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[00:14:28] <jamesd_> If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0   or  2.6.x
[00:14:43] <mrdeviant> heh
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[00:16:00] <astinus> Hm, I'm curious -- noted some press activity regarding Solaris on Itanium in March '06, did anything come of that?
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[00:16:22] <jamesd_> trashcan filler.
[00:17:02] <astinus> heheh
[00:23:24] <quasi> hompaq might be dreaming that other will jump on the itanic before it sinks, but with all the rats having jumped ship years ago, it looks like they are left to sink alone ;)
[00:23:47] <richlowe> Are you sure what you read was from '06?
[00:24:12] <richlowe> there was a whole bunch of noise between '98 and '99 (you can see relics of it via b.o.o actually), but it went nowhere.
[00:24:22] <astinus> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/02/sun_solaris_itanium/
[00:26:16] <astinus> probably just more press hype, where they add 2 + 2 and make 36
[00:28:11] <quasi> ah, that on - that's just fishing for disgruntled HP customers - "payback" for the Solaris to lunix porting guides ;)
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[00:42:18] <sickness> quasi: lol, wasn't lunix that unix-like for C64? :P
[00:45:45] <quasi> sickness: linux/lunix - intentional misspelling
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[00:47:12] <delewis> nice, Sun Studio Express 3 has been released with a new Netbeans 5.5-based IDE
[00:47:35] <sickness> oh, ok :)
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[00:50:54] <quasi> delewis: last weeks news ;)
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[01:13:04] <Tpenta> oops
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[01:14:32] <sickness> I go to bed nite all
[01:15:07] <jamesd_> our sickness needs bed rest, that is not a good sign
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[01:16:01] <lloy0076> Would it be easier to install Linux on my other machine and configure a dialup connection using it OR would OpenSolaris be relatively easy to setup a dialup (serial) 56K modem and NAT?
[01:16:16] <lloy0076> A given is that I *know* how to do this on Linux.
[01:16:37] <lloy0076> I'm leaning towards Linux primarily because it will be the most prudent and most reliable way for *me* to get it working fast.
[01:16:42] <rbrown> lloy0076, go with what your familiar with if that's the main reason
[01:16:46] <jamesd_> then obviously linux would be easier.
[01:17:00] <rbrown> jamesd_, heh
[01:17:10] <lloy0076> That's what I was thinking.
[01:17:26] <rbrown> jamesd_, would it be easier for my to take a bus to work or run, i've never actually ran to work nore do I know my way
[01:17:34] <lloy0076> I just thought someone might say: "Haven't you seen the port of Apple's Network Config tools to Solaris yet" :)
[01:17:59] <rbrown> lloy0076, its pretty straight forward modify 3 ppp files
[01:18:02] <jamesd_> rdrown exactly...  you and lloy0076 have a keep observation of the obvious.
[01:18:27] <lloy0076> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/stateoftheart/mac/systempreferences/
[01:18:44] * delewis wishes zpool attach/detach were a bit more intelligent
[01:18:57] <delewis> I'm detaching disks so I can re-attach them -- just on a different controller
[01:19:02] <lloy0076> rbrown: My glitch would be that if it went pear shaped, I'd have no Internet and an OS that I'm not familiar with. At least if a Linux went pear shaped, I'd have a fair chance of recover.
[01:19:09] <delewis> and of course, ZFS is re-silvering the entire drive
[01:19:16] <lloy0076> Anyway, hopefully the dialup will only be for a week or two :)
[01:19:17] <delewis> which is quite expensive and time consuming.
[01:20:20] <lloy0076> Is it possible to have a global container that is really only host to another container (so that you could run ZFS on all partitions)?
[01:22:24] <delewis> I guess I'll submit an RFE and see if it gets shot down :-)
[01:23:07] <edp> delewis, i was under the impression that you could physically move disks around between controllers and zfs would be smart enough to figure out which disks are which for your pools
[01:23:44] <delewis> edp, that doesn't seem to be the case with Solaris 10 11/06
[01:23:48] <delewis> it seems to resilver in any case.
[01:24:07] <edp> i mean that you should be able to skip the detach/attach steps altogether
[01:24:28] <delewis> hmm, true
[01:24:36] <delewis> detach/attach might be going about it the wrong way.
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[01:25:35] <delewis> I tried using 'replace' but it warned about the disk being an existing pooldev.
[01:25:52] <delewis> other than that, I don't see a lot of other options.
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[01:26:17] <edp> you can't just shut down, move the disks to another controller, and boot back up?
[01:26:32] <delewis> they're already visible on the other controller
[01:26:45] <delewis> this is a fibre-channel array, though, I could just switch the paths around
[01:26:50] <delewis> that seems like too much of a hack, however.
[01:27:00] <edp> ah
[01:30:56] <jcsmith> i'm looking to build a home file server with opensolaris, has anyone here done this and if so do you have any recommendations on sata controllers and mother boards?
[01:41:27] <delewis> jcsmith, take a look at the HCL at bigadmin.com
[01:42:11] <jcsmith> yea, i looked at the hcl for what was supported, i was just hoping someone had done it and had recommendations of not if something worked, but if something worked well
[01:42:37] <delewis> if there's any certified motherboards and SATA chipsets, I'd go with those.
[01:42:50] <delewis> but I'm not sure if individual components are certified.
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[01:50:32] <jcsmith> yea, i've never even installed solaris on a non sun box before so shopping for compatible hardware for sun is a new experience for me
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[02:11:27] <Fish> good bye
[02:16:24] <edp> jcsmith, you might try checking the zfs-discuss and storage-discuss mailing lists
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[02:16:46] <edp> there have been a few threads on those in the past about motherboards and sata controllers
[02:17:08] <jcsmith> thanks edp, i'll look now :-P
[02:18:19] <edp> if you're looking for a cheap sata controller, one mentioned on the list was a si3224 or something like that which is around $30 USD
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[02:29:06] <jcsmith> i've got a sata controller pretty much picked out right now i'm looking at motherboards
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[02:32:17] <jamesd_> jcsmith,  you want a  amd  64bit cpu and  the more dimm slots the better
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[02:37:51] <sahafeez> just nuked my old fileserver and i am installing 54 w/zfs for a fileserver. hope this works ;)
[02:39:23] <sahafeez> wow. big issue. does not see all the disk.
[02:40:23] <sahafeez> hum. i do not remember what the pci ide controller is. shit.
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[02:51:06] <sahafeez> installer locked up..
[02:53:47] <edwardocallaghan> Oh dear
[02:59:58] <sahafeez> trying text (console session)
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[03:15:27] <l-fy> hi
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[03:56:40] <Doc> Total: 60 processes, 1311 lwps, load averages: 2114.98, 1470.89, 884.84
[03:57:20] <delewis> Doc, SF25k?
[03:57:29] <Doc> 3800
[03:57:38] <delewis> heh, impressive.
[03:57:45] <delewis> how many procs?
[03:57:48] <Doc> with, apparently, 3 processors
[03:58:00] <Doc> which is interesting, because we dont make a 3 CPU board
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[03:58:18] <delewis> someone decided to be cheap, I guess.
[03:58:47] <Doc> nah.. i'm being nasty to it
[04:00:56] <hile_> what the hell are you doing?
[04:01:26] <Doc> basically a fork bomb
[04:01:37] <hile_> nice
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[04:06:38] <hile_> Doc: any idea what the hell i've done wrong for one of my 280Rs not to like diag-output-to rsc ?
[04:07:15] <Doc> input-device rsc-console
[04:07:20] <hile_> {0} ok diag-output-to rsc
[04:07:20] <hile_> diag-output-to ?
[04:07:29] <Doc> output-device rsc-console
[04:07:38] <Doc> diag-out-console true
[04:07:48] <Doc> (each with a "setenv" or "eeprom" before them)
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[04:07:55] <LukeH> hello
[04:07:56] <Doc> does the same thing
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[04:08:47] <LukeH> I don't know where my manager hear the rumor from, but he says that Sparc will be phased out within the next 5 years
[04:08:59] <rbrown> sparc on lowend
[04:09:06] <rbrown> its already happening
[04:09:07] <Doc> hell no
[04:09:24] <rbrown> Sun wants everyone off sparc on lowend :)
[04:09:30] <Doc> yes. it's being phased out, that's why we're investing billions in Niagara X (for X>1) and Rock
[04:09:35] <LukeH> and he's planning for the next batch of hardware purchase for the next major project on opteron (X86)
[04:09:58] <Doc> someone needs to ask for an NDA presentation from their sales rep...
