[00:00:11] <_syphilis_> 3/05 with the current manpage update patch (not sure what # that is offhand)
[00:00:34] <stevel> _syphilis_: i see the same thing
[00:01:25] <sommerfeld> i'm not seeing it on snv_55
[00:01:35] <sommerfeld> (fresh install done today)
[00:01:38] <stevel> sommerfeld: i see it on my S10 3/05 system w/ patches
[00:01:54] <stevel> it was patched up to date until the annoying zones bug from a month ago
[00:02:20] <_syphilis_> is there a way to see which patch installed that file last?
[00:03:08] <PerterB> figure out what package it's in (grep /var/sadm/install/contents) then grep for that package in the output of showrev -p
[00:03:38] <PerterB> it'll be SUNWman though
[00:03:45] <_syphilis_> but can't patches touch a package without touching all files in it?
[00:04:45] <_syphilis_> ah, need step 3: look at file list in patch readme :)
[00:04:51] <_syphilis_> 119247-21
[00:04:59] <PerterB> yes, but generally there is only one patch per package... you can double check in the patch readme
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[00:07:38] <nrubsig> Can anyone go to stevel's office and check whether he is still alive or wheher we need to dispose another dead admin corpse (died through exhaution while servicing opensolaris.org and alcohol-addicted beagels)
[00:09:00] <hile_> What are you whinging on about,  nrubsig?
[00:09:22] <_syphilis_> i guess he's annoyed at not getting an instant reply on irc ;-)
[00:10:01] * _syphilis_ removes 200GB of /home backups.. really need to teach someone here about zfs compress=on
[00:10:30] <nrubsig> hile_: http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/opensolaris-discuss/ still does not show the messages posted in the last hour - I just want to check whether this is intentionally not updated or a bug.
[00:11:01] <stevel> it's both
[00:11:15] <stevel> it's intentionally not updated - since that is just a static restore of the mailman backups
[00:11:24] <stevel> but it's a bug that mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail isn't updating
[00:11:27] <stevel> i'm looking into it now
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[00:11:32] * stevel hates mailman
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[00:11:41] <elektronkind> mailman does suck
[00:12:03] <nrubsig> stevel: give me admin permissions and I can do the admin work for you... :-)
[00:12:19] <elektronkind> I'd highly recommend sympa if lists were just being brought up for the first time ever.
[00:12:34] <nrubsig> umpf
[00:12:36] <elektronkind> but migrating to sympa from mailman... not terribly easy
[00:13:05] * elektronkind just did a listproc->sympa migration for 2100 lists and ~220k users
[00:13:12] <nrubsig> elektronkind: I'd like to avoid another myhem. I still suffer from the "Jive" thing.
[00:14:12] <alanc> they shouldn't be allowed to call it jive without an option to pipe it through the old jive filter (and maybe valspeak)
[00:14:40] <elektronkind> leg'em down and smack 'em yak 'em
[00:14:46] <elektronkind> ho got the beat
[00:15:12] <alanc> http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/gnu.jive.html
[00:15:25] <elektronkind> I think I'll go home and watch Airplane tonight now
[00:16:30] <nrubsig> alanc: My primary complaint about jive is that it's messages break the In-Reply-To:/References: chain BADLY and threading is broken thanks to that. My InBox looks like a mad cow has disturbed the sort order
[00:17:00] <nrubsig> alanc: and then come around 20 other nasty items, all which annoy me a lot because it causes more work.
[00:18:35] <nrubsig> stevel: BTW: The admin thing wasn't a joke.
[00:18:53] <stevel> nrubsig: we're not setup yet to have non-sun admins unfortunately
[00:19:13] <nrubsig> ;-(
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[00:24:15] <nrubsig> stevel: I bet we won't see that without orders signed in triplicate, sent in, sent back, queried, lost, found, subjected to public enquiry by management, fed to komodo dragons, recovered from their poo, lost again, and buried in soft peat for 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 months (this must be the exact amount of time, otherwise the request gets handled as full...
[00:24:16] <nrubsig> ...ARC case) and recycled as firelighters and then declared obsolete by new software introduced which is even worse than the previous one.
[00:25:03] <Gman> stevel, make sure you upgrade to avoid those security vulnerabilities too! :)
[00:25:15] <nrubsig> umpf
[00:25:28] <stevel> gman: yeah yeah ;)
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[00:25:56] <Gman> though, really it being down is a good excuse for me not to do the weekly summaries
[00:26:06] <Gman> (they'll kill me later)
[00:26:10] <_syphilis_> hum
[00:26:15] <_syphilis_> # /sbin/mount -m -F ufs -o remount,rq  /
[00:26:15] <_syphilis_> mount: /dev/md/dsk/d20 is not this fstype
[00:28:23] <_syphilis_> oddly i can mount it fine on /mnt..
[00:29:12] <nrubsig> oh my god
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[00:29:35] <nrubsig> someone posted a way to calculate Pi, this time incrementatlly for each digit.
[00:29:53] <nrubsig> including error correction
[00:30:14] <nrubsig> s/error/base2-vs.-base10 error/
[00:34:41] <elektronkind> out to how many places?
[00:35:33] <elektronkind> huh
[00:35:47] <elektronkind> I just got a referrer to my blog from an internal sun site
[00:35:50] <elektronkind> http://sundoc.central:9093/wdk/temp/331238_Good%20News%20You%20Can%20Use%20-%20December%20%28customer%20version%2C%20HTML%29.html
[00:35:57] <hspaans> nrubsig: he liked the new glue I asume?
[00:36:15] <elektronkind> someone from .sun.com clue me in on what's at that URL? I'm curious.
[00:37:27] <sommerfeld> you were linked from an internal newsletter.
[00:37:41] <elektronkind> cool... I guess :)
[00:37:58] <sommerfeld> the context around the link: # "There?s so much good stuff in this update that?s it really should be called ?Solaris 10.5," says Elektronkind's Dale Ghent. The most exciting and useful features include: Storage Networking Industry Association multi-path management API support, Logical Domains (LDoms) 1.0 Software and recursive ZFS snapshots. >>Read more"
[00:38:19] <elektronkind> yeah, that's it
[00:38:31] <elektronkind> I'm tickled
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[00:39:16] <hspaans> recursive zfs snapshots? wicked
[00:39:26] <elektronkind> yah
[00:40:02] <elektronkind> it has allowed me to fold ~30 snapshot commands into just one.
[00:40:33] <nrubsig> hspaans: ?!
[00:41:27] <elektronkind> ok. time to stop playing with my new stk 6140 and go home
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[00:42:22] <hspaans> nrubsig: to think of a way to calculate Pi is a real indicator that someone is sniffing the jar full of nice sticky glue
[00:48:08] <nrubsig> hspaans: nah, just someone with an *.edu address who seems to have too much time.
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[00:51:08] <_syphilis_> hm, is /etc/system in the boot archive?  seems that it wasn't updated after metaroot
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[01:02:54] <_syphilis_> ah, yes, that was it.
[01:03:00] <_syphilis_> did i mention how much i hate grub? :)
[01:04:15] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: make sure your disease infects grub, that way it can't posix_spawn() and children...
[01:04:29] <nrubsig> s/and/any/
[01:04:53] <nrubsig> Another joke ruined by.... by... BY... xx@@@!!!!-typos!!
[01:04:59] <nrubsig> grrrr
[01:08:46] <hspaans> /leave kill -STOP $$
[01:08:53] <hspaans> !lart gaim
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[01:27:02] <_syphilis_> is slow performance for reads of small files on raid-z a known issue?
