[00:00:37] <jamesd> 30,000 employees that the majority have "white and nerdy"  as there theme song.
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[00:01:13] <hspaans> alanc: only 30k? ;-)
[00:02:48] <alanc> somewhere between 30k & 40k I think - we were down to almost 30k after the big RIF's of past years, then got a big boost when StorageTek came in
[00:03:14] <jamesd> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1384277706451157121
[00:03:29] <hspaans> rif's aren't that great :(
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[00:15:31] <_william_> gn
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[00:24:40] <richlowe> evenin' Gman.
[00:24:52] <Gman> hi
[00:25:07] <Gman> sorry, network going up and down, and caught up in other stuff
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[00:26:12] <agliodbs> hey, do we have full support for posix_fadvise?
[00:29:15] <jmcp> Gman: welcome back
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[00:32:20] <Gman> Tpenta, pong
[00:32:38] <Gman> jmcp, ta :)
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[00:40:38] <Starless_> I've installed qemu and the kqemu driver; but kqemu doesn't seem to be loading on start up; if it was loaded it would show up with a 'modinfo |grep kq' wouldn't it?
[00:41:14] <onbot> commit by th199096:  6507354 nfsstat cores if nothing nfs mounted or shared and no nfs modules loaded.
[00:43:53] <jmcp> Starless_: the kernel loads all modules at boot, then unloads which aren't in use .. try starting up qemu and then see whether the module has been loaded
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[00:45:17] <Starless_> I was getting messages when I ran qemu that kqemu wasn't loading (after I rebooted)
[00:45:19] <Starless_> be right back
[00:46:05] <jmcp> check that you've got a /usr/kernel/drv/kqemu.conf
[00:46:46] <Starless_> jmcp I have a /usr/kernel/drv/kqemu.conf, and qemu is telling me that it can't open /dev/kqemu
[00:47:12] <jmcp> Starless_: how did you install the driver? using the pkgadd ?
[00:47:31] <jmcp> you need to have an entry for kqemu in /etc/name_to_major too, btw
[00:48:19] <Starless_> jmcp, I ran make from the directory I had after I unpacked the binary driver from the qemu project page
[00:48:29] <Starless_> that's probably what's wrong, I'll try editing name_to_major
[00:48:33] <jmcp> I thought there was an installer script
[00:48:36] <jmcp> DONT DO THAT
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[00:48:38] <Starless_> Ok
[00:48:40] <MrPacific> hello
[00:48:50] <jmcp> use the _documented_ and _safe_ ways of adding the driver to your system
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[00:49:16] <richlowe> editing /etc/name_to_major is nearly always the wrong solution.
[00:49:28] <richlowe> ditto for other, similar files.
[00:49:38] <Starless_> anyway, I ran 'make install' and it added the device entry and the kqemu modules
[00:49:38] <richlowe> if it crosses your mind, and you're not sure of why, you're on the wrong path. :)
[00:49:55] <Starless_> heh, ok, sounds like good advice; if in doubt---don't
[00:50:08] <agliodbs> richlowe: hey, you have any idea if we support posix_fadvise?
[00:51:18] <Starless_> Hmm, this was in name_to_major: kqemu 208
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[00:52:32] <Tpenta> hey gman
[00:52:37] <Gman> hi Tpenta
[00:52:47] <Tpenta> so, do you know the answer to the question?
[00:52:56] <Gman> what was the question again?
[00:53:10] <Tpenta> do the spec files from the svn use the version of teh gst-python code that is fixed?
[00:53:13] <Tpenta> re jokosher
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[00:53:41] <jmcp> Starless_: did you run /sbin/bootadm update-archive after running the "make install" and before rebooting?
[00:54:13] <Gman> Tpenta, trunk will almost certainly because it's based on GNOME 2.17
[00:54:22] <Gman> however, unlikely for solaris builds i should think
[00:54:31] <Tpenta> gotta say i am having a shit of a time doing a full jds build
[00:54:46] * Gman only arrived back into nz yesterday
[00:54:53] <Tpenta> welcome home
[00:54:59] <Gman> Tpenta, really? should be relatively straightforward if you're using the jds build env
[00:55:02] <Starless_> jmcp not manually, but when I went to reboot it I got a message that it was updating the drivers
[00:55:24] <Tpenta> it woudl have helped if the instructions included "Run make in specfiles/Solaris/manapges"
[00:55:42] <Tpenta> spoke to laca abt that yesterday, it might be there now
[00:56:13] <Gman> Tpenta, i need to update the pages for that, apologies
[00:56:35] <Gman> call it a consequence of our web page infrastructure kinda sucking ;)
[00:56:41] <laca> Tpenta, Gman, yes, I added a note about that yesterday
[00:56:43] <Starless_> Ok, now it's working, I have to reboot and see if it stays working (whic hwas the problem before).
[00:56:47] <Tpenta> it also didnt help that the ferrari kept doing a thermal shutdown yesterday it was so warm in here ;)
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[00:56:55] <Tpenta> hi laca
[00:57:19] <laca> hey
[00:57:31] <Tpenta> my latest problem was that some of the libbono* stuff was failing. given the problems i was having yesterday, I removed all the source targz's and I've kicked it off again
[00:57:57] <Gman> hope you logged any problems you experienced
[00:57:58] <Tpenta> also seeing some problems installing packages where it complains abt packages with the name of the copyright mesg. If I manually install teh pkg it's fine
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[00:58:52] <Tpenta> given my multiple thermal shutdowns yesterday, it's more likely that any problems i'm having now are of mmy own making
[01:00:17] <Tpenta> OK, I'm now getting an error building bonobo-dock.c with a syntax err on line 35
[01:00:52] <Gman> is this building trunk/
[01:00:57] <Gman> [something i haven't tried yet]
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[01:01:29] <Tpenta> this is doing a cd into spec-files/Solaris and doing "pkgtool --download build -v spec.*"
[01:02:59] <Tpenta> hmmm, its warning about some stuff from gtk include files from /usr/include/gtk-2.0, should it be grabbing includes from there?
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[01:03:50] <Tpenta> warnings about enumerator values overflowing INT_MAX
[01:04:09] <jbk> nice
[01:04:29] <Tpenta> the line 35 thing looks like it shoudl be a macro expansion
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[01:09:44] <Tpenta> http://pastebin.ca/313634
[01:09:55] <Tpenta> laca/gman, theres the compile fail
[01:10:09] <Tpenta> kinda looks to me like we lost an include file somewhere
[01:10:22] <Tpenta> or a whole lot of macros and definitions
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[01:11:03] <Gman> lookin
[01:11:12] <Tpenta> gotta love pastebin
[01:12:03] <Tpenta> we certainly dont appear to have the definition for GNOME_CLASS_BOILERPLATE
[01:12:12] <richlowe> since you're building 2.17, I'd worry about what you said about it using system includes.
[01:12:20] <Gman> hrm, at a guess, it looks like there has been some sort of deprecation gone on in gtk, and bonobo can't seem to build it while it passes the DISABLE_DEPRECATION stuff
[01:12:26] <richlowe> though I'm know JDS person, it seems bogus.
[01:12:37] <richlowe> (really, even if the JDS guys intended it, it *still* seems bogus)
[01:12:51] <richlowe> s/know/no/
[01:12:56] <Tpenta> richlowe, as part of the build process you remove all of the gnome packages and re-install them; these should be the right versions of include files
[01:13:09] <Tpenta> ie re-install as you build
[01:13:18] <quasi> http://www.jobserve.com/WD07C396FE58C126F.job - 100+ SUN E25K servers - that's got to be fun ;)
[01:14:09] <Tpenta> gman: so what do I need to do here?
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[01:15:28] <jamesd> i really didn't think there was 100 e25k's in all of new zeland
[01:15:31] <Gman> let me see
[01:15:50] <jbk> well, it could be something that's gone through an HR job mangler
[01:15:58] <jbk> 'requires 15 years java experience'
[01:15:59] <Tpenta> I know that telstra in Oz is definitely looking for e25k people
[01:16:02] <jbk> etc
[01:16:17] <boyd> Tpenta: That's cos they have so many e25ks :)
[01:16:48] <Tpenta> "many" is such in interesting word :-D
[01:17:05] <jbk> heh
[01:17:20] <jbk> i like ours
[01:17:40] <yongsun> does anybody know how XChangeProperty and PropertyChangeNotify work on trusted X env?
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[01:17:58] <yongsun> seems XChangeProperty can only actually change the property if the owner and request are in same label
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[01:19:44] <yongsun> How the X clients with different label (but on same X display) to communicate with each other by properties?
[01:20:41] <richlowe> I would expect the idea is that they don't.
[01:23:44] <onbot> commit by Doug McCallum:  6499494 libshare's Makefiles need cleanup; 6500069 libshare incorrectly uses gettext()
[01:25:00] <yongsun> richlowe, can send X event works for  X clients with different label (but on same X display)?
[01:25:38] <richlowe> I don't know, but my expectation would be that windows of one label be unable to affect windows of another.
[01:25:41] <richlowe> alanc would probably be the person to ask.
[01:26:27] <jamesd> the real trusted solaris guys wouldn't come to irc, its not private, secrative, and secure enough.
[01:26:46] <yongsun> richlowe, thank you very much :)
[01:26:47] <Tpenta> any ideas glynn?
[01:27:06] <yongsun> jamesb, do they have internal irc channel to communicate?
[01:27:31] <Tpenta> that would be a non-trusted path
[01:27:39] <Tpenta> :-D
[01:27:42] <jamesd> not sure.. i'm not a sun employee, who knows what they have hidden behind the swans feathers though.
[01:27:45] <alanc> I've never seen them on IRC
[01:28:19] <alanc> they participate in the security-discuss at opensolaris dot org mailing list though
[01:29:00] <yongsun> alanc, the trusted X extension is also developed by them, not by your team?
[01:29:04] <alanc> yes
[01:29:28] <alanc> it came out of the old separate Trusted Solaris product that they owned
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[01:30:04] <yongsun> alanc, thank you :)
[01:30:15] <alanc> I think I was still in high school when they started working on it
[01:32:03] <yongsun> alanc, oh
[01:32:36] <alanc> I wouldn't be surprised though if the answer is you can't see/change properties across zones other than those specifically listed in the config as allowed
[01:35:07] <yongsun> alanc, I add "atom MY_TEST" and "property MY_TEST" in TrustedExtensionsPolicy, so that my atom are labeled as ADMIN_LOW and only be Instantiated once,
[01:36:28] <yongsun> but I still failed
[01:38:15] <alanc> I'd have to point you to Glenn & Lokanath then, since I don't know the details that well
[01:39:56] <yongsun> alanc, thank you very much :)
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[02:16:08] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all
[02:16:26] <jamesd> hi
[02:17:47] <edwardocallaghan> Hi Jamesd
[02:18:02] <edwardocallaghan> What's new around here, boyd around?
[02:18:20] <jamesd> nothing really just whats in my blog,  uadmin.blogspot.com
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[02:19:40] <edwardocallaghan> I mean on my fav IRC chan
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[02:23:16] <edwardocallaghan> Guys I have a idea for something and was wondering if any of you would be in on it?
