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[00:51:14] <sahafeez> help.
[00:51:20] <sahafeez> got a ide pci card that is in the hcl
[00:51:21] <sahafeez> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/components/details/999.html
[00:51:28] <sahafeez> follow the write-up
[00:51:55] <sahafeez> rebooted (with -v) system hung at pseudo1 is /pseudo/zconsnex@1
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[02:34:50] <sniffy> Has anyone experienced any bugs using php 5.2.0 after putting in patch 120543-07 (the _LARGEFILE_SOURCE and _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 stuff). Does all libraries need to be recompiled for php to function under the patched apache (recompiled with CFLAGS of course).
[02:35:36] <sniffy> (it's allegedly the same for build ++46)
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[02:56:45] <sahafeez> anyone around?
[02:57:27] <sniffy> sahafeez, Well me.
[02:57:35] <sniffy> sahafeez, Just pissed at patch# 120543-07
[02:58:01] <sahafeez> hum. i am just generally pissed @ this point.
[02:58:13] <sniffy> At what in particular?
[02:58:54] <sahafeez> less you are a driver hardware wiz..
[02:59:10] <sahafeez> pci ide controllors that are on the hcl not working and stopping booting
[02:59:18] <sniffy> Meeps.
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[03:02:25] <sahafeez> !seen jamesd
[03:02:26] <Drone> jamesd is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Wed 27 Dec 2006 04:01 GMT, saying 'nope, you have to recreate them'.
[03:12:26] <sahafeez> anyone? will an boot from dvd hang on Configuring /dev if there is something it does not like, or will it just take a long time. does # of disk matter. i have a system with 4x320 disk that i am booting on. i am worried it is seeing those and looking at them for a bit...
[03:34:28] <sahafeez> solaris can be dumbass sometimes. boot - login before dt, eeprom, touch, reboot -- -r and it still runs dtlogin
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[04:10:13] <elektronkind> add -v to the boot flags and see where it's hanging
[04:18:38] <boyd> Anyone know star well here?
[04:19:14] * boyd wonders where schily is when he's needed
[04:20:55] <boyd> I think I've managed to create an archive where the first "a" of every filename is turned into an "s" in the archive I don't know how.
[04:22:05] <jteo> boyd: intriguing.
[04:22:25] <boyd> yeah... It's also my only copy... so I'm a little concerned.
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[05:33:03] <FireflyST> hey, can anyone tell me a command line utility to play a wav file in Solaris?
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[05:40:38] <axisys> FireflyST: pkg-get install mplayer
[05:41:49] <FireflyST> ok
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[06:35:34] <FireflyST> well, that worked.  I got another question now :)
[06:36:13] <FireflyST> I'm getting an error that xscreensaver won't start when I log in.  Does anyone know why that might be the case?
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[07:40:30] <MikeTLive> any suggestions for running on a T43 that is already installed with WinXPpro? - or links to someone elses trials and tribulations?
[07:40:57] <MikeTLive> <ThinkPadT43>
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[08:09:34] <axisys> FireflyST: this should tell u `cat ~/.dt/errorlog'
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[08:32:04] <FireflyST> OK, here's the error message:
[08:32:06] <FireflyST> There was an error starting up the screensaver:
[08:32:07] <FireflyST> Failed to execute child process "xscreensaver" (No such file or directory)
[08:32:08] <FireflyST> Screensaver functionality will not work in this session.
[08:32:37] <FireflyST> it works fine when I log into the windowsession as root, just not the user I created
[08:32:47] <FireflyST> and the logfile you suggested wasn't there
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[10:07:11] <quasi> MikeTLive: in vmware would be a simple way ;)
[10:08:36] <loren> nv_54.  I can push the volume down past 0 using my headset's buttons.  This throws on mute.
[10:09:55] <loren> nv_54.  I can only access simple gui applications and blastwave gui applications.  Something's wrong with Gnome?
[10:09:58] <bougie> hello :)
[10:10:21] <loren> hey.
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[10:27:24] <cmihai> loren: nope. Something wrong with you :P
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[10:45:32] <asyd> \_o<
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[11:14:58] <Griffous> does anyone have any performance tips for storedge 3510s, I've spent all day, and night on this at work, and I'm ready to throw the thing out
[11:16:10] <Doc> whats the problem?
[11:17:07] <Griffous> I have 8 disks in a raid1 (really 1+0), giving performance around the same as a single disk in the same array
[11:17:44] <Griffous> the hosts are 4100s running ESX3, with qlogic 2GB HBAs, directly connected to san
[11:17:48] <Doc> for what type of accesses?
[11:18:29] <Griffous> I've been using IOzone, to give a range of workloads. even sequential I/O is struggling to do 45MB/Sec though
[11:20:18] <Doc> what firmware version? have you tried with solaris to make sure the problem is actually the array?
[11:20:31] <Griffous> Ideally, I'd try 'native' access, rather then via a VM, but I only have the 2x 4100s, and they're already installed. It's going to be a real pain re-installing one of the just to test with a different OS
[11:20:34] <Griffous> 4.15F
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[11:23:08] <Griffous> I guess if I break the onboard mirror, I may be able to get away with re-installing on one disk, then swapping back and rebuilding
[11:23:43] <Griffous> have you worked with those arrays before?
[11:25:21] <Doc> yes, a fair bit
[11:27:27] <Griffous> what performance have you had out of them?
[11:28:27] <Griffous> The really troubling bit is that a single disk (or at least a 2 disk raid0) is performing just as well as the full 8 disks, on the host side I'm not seeing any queuing, and I just can't find the bottleneck
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[11:28:56] <Berny> well, writing 1G to a 3510 raid5 took 7.27 secs
[11:29:17] <Griffous> Berny, can you tell me more about your setup?
[11:29:44] <Berny> running sol10 on a v880, 1gb fc/al hba
[11:30:16] <Griffous> what speed/size disks, and how many?
[11:31:23] <Ludo_> last week I got 2.6GB/s with sequential i/o on a raid3 array with solaris10
[11:31:29] <Berny> 12 146gb disks
[11:32:40] <Griffous> hmm, and they would be 10k disks I assume?
[11:33:03] <Berny> Firmware Version     ?3.27R
[11:33:26] <Berny> SEAGATE ST314680FSUN146G they are
[11:34:22] <Griffous> Berny, can you do me a favour, try again with a much bigger file to eliminate the 1GB cache benefit on the array?
[11:35:08] <Berny> sure#
[11:37:21] <Berny> root.helios-int /export/home # time mkfile 10G bla
[11:37:21] <Berny> 1.63u 63.68s 1:26.17 75.7%
[11:37:58] <Berny> makes ~120MB/s
[11:38:26] <Griffous> thanks, now I just need to work out why the !#$ mine won't do that
[11:39:29] <Griffous> Ludo_, that was also on a 3510?
[11:39:50] <Berny> Griffous: just to remind you, i'm running raid5 on the 3510
[11:39:53] <Griffous> Berny, what HBA are you using, and did you have to do anything speciaal with it?
[11:40:53] <Berny> qlogic 1gbit fc/al hba that is
[11:41:18] <Ludo_> Griffous: no there was 160 drives with a s2a9550 from DataDirect Networks
[11:41:45] <Griffous> Berny, so you'll be hitting the HBA limit, nice :)
[11:41:57] <Berny> SUNW,qlc-pci1077,2312.1077.10a.2 should be this one
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[11:42:24] * Berny has a shiny new 4gbit qlogic hba lying around waiting :-)
[11:43:03] <Griffous> do you have another san kicking around to use it with?
[11:43:24] <Berny> nope
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[11:43:34] <Griffous> thats a shame!
[11:44:17] <Berny> just another 3510 on a SF4800 (same hba)
[11:44:28] <Berny> so that comes out about the same.
