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[00:06:23] * nrubsig groans
[00:06:48] <nrubsig> Anyway...
[00:07:01] <nrubsig> ... Happy New Year! :-)
[00:07:45] <nrubsig> !seen dduval
[00:07:48] <Drone> I've never seen dduval talk in #opensolaris.
[00:07:55] <nrubsig> erm
[00:09:39] <nrubsig> Drone: did yo take too much of the memory supressor drugs recently ? Danek Duval... alias The Gatekeeper, Kerberos, The creeping evil, Lord of the OS/Net Keys, "... no more Mr. Nice Guy..." ...
[00:10:06] <stevel> !seen dduvall
[00:10:08] <Drone> dduvall (dduvall!i=dduvall@nat/sun/x-014bcf39eb958488) was last seen in #opensolaris on Mon 18 Dec 2006 18:22 GMT, saying 'Thanks, all.'.
[00:10:19] <nrubsig> oh
[00:10:24] <nrubsig> stevel: Thanks! :-)
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[00:13:39] <nrubsig> stevel: Any idea who may be interested in a tree cleanup project to get some cruft (e.g. cleanup Makefiles, use -xstrconst where possible, POSIX-ify command usage for portability etc.) ?
[00:14:01] <nrubsig> s/get some cruft/get come cruft killed/
[00:14:22] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: getting some cruft sounds more fun ;)
[00:14:45] <sickness> for the brave geek that's inside all of you: http://irc.suckless.org/
[00:15:12] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: please no. I just figured out that some part of the OS/Net tree do not like POSIX
[00:15:35] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: it's when we have a mixed gender naked mud-fight that things really start to get fun ;)
[00:16:09] <myrkraverk> . o O (of course, what that has to do with solaris, is beyond even me)
[00:16:40] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: feel free to propose that in opensolaris-discuss@ as possible project or booth show for the next LinuxWorld
[00:16:55] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: ;)
[00:17:37] <nrubsig> was that Danese Cooper who was bickering about CDDL vs. OS/Net vs. GPL ?
[00:20:31] <myrkraverk> is ii a filesystem?
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[00:25:03] <Stormy> so who is the brandZ guru?
[00:26:39] <myrkraverk> Stormy: not I - despite being willing to be one, someday :Y
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[00:26:41] <myrkraverk> :P
[00:27:05] <stevel> nrubsig: opensolaris-code. didn't someone propose that already?
[00:27:06] <Stormy> i'm curious if the kerenel / glibc can/will ever be updated
[00:27:46] <nrubsig> stevel: was that the janitor proposal ?
[00:28:35] <stevel> nrubsig: i think so.. .janitor/gardener... i forget what they decided on
[00:29:21] * nrubsig remebers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janitor_%28Silent_Hill%29#Silent_Hill_Movie
[00:30:45] <nrubsig> stevel: was the project ever opened ? I can't find a matching message for that... ;-(
[00:31:37] <Stormy> is it because sun's glibc is so old?
[00:32:14] <stevel> nrubsig: i'm not sure... i would check with dp - i think it was his proposal originally
[00:32:25] <nrubsig> !summon dp
[00:32:39] * nrubsig needs some frog eyes to summon people...
[00:32:50] <nrubsig> Stormy: no.
[00:33:19] <nrubsig> Stormy: Solaris has no glibc, just a libc and that is pretty much up-to-date, even supporting XPG4 and C99
[00:33:22] <nrubsig> er
[00:33:25] <nrubsig> XPG6
[00:33:43] <Stormy> so why did they choose such an old kernel to emulate?
[00:33:46] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: I think he's talking about the linux support in brandZ
[00:33:52] <Stormy> yea
[00:33:57] <nrubsig> oh
[00:33:59] <Stormy> i am sorry if i forgot to mention that
[00:34:30] <myrkraverk> Stormy: maybe becouse it was new whet they started? (i really wouldn't know)
[00:34:45] <nrubsig> Stormy: uhm... try to summon the person who wrote brandz. You need a hair from him/her, frog eyes, sulfur, holy water and some other stuff...
[00:35:00] <nrubsig> Stormy: or use email
[00:35:10] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: demon blod helps a lot too, but is hard to get
[00:35:40] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: Mhhh.... what about sommerfeld's blood ?
[00:35:49] * nrubsig hides...
[00:35:58] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: excuse me, but who's that?
[00:36:26] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: !whois sommer...
[00:36:37] <myrkraverk> !whois sommerfeld
[00:36:50] <nrubsig> s/\!/\//
[00:36:59] <myrkraverk> ah
[00:37:11] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: well, that doesn't tell me much
[00:37:49] <Odin-LAP> sickness: That's something for userspace filesystems ... which, last I knew, wasn't ready. :p
[00:37:52] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: I'm not psychic, I won't know everything about a person, just from the name
[00:38:40] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: http://blogs.sun.com/sommerfeld/
[00:38:50] <Odin-LAP> Hm.
[00:39:13] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: very nice, very helpfull and I make too many jokes at his costs... ;-(
[00:39:20] * nrubsig hides under his desk
[00:39:33] * nrubsig awaits bricks flying in his direction...
[00:39:47] <sommerfeld> no /brick command here
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[00:40:09] * Odin-LAP hands nrubsig some repel-a-brick.
[00:41:57] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: what about tasters ? Or 40mm bofors ?
[00:42:17] <Odin-LAP> Tsar Bomba?
[00:42:18] * nrubsig diggs a hole as countermeasure in the meantime...
[00:42:24] <Odin-LAP> <-- Helpful.
[00:42:32] <nrubsig> Odin-LAP: there was only one and that was expended.
[00:42:47] <Odin-LAP> nrubsig: That's what they wanted you to think.
[00:42:59] <Odin-LAP> Mwaha-mwaha-mwahahahaha!
[00:43:09] <nrubsig> Odin-LAP: MIRV is a bette idea - nuclear capet bombing.
[00:43:19] <nrubsig> s/capet/carpet/
[00:43:26] <nrubsig> dammit xx@@@!!-typos.
[00:43:37] <Odin-LAP> Hm.
[00:43:44] <Odin-LAP> Insta-winter?
[00:44:23] <nrubsig> nah
[00:44:33] <nrubsig> Doomsday device.
[00:44:40] <nrubsig> Gaja buster.
[00:45:05] <hspaans> nrubsig: from StarTrek with Krik? ;-)
[00:45:22] <hspaans> !lart keyboard
[00:45:30] <nrubsig> 36 directed-energy nukes initiating carbon fusion
[00:46:01] <nrubsig> hspaans: no, but the soviets really investigated something to make the ural unpassable for NATO troups for some years.
[00:46:10] <nrubsig> hspaans: thankfully they abandoned that.
[00:46:22] <nrubsig> s/troups/troops/
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[00:47:16] <nrubsig> fortunately the NATO abandoned their idea of salted nukes, too.
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[00:48:59] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: oh, so they only come in chocolate flavor now?
[00:49:20] <nrubsig> erm
[00:49:59] <hspaans> diet flavor for the US and sugar free flavor for the EU
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[00:51:07] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: no, salted bomb means the bomb contains a large amount of cobalt or zinc etc. which will generate highly-radioactive fallout for a short time. However "short time" means the radiation will be much more intensive and by correct timing of the decay rate it will be very hard to surive it.
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[00:51:30] <alanc> but are EU nuclear weapons now RoHS compliant?
[00:51:46] <alanc> remove the lead, but leave the plutonium?
[00:52:23] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: e.g. the time needs to be long enough to make surival in bunkers impossible (e.g. limited food supply) but keep the radiation at a mid-term fatal level.
[00:52:26] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: ah - I really don't know much about bombs ;)
[00:52:51] <nrubsig> alanc: they could just replace the lead tamper with an uranium one - more fallout.
[00:52:57] <myrkraverk> and I should eat something now; laters
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[00:53:52] <Odin-LAP> myrkraverk: At midnight?
[00:54:06] <nrubsig> alanc: And I strongly suspect they care about RoHS in this case since the resulting "waste" will be a hot ball of expanding and radioactive plasma.
[00:54:07] <myrkraverk> Odin-LAP: yes, I only woke up an hour ago
[00:54:33] <Odin-LAP> myrkraverk: Ah. That's always a nice sleep schedule.
[00:54:51] <nrubsig> alanc: but I guess the EU _could_ rules like that for nukes, too.
[00:55:01] <nrubsig> alanc: would be no suprise for me... :-)
[00:55:50] <hspaans> alanc: you want something funny? in the .nl there where limits on fireworks because noise and polution, but the .eu told those limits needed to be raised so they where the same in all .eu countries. we went from 200gram to 500gram for home usage as for a "bom"
[00:56:19] <nrubsig> erm
[00:56:29] <sommerfeld> 500 grams of what?
[00:56:30] <nrubsig> hspaans: 500g of what ? black powder ?
[00:56:49] <hspaans> nrubsig: *nods*
[00:56:58] <nrubsig> 500g are more than sufficient to blow up a car.
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[00:57:29] <nrubsig> hspaans: that cannot be true. even for professional usage there is a limit far below the 120g margin.
[00:58:26] <nrubsig> and you do not want to store 500g in one piece - black powder decays over the time and this amount would be _insane_ from the safety point of view.
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[00:58:36] <hspaans> nrubsig: tell that to my windows
[00:58:52] <nrubsig> hspaans: shattered ?
[00:59:19] <hspaans> nrubsig: only heavily shaken
[01:01:37] <mlh> I've been in Amstie on New Years (oude jaars?)
[01:01:42] <mlh> looked like a war zone
[01:01:59] <hspaans> nrubsig: the trick is that its they only allow 15 gram per shot, but there is no time restriction.
[01:03:29] <hspaans> mlh: come to The Hague next year and be surprised ;-)
[01:04:07] <mlh> no mention of NL and fireworks would be complete without mentioning the fireworks factory explosion at Enschede
[01:04:25] 
[01:04:28] <mlh> the video is on youtube -- great viewing
[01:04:49] <mlh> (for one value of 'great' :-)
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[01:06:03] <Odin-LAP> mlh: Weren't there fatalities there? :/
[01:06:06] <mlh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuurwerkramp
[01:06:25] <mlh> 23 people dead. the fireworks factory was in the centre of town
[01:07:13] <hspaans> Odin-LAP: jup like fireman tried to mix water, fire and magnesium. ideal mix for *boem* :(
[01:07:24] <Odin-LAP> hspaans: OUCH.