[02:23:50] <edwardocallaghan> You know how 'The Network is the Computer (TM)'
[02:24:08] <sahafeez> no, edward, i understand the cat, but what is the butt plug and the pizza for?
[02:25:03] <sahafeez> pinky and the brain for those that do not get it ;)
[02:25:20] <edwardocallaghan> Well what would you guys think of setting up a VPN with a load of are computers and we spread out our CPU load and data on ZFS ect..., would be fun
[02:25:47] <sahafeez> i would like to keep my porn collection private thank you ;)
[02:25:50] <edwardocallaghan> *project
[02:26:03] <edwardocallaghan> lol I mean as a project
[02:26:24] * jamesd has enough computers, more than i care to power on at the moment
[02:26:28] <edwardocallaghan> Use some old P2's and some old SPARC hardware ect...
[02:26:47] <sahafeez> i built a cluster of 44 ibm model 80's onces.
[02:27:33] <sahafeez> that is 12mhz ps/2 model 80s with esdi harddrives.
[02:27:40] <sahafeez> MCA baby!
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[02:28:39] <Auralis> pah, i swap on dot matrix printers
[02:29:06] <sahafeez> ROTFLMAO
[02:29:28] <Tpenta> I have seen swap implemented on 800bi tape
[02:29:37] <edwardocallaghan> Well, it would take the idea of thin clients and we could build a project of people adding there CPU/disk to it and building a bigger farm, then any user who adds to our project can use our whole farm like a grid for thin clients to connect to
[02:29:40] <jamesd> i have my 2 kids  listening and talking over paper cups and a stream as my network.
[02:29:50] <Tpenta> and have done it myself to an rx02 512k 8" floppy
[02:29:51] <jamesd> er s/stream/string/
[02:30:32] <edwardocallaghan> lol guys the idea
[02:30:35] <Tpenta> the other disk on the rx02 was /
[02:30:44] <edwardocallaghan> It would make a fun project no ?
[02:30:59] <Tpenta> imagine that, / fitting into 512k
[02:31:07] <jamesd> that is what i keep telling to my wife, and she still says no i can't buy more computers.
[02:31:42] <edwardocallaghan> Could invite people to try out solaris on our grid
[02:32:04] <edwardocallaghan> In fact maybe Sun would fund such a idea
[02:32:28] * Tpenta wonders how long before the grid would get abused for spam propogation
[02:32:44] <dlg> about 2 hours maybe
[02:32:45] <jamesd> i offer to supply power for a  t2000 or blade 2000  just for the project.
[02:33:03] <Error_404> Tpenta: 5, 10 minutes?
[02:33:07] <jamesd> of course the machine would have to be at my house.
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[02:33:11] <Tpenta> :-D
[02:33:19] <sahafeez> it is not worth it. the time over vpn for jobs would be shitty
[02:34:11] <dlg> depends on the jobs
[02:34:16] <dlg> :)
[02:34:23] <dlg> eg, folding at home or seti
[02:34:36] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: just take part in folding at home and you'll be done
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[02:35:42] <Error_404> or d.net
[02:35:57] <dlg> yeah
[02:35:57] <edwardocallaghan> jamesd:thanks !
[02:36:12] <edwardocallaghan> I need to get a website up and set it all up
[02:36:42] <edwardocallaghan> but would make a great project to people to come and explore Solaris without needing to install it
[02:37:08] <edwardocallaghan> Could build on this, open for comments
[02:37:09] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, of course i don't own a blade 2000 or t2000 those would have to be donated... but i do promise to provide power for them
[02:37:26] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[02:37:39] <edwardocallaghan> PS I like your java script lol
[02:38:11] <jamesd> yeah it was a cool find on the web i didn't write it
[02:40:41] <edwardocallaghan> lol I like the Google one
[02:40:48] <edwardocallaghan> Simple but funny
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[02:48:13] <edwardocallaghan> Why does everyone like Rhythmbox ?
[02:48:40] <edwardocallaghan> See Songbird
[02:49:03] <dlg> mpg321 is better
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[02:49:49] <Auralis> as long as those programs need more then 0.0% cpu to play back a mp3 they are crap
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[02:52:33] <jamesd> i like xmms on linux/unix/solaris
[02:53:13] <Auralis> all that xmms needs is a better library system
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[02:53:57] <Theoden-Nexenta> Hmm - sorry if using Rhythmbox offends people here ... I thought I would escape that attitude when I left linux.
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[02:54:25] <jamesd> sorry not offended by software application
[02:54:40] <jamesd> we even let emacs users hang out here.
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[02:57:37] <edwardocallaghan> lol
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[02:58:02] <edwardocallaghan> Well I never saw what was wrong with Xine ?
[02:58:13] <jamesd> we might even let a emacs author or maintainer hang out here.
[02:59:05] <edwardocallaghan> Don't push it
[02:59:12] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[02:59:51] <edwardocallaghan> Microsoft just sent me another one of there junk emails about VISTA
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[03:00:13] <edwardocallaghan> Hmm sounds like some kind of virus, better not install it
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[03:02:43] <quants> in .us Vista runs you!
[03:03:21] <quants> I hate xmms, bmp is way better
[03:04:33] <rydis> When I tried to use bmp for a while, it was messed up about id3 tags. (Using UTF-8 and crap like that.)
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[03:06:01] <quants> what are the most complete opensol projects atm?
[03:06:10] <edwardocallaghan> "in .us Vista runs you!" This makes no sense ?
[03:06:40] <quants> inside joke
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[03:07:20] <rydis> It's a paraphrase of some old jokes, along the lines of "In Soviet Russia, <foo> <bars> you!", isn't it?
[03:07:28] <quants> but if it were inside, would that not make it Intel?
[03:07:41] <quants> rydis: yes
[03:08:58] <quants> except in this case I think they will discover it is all too true
[03:10:40] <Starless_> Vista: "It's alright, we'll tell you where you want to go today"
[03:11:16] <quants> Vista: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow that."
[03:14:43] <onbot> commit by Wyllys Ingersoll:  6501154 kssladm could use KMF
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[03:15:50] <edwardocallaghan> They want every ones finger printers now...
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[03:36:38] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: I'm here now
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[03:36:56] <edwardocallaghan> How's it going?
[03:37:15] <edwardocallaghan> I got all my forms in for my VISA to Australia
[03:37:15] * Doc hands boyd a cookie
[03:37:18] <boyd> Yeah, not bad... It's been a busy few weeks, but starting to settle down
[03:37:31] <boyd> Thanks, Doc... should I eat this in front of customers
[03:37:41] <edwardocallaghan> lol ?
[03:38:05] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: Cool... how long does the process take?
[03:38:18] <edwardocallaghan> They said 2days
[03:39:03] <boyd> Wow.. I thought it would be months
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[03:39:31] <edwardocallaghan> Its taken that long to do all the appointments
[03:39:52] <edwardocallaghan> In fact its taken me 2years to sort it all out
[03:40:03] <edwardocallaghan> But I did every thing on my own
[03:40:04] <boyd> Woah
[03:40:22] <edwardocallaghan> I started when I was 17years old so...
[03:40:33] <boyd> .. anf now you're what, 45?
[03:40:38] <boyd> :)
[03:40:39] <edwardocallaghan> But I did planing in my mind
[03:40:44] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:40:45] <Doc> blah..  visa
[03:41:02] <edwardocallaghan> Doc Who ?
[03:41:05] <Doc> might be going to PNG in a few weeks, and i hadnt thought of visas... needs letters/etc :(
[03:41:13] * boyd opens his browser so he can get the cricket commentary
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[03:41:33] <edwardocallaghan> I am planing on living in Australia though !
[03:41:47] <Doc> why? it's a hole
[03:41:52] <Doc> especially melbourne
[03:41:57] <boyd> Oi!
[03:42:04] <boyd> Doc: HE's going to Canberra
[03:42:13] <boyd> If you're gonna talk holes.....
[03:42:25] <Doc> my god. canberra make melborune look like a mountain!
[03:42:33] <boyd> Hehe
[03:42:44] <Triskelios> haha
[03:43:05] <edwardocallaghan> I plan to live in Melbourne
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[03:43:14] <Doc> nobody lives in melbourne
[03:43:15] <boyd> Good move IMNSHO
[03:43:23] <Doc> they survive, but not live!
[03:43:26] <edwardocallaghan> I am studying in Canberra
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[03:43:35] <edwardocallaghan> Where do you live?
[03:43:36] <boyd> Doc is just bitter cos we won't let him stay here
[03:43:45] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:43:48] <Doc> heh.. i'll be there in a few weeks
[03:44:07] <boyd> Doc: Gimme a yell... we should have a beer or something
[03:44:20] <edwardocallaghan> London is not what its cracked up to be
[03:44:42] * boyd feels at home in london. too many BBC series as a kid
[03:44:48] <richlowe> Oh, it is.  Everyone just gives it the wrong reputation.
[03:45:01] <richlowe> I mean, if you think it's going to be pleasant, sure... but that's just because you've been mislead. :)
[03:45:32] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: You're from .ie originally aren't you?
[03:45:45] <boyd> richlowe: Or if you think there will be water pressure....
[03:46:02] <edwardocallaghan> ie, no I don't come from Internet Exploder ?
[03:46:09] <boyd> :)
[03:47:05] <edwardocallaghan> My dad is from Irland and my mum is from Turkey but I was born and live in London...
[03:47:10] <boyd> Ah
[03:47:31] <edwardocallaghan> *Ireland
[03:48:04] <boyd> That would be more obvious if you were mehmetocallaghan
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[03:48:12] <edwardocallaghan> This move should teach me a lot I think
[03:48:20] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:48:35] <edwardocallaghan> In fact my full name is very funny
[03:49:25] <edwardocallaghan> As I was born the day after valentines day (15)
[03:49:40] <Triskelios> edwardocallaghan, yeah, you probably won't be bothered to move again even wen you do find that melb is a hole...
[03:50:33] <boyd> Oi! What's with the melbourne bashing?
[03:50:34] <edwardocallaghan> I always keep my options open but CSIRO looks very attractive to me
[03:50:43] <edwardocallaghan> yea ?
[03:51:02] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: When you said your name was funny I thought it may be "anenglishmanascotsmanandanirishmanwalkintoabar..."
[03:51:04] <edwardocallaghan> Its a very nice please from what I have found out about it
[03:51:19] <boyd> Looks nice out the window to me :)
[03:51:52] <edwardocallaghan> Where abouts are you boyd ?
[03:52:02] <boyd> Right now?
[03:52:28] <edwardocallaghan> Maybe one day soon we can may be meet up in a Starbuks or some thing :)
[03:52:33] <edwardocallaghan> Yea
[03:52:57] <boyd> Here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=22+Queen+St,+Melbourne+VIC+3000,+Australia&ie=UTF8&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.307813,65.830078&z=16&om=1&iwloc=addr
[03:53:27] * boyd waits for the ICBMs
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[03:53:47] <edwardocallaghan> ICBMs ?
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[03:54:03] <boyd> Inter-Continental Balistic Missiles.
