it the fast route to destruction! [07:22:26] <dlg> hrm [07:22:32] <dlg> do many people run things like zebra on solaris? [07:22:42] <_syphilis_> i run quagga on solaris, but not for anything serious [07:23:26] <dlg> what if someone advertised a route to themselves via localhost? [07:23:33] <lloy0076> I sense an inkling of a Dilbert cartoon here. PHB: What's wrong with my machine? I can't browse the Internet today...or get my shared files. Dilbert: Oh, it appears you copied route add -host 209.160.64.106 127.0.0.1 into a root console. PHB: Oh. Well, FIX IT! Dilbert: What do you need? PHB: Well, goto www.porntube.com, my DOB is 30/01/1965.... 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[11:48:04] *** triplah_ has quit IRC [11:48:27] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris [11:51:12] *** uwe has quit IRC [11:53:35] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [11:57:14] *** thomsog has quit IRC [11:57:53] *** thomsog has joined #opensolaris [11:58:05] <GoodKarma> moin [12:02:47] *** _syphilis_ has quit IRC [12:02:59] * raph_ael lo [12:03:43] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [12:06:55] <delewis> morning [12:09:57] <GoodKarma> moin delewis [12:12:55] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [12:13:06] *** platin has joined #opensolaris [12:20:02] <platin> Hello, I installed SXCR (snv_53) from the DVD and installed the full distribution. At install time I told the installer to configure the German keyboard. But now (I am in the Java Desktop) I haven't got the German keyboard but instead I have a English or American keyboard. How can I (re-)configure this, please? [12:20:39] *** lplatypus has quit IRC [12:21:54] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [12:22:51] <trygvis> touching /reconfigure should give you the setup menu back after boot, but might not be the easiest solution [12:23:13] <delewis> trygvis: touching /reconfigure doesn't do that [12:23:16] <delewis> sys-unconfig; however, does. [12:23:58] <cmihai> By the way, that reminds me. Strange issue with svn_54, JDS, screen lock. [12:24:06] <trygvis> hm [12:24:06] <platin> delewis, sys-unconfig is a command I should type in the terminal , right, or where can I find it in the Gnome menue? [12:24:12] <cmihai> Every time I come back in the morning, it's almost frozen. [12:24:14] *** rbrown has quit IRC [12:24:26] <delewis> platin: yes, sys-unconfig is a command [12:24:26] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris [12:24:33] <cmihai> Takes like 5 minutes to CtrlAltBackpsace, kill the server and get back it. When I'm back, all is fine. Anyone experience anything similar? [12:25:15] <platin> trygvis, Even if your tip was not right: What did you mean with touching /reconfigure : I s this a boot option for the kernel, or something like that? [12:25:28] <platin> delewis, Thanks i will just try out. [12:25:49] <trygvis> no, it's a file in the root of the file system indicating that the configure procedure should be executed on startup [12:25:56] <trygvis> but it seems I was wrong [12:26:20] <delewis> trygvis: all it does is basically execute devfsadm [12:26:58] <platin> delewis, please, the command tells me that all the system configuration will be deleted and then the system will be stopped [12:27:15] <platin> delewis, where then should i configure my German keyboard layout [12:28:11] <tsoome> platin: x86? [12:28:18] <platin> tsoome, yes [12:28:40] <delewis> platin: try loadkeys(1) [12:28:59] <tsoome> eeprom kbd-type=German; init 6 [12:29:26] <platin> okay , I will just try that [12:29:34] <tsoome> or Germany [12:29:36] <trygvis> delewis: hm, ok. thanks [12:29:45] <tsoome> ;) [12:33:07] *** Kmays has joined #opensolaris [12:35:13] <platin> No, eeprom has no option kbd-type in the manpages and with "loadkeys german " and with "loadkeys /usr/share/lib/keytables/type_101/german" I had no luck. Help me, please. [12:37:14] <lasseoe> kbd-type="German" is valid [12:38:34] <quasi> I've got a box that says kbd-type=US-English [12:38:38] <quasi> in eeprom [12:38:55] *** UnixTitan has joined #opensolaris [12:38:57] <platin> Okay, I will try that. [12:38:58] <Triskelios> platin: see also kbd -s [12:39:05] <kAv_> http://blogs.sun.com/ThinGuy/entry/coming_soon [12:39:08] <kAv_> this is too good [12:41:15] <lasseoe> very nice [12:42:31] <quasi> and you can already get scummvm... [12:42:38] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [12:42:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [12:43:07] <platin> Triskelios, with "kbd -s" i got to choose a keyboard layout where I choosed number 13 but it didn't help. [12:43:38] <platin> I now entered the eeprom command with kbd-type and now the pc is rebooting [12:44:10] <lasseoe> if it's still wrong when it comes back up, try creating a new xorg config [12:44:13] <lasseoe> /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig [12:44:27] <lasseoe> maybe it's using the default one [12:44:45] <lasseoe> I mean, autoconfig [12:44:56] <Triskelios> platin: kbd -s also lists the names you use for the kbd-type setting [12:45:26] <Triskelios> I thought editing /boot/solarius/bootenv.rc was preferable to using eeprom on x86? [12:45:59] <platin> Triskelios, At least here in my installation i got only a menue to choose from a list of keyboards. But anyway, eeprom with rebooting helped me. [12:46:57] <platin> Triskelios, After entering epprom kbd-type and then init 6 he printed something about "upadting boot archive" or so. Maybe it has the same effect [12:48:02] <platin> But can someone tell me what eeprom does: Does it alter my bios or some rom type things on my pc (hardware)? [12:48:19] <lasseoe> it changes /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc [12:50:15] <platin> okay, problems solved. Thanks to all :-) [12:50:18] <platin> bye [12:50:21] *** platin has quit IRC [12:54:45] *** merlin_ has joined #opensolaris [13:06:18] *** Fish- has quit IRC [13:09:35] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [13:10:00] *** Fish has quit IRC [13:12:39] *** _357181_ is now known as estibi [13:16:46] <sickness> i'm back [13:20:28] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [13:31:12] <Kmays> 802.11e QoS support [13:46:56] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [14:00:41] <merlin_> please, where i can find status of 802.11g support in OS? I have several notebooks with Asus WL-107G (RT2500 chipset) pccards and need WPA-PSK with AES encription (called CCMP i think) [14:02:24] <merlin_> i installed sxcr54 to test it, but i cannot find some sort od wpa_supplicant application [14:02:58] *** linma` has joined #opensolaris [14:04:45] <merlin_> ja tiez :P [14:04:53] <merlin_> ups.. sorry [14:05:58] <cap_> merlin_, here are two trivial google matches: http://blogs.sun.com/andrei/category/Wireless http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/wpa/ [14:08:20] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [14:10:21] *** linma` has quit IRC [14:13:58] *** linma` has joined #opensolaris [14:14:48] <merlin_> cap_: these links i found, but in both there are using atheos driver.. but i need wpa support for ral driver and i thought, that someone here can have some more recent news [14:15:49] *** linma` has quit IRC [14:24:16] *** linma` has joined #opensolaris [14:24:17] *** rbrown has quit IRC [14:24:26] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris [14:33:26] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:37:55] *** axisys has quit IRC [14:38:19] *** swa__ has joined #opensolaris [14:39:07] <Kmays> merlin <- may have to provide the engineer the device to play with? [14:39:54] *** swa_wtf has quit IRC [14:40:12] *** deather_ is now known as deather [14:40:19] <Kmays> Quote: "The wpa_supplicant deamon supports both TKIP and CCMP, but Atheros wireless driver v0.4 does not yet support CCMP encryption" [14:45:04] *** merlin_ has quit IRC [14:46:08] *** merlin_ has joined #opensolaris [14:49:16] *** ka46 has joined #opensolaris [14:51:24] <Kmays> So, technically, we could use the wpa_supplicant daemon and just plug in your RT2500 driver (I think this was done awhile back - but I'll check) [14:53:01] <Kmays> Yes, here it is: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=71898𑣚 [14:55:29] <Kmays> So if you have this driver: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ral/ (0.2) [14:55:54] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [14:56:21] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [14:56:46] <Kmays> and look here: http://ralink.rapla.net/ [14:57:24] <Kmays> You'll have all the current nfo you need on the status. [14:57:29] <Kmays> (info) [14:58:05] *** linma` has quit IRC [15:00:30] *** postwait_ has joined #opensolaris [15:02:42] <Kmays> latest rt2500 driver version is: v1.1.0-b4 [15:23:49] <merlin_> Kmays: thanks a lot. so it seems, there is no wpa support for ral driver now. all i can have is wep and that is too little [15:27:42] *** lloy0706 has joined #opensolaris [15:29:24] <Kmays> Actually, if someone spent some time on the driver port... you'd have the support you need and more. :) [15:30:14] <Kmays> I'll play around with it this week.. [15:30:37] <lloy0706> When "http://www.opensolaris.org/os/projects/" says "The process for requesting a new project requires that a community member..." does it mean someone who uses OpenSolaris and participates in the community OR someone who is affiliated with a Community as defined by "http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/"? [15:31:40] <Kmays> (or maybe see if the Sun Wi-fi engineers will be good to me) [15:34:31] * lloy0706 sigh [15:34:45] <lloy0706> Netbeans and Eclipse both seem to eat about 200 mega bytes of memory. [15:34:58] <lloy0706> I remember when I had only 256 kilobytes of memory and that was a LOT. [15:35:42] <delewis> lloy0706: that kind of footprint is fairly common, nowadays [15:35:50] <delewis> Mozilla, Firefox, Xorg, Xsun, etc. [15:36:15] <cmihai> Teh EVIL [15:36:32] <cmihai> Java, XOrg and Firefox, the onholy triune entinty [15:36:41] <lloy0706> The ONholy? [15:36:42] <cmihai> Add JES for a total RAM feast [15:36:47] <cmihai> lloy0706: yup [15:36:49] <darrenm> 200 meg RSS or 200 meg total SIZE ? [15:36:51] <delewis> cmihai: nah, Oracle. :-) [15:36:58] <cmihai> delewis: JES!!!\ [15:37:02] <darrenm> look at pmap -x output you might find there is a lot of sharing going on [15:37:05] <cmihai> At least Oracle does something :P [15:37:19] <delewis> cmihai: [15:37:22] <cmihai> Like: out of swap. Killing processes :D [15:37:23] <delewis> 1 63 11G 8220M 99% 1:51:59 1.3% oracle-zone1 [15:37:40] <cmihai> wee [15:37:50] <cmihai> That must be your 14GB of RAM E4500 :) [15:38:01] <lloy0706> darrenm: I doubt they're sharing. I've got one in a Centos 3.8 zone and one in Solaris and they're both using different JVMs. [15:38:03] <delewis> cmihai: 8GB, actually. [15:38:09] <cmihai> Meh, close enough :) [15:38:16] <delewis> but only about a quarter of that memory is actually paged in [15:38:24] <delewis> I've still got about 5GB on the free list. [15:38:36] <cmihai> What's that Oracle doing? [15:38:37] <darrenm> lloy0706: in that case no they wouldn't be sharing [15:38:51] <darrenm> but is it RSS or SIZE you are looking at ? [15:38:52] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [15:38:55] <delewis> cmihai: just for my evaluation and testing purposes [15:39:00] <delewis> I'm taking a PL/SQL course this semester [15:39:07] <darrenm> also the firefox in the Solaris zone will be sharing things like libc etc with other processes [15:39:12] <darrenm> pmap -x output tells you that [15:39:33] <cmihai> delewis: 3rd year University student? [15:39:38] <darrenm> Note I'm note defending firefox for being a memory hog just trying to point out that it might not be as bad as it first seems [15:39:46] <lloy0706> darrenm: I have no idea. The green monitor thing in my Gnome desktop goes up between 5-8% of memory :) [15:39:51] <delewis> cmihai: 4th. [15:39:58] <cmihai> Close enough. [15:40:12] <cmihai> 3rd, they're teaching that here too :) [15:42:13] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [15:43:02] <axisys> how do i kill a process that is not taking KILL signal on sol 8? [15:43:13] <axisys> reboot is the only option? [15:43:16] <cmihai> Kill it's family! [15:43:21] <cmihai> kill -9, kill -9, kill -9! [15:43:28] <cmihai> If it's a zombie, shoot it in the head; ) [15:43:37] <axisys> cmihai: none worked :-) [15:44:22] <cmihai> Well, zombies don't take any resourcexz [15:44:57] <axisys> cmihai: but i need to restart the process since it is not responding [15:45:00] <cmihai> Did you kill the parten process? [15:45:04] <cmihai> parent? [15:45:29] <axisys> i personally did not.. but it may have.. i just receievd a request to try to kill it [15:45:49] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [15:45:52] <cmihai> Just restart or kill the parent. The zombie children should die. [15:45:54] <lloy0706> heh [15:46:22] <axisys> cmihai: there is no parent available right now.. so it may have been killed before I got the request [15:46:25] <lloy0706> Why is it that most computer problems can be solved using a sledge hammer? [15:46:32] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [15:46:35] <cmihai> Or a shotgun [15:46:37] <axisys> reboot is the last resort then :-( [15:46:48] <cmihai> axisys: probably not, but meh [15:46:53] <cmihai> You could just ignore it [15:47:06] <axisys> cmihai: well i need to restart the process [15:47:06] <cmihai> Unless it's stoping you from doing anything else, zombies don't do much [15:47:25] <Cyrille> just walk around very slowly and try to eat your brain... [15:47:28] * lloy0706 hopes his e-mail to os-discuss didn't get too whackily formatted - I knew I should have written it in text first then OpenOfficed it. [15:48:34] * cap_ don't want to know what is meant by OpenOfficing an e-mail.. [15:49:12] <cmihai> Some people just can't use plain text :) [15:49:18] <lloy0706> I wrote it up in OpenOffice first with nice formatting then expected it to paste semi-sensibly in Thunderbird. [15:49:23] <cmihai> Those that can end up using some weird codepage [15:49:32] <cmihai> lloy0706: ugh... [15:49:35] <lloy0706> heh [15:49:40] <lloy0706> I should have used LaTeX :P [15:49:47] <cmihai> Yes, you should have. [15:49:47] <lloy0706> Or Docbook! [15:49:54] <cmihai> Actually, I don't mind people who send me TeX [15:50:00] <cmihai> Just those that send me 2 line .doc's [15:50:06] <cmihai> In Office 2007 format. [15:50:16] <cap_> lloy0706, no latex, no word, no openoffic, just write plain text damn it [15:50:53] <lloy0706> cap_: It went to the lists as plain text. [15:51:04] <cmihai> lloy0706: but it looks like /dev/urandom! [15:51:04] <cap_> or failing that atleast use a correctly mimed open rich format [15:51:29] <lloy0706> Confound it :( [15:51:53] <lloy0706> Stupid thunderbird put the subscribe e-mail to immigrants-discuss as the CC rather than the one I expected... [15:52:01] <lloy0706> I really shouldn't post things this late at night. [15:52:24] <cmihai> Yes, you shouldn't, email