[11:44:54] <Berny> and a 3511 jbod still unpacked, waiting to become a zpool 8-)
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[11:45:26] * Griffous growls
[11:46:26] <Griffous> is your v880 access the 12 disks via one path, as one big lun?
[11:47:50] <Berny> it has 2 paths (i'm only using one at the moment - tripped over the second fibre cable) i have 3 luns on the volume
[11:48:33] <cmihai> Hm... any ideas on how to get the uptime of a system that doesn't have dmesg/sysctl/uptime and all that?
[11:48:38] <cmihai> It's BSD 4.3-Tahoe :{
[11:48:46] <Griffous> w?
[11:48:56] <Berny> last?
[11:48:58] <cmihai> Neh, doesn't have that
[11:49:20] <Griffous> Berny, what fs is mounted on /export/home? ufs or zfs?
[11:49:30] <_syphilis_> i'm sure i remember 4.3 having w
[11:49:31] <cmihai> It's probably running for some 15 years or something.. heh
[11:49:37] <Griffous> hehe
[11:49:41] <Berny> ufs
[11:49:42] <cmihai> Since it was UPSed and all that...
[11:50:01] <richlowe> adb and look at lbolt ;)
[11:50:25] <cmihai> Nope, that won't work :)
[11:50:46] <_syphilis_> hmm, it's documented in Reno as well.  maybe it came with the posix stuff
[11:51:23] <Griffous> well I guess I'm going to have to find a box to swap the qlogic card into, and try that over the weekend
[11:51:43] <cmihai> Reno is newer that Tahoe.. so...
[11:51:47] <cmihai> It might not be in Tahoe
[11:52:06] <_syphilis_> freebsd also documents it as dating to 3.0BSD.  but the reno manpage doesn't say that, so it may not be reliable
[11:52:31] <_syphilis_> maybe someone deleted it to save disk space :)
[11:53:04] <cmihai> sar...
[11:53:08] <cmihai> It has sar!
[11:53:20] <cmihai> Now if it would only work...
[11:54:08] <cmihai> _syphilis_: could be, I *think* it's a MicroVax III :)
[11:54:35] <Griffous> Berny, what are my changes of getting a 'show configuration' from you? It would really help me out
[11:54:40] <_syphilis_> oh, UselessVAX :)
[11:54:51] <Griffous> *chances
[11:55:12] <Griffous> you can tell I've been at a keyboard way too long today!
[11:55:19] <_syphilis_> cmihai: or possibly it's in /etc?
[11:55:34] <cmihai>  Could be... some binaries there too..
[11:55:37] * cmihai pokes around
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[11:56:56] <PerterB> w was in 4.2BSD for sure, possibly 4.1 as well
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[11:57:11] <cmihai> Well, it
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[11:57:22] <cmihai> 's not in this one, so it was either deleted or just not there
[11:57:49] <PerterB> unlucky :)
[11:59:11] <PerterB> depending how full wtmp is and whether it's been cycled, you might be able to see the last boot time by using last
[11:59:31] <cmihai> If there is a last :)
[11:59:48] <PerterB> yes
[12:02:02] <cmihai> 13:58:11 WET 2001
[12:02:07] <cmihai> Bah, not even worth the trouble
[12:02:34] <PerterB> :)
[12:14:51] <astinus> Any news on when ZFS may support modifying RAID-Z stuff? ie: Yanking some devices from a pool which is raidz2
[12:15:11] <delewis> astinus, that was scheduled for S10u3, I think, but obviously, that never happened
[12:15:31] <astinus> delewis: Just enquiring, as its something I'd *really* like for Christmas :P
[12:15:33] <delewis> right now, support for it is not even in Solaris Express
[12:15:34] * astinus grins
[12:16:06] <delewis> and when it does happen, the only thing you'll be able to do is expand it by adding disks to the pool
[12:16:10] <delewis> no shrink support
[12:16:47] <astinus> I have a pool, with two RAID-Z arrays in it, each of eight disks
[12:17:12] <astinus> and its not really fully utilized, so I wanted to pull eight disks :P
[12:17:17] <delewis> right now the only way you can expand a RAID-Z storage pool is by detaching and attaching a larger disk.
[12:17:22] <delewis> ah.
[12:17:33] <delewis> yeah, you can't do that, not even on a striped pool.
[12:17:45] <astinus> Total size of the pool is 4.2TB
[12:17:52] <astinus> and I've only used about 1TB of it :x
[12:18:25] <delewis> heh, I have trouble using all the space in my 400GB array.
[12:18:25] <astinus> Can you offline devices from a RAID-Z backed pool?
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[12:24:36] <delewis> yes
[12:25:40] <astinus> What's the potential downside? Presumably you can only offline 1-2
[12:26:12] <delewis> you can only offline 1 with raidz and 2 with raidz2
[12:26:47] <delewis> the downside is that it throws the pool into a degraded state, and IO performance is impacted, given every block on the offline'd drive has to be reconstructed from the parity.
[12:27:02] <delewis> every block you access, anyway.
[12:27:09] * astinus hrms
[12:27:32] <cmihai> Backup to tape, recreate it the way you want, restore.
[12:27:39] <astinus> It sucks to consider this, but my only option may be to attach a 1TB NAS, shunt all the data off the zpool, destroy and recreate with less disks.
[12:27:50] <delewis> that's the safest way.
[12:27:59] <cmihai> You'll want to backup regardless
[12:28:16] * astinus nods
[12:28:35] <cmihai> 1TB.. that's 2 tapes anywho
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[12:29:11] * delewis wishes he could upgrade his 18GB disks to 36GB or 73GB disks.
[12:29:25] <cmihai> SCSI :)
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[12:29:34] <cmihai> 143 disk here, and they're a PITA
[12:29:36] <delewis> fibre-channel, but close enough.
[12:29:47] <cmihai> Costs a fortune to replce one
[12:30:04] 
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[12:30:32] <delewis> I'm guessing 250 quid ~= 600 USD
[12:30:38] <cmihai> Something like that
[12:30:41] <delewis> which is what I've seen 143GB UltraSCSI 320 disks going for.
[12:30:42] <cmihai> Was 500 Euro here..
[12:30:55] <astinus> delewis: 250GBP is about 475USD
[12:31:06] <delewis> oh, better than I thought.
[12:31:09] <astinus> delewis: and were your 143GB 10k or 15k?
[12:31:12] <delewis> those were prices from last year, anyway.
[12:31:16] <delewis> astinus, 10k.
[12:31:19] * astinus nods
[12:33:32] <astinus> heh, *damn* LTO3 drives aren't cheap :x
[12:33:37] <cmihai> Hehe
[12:33:42] <cmihai> What did you expect :)
[12:33:47] <astinus> anyone fancy loaning me one for 72 hours? :)
[12:33:56] <delewis> we were still using LTO and upgrading to LTO2 at the last shop I worked at.
[12:34:05] * astinus nods
[12:34:20] <delewis> and that was a healthcare shopped where *everything* has to be backed up
[12:34:34] <delewis> ~ 250TB storage pools in the tape library.
[12:35:09] <astinus> someone selling a nice 9.6TB LTO2 autoloader on eBay for $5700, heh
[12:35:16] <Doc> i had about 500Tb in a library using DLT8k
[12:35:57] <delewis> this was just a single frame IBM 3584 and a much smaller 3583.
[12:36:00] <Doc> the size of some of the libaries some of our guys are installing now are scary...  one they did last week is 12 metres long
[12:36:10] <delewis> Doc, that is scary.
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[12:37:50] <Doc> SL8500. up to 6,500 carts, at 400Gb each (native)
[12:38:11] <cmihai> Damn
[12:38:12] <Doc> so about 5petabytes compressed
[12:38:25] <cmihai> What the funk
[12:38:54] <cmihai> That's huge ;\
[12:39:08] <astinus> they're backing up the planet :x
[12:39:19] <cmihai> What the hell are they storeing, the Internets?
