[00:02:33] <bklang> you mean the comman has no point?
[00:02:42] <bklang> in this case I need the comman in the environment variable value
[00:02:53] <bklang> the env var contains an LDAP DN which is comma-delimited
[00:03:22] <bklang> where I wrote 'comman' above I meant 'comma'
[00:03:53] <_tsoome_> ah, I meant dot as for current dir
[00:04:57] <bklang> I did find one work-around using setprop, but that doesn't allow you to change just one var (it resets the whole environment string)
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[00:53:29] <stevel> bklang: have you tried exporting the smf, making your changes and reimporting it?
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[00:59:46] <BadKarma> ummm...Cass again
[01:00:01] <BadKarma> he must be on the same sr as I am
[01:00:51] <boyd> Morning, all
[01:01:16] <boyd> I hope the break was good to those of you who had one.
[01:01:29] <BadKarma> hi boyd, not really
[01:01:43] <BadKarma> I feel like I was reduced to live in the freakin Stone Age :)
[01:02:26] <boyd> How'
[01:02:27] <BadKarma> everything is closed
[01:02:29] <boyd> How's that?
[01:02:45] <boyd> Ah
[01:02:48] <BadKarma> no clue, it's a boxing day
[01:03:16] <boyd> Many things were open here on boxing day. Sales and all that
[01:03:48] <jamesd> well you got to keep the paperboy, and  mail carriers and  trashmen happy....
[01:04:27] <bklang> stevel: I managed to get around it with setprop, but it's annoying because that clears all existing environment vars
[01:04:28] <BadKarma> agreed but
[01:04:46] <BadKarma> but I just feel bad about it :)
[01:07:26] <BadKarma> I've asked a taxi driver if there is any open shop he went with 'not that I know of'
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[01:35:18] <lloy0076> I hate it when you get so stuck in one's assumptions (about a programming problem) that you don't see the most obvious solution/explanation.
[01:35:19] <lloy0076> :)
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[01:42:19] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all, Hi boyd if your around
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[02:17:45] <boyd> edwardocallaghan: I'm around
[02:17:56] <boyd> (sort of)
[02:21:31] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[02:23:03] <_syphilis_> i wish the studio express fortran compiler wasn't 190MB
[02:23:06] <_syphilis_> eats all my disk space
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[02:29:35] <boyd> Geez, just the compiler?
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[02:31:47] <_syphilis_> just the compiler binary, the libraries are more :)
[02:32:06] <boyd> wow... Still 190 MB isn't that much these days
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[03:20:19] <edwardocallaghan> Good night boyd
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[04:16:46] <sahafeez> ok, opensolaris fileserver, windows box, os x box, openbsd box. i am looking for input on a good simple system for user auth for mouthing shares via nfs and cifs
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[04:55:28] <myrkraverk> is it possible to mount iso images r/w to edit them?
[04:55:53] <jamesd> nope, you have to recreate them
[04:56:28] <myrkraverk> hmm
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[05:48:40] <myrkraverk> erm, what is the device name of the MBR?
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[06:09:56] <sahafeez> hum. gerald ford died
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[06:11:12] <Doc> the guy off the simpsons?
[06:13:16] <sahafeez> no, the us president
[06:19:35] <boyd> There's a gerald ford in the simpsons?
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[06:19:49] <sahafeez> no one around today. what did someone put lifes for sale on amazon?
[06:20:21] <boyd> It's close to holidays in many parts of the world
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[06:24:08] <jcsmith> i apologize if this is an ignorant question but is there a list of compatible hardware for opensolaris out there
[06:24:17] <jcsmith> i'm specifically interested in sata controllers
[06:25:26] <sahafeez>  check the hcl for solaris x86 @ sun.com
[06:26:02] <sahafeez> which is the 1st link for solaris x86 hcl on google ;)
[06:26:06] <boyd> For SATA controllers marvell- and silicon image-based ones are frequently mentioned
[06:29:17] <jcsmith> i was looking at the hcl, but only see 2 sata controllers listed and i was hoping it was maybe just out of date or something
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[06:35:28] <sahafeez> naw, it is a chipset thing. find the same chipset as listed on those or the motherboard list that has working sata you should be good.
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[07:39:31] * delewis considers writing a document on Linux storage vs. Solaris/ZFS
[07:39:51] <delewis> I got to play around with the Linux LVM this weekend.
[07:39:57] <Doc> yes.. do that.. then put it on slashdot
[07:40:10] <Doc> then watch the morons have their fun
[07:40:11] <delewis> Doc, I'm sure it'll be appreciated there.
[07:41:15] <delewis> I was talking to someone yesterday about ZFS doing dynamic striping
[07:41:20] <delewis> "No, that's impossible!"
[07:41:25] <Gr|ffous> hehe
[07:41:28] <delewis> it is, if you stay true to 20-year-old filesystem concepts
[07:41:37] <delewis> with COW, it's very possible.
[07:42:06] <Doc> filesystems dont stripe
[07:42:10] <Doc> well, until now
[07:42:13] <delewis> well, that's true
[07:42:30] <Doc> (actually, i think advfs and one or two others did)
[07:43:07] <Doc> when you look at what advfs had 15 years ago, zfs isn't that impresive - we've only come that far in 15 years
[07:43:08] <delewis> knowing DEC, I doubt advfs was free :-)
[07:43:13] <Doc> problem is that there was nothing in the middle
[07:44:31] <delewis> I'll attribute the lack of filesystem development to Linux
[07:45:00] <delewis> who needs such a filesystem on a peecee with a single disk, sort of thing.
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[08:01:12] <boyd> advfs was the default fs in tru64 by the end. Multiple disk pools were a seperate license.
[08:01:49] <elektronkind> hmm
[08:01:55] <boyd> It didn't do mirroring or any other kind of redundancy
[08:02:20] <elektronkind> two solaris header files: <string.h> and <sys/systm.h> defining the same function
[08:02:37] <elektronkind> but with different typedefs for the arguments
[08:02:44] <elektronkind> is that intended?
[08:03:21] <boyd> the sys one would be for the kernel. Dunno about intentions
[08:03:22] <elektronkind> eg: ffs()
[08:03:42] <elektronkind> well, this particular C file is being compiled with -D_KERNEL
[08:04:13] <elektronkind> so I guess systm.h wins
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[08:20:14] <Error_404> hullo
[08:23:23] <onbot> commit by arindam sarkar:  6442921 /etc/lib/lu/lubootdev -b cannot determine boot-device for SVM encapsulated fibre boot disks (fix lint)
[08:28:15] <Gr|ffous> hi Error
[08:29:24] <Error_404> hey Gr|ffous
[08:38:54] <Gr|ffous> right then. I'm off on a mission to try and make some solaris packages.
[08:39:22] <Gr|ffous> how hard could it be.... *cough*
[08:40:49] <Error_404> I've never had a reason to do it before
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[08:42:17] <prav33n> Hello
[08:42:19] <Gr|ffous> I figure it's about time I try to give back to the community, I want to help out dennis and his blastwave effort
[08:42:52] <prav33n> I am trying to setup a Linux server to provide Solaris netboot image for a diskless client
[08:43:13] <Gr|ffous> good luck, that sounds like a challenge
[08:43:26] <prav33n> Any pointers for doing this?
[08:43:39] <Gr|ffous> Never done it sorry
[08:44:11] <quasi> prav33n: as long as it is for an x86 client you should be ok
[08:45:03] <prav33n> quasi, It is an x86 client
[08:45:07] <Error_404> tftp, nfs, and rarpd are what you need
[08:45:30] <Error_404> IIRC gentoo put out a guide for netbooting gentoo on SPARC that may or may not be of assistance
[08:45:33] <prav33n> Error_404, Where should I take the kernel and root image from?