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[01:34:40] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: it is a known zfs issue for nfs/nfs...
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[01:35:24] <boyd> syndrome71: Hai!
[01:35:35] <syndrome71> Hey, Boyd! :)
[01:35:36] <Stric> _syphilis_: http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/when_to_and_not_to
[01:35:49] <boyd> How goes the new year?
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[01:43:27] <_syphilis_> stric: hmm, that makes sense
[01:43:41] <_syphilis_> i see ~100MB/s read for large files but <200K/s on small files
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[01:44:53] <Stric> and about 200 iops per disk according to zpool iostat -v 5  ?
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[01:45:18] * _syphilis_ waits for it return to some small files
[01:45:20] <jlc> finally....
[01:45:25] * Stric sees about 230 or so
[01:45:46] <jlc> !seen laca
[01:45:47] <Drone> laca is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Fri 22 Dec 2006 18:37 GMT, saying 'the description says it's only relevant if the object is a drawer or a menu'.
[01:46:00] <jlc> ping laca
[01:47:42] <_syphilis_> hmm, looking at previous values i see:
[01:48:00] <_syphilis_> ift          295G   809G      0      0      0      0
[01:48:01] <_syphilis_> int          145G   611G    206      0   317K      0
[01:48:20] <_syphilis_> (without -v so not sure what the per-disk values where there)
[01:48:46] <Stric> ah, the ift.. single vdev in the pool?
[01:49:03] <_syphilis_> int is the problem
[01:49:09] <_syphilis_> it's a 6-disk pool
[01:49:12] <_syphilis_> hm well
[01:49:22] <_syphilis_> i _think_ it is the problem.. i'm copy from int to ift
[01:49:24] <Stric> the ift can do more than 200 iops
[01:49:44] <_syphilis_> during the slow parts ift shows no/low write access so i don't think that's it
[01:50:01] <_syphilis_> int does ~800 iops when it's fast (large files)
[01:50:05] <Stric> do -v so you can see individual disks
[01:50:14] <Stric> what kind of disks btw?
[01:50:15] <_syphilis_> yeah, that's running now, just waiting for it to slow down
[01:50:22] <_syphilis_> 10krpm SCSI
[01:50:38] <Stric> ok, those give around 230 iops here in a raidz2
[01:50:48] <_syphilis_> yeah
[01:50:49] <_syphilis_>     c0t1d0s7      -      -    260     19  14.1M  21.0K
[01:51:13] <Stric> if you're doing U320, it might be higher due to packetized scsi instead of slow-ass-command-bus-and-fast-data-bus
[01:51:16] <_syphilis_> here we go
[01:51:51] <_syphilis_> http://rafb.net/p/EciHnA62.html
[01:51:54] <_syphilis_> slowness starts on line 50
[01:52:28] <Stric> ah, you're seeing the wonders of vdev prefetch too :)
[01:52:34] <_syphilis_> 250 iops over the whole pool seems to suggest that's the problem
[01:52:38] <onbot> commit by Gerald Jelinek:  6508068 tmp pool info should not be saved after a dedicated-cpu configuration removed zone rebooting
[01:52:53] <Stric> for each small random read, you're doing like 6*128k reads
[01:53:29] <Stric> it's fine if you want the additional blocks.. but if it's small random reads, then it's just pure waste
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[01:53:54] <Stric> sorry, 6*64k
[01:54:18] <_syphilis_> hmm, why is it doing so many writes ops on int?  atime is disabled there
[01:55:09] <Stric> does it stop if you stop the copying?
[01:55:21] <Stric> no writes over here when just doing reads..
[01:55:29] <_syphilis_> yep
[01:55:42] <_syphilis_> all 0's for both FSs when the copy stops
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[02:02:40] <_syphilis_> so roch's post seems to indicate that this is a raidz-specific problem, that raid5 doesn't have
[02:02:46] <_syphilis_> seems like a rather nasty restriction
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[02:09:43] <Doc> hehe.. experience requirements for a job ad :
[02:09:47] <Doc> * 3-5 years experience with Fault Management Architecture to isolate FRU faults.
[02:10:45] <Doc> how long has FMA been about?
[02:12:05] <_syphilis_> 3/05?
[02:12:18] <sommerfeld> well, it was under development in 2002.
[02:12:44] <Doc> aint going to be too many ppl with 5 years of experience of it, are there :)
[02:13:09] <sommerfeld> Nope :-)
[02:14:17] * Odin-LAP also heard of a similar ad for Java, at some point.
[02:14:48] <Odin-LAP> I suppose it's HR putting standard "experience times" into job ads, without even considering how old something is...
[02:17:37] <Doc> to save me the trouble of compiling it, does anyone have a copy of telnet that supports SSL handly?
[02:17:48] <Doc> (ie, something so that I can connect to an SSL IMAP server for testing)
[02:22:11] <_syphilis_> doc: openssl s_client?
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[02:24:46] <Stric> openssl s_client -connect machine:993
[02:25:14] <laca> hey jlc
[02:27:43] <jlc> hey laca
[02:27:47] <jlc> your closing them fast ;)
[02:31:30] <laca> jlc: yeah, those were the easy ones
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[02:32:39] <jlc> true
[02:33:54] <jlc> tvtime, later
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[04:18:08] <Error_404> someone said there were  memory issues with b53, yes?
[04:18:37] <jamesd__> i forgot.
[04:18:49] <boyd> Hehe
[04:19:05] <Error_404> :P
[04:26:14] <comay> what sort of memory issues?
[04:27:07] <Error_404> *shrug* bit-flipping or things eating more memory than they're supposed to or  something
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[04:29:17] <boyd> "Maybe after the final pieces have been released in some form, we'll get a project on opensolaris.org." Hmm... I'm pretty sure that's backwards
[04:29:38] <Error_404> ?
[04:29:47] <boyd> re LDOMs
[04:30:07] <boyd> I'm just musing on the "Open" part of the OS, as I do occasionally
[04:30:50] <comay> Error_404: not aware of any such issues
[04:32:29] <dlg> boyd: some people like having something to share first
[04:32:42] <dlg> personally i think ahving a web page and a mailing list and nothing else is the wrong way to go about stuff
[04:32:57] <boyd> I think you
[04:33:17] <dlg> or maybe i missed the point of what ou were sying
[04:33:20] <comay> boyd: where did you read this?  LDOM support was developed internall and was well on its way prior to opensolaris (sort of like zfs)
[04:33:22] <boyd> I think you're right, but it's hardly an open process if all you do is throw completed code over the wall
[04:33:22] <dlg> also, the y and a keys
[04:33:39] <boyd> hehe
[04:33:43] <boyd> comay: osol-discuss
[04:34:02] <dlg> theres no such thing as completed code
[04:34:10] <boyd> You know what I mean
[04:34:15] <dlg> yeah
[04:34:53] <comay> again, it was a project that predates opensolaris being released.  i suspect that they will start a project for future work that will take place in this area
[04:35:47] <dlg> i think there is a lot of value in having a small team making something work, then releasing it for public involvement
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[04:41:25] <dlg> i think im hitting a firmware bug, rather than a driver bug
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[04:51:46] <Error_404> what was that option that builds O/N twice, once with gcc ?