[12:40:09] <quasi> I'm currently looking at buying the small model SL8500 - those can grow pretty far as well ;)
[12:42:13] <quasi> LTO Gen 3 (300,000 carts, 400 GB/cart) - 120 PB
[12:42:27] <quasi> in the max config
[12:43:31] <quasi> hmm, could even go to 150PB with T10000
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[12:54:55] <Griffous> I hope they have some 4500s built in for 1st level backups, 5PB is all very well, but even at compressed lto-3 speed, I can't quite see that fitting into the nighty backup window
[12:55:30] <Doc> that's what SANs are for
[12:56:45] <Griffous> heh, don't tell that to my 3510 :)
[12:59:38] <quasi> Griffous: that's just a question of having enough tape drives and enough bw on your backup lan ;)
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[13:00:33] <dinolinux> how can i change the screen resolution with Xsun?
[13:01:54] <Fish> hello
[13:03:03] <Griffous> hi Fish
[13:03:28] <cmihai> Try kdmconfig(1M) dinolinux.
[13:05:30] <dinolinux> where is it located?
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[13:07:35] <tthorpe> anyone not lurking?
[13:08:07] <Griffous> er..
[13:11:04] <dinolinux> hmm
[13:11:14] <dinolinux> is kdmconfig onlu available for x86?
[13:11:21] <dinolinux> only
[13:11:52] <lasseoe> yes
[13:12:05] <lasseoe> try fbconfig on sparc
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[13:22:42] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
[13:22:56] <tthorpe> where is the newb corner...I got a new X2100 and haven't a clue where to start...
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[13:23:19] <tthorpe> I need to switch the damn thing so I don't have to use the serial port to configure it...
[13:23:22] <edwardocallaghan> What do you need help on, I have limited...
[13:23:23] <tthorpe> things aren't going well.
[13:23:27] <lasseoe> tthorpe: the docs that came with it perhaps
[13:23:30] <lasseoe> and docs.sun.com
[13:23:55] <tthorpe> yeah, the docs don't help in this case, they point me to a db9 serial null modem cable that I don't have...
[13:23:59] <trygvis> http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2006/12/27/the-top-ten-astronomy-images-of-2006/
[13:24:02] <trygvis> check out #5
[13:24:06] <astinus> tthorpe: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/home/index.html
[13:24:22] <tthorpe> and the machine won't boot in a way that I configure it without it.
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[13:24:58] <lasseoe> tthorope: docs.sun.com - read the X2100 docs there, I know there's one that telsl you how to switch between serial console and that nasty web thing
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[13:25:41] <edwardocallaghan> that's cool astinus
[13:25:56] <edwardocallaghan> I like my Astronomy very much
[13:26:03] <tthorpe> thanks lasseoe, is it me or does the orginization on the sun website kinda suck a bit?
[13:26:10] <quasi> tthorpe: x2100 or x2100M2 ?
[13:26:19] <tthorpe> x2100 not the M2
[13:27:00] <Griffous> trygvis, that is pretty amazing
[13:27:10] <edwardocallaghan> M2 is the dual core version, Mark 2
[13:27:25] <astinus> it also lacks a bunch of annoying bugs
[13:27:30] <astinus> which Sun shouldn't have shipped on the X2100
[13:27:46] <tthorpe> astinus I wish the sales ppl @ sun had told me that...
[13:27:53] <tthorpe> should I return the 2100 and get the M2?
[13:27:57] <edwardocallaghan> Really, I did not have a problem but its only for me
[13:28:06] <lasseoe> the M2 model is a far nicer box
[13:28:33] <tthorpe> in what respect?
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[13:28:54] <tthorpe> and why the hell doesn't sun send a serial null modem cable if you need one to set up the damn machine?
[13:28:58] <lasseoe> nicer specs, comes preinstalled with a service processsor
[13:29:10] <lasseoe> tthorpe: because ALL sun boxes behave that way
[13:29:27] <astinus> http://christalbot.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-machine-hates-me.html
[13:29:44] <tthorpe> I'm learning ;)
[13:29:52] <astinus> mate of mine who fixes X2100's (and other stuff) for his day job :x
[13:30:08] <astinus> 'Yet another X2100 problem' just about sums it up, hah
[13:30:28] <astinus> http://christalbot.blogspot.com/2006/09/good-morning.html
[13:30:32] <astinus> ^^ the follow up post M2 release
[13:31:05] <edwardocallaghan> They have BIOS's ... I don't think so
[13:31:30] <edwardocallaghan> Open PROM if I am not mistaken
[13:31:53] <Error_404> openprom is only on sparc & ppc/power
[13:32:04] <tthorpe> umm where is the follow up?
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[13:32:40] <delewis> Netapps have OpenBoot, too, IIRC.
[13:33:19] <_syphilis_> er, why do you need a serial cable for setup the X2100?
[13:33:22] <edwardocallaghan> Then how would the serial thing work?
[13:33:29] <lasseoe> astinus: vaguely related to X2100's, it's mostly about other crap
[13:33:32] <_syphilis_> they're just PCs
[13:33:38] <astinus> lasseoe: It's his personal blog, heh
[13:33:55] <edwardocallaghan> No they use the OpenBoot firm where
[13:34:03] <edwardocallaghan> It works on PC's as well
[13:34:06] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, no, they do not.
[13:34:08] <lasseoe> edwardocallaghan: no
[13:34:13] <_syphilis_> edwardocallaghan: no they don't
[13:34:16] <tthorpe> _syphilis_ because if you hook a monitor and keyboard up to a preinsalled system you get a blinking cursor and nothing else...
[13:34:17] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[13:34:30] <tthorpe> you have to set the damn thing up via the serial port from what I can gather...
[13:34:35] <astinus> lasseoe: fwiw, we had an X2100 with 'fan issues' in its first week here at DCS. Returned it for an M2, no further issues
[13:34:36] <tthorpe> if I am wrong, please let me know.
[13:34:51] <_syphilis_> tthorpe: that's probably the solaris login prompt?
[13:35:10] <lasseoe> <tthorpe: do you not get the BIOS stuff up on the screen ?
[13:35:13] <lasseoe> (non-serial)
[13:35:21] <edwardocallaghan> If it's a standard PC BIOS how does the serial work?
[13:35:33] <lasseoe> astinus: yes, a lot of them had issues, the early X2100M2's had issues as well but that's long fixed
[13:35:33] <_syphilis_> edwardocallaghan: console redirection, the same as every other PC BIOS
[13:35:41] <tthorpe> astinus, what is the likelyhood I am going to be having these issues with the server? I'm moving and need a reliable machine, if the x2100 isn't going to do that then I need to return it.
[13:35:46] <LeftWing> Console redirection isn't a new concept. =P
[13:35:53] <_syphilis_> indeed it isn't
[13:35:56] <lasseoe> edwardocallaghan: it's standard BIOS but with Sun additions
[13:36:15] <_syphilis_> it's been a standard feature on server mainboards for quite a while now
[13:36:20] <edwardocallaghan> Ah so its not a 'standard' BIOS then
[13:36:25] <lasseoe> <tthorpe: return it and ask for an X2100M2
[13:36:30] <tthorpe> no, I get all the bios stuff, and it gets to grub I hit enter (or just let it boot) then it just sits there with it's blinking cursor...I can let it sit for half an hour and it doesn't do anything...
[13:36:49] <lasseoe> edwardocallaghan: define "standard", each vendor has it's own versions
[13:36:49] <tthorpe> doesn't respond to keyboard commands or anything...
[13:36:54] <_syphilis_> edwardocallaghan: there is no such thing as a "standard" PC BIOS, they're all different
[13:37:05] <tthorpe> really my first experiance with sun hardware so I wasn't sure what to expect.
