[00:07:04] <sommerfeld> that's probably not enough.
[00:07:15] <richlowe> I'm not so sure.
[00:07:17] <terver2> damn..
[00:07:56] <richlowe> but my workspaces have zfs compression (and I'm still waiting on du, too)
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[00:08:18] <terver2> and there is no way to determin how much time will it take to the end?.. maybe somehow from ptree output
[00:09:26] <terver2> as i see it's building  libldap5 now..
[00:09:49] <richlowe> then it's got ~ the other half of libs/ and all of cmd/ to go.
[00:09:59] <richlowe> (and lint, and check, if they're enabled)
[00:10:14] <richlowe> doh, 'lib' not 'libs'
[00:11:16] <terver2> hm, and we have 636Mb..
[00:11:33] <terver2> abandon ship?..
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[00:40:41] <Doc> what the hell.. SUNW got to 6.25?
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[00:44:15] <Kmays> waiting for SXCR b56 myself...
[00:44:31] <richlowe> 55, surely.
[00:45:19] <Triskelios> maybe he has open bugs in 55 =P
[00:47:11] * Triskelios still hasn't figured out how to access the CF card (pcata) he plugged in last night
[00:47:32] <Triskelios> it didn't create anything under /dev/dsk...
[00:47:59] <tomww> which OS release do you run?
[00:48:12] <Kmays> Xorg 7.2 (supposedly)
[00:49:22] <Triskelios> I'm not sure they'll get DRI fixed for Xorg 7.2 by the next release...
[00:49:34] <Triskelios> tomww, who are you asking?
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[00:53:59] <Kmays> Oh..there were two features I was looking into which were the SATA AHCI driver and Xorg 7.2... so DRI is buggy?
[00:55:26] <Triskelios> DRI right now uses an old libdrm interface which needs to be converted to the newer one
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[01:01:43] <alanc> Kmays: 7.2 didn't make b56
[01:02:45] <alanc> I posted the X change list for b56 about an hour ago at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/changelogs-nv_50/
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[01:03:23] <Tpenta> is the 56 sourec available?
[01:03:38] <Tpenta> for ON I mean
[01:04:00] <alanc> aren't ON doing a respin for 56 right now?
[01:04:13] <alanc> to pull in the changes from the 55b respin
[01:04:26] <Tpenta> I hadnt checked
[01:04:39] <richlowe> Tpenta: No, it shouldn't be.
[01:04:45] <Tpenta> waiting for bringover permission on 56
[01:05:07] <Tpenta> after the 55/55a source tree cock up
[01:05:26] <richlowe> normally, the build snapshot deliveries are made when the build is absolutely final.
[01:05:34] <Tpenta> I know
[01:05:35] <Tpenta> :)
[01:05:37] <richlowe> (though with 55, I guess it didn't quite manage)
[01:05:45] <Tpenta> I shoudl write a cron job to check the access list
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[02:02:59] <overseer> does SXCR:54 include ZFS support?
[02:03:13] <Stric> yes
[02:03:18] <jamesd> yes
[02:03:25] <jamesd> and iscsi over  zfs
[02:03:50] <overseer> zfs over iscsi sounds neater, you sure it isn't that?
[02:04:13] <Stric> well.. both :)
[02:04:16] <jamesd> thats allready availble..
[02:04:40] <jamesd> iscsi over zfs intergrated recently.. it makes iscsi over zfs  as simple has nfs over zfs
[02:05:07] <overseer> oh, ok, so it's iscsi targets on zfs ?
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[02:05:49] <jamesd> i think so, i always get  initator  vs  targets mixed up
[02:06:00] <overseer> initiators want data, targets have the data
[02:06:16] <jamesd> okay yes then you are correct.
[02:06:58] <overseer> cool.   i'm mostly a linux buff, but i have a Usparc5 box sitting around and thought it might be easy to setup and play with.  am I deluding myself?
[02:07:23] <_syphilis_> i think you mean U5.. there is no ultrasparc 5 :)
[02:08:04] <overseer> it says 'ultra 5' on it :)  i assumed it's got the word sparc in there somewhere
[02:08:49] <jbk> well there is, just dunno if it ever actually taped out or not..
[02:08:53] <jbk> or was
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[02:09:46] <edwardocallaghan> Hi al
[02:09:47] <edwardocallaghan> *all
[02:09:54] <jamesd> wb edwardocallaghan
[02:10:12] <overseer> so, no opinions on difficulty installing a U5 with the latest SXCR ?
[02:11:09] <edwardocallaghan> Should install fine ?
[02:12:31] <edwardocallaghan> What do you guys think of SELinux
[02:14:21] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, not as good as  trusted solaris,  and lacks auditing, so whats good with all the rules when someone may be abusing them anyway because you have no way to check
[02:15:05] <edwardocallaghan> I think it's a load of crap
[02:15:22] <edwardocallaghan> lol then sort sort there kernel out
[02:15:51] <yarihm> the question is a bit laughable i guess, but what is the best way to shut down a solaris machine
[02:16:01] <_syphilis_> shutdown -i0 -g0 -y
[02:16:20] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[02:16:21] <yarihm> what's the difference between this and "halt"?
[02:16:26] <Auralis> shutdown -y -i5  if your system supports software poweroff
[02:16:53] <_syphilis_> yari: halt does very little other than stop the kernel.  shutdown causes proper shutdown sequence to be run
[02:18:37] <Stric> init 5/init 6  does pretty much the same as the shutdown, but is asfaster to type
[02:18:47] <richlowe> 5, not 0.
[02:18:52] <richlowe> 0 is 'shutdown to prom'
[02:19:03] <richlowe> (which on x86 leaves you staring at a 'press any key to reboot' type message, iirc)
[02:19:06] <Auralis> 5 is poweroff
[02:20:34] <yarihm> it's an E3000, might that support poweroff?
[02:20:44] <jbk> should
[02:20:54] <edwardocallaghan> On Linux 5 is GUI login, what's that on Solaris ?
[02:20:59] <Auralis> 3
[02:21:03] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[02:21:12] <edwardocallaghan> Then what's text mode ?
[02:21:31] <edwardocallaghan> Oh dear I got some learning to do !
[02:21:36] <Stric> "On Linux" was a pretty broad generalization
[02:21:45] <edwardocallaghan> True
[02:21:51] <Auralis> yarihm: sorta, using the key to turn of the power supplie sist left
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[02:21:53] <Stric> you probably mean "on the redhat version I'm running now"
[02:22:00] <edwardocallaghan> But I am sure you know what I mean
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[02:22:28] <edwardocallaghan> I'm not running Red Hat at the moment ?
[02:22:33] <Auralis> edwardocallaghan: for text mode you either disable the gui login or switch from gui to command line
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[02:22:48] <edwardocallaghan> OK
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[02:23:00] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:when your around let me know
[02:28:43] <edwardocallaghan> Any one used CoolStack before ?
[02:29:13] * Auralis is using the gcc with the sparc code generator backend
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[02:39:38] <edwardocallaghan> http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/ I kind of need help with this
[02:39:55] <_syphilis_> edw: try asking a vaguer question
[02:40:12] <edwardocallaghan> What is the proper why to set up Apache with PHP & MySQL on Sol10 ?
[02:40:27] <edwardocallaghan> lol yes sorry
[02:41:06] <edwardocallaghan> could some one point me to the right place on docs.sun.com so I can just read the whole PDF
[02:47:29] <delewis> hmm, sweet.
[02:47:35] <delewis> looks like they finally ported SAS to Solaris.
[02:47:56] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: grab the PHP source and build it against the Apache 2.x that's installed with Solaris.
[02:48:12] <delewis> MySQL 4.x is already included. If you require 5.x, grab the source and build that, as well.
[02:48:47] <Kmays> why not grab CSQamp??
[02:49:21] <delewis> that would work, too (I just found at about coolstack)
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[02:58:13] <edwardocallaghan> Hi delewis !
[02:58:39] <edwardocallaghan> I got a cool stack but I need help setting ther services setup right
[02:58:52] <edwardocallaghan> How do I setup MySQL to start ?
[02:59:40] <delewis> you'll probably need to write your own init script
[02:59:57] <delewis> (or copy and modify someone else's)
[03:00:20] <delewis> there's some mysqld_start command or something that you can use to start and stop MySQL
[03:00:21] <edwardocallaghan> Hmm that's sounds fun ! I would love to learn, how do I start ?
[03:00:34] <edwardocallaghan> brb
[03:07:49] <edwardocallaghan> back
[03:08:15] <edwardocallaghan> So how do I make my own init scripts delewis ?
[03:12:18] <steleman> \/var/svc/manifest
[03:12:25] <steleman> \/lib/svc/method
[03:13:01] <steleman> and you also need vi
[03:13:22] <edwardocallaghan> I know how to use vi
[03:13:25] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: Ack
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[03:14:49] <steleman> my advice is to set create_default_instance enabled='false'
[03:15:01] <steleman> and then enable it manually
[03:15:43] <Kmays> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/GNOME/gnome_2.16.2_000.png
[03:15:56] <Kmays> I love the wallpaper
[03:16:01] <boyd> Not only your advice. Generally recommended. See, e.g. http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/selfheal/sdev_intro.html
[03:16:24] <steleman> oh. i never read that. *great minds think alike*. :-D
[03:16:43] * boyd doesn't mention "Fools never differ" :)
[03:17:26] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:Hi welcome ?
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[03:17:40] <boyd> Hey, edwardocallaghan
[03:20:13] <Tpenta> s/never/seldom/p boyd
[03:20:14] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:http://developers.sun.com/channel/12_05/index.jsp This is funny
[03:20:38] <boyd> Tpenta: You must have better quality fools up your way :)
[03:20:47] <Tpenta> :-D
[03:21:44] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: Looks interesting. Shame they've decided to explicitly exclude my browser from watching it.
[03:21:49] <edwardocallaghan> I am a small admin
[03:22:06] <edwardocallaghan> What's your browser ?
[03:22:13] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: it's not difficult to setup the SMF scripts
[03:22:24] <boyd> Safari right now... I'm about ot try Firefox
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[03:22:41] <steleman> Try Firefox. Watch your Xorg do an Oprah. Crash.
[03:22:54] <boyd> Not so much Xorg on this here mac
[03:23:05] <edwardocallaghan> Safari is retarded, use firefox
[03:23:16] <steleman> oi. firefox on Mac. i fix my mom's firefox on mac every weekend.
[03:23:34] <steleman> it's lovely
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[03:23:44] <boyd> Works fine for me. I frequenlty have > 1 month uptimes on mac FF
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[03:24:07] <edwardocallaghan> aren't mac's BSD ?
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[03:24:20] <boyd> Part of the OS is derived from FreeBSD, yes
[03:24:22] <edwardocallaghan> I wish Sun would bring out a x86 laptop
[03:24:25] <steleman> i'm seriously considering putting my mom on Linux because this Mac has seroiusly sucked from day one
[03:24:28] <boyd> but that's not == BSD
[03:24:43] * boyd raises eyebrows at steleman
[03:24:49] <edwardocallaghan> yea I know, like there X11 is different ect...
[03:24:52] <Volkodav> linux is not ready for mom's
[03:25:05] <edwardocallaghan> Linux is not ready for anything
[03:25:05] <boyd> For mom's what?
[03:25:06] <steleman> kernel on Mac is not BSD kernel it's Mach
[03:25:30] <steleman> i've had consistent 6 months uptimes with this laptop which runs SuSE
[03:25:43] <edwardocallaghan> Linux is ready for a old x86 you found on the street
[03:26:03] <boyd> Why do Sun insist on making all their interesting video presentation so hard to view?
[03:26:12] <edwardocallaghan> I am using Linux now
[03:26:15] <Volkodav> it runs on my microwave too
[03:26:36] <edwardocallaghan> lol is that WiFi Microware :D
[03:26:37] <Volkodav> Sun is a bitch
[03:26:48] <edwardocallaghan> Well they are both on 2.458GHz
[03:26:49] <steleman> can i NFS mount the microwave ?
[03:26:51] <boyd> MacOS X runs on my microwave. Well, on *top* of my microwave. Is that the same thing?