[01:09:39] * hspaans always loves the firework competition in Scheveningen in the summer btw
[01:09:44] <nrubsig> mlh: IMHO such companies should NOT be allowed in populated areas.
[01:09:50] <Odin-LAP> One would've thought that the firemen should know at least that fireworks components need special care...
[01:12:08] <hspaans> Odin-LAP: most firefighter in small towns are volunteers or mostly volunteers. and the pro's are being cut on there paycheck :(
[01:16:21] <hspaans> btw is it me or is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt not matching where we are today?
[01:18:54] <stevel> hspaans: how so?
[01:20:14] <hspaans> stevel: hit me the moment you said that i saw the holidays
[01:21:25] <Odin-LAP> hspaans: I would assume that even volunteers would be provided with some basic training... :/
[01:22:16] <hspaans> Odin-LAP: basic training and chemicals are two different things :(
[01:22:24] <boyd> Morning, all
[01:22:33] <jbalint> hi
[01:22:43] <sommerfeld> mlh: yike.  definitely *not* appropriate industry for a built up area.
[01:23:06] <Odin-LAP> hspaans: True.
[01:23:17] * boyd is playing with one of 13 brand new Ultra 45s. Nice
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[01:26:41] <hspaans> its afraid?
[01:26:46] <boyd> Hehe
[01:26:53] <boyd> Like the lifts in HHGTTG
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[01:30:05] <onbot> commit by Wentao Yang:  6461636 Watchdog timer should not display messages when disabled; 6500505 sun4v backward compatibility ntwdt driver for Niagara based system
[01:33:51] <Stormy> whatswith linux branded zones not wanting to take a default route yet can still get out?
[01:34:17] <sommerfeld> routing table is managed from the global zone.
[01:34:43] <Stormy> grrr
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[01:40:58] <jsubl2> is it safe to use blastwave stuff on sxcr 54
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[01:42:05] <hile_> Unless something major's changed, it'd be the same as using it on any other build.
[01:42:41] <jsubl2> thanks
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[01:47:05] <nrubsig> Anyone from the CAB here ?
[01:47:28] * nrubsig wonders if he news should be posted here...
[01:53:00] <Odin-LAP> News?
[01:53:13] <jamesd_> nrubsig, call  1-888-yellow-cab
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[01:55:24] <nrubsig> james_: why ?
[01:56:05] <jamesd_> nrubsig, because you want a cab
[01:56:28] <jbalint> hi, i have this error with pkgrm for a blastwave package http://rafb.net/p/I9imuR75.html anybody know what could cause it?
[01:56:43] <jamesd_> no cab members hang out here usually... and  it being  jan 1, 2007 isn't going to make them magicly appear.
[01:58:20] <jamesd_> er jan 2.
[02:02:40] <Error_404> why aren't there any CAB members that hang out here, anyways?
[02:02:57] <jamesd_> they are too busy.
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[02:06:39] <Error_404> advising
[02:06:42] <Error_404> *nod*
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[02:16:53] <alanc> oh joy, the pain has begun:     CR 6508984 Created P3 xserver/font  Responsible Manager: alan.coopersmith at sun dot com
[02:19:36] <alanc> fortunately, I'm only supposed to be responsible for a week until the real new manager arrives
[02:19:54] <nrubsig> alanc: hire me! :-)
[02:20:05] <nrubsig> oh
[02:20:06] <nrubsig> wait
[02:20:15] <nrubsig> alanc: you're a manager now ?
[02:20:32] * nrubsig imagines alanc bullying some slave engineers around...
[02:21:03] <nrubsig> Somehow the picture doesn't fit.
[02:21:13] <alanc> no, I'm just the guy whose name got put in since bugster won't let you file bugs with a responsible manager who doesn't work here any more
[02:21:25] <nrubsig> I can't imagine alanc to bully anyone around... to friendly... :-)
[02:21:32] <alanc> since our previous manager left at the end of last month and his replacement starts next Monday
[02:21:34] <Error_404> new fonts ?
[02:21:43] <Error_404> yay! x11 won't look like ass anymore
[02:22:02] <alanc> not from us
[02:22:19] <alanc> the actual bug report was "I'm running firefox & thunderbird on an x86 machine (running nevada build 55), displaying to a sparc machine (running S10), and the fonts (which are using subpixel antialiasing) are not displaying correctly.  For example, colored text is the wrong color (links in firefox that should be blue are green).  I think it may be a byte order problem when rendering subpixel antialiased fonts."
[02:23:05] <nrubsig> fun... ;-(
[02:23:58] <alanc> nrubsig knows how fun rgb byte swapping can be
[02:25:02] <nrubsig> Xgl
[02:25:05] <alanc> and as for hiring, we have no open positions right now - maybe the new manager will be able to fix that in the future
[02:25:08] <nrubsig> yeah
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[02:25:46] <alanc> though as part of the change of managers, they're doing a small reorg and moving the SFW/CCD teams into ours
[02:26:18] <alanc> so our group is growing by a few people next week, but those are all people who already work here
[02:26:33] <Error_404> does sun hire remote workers (I mean in general, not right now)
[02:26:34] <Error_404> ?
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[02:27:03] <Error_404> for example, if I never have any intention of leaving vancouver, would it still be possible to get a job @ sunw?
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[02:27:55] <alanc> yes
[02:28:18] <Error_404> interesting
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[02:28:21] <alanc> one of our video driver guys works from his home near detroit
[02:28:36] <Error_404> and I graduate uni about the time sun stops bleeding money too
[02:30:00] <Error_404> Sun actually has an office in Burnaby (about 10 minutes outside van.)
[02:30:05] <Error_404> but i think they only do sales there
[02:30:05] <alanc> jimgris has blogged about his move to Japan, still working for the team in the US
[02:30:32] <alanc> Gman & laca both work remotely too
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[02:37:50] <Error_404> they also unfortunately don't have the campus ambassador program for my school
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[02:45:49] <Tpenta> good morning folks, happy ne wyear
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[02:52:40] <nrubsig> Tpenta: happy new year!
[02:53:24] <nrubsig> Tpenta: based on the ratio of typos the time where *hicks* the remaining *hicks* is *hicks* oh forget it *hicks*
[02:54:01] * nrubsig votes for less firewater
[02:54:44] <nrubsig> Is there any ETA when the lists are restored ?
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[03:05:12] <nrubsig> oh f*ck... niagara isn't a year old and we already have a "backward compatibility driver" in the tree
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[03:27:03] <richlowe> yay bugmail
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[04:19:04] <onbot> commit by Tom Erickson:  6505802 test suite failure: tst.Bean.ksh; 6505806 test suite failure: tst.MultiAggPrinta.ksh; 6506495 -DJAVA_DTRACE_MAX_CONSUMERS=N for any N < 8 is treated as if it were 8
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[04:40:16] <nrubsig> which script sets a default route at startup ?
[04:40:24] <richlowe> there's two of them.
[04:40:47] <nrubsig> richlowe: the one which reads /etc/defaultrouter
[04:40:58] <richlowe> svc:/network/physical, and svc:/network/routing-setup
[04:40:59] <nrubsig> or better: _should_ read
[04:41:00] <richlowe> they both do.
[04:41:02] <richlowe> I'm not sure why.
[04:41:16] <richlowe> (maybe a bug, maybe intentional but subtle)
[04:42:33] <nrubsig> uhm... seems  I have no svc:/network/routing-setup
[04:42:44] <richlowe> you're probably on a build prior to the integration of that stuff.
[04:44:15] <nrubsig> richlowe: this is B51
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[04:46:12] <richlowe> network/routing-setup appeared in snv_53 I think.
[04:46:21] <richlowe> so, just network/physical, in your case probably.
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[05:23:16] <nrubsig> shit
[05:23:48] <nrubsig> why is ksh93 on i386 broken as hell and works on SPARC ? Same source, same compiler flags, same setup... ,-(
[05:24:29] * nrubsig groans
[05:24:42] <nrubsig> not again THAT shit
[05:25:13] <nrubsig> "revenge of the stty process" bug
[05:25:48] <nrubsig> !summon al hopper
[05:26:23] <nrubsig> I hate my life...
[05:26:34] * nrubsig needs a rope, a chair, a tree and a towel...
[05:26:46] <Error_404> always have a towel
[05:27:07] <nrubsig> Error_404: to defend yourself against the Kreel ?
[05:27:34] <Error_404> towels are infinitely useful
[05:27:43] * nrubsig checks his hitchhiker guide for suggestions
[05:27:47] <nrubsig> yeah
[05:28:47] <nrubsig> Sounds like the Subprime-credit market in the US is finally collapsing.
[05:32:05] * nrubsig finds anoher very usefull link about ATI: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2006-October/000299.html
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[05:38:54] <elektronkind> yar
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[06:16:36] <whaq> heh
[06:17:29] <nrubsig> mommiie... I am alone....
[06:17:37] <nrubsig> *panic*
[06:18:10] <elektronkind> roland
[06:18:19] <nrubsig> elektronkind: what ?
[06:18:21] <elektronkind> I found an article on your friend
[06:18:24] <elektronkind> http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0503/excerpt3.html
[06:18:35] <elektronkind> Gustave.
[06:19:12] <nrubsig> elektronkind: that's a crocodile, not a komodo dragon
[06:19:23] * nrubsig hands thick glasses to elektronkind
[06:19:37] <elektronkind> I think that crock can beat your komodo dragon.
[06:19:44] <nrubsig> unlikely
[06:19:56] <elektronkind> oooh you think so ;)
[06:20:25] <nrubsig> Legend says that london zoo once tried to place komodo dragons together with the crokodiles.
[06:20:30] <nrubsig> Result:
[06:20:36] <nrubsig> sex dead crocodiles
[06:20:39] <nrubsig> er
[06:20:42] <nrubsig> s/sex/six/
[06:20:52] <whaq> talkabout kinky interspecies action..
[06:21:25] <nrubsig> however I think this is pure bullsh*t.
[06:21:43] <nrubsig> noone would be so dumb to put them together.