[13:37:08] <LeftWing> edwardocallaghan: It behaves as a BIOS should, on the side which matters -- the BIOS<->OS side.
[13:37:09] <lasseoe> tthorpe: you can change serial redirection in the BIOS
[13:37:13] <astinus> tthorpe: *shrug* There's almost no difference in price, and the M2 is a nicer box in all respects. If you don't care about the time required to return, I'd mail that sucker back.
[13:37:14] <edwardocallaghan> Yes different bugs
[13:37:14] <_syphilis_> edwardocallaghan: but there is nothing special about console redirection, nearly all servers have that now
[13:37:23] <edwardocallaghan> No I know
[13:37:48] <tthorpe> lasseoe if it were serial redirection why would I get all the bios crap showing up on screen when it boots?
[13:37:55] <astinus> tthorpe: fwiw, you got a tad unlucky (the whole return prospect) .. Sun hardware is fantastic, the M2 is a great example of 'how its done' elsewhere in their product lines.
[13:37:55] <edwardocallaghan> Are you trying it for 60days?
[13:38:03] <tthorpe> yes.
[13:38:08] <_syphilis_> tthorpe: solaris could be configured to use the serial console by default
[13:38:15] <_syphilis_> i never used the preinstalled OS on x86..
[13:38:41] <tthorpe> _syphilis_ I know for a fact it is, I can get in to the recovery console and probably change it if I knew where to go...
[13:38:53] <edwardocallaghan> I got my new Sun Blade 2000 here
[13:38:55] <_syphilis_> tthorpe: try adding this to the grub command line: -Bconsole=text
[13:39:02] <astinus> edwardocallaghan: lol, 'new' ;)
[13:39:03] <edwardocallaghan> Its MASSIVE !
[13:39:13] <_syphilis_> tthorpe: in the 'kernel' line
[13:39:30] <_syphilis_> that should override the setting in bootenv.rc
[13:39:33] <tthorpe> ok, well I don't think I'm going to put a lot of effort in to this and call sun and swap the boxes.
[13:39:44] <edwardocallaghan> 'new' to my Desk ;)
[13:39:54] <tthorpe> but I will certainly try that so I know how to do it in the future, give me a sec to get it all hooked back up.
[13:39:55] <_syphilis_> you're going to do a hardware replacement to change the default OS configuration?  that seems a bit extreme
[13:40:05] <astinus> tthorpe: the difference in price between a totally entry-level X2100 and a X2100-M2 is $150-200
[13:40:19] <lasseoe> you get a lot more of your money
[13:40:21] <astinus> tthorpe: But you're getting a dual-core AMD Opteron (1210) compared with a Opteron 146
[13:40:33] <astinus> tthorpe: as well as DDR2-667 RAM instead of DDR1-400
[13:40:44] <tthorpe> no, I'm going to do a hardware replacement because I'm on the 60 day try and buy and it sound like the M2 is much more bang for the buck.
[13:40:50] <astinus> tthorpe: and the box has 4 x ethernet, rather than 2x, plus a system controller thing :)
[13:40:55] * astinus nods
[13:40:56] <astinus> it is :)
[13:41:03] <_syphilis_> the M2 has a real SP?
[13:41:08] <_syphilis_> that's nice
[13:41:13] <lasseoe> yep
[13:41:20] <_syphilis_> worth $150 alone :)
[13:41:23] <lasseoe> IPMI 2.0 as well
[13:41:28] <astinus> _syphilis_: one *major* reason to go M2, rather than X2100 M1 ;)
[13:42:16] <_syphilis_> incidentaly i noticed the dell DRAC stuff has oddly similar commands to sun's new stuff
[13:42:21] <_syphilis_> are they OEM'd from somewhere?
[13:42:42] <astinus> its also got two 8x PCI-e ports, for expansion. the M2 has a SAS option, or SATA II (instead of SATA on the X2100)
[13:42:45] <edwardocallaghan> Can I just pug a normal USB keyboard into my Blade ?
[13:43:31] <astinus> tthorpe: http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x2100/specs.xml   :)  direct comparison for you
[13:43:34] <tthorpe> thanks for all the help and suggestions I should have stopped in before I got this thing I'll bbiab I'm going to take a shower
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[13:44:18] <_syphilis_> i wonder why the fb console option is 'text'
[13:44:31] <_syphilis_> you'd think text is a better description of a serial port than a VGA framebuffer :)
[13:44:32] <astinus> i wonder why Sun are still selling the X2100, since its not RoHS compliant :x
[13:44:54] <lasseoe> astinus: guess they have a shitload left
[13:44:57] <LeftWing> Perhaps they have some left? =P
[13:45:01] * astinus snickers
[13:45:56] <Griffous> what is the big fuss with RoHS anyway?
[13:46:11] <edwardocallaghan> Nothing its stupid
[13:46:26] <lasseoe> edwardocallaghan: why is that?
[13:46:52] <Error_404> Griffous: computers have a lot of lead, some countries want to limit the amount dumped in to the environment
[13:46:53] <astinus> Griffous: it restricts the use of lead, cadmium, mercury and some other Bad Stuff <TM>
[13:46:56] <edwardocallaghan> lead is a vital vitamin :D
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[13:47:42] <lasseoe> se noai
[13:47:42] <lasseoe> ase ai
[13:47:44] <lasseoe> woops
[13:48:01] <Griffous> so it's more about waste then, rather then just being 'green' for the sake of publicity?
[13:48:12] * astinus nods
[13:48:13] <lasseoe> Griffous: yes
[13:48:21] <edwardocallaghan> Its not a lot of lead and when you put it in the env it just oxidizes the top layer of the metal, protecting the lead under it
[13:48:23] <Griffous> ok, fair enough...
[13:48:48] <astinus> Griffous: It's not a bad concept, we as a 'world' waste millions of computers per annum
[13:50:24] <edwardocallaghan> How about ban cheap crap !?
[13:50:45] * serishema is thinking about solaris again
[13:50:45] <lasseoe> That wouldn't cahgnea nything
[13:50:52] * serishema is currently on windows and doesn't like it so much any more
[13:50:59] <lasseoe> jsut becahse it's expensive doesn't mean it's enviromental
[13:51:02] <edwardocallaghan> Like Dells and Xeon unless you are firing your sausages
[13:51:15] <lasseoe> christ..need coffee, can't type worth sh!t
[13:52:07] <edwardocallaghan> Yes it does, expensive means there money in the company to make great products that last and don't fill land fill sites
[13:53:38] <lasseoe> heh, no
[13:54:05] <serishema> edwardcallaghan: haha. very true
[13:54:50] <edwardocallaghan> How the hell am I going to get my Blade 2000 to Australia ?
[13:55:05] * serishema wants a blade 2000
[13:55:15] <edwardocallaghan> It's like 50kg , well its like that up the strees
[13:55:29] 
[13:55:52] <serishema> awsome. i'll have to look around.
[13:55:59] <edwardocallaghan> and its got two 1ghz in there with 2gb of RAM and two 73GB 10k's !
[13:59:14] <edwardocallaghan> How do I take the cover off?
[13:59:25] <edwardocallaghan> =-O
[13:59:46] <delewis> you mean the side panel?
[14:00:18] <edwardocallaghan> I worked it out
[14:00:19] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[14:00:26] <lasseoe> good boy
[14:00:39] <edwardocallaghan> lol delewis how are you?
[14:01:10] <quasi> edwardocallaghan: I think the easiest for you would be to just rent a 20' container and have it shipped ;)
[14:01:14] <delewis> drinking my morning coffee, and reading JES documentation.
[14:01:45] <quasi> delewis: plain coffee or something stronger to dull the pain? ;)
[14:02:12] <lasseoe> JES isn't that bad :)
[14:02:21] <lasseoe> well ok, parts of it is
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[14:02:32] <delewis> just a gourmet, French Vanilla blend and a few teaspoons of sugar.
