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[00:01:33] <Auralis> it should not not
[00:01:47] <UnixTitan> ah
[00:01:59] <UnixTitan> maybe I need to reconfigure shared library paths or something
[00:02:00] <dwc-> yes it should
[00:02:09] <dwc-> gmodule is part of glib, not gtk+
[00:02:14] <UnixTitan> ah
[00:02:19] <UnixTitan> well I have glib installed too
[00:02:51] <dwc-> 1.2 would be glib 1.2.x, not 2.0.x
[00:02:56] <dwc-> or rather, 2.x
[00:03:10] <UnixTitan> AH
[00:04:28] <darkcmd> time to party for new years
[00:04:30] <darkcmd> later everyone
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[00:16:16] <cneira_> anyone has setup a printer not using cups
[00:27:12] <dwc-> yes, there were many days before cups
[00:27:33] <UnixTitan> dwc-: what provides libcrypto?
[00:27:40] <dwc-> openssl
[00:27:48] <UnixTitan> I have that installed jeeze
[00:27:48] <UnixTitan> k
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[00:47:18] <iakovz> HAPPY NEW YEEEAR!!
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[02:09:02] <Kmays> Party it up for OpenSolaris in Y2007!!! http://www.nokianewyearseve.msn.com/?GT1=8917
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[02:40:19] <cneira> cups does not see lp1 or ecp0 , lpsched gives file not found for parallel port
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[03:02:21] <bob`> so is opensolaris year 2007 compliant?
[03:03:12] <Doc> nope. on the 1st of Jan the license reverts to a closed license and all non-licendes copies will stop working
[03:04:59] <cmihai> bob`: check /etc/release :)
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[03:05:25] <cmihai> M.. wait, where was the one that said 2007 :)
[03:05:34] <_syphilis_> /etc/motd
[03:05:41] <cmihai> Oh yeah :)
[03:05:57] <cmihai> grep took to long, heh
[03:06:22] <cmihai> Probably cause of the 91MB /ec
[03:06:25] <cmihai>  /etc
[03:08:14] <cmihai> That reminds me.. why in the bleeding hells is etc 117MB on this box :))
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[03:10:14] <cmihai> I guess it must be the localizations
[03:12:32] <Stric> and binaries
[03:13:03] <Stric> or at least symlinks to binaries
[03:13:08] <cmihai> And all the pr0n that comes with stock solaris
[03:13:36] <myrkraverk> there is pr0n in stock solaris? why didn't I know that?
[03:13:45] <cmihai> Most of the crap is in gconf... 66MB even... heh
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[05:21:01] <Gr|ffous> very quiet, is everyone out partying or something?
[05:21:22] <cmihai> Neh
[05:21:55] <cmihai> Probably sleeping :P
[05:22:31] <Gr|ffous> heh, something about timezones or something eh?
[05:22:51] <cmihai> More like "normal geek behaviour"
[05:28:46] <Gr|ffous> I'm waiting for my blastwave account to be created, so I may enter 2007 in geeky style - finally being able to contribute back to the community in some meaningful way
[05:29:22] <cmihai> heh
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[05:59:27] <edwardocallaghan> Happy new year
[06:02:21] <Gr|ffous> same to you edward
[06:02:37] <edwardocallaghan> ;)
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[06:03:05] <edwardocallaghan> Good night just want to send my best wishes
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[06:09:27] *** Gr|ffous changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 54 | ON build: 54 | For information on the relationship between Solaris and OpenSolaris, see: http://whacked.net/what_is_opensolaris | Happy New Year"
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[06:14:01] <Doc> hmm.. that URL needs a bit of updating
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[06:54:13] <Gr|ffous> works for me?
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[07:03:55] <sohail> hi, I can't seem to locate the defn of pthread_once using the search. Any ideas where I can find it?
[07:06:18] <sohail> ah must be here: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libpthread/
[07:06:40] <sohail> or not..
[07:06:41] <sohail> looks empty
[07:06:42] <sohail> :(
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[07:09:07] <UnixTitan> eh.. I have ggettext installed from blastwave but e is still erroring out saying autopoint isn't found..
[07:09:18] <UnixTitan> according to benr, that ggettext should have been sufficient
[07:11:12] <sohail> ok, hi question: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libc/port/threads/pthread.c#134 <-- seems to be using double checked locking which I am told is broken... any ideas why this isn't?
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[07:37:43] <richlowe> libpthread is a filter on libc.
[07:37:46] <richlowe> ... which you found already.
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[07:45:21] <sohail> so richlowe know anything about the last message?
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[08:30:48] <UnixTitan> www.ecoding.org/files/images/e17_on_solaris.png
[08:30:51] <UnixTitan> I succeeded :)
[08:36:43] <loke> UnixTitan: that's one godawful font you have in that terminal of yours
[08:37:39] <UnixTitan> yes it is.