[03:54:20] * boyd remembers when everyone knew what that meant
[03:54:29] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to come to your door and put a CD though your letter box with the Linux kernel on it hehe :D
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[03:54:42] <boyd> Hehe... better than vista :)
[03:55:01] <edwardocallaghan> Oh yes look on ebay for them ICBMs ;)
[03:55:25] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and you may not want to run Vista on them !
[03:55:34] <boyd> :)
[03:56:14] <boyd> Actually, last ime I looked, the EULA for windows explicitly excluded use in nuclear power stations. I don't remember anything about nucleaar weapons
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[03:56:38] <richlowe> I thought the phrase used in such things was "nuclear facilities"
[03:57:00] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:57:14] <onbot> commit by qh201292:  6511415 Need to force gcc shadow build in usr/src/cmd/stmsboot/Makefile; 6511472 Make stmsboot_util.c gcc shadow build clean
[03:57:15] <richlowe> that's the phrasing used in the Java license anyway.
[03:57:24] <edwardocallaghan> Kind of proves there up time
[03:57:43] <umodjm> what is "sxcr" ?
[03:57:47] <edwardocallaghan> brb
[03:57:52] <boyd> Actually, I think the section I'm thinking of is from the Java license that was part of the license for NT4
[03:58:30] <boyd> umodjm: http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/
[03:58:45] <richlowe> and the java license just forces you to explicitly acknoweldge it wasn't intended to be used in anything to do with them.
[03:59:29] <boyd> Yeah... but for rhetorical purposes I used some license... no pun intended
[04:00:09] <richlowe> yeah, I was trying to find an actual license for the solaris binary releases to see if the phrasing is there, too.
[04:00:30] <Triskelios> wait, so the "nuclear facilities" thing was always part of a Java licence?
[04:01:31] 
[04:02:20] <Triskelios> but the existence of that clause in the Windows EULA was always Java's fault?
[04:02:31] <umodjm> I have an Ultra10 and had tried installing solaris 10.. i could never get the network up. There was never a place to set the hostname and "unknown" caused all sorts of grief.
[04:02:52] <dlg> i just found i have 4 spare u10s
[04:02:54] <umodjm> is there a "starter guide" other than the crap PDFs sun provides?
[04:02:55] * dlg sigh
[04:03:10] <boyd> I don't know about always, but the version I remember had a "the following section is for java" part
[04:04:11] <boyd> umodjm: I'm sure there are other guides, but if you have a specific problem people here can likely help
[04:04:15] <Triskelios> hm... there's an NT4 licence in a plastic packet in my room but I don't want to open it to check
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[04:05:13] * boyd remembers seeing it in the white-text-on-blue part of the install. He installed NT4 literally 100s of times.
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[04:05:16] <Triskelios> umodjm: I just helped someone install on an Ultra 5 yesterday, the process is the same as for newer machines...
[04:05:29] <Triskelios> umodjm: usually there are no problems
[04:05:50] <umodjm> boyd: thanks, I'll try reinstalling solaris10 and come back with specifics. Its got debian on it now, but I really wanted a solaris box.
[04:05:52] <umodjm> thanks again
[04:06:12] <boyd> I've never has a problem with networking on a U5
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[04:07:21] <Triskelios> umodjm: the only reasons I can think of that the hostname would be "unknown" is that it's trying to use DHCP and not getting a response
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[04:09:33] <edwardocallaghan> Did you plump hme0 ?
[04:11:06] <edwardocallaghan> umodjm:Hi
[04:11:13] <edwardocallaghan> ifconfig hme0 plumb
[04:11:13] <edwardocallaghan> touch /etc/dhcp.hme0
[04:11:13] <edwardocallaghan> touch /etc/hostname.hme0
[04:11:13] <edwardocallaghan> unless you get an hostname from the dhcp server, echo hostname > /etc/nodename
[04:11:13] <edwardocallaghan> REBOOT ME
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[04:13:07] * boyd reboots edwardocallaghan
[04:13:48] * Triskelios wants new boots =\
[04:13:50] <edwardocallaghan> boyd:localedward.localocallaghan SPARC
[04:13:50] <edwardocallaghan> Login:
[04:14:13] <boyd> Man that was quick. I thought the RAM checks would take ages
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[04:18:05] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[04:18:24] <umodjm> back with question #1 during solaris 10 installation...
[04:19:19] <umodjm> "name service" dialog, options are NIS+,NIS,DNS,LDAP,None...  it'll be one of several boxes on my lan.. DHCP is active on the gateway
[04:19:50] <Triskelios> most people use DNS
[04:19:53] <umodjm> do I chose DNS/
[04:20:04] <umodjm> ok, will it then prompt me for a nameserver?
[04:20:12] <Triskelios> correct
[04:20:35] <edwardocallaghan> I chose None
[04:20:59] <edwardocallaghan> Then just do the ^ thoughts commands
[04:21:03] <umodjm> ok, last Q (for a  few ;-)) -- do I use my router/gateway as the nameserver or do i use one from my ISP?
[04:21:25] <Gr|ffous> normally, your ISP, unless you have a name server yourself?
[04:21:26] <edwardocallaghan> Your router
[04:21:29] <Triskelios> umodjm: that's up to you
[04:21:44] <Triskelios> dhcp should override it anyway
[04:21:45] <edwardocallaghan> What kind of a router do you have *
[04:21:56] <umodjm> no nameserver, but i had thought that part of a dhcp grant was to pass along a nameserver or two
[04:22:03] <umodjm> not sure why that's not the case with solaris..
[04:22:30] <Triskelios> it does work, but the installer might need something valid first
[04:22:35] <edwardocallaghan> Chose None and just do them commands, I got a Ultra 10 and know it works
[04:22:36] <umodjm> it's just one of those dlink wifi/wired routers
[04:23:21] <umodjm> " ^ thoughts "  ?
[04:23:46] <edwardocallaghan> *them
[04:24:12] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry about my spelling and Gaim trying to make it better :/
[04:24:39] <edwardocallaghan> ifconfig hme0 plumb
[04:24:40] <edwardocallaghan> touch /etc/dhcp.hme0
[04:24:40] <edwardocallaghan> touch /etc/hostname.hme0
[04:24:40] <edwardocallaghan> unless you get an hostname from the dhcp server, echo hostname > /etc/nodename
[04:24:40] <edwardocallaghan> REBOOT ME
[04:25:27] <umodjm> will try that.. thank you
[04:25:36] <edwardocallaghan> :)
[04:25:51] <edwardocallaghan> But I am not hard core at the moment and I am going to bed
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[04:26:02] <edwardocallaghan> So have a very good night
[04:26:19] <edwardocallaghan> jamesd if your still around have a good night
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[04:26:34] <edwardocallaghan> boyd: Good day to you ;)
[04:26:41] <boyd> Night
[04:27:03] <umodjm> edwardocallaghan: thanks for your help
[04:27:19] <jamesd> i am having a goodnight,
[04:28:22] <edwardocallaghan> No problem
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[05:32:36] <Tpenta> http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/modifying_your_predictions_does_not
[05:33:13] <Tpenta> Time to take Mr Cringley to task (again)
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[05:37:52] <charlieS> heh :)
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[05:39:01] <Gr|ffous> fair comment I guess. subtle but distinctly different
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[05:40:03] <jamesd> Tpenta, forward to johnathan that each blogger takes  cringley to task gets  2GB of u20 ram for do it...  ;-)  great pr program, i would think
[05:40:22] <Tpenta> :)
[05:40:28] <Tpenta> I'm just annoyed that he has done it again
[05:41:17] <jamesd> don't worry seems like all the stockholders aren't paying attention they were up 10 cents yesterday alone and sun closed at over $6.00
[05:41:20] <xinkeT> that's how he gets readers.. by being controversal :)
[05:41:31] <jamesd> up nearly 2 dollars  in the last 6 months
[05:42:31] <jmcp> xinkeT: there's being controversial, and there's being lazy/sloppy/stupid by refusing to provide substance to allegations like "more bad news for Sun"
[05:42:37] <jmcp> I have a _low_ opinion of him
[05:42:59] <xinkeT> yes well, maybe he was holding a lot of Sun stock when the bubble burst
[05:43:14] <Tpenta> like i siad the actual predictoin was "No good news for SUn" that's a miss
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[05:44:13] <pepe> hi all
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[05:47:57] <xinkeT> most people still have this perception that Sun and Solaris are expensive, proprietary, and going the way of the dodo
[05:48:29] <jmcp> xinkeT: and Cringely assists that perception, despite copious evidence to the contrary
[05:49:23] <xinkeT> yes he does, but it's his opinion.  If people take him at his word then they're not the type of people who are going to be readily convinced otherwise
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[05:50:51] <xinkeT> as in, how is Sun or the solaris community going to convince them
[05:52:24] <ethospir> to get to single user mode I add "-s" to the grub prompt on x86 ? (lost root password.)
[05:52:25] <jbk> hopefully the recent relevation (to sun) that there is more to the business world than the fortune 500 might help :)
[05:52:45] <jbk> (well on the sales /marketing side)
[05:53:14] <xinkeT> when I heard about dtrace and zfs in MacOS X I thought "wow, Sun is finally getting some recognition for being a real innovator", and then I thought "no, it's just going to make more people buy Apple/MacOS X"
[05:53:49] <jbk> well hopefully it gets more people saying 'hmm.. wonder what other cool stuff is in solaris, maybe i should take a look at it'
[05:54:09] <xinkeT> you and I would like to think that, but I don't think that's how it will ultimately play out
[05:54:12] <jbk> maybe noe everyone
[05:54:15] <jbk> err not
[05:54:24] <jamesd> xinkeT, its okay, no one is going to buy  Apple for real servers anyway, and no one is going to write a dtrace tool kit for OSX so the majority of users wont benefit from dtrace. only developers will.
[05:54:25] <rydis> Perhaps even "Hmm... Sun hardware gives way more !/$ than Apple.".
[05:55:14] <jbk> but it does take a long time to change perceptions
[05:55:26] <jbk> i know people/places that still think hp-ux is the future
[05:55:28] <umodjm>  /quit "FedoraFolders needs more of my cpu cycles..."
[05:55:31] <jbk> (i wish i was joking)
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[05:55:48] <xinkeT> jamesd: Apple hasn't aggressively attacked the server space, yet
[05:56:03] <Tpenta> I also posted tohis forum. lets see if he responds
[05:56:17] <jbk> sounds like perhaps they're more interested in the consumer space
[05:56:20] <jbk> at least at the moment
[05:56:24] <jamesd> xinkeT, they have but failed, they produced lots of disk boxes in hopes of getting the server market but none succeeded
[05:56:29] <xinkeT> .edus used to have lots of sun gear.. now all I hear is "we replaced all the sun gear with machines running linux"
[05:56:40] <Tpenta> it was almost tempting to add into the blog "Why no Sun predictino this year? Too hard to make a doom and gloom one for us?"
[05:56:59] <Tpenta> "at least one that sounds vaguely credible"
[05:57:32] <xinkeT> jamesd: the only perception against them is that they've never really been players yet
[05:58:09] <rydis> Apple had those Xserve thingies, too, which seemed fairly interesting for a while.
