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[00:56:47] <lloy0076> Will someone call me an idiot?
[00:56:50] * lloy0076 sigh
[00:57:06] * trygvis smacks lloy0076
[00:57:20] <mega> hi
[00:57:44] <lloy0076> I suddenly remembered that I always have a backup of /opt in /export/home/opt because /opt tends to be the directory I'm most likely to crash/break/screwup.
[00:57:55] <mega> in solaris logins -x -l gives me user's creation date, but where is the date stored?
[00:58:26] * Stormy beats lloy0076 down with a bat
[00:58:35] <jamesd> lloy0076, you could always put /opt on a zfs filesystem then you can take snapshots before you make any changes.
[00:59:24] * Stormy sacifrices a penguin to the sun gods for lloy0076
[01:00:11] <lloy0076> jamesd: I could. However, whilst accustoming myself to how to use ZFS (it's easy, I know), I'm convinced that I'll find the hidden, users won't do that because they're intelligent right? thing that will delete my OS.
[01:00:12] <lloy0076> :P
[01:01:00] <jamesd> lloy0076, zfs checks to see if slices/partions are busy before it makes them into zfs pools
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[01:03:40] <lloy0076> Where would I look to see why /home/lloy0076 won't auto mount to /export/home/lloy0076?
[01:03:57] <lloy0076> I'm sure it used to - autofs seems to be enabled and I haven't fiddled with the auto_* config files.
[01:07:51] <mlh> lloy0076: it's the other way around -- /export/home is automounted to /home
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[01:09:22] <mlh> if you've been able to put stuff directly in /home, that pretty much means automount is not running
[01:09:33] * lloy0076 hmmm
[01:09:43] <lloy0076> StarOffice is complaining that it can't find /home/lloy0076 ...
[01:10:04] <lloy0076> [which it can't because bash is saying that /home/lloy0076 isn't there as well[
[01:10:14] <mlh> can  /export/home/lloy0076  be found?
[01:10:21] <lloy0076> Yes.
[01:10:29] <mlh> does /home exist?
[01:10:37] <delewis> lloy0076, have you edited /etc/auto_home?
[01:10:53] <mlh> is automount running?  what you mean by "seems"
[01:10:53] <lloy0076> bash-3.00$ file home/
[01:10:53] <lloy0076> home/:          directory
[01:11:20] <delewis> edit /etc/auto_home, appropriately.
[01:11:27] <lloy0076> STATE          STIME    FMRI
[01:11:27] <lloy0076> online         10:36:28 svc:/system/filesystem/autofs:default
[01:11:32] <mlh> ps -ef | grep auto
[01:11:38] <mlh> hrm
[01:11:43] <delewis> lloy0076 I'm sure it used to - autofs seems to be enabled and I haven't fiddled with the auto_* config files.
[01:11:46] <delewis> there's your problem
[01:11:47] <mlh> then look at the files as delewis suggested
[01:11:48] <lloy0076> root  3071     1   0 10:36:28 ?           0:00 /usr/lib/autofs/automountd
[01:11:49] <delewis> you haven't edited /etc/auto_home
[01:12:21] <lloy0076> Ah. So there are a few more things that the SMC does that I should have done.
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[01:12:43] <delewis> read automount(1M)
[01:13:02] <lloy0076> Ta
[01:13:21] <mega> ok, logins -x -l doesn't gives me user creation date :)
[01:17:43] <lloy0076> Thanks all for your patience - I've got it back to how it used to be now :)
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[01:44:42] <dwc-> what is a "user" creation date?
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[01:47:22] <jamesd> dwc-, in some countries its there b-day minus  9 months
[01:49:02] <dwc-> what is it everywhere else?
[01:49:23] <jamesd> not sure.
[01:52:56] * lloy0076 somehow I think someone's playing funnies with words here
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[01:58:48] <jamesd> This is the kind of technology that US intelligence agencies use to ensure that "red bits and green bits don't mix to make purple bits."
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[02:07:40] <Gr|ffous> does anyone recogise the library vo_setwindow ? I'm already linking X11, so it's not in there
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[02:09:34] <Gr|ffous> oh, never mind, it decided to find it this time around :)
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[03:00:34] <Gr|ffous> can anyone make sense of this install problem? http://rafb.net/p/BLmJKX75.html
[03:09:16] <dwc-> use /usr/ucb/install instead of /usr/sbin/install?
[03:09:25] <Gr|ffous> yeah, that seems to work
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[03:09:49] <Gr|ffous> so lesson time I guess, what is the story with the native install?
[03:09:51] <dwc-> and people say /usr/ucb is useless ;p
[03:10:07] <Gr|ffous> well I was one of them until now
[03:11:02] <delewis>  /etc/install is even more useless :-)
[03:12:25] <delewis> I guess it's there for legacy purposes
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[03:14:46] <Gr|ffous> I just need to work out how to make the makefile use that install
[03:15:04] <Gr|ffous> I don't think removing /usr/sbin from my path is going to end well
[03:17:16] <Gr|ffous> ah, config.mak!
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[03:18:54] <delewis> just place /usr/ucb before /usr/sbin and /etc
[03:19:07] <delewis> in your PATH, that is.