[04:10:17] <LukeH> NDA presentation ?
[04:10:28] <jbk> if it's anything web related, you'd be better off to get some niagras
[04:10:29] <delewis> LukeH, Sun porn.
[04:10:33] <jbk> or email
[04:10:34] <jbk> ldap
[04:10:37] <delewis> that you can't talk about after seeing.
[04:10:44] <jbk> and probably a few others too
[04:10:49] <Doc> Non-Disclosure Agreement
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[04:11:21] <rbrown> Doc, it all depends some stuff are being phased out, like the UIIIi stuff I Dont see anything in the works for the small low end single core sparc systems
[04:11:36] <Doc> define low-end?
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[04:12:19] <LukeH> but the OS itself, is not being phased out , right ?
[04:12:33] <Doc> hell no
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[04:12:42] <LukeH> low end stuffs like 280R, Sunfire 240, etc.
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[04:13:01] <Doc> lukeh: after signing that NDA, ask about FF1 and FF2
[04:13:02] <jbk> what are you planning to use it for?
[04:13:17] <LukeH> mainly oracle RAC
[04:13:38] <rbrown> Niagaras isnt really a solution for the people who invested heavily in v100's 210's, 240's
[04:13:52] <LukeH> and a bunch of new apps like webmethods, IBM websphere, etc.
[04:13:54] <Doc> rbrown: sure it is
[04:14:01] <rbrown> Doc, not at a price perspective
[04:14:34] <delewis> rbrown, I don't see why not. You could replace a ton of v100s with a single Niagra.
[04:14:50] <rbrown> delewis, it dont work liek that :)
[04:14:57] <Doc> yes, it does
[04:15:00] <LukeH> well, people at my place are talking about ditching V890's
[04:15:01] <rbrown> no not reall
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[04:15:13] <Doc> especially with LDOMs
[04:15:16] <rbrown> Doc, in that case I should just buy 25k's and not buy Niagaras?
[04:15:24] <rbrown> why buy niagaras when I can just consolidate them on 25k's
[04:15:28] <Doc> hourses for courses
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[04:17:11] <Tpenta> there are things that 25ks do better than niagras in price/performance and vioce versa, like doc says "horses for courses"
[04:17:20] <rbrown> from my point of view it seems like Sun want's everyone in the 1-8 way space on x86 and the highly threaded MP apps on Coolthreads
[04:17:35] <rbrown> everything else on APL or what ever they are calling their highend sparc now
[04:17:41] <Tpenta> then we're obviously not communicating as well as we could
[04:17:46] <rbrown> I Dont think this is bad by the way makes sense
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[04:18:26] <Doc> tpenta: actually, i said "hourses for courses" - if you're going to quote me please at least get it right!
[04:18:27] <Tpenta> there are things that are appropriate for the low end x86, there are things that are appropriate for the low end sparc, there are things that are appropriate for the high end sparc. likewise, there are things that are highly inappropriate for each of those classes
[04:18:28] <rbrown> the fact that they killed the UIIIi and didnt release a UIIIi+
[04:18:33] <rbrown> makes me think this
[04:18:57] <Doc> (don't ask me what a "hourses" is though - i'm not exactly sure)
[04:19:03] <rbrown> Tpenta, that's jus the thing I dont see any HW that fits sparc low end
[04:19:18] <rbrown> from a cost standpoint.
[04:19:20] <Tpenta> t1000/t2000?
[04:19:25] <rbrown> too expensive
[04:19:50] <rbrown> compared to the likes of a netra t1/v100
[04:19:53] <Tpenta> the idea being to aggregate half a dozen boxes onto the one and make some incredible power savings and remove some sysadmin headaches
[04:20:04] <delewis> rbrown, for the amount of consolidation you can do on a T1000/T2000, I don't think it fits into the same price scale of "low-end".
[04:20:18] <rbrown> delewis, consolidation only makes sense when it can be done
[04:20:25] <Tpenta> true
[04:20:31] <rbrown> that's not the case in MY environments
[04:20:38] <Tpenta> ok
[04:20:45] <boyd> Cool... I just managed to core dump zpool
[04:20:50] <rbrown> One Cost center buys an server they own it
[04:20:53] <rbrown> they refuse to share it :)
[04:21:00] <rbrown> its their box
[04:21:07] <boyd> Yeah, I see that a bit too, rbrown
[04:21:13] <rbrown> its much easier to buy a v100 for throw away hardware
[04:21:14] <Tpenta> that's sad for the organisation, but go on
[04:21:17] <rbrown> than it is for say a T1000
[04:21:25] <Tpenta> fair enuff
[04:21:58] <rbrown> that's just the thing I dont see sparc in the low end anymore after the UIIIi is EOL which I think is next year? after the 245/445 stops shipping
[04:22:47] <Doc> FF1 and FF2
[04:22:53] <Doc> talk to your sales person
[04:23:01] <boyd> True, Doc
[04:23:02] <LeftWing> There's nothing technology can do, in the long run, to alleviate idiotic organisational policy.
[04:23:03] <rbrown> I have I've seen sun's roadmap
[04:23:10] <boyd> Too true, LeftWing
[04:23:20] <rbrown> LeftWing, its not idiocial organizational policy
[04:23:31] <rbrown> take for example people who just want a low end sparc to do testing
[04:23:40] <rbrown> they dont need a t1000 :)
[04:23:48] <rbrown> its not like the T1000 cost $1000 like did the v100's
[04:24:02] <delewis> T1000 wouldn't be ideal for testing, true.
[04:24:13] <rbrown> delewis, yes but not at their pricing
[04:24:20] <delewis> consolidation implies resource management, that implies a strict definition of the workload.
[04:24:21] <boyd> Isn't it a little like saying "take people who want a low end jet fighter to do testing... there should be one about the price of a car"?
[04:24:42] <rbrown> Sun took killed the UIIIi which eventually killed the v100's v220's v240's v440's what replaces that line? :)
[04:25:03] <Tpenta> it's a good question and one that your sales rep should be able to answer (i hope)
[04:25:35] <rbrown> Tpenta, they did
[04:25:36] <jbk> or poke around on theregister a bit.. :)
[04:25:39] <rbrown> its called x86 :)
[04:25:39] <LeftWing> One day a sufficient majority of people will actually understand that what you should be buying is capacity, not necessarilly hardware.
[04:25:50] <rbrown> x4100, x4200 :)
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[04:26:33] <rbrown> LeftWing, I'm not disagreeing just starting an issue here :)
[04:26:56] <boyd> LeftWing: One day anought people will realise that the range of available machines don't just sit on a single line for all workloads too.
[04:27:00] <LeftWing> rbrown: Well, I'm disagreeing with the "One Cost Center owns a server" idea.  That part is idiotic organisational policy.
[04:27:23] <LeftWing> boyd: The Myth of the General Purpose Electronic Computer is alive and well, though. =)
[04:27:26] <rbrown> LeftWing, yeah our different cost centers run like sperate companies sadly we service them :)
[04:27:39] <delewis> heh, I don't much care for that situation. Killing off low-end SPARC hardware for x86 to replace it is going to leave a lot of people in trouble that still have SPARC applications. Something makes me think the sales rep has it wrong.
[04:27:57] <LeftWing> delewis: Or that the message is not being properly decoded. =P
[04:28:04] <delewis> LeftWing, right.
[04:28:16] <jbk> could be crappy sales rep
[04:28:39] <boyd> I don't see any reason that one should assume that the stuff that comes out of the Niagara work will always be at the same pricepoint
[04:28:47] <boyd> jbk: Never! I'
[04:28:52] <boyd> jbk: Never! I'm shocked!
[04:28:53] <rbrown> delewis, no its a perfect solution for us none of our applications where architecture specific and we see x86 as a much better platform for applications that we use to use sparc for in the past
[04:29:04] <delewis> boyd, this is true. A price drop on Niagra1 would be nice after Niagra2 is released.
[04:29:30] <delewis> though, Sun may not keep Niagra1 around very long.