[08:37:46] <UnixTitan> I just got into e.
[08:37:53] <UnixTitan> Havn't had time to change things to my liking
[08:43:21] <cmihai>  terminus++ ;]
[08:43:45] <UnixTitan> cmihai: you doubted my abilities though!
[08:44:24] <cmihai> Took you a while :P
[08:44:37] <UnixTitan> cmihai: I took my time mate ;)
[08:46:06] <UnixTitan> cmihai: and I kept notes so I could piece together the how-to I am currently writing :)
[08:46:29] <cmihai> Are you sure people should actually follow that? :P
[08:46:41] <cmihai> Well, it's hip to have a blog nowdays I hear
[08:48:06] <UnixTitan> cmihai: I know the e part will be correct..
[08:48:19] <UnixTitan> cmihai: I'd appreciate it if you looked over it when I finished and make sure its sane :)
[08:48:46] <cmihai> You'd want someone who actually uses E17 to take a peek
[08:49:03] <UnixTitan> no
[08:49:11] <UnixTitan> I know the e17 part is correct
[08:49:15] <UnixTitan> I meant the solaris parts :)
[08:49:18] <cmihai> :q!
[08:49:23] <cmihai> Bah
[08:49:28] <cmihai> This computer is bog slow :]
[08:49:32] <UnixTitan> I love vim :)
[08:49:39] <UnixTitan> thats what I do all me code in
[08:49:46] <cmihai> Neh, just plain old vi
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[09:20:41] <UnixTitan> font size="3">http://www.ecoding.org/files/e17_on_solaris.html
[09:20:45] <UnixTitan> hehehe
[09:20:55] <UnixTitan> that links is a how-to for e17 on solaris
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[12:01:56] <sickness> morning all and happy new year :)
[12:02:01] <asyd> hello
[12:02:03] <asyd> same :)
[12:02:08] <asyd> \_o<
[12:04:23] <estibi> :)
[12:07:57] <Error_404> ahoy
[12:15:30] <quasi> hey hey
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[12:22:11] <boyd> So i guess nearly everyone has joined us here in 2007 by now?
[12:22:50] <Error_404> unless someone happens to be IRCing at a monkey knife-fight in the middle of the pacific
[12:23:09] <boyd> Ya never know these days :)
[12:25:20] <Error_404> ugh, this is ridiculous
[12:25:42] <Error_404> glassfish *will not* work on my machine for no particular reason
[12:27:05] <andyshack> evening. can someone point me in the right direction for mounting a network drive from an array on another machine ? should i be trying to do this through the smc ?
[12:28:16] <Gr|ffous> andy, are you talking nfs here, or something else?
[12:31:10] <andyshack> ah i dont think i am no. maybe in a few weeks if i can work out how to convert a 2tb array to nfs or is it the newly launched z-something ? its an arry an a debian machine. it runs samba and connects to the d0s boxes and connects via "mounts?" on the other linux machines here. id like to atach to it with solaris.
[12:31:26] <dlynes_laptop> zfs
[12:31:31] <dlynes_laptop> It's new as of solaris 10
[12:32:00] <Error_404> sounds like what you want to do is connect the array to the solaris machine, and then share it out with NFS
[12:32:42] <boyd> I don't think there is an option to mount CIFS (Samba shares) on Soalris at this time. I'd be quite surprised if a debian-based box couldn't do NFS.
[12:33:34] <delewis> nah, you have to use smbclient or something else.
[12:33:46] <andyshack> ill boot the laptop and see how its connecting and get back to you to avoid any furhter confusion. ahh, i wasnt wanting to share through samba onto solaris. that would kind of be stupid right ?
[12:33:49] <nightswim> sharity(-light) should be able to do some mounting of smb stuff
[12:33:51] <nightswim> but it sucks
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[12:33:54] <boyd> .. and that's like command-line ftp isn't it delewis ?
[12:34:01] <delewis> boyd, yeah, ftp/sftp-style.
[12:35:10] * boyd waits for the FUSE project to integrate
[12:35:27] <sickness> fuse is user space, and user space for filesystems is painfully slow :/
[12:35:45] <delewis> sickness, the Linux implementation is actually quite close to the kernel.
[12:35:48] <sickness> but handy to restore some things and to do some experiments every once in a while...
[12:36:12] <sickness> delewis: uh, do you think that a module for opensolaris could be implemented? =)
[12:36:35] <delewis> sickness, there's a project for FUSE in Solaris, but I'm not sure how they're implementing it.
[12:37:12] * delewis just re-did his resume for the head-hunters to devour
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[12:48:53] <Gr|ffous> who do you work for at the moment delewis?
[12:49:23] <delewis> heh, no one :-)
[12:50:01] <andyshack> i find work gets in the way of so many things that id rather be doing
[12:50:14] <Gr|ffous> heh, tell me about it!