[03:27:03] <Volkodav> spent too much money on nothing
[03:27:20] <edwardocallaghan> yes & yes oh & oh dear
[03:27:41] <boyd> zsh: command not found: oh
[03:27:55] <Volkodav> does vlc run on solaris/
[03:28:06] <Volkodav> ?
[03:29:24] <edwardocallaghan> yes
[03:29:37] <edwardocallaghan> You can complie it or get it from blastware
[03:29:53] <Volkodav> I get the best sound og this sucker for some reason
[03:30:19] <edwardocallaghan> That does not make sense to me sorry ?
[03:30:36] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: That host guy's accent is a weird hybrid of South Aftrican & North American
[03:31:29] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry ?
[03:31:40] <edwardocallaghan> I am confused now
[03:32:21] <Volkodav> boyd - what the heck are you talking about?
[03:32:45] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: That video you pointed me at. The host has a strange accent
[03:33:04] <edwardocallaghan> Is there no proper PDF on docs.sun.com to build up a Apache , PHP & MySQL server from a default Solaris 10 install ?
[03:33:15] <edwardocallaghan> oh yea
[03:33:18] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry
[03:33:37] <edwardocallaghan> Why do they keep doing that room thing, its really strange
[03:33:44] <edwardocallaghan> *zoom
[03:34:02] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: Apache builds pretty easily on Solaris, MySQL is moderately bitchy and PHP is plain torture
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[03:35:47] <edwardocallaghan> I got PHP and Apache going
[03:36:00] <edwardocallaghan> But MySQL, how the hell do I start it?
[03:36:11] <edwardocallaghan> its installed in /usr/local
[03:36:20] <edwardocallaghan> I am sure its not hard
[03:36:58] <edwardocallaghan> I just need to be told the program(service) that I put 'start' after ?
[03:37:05] <steleman> ${MYSQL}/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql --datadir=${DB_DIR} ${MYSQL_SERVER_ARGS} --pid-file=${PIDFILE} > /dev/null &
[03:37:23] <_syphilis_> you'd be better putting those args in my.cnf
[03:37:28] <dwc-> yes, put those in my.cnf
[03:37:29] <lloy0076> Has anyone run vmware in a BrandZ zone?
[03:37:38] <dwc-> and there's a rather useful script in the contrib directory
[03:37:43] <dwc-> that is usable as an init script
[03:38:06] <dwc-> mysql.server I think it is
[03:38:21] <lloy0076> If you installed the MySQL 5 package on a version of Solaris that is using SMF instead of RC files, you will find that the package installed an SMF manifest for MySQL 5, and you can see the state of the service by using this command:
[03:38:26] <lloy0076> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/samp_setup.html
[03:38:39] <lloy0076> If you've gotten the latest MySQL package, it should be integrated fairly well with SMF.
[03:38:44] <_syphilis_> llot: didn't do that for me
[03:38:49] <_syphilis_> must be added in quite a recent version
[03:39:15] <_syphilis_> oh, this is sun's stuff
[03:39:16] <lloy0076> How about: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/mysql_smf_tip.html
[03:39:45] <lloy0076> That shows how one can get it into SMF. I managed to do that with MySQL 4.X (and I had NFI what SMF was at the time :P)
[03:40:40] <_syphilis_> "Create the config file /opt/csw/mysql5/my.cnf, " config files in /opt, what?
[03:42:01] <lloy0076> MySQL isn't exactly compliant with SQL or any other standards...
[03:42:10] * lloy0076 sigh
[03:42:13] <_syphilis_> mysql packages installed my.cnf in /etc as it should be
[03:42:16] <Gr|ffous> Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here? I'm trying to upgrade opera on this box: http://rafb.net/p/7EXrVd37.html
[03:42:16] <_syphilis_> (the official packages)
[03:42:21] <lloy0076> Postgres behaves itself much more nicely.
[03:42:23] <_syphilis_> so that's csw's fault, not mysql's
[03:43:28] <lloy0076> Gr|ffous: Tried just pkgrm opera ??
[03:43:47] <Gr|ffous> yup: pkgrm: ERROR: no package associated with <opera>
[03:44:11] * lloy0076 looks up "How to Administer Windows^WSolaris"
[03:44:22] <lloy0076> Gr|ffous: It says...reinstall the system :P
[03:44:43] <lloy0076> It would seem the command you're using is correct.
[03:44:46] <Gr|ffous> funnily enough, that's how I upgraded last time
[03:45:03] <Gr|ffous> though the reason for the re-install wasn't opera, it was LU not quite working nicely
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[03:48:46] <Gr|ffous> OH!, it's O9, not 09
[03:48:50] <Gr|ffous> !%$#@%
[03:49:43] <lloy0076> lol
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[03:53:42] <Stric> 1 vs l is an old classic in some fonts too
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[03:53:59] <_syphilis_> gcc -O9 -fomit-instructions!
[03:54:22] <steleman> 64-bit build of QT started at 21:52:57
[03:54:35] <lloy0076> errk @ kde
[03:54:42] <lloy0076> I really don't like the look of KDE.
[03:54:45] <overseer> gcc -O99 -fomit-functions
[03:55:08] <steleman> that's ok lloyd, kde doesn't like you either
[03:55:18] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:55:20] <dlg> gcc -Omg-optmimised
[03:55:51] <steleman> nah this is with studio 11
[03:56:02] <steleman> and -xO5 + stuff
[03:56:07] <Gr|ffous> seriously, thought why would you call version 9 of Opera O(h)9opera, rather then something like opera(#)09
[03:56:14] <_syphilis_> dlg: optimised for magnesium?
[03:56:34] <edwardocallaghan> So I installed CSQamp and Apache seems to be fine, do I just do this "(02:36:58 AM) steleman: ${MYSQL}/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql --datadir=${DB_DIR} ${MYSQL_SERVER_ARGS} --pid-file=${PIDFILE} > /dev/null &" To get MySQL working ?
[03:56:49] <_syphilis_> edw: you really want to put those in my.cnf
[03:56:49] <dlg> _syphilis_: something like that
[03:57:05] <steleman> for any given value of ${MYSQL}
[03:57:13] <edwardocallaghan> my.cnf ?
[03:57:22] <_syphilis_> the mysql configuration file
[03:57:34] <_syphilis_> i recommend reading the mysql admin manual a bit before using it, otherwise you might be sad
[03:57:51] <edwardocallaghan> What value all I know is its installed in /usr/local I don't know how to start it :/
[03:58:05] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: did you initialize mysql first ?
[03:58:24] <edwardocallaghan> ? I can use it on Linux, easy there
[03:58:27] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: In /usr/local/mysql/support-files/  ...
[03:58:38] <lloy0076> ...there should be a script called mysql.server
[03:58:46] <_syphilis_> you can't be using it very much on linux if you never edited the config file :)
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[03:58:49] <lloy0076> Generally that will get the mysql start incantation right for you.
[03:59:21] <edwardocallaghan> I will have another look when I get back to the system
[03:59:52] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: if you built MySQL yourself, take a look in the test directory. there are a bunch of scripts files there, and one of them initializes MySQL
[03:59:55] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: ...of course /usr/local/mysql could be *anywhere* on your system depending on where it actually is.
[04:00:19] <edwardocallaghan> Who maintains this page: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/index.html ?
[04:00:52] <edwardocallaghan> I really would like a little documentation on the package
[04:00:54] <Error_404> *yawn* evening all
[04:01:01] <steleman> hiya error :-)
[04:01:08] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
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[04:01:30] <_syphilis_> this is all documented in the mysql manual
[04:01:34] <edwardocallaghan> Error Will Robinson
[04:01:51] <edwardocallaghan> It did not setup any man pages
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[04:02:06] <edwardocallaghan> I don't yet get the Sun packaging system
[04:02:27] <edwardocallaghan> In Linux you just do yum install httpd and you get Apache
[04:02:50] <Stric> yum: Command not found  (linux) .. ;)
[04:03:11] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: yes but you do not know the wonderful things happening inside yum.
[04:03:19] <edwardocallaghan> lol sorry I was referring to RPM's :p
[04:03:38] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I can you rpm
[04:03:39] <steleman> yum is but a prelude to the unknown song called "rpm".
[04:04:03] <edwardocallaghan> rpm -qa | grep something
[04:04:07] <edwardocallaghan> I know I know
[04:04:16] <Error_404> rpm was a pretty close model of SVR packages back in the 5.x days
[04:04:23] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: I've found that the Sun packaging tools have a tedency not to hold one's hand as much as apt or yum.
[04:04:26] <edwardocallaghan> I can use Linux well but I am learning Solaris
[04:04:35] <Error_404> s/hold one's hand/break one's system
[04:04:37] <edwardocallaghan> Yes indeed
[04:04:54] <steleman> rpm is similar to pkgadd
[04:04:59] <edwardocallaghan> That's fine for me
[04:05:01] <lloy0076> Error_404: If you know what you're doing, apt on Debian GNU/Linux is unlikely to break a server system.
[04:05:46] <lloy0076> Error_404: The problem with apt is that it makes anyone think they can be a system administrator and not understand what the various scripts and such are actually doing...
[04:05:57] <lloy0076> Error_404: Which will get you whatever system you happen  to be trying to administer/use.
[04:06:00] <edwardocallaghan> But I am some what surprised that there is no one PDF that gets you setup a SAMP server from docs.sun.com ?
[04:06:02] <steleman> apt is only for the initiated.
[04:06:19] <steleman> hence its name.
[04:06:22] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: PHP isn't shipped with any Sun product, so why would there be a doc on docs.sun.com?
[04:06:25] <Error_404> edwardocallaghan: step one, edit your httpd.conf
[04:06:38] <Error_404> step 2, enable it, it's in svcs
[04:07:03] <edwardocallaghan> I know how to do that, it works that's not what I am asking !
[04:07:06] <lloy0076> Shit
[04:07:10] * lloy0076 has something on the stove
[04:07:19] <Error_404> and now it's on fire
[04:07:32] <edwardocallaghan> Cool
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[04:07:40] <steleman> apt turn-off-burning-schnitzel
[04:07:53] <edwardocallaghan> Now Apache is working after the google'th time
[04:08:01] <lloy0076> lol
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[04:08:19] <Error_404> it's also in blastwave, sunfreeware, you can compile it, etc
[04:08:48] <edwardocallaghan> MySQL is the problem and I am using CSQamp and that's meant to make it easy
[04:08:52] * lloy0076 LLOY0076 vs THE OPENSOLARIS FOUNDATION - "That #OpenSolaris Distracted Him Long Enough to Cause a House Fire"
[04:09:12] <edwardocallaghan> Yes we know, httpd is not a big deal I mastered that when I was 12
[04:09:32] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[04:09:35] <_syphilis_> isn't hubris a sin?
[04:10:50] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: You could just install a Centos 3.8 BrandZ zone and use yum to install MySQL on Linux...
[04:10:51] <steleman> we are all sinners.
[04:10:52] * lloy0076 evil grin
[04:12:00] <edwardocallaghan> No way !
[04:12:12] <edwardocallaghan> I am trying to learn Solaris here
[04:12:30] <edwardocallaghan> So if you don't know the answer then don't make stuff up
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[04:13:00] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: I obviously do know the answer, and I thought I pointed out a number of documents that could have been helpful.
[04:13:03] <_syphilis_> if you really want to learn you might want to reconsider what you know and what you've mastered based on more than the ability to "yum install mysql"
[04:13:05] <edwardocallaghan> Its simple when you know how, it just want to start a %^&* service
[04:13:08] <_syphilis_> just imho.
[04:13:26] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: and I told you
[04:13:27] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[04:13:30] <delewis> create an init script
[04:13:38] <edwardocallaghan> I am reading pages
[04:13:39] <delewis> and throw it in the appropriate rc*.d directory.
[04:13:48] <lloy0076> delewis: Does that still work?
[04:13:58] <edwardocallaghan> yes it does
[04:13:59] <delewis> uh, why wouldn't it?
[04:14:00] <lloy0076> delewis: I thought SMF kinda did away with that...
[04:14:09] <delewis> lloy0076: no.
[04:14:16] <delewis> init scripts still work fine.
[04:14:22] <lloy0076> No idea why it owuldn't work. It just never occurred to me to try it.
[04:14:23] <edwardocallaghan> I know but I need to find the file that starts the service
[04:14:38] <delewis> lloy0076: look in /etc/init.d at the number of init scripts still lying around.