[04:29:39] <jbk> well i know of one case where sun lost a sale cause their sales rep was plain incompetent, simply because he could confirm pricing for software as per sun's website
[04:29:58] <Tpenta> unfortunately, shit happens.
[04:30:28] <LeftWing> jbk: Sun aren't the only company in the world that hires humans. =P
[04:30:39] <LeftWing> *isn't
[04:30:44] <boyd> There are incompetent people in all fields of human endeavour. Much as I like what Sun do, I'd rather they worked in sales at sun than on, say, aircraft maintenance.
[04:30:44] <delewis> rbrown, lucky you. Lots of people are only fed by what vendors give them.
[04:30:44] <jbk> basically, they wanted sun's mail server, sales guy couldn't answer if it meant they also had to buy a directory server license
[04:31:06] <delewis> jbk, and ironically, all of that is irrelevant now, unless you want support.
[04:31:07] <LeftWing> boyd: Or even engineering work at Sun.
[04:31:13] <jbk> well it would have included support
[04:31:14] <boyd> LeftWing: Indeed
[04:31:27] <Doc> no offence, but if you make a decision of something like mail server software based on a salesmans inability to answer a question like that... well..
[04:31:46] <LeftWing> That would be rather squarely your own look-out, I suspect.
[04:31:51] <jbk> but this is something that he _should_ know or should have found out, but didn't, so lost the sale
[04:31:52] <boyd> Still, Doc, if it's line-ball...
[04:32:24] <jbk> well, basically it came down to, he couldnt' give a straigt answer for 'we want to support X mail accounts, what is the cost for the software?'
[04:33:33] <jbk> if your sales guy can't do that, would you trust giving him business?
[04:33:42] <LeftWing> I would request another Sales Guy.
[04:33:52] <delewis> that or his supervisor
[04:34:03] <Tpenta> the unfortunate thing is that sales like this are often based on deadlines
[04:34:20] <LeftWing> Tpenta: Yeah, that part sucks.
[04:34:27] <jbk> yeah, this place (not where I work) ended up going with a 3rd party to provide the service instead
[04:35:02] <LeftWing> jbk: As in the service is hosted and managed by a third party, or they hired consultants to put in Exchange? ;P
[04:35:11] <jbk> no
[04:35:16] <jbk> hosted and managed by 3rd party
[04:35:16] <Tpenta> my brother works for an australian cust who did that, he is feeling the support issues big time and making sure that his management is aware of every problem they have
[04:35:28] <rbrown> http://rodrickbrown.com/docs/images/sunw.jpg
[04:35:37] <rbrown> get it while its hot!
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[04:35:49] <LeftWing> I need to eat as well.
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[04:36:13] <jbk> i do hope they correct that..
[04:36:24] <delewis> wow, I missed it when SUNW hit $5/share, I guess.
[04:36:36] <LeftWing> It was a while ago.
[04:36:42] <jbk> i mean, i'm spoiled, due to where i work, we tend to not have those issues
[04:36:45] <LeftWing> Prior to the last earnings announcement.
[04:37:26] <jbk> but stuff like that makes me embarassed sometimes when i recommend sun to colleagues at other companies who aren't as large, and won't get the same sales people
[04:37:47] <LeftWing> Well in this case not getting the same sales people might be an advantage. ;)
[04:38:14] <delewis> it's been my experience that European customers, specifically from the UK, have a very difficult time buying hardware.
[04:38:41] <delewis> not unless you're a decent sized shop, that is.
[04:39:11] <jbk> well it does sound like that perhaps things are being done to address that
[04:39:22] <jbk> though i suspect it's not sometihng that can be changed instantly..
[04:39:43] * LeftWing runs away to lunch.
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[04:42:16] <boyd> delewis: I've heard that about small shops buying in the UK before
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[04:54:21] <Doc> # ptime sleep 1
[04:54:22] <Doc> real        8.119
[04:57:40] <elektronkind> hmm
[04:57:43] <elektronkind> man
[04:57:52] <elektronkind> is there something like user_attr, but for groups?
[04:58:11] <Doc> use projects
[04:58:18] <elektronkind> I'd hate to make another NIS map for my 20k users
[04:59:11] <elektronkind> hmm, what I'm trying to do is give an entire group certain dtrace privs. I can do that in projects?
[05:00:56] <boyd> elektronkind: I don't think so.
[05:02:27] <elektronkind> that's what I thought :/
[05:02:46] <elektronkind> seems silly that there's not a _attr for groups.
[05:04:11] <boyd> I've often thought so... it seems so often that groups are treated like a kind of embarrasment
[05:10:25] <elektronkind> for this particular nis domain, all my users are in one group... so being able to give them all the privs I want with one line in a local file, rather than a whole new nis map, would just be dandy :/
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[05:14:12] <boyd> If all users get the same privs you could do it in /etc/security/policy.conf with PRIV_DEFAULT
[05:17:04] <boyd> clrg offline nfs-rg
[05:17:08] <boyd> Doh!
[05:18:55] <elektronkind> ohh, good point
[06:00:11] <sahafeez> well, hum. new install. 1st boot is slow as hell....
[06:01:47] <sahafeez> wow. hit enter on the gnome thing like 3 mins ago...still waiting..
[06:02:36] <sahafeez> nice....application gnome-session has crashed
[06:03:06] <Tpenta> what theme are you using?
[06:03:14] <Tpenta> I've seen many problems with nimbus
[06:03:25] <sahafeez> amd-xp-2200, nvidia card. 512mb of ram. ide disk.
[06:03:36] <sahafeez> hum...starting now...
[06:04:00] <Tpenta> oh you said gnome-session, I thought it was one of the apps
[06:04:10] <sahafeez> getting a ton of udma key sense errors. system has been working fine as a fileserver under openbsd for about a year
[06:07:30] <sahafeez> hum. how do i see if this has seen my pci ide card and disk? x86 is strange
[06:07:44] <Tpenta> have a look at prtdiag
[06:07:53] <sahafeez> prtconf shows 2 ide but i do not see the pci card
[06:08:08] <sahafeez> prtdiag does not work
[06:08:15] <Tpenta> in what way?
[06:08:16] <sahafeez> fialed to opem SMBIOS
[06:08:19] <Tpenta> ahhh
[06:08:23] <Tpenta> what have you just installed?
[06:08:29] <sahafeez> 54
[06:08:30] <Tpenta> that's what i shoudl have asked first
[06:08:33] <Tpenta> hmmmm
[06:08:41] <sahafeez> on amdxp-2200
[06:09:06] <Tpenta> prtpicl ?
[06:10:15] <sahafeez> ok. that works....but still not sure what it what
[06:11:29] <Tpenta> you might also want to try it with -v (and pipe it thru less)
[06:12:37] <sahafeez> well it does not see it. least wise | grep ide only shows the mb ide1&2
[06:13:17] <Tpenta> hmmm
[06:14:08] <sahafeez> ok. found it. i think. model: Mass storage controller and pci1283,8212. it is an it8212 ide controllor so...
[06:14:16] <sahafeez> does not look like the ide drive is attaching to it
[06:14:24] <sahafeez> but i am guessing in the dark
[06:14:29] <Tpenta> hmmm
[06:15:30] <sahafeez> so how do i tell pci-ide drive that pci1283,8212 is an ide card
[06:15:53] <Tpenta> does it have any driver attached to it?
[06:16:10] <Tpenta> and do you know for certain that we have a driver for it?
[06:16:11] <Tpenta> /me wonders where jmcp is when you want him
[06:16:15] <sahafeez> no
[06:16:42] <sahafeez> it should work. found post of it being support as a mb chipset. just not as a pci card...figured....
[06:16:42] <Tpenta> it's dangerous to play with path_to_inst if you are not sure that one of the drivers actually knows how to drive it
[06:17:04] <sahafeez> dont care. new install. if it borks it borks
[06:17:20] <Tpenta> as there are not a lot of folks here at the moment, it might be a good question for opensolris-help
[06:18:01] <sahafeez> mailing list?
[06:19:11] <sahafeez> isnt there something about /boot/solaris/devicedb/master and added ids
[06:22:55] <sahafeez> added it. rebooting.
[06:27:14] <sahafeez> damn it. added it. no love.