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[05:58:44] <xinkeT> they are attacking niche markets though and gaining a lot of ground, especially the life sciences
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[06:02:05] <rydis> Smallish computation servers seem to be replaced by high-end desktop machines, but that's not so strange. The only strange part is that people actually seem to /want/ MacOS on their desktops. ;)
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[06:04:59] <jmcp> rydis: works for me. I'd happily have macosX for my desktop, but I don't want to fork out for mac hardware
[06:06:14] <xinkeT> if it was sitting on top of a solaris kernel, in a heartbeat
[06:07:31] <jmcp> xinkeT: that's my unstated minimum requirement, too :)
[06:07:42] <rydis> OK. People differ, and most are strange. I can't stand the UI, and most of the applications that come with the OS are (IMO) crappy.
[06:08:03] <xinkeT> rydis: and would you consider yourself a develper?
[06:08:30] <rydis> I don't know. Not really. A bunch of other people might.
[06:08:50] <xinkeT> there's a lot about macos X that bugs me, but I have a powerbook and it's the one computer I use as a tool
[06:10:54] <xinkeT> the big difference for me is that the hardware/software just works.  You can get the same with Sun/Solaris, but not as an affordable laptop
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[06:12:26] <xinkeT> I love my ultra40 but there are still times when the PC hardware aspects suck.  When Sun figures out a way to have openfirmware on x86...
[06:14:11] <jamesd> well at least you can boot and press one function key and tell it what drive to boot.
[06:17:21] <quants> I love openfirmware, but mine is on ppc
[06:18:06] <quants> I really don't like sun hardware, for a lot of reasons
[06:18:21] <quants> I like solaris
[06:18:38] <quants> I have high hopes for polaris
[06:18:52] <quants> it's like win win
[06:19:30] <jbk> i like their server hardware
[06:19:46] <jbk> it's won me some money in some bets with some hp & aix sysadmins :)
[06:20:01] <quants> em?
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[06:22:04] <jbk> apparently (at least at the time) hp & ibm didn't believe in common components in their unix server lines (along with a modular kernel)
[06:22:11] <quants> Apple was stupid to jump from ppc
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[06:23:44] <quants> the stuff I run takes days on P4 runs in 15min on my ppc970
[06:24:46] <quants> the last thing I saw that fast was Alpha
[06:24:52] <boyd> That must be like the only piece of software in the world to show that kind of difference
[06:25:07] <quants> not really
[06:25:10] <boyd> Alpha's done quite well too :)
[06:26:04] <quants> once you're in 64bit land the landscape alters a lot
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[06:34:15] <onbot> commit by cm136836:  PSARC 2006/621 mpxio path steering; 6481882 provide a mechanism for issuing path specific SCSI commands
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[06:39:54] <ashok> i have strange problem while installing open solaris
[06:40:07] <lloy0706> For some reason, my gaim is crashing whilst attempting to connect to freenode :(
[06:40:51] <ashok> My monitor reboots while booting with solaris
[06:41:05] <quants> monitors boot?
[06:41:31] <ashok> Its not receiveing any signal from my processor sorry it gets powered off
[06:41:35] <lloy0706> Given a core file, is there an easy way to work out what program caused it? I'm not sure if the core file is one from gaim or something else that might have crashed...
[06:41:59] <lloy0706> ashok: Have you let it attempt to boot for a few minutes to see if it suddenly gets signal back?
[06:42:12] <lloy0706> ashok: Mine loses signal sync when it changes from console -> X.
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[06:42:44] <ashok> lloy0706:yep i tried it but it did not i could go into GU/linux
[06:42:59] <boyd> lloy0706: file core
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[06:43:28] <boyd> also, pargs core, pstack core ....
[06:44:01] <lloy0706> I tried pstack but couldn't see the wood for the trees.
[06:44:45] <lloy0706> ashok: When you installed your OpenSolaris, did you use the console installer or the installer that ran X?
[06:45:25] <ashok> X
[06:45:40] <ashok> lloy0706:shall i try it with console
[06:45:53] <lloy0706> ashok: So, it seems that the installer knows how to run the monitor and get some version of X running.
[06:46:32] <lloy0706> ashok: If you happen to have another machine and happen to know what IP address the Solaris box has...you could try using SSH to see if it's alive at all...
[06:46:57] <lloy0706> ashok: I'm not quite sure what to give a Solaris kernel to make it *not* boot the graphical login application...
[06:47:13] <ashok> lloy0706:Its not in a network a stand alone sytem
[06:48:38] <lloy0706> ashok: Have you tried the Solaris Safeboot mode?
[06:48:45] <lloy0706> ashok: On my system, it's the second choice.
[06:48:57] <ashok> lloy0706:No i havent
[06:49:10] <lloy0706> ashok: It might be useful to try that.
[06:49:30] <ashok> lloy0706:Ok will try with that
[06:49:42] <lloy0706> At least then you might know if Solaris is working at all.
[06:50:37] <lloy0706> Once you know where it's stopped working, you should have a better time working out how to fix it.
[06:50:43] <ashok> lloy0706:Ok.,is there any logs i can check from a live cd
[06:51:04] <lloy0706> ashok: There's logs in /var/log
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[06:52:17] <lloy0706> ashok: I come from a GNU/Linux background so at times I can get lost in Solaris. Everything is familiar but different at the same time.
[06:52:30] <ashok> ok thanks will try booting in safe mode but i have an issue with the menu.lst i try to copy my reference to debian frim my Linux's menu.lst
[06:53:29] <lloy0706> ashok: As far as I can tell, the grub that Solaris uses is configured exactly the same way that the grub that Linux uses.
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[06:53:52] <ashok> it showed a grub error when i checked the file with belemix live cd the menu.lst is now a java class file so i replaced the menu.lst in solaris from my linux box
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[06:54:15] <lloy0706> How in the world did menu.lst become a java class file?
[06:54:36] <ashok> So my menu.lst has only a refernce to GNU/linux rather the solaris .I dont know:p
[06:54:53] <ashok> It showed some cryptic 1's and 0's
[06:56:09] <lloy0706> ashok: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5166/6mbb1kpuc?a=view
[06:56:17] <lloy0706> ashok: That's the "man bootadm" manual page.
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[06:56:58] <lloy0706> ashok: I've not worked very much with that command because OpenSolaris, for me, has "just worked" for the most part. Plus I don't have any other operating systems installed on the machine that I'm in.
[06:57:55] <ashok> ok then will try the safe mode and reply back thanks pal
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[06:58:27] <lloy0706> If OpenSolaris would crash and burn more, I'd know how to fix it :P
[06:58:29] <lloy0706> lol@me
[06:58:54] <quants> kinda sad thinking abou that truth
[06:59:18] <quants> I know a great deal about linux
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[08:37:45] <onbot> commit by ethan quach:  6512486 Install GRUB menu needs update for SDX name change.
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[11:16:56] <Triskelios> hm, how do I read a CF card in a PCMCIA slot? the pcata driver attaches but rmformat doesn't show a disk
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[11:18:16] <onbot> commit by jj204856:  5030630 bcmp() on x86 cannot be dtraced
[11:19:44] <gallium> Triskelios: Its been a while!
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[11:22:39] <Triskelios> whoa, yeah it has
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[11:24:56] <jethro> hi
[11:25:01] <jethro> what's the solaris 10 equivalent to editing /etc/system when one wants to set no_exec_user_stack ?
[11:25:06] <Triskelios> gallium: how's it going these days?
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[11:26:31] <kimc> good morning
[11:27:18] <Peanut> jethro: I think that's default in Solaris 10, probably even 9 already. I remember setting it on S8 boxes.
[11:27:25] <kimc> how can i get a list of services configured with smf ?
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[11:27:42] <jethro> kimc: I'd say svcs -a
[11:27:51] <kimc> thanks
[11:27:59] <jethro> Peanut: ok, now default or not, how does one set such tunables in solaris 10 ?
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[11:28:20] <Peanut> jethro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_bit#Solaris
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[11:29:24] <jethro> Peanut: and what about other tunables, such as coredumpsize ?
[11:31:45] <IvanR_> jethro: Tunable Parameters manual: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0404
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[11:38:21] <jethro> IvanR_: thanks!
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[11:38:42] <jethro> well,  y'all have a good day!
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[12:05:26] <kimc> trying to get dovecot running on sxcr.. imported into smf and say: svcadm enable dovecot  svcs -a|grep dovecot shows it is offline
[12:05:41] <kimc> no dovecot processes are running
[12:05:49] <kimc> how can i debug this ?
[12:06:14] <kimc> nothing in logs that i can find
[12:08:05] <andersmo> kimc: run svcs -x ?
[12:08:18] <andersmo> kimc: it might point you to SMF's logs, which may contain more info.
[12:09:21] <quasi> kimc: svcs -xv dovecot should give you extra info about logs and things
[12:09:26] <kimc> there are 2 dependent services not running: LP print server and NFS client
[12:09:33] <kimc> stby
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[12:10:30] <lasseoe> your dependencies are all wrong it seems
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[12:11:00] <kimc> svc:/network/imap:dovecot (Dovecot IMAP server)
[12:11:00] <kimc>  State: offline since Fri Jan 12 06:02:23 2007
[12:11:00] <kimc> Reason: Service svc:/network/nfs/client:default is disabled.
[12:11:00] <kimc>    See: http://sun.com/msg/SMF-8000-GE
[12:11:00] <kimc>   Path: svc:/network/imap:dovecot
[12:11:01] <kimc>           svc:/network/nfs/client:default
[12:11:02] <kimc> Impact: This service is not running.
[12:11:12] <lasseoe> unless you need LP, then don't set dependencies on it :)
[12:11:16] <lasseoe> same goes for NFS client
[12:11:55] <andersmo> That manifest probably requires a little modification. However, enabling the nfs client shouldn't hurt much either, and may be an easier way out. =)
[12:12:18] <lasseoe> yes, that could, if nothing else, prove what's wrong
[12:12:33] <kimc> i could modify the manifest, removing the nfs client part
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[12:16:20] <kimc> after editing the manifest how should i re-read the file ?
[12:16:37] <kimc> import it again ?
[12:17:17] <andersmo> yep
[12:17:51] <kimc> tnx
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[12:21:12] <kimc> great! its online
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[12:21:27] <kimc> now lets see if it works
[12:27:46] <lloy0706> lol@Sun
[12:28:04] <lloy0706> I've just downloaded the Glassfish user guide from: https://glassfish.dev.java.net/javaee5/docs/DocsIndex.html
[12:28:23] <lloy0706> On the bottom of each page it has: Sun Confidential - Internal Use Only
[12:28:38] <lloy0706> Like, hello, they've got it on the Internet.
[12:28:47] <Gr|ffous> :)
[12:28:54] <lasseoe> that happens a lot
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[12:29:22] <Triskelios> it's called "being too lazy to regenerate PDFs without the watermarking"
[12:29:44] <gallium> lloy0706: feel priveledged. ;)
[12:29:45] <lloy0706> Then how do they know which documents are REALLY confidential and which ones are NOT?