[03:22:20] <Error_404> that'll completely mangle builds
[03:22:31] <Error_404> /usr/ucb/ld and friends are broken
[03:22:54] <Error_404> i'm not sure why they exist
[03:23:03] <Gr|ffous> historical reasons I guess
[03:23:19] <_syphilis_> so that customers sunos 4.x programs could be migrated to solaris 2.0 ;-)
[03:23:26] <Error_404> but if they're broken, it doesn't help anyone now does it?
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[03:42:36] <dwc-> there's no ld et al in /usr/sbin or /etc
[03:42:41] <dwc-> you could try INSTALL=/usr/ucb/install make ....
[03:43:33] <Gr|ffous> I managed to get it working by changing the install defined in the config.mak
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[03:44:33] <Gr|ffous> what is the easiest way to load a set of variables into your shell with bash for this kind of thing? I know how to use source, but if I make a bash script to source itself it doesn't seem to stick
[03:44:57] <_syphilis_> "source itself"?
[03:45:14] <Gr|ffous> it would be neat to run one command which will define sun sudio, and another to use gcc, perhaps another again for gcc4
[03:45:29] <_syphilis_> create studiovars.sh then do ". studiovars.sh"
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[03:46:06] <Gr|ffous> er, sorry. As it export A=B C=D, but if I make that executable, I guess those variables only stick in the context of that bash invocation, rather then the once I am running it from
[03:46:18] <_syphilis_> that's why you use . (or source)
[03:46:34] <Gr|ffous> ah, the almight dot. Ok, I'll try that, thanks
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[03:46:47] <_syphilis_> . is the same as source but its easier to type
[03:47:28] <Gr|ffous> so I can't wrap that into a script, and add it to my path so that I can run it from anywhere rather then . /export/home/griffous/bin/studiovars.sh
[03:47:51] <_syphilis_> in zsh, . searches the path.. i don't know about bash
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[03:49:09] <_syphilis_> you could also do "studiovars() { . /path/to/studiovars.sh }"
[03:49:12] <Gr|ffous> hmm, so it does
[03:49:13] <_syphilis_> then just type studiovars
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[03:51:23] <Gr|ffous> sweet, much nicer!
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[03:51:26] <Gr|ffous> thanks
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[05:18:49] <Gr|ffous> before I go launching off into this, snv_54 onwards can handle LU with  non-global zones right?
[05:19:24] <jmcp> I think so, as long as they're not on zfs ..... though don't quote me
[05:21:03] <Gr|ffous> hmm, bummer, that was the plan
[05:21:27] <jmcp> I don't know for sure though
[05:21:34] <jmcp> what's your timetable for LU?
[05:21:39] <Gr|ffous> that would be a seperate zfs fs, a zpool would be ok?
[05:21:44] <jmcp> uh .....
[05:21:47] <jmcp> nfi
[05:21:50] <Gr|ffous> :)
[05:22:13] <Gr|ffous> I tend to grab every third or four release
[05:22:16] <boyd> Gr|ffous: I don't think there is a distinction for this purpose
[05:22:23] <boyd> (Hi all) wb jmcp
[05:22:54] <Gr|ffous> hi boyd, how are you doing today?
[05:23:12] <boyd> Not too bad... it's finally not ridiculously hot for a change
[05:23:40] <Gr|ffous> hehe, it's 22 degrees here, according to gnome weather report
[05:23:41] <jmcp> hi boyd
[05:23:50] <jmcp> 27 and rainy in Sydney
[05:24:15] <boyd> ~20 and beautiful here just now
[05:24:24] <boyd> (that's ~, not - :) )
[05:24:35] <asyd> \_o<
[05:24:38] <jmcp> fortunately I'm using a reasonable font, so I figured that bit
[05:24:56] <boyd> :)
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[05:27:10] <Error_404> solaris ships with decent fonts?
[05:27:19] <jmcp> Error_404: yes
[05:27:20] <Error_404> since when?
[05:27:25] <Gr|ffous> right, onto my next annoyance, does anyone know much about the solaris sound system 'sun'. There are mountains of information about alsa for linux... I'm not doing so well with sun. My amarok just stops playing every 3-4 songs, it's getting very annoying!
[05:28:28] <jmcp> Error_404: since like a long time
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[05:29:25] <jteo> morn jmcp
[05:29:30] <jmcp> hi jteo
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[06:06:13] <Zephiris> I keep getting a message about running '/ws/onnv-gate/public/bin/update_nsspkgs' whenever I try to run BFU, and a similar error when trying to build from source. Is there any way to get updated package necessary without needing to download a whole new DVD image? ._.
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[06:17:21] <andyshack> morning :)
[06:17:54] * Stric is heading towards bed (around 6 in the morning)
[06:18:30] <andyshack> im getting rather confused with vpn for solaris (vpn actually is also confusing me :) am i correct to assume that solaris 10 doesnt have a vpn client on it, just the protocols ? so i need to go get some vpn software to set up a vpn between a few machines ?
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[06:49:45] <dwc-> vpn to what?