[04:14:51] <edwardocallaghan> Its not part of Solaris
[04:15:04] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: uh, create one?
[04:15:18] <delewis> all you have to do is call the mysqld_start daemon or whatever it is.
[04:15:31] <steleman> eddwardocallaghan: if you just compiled this bunch there's no SMF manifest for it, so that might be the reason why you can't find it
[04:16:33] <lloy0076> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/unix-post-installation.html
[04:17:16] <lloy0076> If push comes to shove and you can't work out where the world it's installed it, then: cd / && find . | grep mysqld
[04:17:21] <Stric> lloy0076: svcs|grep legacy
[04:17:25] <lloy0076> That would be awfully slow but it would work.
[04:17:32] <edwardocallaghan> This is the package (CSQamp) it has no doc's and its readme files don't tell http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/index.html so I know nothing about how it would work with SMF or init or what ever
[04:17:43] <delewis> or just grep for CSQmysql (or whatever it is) in /var/adm/package/contents
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[04:18:05] <delewis>  /var/sadm/install/contents*
[04:18:18] <edwardocallaghan> I know its installed in /usr/local
[04:18:26] <edwardocallaghan> I am in a loop here
[04:18:59] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: In /usr/local, is there a directory called mysql? i.e. is /usr/local/mysql a directory?
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[04:19:36] <edwardocallaghan> yes
[04:19:57] <Error_404> i'm relatively certain that SX:CR ships with mysql already installed
[04:20:03] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: Ok, in /usr/local/mysql is there a directory called "support-files".
[04:20:03] <Error_404> i know that postgres is
[04:20:12] <lloy0076> Error_404: It does but it's MySQL 4.0.X.
[04:20:23] <delewis> which *cough* isn't a real RDBMS :-)
[04:20:34] <Error_404> delewis: which, mysql or postgresql?
[04:20:39] <LeftWing> Whereas the PostgreSQL version that's shipped (8.1) is actually useful.
[04:20:40] <lloy0076> delewis: Agreed - mysql 4.0.X is an abomination.
[04:20:41] <delewis> Error_404: MySQL-4.x
[04:20:48] <edwardocallaghan> if (n >= google) get server up else -1 and ask another question that's almost the same as the last one
[04:20:48] <delewis> no triggers :-(
[04:21:16] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: Is there a directory called supprt-files in /usr/local/mysql/ ????
[04:21:24] * delewis wishes there was an Oracle XE for Solaris
[04:21:36] <LeftWing> Yeah, I'm surprised that there isn't.
[04:21:37] <Error_404> LeftWing: what i don't get is why the postgres that comes with solaris doesn't include dtrace
[04:21:44] <edwardocallaghan> I don't know I'll have to setup a test server here as I am not at the system now
[04:21:45] <lloy0076> delewis: And transactions - who needs transactions? :(
[04:21:48] <LeftWing> Error_404: Because that DTrace stuff came in to 8.2 I believe.
[04:21:50] <delewis> LeftWing: indeed, it'd certainly put a hole in the PostgreSQL/MySQL market there.
[04:22:03] <LeftWing> delewis: Well, I don't know about that.
[04:22:08] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: If there is, then there's a script in that directory called mysql.server ...
[04:22:11] <steleman> MySQL5 is another abomination
[04:22:16] <jamesd> Error_404, its comming i guess they haven't got it in yet.. the code is being worked on if not complete.
[04:22:29] <delewis> LeftWing: Oracle XE is pretty ideal for a web server-like environment that you find PostgreSQL and MySQL to be popular in.
[04:22:36] <delewis> and you still get a lot of the Oracle functionality.
[04:22:36] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: In which case /usr/local/mysql/support-files/mysql.server start | restart | stop will start or stop the service...
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[04:23:13] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: The others are saying that if you can get that script called with the right arguments with SMF or an RC script in /etc/rc* you'll be fine.
[04:23:30] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: If that script doesn't exist, then you'll have to do a full mysld_safe incantation...
[04:23:30] <LeftWing> delewis: Fair enough.  I don't think it'll drastically hit the market share of pgsql or mysql, though.
[04:23:42] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: (in which case it would be best to lookup the docs to do that)
[04:23:50] <delewis> LeftWing: if it call came to practicality, it would. Unfortunately, you've also got religion involved.
[04:24:06] <delewis> s/call/all/
[04:24:31] <LeftWing> How resource-heavy is XE?
[04:24:39] <lloy0076> heh@oracle
[04:25:09] <delewis> LeftWing: not too bad, I would guess, given you don't have a lot of the additions that are in Enterprise.
[04:25:14] <delewis> like Enterprise Manager, etc.
[04:25:27] <lloy0076> I had an application that was running on two processors. Oracle quotes me $X. IBM DB2 quotes me $X/2. I go back to Oracle. Oracle adjusts their quote to be $X/2.
[04:25:32] <delewis> Oracle, itself, isn't that bad for a small database. It's all of the extra services that become quite hefty.
[04:25:45] <lloy0076> I'm like: WTF, you can just drop the price by 2? :(
[04:25:48] <delewis> lloy0076: that's pretty common.
[04:25:58] <delewis> threaten Oracle with a DB2 purchase and they always do that.
[04:26:13] <edwardocallaghan> OK thanks I'll try that in a sec
[04:26:22] <edwardocallaghan> I am getting my test server up
[04:26:27] <lloy0076> DB2 eventually won out because we went to an IBM hardware solution too and I got IBM to discountit further.
[04:26:42] <delewis> or if you're FedEx (when FedEx when with Sybase back in the mid-90s), Oracle just drops you and picks up UPS for all shipping, instead. :-)
[04:26:50] <delewis> s/when/went/
[04:28:02] <LeftWing> haha
[04:28:09] <LeftWing> It must be great to have that much money. ;P
[04:28:23] <delewis> and yes, that's true. Oracle had completely gone with UPS by the next day.
[04:28:51] <lloy0076> heh
[04:30:34] <delewis> my problem with DB2 is the lack of a development stack -- it has nothing like Oracle has, though, Oracle has some annoying cruft of its own, IMO *cough* TNS *cough*
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[04:31:45] <lloy0076> delewis: We went to a DB2 or Oracle because it was less hassle trying to explain to customers what DB2 and Oracle is than Postgresql.
[04:32:04] <lloy0076> delewis: People would go "What's Postgresql" but the moment you mention IBM or Oracle they'd just assume it works.
[04:32:07] <lloy0076> *heh*
[04:32:34] <jbk> heh db2 connect seems to piss me off on a regular basis
[04:32:44] <delewis> well, PostgreSQL still has very meager replication functionality and zero partitioning capabilities.
[04:32:55] <delewis> which pretty much makes it useless in a large database environment.
[04:33:15] <delewis> and that's something Oracle and especially, DB2, and have been on top of for years.
[04:33:18] <jbk> heh.. you'd be surprised about some of the large databases that don't use replication or partitioning :)
[04:33:32] <Stric> 8.X can split out tables to different places if that's what you mean
[04:33:34] <jbk> or you might cry..
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[04:33:51] <delewis> jbk: not really. Oracle is big enough, so of course, you're going to have DBAs running around that aren't using all of its functionality.
[04:33:58] <lloy0076> select count(cia.weapons_of_mass_destruction) from WMD where country_id="iraq";
[04:34:04] <lloy0076> Result (0 rows returned).
[04:34:09] <delewis> Stric: to different 'places' meaning tablespaces or different systems?
[04:34:32] <Stric> delewis: you can put table blah in /crap and table bleh in /goodstuff
[04:34:54] <delewis> what kind of granularity? tables or rows?
[04:35:08] <jbk> i think delewis is talking at the row level
[04:35:19] <jbk> split the rows out to different locations based on a column value
[04:35:20] <Stric> tables
[04:35:44] <delewis> you can tell Oracle to throw table "bar" on systems larry, moe, and curly where each system has 10,000 rows of the 30,000 row foo table.
[04:35:53] <delewis> Stric: yeah, that's not partitioning.
[04:36:09] <delewis> and last time I checked, all the developers working on partitioning had either died or gave up.
[04:36:35] <delewis> and you can do indexing across partitioned tables, too.
[04:37:30] <LeftWing> There are, of course, a wealth of applications that still aren't of a size in most instances to warrant such features anyway.
[04:37:44] <delewis> LeftWing: you'd be surprised by how many Oracle customers *do* need that.
[04:37:58] <LeftWing> delewis: What I was about to say was that if you have those requirements you can probably afford Oracle. =P
[04:38:03] <delewis> most business chains use that functionality, like WalMart which has *huge* tables.
[04:38:34] <edwardocallaghan> cat edward <>/dev/random
[04:38:42] <delewis> LeftWing: I always say, "If you can't afford Oracle, you probably (or rather, more than likely) don't need it"
[04:39:05] <LeftWing> delewis: Mmm.
[04:39:30] <steleman> francis ford coppola's daughter built herself a database of her wardrobe + shoes running Oracle on HP-UX 10.0
[04:39:39] <steleman> she didn't need it, but she could afford it.
[04:40:06] <LeftWing> heh
[04:40:21] <steleman> it cost something like USD 60K
[04:40:25] <delewis> Stric: I never said the converse or the contrapositive was true :-)
[04:40:34] <delewis> er, steleman
[04:40:51] <steleman> :-)
[04:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> Installation of <CSQamp> was successful.
[04:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# cd /usr/local/
[04:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# ls
[04:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> apache2            include            mysql_32bit
[04:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> bin                lib                php5
[04:41:58] <edwardocallaghan> Copyright.libxml2  man                share
[04:42:00] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# cd mysql_32bit/
[04:42:01] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# ls
[04:42:04] <edwardocallaghan> bin         info        libexec     mysql-test  share
[04:42:06] <edwardocallaghan> include     lib         man         README      sql-bench
[04:42:09] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00#
[04:42:17] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: one word: pastebin.
[04:42:32] <edwardocallaghan> Oh sorry I forgot
[04:42:37] <edwardocallaghan> I am so into this
[04:42:44] * steleman hates that libexec crap
[04:42:50] <edwardocallaghan> *at the moment
[04:43:23] <edwardocallaghan> Got bird flu man
[04:45:25] <lloy0076> If you have bird 'flu you should be in quarantine.
[04:45:39] <edwardocallaghan> So you guys have been taking about mysqld_safe , what is it ? Do I do ./mysqld_safe start
[04:46:06] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: That should do it.
[04:46:07] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I am turning into a real life chicken
[04:46:16] <steleman> it's a shell script designed to fool you into thinking that mysql is safe to use.
[04:46:54] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: mysql_safe --user=mysql start
[04:47:00] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: Assuming that the mysql user is "mysql"
[04:47:07] <edwardocallaghan> touch: /usr/local/mysql_32bit/var/unknown.err cannot create
[04:47:11] <edwardocallaghan> Oh yea
[04:47:18] <jamesd> anyone have sudgestions for solaris based file/document indexing that supports   MS word docs, without a lot of building preferably a binary package solution.
[04:47:24] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: That's because you haven't gotten the database installed yet.
[04:47:27] <edwardocallaghan> How do I find out the users on a sol10 install ?
[04:47:45] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: mysql_install_db --user=mysql
[04:47:48] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: cat /etc/passwd
[04:48:00] <edwardocallaghan> Oh Stupid me ! I knew that
[04:48:03] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: That will probably show you a list of usrs. Solaris is a Unix :P
[04:49:18] <steleman> jamesd: Documentum ?
[04:49:25] <edwardocallaghan> mysql_install_db --user=mysql that did it !
[04:49:26] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[04:49:44] <edwardocallaghan> I am so stupid for asking that user question !
[04:49:48] <edwardocallaghan> I knew that
[04:50:09] <edwardocallaghan> For some reason I was thinking of a command
[04:50:17] <jamesd> steleman, i'm looking for something free,  for home use, about 2500 word documents
[04:50:18] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: Cool.
[04:50:29] <lloy0076> edwardocallaghan: You could have also used the "smc" tool.
[04:50:41] <steleman> jamesd: oh ok. you did not say that in your original question. :-)
[04:50:54] <jamesd> steleman, okay.. thanks anyway...