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[05:00:45] <jamesd__> ah help has arrived
[05:03:05] <Error_404> lol
[05:13:15] <elektronkind> man, the 6140 is actually pretty nice
[05:13:45] <elektronkind> you can turn cache commits off on the volume level rather than just controller-wide
[05:15:16] <Stric> Error_404: snv53 leaks zfs memory
[05:15:23] <Stric> or arc to be specific I think
[05:16:28] <Stric> Error_404: our machine lasts less than a day with 2GB, then just about all memory is hidden away in some kernel buffer and userspace get to share like 2MB among themselves ;)
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[05:47:09] <onbot> commit by yl194034:  6448515 "panic: divide by zero" in ssd_get_physical_geometry
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[06:40:43] <charlieS> anyone know of such a thing?
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[07:25:59] <_syphilis_> does an actv of 1.0 in iostat indicate that the device is running below maximum capacity?
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[09:15:03] <ofu> does solaris support ahci on intels ich8-southbridge?
[09:21:41] <razrX> ofu: last thing that got mentioned can be found via pointer at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006122401/
[09:22:11] <razrX> that's all i know so don't ask me more about it though
[09:36:58] <whaq> In terms of compatibility and performance, is it true that opensolaris (on x86) is best suited w/ Nvidia based AMD platform?
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[09:39:12] <dlg> is src.opensolaris.org up?
[09:39:55] <razrX> whaq: i don't own an x64 amd system yet unfortunately but it appears that nForce-based systems are used a lot (based on previous conversations here in #opensolaris and on solarisx86 yahoogroups maillist)
[09:40:24] <Error_404> my laptop's an i915 machine
[09:40:25] <Error_404> works fine
[09:41:41] <Error_404> okay... to bfu or not to bfu: http://pastebin.ca/304426
[09:41:52] <Error_404> no errors per say were thrown
[09:42:07] <richlowe> using liveupgrade?
[09:42:32] <richlowe> ok, I'm not sure what causes that, but I believe it's fine.
[09:42:44] <richlowe> I'd still err on the side of caution, but I wouldn't necessarily expect real evil.
[09:43:01] * richlowe has seen it before, but never managed to figure out why
[09:43:04] <richlowe> not that I put much thought into it.
[09:43:23] <Error_404> well, I suppose worst case scenario i brick the machine and have to pull out a DVD
[09:43:33] <richlowe> that's why I asked about liveupgrade.
[09:43:34] <Error_404> all my important data's on a zpool anyway
[09:43:38] <richlowe> it makes the worst case so much more pleasant :)
[09:43:53] <whaq> ok
[09:43:56] <whaq> fgsfds
[09:44:12] <Error_404> I *have* enough space to run a liveupgrade
[09:44:28] <Error_404> however, it's currently stolen by coreadm which doesn't like the idea that I have swap on a zpool
[09:44:29] <richlowe> I try to always have one BE completely clean (and thus upgradable traditionally)
[09:44:39] <richlowe> it means I can upgrade if I have to, it means I have something clean to fall back on if I screw up
[09:44:40] <Error_404> and won't release it
[09:44:53] <richlowe> dumpadm, not coreadm, probably.
[09:44:59] <richlowe> you can't dump to a zpool.
[09:45:00] <Error_404> err, yes
[09:45:08] <whaq> Any good snapshot management software\method? zfs makes creating fs  and snapshot too easy and too cheap... I'm drowning in snapshots nowadays..
[09:45:09] <richlowe> it should release it though, if you don't configure a dump device at all.
[09:45:12] <richlowe> I really wouldn't do that, however.
[09:45:51] <Error_404> why, i'm not going to be debugging kernel panics any time soon
[09:46:06] <richlowe> Other people may want to...
[09:46:11] <richlowe> and if you can get them dumps, that makes their life easier.
[09:46:50] <richlowe> tracking stuff down based on reading code, luck, and hoping you can maybe reproduce it is no fun at all. :)
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[09:54:27] <Error_404> this should be fun
[09:54:45] <Error_404> too late to back out now
[09:55:24] <richlowe> remember to resolve conflicts.
[09:55:25] <richlowe> acr is your friend.
[09:55:35] <Error_404> naturally
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[09:56:16] <richlowe> heh, it's better to remind you, than watch you possibly forget and leave yourself screwed, no? :)
[09:57:26] <Error_404> heh, yeah
[09:59:20] <Error_404> okie, let's see if it worked
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[10:03:46] <Error_404> okie, it worked
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[10:41:42] <bougie> hello :)
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[10:45:41] <Fish> hello
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[10:50:41] <Berny> morning
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[10:50:59] <Berny> anyone willing to help me with an networking issue in a branded zone?
[10:51:40] <asyd> don't ask to ask, just ask
[10:51:41] <Berny> if i understood the docs right, i have everything setup correctly... ip shows up in the zone (ifconfig -a says so) yet no networking possible
[10:52:22] <Berny> the zone has the centos stuff from the sun-provided image installed
[10:52:42] <Berny> networking is enabled in /etc/sysconfig/network
[10:53:34] <Berny> should netstat -rn show some routes?
[10:57:11] <raph_ael> hello
[10:57:33] <Berny> ok, if i snoop on the nic dedicated to the zone i see some outgoing packages
[10:57:34] <asyd> S7
[10:57:35] <asyd> oups
[11:03:34] <GoodKarma> morn
[11:03:37] <Berny> hmm
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[11:09:46] <Berny> hmm... strange that is :-\
[11:12:13] <Berny> bugger
[11:12:40] <Berny> why does it work, if i use the same nic i use in the global zone?
[11:14:28] <Berny> .oO(yes the second nic also works fine, if i apply the ip in the global zone
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[11:50:51] <LordKing> during the boot of the solaris install dvd i see "configuring devices.": when this run since 10 min do this mean that "your hardware is too slow forget the install"?
[11:52:38] <tsoome> or too broken;)
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[12:15:24] <Berny> right, let's see if that freaking piece of crappy medical software works in a branded zone
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[12:17:39] <timeless> brand0?
[12:20:13] <Berny> lx brand... they have a sparc version, but are unable to recompile for solx86 :-\
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[12:21:33] <Tpenta> why not?
[12:22:46] <Berny> dunno... maybe they're too busy to port their crap to linux (and ditch the sun compilers even for the sparc version in favour of gcc)
[12:23:35] <Tpenta> ummm the sun compilers exist on both solaris x86 AND linux
[12:23:52] <Berny> don't tell me
[12:23:57] <Tpenta> :-D
[12:24:07] <Berny> there still delivering sol8 on the sparc boxes they sell
[12:24:08] <zdzichuBG> Tpenta: really?
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[12:24:26] <Tpenta> i believe so, there was a big press thing about it some months back
[12:24:27] <Berny> (that i understand as they have some freaky hardware stuff involved)
[12:25:59] <zdzichuBG> Tpenta: according to Sun pages they are only in Studio Express and "These early releases are alpha/beta quality software."
[12:26:06] <zdzichuBG> but they are! cool
[12:26:15] <Tpenta> :)
[12:26:34] <zdzichuBG> (no if only this freaking LDAP worked on Solarises in my cluster....)
[12:26:44] <Berny> though there stuff is funny in a way... they record some medical (meg) data and for each analysis they compile a piece of software to do noise reduction and stuff... for that they patch some parameters into their source and off goes gcc...
[12:27:02] <Tpenta> ouch
[12:27:06] <Tpenta> yeauch
[12:27:17] <Gr|ffous> what is the most common cause of this when compiling software? gcc: unrecognized option `-rdynamic'
[12:27:38] <Tpenta> ummm gcc not recognising hat option?
[12:28:00] <Gr|ffous> I understand the error, but I'm not sure if this means that I need be using some different configuration options, or if this is a problem with the automake included with the software in question
[12:28:23] <Tpenta> probably got makefiles generated for a different compiler
[12:28:26] * boyd wonders what thought processes lead to such an abomination
[12:28:37] <Tpenta> hi boyd
[12:28:48] <boyd> Hey alan
[12:28:57] <Gr|ffous> boyd, newbism?
