[00:00:07] <estibi> ok, it works :)
[00:00:38] <estibi> i have just created zfs pool on that partition ;)
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[00:40:38] <estibi> good bye
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[01:45:20] <jbalint> does a sata port multiple still present multiple drives to the os?
[01:45:25] <jbalint> multiplier
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[01:47:50] <Stric> I'm guessing yes.. otherwise there'd be much more electronics in the PM
[01:48:06] <Stric> to virtualize disks.. and would it be stripe or concat.. or..
[01:48:27] <jbalint> yeah, i thought the same thing, but have no idea.
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[02:28:48] <jbalint> what sas/sata chip is used in the ultra 45?
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[02:44:09] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[02:44:18] <edwardocallaghan> Who's around?
[02:44:52] <FireflyST> me
[02:44:58] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[02:45:01] <FireflyST> hi
[02:45:12] <edwardocallaghan> You into your SPARC's ?
[02:45:39] <edwardocallaghan> Was wondering if boyd and the regulars are alive and well here?
[02:45:54] <edwardocallaghan> Turned on my new Blade 2000
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[02:46:03] <edwardocallaghan> Mad boot time !
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[02:49:43] <richlowe> that'll be the diags.
[02:51:39] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry?
[02:51:56] <Auralis> it should boot up from cold in about 2 mins tops
[02:52:45] <edwardocallaghan> I was wondring two main things about it
[02:53:29] <richlowe> if it's taking a long, long time diag-switch? is probably true.
[02:53:32] <edwardocallaghan> One , OpenBoot says it's a Blade 1000 ? and Two, most of the time it takes to boot is for OpenBoot ???
[02:53:36] <richlowe> (and diag-level is probably max, too)
[02:53:49] <edwardocallaghan> What's that sorry?
[02:53:51] <Auralis> thats because the 2000 is a 1000
[02:53:56] <richlowe> "most of the time it takes to boot is for openboot" pretty much says yeah, the diag stuff is enabled.
[02:54:29] <edwardocallaghan> Ture but I thought it has a upgraded PROM for the two III+
[02:54:50] <edwardocallaghan> diag what's that stand for?
[02:55:18] <edwardocallaghan> Could you please teach me a little about it so I know some thing to read up with?
[02:55:28] <edwardocallaghan> *Thanks
[02:55:51] <Auralis> grab the service manual for the machine from docs.sun.com
[02:55:54] <richlowe> and for what it's worth, the banner doesn't necessary mean so much, there's a few systems where the name changes depending on the value of mfg-options.
[02:56:11] <richlowe> U80 v. 420 (I think?) and others.
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[02:56:32] <Auralis> 1000/2000 v 280r
[02:56:40] <Auralis> u60 v 220r
[02:58:45] <edwardocallaghan> Yea I am getting it now but could you please explain diags ?
[02:59:02] <edwardocallaghan> How did you find out about it/is it a software switch ?
[02:59:04] <Auralis> hardware diagnosis peformed by the obp
[02:59:09] <edwardocallaghan> Or a jumper?
[02:59:16] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[02:59:28] <Auralis> printenv from the obp look for diag-level
[02:59:30] <Auralis> set it to min
[02:59:35] <Auralis> then reset-all
[03:00:29] <edwardocallaghan> I am sorry I am very new to these advanced PROM's
[03:00:39] <edwardocallaghan> I am still learning my SGI O2's
[03:00:51] <Auralis> thats why i pointed you to the service manual, it explains all that
[03:01:06] <edwardocallaghan> I'm 19 so I don't have all the years of stuff you guys have ;)
[03:01:22] <edwardocallaghan> I know I am reading it now
[03:01:35] <Auralis> good, then you will be enlightend in no time
[03:02:27] <edwardocallaghan> Don't know about that, my reading is very slow
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[03:04:19] <edwardocallaghan> dyslexic (School could not teach)
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[03:06:35] <edwardocallaghan> Why is it now in PDF :'(
[03:07:30] <edwardocallaghan> Ah no it is
[03:07:35] <edwardocallaghan> Good
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[03:20:16] <edwardocallaghan> You know when you first setup Solaris it talks about sendmail using a short name, what is it on about?
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[03:21:19] <jamesd> send mail expects  the dns server to know about the box.
[03:22:01] <boyd> It's more that it wants to get a fully.qualified.name for this box. You can just put one in the /etc/hosts file as an alias for this box to shut it up.
[03:26:35] <FireflyST> another question, how does one add the creator3d graphics drivers into a system?
[03:26:40] <edwardocallaghan> How about truning the service off?
[03:26:55] <edwardocallaghan> system unconfig
[03:27:04] <edwardocallaghan> Don't know the command for it
[03:27:44] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: You mean to turn off sendmail?
[03:28:21] <FireflyST> I don't think sys-unconfig will help me add the graphics drivers
[03:28:34] <boyd> Err.. no.
[03:28:56] <FireflyST> my pkgadd attempts are failing
[03:29:19] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and oh, I did not think you mean really adding the kernel mods
[03:31:32] <edwardocallaghan> I tell you, you guys are great ! All the regulars like boyd ect... I am learning loads of Solaris/OpenSolaris and moving in between Unix and Linux
[03:31:43] <edwardocallaghan> My Unix before was BSD
[03:31:52] <boyd> :)
[03:32:14] <edwardocallaghan> However I am still a little in love with NetBSD I must admit
[03:32:49] <gdamore> NetBSD does have a certain elegance about it, but I still vastly prefer Solaris for platforms that can run it.
[03:32:58] <FireflyST> is there an easy method of adding packages from the Solaris distribution once the system has been installed?
[03:33:19] <boyd> pkgadd is the was to go... it may not meet your definition of easy...
[03:33:21] <edwardocallaghan> I have plans to do a SCSA soon but I think it will take half a year until I am ready
[03:33:22] <gdamore> if you know the packages you want, just pkgadd them from the Product directory on the distribution media
[03:33:41] <FireflyST> AHA
[03:33:47] <FireflyST> I knew I was in the wrong dir
[03:34:05] <gdamore> heh.  I heard "SCSA" and thought "Sun Common SCSI Architecture" ... I don't think that's what you meant. :-)
[03:34:08] <edwardocallaghan> pkg-add is the blastware version I think
[03:34:09] <boyd> cd to the Product dir, then pkgadd -d . pkgname
[03:34:33] <gdamore> pkgadd is stock Sun command.  pkg-get is blastware
[03:34:36] <FireflyST> where is the Product dir?
[03:34:51] <edwardocallaghan> No, I mean Sun Certified System Administrator
[03:34:58] <boyd> FireflyST: Something like Solaris_11/Product?
[03:35:01] <gdamore> edwardo: yeah, i figured that out.
[03:35:07] <edwardocallaghan> But you got ticks for Sun ;)
[03:35:27] <FireflyST> what slice am I supposed to be mounting on the CD?
[03:35:29] <gdamore> SCSA is actually the framework used by SCSI drivers in Solaris. :-)
[03:36:16] <edwardocallaghan> That will me in my new Blade 2000 next to me :D
[03:36:39] <boyd> FireflyST: s0
[03:36:58] <edwardocallaghan> Oh I can't wait to get this darling to do some work ;)
[03:37:02] <FireflyST> can you give me the proper mount command please
[03:37:03] <gdamore> FireflyST: slice 0 I think.  volmgt should just mount it for you automatically, though. :-)
[03:37:15] <FireflyST> I'm in singleuser mode
[03:37:52] <gdamore> if you're using x86, there is only one slice.  the slices were only used for sparc, to provide alternate boot images for different architectures (sun4m, sun4d, etc.)  they are all defunct now except sun4u, though
[03:38:17] <FireflyST> uhh
[03:38:49] <FireflyST> why would I be trying to install creator3d drivers on an x86?
[03:38:52] <gdamore> oh, now i remember, you said creator ... so you mean sun4u. :-)  its either slice 0 or slice 2.  don't remember which
[03:39:58] <gdamore> i think the creator packages name names that start with SUNWffb -- so look for those.
[03:41:00] <FireflyST> right they do
[03:41:26] <boyd> Well, I'm off.. I can only tie up this dial-up line for so long. Happy New Year, all.
[03:41:42] <FireflyST> happy new york, boyd
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[03:42:18] <boyd> If only I was flying to new york :) That's for my flight attendant friend :)
[03:42:35] <FireflyST> q\\\
[03:42:42] <FireflyST> are the product DVDs UFS?
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[03:43:04] <gdamore> i'm pretty sure they're straight ISOs.
[03:43:38] <gdamore> i.e. "hsfs" :-)
[03:44:46] <FireflyST> got it
[03:44:52] <FireflyST> that was the key
[03:45:35] <gdamore> family time.  later all.  happy new year. :-)
[03:45:40] <FireflyST> later man
[03:48:54] <edwardocallaghan> See you later boyd, take care
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[03:56:37] <edwardocallaghan> How do you run glxgears on Solaris ?
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[03:58:34] <richlowe> I think it's delivered by the Xorg bits, so you won't have it on sparc.
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[04:01:09] <edwardocallaghan> Oh really?
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[04:01:32] <edwardocallaghan> Its OpenGL so are you sure its just not a app
[04:01:53] <steleman> you have to compile it yourse;f
[04:01:56] <kimc> good evening
[04:02:09] <pogma> if you build MesaDemos, I think you'll get glxgears
[04:02:26] <edwardocallaghan> Right so these diag switches are POST
[04:02:41] <edwardocallaghan> So I can install it off blast where
[04:02:47] <edwardocallaghan> *ware
[04:02:55] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry about my spelling
[04:03:22] <edwardocallaghan> Good evening
[04:03:39] <kimc> whats the topic ?
[04:03:48] <edwardocallaghan> Right about these diag switches
[04:04:07] <edwardocallaghan> Is it in any way bad to have it off?
[04:04:14] <kimc> i don't know much about diag switches
[04:05:44] <kimc> aren't there any docs available on the net describing the diag switches ?
[04:05:59] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, diags should only be on if you need them to be on.
[04:06:08] <delewis> on much larger systems, boot-up times are ridiculous with them on.
[04:06:33] <edwardocallaghan> Hi delewis
[04:06:44] <edwardocallaghan> How long? (How are you?)
[04:07:05] <edwardocallaghan> When do you need them on?
[04:07:35] <edwardocallaghan> I am also reading the doc as we speak
[04:07:40] <mustang> when you suspect something needs diagnosis ...