[08:45:50] <Error_404> But i've not tried to do such a silly thing in quite a while, I just use a solaris machine
[08:46:03] <Error_404> for that matter, a VMWare image of solaris should suffice
[08:46:28] <prav33n> Error_404, My problem is that I already have a Linux tftp server providing Linux diskless clients images
[08:46:48] <prav33n> Error_404, I need to use the same server to bring up the Solaris clients as well
[08:47:03] <prav33n> I can't run 2 dhcp servers on the same network
[08:47:10] <elektronkind> you'll also need a bootparams daemon
[08:47:23] <elektronkind> you don't need to...
[08:47:46] <quasi> prav33n: it should be possible to serve something different for a specific mac addr
[08:47:55] <prav33n> quasi, Yeah
[08:47:59] <elektronkind> I'm sure you can find a clever way to combine the pxegrub stuff for both linux and solaris
[08:48:12] <prav33n> elektronkind, That is what I am trying to do
[08:48:35] <prav33n> elektronkind, I can't afford to run one Linux server for Linux diskless and one Solaris server for Solaris diskless
[08:48:55] <prav33n> elektronkind, I have to choose either Linux or Solaris server to do both jobs
[08:49:25] <elektronkind> well... something to consider: run both
[08:49:44] <elektronkind> put solaris on the box, and run linux in a brandz zone
[08:49:45] <prav33n> I also have one more requirement that the entire Solaris system should mount root in RAM
[08:50:07] <prav33n> Something like a live CD environment
[08:50:15] <elektronkind> on your boot server?
[08:50:21] <prav33n> Nope
[08:50:23] <prav33n> On the client
[08:50:32] <prav33n> The boot server won't supply NFS root export
[08:50:33] <elektronkind> well duh, it's a diskless client after all
[08:50:44] <prav33n> Or usr export
[08:51:01] <elektronkind> I don't get your strategy there
[08:51:09] <elektronkind> why have a boot server at all
[08:51:12] <prav33n> All needed binaries would be packaged on the bootarchive
[08:51:14] <elektronkind> just boot off the cd
[08:51:48] <prav33n> elektronkind, We would run 20 to 30 nodes of Solaris diskless clients
[08:52:04] <prav33n> The software running on them would be generated every night
[08:52:05] <elektronkind> 30 cdrw's are cheap
[08:52:14] <prav33n> From the code
[08:52:33] <prav33n> It is a testing environment for the software
[08:52:56] <prav33n> Evertime the client netboots, it will get the latest version of the software from the bootarchive
[08:53:07] <elektronkind> "the software" being some user app?
[08:53:17] <LeftWing> Why not supply an NFS root export, though?
[08:53:18] <prav33n> Yeah
[08:53:43] <elektronkind> just boot the clients off of CD, and mount the NFS share with your app(s) from them...
[08:53:56] <prav33n> LeftWing, There will be too much of logging
[08:54:21] <prav33n> LeftWing, I am afraid that it would choke the network
[08:54:26] <prav33n> NFS is notorious for this
[08:54:43] <elektronkind> have you tried it?
[08:54:49] <elektronkind> or are just going on assumption
[08:54:55] <prav33n> elektronkind, I didn't try it
[08:55:06] <prav33n> elektronkind, Also each client will have different set of programs
[08:55:19] <prav33n> elektronkind, The root will not look the same for all clients
[08:55:26] <sahafeez> yah. i really do not think you are going to fill your network with that setup
[08:56:02] <prav33n> elektronkind, Each client has a set of specific binaries in /usr
[08:56:11] <prav33n> sahafeez, Maybe true
[08:56:22] <elektronkind> I feel like I've had this conversation before
[08:56:39] <quasi> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1985/6mhm8o5me?a=view
[08:56:42] <sahafeez> i have booted 100 clients before diskless, solaris from a gige connected server (this was back in 2.6 days)
[08:56:57] <Error_404> prav33n, and pushing out a different /usr for each machine is out of the question?
[08:57:08] <Error_404> as in "mount /, then mount /usr" ?
[08:57:10] <sahafeez> ran a production env with that setup. mail servers
[08:57:17] <LeftWing> NFS is notorious for choking the network, is it? =P
[08:57:41] <Error_404> solaris is pretty good with caching things to ram when possible
[08:57:52] <Error_404> your entire free ram set is used for filesystem cache
[08:57:53] <prav33n> Error_404, That is why I want the root to be mounted from a RAM disk
[08:57:59] <sahafeez> if you understand the network design and the traffic flow there are no issues. people that say that do not understand the network.
[08:58:16] <prav33n> sahafeez, :-)
[08:58:18] <Error_404> prav33n, because... it'll end up there anyways?
[08:58:19] <quasi> and you can cachefs if you have a bit of local disk to lower nfs client traffic
[08:58:21] <sahafeez> i have found out that most sysadmin are not the best network admin and the other way to..
[08:58:45] <prav33n> sahafeez, I am a programmer :-)
[08:58:51] <LeftWing> sahafeez: And I'd have to say that of all of the protocols, NFS must be (second to, perhaps, AppleTalk) the one which engenders the most suspicion. =P
[08:58:59] <sahafeez> so you are a bad sysadmin and network admin ;)
[08:59:12] <prav33n> sahafeez, Yeah
[08:59:30] <prav33n> For me the RAM is not a problem
[08:59:41] <prav33n> All the clients are SunFire x4100
[08:59:49] <prav33n> They have 8G RAM
[09:00:19] <prav33n> The root image will be in the order of 400 to 500 MB
[09:00:34] <prav33n> And it will be different for each node
[09:00:37] <sahafeez> 1. switched network. 2. tons of ram on the nfs server. 3. gige on the server. trunked if you can. fast disk. 4. lots of ram on the client. put as much as you can in ram. 5. the most shared env you can as far as what is mounted.
[09:00:43] <prav33n> I have around 12 types of nodes
[09:00:45] <sahafeez> bah. no issues
[09:00:56] <sahafeez> it will be a faster boot then from disk
[09:01:17] <sahafeez> a good switch. no dlink, etc. al.
[09:01:32] <LeftWing> haha, D-Link.
[09:01:33] <sahafeez> no low end cisco
[09:02:02] <prav33n> I have Cisco Catalyst 2970
[09:02:03] <sahafeez> get a used foundry 24 port with 2 gige from ebay and trunk 2 gige to the boot server.
[09:02:12] * Error_404 still fails to see the problem in doing it the proper way
[09:02:46] <sahafeez> there is no reason you should not beable to boot all 30 at the same time and have them boot faster then from disk
[09:03:18] <prav33n> I also have a Cisco Catalyst 4xxx (I don't remember it)
[09:03:29] <prav33n> It has 48 GiGE and 2 10Gig
[09:04:13] <sahafeez> the key is understand the bottle necks. the knee jerk reaction is oh, lets do gige on the clients and server. yah. that will blow up. 30 gige clients vs 1 gige server. i once fixed some guys high $$$$ network by ripping out all of his gige switches cept for the server farm. it was funny as hell
[09:04:49] <prav33n> :-)
[09:05:15] <sahafeez>  2xgige trunked to the server. lots of ram. fast disk. you will be able to boot all 30 clients no issues. keep them on the same network.
[09:06:05] <prav33n> The server is connected to 10Gig optical interface
[09:06:12] <sahafeez> yah. no issues there.
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[09:06:37] <prav33n> OK.
[09:06:46] <prav33n> Thanks for all the inputs
[09:07:05] <prav33n> I am going to try with the Solaris image for VMWare first to understand the boot process
[09:07:42] <sahafeez> no prob. let me know how it goes. there is no reason it should not work. i did in 1999 on 1999 hardware with no issue. what you have is overkill. (and this was production 250k user network)
[09:08:10] <prav33n> sahafeez, Sure think
[09:08:21] <prav33n> s/think/thing
[09:08:28] <prav33n> sahafeez, Thanks for your inputs
[09:08:36] <sahafeez> you are welcome.