[12:28:59] <boyd> How was your New-years?
[12:29:11] <Gr|ffous> er, newbieism
[12:29:53] <boyd> I liked newbism actually :)
[12:30:35] <Gr|ffous> cool :), so was your comment directed at me, and if so can you explain a bit more please?
[12:31:03] <boyd> It was directed at Berny's thing
[12:31:28] <Gr|ffous> ah ok then. Well I'll try again with $CC set
[12:34:34] <Berny> i don't think they think at all...
[12:35:01] <Berny> the database involved is a version from '94 or so (no sql etc)
[12:35:39] * boyd is not surprised. Medical IT is... different
[12:35:51] <Berny> very
[12:36:20] <Berny> i mean it's ok, to be a little behind because fda approval takes time... but they are still medieval
[12:38:03] <boyd> Indeed. Medieval is a good word
[12:38:07] <LeftWing> Long-running small business is often no better.  I know a local wardrobe manufacturer still using Windows 98 on workstations and a CRM system the guy wrote in QBASIC.
[12:38:22] <LeftWing> The "backend" was a 30MB text file. =P
[12:38:45] <Berny> thats fair enough as long as it works
[12:38:56] <LeftWing> heh
[12:39:28] <Berny> but those guys are shipping like one ne version a year, selling machinery for well over a million $ a piece so i would expect a little more...
[12:39:37] <Berny> well something working at least
[12:40:15] <Gr|ffous> ok, my config.mak had the offending line containing -rdynamic. Now my automake understand is highly limited. ./configure is meant to detect what arguements my compiler will take, and generate the config.mak accordingly right?
[12:40:18] <Berny> each time one of there processes goes haywire you have to stop the "database" run some magical scripts to clean up the leftovers and start again
[12:40:58] <boyd> As I said, I can't imagine what leads to making SW like you describe. but I *can* imagine what makes people charge for it :)
[12:42:11] <Berny> they are not the only ones who work this way :-\
[12:42:23] <Berny> siemens does, ge does...
[12:42:28] <zdzichuBG> http://thedailwtf.com is full to such projects :)
[12:42:31] <zdzichuBG> s/to/of
[12:42:56] <boyd> Yeah... well worth a read
[13:08:59] <Berny> well seems to work
[13:09:09] <Berny> i'm amazed
[13:09:27] <Berny> update is due next week... let's see what news this brings...
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[13:43:35] <trygvis> what's the easiest way to measure network traffic? is there something like an iftop in solaris?
[13:44:18] <dlg> is the source for ahci available?
[13:44:36] <quasi> trygvis: netstat can do it for you
[13:46:07] <quasi> trygvis: something like netstat -sP tcp 60
[13:47:45] <quasi> trygvis: or perhaps tcptop from the DTT
[13:48:23] <trygvis> thanks
[13:49:06] <zdzichuBG> tcptrack works on solaris
[13:49:14] <dvorak> there is a dtrace script that does it also
[13:49:19] <dvorak> or you can pull it out of kstat
[13:49:41] <quasi> dvorak: yeah, tcptop is dtrace
[13:51:19] <dvorak> actually, I'm thinking of nicstat
[13:51:23] <dvorak> which is perl
[13:51:30] <dvorak> kind of like vmstat, but for nic's
[13:54:36] <richlowe> dlg: yes.
[13:54:43] <dlg> richlowe: omg url pls
[13:55:25] <jteo> i suspect request-sponsor is ignoring me. -sigh-
[13:55:32] <richlowe> $SRC/uts/common/io/sata/adapters/ahci/ahci.c
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[13:55:58] <richlowe> and oh boy does the fetish for huge single files annoy me.
[13:56:06] * richlowe thought ip.c was bad, but ahci.c may well beat it.
[13:56:20] <richlowe> oh, nope.
[13:56:22] <richlowe> not even close.
[13:56:39] <timeless> heh
[13:56:43] <timeless> how many lines?
[13:56:48] <richlowe>     5913 /ws/onnv-clone/usr/src/uts/common/io/sata/adapters/ahci/ahci.c
[13:56:51] <richlowe> however.
[13:56:56] <richlowe>    29519 /ws/onnv-clone/usr/src/uts/common/inet/ip/ip.c
[13:57:07] <dlg> 6k isnt too bad
[13:57:15] <richlowe> 29k sure is.
[13:57:22] <dlg> yeah
[13:57:27] <richlowe> ip.c is 559K
[13:57:32] <richlowe> (du -h, not lines)
[13:57:43] <zdzichuBG> huh
[13:57:53] <timeless> http://mxr-test.landfill.bugzilla.org/mxr-test/seamonkey/source/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp#13272
[13:57:59] <timeless> is about as bad as we get
[13:58:29] <tsoome> uh. it seems I have to modify solaris iso file.... the only way is to create new one?
[13:59:17] <quasi> tsoome: it is probably the easiest way to do it
[13:59:42] <Berny> tsoome: hex edit the iso *duck*
[13:59:43] <tsoome> lofiadm and mount the existing one will result read only fs
[13:59:49] <tsoome> :)
[13:59:58] <tsoome> hexedit is not a good idea:D
[14:00:25] <tsoome> ah, ok should find out how to create the bootable dvd iso....
[14:00:28] <IvanR_> richlowe: 560k? I bet your ip.c on compressed zfs.
[14:00:53] <quasi> tsoome: man mkisofs prolly
[14:01:38] <jteo> ?
[14:01:42] <tsoome> :)
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[14:03:15] <richlowe> IvanR_: yup
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[14:57:05] <LordKing> i add a network card to my solaris box. what must i do that solaris find it?
[14:57:23] <trygvis> load the driver perhaps
[14:57:40] <trygvis> and plumb the interace
[14:57:41] <trygvis> interface
[14:57:42] <richlowe> boot with -r
[14:57:49] <richlowe> and plumb the interface. :)
[14:58:13] <LordKing> boot with -r?  that i only know from sparc boxes, i talk about a x86?!
[14:59:00] <quasi> LordKing: touch /reconfigure will do the same
[14:59:19] <LordKing> ah, know i remember, thx
[14:59:40] <Stric> or run 'devfsadm -v'
[14:59:50] <Stric> instead of that "reboot" thing
[15:00:17] <quasi> Stric: x86 boxes are rarely hotplug anyway ;)
[15:01:02] <Stric> quasi: if you have already booted with the new card in..
[15:01:11] <quasi> Stric: sure
[15:03:42] <tomww> ifconfig -a plumb finds the new interface?
[15:04:45] <Stric> ifconfig blah0 plumb
[15:05:00] <Stric> to make it visible, then set ip etc
[15:08:13] <tomww> an "ifconfig -a" plumbs all known interfaces,
[15:08:29] <tomww> after that ifconfig -a   shows new interfaces with ipaddress 0.0.0.0
[15:08:42] <lasseoe> tomw: since when?
[15:09:13] <Stric> no, ifconfig -a  shows all plumbed interfaces
[15:09:16] <tomww> don't know since when this is the case
[15:09:50] <tomww> "ifconfig -a plumb" already tried? It should plumb all interfaces...
[15:10:02] <Stric> you just said "ifconfig -a" ;)
[15:10:10] <Stric> but "ifconfig -a plumb" works, yes..