[06:27:20] <sahafeez> driver not attached
[06:27:26] <sahafeez> !seen jmcp
[06:27:27] <Drone> jmcp (jmcp!n=jmcp at 203 dot 48.45.194) was last seen in #opensolaris on Thu 21 Dec 2006 06:09 GMT, saying 'jbk: I assume you're not talking about the manpage nfs(4) .....'.
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[06:34:56] <onbot> commit by Peter Memishian:  6491652 MBLK_GETLABEL() doesn't belong in <sys/strsun.h>; 6495541 stale IRE/ARP cache entries can remain after DL_NOTE_PHYS_ADDR; 6499894 IPSQ framework should allow quiescing via ip_rput(); 6499904 ip_rput_dlpi_writer() may panic under low memory
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[06:44:34] <sahafeez> how long should it take to boot if i touch reconfigure
[06:45:37] <sahafeez> ugh.
[06:58:54] <whaq> heh
[07:02:56] <onbot> commit by gc161489:  PSARC 2006/649 USB Interface Association support; 6463853 USB IAD should be supported in solaris (updated usb bindings, FWARC 2006/671)
[07:04:14] * delewis is not satisfied with the answers he's gotten so far from his zfs-discuss thread
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[07:04:37] <boyd> delewis: Not happy with export/import?
[07:04:50] * sahafeez would be happy to get zfs running so he could have something to ask about. (damn ide crtl)
[07:04:54] <delewis> I shouldn't have to export a pool and import it just to change the device ZFS uses.
[07:05:02] <delewis> boyd, it's not exactly ideal.
[07:05:07] * boyd nods
[07:05:14] <delewis> the drives are already visible on both paths..
[07:05:26] <boyd> Offline/online shoudl be enough I reckon
[07:05:29] <delewis> and I just want to change the controllers the mirrored pooldevs are on
[07:05:41] <delewis> boyd, offline/online won't help
[07:05:59] <delewis> it's a JBOD, the disks are there, and the only way I'd be able to do anything is to physically swap the paths.
[07:06:03] <boyd> I know, but I think something like that should work
[07:06:26] <delewis> what we need is an intelligent ZFS replace or attach/detach
[07:06:43] <boyd> yah
[07:08:27] <boyd> zfs edit? :)
[07:08:28] <sahafeez> : is the master file /boot/solaris/devicedb/master not in use anymore?
[07:08:55] <delewis> boyd, I'd rather not :-)
[07:08:55] <boyd> Personally, I've never heard of it.
[07:08:58] <delewis> I'll just whine for an RFE
[07:08:59] <delewis> :-)
[07:10:39] * delewis can't believe someone hasn't run into this before
[07:11:11] <delewis> SVM requires a re-silvering, as well, but this is ZFS :-)
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[07:16:57] <sahafeez> so if i do a touch /reconfigure on a x86 and get to the Hostname: bla line and ... how long?
[07:17:22] <delewis> sahafeez, 1 or 2 minutes.
[07:17:31] <sahafeez> going on 4
[07:18:35] * boyd shrugs. As long as it takes. use boot -v for a little more progress info :)
[07:19:28] <sahafeez> were do you get to type the boot -v on a x86? i lack an ok prompt
[07:20:13] <delewis> sahafeez, edit the grub kernel line
[07:20:22] <delewis> at boot-time
[07:20:26] <sahafeez> ah.
[07:20:33] * sahafeez hates x86
[07:21:02] <sahafeez> at what point do i say, wow, this is locked up?
[07:21:28] <delewis> do you hear drive seeks? :-)
[07:21:57] <sahafeez> to noisey to tell
[07:23:05] * sahafeez is getting fustrated.
[07:23:12] <delewis> sahafeez, join the club.
[07:26:04] * sahafeez reaches for the reset
[07:27:12] <sahafeez> ok, in grub, editing the boot line. add -v to the end of the kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot?
[07:29:51] <delewis> yes
[07:30:04] <sahafeez> ok. boot stops at pseudo1 is /pseudo/zconsnex@1
[07:30:15] <sahafeez> this booted before did a touch /reconfigure
[07:30:16] <sahafeez> hum
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[07:38:09] <boyd> sahafeez: The only other option I can think of is to boot -vk then hit F1-A when it sseems to hang and try to work out what's going on from a stack trace or something
[07:38:35] <sahafeez> hum. i think i will pop down to frys tomorrow and try to find another ide pci card that works.
[07:39:16] <boyd> Oh, that's right you've been screwing with the drivers... you can use the failsafe option and then mount root I think
[07:40:12] <sahafeez> yah. the only think i changed was eeprom pci-ide=1283,8212
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[07:40:36] <sahafeez> i am looking at this thread
[07:40:37] <sahafeez> http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5088663
[07:40:51] <sahafeez> can anyone confirm that the master file is not being used anymore
[07:43:26] <boyd> I think that may have been part of DCA (which went away at about build 16). not sure
[07:44:22] <sahafeez> how do i undo an eeprom command?
[07:50:06] <IvanR_> sahafeez: check /boot/solaris/bootenv.rc
[07:54:46] <sahafeez> thanks
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[08:47:56] <elektronkind> hmm
[08:48:05] <elektronkind> dtrace_user doesn't seem to get me a whole lot
[08:48:18] <elektronkind> like, I can't even dapptrace my own process
[08:49:40] <delewis> tyadding dtrace_proc
[08:49:44] <delewis> try adding, rather.
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[09:09:07] <boyd> I'd have though that dtrace_user would let you use the syscall provider on your own procs at least.
[09:09:11] <boyd> thought
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[09:39:19] <elektronkind> me too
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[09:39:35] <elektronkind> dtrace_proc does the trick, though
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[10:17:23] <Doc> ok, what's everyones recommendation for a good/cheap .com domain registry?
[10:18:09] <phips> Doc: where are you based, US, UK?
[10:18:28] <Doc> phips: why would it matter?
[10:18:49] <phips> Doc: Payment ;-) A good UK one is 123-reg.co.uk
[10:19:09] <Doc> blah.. they all take CC
[10:19:32] <Doc> 9 pound aint cheap
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[10:20:12] <phips> Crikey, is it not? Wow. I remember when it cost 50 quid a year! :-P
[10:20:59] <Triskelios> gandi is a nice community-oriented registrar, but their prices are also in that high end
[10:21:34] <Doc> prices seem to be as low as $2 for the first year now, then about $10/year
[10:21:51] <Doc> i've been using joker and i've been happy, but they are 11.50
[10:22:44] <quasi> 11.50 usd is still quite a bit less than 9 pounds
[10:23:03] <Doc> exactly
[10:23:43] <phips> Joker are a nightmare to move from, if you ever want to though, IIRC
[10:24:02] <quasi> yeah, I've heard that as well
[10:24:04] <richlowe> it's the UK exchange rate that gets you.
[10:24:23] 
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[10:25:23] <phips> richlowe: too true. They don't call this place 'Treasure Island' for nothing ;-)
[10:26:12] <quasi> joker.com reseller prices look quite a bit better ;)
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[10:43:43] <Gr|ffous> does anyone feel up to helping me through a compilation issue? I'm getting "symbol belongs to implicit dependency" twice when trying to compile amarok.
[10:43:53] <asyd> \_o<
[10:44:19] <quasi> hey asyd
[10:44:21] <Gr|ffous> what is that ascii asyd?
[10:44:38] <asyd> hello quasi, how are you
[10:44:39] <andersmo> quack! =)
[10:44:40] <asyd> Gr|ffous: a duck
[10:45:04] <Gr|ffous> oh... right :)
[10:45:13] * quasi needs to caffeinate
[10:45:49] <Gr|ffous> I'd really like to bash my way through this, I'm trying to get this to work so that I can make a pkg from it, which I can then contribute to blastwave to save someone else the pain I'm facing right now.
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[10:46:58] <asyd> http://www.asyd.net/home/geeklog/2006/12/28/easyssl maybe some people here may be interest
[10:47:56] <richlowe> Gr|ffous: a symbol used by <thing> is only available via a dependency of a library you link with, rather than a library you explicitly link with.
[10:48:03] <richlowe> explicitly link the library you need.
[10:48:04] <richlowe> (I think)
[10:50:56] <Gr|ffous> thanks for the pointer richlowe, here is the full raft: http://rafb.net/p/8sq7qr26.html
[10:51:09] <Gr|ffous> rafb rather.