[04:53:26] <lloy0076> jamesd: http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpdig/
[04:53:36] <lloy0076> t includes a template system and can index PDF, Word, Excel, and PowerPoint documents using external tools.
[04:53:49] <lloy0076> Oh, external tools.
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[04:55:04] <jamesd> lloy0076, well hopefully its does better than beagle that has spent the day executing exceptions and still can't figure out why or get a simple query to return results
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[04:55:27] <lloy0076> jamesd: You could use something like doc2xml and then use a tool to search the XML.
[04:55:36] <lloy0076> jamesd: And then get Word to read the XML document.
[04:55:41] <lloy0076> (which it should be able to)
[04:55:57] <jamesd> lloy0076, looking for a ready made solution, its going to be used at home, and of course will make it into my blog.
[04:56:15] <dlg> antiword!
[04:56:35] <lloy0076> jamesd: If you pay me lots of money I can make a ready made solution for you :P
[04:56:44] <jamesd> dlg, yes but i don't want to spend  15 minutes getting the results from 500 doc files.
[04:57:00] <jamesd> lloy0076, thanks but i can code one my self..  but i'm lazy and want to blog about it as well.
[04:57:27] <steleman> jamesd: so do what most people do: forget about the coding part and just blog. :-P
[04:57:32] <lloy0076> jamesd: Why not buy a cheap mini-mac and use Spotlight?
[04:57:39] <lloy0076> That's ready made.
[04:58:37] <jamesd> lloy0076, because i'm flat broke and want a solution for my problem, and be able to help others come up with a solaris based solution that replaces  MS new house hold server... and be a hell of a lot powerful
[04:59:12] <edwardocallaghan> Do you guys think more people will switch over to OpenOffice when the new M$ Office comes out?
[04:59:26] <edwardocallaghan> As its going to fuck there doc format up more
[04:59:35] <Error_404> postfixing MS with a dollar sign is cliche and quite immature
[04:59:38] <steleman> edwardocallaghan: No
[04:59:51] <edwardocallaghan> lol 404
[04:59:56] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, no, if they aren't allready thinking about it, they will stay with current word/office its quite useful and most people dont use more than 5% of its functionatility anyway
[05:00:12] <edwardocallaghan> That's a 501 and the the server made a boo boo
[05:00:23] <Error_404> office 2007's biggest threat is officeXP
[05:00:40] <LeftWing> Office 2003 is alright, as far as Microsoft Office products go.
[05:01:19] <edwardocallaghan> I love StarOffice I love the Maths writer
[05:01:20] <steleman> it doesnt even look bad
[05:01:21] <jamesd> i haven't seen any reason to move to  office 2007, or vista for that matter
[05:01:42] <lloy0076> jamesd: http://www.bibl.ulaval.ca/lius/index.en.html
[05:01:43] <Error_404> edwardocallaghan: i use TeX for that
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[05:01:53] <lloy0076> "The LIUS framework adds to Lucene many files format indexing fonctionalities as: Ms Word, Ms Excel, Ms PowerPoint, RTF, PDF, XML, HTML, TXT, Open Office suite and JavaBeans."
[05:02:10] <edwardocallaghan> Mathematica is the main thing I use
[05:02:24] <Error_404> *nod*
[05:02:33] <Error_404> my school is a Maple shop
[05:02:47] <Error_404> mostly for nationalist reasons I imagine
[05:02:56] <boyd> Canadian, eh?
[05:03:00] <Error_404> yes
[05:03:13] <jamesd> thanks for all the sudgestions i'm going to give phpdig a try it seems like a nice small simple solution that doesn't need 5000 gnome libs or java.
[05:03:19] <dlg> heh
[05:03:42] <jamesd> of course if phpdig turns out to be crap i will ask again tomorow :-)
[05:03:54] <lloy0076> jamesd: It does, however, need PHP which isn't part of a Solaris distribution from Sun.
[05:03:57] * steleman has a premonition
[05:04:18] <Error_404> ?
[05:04:29] <steleman> it relates to php
[05:04:30] <jamesd> lloy0076, well most people don't mind using blastwave or apache1 that includes  php i think
[05:04:46] <lloy0076> Fair enough, I guess.
[05:05:03] <LeftWing> A lot of people don't mind using Java, either. =P
[05:05:04] <jamesd> i can also use nexenta that makes php easy to get...
[05:05:34] <jamesd> i don't really know java, and java + zfs sounds like a very expensive memory solution.
[05:05:49] <delewis> J2EE is pretty complex.
[05:06:42] <lloy0076> Jave EE is an improvement of J2EE.
[05:06:47] <delewis> and likewise, development time is far more than it is with PHP.
[05:06:53] <jamesd> the phpdig solution makes sense since i was going to make  search an intranet web based solution anyway... so  people can access there word based docs without using an X based app
[05:06:56] <Error_404> delewis: not if you do it wrong
[05:06:58] <Error_404> heh
[05:06:59] <lloy0076> They suddenly realised that having a heap of XML cruft makes it rather non-understandable.
[05:07:10] <Error_404> you can use JSP in more or less the same way as PHP
[05:07:11] <delewis> lloy0076: you don't say :-)
[05:07:22] <Error_404> except then you're creating bad javaee code
[05:07:35] <Error_404> pretty standard php code though so *shrug*
[05:08:02] <LeftWing> heh
[05:08:41] <delewis> I just don't care for the majority of "web development" languages, in general.
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[05:08:49] <delewis> most of them are hideously messy.
[05:09:22] <edwardocallaghan> edward thinks # init 0
[05:09:31] <delewis> that or, maybe I just have something against a markup-language, like HTML.
[05:09:34] <lloy0076> delewis: TAL (from Zope) is actually quite nice.
[05:09:55] <delewis> lloy0076: Ruby on Rails seems to be gaining ground, as well.
[05:09:59] <steleman> delewis: in al fairness, java didnt start as a web language. it just became that out of convenience.
[05:10:12] <Error_404> steleman: and lack of other purpose?
[05:10:21] <steleman> Error: that too :-D
[05:10:36] <delewis> come on, don't you love applets?
[05:10:37] * delewis ducks
[05:10:50] * steleman wrestles delewis into a full nelson
[05:10:57] <delewis> :-(
[05:11:07] <steleman> :-)
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[05:11:36] <lloy0076> We should make C-Lets.
[05:11:44] <lloy0076> Little snippets of C running without jails in web browsers.
[05:11:49] <lloy0076> Think of all the possibilitites!
[05:12:01] <steleman> lloy: yes you could fuck your system in 3 seconds or less
[05:12:14] <Gr|ffous> a challenge you say?
[05:12:15] <steleman> java would do that too but it needs 2 minutes
[05:12:24] <Error_404> and a gig of ram
[05:12:54] <lloy0076> I wrote a Perl and a Java program to convert a decimal digit to binary.
[05:13:02] <lloy0076> I used the same algorithm in both.
[05:13:05] <Error_404> java's faster
[05:13:11] <Error_404> it just eats more ram
[05:13:19] <lloy0076> If I repeated it < 5 times, Perl ran faster.
[05:13:24] <delewis> ugh, PHP still sucks with Oracle.
[05:13:27] <lloy0076> But > 5 times, Java would get it.
[05:13:29] <delewis> weird connection issues.
[05:13:30] <LeftWing> And it doesn't make sense to write a Java app to do one calculation. ;P
[05:13:35] <Error_404> delewis: you're mixing php and oracle?
[05:13:42] <delewis> "Warning: ocilogon() [function.ocilogon]: OCIEnvNlsCreate() failed. There is something wrong with your system"
[05:13:50] <lloy0076> The thing is, that I generally would only use such a thing on an occasional basis so the Java startup hit is a PITA.
[05:14:12] <lloy0076> I did find that writing my own "pow" function in Java was more efficient than using Math.pow.
[05:14:22] <Error_404> seems kinna like drinking a $300 bottle of wine out of paper cups
[05:14:31] <lloy0076> Probably because Math.pow was converting int to double and back whereas mine was pure integer maths.
[05:14:46] <delewis> Error_404: not really.
[05:15:03] <delewis> you can still do all your magic PL/SQL and execute the procedures in PHP.
[05:15:22] <LeftWing> heh
[05:17:14] <Error_404> apparantly in about a year my uni's shifing over to java for the first year classes
[05:17:29] <delewis> from C++, I assume?
[05:17:35] * steleman faints
[05:17:42] <Error_404> delewis: yeah
[05:17:49] <Error_404> seems like a bad idea to me
[05:17:58] <Error_404> it's important to learn proper memory management
[05:18:33] <steleman> Error: yes. it helps in getting a job.
[05:19:14] <steleman> at my previous job i used to nix any candidate who could not write strcpy(3C) with pointer arithmetic
[05:19:49] <LeftWing> Provided they actually teach Java rather than just spoonfeeding canned class definitions, it won't be all bad.  There's more to programming than just memory management.  Are they still teaching other languages in later years?
[05:20:00] <delewis> the Solaris libc implementation of strcpy uses pointer arithmetic.
[05:20:18] <delewis> (as any decent strcpy implementation should)
[05:20:21] <steleman> delewis: i think most do
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[05:21:09] <Error_404> LeftWing: yes, there's a lisp class that's required, a few asm classes
[05:21:10] <delewis> you have to admire the C++ classes that teach any C++ features :-)
[05:21:13] <steleman> it was pretty funny to watch what kind of amazing concoctions some of these candidates who never took C could write
[05:21:17] <delewis> don't teach*
[05:21:28] <Error_404> and sometime around the end of second year they more or less stop teaching you to be a code-monkey and go in to theory
[05:21:43] <Error_404> and all the profs let you choose whatever tools you like for that stuff
[05:21:44] <delewis> steleman: did any of the code start with "public class <foo>"? :-)
[05:21:49] <LeftWing> Error_404: Well, that sounds about right I suppose.
[05:21:52] <Error_404> so long as it'll run on one of the labs, they're happy
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[05:22:06] <steleman> delewis: no, one dude malloc'ed the char* dst pointer inside the function :-)
[05:22:09] <Error_404> the windows lab, the sparc labs, or the IRIX lab
[05:22:52] * delewis wonders how many campuses still have an IRIX lab
[05:22:56] <LeftWing> heh
[05:23:17] <LeftWing> Unfortunately my campus only has one remaining UNIX lab.
[05:23:21] <delewis> my university did have a VT100 lab back in the day :-)
[05:23:38] <delewis> back when we actually had a C.S. program
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[05:23:56] <LeftWing> The rest have all been converted to Windows labs, and perhaps one or two labs with Macs for faculties who particularly request them.
[05:24:17] <steleman> my first real job interview consisted of an enscript printout of about 10000 lines of C. the guy who gave it to me told me "there's one memory leak in this code. find it".
[05:24:20] <Error_404> we have an irix lab on account of the joint compsci/geography program
[05:24:32] <steleman> no computer no compiler just printout and a red pen
[05:24:47] <LeftWing> steleman: How long did they give you?
[05:24:52] <steleman> 20 minutes
[05:24:55] <LeftWing> heh
[05:24:57] <steleman> on stopwatch
[05:25:23] <LeftWing> Presumably you found it then? =P
[05:25:30] <steleman> yeah i got the job :-)
[05:25:41] <steleman> this was at the uni
[05:25:48] <steleman> for the CSRG
[05:25:51] <LeftWing> heh
[05:26:15] <steleman> (back in my younger days when i weighed 30lbs less and i had hair)
[05:27:41] <LeftWing> I can't remember the last time I interviewed for a job.
[05:29:35] <edwardocallaghan> OK going to sleep, thanks all... You have been most helpful as always, have a nice evening ;)
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[05:30:58] <Error_404> i remember working...
[05:31:20] <Error_404> that's when you have to wake up in the morning and leave the house, right?
[05:31:30] <steleman> Error: yeah something like that :-)
[05:31:59] <Error_404> and food magically appears in your fridge
[05:32:12] <steleman> well not magically you exchange the paper coupons they give you for food
[05:32:41] * Error_404 misses having a job
[05:32:54] * steleman misses Grad School
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[05:50:54] <jamesd> a nice blog entry that will get you placed on the  uneployment line quickly, especially if another round of job cuts are near...  http://blogs.sun.com/lchambers/entry/sun_workstation
[05:55:46] <lloy0076> heh
[05:55:52] <lloy0076> That person does seem to be having problems.