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[15:35:11] <onbot> commit by Joep Vesseur:  6493200 memory leak in libsecdb chkauthattr(3SECDB); 6508016 pam_getenvlist truncates variables
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[15:37:39] <pjd_> Is there a mailing list where I can track commits?
[15:38:20] <jteo> onnv-notify?
[15:39:49] <pjd_> Thanks.
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[15:42:14] <Peanut> Hi all - just here for a quick peek at the topic to see if 55 is out already ;-)
[15:42:43] <Peanut> And a happy new year to everyone, of course.
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[15:51:39] <Stric> Peanut: since (it seems) you and I are installing 54 very soon, 55 will be out later today
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[15:53:35] <MikeTLiv1> ?
[15:53:46] * MikeTLiv1 WTF!
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[15:59:25] <aliquis> Can solaris write to any filesystem linux/os x/windows can read except fat32?
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[16:01:08] <cmihai> aliquis: huh?
[16:01:33] <cmihai> aliquis: it can read/write PC fs (FAT) and ext2 (external program)
[16:01:47] <cmihai> Not sure about HFS.. probably not?
[16:01:56] <cmihai> Same goes for writing NTFS.
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[16:04:00] <aliquis> k, know what the ext2 part is called?
[16:04:26] <aliquis> if nothing else i guess i can always make an archive on fat32 in 2GB pieces
[16:04:49] <aliquis> would suck if such archive got corrupted in the process thought ;)
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[16:11:48] <Peanut> Stric: hehe, true
[16:17:59] <richlowe> aliquis: UDF, probably.
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[16:49:38] <svoboda> can solaris mount ext2/3?  can linux mount ufs?
[16:49:55] <illsci> linux can mount ufs
[16:50:16] <illsci> if support is compiled into the kernel or there is a module for it
[16:50:45] <svoboda> thanks =)
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[16:53:50] <aliquis> illsci: any ufs? suns ufs?
[16:54:03] <LordKing> ext2fs for Solaris: http://paulf.free.fr/software.html
[16:54:16] <andersmo> aliquis: I've mounted solaris ufs in linux, I think it worked. =)
[16:54:22] <jamesb> it does work
[16:54:28] <axisys> is sshd compiled with libwrap according to this? http://rafb.net/p/pAHTvl30.html
[16:54:29] <jamesb> did it a couple days ago in knoppix
[16:54:48] <jamesb> you need to specify the ufstype though
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[17:05:50] <aliquis> andersmo: nice
[17:05:56] <aliquis> andersmo: to bad i made my home zfs =P
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[17:06:48] <aliquis> jamesb: ok, because i think freebsd uses ufs and ufs2 and openbsd might use ufs to, netbsd uses ffs and ffs2 i think.
[17:07:53] <andersmo> aliquis: well, maybe you want to experiment with zfs-on-fuse, then. =)
[17:07:59] <richlowe> there are many ufses, all slightly different.
[17:08:05] <richlowe> (NeXT had 2, I believe)
[17:08:14] <jamesb> heh :)
[17:08:31] <jamesb> linux mount (under knoppix) defaulted to "ufstype=old"
[17:08:34] <jamesb> whatever that means ;)
[17:09:19] <jamesb> but yes the manpage says they support: old, 44bsd, sun, sunx86, hp, nextstep, nextstep-cd, openstep
[17:12:27] <illsci> hey i have a question about processes on solaris
[17:12:36] <illsci> after this processes sees a fair amount of traffic, attempts to exit ( either gracefully or with kill -9), it takes on the order of minutes to actually exit
[17:12:53] <illsci> durring this time the cpu is 100% busy all in system time
[17:13:11] <illsci> my theory at this point is that its related to page accounting in some way, and the os is doing an excessive amount of cleanup related to this just before removing the process from the process table
[17:13:27] <illsci> i was wondering if there was any way to toggle this behavior on a per  process basis or even at all?
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[17:14:09] <illsci> a guy in #solaris mentioned I could run pmap -x on the process and that might give me a hint if my theory is right or not and to ask in here...
[17:14:26] <aliquis> andersmo: i think the easiest would be to just format my sata disk ext2 and then move all my files over
[17:14:40] <aliquis> thought i doubt os x can read ext2
[17:14:41] <aliquis> =P
[17:15:19] <mrdeviant> aliquis, http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/
[17:15:22] <jamesb> actually I remember seeing an ext2 OS X project on sf
[17:15:23] <jamesb> ah
[17:15:23] <jamesb> :)
[17:15:24] <aliquis> jamesb: maybe "old" is whatever openbsd uses and 44bsd what freebsd uses or something, who knows
[17:16:36] <aliquis> k, i wonder how stable all that stuff is
[17:16:39] <richlowe> OpenBSD uses ffs, FreeBSD uses ffs (spelled ufs there) and ufs2.  NetBSD uses ffs and ufs2 (spelled ffs2 there).
[17:16:47] <aliquis> reason is i have 200gb ata and 250gb sata
[17:16:49] <richlowe> I believe the name changes are purely name changes, without other more important changes.
[17:16:52] <aliquis> on ata is 20gb ntfs with xp and rest solaris
[17:17:02] <aliquis> but os x on a normal pc runs better one ata than sata
[17:17:12] <aliquis> i rather move my files over to the sata disk and use the ata for os x
[17:17:52] <aliquis> illsci: i just wished all this filesystem issues died of and everyone could start using one filesystem
[17:17:57] <aliquis> why not call it just FS ;D
[17:18:40] <illsci> i heard there was some opensolaris internals guys in here...
[17:18:53] <illsci> solve my process problem so I can go back to browsing the web and email :)
[17:19:05] <Odin-LAP> aliquis: Because it's already called ZFS? *cough*
[17:19:36] <aliquis> Odin-LAP: Well, leopard got zfs support? freebsd will get it. But windows and linux still lack it ;)
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[17:19:45] <aliquis> or well atleast partly in linux
[17:19:52] <aliquis> and never in kernel space i guess
[17:20:01] <aliquis> atleast not until it's released under gpl aswell
[17:20:41] <Odin-LAP> aliquis: There is the FUSE project; considering that Apple has already ported DTrace, they might do ZFS as well (isn't Darwin based on FreeBSD, anyway?).
[17:20:51] <Odin-LAP> In any case, Linux is behind the times. :p
[17:21:48] <aliquis> i think there are supposed to be zfs commands in leopard
[17:21:53] <aliquis> so i think it is already there
[17:22:07] <Odin-LAP> Huh. That's not something they've advertised.
[17:22:18] <aliquis> http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/16/1437226
[17:22:28] <jamesb> and it's linked from the opensolaris ZFS main page
[17:22:29] <aliquis> http://mac4ever.com/news/27485/zettabyte_sur_leopard/
[17:22:30] <richlowe> there's rumours that ZFS is there.
[17:23:02] <aliquis> the question is if timemachine uses it
[17:23:10] <Odin-LAP> ...
[17:23:11] <aliquis> would seem like a good base for timemachine so why not
[17:23:15] <Odin-LAP> That might be it.
[17:23:36] <Odin-LAP> This XRay debugging tool of theirs is based on DTrace...
[17:23:41] <richlowe> Because sensibly they'd have to have that functionality for their other filesystems too.
[17:23:50] <richlowe> on zfs it maybe smarter, but it certainly shouldn't be zfs specific.
[17:23:53] <richlowe> ... if they actually do have zfs.
[17:27:49] <aliquis> richlowe: time machine are supposed to use another disk, i don't know if that affect if it can be zfs only or not thought
[17:28:58] <jamesb> zfs send?