[04:09:36] <kimc> nice..
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[04:12:51] <edwardocallaghan> ok set-defaults
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[04:13:09] <edwardocallaghan> What are the defaults ?
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[04:13:48] <edwardocallaghan> ok setenv diag-switch? false
[04:14:05] <edwardocallaghan> Is that default ?
[04:16:10] <edwardocallaghan> Should I type: ok setenv diag-switch? false
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[04:18:19] <FireflyST> ahhh this is nice
[04:18:20] <kimc_> cu all es gn -kim
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[04:18:44] <FireflyST> cretor3d is so much faster than the internal video on the Ultra 10
[04:18:58] <richlowe> so's molasses.
[04:19:07] * steleman snorts
[04:19:11] <FireflyST> lol
[04:22:18] <mustang> edwardocallaghan: yup.
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[04:24:00] <edwardocallaghan> Yes to witch question
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[04:24:45] <mustang> <edwardocallaghan> Should I type: ok setenv diag-switch? false
[04:25:25] <edwardocallaghan> OK
[04:25:28] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[04:26:07] <edwardocallaghan> I have a non Sun USB keyboard do I just press Ctrl D ?
[04:26:17] <edwardocallaghan> No that will not work??? /// :p
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[04:26:53] <edwardocallaghan> double press the power button ?
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[04:27:17] <mustang> in order to do what ?
[04:28:47] <edwardocallaghan> Get: ok
[04:28:51] <edwardocallaghan> The PROM
[04:28:56] <edwardocallaghan> STOP+D
[04:29:02] <edwardocallaghan> I think...
[04:29:58] <mustang> stop-d kicks you into diags on the way up. what approximately are you trying to achieve ?
[04:30:10] <mikeh623> hey guys, i could use a little help, just installed solaris, need some config help. i'm pretty sure i setup the filesystem wrong which resulted in everything being ufs
[04:30:33] <jamesd> mikeh623, its ufs by default.
[04:30:56] <mikeh623> okay, then, makes me feel a little better...not user error, yet
[04:31:07] <jamesd> you can use  zfs for   /opt  and /export home  easiest way is to  umount /export/home and convert it to be a zpool .... man zpool
[04:32:05] <mikeh623> yea i have the gettin started papers printed in front of me, i'm just unsure of how i'm going to use the disks
[04:32:13] <mikeh623> i have 2 new hard drives, 250gb each, both sata
[04:32:41] <jamesd> and not part of the install currently?
[04:32:48] <mikeh623> i just want to get remote access going and the zfs setup so i can unplug the monitor and stuff
[04:33:11] <jamesd> how many disks in the box?
[04:33:14] <mikeh623> well, see, thats where i think i messed up, i let the installer do the layout
[04:33:19] <mikeh623> those 2
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[04:34:30] <edwardocallaghan> Trying to turn off diag (POST) but my USB keyboard does not have a stop key as it's a PC one
[04:34:33] <jamesd> it would be better if you can find an old disk and put the OS on it and then you can mirror the other 2 disks and zfs will perform better if given full disks
[04:35:03] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, boot into solaris then you can use  eeprom  to edit obp settings
[04:37:19] <mikeh623> i have 3 drives in this computer i'm using, 2x 250 (1 sata, 1 ide), 1x 80gb ide, i can use it for the OS -- there is a 50gb linux partition and a 30gb fat32 partition i was usin as a go between my os x and windows
[04:37:29] <mikeh623> could i do this leavin the 30gb fat32 in tact?
[04:37:55] <edwardocallaghan> So as root I type eeprom ?
[04:38:06] <jamesd> possibly but it getts tricky to mess with partitions
[04:38:09] <edwardocallaghan> Is the $PATH exported?
[04:38:18] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, yes that will give you all the availible settings
[04:38:33] <edwardocallaghan> Will it just return: ok
[04:38:47] <edwardocallaghan> As if I pressed STOP+D ?
[04:38:51] <jamesd> to change   use   eeprom  setting  value
[04:39:16] <jamesd> edwardocallaghan, it doesn't enter the obp, it just allows you to change the settings
[04:39:31] <edwardocallaghan> eeprom setenv diag-switch? false
[04:39:36] <edwardocallaghan> Is that right?
[04:39:47] <jamesd> leave out the setenv part
[04:40:14] <edwardocallaghan> #eeprom diag-switch? false
[04:40:34] <jamesd> yes
[04:40:43] <edwardocallaghan> Nice, thanks
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[04:46:27] <edwardocallaghan> What's "data not available" mean?
[04:46:45] <edwardocallaghan> Also is OpenBoot 4.16.4 old ?
[04:46:54] <jamesd> its not set or isn't availible on your machine
[04:47:25] <edwardocallaghan> false is the spelling right please?
[04:47:32] <jamesd> yes
[04:47:44] <edwardocallaghan> #eeprom diag-switch? false
[04:47:49] <edwardocallaghan> Hmm then ?
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[04:49:17] <jamesd> eeprom diag-switch?=false
[04:49:32] <jamesd> sorry its been a while since i used eeprom
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[04:52:43] <mikeh623> whew
[04:53:10] <mikeh623> jamesd: i'm transfering whats on the fat32 partition, so the whole 80gb ide drive can be used for the OS w/o worryin about partitions
[04:53:24] <mikeh623> i'm also going to take another 250gb sata drive to put in the storage box
[04:53:27] <jamesd> cool
[04:53:48] <mikeh623> so it'll be 3x 250gb sata drives for zfs, and then the 80gb ide for solaris
[04:54:04] <jamesd> with  3x 250's you can use raidz  and get 500GB  of storage....  and more if your data is compressible and you enable compression
[04:54:51] <jamesd> good luck i'm heading off to bed..
[04:54:58] <mikeh623> one sec plz
[04:55:02] <mikeh623> sorry, lol
[04:55:09] <mikeh623> how should i got about the isntall this time to get it right
[04:56:39] <rydis> I'd just not let the install touch the disks you want zfs on.
[04:56:55] <mikeh623> rydis, thanks
[04:57:32] <mikeh623> at first at least, i don't intend to do anything with this box except storage through my network, can i streamline the install this time for that?
[04:57:48] <mikeh623> ftp, ssh, etc...
[04:59:02] <jbalint> is there any plan to support link aggregation for the qfe?
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[05:03:28] <mikeh623> rydis - do i need to format the sata drives or will zfs take care of that after the new install?
[05:04:15] <rydis> I don't know. You can definitely format them after the install, anyway. (Confession: I don't actually run opensolaris on anything right now.)
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[05:06:29] <edwardocallaghan> Right moving to my sun box now, be back
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[05:06:58] <tthorpe> god how the hell do I get this thing to quit going to the serial console!
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[05:08:15] <rydis> What does eeprom say that input-device and output-device are?
[05:08:16] <mikeh623> rydis - thanks nevertheless
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[05:31:10] <tthorpe> fixed it
[05:31:21] <tthorpe> it wasn't the eeprom it was grub
[05:31:30] <tthorpe> and the way sun configs it's preinstalls of solaris
[05:31:43] <tthorpe> it defaults output to the serial console
[05:32:02] <tthorpe> very pita if you don't happen to have a db9 serial null modem cable
[05:32:22] <tthorpe> but if I use the command -B console=text every time the system boots, problem solved...
[05:33:53] <tthorpe> and if I edit grubs whatever file that keeps that command I won't have to type it in every time...
[05:34:08] <tthorpe> I'm a total newb ;)
[05:34:16] <tthorpe> but you guys are nicer then the linux guys ;)
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[05:34:26] <tthorpe> they tell me commands that will fubar my machine...
[05:35:00] <tthorpe> see I'm already picking up on the lingo, I already know foobar, fubar, and dev/null
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[05:38:38] <tthorpe> ok I thought it was funny
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[06:02:32] <edwardocallaghan> Hi agine
[06:02:39] <edwardocallaghan> stuck agine
[06:03:02] <edwardocallaghan> I am trying to get the ethernet to work on my new blade 2000
[06:03:18] <edwardocallaghan> tried ifconfig hme0 plumb
[06:03:29] <edwardocallaghan> and it says no device
[06:03:33] <edwardocallaghan> :( ?
[06:04:00] <richlowe> b2k doesn't (normally) have an hme device.
[06:04:03] <richlowe> unless you added one.
[06:04:06] <richlowe> the onboard ether is eri0
[06:07:50] <edwardocallaghan> eri0 oh
[06:07:54] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[06:08:12] <edwardocallaghan> How would I know that, how would you find that out?
[06:08:29] <nbkk6fo> modinfo | awk '/Eth/ { print $6 }'
[06:10:07] <edwardocallaghan> wow you know your syntax !?
[06:11:50] <whaq> It's 'again'
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[06:12:56] <richlowe> if you're lucky enough for the module description to mention Eth.
[06:14:01] <edwardocallaghan> How did you learn to get your syntax to that standard ?
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[06:23:20] <edwardocallaghan> ok lets try it
[06:23:23] <edwardocallaghan> Be back
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[07:09:43] <whaq> heh
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[08:06:13] <nprice> does the sun update manager allow you to get all updates for free or only security patches?  I thought it all became free a while ago.
[08:06:44] <nprice> trying to do updates on a system i just installed from my 6/06 media i had and it's not letting me do everything i'd like :\
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[08:20:29] <nprice> apparently the system wasn't rebooted since the last patches happened
[08:20:32] <nprice> d'oh
[08:20:49] <geniusj> nprice, I was awaiting an answer to your question
[08:21:09] <geniusj> I'm curious about it too.. I thought it was only security patches, but if it's not.. nice :)
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[09:53:59] <estibi> hi all
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[10:06:17] <whaq> hi
[10:17:46] <Error_404> let's play the fun game of "how long does building O/N take on a celeron"
[10:18:29] <richlowe> without lint, maybe a day.
[10:18:34] <richlowe> with lint, maybe two. :)
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[10:21:29] <richlowe> also, however commented the verbose check in http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/jds/spec-files/trunk/patches/Python-05-isalibs.diff (first change) has my undying dislike.
[10:21:48] <Tpenta> setting CW_NOSHADOW will speed it up too
[10:22:26] <richlowe> CW_NO_SHADOW
[10:22:32] <Tpenta> yea that one
[10:22:33] <richlowe> (because it would suck for him to not notice the typo)
[10:22:38] <Tpenta> true
[10:22:41] <Tpenta> thanks rich
[10:22:56] <Tpenta> that on its own should halve the compile time
[10:24:11] <Error_404> what does that do?