[05:56:06] <Error_404> erm, seems like someone moved to california to get a job with apple & failed
[05:57:45] <Error_404> if i were management, i'd fire them
[05:58:02] <Error_404> quite aside from what company it were
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[05:58:31] <Error_404> personal blog = badmouthing your employer is bad form... on a company blog it seems nigh-unacceptable
[05:58:34] <jamesd> well it should be interesting to see if he approves my comment...
[05:58:44] <Error_404> comment?
[06:00:01] <lloy0076> Error_404: Personally, if I'd found such an experience, I'd try quietly finding out internally whether anyone else had the same experience. If it seemed noone else had, then I'd double check what I was doing and if it seemed valid, then I'd work out how to raise the issue internally.
[06:00:14] <jamesd> i commented, that he should do a few more benchmarks like run  3 or 4 of the glassfish installs at one time, perhaps with some disk io,   and then pointed out that the intel fsb will kill performance if the box was pushed hard, and then requested that he plug in a  4GB/s fcal card into his laptop and see how it responds.
[06:01:15] <Error_404> lloy0076: that'd be a far more democratic way of doing it
[06:01:38] <Error_404> rather than badmouthing the company you work for
[06:01:59] <lloy0076> Mind you, how do we know the motive? The motive could be to get fired :(
[06:02:25] <jamesd> lloy0076, there are easier ways...
[06:02:39] <jamesd> he could of asked to be layed off..
[06:02:56] <lloy0076> Why choose an easy way when you can make your and everyone else's life hell?
[06:04:14] <jamesd> because sun could file with the enemployment agency that he was grossly imcompetent and thus doesn't deserve unemployment and who knows what will be whispered when his next employer calls for a recomendation
[06:04:21] <Error_404> lloy0076: because you get EI when you get laid off ?
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[06:04:36] <Error_404> i dunno, does california have some sort of (un)employment insurance?
[06:04:47] <jamesd> Error_404, yes it does..
[06:05:07] <jamesd> and they can deny it for  gross imcompentence..
[06:05:24] <Error_404> here as well
[06:05:59] <Error_404> but if there's a round of layoffs coming, you can put your name in the hat & still collect
[06:06:02] <jamesd> of course its only 20% of your gross pay so its not exactly a replacement
[06:06:13] <Error_404> getting fired, you get nothing
[06:06:18] <jamesd> for keeping a job at sun.
[06:06:23] <Error_404> (for most cases)
[06:07:12] * lloy0076 ponders
[06:07:21] <lloy0076> I really don't understand the American (lack of) social security system.
[06:07:42] * steleman thinks this person is at this point un-fireable
[06:08:00] <jamesd> social security is for the elderly...
[06:08:01] <lloy0076> How can anyone be "un-fireable"?
[06:08:42] <steleman> lloy: if Sun touches this person, this person can claim that their firing was retribution for bringing to management's attention a defective and underperforming product.
[06:08:42] <Error_404> come out of the closet to a homophobic boss ?
[06:09:03] <steleman> and the blog is prima facie evidence
[06:09:14] <steleman> cannot touch.
[06:09:37] <jamesd> of course there are a dozen other blog entries that show the u20 beating the crap out of the competition...
[06:09:53] <steleman> this person has screenshots
[06:10:34] * lloy0076 ponder
[06:11:01] <Error_404> well I assume there are internal channels for bringing this information up the chain that don't involve badmouthing what a piece of crap solaris is compared to the competitor's product on a public-facing forum
[06:11:27] <lloy0076> I'd be inclined to say that getting such an out of whack result means there's something wrong with the person's benchmark.
[06:11:32] <Error_404> If i work at a printing shop, i can't stand outside yelling "hey, just use a xerox people... it's way easier & cheaper"
[06:11:46] <LeftWing> lol
[06:11:49] <Error_404> i'd get fired on the spot and rightly so
[06:11:58] <jamesd> lloy0076, most likely the benchmark is single threaded and fits basicly all in ram..
[06:11:59] <lloy0076> Error_404: You might get hired by Xerox :P
[06:12:01] <Error_404> and i'm even generally pro-worker anti-business
[06:12:50] <steleman> i'm not taking any sides in here as to whether or not this person should or should not be fired. i'm just suggesting that this person, at this point, cannot be fired.
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[06:13:40] <steleman> they can be laid off, they can be transferred to something they hate, anything but fired.
[06:13:47] <jteo> who?
[06:14:06] <jamesd> a nice blog entry that will get you placed on the  uneployment line quickly, especially if another round of job cuts are near...  http://blogs.sun.com/lchambers/entry/sun_workstation
[06:14:11] <jamesd> jteo, ^^^^
[06:15:15] <lloy0076> So, if the benchmark were to be single threaded and fit in RAM, would a Core 2 Duo beat the Opteron 1218?
[06:15:52] <LeftWing> Wow, that guy is whiney.
[06:16:04] <jamesd> lloy0076, its possible...  the intel may be faster, if it doesn't have to access disk and ram at the same time.
[06:16:47] <_syphilis_> hmm, even if that person has a valid point, the way he presents it makes me not care
[06:16:56] <jamesd> lloy0076, the intel uses a shared fsb that is for memory, disk, io  access and only supports about 3-4GB a second, so if the cpu needs more than 4GB/s of io the cpu will spin and do nothing.
[06:17:09] <lloy0076> I see.
[06:17:51] <LeftWing> Do Sun employees even get shipped the same associated kits as end users when they are provided an Ultra 20?
[06:18:04] <jamesd> amd chips have a memory bus that is a direct link to the ram, and hypertransport links to the io, each support upto 8GB/s
[06:18:59] <jamesd> LeftWing, guess not.. my u20 shipment was like a warehouse exploded in my living room and included about 4 dvd/cd's of software including solaris
[06:19:08] <LeftWing> Heh, exactly.
[06:19:09] <lloy0076> All I know is that my AMD X2 3800+ at home with 2Gib of RAM is subtly faster than my Pentium D945 with 2Gib of RAM at work.
[06:19:20] <LeftWing> You can't really complain about the out-of-box experience unless you actually experience it. ;P
[06:19:26] <jteo> the fact is the core march is better than current Opterons. They however, lose out on the interconnect portion
[06:22:04] * lloy0076 yearns for the good old days when the higher number was always the better one to buy :(
[06:23:38] <jamesd> lloy0076, that hasn't been the case for a long time since, amd entered the market, the slower  mhz was uaually the faster box... and my ultra 2 makes some ghz boxes seem slow even though its only  2x300mhz.
[06:24:14] <lloy0076> heh
[06:25:05] <jamesd> never underestimate a 576bit wide io bus... even if its 10 years old...
[06:27:15] <steleman> heh. after exactly 2 1/2 hours, QT4 has started linking the first shared lib :-)
[06:27:20] <jamesd> oh well its time to go to bed...see you tomorow....
[06:27:23] <steleman> 8 more to go
[06:28:32] <Error_404> night jamesd
[06:29:29] <jteo> steleman: on what box?
[06:30:00] <steleman> 4GB Blade 2000 with 2x1.2GHz US-III 10K FC/AL 146GB disks
[06:30:07] <jteo> steleman: ah.
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[06:31:02] <steleman> it's been linking for 15 minutes now :-)
[06:31:54] <jteo> wb Gman
[06:32:13] <Gman> howdy
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[06:48:18] <jteo> wb Griffous
[06:48:49] <benignbala> can individual members take up projects related to opensolaris?
[06:49:39] <Gman> hey Griffous
[06:49:56] * Gman gets head down and works on weekly summaries
[06:50:15] <Error_404> benignbala: you mean contribute code?
[06:51:03] <benignbala> yes
[06:51:18] <benignbala> Error_404: is that possible?
[06:51:25] <Error_404> yes
[06:51:44] <Error_404> to get the code placed in opensolaris at the moment you'll need to find a sponsor who works for sun
[06:51:54] <Error_404> but IIRC they were working on removing that limitation
[06:52:20] <benignbala> Error_404: Oh.... ok.....
[06:52:33] <jteo> Error_404: that's what the eventually external mecurial gate is for.
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[06:53:18] <Error_404> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation/
[06:53:18] <benignbala> Error_404: But, will that happen, like i mean will this community become something like the linux community where everyone contributes code
[06:53:34] <Error_404> that's what everyone's hoping for
[06:53:35] <jteo> benignbala: eventually, yes.
[06:54:10] <benignbala> Error_404: thanks..... :)
[06:54:14] <Error_404> n/p
[06:54:48] <benignbala> \quit
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[06:55:12] <jteo> driveby.
[06:55:21] <Error_404> heh
[07:01:19] <lloy0076> Apart from using the online tool that lets you search the OpenSolaris source code (that is open sourced), what's the easiest way to get the main kernel tree?
[07:01:49] <lloy0076> I don't particularly want to build it, but I'd like to look into it. It would make Solaris Internals a little more understandable (or less) I think.
[07:01:56] <jteo> lloy0076: mercurial
[07:02:41] <jteo> "hg pull --update ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate"
[07:02:50] <jteo> is what i use to sync my local tree with the gate.
[07:03:46] <Error_404> SI is a good book....
[07:07:49] <lloy0076> It's complaining about no repo found.
[07:08:15] <lloy0076> jteo: I don't suppose you remember how to get the very first one - I think what you're doing updates an existing mercurial local copy.
[07:08:24] <lloy0076> man hg is confusing me :(
[07:08:24] <jteo> lloy0076: correct. :)
[07:08:53] <jteo> try hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[07:09:28] <lloy0076> That seems to be doing something.
[07:09:46] * lloy0076 hopes it doesn't download the 'net.
[07:11:05] <Error_404> last i tried it locked up my machine
[07:11:23] <Error_404> but i'm a cheapskate and am running on discount ram in a sempron
[07:11:25] <Error_404> so ymmv
[07:11:28] <lloy0076> heh
[07:11:35] <lloy0076> My RAM should be fine.
[07:12:00] <lloy0076> I recall a time when I got into an uber-fight about whether my RAM was OK, so I sent it through memtest86 20 times and got no errors.
[07:12:59] <Error_404> i didn't do that, i just experience lockups on occasion
[07:13:21] <Error_404> if it's not my ram it's something else about this motherboard
[07:13:34] <Error_404> really, i cheaped out in ways you wouldn't believe when it came to this computer
[07:13:52] <Error_404> the whole machine, including harddrives, was less than $300
[07:14:01] <lloy0076> $300US?
[07:14:04] <Error_404> CAD
[07:14:17] <lloy0076> $300 in any currency isn't much money.
[07:14:25] <jteo> gbp.
[07:15:16] <lloy0076> jteo: Is "hg" one of those horrid commands that gets fussy about where you put arguments, eg: would hg -v clone be different to hg clone -v ?
[07:15:57] <lloy0076> Don't worry - it's not.
[07:16:06] <lloy0076> It causes a python error the second way :(
[07:16:58] <Error_404> hooray
[07:17:09] <jteo> :)
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[08:53:46] <Symmetria> hey all
[08:54:20] <Error_404> yo
[08:54:37] <Symmetria> quick question, whats the best way to sync 2 directories on the same machine (so basically make directory 1 an exact copy of directory 2), except using something like diff updates or rsync or something (but preferably not rsync cause I dont want it listening on an ip socket)
[08:55:31] <Symmetria> heh and at the same time I definately dont wanna be doing a complete copy every time either, its a 700gig million file directory tree)
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[09:20:04] <bougie> hello :)
[09:20:23] <Error_404> yo
[09:23:18] <sickness> Symmetria: have you had a look at unison?
[09:24:23] <sickness> Symmetria: and, AFAIK, "rsync -ar /a /b" for example doesn't listen on an ip socket...