[10:51:40] <quasi> asyd: nice - we had something like that at $work many years back - all the major things you'd want to do in openssl wrapped in a simple c++ wrapper
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[10:52:26] <Gr|ffous> so, in this case, I'm failing on QT-mt, which I've explicitly provided a path for, what else should I be trying?
[10:52:34] <quasi> asyd: how do you "wrngiti"? ;)
[10:52:55] <asyd> ah :)
[10:53:05] <asyd> I wrote that at 3h the morning
[10:53:48] <richlowe> Hm, maybe I'm wrong.
[10:53:57] <richlowe> it looks like it wants you to explicitly link libstdc++, which seems odd.
[10:54:06] <richlowe> unless it's unhappy that you're building C++ with gcc rather than g++
[10:54:09] <quasi> asyd: but yeah, I like the idea
[10:55:00] <quasi> asyd: openssl needs a simple api that wraps all the nasty bits
[10:55:25] <asyd> yeah
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[10:57:25] <Gr|ffous> richlowe, you're my hero!
[10:57:42] <Gr|ffous> that was it, thanks :)
[10:58:07] <Gr|ffous> {$CXX=/path/to/gcc} != good :)
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[11:23:51] <cmihai> I'm having some issues with "dladm create-aggr -d bge0 -d bge1 1" on svn_54. Both are Gbit...
[11:24:00] <cmihai> dladm: create operation failed: Device busy (invalid interface name)
[11:24:09] <cmihai> And I did down/up the interfaces, all that.
[11:24:16] <cmihai> And bge is supposed to be supported.\
[11:26:39] <Berny_> the nic has to be plumbed but not up
[11:26:45] <Berny_> iirc
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[11:28:26] <lasseoe> cmihai: are both interfaces down?
[11:28:44] <Gr|ffous> does anyone know why gmake won take -j as an arguement, despite gmake --help stating that -j is an option?
[11:31:22] <cmihai> lasseoe: yeah
[11:31:33] <cmihai> lasseoe: am I supposed to do anything else?
[11:33:24] <lasseoe> no I was just wondering if you were trying to aggregate interfaces that were up (and thus busy) :)
[11:35:53] <richlowe> Gr|ffous: it should...
[11:36:43] <richlowe> make(1) won't, however.
[11:37:20] <richlowe> the behaviour of make with -j is downright irritating, too.
[11:37:34] <richlowe> > make -j
[11:37:35] <richlowe> ...
[11:37:38] <richlowe> make: Fatal error: Missing argument after `-j'
[11:37:42] <richlowe> > make -j 10
[11:37:45] <richlowe> make: Warning: Ignoring DistributedMake -j option
[11:37:56] <quasi> richlowe: gmake -j 10
[11:37:57] <richlowe> nice of it to make you use the option it doesn't support correctly, huh? :)
[11:38:16] <richlowe> quasi: gmake actually takes -j without an argument, it's behaviour in that case is outright evil though.
[11:38:42] <richlowe> quasi: (gmake -j runs as many jobs as the Makefiles allow for, generally bringing the machine to its knees)
[11:39:25] <richlowe> nothing like pushing the load avg above 2200 with a simple typo :)
[11:39:39] * quasi moves to a t2000 and fires off gmake -j
[11:42:03] <Gr|ffous> right, so it's not just me then :)
[11:42:20] <richlowe> Gr|ffous: make isn't gmake, make is make.
[11:43:08] <cmihai> lasseoe: meh, I unplumbed the thing and now it worked.
[11:43:29] <Gr|ffous> understood, but the gmake issue appears much the same
[11:43:52] <richlowe> gmake should accept -j <num> or -j, is it not, or am I misunderstanding?
[11:44:33] <richlowe> (if it's not, you probably need to use MAKE=$(which gmake) ./configure ...)
[11:45:37] <Gr|ffous> for me it was giving the same confused error as you mentioned with make above. I'll start with that var set from the ./config stage and try again
[11:46:18] <richlowe> it probably has 'make' hardwired into the makefiles at some point or other, hopefully you can convince it not to do that. :)
[11:47:35] <cmihai> w00t, aggr works and it's damn fast :D
[11:47:50] <Berny_> .oO(mv make make.org; ln -s /path/to/gmake make)
[11:51:28] <Gr|ffous> richlowe, worked this time around, thanks
[11:52:21] <Gr|ffous> is there a list of env variables that you guys all use when trying to compile software with the gnu toolchain? I've discovered CC CXX MAKE, and a few others so far the hardway
[11:53:01] <richlowe> INSTALL='/usr/ucb/install -c'
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[12:02:53] <lasseoe> cmihai: lovely :)
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[12:06:17] <Berny_> christ why is sdlc sooo slow today?
[12:06:30] <cmihai> lasseoe: yeah. Appart from the fact dladm ate all my cpu and froze teh machine :P
[12:07:24] <Doc> cmihai: you complain too much! stop it! :)
[12:07:45] <boyd>  /me wishes he had a net connection that was fast enough that he could complain about the sdlc
[12:09:08] <Berny_> boyd: :-) at home with my good old 56kbps modem i wouldn't complain either ;-)
[12:10:22] <Berny_> .oO(but today at office where i usually see 20x the speed... )
[12:13:21] * boyd kicks off a flash jumpstart and goes off to make a coffee. Anyone want one?
[12:14:57] <quasi> boyd: yeah, I could use a flash jumpstart ;)
[12:15:00] <Doc> please
[12:15:32] <Doc> go put my laundry on while you're at it
[12:15:43] <boyd> Double decaf soy latte with a twist of lemon for Doc.
[12:15:54] <richlowe> you forgot the little umbrella.
[12:16:15] <boyd> hehe. and a marachino cherry
[12:16:45] <boyd> quasi: Sorry, the fridge is all out of jumpstarts :)
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[12:17:07] <Doc> boyd: hmm.. where did that particular order come from?
[12:17:20] <quasi> boyd: darn - I'll just have to settle for a fresh brewed coffee then
[12:17:21] <Doc> specifically, was it in one of the weekend papers in some form?
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[12:17:49] <boyd> Doc: Dunno.. I think it was in "LA Story" or something similar.
[12:17:56] * delewis throws stones at sunsolve
[12:18:09] * boyd helps delewis
[12:18:12] <Doc> yah.. but i read it somewhere a few days ago.. in one of the weekend papers i think
[12:18:21] <delewis> boyd, logins are taking forever. :-(
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[12:18:39] <quasi> delewis: don't break the last bits of sunsolve
[12:18:39] <boyd> Could be... I havent had time to read a newspaper for... about 2 years :)
[12:18:52] <delewis> I wonder if SunSolve 6.0 will be any better :-)
[12:19:13] <boyd> delewis: What about the bit where you go somewhere and then it want you to login but once you log in it's forgotten what you asked to see.
[12:19:27] <boyd> delewis: Hah! Have you tried the beta? I couldn't detect any change
[12:19:30] <Doc> what's up with sunsolve?
[12:19:33] <delewis> boyd, yes, that's my major complaint about SunSolve.
[12:19:44] <delewis> I always forget to login before looking at Infodocs and what not
[12:19:57] <delewis> I get about 7 or 8 links deep, and *poof*
[12:20:02] <Doc> yah.. that's fucking annoying... i should go and bitch to the sunsolve PM about it
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[12:20:11] <quasi> Doc: please do
[12:20:14] <boyd> Please do
[12:20:19] <delewis> "Internal Server Error. The system is currently unavailable."
[12:20:25] <delewis> nice.
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[12:20:45] <boyd> It's, like, the only website left on the entire internet that forgets where you were
[12:20:48] <Doc> sunsolve in it's current form will go away in the medium term anyway
[12:21:01] <quasi> delewis: your stones must have hit something
[12:21:14] <boyd> Doc:  I think that's required by the Geneva Convention on Human  Rights
[12:21:19] <delewis> I probably dinted the Ultra 1 SunSolve runs on :-)
[12:21:22] <boyd> haha
[12:21:34] <delewis> dented, rather.
[12:21:38] <quasi> Doc: the beta sunsolve doesn't look all that much better
[12:21:41] <Doc> i have, in my spare room, the ultra 1 that used to be www.netscape.com.au
[12:21:50] <Doc> quasi: no.. i mean "go away"
[12:21:50] <delewis> Doc, nice!