[12:30:14] <gallium> privileged, rather
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[13:00:35] <boyd> Evening, all
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[13:03:48] <boyd> Well that's a bummer. iPhone a closed platform. I'm out.
[13:04:16] <triplah_> i was out when i read "2mp camera"
[13:04:36] <boyd> Meh... camera is of no interest to me
[13:04:46] <triplah_> my next phone is going to be an 8gb media player that can play oggs, with a 3mp or better camera
[13:05:03] <triplah_> i think i'll be waiting for a bit
[13:05:04] <triplah_> :P
[13:05:11] <boyd> :)
[13:05:19] <quasi> 3mp doesn't help much if the lens is crap
[13:05:47] <boyd> Phone lenses are always covered in crap
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[13:08:30] <triplah_> yeah you'd need a cover
[13:08:36] <triplah_> i like the sony cybershot phone
[13:08:51] <LeftWing> boyd: Closed or not, it looks sexy. =P
[13:09:11] <boyd> Certainly does... but for me the sexy wears off after a while
[13:09:39] <LeftWing> Well, I still enjoy my iPod and that's pretty closed.
[13:09:48] <boyd> True, me too.
[13:09:56] <triplah_> i run rockbox on mine
[13:09:59] <triplah_> ogg++
[13:10:10] <boyd> Jobs' comment 'These are devices that need to work, and you can't do that if you load any software on them.' seems to come from MacOS 1984
[13:10:33] <triplah_> he said that then?
[13:10:36] <triplah_> man, ouch
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[13:10:49] <boyd> No I mean he said that like yesterday about the iPhone
[13:10:50] <LeftWing> boyd: To be honest, many punters need that kind of platform.
[13:11:06] <quasi> boyd: and yet the fanboys jump on the bandwagon every time apple ships another ripoff product in a shinier package
[13:11:21] <triplah_> boyd: egads, that sounds very... dated?
[13:11:33] <boyd> My point exactly
[13:11:36] <quasi> LeftWing: there's so much wrong with the iphone that I wouldn't take it for free
[13:11:53] <Cyrille> well Apple's strength is the shiny packaging (and simple interfaces).
[13:11:55] <boyd> Well.. let's not go overboard. I'll have your free one
[13:11:58] <LeftWing> quasi: My major qualms with it are an apparent lack of MMS support and no 3G as of yet.
[13:12:03] <LeftWing> quasi: What've you got?
[13:12:28] <quasi> LeftWing: cingular, price, battery life for starters
[13:12:47] * boyd can't reconcile all the ludicrous brand names in the 3G space. I don't know what it's got.
[13:12:50] <LeftWing> Well I'm not in the US so Cingular isn't a problem for me.
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[13:13:11] <boyd> Wel... it'd be a big problem if you're not in the US :)
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[13:13:24] <LeftWing> hehe
[13:13:25] <quasi> LeftWing: neither am I, but I would ex[ect them to do similar nasty deals elsewhere
[13:13:48] <LeftWing> Again, I imagine it's probably a necessary marketingism.
[13:14:09] <boyd> Closed, closed, closed
[13:14:09] <darrenm> the whole fact that it is supposed to be a PDA and iPod replacement as well as phone means that being tied to any teclo carrier is a non starter for me.  There is no way I would by such a device tied to a given carrier - it needs to be "unlocked"
[13:14:36] <quasi> at $600 with a 2 year plan, it is going to be bleeding expensive without
[13:14:54] <LeftWing> mmm, well.
[13:15:16] <LeftWing> It isn't a product for everyone, anyway, but I imagine it'll be at least moderately popular.
[13:15:37] <quasi> not having the api opened up is another bad thing - you're stuck with their apps
[13:16:00] <LeftWing> They look like pretty reasonable apps, though.
[13:16:19] <LeftWing> Having used the steaming heap that is a Blackberry, anyway.
[13:16:26] <boyd> Sure, but what if you want, say, a currency converter.
[13:16:29] <boyd> or a Sudoku
[13:16:37] <boyd> or a world clock
[13:16:48] <quasi> boyd: tough luck
[13:16:52] <LeftWing> You can get Widgets apparently, I imagine there'll be third party widgets.
[13:16:53] <boyd> Indeed.
[13:17:10] <boyd> Maybe that's a loophole in what jobs is saying
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[13:17:54] <LeftWing> I'm pretty sure that they've thought about the mobile game market, too, for instance.
[13:18:10] <LeftWing> They've been sitting on this phone for long to look at what punters do with their phones.
[13:18:11] <boyd> You'd have to think so...
[13:18:17] <LeftWing> *long enough
[13:18:20] <boyd> It could be just more coyness
[13:18:50] <darrenm> I'm surprised there was no mention of Java ME - for games since that is a HUGE market
[13:19:13] <LeftWing> Consider that it isn't being released until June, anyway.
[13:19:23] <boyd> I'm not surprised there was no mention. I'd be surprised if it's not there though
[13:19:24] <quasi> darrenm: then they would probably have to open it for others
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[13:19:42] <LeftWing> The whole point of the Keynote was to show off the spanky new features.
[13:19:52] <LeftWing> There were a lot of buttons on that main screen that Jobs never pressed.
[13:20:09] <darrenm> yeah but there is no mention of it in the website either which is where things like battery life etc are mentioned
[13:20:18] <quasi> talk up the stock price before he gets his next pile of options? ;)
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[13:20:31] <boyd> The sucky battery life, that is
[13:20:47] <LeftWing> I only get 5-6 hours talk time out of my Nokia 6288...
[13:21:21] <boyd> Actually, I've never measured mine... but it's lousy. (6288 too)
[13:21:33] <LeftWing> They're a nice phone, though, the 6288.
[13:22:12] <boyd> Yeah, not bad... they seem relatively free of the bone-headed software design decisions that so many phones have
[13:22:17] <LeftWing> If only I wasn't being shafted by Vodafone on data rates, I'd get a lot more use out of it too I suspect.
[13:23:01] <LeftWing> "$1/five minute block of Data Access" is such bollocks.  How am I supposed to do push e-mail with that.
[13:23:10] <darrenm> it isn't the talk of audio/video play time that worries me but the "standby" time.
[13:23:13] <quasi> ah, nifty - the secondlife solaris build howto - http://blogs.sun.com/siva/entry/second_life_client_running_on1
[13:23:23] <boyd> The telcos are extortionists.
[13:23:32] <boyd> darrenm: indeed.
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[13:23:39] <darrenm> based on my ipod experience the standby time is what sucks (I'm on my second ipod battery)
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[13:24:11] * boyd wants to mention that he's still on his first but is afraid the iPod will hear
[13:24:12] <LeftWing> boyd: The thing is, I even tried to give in to the extortion -- "I'll pay $30/month extra on top of the $49/month cap thing to get 10MB of data in an untimed fashion, OK Vodafone?" "No, you won't.  We can't bill like that."
[13:24:59] <boyd> LeftWing: Yeah, they suck... they seem only to target high-end users whose companies are paying
[13:25:24] <LeftWing> Well, if you don't go on a Cap plan, and instead give in to ridiculous call pricing you can get reasonable data rates.
[13:25:29] <LeftWing> But I want to make calls.
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[13:25:58] <LeftWing> And their coverage is utter crap in Newcastle.
[13:26:05] <boyd> The whole idea of time-based charging is like something from the 60s
[13:26:10] <LeftWing> I can't use my phone in most of my house.
[13:26:11] * boyd is on a Cap too
[13:27:09] <LeftWing> I'm thinking of taking the "pay 50% of remainder of cost" and switching back to Optus when I'm into the second year of contract.
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[13:28:01] <boyd> I've been with them for about 11 years. Covereage hasn't bothered me in melb. I only really care a little bit about data when I'm honest with myself
[13:28:05] <bougie> hello :)
[13:28:10] <boyd> Hi
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[13:34:09] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
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[13:34:16] <boyd> Hey
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[13:34:25] <edwardocallaghan> boyd your awake?
[13:34:33] <boyd> Off to bed soon
[13:34:38] <boyd> (It's 23:35)
[13:34:43] <edwardocallaghan> Oh then I'll make it quick
[13:35:39] <edwardocallaghan> I got Solaris on this Ultra10 and want to get SAMP setup
[13:35:55] <edwardocallaghan> As in MySQL Apache PHP
[13:36:03] <edwardocallaghan> Would like PHP5 if poss
[13:36:19] <edwardocallaghan> Can you direct me to any good guides please
[13:36:33] <edwardocallaghan> Come from a Linux background
[13:37:03] <boyd> Well, Apache & mysql are in current OS builds already
[13:37:08] <boyd> I don't know about PHP
[13:37:26] <boyd> You may also want to look here: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
[13:39:02] <edwardocallaghan> To get them service up what commands is that/them?
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[13:39:42] <edwardocallaghan> Oh this looks right CSQamp
[13:39:44] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[13:39:45] <boyd> for apache you want to copy /etc/apache/http.conf-example to /etc/apache.conf and edit. Then start the smf service IIRC. Apache2 is there too
[13:40:19] <edwardocallaghan> How do I install CSQamp ?
[13:40:27] <edwardocallaghan> pkg-add CSQamp ?
[13:40:28] <boyd> pkgadd I'd guess
[13:40:46] <boyd> Scroll down that page
[13:41:03] <edwardocallaghan> Oh I missed that
[13:41:06] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry
[13:41:08] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[13:41:11] <boyd> np
[13:41:24] <edwardocallaghan> OK that should get me going, Thanks !
[13:41:34] <edwardocallaghan> Have a good night boyd
[13:41:41] <boyd> Thx.. good luck
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[14:39:43] <y3it221_klce> need information, where can i find manuals for customizing Belenix live CD
[14:40:09] <sickness> there's the remastering toolkit on the belenix.org site
[14:40:10] <sickness> read the html docs :)
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[14:48:31] <ofu> is a dladm create aggr config lost on the next reboot?
[14:50:39] <quasi> I should think only if you specify -t
[14:52:16] <onbot> commit by mmusante:  6471255 Some ZFS error messages contain spelling errors
[14:52:40] <asyd> \_o<
[14:56:26] <cmihai> ofu: it is lost on reboot unless you add them to hostname.aggr1, /etc/inet and all that
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[15:15:53] <ofu>  cmihai I just found /etc/aggregation.conf... so creating /etc/hostname.aggr1 should be enough... thanks
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[15:50:12] <rcheli> two disks I have, both Seagate's .... in 'format', one shows with partition 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and the other shows 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,8.   How do I rename the '8' to '7'   ?
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[15:52:18] <ofu> rcheli: efi-Label?
[15:52:45] <rcheli> ofu: sorry, what's efi-label ?
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[15:54:58] <ofu> are you working on sparc or x86?
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[15:55:16] <rcheli> sparc
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[15:58:34] <ofu> i cant find what i was looking for right now, but i thought, s8 was the efi-label
[15:59:03] <rcheli> it says "reserved" in the Tag column
[15:59:08] <rcheli> and I can't modify it
[15:59:11] <ofu> partition geometry should also be different for both disks
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[15:59:38] <rcheli> hmmm....that is not good, cuz I wanted to setup SVM on the two disks
[16:01:36] <wgw> good morning
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[16:09:30] <vipe> any idea where I can find a list of best supported audio devices?