[06:49:58] <dwc-> there's ipsec
[06:50:16] <dwc-> what sort of vpn?
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[06:54:14] <Error_404> my school's got some cisco k9 vpn nonsense going on for the wireless network
[06:55:03] <Error_404> i can still get on it & ssh tunnel through one of the machines i have a login for on campus, so i don't care to figgure out how it works
[06:55:22] <Error_404> there's probably a reason for it, but i haven't figgured out what they were thinking yet
[06:58:13] <andyshack> yeah ive been reading up about ipsec although i thought its just the protocol.
[06:58:28] <andyshack> im not sure what kind of vpn, i havent got that far yet ;)
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[07:05:40] <dwc-> if it's connecting to a cisco, try grabbing the cisco vpn client
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[07:10:23] <andyshack> yeah i have no cisco on the network atm.
[07:11:40] <andyshack> im planning to go pick up some cisco routers and a rack of suns at auction next weekend although i wanted to try work out some more of the basics before then.
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[07:18:46] <Error_404> dwc-: cute, there *is* no solaris software for cisco
[07:19:03] <dwc-> I didn't say solaris software for cisco
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[07:19:09] <dwc-> I said cisco software for solaris
[07:19:26] <Error_404> there isn't any of that either
[07:19:35] <Error_404> just windows, mac & linux
[07:22:35] <andyshack> dwc- do you use a vpn ?
[07:23:00] <dwc-> uh, if there isn't, then what is it I've got here....
[07:23:58] <dwc-> and what are they talking about here...
[07:23:59] <dwc-> http://www.mcgill.ca/ics/tools/vpn/solaris/
[07:24:10] <dwc-> http://163.1.0.28/network/vpn/oucs-service/linux-solaris/index.xml.ID=obtain
[07:24:27] <andyshack> nice ill read it
[07:24:30] <dwc-> etc
[07:24:35] <dwc-> yes I do use a vpn
[07:24:51] <dwc-> not under solaris though, because my NIC isn't supported
[07:25:04] <andyshack> if i have a computer in office a and a computer in office b and i want them to share files i use a vpn right ?
[07:26:25] <dwc-> at least not the wireless nic I use to connect ot my network
[07:26:30] <dwc-> or you could use ssh or something
[07:27:06] <andyshack> sure, although im wanting to mount remote file systems.
[07:27:19] <andyshack> and it would be nice if the neighbours cant sniff it too easily
[07:27:20] <Error_404> okay, fine... there's no cisco software for x86/solaris
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[07:32:57] <steleman> Error_404: OpenVPN
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[07:33:44] <steleman> http://openvpn.net/
[07:34:44] <Error_404> steleman: thanks!
[07:34:54] <steleman> Error_404: yw
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[08:07:05] <dwc-> sun has one built-in
[08:07:06] <dwc-> http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1616
[08:07:35] <dwc-> excpet you want the solaris 9+ one that has better mechanisms and implementations
[08:14:12] <quasi> dwc-: hasn't the tools changed since that article (which is sol8)
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[08:31:54] <woffer> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/6maoq021l?q=configuring+IPSec&a=view   sol10 howtos :)
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[10:42:48] <Fish> hello
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[11:03:25] <bougie> hello :p
[11:03:53] <Error_404> hey
[11:04:13] <jteo> hey.
[11:05:04] <quasi> hey hey
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[11:17:44] <andyshack> greets. can someone point me in the right direction for file sharing with solaris 10 ? i have 2 computers connected to each other via router and id like to set up some file sharing. what should i be googling for ?
[11:18:21] <Darwin> nfs
[11:18:36] <andyshack> cool
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[11:19:25] <jamesd> andyshack, if you are using  zfs,   you can have file sharing setup with a single command on the server.
[11:19:59] <quasi> andyshack: instead of googling, see http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4555/6maoqui87?a=view
[11:21:06] <andyshack> heya james. i dont have zfs going at the moment (as far as i know) although i do plan to get all my networks using it over the next week or so.
[11:21:18] <andyshack> cheers quasi. ill have a look.
[11:21:31] <DataStream> Its NFS not ZFS
[11:23:09] <jamesd> zfs makes nfs on the fileserver painless.
[11:23:46] <andyshack> nfs is the old one, zfs is the new one right ? i was reading a sun doc, zfs is planned to be good for 30 years. sounds good eh ?
[11:23:57] <jamesd> yes
[11:24:02] <quasi> andyshack: not quite
[11:24:31] <quasi> andyshack: nfs is network file system - zfs is primarily a local filesystem
[11:25:03] <Saltsa> is there btw nfsv4 and encryption support in solaris' nfs?
[11:25:16] <quasi> andyshack: the zfs share that jamesd is talking about is actually just nfs sharing of a zfs backed filesystem
[11:25:31] <quasi> Saltsa: there's nfsv4
[11:26:17] <andyshack> ok i comprehend that. during instalation though i did not see mention to format drives with zfs or am i on the wrong page with that.
[11:26:39] <Darwin> Solaris is the first OS in which NFSv4 is the standard NFS version afaik.
[11:26:39] <quasi> andyshack: no, you wouldn't see that
[11:28:29] <andyshack> ok. zfs should be enabled and drives formatted as such prior to installation ?