[14:02:40] <delewis> nothing spectacular :-)
[14:02:47] <lasseoe> "a few teaspoons" heh
[14:02:52] <delewis> yeah :-)
[14:03:03] <delewis> I've got to have a morning jolt, too.
[14:03:51] <delewis> I'm just reading up on the Directory Server, rather than that heap of shit called Access Manager, Identify Manager, Communications Server, etc.
[14:03:58] <lasseoe> hahah
[14:03:59] <tomww> #define few[0...n] with n <= huge
[14:04:02] <lasseoe> yeah AM is rubbish
[14:04:13] <lasseoe> I do like Messaging Server and DS, they are decent enough
[14:05:00] <delewis> I'll be moving from Sendmail to Messaging Server, eventually.
[14:05:03] <lasseoe> DS 6.0 is pretty sweet
[14:05:20] <delewis> right now, I'm just setting up DS for authentication purposes.
[14:05:22] <lasseoe> yeah me too, as soon as the new Comms Suite is out
[14:07:39] <delewis> DS 6.0 should be out soon
[14:07:47] <lasseoe> end of January
[14:07:47] <delewis> I've heard the second half of January '07.
[14:08:10] <delewis> 2005q4 has gone on way too long :-)
[14:08:45] <lasseoe> Definitely, Communications Express is a pile of poo, can't wait to se what the new Comms Suite has done to solve that
[14:09:00] <lasseoe> delewis: any idea if Comms Suite will be released end of january as well?
[14:09:20] <delewis> lasseoe, yes, I think that January date includes the entire JES suite.
[14:09:23] <lasseoe> JES5 will only contain DS, Web, Portal and uhm something else
[14:09:26] <delewis> oh
[14:09:31] <delewis> hmm, maybe not then.
[14:09:39] <lasseoe> Yeah they changed the packaging, yet again
[14:09:41] <LeftWing> I don't mind Comms Express.
[14:09:56] * serishema feels she could go for some coffee
[14:10:02] <serishema> even though it is 2am
[14:10:25] <lasseoe> LeftWing: you have to apply a workaround to amek the whole thing work on port 80, and even then Msg Express is still accessible, bit of a mses if you ask me
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[14:11:00] <lasseoe> wonder what's wrong with my fingers, really can't seem to type properly today
[14:11:07] <LeftWing> Once it works its pretty crisp and simple to use, though.
[14:11:14] <lasseoe> LeftWing: sure thing
[14:11:31] <lasseoe> just the tech aspect of it is less than elegant :)
[14:11:36] <LeftWing> Mmm.
[14:12:41] <lasseoe> Comunications Express was supposedly a quick fix to replace messenger express
[14:12:51] <delewis> isn't DS 6.0 a complete re-write?
[14:13:17] <lasseoe> uhm can't remember
[14:13:25] <delewis> I thought Sun was working on a new DS that was completely Java-based.
[14:13:30] <delewis> figured it might be DS 6.0
[14:13:37] <lasseoe> delewis: that's OpenDS
[14:14:17] <LeftWing> Yeah that's still a fair way off, I would imagine.
[14:14:17] <delewis> ah
[14:14:21] <lasseoe> delewis: http://blogs.sun.com/DirectoryManager/entry/introducing_the_opends_directory_service
[14:14:41] <delewis> I've heard that performance should be excellent on it.
[14:16:25] <serishema> this looks interesting
[14:16:35] <serishema> though my network is too small to actually need directory, i still like to play with them
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[14:16:50] <Skppo> hi
[14:16:57] <edwardocallaghan> Guys I'm off thanks for your most excellent company
[14:16:59] <Skppo> anyone around who has gcc 4.x installed?
[14:17:07] <Skppo> i'm interested in the output of the following program
[14:17:10] <Skppo> #include <stdio.h>
[14:17:18] <Skppo> int main() { static int foo; printf("%d\n", foo); }
[14:17:32] <quasi> mmm, try'n'buy x4600 just landed - and I'm out of town so I can't even do the heavy lifting :)
[14:17:55] <Skppo> on sparc
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[14:19:01] <lasseoe> Skppo: 0
[14:19:08] <lasseoe> S9 and old gcc
[14:19:13] <Skppo> hmm.. thanks
[14:19:15] <Skppo> gcc 2.x?
[14:19:22] <Skppo> i'm using 3.4.x and i'm getting garbage values
[14:19:33] <lasseoe> 2.95.3
[14:19:34] <Skppo> with all things static variables
[14:19:35] <Skppo> ah
[14:20:26] <Skppo> well i guess maybe 3.x broke some stuff
[14:20:34] <Skppo> i'm mainly wondering whether i can assume that newer versions work
[14:20:35] <lasseoe> if you actaully assigned the variable something then it might work :)
[14:20:45] <Skppo> i'm using 3.x from blastwave
[14:20:56] <Skppo> static variables are guaranteed to be implicitly initialized to zero
[14:21:02] <lasseoe> right on
[14:21:05] <Skppo> (and null pointer and floating point zero for pointers/fp)
[14:21:15] <lasseoe> well.. it is gcc, enough said :)
[14:21:16] <Skppo> i tried to initialize explicitly with no effect
[14:21:19] <Skppo> :)
[14:21:43] <Skppo> thing is just that gcc works well for me on lots of paltforms..just not sparc as it seems
[14:27:54] <kFuQ> tried studio11?
[14:28:32] <Skppo> yes sun cc works great, i've been using that
[14:28:55] <Skppo> but gcc is more likely to be installed on a given target machine, no?
[14:29:03] <kFuQ> only thing i have not gotten to pile with studio is courier-imap
[14:29:08] <kFuQ> yah..
[14:29:27] <kFuQ> think 3.4.3 is in sol10 11/06
[14:29:38] <Skppo> maybe i should add a configure test to check if gcc is broken
[14:29:49] <nightswim> does courier compile at all on sparc?
[14:29:55] <Skppo> well i have tried 3.4.5 and .6
[14:30:06] <kFuQ> nightswim: yah
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[14:36:19] <delewis> Skppo, there's really no reason why gcc should be more popular on Solaris than Sun Studio, nowadays, given Sun Studio 11 is completely free.
[14:36:54] <delewis> if you're worried about other platforms, gcc won't be common on them unless they're various free BSD variants or Linux.
[14:37:34] <Skppo> hm
[14:37:53] <Skppo> yeah i admit i grew up in a world with no free sun cc and i'm just returning to solaris
[14:38:02] <tsoome> you should worry more for code, not for compiler
[14:38:03] <Skppo> are you sure it's really as widespread or more so than gcc?
[14:38:15] <Skppo> what use is my code if people can't compile it tsoome? :)
[14:38:21] <delewis> Skppo, I'm saying there's no reason it shouldn't be as popular.
[14:38:40] <delewis> most platforms treat gcc as an afterthought and don't place near as much importance on it as Linux and the various free BSD variants do.
[14:38:54] <Skppo> hp's cc is not free
[14:38:57] <Skppo> ibm's isn't
[14:39:04] <Skppo> compaq's wasn't
[14:39:09] <Skppo> so gcc is often the "only game in town"
[14:39:27] <Skppo> of course the vendor does not usually care much for it...but there are usually gcc binaries provided
[14:39:32] * delewis shrugs
[14:39:43] <delewis> I have licenses for compilers on all the systems I have :-)
[14:39:56] <Skppo> i do too for most
[14:40:09] <Skppo> but...i want the user to have a nice compile experienec :)
[14:40:28] <delewis> then it the best experience they could have is for it to be compiler-independent.