[16:10:22] <PerterB> www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[16:10:43] <jteo> FWIW, i810 audio works.
[16:11:37] <vipe> I've a Creative sound blaster X-FI 7.1 installed... but it seems to be unsupported
[16:11:42] <vipe> (for now?)
[16:12:04] <oxygene> tried oss already?
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[16:13:32] <vipe> oxygene: yup, I did. /dev/mixer still missing
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[16:16:13] <Fish> hello
[16:16:28] <vipe> hi
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[16:33:16] <onbot> commit by Ryan Maeda:  6486465 prtdiag is not updated on ldoms for CPU DR unconfigure; 6490065 users should get a hint of what is causing a CPU DR failure; 6507709 ds_handle_unreg_req() tries to acquire the same lock twice; 6509775 remove-vcpu -f option fails to remove a cpu with bound threads
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[16:34:26] <vipe> oxygene: http://desmaele.org/~public/prtconf-pv
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[16:36:40] <jethro> hi again
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[16:37:30] <jethro> I've just been given a sparc with solaris 10 on it, but I don't the root password. I thought boot -s at the eeprom prompt would allow me to have a root shell on the box, but no luck. is there something else I should feed the eeprom with ?
[16:37:47] <jethro> s/don't/don't know/
[16:38:18] <vipe> jethro: netboot or with an install dvd
[16:38:28] <vipe> mount your root slice on /a
[16:38:39] <jethro> hmm
[16:38:40] <vipe> make a backup of /etc/shadow
[16:38:49] <PerterB> what he said... on some releases of 8 and 9 you could get around it with "boot -b", but not on 10
[16:38:57] <jethro> ah ok
[16:39:02] <jethro> I'll just download an install media then
[16:39:09] <jethro> thank you guys
[16:39:28] <vipe> afterwards you can delete the encrypted string in the shadow file
[16:39:45] <jethro> can I chroot a shell in /a and use passwd ?
[16:39:56] <vipe> next time you get your console prompt (cli), login with root and you will not be asked for a password
[16:40:03] <jethro> ok
[16:40:11] <vipe> there is no need to chroot
[16:40:34] <darrenm> chroot and runing passwd might work but it might have problems finding some stuff because /proc isn't mounted in the chroot - easier to do what vipe suggested
[16:40:37] <jethro> I can use passwd directly if I chroot
[16:40:42] <jethro> ok ok
[16:40:55] <jethro> I thought about it because that's what I usually do with *BSD or linux systems
[16:41:20] <vipe> jethro: it's a 2minute job, good luck and have fun! :)
[16:41:45] <jethro> downloading the install media will take more than 2 minutes! :p
[16:41:50] <jethro> but I'll do that anyway, thanks again guys
[16:41:51] <vipe> lol
[16:42:01] <vipe> yw
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[16:48:15] <darrenm> I remeber when I first joined Sun Service we used to need to get a fax from a company director before we were allowed to tell customers the proceedure that vipe just described ;-)
[16:48:18] <darrenm> how things have changed!
[16:48:59] <jbk> haha
[16:50:22] <elektronkind> you're kidding
[16:50:56] <elektronkind> director level permission to disclose that you can boot single-user off of CD?
[16:51:00] <jethro> I was reluctant to ask here because I thought one would tell me this wasn't a chan to give clues on how to compromise a system :)
[16:52:30] <darrenm> nope not kidding.  It isn't "boot single user off CD" it is "how do I bypass the root password"
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[16:53:12] <PerterB> elektronkind: it does seem kind of weird... I could understand if it wasn't common knowledge "in the wild" but when any experienced admin knows you can boot single user from net or media and mount the root filesystem, it seems a bit mean to withold it
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[17:00:33] <Mr_You> New Looking Glass LiveCD is pretty cool.
[17:01:19] <cap_> Mr_You, link?
[17:02:04] <PerterB> https://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net/
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[17:02:44] <Mr_You> https://lg3d-livecd.dev.java.net/
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[17:03:34] <cap_> thanks you =)
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[17:04:24] <jteo> fsck.
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[17:33:51] <jamesd> anyone know how to increase  max open files in solaris express? i know theres a new way that doesn't involve /etc/system but i can't find a link
[17:34:53] <jbk> prctl
[17:35:48] <jbk> process.max-file-descriptor
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[17:40:11] <jamesd> thanks
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[17:44:09] <_william_> hi all
[17:44:38] <vins> hi
[17:44:48] <jamesd> hi _william_  and vins
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[17:48:05] <_william_> how are you jamesd   ?
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[17:48:54] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
[17:48:56] <jamesd> okay, trying to get beagle to work,  its a  fileindexer
[17:48:59] <jamesd> hi edwardocallaghan
[17:49:05] <edwardocallaghan> Hi jamesd
[17:49:12] <edwardocallaghan> Hows it going
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[17:49:32] <vins> i'm a newbie to opensolaris...interested in doin mini-project's in it..your suggestions
[17:49:39] <edwardocallaghan> Ah yea I had a play with beagle
[17:50:08] <edwardocallaghan> vins:I am planing on doing a GUI package managure for blastware
[17:50:29] <edwardocallaghan> hang around untill I get a site up for the project
[17:50:30] <cap_> vins, simulate a COW with zones
[17:50:31] <asyd> managure ?
[17:50:38] <jamesd> i'm lazy so i'm using nexenta it comes with beagle, now i'm just trying to get it to index MS word files.
[17:51:25] <edwardocallaghan> Can any one help me with a coolstack I just installed
[17:51:30] <edwardocallaghan> CSQamp.pkg.bz2
[17:51:46] <edwardocallaghan> Using smf how do I get it all online?
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[17:52:21] <vins> @cap_ .. can u brief
[17:52:34] <cap_> vins, collect flaky drives from your friends and test the limits of zfs robustness
[17:52:41] <cap_> (2nd idea)
[17:52:47] * cap_ is in an odd mood
[17:53:00] <edwardocallaghan> thats a good idea !
[17:53:05] <cap_> vins, COW Cluster Of Workstations
[17:53:55] <Peanut> You can have a drive drive! :) Like a blood drive, but for old HDs.
[17:54:50] <vins> i'm not that familar with zfs
[17:55:02] <edwardocallaghan> Its very easy to pickup
[17:55:17] <edwardocallaghan> There are some good howto's
[17:55:22] <rcheli> I have a zfs question:   if I do  zfs create pool1/users , it will be mounted under /pool1/users .  How do I create it and have it mounted as /users    after the zfs creation ?
[17:55:38] <edwardocallaghan> If your around tonight later I will be
[17:55:43] <asyd> zfs set mountpoint=/users pool1/users
[17:55:46] <asyd> but you should read doc
[17:55:48] <edwardocallaghan> I just got to get there services up
[17:56:22] <rcheli> oh ok, that's a good lead, i'll read up the doc on that part...thanks asyd
[17:56:35] <edwardocallaghan> jamesd:are you around for a sec
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[17:56:41] <edwardocallaghan> a bit stuck
[17:56:44] <jamesd> yes
[17:56:55] <edwardocallaghan> You know there coolstacks ?
[17:57:02] <edwardocallaghan> Like CSQamp.pkg.bz2
[17:57:12] <jamesd> never played with cool stacks
[17:57:25] <edwardocallaghan> I installed it and now I would like to bring apache and all up
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[17:57:32] <edwardocallaghan> Do I use smf ?
[17:57:52] <edwardocallaghan> If so whats the basic syntax to bring httpd up?
[17:57:57] <jamesd> is coolstack  smf enabled?  did it install any manifests?
[17:58:44] <jamesd> svcs -l *apache*
[17:58:44] <jamesd>       and make sure its the the one that is buillt in and comes with solaris
[17:58:48] <edwardocallaghan> manifests ?
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[17:59:47] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# svcs -l *apache*
[17:59:48] <edwardocallaghan> fmri         svc:/network/http:apache2
[17:59:48] <edwardocallaghan> name         Apache 2 HTTP server
[17:59:48] <edwardocallaghan> enabled      true
[17:59:48] <edwardocallaghan> state        maintenance
[17:59:48] <edwardocallaghan> next_state   none
[17:59:50] <edwardocallaghan> state_time   Fri Jan 12 15:24:25 2007
[17:59:52] <Mr_You> vins: might I ask what you mean by "mini project"?
[17:59:53] <edwardocallaghan> logfile      /var/svc/log/network-http:apache2.log
[17:59:55] <edwardocallaghan> restarter    svc:/system/svc/restarter:default
[17:59:56] <edwardocallaghan> contract_id
[17:59:58] <edwardocallaghan> dependency   require_all/error svc:/milestone/network:default (online)
[18:00:00] <edwardocallaghan> dependency   require_all/none svc:/system/filesystem/local:default (online)
[18:00:03] <edwardocallaghan> dependency   optional_all/error svc:/system/filesystem/autofs:default (online)
[18:00:04] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00#
[18:00:06] <edwardocallaghan> maintenance ?
[18:00:24] <jamesd> that is the apache that comes with solaris... and not the one you want
[18:00:35] <edwardocallaghan> I followed these pages http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
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[18:03:07] <Mr_You> I'm wondering if Solaris will run on this laptop I have.
[18:03:14] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5122005&tstart=0
[18:04:49] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks that answer some questions
[18:05:03] <vins> guys..thanks for ur ideas..leaving..
[18:05:08] <edwardocallaghan> Although I dont yet understand the way Sun names everything
[18:05:17] <edwardocallaghan> smf I mean what ?
[18:05:37] <_syphilis_> what would you have called it?
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[18:05:42] <darrenm> SMF = Service Management Framework
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[18:05:57] <edwardocallaghan> I would call it edward lol
[18:06:02] <darrenm> would you rather it was known by its project codename: Greenline
[18:06:16] <edwardocallaghan> I like green
[18:06:19] <_syphilis_> linux called theirs "initng", which is hardly a better name
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[18:06:53] <cap_> smf is short and unixy, I like it =)
[18:06:56] <edwardocallaghan> lol calm down I said I don't yet know why Sun call them the way they are
[18:07:04] <cap_> now you do ;-)
[18:07:17] <edwardocallaghan> Now I know what it stands for
[18:07:24] <Stric> or do the apple way, replace a working thing that has dependencies etc (for instance you can say "don't start this until you have network up and running") with something that has no dependencies. everything starts at the same time.
[18:07:33] <edwardocallaghan> But I still dont know how to use it to start my services ?
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[18:07:49] <cap_> man smf?
[18:07:54] <Cyrille> man svcadm
[18:07:57] <Cyrille> man svcs
[18:07:59] <edwardocallaghan> I have been reading
[18:08:08] <edwardocallaghan> svcs ?
[18:08:42] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, looks like   csqamp is not smp aware you will need to write your own smf manifests or add a  file in /etc/rc*.d  to make the system start it
[18:08:49] <jamesd> er smf aware
[18:08:50] <Cyrille> service status. With -a helps finding out everything that's installed.
[18:09:15] <edwardocallaghan> How do I do that?