[11:30:48] <quasi> no
[11:31:13] <andyshack> ok. ill go read up on it.
[11:31:42] <Gr|ffous> Darwin, suse uses it by default
[11:32:20] <Gr|ffous> andyshack, you can't setup zfs during installion, yet. however it's very easy to do post installation
[11:33:05] <andyshack> ok great. thanks.
[11:34:09] <Gr|ffous> about the only thing zfs doesn't do well (yet..) is migrate between raid levels, so have a good play and make sure you are happy with your disk/zpool layout before putting production data on it. Otherwise, it's fantastic :)
[11:35:09] <andyshack> Gr|ffous : migrat between raid levels. as in restructuring an active raid setup ? ie adding drives resizing etc ?
[11:35:19] <Gr|ffous> yeah, exactly
[11:35:32] <andyshack> ok thanks.
[11:35:33] <Gr|ffous> or changing from raid1 to raid5 (called raidz)
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[11:36:06] <Gr|ffous> it's VERY quick to recreate a zpool with a different setup, but of course you'll loose any data on the zpool.
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[11:49:21] <DataStream> Hey anyone here useing SGD with 11/06 by chance/
[11:49:22] <DataStream> ?
[11:54:08] <Gr|ffous> what is SGD?
[11:54:22] <jamesd> secure global desktop
[11:54:29] <jamesd> tarantella
[11:54:32] <Gr|ffous> ah, no sorry
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[12:21:21] <andyshack> ah, im using the smc to look at my disks (i have plugged in 4 physical drives) after clicking on disks it shows 4 devices, c0t0d0, c0t1d0, c0t2d0, c0t3d0. the last 3 show 18 gig capacity and 0 free although the first one, c0t0d0 shows 0 and 0. is c0t0d0 a cd drive ? or is it a failed drive ?
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[12:22:38] <quasi> andyshack: try the command: iostat -E
[12:23:45] <delewis> DataStream: I've been using it for quite sometime.
[12:24:02] <delewis> 4.30.915?
[12:24:05] <DataStream> Hey delewis i was hopeing you would make an apperance :)
[12:24:09] <DataStream> ok i have a problem
[12:24:18] <DataStream> its all installed
[12:24:19] <DataStream> but
[12:24:34] <DataStream> when i goto open an app i get a box come up which says to auth again
[12:24:53] <DataStream> im logged in as admin, but when i goto give thos details again, it will not accept them
[12:25:05] <delewis> hmm, no clue what's going on there.
[12:25:12] <delewis> it just kind of 'worked out of the box' for me.
[12:25:25] <DataStream> i can give a normal user details and it accepts them, but it still wont open up any apps even though it says it runnign
[12:25:28] <delewis> I even did an upgrade from 4.20.983 to 4.30.915 without any problems.
[12:25:39] <delewis> are you sure all the services are started?
[12:25:46] <DataStream> and your useing it on 11/06 with the locked down feachers enabled?
[12:25:57] <delewis> whatever 4.30.915 is
[12:26:05] <DataStream> no 11/06 solaris
[12:26:19] <delewis> oh, I see
[12:26:28] <delewis> yeah, I'm using Solaris 10 11/06.
[12:26:33] <DataStream> Hmm
[12:26:37] <delewis> I don't have TX enabled, though.
[12:27:02] <DataStream> yeah all i have done is installed 11/06 and SGD is the first thing i ahve installed
[12:27:07] <DataStream> i havent done anything to the system
[12:28:06] <DataStream> ok im gonna try and upgrade 4.2 on sol 10 06/06 and see what happens
[12:28:41] <delewis> I've done a fresh install, too
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[12:30:59] <DataStream> Bah install take forver on a U2 :/
[12:31:31] <DataStream> Hell, just gunzipping it takes forever, lol
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[12:36:00] <DataStream> delewis: when you installed 11/06 did you opt for the secure version?
[12:36:45] <delewis> I know of no such option
[12:39:18] <DataStream> When i installed it, it asked me if i wanted the new secure feachers of 11/06 or if i wanted to leave all the services and stuff that were turned on in the privious version of sol
[12:40:07] <DataStream> Basically if i wanted it locked down, or leave it as it was before
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[12:41:08] <delewis> never saw anything like that.
[12:41:09] <DataStream> Im installing it again, when i get to that point ill let you konw exactly what it sayd
[12:41:26] <DataStream> Although its after all the packages are installed so it wont be for about another 50-60 mins
[12:42:17] <Tpenta> the questions is about the "secure by default" option. What it does is taht if you say yes, then it installs the machine with non-essential network services disabled
[12:42:30] <DataStream> Right
[12:42:57] <delewis> I still don't remember seeing anything like that, but I do Jumpstarts.
[12:43:28] <DataStream> Tpenta: do you know what the default anser for it is?
[12:43:37] <delewis> limited, IIRC.
[12:43:40] <DataStream> delewis: check and see if ftp is enabled
[12:43:50] <Tpenta> in s10, the default answer is no
[12:43:59] <delewis> ah, indeed.