[09:08:51] <prav33n> sahafeez, I am going to try it first on my VMWare server
[09:09:10] <prav33n> sahafeez, I have a miniature setup of my network on VMWare server with some 10 clients
[09:09:29] <sahafeez> should be interesting. cisco has good tools for looking at the network. make sure to use them. heck setup mrtg if you have to on a per-port setup
[09:09:42] <prav33n> sahafeez, OK
[09:09:58] <prav33n> Any pointers for the VMWare image
[09:09:59] <sahafeez> btw, cisco does suck but if it was you got ;)
[09:10:18] <prav33n> I meant the Solaris image for VMWare
[09:10:19] <sahafeez> no. not may bag man....i am a hack of a sysadmin. network guy
[09:10:30] <sahafeez> s/may/my
[09:10:59] <sahafeez> i just bug everyone here about stuff like that. dead now. holidays and such. normal you would have had 20 answers
[09:11:14] <prav33n> Error_404, Any pointers for the VMWare Solaris image?
[09:11:38] <Error_404> nope, should just work
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[09:11:45] <Error_404> it did for me anyways
[09:11:49] <prav33n> Error_404, Where can I get it?
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[09:11:57] <Error_404> ? get it?
[09:12:16] <prav33n> Error_404, Where can I download that image from?
[09:12:17] <Error_404> it's vmware... just install it like any other OS
[09:12:20] <prav33n> Error_404, I have searched on Google
[09:12:29] <prav33n> Error_404, No straight hits
[09:12:38] <sahafeez> you are looking for a player file of solairs?
[09:12:43] <Error_404> put the CD in, and follow the instructions
[09:12:43] <sahafeez> do not think there is one
[09:12:57] <prav33n> Oh, OK
[09:27:41] <Posixzombie> I know (and ran it successfully several times) that in order to start network boot install of Niagra you  ran , from the OBP (ok prompt) "net boot - install" ; what is
[09:27:56] <Posixzombie> the equivalen for i386 ? is there something from the BIOS ?
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[09:37:37] <Doc> PXE boot
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[09:40:08] <Posixzombie> Doc: is it something which is started somehow from the bios ?
[09:40:15] <Doc> yes
[09:40:21] <Doc> google is your friend
[09:41:04] <Posixzombie> Doc, I am afraid that my motherboard does not support it (even it is new, x86_64)
[09:41:15] <Posixzombie> because in the boot device order I don't see it
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[09:53:35] <lasseoe> it's not part of the boot device order afaik
[09:56:52] <boyd> Posixzombie: It's quite common these days.. Is you onboard net enabled?
[09:56:59] <boyd> s/you/your
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[09:57:59] <Error_404> hmm... someone should build the worlds smallest opensolaris distro
[09:58:14] <Error_404> mostly because I need a small rescue disk for this machine
[09:58:41] <LeftWing> Doug Scott was doing some work as to squeezing OS into a small footprint...
[09:59:25] <Posixzombie> boyd, I checked again; it is not part of the BIOS but it is part of INTEL agent
[09:59:48] * boyd raises his eyebrows
[09:59:55] <Posixzombie> boyd, the question now is : the install server I prepared according to docs is on the
[10:00:14] <Doc> Doug Scott?
[10:00:31] <Posixzombie> same subnet; when I did something like this for sparc, it used rarp and tftp; the question now is
[10:00:48] <boyd> PXE (which is used on x86) requires DHCP
[10:00:50] <Posixzombie> : must I use here for i386 a DHCP  ?
[10:00:56] <LeftWing> Doc: The same.
[10:00:59] <boyd> Yes ^^
[10:01:18] <Error_404> a port of uclib & blackbox to sunos would make for a pretty small system
[10:01:40] <Posixzombie> boyd, so instead of ./add_install_client -e MACADDRESS hostname i86pc
[10:01:47] <Posixzombie> I should remove this client and
[10:01:50] <Doc> how strange
[10:01:52] <Posixzombie> ./add_install_client -d ....
[10:01:54] <Posixzombie> ?
[10:02:10] <Posixzombie> and also configure a DHCP server ?
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[10:02:20] <LeftWing> Doc: Why strange?
[10:02:31] <boyd> Posixzombie: Lemme look a bit... I have a link somewhere... I'm on a serial terminal so it may take a little while.
[10:03:04] <Posixzombie> boyd, thnks !
[10:03:33] <GoodKarma> mhh
[10:06:12] <lasseoe> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/solaris_dhcp_and_px
[10:06:40] * boyd notes to self... don't ls directories with 7000 files on a 9600bps line
[10:06:45] <lasseoe> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/jet/
[10:06:46] <lasseoe> or that
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[10:09:04] * boyd still looks... it's a third party summary
[10:12:40] <boyd> Bah, can't find it... and dinner's ready... soorry.. I'll try later
[10:12:51] <GoodKarma> moin
[10:12:54] <lasseoe> if you google for pxe and solaris, you're bound to find what's out there :)
[10:16:34] <Posixzombie> thnks all
[10:19:34] <quasi> http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/09/20/T23_43_37/index.html - x86 jet/jumpstart
[10:19:39] <quasi> howto
[10:21:08] <quasi> http://jet.maui.co.uk/ also has a pile of info
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[10:22:47] <Doc> hmm.. i wonder who's page that is
[10:25:15] <Doc> ahh.. it's Mikes
[10:26:01] <Doc> ok, maybe not.. it's Marty!
[10:33:02] * quasi wonders why this gnome/jds doesn't want to do dns lookups when it works just fine on the cmdline
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[10:36:07] <Fish> hello
[10:41:23] <Gr|ffous> Can anyone help me with compiling amarok? I know the barest of essentials when it comes to linking libraries, and I'm well out of my depth here. This is the config.log http://rafb.net/p/ImgRIw24.html
[10:43:52] <quasi>  (library qt-mt) not found.
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[10:45:24] <Gr|ffous> I've installed the package CSWqt, which provides the qt-mt headers. On line 12 it appears to be finding that libqt-mt.so library ok, and ldd shows that it's linking correctly. I have no idea what to do about Undefined Symbols though :/
[10:55:17] <kimc> good morning
[10:55:46] <lasseoe> quasi: changed resolver settings while the gnome app was running?
[10:56:01] <lasseoe> try restarting nscd, or possibly the app
[10:56:12] <trygvis> sudo svcadm restart svc:/system/name-service-cache:default
[10:56:31] <lasseoe> I just pkill -9 nscd :)
[10:57:44] <trygvis> you're such a bad boy!
[10:59:13] <quasi> but it doesn't help
[10:59:54] <quasi> I've even had the box shut down and started and the problem still stays
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[11:07:34] <Gr|ffous> I had a similar issue. I had entered my name servers into /etc/resolv.conf, so dig worked, but ping didn't. I'd forgotten to change the nsswitch.conf to hosts + dns :)
[11:08:04] <delewis> heh, for some reason I would've thought FreeBSD to have fibre-channel support.
[11:08:07] <delewis> it has *none*
[11:08:55] <Gr|ffous> doh!
[11:09:28] <delewis> c'mon, even Linux has fibre-channel support :-)
[11:09:29] <Gr|ffous> I havje a similar problem with solaris ieee1394 support though, so I better not doh! too much
[11:09:59] <delewis> for some reason, I don't see very large ZFS deployments with FreeBSD.
[11:10:10] <LeftWing> heh
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[11:31:55] <jteo> re.
[11:37:46] <boyd> Doc: ping
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[11:47:00] <Doc> hrm?
[11:47:22] <boyd> Doc: Just wondering, have you started to get several days of EPG from the ABC?