[12:50:42] <Error_404> not-working gets in the way of doing things i'd rather be doing
[12:51:03] <andyshack> yeah that too, its a bit of a catch at times
[12:51:06] <Error_404> "i want to do $foo, but that requires a hardware investment... sucks for me"
[12:52:00] <andyshack> whats $foo
[12:53:09] <andyshack> randomfoo ?
[12:54:01] <Error_404> it's a placeholder
[12:54:04] <Gr|ffous> you mean it's not Fight Overweight Orangatan...? Cause that sounded cool
[12:54:20] <Error_404> ?
[12:54:29] <Gr|ffous> sorry, just being silly.
[12:54:49] <Error_404> fighting an overweight orangutan wouldn't be much fun... he'd be all sluggish
[12:55:08] <Error_404> a couple spider monkeys with knives though...
[12:55:17] <Error_404> you gotta do that in international waters though
[12:55:20] <Gr|ffous> In my minds eye, that translated into a 'heavyweight'...
[12:55:39] <Gr|ffous> ah yes, the spider monkeys
[13:00:09] <andyshack> theres nothing wrong with ditching debian for solaris right ?
[13:01:02] <andyshack> the server in question doesnt have nfs installed and installing nfs in the kernel looks harder than installing solaris.
[13:01:49] <boyd> andyshack: The only thing's I'd hestiate about are hardware support and the work involved in getting any apps back up
[13:02:12] <boyd> Otherwise, I don't think anyone around here would be saying there's anything wrong with it
[13:02:37] <andyshack> yep, i was about to see if its raid card is supported. but it really doesnt do anything except act as a fat array. as it even has a seperate boot drive im not too concerned about nuking the data on the array.
[13:03:10] <boyd> Still, if you can't see the disk at all....
[13:03:11] <andyshack> sorry, the but was in regards to the apps running.
[13:03:32] <andyshack> yeah, that would be 10 hours of headbanging.
[13:03:34] * boyd has no more energy. Sleeps.
[13:04:02] <Error_404> andyshack: there are *very* few apps which run on linux but not solaris
[13:04:17] <Error_404> cedega is the only one that comes to mind
[13:04:30] <delewis> VMware is one, as well.
[13:04:49] <boyd> Adobe Reader
[13:04:58] <boyd> Skype
[13:05:15] <delewis> you can at least one those two in a BrandZ zone, though ;-)
[13:05:22] <delewis> s/one/run/
[13:05:27] * boyd really does sleep this time. Night all.
[13:05:33] <delewis> night, boyd
[13:05:42] <quasi> yeah, skype in brandz should work
[13:06:07] <delewis> no Skype on SPARC :-(
[13:06:07] <boyd> Does... see darren moffatt (sp?) blog.
[13:06:28] * boyd really truly goes this time. for sure.
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[13:07:37] <Doc> sleep is overrated
[13:08:36] <triplah> until you cant stop it
[13:08:39] <triplah> then it sucks
[13:12:38] <BadKarma> morning
[13:20:45] <estibi> morning BadKarma
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[13:47:47] <nprice> I can't decide between using nv54 or 11/06 on my laptop, I don't do anything serious on it but at the same time I'd like to play with the trusted extensions, still got 6/06 on it now
[13:48:35] <quasi> nprice: trusted extensions should more or less arrive in 6/06 if you upgrade with the latest patches
[13:48:46] <quasi> nprice: 11/06 has it built in
[13:50:06] <nprice> I have the free 6/06 media so I used it for an install even though I had the 11/06 ISO on my workstation (and the nv54 ISO as well) heh
[13:50:38] <nprice> was toying with a zfs-based samba domain controller
[13:50:51] <nprice> samba is amazing
[13:51:04] <nprice> hehe
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[14:04:15] <whaq> nprice, what's special about zfs based samba pdc?
[14:05:08] <whaq> I mean, I'm using a zfs based samba file server.. but not a pdc
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[14:16:29] <sickness> yeah, me too, seems to be stable and fast!
[14:17:29] <estibi> i'am using ZFS based NFS server :)
[14:18:00] <estibi> it's quite faster then linux(reiser) server
[14:21:25] <Saltsa> estibi: same machine?
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[14:27:33] <andyshack> does solaris 10 have samba installed and working by default ?
[14:27:38] <estibi> heh worse one :)
[14:28:18] <andyshack> ok that makes sense then as what ive been reading says it need recompiling etc.
