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[00:49:27] <onbot> commit by Mark Maybee:  6505658 target MRU size (arc.p) needs to be adjusted more aggressively
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[01:13:30] <gisburn> grrrr
[01:13:36] <gisburn> torcs crashes Xsun
[01:13:41] <gisburn> again
[01:13:46] <gisburn> on OpenGL code
[01:14:07] <gisburn> s/on/in/
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[01:17:05] <alanc> torcs?
[01:19:26] <gisburn> car racing game in OpenGL
[01:20:57] <gisburn> http://torcs.sourceforge.net/
[01:21:00] <gisburn> hell
[01:21:31] <gisburn> alanc: did the Sun OpenGL team ever tested anything except the CAD/CAM stuff with their GL implementation ? ;-(
[01:22:11] <gisburn> neverball is slow like molasses since the code spins in fetching pixels by pixels instead of per texture
[01:22:30] <jamesd> openGL == open graphics later ;-p
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[01:23:02] * gisburn kicks jamesd with http://icculus.org/neverball/#screenshots
[01:23:32] <gisburn> and neverball is really not a demanding application
[01:23:38] <jamesd> be nice to me.. i'm just healthy enough not get readmited into the hospital
[01:24:16] <gisburn> we can change that
[01:24:27] <gisburn> one round with a single komodo dragon should be enougth
[01:24:57] <moazamraja> re
[01:25:02] <moazamraja> anyone seen this before,
[01:25:02] <moazamraja> # zpool create test c1t1d0
[01:25:02] <moazamraja> ld.so.1: zpool: fatal: relocation error: file /sbin/zpool: symbol dm_inuse: referenced symbol not found
[01:25:02] <moazamraja> Killed
[01:25:03] <moazamraja> ?
[01:25:16] <gisburn> moazamraja: sorry, license for zfs expired
[01:25:47] <jmcp> moazamraja: I reckon your bits are out of sync
[01:25:54] <gisburn> alternatively some library or the zpool was updated but a dependicy was not
[01:26:07] <moazamraja> gisburn: interesting
[01:26:12] <moazamraja> i'm not sure what this guy did
[01:26:21] <gisburn> moazamraja: $ uname -a # , please
[01:26:24] <moazamraja> i.e., what version of solaris 10 he had..and where he got the zfs bits from
[01:26:34] <moazamraja> gisburn: thats what i asked the original guy for :P
[01:26:37] <moazamraja> getting it..
[01:27:28] <richlowe> it looks like he's lacking libdiskmgmt
[01:27:35] <richlowe> or lacking that part of it.
[01:29:00] <moazamraja> # uname -a
[01:29:01] <moazamraja> SunOS dev-sol10 5.10 Generic_118833-03 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60
[01:29:28] <moazamraja> i think they putzed with the packages and 'stripped' what they thought they wouldnt need
[01:29:51] <alanc> gisburn: I don't know what they test with other than the SPEC viewperf stuff
[01:30:19] <moazamraja> these guys love doing custom jumpstart images stripped down to only what they know
[01:30:23] <alanc> and of course, they hear about it when one of the opengl xscreensaver hacks hit a bug
[01:30:41] <richlowe> moazamraja: tell 'em to go put SUNWsmapi back.
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[01:31:45] <moazamraja> otay
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[01:33:00] <gisburn> alanc: would it help to offer them a cradle full with beer bottles when they fix the bugs with Sun OpenGL vs. trackballs ?
[01:36:37] <alanc> there's only so much beer 2 people can drink by themselves
[01:37:04] <gisburn> ;-(
[01:37:11] <jmcp> moazamraja: because quite clearly in this case they don't know as much as they think they did
[01:39:11] <moazamraja> jmcp: yeah, i knew they didn't know as much they though they knew, but i knew better then to tell them about what they know not ;)
[01:39:20] <jmcp> hehe
[01:39:38] <moazamraja> jcmp: u back at Sun?
[01:39:43] <moazamraja> or contract?
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[01:40:29] <jmcp> back @ Sun on a contract
[01:40:41] <moazamraja> cool
[01:40:52] <moazamraja> i'm visiting MPK in a day or so, i miss that place
[01:41:18] <jmcp> I'm going to be visiting brendang and a few other mpk folks on the 2/3 of Jan
[01:41:27] <moazamraja> oh cool
[01:41:44] <moazamraja> <-- was in mpk16 for years
[01:41:50] <moazamraja> my office was so kickass :P
[01:41:51] <alanc> may not be many people here in a day or two - it's emptying out for the holidays pretty quickly
[01:41:58] <moazamraja> 2 windows, overlooking the center of the campus :P
[01:42:01] <moazamraja> yeah
[01:42:13] <moazamraja> already its hard to get ppl on the phone, everyone is gone
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[02:01:57] <gisburn>  f6af59e4 ogl_afb_output_tri (1b848d8, 2900, 1837068, 2484614, 3910a84, 2601) + 7a4
[02:01:58] <gisburn>  f6af504c output_tri_row (20d8, af, 2000, f6af5240, ff9cae00, 8) + 5ac
[02:02:00] <gisburn>  f6af0f80 tessellate_tri (ffffae77, 131b158, ffffae77, ffbfe500, ffae7600, ffbfe510) + 1940
[02:02:01] <gisburn>  f6adc870 ogl_afb_parse_tex_multi_buffer (321d1c8, 29e5f60, ff9bfff8, 0, 2b97640, 1837068) + 4250
[02:02:05] <gisburn> full lockup by bzflag
[02:02:20] <gisburn> and Xsun is swapping madly
[02:02:47] <gisburn> This quality product was delivered to you by Sun microsystems
[02:03:06] <gisburn> and a free tank game can take it hang in an endless loop
[02:04:28] <onbot> commit by Jack A Schwartz:  FWARC/2006/498 N2 PIU Performance Counters HV API; FWARC/2006/592 Niagara2 PIU Performance Counter bus binding and MD description; 6466249 Need support for N2 PIU performance counters
[02:07:55] <gdamore> gisburn: heh OpenGL with Xsun is a dubious prospect sometimes. :-)
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[02:14:11] <gisburn> ok... lets pick a bug tittle...