[18:09:32] <edwardocallaghan> I am very new to Solaris, but know Linux well
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[18:10:21] <darrenm> start with the info in the smf community on opensolaris.org
[18:10:34] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, you should post to that forum link i gave you early they will have better knowledge of how they set it up,  and may even have smf manifests lurking somewhere.
[18:10:47] <darrenm> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/smf/
[18:11:46] <onbot> commit by Ashish Mehta:  6455727 lighttpd cannot be killed upon hanging in sendfilev()
[18:12:51] <edwardocallaghan> Right well I'll have to learn all this stuff but I kind of need it done now as its not for me but a firend who wants a smal web server
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[18:13:03] <edwardocallaghan> Thats the problem
[18:13:12] <edwardocallaghan> :p time is short
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[18:14:44] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, then start with a nice safe apache like the one that is installed allready or from blastwave or  sunfreeware, and work on the cswamp one and  move to it when you are ready
[18:15:29] <edwardocallaghan> the blastware one broke my solaris install at home
[18:15:36] <edwardocallaghan> This one seems to work
[18:16:04] <edwardocallaghan> I just started Apache though /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start
[18:16:11] <darrenm> you don't have to use smf, you can still use the old init.d rc.d stuff, you just don't get any of the benefits for SMF
[18:16:38] <edwardocallaghan> yea I dont think it matters here
[18:16:53] <edwardocallaghan> but it would be nice to do it right
[18:17:00] <darrenm> if all you want is apache just clone the existing SMF manifest - or if you like you can use svccfg and just change the start method to point to your /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl instead
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[18:17:08] <edwardocallaghan> Going to setup a CMS website for him
[18:17:35] <edwardocallaghan> ok how do I do that please?
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[18:18:07] <edwardocallaghan> I will need to do them same for MySQL but I guess when I know one then I can try the other myself
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[18:21:23] <edwardocallaghan> I am reading man pages here, can anyone tell me how to do this 'svccfg and just change the start method to point to your /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl instead' ?
[18:22:51] <darrenm> svccfg -s apache2 <return>
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[18:22:56] <darrenm> > setprop start/exec = astring: "usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start"
[18:23:01] <darrenm> ^D
[18:23:07] <darrenm> svcadm refresh apache2
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[18:25:16] <edwardocallaghan> Great stuff Thanks ! I emailed it to my self to learn later
[18:25:24] <edwardocallaghan> Right now I do, think later
[18:27:10] <edwardocallaghan> Right now I am going to try and work out the MySQL one myself but can I run it passed you to check please?
[18:27:35] <edwardocallaghan> svccfg -s mysql <return>
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[18:30:32] <edwardocallaghan> setprop start/exec = astring: "usr/local/mysql_32bit/bin/(I DONT KNOW what to put here?) start"
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[18:31:03] <jamesd> _william_, fine, having a problem getting prctl to do what i want
[18:31:04] <jamesd> prctl -n process.max-file-descriptor -v 4096  -i project beagle
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[18:31:25] <jamesd> oops  _william_ i scrolled back and didn't notice
[18:31:40] <jamesd> anyone know how to fix this command  prctl -n process.max-file-descriptor -v 4096  -i project beagle
[18:32:00] <jamesd> prctl: cannot get/set process rctl on task or project
[18:32:00] <jamesd>
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[18:33:29] <estibi> hi
[18:33:41] <jamesd> hello
[18:34:15] <edwardocallaghan> Right well I got Apache working now MySQL :/
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[18:36:56] <edwardocallaghan> jamesd:What do you think?
[18:37:22] <edwardocallaghan> svcs -l *mysql* there nothing ?
[18:37:36] <jamesd> nope.. its not under smf controll either...
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[18:37:51] <edwardocallaghan> Oh ture yes
[18:38:00] <jamesd> follow the mysql solaris 10 instructions... you should find them in google..
[18:38:16] <edwardocallaghan> usr/local/mysql_32bit/bin/(I DONT KNOW what to put here?) start ?
[18:38:23] <edwardocallaghan> Well its almost setup
[18:38:50] <edwardocallaghan> I dont want to redo this at the moment but will on my test system at home
[18:39:13] <edwardocallaghan> usr/local/mysql_32bit/bin/mysql start does not like me ?
[18:39:38] <jamesd> i think the start scripts are in sbin  not bin
[18:40:14] <edwardocallaghan> theres no sbin
[18:40:35] <edwardocallaghan> bash-3.00# pwd
[18:40:35] <edwardocallaghan> /usr/local/mysql_32bit
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[18:54:16] <onbot> commit by Gary Winiger:  6380045 SUNWcdrw and SUNWsndmu don't deliver their authorization helps into SUNW0on
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[19:06:05] <edwardocallaghan> Right thanks everyone I cant do it at the moment then
[19:06:11] <edwardocallaghan> All the best
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[19:54:19] <estibi> when i export ZFS via sharenfs=on the default owner of new created files is NOBODY, how can i change this ?
[19:55:08] <andersmo> estibi: files created by root on the client, you mean?
[19:55:25] <jamesd> estibi, man share
[19:55:44] <estibi> yes
[19:55:53] <estibi> andersmo: ^
[19:56:12] <estibi> i need something like maproot in BSD ..
[19:56:28] <AbeFroman> root=
[19:56:34] <AbeFroman> or anonid=0 or something
[19:56:36] <ShadowHntr> there's an nfs option like that
[19:56:37] <ShadowHntr> yeah
[19:56:42] <ShadowHntr> or smush (don't remember)
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[19:56:57] <ShadowHntr> DAMN !
[19:56:58] <ShadowHntr> :P
[19:56:59] <AbeFroman> that's the linux option (no_root_squash)
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[19:57:03] <andersmo> estibi: man share_nfs - use the root=<host> parameter to share.
[19:57:04] <ShadowHntr> yeah
[19:57:07] <ShadowHntr> no root squash
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[19:57:24] <estibi> ok thanks :)
[19:57:45] <andersmo> estibi: generally, not permitting root on clients to act as root on the file system of the server is a good thing. =)
[19:58:07] <andersmo> estibi: do note that this "root squash" feature won't affect files created by regular users. =)
[19:58:26] <andersmo> (that is, files created by users other than root won't be owned by root.)
[19:58:46] <estibi> andersmo: this is fast partition for my tmp portage directory in gentoo ;)
[19:59:44] <jamesd> estibi, you really shouldn't say things like that in public, it lowers people oppinion of you.
[19:59:49] <andersmo> yikes. he said "gentoo" and "portage". =]
[20:00:12] <andersmo> (yeahyeahyeah, gentoo-bashing is getting old... but... I couldn't help myself. =)
[20:00:39] <estibi> jamesd: i would love to have solaris installed on my laptop ...
[20:00:57] <stevel> so install it :)
[20:01:01] <jamesd> who knows maybe putting gentoo files on solaris may make the gentoo install a bit more stable.
[20:01:34] <andersmo> estibi: well, if you really want root to have nfs access as root on your server, I'd at least want some strong security. Time to play with kerberos and nfsv4! =)
[20:01:57] <estibi> stevel: i have amd turion with ati chipset and sata drive ...
[20:02:37] <stevel> estibi: okay. so install it :)
[20:02:42] <andersmo> estibi: opensolaris' support for amd64 hardware is actually pretty decent. Dunno about ATI graphics drivers, though...
[20:02:47] <estibi> it doesn't work
[20:02:53] <stevel> my laptop is a turion w/ ati chipset
[20:02:56] <stevel> works just fine
[20:03:04] <estibi> hmm
[20:03:17] <jamesd> the bottom of the line  ati chip that is used on a lot of motherboards is very well supported since sun ships such boards that use it
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[20:05:23] <Error_404> no 3d though, i thought
[20:05:34] <Error_404> but then again, sun doesn't ship *anything* with 3d support
[20:06:00] <estibi> stevel: do you have nevada installed on your laptop ?
[20:06:05] <delewis> Error_404: sure they do.
[20:06:06] <estibi> which build ?
[20:06:07] <jamesd> Error_404, sun ships nvidia and the lastest 3d enabled drivers are in nevada.
[20:06:14] <delewis> the XVR-1000 does OpenGL quite nicely.
[20:06:55] <Error_404> ? i was under the impression that the SPARC  machines' graphics drivers were not being included in SX
[20:07:25] <_syphilis_> Error: the issue there is that EOL'd drivers won't be ported to Xorg by Sun
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[20:07:38] <_syphilis_> or rather, drivers for eol'd hardware
[20:07:42] <delewis> Error_404: that would piss of a number of customers, so no.
[20:07:45] <delewis> off*
[20:07:56] <andersmo> Error_404: What did you say? 3D? http://www.sun.com/servers/visualization/ <- like this? =)
[20:07:59] <Error_404> _syphilis_: ahh... i understand
[20:08:00] <delewis> it's almost weekly you seem some patch regarding the XVR-1000 -- usually, broken CATIA support :-)
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[20:08:07] <delewis> s/seem/see/
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[20:08:19] <Stric> <- for instance.. isn't a paying customer, but is helping pushing Sun stuff onto students so they know it when they start working
[20:08:50] <_syphilis_> i wonder if an Xsun module loader for Xorg would be feasible
[20:09:06] <Stric> iirc, the opengl thing is quite different too
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[20:10:39] <estibi> ok, lets start trying to install opensolaris on my laptop ...
[20:10:46] <Error_404> do it
[20:12:21] <_syphilis_> oh no, ksh is infecting tools-discuss now
[20:13:00] <Error_404> well, ksh *is* a tool...
[20:13:29] <_syphilis_> tools-discuss is for development tools, not shells.. it's on t-d because of webrev
[20:13:44] <Error_404> i know....
[20:14:15] * Error_404 wonders why his jests are all falling flat today, decides he needs more coffee
[20:15:40] <_syphilis_> does anyone knows off hand what "Illegal Attachment ...." means from gmail's smtp server?
[20:16:19] <jamesd> _syphilis_, probably a binary attachment that might carry a virus, gmail is very picky about file extentsions.
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[20:18:42] <alanc> bah
[20:19:17] <alanc> anyways, as I was going to say  - so far we've just said that Xsun will be going away in the future, but not set exactly when in the future that will be
[20:19:49] <alanc> availability of SPARC & Sun Ray drivers will definitely affect deciding when that wiil happen
[20:19:52] * delewis holds his cg6 tightly
[20:19:57] * delewis ducks
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[20:24:26] <jamesd> waits for someone to patch xsun back into nevada after its removal, along with usparcI patches just to rub salt into the wounds.
[20:24:56] <estibi> nevada works, byt installer doesn't ...
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[20:25:39] <Error_404> estibi: the graphical installer doesn't work with my laptop either... use the text one
[20:26:03] <estibi> Error_404: ok, i will try ...
[20:26:07] <Error_404> "interactive text in console mode"
[20:26:22] <delewis> jamesd: people have been installing OpenWindows for years after it was dropped.
[20:26:27] <delewis> so I wouldn't count that out.