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[09:30:06] <Symmetria> sickness yeah
[09:30:12] <Symmetria> I just realized the latter
[09:30:17] <Symmetria> :) wasnt thinking 2 clearly this morning
[09:31:05] <Symmetria> heh its busy synching using rsync directory to directory, will take a hell of a long time though, just shy of a million files and about 200gigs worth of updates on a 700gig tree)
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[09:40:31] <sickness> Symmetria: yeah, I had a problem like that too... rsync doesn't copy all the files that are the same, but it has to scan them, every time :/
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[09:40:43] <sickness> so it's slow anyway if you have so much small files
[09:41:21] <sickness> Symmetria: maybe zfs send/recv could be faster because it doesn't have to reparse all the files because it already knows what's changed on the fs structure, and only sends it
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[09:44:46] <sickness> Symmetria: you could try something like this http://blogs.sun.com/timf/date/20060906
[09:45:23] <sickness> Symmetria: I've used this for some time at my previous jobplace, worked fine (I was using it on same machine, no network)
[09:46:45] <Error_404> hmm... appears apple license is CDDL compatible
[09:46:55] <Error_404> hello HFS+ driver
[09:47:34] <sickness> http://blogs.sun.com/timf/category/ZFS
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[09:48:50] <asyd> Error_404: :)
[09:48:55] <asyd> could be nice indeed
[09:50:30] <Error_404> especially if you bought a mac recently and then converted your ipod over without thinking
[09:50:35] <Error_404> :-/
[09:50:44] <asyd> yup
[09:50:57] <asyd> I thinking to such things
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[09:51:24] <estibi> hello
[09:56:10] <Error_404> wtf, the darwin HFS driver is written in c++
[09:56:15] <Error_404> not objc, but c++...
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[10:17:16] <triplah_> Error_404: wtf, thats wierd
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[10:50:46] <Error_404> ahoy
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[11:04:46] <jteo> whee. wasted 2 hours on a bug that was already fixed. -sigh-
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[13:33:28] <pjd_> If I NFS mount ZFS file system will I able to access .zfs/snapshot/ directory and all snapshots?
[13:34:49] <jteo> i'm guessing no, since mounts aren't transitive in NFS.
[13:35:35] <trygvis> is a snapshot directory a new mount?
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[13:43:13] <jamesd> pjd_, and  jteo  .zfs/snapshots are availible via nfs, even though they may not appear visible by the remote system, just  cd .zfs/snapshot and you are they will appear.
[13:43:46] <jamesd> er s/they/there/
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[13:55:30] <pjd_> jamesd: If this is not a separate mount-point, it is possible that two different file in the file system have the same inode?
[13:56:35] <jamesd> yes i think its possible and may even be a design feature since there are only 2^32 availible pseudo inodes availbile in nfsv3  and maybe even nfsv4
[13:57:19] <pjd_> So how file handles are generated for nfs, so the server know which file we have in mind?
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[13:59:15] <jamesd> not sure i'm not a nfs guru, i just played with  nfs over zfs a lot while developing scripts that allow you to create linux user home account on zfs storage in a very simple matter.
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[14:04:56] <jteo> jamesd: my bad, i stand corrected.
[14:06:32] <jamesd> actually i should of mentioned you can control whether the  .zfs file is visible with the snapdir property, it can be hidden or visiible.
[14:07:01] <pjd_> Yeah.
[14:07:19] <pjd_> I think every snapshot is a mount point, but a special one.
[14:08:24] <jteo> pjd_: from what i understand, every snapshot is a separate dataset mounted dynamically.
[14:08:37] <pjd_> jteo: That's right, on first lookup.
[14:09:02] <jamesd> i haven't checked in months, but when i last did you may of needed to do   ls  -R .zfs/snapdir to see all the files in the directories, some nfs clients wouldn't see all directories without being told to look for them.
[14:09:21] <jteo> pjd_: which is why I presumed that the snapshots wouldn't show up under NFS.
[14:09:40] <pjd_> I mounted ZFS file system over NFS on FreeBSD.
[14:09:51] <pjd_> ls /mnt/test/.zfs/snapshot/ shows nothing.
[14:09:59] <pjd_> But /mnt/test/.zfs/snapshot/<name> works.
[14:10:24] <jteo> pjd_: so you can't see it, but you can access it?
[14:10:29] <jamesd> pjd_,   do   cd /mnt/test/.zfs   ; ls -R   .     and see if files show up then
[14:10:30] <pjd_> Doing the same on Solaris for local file system works in both cases.
[14:10:49] <pjd_> jamesd: No.
[14:11:09] <pjd_> jteo: That's right.
[14:11:23] <pjd_> Does it work the same when NFS client is Solaris?
[14:11:37] <jamesd> pjd_, file a bug report, they may work on fixing it.. of course they may just lump it in with my old bug report ;-)
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[14:18:33] <jamesd> bbl
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[14:32:05] <jteo> pjd_: great work on ZFS for FreeBSD. :)
[14:32:44] <pjd_> Thanks:)
[14:32:57] <pjd_> Ok, this is tcpdump for 'ls /tank/foo'
[14:32:58] <pjd_> 08:32:07.709409 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 44434, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 148) 192.168.5.201.2049 > 192.168.5.85.324335462: reply ok 120 access attr: DIR 755 ids 0/3 sz 3 nlink 2 rdev 16383/262143 fsid 2d90005 fileid 3 a/m/ctime 1168694771.279175283 1168187888.107913504 1168187888.107913504 c 0023
[14:33:10] <pjd_> And this for /tank/.zfs/snapshot/0/foo:
[14:33:16] <pjd_> 08:33:15.901871 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 44441, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: UDP (17), length: 148) 192.168.5.201.2049 > 192.168.5.85.324335722: reply ok 120 access attr: DIR 755 ids 0/3 sz 3 nlink 2 rdev 16383/262143 fsid 2d9000f fileid 3 a/m/ctime 1168187227.190679140 1168187888.107913504 1168187888.107913504 c 0023
[14:33:23] <pjd_> fsid is different.
[14:33:42] <jteo> pjd_: that's consistent with snapshots being a different FS.
[14:33:50] <pjd_> Yeah.
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[15:14:20] <jteo> browsing b.o.o. is morbidly entertaining.
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[16:07:08] <Kmays> You can run IE 7 under Solaris using something like the Wine emulator or the PC daughterboard solution..Firefox 2.0 is pretty good with extensions nowadays though..
[16:07:27] <Kmays> Epiphany is ok
[16:08:05] <trygvis> opera is ok
[16:09:24] <Kmays> trygvis <- Isn't there some charge for it for corporate use or something?
[16:09:35] <trygvis> nope
[16:10:59] <Kmays> Cool..I'll checked out the new Opera v9.10
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[16:36:59] <cmihai> Kmays: wine hardly works on Solaris in the first place.
[16:37:39] <cmihai> And if you really need Internet Explorer (and most times you do to connect to Windows stuff like SMS reporting) you can just connect to some terminal server. Easier like that :)
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[16:40:48] <cneira> im on build 54 and i cannot find /dev/printers/lp0
[16:44:43] <Kmays> cmihai <- Very True... they were looking for home office internet use though. ;)
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[17:04:55] <cneira_> can i mount a cd under a lx zone ?
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[17:40:16] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all
[17:40:49] <jamesd> hi edwardocallaghan
[17:41:43] <edwardocallaghan> Edward wonders what is the standard supported why to setup a web service server on a Sun box? i.e. where is the PDF that tells you how to setup MySQL, PHP and Apache on your brand new T1000 box or example ?
[17:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> Hi jamesd , how are you?
[17:42:08] <edwardocallaghan> *way
[17:42:17] <jamesd> fine...
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[17:42:33] <edwardocallaghan> *for
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[17:44:07] <cneira__> i followed the instructions for creating a cdrom fs in a lx zone but i cant see the cdrom contents
[17:44:16] <cneira__> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2450/6n4o5mdou?a=view
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[17:46:17] <wizeman> hi
[17:46:35] <jamesd> hello
[17:46:42] <wizeman> I'm experiencing some problems with the OpenSolaris source browser
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[17:47:26] <jteo> hmm?
[17:47:52] <wizeman> it's showing a very old version of the code
[17:48:00] <Kmays> Ed <- a lot of docs on setting up "LAMP" environments (similar to SAMP)
[17:48:01] <wizeman> and sometimes gives me a 404 file not found
[17:48:07] <wizeman> see: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/history/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/fs/zfs/vdev_label.c
[17:48:22] <wizeman> refresh that link a couple of times
[17:48:55] <wizeman> the history shows latest change 30-May-2006 although the last change was in november
[17:50:13] <jteo> ah. history is borked.
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[17:51:28] <jteo> "Unfortunately
[17:51:29] <jteo> this means onnv-gate will no longer be indexed in real-time and will go
[17:51:29] <jteo> back to being updated weekly."
[17:51:30] <wizeman> but the source code is also an old version
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[17:53:31] <jteo> wizeman: short answer: onnv-gate will only be indexed weekly.
[17:54:22] <jteo> wizeman: i was misled by it too.
[17:54:28] <wizeman> ok
[17:54:31] <wizeman> thanks
[17:55:44] <jteo> wizeman: the mercurial gate seems to be up to date though.
[17:56:31] <edwardocallaghan> Kmays: I know but that was not the question, I am wondering what 'Sun's supported standard method is for Solaris'?
[17:58:43] <wizeman> when can I expect OpenGrok to be fixed?
[17:59:08] <jamesd> wizeman, you have the source, you have the power, you can rebuild it....
[17:59:21] <Kmays> Ed <- Under Coolthreads or a standard SAMP implementation?
[18:01:09] <jteo> wizeman: a few months at least, according to stevel.
[18:01:39] <wizeman> ok thanks
[18:01:59] <wizeman> bummer :)
[18:03:14] <jteo> wizeman: cscope? ;)
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[18:04:16] <wizeman> I really really like OpenGrok :)
[18:04:23] <wizeman> never tried cscope though
[18:04:29] <richlowe> The low end of the estimate is " When you find what's wrong, and stop it being wrong"
[18:04:35] <richlowe> the high end is "When the tonic folks get time to"
[18:04:37] <richlowe> ;)
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[18:06:20] <jteo> infinite work.
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[18:09:43] <Kmays> We discussed porting it, but read the fine print: http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml
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[18:17:20] <mihaic> cmihai:
[18:17:40] <mihaic> erm... odd. 2 machines I was ssh-ing to went down in an instant.
[18:18:11] <mihaic> Hm.. could be the switch died ;\
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[18:20:01] <edwardocallaghan> I wonder what could be done in layer 2 so that your connection is | over more then one interface
[18:20:37] <mihaic> It is over more than one interface.
[18:20:49] <mihaic> That's the only reason I'm still standing here. Solaris link aggregation.
[18:22:23] <mihaic> jamesd: could you please paste the link to his weblog again?
[18:22:40] <mihaic> I was reading his other posts (just as bad...) when the switch died
[18:23:07] <jamesd> http://blogs.sun.com/lchambers/entry/sun_workstation this one?
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[18:23:18] <mihaic> Yup, thanks.
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[18:26:38] <wizeman> hmm.. kscope is really nice
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[18:33:40] <jteo> your switch is back?
[18:35:19] <cmihai> No
[18:36:27] <jteo> i will pray for you. stay the course.
[18:36:30] <cmihai> ;D
[18:36:44] <cmihai> Bloody Allied Telesyn switches. They're like firecrackers.
[18:36:53] <cmihai> We're loosing them faster then we can replace them
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[18:41:22] <jteo> cmihai: "losing"
[18:41:28] <jteo> (sorry pet peeve)
[18:43:38] <edwardocallaghan> firecrackers ahaha
[18:43:43] <cmihai> Hm.. good point.
[18:43:49] <edwardocallaghan> I got CISCO kit here
[18:43:57] <edwardocallaghan> And its only my house
[18:44:11] <cmihai> Well, aren't you lucky.
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[18:46:16] <Kmays> http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/gallery.asp
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[18:49:17] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[18:50:16] <edwardocallaghan> ebay, you can get some nice kit cheap
[18:50:54] <Triskelios> yeah thank you for telling us, nobody's ever heard of ebay
[18:51:26] <jamesd> wow someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
[18:53:36] <edwardocallaghan> :/
[18:53:46] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry
[18:58:39] <quants> edwardocallaghan: my buddy does that too
[18:59:20] <Kmays> Ultra20/Apple blog was skewed a bit.
[18:59:51] <jteo> Kmays: that's an understatement.
[19:00:06] <Kmays> ;)
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[19:01:24] <edwardocallaghan> a build, what build
[19:01:29] <edwardocallaghan> I posted a replie
[19:01:34] <edwardocallaghan> *reply
[19:01:51] <delewis> huh? what on earth was he building?