[10:26:10] <Tpenta> if unset compiles with both cc and gcc
[10:26:21] <Tpenta> in order to verify a clean build with compilers
[10:26:46] <richlowe> Hm, the history via opengrok doesn't go back far enough to show why they did that, either.
[10:27:05] <richlowe> if it's just to test the "bad mtimes on everything because of the way python is built" bug, it shouldn't have gone back that way.
[10:27:09] <Tpenta> the idea is that code in ON should not generate warnings, it was simply extended to gcc
[10:27:15] <richlowe> either way, it makes actually *doing anything* in python noisy and irritating.
[10:30:25] <richlowe> Tpenta: does 6469243 provide anything to illustrate why what I'm currently complaining about is the case?
[10:32:13] <Tpenta> what are you complaining about (i've not been following)
[10:32:28] <Tpenta> that bug should have been fixed in nv53
[10:32:43] <richlowe> Tpenta: Yeah, I think what I'm complaining about is the result of that fix
[10:33:06] <richlowe> they commented out a verbosity check in python, which means if you actually *do* update a .py file, (or in my case, several) it spews that all over the screen.
[10:33:13] <richlowe> with no redeaming qualities at all. :)
[10:33:39] <richlowe> sigh, and utility/python isn't there on the bug submit form.
[10:33:44] <Tpenta> The fix is to update the .py files before they are compiled.
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[10:33:46] <Tpenta> that's all they did
[10:34:09] <richlowe> No, the fix is to uncomment the verbosity check they uncommented.
[10:34:19] <richlowe> s/uncommented\.$/commented./
[10:34:52] <Tpenta> the bug doesnt mention anything about that
[10:40:18] <richlowe> k, I'll file a bug regarding the needless spew then.
[10:40:19] <richlowe> thanks.
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[11:36:51] <scode> Err. "mkdir: Failed to make directory "test"; Operation not applicable", when I attempt to mkdir something in /home. /home is not any kind of special mount, just a directory in the root filesystem.
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[11:37:52] <scode> Ah, and trying to chmod o+w on /home yields: chmod: WARNING: can't access home
[11:37:59] <scode> And I'm root.
[11:38:15] <richlowe> /home, by default, is "any kind of special mount", it's an autofs mountpoint.
[11:39:07] <scode> richlowe: Well, it's not listed by "mount" or "df" anywhere. Is there some other way to get an authorative list?
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[11:39:47] <nightswim> mount and df list mounted filesystems, and /home isnt mounted
[11:39:58] <nightswim> /etc/auto_home
[11:40:14] <nightswim> /etc/auto_master
[11:40:23] <IvanR_> "df -a" will show it
[11:40:30] <scode> Alright. Thanks! I will read up on it.
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[11:41:48] <IvanR_> And http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/youre-never-far-from-home.html
[11:43:24] <scode> Thank you.
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[12:19:24] <jamesb> Hi guys I seem to be having issues downloading SunStudio 11
[12:19:33] <nightswim> what's the issue
[12:19:44] <jamesb> well
[12:20:07] <jamesb> I'm using the sun download manager to download it directly from the sun site
[12:20:18] <jamesb> unfortunately it seems to have been cached by an akamai server
[12:20:23] <jamesb> which doesn't have the full file
[12:20:34] <jamesb> so the sdm keeps retrying until failing
[12:21:18] <jamesb> tcpdump shows that it's actually retrieving the file from IP 84.53.135.8 rather than 192.18.108.219 from the URL
[12:21:43] <richlowe> Hm, someone asked about that on tools-discuss recently.  Was that you?
[12:21:52] <jamesb> nope
[12:21:57] <jamesb> just tried the first time this morning
[12:21:59] <richlowe> The answer given was "Don't use SDM"
[12:22:03] <jamesb> ha
[12:22:04] <jamesb> !
[12:22:08] <jamesb> k
[12:22:19] <jamesb> well having downloaded it with a webbrowser
[12:22:30] <jamesb> gtar says unexpected EOF
[12:22:54] <richlowe> Hm, then the person who asked on tools-discuss was probably having the same issue as you, and happened to hit a good mirror.
[12:22:59] <richlowe> Try and be luckier? :)
[12:23:06] <jamesb> dear dear :)
[12:23:18] <jamesb> or wait for the local akamai mirror to expire
[12:23:21] <jamesb> grrr
[12:23:30] <Auralis> wget -c "paste link out of download page"   opionaly add -O /path/to/partial/present/file
[12:23:43] <jamesb> the first download was at a sane 500kb per sec now it's 10Mb a sec
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[12:26:18] <Doc> you sure it's akamai and not your browser?
[12:26:39] <Doc> or a local isp (transparent) proxy?
[12:27:23] <jamesb> I'm on the uk academic network
[12:27:35] <jamesb> tcpdump shows the download coming from akamai
[12:27:46] <jamesb> which is 1 hop off from Janet
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[12:44:06] <kaiwai> 'allo
[12:44:15] * kaiwai waits for the groans
[12:44:46] <kaiwai> anyone here from sun?
[12:45:48] <kaiwai> whats the status of 3945abg support?
[12:46:10] <Doc> yes, and nfi
[12:46:27] <kaiwai> nfi?
[12:46:50] <Doc> no...ummm...  funny...  idea
[12:47:08] <kaiwai> ah
[12:47:31] <kaiwai> there was a post that NDIS is being fixed so that the windows drivers can load, but it has been over two months without word
[12:47:46] <kaiwai> should one go to sun and cattle prod on mass the programmers?
[12:49:01] <Doc> did you, like, try asking on the relevant opensolaris mailing list?
[12:50:25] <kaiwai> actually, I filed a bug report :)
[12:50:34] <kaiwai> but like a Microsoft bug report, it has been ignored :)
[12:50:49] <kaiwai> difference though, I didn't get charged $50 to file it, I guess thats the upside
[12:51:41] <kaiwai> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6496462
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[12:52:43] <Gr|ffous> asd?
[12:52:55] <kaiwai> pardon?
[12:52:57] <kaiwai> asd?
[12:53:02] <Gr|ffous> we even have a sad.
[12:53:24] * Gr|ffous suspects a lazy qwerty typer that didn't fill in all the fields
[12:53:29] <Gr|ffous> yes. in your bug report
[12:53:40] <Doc> oh yes - thats a very worthwhile CR
[12:53:41] <kaiwai> well, there nothing needs to be filled
[12:53:46] <kaiwai> its a driver request
[12:54:09] <Doc> so put n/a or something like that rather than just putting in crap
[12:54:13] <kaiwai> opensolaris needs zyx driver, openbsd has the driver, get your ass into gear and port it - thats the nut shell version
[12:54:30] <jamesb> lol!
[12:54:39] <Gr|ffous> I think you'll find that politely requesting will work better then demanding
[12:55:19] <kaiwai> well, its a nutshell version
[12:55:26] <Doc> i think bugster needs "raiser is a moron" as one of it's sub-categories for closed...
[12:55:37] <kaiwai> I am willing to give the person a $50 book token plus a complimentry bj for the porter of the said driver
[12:55:58] <Gr|ffous> should have put that in the RFE ;)
[12:56:26] <kaiwai> hmm, I'm sure some lonely geek will go, "screw the $50, just give me the bj!"
[12:57:18] <Gr|ffous> if they happen to have been in the channel reading this maybe. The point that I'm trying to get across is that your bug could have been reported better.
[12:57:29] <Doc> kaiwai: have you ever heard of a thing called "google" ?
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[12:58:25] <kaiwai> I havem the issue is that the NDIS included with OpenSolaris is baroque, hence, the windows drivers don't work - Sun programmers have already acknowledged this limitation, and apparently this is being addressed by some hermits living in china
[13:00:30] <kaiwai> now, i'm just hopeing that before I die, I'll see a 3945abg driver for solaris
[13:01:13] <Error_404> why don't you port it and quit being such a lazy jerk?
[13:01:29] <kaiwai> because I can't programme :)
[13:01:49] <Doc> kaiwai: i can promise you that there will be progress on the bug you've raised within a few minutes...
[13:02:30] <kaiwai> oh shit, now I'll have to travell all the way to the US give you that bj :(
[13:03:28] <Gr|ffous> knowing doc, you might be a little ahead of yourself there
[13:04:03] <kaiwai> good
[13:04:10] <kaiwai> I don't want my bf getting jealous
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[13:04:42] <Doc> ok, CR 6496462 is now closed
[13:05:22] * Doc hands griffous a cookie. good call
[13:05:39] <Gr|ffous> :)
[13:06:12] <Doc> kaiwai: no, the nutshell is DONT RAISE DUPLICATE BUGS
[13:06:21] <kaiwai> where is the second bug?
[13:06:35] <kaiwai> aka, the link to the original bug
[13:06:38] <Doc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6381975
[13:07:34] <Doc> searching before you raised a bug would have made it clear that a cr already exists
[13:07:49] <Doc> (although you wouldnt have found that exact one, you would have found another that has already been closed as a duplicate)
[13:08:20] <kaiwai> hmm, it might help if the idiot, who filed the original bug report, but the product name/id in the information rather than a generic 'centrino' which can cover several intel wireless models
[13:08:33] <Doc> kaiwai: he does
[13:08:46] <kaiwai> no he doesn't, I'm looking at it right now
[13:08:52] <Doc> it's just in a field that doesnt show up on bugs.opensolaris.org
[13:08:59] <quasi> synopsis says ipw3945
[13:09:02] <Doc> and that "idiot" happens to be a good friend of mine
[13:09:03] <kaiwai> :S
[13:09:07] <kaiwai> damn thing
[13:09:18] <kaiwai> no need to worry, my browser was going all straight then
[13:09:29] <kaiwai> *smacks browser*
[13:09:34] <Doc> actually, no..  i dont know the raiser, just one of the ppl who commented on it
[13:09:49] <kaiwai> *shrugs*
[13:10:46] 
[13:11:01] <kaiwai> oh well, once that has been done, I can finally install Solaris on my laptop
[13:11:06] <richlowe> Doc: While I agree with your general point, not raising duplicates is real hard given that b.o.o searching is nearly intolerable and doesn't show all the cats under relevent products.