[12:44:00] <DataStream> ok thanks
[12:44:05] <DataStream> delewis: its enabled?
[12:44:08] <LeftWing> There's some new JS profile keyword thingy.
[12:44:10] <delewis> DataStream: yes.
[12:44:11] <Tpenta> it's the principle of least surprise. The default will install how you would have expected it to previously
[12:44:18] <LeftWing> Least Astonishment. =)
[12:44:20] <Tpenta> in nevada, the question is not asked and teh default is yes
[12:44:25] <DataStream> delewis: ok then you didnt chose the secure version
[12:44:42] <DataStream> ok this could be why im having so many problems with SGD
[12:45:50] <LeftWing> I don't think SGD has a huge dependency on other system services...
[12:45:59] <delewis> neither do I.
[12:46:07] <delewis> and I've JASS'd an SSGD server before.
[12:46:18] <delewis> and JASS essentially does what netservices limited does, plus a bit more.
[12:46:23] <LeftWing> Mmm.
[12:46:39] <DataStream> What im wondering is, if its stopping root/admin credentials being bradcast over then network
[12:47:06] <LeftWing> It shouldn't do -- Administrator / <root's passwd> should work.
[12:47:09] <delewis> DataStream: SSGD by default is configured to be secure. That's why you now have to accept an SSL certificate when you login.
[12:47:19] <DataStream> I didnt
[12:47:31] <scode> Any good way to monitor the current number of open file descriptors of a process?
[12:47:42] <delewis> scode: pfiles
[12:47:51] <scode> Ah,thanks.
[12:48:24] <DataStream> delewis: ill chose no this time and see what happens
[12:49:02] <DataStream> your right it shouldnt mess anything up, but hey, stranger things have happend :)
[12:49:05] <Tpenta> OK folks, if anyone is interested, I just uploaded the b55 non-debug encumbered binaries t odlc
[12:50:33] <Error_404> working on a sunday
[12:50:38] <Error_404> ?
[12:51:17] <Tpenta> I saw that 55 was available last night, so I kicked offf the bringover last night and then the sparc/x86 builds before I went to watcch the cricket today with my dad and my boy
[12:53:28] <DataStream> I managed to find some 2.5" SAS drive caddies for sale, but for some reson no one is displaying prices
[12:53:33] <DataStream> very anoying
[12:53:51] <DataStream> But seeing as yesterday i didnt think you could even buy them seperate, its a start
[12:54:03] <DataStream> problerly like 100 pounds knowing my luck
[12:54:04] <DataStream> lol
[12:56:27] <Tpenta> and now blogged
[12:56:30] <Tpenta> :-D
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[12:57:17] <Gr|ffous> novice question, encumbered means binaries of still closed bits?
[12:57:38] <Error_404> yes
[12:57:41] <Error_404> like sed
[12:57:57] <lloy0076> I worked out why X11 remote wasn't working from my non-global Zone to the Global zone. It seems that the X Server is set to NOT listen to TCP connections at all by default, as per: http://blogs.sun.com/rab/entry/enabling_remote_connections_in_the
[12:58:06] <Gr|ffous> is there a progress counter for these... I guess we can't really call it opensolaris until they're all gone eh?
[12:58:27] <Tpenta> it's getting smaller, a 6.7mb tar.bz2 is not bad
[12:58:28] <dlg> Gr|ffous: you going to get replacements for all the drivers too?
[12:58:50] <lloy0076> Unfortunately, the non-Global applications don't sensibly report that it's been blocked or that the remote server isn't actually responding. They just imply that DISPLAY is not set and/or timeout.
[12:58:57] <Gr|ffous> dlg, pass. I sure can't help :/
[12:59:13] <lloy0076> (which is fair enough I suppose :))
[12:59:26] <Tpenta> there are a number of tough things in there to replace. The one that I really want to see is libc_i18n.a
[12:59:33] <Tpenta> that would make building these a *lot* simpler
[12:59:36] <Doc> yes. this would be Secure By Default
[12:59:53] <quasi> lloy0076: you'll only be affected by that if you've set netservices limited
[13:00:49] <lloy0076> quasi: It happened to me when I installed ON53 and 54 from the DVD ISOs from the SDLC; and from clients from a Solaris Zone and Brand LX (Centos) zone.
[13:01:00] <Error_404> seems most of the closed bins are less than trivial to replace
[13:01:10] <lloy0076> quasi: Or another way, *I* didn't set the netservices to limited to my knowledge.
[13:02:07] <Error_404> except sed, that'd be easy... just take it from BSD
[13:04:09] <delewis> most of the free BSD variants use GNU sed.
[13:04:18] <delewis> and you don't want to integrate that as the sed in Solaris.
[13:04:23] <Error_404> hey, btw... if i build O/N on an amd64 machine, and copy it over to an x86 machine... can i BFU from that?
[13:04:23] <quasi> Error_404: there's already SFWsed
[13:04:36] <delewis> at least, not the documentation, anyway, which blatantly encourages users to violate POSIX.
[13:05:08] <delewis> you should *not* be able to do alternation in BRE mode, or at the very least inform the users that it's an extension.