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[06:31:18] <nrubsig> whaq: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8399928094809744605
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[06:36:11] <nrubsig> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3891165729134783717
[06:36:16] <nrubsig> no comment :-)
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[06:37:29] <steleman> and here it is
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[06:38:08] <nrubsig> grumpf
[06:38:29] <steleman> more predictable than the swiss railway system
[06:38:35] <onbot> commit by Aleksandr Guzovskiy:  6498368 Reduce va_to_pa overheads; 6500938 tte_remap panics with inconsistent sf_hments
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[06:47:48] <nrubsig> steleman: pong!
[06:48:01] <steleman> wassup
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[07:13:43] <gotit> Hi every body
[07:13:56] <gotit> I am not able to install the solaris from dvd
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[07:17:58] <gotit> its sol 10 606 for x86
[07:18:52] <dwc-> yea?
[07:19:04] <loren> I wonder why restrictions on the PARAM_REQUEST_LIST parameter only seem to work after booting?  I'm trying to make my machine ignore DNS server configuration and just use what's in the /etc/resolv.conf file.  (solaris express 12/06)
[07:19:18] <dwc-> why not?
[07:20:03] <loren> (The parameter in /etc/default/dhcpagent)
[07:20:38] <elektronkind> interesting
[07:21:21] <gotit> i dont know ? i have centos installed , and when i put the dvd in the rom and run the file nothing happens,
[07:21:31] <dwc-> "run the file" ?
[07:21:42] <gotit> yeah the install file
[07:21:55] <elektronkind> nm -u <object file> on sparc lists _<function name> at the top of the list. On x86 it lists them as if the _ was ignored. (the list is supposed to be alphabetical)
[07:21:56] <dwc-> it's likely not a linux elf binary, try booting from it
[07:22:27] <elektronkind> wonder if this is bug (and a minor one at that)
[07:23:46] <gotit> ok
[07:24:13] <gotit> now its showing some warnings
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[07:24:21] <dwc-> elektronkind: does it mix in Uppercase and lowercase functions the same?
[07:24:28] <gotit> error for command : read(10)
[07:25:18] <elektronkind> can't say... the particular oject file I'm looking at doesn't have any unreferenced symbols with a upper-cased letter in them.
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[07:26:01] <gotit> whats that vmware software i am downloading :)
[07:26:02] <dwc-> does it do it for all of them? (without -u)
[07:26:43] <dwc-> gotit: I dunno, verify your burn?
[07:26:44] <elektronkind> hmm
[07:27:42] <elektronkind> on sparc, alphabetical with ucase first. On x86, it's full alphabetical, regarless of case.
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[07:28:58] <elektronkind> granted, the x86 box is snv b50, and the sparc box is s10u3... but I don't think nm has changed that much.
[07:29:08] <elektronkind> if at all
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[07:29:37] <dwc-> I'm seeing similar, comparing a sol8/sparc and a s10u1 x86
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[07:30:20] <elektronkind> I'd call that a decent correlation
[07:30:27] <rydis> Have you got the same locale settings, too?
[07:31:09] <dwc-> en_US on both for me
[07:31:47] <elektronkind> C on the sparc box and en_US.UTF-8 on x86
[07:32:18] <rydis> OK. Just a long shot. (That, and a good first approximation to /anything/ odd is "blame locales". ;)
[07:32:37] <elektronkind> heh. locales can indeed be a boogeyman at times.
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[07:34:10] <elektronkind> ok, it is locale
[07:34:35] <elektronkind> changing from C to UTF-8 on the sparc box produces the same output ordering as my x86 box
[07:34:43] <elektronkind> silly locales.
[07:34:46] <elektronkind> thanks rydis
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[07:35:24] <rydis> You're welcome, and my suspiciousness reinforced. :)
[07:36:40] <loren> lol
[07:37:44] <dwc-> I'll stop poking at mine... my head already hurts
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[08:40:22] <nrubsig> good night! :-)
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[08:58:50] <Gr|ffous>  /me yawns
[09:00:37] <Gr|ffous> so, how is everyone doing?
[09:02:14] * asyd is writing code
[09:02:21] <asyd> \_o<
[09:03:20] <Gr|ffous> ok, now I remember from last time that that's a duck... I'm still not quite getting it though?
[09:03:31] <Gr|ffous> we should hide from the code?
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[09:04:34] <Triskelios> which slice is /var traditionally?
[09:04:58] <Gr|ffous> I didn't know that it had a tradional slice sorry
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[09:17:07] <Gr|ffous> ok, I need to make a pptp connection, and I have no idea where to start. What tool should I be manning?
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[09:18:47] <Doc> go and buy any book on security
[09:18:58] <Doc> then look up "bad" in the index. you should find something about pptp there
[09:19:15] * Gr|ffous giggles
[09:19:27] <Doc> it's probably the most insecure protocol in existance (and i'm including telnet in that list)
[09:19:47] <Gr|ffous> oh come on, it at least has encryption - even if it's not great
[09:20:10] <cmihai> Nothing like a false sense of security :)
[09:20:53] <Gr|ffous> the truth is, I want to vpn into work so I can play with my 3510 some more
[09:21:03] <Gr|ffous> so at least my motives are pure!
[09:24:35] <cmihai> Can't say I use it, but I guess there must be a poptop port.. seems to be the defacto solution
[09:24:42] <cmihai> Do you happen to have a Cisco VPN concentrator?
[09:24:42] <Gr|ffous> Woah man, I really thought I'd clicked a wrong link to get HERE! http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/stateoftheart/winxp/localareaconnection/
[09:25:27] <cmihai> 'the hell's that supposed to be
[09:25:33] <cmihai> MS support?!
[09:27:13] <Gr|ffous> cmihai, no we don't it's just a mid range cisco router with vpn built in
[09:27:25] <cmihai> Oh.
[09:27:33] <cmihai> Does it support Cisco IPSEC thing?
[09:27:39] <cmihai> If so, you can connect with vpnc..
[09:27:54] <Gr|ffous> Unfortunately I don't think I'm allowed to make changes to it
[09:28:03] <cmihai> It's a Cisco VPN client for UNIX.
[09:28:06] <cmihai> OH.
[09:28:18] <cmihai> Well, maybe it's already turned on :)
[09:28:45] <Gr|ffous> hopefully, is here an easy external port I can test?
[09:29:26] <cmihai> vpnc, get the source.
[09:29:32] <cmihai> It's really straight forward.
[09:30:20] <cmihai> http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/
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[09:37:02] <dwc-> cisco does have a vpn client for solaris, as well
[09:38:15] <dwc-> pptp isn't *that* bad, as long as you understand the weaknesses and avoid them
[09:39:00] <dwc-> even if you use chapv2, at least they fixed (most) of the (glaring) weaknesses and they're not using v1 anymore
[09:39:04] <quasi> dwc-: avoid them as in not using pptp at all?
[09:39:39] <dwc-> no, as in not allowing users to pick their pptp passwords ;)
[09:39:47] <dwc-> or better yet, use EAP-TLS with certificates
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[09:42:17] <dwc-> ipsec has its share of "oops-why-did-we-do-that"
[09:43:08] <trygvis> dwc-: they have a pptp client?
[09:43:41] <dwc-> I seem to remember some problems with IKEv1
[09:44:12] <dwc-> and there was another vulnerability to cryptanalysis in one of the initiating modes... active mode or something like that
[09:44:44] <dwc-> enough so that the *swan implementations refused to implement it, and if you needed it (due to lack of control of the other end of the vpn), you had to get someone else's patch to do it
[09:44:48] <dwc-> who is they?
[09:45:01] <trygvis> cisco
[09:45:06] <trygvis> or did I miss something?
[09:45:41] <dwc-> I don't know if cisco has a solaris pptp client
[09:45:57] <dwc-> but there is an official cisco vpn client (ipsec) for solaris
[09:46:01] <dwc-> to connect to their routers and such with
[09:46:08] <dwc-> the router probably does both pptp and ipsec
[09:46:19] <trygvis> yeah, but I really need a pptp client :/
[09:46:24] <trygvis> stupid ms-based office
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[09:47:01] <dwc-> rumor has it pptp-linux actually works on non-linux operating systems
[09:47:20] <trygvis> I tried to build it, but couldn't get it to work
[09:47:20] <Gr|ffous> I'm suffering through the registration process now to download it from cisco
[09:47:23] <dwc-> if there isn't one already, anyways
[09:47:24] <trygvis> didn't try too hard though
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[09:48:56] <dwc-> Gr|ffous: yea, it's kinda annoying....
[09:49:20] <dwc-> esp when they used to make you do like the 5-page auth/fill-out-address/license agreement to .... view the readme
[09:50:01] <Gr|ffous> I just can't make it work, it won't take my username 'griffous' because it contains invalid charactors. It won't take griffousnz because it's already in use... WTF?
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[10:26:10] <raph_ael> hello
[10:27:06] <BadKarma> moin
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[11:18:47] <wild> A question about osdev...how do works on the intel arch the page table and the page directory?
[11:25:19] <wild> Do you known some irc channel that speak about osdev?
[11:27:51] <Tpenta> did you have something specific to ask, that's a pretty broad topic you brushed on
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[11:29:11] <andersmo> wild: If you want to know how the virtual memory subsystem on the intel x86 / amd64 architecture works in deep detail, you might want to take a look at the architecture documentation available from Intel and AMD.
[11:30:06] <andersmo> It's not exactly light reading, but hopefully reasonably complete. =)
[11:30:23] <wild> uhm ok
[11:30:59] <wild> But do you known somebody that can speak by me about this question?
[11:31:14] <Error_404> if you have a question, just ask
[11:31:19] <Error_404> if anyone knows, they'll pipe up
[11:31:44] <bit0rder> Solaris 10 global zone with 3 containers (web, app, and dba)  	 Virtual Solaris 10 utilizing Containers for N+ deployments
[11:31:48] <andersmo> And if somebody doesn't know, but is as curious as you, maybe they'll find something with Google. =)
[11:31:58] <bit0rder> does anyone have it>
[11:31:59] <bit0rder> ??
[11:32:27] <darrenm> bit0rder what about it ?