[14:35:44] <estibi> now i'am preparing another machine to install nevada
[14:36:12] <estibi> i love ZFS ;)
[14:46:33] <sickness> :)
[14:54:45] <whaq> yeah solaris 10 has samba by default (/etc/sfw/smb.conf ... svcadm enable samba)
[14:55:09] <whaq> raidz is really fast for me.. onboard sata controller, 5 drives, 200MB/s scrubbing speed
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[15:05:39] <sickness> yeah I use a cheap pci32 sata1 controller with 3 320gb disks in raidz1, 50mb/s with the first of the dclarke's stress tests :)
[15:09:23] <IvanR_> sickness: Which sata controller?  I'm going to help a friend put together a fileserver for his home starting with 3x320G drives sometime soon.
[15:10:54] <LordKing> know somebody when there is a release of a bootable zfs? (so that you can install and boot on zfs)
[15:11:23] <sickness> cheapest SiI 3114 I found at a local computer fair
[15:11:50] <Auralis> LordKing: when its ready
[15:12:17] <sickness> http://www.sickness.it/zfshomeserver.jpg  http://www.sickness.it/zfshomeserver.txt  http://www.sickness.it/zfshomeserver.png
[15:12:20] <sickness> :)
[15:13:28] <sickness> phone...
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[15:23:40] <quasi> sickness: so using one disk for the os install and 3 disks for a raidz?
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[15:28:29] <ofu> i am not sure if the cooling is sufficient
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[15:38:42] <sickness> quasi: yeah, since zfs is not bootable, the final plan is to run from a live cdrom or a live usb (like the belenix one :)
[15:39:57] <sickness> ofu: I'm not too, but what I was trying with that system was simply the cheapest ass home storage system one could build with the cheapest parts at a local computer fair ;)
[15:40:04] <sickness> so no harm if it melts :P
[15:40:25] <quasi> sickness: okay, I just chose volume manager to give me a bit of redundancy on my os
[15:40:54] <delewis> http://static.flickr.com/122/297718560_c78aed01b3_o.jpg <--- my ZFS funbox.
[15:40:59] * delewis ducks
[15:41:34] <sickness> quasi: yeah, better choice than mine, I simply do an ufsdump, poor man's backup, but still useful since I don't modify anything on root anyway =)
[15:41:57] <sickness> delewis: omg =) how much watts? =)
[15:42:06] <sickness> delewis: anyway, so cool :P
[15:42:14] <quasi> delewis: pretty nice
[15:42:54] <delewis> sickness, 1Kw on the E4500, and 650W on the A5200
[15:43:06] <delewis> I'm drawing way over 30 amps :-(
[15:43:14] <delewis> just between those two.
[15:43:26] <delewis> I blow the breaker about once every two weeks or so
[15:43:58] <sickness> delewis: quite power hungry... :/
[15:44:20] <delewis> despite the age of the E4500, it can still blow my SB1000 away on some multi-threaded workloads.
[15:44:33] <delewis> actually, on most.
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[15:46:26] <quasi> delewis: if you've got enough cpus in there, that really shouldn't be a surprise
[15:46:57] <delewis> yeah, and the backplane on the E4500 is no slouch, either.
[15:47:34] <quasi> http://shor.ter.dk/597008451 - 14proc 14G mem model for $1000
[15:47:43] <delewis> 100MHz Gigaplane can do 3.2GB/s peak which is about what XIO does.
[15:47:59] <delewis> though, XIO extends a lot further than Gigaplane does.
[15:48:02] <sickness> delewis: which solaris version does it run? an sxcr?
[15:48:14] <delewis> sickness, Solaris 10. It's also my Oracle and DB2 funbox.
[15:49:27] <delewis> XIO on an SGI Octane, Origin, or Onyx2 extends all the way to the peripheral level :-(
[15:49:42] <delewis> whereas Gigaplane is just a CPU/IO board interconnect
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[15:51:42] <pikapika> hello
[15:51:50] <estibi> hi pikapika
[15:52:04] <pikapika> hi estibi
[15:53:05] <delewis> heh, read the other day Pixar used to have a 250 E4500 renderfarm.
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[16:10:34] <hspaans> g'day to all and happy 2007
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[16:15:33] <sdrom> hello , everyone . Can anybody help noob?
[16:16:04] <hspaans> ask the question and see
[16:16:51] <sdrom> I need to set up PATH , and have :
[16:16:52] <sdrom> cat /etc/profile | grep PATH
[16:16:52] <sdrom> PATH=$PATH:/opt/csw/bin:
[16:16:52] <sdrom> export LOGNAME PATH
[16:16:52] <sdrom> , but looks like it does not help much ...
[16:18:11] <sdrom> and added PATH to /etc/default/login as well (using Build #54 ) ...
[16:18:18] <hspaans> you logged in again? or reread you profiles?
[16:18:41] <sdrom> You , I rebooted the system
[16:19:11] <sdrom> Yes , I rebooted the system
[16:19:39] <sdrom> should I check log ?
[16:20:41] <hspaans> which shell are you using?