fairies might be asleep [15:55:06] <lloy0706> Talking about TeX, I wonder if Knuth is going to finish The Art of Programming series... [15:55:43] <nachox> he should have released vols 4 and 5 ages ago :P [15:58:06] <lloy0706> Anyway, it's time for me to attempt to get some sleep. [15:58:14] <lloy0706> I'm meant to be awake in about 4 or so hour's time. [15:59:32] <jteo> lloy0706: go now then. before it is... too late. ;) [15:59:49] <lloy0706> Indeed, indeed... [16:00:00] <lloy0706> Ciao! [16:00:02] *** lloy0706 has quit IRC [16:07:18] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [16:12:12] *** kFuQ has joined #opensolaris [16:38:23] <cmihai> I just heard Loonix got dyanamic growing for RAID-5 [16:38:32] <cmihai> Man, that's not fun. [16:38:57] <cmihai> Great, I just can't wait for the "Haha, we have that and you don't" people ;\ [16:39:33] *** justin_ has quit IRC [16:40:14] *** CosmicDJ has joined #opensolaris [16:41:14] *** ka46 has quit IRC [16:43:28] <CosmicDJ> hm... is anyone else here unable to compile c++ programs which use sqrt() ? (with sun studio 11) [16:44:07] <CosmicDJ> compiles fine with gnu's g++... [16:45:28] <CosmicDJ> here's the code: http://www.cprogramming.com/fod/sqrt.html [16:45:40] <Stric> cmihai: raidtools has had that for many years iirc [16:47:41] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [16:47:58] *** Theoden-Nexenta has left #opensolaris [16:47:59] <Stric> cmihai: but it seems like the current stuff is safer.. you can reboot during rebuild etc.. [16:48:19] <cmihai> Sigh. I just close my eyes and pretend it's not happening. [16:55:38] <Cyrille> CosmicDJ: what's the issue you're seeing? The ambiguity between sqrts? [16:55:55] <CosmicDJ> Cyrille: yes [16:56:43] <Cyrille> CosmicDJ: cast the int to a double for instance and that does the trick. [16:56:51] *** Snake has joined #opensolaris [16:57:30] <Cyrille> there are two std::sqrt around, none of which handles ints, so a cast is required to lift the ambiguity. [16:59:23] <CosmicDJ> hm right... looks quite ugly now though... [17:03:13] <Cyrille> ugly how? Because it shows exactly what's going to happen to your int rather than relying on whatever voodoo is done by the compiler? ;-) [17:04:55] *** LordKing has quit IRC [17:06:22] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [17:10:10] <CosmicDJ> Cyrille: [17:10:13] <CosmicDJ> ups [17:10:24] <CosmicDJ> ... static_cast<int>(sqrt(static_cast<double>(i)) is ugly IMHO [17:11:03] <Cyrille> why would you want to static_cast<int>() the result? do you want to print that the square root of 3 is 1? [17:11:48] <CosmicDJ> it's part of a for loop [17:11:55] *** tsoome has quit IRC [17:12:14] <Cyrille> I fail to see the connection here... [17:12:36] <CosmicDJ> Cyrille: that's ok, the compiler error is gone, thanks [17:12:52] <Cyrille> Actually, the code would have been better off saying for (double i = 0 ; i < 11 ; ++ i) { cout << sqrt(i) << endl ; } in the first place. [17:13:13] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:13:16] <Cyrille> no problem. [17:24:14] *** rbrown has quit IRC [17:24:27] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris [17:29:10] *** qdk has quit IRC [17:32:41] *** CosmicDJ has quit IRC [17:37:40] *** rnd has joined #opensolaris [17:40:10] *** bunker_work has quit IRC [17:45:48] *** Snake has quit IRC [17:46:31] <rnd> hi. does anyone know the current status of ipw3945 driver on opensolaris ? [17:52:01] *** axxl has quit IRC [17:52:05] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris [17:53:45] *** jfndi has joined #opensolaris [17:59:36] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [18:00:21] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [18:07:08] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [18:07:59] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [18:13:07] *** darrenm has left #opensolaris [18:13:08] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris [18:13:13] *** darrenm has left #opensolaris [18:13:42] *** pizdec has joined #opensolaris [18:20:02] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC [18:21:03] *** rcheli has joined #opensolaris [18:21:34] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [18:21:35] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [18:23:00] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [18:24:45] <bougie> hello :) [18:25:10] <rcheli> what's the opposite term for "discontinued" ? :) [18:25:11] *** deather has quit IRC [18:27:06] <cap_> "this product has been discontinued" "this product is available" ;-) [18:27:49] *** MikeTLive has left #opensolaris [18:28:18] <rcheli> umm [18:28:37] *** MikeTLive has joined #opensolaris [18:28:49] <rcheli> i'm creating a template with one column that has "Discontinued", trying to figure out what the other one should say [18:29:03] *** MikeTLive has left #opensolaris [18:29:05] *** MikeTLive has joined #opensolaris [18:29:16] <cap_> rcheli, I don't think I get the context [18:30:22] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [18:30:47] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [18:36:22] <Cyrille> "available" sounds about right. Or "in activity" or "in progress" depending on whether we're talking about tasks. [18:36:54] <cap_> ongoing? [18:37:14] <sahafeez> anyone ever use a avocent switchview mp as a KVM. from what i am reading it will let me have my main keyboard be a type 5 for sparc and pcs! [18:37:19] <Cyrille> sounds good too. [18:38:11] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:39:38] *** estibi is now known as _357181_ [18:40:48] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [18:41:07] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [18:41:12] <rcheli> hmm...how about "Extant" ? [18:41:24] <rcheli> 1. in existence; still existing; not destroyed or lost: There are only three extant copies of the document. [18:41:24] <rcheli> 2. Archaic. standing out; protruding. [18:41:39] <rcheli> that's what dictionary.com says about "extant" :) [18:43:22] *** jfndi has left #opensolaris [18:45:13] *** pizdec has quit IRC [18:47:52] *** axisys_ has joined #opensolaris [18:50:45] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [18:51:24] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [18:52:39] <quants> I burned the SXCR DVD, do any of you think it will work with my D900T notebook? [18:54:24] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [18:54:27] <quants> any notebook problems in gen [18:55:00] <trygvis> it will work, but it might not support all of your hardware [18:59:43] *** axisys has quit IRC [19:00:13] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [19:00:18] *** damienc has quit IRC [19:03:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:05:34] *** Kernel86|Laptop has quit IRC [19:06:58] *** MattMan has quit IRC [19:07:06] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [19:07:09] <dclarke> hello [19:07:27] <jbk> greetings [19:07:28] <Auralis> alo [19:07:42] <dclarke> hello from frozen Canada [19:08:03] <dclarke> we have ice ! we have snow ! we have blowing winds with ice pellets .. [19:08:04] <dclarke> its great ! [19:08:18] <Auralis> we have rain [19:08:19] <sahafeez> hum. i am in san diego. it was 28f this morning. [19:08:26] <dclarke> 28f ? [19:08:36] <dclarke> oh yeah .. thats right .. you guys are still in the dark ages [19:08:45] <dclarke> thats just below freezing eh ? [19:08:57] <Kmays> Hi-Dee-Hooo [19:09:00] <dclarke> let me think .. water freezes at 0 C or at .. 