[13:11:08] <kaiwai> and perge that god awful linux off it
[13:11:11] <richlowe> (or even all the relevent products)
[13:11:32] <Doc> rishlowe: in general i agree. in this case, i dont - 6455422 comes up when you search for 3945ABG
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[13:13:42] <kaiwai> its been over 8months, kinda depressing nothing has been done
[13:15:15] <Doc> nothing?
[13:15:51] <richlowe> while it's still in 1-Dispatched, the date skew suggests more than "nothing" has been done.
[13:15:59] <Doc> there's an NDIS driver for it
[13:15:59] <Auralis> be happy that it is not a sparc gfx problem
[13:16:06] <Doc> just looks like it hasnt been released yet
[13:16:33] <richlowe> the ndis bits are on opensolaris.org (aren't they?)
[13:16:44] <Gr|ffous> since us mere mortals can't see much on b.o.o, are the mailing lists the best place to ask for updates on bugs?
[13:16:56] <richlowe> Gr|ffous: frankly, it's easier to ask here and hope.
[13:17:07] <richlowe> the lists would work too, but I'd bet the same people would be answering.
[13:17:11] <Gr|ffous> just ask a little 'better' eh?
[13:17:51] <richlowe> though asking on the lists each and every time may serve as a nudge toward getting stuff fixed, I guess.
[13:17:52] <kaiwai> Doc: the NDIS released is broken, but in fairness, thats the same situation with FreeBSD's NDIS implementation
[13:17:57] * richlowe doubts it though
[13:18:42] <Doc> the standard notebook within Sun for field engineers uses the 3945ABG, and apparently the NDIS works on it
[13:18:47] * kaiwai wonders about getting a $15billion student loan, buy out sun, and get the damn driver written once and for all
[13:18:58] <Doc> i'm getting a new notebook in about 2 weeks, so i'll know for sure then...
[13:19:18] <kaiwai> Sun people are using an internal NDIS build, which is apparently being done by the hermits in china
[13:19:19] <Gr|ffous> which one does sun use doc?
[13:19:24] <Auralis> better, lets buy MS and dismantle the compnay and bury windows once and for all
[13:19:28] <Doc> Tecra M5
[13:19:39] <kaiwai> but since us unwashed masses are not blessed with such massive craniums, we have to put up with no support
[13:19:57] <Doc> kaiwai: you could go and write your own
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[13:20:52] <kaiwai> *points Doc to the fact that kaiwai sucks at programming
[13:21:01] <quasi> if it works on a tecra M5, I'm sure it would be possible to get it running on my stinkpad as well
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[13:21:14] <kaiwai> unless you can exoplain the ability to write a driver in cobol :)
[13:23:05] <quasi> kaiwai: it would probably be more copy paste coding than anything else since you've already got a few other ipw drivers
[13:23:57] <kaiwai> hmm, assuming I know the difference between the BSD and Solaris driver API
[13:24:01] <kaiwai> and can tweak the code
[13:24:54] <quasi> worth a try
[13:26:26] <kaiwai> *shrugs* I'll just bangalore the job
[13:26:33] <kaiwai> it'll cost me less
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[13:27:15] <kaiwai> meh, or do what Sun does, and claim its a Microsoft conspiracy against Sun, and try to sue Microsoft
[13:29:58] <richlowe> I'm not sure trolling leads to wireless support.
[13:30:05] <richlowe> if it does, I've been doing dev stuff wrong for all these years.
[13:31:05] <kaiwai> no, its just hearing the same excuses from Sun, its starting sound like Microsoft and technical support
[13:31:40] <kaiwai> now, if sun said, "we don't want customers, you all suck!" then atleast it would be honesty
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[13:36:46] <kaiwai> brb off to anounce a fatwa against sun, and launch a jihad for the support of 3945abg chipsets
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[14:07:47] <Error_404> he's an annoying little twat
[14:08:08] <DataStream> kaiwai?
[14:08:35] <Doc> i took great pleasure in closing his CR for some reason...
[14:09:17] <Error_404> he comes in here once or twice a week to shoot his mouth off about some damnfool thing or other
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[14:27:12] <_syphilis_> hmm, fortunately i've never seen him before
[14:28:15] <sickness> i'm back
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[14:42:42] <delewis> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[14:42:47] <delewis> heh, you've got to love gcc
[14:42:54] <delewis> I doubt it's taking advantage of AMD64's memory models.
[14:43:19] <delewis> that, or they aren't re-compiling the software to take advantage of the extra registers.
[14:45:01] <delewis> a few of those benchmarks aren't even CPU-bound.
[14:45:07] <delewis> like the gzip one
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[15:44:42] <richlowe> movement: what did you change in Description?
[15:44:51] <richlowe> (yay interest list suck)
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[16:32:09] <rpaulo> hi
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[16:39:41] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
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[16:41:01] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone around?
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[16:41:11] <LeftWing> Depends.
[16:41:18] <edwardocallaghan> :)
[16:41:35] <edwardocallaghan> I am on my new Sun Blade
[16:41:48] <edwardocallaghan> Got a old version of Sol10 on here
[16:42:03] <edwardocallaghan> How do I update over the internet ?
[16:42:31] <LeftWing> You mean patches?
[16:42:39] <edwardocallaghan> Also can you tell  me where the xorg.conf file is hiding ?
[16:42:48] <edwardocallaghan> Yea...
[16:43:01] <trygvis> xorg.conf is not required
[16:43:03] <LeftWing> I'm pretty sure it's Xsun you want on SPARC
[16:43:13] <phips> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1
[16:43:26] * phips sighs
[16:43:33] <phips> wrong window to paste that in
[16:43:41] <edwardocallaghan> smpatch update came up with errors ?
[16:43:54] <LeftWing> edwardocallaghan: Go and grab PCA (Patch Check Advanced).
[16:44:24] <edwardocallaghan> Is that from blastware ?
[16:44:29] <LeftWing> Nope.
[16:44:42] <delewis> phips, I already pasted it awhile ago.
[16:44:45] <delewis> :-)
[16:44:54] <Stric> edwardocallaghan: google://solaris+pca
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[16:45:12] <LeftWing> delewis: I think one of the real questions is -- who needs a 64bit web browser, anyway? ;P
[16:45:50] <edwardocallaghan> Hi delewis
[16:45:55] <delewis> LeftWing, one doesn't even need to do a benchmark if one understands what's going on.
[16:46:04] <delewis> and also, it doesn't look like they used their compilers very well.
[16:46:07] <LeftWing> heh
[16:46:21] <LeftWing> Such is life.  There are plenty of crap articles out there.
[16:46:45] <delewis> they treat it as its some magic 8-ball where you shake it and you get some arbitrary, completely unpredictable result.
[16:47:06] <phips> delewis: yus, I was trying to paste into camino but my fingers clearly don't work ;-) thanks
[16:48:46] <delewis> in 64-bit code, pointers are twice as long, and thus fill twice as much cache, therefore, pointer-intensive code is going to be slower. Fortunately, AMD64 provides various memory modes where 64-bit addressing is not always required for every pointer, even if the application is compiled for 64-bit.
[16:49:00] <delewis> from some of their benchmarks it looks like (1) gcc doesn't take advantage of this or (2) they didn't take advantage of gcc
[16:49:11] <LeftWing> Potentially both. =P
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[16:50:39] <edwardocallaghan> Where does wget hide on sol10 ?
[16:50:48] <trygvis> /usr/sfw/bin
[16:52:02] <jamesb> Hi guys
[16:52:07] <jamesb> (again)
[16:52:12] <jamesb> I'm seeing something very odd here
[16:52:25] <LeftWing> Something wonderful?
[16:52:30] <jamesb> heh
[16:52:37] <jamesb> well I've never seen tar alter a file before
[16:52:38] <jamesb> :s
[16:52:54] <plugboy> Hello everyone, I am new with the ON sources. I am downloading now solaris express from sun. Is that everything I require to build a fully working opensolaris - based system, build - environment wise? Thank you very much in advance :)
[16:52:59] <jamesb> still faffing trying to get sunstudio to untar
[16:53:23] <jamesb> doing the following shows great strangeness
[16:53:26] <jamesb> MD5(sunstudio11-ii-20060829-sol-x86.tar.Z)= b7c5ca71acb7a7a82dc4abcc4c04a355
[16:53:36] <jamesb> untarring gives:
[16:53:40] <delewis> plugboy, Solaris Express *is* OpenSolaris-based.
[16:53:43] <jamesb> ./contrib/xemacs-21.4.12/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/jde/java/lib/bsh.jar
[16:53:46] <jamesb> /usr/sfw/bin/gtar: Skipping to next header
[16:53:47] <jamesb> /usr/sfw/bin/gtar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
[16:53:50] <jamesb> /usr/sfw/bin/gtar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[16:53:52] <delewis> unless you just want to build ON for the hell of it.
[16:53:57] <jamesb> and then the md5sum of the tar file is:
[16:54:01] <LeftWing> jamesb: Try Solaris tar.
[16:54:02] <jamesb> MD5(/export/home/james/sunstudio11-ii-20060829-sol-x86.tar.Z)= 6706958fe49af73a9c6a14c4fcf38e23
[16:54:12] <jamesb> ah
[16:54:35] <jamesb> that was *also* giving errors, though I suppose it may have been ont he newly corrupted file...
[16:54:50] <plugboy> delewis: yes I am fully aware of that, problem is, does the standard solaris express 12/06 contain the necessary build tools or i have to check for additional tools asides the DVD install iso for 12/06 ?
[16:55:03] * jamesb tries again
[16:55:04] <delewis> plugboy, you'll neeed Sun Studio 11
[16:55:22] <jamesb> rofl
[16:55:22] <plugboy> delewis: hmm that is an additional download, ok
[16:55:23] <delewis> it's all in the README on opensolaris.org
[16:55:38] <plugboy> delewis: i started this adventure like 15 mins ago :)
[16:55:58] <edwardocallaghan> This PCA tool great !
[16:56:00] <delewis> plugboy, read through the material at opensolaris.org before you continue.
[16:56:06] <LeftWing> edwardocallaghan: Yes, it is.
[16:56:20] <plugboy> delewis: i am doing that now, thank you for being polite :)
[16:56:20] <edwardocallaghan> *is
[16:56:46] * plugboy feels sorry for wasting time because of his newbishness :)
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[16:57:37] <edwardocallaghan> The patchs are taking more time then RPM's though :O
[16:58:39] <edwardocallaghan> I wonder whats taking the time?