[11:48:27] <Doc> nfi, but my parents on the mid north coast have
[11:49:02] <boyd> Good too see that they seem to be serving the public and not trying to obsure their schedule like the commercials
[11:49:20] <Doc> nope.. looks like i havent
[11:49:29] <Doc> or maybe i just dont know how to make my PVR show it
[11:49:34] <boyd> Bummer... Mince goes out till about 4am friday ATM
[11:49:43] <boyd> err.. Mine... not Mince :)
[11:50:54] <Doc> i'll try again in the next ads
[11:52:41] <Doc> STB is getting today and tomorrow
[11:53:15] <boyd> Well, that's better than current and next... maybe they will cause some demand for the commercials to do it (yeah, right)
[11:54:37] * boyd breaths a sigh of relief as the 2 E250s next to him power off
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[12:09:29] <delewis> E250s -- those are systems you don't hear about much.
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[12:10:36] <quasi> delewis: you will hear much from them if you're in the same room ;)
[12:10:41] <trygvis> hehe
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[12:20:07] <cmihai> How do you list media type in Solaris?
[12:20:24] <cmihai> My bge0 doesn't seem to work in Gigabit mode
[12:20:42] <quasi> dladm show-dev
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[12:21:03] <cmihai> bge0            link: up        speed:   100Mb  duplex: full
[12:21:04] <cmihai> Yep.
[12:21:07] <cmihai> Odd as hell ;\
[12:21:36] <Doc> kstat
[12:21:54] <Doc> or is it bge that doesnt work with kstat?
[12:22:11] <cmihai> Just lists the module
[12:22:36] <quasi> bge works fine with kstat on s10u2 at least
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[12:22:58] <Gr|ffous> on mine, I have a driver reporting I'm linked at 1000Mb, which is a neat trick considering that it's a 100Mb nic
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[12:25:01] <quasi> cmihai: kstat bge - look for adv_cap_1000fdx and lp_cap_1000fdx
[12:26:15] <cmihai> sec.. changeing patches && stuff
[12:26:22] <cmihai> Think it's hardware
[12:26:57] <PerterB> A
[12:27:31] <PerterB> (oops)
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[12:36:48] <cmihai> BLoody hell
[12:36:55] <cmihai> Allied Telesyn crap switches (TM)
[12:37:04] <cmihai> It's fixed :)
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[12:37:41] <cmihai> Now for some link aggregation fun :)
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[12:44:08] <boro> hello
[12:45:00] <boro> i am experiencing problems with specification of if_name in filter clauses in ipqosconf configuration
[12:45:36] <boro> looks as if it ignored if_name and always took first interface in the system
[12:45:45] <boro> i got elxl0 and rtls0
[12:45:58] <boro> if i put if_name rtls0 in filters
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[12:46:52] * timeless frowns
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[12:47:15] * timeless tries to remember how to get an equivalent of lsof on solaris
[12:47:22] <timeless> mount: /export/home/zones/solaris/nexenta/install/root/home/timeless/xref: Device busy
[12:47:23] <delewis> anyone have an idea about this kernel panic? http://pastebin.com/845671
[12:47:49] <boro> fuser
[12:48:01] <boro> or pfiles for pid
[12:48:42] <timeless> so fuser /export/home/zones/solaris/nexenta/install/root/home/timeless/xref ?
[12:49:18] <delewis> hmm, forgot a stack backtrace
[12:49:27] <boro> not sure about the syntax, see manpage
[12:50:03] * timeless gaves up and rebooted the zone
[12:50:11] <timeless> s/gaves/gave/
[12:50:30] <timeless> delewis: there's a bit of a stack trace between 48 and 75
[12:50:55] <delewis> timeless, ah, right.
[12:50:57] <timeless> i'd search the bugtracker for cpu_async_error and sostream_direct/squeue_enter
[12:51:25] <timeless> it's certainly not a panic i've met before, and it's certainly not the easiest way to read a stack trace, but, it does work for trying to search
[12:51:32] * timeless goes back to cross referencing a lame os
[12:51:52] <delewis> timeless, yeah, I
[12:51:53] <delewis> er
[12:52:00] <delewis> I'm just trying to rule out a hardware failure.
[12:53:15] <timeless> except when i blue screen repeatedly in <10mins of use because of memory errors, i always assume my hardware is perfect :)
[12:53:30] <timeless> and yes, my laptop had non working fans when i got it, so it really did blue screen like that :)
[12:53:42] <timeless> poor fried memory chips :(
[12:54:57] <delewis> well, I did a few SunVTS after the crash, but I don't think there's any guarantee that every block of memory was tested.
[12:55:04] <delewis> tests*
[12:55:38] * delewis wonders what a Syndrome 0x3 is
[12:57:33] <GoodKarma> delewis: it's a cache parity error I suppose
[12:58:16] <delewis> would that indicate some problem with the cache on the CPU?
[12:58:52] <Doc> hmm. syndrome 0x3
[12:59:21] <Doc> means you've probably had an ecache error
[12:59:30] <delewis> ugh.
[13:00:05] <Doc> Syndrome 0x03 indicated that this may not be a memory error
[13:00:12] <Doc> or whatever it prints.. something like that
[13:00:19] <delewis> yeah.
[13:00:31] <delewis> I'd rather have bad memory modules than a bad proc, though :-)
[13:00:48] <Doc> what type of system?
[13:01:11] <delewis> Doc, nothing spectacular -- an Ultra 2 /w 2x300MHz procs.
[13:01:22] <Doc> if it's only occured once, then just ignore it
[13:01:27] <Doc> odds are it will never occur again on US-II procs
[13:01:36] <delewis> interesting
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[13:02:12] <delewis> what's the reasoning behind that?
[13:02:21] <GoodKarma> it usually happens when moving data from L2 cache to SDB/BDB
[13:02:34] <Doc> ecache on US-II is only parity protected
[13:03:06] <Doc> and the nature of very very high speed memory is that occasionally a bit will flip, which the US-II can only detect (and normally panic/reboot as a result), but not correct
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[13:03:25] <delewis> Doc, ah, fun.
[13:03:36] <Doc> keep in mind that most equivalent non-SPARC processors made around the same time didnt even have parity, so they would just silently corrupt the data and carry on
[13:03:43] <delewis> I take it UltraSPARC-III doesn't suffer from this problem?
[13:03:50] <GoodKarma> indeed, the CPU check the data for parity in parallel, but its still possible that only BDB/SDB saw the error, so CPU may have miss that...am I right?
[13:04:03] <Doc> US-III has ECC protected ecache
[13:04:21] <GoodKarma> I guess I am
[13:04:33] <delewis> is it all US-II or do the procs in the E-class systems have parity-only, too?
[13:04:34] <Doc> so it can still have the same error (for a multi-bit error) but in that case it's almost certainly faulty hardware
[13:05:19] <Doc> all US-II are parity only, with the exception of a small number of them which are generally only in E10k's that have mirrored ecache
[13:05:55] <delewis> hmm, the things you learn everyday.
[13:06:17] <delewis> thanks, Doc and GoodKarma
[13:09:30] <GoodKarma> no issues
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[13:30:46] <boro> test
[13:31:52] <trygvis> pong
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[13:45:09] <cmihai> fuser
[13:45:16] <cmihai> wrong term :)
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[14:03:46] <jteo> luser?
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[14:24:10] <cmihai> I'm having an odd issue here. Both bge0 and bge1 are on Gigabit ethernet ports (tested) but only one works in 1000Mbps.
[14:24:19] <cmihai> So far it doesn't look like it's a hardware issue, as both ports work...
[14:24:24] <cmihai> Any ideas?
[14:24:39] <Doc> and if you swap them over, does which one is gige stay or swap?
[14:25:41] <cmihai> Yep
[14:25:50] <cmihai> They swap.
[14:25:59] <Doc> so it's the switch port
[14:26:09] <cmihai> Tried 10 switches :)
[14:26:21] <Doc> are you sure the port is gige? some switches only have a few gige ports
[14:26:22] <cmihai> Well, I'll go down and try the port with a laptop again.
[14:26:28] <cmihai> Doc: yeah, they're GBIC's
[14:26:39] <Doc> umm..
[14:26:44] <LeftWing> ...
[14:26:52] <cmihai> Well, I'll go try the ports with a laptop. brb.
[14:26:59] <Doc> it's fiber?