[17:29:45] <aliquis> do you think i dare make 200GB ext2 and use that stuff over there to mount it in solaris and move my files over?
[17:30:18] <jamesb> how much do you like your data?
[17:31:32] <jteo> that sounds exciting.
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[17:36:28] <aliquis> aliquis: around 10GB of it quite much, the rest not very much
[17:36:29] <aliquis> ;D
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[17:40:35] <guigouz> is opensolaris microkernel-based ?
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[17:40:50] <Auralis> no
[17:40:58] <guigouz> ok, thanks
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[17:59:55] <astinus> Anyone familiar with memory? I seem to remember DDR can operate at lower speeds? ie: I've got some PC3200 and the board only accepts PC2700, so it'll work, just not at max speed? Is that correct?
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[18:01:31] <zdzichuBG> astinus: yes
[18:01:46] <astinus> zdzichuBG: Will that also apply to ECC Registered stuff?
[18:01:59] <zdzichuBG> I think so
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[18:02:14] <stevel> richlowe: ping
[18:02:24] <zdzichuBG> at least DDR2 memory in Opteron systems slows down when many modules are installed
[18:03:06] <astinus> zdzichuBG: Okay, time to call Dell and ask why this ain't working then :)
[18:03:12] <Stric> astinus: It _often_ works with faster memory in "slower" motherboards..
[18:03:16] <Stric> astinus: but not always
[18:03:33] <astinus> Stric: ah OK
[18:03:43] <Stric> the faster memory needs to be refreshed X times per second, if you refresh it less often, it might not work
[18:04:13] <astinus> well I have DDR400 memory here, and the system normally takes DDR333 I believe, and its failing :x
[18:04:26] <zdzichuBG> oh
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[18:04:42] <zdzichuBG> astinus: what dell model?
[18:04:52] <astinus> zdzichuBG: Poweredge 3250
[18:05:04] <_syphilis_> is it reasonable that when a drive reports 'media error encountered', it should be replaced ASAP even if it still seems to be working?
[18:05:37] <Stric> _syphilis_: if it's reported on a read it might not mean much.. but if it's reported on a write, that probably means it has run out of spare blocks
[18:06:26] <tomww> _syphilis_: what tells iostat -E about the stats?
[18:06:48] <_syphilis_> tomww: nothing, it's in an external array
[18:07:23] <svoboda> syphilis: that shouldn't matter.  # iostat -En should report errors
[18:07:39] <svoboda> if they are soft errors; you can issue a # format -> analyse -> read
[18:07:44] <svoboda> that may correct soft errors
[18:07:55] <_syphilis_> Media Error: 0 Device Not Ready: 0 No Device: 0 Recoverable: 0
[18:07:55] <_syphilis_> Illegal Request: 2 Predictive Failure Analysis: 0
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[18:09:19] <sommerfeld> _syphylis_: don't replace on a single media error, but if you start getting multiple, it's a sign that the disk is starting to die.
[18:09:45] <_syphilis_> hmm, the error is preceeded by 'gross phase/signal error'
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[18:14:57] <zdzichuBG> astinus: it's an Itanium system?
[18:15:22] <astinus> yea
[18:16:06] <zdzichuBG>    DIMMs must be populated in groups of four, referred to as a row.
[18:16:06] <zdzichuBG> o Within a single row, all DIMMs must be identical. (
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[18:17:08] <abackos> hi
[18:17:18] <abackos> i need 1 email to send info for donations
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[18:30:24] <scode> Anyone aware of a way to turn of synchronous writes of the nfs server? I'm trying to get usable performance out of NFS+ZFS.
[18:30:29] <scode> s/turn of/turn off/
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[18:37:14] <axisys> need help w/ xuath.. http://rafb.net/p/0xXXE752.html
[18:37:38] <axisys> when i su anotheruser .. i cant run xclock anymore..
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[18:37:45] <Stric> scode: google://zil_disable
[18:37:50] <axisys> i knew the fix but lost it
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[18:39:18] <richlowe> stevel: Hey.
[18:39:40] <abackos> guys
[18:39:40] <stevel> richlowe: the 91/cstyle-false-positive bug...
[18:39:43] <stevel> i can't reproduce it?
[18:39:43] <abackos> you accept donations?
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[18:39:53] <richlowe> stevel: you need to use equivalent options.
[18:40:03] <richlowe> (pedantic, check_posix_types)
[18:40:05] <_syphilis_> abackos: i'm not sure opensolaris is the best target for donations.  it is bankrolled by a rather large company..
[18:40:12] <scode> Stric: I don't want to sacrifice reliabilyt. I just want the nfs server not to perform an fsync() on anything.
[18:40:27] <Stric> scode: that's the same
[18:40:28] <stevel> richlowe: ahh
[18:40:36] <abackos> _syphilis_ you have 1 e-mail for send info to donate?
[18:40:39] <richlowe> stevel: sorry, I thought the -Pp implied that.  I'll update the bug, if you'd like.
[18:40:58] <stevel> no worries, that makes sense.  i'm just not thinking clearly pre-coffee
[18:41:06] <Stric> scode: UFS is lying when used as an NFS server.. ZFS isn't unless you do that zil_disable
[18:41:08] <_syphilis_> abackos: opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org might do.  (or might know an OS-related project that is looking for donations)
[18:41:39] <abackos> thanks
[18:41:52] <aliquis> freebsd, syllable/aros/haiku can probably make use of them ;)
[18:42:29] <scode> Stric: But zil_disables intent logging globally. The problem is not that I want faster synchronour performance on ZFS, I want the nfs server not to *request* synchronous semantics with an fsync() because I don't care whether a file is on stable storage after it was created over NFS...
[18:42:41] <onbot> commit by Dana Myers:  6402475 asy: support Multitech MT5634ZPX-PCI-U modem
[18:42:46] <axisys> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication .. i am getting this error.. google shows million links.. anyone know of a simple fix?
[18:42:49] <guigouz> scode, async on /etc/exports ?
[18:43:00] <scode> Stric: And unless I am missing something, the ZIL is required for proper crash recovery.
[18:43:20] <scode> guigouz: I tried 'async' as a mount option, but it did not seem to be accepted. Is async supposed to work on Solaris?
[18:43:27] <guigouz> dunno
[18:43:30] <scode> Err, not mount option. I mean share option.
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[18:43:32] <guigouz> check man mount
[18:43:37] <guigouz> and man exports
[18:43:40] <scode> No mention of it in mount_nfs/share_nfs
[18:43:47] <scode> exports does not exist on solaris as far as I have been able to determine
[18:44:05] <zdzichuBG> man share
[18:44:06] <_syphilis_> solaris has dfstab, not exports.  but it's not equivalent to exports
[18:44:13] <_syphilis_> (and not used with zfs anyway)
[18:44:21] <scode> Right.
[18:44:33] <scode> I used sharenfs=.......,async
[18:44:50] <scode> But it was not accepted. And I can find no refs i manpages, to I presume it's not supported. Was hoping there was another way to do it.
[18:45:37] <_syphilis_> hm, nothing listed under nsfd(1M) or nfs(4) either
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[19:05:42] <onbot> commit by sm26363:  6248700 Memory leak in libresolv; 6337595 core dump - res_nsend() always assumes statp->_u._ext.ext not being NULL; 6340650 in.dhcpd: Must initialize statp structure before calling res_ninit(); 6487719 libdhcpdu: Must initialize statp structure before calling res_ninit()
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[19:34:31] <Berny> has anyone tried to build gcc 4.x on a centos in a lx zone?