[17:00:00] <edwardocallaghan> No it fails on some telling me missing patch file
[17:00:10] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, the package database those patches are modifying is a flat text file.
[17:00:23] <LeftWing> edwardocallaghan: Some patches are not available to those without Support.
[17:00:27] <delewis> # pkginfo | grep CSW | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs pkgrm -na /var/tmp/admin
[17:00:29] <delewis> :-)
[17:00:36] <delewis> I love that one-line fix.
[17:01:15] <LeftWing> Package genocide. ;P
[17:02:02] <delewis> I was wanting to play quake2 or bzflag, unfortuunately, my elite3d sucks too much.
[17:02:09] <delewis> unfortunately, rather.
[17:02:11] <edwardocallaghan> What the hell, How did you learn all that syntax ?
[17:02:30] <edwardocallaghan> Can you please run me thought how that works
[17:02:39] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, that's basic Unix userland-fu.
[17:03:39] <Stric> grep CSW | awk '{ print $2 }'  -> awk '/CSW/ { print $2 }'  ;)
[17:03:46] <jamesb> LeftWing: Woohoo! You are a genius, cheers :D !  Should someone fix the instructions at http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/sun_studio_11_tools/ ?
[17:04:10] * LeftWing bows.
[17:04:48] <delewis> Stric, that works, too, I just make it a habit to use grep for lines and awk for columns when possible.
[17:05:11] <Stric> yeah, me too to be honest :)
[17:05:19] <edwardocallaghan> Well I have been teaching myself Linux but thats a high of syntax usage
[17:05:45] <plugboy> edwardocallaghan: that is normal routine stuff for unixers
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[17:06:02] <plugboy> grep and awk are dear friends :)
[17:06:07] <edwardocallaghan> # pkginfo | grep CSW | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs pkgrm -na /var/tmp/admin
[17:06:08] <delewis> as is xargs
[17:06:19] <delewis> xargs will change your world :-)
[17:06:26] <TFKyle> xargs++
[17:06:27] <Stric> I think my (known) record is around 20 pipes, with every step doing something useful and having a useful end-result ;)
[17:06:36] <edwardocallaghan> thats one of them i don't know
[17:06:37] <TFKyle> wow, nice
[17:06:39] <plugboy> darn 20 pipes is complex :P
[17:06:56] <plugboy> edwardocallaghan: the | stands for "pipe"
[17:07:04] <edwardocallaghan> yea i know
[17:07:17] <plugboy> i do not even remember why it is called a pipe instead of something else
[17:07:22] <Stric> xargs is "execute a command with input lines as arguments"
[17:07:25] <edwardocallaghan> Not stupid just not experinced
[17:07:36] <Stric> plugboy: the internet is a series of tu^Wpipes..
[17:07:37] <LeftWing> plugboy: Because you're piping output from one command into another.  Think of Pipedream.
[17:07:43] <jlc> !seen laca
[17:07:45] <Drone> laca (laca!n=laca at 192 dot 18.101.5) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 22 Dec 2006 18:37 GMT, saying 'the description says it's only relevant if the object is a drawer or a menu'.
[17:07:48] <jlc> !seen gman
[17:07:48] <plugboy> edwardocallaghan: sorry, i did not mean to be misinterpreted
[17:07:49] <Drone> Gman (Gman!i=gman@nat/sun/x-32904514f448a268) was last seen in #opensolaris on Thu 28 Dec 2006 22:02 GMT, saying 'boyd, bah!!'.
[17:07:51] * TFKyle always goes up to 4 or 5, unless it's something really simple any more than that and it probably makes sense to write a script to do it
[17:07:58] <TFKyle> s/always/only/
[17:08:02] <delewis> that's typicall what I do.
[17:08:05] <delewis> typically, rather.
[17:08:19] <plugboy> LeftWing: yes, but how come the term "piping output" came a friendly term in nixers?
[17:08:36] <edwardocallaghan> No I know I got lots to learn I am a 19 year old admin
[17:08:40] <edwardocallaghan> Of my own systems
[17:08:42] <delewis> originally, pipes weren't duplex.
[17:08:47] <delewis> so you only had one flow.
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[17:09:01] <delewis> hence like water in a pipe (its only meant to go one way)
[17:09:04] <plugboy> delewis: never thought of that in software terms :P
[17:09:10] * plugboy bows
[17:09:35] <edwardocallaghan> Does Sol have the same stdin stdout and stderr ?
[17:09:46] <edwardocallaghan> Whats awk ?
[17:09:46] <Stric> yea
[17:09:55] <Stric> awk is a scripting language
[17:09:57] <Stric> kinda
[17:09:59] <plugboy> awk is a language of its own for scripting
[17:10:08] <delewis> Stric, the authors would like it to be called that :-)
[17:10:11] <LeftWing> Built for filtering.
[17:10:20] <Stric>        gawk - pattern scanning and processing language
[17:10:28] <edwardocallaghan> ah ok
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[17:10:34] <plugboy> less powerful than perl but more useful that it :P
[17:10:42] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, I suggest you get the O'Reilly sed & awk book.
[17:10:44] <trygvis> less is more!
[17:10:45] <edwardocallaghan> font size="3"># pkginfo | grep CSW | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs pkgrm -na /var/tmp/admin so what does this do ?
[17:10:46] <delewis> it's *highly* useful.
[17:10:49] <delewis> and will last you a lifetime.
[17:10:57] <plugboy> i know, i like awk :P
[17:11:02] <delewis> and ksh book is also nice, too, if you want an introduction to shell scripting.
[17:11:07] <plugboy> perl is just too overly complex
[17:11:11] <edwardocallaghan> less is more lol
[17:11:14] <plugboy> i enjoy bash a lot
[17:11:24] <edwardocallaghan> zsh
[17:11:26] <plugboy> have not used ksh to be honest
[17:11:42] <edwardocallaghan> I like it more and more
[17:11:56] <plugboy> on my bsd/linux boxes everything is scripted in bash/awk
[17:12:02] <edwardocallaghan> I got some books that I am getting though at the moment
[17:12:21] <plugboy> with the addition of the =~ operator in bash things have also become more interesting
[17:12:25] <TFKyle> edwardocallaghan: I think it does something similar to "get the line containing CSW from the pkginfo command, printing the second field? (not too sure there, dunno awk myself) and use that as an arg to pkgrm -na /var/tmp/admin"
[17:12:30] <edwardocallaghan> My LPIC1 I am doing and a SCSA to get my up to speed with sol10
[17:12:35] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, all that does is run pkginfo, find the lines containing CSW (Blastwave packages), rips out the second column (that's the column that contains the package name), and does a non-interactive pkgrm.
[17:13:03] <plugboy> hmm seems that all of my hardware is supported by sun :)
[17:13:06] <plugboy> neat
[17:13:26] <plugboy> that means no problems running solaris express
[17:13:33] <TFKyle> ah
[17:13:55] <edwardocallaghan> delewis: does that fix me up with blastware then?
[17:14:02] <plugboy> 2 more parts to download for the dvd iso to get here
[17:14:14] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, no, it removes any sign of Blastwave from your system (almost)
[17:14:23] <delewis> there's probably some garbage in /opt/csw that I need to remove.
[17:15:33] <edwardocallaghan> Oh for the missing patchs
[17:15:54] <axxl> hi all
[17:16:09] <plugboy> of note the top 3 things that got me interested in opensolaris are dtrace, brandz and most of all zfs
[17:16:25] <axxl> can anyone tell me the correct rights of the /home and /export directory?
[17:16:27] <plugboy> i have a feeling i am going to love this if it works
[17:16:33] <delewis> LeftWing, you might be interested in this if you're bored sometime: http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/learning/tutorials.jsp
[17:16:51] <delewis> look at the bottom "Sun High Performance Computing (HPC) Workshop 2006 Tutorials"
[17:16:52] <axxl> I think I have it "destructed" (learnin by doing)
[17:17:13] <delewis> a few of the guys on the Sun Studio compiler team went to Aachen last year for the workshop, lots of good material.
[17:17:20] <delewis> and they put up videos of it all afterwards.
[17:17:25] <LeftWing> cool
[17:17:47] <edwardocallaghan> thats not boring
[17:17:59] <delewis> "Optimization Techniques Part II" is especially cool :-)
[17:18:30] <edwardocallaghan> 33/363
[17:18:40] <edwardocallaghan> I'll be here for some time
[17:18:51] <edwardocallaghan> Will this update Gnome ?
[17:19:04] <edwardocallaghan> and the new login screen ect...?
[17:19:48] <delewis> I learned quite a bit from those videos. Sun Studio has a lot to offer that gcc doesn't even bother with.
[17:19:58] <LeftWing> Might do.  You may have to upgrade to a newer release to get some of the new stuff sans support, edwardocallaghan.
[17:20:03] <delewis> automatic parallelization, verbose debugging information, excellent analysis tools, etc.
[17:20:20] <delewis> s/debugging/optimization/
[17:20:31] <delewis> with er_src you can actually see what chunks of your code got optimized.
[17:20:38] <edwardocallaghan> Can I upgrade from my shell
[17:21:17] <edwardocallaghan> I downloaded the new sol10 11/06 iso
[17:21:20] <LeftWing> Holy crap, that's a pretty neat lecture publication thingy.
[17:21:33] <edwardocallaghan> But there is no DVD burner on my blade 2000
[17:21:47] <delewis> LeftWing, yeah, it's awesome.
[17:21:51] <jlc> http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[17:21:53] <delewis> I went through most of them last night.
[17:22:01] <jlc> anyone know what it would take to get that to work on solaris
[17:22:06] <jlc> works on linux/mac
[17:22:07] <delewis> I'm doing the OpenMP stuff now (which I had no idea about until now)
[17:22:09] <delewis> very cool stuff.
[17:22:19] <plugboy> openmp ?
[17:22:24] <edwardocallaghan> yea I was looking into porting it
[17:22:25] <jlc> I tried the LInux version,  ./Songbird
[17:22:25] <jlc> Songbird: Cannot find /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
[17:22:30] <delewis> basically, a high-level platform-independent threading API.
[17:22:34] <edwardocallaghan> Song Bird
[17:22:35] <plugboy> oh
[17:22:41] <jlc> uses xulrunner
[17:22:44] <delewis> much more high-level than pthreads.