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[14:29:13] <cmihai> Doc: neh, copper
[14:29:26] <cmihai> Doc: I just tried both ports that enter the Solaris machine
[14:29:32] <cmihai> They both show 1Gbps on the laptop.
[14:29:55] <cmihai> bge0            link: up        speed:  1000Mb  duplex: full
[14:30:07] <cmihai> Odd, just reinserted the patch cord, and it turned Gigabit.
[14:30:47] <cmihai> Could a loose patchcord have done that?!
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[14:32:14] <_syphilis_> copper gbics?
[14:32:33] <_syphilis_> isn't that rather a waste of money? :)
[14:33:21] <cmihai> _syphilis_: mmm, that's the idea, Gigabit converter ;)
[14:33:36] <cmihai> Switches have 2 options: copper or fiber for the 2 Gbit ports they have.
[14:33:39] <_syphilis_> but standard copper ports are much cheaper than gbic slots on any switch i've seen
[14:33:50] <_syphilis_> both per port and for port density
[14:34:39] <cmihai> Meh, it's Allied Telesyn, what do you expect. It's crap :)
[14:35:16] <_syphilis_> oh, this is a 100Mbit switch with a couple of gbit ports?  i suppose it makes sense there..
[14:36:18] <cmihai> Yep, 24 100Mbit, 2 Gigabit.
[14:36:27] <cmihai> And the switches stack 4 per stack
[14:37:54] <onbot> commit by zt129084:  6502979 PSARC/2006/651: brand-specific handlers for zoneadm(1M) commands
[14:48:53] <cmihai> "dladm create-aggr -d bge0 -d bge1 1" dladm: create operation failed: Device busy (invalid interface name)
[14:49:12] <cmihai> And I have bge0 and bge1.
[14:50:45] <quasi> cmihai: I doubt bge is supported
[14:51:12] <cmihai> http://paste.lisp.org/display/33476
[14:51:19] <cmihai> quasi: looks supported, it's what the Sun's have
[14:51:34] <cmihai> quasi: and all examples I've seen use bge also...\
[14:51:56] <cmihai> SXCR: 54 btw.
[14:56:16] <quasi> cmihai: ah, cool - I thought it was only intel and ce cards that were supported
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[15:13:03] <prav33n> I have a few problems in netbooting Solaris
[15:13:16] <prav33n> I have setup a dhcp server and tftp
[15:13:29] <prav33n> I have configured it to hand out pxegrub
[15:13:34] <prav33n> The client gets the pxegrub
[15:13:43] <prav33n> But the client is not getting the menu.lst file
[15:13:51] <prav33n> So, it drops me in the grub shell
[15:14:20] <prav33n> I have configured the dhcpd.conf file to hand out menu.lst
[15:14:23] <prav33n> Any clues?
[15:15:26] <quasi> prav33n: did you set all the solaris specific options in dhcp?
[15:15:41] <prav33n> quasi, Like?
[15:16:07] <prav33n> quasi, If I manually enter the kernel and module lines in the grub shell, I am able to boot into Solaris
[15:16:33] <lasseoe> prav33n: google for pxe and solaris, there are a number of tutorials on how to do it
[15:16:36] <prav33n> quasi, The /var/log/messages shows a warning that the client doesn't takes options
[15:16:51] <prav33n> lasseoe, I followed the most popular ones
[15:16:56] <lasseoe> right on
[15:17:04] <prav33n> lasseoe, I have done exactly what is said there
[15:17:26] <prav33n> I just have some problems in sending the menu.lst file to the client
[15:18:05] <prav33n> The server runs GNU/Linux
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[15:21:30] <quasi> prav33n: http://blogs.sun.com/vl/entry/boot_solaris_os_on_x86
[15:23:12] <lasseoe> quasi: interesting
[15:23:34] <prav33n> quasi, I have tried the client id based menu.lst
[15:23:39] <prav33n> quasi, It is working fine
[15:23:58] <cmihai> quasi:  type: non-vlan
[15:24:06] <cmihai> Does that mean it can't be aggregated?
[15:24:07] <prav33n> But when I give it through option 150, it is not taking it
[15:24:55] <cmihai> They say dladm create-aggr is meant for bge, but.. I have bge, on 2 types of MB, and neither work.
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[15:26:27] <prav33n> quasi, Thanks for that link anyways
[15:26:32] <prav33n> quasi, It has more information
[15:26:39] <quasi> prav33n: did you get the bits about setting Bootserver and such?
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[15:27:11] <prav33n> quasi, I can't take those instructions as I am setting up the boot server on GNU/Linux and not on Solaris
[15:27:28] <prav33n> quasi, But I have verified that I have an identical setup on GNU/Linux
[15:27:33] <prav33n> quasi, Functionally same
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[15:29:02] <quasi> prav33n: if you don't want to listen, then don't
[15:29:19] <prav33n> quasi, OOPS
[15:29:27] <prav33n> quasi, I thought you misunderstood what I said
[15:29:55] <prav33n> quasi, I said that the instructions regarding Solaris boot server is not useful to me as I am not running a Solaris boot server
[15:30:05] <prav33n> quasi, I apologize if I didn't make myself clear
[15:30:21] <prav33n> quasi, I was talking about the instructions in the blog article
[15:31:35] <quasi> http://blogs.sun.com/vl/entry/boot_solaris_os_on_x86#nb-dhcp - define custom symbol "GrubMenu" for DHCP option #150 and define "netboot" macro with appropriate boot parameters:
[15:31:47] <prav33n> quasi, I have done that
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[15:32:06] <quasi> mmmkay
[15:32:45] <prav33n> option grubmenu code 150 = text;
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[15:33:00] <prav33n> I was following the article http://wizard.ae.krakow.pl/~mike/solaris/
[15:33:14] <prav33n> As this one is based on a Linux boot server
[15:33:16] <quasi> :BootSrvA=10.18.138.10:BootFile="solaris/boot/grub/pxegrub":GrubMenu="menu.lst.pxe":
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[15:34:46] <prav33n> quasi, Is the above one applicable to Linux boot servers?
[15:34:57] <prav33n> quasi, I thought that it was only on Solaris
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[15:36:42] <quasi> prav33n: I'm not 110% sure, but it generally seems to be a good idea to tell it where to boot from and how
[15:40:03] <prav33n> quasi, I have already added this information by hand in my /etc/dhcpd.conf on my boot server
[15:40:17] <prav33n> quasi, It tells the boot server IP and the image to boot, etc
[15:40:31] <prav33n> quasi, It also tells about the menu.lst to use
[15:40:48] <quasi> prav33n: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9598/sam0504e/ is another that says something similar about options
[15:40:51] <prav33n> But the problem is that the client is not accepting the options (option 150)
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[15:45:04] <prav33n> quasi, Thanks for your help
[15:45:11] <prav33n> quasi, Still I have some unknown issues
[15:45:32] <prav33n> quasi, The DHCP log is complaining that the pxe client doesn't accept options
[15:45:54] <prav33n> quasi, I am not sure if the problem is on the client side (Intel PXE)
[15:46:05] <prav33n> quasi, I will figure it out
[15:46:08] <prav33n> quasi, Thanks anyways
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[16:03:29] <sartek> solaris, by default supports reiserfs?
[16:05:05] <delewis> sartek, no
[16:05:14] <delewis> Solaris doesn't even support ReiserFS in any shape or form
[16:05:27] <sartek> deather: thx
[16:05:40] <sartek> delewis ..
[16:06:03] <sartek> stupid TAB
[16:11:04] <rbrown> Solaris does not support a fs made by a serial killer
[16:11:09] <rbrown> (kidding) :-P
[16:11:22] <rbrown> poor hans
[16:11:43] <delewis> or one that seems to lose data quite proficiently :-)
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[16:13:19] <delewis> the future of ReiserFS is also questionable, as well, given Namesys is trying to be sold
[16:16:45] <sartek> yea, i know the story, but unfortunetly i've some reiser partitions and i cant modify, only with data loss
[16:17:20] <delewis> sartek, no media to back the data up to?