[13:05:25] <delewis> the same goes for grep.
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[13:06:06] <Error_404> but the amd64 build, x86-32 install question... anyone know?
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[13:13:48] <Tpenta> Error_404: let me put it this way, the bfu binaries created for the d/l site for x86/amd64 are build on an amd64 box
[13:14:27] <Error_404> so... if i copy over the entire workspace to my laptop & just run bfu on it, i won't break things?
[13:15:39] <Tpenta> why not create teh bfu images and only transfer them, much smaller than relocating the whole workspace
[13:16:24] <Error_404> dunno
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[13:39:39] <DataStream> Anyone know the login for E's dr17 cvs?
[13:39:50] <DataStream> i have tried anonymous, but its not having it
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[13:41:43] <Ivanov25> Hi!  Could somebody tell me how I could apply a bfu archive to the Opensolaris kernel sources?
[13:42:05] <andyshack> iostat -E gives me --> http://pastebin.ca/309213 all that errors : 0 means no errors ?
[13:42:21] <andyshack> i cant work out what my 3 illegal errors are ;/
[13:43:21] <andyshack> although on the plus side, that says its talking to 4 physical 18 gig drives right ?
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[13:53:46] <sickness> i'm back
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[14:14:41] <Stric> andyshack: the 3 illegal requests belong to the cd.. could be something trying to write to it or so
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[14:15:28] <andyshack> cool, thanks for that.
[14:15:37] <andyshack> everything else is looking happy though right ?
[14:16:49] <Stric> yeah
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[14:37:46] <andyshack> great party. thanks stric
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[15:07:25] <Fish> ++
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[15:24:10] <trygvis> anyone know where /lib/svc/share/smf_include.sh is documentetd?
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[15:57:03] <delewis> ls
[15:57:15] <delewis> er, woops.
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[15:58:50] <jteo> delewis: :)
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[15:59:01] <cmihai> Password:
[16:01:27] <BadKarma> sh0wm3th3m0n3y
[16:01:30] <BadKarma> :)
[16:01:42] <BadKarma> nah... I am not that lame...yet
[16:02:32] <hspaan1> "god", "sex" and "power" are more your style?
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[16:03:07] <BadKarma> well I prefer 'sunray170' cuz its on my screen so I wont forget
[16:03:21] <hspaans> *g*
[16:06:15] <BadKarma> what about yours?
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[16:27:23] <loumz> is it possible to interface the global zone to a regular zone through tcp/ip without dedicating a separate physical network interface for the regular zone?
[16:27:54] <trygvis> yes, just give them private ips
[16:29:45] <loumz> trygvis: let's say i have a zone zone1 with lo0:3 addr 192.168.49.1/24, and in the global zone have lo0:1 with 192.168.49.2/24
[16:29:58] <loumz> how do I set up the routing for this?
[16:30:21] <trygvis> no need, they can reach each other directly
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[16:35:18] <loumz> ping is failing with ICMP dest. unreachable: http://rafb.net/p/UNBz5e99.html
[16:37:36] <trygvis> wrong interfaces
[16:38:04] <trygvis> you better make a virtual interface on e1000g0 and use that for inter-zone ips
[16:39:05] <loumz> ah, but the virtual interface on the physical ethernet interface, will it be accessible from the outside?
[16:40:02] <loumz> hmm, I guess I can check that myself...
[16:40:06] <trygvis> yes, but no-one will be able to reach it as you're using private IPs
[16:40:12] <trygvis> they won't be routed across the itnernet
[16:40:14] <trygvis> internet
[16:40:46] <loumz> yes, I see. I guess if I'm paranoid I can configure ipfilter for this?
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[16:46:08] <cneira> wine is working in build54 ?
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[17:12:52] <onbot> commit by yx160601:  6493109 pfil SMF service isn't removed on an upgrade; 6498408 fr_slowtimer is inactive; 6498986 ipfilter complains bad l4 checksum for loopback packets which hit ftp proxy rules
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[17:43:52] <pjd_> Is there anyone who can answer RAIDZ question?
[17:44:34] <pjd_> The question is: Every block write is splitted into smaller blocks and written to all raidz components.
[17:45:05] <pjd_> Is parity component always the same? Or is RAIDZ rotate it for every write?
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[17:47:15] <jteo> pjd_: zfs-discuss. :)
[17:50:33] * pjd_ hoped for a faster answer.
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[18:22:21] <pikapika> hello
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[20:45:49] <sickness> ah ha, goddam right, its a beautiful day
[20:46:04] <Error_404> ?
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[20:49:26] <aliquis> Do I dare use pauls ext2 driver for solaris 10 on amd64 to write a backup of my filesystem on a sata drive and then reinstall other stuff on the ata disk currently running Solaris or should I choose another filesystem and in that case what? Put it all on UFS and wonder about how to read it later on?
[20:50:32] <sickness> Error_404: was singing a song by eels ;)
[20:50:41] <quasi> aliquis: linux can read ufs if all else fails
[20:51:43] <aliquis> quasi: K, so make ufs on sata disk, copy all files over and later on use files from solaris, or in case of linux just mount it? I'll go or that one then. You don't know if freebsd can read solaris ufs?