32 f ? [19:09:05] <dclarke> Kmays ! [19:09:12] <dclarke> I was hoping that you would be around [19:09:27] <dclarke> hey .. I'm mangling my way throuh the catlog here [19:09:34] <jbk> so like -2 [19:09:56] <dclarke> by the way .. I had to rush my wife into hospital via ambulance on Thursday night .. so that explains why I was in no mood at all to fart with GNOME .. okay ? [19:10:10] <sahafeez> i take it everyone saw the Why Solaris and Mac OS X Should Unite on osnews? [19:10:23] <dclarke> she is fine now .. no one has a clue what caused the extreme pain in the abdomen [19:10:24] <Auralis> dclarke: what happend? [19:10:24] <Kmays> ok...she's ok? [19:10:34] <dclarke> she's upstairs playing with the toddler [19:10:37] <g4lt-U60> dclarke, that was the temp up here in ?F ;P [19:10:44] <dclarke> its a snow/ice day here and the kids are home [19:11:02] <dclarke> jbk : yeah .. I caught that [19:11:31] <dclarke> Kmays : something triggered a reaction in the liver .. the liver shut down .. so then the body slowly poisens itself [19:11:45] <dclarke> we have have no clue what but from here on in its tests and more tests [19:11:50] <dclarke> the weekend was rough [19:12:01] <dclarke> so .. I am back on the GNOME wagon now .. okay ? [19:12:10] <Kmays> ok [19:12:24] <dclarke> I have generated the lines needed .. like [19:12:25] <dclarke> gnomedesktop-2.16.2-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz 5c617cd0d6f370e67914449447bb636e [19:12:35] <dclarke> then I manually insert them into the catalog [19:12:40] <dclarke> and strip off the GPG sigs [19:12:47] <dclarke> then share that out via NFS to my test box [19:13:02] <dclarke> then pkg-get -i gnome -s file://nfsshare/foo/unstable [19:13:07] <dclarke> makes sense eh ? [19:13:22] <sahafeez> dclarke - i can think in metric. and do for work, etc. the issue is that my car readout was in F and i cannot do the 9/5xwhatever in my head. its like -2c [19:13:50] <dclarke> sahafeez : why are you people still on ancient non-sense measurements ? [19:13:59] <sahafeez> no fucking clue. i hate it. [19:14:14] <dclarke> government can only drob bombs and not make intelligent changes eh ? :-o [19:14:44] <dclarke> hey .. here is an idea .. instead of moving the country forwards into this millenium lets ship another 20,000 troops over to the modern viet nam [19:14:51] <dclarke> heck .. next will come the draft [19:15:16] <dclarke> no wonder we are seeing a ton of americans moving up here .. but you guys don't see *that* on CNN do ya? [19:15:29] <sahafeez> the biggest reason is this - it is what we use and the cost of $$ is alot but the real reason is that unlike most people in the EU American do not trust their government. so trying to force the change will just give back lash. most biz here are on metric [19:15:48] <dclarke> well .. thats good to hear [19:15:59] <dclarke> in order to export anywhere .. you have to stamp metric on it [19:16:12] <dclarke> with the exception of libia .. I think that they are on imperial also [19:16:31] <sahafeez> hum, well the problem is 20k is not enough. i hate bush. it was a dumb war. but we broke it now we have to fix it. the issue is we should be sending 100k troops. [19:16:38] *** swa__ has quit IRC [19:16:50] <sahafeez> and mienmar (burma) [19:17:03] <dclarke> sahafeez : I am ex-military and from a combat unit .. my opinion would drive you nuts [19:17:07] <sahafeez> i hate the fact that we are doing it half ass [19:17:12] <dclarke> exactly [19:17:19] <dclarke> my opinion .. are ya ready ? [19:17:32] <sahafeez> dclakre: my last duty station was the 1 SF at Ft. Bragg [19:17:45] <sahafeez> sure [19:18:16] <dclarke> ship over 200,000 units plus full air support and ground troops and then take over the whole country .. establish a US governemnt and create a new country under the USA flag .. be done with it and conquer the first nation in the new millenium .. your are half way there anyway [19:18:37] <dclarke> hoo ah [19:18:42] <dclarke> semper fi and all that [19:19:06] <sahafeez> semper fi is the marines. [19:19:09] <dclarke> I was with the artillery .. hence the permanent ringing in my ears :-/ [19:19:18] <dclarke> yeah .. I know [19:19:29] <dclarke> I spent some time working with a unit called MAWTS-1 [19:19:41] <sahafeez> dlcarke: i am ok with that. i am pretty much of the opinion that we took it lets keep it. [19:19:42] <dclarke> Marine Air Weapons Tactical Squadron [19:19:44] <dwc-> conquering nations by warfare ... let's see how many international laws we can break while we're at it [19:20:00] <dclarke> its too late .. those laws stand no moral ground [19:20:03] <sahafeez> dwc-: we are beyond that. its broke. [19:20:13] <dclarke> you're in there and the killing continues .. nothing is better [19:20:46] <dwc-> there's a big one on acquisition of territory through warfare [19:20:56] <dwc-> it's the same one that saddam violated when he invaded kuwait [19:21:03] <dclarke> and also .. dwc .. I am anything *but* a pacifist .. I personally think that you guys should have carpet bomber afghanistan to the point of extinction [19:21:08] <sahafeez> dclarke: my wife always bitches about my hearing. it is pretty much gone in the low rang. a nice firesupport mission danger close from a battleship in GW1 took care of that. bleed out my ears for days [19:21:19] <dwc-> it'd be awfully damn funny to violate it taking over iraq [19:21:24] <dclarke> holy shit ! me too [19:21:51] *** rnd has left #opensolaris [19:21:52] <dclarke> I was firing 155 mm howitzers and the unit to my left swwung their tubes over a little too far .. I ended up being forward of a muzle [19:21:57] <dclarke> muzzle [19:21:57] *** Kernel86|Laptop has joined #OpenSolaris [19:22:05] <dwc-> dclarke: I agree. I don't think afghanistan was finished properly [19:22:33] <dclarke> so before we get into some serious sabre rattling .. I need to work on GNOME .. or Kmays will kill me :-) [19:22:40] <sahafeez> dwc- here is the thing....iraq needed saddam to make the country work. the people there are tribal and always have been. saddam and his goons kept it in check. [19:22:54] <dclarke> also .. the Canadian troops are in afghan . .what we have anyways and we are getting our asses kicked [19:22:54] <sahafeez> i am really pissed that we did not finish in afghanistan. [19:23:01] <dclarke> partially by you guys ! :-o [19:23:04] <dwc-> sahafeez: well aware of that [19:23:13] <Kmays> judo-chop! [19:23:20] <Kmays> :D [19:23:35] * dclarke jumps back and rolls to gain a better position [19:23:46] <sahafeez> but i am even more pissed about our so called friends in NATO not ponying up like they promised after sept. 11. oh, sure will will send troops - oh you want them to fight? no.... [19:23:57] <dclarke> okay .. Kmays is kicking me .. I gottta run off to #blastwave [19:24:14] *** thomsog has quit IRC [19:24:19] <dclarke> sahafeez : hey man .. we sent over everything we had [19:24:21] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [19:24:42] <dclarke> sahafeez : and they keep coming home in body bags .. but we are sending more [19:24:47] <sahafeez> thank god for the british and the Canadians ... they are true to their word [19:25:09] <dclarke> well .. the civilians are getting pissed but the government and the military are all for it [19:25:23] <dclarke> but out losses are the worst since Korea [19:25:29] <dclarke> and that was a real war [19:25:50] *** alobbs has quit IRC [19:25:54] <dclarke> so what the heck is this ..? a police action ? no .. if they soldiers are getting kills in number like what we have .. its a war [19:26:19] <dclarke> so .. anyways .. before