[16:18:24] <sartek> i've 180G, but hope that in the close future i'll buy a new hdd :)
[16:18:59] <delewis> sartek, if you've got any FAT filesystems laying around, Solaris can mount those, too.
[16:19:32] <delewis> but yeah, for reference, the only disk-based filesystems Solaris supports are UFS, System V FS, ZFS, and pcfs (FAT)
[16:19:34] <sartek> i dont have m$ thinks on the pc:)
[16:19:55] <timeless> you don't have any mmcs/usb sticks?
[16:20:04] <sartek> no
[16:20:13] <timeless> delewis: joliet doesn't count as disk based?
[16:20:31] <delewis> timeless, ISO9660, you mean.
[16:20:38] <timeless> sure
[16:20:39] <delewis> Joliet and Rock-Ridge are just extensions.
[16:20:43] <delewis> but sure.
[16:20:52] <timeless> but joliet is easier to spell
[16:20:58] <delewis> this is true.
[16:21:05] <sartek> :)
[16:24:09] <sartek> so, nor ext3?
[16:24:52] <timeless> ext3 really isn't worth spending time  on</random-opinion>
[16:24:56] * timeless much prefers zfs
[16:25:58] <timeless> arguably ext2 read support might be useful, i suppose
[16:26:01] <delewis> ZFS could very well become one of the most implemented filesystems.
[16:26:02] <timeless> but it's probably an unhappy game
[16:26:09] <delewis> given the current rate of implementation, that is.
[16:26:12] <delewis> that'd rock, too :-)
[16:26:37] <Saltsa> zfs is nice, works in linux (and freebsd?) too.
[16:26:46] <timeless> works in linux?
[16:26:50] * timeless must have missed a memo
[16:26:53] <delewis> Saltsa, there's a FUSE implementation
[16:27:04] <delewis> I don't know how much progress it has made, if any
[16:27:10] <Saltsa> timeless: there is working implementation for read and write support for linux, http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com
[16:27:11] <delewis> on the other hand, the ZFS implementation is quite usable.
[16:27:17] <delewis> Pavek has a lot of stuff working.
[16:27:30] <delewis> FreeBSD*
[16:27:57] <timeless> wow
[16:28:19] <delewis> so, yeah, migrate your data to ZFS if you want a truly portable filesystem :-)
[16:28:29] <delewis> endian-adaptiveness is quite nice, too :-)
[16:30:43] <delewis> I wonder what the performance impact of it is, though
[16:30:51] <delewis> given every IO operation requires a byte swap
[16:31:11] <LordKing> Mac OS X Leopard will also have ZFS
[16:31:54] <pjd_> delewis: Pawel:)
[16:32:10] <delewis> oh, sorry Pawel :-)
[16:32:52] <Ludo_> delewis: you can only mount the system with the linux fuse implementation, so far it's not really working
[16:33:24] <delewis> Ludo_, fun.
[16:33:51] <Saltsa> delewis: ithink it doesn't do byte swapping.
[16:34:12] <delewis> Saltsa, that's what I read from a presentation.
[16:34:20] <delewis> but that would've been simplified for the layman.
[16:34:49] <Saltsa> delewis: it was something that you can export zfs and then import it in the other endian-system and it works.
[16:35:28] * pjd_ would like to see source of MacOSX ZFS port.
[16:35:59] <delewis> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/os-presentations/zfs.pdf
[16:36:00] <delewis> page 29
[16:36:38] <delewis> ah, writes use the native endianness, but reads are byteswapped
[16:36:47] <timeless> switching between osx for intel and osx for ppc w/ zfs should be amusing :)
[16:37:01] <timeless> stick zfs on a firewire drive :)
[16:37:12] <delewis> zpool export :-)
[16:37:23] <timeless> for kicks, setup a proper firewire bus w/ both machines and the hard drive
[16:37:33] <timeless> and then use zpool export/import to rotate ownership
[16:38:31] <pjd_> Does anyone know how can I obtain file system type the given file is on? From shell..
[16:38:38] <delewis> pjd_, fstyp
[16:38:52] <delewis> just use that on the block device or raw device
[16:39:28] <pjd_> So first df(1) and then fstyp. Sounds like a plan, thanks.
[16:39:34] <delewis> pjd_, sure :-)
[16:41:32] <pjd_> delewis: Won't work with ZFS...
[16:42:54] <timeless> swift% /usr/sbin/fstyp root_pool/home/www
[16:42:55] <timeless> unknown_fstyp (cannot open device)
[16:43:07] <Stric> delewis: and user data isn't byte swapped, only metadata
[16:43:34] <delewis> hmph.
[16:43:37] <delewis> file an RFE :-)
[16:43:56] <timeless> byteswapping an iso image seems kinda expensive
[16:45:43] <delewis> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4861844
[16:46:19] <delewis> so much for fstyp
[16:46:57] <delewis> unfortunately, the first case doesn't work, either
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[16:47:30] <delewis> # fstyp /dev/rdsk/c1t37d0s0
[16:47:31] <delewis> zfs
[16:47:32] <delewis> bingo.
[16:47:50] <delewis> the block device special file works, as well.
[16:47:57] <timeless> but how do you get to that?
[16:48:12] <delewis> you do use df, then use zpool output
[16:48:21] <delewis> nasty.
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[16:49:59] <delewis> and setting mountpoint would make things even more difficult, I think.
[16:50:44] <pjd_> It won't work for NFS either.
[16:56:22] <rbrown> zfs is silly
[16:57:13] * delewis watches rbrown be eaten alive by gisburn's komodo dragons
[16:58:00] * timeless chuckles
[16:58:42] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/skins/custom/images/mozchomp.gif
[16:59:05] <delewis> hah, nice.
[16:59:22] <timeless> you get that if you use a gecko (e.g. firefox) and load a long query
[16:59:26] <timeless> e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&field0-0-0=bug_status&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=UNCONFIRMED&field0-0-1=reporter&type0-0-1=equals&value0-0-1=timeless%40bemail.org
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[18:05:58] <jteo> re.
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[18:15:05] <deformative> http://cgi.ebay.com/SUN-MICROSYSTEM-ULTRA-80-QUAD-450-4GIGS-RAM-2X36-HDD-TE_W0QQitemZ120068928309QQihZ002QQcategoryZ20328QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
[18:15:09] <deformative> IS that a good deal?
[18:15:16] <deformative> It is in driving distance of my house.
[18:15:21] <deformative> so I can pick it up.
[18:16:46] <sommerfeld> what do you want to use it for?
[18:17:40] <deformative> MMORPG hosting.
[18:17:42] <quasi> Acoustic Noise: Operating: 5.9 bels - that could get annoying ;)
[18:17:45] <deformative> I am writing my own mmorpg server.
[18:18:03] <jamesd_> its a good deal but an extra $100 can get you a much better box  ( blade 1000, dual 750's  and upgradable to    8GB of ram )
[18:18:36] <deformative> Hmm,  blade draws a lot more power.
[18:18:53] <deformative> quasi,  was the acoustic noise thing about that server?
[18:19:00] <sommerfeld> if you get to both M's of an MMORPG you'll probably outgrow it :-)
[18:19:21] <deformative> I meant MORPG.
[18:19:22] <deformative> Heh.
[18:19:31] <sommerfeld> but you have enough cpu's there that you'll be able to know whether your design can scale up..
[18:19:34] <quasi> deformative: yes, it was
[18:19:48] <deformative> That system is loud?
[18:19:58] <sommerfeld> (if you outgrow it, get something like a T1000 ..)
[18:20:52] <deformative> Well,  I won't outgrow it very fast,  I am planning on just using it for testing, and beta.
[18:21:37] <deformative> But I don't see a need for a system with 8 gigs of ram yet,  I just don't think that the server+OS is even that big.