[14:40:36] <Skppo> right
[14:40:47] <tsoome> skippo if you will write a decen C, it will compile with almost any compiler - so you shouldn't worry about it
[14:40:55] <Skppo> i just asked because i wanted to know if i can forget gcc completely on sparc
[14:41:00] <delewis> unless you make use of compiler-specific extensions
[14:41:05] <delewis> in that case, make sure you #ifdef them properly.
[14:41:13] <Skppo> tsoome, scroll back, there aresome bugs in the gcc i have installed on this solaris/sparc
[14:41:19] <Skppo> my c is alright
[14:41:26] <delewis> I don't recall how #pragma's are treated
[14:41:37] <Skppo> don't worry, i use no pragmas or __attributes__() or anything like that
[14:41:40] <delewis> as in what happens if a specific #pragma does not exist.
[14:41:45] <quasi> Skppo: the only problem with fropping gcc is in porting code from gcc
[14:42:05] <myrkraverk> delewis: ignored, iirc according to standard
[14:42:08] * delewis recalls not too long ago gcc played nasty jokes on users that used #pragma's
[14:42:11] <delewis> myrkraverk, that's what I was thinking.
[14:42:17] <quasi> Skppo: and sun studio is likely to give you much on the performance side over gcc
[14:42:26] <delewis> if you had #pragma's in your processed C code, gcc would try to start one of the BSD games
[14:42:31] <delewis> like hangman or something :-)
[14:42:32] <Skppo> i was asking abou a gcc bug :( i know how to write portable c, thx
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[17:12:21] <pjd_> This is not a bug that one can create hardlink to directories on Solaris/UFS?
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[17:17:37] <estibi> hi
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[17:24:51] <PerterB> pjd_: it's documented in link(2) ... bad idea though if you don't want to bugger up your filesystem
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[18:07:39] <pjd_> PerterB: Indeed. On the other hand, link(2) talks about it in general and from what I tested it doesn't work with ZFS.
[18:07:58] <pjd_> I also found a case where unsuccessful chmod(2) updates ctime.
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[19:38:36] <estibi> :/
[19:41:00] <BadKarma> whats the matter, estibi?
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[19:46:09] <estibi> nothing, just my misprint, BadKarma
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[19:48:00] <gdamore> hi *
[19:48:39] <gdamore> i finally succumbed, and started a blog about some of my solaris stuff... garrett-tadpole.blogspot.com
[19:48:42] <jamesd_> hi .*
[19:49:55] <sahafeez> jamesd_ I neeeded your help last night and your were not around. no one was. it is sad when geeks get lifes ;)
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[19:50:16] <gdamore> heh.
[19:50:52] <jamesd_> sahafeez, it wasn't a life.. its called sleep...  being on 750mg of  levaquin  makes me sleep a lot more than usual.. unless its the nice 15" long incision on the side of my thigh that is making me sleepy as well.
[19:51:14] <sahafeez> bah. it is just a flesh wound.
[19:51:44] <sahafeez> jamesd_ doing ok now?
[19:51:51] <jamesd_> well they used it to remove  15lbs. of  flesh...  so i guess its a flesh wound...
[19:52:02] <sahafeez> ah.
[19:52:12] <jamesd_> yes i'm fine, no pain just have to keep changing my bandages  because its still draining.
[19:52:22] <sahafeez> i always thought you should ask for it back so you can cook it up and see what it taste like
[19:52:51] <jamesd_> no thanks it was  infection filled, and i'm not a canibal.
[19:52:52] <gdamore> yech.  too bad irc won't let me throw a brick at sahafeez.
[19:52:58] <sahafeez> haha
[19:53:18] <sahafeez> just a random thought. i always wanted to know if we taste like chicken
[19:53:40] <gdamore> actually, my understanding is that the taste is much closer to pork
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[19:53:57] <sahafeez> humans, the other white meat
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[19:59:20] <sahafeez> so i have bought 2 pci ide cards that do not work even thou they are listed as working
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[20:08:18] <hspaans> g'day to you all
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[20:12:18] <estibi> is it possible to change size (resize) of solaris partition (x86) from 20GB to 120GB (whole ATA disk) ?
[20:13:13] <estibi> solaris slice is in my case first partition on hard drive
[20:13:13] <jamesd_> not sure, but i doubt it, but backup all your data before you even try
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[20:14:13] <jamesd> bored, bored, bored. bored
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[20:21:14] <quasi> it is rather quiet here today
[20:22:24] <gdamore> estibi: i don't think you can safely change the size of a ufs partition
[20:22:56] <jamesd> you grow a  ufs filesystem...   changing the size of slice is a bit more difficult i think
[20:23:04] <estibi> no ufs partition
[20:23:17] <gdamore> you could probably _grow_ an FDISK partition, and create an additional slice within the new space, but it sounds risky
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[20:23:50] * gdamore hugs ZFS
[20:24:29] * hali hugs the fireboob
[20:24:46] <hali> http://kqe.de/pruell/fireboob.jpg
[20:25:28] <jamesd> now that is a padded bra.
[20:25:41] <jamesd> fur lined in fact.
[20:25:44] <gdamore> hehe.  everyone should have one.
[20:26:02] <hali> i don't need a bra... yet
[20:26:32] <BadKarma> haha
[20:26:36] <sahafeez> well if you are  girl you are 2 young to irc and if you are a guy lay off the soda
[20:26:43] <estibi> so should i first backup all system, and then reinstall it with new FDISK partition ?
[20:26:48] <gdamore> that was more a reference to the fireboob than the bra, per se. :-)
[20:27:01] <hali> if i keep eating as much as i have this christmas i'll have big enough man-boobs to need one :)
[20:27:05] <gdamore> estibi: yeah, that would be my recommendation
[20:27:37] <gdamore> heh.  i gained ~5lbs this holiday season.  time to start running again.
[20:27:40] <estibi> ok, thanks
[20:28:28] <jamesd> gdamore, because of the weight gain or that wierd 2nd cousin that is quite fond of you?
[20:28:29] <gdamore> estibi: also, if you're going to store *data* on the system (as opposed to just playing around with Solaris), I recommend considering ZFS on a seperate drive (or two or three. ;-)
[20:28:46] <gdamore> jamesd: we don't talk about that in public... :-)
[20:29:19] <gdamore> seriously, it seemed like all I did was eat this holiday
[20:29:28] <gdamore> *food*, i mean. :-)
[20:31:13] <estibi> gdamore: this is on my TODO list :)
[20:31:52] <gdamore> i've been quite thrilled with the performance of ZFS with dual SATA drives.  and they are running in PATA compat mode. :-)
[20:37:53] <philuk86> what does a compressratio of 1.7x mean? does it mean the space used is only 70% of the real size?
[20:38:32] <estibi> gdamore: what VDEV did you created on those 2 SATA drives ?
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[20:39:20] <gdamore> VDEV?  I created a zpool called "data"
[20:39:27] <rydis> philuk: At a guess (I don't know), that'd mean the size, if uncompressed, would be 1.7 times as big; that is, it's ~55-60 % of the "raw" size.
[20:39:46] <estibi> VDEV == mirror or raidz etc ...
[20:39:55] <gdamore> with two drives, i used a mirror
[20:40:33] <onbot> commit by rd117015:  4865670 missing properties in the prtpicl output after PCI hotplug
[20:40:38] <gdamore> if i had three, i would have used a raidz, but the mirror is working great
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[21:48:54] <Torkel7> Hello! I have two computers. One with Solaris and one with Linux on the same network with a Linksys WRT54GL. Can I connect from one computer to the other, perhaps with ssh?
[21:49:04] <DerJoern> sure
[21:49:44] <Torkel7> Thought so, but how? I get time out after a long wait
[21:50:09] <delewis> Torkel7, setup name services properly.
[21:50:14] <DerJoern> did you have ssh installed on your solatis?
[21:50:29] <delewis> sshd is trying to do a reverse DNS on the system you're connecting from
[21:50:41] <delewis> obviously, if you don't have name services setup properly, it'll timeout
[21:50:51] <delewis> there's also probably something in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disable that, as well.