[17:22:45] <plugboy> delewis C++ ?
[17:23:04] <delewis> plugboy, C++ OpenMP support is there, but it's not as 'there' as much as it is in Fortran or C.
[17:23:16] <edwardocallaghan> jlc:your need to recomple it with the right libs
[17:23:19] <tomww> edwardocallaghan: if you have free space on you disk (and slices...), you could use lifeupdate
[17:23:21] <delewis> C++ is actually a very difficult language to optimize and paralleize.
[17:23:25] <delewis> parallelize*
[17:23:39] <delewis> just because of the level of abstraction you're dealing with.
[17:23:48] <plugboy> hmm i will have to learn more about sun stuff delewis, but overall from what i have read and seen (at times) things are very neat on the sun front
[17:23:49] <edwardocallaghan> lifeupdate ?
[17:24:01] <delewis> plugboy, Sun Studio is completely ahead of everything else.
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[17:24:06] <delewis> and those videos illustrate that quite well.
[17:24:14] <jlc> I can't find just the src, looks like only packages right now
[17:24:30] <plugboy> delewis: i see
[17:25:03] <tomww> edwardocallaghan: run the solairs os on one filesystems. make with lifeupdate a copy into another filesystem on the disk. the update-source = cdrom-ISO-Image is loopback-mounted to read is without burning it to cdrom/dvd
[17:25:18] <tomww> and no interruption in service, except a reboot and test
[17:25:58] <edwardocallaghan> I don't know how to do that but would love to learn
[17:26:20] <edwardocallaghan> I know how to mount a Disc though in Linux
[17:26:25] <tomww> edwardocallaghan: the copy of the running OS is then upgraded while the ols release is still online.
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[17:27:01] <tomww> this means, the update-installer runs on the old os, the new filesystem is mounted e.g. under /.alt.target
[17:27:10] <edwardocallaghan> How is that done, I mount the disc as a loopback
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[17:27:14] <edwardocallaghan> Then?
[17:27:50] <tomww> you could look for the lifeupgrade documentation (no pointer at hand), to see if this meets your needs.
[17:28:18] <edwardocallaghan> OK I will wait untill all these patchs are done:/
[17:28:30] <tomww> the smalled thing will be to mount the ISO-Image. (lofiadm -a /<patchtotheimage>  ; mount -F hsfs /dev/lofi/<number> /myisoimagemountpoint )
[17:30:12] <edwardocallaghan> Right are be back
[17:30:17] <tomww> to use life-upgrade, you need disk-space. if your "/ /var /opt" and so on is 10Gb, then you need on a free disk-slice the same size. (if running out of disk-slices, you could merge the sepearate filesystems into e.g. all into "/")
[17:30:24] <edwardocallaghan> Till then take care and thanks
[17:30:31] <plugboy> have fun
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[17:32:38] <plugboy> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/gcc/ <-- what is the progress / interest on that?
[17:34:42] <delewis> "it works"
[17:34:49] <plugboy> :)
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[17:35:14] <plugboy> without going to nexenta - specific patchwork i presume
[17:36:20] <mikeh623> Good morning, I spent all night getting solaris going and setting up my pool. Turned the computer off, went to bed. Now when I boot, it hangs after detecting my drives on the bios. It only boots if i disconnect my 3 sata drives and only use the ide drive (the os one). Help?
[17:36:37] <_syphilis_> mikeh623: did you create a ZFS pool?
[17:36:46] <jamesd_> mikeh623, upgrade your bios.
[17:36:47] <mikeh623> yes
[17:36:59] <_syphilis_> mikeh623: your BIOS has a bug when seeing EFI partitions
[17:37:04] <mikeh623> i'm thinking i created a problem there
[17:37:05] <_syphilis_> (e.g. Tyan)
[17:37:42] <_syphilis_> you can upgrade or you can put the pool on a slice instead of a whole disk (the former would be preferable)
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[17:38:18] <mikeh623> right, per jamesd_ suggestion yesterday, i setup the 3 satas for zfs and the ide for the os
[17:38:19] <Stric> the second alternative involves hot-plugging drives or cleaning them in some computer that does work
[17:38:43] <jamesd_> mikeh623, check your motherboard maker and see if they have a newer bios upgrade
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[17:42:18] <mikeh623> several revisions, several dates, i'm lookin for explicit efi support?
[17:42:36] <jamesd_> yes.. usually the latest
[17:42:57] <_syphilis_> just use the latest
[17:43:14] <_syphilis_> it would be very odd if they removed the fix from a newer version if it was in an older one
[17:43:59] <plugboy> delewis: thanks for pushing me into browsing to this: http://www.rz.rwth-aachen.de/computing/videos/2006_sunhpc/Friday/1000_Cplusplus_and_OpenMP/1000-Cplusplus-and-OpenMP.html
[17:44:24] <mikeh623> floppy...
[17:44:31] <mikeh623> don't have one hooked up in either computer
[17:45:52] <mikeh623> a usb drive wouldn't work right?
[17:46:36] <Stric> maybe, maybe not.. depends on your bios manufacturer
[17:47:17] <Stric> some require a floppy.. if you have a PXE setup, you can use memdisk to netboot a floppy image
[17:49:19] <plugboy> 15mins left for having the last bit of the 12/06 dvd
[17:49:44] <plugboy> then i will have some fun practicing common tasks within solaris express
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[18:02:20] <mikeh623> question, is it possible they don't have a revision that supports efi for my model? because according to the bios when it boots and their site, i've got the latest
[18:02:25] <mikeh623> both 10/06
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[18:19:15] <mikeh623> Can I add efi support to the bios beyond upgrading them?
[18:19:50] <_syphilis_> sure, disassemble it and rewrite the relevant code
[18:20:15] <estibi> :)
[18:20:37] <mikeh623> oh my, more fun than i can handle
[18:21:39] <mikeh623> but this can't be a dead end, can it?
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[18:22:59] <_syphilis_> i did give you two options
[18:23:06] <mikeh623> hot plugging
[18:23:12] <_syphilis_> no
[18:23:15] <mikeh623> would be the alternative?
[18:23:16] <_syphilis_> < _syphilis_> you can upgrade or you can put the pool on a slice instead of a whole disk (the former would be preferable)
[18:23:53] <_syphilis_> the reason you should not use a slice is that zfs will be less aggressive in caching since it thinks it's sharing the disk
[18:23:57] <_syphilis_> but it'll still work
[18:24:56] <mikeh623> i'd have to do that on each drive of the pool then right?
[18:25:09] <_syphilis_> yes
[18:25:14] <_syphilis_> just create a single slice over the entire disk
[18:25:32] <_syphilis_> and use c0t1d0s1 instead of c0t1d0, or whichever (basically add the slice # to the device)
[18:26:37] <mikeh623> so i just need to partition each disk, the entire size, and when i create the pool, specify the partition instead of the disk
[18:26:52] <estibi> mikeh623: btw, what mainboard do you have ?
[18:26:57] <_syphilis_> slice != partition
[18:27:10] <_syphilis_> you need to specify the Solaris slice inside the solaris partition, not just an x86 partition
[18:27:22] <mikeh623> its a dfi infinity rs482
[18:27:33] <estibi> solaris slice != FDISK partition
[18:28:36] <mikeh623> how do i create a slice then since i thought it was something else
[18:28:47] <_syphilis_> 'format' then 'part'
[18:28:57] <_syphilis_> will take you to the slice editor, not the x86 partition editor
[18:29:02] <_syphilis_> (yes, this terminology is stupid)
[18:29:46] <mikeh623> yea, i thought when you said slice, it was just your word preference for partition
[18:30:11] <_syphilis_> you need to fdisk the disk first to create a standard x86 partition map instead of an EFI map
[18:30:16] <_syphilis_> (format -> fdisk)
[18:30:49] <estibi> mikeh623: have you ever used BSD ?
[18:30:59] <_syphilis_> if you can't boot with the disk inserted, take it to another computer and rewrite some zeros to it.  or just fdisk it there
[18:31:28] <delewis> mikeh623, SPARC doesn't have any concept of partitions, only slices. When Sun ported Solaris to x86, it kept slices, but encapsulated them within an x86 partition to maintain similar behaviour.
[18:31:45] <_syphilis_> delewis: iirc, EFI has finally fixed that
[18:31:48] <_syphilis_> solaris slice == EFI partition
[18:31:49] <mikeh623> estibi - no, i was readihng on freeNAS
[18:32:02] * delewis isn't familiar with EFI
[18:32:05] <_syphilis_> (cuz efi doesn't suck like dos fdisk partitions did)
[18:32:41] <mikeh623> i'm disappointed then that my bios as of 10/06 doesn't support it
[18:33:58] <delewis> it's "good" to see that x86 is finally starting to mature into a decent platform.
[18:34:03] <delewis> (after how many years..)
[18:34:40] <plugboy> lol @ delewis
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[18:42:56] <mikeh623> while i'm playin with this, anyone know how to fixmbr on an os x only disk? yea, i like creating problems....
[18:48:09] <astinus> right, so is anyone here familiar with ATA-over-Ethernet by any chance? :)
[18:48:53] <astinus> I noted I could export drives (ie: /dev/sda4) over AoE, using something under Linux called 'vbladed'
[18:49:02] <astinus> Wondered if there was any way to do this under Solaris?
[18:49:17] <astinus> (Preferably exporting ZFS)
[18:49:20] <_syphilis_> astinus: any reason you can't use iSCSI?
[18:49:26] <astinus> _syphilis_: yes, cost.
[18:49:44] <_syphilis_> cost of what?
[18:49:47] <jamesd_> he likes  A's in his acronyms ;-p
[18:50:37] <astinus> _syphilis_: well, for the short term it'd work fine
[18:50:41] <delewis> iSCSI is expensive because it has SCSI in it.
[18:50:50] <delewis> [sic]
[18:50:53] * astinus laughs
[18:51:28] <astinus> but AoE looked to have lower overheads
[18:53:13] <astinus> i saw a iSCSI implementation the other day, which was using TCP offload cards
[18:53:38] <astinus> and figured AoE wouldn't require those, so would end up cheaper?
[18:54:01] <_syphilis_> hm, how did you figure that?