[16:20:44] <estibi> sdrom: you can edit your ${HOME} shell profile
[16:22:18] <sdrom> default shell , I guess  , how to determine it ? :)
[16:23:01] <estibi> ps
[16:23:07] <estibi> or
[16:23:12] <delewis> ps -ef | grep $$
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[16:23:26] <sdrom> it says sh
[16:23:40] <estibi> grep your_login /etc/passwd
[16:24:17] <sdrom> sh ...
[16:24:53] <estibi> i can't help you, i use bash ;)
[16:25:57] <hspaans> sdrom: you're new to solaris or unix?
[16:26:29] <sdrom> if I run bash not much happends  , or shall I chage the default shell as well ?
[16:27:17] <estibi> bash is much more usefull then simple sh
[16:27:23] <sdrom> I use linux for some time , but not expirienced in enviroment variables initialization
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[16:27:52] <delewis> sdrom, edit your ~/.profile.
[16:28:11] <delewis> and traditionally, you put your additions to your PATH *after* $PATH.
[16:28:31] <delewis> that is, unless you have some technical requisite for having one of the commands overloaded or something.
[16:29:10] <delewis> and if you want a decent interactive shell, try ksh (in emacs editing mode if you're a beginner) or bash.
[16:29:35] <delewis>  /bin/sh lacks a history and editing capabilities.
[16:30:09] <_syphilis_> delewis: man fc
[16:30:10] <_syphilis_> :-)
[16:30:19] <delewis> is fc a built-in in /bin/sh?
[16:30:38] <delewis> hmm, guess so.
[16:30:39] <sdrom> I do use bash ) , no need to prove its advantages , but what i missed is how to make system - wide PATH changes
[16:30:50] <delewis> the *real* Bourne shell did not have that
[16:30:53] <delewis> that was a csh addition.
[16:32:55] <_syphilis_> no, it's not a builtin, but the shell can run the command
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[16:38:15] <darkcmd> delewis: can I have your zfs machine ;)
[16:39:01] <delewis> if you can pick it up, you can have it.
[16:39:30] <darkcmd> how much does it weigh?
[16:40:03] <delewis> E4500+A5200 weighs close to 400Lbs
[16:40:22] <darkcmd> oh :)
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[16:41:15] <BadKarma> ok I will show up with a lift in your place delewis can I still have it?
[16:41:32] <delewis> BadKarma, no lifts :-)
[16:42:03] <darkcmd> how much does it have to lift off the ground
[16:42:19] <darkcmd> I may be able to pick it up about an inch, then it'll have to go back down
[16:42:29] <hspaans> just slide over the ground ;-)
[16:42:40] <delewis> hspaans, notice the carpet.
[16:42:40] <BadKarma> oh so'll conside it as a cheat attempt I see
[16:42:51] <delewis> you can't budge it an inch on that carpet.
[16:43:05] <delewis> the A5200, you sort of can, but not the E4500.
[16:43:12] <BadKarma> how about....well, sending the KingKong to do a job for me?
[16:43:14] <delewis> and especially not with the A5200 on top of the E4500
[16:43:38] <hspaans> delewis: ow nice so the machien isn't going to be damaged ;-)
[16:43:42] <delewis> BadKarma, nice try :-)
[16:43:58] <BadKarma> ta :)
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[16:44:45] <GoodKarma> ha!
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[16:44:50] <delewis> http://www.flickr.com/photos/85894987@N00/sets/72157594376806501/
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[16:45:51] <GoodKarma> ok, where is you data centre, anyway?
[16:46:19] <delewis> my home office :-)
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[16:46:52] <ofu> i wish electricity was as cheap in europe as it is in the states
[16:47:19] <delewis> ofu, it's not cheap everywhere in the States, even.
[16:47:51] <hspaans> this reminds me that some A5200's need to be taken out of the racks :(
[16:47:51] <delewis> fortunately, I'm in one of the states with the lowest $/Kwhr rating.
[16:48:32] <hspaans> what is not cheap?
[16:48:33] <ofu> I have to pay 14 Eurocents/kWh or so
[16:49:04] <delewis> I pay roughly $0.06/kWh
[16:49:42] <hspaans> over here about 6.5 Eurocent/kWh
[16:50:22] <hspaans> but then comes to goverment and raises that a lot to about 20 Eurocent/kWh or so
[16:50:30] <hspaans> s/to/the
[16:50:32] <ofu> oh, electricity even got more expensive today... 18.46 cent including 19% tax
[16:50:33] <delewis> 	0.06 U.S. dollars = 0.0455580866 Euros
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[16:51:28] <quasi> cheap
[16:52:03] * quasi is paying something like $.40 because of all the bloody taxes
[16:52:41] <hspaans> give the goverment a couple of years and we are even :(
[16:54:04] <Stric> 0.097EUR / US$0.12  including taxes here
[16:54:14] <hspaans> quasi: your from Denmark right?