[19:02:08] <Kmays> Sun engineers usually have the ferrari laptops... I like the Alienware Aurora m9700 myself.
[19:02:11] <delewis> and if so, if all he is doing is comparing compile times, then I doubt he ensured what optimizations were being used and if they were identical on both systems.
[19:02:18] <cmihai> DeLL bought Alienware :P
[19:02:24] * delewis can't believe this guy actually got a job at Sun.
[19:02:49] <cmihai> Yup.
[19:03:09] <cmihai> Did you see his other posts?
[19:03:16] <delewis> he also didn't post what compilers he was using
[19:03:17] <Kmays> That bit about the clock speed command was interesting :D
[19:03:22] <delewis> and I'd guarantee they were different versions
[19:03:27] <delewis> oh, wait -- of course, they were.
[19:03:34] <delewis> Apple uses a modified gcc as does Sun
[19:03:38] <delewis> so his benchmark is 100% useless.
[19:03:49] <cmihai> Apples, Oranges..
[19:03:52] <delewis> this is why compile-time benchmarks are silly.
[19:03:53] <cmihai> Erm, Suns :P
[19:04:02] <delewis> it's almost impossible to guarantee the benchmark is impartial.
[19:04:18] <delewis> especially, if you're doing it across different operating systems.
[19:04:51] <edwardocallaghan> lol he should install Fedora on both systems then do a compare as it's the same OS and the same version of all the packages
[19:05:06] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: uh, no?
[19:06:02] <jteo> it won't be the first time Sun has hired someone ...lacking.
[19:06:22] <delewis> I guess he's in one of the "Java-oriented" departments :-)
[19:06:28] <cmihai> Looks like it.
[19:07:11] <edwardocallaghan> May be he is marketing hehe
[19:07:20] <cmihai> Still, most people have more common sense that than...
[19:07:39] <jteo> cmihai: common sense isn't.
[19:07:53] <cmihai> Calling Solaris useless, Sun expensive and advertising Apples on a Sun blog is just dumb.
[19:07:54] <edwardocallaghan> Well I said Fedora as I know it would run on both systems
[19:07:57] <Auralis> complaining about unix when working for a unix vendor ist just plain... moronic
[19:08:20] * delewis forsees this twit getting a pink slip.
[19:08:28] <edwardocallaghan> OSX is Unix haha
[19:08:52] <delewis> edwardocallaghan: and about 10 years behind on the technological scale of things.
[19:08:57] <richlowe> I actually somewhat like that blog entry.
[19:09:00] <cmihai> "Oh, and did I mention that it fried its boot disk within 1 minute of setting it up," - this guy doesn't just suck, he excells at it ;\
[19:09:13] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: no it's not
[19:09:42] <richlowe> it's good in much the same way that the UHH is one of the better unix textbooks in existance.
[19:09:46] <edwardocallaghan> Yes it is, Darwin Unix
[19:09:49] <richlowe> nobody needs to be told what they did right, they know already.
[19:09:55] <delewis> cmihai: actually, it sort of is. OS X derives from NeXTSTEP, which was based on BSD sources (I can't seem to recall the version of it at the moment)
[19:09:57] <richlowe> it's what you did wrong that needs to be hammered home until its believed.
[19:10:00] <Kmays> rich <- he had a point about the hardware side of things..but not apples to apples though...and that clock speed command comment was...\
[19:10:15] <jteo> Kmays: java guy. not so hot on the CLI.
[19:10:25] <Kmays> oh
[19:10:46] <cmihai> delewis: it uses a Mach kernel, some BSD userland and stuff, but it's no more UNIX that FreeBSD would be.
[19:10:53] <cmihai> It's UNIX-Like.
[19:10:58] <delewis> cmihai: no, FreeBSD is a Unix.
[19:11:02] <jteo> semantic, see-mantics
[19:11:06] <delewis> it dervies from the original BSD4.4 Lite sources.
[19:11:09] <richlowe> and having never actually looked for one before, I don't currently see a GUI-like "About this system" thingy, either.
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[19:11:11] <cmihai> delewis: they didn't pay the fee so it's not UNIX
[19:11:11] <Auralis> it is not opengroup unix certified, ergo it is not UNIX. QED
[19:11:19] <delewis> therefore, it has a direct lineage to the original Bell Labs sources.
[19:11:20] <edwardocallaghan> cat /dev/random >> /dev/null &
[19:11:23] <delewis> cmihai: I'm not talking about that.
[19:11:28] <delewis> that's paying for a silly trademark.
[19:11:37] <delewis> it's a Unix if can trace it back to the original Bell Labs sources, and in this case you can.
[19:11:52] <delewis> saying it's not a Unix unless it has a the UNIX trademark stamped on is inconsistent.
[19:12:16] <Auralis> no, you only get the stamp after passing the testsuit
[19:12:19] <cmihai> delewis: well, the trademark thing comes with a bunch of validation tests
[19:12:29] <delewis> Auralis: and for operating systems that haven't been tested?
[19:12:32] <cmihai> And FreeBSD and MacOS didn't pass them. So they're not certified.
[19:12:34] <delewis> You'd say 4.4BSD is a Unix, wouldn't you?
[19:12:37] <quants> Kmays: Alienware has done some stuff that boarders on criminal, I have not seen if they're still that bad after Dell aquired them
[19:12:40] * delewis sighs
[19:12:52] <delewis> see, inconsistent.
[19:13:00] <quants> Kmays: google: alienware+fraud
[19:13:02] <delewis> you'd say Bell Labs Unix is Unix would you not?
[19:13:03] <cmihai> They're not legally allowed to call themselves UNIX.
[19:13:26] <Auralis> delewis: it is very simple, UNIX is a trademark and a certification level, if you don't pass the validation tt suits you are UNIX-like but not a UNIX
[19:13:37] <quants> bsd is genetic Unix
[19:13:49] <delewis> Auralis: I know what the certifications are, and that's irrelevant.
[19:14:10] <quants> it heralds back to sys4
[19:14:12] <delewis> the most consistent definition of a Unix is one that derives from the original Bell Labs source. This definition is consistent with all of the Unix-derived operating systems, including SVR, BSD, etc.
[19:14:23] <Auralis> obviously it is not, since apple changed their adverstimen material from UNIX to Unix based
[19:14:34] <delewis> if you want to use it's not a Unix unless it has UNIX stamped on it, that's perfectly fine with me.
[19:14:41] <delewis> I could care less, but your definition *is* inconsistent with history.
[19:15:05] <cmihai> Yes, you could say UNIX has 3 major branches. System V, BSD and OSF/1.
[19:15:15] <edwardocallaghan> UNIX wars on the 1980s here
[19:15:18] <Auralis> history is irrelevant, UNIX its a by law protected trademark and a vaildation suite protected standard
[19:15:26] <delewis> cmihai: and only a very small percentage of actually lasted to apply for UNIX certification.
[19:15:54] <kimc> trying to debug an smf problem..
[19:16:06] <jteo> kimc: do share.
[19:16:08] <kimc> getting: svc.startd could not set context for method: chdir: Not a directory
[19:16:50] <delewis> Auralis: I've got a book laying on my desk at the moment that has "The Design and Implemention of the UNIX Operating System" which was written around System V. Keep it in mind, the book was written by one of the AT&T System V developers, and this text would've been written *before* the Open Group even existed with UNIX certification tests.
[19:16:56] <cmihai> delewis: I'd totally agree with you there saying BSD's are UNIX decendents from BSD compared to Linux - that's just UNIX like.
[19:16:57] <delewis> your definition is inconsistent, and that's all there is to it
[19:17:02] <quants> Auralis: unix-like only applies to the non-genetic unix clones like Linux
[19:17:05] <kimc> so if i say: svc-mysql start   it starts
[19:17:06] <delewis> arguing trademark legality has little relevance.
[19:17:40] <edwardocallaghan> OK going for something to eat
[19:18:02] <edwardocallaghan> Take care lads
[19:18:04] <cmihai> But arguing is useless when laws exists. If they try to call themselves UNIX, the Open Group will sue them. End of story.
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[19:18:22] <cmihai> Open Group isn't too keen on "UNIX like" either.
[19:18:25] <delewis> cmihai: the thing is, UNIX existed *before* the Open Group.
[19:18:32] <quants> more accuratly darwin is mach
[19:18:33] <Auralis> the UNIX rights went from AT&T over several holders to the opengroup
[19:18:38] <delewis> AT&T and Bell Labs both labeled there distributions as "UNIX"
[19:19:09] <edwardocallaghan> lol bye, take care
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[19:19:43] <quants> trademark, and genetic unix are two different considerations
[19:19:49] <delewis> generally, I reserve "Unix" for those operating systems that derive from the original Bell Labs sources and UNIX for operating systems that haven't been certified by the Open Group.
[19:20:27] <cmihai> *nix and UNIX -like are more popular I'd say.
[19:20:29] <Auralis> s/haven't/have
[19:20:33] <delewis> that's about as consistent as you can get, though that definition still has its problems, as have already been stated.
[19:20:38] <delewis> Auralis: right.
[19:21:01] <delewis> cmihai: popular, doesn't mean it's right. and *nix seems to be one of those Linuxisms for people that don't have a clue about Unix/UNIX history.
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[19:21:24] <delewis> they just toss-it-up and say it's *somehow* related to Unix, but don't why and usually don't care, hence the lazy labeling.
[19:21:31] <cmihai> heh
[19:21:50] <quants> work-alike
[19:22:25] <delewis> I guess I could start appending a trademark character after "UNIX" to make the distinction even more.
[19:22:57] <quants> delewis: talking about UNIX(r) is meaningless
[19:23:59] <quants> I think it would be hysterical if s non-genetic unix-like system got UNIX cert
[19:24:12] <cmihai> Names don't mean jack shit, but validation suites do.
[19:24:23] <cmihai> quants: you mean like Linux?
[19:24:33] <quants> minix is another
[19:24:34] <cmihai> Or Minix? Or QNX for that matter? Heh, that would be fun.
[19:24:35] <delewis> quants: most of the operating systems that derived, specifically from the BSD sources, like FreeBSD couldn't pass a verification suite, nowadays, as most of them use a GNU userland.
[19:24:59] <quants> lol
[19:25:06] <richlowe> ... no they don't.
[19:25:18] <richlowe> much of the BSDs userlands are only *very* mildly GNU.
[19:25:26] <quants> richlowe: no no, let him believe
[19:25:35] <delewis> richlowe: FreeBSD does use a GNU sed, grep, etc.
[19:25:36] <richlowe> openbsd stands out there, especially.
[19:25:45] <cmihai> Couple of gcc's and seds here and there, but they're replaceing everything
[19:25:54] <delewis> NetBSD was trying to replace the userland with their own, but I don't know how that's progressing
[19:25:55] <quants> after all he was speeching about lazy assumptions
[19:26:04] <delewis> last time I checked, /bin/sh was broken :-)
[19:26:09] <delewis> quants: beg your pardon?
[19:26:10] <cmihai> Yup, OpenBSD is trying to get rid of all the GNU... kind of hard trying to replace gcc with kencc though :P
[19:26:32] <kAv_> has anyone tried to mount a freedos img disk
[19:26:35] <jteo> thank goodness for revinventing the wheel
[19:26:36] <delewis> cmihai: for a short time, OpenBSD was really wanting to get off of gcc, and the Plan 9 compiler suite was under consideration
[19:26:39] <delewis> but that was several years ago.
[19:26:51] <cmihai> Yup.
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[19:27:03] <cmihai> It's sort of a running joke around OpenBSD circles...
[19:27:06] <cmihai> kencc && the likes :)
[19:27:19] <delewis> I think the fact that Plan 9 Release 4 was re-licensed with a non-BSD license prompted the decision not to go with it.
[19:27:40] <Theoden-Nexenta> Hey - it's the vodka man
[19:28:09] <Volkodav> not that early anyway
[19:28:13] <Volkodav> what's up!
[19:28:32] <Theoden-Nexenta> nada.  U?
[19:28:55] <Volkodav> hangin loose
[19:29:56] <Volkodav> weather sucks
[19:30:03] <Triskelios> kAv_, I've probably done it a few times, deal with floppy images a lot...