Kmays really kicks me .. [19:26:33] <sahafeez> mean while we have the pussies in the EU that will not do a damn thing. we spent our $$ in the cold war protecting them while they used thier $$ for buying oil/gas from the USSR. they are usless. oh, and i have lived their so i am not some ulgy american that does not have a passport. [19:26:36] <dclarke> I gotta run to #blastwave <<-- note the name ? wonder where that came from ? [19:26:46] <sahafeez> a good day at the beach? [19:27:04] <dclarke> ha ha .. ya right .. [19:27:18] <dclarke> anyways .. I'll be in that chan .. for a while [19:27:28] <dclarke> gotta run .. Kmays is catching up to me [19:27:41] *** dclarke has left #opensolaris [19:28:04] *** nachox has quit IRC [19:28:39] <sahafeez> my only issues with the Mac OS X on solaris thing is the prging language. I like object-c and it is a damn site bettern the c++ [19:30:03] *** swa__ has joined #opensolaris [19:30:11] <oxygene> sahafeez: I'll tell my friends who are serving in the bundeswehr in afghanistan that they're pussies.. [19:31:41] <sahafeez> oxygene: i did not mean a slight against the soldiers, just the government and the public. i worked with the germans many times. damn fine soldiers. it would be nice if your government would let them do their job. [19:33:53] <oxygene> sahafeez: I think that's the plan - as I understand it, they're still in transition from the do-nothing-serious fake of army in cold-war times to an organisation that actually can do something outside their home camps [19:38:04] <sahafeez> the problem is that the governments of the EU countries for the most part are not willing to let their troops server in combat areas. now after sept 11, all the NATO members evoked article 5 of the NATO charter (without the USA asking) and now that we are asking for help the governments are so afraid of body bags that their troops are not really being useful. the UK, US and Canada are doing all the fighting. iraq is a bloody stupid mes [19:40:55] <sahafeez> in alot of ways i feel betrayed by these people that we spent so many lives and treasure helping to defend for all those years. [19:41:39] <sahafeez> while GWB is a dumbass, the opinion of most americans about the EU comes from the above. [19:42:28] <sahafeez> have a look at this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/08/11/do1102.xml [19:42:33] <sahafeez> it is a great read [19:45:55] <sahafeez> </soapbox> [19:48:22] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [19:48:33] <dclarke> geez .. I'm in #blastwave talking to myself [19:48:44] <dclarke> trying to keep Kmays in the loop on the GNOME test [19:48:54] <dclarke> Kmays .. on all your packages it looks like the REV statments are missing an "=" char [19:48:55] *** rcheli has left #opensolaris [19:48:58] <dclarke> also .. plaease fix gstplugins_good-0.10.3,REV2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz 3f8cf3b52822bebe8b17055135d9a52e [19:48:59] <dclarke> just rename it [19:49:02] <dclarke> ../gnome/unstable/sparc/5.8/catalog" 1617 lines, 192574 characters [19:49:04] <dclarke> done catalog [19:52:02] <quants> x86+ati Xsun, or xorg? [19:53:11] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [19:55:23] <dclarke> go with xorg [19:57:54] <richlowe> Xorg is rarely going to be a worse choice. [19:58:40] <richlowe> unless you need DPS or something similarly out of the way [20:00:23] *** Alukard_Belmont has joined #opensolaris [20:00:30] <Alukard_Belmont> hey everbody [20:02:01] <Alukard_Belmont> i say some screen of the original solaris and it looked awesome i also read some books on the matter is open solaris anything like the original [20:02:15] <Alukard_Belmont> i saw* some screen of the original solaris and it looked awesome i also read some books on the matter is open solaris anything like the original [20:03:17] *** ciph3r has quit IRC [20:03:39] <Auralis> yes it is just like the original, mainly because it is the original [20:03:40] *** laca has quit IRC [20:03:52] *** Ireul has joined #opensolaris [20:04:01] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [20:04:54] <quants> unless a bunch of gnu people turn it into linux [20:07:43] <Alukard_Belmont> lol :) [20:07:56] <Alukard_Belmont> i can't d/l it though to many friggin parts [20:08:11] <Auralis> huh? [20:08:54] <richlowe> If you're meaning source, you really wouldn't would want them all together. [20:09:07] <Alukard_Belmont> im talking about the express edition [20:09:12] <Alukard_Belmont> the iso's [20:09:36] * Alukard_Belmont begs for a purchase link [20:09:51] <Auralis> http://www2.sun.de/dc/forms/reg_us_2211_391.jsp [20:10:00] <Auralis> free and all that [20:10:06] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : you want the DVD's shipped to you ? [20:10:15] <Alukard_Belmont> yes [20:10:20] <Alukard_Belmont> thank you Auralis [20:10:27] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : where are you ? [20:10:36] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : what country I mean ? [20:10:41] <Alukard_Belmont> Dallas, Texas U.S.A [20:10:48] * quants sellfone commercial [20:10:54] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : okay .. that is the extreme opposite of Libia .. good [20:11:04] <Alukard_Belmont> :) [20:11:10] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : so you have a slow link to the world ? [20:11:19] <Alukard_Belmont> no i have DSL [20:11:25] <quants> slow [20:11:31] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : then what is your problem man !?! [20:11:48] <quants> all the .us is slow [20:11:49] <Alukard_Belmont> im lazy [20:12:02] * dclarke *snort* [20:12:06] <dclarke> kids these days [20:12:42] <dclarke> go download the iso pieces for the bloody DVD and then burn it .. [20:12:59] <Alukard_Belmont> ok [20:13:18] * Alukard_Belmont bows to his master [20:14:19] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [20:15:31] <Alukard_Belmont> O.M.F.G [20:15:48] <Alukard_Belmont> it will take a week to d/l [20:15:55] <Alukard_Belmont> 238 HOURS [20:16:07] <lasseoe> remember to stop your porn downloads [20:16:22] <Alukard_Belmont> lol [20:16:27] <richlowe> that has to be dialup. [20:16:32] <richlowe> (or equivalent) [20:16:36] <Alukard_Belmont> i just went up to 388 hours [20:16:41] <Alukard_Belmont> noooooooooooooooooooo [20:16:42] <richlowe> even really unfortunate DSL manages it in about 4 days. [20:16:49] <Alukard_Belmont> WTF [20:17:00] <Alukard_Belmont> i think i have just entered the twilight zone [20:17:38] <Alukard_Belmont> helpme [20:17:46] * Alukard_Belmont is on the verge of seppeku [20:18:27] <Alukard_Belmont> wow ive already got 50 kilobytes yaay [20:18:41] <Alukard_Belmont> now it's at 880 hours left [20:18:56] <Alukard_Belmont> i canceled it [20:19:09] <Auralis> dude, something is seriously messed up with ya connection [20:19:14] <quants> told you that all the .us is slow [20:19:19] <Alukard_Belmont> i have to be at school tomorrow so how will a flippin 880 hrs d/l help me [20:19:48] <Alukard_Belmont> my connection is fast on everything but solaris [20:19:58] <Alukard_Belmont> or anything on sun.com for that matter [20:20:24] * richlowe blames sdlc [20:20:31] <richlowe> wait a while, see if you hit a better mirror. [20:24:20] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris [20:24:20] *** rbrown has quit IRC [20:24:45] <Alukard_Belmont> i decided to stick with schillix [20:24:52] <Alukard_Belmont> smaller faster download [20:25:09] <Alukard_Belmont> im already at 10 percent [20:27:11] *** CosmicDJ has joined #OpenSolaris [20:27:51] <sickness> Alukard_Belmont: but outdated :/ [20:28:01] <Alukard_Belmont> damn [20:28:04] <sickness> I liked shillix a lot, but it's no more updated :/ [20:28:11] *** swa__ has quit IRC [20:28:18] <dclarke> SchilliX was lean and mean [20:28:36] <sickness> yeah [20:28:36] *** swa__ has joined #opensolaris [20:28:37] <sahafeez> there is another one. nex...somthing [20:28:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [20:29:14] <CosmicDJ> nexenta? [20:29:16] <sickness> it really reminded me of openbsd's "simple is powerful" approach, I loved schillix :') [20:29:51] <dclarke> I tried to install Lotus Domino on SchilliX .. whoa .. what a process [20:30:07] <dclarke> ultimately the libC issue bit me on the a$$ [20:31:12] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : really .. I think that Sun should allow Sun VARs/ISVs to distribute SXCR [20:31:16] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [20:31:27] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : then you would have a bizillion options [20:31:36] <Alukard_Belmont> :) [20:32:03] <dclarke> if I had the bandwidth to spare .. and I don't today .. I'd help [20:32:08] *** swa__ is now known as swa_wtf [20:32:09] <dclarke> no one here would skin me for it [20:32:16] *** pinskian has joined #opensolaris [20:32:28] <Alukard_Belmont> im done d/ling it :) [20:33:00] <dclarke> Alukard_Belmont : done? SXCR ? [20:33:11] <dclarke> I thouhgt you were caught in bandwidth hell ? [20:33:16] <Alukard_Belmont> no [20:33:30] <Alukard_Belmont> i d/led schillix from their website [20:35:01] <dclarke> oh .. [20:35:04] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [20:35:13] <dclarke> look at BeleniX .. it rocks also [20:35:46] <Alukard_Belmont> my processor is x68 [20:36:05] <dclarke> uh huh .. so ? [20:36:19] <Alukard_Belmont> BeliniX for SPARC [20:36:38] <dclarke> BeliniX for x86 [20:36:48] <Alukard_Belmont> o [20:36:51] <Alukard_Belmont> ok [20:37:34] <dclarke> http://belenix.sarovar.org/belenix_download.html [20:38:32] <Alukard_Belmont> cool [20:39:57] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [20:40:06] <sahafeez> is it just me or is the CDDB really screwed up re: genres [20:40:29] <Kmays> ops [20:41:15] *** Theoden-Nexenta has joined #opensolaris [20:42:32] <Kmays> control_center-2.14.2,REV=2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz [20:42:33] <Kmays> evolution-2.6.3,REV=2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz [20:42:34] <Kmays> gnome_panel-2.14.3,REV=2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz [20:42:36] <Kmays> gnome_session-2.14.3,REV=2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz [20:42:37] <Kmays> gstplugins_good-0.10.3,REV=2006.12.25-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz [20:43:02] <Kmays> catalog issue? [20:43:04] <Kmays> looks good there. [20:43:12] * Theoden-Nexenta is listening to: Charles Ives - Symphony No.1 - II. - Adagio Molto : courtesy of Rhythmbox and OpenSolaris [20:43:25] <Kmays> ;P [20:45:30] <Kmays> both catalogs there are fine. [20:45:43] <Kmays> was it some import bug somewhere else? [20:45:46] *** axxl has quit IRC [20:46:02] <sahafeez> I found Rhytmbox on Sparc to be quite unstable [20:47:41] *** tsoome has quit IRC [20:48:13] <Auralis> unstable is a understatement :) [20:50:25] * sahafeez is listening to Karelia Overture, Op. 10 by Jean Sibelius [20:51:06] <sahafeez> do i win since my is more obscure? [20:51:09] <Theoden-Nexenta> Nice [20:51:33] <trygvis> Sepultura - Convicted in Life [20:51:42] <Kmays> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b55/on-changelog-b55.html [20:51:43] *** lasseoe has quit IRC [20:51:44] *** lasseoe has joined #opensolaris [20:51:48] * Alukard_Belmont is listening Andromeda - Lonely Nights [20:52:01] * sahafeez has 56722 mps - all ripped from my own cd's. 389mbs [20:52:14] <Theoden-Nexenta> Not more obscure to me. So no. You lose. :-D [20:52:25] <sahafeez> hum. ok, lets see.. [20:52:45] <Alukard_Belmont> see yaal in a bit im going to #aros [20:53:00] <Error_e^ipi> *yawn* [20:53:39] <sahafeez> Antiphon - Salve Intemerata by Thomas Tallis? [20:54:19] * Theoden-Nexenta is listening to: Isaac Albeniz - Granada From The Suite Espagnole, Op. 47 : courtesy of Rhythmbox and OpenSolaris [20:55:45] <Error_e^ipi> lame, nobody logged in to the school machines know how to use talk(1) or write(1) [20:55:50] * sahafeez looks [20:55:51] <Error_e^ipi> or they're just hidden with the gui [20:55:54] * Alukard_Belmont is listening Andromeda- Tears Never Dry [20:56:09] [20:56:39] * Theoden-Nexenta is listening to: Cimarosa - Oboe Concerto in C Minor I. Introduzione Larghetto : courtesy of Rhythmbox and OpenSolaris [20:56:46] <sahafeez> i really need a itunes script to paste what i am listing to into irc [20:57:00] <onbot> commit by nh145002: PSARC 2003/064 SDP: Sockets Direct Protocol; 5068505 Integration of PSARC 2003/064 SDP into solaris; 6503394 TX introduced an incorrect assert: ASSERT(!connp->conn_mac_exempt); [20:57:13] <Auralis> Alukard_Belmont: now, if someone would port the aros mui clone to unix, unix would finaly have a good gui toolkit :) [20:57:16] <cmihai> sahafeez: you're using iTunes to play stuff? [20:57:23] <sahafeez> yes [20:57:26] <andersmo> Naah, you don't really need it, the rest of the world might not necessarily find it very interesting. ;) [20:57:27] <sahafeez> i am on a mac. [20:57:27] <Error_e^ipi> sahafeez: that's about the last thing we need [20:57:40] <dclarke> Kmays ? [20:57:44] <noyb> do you find tbird and ffox mem leak a bit? When I start them, I use 50% mem. After several days, I go upto 70-80% used, and when I quit and restart them, I get back to 50%. Maybe mem cache? [20:57:46] <sahafeez> rhythmbox is unstable [20:57:50] <Error_e^ipi> hey dclarke [20:57:59] <dclarke> hey man [20:58:01] <cmihai> True, it is. [20:58:10] <dclarke> took me a while but I figure out your nick .. [20:58:17] <dclarke> very craft to use Euler like that [20:58:22] <Error_e^ipi> heh [20:59:04] <dclarke> to be more precise and in keeping with the notation used by most engineers .. try e^jpi [20:59:18] * Theoden-Nexenta is listening to: Vieuxtemps - Concerto No. 5 for violin - III. Allegro Con Fuoco - Jascha Heifetz : courtesy of Rhythmbox and OpenSolaris [20:59:21] <dclarke> where j == sqrt(-1) [20:59:36] <sahafeez> Theoden, is it all classical? [21:00:13] *** swa__ has joined #opensolaris [21:00:21] *** swa__ is now known as swa_mobil [21:00:22] <dclarke> hello .. can I get a few people to test something for me ? [21:00:44] <CosmicDJ> dclarke: depends... [21:00:52] <sahafeez> will it break anything? [21:01:17] <dclarke> no no .. its a browser thing [21:01:26] <Theoden-Nexenta> sahafeez: Most of m y collection is classical - yes. A lifetime passion. :-) [21:01:27] *** swa_wtf has quit IRC [21:01:32] <dclarke> can you go to http://www.blastwave.org/ and hit reload for about 60 secs ? [21:01:49] <Error_e^ipi> for? [21:02:12] <dclarke> for testing my server [21:02:14] <Error_e^ipi> by which I mean, are you asking to incessently reload the page? [21:02:20] <dclarke> its hanving issues I think [21:02:27] <dclarke> yes [21:02:28] <dclarke> hamemr it [21:02:31] <dclarke> hammer it [21:03:26] <dclarke> its 90% idle .. I don't get it [21:03:49] <dclarke> with 47 processes blocked for resources .. weird [21:04:18] <mrdeviant> running prefork i take it? [21:05:00] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [21:05:03] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [21:05:32] <dclarke> http://rafb.net/p/fJDzqq53.nln.html [21:05:45] <dclarke> mrdeviant : this is old Apache .. not apache 2 [21:06:39] <dclarke> I wonder whats with the 47 processes there [21:06:43] <dclarke> weird [21:08:10] *** deedaw has quit IRC [21:08:50] *** maverickbna has joined #opensolaris [21:09:03] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [21:10:02] *** anthony79 has joined #opensolaris [21:13:25] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [21:15:43] <dclarke> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-523-2546574-1187,00.html [21:15:51] <dclarke> anyone seen that ? [21:16:01] <dclarke> the workers unions will have a fit [21:16:02] <kAv_> hello guys is volfs been replaced by svc:/system/filesystem/rmvolmgr:default [21:16:11] <kAv_> s/is/has [21:16:37] *** mlo has joined #opensolaris [21:17:49] *** maverickbna has quit IRC [21:18:28] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [21:18:52] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [21:19:39] <dclarke> volfs ? [21:19:42] <dclarke> what ? [21:19:52] <Auralis> vold has been replaced yes [21:19:53] <dclarke> I think that vold is still in there somewhere .. crawling around [21:20:01] <richlowe> it isn't. [21:20:09] <dclarke> oh really ? in SXCR .. but not S10u3 [21:20:24] <richlowe> though the service definition maybe, there was a bug where it wasn't getting removed on upgrade. [21:20:36] <richlowe> (there's pretty much that bug per service being removed, frankly, everyone seems to forget) [21:20:37] <dclarke> oh really ? [21:20:52] <richlowe> vold is probably in 10u3, it is not in Nevada [21:20:52] * dclarke scratches chin [21:21:00] <dclarke> yep .. it is [21:21:09] <dclarke> stil there .. but its looks scared [21:21:18] *** Kernel86|Laptop has quit IRC [21:21:23] <mlo> <- This long standing linux user is looking for (pointers to) solaris migration documentation. In particular to the solaris equivalent of the Linux Filesystem Hierarchy Standard to find his way around. Any ideas ? [21:21:24] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [21:21:28] <dclarke> sorta nervous .. and every time I ask it something it barks at me [21:21:49] <dclarke> mlo : we need that [21:22:01] <Auralis> mlo man filesystem, its around on the net [21:22:02] <dclarke> mlo : hell .. we need a whole library of docs for Linux people [21:23:54] <Error_e^ipi> linux is unfortunately popular enough that lacking such documentation is a large oversight on sun & the community's part [21:24:01] <Auralis> mlo: http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=562 [21:24:02] <richlowe> that would be what the immigrants community is for. [21:24:07] <richlowe> help them out. [21:24:24] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris [21:24:25] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC [21:24:26] <richlowe> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/immigrants [21:24:32] <richlowe> they do have content, but I've never actually read any of it. [21:24:39] <dclarke> me neither [21:25:00] <Error_e^ipi> there's also the unix rosetta stone: http://bhami.com/rosetta.html [21:25:11] <dclarke> Error_e^ipi : classically we Solaris users tend to be somewhat arrogant .. that needs to be fixed [21:25:21] <cmihai> No it does not. [21:25:33] <Error_e^ipi> heh [21:25:40] <cmihai> Ignorants need to be "fixed". [21:26:02] <cmihai> The kind that come here and go: I have Linux and I'm not afraid to use it. Now HELP ME! [21:27:51] <jamesd> cmihai, after some time with solaris, you will be afraid to use linux [21:28:24] <cmihai> Already am. [21:29:40] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [21:29:55] <quants> I really love openbsd [21:30:31] <quants> some day once opensol is stable I might be all bsd+sol [21:30:46] <mlo> so I'll start reading then. [21:31:11] <Alukard_Belmont> hey buddies i just thought of a great ideai love text-mode on unix [21:31:14] <Alukard_Belmont> you know the shells [21:31:32] <Alukard_Belmont> well iwas wondereing if we could incorperate graphics into the sheels [21:31:46] <Auralis> mlo: and if you want the full docs, docs.sun.com has more then you will prolly ever can read [21:32:51] <mlo> Auralis: I have tried them. The problem with those is that around 80% is redundant, if one - like me - has been a linux user for some 10+ years. [21:33:04] <mlo> I know what a shell is, thank you very much. [21:33:17] <mlo> I am surprised tho that on solaris it seems only root can change ones login shell tho [21:33:59] *** estibi has quit IRC [21:34:24] <Alukard_Belmont> :) [21:35:53] <mlo> (And I assume debating the choice of the default shell which doesnt even have proper cursor key/history mapping, would be considered rude for somebody joining this channel only a few minutes ago :) [21:35:53] <dojtoll> yay! I'm reparing a gentoo installation [21:35:54] <dojtoll> It sucks [21:37:17] <Auralis> the default shell is the way it is because it was always that way, tribute to backwrd compat [21:37:56] <cmihai> Put it in your .profile, heh [21:38:52] *** tsoome1 has joined #opensolaris [21:38:57] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [21:39:18] <mlo> Auralis: I'm not debating the default root shell. The default user shell I am debating. Were I a plain user on solaris I would have to go beg root to change it for me (absent playing overhead incurring "exec" tricks in .profile) [21:40:21] <mlo> But I'm reading man filesystem now. Looking good. Thanks [21:41:32] <Error_e^ipi> why would a sysadmin leave a user with the default shell? [21:41:45] <Auralis> on solaris its roots job not to be stupid and present the user with the stoneage default sh, as for not allowing the user to change it, look at it from a corporate security point of view [21:42:56] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [21:43:38] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC [21:44:40] <Error_e^ipi> doesn't have to be root's job [21:45:23] <Error_e^ipi> just anyone with that role [21:46:55] <mlo> OK, the role concept etc. I will go look into later. I am not yet a SELinux user therefore I am only familar with the traditional concepts. [21:48:09] *** Alukard_Belmont has quit IRC [21:52:03] <axisys_> say i have a process taking 50% CPU per prstat flapping between the states cpu0/cpu1/sleep.. i have two 2.4Ghz cpus.. how much cpu resource is it taking? 1.2 or 2.4Ghz? [21:52:10] *** tsoome has quit IRC [21:55:26] *** justin has joined #opensolaris [21:55:51] <andersmo> prstat accounts cpu time across all cpus, so it's taking 50% of all the available cpu time, i.e. one of the two. [21:56:47] <axisys_> andersmo: thnx [21:58:39] <axisys_> also i see load avg per prstat is 2.5.. hmm.. maan splunk takes a lot of resources [21:59:34] <axisys_> wow splunkd now came down to 25% and la is now 1.23 .. i guess it had lot of fresh data to index.. [21:59:37] <mlo> Ok, now reading though the filesystem manpage, is there an universally accepted value for $PATH, in particular since there are so many bin directories that seem to have various versions of the same basic utilities? [22:00:20] <Auralis> nope, everyone does it like they need it, universal is just not to included /usr/ucb unless needed [22:01:56] <Auralis> all that stuff is there for combatibility with the myriads of standards, not for everyone to use all the time. more like if you need to follow standard xyz included that dir with that programs etc [22:04:20] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [22:04:53] <kAv_> mlo : the basic concept is /usr/bin /usr/sbin in the classic manner