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[11:32:38] <Tpenta> hello darren, happy new year
[11:32:45] <wild> there'aren't a documentation very bad about this on google
[11:33:17] <bit0rder> darrenm, i cant download from torrent
[11:33:24] <bit0rder> and from sun's page
[11:33:27] <darrenm> there are not torrents any more
[11:33:29] <darrenm> IIRC
[11:33:34] <darrenm> some legal issue apparently
[11:33:40] <darrenm> don't know any more than that
[11:33:55] <Error_404> wild: documentation about what? you haven't asked a question
[11:34:14] <Error_404> darrenm: the problem is export license... with a torrent, sun can't ensure it doesn't go to iran
[11:34:15] <andersmo> wild: I don't think anyone really understands what you're trying to find out yet. Maybe if you could elaborate a bit? =)
[11:34:18] <bit0rder> darrenm, cant open sun's page too
[11:35:18] <wild> ok thanks
[11:35:35] <andersmo> Well, with the right tracker Sun can (as much as any web server can), but hackin' torrent trackers is probably not a high priority at Sun. =)
[11:35:56] <bit0rder> whats with iran?
[11:36:09] <Error_404> bit0rder: they're export restricted
[11:36:20] <Error_404> so's cuba, couple others
[11:36:25] <Tpenta> Sun wants to keep their export license
[11:36:48] <bit0rder> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/scripts/va-stats/appliance-redirect.php?nid=420&target=http%3A%2F%2Fjavashoplm.sun.com%2FECom%2Fdocs%2FWelcome.jsp%3FStoreId%3D8%26PartDetailId%3DSES-VM-1.0-G-F%26TransactionId%3Dtry
[11:36:56] <bit0rder> i cant even open it
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[11:48:49] <Doc> darrenm: something i dont think the internet as we know it would work well without html...
[11:48:51] <Doc> err
[11:48:54] <Doc> somehow  even
[11:49:31] <Cyrille> it worked fine for a few years without it though.
[11:49:36] <Tpenta> good evening scott. happy new year buddy
[11:49:39] <Tpenta> mor ethan a few
[11:50:26] <Cyrille> right so, it worked fine for many years without it though.
[11:50:34] <Tpenta> :-D
[11:50:37] <Cyrille> or is many still not enough?
[11:50:40] <Doc> that's why i added "as we know it"
[11:50:40] <Cyrille> ;-)
[11:50:52] <Doc> if we got rid of html then tpenta would have to go back to running a MUD
[11:51:20] <lasseoe> and start using Gopher again :)
[11:51:41] <Tpenta> :)
[11:52:28] <Cyrille> imagine there's no html, it's easy if you try, no spam picture emails, no wikis, around us only ftp... ;-)
[11:52:57] * Tpenta wonders who remembers fsp
[11:52:58] <quasi> gopher rulez - and now that vista doesn't support gopher anymore, there's a nice niche free of the noise of lusers ;)
[11:53:15] <Doc> tpenta: indeed
[11:54:57] <Doc> then again, if we got rid of html there's be more bandwidth for bittorrent!
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[12:15:50] <darrenm> Doc: I didn't say we should get rid of HTML only HTML in email messages!
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[12:17:53] <jteo> gopher rules.
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[12:49:15] <Berny> metattach d12 d14
[12:49:15] <Berny> d12: submirror d14 is attached
[12:49:15] <Berny> metattach: bti1: /dev/md/dsk/d0: not a metadevice
[12:49:22] <Berny> what does that tell me?
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[12:54:06] <lasseoe> Berny: what does metastat d0 tell you?
[12:54:43] <Berny> that everything is okay...
[12:54:58] <Berny> except that metastat won't finish for whatever reason
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[13:02:52] <IvanR_> Tpenta: Wow, I'd forgetten about fsp, and getting it running on A/UX.
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[13:05:35] <leal> hello...
[13:06:14] <Gr|ffous> hi leal
[13:07:58] <dlynes_laptop> Is there a reason why Solaris needs 329 processes running on a simple bootup?
[13:08:34] <Gr|ffous> processes, or lwps?
[13:09:15] <dlynes_laptop> lwps?
[13:09:26] <dlynes_laptop> lightweight kernel processes?
[13:09:28] <dlynes_laptop> i.e. threads?
[13:09:45] <leal> what the difference between functions with "_" and without it? I mean: __pollsys and pselect? I'm using dtrace @[ustack()]
[13:09:56] <darrenm> dlynes_laptop: run ps and it will show you what is running
[13:10:05] <darrenm> if you run svcs you will see what services that is
[13:10:05] <dlynes_laptop> darrenm: that's what I ran
[13:10:18] <darrenm> console login or GNOME or CDE ?
[13:10:26] <dlynes_laptop> openpbx openpbx $ ps -aAdeflcjLPy | wc
[13:10:31] <dlynes_laptop> That gave me a count of 329
[13:10:34] <Gr|ffous> I actually don't know what they are, I have to confess. I just remember thinking the same when I first jumped into solaris
[13:10:42] <Gr|ffous> threads of some kind I'm sure..
[13:10:59] <dlynes_laptop> I'm used to doing ps auxffww for my process list
[13:11:02] <dlynes_laptop> but solaris barfs on that
[13:11:03] <Gr|ffous> that's a LOT of ps flags!
[13:11:14] <Gr|ffous> what does ps -ef give you?
[13:11:21] <dlynes_laptop> i tried ps -af, but that doesn't give me all the info i wanted
[13:11:28] <trygvis> dlynes_laptop: that includes all threads
[13:11:29] <darrenm> what info do you want ?
[13:11:31] <dlynes_laptop> ah
[13:11:38] <darrenm> trygvis: no it doesn't
[13:11:43] <dlynes_laptop> Still 71 processes with just ps -ef
[13:12:01] <trygvis> darrenm: eh?
[13:12:10] <darrenm> ps -af DOES NOT LIST threads only processes
[13:12:11] <Gr|ffous> 107 for me with a running system
[13:12:16] <dlynes_laptop> Including a whole bunch of crap with '/iMS/' in the path
[13:12:32] <darrenm> dlynes_laptop: how are you logged into it ? console tty login, GNOME, CDE, ssh ?
[13:12:33] <trygvis> dlynes_laptop: why is 107 a lot of processes?
[13:12:36] <darrenm> which release of Solaris ?
[13:12:40] <dlynes_laptop> Solaris 8
[13:12:54] <Gr|ffous> oh, pass on 8, I only know 10 :/
[13:12:57] <dlynes_laptop> trygvis: coming from freebsd and linux, 107 is a colossal number of processes
[13:13:12] <trygvis> and why is that an issue?
[13:13:20] <darrenm> Solaris 8 and all releases before Solaris 10 update 3 had lots of processes started up at boot providing remote services
[13:13:37] <darrenm> Solaris Express and Solaris 10 update 3 (aka 11/06) don't do that
[13:13:39] <dlynes_laptop> all those processes hog up memory that I would rather allocate to apache or my telepony server
[13:13:53] <dlynes_laptop> s/telepony/telephony/
[13:14:04] <trygvis> right ..
[13:14:17] <dlynes_laptop> I've got a very limited amount of memory on that machine
[13:14:20] <darrenm> I'd HIGHLY recommend updating to at least Solaris 10 but better yet the latest Solaris Express release
[13:14:37] <dlynes_laptop> What's the difference between Solaris express and Solaris 10?
[13:14:50] <darrenm> Solaris 10 is Solaris 10
[13:15:01] <darrenm> Solaris Express is the indevelopment what will become Solaris 11
[13:15:07] <dlynes_laptop> Yeah, I've got Solaris 10 on DVD and CD
[13:15:10] <darrenm> Solaris Express is an OpenSolaris distribution
[13:15:22] <darrenm> Solaris 10 is not but contains features that were developed in OpenSolaris
[13:15:25] <dlynes_laptop> ok
[13:15:38] <dlynes_laptop> I just wanted to be able to keep Solaris 8 on this machine for development purposes
[13:15:43] <darrenm> Solaris 10 gets full SunService support and patches Solaris Express gets new releases
[13:15:48] <dlynes_laptop> I've got Solaris 10 on some of my other machines
[13:16:12] <darrenm> why would you want Solaris 8 for development ? unless you build software to ship to other people that needs to run on Solaris 8.
[13:16:14] <dlynes_laptop> I've also got Solaris 9 on another machine
[13:16:21] <dlynes_laptop> darrenm: exactly the reason
[13:17:12] <dlynes_laptop> The one machine I've got solaris 9 on, apparently can't run Solaris 10, either
[13:17:25] <darrenm> SPARC or x86 ?
[13:17:35] <dlynes_laptop> All five machines I've got are Ultrasparcs
[13:18:00] <darrenm> UltraSPARC I CPUs less that 170MHz don't run Solaris 10, everything else should be fine
[13:18:22] <dlynes_laptop> Sunblade 100, an Ultra 2 Creator, an Ultra 2 Creator 3D, a Netra t1 105, and a Sunfire v250
[13:18:53] <dlynes_laptop> I'm guessing the Ultra 2 Creator or the Sunblade 100 is the one that can't run it
[13:19:01] <darrenm> all of those sound fine to me.
[13:19:14] <dlynes_laptop> hrm...maybe it's the latest Solaris 10 it can't run then?
[13:19:23] <dlynes_laptop> I was told this by someone that used to work at Sun
[13:19:38] <dlynes_laptop> Netwolf
[13:19:58] <darrenm> The SunBlade 100 is definetly fine
[13:19:59] <dlynes_laptop> Or maybe he meant that it was so slow on Solaris 10 that it wasn't usable?
[13:20:19] <darrenm> depends on what you are trying to use it for and your personal definiiton of slow!
[13:20:20] <Doc> what speed are the CPUs in the U2's?
[13:20:27] <dlynes_laptop> No idea, offhand
[13:20:31] <Doc> all of those will run S10 faster than S9 or S8
[13:20:32] <dlynes_laptop> I haven't really taken a look at them yet
[13:21:02] <darrenm> the t1 is okay as well because it has an UltraSPARC II processor
[13:21:04] <dlynes_laptop> The only one I've worked on that much is the Netra t1
[13:21:11] <dlynes_laptop> And it's a pretty nice machine
[13:21:34] <dlynes_laptop> After using the LOM port, I kinda got hooked on Sparcs :0
[13:21:47] <dlynes_laptop> Just haven't had the time to explore the other ones yet
[13:21:49] <Doc> the U2's wont run S10 if they have 167/200Mhz procs. otherwise they will be fine (ie, if they are 300 or 400mhz)
[13:21:52] <darrenm> The Ultra 2 machines could have UltraSPARC I 167MHz CPUs in them or they might have somthine better
[13:22:27] <Doc> i dont think we ever released a U2 Creator with less than 300Mhz procs, but i could be wrong
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[13:22:53] <dlynes_laptop> ah
[13:22:57] <dlynes_laptop> btw
[13:23:20] <dlynes_laptop> Is there any way to convert the bus in those Ultra 2 Creators to run PCI slot cards?