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[19:40:58] <Stric> The geek version of a famous movie: http://www.dirtflake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/snakes_on_a_plane.png
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[19:46:20] <Odin-LAP> Stric: Isn't that Radiant?
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[19:59:21] <deather_> does the Sun make supports "ifeq"?
[20:00:11] <onbot> commit by ck153898:  6480230 ::walk spa|::walk zms_freelist cause mdb to core dump
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[20:03:41] <Stric> Loading smf(5) service descriptions:  77/135
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[20:09:36] <sunnyDay> my question : what is the difference between Soalris Express Community Release  and Solaris Express ? is the only difference is that in solaris express you pay 99$ and get a support for a year and in SXCR you don't ?
[20:09:48] <sunnyDay> and apart from this they are exactly the same ?
[20:10:01] <sunnyDay> I mean the same binaries, drivers, source code, etc?
[20:10:17] <sunnyDay> the same I mean completely iderntical
[20:10:18] <sunnyDay> ?
[20:10:19] <_syphilis_> SX is the same as a particular SX:CR release, but CR is released more often
[20:11:04] <sunnyDay> Isee
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[20:26:40] <onbot> commit by rtyagi:  6462080 Update libfrureg with latest FRU ID registry contents
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[20:32:10] <onbot> commit by gw25295:  6508883 libzfs should not use VERIFY()
[20:33:19] <AbeFroman> a flurry of post-holiday commits
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[21:10:55] <jamesb> does anyone know what might cause errors in an ONNV build: like
[21:10:56] <jamesb> ==== Check ELF runtime attributes ====
[21:10:56] <jamesb> ./boot/solaris/bin/mbr: symbol not found: __fpstart             (/export/work/onnv/proto/root_i386/boot/solaris/bin/mbr) <no -zdefs?>
[21:11:36] <sahafeez> bad code?
[21:11:44] <jamesb> it's a clean checkout
[21:12:00] <jamesb> I'm suspect dodgy compiler bits
[21:12:41] <sahafeez> sorry i fogot the <sarcastic> tag
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[21:13:45] <jamesb> :s
[21:28:55] <Error_404> I don't really understand why my school's network won't let me connect to IRC
[21:29:02] <Error_404> MSN is fair game, ssh is fair game
[21:29:05] <Error_404> but irc? not so much
[21:29:55] <_syphilis_> cuz 99% of clients on irc are drones from hacked boxes ;P
[21:30:02] <Error_404> makes sense
[21:30:16] <Error_404> meh, i can still ssh tunnel home
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[21:39:01] <Kronuz> hello, happy new year! :)
[21:39:37] <Kronuz> hey, does anyone have experience with video and audio capture servers?
[21:40:05] <Kronuz> (and audio/video streaming)
[21:41:04] <Kronuz> I need some direction finding servers for that
[21:41:29] <_syphilis_> still working on that, huh? :)
[21:41:34] <lasseoe> google: unix media streaming
[21:41:43] <Kronuz> well, now's different thing :P
[21:41:50] <Kronuz> bunch of projects I'm into
[21:42:32] <Kronuz> but I haven't found what servers can do video capturing
[21:43:00] <Kronuz> I'd like to be able to capture about 6 or 7 channels and about 20 audio channels
[21:43:10] <Kronuz> 6 or 7 video channels, that is
[21:43:55] <quasi> that's not going to be easy if you want decent quality
[21:44:00] <Kronuz> and I was hoping I could do that in a single server with the right cards
[21:44:08] <Kronuz> it's for internet streaming
[21:44:16] <zdzichuBG> you need x4500 :)
[21:44:17] <Kronuz> so it doesn't have to be very high quality
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[21:44:39] <Kronuz> but what about the capture cards
[21:44:45] <quasi> Kronuz: streaming pr0n? ;)
[21:44:49] <Kronuz> I mean, I'd need 7 video cards?
[21:44:52] <Kronuz> nope
[21:44:53] <Kronuz> news
[21:45:16] <Kronuz> (7 video capturing cards)
[21:45:27] <quasi> you'd probably be better off with 7 cheaper machines
[21:45:34] <Kronuz> quasi: what's pr0n?
[21:45:34] <zdzichuBG> live streams? so you don't need x4500
[21:45:38] <Kronuz> ;)
[21:46:00] <Kronuz> zdzichuBG: yeah, live but also the non-live kind too
[21:46:16] <Kronuz> (as to store old clips)
[21:46:44] <Kronuz> I'm a bit lost about the streaming too... I'm not sure if it uses TCP or UDP or what
[21:47:02] <quasi> Kronuz: are we talking a small hobby project or is it aiming and something big willing to spend $$?
[21:47:02] <Kronuz> basically there are the two parts of it: capturing and streaming
[21:47:19] <Kronuz> quasi: depends on how much $$
[21:47:24] <Kronuz> but there's some budget
[21:48:21] <Error_404> correct me if I'm wrong, but theoretically it's possible to run a zone with a loopback network device
[21:48:44] <Error_404> (eg, add net; set address=127.0.0.100; set physical=lo0; end )
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[21:49:13] <Kronuz> quasi: I was hoping to get a couple cards that could capture a few video channels but I'm not sure... also how would I caputre all the 20 audio channels too :S
[21:49:47] <quasi> Kronuz: you problem is then that opensolaris currently doesn't really have any support for the low end gear - only the bleedin expensive stuff afaik
[21:50:24] <Kronuz> quasi: for video and audio processing and streaming, you mean
[21:50:55] <quasi> Kronuz: yeah, something like that
[21:51:17] <Kronuz> but anyway, do you know if there are video capture cards and audio cards that can capture more than one or two channels?
[21:51:26] <Kronuz> instead of using a bunch of cards
[21:51:42] <Kronuz> also hardware encoding would be probably good
[21:51:55] <Kronuz> but I'm not sure what encoding format I want to be able to easily stream it later on
[21:52:34] <quasi> yes, I know that there are and no, I can't remember what they're called but they were linux/windos only so far from topic here
[21:53:01] <Kronuz> I see
[21:53:47] <lasseoe> loads of stuff available, Scientific Atlanta probably has some
[21:54:14] <lasseoe> not cards though, but external hardware
[21:57:36] <Kronuz> hmm
[21:58:24] <Kronuz> I'm just guessing but that sciatl sounds expensive...
[21:58:56] <lasseoe> What you want to do isn't necessarily cheap :)
[21:59:27] <Kronuz> hehe :)
[22:01:11] <onbot> commit by apersson:  6507504 IPv6 ill MIB counters are not being sync'ed
[22:01:20] <lasseoe> the X2100M2 eLOM is absolutely rubbish :(
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[22:03:03] <rcheli> Besides "format", is there another way to find out the hard drives on a system without being root ?
[22:03:36] <Auralis> iostat -E
[22:05:11] <rcheli> Auralis: that doesn't give me the drive names like  c1t0d0, etc.
[22:05:29] <richlowe> ... yes it does.
[22:05:38] <richlowe> oh, no it doesn't.
[22:05:40] <richlowe> rcheli: iostat -En
[22:05:43] <_syphilis_> not on ide it doesn't
[22:05:48] <_syphilis_> but what's wrong with 'format'?
[22:05:52] <richlowe> _syphilis_: yeah, I read an 'n' that wasn't there.
[22:06:12] <richlowe> _syphilis_: you need to be root.
[22:06:21] <richlowe> (to run format, even to do nothing with it)
[22:06:37] <_syphilis_> richlowe: even with -n i'm sure i recall -E not listing standard IDE devices (ATAPI ones are shown)
[22:06:38] <rcheli> ahh, -En  did it
[22:06:41] <rcheli> thanks  :)
[22:06:46] <_syphilis_> maybe i made that up though
[22:06:47] <richlowe> _syphilis_: it does here.