[20:52:16] <aliquis> I don't know if solaris supports my sata controller either but hopefully it does =P
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[20:56:08] <quasi> yeah, something like that
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[21:04:47] <dvorak> just write tar to the drive
[21:04:52] <dvorak> forget using a filesystem
[21:05:55] <cmihai> Used to do that with cd's ;]. It's fun when people can't read them :D
[21:07:33] <cmihai> Though I'd rather use ufsdump(1M) than plain old tar..
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[21:16:02] <dvorak> why?
[21:16:28] <dvorak> ufsdump isn't any more portable than putting ufs on it
[21:16:33] <sickness> dvorak: lol :)
[21:17:57] <mihaic> Heh, computer frozen.
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[21:33:01] <zdzichuBG> raidtab? wow, I haven't seen any for years
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[21:44:41] <wizard123> hi.. i have some questions about opensolaris, about hardware support
[21:44:46] <mihaic> HCL
[21:44:55] <mihaic> Read the HCL, run the Java app.
[21:45:03] <wizard123> java app?
[21:45:26] <mihaic> www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/
[21:45:28] <wizard123> i want to ask about cpu frequency throttling
[21:45:39] <mihaic> Poke around, there was a Java app that said if your hardware was compatible
[21:45:44] <wizard123> :D
[21:45:47] <wizard123> ah, cool
[21:45:50] <wizard123> thanks ^^
[21:45:51] <mihaic> wizard123: there was a Java app in Solaris that did power saving thing
[21:46:35] <wizard123> because i have only one laptop.. and i wanted to try and learn solaris before installing it on testing server :)
[21:46:47] <mihaic> powersomething, it was in the menu. NO idea if it's supported, but give that a try.
[21:47:06] <mihaic> CPU freq throttling is a minor issue anyway.
[21:47:30] <zdzichuBG> wizard123: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/power
[21:47:43] <wizard123> oh, thanks :)
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[21:56:22] <jamesd> mihaic, i think that was limited to sparc boxes.
[21:56:33] <mihaic> Oh.
[21:56:55] <_syphilis_> wizard123: suspend-to-{ram,disk} is also lacking
[21:57:02] <_syphilis_> although that's being worked on, so it should appear soon
[21:59:14] <mihaic> jamesd: he could, by all means, run it on a Sparc laptop :P
[22:00:27] <jamesd> mihaic, i'm not even sure it works on laptops i think it was meant for workstations that had a powerbutton on the keyboard that put the machine to sleep.. i never had an extra 10+ grand to try on a  sparc based laptop
[22:01:00] <mihaic> Hehe... yeah, they were pretty damn expensive. Got discontinued now though.
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[22:01:52] <jamesd> i think tadpole is still making them, the military likes them alot.
[22:03:58] <mihaic> Wpw///
[22:04:02] <mihaic> I mean, WOW
[22:04:05] <mihaic> 16GB on a laptop
[22:04:13] <mihaic> RAM 0_o
[22:04:30] <mihaic> They like them for good reason :0
[22:05:29] <jamesd> they aren't the fastest, but they run  sparc based code and  never quit they are basicly a sun workstation in a laptop, so they love being hammered with lots of load.
[22:05:40] <dvorak> because they have legacy software they can't get for anything but sparc/solaris? ;p
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[22:06:45] <jamesd> dvorak, not sure...  but  if you make a typical  laptop run with a loadavg of 50 they don't like it, where as a sparc based laptop doesn't give a damm because they use normal workstation type hardware
[22:08:09] <dwc-> so get a workstation class desktop-replacement sort of laptop
[22:08:46] <dvorak> biggest difference between desktop and laptop hardware these days is i/o
[22:08:49] <wizard123> hmm
[22:08:56] <wizard123> i have athlon64 notebook
[22:09:01] <wizard123> with everything via :)
[22:09:24] <wizard123> i just want to make it usable for 3-4 weeks
[22:09:33] <wizard123> so i can test what solaris can do for me
[22:09:35] <jamesd> http://tadpole.com/products/notebooks/bullfrog.asp  nice  20lbs  laptop, sounds like the drives are sas based but i haven't finished researching yet.
[22:09:52] <dwc-> I'd stop calling 20 pounds "laptop"
[22:10:20] <mihaic> They even call it "lightweight"
[22:10:28] <mihaic> * Low profile & light weight
[22:10:29] <dvorak> "compared to hauling around a crt"
[22:10:45] <mihaic> It's nothing short of a U1 + LCD
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[22:10:54] <wizard123> how much is 20 ppunds in kilograms?
[22:10:58] <jamesd> ouch...  ide harddrives
[22:11:01] <mihaic> wizard123: ask google
[22:11:05] <jamesd> wizard123, 8-9 kg
[22:11:05] <dwc-> 454g in a pound
[22:11:12] <mihaic> 20 pounds = 9.0718474 kilograms
[22:11:15] <wizard123> :o
[22:11:31] <mihaic> Typed "20lbs in kg" on gogole.com
[22:11:39] <dvorak> I'd be surprised if most anyone is buying those now days if they have the option of running on x86
[22:12:02] <mihaic> Personally I'd love one of those.