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[13:23:35] <dlynes_laptop> Or is that a dream? :)
[13:23:40] <darrenm> Doc: internal link: http://scsh280r1.holland.sun.com/handbook_internal/Systems/U2/spec.html
[13:23:47] <darrenm> dlynes_laptop: no that isn't possible
[13:23:55] <dlynes_laptop> didn't think so
[13:24:00] <dlynes_laptop> but i figured i'd ask :0
[13:24:23] <dlynes_laptop> Just wanted to be able to try running some Sangoma cards on the sparcs
[13:24:46] <Doc> darren: yah.. i'm moderately familiar with the handbook... :)
[13:24:53] <dlynes_laptop> Are there telephony cards available for Sparcs?
[13:25:12] <darrenm> what is a telephony card by your definition ?
[13:25:19] <dlynes_laptop> TDM, or PRI card
[13:25:46] <dlynes_laptop> i.e. have RJ11 analog ports on it, or RJ45 PRI signalling ports
[13:25:59] <dlynes_laptop> or Amphenol connectors
[13:26:08] <Doc> darren: btw, do you have a non-html version of that page? :)
[13:26:09] <lasseoe> could well be some 3rd party PRI cards available
[13:27:03] <dlynes_laptop> I'd just heard the Netra t1's and x1's were designed for telephony
[13:27:11] <dlynes_laptop> That's why I thought there might be something
[13:27:12] <PerterB> dlynes_laptop: there's drivers for the Zaptel cards at http://www.solarisvoip.com/ if that's any use
[13:27:36] <dlynes_laptop> PerterB: yeah, but that's for PCI-based systems, such as the Sparc 5
[13:27:54] <darrenm> telco use doesn't imply that the cards are actually in the netra t1 machines though ;-)
[13:28:02] <PerterB> oh sorry, I thought you were talking about PCI
[13:28:36] <dlynes_laptop> PerterB: I knew about that already, and Alex at Sangoma is working on a native driver for Solaris on Intel that might be coming out of beta this month
[13:28:50] <dlynes_laptop> PerterB: after that one's out of beta, he'll be working on a port of it to the Sparc
[13:29:37] <dlynes_laptop> darrenm: ah..what does it imply then?
[13:29:54] <dlynes_laptop> darrenm: it's just used for the database servers by the telcos?
[13:30:16] <dlynes_laptop> darrenm: i.e. oracle or something similar?
[13:31:07] <lasseoe> I've done alot of VoIP stuff with Sun kit, and none of the 400 or so servers had specific cards in them
[13:31:30] <lasseoe> it was handled by other telco kit and sent to us using TCP/IP
[13:31:36] <dlynes_laptop> ic
[13:31:36] <lasseoe> encapsulated
[13:32:05] <dlynes_laptop> Yeah, I'm kinda wanting to do both with Solaris on Sparc
[13:32:12] <dlynes_laptop> Then I can get rid of all the Linux boxes
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[13:32:39] <dlynes_laptop> Solaris on Sparc can handle 4x(?) the call volume of Linux on Intel
[13:32:44] <lasseoe> ciscos did the voice encapsulation.
[13:32:55] <lasseoe> Depends on the software I'm sure.
[13:33:07] <leal> somebody knows "basically" how the XDMCP works? I mean, why it is so slow??
[13:33:33] <leal> a gnome-terminal in a ssh tunel is much faster than one in a XDMCP session.
[13:33:40] <dlynes_laptop> that's assuming Solaris 10, Sunfire servers, 4xSMP vs 4xSMP XEON on the Intel side running Fedora core 5
[13:34:54] <lasseoe> VoIP is fun stuff.
[13:35:48] <dlynes_laptop> Yeah
[13:35:56] <dlynes_laptop> But I've been losing too many hairs in the process
[13:36:06] <dlynes_laptop> That's why I want to switch to Sparcs
[13:36:13] <dlynes_laptop> So I can have a nice stable machine
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[13:38:04] <dlynes_laptop> But, the solaris thing isn't going to happen in the short term
[13:38:10] <dlynes_laptop> It's a long term goal for me
[13:38:33] <dlynes_laptop> I'm hoping to get OpenPBX running nice and stable on Solaris on SPARC
[13:39:10] <dlynes_laptop> They're a bit more receptive to having it ported to other operating systems than asterisk
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[13:52:38] <dvorak> dlynes_laptop: are you quoting that retarded linux vs solaris asterisk benchmark?
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[13:54:09] <dlynes_laptop> dvorak: nah...the guy that's the developer for the chan_skinny channel driver is running Asterisk on a Sunfire server
[13:54:34] <dlynes_laptop> dvorak: He's mentioned how many concurrent calls he's able to get on it a few times
[13:55:17] <dvorak> I'd be shocked and amazed if it's capable of handling 4x the call volume on identical hardware in more than niche cases
[13:55:30] <dlynes_laptop> dvorak: not identical hardware
[13:55:34] <dvorak> especially considering that the solaris udp stack sucked pretty badly up until recently
[13:55:40] <dlynes_laptop> dvorak: 4xXEON vs 4xUltraSPARC
[13:55:49] <dvorak> haha, and the ultrasparc is faster?
[13:55:54] <dvorak> now I know you're pulling my leg
[13:55:58] <sickness> dvorak: so what's an udp stack that doesn't suck... :/
[13:55:59] <dvorak> are these like, p3 xeon's or something?
[13:56:02] <sickness> I'e like to know...
[13:56:25] <dvorak> sickness: the solaris one is fine now, previously just about anyone's could setup and tear down udp sockets faster, before the fire engine rewrite
[13:56:25] <dlynes_laptop> dvorak: the ultrasparcs in the sunfire servers
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[13:57:38] <dvorak> the new stack went into update 2 iirc
[14:00:13] <timeless> _syphilis_: ime every organization will choose the OS least suited for the job that best favors some poor management decision :)
[14:01:04] <richlowe> "What IBM sell them" ;)
[14:03:16] <richlowe> wish I could find this bloody RFE
[14:07:24] <richlowe> timeless: (... and this is why I have no complaints about any of the bugzilla search forms.  They actually find things)
[14:08:06] * timeless chuckles
[14:08:13] <jteo> bugzilla is like magic compared to b.o.o.
[14:08:16] <jteo> but i digress.
[14:08:24] <timeless> seriously though, i know it's good
[14:08:29] <timeless> but i'm always trying to make it better
[14:09:06] <timeless> so any feedback, criticism, desires, dreams...
[14:10:07] <richlowe> Ok, I just found this via brute force methods.
[14:10:14] <richlowe> I searched *every* meaningful word in the damn bug.
[14:10:19] <richlowe> ... and *didn't* find it.
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[14:47:26] <sickness> dvorak: interesting...
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[14:55:17] <Posixzombie> If I remeber well, I saw somewhere that there is some
[14:55:18] <Posixzombie> command line utility which shows which patches are installed in the OS.
[14:55:18] <Posixzombie> Does anybody perhaps remember ?
[14:55:33] <Cyrille> showrev -a
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[14:57:46] <Posixzombie> Cyrille, thnks
[14:58:18] <sickness> well, it shows a lot of patches, without me having installed none of them! :P
[14:58:26] <Posixzombie> I have sxcr 54 and showrev -a shows only 5 patches
[14:58:31] <sickness> maybe this ist because I'm liveupgrading since build 47?
[14:58:48] <sickness> yeah, mine shows 5 patches too!
[14:58:58] <Posixzombie> sickness, so it is ok
[14:59:01] <Posixzombie> OR ???
[14:59:03] <sickness> k
[14:59:10] <darrenm> sxcr doesn't get patched
[14:59:10] <sickness> or?
[14:59:13] <Posixzombie> maybe we both should update
[14:59:16] <Posixzombie> the pathces
[14:59:25] <sickness> this is sxcr 54
[14:59:28] <timeless> who is we
[14:59:35] <sickness> who knows...
[14:59:36] <Posixzombie> sickness, and me
[14:59:39] <darrenm> the only patches you will see on an sxcr release are for unbundled products or maybe for things like staroffice that are both bundled and unbundled
[14:59:42] <richlowe> darrenm: but showrev -p will show you stuff.
[14:59:47] <richlowe> (I assume that's what discussion is revolving around?)
[14:59:50] <Posixzombie> because we have only 5 patches (each  of us)
[15:00:16] <sickness> I'll keep liveupgrading every 2 weeks, I suppose this makes you more bleeding edge than patching production releases...
[15:00:23] <Posixzombie> are ther no patches for BUGS ?
[15:00:34] <richlowe> as darrenm said, SX:CR is not patched *at all*
[15:00:42] <richlowe> it's not a production release, it's not even really a 'release'.
[15:00:49] <Posixzombie> richlowe, ok, i thinj I understand
[15:00:50] <richlowe> you want newer bits, you upgrade to the next build.
[15:00:55] <sickness> Posixzombie: what's the point in releasing a patch for a moving target of 2 weeks? :)
[15:01:06] <Posixzombie> sickness, your right
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[15:04:41] <_syphilis_> is there any way to find the date of installation of a system?
[15:05:19] <razrX> _syphilis_: i'd say the  timestamp of /var/sadm/install/contents should be an indication
[15:05:34] <_syphilis_> won't that change whenever software is installed?
[15:06:25] <darrenm> yes it will
[15:06:47] <darrenm> The timestamp of /var/sadm/system/logs/install_log and if it exists /var/sadm/system/logs/upgrade_log
[15:07:02] <darrenm> note that neither of these are supported or stable interfaces but will probably give you what you want
[15:07:07] <_syphilis_> aha.  yep, thanks
[15:07:13] <darrenm> they might not work if you have installed via flash archives though
[15:13:01] <richlowe> I think they should.