[21:51:04] <Torkel7> Yes, I can ssh to the computer I am using with linux and solaris
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[21:54:55] <Torkel7> I mean if I am on Linux I can ssh to Linux. I can also ssh from solaris to solaris. But not from solaris to linux and not from linux to solaris.
[21:55:18] <jamesd> Torkel7, why not sounds like a networking problem
[21:56:14] <mikeh623> Hey guys, I have probably an obvious-answer question - I downloaded solaris 10 a-e segments, how are these meant to be a single dvd?
[21:56:24] <_syphilis_> mike: concatenate them
[21:56:41] <jamesd> mikeh623, read the instructions on how to assemble the dvd
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[21:57:19] <mikeh623> Cool, I have no problem reading, thanks.
[21:58:04] <Torkel7> Anything to check or try?
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[21:58:54] <mikeh623> While I'm here, maybe I should just confirm what I'm trying to do. I lost 4 years of data on a laptop and some more on a another computer, so I'm building a pure network storage device. That's when a friend pointed me here to use Solaris as its OS. Good idea?
[22:00:12] <jamesd> mikeh623, http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/download_instruction.xml
[22:00:34] <jamesd> yes  ZFS rocks
[22:01:23] <mikeh623> Yea, thats what he was telling me. I printed the manual at work and bound it there (gotta be productive on someone else's time). I'm just unsure if maybe this is over the top considering I'm not some grand corp with terabytes of data.
[22:01:24] <asyd> well, zfs rocks, but sysadmin still need to do backup :p
[22:01:44] <mikeh623> I'm only starting the box with 3x 250gb sata drives
[22:02:01] <dwc-> regardless of the OS or the filesystem, you still need backups
[22:02:25] <jamesd> good use  raidz    3x250 will give you approximately  500GB of usable space and more if you enable  compression and have  compressible content
[22:02:25] <hspaans> hmmm
[22:02:49] <estibi> Torkel7: can you PING solaris from linux ?
[22:03:04] <jamesd> yes backups are nice but can someone give a link to a  sub $100  backup system that will backup  250GB of data.
[22:04:12] <gdamore> jamesd: dvd writer with gnutar?  (and lots of time swapping media?)
[22:04:13] <asyd> do you really have 250GB of "real" data ? I mean no video/audio files
[22:04:18] <hspaans> kewl zlogin disconnects again
[22:04:55] <estibi> jamesd: buy another hdd for backups
[22:05:08] <mikeh623> nope, i had maybe 3GB that i lost when my laptop's hd decided to just die
[22:05:15] <asyd> ah, sorry you have kids and wife, you probably have lot of family pictures
[22:05:46] <gdamore> i replicate my data on multiple systems.  including sourceforge. :-)  gotta love using public CVS as your "backup" :-)
[22:05:49] <_syphilis_> it'd be nice if there was a way to have a zfs raid pool with per-filesystem replication policy
[22:06:07] <_syphilis_> e.g. /pool/important could be replicated once, and /pool/scratch could be unreplicated (raid-0)
[22:06:17] <gdamore> you should use two pools for that, I think.
[22:06:29] <_syphilis_> yes, but then you have to pre-allocate space, zfs is meant to fix that :)
[22:06:35] <Torkel7> estibi: Yes, ping is working fine. I am only using ip addresses
[22:06:41] <jamesd> no, just pointing out that  people don't really have cheap options to do data backup these days so  raidz is about the best a home user is going to help for... and of course backup  really important files on dvds and multiple copies on multiple systems.
[22:07:42] <estibi> Torkel7: try use ssh with IP addresses
[22:07:43] <gdamore> apart from media files, most people don't have more than a couple gigs of critical data, which fits easily on dvd or even usb flash drive
[22:07:55] <mikeh623> Most of my stuff is just media that I don't to lose. I was just looking for a neutral place to store copies of it and to access remotely by myself and select others.
[22:08:21] <mikeh623> I mess with my system too much and thats when I lose stuff.
[22:08:38] <gdamore> zfs is your best bet to protect against h/w failure.  it won't help with accidental corruption unless you use snapshots.
[22:08:40] <mikeh623> I'm careless and the journey to my triboot, killed about 100GB
[22:09:03] <gdamore> thats why my zfs data is _not_ on my OS drive. :-)
[22:09:14] <Torkel7> As I told you, I haven't tried anything else than IP addresses. What else could i use?
[22:09:22] <gdamore> i used three drives, one small one for the OS (easily reinstalled), and two SATAs in a mirror
[22:09:35] <jamesd> gdamore, yes snapshots are required to be used if you want to protect your data.
[22:09:44] <hspaans> some zlogin people arround?
[22:09:58] <jamesd> i use zlogin from time to time...
[22:10:07] <gdamore> yes, and it still won't help you if the problem is caused by corruption of the filesystem itself.  (i.e. a bug in Solaris/ZFS)
[22:10:48] <hspaans> jamesd: it disconnects when you pump past a lot of data to it
[22:11:00] <mikeh623> on my normal usage box, i've got a 250 sata for windows, 250 ide for os x and 80 ide for linux -- i'm just makin a box to dump stuff to through the network
[22:11:01] * gdamore wishes the SATA AHCI drivers would be backported to S10 06/06
[22:11:06] <jamesd> gdamore, but if its a bug in solaris/zfs your pretty much fubar anyway if your backup contains the same corruption.
[22:11:30] <Torkel7> estibi: So if i write ssh 192.168.1.9 I get a long wait and time out.
[22:11:32] <hspaans> SATA AHCI now works in S11?
[22:11:35] <gdamore> true.  but if your backup is _offline_, then you should be able to go back in time to some point.
[22:11:38] <jamesd> hspaans, then don't pump lots of data to it....   use ssh, scp, rsync, etc.    and file a bug report at  bugs.opensolaris.org
[22:12:00] <estibi> Torkel7: ssh -v your_user at 192 dot 168.1.9 ?
[22:12:00] <gdamore> hspaans: it was recently putback.  i've not tested it because my AHCI Via system runs S10 06/06 ATM.
[22:12:03] <lasseoe> torkel7: can you ping ?
[22:12:21] <Torkel7> lassoe: yes i can ping
[22:12:40] <estibi> Torkel7: try -v with ssh
[22:12:47] <estibi> VERBOSE
[22:14:12] <Torkel7> bash-3.00$ ssh -v tjh at 192 dot 168.1.9 Sun_SSH_1.1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090801f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.9 [192.168.1.9] port 22.
[22:15:06] <estibi> Torkel7: do you have firewall, or something like hosts.deny ?
[22:15:08] <hspaans> jamesd: maybe my old bug with sun.nl is still open, I will check that one first
[22:15:58] <Torkel7> estibi: There is a firewall on the linux box, yes
[22:16:50] <estibi> Torkel7: then u should disable it for a while and try again
[22:18:19] <Torkel7> estibi: But why does it accept ssh from itself? Shouldn't the firewall stop that too? I try to disable anyway.
[22:20:01] <mikeh623> so, knowing that i just want a box to throw stuff on, not much "real" data, is solaris still a good adventure and experience, or should i just go with a linux distro?
[22:20:26] <estibi> Torkel7: becouse it depends of rules do you have
[22:20:55] <gdamore> Torkel7: probably ssh routes thru localhost loopback interface, and skips firewall altogether
[22:24:00] <hspaans> mikeh623: why shouldn't solaris be a good option?
[22:24:54] <Torkel7> Wow, I was able to ssh to my linux box. You are great. Thank you!!!!
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[22:25:46] <mikeh623> idk, thats what i'm here to find out :)
[22:26:06] <estibi> Torkel7: you can add rules to you firewall to INPUT and OUTPUT for eth0
[22:26:39] <estibi> and it should also works
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[22:30:05] <Torkel7> estibi: Ok, thank you very much.