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[20:26:56] <delewis> there seems to be a certain population that is obsessed with obsolete Sun/Solaris technologies (including, myself) :-)(
[20:27:31] <jamesd> i wonder how  openwindow would behave on my blade 1500 1ghz of usparcIIIi power.
[20:27:40] <delewis> :-)
[20:27:58] <delewis> considering that it ran blazingly fast on my SPARCstation 5..
[20:28:06] <jamesd> exactly
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[20:28:42] <jamesd> i keep threatening to install solaris 8 on since they can't seem to get ZFS to behave on a 512MB machine.
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[20:29:07] <alanc_work> *sigh*
[20:29:08] * Stric gets ZFS to not behave on a 2GB machine :P
[20:29:23] <stevel> estibi: yeah, nevada 55b - but it's been running nevada since build 22
[20:29:29] <jamesd> zfs runs great on my   2GB u2....
[20:29:36] <delewis> as it does on mine.
[20:29:55] <Stric> constantly pushing out 100% of what it can handle?
[20:30:04] <delewis> the smallest amount of physical memory I've ever used with ZFS was 1GB.
[20:30:07] <jamesd> perhaps 40MB/s of scsi channels is not enough to overflow its ram.
[20:30:10] <delewis> but that system was also 32-bit.
[20:30:18] <delewis> jamesd: on an Ultra 2? of course not.
[20:30:40] <estibi> ERROR: Cannot find install software, Exiting to shell
[20:30:42] <delewis> Ultra 2 has a UPA interconnect to the memory, so you're talking 1.5-2GB/s
[20:31:10] <Stric> I'm getting into issues on a blade1000
[20:31:19] <delewis> Stric: no issues here with mine.
[20:31:22] <Stric> but not immediately.. it's after a while when all of ARC is fragmented to ****
[20:31:27] <delewis> I used ZFS with 1GB of memory on a single slice for quite some time
[20:31:42] <jamesd> i have a pair of 20MB/s scsi channels  one is connected to a 36GB drive the other is a 711 disk box with 9 drives,  4x 9GB and 5x 4.3 GB .. never had any problem with ZFS and ram usuage, and i think it started with 1024MB of ram with zfs at the start.
[20:31:43] <delewis> on my SB1000, that is.
[20:31:45] <Stric> 2x7disk raidz2
[20:32:12] <estibi> i have choosen 4. Solaris Interactive Text (Console session)
[20:32:29] <Stric> if I turn on zfs prefetch now, it will start reading like 60MB/s from disk and about 5MB/s of that goes to the client (nfs)
[20:32:32] <delewis> my Ultra 2 is attached to my A5200 and has a 6 disk RAID0+1
[20:32:41] <estibi> nevada 54
[20:33:15] <delewis> I've also got my E4500 attached with a 3-disk RAIDZ, but it also has 8GB of memory :-)
[20:33:37] <estibi> before i have: WARNING: /pci@0,0/pci-ide@14,1/ide@1 (ata1)
[20:33:40] <delewis> oh, and a RAID1 SVM metadisk for root encapsulation.
[20:33:43] <Stric> with 200k dnlc entries, I can exhaust the 2GB machine
[20:33:54] <estibi> timeout: reset bus, target=0 lun=0
[20:34:14] <estibi> so what should i do ?
[20:36:27] <estibi> is there any way to install solaris on my laptop ? :(
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[20:36:52] <jamesd> estibi, if everything else fails install  vmware server and solaris on top of it
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[20:37:46] <onbot> commit by rm160521:  6480849 source of canmount property needs improvement
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[20:40:21] <Error_404> hooray, it's only going to be -5c on sunday
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[20:44:51] <estibi> with FORMAT i have only: 0. c0d0 <drive type unknown>
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[20:52:48] <estibi> so my only way to go is gentoo ... :/
[20:53:11] <jamesd> try running  format -e
[20:53:19] <jamesd> and label the drive with an smi lable
[20:53:22] <jamesd> er label
[20:53:23] <Error_404> have you tried nexenta ?
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[20:53:39] <estibi> Error_404: no
[20:53:55] <Error_404> perhaps that's another option if you can't get SXCR working
[20:54:01] * jamesd is really getting tired of sun's  pathetic installer that can't figure out how to label a drive that wasn't last used by solaris.
[20:54:21] <Error_404> good thing it's getting replaced eventually
[20:55:30] <jamesd> and worse it seems like no one else is willing to give the damm format -e  advice,  i think i have done it for the last 5 or 6 users in #opensolaris and #solaris.
[20:55:38] <estibi> balenix also doesn't work :(
[20:56:08] <jamesd> estibi, try format -e  .. since its at least finding the drive.. it should fix things
[20:56:45] <estibi> jamesd: i will try it but first i have to do backup :)
[20:57:04] <jamesd> oh your dual booting?  yuck
[20:58:46] <onbot> commit by Subhan Mohammed:  6459500 prtdiag should show more information with regards to physical slot locations of I/O components
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[21:24:20] <estibi> hmm, what is source of this problem? missing drivers or partition table ?
[21:24:55] <estibi> format -e doesn't change anything
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[21:44:11] * jbk looks outside and is not going to enjoy the drive home
[21:44:54] <hspaans> traffic jam?
[21:46:39] <jbk> ice & snow
[21:48:05] <hspaans> ow nice, its like we skip winter overhere so you get our part of the winter ;-)
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[21:49:43] <jbk> i'd rather skip winter altogether
[21:49:54] <jbk> i grew up around chicago -- i've seen enough winters to last me the rest of my life
[21:50:04] <hspaans> come to Holland ;-)
[21:50:46] <mihaic> Along with a regular ps, that may be to hard to read :). And a top
[21:55:18] <Error_404> oh shut up, you guys don't know coldl
[21:55:20] <Error_404> cold
[21:55:28] <Error_404> this morning it was -30C
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[21:55:41] <Error_404> that's ~ -22F
[21:55:44] <Error_404> ;)
[21:55:56] <_syphilis_> error: people who live in cold places are more used to colder temperatures
[21:56:05] <Error_404> heh, i guess
[21:56:58] <Error_404> the minute i finish my last final & my BSc is guaranteed, i'm moving south
[21:57:14] <charlieS> ugh, 119963-08 broke tons of shit. Where do I submit Solaris 10 bugs?
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[21:58:46] <_william_> hi all
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[22:00:35] <alanc> let's see if changing my proxy will keep my connection alive more than 2 minutes at a time...
[22:03:51] <trygvis> anyone know how I can get around this: http://rafb.net/p/0vbJ7J52.html
[22:03:56] <trygvis> it happens to all of the blastwave packages
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[22:06:49] <izaak> google i try, i cannot find enough written experience about zfs on 32-bit hardware to know whether it's feasible for my incredibly undemanding needs (basic NAS for a small office).  any tips?
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[22:08:43] <andersmo> izaak: any reason why you think it isn't feasible? =)
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[22:09:27] <izaak> not really, i just like to know that someone out there has done it.
[22:09:48] <Error_404> works fine
[22:09:57] <Error_404> make sure you fill the machine with ram
[22:10:29] <Theoden-Nexenta> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-collection-solaris-zfs-online-demo-or-tutorials.html
[22:11:02] <izaak> Error_404: say it's only running samba and sshd, will it need more than 128MB ram?  usage is pretty light - just used for occasional storage, not running apps off of it.
[22:12:29] <_syphilis_> 128M in the entire system, or spare after the OS is loaded?
[22:12:39] <izaak> entire
[22:12:53] <_syphilis_> what OS are you planning to use?
[22:13:00] <izaak> opensolaris
[22:13:01] <sickness> with 128mb you can't even install solaris10 and 11
[22:13:05] <izaak> mm
[22:13:08] <izaak> k :)
[22:13:13] <_syphilis_> opensolaris isn't a complete OS, you need an OS based on it
[22:13:20] <_syphilis_> (like solaris, which as he says won't install in 128M)
[22:13:37] <sickness> yeah, sxcr won't too, maybe belenix text only could work with 192
[22:13:39] <estibi> izaak: you need 256MB to install nevada
[22:14:25] <izaak> i share an office with a few community organisations so all we have are a bunch of workstations from 2001-2002 :)
[22:15:10] <sickness> izaak: sacrifice one of them for the ram, and make one with at least 512 :)
[22:15:25] <sickness> I've a file server with 512 and works like a charm with zfs
[22:15:33] <izaak> yeah i'm off to some gutting...
[22:15:42] <izaak> sickness: 32-bit?
[22:16:44] <sickness> izaak: nope, amd64, but 512mb is the limit for zfs if you have a 32bit system, so if you have 512mb at all, it doesn't matter 32 or 64 bit :P
[22:16:58] <Error_404> I upgraded mine to a sempron64 (from a sempron) with 512, using zfs
[22:17:00] <Error_404> worked fine
[22:17:03] <andersmo> izaak: 32-bit or 64-bit shouldn't matter much.
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[22:17:17] <Error_404> when it was still a 32 bit system, still worked fine
[22:18:21] <izaak> cool, it's worth trying then.  our needs are small, for now, but i want to avoid learning/using linux/md/lvm.
[22:19:46] <izaak> Error_404: when you upgrade from 32 -> 64, do you have to scratch your zfs?
[22:20:42] <andersmo> izaak: nope, zfs' data format is the same.
[22:20:49] <izaak> nice.
[22:20:57] <izaak> thanks very much for the info.
[22:21:05] <andersmo> izaak: zfs will even adapt itself to the endianness of the system it is running on.
[22:21:40] <andersmo> ...so you can take a zfs from a sparc machine to a x86 machine and vice versa. endianness will be "flipped" as file system structures are read.
[22:24:31] <Error_404> speaking of which, is there a sata card that works for sparc?
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[22:27:11] <Error_404> oh, n/m... i'm retarded
[22:27:16] <Error_404> you can convert sata to scsi
[22:28:57] <Error_404> probably cost me the same amount
[22:32:42] <trygvis> anyone know anything about what's causing my issue above?
[22:33:12] <Error_404> ?
[22:33:35] <trygvis> 22:03 < trygvis> anyone know how I can get around this: http://rafb.net/p/0vbJ7J52.html
[22:35:23] <Error_404> remove CSWpysetuptools & try again
[22:35:28] <Auralis> remove the already install pkg of the same name
[22:36:08] <trygvis> pkg-get usually removed the package before upgrading it anyway
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[22:52:51] <estibi> bye
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[23:21:42] <rcheli> any scriptor alive ? :)
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[23:25:56] <alanc> scriptor?
[23:26:03] <tomww> no, raptor :-)
[23:26:16] <tomww> usually i eat scriptors :-)
[23:26:44] <rcheli> cat file.txt;   will show me several entries line by line.  I want those redundant entries to *not* show up
[23:27:09] <tomww> sounds like uniq -someoptions
[23:27:36] <sommerfeld> or sort | uniq  or sort -u
[23:27:52] <sommerfeld> if the duplicates are spread out through the file
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[23:40:32] <Peanut>  /lastlog onbot
[23:40:40] <Peanut> Err.. :)
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[23:55:18] <terver2> hi, how much space do i need to build ON from source?
[23:55:49] <terver2> i've about 1.5Gb - it will be enough?..





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