[15:13:36] <darrenm> should but since I haven't actually checked I wasn't sure so said might not ;-)
[15:14:04] <richlowe> Hm, I don't have anything installed from archives that hasn't been upgraded since.
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[15:29:24] <axisys> which star command is preferred to copy a local dir to a nfs dir?
[15:29:33] <axisys> 1. (cd /home/someuser; star -c .) | (cd /nfs/mount/point ; start -xp)
[15:29:41] <axisys> 2. star -c -C /home/someuser . | star -xp -C /nfs/mount/point
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[15:43:37] <onbot> commit by Gerald Jelinek:  6503810 restarting svc:/system/resource-mgmt service can clobber project pool settings
[15:48:36] <sickness> is there an archive of all this commits somewhere on the web?
[15:48:46] <sickness> i'd be really curious to see them =)
[15:52:14] <_syphilis_> i hate companies that require hardware serial numbers for support stuff
[15:53:06] <sickness> _syphilis_: so all companies :P
[15:53:11] <_syphilis_> heh
[15:53:24] <_syphilis_> all i want to do is download software, and it would be useless if i didn't own the hardware anyway.
[15:53:35] <sickness> yeah...
[15:53:35] <_syphilis_> i don't suppose there's a way to extract a serial number over the scsi bus? :)
[15:54:03] <sickness> maybe for disks, I don't know for the controller :/
[15:54:48] <jbk> disks yes
[15:55:07] <_syphilis_> well, it's a raid controller so it looks like a disk..
[15:57:06] <onbot> commit by Evan Layton:  6395357 nfsv4 client paniced at nfs:nfs4_waitfor_purge_complete
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[16:01:13] <_syphilis_> hm.. apparently there is a way to find the serial # but it requires some vendor-specific scsi command
[16:02:10] <trygvis> how do I detect if a executable is in the path or not in a sh script?
[16:02:35] <hile_> you write the script such that it is...
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[16:03:02] <trygvis> ..
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[16:03:12] <Auralis> trygvis: file is your friend
[16:03:36] <trygvis> how would file help me?
[16:04:02] <Auralis> err, sorry, missread
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[16:04:18] <Auralis> i thought you wanted to figure out if the file is a exe or script
[16:04:19] <Auralis> my bad
[16:04:24] <trygvis> ah, no
[16:05:08] <Auralis> you could make a test with which
[16:05:19] <trygvis> if [ ! -x "`which mvn`" ]
[16:05:32] <trygvis> that one seems to work
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[16:10:15] <darrenm> which is a csh script and is not in general a very nice way to do this but it does often work.
[16:10:39] <hile_> i about fell over when i realised which is a csh script.
[16:10:53] <_syphilis_> IFS=: for elem in $PATH; if test -x ${elem}/progname...
[16:11:16] <hile_> I tend to use whence if i'm doing ksh scripting
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[16:18:04] <elektronkind> damnit sunsolve
[16:18:08] * elektronkind huffs
[16:18:40] <quasi> elektronkind: now what? slow as hell again?
[16:19:33] <elektronkind> good guess!
[16:20:48] <quasi> I've started using uk.sunsolve.sun.com instead
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[16:25:27] <_syphilis_> hrm, i found the serial number in dmesg, but infortrend's support site won't accept it >:(
[16:27:47] <Stric> _syphilis_: don't you have the telnet interface up?
[16:28:02] <_syphilis_> the telnet interface hangs when i try to login
[16:28:10] <Stric> oh, sneaky.
[16:28:18] <_syphilis_> it does that a lot, i don't know why.  i wanted to submit a support request about it :)
[16:28:50] <Stric> we have A08U-G1410 that doesn't..
[16:29:16] <_syphilis_> hmm, this is an A12U-G2421.  i guess it has similar firmware
[16:29:27] <Stric> and the web interface?
[16:29:41] <_syphilis_> what's the URL to it?  i was trying to find that in their docs, but no luck
[16:29:50] <Stric> http://your-ip  :)
[16:30:13] <BadKarma> hi Stric
[16:30:17] <Stric> BadKarma: hello
[16:30:37] <Stric> _syphilis_: it just starts RAIDMgr which is available standalone too
[16:30:38] * _syphilis_ tries
[16:30:39] <BadKarma> how's the weather look like over there?
[16:30:57] <_syphilis_> Stric: yeah i was trying to download the standalone one, or the SCSI-bus-management stuff.. needs a support login :(
[16:31:00] 
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[16:32:18] <BadKarma> Stric: 12C, cloudy here according to weather.com, I am too lazy to look outside the window
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[16:49:43] <_syphilis_> aha, finally made the builtin raidwatch work :)
[16:51:21] <_syphilis_> hmm, nice feature svm misses: it can show you the physical location of a failed drive :)
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[17:37:44] <_syphilis_> Stric: i don't suppose you know if it can be configured to send traps by email?  i thought i saw that in the feature list, but nothing in raidwatch..
[17:40:09] <Stric> it can
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[17:41:34] <Stric> _syphilis_: one method is to ftp to it using the most featureless ftp client you can find, login as root.. then get cfg/agent.ini, modify it and ftp back
[17:41:54] <_syphilis_> haha.  nice.  that's the supported method? :)
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[17:42:29] <Stric> _syphilis_: http://pastebin.ca/302950 <- example file
[17:42:44] <Stric> hm. don't remember if there is one or not.. it was a few years ago I did this
[17:43:50] <leal> can i "remove" a disk from a pool (raid0)?
[17:44:19] <leal> i have less than 1% in use..
[17:44:22] <Stric> (and make the system move over data to other disks), no.. planned I think
[17:44:44] <_syphilis_> yes, i think removing disks from a zpool has been intended for a while now
[17:44:47] <darrenm> leal: not yet
[17:45:20] <cmihai> leal: well, you can remove it from mirrors and can remove host spares.. but not from RAID-0
[17:45:35] <cmihai> Would be kind of pointless wouldn't you say?
[17:45:44] <Stric> cmihai: not really
[17:45:50] <_syphilis_> cmi: not pointless, it just reduces the pool capacity
[17:45:58] <leal> darrenm: i have made a mistake... i have created a pool with 2 disks and i need just "one"...
[17:46:42] <leal> cmihai: but now i have "data" on the pool... so, i just need to remove it... so, i will need to recreate it?
[17:46:57] <cmihai> Didn't you say you have less the 1% in use?
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[17:47:47] <darrenm> if you have suffcient disk space else where use zfs send to put the content of the pool into a file, then zpool destroy and zpool create it again then finally zfs recv to bring the data back into it.
[17:47:56] <darrenm> or if you prefer use tar rather than zfs send/recv
[17:48:17] <darrenm> basically unless it was a mirror you can't deattach disks from a raid vdev
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[17:48:38] <leal> darrenm: thanks!
[17:48:51] <leal> barrenm: but it will be "fixed" right?
[17:49:09] <darrenm> I beleive it will be resolved eventually but I don't know when
[17:49:27] <cmihai> Seems rather complex to me
[17:49:30] <darrenm> it is a known limitation and the ZFS team have said on zfs-discuss they want to remove that limitation where possible
[17:49:59] <darrenm> problem is it involves rewritting data and you need to do that and preserve the ZFS COW and transactional semantics
[17:50:36] <andersmo> http://www.sun.com/cgi-bin/sun/bigadmin/xpertApp.cgi?session=21_zfs&xpert=cgerhard&action=questions2#20 indicates "2007" for the zfs shrink feature.
[17:51:05] <andersmo> ...not really a very strong commitment, but at least an indication of priority: "not extremely high, but desirable"
[17:52:12] <cmihai> Sure as hell would be fun. Does any other software support something similar (Eg: Online-JFS or something)? Can't say I remember seeing that before
[17:53:49] <Stric> it's not part of regular filesystems but volume managers
[17:54:25] <leal> darrenm: Ok, the problem that i see is: " the user create a pool with some disks, to fit a demand..." But that demand change...
[17:55:20] <leal> darrenm: So, the user needs to realocate somes disks...
[17:56:57] <delewis> cmihai, JFS2 supports shrinking.
[17:57:43] <cmihai> Oh, that's part of AIX 5 right?
[17:57:50] <delewis> AIX 5.3
[17:57:54] <cmihai> Yeah, figured.
[17:58:13] <cmihai> Had 4.x here, and couldn't find anything similar with it's LVM/JFS
[17:58:36] <cmihai> Hm... yeah, I really need to upgrade all theese 4.x and 5.1's ;\
[17:58:41] <delewis> ugh, 5.1.
[17:58:46] <delewis> ditch it and go with 5.2 or 5.3 :-)
[17:58:50] <cmihai> Yeah
[17:59:06] <delewis> most shops skipped 5.1 completely
[17:59:13] <delewis> the ones I've seen, anyway.
[17:59:32] <cmihai> Yeah, that's the reason some are still 4.3
[18:00:36] <Stric> And HW support.. IBM finally started dumping some hw support in 5.x
[18:00:47] <Stric> before that, they supported just about every old piece of hardware ever released
[18:01:27] <delewis> yeah, I know of shops that had modern hardware at the time and still skipped 5.1 completely.
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[18:02:09] <elektronkind> example 824 of a person who should not touch the insides of a computer:
[18:02:10] <elektronkind> http://www.plankdoo.com/pics/why-doesnt-this-work.jpg
[18:02:19] <Stric> We have some 5.1 stuff, because 5.2+ doesn't support some HW we used to have..
[18:02:38] <Stric> (old stuff, non-profit student org)
[18:03:14] <delewis> elektronkind, nice.
[18:04:10] <delewis> "yes, PCI card pins are just painted with gold so you can cut them off"
[18:04:37] <cmihai> Bloody hell
[18:05:05] <cmihai> "Carefully cut"
[18:05:37] <cmihai> "1 slot things"... ;\. I feel sorry for the card..
[18:05:38] <delewis> I guess they think PCI cards are wireless, too, nowadays.
[18:05:56] <cmihai> I've seen a guy drill 5 holes in his motherboard
[18:06:08] <cmihai> To attach a cooler :)
[18:06:18] <cmihai> Was supposed to be 4 holes, but he miscalculated :)
[18:06:36] <delewis> he didn't by any chance hit an IC or anything did he?