[12:21:57] <boyd> I truely couldn't see a diff in the beta 6.0
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[12:22:05] <Doc> completely different product, completely different everything except the content itself
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[12:22:38] * quasi groans - there goes all the links
[12:22:44] <boyd> Lol
[12:22:57] <cmihai> How do you remove the maintenence flag from  svc:/network/physical:default
[12:23:04] <delewis> svcadm clear
[12:23:05] <richlowe> svcadm clear
[12:23:07] <boyd> quasi: Farm doc numbers and titles now for use as search strings
[12:23:14] <Snake007uk> damnit
[12:23:18] <Snake007uk> i knew that
[12:23:42] <quasi> boyd: except at the current speed, that would take well into next year ;)
[12:23:47] <cmihai> Yep, ssh is now online. Thanks :)
[12:24:03] * boyd goes to get the coffee he started to make
[12:24:16] <delewis> I did learn something yesterday -- /etc/hostname.<interface> is necessary for the interface to be plumbed.
[12:24:23] <delewis> took me a bit to figure out why DHCP wasn't working.
[12:24:49] <delewis> helps if the interface is plumbed befre ifconfig <interface> dhcp start :-)
[12:25:15] <PerterB> isn't /etc/dhcp.<interface> sufficient for that?
[12:25:22] <delewis> PerterB, that was my thinking.
[12:25:26] <Auralis> no
[12:25:33] <delewis> but you have to have at the very least an empty /etc/hostname.<interface>, too.
[12:25:40] <Auralis> the plumbing is done when /ec/hostname.iface is present
[12:25:41] <PerterB> ah
[12:25:53] <PerterB> shows how many Solaris DHCP clients I have had over the years ;)
[12:26:16] <delewis> yeah, I don't have a lot of experience with it, either, and I didn't feel like a brute sys-unconfig.
[12:26:50] * boyd hugs GNU screen
[12:27:00] <delewis> boyd, GNU screen isn't so GNU. :-)
[12:27:05] <delewis> it's had a turbulent history.
[12:27:15] <delewis> it's currently considered non-gnu, IIRC>
[12:27:24] <dlg> i heart screen
[12:27:27] <boyd> delewis: Really?
[12:27:31] * boyd hugs screen
[12:27:42] <delewis> boyd, yes, every few years it'll alternate between being in pub/gnu and pub/non-gnu
[12:27:47] <delewis> right now, it resides in non-gnu, IIRC.
[12:27:48] <PerterB> gnu or gnot gnu, it's lovely
[12:27:50] * boyd rolls eyes
[12:28:05] <boyd> If only it had a more google-friendly name
[12:28:20] <delewis> yes "screen" isn't the best search string in the world :-)
[12:28:41] <boyd> It could only be worse if it was called "porn" :)
[12:29:22] * delewis wonders what the deal is with the local Sendmail vulnerability
[12:29:26] <delewis> patches for Solaris 8 and 9
[12:29:29] <delewis> but not 10, yet :-(
[12:29:53] <boyd> I always wonder what's going on with the engineering for that kind of thing.
[12:30:16] <delewis> there's no workaround, either
[12:31:06] <delewis> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102724-1&searchclause=
[12:31:09] <delewis> that's not very lovely, either.
[12:31:49] <boyd> pkgrm SUNWsndm{u,r}
[12:32:27] <delewis> actually, I'm imagining things.
[12:32:32] <delewis> that's the local root vuln
[12:32:38] <delewis> I don't see a Sendmail one.
[12:32:49] * delewis apologizes to Sendmail
[12:33:16] <boyd> That ld.so one is ugly.
[12:33:21] <delewis> yes
[12:33:38] * boyd is unapologetic to sendmail. Generally. Not just this time.
[12:33:56] <delewis> I've had a decent track-record with Sendmail.
[12:34:47] <delewis> I think most of the antimosity for it comes from people's difficulty administering it and the state of Sendmail security pre-8.x
[12:35:05] <delewis> it's amazing how many vendors still have you editing .cf files.
[12:35:24] <boyd> Yeah, that process is just so wrong in 2007
[12:35:43] <boyd> Geez... the m4 thing was when, 10 years ago?
[12:35:50] <boyd> maybe 6
[12:35:59] <delewis> not sure
[12:36:43] <silk> that it requires m4 macros to configure it is not an indication of a problem?
[12:36:56] <boyd> I agree.. but still..
[12:37:04] <boyd> Well, my O'Reilly
[12:37:14] <boyd> Well, my O'Reilly bat book from 1997 covers the m4 thing
[12:37:32] <delewis> silk, it's amazingly versatile, though.
[12:37:37] <silk> sure
[12:37:47] <delewis> you have to pay some price for all of the functionality you get with it.
[12:37:54] <silk> and if I needed to solve the towers of hanoi with mail software, it would be my very first choice
[12:37:58] * delewis has the "bat book", as well
[12:38:31] * boyd looked around a few years ago with a kind of back-of-the-mind idea about how configuration should be and came across exim, which seemed the closest to his ideal then
[12:38:42] <delewis> silk, you can solve the Towers of Hanoi in OBP with a Fourth program :-)
[12:38:55] <boyd> Way I see it much of that versatility is as useful as BITNET right now.
[12:38:56] <kimc> good morning.. sendamil is from at least 15 years ago and sendmail.cf could be created from m4 then afaik\
[12:39:04] <silk> for configuration across multiple servers in a maiol platform... Openwave
[12:39:19] <silk> but then it is expensive commercial software
[12:39:24] <Doc> just make sure your config isnt too long...
[12:39:27] <boyd> kimc: You may well be right
[12:39:52] <silk> Doc, thats true, but then those operating the platform should understand how to aggregate netblocks
[12:40:05] <silk> its amazing how much shorter the config gets
[12:40:18] <silk> then there are the groupDefinition keys
[12:40:23] <silk> and its gets simpler again
[12:40:54] <kimc> i helped start an isp and ran the mail system for the first few years.. running sendmail for what would be >5000 users
[12:41:21] <Doc> yes. probably most of us did...
[12:41:33] <silk> some of us still do :)
[12:41:43] <silk> well, except for the 5000 part
[12:41:44] <Doc> last i looked you didnt help start it :)
[12:41:49] <silk> no, thats true
[12:41:53] <boyd> Well, I'm off to bed and to read some Larry Niven
[12:41:54] <Doc> you have less than 5000 users?
[12:42:01] <silk> and im quite happy about that
[12:42:20] <boyd> Night all.
[12:42:24] <silk> no doc, yes >5000 is true, but hten so is >500000
[12:42:33] <kimc> night boyd
[12:43:26] * boyd puts away his bat book before he's temptes to start reading it again
[12:43:41] <delewis> I've been re-reading mine lately
[12:43:43] <kimc> been running postfix the last few years and its a fine thing
[12:43:46] <Doc> probably only about 5000 if you exclude all of those that havent been used in 10 years
[12:44:35] <silk> or perhaps not
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[12:44:57] <silk> id tell you teh sign up rate - but then I dont think any NDA we have with you would cover it
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[12:52:05] <kimc> Openwave runs on mobile devices hemm..
[12:53:58] <Doc> cool.. silk: i didnt know they got you to model for the openwave homepage!
[13:04:09] <silk> kimc, openwave do many things, including writing browsers for most mobiles
[13:04:22] <silk> openwave was formed with a merger between software.com and phone.com
[13:04:38] <silk> then they bought a bunch of pther ppl
[13:04:57] <silk> Doc, whichy one exactly did you think was me?
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[13:06:20] <Doc> ahh.. so they do.  the last one (the one it stops on)
[13:06:29] <Doc> although you've done your hair differently
[13:07:28] <silk> seems so... last I looked I had less
[13:08:11] <Vanuatoo> Is there a way to find out to which service does some process belong to
[13:08:30] <Doc> svcs -p
[13:08:38] <silk> you can do the reverse
[13:08:55] <silk> such as outlined by doc above
[13:09:11] <Doc> <Doc> svcs -p | awk ' /^o/ {S=$3} $2=="27329" { print S } '
[13:09:36] <Doc> replace 27329 with the PID of interest (that was from the last time someone asked the same question)
[13:09:55] <Vanuatoo> Doc: cool :)
[13:10:00] <silk> whats wrong with print $3 btw ?