[18:54:08] <jamesd_> sounds like its more expensive in cpu power if it doesn't support   tcp offload
[18:54:27] <astinus> iSCSI requires using both the IP and TCP protocol layers
[18:54:38] <astinus> on top of ethernet
[18:54:47] <astinus> whereas AoE doesnt
[18:55:01] <astinus> jamesd is correct, I'm trying for a "poor mans" storage solution
[18:55:33] <astinus> and suspect my SATA array and the storage server would get nailed, once 3-4 initiators are connected to it (were I using iSCSI)
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[18:55:55] <delewis> you do have a GigE, right?
[18:56:09] <_syphilis_> hm, my impression would be that a poor man's array isn't going to saturate the TCP processing power of a typical CPU
[18:56:12] <astinus> delewis: yeah, the storage box has 4 * 1000Mbit
[18:56:15] <_syphilis_> but then i don't do much storage stuff, so..
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[18:57:05] <astinus> delewis: Array is 8 * 400GB drives, connected to a SATA controller, RAID-Z
[19:00:57] * astinus goes to make coffee
[19:01:49] <astinus> end goal is to use this SXCR box as my storage, and I have a pair of IA64 Linux systems running Xen .. I'd like their guests to use AoE or iSCSI, so I can test Live Migrate functions
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[19:14:38] <mikeh623> okay, well, i formatted all 3 drives and changed their types and it still hangs at the bios...
[19:15:29] <jamesd_> format -e    to get rid of the  efi lables
[19:15:38] <estibi> mikeh623: try something like this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/your_disk
[19:16:24] <mikeh623> i probably did it a ghetto way, but thought it would work, i used a linux disk to fdisk the 3 drives, changed their types, formatted, guess that was wrong
[19:16:29] <estibi> dd if=/dev/zero of=/your_disk_to_zeroed...
[19:17:24] <mikeh623> where am i to run these commands? hotplug the drives to get into solaris?
[19:17:39] <mihaic> estibi: without a bs=1024 or something it might take forever ;)
[19:17:57] <estibi> mihaic:
[19:18:02] <estibi> yes, b
[19:18:12] <estibi> but it erase all disk
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[19:28:12] <estibi> i don't know efi, but what if that bios try read something at the end of disk
[19:28:29] <estibi> try to *
[19:29:27] <estibi> mikeh623: with full ZEROed disk it shoult work
[19:31:31] <Stric> or just run format -e  and change partition type
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[20:50:40] <Pedro> Hello! I recently downloaded Solaris Express 12/06. I tried to burn it on a DVD+RW, but the disk was empty after the burn. However I can clearly see that the disk has been burned. Any ideas?
[20:51:51] <jamesd_> perhaps the dvd++rw is not compatible with the dvd rom drive you are using...
[20:51:52] <mihaic> checksum it
[20:51:57] <jamesd_> did you check the checksums
[20:53:18] <Pedro> I used Nero 6 on windows xp for burning. I did the md5 checksum for the final iso. I used the same DVD-drive for checking the content after.
[20:54:13] <jamesd_> perhaps your bios doesn't like dvd+rw's .... have you booted  dvd+rw
[20:54:18] <jamesd_> 's in the past
[20:54:27] <mihaic> You should md5 the iso and the cd/dvd after burning. Anyway, just burn another.
[20:54:42] <mihaic> And as jamesd_ said, maybe you should try a regular dvd+-r
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[20:55:52] <Pedro> I don't have a lot of experince with DVD+RW. It could be the bios.
[20:56:20] <mihaic> Could be it wasn't burned right in the first place
[20:56:53] <Pedro> jamesd: So no I haven't booted DVD+rw before
[20:56:58] <nrubsig> !seen cdik
[20:57:00] <Drone> I've never seen cdik talk in #opensolaris.
[20:57:07] <nrubsig> !seen casper.dik
[20:57:09] <Drone> I've never seen casper.dik talk in #opensolaris.
[20:57:20] <nrubsig> !seen lordoftheflies
[20:57:21] <Drone> I've never seen lordoftheflies talk in #opensolaris.
[20:57:27] <nrubsig> !seen satan
[20:57:28] <Drone> satan (satan!n=chatzill at p54AE763C dot dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 03 Mar 2006 16:21 GMT, saying 'buh!'.
[20:57:35] <jamesd_> !seen  casper.the.ghost
[20:57:37] <Drone> I've never seen casper.the.ghost talk in #opensolaris.
[20:57:38] <mihaic> *g*
[20:57:46] <Pedro> So how do I md5sum a burned cd/dvd?
[20:58:09] <nrubsig> Pedro: /usr/sfw/bin/openssl md5 path_to_iso_image_blabla
[20:58:16] <TFKyle> Pedro: can you md5sum the device?
[20:58:17] <mihaic> Well, you can either dd an image and digest that, or just digest the thing directly
[20:58:32] <mihaic> No idea how you'd do that in Windows though Pedro.
[20:58:33] <nrubsig> oh
[20:58:36] <TFKyle> ah, dd would work
[20:58:46] <mihaic> Cygwin/md5 might work though.
[20:58:53] <nrubsig> mihaic: digesting a _burned_ CD image is tricky
[20:59:29] <mihaic> nrubsig: nah, should work fine.
[20:59:48] <delewis> mihaic, I think he was being sarcastic.
[20:59:51] <hali> tricky?! isn't cdr quite straightforward?
[20:59:56] <delewis> as in actual, physical digestion.
[21:00:04] <mihaic> Oh :)
[21:00:06] <BadKarma> minchia...
[21:00:09] <mihaic> hehe
[21:00:34] <hali> cdr even uses the solaris cdrw priv..
[21:00:55] <delewis> you mean 'cdrw'
[21:02:26] <nrubsig> mihaic: I am not sure. THe problem is that the length of the returned data may likely not match the size of the iso image.
[21:02:31] <hali> indeed i do
[21:02:54] <hali> i found it much better than cdrecord syntax-wsie
[21:03:10] <delewis> nrubsig, I've never had that happen.
[21:03:21] <nrubsig> delewis: no, I was not sarcastic in this case. Block rouding may cause trouble.
[21:03:29] 
[21:03:51] 
[21:03:53] <nrubsig> :-)
[21:03:54] <nrubsig> :-)
[21:04:13] <mihaic> heh
[21:04:45] <hali> its not my fault sun wrote a better tool :)
[21:05:09] <delewis> cdrecord isn't that bad syntax-wise.
[21:05:10] <mihaic> nrubsig: that would be odd though. Never happened here. And dd should create exact images _all_ the time also. But what you say may be true I guess.
[21:05:33] <delewis> I usually just do 'cdrecord -vvv driveropts=burnfree dev=<blah> foo.iso'
[21:05:36] <mihaic> Yeah, it's pretty easy.
[21:05:43] <mihaic> growisofs has a worse syntax
[21:05:44] <delewis> I do think the syntax is pretty inconsistent, though.
[21:05:45] <nrubsig> hali: I expect that your head may be removed from the neck before sunrise.
[21:05:55] <nrubsig> slowly
[21:05:59] <delewis> some options require -'s; others do not.
[21:06:49] * delewis would like one of those Acard ATAPI/SCSI bridges, so he could throw a DVD burner in his SB1000.
[21:07:02] <delewis> I'm getting tired of having to keep a peecee around to burn media.
[21:07:26] * nrubsig has a laptop for burning.
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[21:07:53] * Auralis uses a usb burner for that
[21:08:09] <mihaic> peecees behave... strangely while burning stuff sometimes.
[21:08:12] <LinuxTitan> I can't boot. init_spec_child: parent=pseudo, bad spec (zconsnex)
[21:08:15] <delewis> well, I've already got a DVD burner, I just need one of the bridges.
[21:08:19] <mihaic> Especially if they encounter errors. They tent to freeze.
[21:08:26] <delewis> they run around $60, and you get SCSI device reliability and functionality.
[21:08:33] <delewis> no lame buffering issues.
[21:08:34] <Pedro> Is there something special about DVD+RW? Does the filename of the iso matter?
[21:08:41] <LinuxTitan> my laptop has a built in super multi dvd drive heh
[21:08:42] <mihaic> No
[21:08:47] <LinuxTitan> any ideas as to what is causing that error?
[21:08:50] <nrubsig> Auralis: are you completely mad ? USB burner ? How the hell does it work without a stable datarate ?
[21:09:31] <Auralis> nrubsig: well, its a usb2 and feed from a firewire disk, works actually better then the internal drives in the blade 1000
[21:09:44] <nrubsig> The person who intented the USB burner thing has hereby qualified himself for a quick&painless execution via komodo dragons (no ropes included)
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[21:10:11] <nrubsig> Auralis: that's only because Sun ships crappy drives in the blade1000/2000
[21:10:22] <delewis> yes, Toshiba garbage.
[21:10:25] <nrubsig> Once in my live I wish Sun would ship the SF6900 with good drives.
[21:10:37] <jamesd_> didn't know fc-al drives could be crappy?
[21:10:45] <Auralis> umm, those are seagates, just old because the 1000er is old
[21:10:57] <nrubsig> For that price they could (in theory) provide sold-state disks
[21:11:00] <delewis> oh, the disks.
[21:11:03] <delewis> they're quite nice.
[21:11:08] <nrubsig> but slow
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[21:11:10] <nrubsig> and noisy
[21:11:13] <delewis> I can get around 50MB/s sequentially off of them.
[21:11:16] <delewis> nrubsig, hardly.
[21:11:24] <nrubsig> delewis: ?!
[21:11:41] <delewis> nrubsig, a 1Gb/s FC-AL disk spinning at 10,000RPM is *not* slow.
[21:11:56] <nrubsig> delewis: don't you notice the <klonk><klonk><klonk> thing every 30secs ?
[21:12:01] <delewis> nrubsig, ugh.
[21:12:05] <Pedro> I guess I have to sacrifice a DVD+R to check and see.
[21:12:10] <delewis> have relevant information before you gripe, nrubsig .
[21:12:15] <delewis> turn power management off.
[21:12:29] <delewis>  /etc/power.conf
[21:12:35] <nrubsig> delewis: I did that already.
[21:12:43] <nrubsig> Still <klonk><klonk><klonk>
[21:12:49] <delewis> nrubsig, your drive is fucked then.
[21:12:54] <delewis> I experience no such problems with mine.
[21:12:56] <nrubsig> hurray!
[21:13:08] <nrubsig> Another f*cked d*ive.
[21:13:15] <nrubsig> ******
[21:13:28] <nrubsig> ** ******* ***** ******** ******** ***** ********* ***** ****.
[21:13:42] <nrubsig> xx@@!!!