of native binaries then /usr/sfw/bin for the extra freeware and /opt/csw if you are gonna use pkg-get from blastwave [22:04:58] <kAv_> correct me if i am wrong guys [22:08:18] <Error_e^ipi> i don't have /usr/sfw in my path [22:08:33] <Error_e^ipi> i don't want GNU crap messing with my regular stuff [22:08:50] <mlo> kAv_: So why /opt/csw/bin and /opt/csw/(apache2|gcc|bdb4|kde-gcc|whatnot)/bin ? [22:08:54] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [22:09:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [22:09:32] <Auralis> /opt is systemv standard, the standard says to put the stuff in individual dires into /opt [22:09:41] <kAv_> error : i am using /usr/sfw/ for the ipmitool [22:10:16] <mlo> Auralis, that yields /opt/*/bin, as opposed to /opt/*/*/bin, no ? [22:12:01] <Auralis> well, thats sorta murky waters, originaly it meaned /opt/app/{bin|lib|etc} and so on [22:13:45] <Auralis> i personaly throw all the self build stuff into /opt/bin, /opt/lib instead of /usr/local [22:15:22] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [22:16:28] *** dunc has quit IRC [22:19:05] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [22:19:58] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [22:20:46] <axisys_> how to i start a process with cpu limit on sol 10.. i am not using zone .. i know how to limit cpu resource for a zone.. but not sure hwo to do it for a specific process [22:21:18] *** lloy0706 has joined #opensolaris [22:21:27] *** lloy0706 is now known as lloy0076 [22:23:56] *** jcea has left #opensolaris [22:24:51] <dclarke> axisys_ : what are you looking for .. for a process to run .. but gently ? [22:25:10] <dclarke> try /bin/priocntl -e -c FX -m 0 -p 0 foo [22:25:15] *** justin has quit IRC [22:25:27] <dclarke> read man priocntl [22:26:20] <axisys_> dclarke: yes [22:26:37] <axisys_> dclarke: so either use priocntl or newtask [22:26:38] <axisys_> ? [22:26:53] <dclarke> here http://www.blastwave.org/man/priocntl_1.html [22:27:24] <dclarke> but if you want to restrict a given process to a particular processor or set of procs then you need pset [22:27:35] <dclarke> other than that .. I'm at a loss [22:28:29] <axisys_> i want to use FSS [22:28:38] <axisys_> and give 50% cpu to a process [22:29:03] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [22:29:58] <dclarke> axisys_ : thats a toughie [22:30:24] <axisys_> dclarke: i just found an example on brendan's page http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/zones.html [22:30:30] <axisys_> with apache.. [22:30:39] <dclarke> that does not yet exist in production Solaris .. it may be in the beta .. somewhere [22:30:46] <axisys_> /usr/bin/newtask -p workproj1 /lib/svc/method/http-apache2 start [22:30:47] <dclarke> is he cool or what ? [22:30:56] <axisys_> he is damn cool [22:31:08] *** Jarkandu has joined #opensolaris [22:31:32] <axisys_> so now i have to change the init script and create a projetc workproj1 .. he has an example of that too [22:32:10] <kAv_> dclarke : you could always get solaris resource management [22:32:13] * kAv_ hides [22:32:15] <axisys_> his example for the workproj1 deals w/ memory.. but i am sure i an slap in the cpu resources [22:32:45] <axisys_> i think there is a sun blue print w/ an example for oracle process.. [22:32:52] <axisys_> cool .. i am set.. thnx guys [22:35:10] *** Jarkandu has quit IRC [22:38:25] *** sartek has joined #opensolaris [22:38:30] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [22:40:58] <mlo> Now has anyone seen ZFS + Samba + ACL's in action already ? Theres this comment in the blogs that it will be in 3.0.24, but the mailing list posting this points to is actually about an implementation for gpfs ACLs, which seems to be some IBM cluster filesystem... [22:42:30] <jamesd> mlo, i have tried zfs and acls.. they work fine.. haven't used samba but its on my list of things to do. [22:44:44] <sahafeez> dclarke: website fixed? [22:44:55] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [22:47:48] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [22:49:51] <dclarke> sahafeez : thanks for asking .. and no .. not yet [22:52:18] *** Kernel86|Laptop has joined #OpenSolaris [22:53:20] <sahafeez> just came up for me .. [22:53:29] *** mlo has quit IRC [22:54:19] <sahafeez> dclarke: comes up fast. [22:54:36] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:56:32] <richlowe> mornin' Gman. [22:56:39] <Gman> hey richlowe [22:59:38] *** SymmHome has quit IRC [23:08:05] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris [23:08:27] *** Kernel86|Laptop has quit IRC [23:09:30] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [23:15:44] *** bondolo has quit IRC [23:16:17] <scode> What is the usual method people use to upgrade a Solaris Express Community Edition installation to the latest build? Invoke the installer from DVD and have it upgrade? [23:17:26] *** bougie has quit IRC [23:20:37] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [23:21:30] *** axisys_ has quit IRC [23:22:01] <jamesd> scode, keep your data away from your install and do a fresh install, or use bfu to do an install [23:23:06] <nachox> live update too right? [23:23:29] <jamesd> yeah, but i have never done it that way. [23:24:08] <CosmicDJ> I think the easiest option is to upgrade from dvd/cd [23:24:33] <scode> Alright. [23:24:36] <CosmicDJ> and IIRC bfu doesn't update everthing... [23:24:48] <richlowe> bfu only installs the bits you just built. [23:24:52] <scode> Re-install would be feasable, though slightly annoying since there's some configging to do that it would be nice not to have to script. [23:24:56] <jamesd> compukid, upgrade is not supported with SXCR releases. [23:24:59] <richlowe> as a percentage of the whole, I'm too lazy to do math. [23:25:04] <richlowe> so let's call it "not that much%" [23:25:30] <scode> Thanks. [23:27:46] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [23:29:56] *** pinskian has quit IRC [23:36:22] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [23:40:14] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [23:40:55] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:48:14] *** tsoome1 has quit IRC [23:52:39] <dclarke> hello .. who'a around ? [23:52:46] <dclarke> lot's o folks I guess [23:52:53] <Triskelios> heh [23:52:56] * dclarke shakes the bushes to knock the lurkers out [23:53:09] <trygvis> o/ [23:53:15] <dclarke> with mdb I can get memory stats with ::memstat [23:53:20] * jmcp thwaps dclarke [23:53:27] <dclarke> but there is a better way .. can't recall it [23:53:31] <jmcp> dclarke: there I was, happily lurking and coding... and you have to go and shake the tree [23:53:33] <dclarke> anyone recall ? [23:53:34] <jmcp> geeez :) [23:53:37] * andersmo crawls back under his bushes. Bedtime now. =) [23:53:49] <dclarke> jmcp .. sorry dude [23:54:16] <jmcp> dclarke: ::kmastat and ::vmem [23:54:27] <dclarke> bingo [23:54:43] <dclarke> excellent [ insert George Burns voice from Simpsons ] [23:55:12] <silk> Monty perhaps? [23:55:41] <dclarke> Monty? .. yeah .. him [23:55:49] <dclarke> sorry .. I don't watch TV really [23:57:04] <jmcp> how about virtually? [23:57:09] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [23:58:24] <dclarke> um .. I do not dream of TV [23:58:41] <dclarke> heck .. I have one here .. once upon a time I had it on its side [23:58:50] <dclarke> back in the bachelor days [23:59:22] <dclarke> if anyone asked what was going on with the sideways TV .. I'd simply replay that I was looking for a use for it and this way it can hold up a plant higher