[16:54:23] <Stric> (.se)
[16:55:53] <hspaans> owkee no .se for me
[16:57:01] <Stric> hspaans: it's lower than your 0.2eur ;)
[16:58:00] <sniffy> I have no idea what we pay in Spain.
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[16:58:25] <sniffy> Although I know I pay roughly 20-30eur / month for the flat.
[16:59:41] <hspaans> Stric: ow wait yes including taxes, where do I sign in? ;-)
[17:01:27] <Stric> sniffy: I turned my web browser to the local power company and aimed at the price list ;)
[17:02:04] <sniffy> http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10006575.shtml
[17:02:11] <sniffy> Denmark has the highest prices though.
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[17:04:28] * hspaans hopes the new goverment overhere is nicer to the world and not hungry for power and money, but that isn't going happen I think
[17:06:16] <quasi> hspaans: yep, .dk
[17:06:53] <quasi> hspaans: I've left .nl - lousy place ;)
[17:07:32] <hspaans> your correct its getting bad overhere
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[17:07:57] <hspaans> but where else to go?
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[17:08:23] <quasi> somewhere above sea level ;)
[17:08:52] <hspaans> I'm near the coast, but above sea level ;-)
[17:08:54] <quasi> .dk is about the same size but only 1/3 as many people
[17:09:46] <sniffy> Well .es is nice.
[17:10:23] <quasi> sniffy: yeah, I'd be tempted if I could find a decent job there
[17:10:42] <hspaans> quasi: how are the jobs in .dk?
[17:10:57] <sniffy> quasi, Madrid shouldn't be that hard. But speaking Spanish helps.
[17:11:14] <quasi> hspaans: pretty good I hope - I'm currently looking
[17:11:33] <quasi> hspaans: but solaris is not in as wide use as I'd wish
[17:12:10] <hspaans> no? :( btw seen Johantan's pink map?
[17:12:45] <quasi> yeah, I have
[17:13:19] <hspaans> maybe japan is an option ;-)
[17:13:38] <GoodKarma> I am so glad the holidays are over meh
[17:14:12] <quasi> the really big users of solaris have their systems outsourced to ibm (and working on solaris for ibm is just _wrong_ ;)
[17:15:05] <Stric> quasi: Suns largest customer in .se was HP for a while, when HP customers said "we've had hppa and you stopped doing that, give us SOMETHING that will work for a long time" ;)
[17:15:24] <hspaans> the same is going on in .nl where the outsource to eds and/or ibm
[17:15:39] <Stric> so HP bought stuff from Sun and sold it on to their customers
[17:17:24] <hspaans> sad story really
[17:18:01] <quasi> very
[17:18:53] * mustang used to do solaris for HP. that wasn't super pleasant.
[17:19:52] <quasi> ditto for doing solaris at ibm - not the best career move ;)
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[17:27:51] <hspaans> sdrom: does it work?
[17:28:45] <sdrom> it does , but looks like I found a bug )
[17:28:53] <sdrom> at least hope so )
[17:29:12] <sdrom> can You help to check it ?
[17:29:29] <hspaans> and what is the bug?
[17:29:53] <sdrom> ~.profile overrides /etc/profile PATH settings
[17:30:14] <sdrom> i.e. default .profile , generated when user created
[17:31:46] <hspaans> and what does that on contains? and which shell?
[17:32:28] <sdrom> one moment ..
[17:36:58] <hspaans> Solaris 10 with ksh doesn't do you describe so I'm wondering ;-)
[17:39:19] <sdrom> cat You cat your .profile ?
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[17:39:54] <hspaans> PATH=${PATH}:/usr/sfw/bin and so on
[17:40:22] <sdrom> ok , I have build #54 , that is probably version specific
[17:40:31] <estibi> sdrom: your home settings always override global settings
[17:40:56] <sdrom> it's ok , but that was the settings I never touched
[17:41:09] <sdrom> i.e. it was default .profile file
[17:41:28] <sdrom> I expect it will not override much
[17:41:42] <hspaans> sdrom: maybe you should post what you have change and into what
[17:42:12] <sdrom> where should I post that ?
[17:42:24] <sdrom> should i post it here ? )
[17:43:21] <sdrom> default >> PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/etc:
[17:43:21] <sdrom> changed << PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/etc:$PATH
[17:43:42] <delewis> sdrom, stop putting $PATH at the end
[17:43:45] <delewis> especially behind /usr/ucb
[17:43:48] <_syphilis_> ick, don't put /usr/ucb in your path
[17:44:00] <hspaans> and where did you change that?