[13:10:16] <Doc> online         15:25:02 svc:/network/nis/client:default
[13:10:17] <Doc>                15:25:01      638 ypbind
[13:10:40] <Doc> answer your question?
[13:11:03] <silk> no
[13:11:22] <silk> actually yes
[13:11:29] <Doc> the /^o/  matches the first line, the PID match is on the 2nd (or subsequent) line
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[13:56:22] <jteo> re.
[14:05:17] <Vanuatoo> I've got sx build 52. In my JDS I try to add SSH service type
[14:05:30] <Vanuatoo> but when I try access it it does nothing
[14:05:35] <Vanuatoo> Is it supported?
[14:11:50] <cmihai> svcs -d network/ssh
[14:11:52] <cmihai> what does that report?
[14:12:03] <cmihai> svcadm enable network/ssh
[14:12:53] <Berny_> hmm, what does module krtld do? and why does the kernel of a fresh snv54 install complain that it doesn't find that module?
[14:13:57] <Berny_> and to which package does that file belong?
[14:15:15] <lasseoe> SUNWcsr (and SUNWcarx (sparcv9))
[14:15:49] <Berny_> SUNWckr?
[14:16:30] <richlowe> krltd is the kernel linker.
[14:16:38] <richlowe> 'krtld'
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[14:16:43] <richlowe> ... kinda important.
[14:16:49] <Berny_> guess so
[14:16:58] <Berny_> the box just panics :-)
[14:17:14] <richlowe> I'm somewhat surprised it can properly panic. :)
[14:17:27] <Berny_> well not properly
[14:17:45] <Berny_> it just says elf64 loader error misc/amd64/krtld not found
[14:17:51] <Berny_> and then a big smile
[14:21:51] <Berny_> ok, it's in the bloody archive on the dvd, why is not on harddisk...
[14:22:45] <lasseoe> maybe it didn't feel like it
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[14:30:38] <Berny_> ok, how do i get them bloody files to the disk?
[14:31:15] <lasseoe> boot from CD/DVD and mount the hd ?
[14:32:10] <Berny_> fail safe, ifconfig.. ?
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[14:42:16] <Berny_> .oO(ok lets try the dvd)
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[14:51:08] <Berny_> bugger
[14:51:58] <Stric> have you checked that you got the correct md5sum of the dvd? I failed that like 2 weeks ago and got about 2/3 of the packages due to corrupted dependencies etc..
[14:52:13] <Berny_> yeah i have twice :-)
[14:53:00] <Berny_> i got the file off the dvd ok, but now that box just reboots
[14:53:10] <Berny_> well i think i'll start from scratch
[14:53:59] <Berny_> although the plan for today was to mirror that install and get branded zones running :-\
[14:59:22] <bougie> hello :)
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[15:09:33] <Berny_> .oO(here we go again...)
[15:11:43] <jteo> ?
[15:15:42] <Vanuatoo> cmihai: I can access that machine with ssh via terminal
[15:15:50] <Vanuatoo> Nautilus fails to connect
[15:15:58] <Vanuatoo> Actually it says nothing
[15:16:05] <Vanuatoo> I guess that feature is not implemented for solaris
[15:16:13] <richlowe> Which version of JDS?
[15:16:22] <Vanuatoo> I guess 4
[15:17:01] <Vanuatoo> It's based on gnome 2.14.x
[15:17:13] <richlowe> the "Connect to server" bit via ssh is working for me in snv_54
[15:17:29] <richlowe> (JDS being 2.16 based in snv_54)
[15:18:12] <Vanuatoo> Unfortunately I have to wait Solaris express 01/07
[15:18:14] <jteo> :)
[15:18:17] <Vanuatoo> to get that functionaliry
[15:19:51] <Vanuatoo> richlowe: Is firefox a little bit faster and lighter? :(
[15:20:20] <Triskelios> Vanuatoo: than what?
[15:20:45] <Vanuatoo> Triskelios: I dont get you
[15:21:06] <Stric> nautilus is a file manager, firefox is a web browser
[15:21:19] <Vanuatoo> That was another question
[15:21:31] <Vanuatoo> I guess it;s allowed here
[15:21:32] <Triskelios> Vanuatoo: do you mean relative to the previous release?
[15:21:33] <Vanuatoo> :)
[15:21:43] <Vanuatoo> Triskelios: Exactly
[15:21:54] <Triskelios> firefox 2.0 is by no means faster or lighter
[15:22:33] <Vanuatoo> Triskelios: Actually firefox on solaris is very slow and memory hungry compared to linux or windows
[15:23:12] <Vanuatoo> It's very cpu intensive
[15:23:15] <Triskelios> seems about the same as on linux in my experience
[15:23:47] <Vanuatoo> In linux it does not suck, although it's slower than on windows
[15:24:39] <jteo> from my non-scientific observations, it's about the same on both solaris and windows xp for me.
[15:24:59] <Vanuatoo> jteo: are you kidding? :)
[15:25:16] <richlowe> jteo: how non-scientific is non-scientific?
[15:25:28] <richlowe> (same machine, et. al?)
[15:25:34] <Vanuatoo> just load www.newegg.com
[15:25:39] <Vanuatoo> and do mouse moves
[15:25:50] <Vanuatoo> cpu usage goes to 30-40% and does not go down
[15:26:06] <Vanuatoo> Gnome cpu monitor applet reporting that
[15:26:11] <jteo> richlowe: laptop vs amd64. ;)
[15:26:20] <Vanuatoo> Pages appear after some delay
[15:26:34] <Vanuatoo> even when you press back and it's loaded from the cache
[15:26:56] <Vanuatoo> I think there is some fundamental bug in gtk or xul
[15:27:15] <jteo> Vanuatoo: seems fine for me here. 7.9% CPU usage.
[15:27:19] <Vanuatoo> because in my home ubuntu installation firefox works like a charm
[15:27:40] <Vanuatoo> jteo: If you do that on linux or windows it won't use a percent
[15:28:15] <Berny_> .oO(wouldn't that depend on the processor?)
[15:28:24] <Vanuatoo> AMD 64 3500+ here
[15:28:29] <Vanuatoo> 2.2 Ghz
[15:28:35] <jteo> Vanuatoo: likewise.
[15:28:44] <Auralis> its the flash stuff on the page
[15:29:08] <Vanuatoo> Auralis: no
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[15:29:27] <Vanuatoo> If there is a flash stuff it gets even worse
[15:29:41] <Stric> what is eating cpu, firefox or X?
[15:29:49] <Vanuatoo> Stric: Both
[15:29:54] <Vanuatoo> But the source is Firefox
[15:30:04] <Stric> Xorg or Xsun?
[15:30:09] <Vanuatoo> Xorg
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[15:31:17] <Vanuatoo> I had gentoo installation on this machine and the system was a breeze
[15:31:23] <Vanuatoo> The only complaint was memory usage
[15:31:40] <Vanuatoo> in Solaris there is a cpu problem additionally
[15:33:04] <Stric> comparing about:buildconfig  in ff could be useful
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[15:33:48] <Auralis> on sol9 sparc newegg.com doesn't freaks out my ff, both ff and xsun are below 1% when idle
[15:34:18] <Vanuatoo> Auralis: on idle yes
[15:34:43] <richlowe> as Roland (I think it was) has pointed out, firefox's CPU consumption when idle is pretty noticably hit by flash misbehaving (or firefox misbehaving, depending on your opinion of flash continuing to do stuff when all applets are no longer loaded).
[15:34:46] <Vanuatoo> Stric: http://rafb.net/p/BAae5q18.html
[15:35:44] <Vanuatoo> why freetype2 is disabled?
[15:35:57] <Vanuatoo> and also IIRC O3 is a bad switch
[15:35:57] <Stric> because xft is enabled instead
[15:36:11] <Vanuatoo> O2 was prefered for amd64
[15:36:21] <Stric> the freetype2 rendering was a hack
[15:36:44] * Auralis uses a gtk1 ff fwiw
[15:38:10] <Vanuatoo> The problem might be in Xorg
[15:38:56] <Vanuatoo> I wish there was good WindowMaker support for solaris
[15:39:01] <Stric> using same gfx driver? (nv vs nvidia for instance)
[15:39:14] <Vanuatoo> Stric: I use binary nvidia driver
[15:39:24] <Vanuatoo> latest
[15:39:25] <GoodKarma> hi Stric
[15:39:52] <PerterB> there used to be excellent Windowmaker support for Solaris, what happened?