[22:06:52] <quasi> lasseoe: +1 on the M2 loms being crap
[22:07:07] <_syphilis_> is the x4200 m2 lom the same as the x4200 lom?
[22:07:26] * quasi is in the middle of putting together a hate mail to his account mgr about the crappy lom
[22:07:35] <quasi> _syphilis_: no
[22:07:49] <_syphilis_> what, they added yet another different interface?
[22:08:15] <zdzichuBG> is this somethin like x2200 elom ? with blue/cyan colors ?
[22:08:22] <lasseoe> I can't figure out why the webserver doesn't work :-/
[22:08:24] <quasi> it is not that different, but just more buggy
[22:08:35] <quasi> zdzichuBG: yes, exactly the same
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[22:08:49] <quasi> zdzichuBG: x2200s are what I've used
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[22:08:59] <_syphilis_> .. i meant to say x2100m2 there, not x4200
[22:09:31] <quasi> lasseoe: I've had no problems with the web junk - except you can't tunnel the console from the web interface
[22:09:48] <quasi> lasseoe: it just worked out of the box
[22:10:07] <zdzichuBG> x2200 elom at least have email notification, x4200 m1 don't
[22:10:12] <lasseoe> quasi: there's nothing on port 80  :-
[22:10:14] <lasseoe> :-/
[22:10:24] <quasi> lasseoe: how about 443?
[22:10:31] <lasseoe> quasi: same deal
[22:10:34] <quasi> lasseoe: you can turn off the answer on 80
[22:10:56] <quasi> lasseoe: you can turn both off in the cli
[22:11:18] <lasseoe> quasi: where?
[22:11:42] <zdzichuBG> ssh into it, or use serial connection
[22:12:01] <lasseoe> yeah I know that much, but I can't find it there :)
[22:12:15] <quasi> lasseoe: uhm, trying to remember
[22:15:03] <quasi> lasseoe: I'm pretty sure it was in the doc ;)
[22:15:20] <quasi> lasseoe: I can't remember the location just now
[22:15:31] <lasseoe> Read the X2100 M2 Inst Guide back to front and I don't see anything about it
[22:16:11] <quasi> there's also another guide iirc
[22:16:29] <lasseoe> or does that only work when you're not redirecting the console to serial ?
[22:17:01] <quasi> I don't think that should make a difference
[22:17:08] <lasseoe> That wouldn't surprise me.
[22:17:22] <quasi> the console to serial is causing me a lot of headaches
[22:17:53] <lasseoe> like?
[22:18:57] <quasi> like not getting console to work at all through the cli
[22:19:02] <quasi> os console
[22:20:08] <lasseoe> oh lovely!
[22:20:18] <quasi> it only works if you start the console before booting the os
[22:20:25] <lasseoe> makes it completely useless
[22:20:46] <quasi> yes
[22:21:01] <quasi> it worked in the non M2 models
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[22:23:53] <tomww> there was a not about the bios version for automaticly tuning on the serial console over the serviceprocessor
[22:24:55] <tomww> for s10u3 i hat to tell grub the -B console=ttya to have a old style serial console for install an normal use...
[22:25:25] <tomww> (on x4200m2)
[22:25:49] <quasi> yeah, I do that as well - but it doesn't seem to be enough
[22:25:59] <lasseoe> ee the "Embedded Lights Out Manager Administration Guide" for more details on how to use the Embedded LOM GUI
[22:26:04] <lasseoe> which doesn't exist
[22:26:39] <quasi> tomww: and really couldn't affect the output of bios and first grub screen
[22:27:07] <quasi> lasseoe: sure it does - http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/pdf/819-6588-12.pdf
[22:27:17] <quasi> lasseoe: Embedded Lights Out Manager Adminstration Guide for the Sun Fire X2100 M2 and Sun Fire X2200 M2 Servers
[22:27:58] <lasseoe> quasi: when you search for "Embedded Lights Out Manager" on docs.sun.com it doesn't show up
[22:28:18] <Doc> that's because docs.sun.com doesnt generally contain hardware docs
[22:28:36] <quasi> lasseoe: that one was out of the x2200 docs overview you get on sunsolve - system handbook
[22:28:40] <tomww> in my example the bios setting for redirecting console was set set to "always"
[22:28:53] <lasseoe> Doc: I'd say it's 50/50 which is a mess
[22:29:07] <lasseoe> and docs.sun.com should contain hardware docs
[22:29:10] <lasseoe> imho
[22:29:32] <Doc> just use the sun system handbook
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[22:48:11] <onbot> commit by Cynthia McGuire:  6509315 memory leak in iob_enum()
[22:48:37] <Error_404> the commits are all boring this cycle
[22:48:43] <lasseoe> hm
[22:49:04] <lasseoe> I find it odd that the X2100 M2 docs state that DIMMs _MUST_ be removed and installed in pairs
[22:49:11] <lasseoe> yet the box ships with just one DIMM
[22:50:23] <Error_404> that's because you're a cheapskate
[22:50:24] <Error_404> ;)
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[22:50:48] <lasseoe> no I bought 2x1GB on the side which I wanted to install
[22:51:01] <lasseoe> but now I'm a little puzzled
[22:51:42] <Doc> you need to remove the 1 DIMM that came with it, and install the 2 new ones
[22:51:54] <Doc> the only valid configs are 1 DIMM, _or_ pairs of DIMMs
[22:52:17] <Error_404> no 3x1GB allowed? that's odd
[22:52:30] <_syphilis_> is that true for all opterons, or do some require larger tuples of dimms?
[22:52:44] <Doc> nah.. the bit thats odd is that we allow the single DIMM config
[22:52:51] <Doc> blame marketing
[22:52:53] <lasseoe> Doc: ok thanks, the docs should state that a bit clearer perhaps
[22:53:08] <lasseoe> yeah it's a gready way of making money
[22:53:12] <Doc> lasseoe: when the doc was written i suspect the single dimm config wasnt supported
[22:53:20] <lasseoe> Doc: could be yeah
[22:53:36] <Doc> you take a performance hit with odd numbers of dimms
[22:53:56] <lasseoe> Yes I realise that, I was just expecting two DIMMs for that reason
[22:54:10] <lasseoe> and when I saw there was only one I started wondering what was going on
[22:57:46] <elektronkind> benr?
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[23:03:51] <lasseoe> hm.. webserver works now, had to pull the power from the box completely
[23:04:19] <lasseoe> resetting the eLOM wasn't sufficient after changing the IP address
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[23:07:23] <quasi> I didn't have that problem with the x2200M2s
[23:13:00] <lasseoe> hm hope Comms Suite will be released soon
[23:15:26] <quasi> Comms Suite? mailserver/calendar thingy?
[23:15:31] <lasseoe> yup
[23:34:44] <hspaan1> caldav support?
[23:35:32] <elektronkind> for the storage people here... a question...
[23:35:38] <lasseoe> hspaan1: not sure
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[23:35:59] <elektronkind> when it comes to RAID array features, would you consider LUN masking to be a basic one?
[23:36:34] <sommerfeld> fiberchannel?
[23:36:39] <elektronkind> yeah
[23:37:05] <elektronkind> such as creating a volume on the array and allowing only a certain (or a few) hosts to see it
[23:37:10] <elektronkind> stuff like that
[23:37:31] <tomww> sp. if windows server are on the same SAN ...
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