[18:07:07] <cmihai> Fried the thing...
[18:07:13] <cmihai> Really nice Gigabyte Royal or something... good MB
[18:07:56] * delewis wonders why people can't treat consumer-grade systems the same way as they'd treat enterprise-grade stuff.
[18:08:07] <delewis> you just don't go drilling holes, especially, in things you don't comprehend.
[18:08:26] <cmihai> "If the parts don't fit in, remember, don't use a hammer. You did take them out after all"
[18:08:33] <cmihai> Part of IBM assembly manual, 1950's
[18:08:48] <cmihai> Think it was "for god's sake don't use a hammer" actually
[18:08:59] <PerterB> yeah, a mallet is far more delicate
[18:09:10] <delewis> jackhammer.
[18:09:32] <cmihai> Though I must admin, PC's have really stupid assembly mechanisms
[18:09:42] <cmihai> All the bleeding screwes and wires and sharpt things
[18:09:59] <cmihai> Just love Sun's "no screws, tools or cables needed" designs
[18:10:16] <delewis> that's to discourage idiots from doing stupid things to it.
[18:10:27] <cmihai> Everything just _fits_.
[18:10:32] <Stric> Dell etc uses the "no tools" philosophy too
[18:10:38] <rydis> Old Macs are nice, that way, too. Except it's really, really hard to figure out how to remove things, until you find the exact right move. :)
[18:10:43] <dho> You know
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[18:11:01] <dho> They're all like that because they're all assembled with the same equipment by the same people at Synnex in CA
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[18:11:23] <wdoumi> when you transfer a domain, does the email go to the domain's administrative contact, or the registrant?
[18:11:27] <darrenm> dho: I disagree.  Sun has been doing the no tools thing since before Dell even existed
[18:11:29] <dho> Sun and Apple and Dell
[18:11:35] <bougie> hello :)
[18:11:59] <darrenm> early Dell machines were full of screws it wasn' t until much later that they adopted the now scews to remove the cover or add PCI cards model
[18:12:10] <dho> Dell didn't always manufacture through synnex either.
[18:12:20] <dho> darrenm: I'm speaking of modern designs, all of which are so similar that even if I hadn't been into Synnex's warehouse with all the Sun and Dell and Apple boxes
[18:12:22] <delewis> uh, that's the way you did maintenance on Dells up until 3 or 4 years ago.
[18:12:25] <darrenm> and neither did Sun
[18:12:32] <delewis> the "no-screws" junk is relatively new.
[18:12:47] <dho> I'd still think they were made in the same place :)
[18:12:48] <dho> Which they are
[18:12:56] <dho> I'm not arguing the merit of who did it first
[18:13:01] <dho> I'm merely commenting on the similarity.
[18:13:15] <cmihai> heh
[18:13:22] <darrenm> but you implied that it was because of where things were assembeled that they were similar
[18:13:30] * delewis wonders when Dell will start shipping systems with the anti-gravity insertion boards..
[18:13:31] <darrenm> I'm claiming that Sun did it before Dell even existed
[18:13:35] <darrenm> I don't believe Sun was the first though
[18:14:09] <darrenm> The SparcStation machines did often need one scew undown though - the one for the cable lock - but that was often never reconnected ;-)
[18:14:52] <delewis> DEC had systems with no-screw designs, as well.
[18:14:59] <cmihai> Heh
[18:15:05] <cmihai> Yeah, they bolted the thing together
[18:15:10] <_syphilis_> after removing some large files on a UFS fs, rm returns immediately, but 'df' takes a long time to reply.  is that normal?
[18:15:11] <cmihai> And welded all the metal parts
[18:15:13] <asyd> S 14
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[18:16:36] <delewis> cmihai, not necessarily. A few of the workstations you could completely disassemble without a screwdriver.
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[18:17:16] <cmihai> delewis: only had AlphaServers and VAXen
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[18:19:32] <cmihai> Still even compared to those, most PC's are just a messy pile of screws and wires
[18:23:28] <_syphilis_> ah, 5 minutes later i can run df again :)
[18:23:31] <_syphilis_> stupid ufs.
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[18:38:25] <_syphilis_> hmm, is anyone using SAS for low-end external storage?  how does it compare to FC/SCSI?
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[18:56:21] <Stric> I've never tried to upgrade a solaris, just reinstalling.. in what way does it upgrade (w.r.t preserving local files for instance)
[18:56:52] <Stric> Most importantly; is upgrading or a new install faster?
[18:57:22] <Stric> (snv53->snv54)
[18:58:27] <tomww> upgrade means, to remove older packages before installing the new ones.. this takes some time
[18:58:36] <Error_404> I never upgrade anything, it usually just causes problems
[18:59:39] <tomww> I upgrade often, but sometimes a fresh install is better. you have to sort your own modifications out :-)
[19:00:03] <Stric> Well, I have a jumpstart setup that will do just about all the modifications..
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[19:00:18] <Stric> Trying to fix http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21151&tstart=0 which is apparently fixed for snv54..
[19:00:29] <Stric> and I want as little downtime as possible on my production system ;)
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[19:03:13] <tomww> ah, you named the keyword :-)
[19:03:22] <tomww> "as little downtime"...
[19:03:35] <tomww> then you probaly are a future candidate for lifeupgrade?
[19:03:58] <_syphilis_> heh lifeupgrade.  i could do with one of those :)
[19:04:00] <tomww> is ist right: how long the installer install is no questions, if (!)
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[19:04:18] <tomww> the OS runs with minimal downtime (1xreboot)
[19:05:28] <tomww> requirement: a bit of disk-space for a copy of the running OS, and a bit of planning where yout life data resides (which mountpoint/diskslice)
[19:06:37] <darrenm> tomww: and once we have ZFS root and live upgrade understands it there will be no prior planning needed - yeah!
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[19:08:01] * tomww would lovve to see zfs-root before yesterday :-)
[19:10:41] <tomww> darrenm: is the date known, when yesterday will be? :-)
[19:11:07] <sommerfeld> actually, zfs root has been working for a while; zfs *boot* is the hard part (zfs root w/ufs boot is something of a hack, though..)
[19:11:40] <darrenm> and even with zfs boot it doesn't imply that install and upgrade can use it
[19:11:58] <darrenm> I'm told by the ZFS team that zfs boot but without the install/upgrade support is waiting on Xen
[19:12:07] <darrenm> and is hoping to go into the build after it.
[19:12:24] <sommerfeld> as xen is doing other things to boot...
[19:12:42] <sommerfeld> .. and getting in front of xen right now is a bad idea :-)
[19:13:56] <tomww> sommerfeld,darrenm thanks :-)
[19:15:48] <tomww> Stric: if you have clean installs, upgrading official solaris-releases should work. for special installations you should need some pre-work.
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[19:16:37] <tomww> for snv/nevada/... upgrade some times work well, sometimes you have to do little hands-on. (e.g. with x86 setting keybord-layout, starting services...)
[19:16:55] <Stric> tomww: unfortunately, it's just 18G disks for root.. (fibrechannel).. and then 14x300GB for data ;)
[19:17:19] <Stric> I'll just move the disks over to another machine while I reinstall..
[19:17:33] <tomww> internal disk with 18GB or is it SAN-boot?
[19:17:49] <Stric> internal.. blade1000 machine
[19:17:49] <tomww> but, the 18GBs are mirrored?
[19:17:52] <Stric> yeah
[19:18:06] <Stric> suppose I could break mirror, make a new mirror, ...
[19:18:16] <tomww> yes, thats a way
[19:18:31] <tomww> even with, or especially *for* lifeupgrade.
[19:18:41] <Stric> live upgrade, not life :)
[19:18:44] <dunc> :)
[19:18:48] <dunc> life is funnier
[19:18:58] <tomww> *g*
[19:19:59] <tomww> ok, li[fv]upgrade copies your running installation to the other disk, upgrades while running the old
[19:20:27] <tomww> OS, then reboot the machine and see if the new release works well. then clear the old mirror-side and resync.
[19:21:13] <tomww> you could even use the detached-mirror ("preserve") and only write the mete-data for lifeupgrade without the need for copying the old OS instance
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[19:23:29] <sommerfeld> always "live upgrade"
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[19:30:25] <axisys> should i upgrade sol10u2 ro sol10u3 or just fresh install.. this is for my workstation.. so either is fine.. but i like most out of sol10u3 which upgrade may(??) not offer
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[19:32:36] <axisys> s/ro/to/
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[19:38:33] <zdzichuBG> hello
[19:39:34] <zdzichuBG> is anyone working on http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6446083  ?
[19:39:53] <asyd> you ? :)
[19:40:05] <zdzichuBG> good joke :-0
[19:40:08] <zdzichuBG> :-)
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[19:49:19] <Odin-LAP> Do you know if anyone has messed around with OpenSolaris on Apple's Intel hardware?
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[19:50:36] <Stric> Anyone know if I can flash an RSC in a E250 from 1.14 to something newer like 2.2.2? I tried the regular upgrade method, but "nothing happened"
[19:50:42] <Stric> it rebooted and is still at 1.14
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[20:03:28] <_syphilis_> hmm, that bug looks annoying
[20:07:12] <trygvis> Odin-LAP it work in parallells
[20:07:36] <Odin-LAP> trygvis: Hm?
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[20:09:35] <axisys> anyone upgraded from sol10u2 to sol10u3?
[20:10:03] <axisys> or should be reintalled to sol10u3 (rephrased for clarity??)
[20:12:06] <Stric> upgrading from one release to another is a supported method by sun
[20:14:02] <Odin-LAP> trygvis: What do you mean? :/
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[20:14:45] <zdzichuBG> Odin-LAP: you asked for Solaris on Apples
[20:15:37] <Odin-LAP> zdzichuBG: Yes. Does it work, and if so, to what extent?
[20:16:02] <Stric> and trygvis said it works in Parallels at least
[20:16:02] <zdzichuBG> Odin-LAP: and travis answered you, that it works in parallells
[20:16:50] <Odin-LAP> Hm. I see.
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[20:32:40] <Stric> Can any Sun person make http://perfwww.ireland/regression/zfs/snv_zfs.shtml available for outsiders?