[19:30:27] <delewis> looks like PHP might build with Sun Studio, afterall.
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[19:32:07] <jteo> delewis: having fun?
[19:32:23] <kAv_> fn~Triskelios : what options are you using
[19:32:45] <delewis> jteo: sort of, building PHP with Oracle and DB2 support.
[19:32:53] <cmihai> Heh
[19:33:11] <cmihai> Add mssql in the mix just for fun :)_
[19:33:27] <hspaans> mssql? hmmm
[19:33:32] <delewis> cmihai: don't have any hardware around here to run that on :-)
[19:34:05] <delewis> that is, unless there's a SPARC or PowerPC port lying around somewhere.
[19:34:06] <Triskelios> kAv_, none, the defaults are fine for any DOS FAT file system...
[19:34:34] <Triskelios> well, you have to specify the fs type
[19:34:55] <Kmays> quants - ohh.. ;)
[19:34:58] <cmihai> delewis: nice, no x86 huh? :)
[19:35:03] <kAv_> mount -F pcfs -o ro /dev/lofi/1 /export/stuff/test/
[19:35:03] <kAv_> mount: I/O error
[19:35:14] <kAv_> dooh sorry i wanted to past in pm
[19:35:25] <delewis> cmihai: the only one I have powered on at the moment is a Packard Bell with a Cyrix PII-clone and 128MB of memory that serves as my router, httpd, smtpd, pop3d, named, etc.
[19:35:33] <cmihai> Ugh... :)
[19:36:09] <Triskelios> kAv_: perhaps it's corrupted
[19:36:29] <kAv_> i md5sum it
[19:36:36] <kAv_> its not a floppy
[19:36:45] <kAv_> its a multilayered iamged
[19:36:58] <kAv_> image even
[19:37:01] <Triskelios> define "multilayered"
[19:38:04] <kAv_> ok its for the x2100, you boot the cd with freedos i think and you have several other partitions inside it including pc diagnostics etc
[19:38:31] <Triskelios> uh, it's a CD image?!
[19:38:51] <kAv_> i got the cd and copied over the image, the ultimate plan is to add some more tools in order to have it on the jumpstart
[19:39:17] <kAv_> yes why should that be a problem since the first noticable track is dos
[19:39:24] <kAv_> file on the image sais dos
[19:39:35] <Triskelios> CDs are hsfs
[19:39:48] <jteo> intriguing indeed.
[19:39:56] <Triskelios> it may have an el torito embedded floppy image
[19:39:57] <kAv_> as i sadi the img sais dos
[19:40:10] <Triskelios> that doesn't make it a disk image
[19:40:13] <kAv_> hsfs mount: /dev/lofi/1 is not an hsfs file system.
[19:40:38] <kAv_> what is el torito
[19:40:44] <kAv_> gimme 5 to check it out
[19:40:54] <Triskelios> it's a standard for bootable CDs
[19:41:26] <Triskelios> you basically have a floppy image at a specified location reserved in the filesytem
[19:42:52] <kAv_> ahh yes i am not thaty familiar with the spec but i am aware of this its an extension to the iso
[19:42:53] <Triskelios> CDs are treated very differently from hard disk or floppies
[19:43:37] <Triskelios> check if the image has a ISO9660 or UDF header
[19:44:05] <Triskelios> (mount claims it doesn't, but anyway...)
[19:44:14] <cmihai> "file image" should give you it's magick
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[19:46:58] <kAv_> x2100_suppl_1.5_boot.img:       DOS executable (COM)
[19:47:18] <kAv_> thats where i got the pcfs "idea"
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[19:48:10] <Kmays> hardware-assisted virtualization
[19:49:31] <quants> some .com out there needs to design a server class ARM chip someday soon
[19:49:54] <quants> I really hate all the other options
[19:50:13] <jamesd> quants, they should just rip out the bits they don't need out of an ultraT1 chip...
[19:50:44] <quants> jamesd: what like sparc
[19:50:47] <kAv_> fn~Triskelios : hence i am stuck and sun.com downloads are offline to redownload the image to make 100% sure i dont have a corruption image
[19:51:11] <Triskelios> kAv_: strings *.img | grep 'EL TORITO'
[19:51:33] <jamesd> quants, the  ultraT1 has been opensourced, its a  8core  4 threads per core chip... with hyper transport and memory controller on chip...
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[19:55:01] <cmihai> That uses like 72W per CPU :)
[19:55:43] <Triskelios> kAv_: it might be some weird thing with a disk image but no actual ISO filesystem, the el torito stuff should still be able to tell you what the offset is... I usually use http://odin.himinbi.org/xp_cds/eltorito_extraction.html as a reference but it might be different for "hard drive emulation"
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[19:58:33] <Triskelios> kAv_, if it has no el torito boot record it might just be a full disk image (which would not work reliably for bootable CDs, but perhap the x2100s will take that), then it might have a partition table and bootsector at the beginning
[19:58:38] <quants> jamesd: wow
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[19:59:40] <quants> jamesd: I'd like to see what kind of chip could evolve from ARM
[19:59:52] <cmihai> a LEG :D
[19:59:59] <jamesd> quants, wait till next year it will get better.... 8 cores, 8 threads per core, and another model will have 10gigE controller on chip plus the multithreading stuff..
[20:00:16] <cmihai> Niagara 2 is due next year?
[20:00:17] <Auralis> plus 1 fpu unit per core
[20:00:28] <jamesd> :-)
[20:00:35] <quants> jamesd: I think we're gonna start to see special purpose units like VMX
[20:01:15] <jamesd> quants, why do custom units when  general cpus are so damm cheap and powerful.
[20:01:16] <quants> how about on board vector units?
[20:01:37] <quants> what do you think fpu's are?
[20:01:58] <jamesd> they are basicly standard these days.. not one offs.
[20:01:59] <quants> how about a double prec. fpu units?
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[20:02:56] <jamesd> how about give me a use for these things that will sell more than  10,000 units a year.
[20:03:02] <mrdeviant> most fpu units are double-precision already
[20:03:13] <mrdeviant> and most cpus have vector units on-board already
[20:03:44] <quants> specialization makes for evolution
[20:03:59] <quants> ARM doesn't even have an fpu
[20:04:23] <mrdeviant> b/c it doesn't make sense to have one for the environments it's used in.
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[20:04:44] <quants> I think they're gonna add one to ARM11
[20:05:14] <quants> not the next gen, but the one after that
[20:05:17] <delewis> how many CPUs actually have quad-precision, nowadays?
[20:05:23] <delewis> (I know SPARC doesn't)
[20:05:39] <mrdeviant> you mean for their vector units?
[20:05:48] <quants> I'd rather see ultradouble
[20:05:59] <delewis> mrdeviant: just floating-point, I guess.
[20:07:10] <mrdeviant> vis registers are 64-bit. vmx and sse* are 128
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[20:14:11] <quants> http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/families.html
[20:14:38] <Kmays> MAJC 5200+ ;)
[20:16:20] <quants> rjtech.com
[20:18:17] <Auralis> Kmays: there where actually two products with the majc
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[20:37:04] <_william_> hi all
[20:37:27] <jteo> wb _william_
[20:37:37] <_william_> hi jteo
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[21:41:22] <trygvis> what's the difference between the x2100 M2 and x2200 M2?
[21:41:48] <trygvis> aha, 1 cpu vs 2 cpus
[21:51:42] <kAv_> not only trygvis
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[21:51:52] <kAv_> there is more to the x2200 that it meets the eye
[21:52:18] <trygvis> oh?
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[21:53:36] <kAv_> it has 8dimm slots /cpu
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[21:56:20] <kimc> still trying to find the problem with this mysql smf: http://pastebin.com/858506
[21:56:29] <kAv_> if it gets 4gb dimms thats 64gb max memory in 1u
[21:56:45] <kAv_> 4core 64gb ram in 1u
[21:56:51] <kAv_> now that IS cool
[21:57:19] <kimc> if anyone might have a look :)
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[22:35:38] <cneira> /dev/pseudo/lx_* are present , but still i have no sound
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[23:42:22] <nrubsig> Did anyone ever say a Dirk Wetter here ?
[23:43:12] <nrubsig> Hurray, ksh93s_final is out!
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[23:44:11] <nrubsig> Yeah yeah, I know... noone cares.
[23:44:20] * nrubsig goes to sulk a round in his edge.
[23:44:52] <Error_404> i care
[23:44:53] <Error_404> *hug*
[23:45:41] <Error_404> speaking of things noone cares about... i'm cold
[23:45:44] <nrubsig> Error_404: you aren't female, right ?
[23:46:11] <Error_404> not last i checked
[23:46:37] <nrubsig> ewwww
[23:46:43] <nrubsig> no hugging then, please
[23:46:46] <nrubsig> =:-)
[23:47:03] <nrubsig> (ok ok, bad joke)
[23:47:36] * nrubsig activates his giant Blade1000
[23:47:49] <Error_404> so anyways, it appears Apple's public source license is CDDL compatible
[23:47:58] <Error_404> and I have an ipod that solaris can't read
[23:48:16] <nrubsig> (or at least it sounds giant, like a massive rocket engine at startup)
[23:49:10] <Error_404> are they really that loud?
[23:49:21] <Error_404> last i recall before it broke the Ultra2 was whisper quiet
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[23:50:47] <richlowe> Error_404: the fans are controlled via picld.
[23:51:14] <richlowe> when picld isn't in controll, the fans default to "attempt to hover"
[23:51:25] <richlowe> the moment picld starts, things become more pleasant.
[23:51:35] <nrubsig> richlowe: at OBP level the Blade1000 sounds like preparing to engage the afterburner for takeoff
[23:51:38] <Error_404> ahh, ic
[23:52:02] <richlowe> nrubsig: yeah, because there's nothing there paying attention.
[23:52:11] <richlowe> nrubsig: let it boot, and it'll get quite.
[23:52:15] <richlowe> kill picld, and up they come.
[23:52:17] <richlowe> etc, etc.
[23:52:47] <nrubsig> yes, I know.
[23:52:54] <nrubsig> it's just... impressive.
[23:52:55] <kAv_> richlowe not 100%
[23:52:56] <nrubsig> each time.
[23:53:12] <kAv_> you need the proper thermal zones to make it work nice
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[23:53:33] <kAv_> otherwise things can go pretty bad
[23:54:17] <nrubsig> kAv_: OkOk... I guess the summer in the brazilliam rainforest will drive a blade1000 into the "terror storm mode" ... =:-)
[23:54:48] <kAv_> ok back to my cave
[23:54:56] <kAv_> though you was talking x86
[23:55:16] <kAv_> sparks are on a league on their own
[23:55:19] <nrubsig> kAv_: good hunting. and please extinct when you used up all the mamoths
[23:55:54] <nrubsig> heh
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[23:56:11] <kAv_> thanks
[23:56:18] <nrubsig> blade1000 writes ascii characters 0-255 to serial a/b for test-all
[23:56:46] <kAv_> does it?
[23:56:50] <kAv_> how you found that out
[23:56:51] <nrubsig> kAv_: note: smiley was missing... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)...
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[23:57:04] <kAv_> flooder
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[23:57:27] <nrubsig> jamesd: sorry
[23:57:38] <kAv_> he floods and gets op
[23:57:41] <kAv_> nice!!!
[23:57:44] <nrubsig> I thoughtI only had one line of smileys and not 1000
[23:57:49] <kAv_> next time do it in color
[23:57:57] <nrubsig> kAv_: I said sorry
[23:58:00] * nrubsig hides
[23:58:07] * nrubsig punishes himself for today:
[23:58:12] *** nrubsig sets mode: -o nrubsig
[23:58:15] *** triplah_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:58:19] <nrubsig> kAv_: better ? ;-(
[23:58:23] <kAv_> no but really how you found out test-all writes ascci chars
[23:58:44] <kAv_> i would say for punishment go read GNU code from freshmeat
[23:58:47] <nrubsig> kAv_: I had my Ultra5 hooked-up via "tip"
[23:59:31] <nrubsig> kAv_: problem is that my Ultra5 runs in en_US.UTF-8 locale which means the tip output really looks screwed-up.
[23:59:41] <kAv_> what settings, cause we use "console" as well but never seen it
[23:59:42] <nrubsig> alanc-away:: you there ?





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