[18:22:15] <quasi> deformative: the t1000 is much worse - Operating/Idling Acoustic Noise 7.7B (LwAd, 1B=10dB) Operating/Idling Acoustic Noise 66dB (LpAm, bystander positions)
[18:22:34] <sommerfeld> if you have aspirations of scaling up, 4x450 will be better for your than a 2x750
[18:22:50] <deformative> YEah,  that is what I was planning on.
[18:23:05] <deformative> Well I figured it was better for what I need.
[18:23:10] <sommerfeld> right, but you'd put that into a data center/colo/closet away from humans.
[18:23:22] <sommerfeld> (that == T1000)
[18:23:27] <deformative> Heh.
[18:23:44] <deformative> Is the ultra 80 barable or should i put it in the basement/
[18:23:45] <deformative> ?
[18:23:58] <jamesd_> but if you ever want the box to be a desktop the blade 1000 is a much better choice
[18:24:13] <deformative> Kay,  not interested in desktops.
[18:24:15] <deformative> ^_^
[18:24:24] <deformative> I haven't used my desktop in 4 months or so.
[18:24:25] <quasi> sommerfeld: indeed - the t1000 and x2100 are loud as hell
[18:24:32] <deformative> I just use lappys and ssh.
[18:25:20] <sommerfeld> anything powerful and 1U will be loud, because small fans need to spin faster to move air...
[18:26:06] <sommerfeld> heck, even my brother-in-law's sony PS2 is !@#!@ loud, and it's a bit thicker than 1U.
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[18:26:21] <quasi> x2100 has dropped a little bit in the m2 version
[18:27:10] <quasi> x2200 is even more quiet
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[18:38:37] <leal> hello all!
[18:40:16] <leal> how can i use dtrace to know the time wasted in the read retries ( on a socket).
[18:41:16] <leal> I mean, the time spent in reads is ok, the problem (i guess) is the EAGAIN (a lot) failures..
[18:41:37] <rbrown> show us what you have
[18:42:28] <leal> rbrown: are you talking to me?
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[20:05:08] * delewis mutters
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[20:06:20] <delewis> latest osol-discuss poster complaining that one of his zones on a production system decided to grab for memory on the system, and the lack of 'memory-capping' capability for zones.
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[20:06:38] <delewis> nothing like rolling zones into production without setting resource management up.
[20:06:44] <delewis> (and then denying it exists)
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[20:12:53] <Error_404> if you mess up, blame the OS
[20:13:02] <charlieS> of course :)
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[20:26:45] <pikapika> hello
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[20:57:44] <pjd_> I need to find out where exactly rename(2) returns EINVAL on my call, can dtrace help me with this?
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[21:14:23] <tomww> * delewis
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[21:20:24] <rbrown> pjd_, seems like over kill
[21:20:26] <rbrown> why not use truss
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[21:21:36] <pjd_> rbrown: Because I need to know function name and line where in the kernel this error is returned.
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[21:25:04] <PerterB> pjd_: have a look at http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223/6mlkidljt?a=view for an example of how to turn on kernel function tracing for a particular system call
[21:25:15] <PerterB> then cross reference with the source
[21:26:05] <pjd_> PerterB: But in general, does dtrace allows to get func+line where function returns or only the return value?
[21:26:48] <PerterB> only the return value, so then you have to see how many places within the function that errval could be returned (usually not many)
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[21:28:20] <pjd_> Yeah.
[21:28:22] <pjd_> Thanks.
[21:29:15] <PerterB> you could also look at the rename(2) manpage which tells you the only reasons EINVAL _should_ be returned ;)
[21:30:09] <pjd_> I know why it is returned, I need to find out where exactly.
[21:30:26] <PerterB> ok
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[22:36:41] <dclark1> test
[22:36:56] <Auralis> failed :)
[22:37:07] * dclark1 thinks "yep .. my nick is busted"
[22:37:36] <dclark1> oh well ... I'm farting around with Sol10 update 3 install via jumpstart and am trying to take a newbie approach
[22:37:46] <dclark1> its really dumb from that perspective
[22:38:10] <dclark1> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/howto_jumpstart.txt
[22:38:21] <dclark1> scroll to the bottom .. I'm updating it on the fly
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[22:41:41] <dclark1> gday
[22:41:49] <Tpenta> dennis
[22:42:04] <dclark1> yep ..
[22:42:05] <Tpenta> condiments of teh seasoning my friend
[22:42:08] <dclark1> my nick is busted
[22:42:21] <Tpenta> in what way?
[22:42:26] <dclark1> condiments .. perfect .. I like those little plastic packages with ketchup in them !
[22:42:41] <dclark1> oh .. I can not select my usual nick of dclarke .. dunno why
[22:43:10] <Tpenta> try messaging nickserv with the command "ghost dclarke password"
[22:43:12] <dclark1> I'm having some fun playing with a jumpstart install of Sol10u3 and trying to take a newbie approach
[22:43:27] <dclark1> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/howto_jumpstart.txt
[22:43:27] <Tpenta> it is dclarke that you want isnt it?
[22:43:34] <dclark1> yes .. dclarke
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[22:44:31] <dclarke> test
[22:44:36] <dclarke> well .. that worked
[22:44:43] <dclarke> cool .. thanks Tpenta
[22:44:48] <Tpenta> :)
[22:44:53] <Tpenta> you were connected from somewhere else
[22:45:02] <dclarke> strange ..
[22:45:14] <dclarke> I only have one GUI based workatation online
[22:45:25] <Tpenta> looks like things are proceeding that it might be possible to get jokosher running on nevada
[22:45:32] <Tpenta> just a couple of bugs to look after
[22:45:42] <dclarke> jokosher ?
[22:45:45] * dclarke looks lost
[22:45:51] <Tpenta> have a look at www.jokosher.org
[22:46:15] <dclarke> oooh .. slick audio tools
[22:46:22] <Tpenta> looks nice dont it
[22:46:44] <Tpenta> See also: http://www.jokosher.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=220&sid=80eabb2bba8de2baf2a155a1e0e2a361 and http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2006/12/15/0
[22:46:46] <dclarke> very slick ...
[22:47:04] <dclarke> does it actualyl work ?  or is it like some Linux distros .. very slick "looking"
[22:47:26] <Tpenta> i believe it has a community of users
[22:47:28] <Tpenta> in #jokosher
[22:47:49] <dclarke> so .. are you doing a package ?
[22:48:07] <dclarke> if so .. and its community software .. then why not join up at Blastwave and push out a package to the world ?
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[22:49:39] <dclarke> geez ... that wasn't the response I was expecting
[22:51:52] <jbk> hehe
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[22:57:44] <dclarke> gee .. was it something I said ?
[22:57:51] <boyd> Morning, all
[22:57:56] <dclarke> g'day
[22:58:16] <dclarke> hot down there ?  because there is no snow here and I'd like to think that its somewhere
[22:58:54] <boyd> Not bad... actually we had the coldest Christmas Day on record.... 12degC
[22:58:57] <Doc> australia did have significant snow on xmas day
[22:59:16] <jbk> 5 flakes? :)
[22:59:19] <boyd> Significant in Australian terms :)
[22:59:29] <boyd> Especially in December
[22:59:32] <Doc> well, significant for "middle of summer"
[22:59:52] <Doc> not quite as much as, say, denver, for example
[23:00:13] <boyd> dclarke: Maybe we stole your cold. On the other hand 2 days before christmas it was 36degC here
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[23:03:13] <boyd> ... and we'll be back up there for new-years day
[23:03:33] <hile_> hey mrdeviant
[23:03:44] <Doc> what are they forecasting for new years day?
[23:03:55] <Doc> we had two datacenters go last year in the 40-odd degree heat
[23:04:17] <hile_> were you on-call, Doc?