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[20:35:35] <stevel> stric: not easily, no
[20:36:32] <Stric> technical or political reasons? :)
[20:37:16] <delewis> legal, I assume
[20:37:28] * stevel nodes
[20:37:29] <stevel> legal
[20:37:38] <stevel> it's marked proprietary/confidential
[20:38:11] <Stric> interesting.. since the bug report it's mentioned in just says "we noticed zfs is slower nowadays, look here.." and "this is why and it's fixed now"
[20:38:19] <Stric> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6505625
[20:38:37] <onbot> commit by jl139090:  6442804 memory leaks in drmach() modules; 6442821 System hangs during addboard (OS configure phase); 6443020 Need IKP deprobe error handling code for OPL; 6444087 SCF did not report error in case of a timeout
[20:38:55] <sommerfeld> legal is very sensitive about publication of performance numbers
[20:39:03] <Stric> oh well
[20:39:28] <sommerfeld> (given the YMMV factor, I don't blame them...)
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[20:42:54] <nrubsig> stevel: is there any ETA when the mailman archive will become operational again ? We're loosing more and more valuable information because there is some standards-related topics going on...
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[20:45:24] <stevel> nrubsig: hrm, i need to build and deploy a new mail machine - so i'm going to be restoring the mailman archives after i bringup the new machine.  that isn't going to be for at least a few weeks though
[20:45:43] <nrubsig> OUCH
[20:46:08] <nrubsig> *OUCH* *OUCH* *OUCH* *OUCH* *OUCH* *OUCH* *OUCH*
[20:47:12] <stevel> lemme try something
[20:47:15] <nrubsig> stevel: is there no way to mount remote storage via NFS for the mailman archives ?
[20:47:22] <stevel> nrubsig: that's what i'm trying to do right now
[20:47:55] <nrubsig> stevel: BTW: Do you have a QFS license somewhere ?
[20:48:09] <stevel> nope
[20:48:15] <nrubsig> ;-(
[20:48:24] <nrubsig> QFS creates inodes on demand...
[20:48:55] <sommerfeld> so does zfs
[20:49:00] * nrubsig looks for lunch in the meantime...
[20:49:11] * nrubsig wonders how he could cook http://masseffect.bioware.com/_commonext/images/me/screenshots/2006e3/masseffect_09_745x440.jpg
[20:49:52] <nrubsig> sommerfeld: yes, but the ZFS+NFS combination is currently.. uhm... tricky.
[20:50:11] <stevel> how so?
[20:51:06] <nrubsig> stevel: it may become slow and the server runs into memory problems. At least Al Hoppers machines ran into nasty problems and I've seen similar complains from Holger Berger and his people.
[20:51:07] <_syphilis_> one problem i found with nfs on zfs is that the client has to mount ever sub-fs
[20:51:14] <_syphilis_> +y
[20:51:31] <stevel> hrm. os.o relies on zfs+nfs for a lot :)
[20:51:54] <Stric> nrubsig: I'm using ZFS+NFS too and is currently trying to upgrade away from snv53 which has huge memory problems
[20:51:59] <nrubsig> stevel: sounds like you got a few hundred GB of free meory
[20:52:05] <Stric> our machine lasts about a day until 2GB is gone
[20:52:33] <nrubsig> Does anyone have suggestions how to cook http://masseffect.bioware.com/_commonext/images/me/screenshots/2006e3/masseffect_09_745x440.jpg ?
[20:53:06] * nrubsig looks for a "suckling pig" receipt
[20:53:09] <Stric> nrubsig: MS Paint and a bunch of spare time
[20:54:55] <_syphilis_> how come there hasn't been a new kernel patch for months?
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[20:55:15] <_syphilis_> did the # change again?
[20:55:49] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: Solaris or Linux ?
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[20:58:37] <stevel> nrubsig: http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/ksh93-integration-discuss/
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[21:00:36] <nrubsig> stevel: hurray! :-)
[21:00:54] <nrubsig> stevel: does it list any new emails ?
[21:01:03] <nrubsig> (if new get send ?)
[21:01:25] <stevel> no, are the new emails not being archived?
[21:01:32] <nrubsig> no
[21:01:49] <stevel> fuck
[21:01:52] <stevel> uh
[21:01:55] <stevel> i mean.
[21:01:56] <stevel> oops
[21:01:59] <estibi> hi all
[21:02:01] <nrubsig> there have been some postings today
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[21:02:44] <nrubsig> stevel: this is why I am worried since ksh93-integration contain some very intersting (and important) discussions about the XPG* standards and their shortcomings-
[21:03:07] <nrubsig> stevel: and I need the archive since I'd like make this part of my talk.
[21:03:16] <stevel> i'm looking into it now
[21:03:41] <nrubsig> ok
[21:03:50] <nrubsig> stevel: thanks! :-)
[21:05:04] <nrubsig> stevel: http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/ksh93-integration-discuss/2006-December/date.html ends before I send my x-mas tree.
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[21:15:53] <jbk> ok.. brain fair.. if sched is paging out to swap, what would that suggest?
[21:16:10] <jbk> err brain fart
[21:22:41] <Stric> Since I'm planning on upgrading to sxcr54, I guess sxcr55+ is going to be released any day now.. anyone know a more correct answer? :)
[21:26:12] <sahafeez> Stric, if you wait it will not be released, but as soon as you finish your update it will be ;)
[21:26:57] <Stric> yep. so it will be out in about 24h
[21:27:58] <quasi> I saw next week somewhere
[21:30:06] <axisys>
[21:33:01] <stevel> nrubsig: okay, the archives are archiving again - i'm not able to recover posts between when the archives went offline (dec. 23rd?) and now.  when derek gets back he can feed me the .mbox files and i can rearchive them (i hope)
[21:40:49] <nrubsig> stevel: Ok... thanks! :-)
[21:42:34] <nrubsig> stevel: http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/ksh93-integration-discuss/ does not show Lee Damico's message which just came through... ;-(
[21:42:52] <nrubsig> oh
[21:42:53] <nrubsig> wait
[21:43:06] <nrubsig> that was just a PM, not to the list... ;-(
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[21:44:46] <nrubsig> stevel: BTW: Is there a way to link http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/ksh93-integration-discuss/ to http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/ ?
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[22:08:37] <onbot> commit by ap25164:  6414392 Intel ICH5/6/7 may falsely claim to be simplex
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[22:16:55] <_syphilis_> how can i use dtrace to see the number of i/o's done to a particular file?
[22:23:01] <_syphilis_> ah: iofile.d from the dtrace toolkit
[22:23:38] <_syphilis_> except it shows most of the I/O to "<none>" :)
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[22:38:33] <_syphilis_> brendang_: nudge :)
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[22:42:24] <_syphilis_> hmm, the problem seems to be that fi_pathname is not being set (or rather it's <none>)
[22:42:35] <_syphilis_> what might cause that?  the file being on a forcedirectio fs?
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[22:49:01] <Saltsa> Is it possible to save any data, if zpool consist of two devs (not mirrored) and the other fails?
[22:49:43] <Stric> when it fails, zfs will cause a panic
[22:49:46] <Saltsa> so vdev1 and vdev2 is in the pool, then vdev2 disappears, how i can get everything possible from vdev1?
[22:49:53] <_syphilis_> Stric: still?
[22:50:01] <Stric> _syphilis_: last I heard on zfs-discuss, yes
[22:50:16] <Stric> (like earlier today or something)
[22:51:10] <Stric> not sure if you can start up an incomplete pool afterwards.. try ;)
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[22:55:24] <Petfrogg> hello
[22:55:27] <Petfrogg> i just wondering something
[22:56:07] <Petfrogg> i am about to install linux when i discovered that Linux swap and Solaris (?) got the same type in cfdisk
[22:56:43] <Petfrogg> does opensolaris use the same swap type as linux?
[22:56:51] <alanc> no
[22:56:56] <_syphilis_> solaris does not use x86 (PC) partitions
[22:57:10] <_syphilis_> it's like BSD, it uses a single PC partition and creates its own slices inside that
[22:57:17] <_syphilis_> the 'solaris' type is for that partition
[22:57:26] <Petfrogg> ok
[22:57:59] <_syphilis_> hmm, i disabled forcedirectio on that filesystem and indeed fi_pathname works now
[22:58:06] <_syphilis_> i guess that should be documented in the dtrace manual
[23:02:27] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: why does directio not work with dtrace ?
[23:02:45] <_syphilis_> it doesn't fill in fi_pathname in the fileinfo structure, just returns "<none>"
[23:07:22] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: why ?
[23:07:27] * nrubsig looks at sommerfeld
[23:07:31] <_syphilis_> how should i know? i didn't write it :P
[23:07:45] <_syphilis_> but i remounted the fs without forcedirectio and it started working
[23:07:56] <nrubsig> _syphilis_: yes, yes, that's why I am staring at sommerfeld right now...
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[23:21:37] <axisys>  /quit
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[23:25:43] <nrubsig> stevel: ping!
[23:25:48] <nrubsig> stevel: see http://opensolaris.org/sc/archives/opensolaris-discuss/
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[23:27:55] <nrubsig> stevel: there were some messages send to opensolaris-discuss@ in the last hour but they do not show up there... ;-(
[23:28:31] <_syphilis_> hmm, if a slice has more blocks but less cylinders than another, is it still usable to create an svm mirror?
[23:28:37] <_syphilis_> (i.e. how does svm determine the size?)
[23:29:10] <alanc> strange that the discuss archive page has links for the months of the closed pilot list, though it has no actual messages from then
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[23:33:43] <alanc> time for the quarterly processing of uncaught bounce messages on the os.o mail servers?   I'm getting all the october ones today
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[23:49:25] <_syphilis_> "The installgrub command is an -only program."
[23:49:27] <_syphilis_> what?
[23:50:17] <lasseoe> lonely program :)
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[23:56:17] <sommerfeld> it has no brothers or sisters.  :-)
[23:56:49] <sommerfeld> in the man pages i'm looking at, it says "x86-only"
[23:57:10] <sommerfeld> _syphilis_: where did you see this?
[23:57:29] <_syphilis_> installgrub(1M), first line
[23:59:03] <sommerfeld> what build/release/etc?
[23:59:42] <sommerfeld> (the man page elves may have fixed it already)





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