[17:44:13] <sdrom> ~/.profile
[17:44:31] <estibi> sdrom: PATH=${PATH}:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/etc
[17:44:55] <sdrom> ok , I will change it ... :)
[17:46:15] <hspaans> damn
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[17:47:13] * hspaans sees that most spammers survived it into 2007
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[17:48:55] <quasi> hspaans: with the quite massive increase in spam over the last month or two, I would have been surprised if that changed
[17:50:50] <hspaans> they have slowed down to give mailadmins time to buy new hardware
[17:51:50] <sickness> lol
[17:51:58] <quasi> admittedly, it's been slow the last week or so, but that's about it
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[17:54:16] <hspaans> as long the spamtraps don't overflow there isn't a real problem or is it? ;-)
[17:54:45] <pikapika> hello
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[18:08:14] <andyshack_> greets.
[18:08:35] <andyshack_> can someone hit me with the command to show my routes ?
[18:08:48] <andyshack_> netstat -somflags ?
[18:10:50] <andyshack_> great party stric, what about the wonderful syntax to nuke all my network settings so i can re-enter it all on reboot ?
[18:11:31] <quasi> andyshack_: sysunconfig
[18:11:44] <andyshack_> cheers
[18:12:16] <quasi> sys-unconfig
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[18:12:42] <andyshack_> perfect.
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[18:14:04] <Stric> read the man page what it does
[18:14:20] <andyshack> too late :)
[18:14:30] <Stric> well, you can read now what happened :)
[18:16:54] <andyshack> mmm im not sure what sort of a prompt " {2} ok " is. it doesnt like reboot or shutdown. how can i restart from there ?
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[18:17:18] <rydis> Try reset. It's an OBP prompt.
[18:17:23] <andyshack> ok thanks
[18:17:29] <andyshack> perfect
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[18:34:33] <andyshack> nice. i can now see the internets!!
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[18:52:59] <pikapika> say him hello for me andyshack :)
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[19:09:53] <nrubsig> Can anyone point me to any OpenSolaris-related talk abstract, please ? Like the one used on the sfbay user meetings/conferences ?
[19:10:24] <quasi> nrubsig: opensolaris.org ... ;)
[19:10:46] <nrubsig> quasi: URL, please
[19:11:27] <quasi> http://opensolaris.org ;)
[19:11:47] <quasi> nrubsig: or just http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/
[19:11:48] <nrubsig> quasi: seriously... I have LESS than 30mins and I am running out of time.
[19:13:12] <nrubsig> uhm
[19:13:20] <nrubsig> there are no abstracts
[19:13:50] <quasi> nrubsig: http://lopsa.org/files/Open%20Solaris%20Intro%20-%20Colug.pdf seems to be the most recent one there
[19:14:46] <nrubsig> heavens
[19:15:01] <nrubsig> quasi: these are all talks, no abstracts.
[19:16:04] <quasi> ah
[19:16:21] <nrubsig> 23mins
[19:16:24] <nrubsig> *panic*
[19:17:20] <quasi> nrubsig: you might be able to borrow something off the last lisa conferences talk descriptions
[19:17:36] <nrubsig> quasi: URL ?
[19:18:22] <quasi> http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/
[19:19:27] <nrubsig> eh
[19:19:30] <nrubsig> abstracts ?
[19:19:32] <nrubsig> where ?
[19:19:45] <quasi> http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/training/training.html
[19:20:02] <quasi> although there's mostly training
[19:24:29] * hspaans thinks he needs to take a look at the code for caches some gnome applications are creating, but not seem to clean up
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[19:26:38] <andyshack> should registration "storing system information" really be taking longer than 30 mins ?
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[19:27:31] <quasi> andyshack: no
[19:29:04] <andyshack> just trying to find info on it atm
[19:29:59] <andyshack> net works on it, why is it being retarded ? its a sparc running solaris 10.
[19:30:42] <andyshack> i even said nice things to it and gave it a pat
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[19:32:00] <hspaans> your doing the commandline registration?
[19:32:06] <andyshack> nah
[19:32:15] <andyshack> i was going to try that after i manage to close it
[19:32:25] <andyshack> i just clicked the gui
[19:32:59] <hspaans> is it 6/06 or 11/06?
[19:33:26] <andyshack> 11
[19:34:27] <quasi> I've had problems with a limited install 11/06 and registering as well
[19:35:50] <delewis> +
[19:36:17] <hspaans> me with 6/06, but not with 11/06. hmmm
[19:36:22] <delewis> woops, was trying to straighten up the keyboard rest on my Type 6.
[19:36:31] <andyshack> well ive got it rebooting, ill try from the command line this time.
[19:37:03] <quasi> andyshack: my problem was on the commandline ;)
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[19:42:58] <andyshack> ah crap
[19:43:52] <andyshack> i assumed that sparcs never needed throwing out the window, which is why they're so fsucking heavy.