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[21:14:53] <nrubsig> ?????????????
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[21:16:27] <nrubsig> Is Moniak Gosh here ?
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[21:18:09] <nrubsig> Who runs MarTux ?
[21:18:34] <jamesd_> martin .. i booted it, but nothing more.
[21:18:51] <nrubsig> jamesd_: nickname ?
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[21:19:33] <jamesd_> it was martin  something but i don't remember exactly
[21:20:04] <nrubsig> jamesd_: martin bochning.... but I was thinking about his irc nick...
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[21:20:37] <jamesd_> he hasn't been on irc for a while
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[21:25:43] <nrubsig> Are any Nextgenta people around ?
[21:26:02] <_syphilis_> you mean nexenta?
[21:26:03] <trygvis> try #gnusol
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[21:31:48] <iakovz> moo
[21:33:51] <nrubsig> iakovz: PENG!
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[21:34:12] <nrubsig> Hurray, I shot my meal myself today. Another dead cow!
[21:34:29] <mihaic> You _shot_ your cow?
[21:34:40] * nrubsig drags iakovz's dead corpse into a secure edge.
[21:34:49] <mihaic> Must be a European Union thing. Most people just gut them
[21:34:50] <nrubsig> mihaic: I shot a cow.
[21:35:14] <nrubsig> mihaic: just came in as iakovz , made a "moo" and I shot her.
[21:35:43] <mihaic> Heh, just noticed.
[21:35:46] <mihaic> (just shot his pig)
[21:35:48] <nrubsig> mihaic: what do you expect ? We're in europe... winter... food shortage.
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[21:39:46] <iakovz> :)
[21:39:55] <nrubsig> PENG!
[21:39:58] <nrubsig> Damn beast.
[21:40:16] <mihaic> Ever seen a shot pig running around on fire?
[21:40:23] <iakovz> BOOM BOOM
[21:43:10] <nrubsig> iakovz: great last words!
[21:43:20] <nrubsig> Who wants the hips if iakovz ?
[21:43:26] <trygvis> o/
[21:43:31] <nrubsig> s/if/of/
[21:43:35] * Error_404 is confused
[21:43:44] <mihaic> Error_404: are you 404-ing? :P)
[21:43:58] * iakovz pokes mihaic
[21:44:18] <mihaic> poke poke poke...
[21:44:23] <iakovz> ok, going to return to the net installaion on my crappy laptop...
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[21:46:16] <Error_404> a craptop, even
[21:46:46] <mihaic> Could be worse. You could be building X on pentium mmx :)
[21:48:21] <iakovz> huh
[21:49:02] <iakovz> my DVD drive just got out of work. darn with this optical shit.
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[21:49:51] <iakovz> and now i want to install solaris via net. i have other option to take HDD out of "craptop" and connect it to the "big brother" via 2"->3" connector
[21:50:14] <iakovz> but it's annys me much 'cause i 'l need to do many *unconfigures all the way..
[21:51:22] <Error_404> not really
[21:51:29] <Error_404> just install it, and don't boot with the drive
[21:51:37] <iakovz> aha! :)
[21:51:52] <Error_404> the installer touches /reconfigure as one of the last things it does
[21:52:30] <iakovz> hm, i think i will not be able to boot because of differences in /devices
[21:52:31] <iakovz> ..
[21:52:42] <iakovz> but i should take a try..
[21:53:00] <iakovz> rather shithead try. net install has more street creds ;
[21:53:02] <iakovz> ;)
[21:57:05] <iakovz> brb[rebooting]
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[22:02:31] <BadKarma> sup logic
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[22:19:33] <PerterB> tada... finally got solaris in a parallels VM working fullscreen... it's been so long since I had to edit a xorg.conf file I forgot what a pain they are
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[23:00:03] <mikeh623> how's everyone doing?
[23:01:00] <asarch> A little bit boring
[23:01:05] <asarch> How is it getting along?
[23:01:24] <mikeh623> well, i just installed solaris again
[23:01:49] <mikeh623> now, i need a bit of help to make sure i do this right, i need to make slices on each drive that cover the whole drive for zfs to use w/o marking the drives efi
[23:04:48] <mikeh623> i'm not sure how to make a slice though
[23:05:26] <Error_404> format(1M)
[23:05:52] <mikeh623> yea i'm reading that
[23:05:53] <Error_404> it lets you run fdisk(1M)
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[23:11:30] <mikeh623> all i keep seeing is create partition, and thats not what i want, correct? i need a slice in the partition or something
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[23:12:26] <PerterB> the problem with format(1m) is that it uses "partition" where it really means "slice", for hysterical reasons
[23:13:09] <mikeh623> yea, i'd call that a problem to the ignorant like myself, i just learned here earlier that they're not one in the same, so when i see partition everywhere, i think i'm in the wrong place
[23:13:48] <PerterB> yeah, I agree it's confusing at first
[23:14:03] <mikeh623> so if i go through format and fdisk on a say c1d0, and create a partition, i'll be able to get a slice like c1d0s1 ?
[23:14:30] <mikeh623> i need to make sure the disk isn't labeled efi when i make the pool because my bios won't boot it
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[23:16:09] <PerterB> yeah, so use fdisk to create a whole disk partition (either from the command line or the fdisk option in format), then use the partition menu in format to create slices... that should label the disk correctly
[23:16:30] <PerterB> by "whole disk partition" I mean a solaris partition spanning the entire disk
[23:16:33] <cneira> im using a linux zone to port some sco apps to linux , is there any tarball for a rhel4 distro instead of centos3
[23:18:13] <mikeh623> solaris2 ?
[23:18:26] <PerterB> yeah
[23:19:14] <Error_404> mikeh623, if you don't use the whole disk, it's not portable
[23:19:24] <Error_404> my bios had a way of turning off drives
[23:19:30] <astinus> "This restriction will be removed in a future release of ZFS, which will support evacuating data from a disk to enable it to be removed."
[23:19:43] <astinus> Is that going to be the next version of ZFS, thus supporting shrinking RAID-Z pools?
[23:19:56] <Error_404> so i have 2 drives where i explicitly told the bios there was nothing connected, in order that it continues to boot
[23:19:57] <astinus> If so, is there an ETA on that being beta or completed? :)
[23:20:43] <mikeh623> Error_404 I kinda know what you mean, but won't that disable the sata controller for example and solaris won't be able to boot it?
[23:21:20] <Error_404> you can't boot off zfs anyways
[23:21:27] <PerterB> mikeh623: actually I don't think solaris vs solaris2 matters if you are dedicating the disk to solaris... I just noticed on my x86 machine one disk is solaris, the other solaris2... I think the issue arises because there is a conflict something like linux swap using the same id as the original solaris one
[23:22:05] <Error_404> PerterB, and a flaky linux kernel will spew swap all over your solaris partition
[23:22:06] <mikeh623> Error, right, but i mean, if i disable it in the bios, will it even be usable?
[23:22:15] <Error_404> mikeh623, it was on my machine, ymmv
[23:22:25] <Error_404> SiS controller
[23:23:26] <PerterB> Error_404: right... but that's a non-issue if the disk is dedicated to solaris (as I said)
[23:23:34] <mikeh623> so you're recommending forgetting the partitioning/slicing, just make the pool (like i did yesterday) and allow the drives to be marked efi? but i should go into the bios before this so it wont' hang and i'll have to unplug them
[23:24:21] <Error_404> mikeh623, yeah, I'd try that first
[23:24:42] <Error_404> but what i'd try, and the right way of doing things, may not corrolate well
[23:25:33] <mikeh623> i like the right way, but also just the way that works, i'm very ready to close up the case and put the box where its meant to stay
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[23:34:59] <mikeh623> i think it worked, but i won't know until i make the pool
[23:35:09] <mikeh623> but i disabled them in the bios, they didn't show in detection
[23:35:19] <mikeh623> but they show when i look at what disks i have in a term window
[23:35:59] <jamesd_> devfsadm
[23:36:20] <jamesd_> will scan faor drives in the system
[23:36:23] <jamesd_> er for
[23:36:55] <mikeh623> so then this solution should work just fine, turn them off as far as the bios is concerned cuz solaris will pick them up itself
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[23:40:54] <iakovz> Error_404, well, i'v installed it as you said via 2"->3" connector and *haven't* booted from that HDD
[23:41:34] <iakovz> i installed it back to craptop, but when i select normal boot from GRUB it simply reboots. :(
[23:43:01] <iakovz> and where are these cows killers?!
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[23:44:59] <LinuxTitan> error on boot... init_spec_child: parent=pseudo, bad spec (zconsnex)
[23:45:03] <LinuxTitan> anyone have an idea?
[23:45:36] <LinuxTitan> this is with solaris 10
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[23:47:59] <iakovz> huh
[23:48:07] <LinuxTitan> ?
[23:49:08] <iakovz> Error_404, are you here?
[23:49:16] <Error_404> yeah
[23:49:25] <Error_404> i dunno, does safe-boot work?
[23:49:31] <iakovz> yes.
[23:49:48] <iakovz> i think it must always work..
[23:49:57] <iakovz> it was made for this purpuse
[23:51:29] <Doc> annyone here on SWAN at the moment?
[23:51:43] <iakovz> Error_404, well, to be honest i think i know what's the problem - i have /dev/dsk/c0d0s0 [my /] poining to the ../pci-ide at 2,5 dot .
[23:51:53] <iakovz> (on safe mode)
[23:52:01] <Sieghard[laptop]> i cannot login to smc as root, does anyone have an idea why?
[23:52:21] <iakovz> and on my "/" it points ../pci-ide@1f,1
[23:52:32] <cneira> anyone has used a linux zone to develop ?
[23:52:39] <iakovz> (which is used during start up AFAIU)
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[23:54:44] <Error_404> iakovz, there is a way to rebuild /dev, but i don't know it
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[23:56:33] <PerterB> devfsadm -C
[23:56:42] <iakovz> darn, it reboots all the way...
[23:57:03] <iakovz> PerterB, does it work when i m on safemode?
[23:57:12] <iakovz> i mean in chroot
[23:57:29] <PerterB> hmm, no idea... worth a try though
[23:58:04] <cneira> brandz is suitable for production or is too soon ?
[23:58:11] <iakovz> hehe, i think the shitheadiest way is to just copy /dev/ from safe mode...
[23:58:16] <iakovz> gotta love it





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