[22:30:50] <estibi> you're welcome
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[22:33:50] <mikeh623> burning, yay
[22:35:20] <hspaans> mikeh623: are you going to do fancy things?
[22:35:30] <mikeh623> like?
[22:35:46] <mikeh623> i just get bored and don't racking myself even if its unnecessary
[22:35:53] <mikeh623> *mind
[22:37:37] <hspaans> if you ask then most likely not. just download solaris install it and don't worry too much
[22:38:55] <mikeh623> but what would you consider fancy with solaris when using it as an os for just a storage box?
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[22:41:42] <hspaans> lets say, what makes fedora and opensuse tick for example. the latest and greatest and cutting edge
[22:46:26] <mikeh623> i don't know
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[22:50:34] <estibi> i need to reedit solaris partition
[22:50:45] <estibi> a mean
[22:50:48] <estibi> add new one
[22:51:09] <estibi> but i have: Cannot modify disk partitions while it has mounted partitions.
[22:51:38] <estibi> partition 0 is my /
[22:51:44] <estibi> partition 1 is my swap
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[22:52:21] <estibi> i want modify partition 3
[22:52:29] <estibi> i want to modify partition 3
[22:52:41] <estibi> how to do that ?
[22:53:15] <lasseoe> swap -d <swap device>   ; should let you edit the vtoc
[22:53:30] <lasseoe> you may have to comment it out in vfstab as well
[22:53:57] <estibi> and what about / ?
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[22:56:19] <estibi> :/
[23:07:58] <tomww> estibi: if you really know what you want, dumpt the vtoc, add changes and reapply it with fmthard   (dangerous, if you dont love this)
[23:08:18] <tomww> but, why do you want to change a "running" partitone/slice?
[23:08:52] <estibi> tomww: i have just installed nevada
[23:09:33] <estibi> and and don't want reinstall that again
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[23:10:13] <tomww> okay, so what change do you want to have?
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[23:11:13] <tomww> make a new slice from free space?
[23:11:14] <estibi> i have disk 120gb and only 2 solaris partitions in FDISK partition
[23:11:24] <estibi> tomww: exactly
[23:12:12] <tomww> ah, is the "not-longer-to-be-used" fdisk-partition (MS-DOS-fdisk) to be added to the other MS-DOS-partiton?
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[23:13:27] <estibi> no i have one FDISK partition on disk
[23:14:08] <estibi>   0       root    wm       3 -   640        4.89GB    (638/0/0)    10249470
[23:14:09] <estibi>   1       swap    wu     641 -   895        1.95GB    (255/0/0)     4096575
[23:14:09] <estibi>   2     backup    wm       0 - 14589      111.77GB    (14590/0/0) 234388350
[23:14:09] <estibi>   3 unassigned    wm       0                0         (0/0/0)             0
[23:14:10] <tomww> ok, to speak about the same things: "partition" = ms-dos old-style partition with type solaris and
[23:14:15] <estibi> sorry for flood
[23:14:52] <tomww> "slice" which is actually used by solaris to mount "/" "/var" swap and so on
[23:14:59] <estibi> tomww: ok
[23:15:13] <estibi> i need modify slice ID 3
[23:15:20] <estibi> i need to *
[23:15:50] <tomww> i see. you want to use e.g. slice "S3" to be starting at 896 and ending e.g. at 10000 ?
[23:16:28] <estibi> 14589
[23:16:29] <estibi> :)
[23:16:44] <estibi> ending at 14589
[23:17:02] <estibi> and startind at 896
[23:17:50] <tomww> ok.
[23:18:09] <estibi> so what should i do ?
[23:18:30] <tomww> dump the vtoc:
[23:18:56] <tomww> prtvtoc /dev/dsk/c?t?d?s2  into a file
[23:19:43] <tomww> load it into your $EDITOR
[23:20:49] <estibi> ok
[23:21:07] <tomww> white-space is all normal spaces, no tabs
[23:21:36] <estibi> ok
[23:21:41] <tomww> below the last line, add your new partiton. e.g. (adjust/calculate numbers)
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[23:22:29] <tomww>  3   0   00  <firstsector>  <sctorcount>  <lastsector>
[23:22:50] <estibi> tomww: what is TAG and FLAGS ?
[23:23:09] <tomww> ok, the output of the solaris-fdisk should give you the math for secotr-calculation
[23:23:23] <Doc> umm.. why not just use format?
[23:23:30] <tomww> use from my example "3" as the slice 3
[23:24:11] <tomww> tag and flags are dereived from my config where the slice is used as a normal firlesystem
[23:24:23] <estibi> ok
[23:24:30] <tomww> Doc: format complains about mounted partitions
[23:24:44] <lasseoe> if you remove swap and comment t out in vfstab it should be ok
[23:24:46] <Doc> right. so use :
[23:24:50] <Doc> NOINUSE_CHECK=1 format
[23:24:55] <lasseoe> hm nice
[23:24:56] <tomww> there are always alternatives, including maintenance-boot, cdrom ...
[23:25:27] <tomww> Doc wins the price for simplicity
[23:25:35] <estibi> lasseoe: i commented it and it doesn't work
[23:25:49] <lasseoe> did you also swap -d ?
[23:25:59] <estibi> lasseoe: yes
[23:26:03] <lasseoe> oh well
[23:26:14] <Doc> of course, if you disable inuse checking and you delete something that is actually in use, well...
[23:26:15] <tomww> estibi try NOINUSE_CHECK=1  (as mentioned by Doc)
[23:28:06] <estibi> NOINUSE_CHECK=1 doesn't work :/
[23:28:27] <estibi> i have snv53
[23:29:12] <Doc> what do you mean "doesn't work"
[23:29:52] <Doc> did you run it exactly as I showed above?
[23:30:55] <estibi> Doc: NOINUSE_CHECK=1 format
[23:31:17] <estibi> Cannot modify disk partitions while it has mounted partitions.
[23:32:20] <estibi> Cannot modify disk partitions while it has mounted partitions. - this is when i type "modify"
[23:34:12] <tomww> ah, maybe we're thinking the wrong way :)
[23:34:29] <tomww> if you like to add space to slice "3", type "3"
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[23:34:53] <tomww> you will be asked for the settings...
[23:36:00] <estibi> tomww: what do you mean ?
[23:37:07] <tomww> "modify" is not probably not what you want, you want to change slice "3"
[23:37:18] <delewis> dlewis  1059     1   0 14:01:36 ?           0:00 /bin/bash /opt/SUNWspro/bin/sunstudio
[23:37:22] <delewis> I'm not going to ask..
[23:37:37] <tomww> so, in format, select the disk, then "partition", then "print" to display, then "3" to change settings for slice 3
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[23:39:00] <estibi> ahh :D
[23:41:29] <axisys> anyone know openssh 4.5p1 available in pkg format?
[23:41:39] <axisys> anyone know if openssh 4.5p1 available in pkg format?
[23:42:00] <tomww> estibi: after that, type "label" to actually write to the vtoc on disk
[23:42:01] <lasseoe> have you looked ?
[23:42:31] <axisys> lasseoe: were u responding to my question?
[23:42:33] <lasseoe> yes
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[23:43:13] <axisys> lasseoe: i could not find one in CSW format
[23:43:34] <lasseoe> and sunfreeware?
[23:44:37] <axisys> lasseoe: did not see one there either
[23:44:44] <axisys> hmm..
[23:44:46] <estibi> tomww: thank you
[23:44:51] <lasseoe> then there probably isn't one :)
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[23:45:51] <tomww> estibi: :-) :-) - sorry for the first shot with the hard way (prtvtoc/fmthard :-) ) , but that would be my method to bypass every safety-shield
[23:47:02] <estibi> :)





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