[22:12:07] <mihaic> I like big stuff.
[22:12:21] <mihaic> Can't be seen around carying a 1.2KG laptop.. it's just not my style ;)
[22:13:03] <jamesd> well it is a dual cpu laptop    it can replace a 450lbs server.
[22:13:08] <jamesd> or so they say.
[22:13:40] <dvorak> sure, and if you're an isv that's demoing your software to customers, and your software only runs on sparc, then it makes a lot of sense
[22:13:50] <dvorak> but that falls into the "you can't run on x86"
[22:14:34] <mihaic> I wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to just carry around a T1000 and a 200gram Sharp Zaurus
[22:14:50] <dvorak> well, you need a display
[22:14:55] <dvorak> and a t1000 is crazy loud
[22:14:56] <mihaic> Hence the Zaurus
[22:15:10] <dvorak> we've had vendors wheel in quarter rack's for demos though
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[22:15:27] <dwc-> well it depends on how old the machine is
[22:15:30] <Error_404> use musical equipment...
[22:15:43] <Error_404> the common guitar amp "head" is what, 3, 4 units tall?
[22:15:48] <jamesd> dvorak, its also a big seller to a  marine unit that  is setting up camp 5 miles outside of bagdad, and needs to setup  email, and webservices for the troops in the platoon, either pull out the  20 lbs laptop out of the back of the hummer, or  wait for the supply train that will be there next week with a  e220r that may show up.
[22:15:51] <dwc-> there's a quad 200mhz pentium around here ....
[22:15:52] <Error_404> you can get them with regular rails in them too
[22:16:21] <dwc-> why would you bring your mail and web services out in the field
[22:16:27] <dwc-> vpn
[22:17:18] <dwc-> less gear to get lost
[22:17:26] <dwc-> and it's not like each platoon runs its own mail server
[22:17:27] <dvorak> and well, you could do that with any other laptop also.  I'm guessing from an support standpoint the marine IT group picked sparc at some point, and hasn't decided to switch yet
[22:17:32] <jamesd> dwc-, because its easier to  access mail that is sitting on a local server than have 100 guys viewing 4MB images that  the family sent to you over night via  a satelite link.
[22:18:24] <dwc-> that's a security risk though
[22:18:39] <dwc-> and satellite links aren't all that slow
[22:18:43] <mihaic> God, SGDS is takeing forever to setup...
[22:18:43] <dwc-> the latency is just high
[22:19:00] <dwc-> which sucks for say... trying to play mmos
[22:19:09] <mihaic> I'd say shooters :P
[22:19:10] <dvorak> the vendors that have brought in racks before, do it because they have a particular network environment they need for a demo
[22:19:28] <dwc-> mihaic: those too... but don't try to be the healer for a group in an mmo either ;)
[22:19:31] <mihaic> Virtualization and emulation have come a long way :)
[22:19:40] <jamesd> dwc-, its still just easier to keep the platoons messages local, this isn't command orders, just email for the troops from there family.
[22:19:43] <mihaic> dwc-: hahah, yeah. "oops, too late" :))
[22:20:25] <mihaic> So, what's your poison dwc-? WoW? :]
[22:20:46] <dwc-> nah, I don't game much anymore
[22:20:54] <dwc-> just past experience with people on sat links
[22:21:31] <mihaic> Heh
[22:21:44] <mihaic> My only experience with WoW was the South Park episode ;)
[22:22:22] <dwc-> james, all military mail has to be secure... there's no separate family vs. internal email accounts
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[22:25:07] <Error_404> dwc-: that seems rather silly to me
[22:26:03] <Error_404> the middle of nowhere in an oil rich country -> encrypted -> encrypted -> ISP -> an insecure untrusted computer in the states/somewhere else
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[22:27:23] <Error_404> & when it's the same email address, just seems like it'd be too easy to accidently send something important to the virus-laden family computer back home
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[22:50:07] <_syphilis_> how can i convert c3t0d0s0 to a device name, like sd7?
[22:50:10] <_syphilis_> (for iostat)
[22:50:33] <Tpenta> you don't. that's in internal kstat name
[22:50:38] <quasi> just use iostat -xcn
[22:50:59] <jmcp> _syphilis_: or grep for its path in /etc/path_to_inst
[22:51:16] <Tpenta> good morning james
[22:51:22] <_syphilis_> iostat|grep is the only way to get a single disk's output?
[22:51:23] <jmcp> hi Tpenta
[22:51:50] <Tpenta> no, you have the raw kstats and DTrace too
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[22:52:16] <_syphilis_> don't they require the internal disk name as well?
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[22:53:03] <_syphilis_> ah, path_to_inst + ls seems to work :)
[22:53:06] <Tpenta> kstats are what iostat uses, so you can use your iostat names, DTrcae, ... you'll probably need the device id
[22:53:32] <jmcp> ah, devids .... what a wonderful invention they are
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[23:04:03] <dwc-> you can compare iostat -E and iostat -En and see if they help
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[23:11:46] <_syphilis_> hmm, i really dislike rrdtool create interface.  its very confusing
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