[15:40:19] <Stric> Vanuatoo: is DRI enabled on solaris too? otherwise for instance ff will go slow as molasses
[15:40:29] <Vanuatoo> Stric: It's enabled
[15:40:37] <Vanuatoo> nvidia-settings reports that
[15:40:41] <quasi> they probably figured noone would want Windowmaker when they could have cde ;)
[15:41:18] <PerterB> *laugh* - I used to contribute back compile fixes back when I had an Ultra 2 desktop and *didn't* want to use CDE :)
[15:41:30] <jteo> Vanuatoo: is the RENDER accelaration enabled?
[15:41:40] <jteo> PerterB: you're old. :)
[15:41:48] <Vanuatoo> jteo: How do I check that?
[15:41:49] <PerterB> but sexy :P
[15:42:13] <Stric> xpydinfo|grep RENDER
[15:42:16] <jteo> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep -i render
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[15:42:34] <Stric> jteo: useless use of cat :)
[15:42:37] <Vanuatoo> It prints nothing
[15:42:46] <jteo> Stric: bah. :)
[15:43:08] <Vanuatoo> jteo, Stric: Just tell me how to enable it :)
[15:43:33] <Triskelios> Vanuatoo: it's in the readme for your driver...
[15:44:04] <Stric> Vanuatoo: grep -i render /var/log/Xorg.0.log  see if it complains about anything..
[15:44:10] <Stric> (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
[15:44:13] <jteo> reboot. brb.
[15:44:26] <Stric> is correct even without /render/ in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:45:10] <Vanuatoo> Stric: http://rafb.net/p/z7Ytkc85.html
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[15:46:02] <Vanuatoo> Stric: Is it OK?
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[15:46:11] <Vanuatoo> Do I have it enabled?
[15:47:39] <Stric> the driver enables it, I wonder why xdpyinfo doesn't think it's on..
[15:48:24] <Stric> (if "It prints nothing" was for my xpyinfo and not jteo's cat|grep)
[15:48:50] <Stric> because antialiased font rendering without the RENDER extension will slow down stuff bigtime
[15:49:01] <Vanuatoo> It was for jteos post
[15:49:06] <Vanuatoo> What should I type
[15:49:07] <Vanuatoo> ?
[15:49:13] <Stric> 15:42 (Stric) xpydinfo|grep RENDER
[15:49:49] <Vanuatoo>  xdpyinfo|grep RENDER
[15:49:49] <Vanuatoo>     RENDER
[15:50:08] <Stric> so it is on..
[15:50:31] <Vanuatoo> I wish it would not :(
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[15:51:16] <Stric> sorry, but I have to take off now.. good luck :)
[15:51:25] <Vanuatoo> Stric: thank you
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[15:56:32] <jlc> anyone know the command to capture key strokes so you can write a script later
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[16:02:14] <Auralis> script
[16:02:55] <jlc> yeah, just figured it out, thanks ;)
[16:02:55] <cmihai> What would be the equivalent of /sbin/nologin on Solaris?
[16:03:23] <cmihai> Or should I just use /bin/false for shell in passwd?
[16:03:31] <hali> false is good
[16:04:44] <hile_> why not make the account in question a role?
[16:05:29] <AbeFroman> passwd -N
[16:06:29] <TFKyle> hmm, any opengrok guys here?
[16:07:45] <cmihai> hile_: I guess that may work, but I'd have to create one, etc.
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[16:10:02] <hile_> just edit the file in /etc and say type=roll :)
[16:10:11] <hile_> user_attr I believe the file is.
[16:11:55] <hali> edit user_attr? :)
[16:11:57] <hali> nooo
[16:11:59] <hali> usermod!
[16:12:18] <hile_> last time i looked, you can't change type=role using usermod :p
[16:12:31] <hali> usermod -K type=role username
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[16:21:37] <PerterB> surely if you make it a role then only authorised users can su to the account (which is often exactly what you want, but may not be what cmihai wants)
[16:22:02] <PerterB> s/account/role/
[16:22:55] <Berny> how did i feed the output of prtvtoc to format again to get the same slicing?
[16:23:11] <PerterB> feed it to fmthard
[16:24:02] <cmihai> PerterB: using it for auth for some other software.
[16:24:15] <cmihai> And yes, I want them to be able to auth, but not login with anything else.
[16:24:34] <cmihai>  /bin/false seems to work fine though.
[16:25:37] <Berny> cheers peter
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[16:34:46] <Posixzombie> IS there on the web  SUNWman package ? cannot find it ny google; ni such package in blastwae
[16:35:02] <Posixzombie> s/blastwae/blastwave
[16:35:35] <jamesd_> blastwave packages allways start with csw
[16:35:56] <PerterB> SUNWman should be on the media you installed Solaris from
[16:38:54] <hali> hm, should i be able to run logadm as a user with the "Log Management" profile?
[16:39:04] <hali> im getting permission denied on some kill malachi
[16:41:05] <hali> ok, just took a few seconds to get the profile
[16:41:09] <hali> my bad
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[17:08:56] <jteo> re.
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[19:46:35] <gdamore> hi *
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[21:36:16] <Error_404> finally, home...
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[21:44:52] <Error_404> hmm... this sata channel is faster than i thought
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[21:54:32] <mega> hi
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[22:11:22] <pikapika> hello
[22:11:33] <jamesd_> hi
[22:12:28] <jsubl2> did i hear correctly that nexenta project is dead
[22:12:53] <trygvis> no
[22:13:01] <jsubl2> ok thanks
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[22:19:59] <onbot> commit by jg97986:  6504176 onnv tool "protocmp" doesn't know about postgres uid/gid
[22:25:52] <boyd> root
[22:26:01] <boyd> D'oh! Morning, all
[22:29:55] <Gman> hrm, mail archives still borked
[22:30:20] <jamesd_> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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[22:32:35] <mrdeviant> what sort of sw do you write, jamesd_
[22:32:53] * trygvis guesses: random software
[22:33:01] <TFKyle> jamesd_: heh
[22:33:58] <jamesd_> mrdeviant, ones with lots of new random features.
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[22:40:10] <sickness> I go to bed, nite all
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[22:46:50] <Gman> hey stevel
[22:47:25] <stevel> hey
[22:47:31] <stevel> just about to email you kupfer's hackergotchi
[22:47:48] <stevel> fortunately i had the .xcf still lying around
[22:48:19] <stevel> sent
[22:48:19] <Gman> sweet
[22:48:20] <Gman> ta
[22:48:25] <Gman> figured you might
[22:48:35] <stevel> how was your christmas?
[22:48:41] <Gman> pretty chilled out
[22:49:02] <Gman> diagnosed with glandular fever, so was a good excuse to do nothing ;)
[22:49:13] <stevel> ouch.
[22:49:38] <stevel> bummer. how long till it's gone?
[22:49:55] <Gman> no idea
[22:50:08] <Gman> don't really notice it at the moment, though was pretty wrecked before christmas
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[22:52:34] <boyd> Some people say it never really goes
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[22:57:03] <Gman> boyd, bah!!
[22:57:56] <myrkraverk> is there anyone here familiar with the bge driver?
[22:58:24] <boyd> Gman: Humbug?
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[23:00:37] <gdamore> hi *
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[23:01:57] <gdamore> finally taking some time to work on my multiport serial driver and associated "generic serial framework"
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[23:02:51] <myrkraverk> erm, is there a make macro that means "all dependencies" ?
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[23:03:15] <myrkraverk> to use in the link stage (I'm not grokking the man page)
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[23:09:06] <myrkraverk> hmm, how would I check module dependencies?
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[23:34:56] <gdamore> myrkraverk: usually i just list the libraries themselves on the dependency line
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[23:35:58] <myrkraverk> gdamore: erm - I'm talking about kernel module dependencies (sorry about the confusion)
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[23:36:27] <gdamore> again, list the modules on the dependency line.  kernel modules are just another form of shared library, as far as make is concerned
[23:36:38] <myrkraverk> ah, k
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