[23:04:30] <Doc> crap.. they are predicting showers for new years eve
[23:04:39] <boyd> Doc: Melbourne: Monday        Fine.                                  Min 17    Max 32
[23:04:41] <Doc> hile: not for those particular systems, no
[23:05:02] <Doc> we've got showers and 23ish
[23:05:21] <dclarke> face it .. Global warming is here and its my kids and their children that will pay
[23:05:31] <dclarke> its a huge issue and I think we need martial law to fix it
[23:05:36] <Doc> global warming? 23 degrees?
[23:05:48] <dclarke> i you drive an SUV .. you had better have a good reason and government authorization for it
[23:05:56] <dclarke> its warm up here
[23:06:01] * Doc turns on a few more electrical appliances to try and kill enough ozone to make new years eve sunny
[23:06:07] <dclarke> I'm in Canada and its over 0 degrees right now
[23:06:14] <dclarke> thats .. insanne
[23:06:35] <boyd> Yeah.... :)
[23:06:55] <dclarke> to be in Canada anywhere .. and its over 0 degrees at this time of year is just scary
[23:07:03] <hile_> go west, dennis.
[23:07:11] <hile_> it's usually warmer than that on the west coast
[23:07:11] <dclarke> warm out west ?
[23:07:33] <hile_> i believe a lot o the time, yes.
[23:07:35] <dclarke> its over 0 degrees at Jan 1st ?
[23:07:46] <hile_> in Vancouver, most likely
[23:07:48] * dclarke sulks
[23:07:53] <hile_> 5,8,10 probably
[23:08:03] <dclarke> be right back .. gotta continue my install here
[23:08:57] * boyd is reminded that he need to flash a box, too.
[23:10:42] <jbk> it's 10C back at my house.. somewhat unusual should be closer to 3-5C
[23:11:02] <dclarke> anyone know what "Realmode Modules" are ?
[23:11:17] <dclarke> are they releated to Intel 80386 realmode ?
[23:11:24] <jbk> context?
[23:11:28] <boyd> I'd have thought so... what's the context?
[23:11:39] <dclarke> during install of Solaris 10 update 3
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[23:11:47] <dclarke> I can select a Core install
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[23:11:55] <dclarke> and then customize the packages installed
[23:12:29] <boyd> !? So you're saying there is a package in s10u3 with that name?
[23:12:30] <Drone> Faq 'So you're saying there is a package in s10u3 with that name?' couldn't be found.
[23:12:31] <dclarke> see here http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/howto_jumpstart.txt
[23:12:51] <boyd> Umm... what the hell was that with drone?
[23:12:58] <trygvis> ?! drone
[23:13:03] * boyd feels like he's playing a text adventure
[23:13:07] <dclarke> yeah .. its in there and it makes little sense for an UltraSparc based machine eh ?
[23:13:21] * boyd goes to look at the packages for s10u3
[23:13:22] <jbk> could it be pxe related?
[23:13:37] * dclarke fires a shotgun blast point blank into the drone
[23:13:38] <scode> Hmm. So network/pfil is a non existent service on my freshly installed build54. What am I missing? It's not registered with svcs at all (nothing in svcs, svcadm does not know about it, and changing /etc/ipf/pfil.ap has no effect on reboots).
[23:13:57] <dclarke> scode : spooky
[23:14:38] <scode> I take it that means it should be there. :)
[23:14:43] <boyd> scode: Was it a full install?
[23:14:55] <scode> boyd: Full, except the OEM stuff.
[23:15:11] <scode> Which seemed non-existent since size was not affected by that option.
[23:15:12] <kimc> i don't see anyting about Realmode in the link
[23:15:15] <scode> The full 5 gig+ install.
[23:15:34] <boyd> dclarke: SUNWrmodu ?
[23:16:54] <dclarke> boyd :  SUNWrmodu
[23:16:55] <boyd> dclarke: It contains only /usr/lib/fs/ufs/mboot it seems.
[23:17:01] <dclarke> see bottom of that link
[23:17:26] <dclarke> mboot eh ?
[23:17:51] * dclarke scratches head
[23:19:20] * boyd is on his annual "serial terminal sabbatical" so looking up urls is a little sluggish currently
[23:19:24] <PerterB> hmm, on x86 isn't that the code to drop in the MBR?
[23:21:18] <dclarke> well ... this is an UltraSparc machine
[23:21:34] <dclarke> scode : I was just looking into your IP filter issues
[23:21:51] <boyd> dclarke: Do you always "format" disks before an install??
[23:21:53] <dclarke> looks like those packages are mandatory .. not optional .. you have to have them somewhere
[23:22:08] <dclarke> boyd : only old 9GB disks I picked off the floor
[23:22:08] <scode> dclarke: Well, ipf is installed, as is the ipfilter manpage.
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[23:22:24] <boyd> dclarke: I can't believe how licky you were to catch that page... it's only one file
[23:22:27] <scode> dclarke: Butthere was no ipf.conf/pfil.apfile by default (as there was on e.g. my previous nexenta install). And as I said svcs does not know about network/pfil.
[23:22:47] <dclarke> boyd : what line ?
[23:22:58] * dclarke feels lucky
[23:23:51] <dclarke> by the way .. for giggles I have instaleld a core install and then added the required packages to get Zones working
[23:23:56] <dclarke> it was .. educational
[23:25:15] <dclarke> well .. this looks interesting ...
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[23:25:37] <dclarke> Abbreviation:  SUNWCrcapu
[23:25:38] <dclarke> Description:  Solaris Resource Capping Daemon
[23:26:17] <PerterB> I appreciate you're on SPARC... and on the only SPARC installed I have to hand (without going and finding my securid token) it's there and file(1) reports it as "DOS executable (COM)"
[23:26:17] <boyd> dclarke: That's been there since s10 GA
[23:26:47] <dclarke> oh well ... thats what I get for paying attention
[23:27:02] <dclarke> its not like I haven't been using S10 since its earliest beta
[23:27:10] <dclarke> but I guess .. I never really looked at that one
[23:27:41] <dclarke> PerterB: a DOS COM file eh ?
[23:27:47] <dclarke> cool ...
[23:28:13] <boyd> Anyone happen to know if I can put coffee grounds in a worm farm? Will they go all twitchy?
[23:29:02] <dclarke> boyd : go for it ..
[23:29:16] <dclarke> boyd : I'm sure its safe and hey .. whats the worst that can happen
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[23:29:55] <boyd> I get a bunch of pepped up worms that come and attack the house while we're sleeping.
[23:30:03] <_william_> hi all
[23:30:13] <boyd> Actually, I was wondering if it would kill them
[23:30:16] <PerterB> apparently:-
[23:30:18] <PerterB> pete@peach:/usr/lib/fs/ufs$ isainfo && file mboot
[23:30:19] <PerterB> sparcv9 sparc
[23:30:20] <PerterB> mboot:          DOS executable (COM)
[23:30:20] <jamesd_> hi _william_
[23:30:43] <PerterB> maybe a packaging error on Nevada
[23:30:48] <_william_> hi jamesd_ , how are you ?
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[23:30:58] <jamesd_> o
[23:31:03] <jamesd_> i'm fine.
[23:31:59] <_william_> i read your post on your blog about the fact that you don't need to go back to your 9600 baud jail ;) good news
[23:33:54] <boyd> PerterB: This is on s10u3
[23:34:00] <jamesd_> yeah i was worried... but i'm getting better now, the doctor wasn't even concerned
[23:34:03] <myrkraverk> has anyone here gone through the device driver tutorial?
[23:34:20] <myrkraverk> qotd_2 doesn't want to work for me ;(
[23:35:36] <PerterB> boyd: interesting... and the file has a slightly different checksum but the same strings as 10u3/x86
[23:41:47] <Doc> mboot isnt used on sparc
[23:42:36] <Doc> it's the boot loader thingy for x86. not sure why it's ever there on sparc, but i'm fairly sure it always has been
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[23:43:53] <PerterB> that was sort of my point, it's likely there by mistake as an x86 bootblock isn't much use on sparc
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