[19:43:53] <quasi> well, give it a shot - it might work anyway ... and is usually simpler to debug than the gui thing
[19:49:52] <dlynes_laptop> andyshack: Btw, all the documentation for Solaris is available for free download from Sun's website
[19:50:18] <dlynes_laptop> andyshack: including all the documentation for obp
[19:50:43] <hspaans> I have a complaint about the documentation. its to correct and to huge
[19:51:20] * dlynes_laptop laughs.
[19:51:23] <dlynes_laptop> that's a problem?
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[19:51:34] <dlynes_laptop> I only wish Linux documentation was like that :)
[19:51:48] <MikeTLive> i want to leave all my machines running the 6 6 6 release.
[19:52:04] <Auralis> yeah
[19:52:05] <hspaans> dlynes_laptop: you see my problem? ;-)
[19:52:27] <hspaans> I'm not googling anymore to get things going hopefully
[19:52:28] <MikeTLive> i labeled the DVDs and CDs with big red 666
[19:53:51] <dlynes_laptop> hspaans: before i got started on linux and solaris, I used to use OS/2
[19:54:05] <dlynes_laptop> hspaans: IBM's documentation for OS/2 was quite excellent, too
[19:54:15] <dlynes_laptop> hspaans: their redbooks series was great
[19:54:52] <MikeTLive> the AT&T 3B2 vi  flip book was the best.
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[19:55:38] <hspaans> IBM is working luckily hard on documentation, but some departments are to easy with it like the Tivoli-family :(
[19:56:00] <dlynes_laptop> tivoli's a company IBM bought up...they didn't raise it :)
[19:56:08] <hspaans> but documentation makes the different
[19:56:27] <dlynes_laptop> so it's not really a true ibm company.....yet
[19:56:56] <dlynes_laptop> that company is weird though
[19:57:20] <hspaans> but netview isn't
[19:57:32] <dlynes_laptop> when they were trying to sell os/2, 90% of the company didn't even know os/2 existed; the other 10% of the company knew it existed, but didn't want to support it
[19:58:01] <hspaans> ieks and os/2 wasn't that bad
[19:58:08] <dlynes_laptop> ieks?
[19:59:02] <hspaans> 90% of your company doesn't know what one of your prime horses is, is a real ieks
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[20:41:16] <dlynes_laptop> ah
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[20:55:02] <nrubsig> Is anyone from the CAB here ?
[20:56:55] <nrubsig> Can anyone go to steleman's cube and check whether he is stll alive, please ?
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[21:30:17] <WildPikachu> solaris rocks!
[21:30:17] <WildPikachu> :)
[21:30:26] <WildPikachu> btw ... I was just reading over the license agreement, is it legal for me to copy opensolaris and give it to my friends? ... as far as I can see it is
[21:30:31] <Auralis> <Teal'C>Indeed</Teal'C>
[21:31:10] <Auralis> WildPikachu: yes, just not the solaris and solaris express versions from sun
[21:32:01] <estibi> :)
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[21:33:15] <WildPikachu> ah ... so the opensolaris community release I can?  ... what about all those variations like belinix, martux ... etc? those ok to distribute aswell?
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[21:33:43] <Auralis> those are ok as well
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[21:34:00] <Auralis> the sun stuff is different because of export restircting by the us goverment
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[21:34:57] <hspaans> Auralis: what is the difference then between SX and SXCR?
[21:35:03] <cneira> im getting lp (driver not attached) i updated ecpp but it does not work
[21:35:18] <Auralis> CR is a tick newer and less tested
[21:35:59] <hspaans> and SXCR is not export restricted?
[21:36:48] <Auralis> it is
[21:37:07] <Auralis> opensolaris itself is not
[21:37:27] <Odin-LAP> Why not?
[21:37:32] <hspaans> owkee I understood differently from the conversation and that made me wonder ;-)
[21:37:47] <Auralis> belenix, nexenta, martux etc are build from opensolaris without the parts tht are restrcted
[21:38:02] <Odin-LAP> Auralis: What parts are restricted?
[21:38:26] <hspaans> Odin-LAP: because the law applies to binary and not to source if I'm not mistaken (at least that was explained by Sun.nl)
[21:38:34] <Auralis> the CR is just a basis from which people can build their own distros or help in kickstart a opensolaris install
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[21:39:06] <Odin-LAP> hspaans: Which source, specifically?
[21:40:05] <hspaans> encryption stuff for example, but I'm not a lawyer just an insane Sun puppet ;-)
[21:41:16] <Odin-LAP> hspaans: There were changes in the crypto export laws a few years back, that made it halfway sane...
[21:44:11] <hspaans> only halfway? *g*
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[21:48:41] <hspaans> btw someone here from documentation? how long does it take before documentation is updated?
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[22:01:04] <estibi> i would like to buy a PCI SATA controller, which one is full supported under OS ?
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