[02:14:26] <gisburn> "bzflag shot my blade1000/afb workstation" ?
[02:14:31] <gisburn> not cruel enougth
[02:15:00] <gisburn> "remote attacker invaded by blade1000/afb with bzflag tanks" ?
[02:15:03] <Stric> "I tried to kill my friend in bzflag, but opengl killed me instead :("
[02:15:52] <gisburn> alanc: is there a reason that Xsun ignores kill -TERM and -HUP when in opengl code ?
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[03:47:16] <alanc> heh: CR 6506959 Created P3 opensolaris/triage-queue redefinition of typedef 'PFNGLGETUNIFORMUIVEXTPROC'
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[03:47:35] <alanc> if it wasn't OpenGL I'd suspect they were just pounding on the keyboard
[03:48:30] <Tpenta> oouch
[03:48:47] <Tpenta> like a monkey?
[03:49:01] <jamesd> sock the monkey.
[03:49:05] <jamesd> er shock
[03:49:20] <moazamraja> what the....
[03:49:54] <jamesd> have you forgotten  80's pop/rock music allready?
[03:50:15] <jamesd> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petergabriel/shockthemonkey.html
[03:50:24] <Tpenta> i was thnking o fthe bug with the workaround "don't bang on the keyboard like a <word i forget> monkey:
[03:50:35] <alanc> wild monkey?
[03:50:48] <Tpenta> dont thnk it was wild, nor was it rabid like i initially thought
[03:51:07] <moazamraja> 80's rap = "Brass Monkey...that funky monkey!"
[03:51:48] <jbk> evening
[03:52:56] <Tpenta> CR4102680 was on the mouse like a wild monkey, there was another for keyboard
[03:53:13] <alanc> 4256482: Work Around: Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey
[03:53:44] <jamesd> how else is bush going to create his foreign policy?
[03:53:59] <Tpenta> alanc was right, it was wild
[03:54:26] <Tpenta> CR 4256482 - WOrkaround: Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey (my thanks to the submitter of bug 4102680 for the literary construct)
[03:54:42] <Tpenta> you found it quicker than i did alanc :)
[03:54:51] <alanc> I searched for "CDE monkey"
[03:54:56] <Tpenta> :)
[03:55:02] <alanc> since I remembered it was a CDE bug
[03:56:02] <alanc> that also hit a few dtmail bugs, since dtmail liked using the "group of animals" strings as mime boundary headers, so there were a few bugs with "Content-Type: MULTIPART/mixed; BOUNDARY=Troop_of_Monkeys_545_000" and the like
[03:56:27] <Tpenta> :)
[03:57:38] <alanc> and for some reason, a crypt bug in which the test case included strlcpy(buffer + 1024, "monkeys rule!", size - 1024);
[03:59:42] <alanc> oh, because it made dtlogin crash
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[04:42:06] <gisburn> Can anyone remeber the phrase from the wedding thing ? "... speak now or shut up forever..." or something like that...
[04:47:44] <jmcp> if anyone has can show cause why these two people should not be joined in holy matrimony, let them speak now or forever hold their peace
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[04:48:06] <gisburn> Mhhh.... Ok
[04:48:40] <richlowe> or 'should not be wed' (or something close to that) in some cases.
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[04:49:02] <gisburn> "If anyone from the reviewers can show cause why this project should not integrate into OS/Net let them speak forever or hold their peace"
[04:49:07] <jmcp> heh
[04:49:16] <adam_bin> hi all
[04:49:19] <adam_bin> Does anyone use Solaris's event completion framework?
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[04:49:44] * gisburn points to sommerfeld or Tpenta
[04:50:05] * gisburn watches sommerfeld running away (screaming!) and Tpenta  hiding under the cupboard
[04:50:16] <Tpenta> actually under my desk
[04:50:26] <Tpenta> there's too much junk on the floor to get to the cupboard
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[04:51:14] <gisburn> Tpenta: you have cups on your desk. Always. With coffee from the last month + green fungus currently evolved to a point where it learns portugese
[04:51:45] <Tpenta> ummmmm. one coffee cup from this morning, a couple of empty drink tins and milk plastic bottles
[04:51:54] <gisburn> Did anyone saw Stargate Atlantis "The Game" yet ?
[04:52:19] <Doc> if you drink the green stuff do you then know portuege yourself?
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[04:53:27] <Auralis> gisburn: yes
[04:53:30] <gisburn> Doc: ask Tpenta
[04:53:57] <Tpenta> dont have any portugese green stuff in coffee cups. I have a dishwasher in which my coffee cups end up in during the day
[04:54:10] <gisburn> Auralis: any rating ? 0 (worse like rabies) ... 100 (very good) ?
[04:54:35] <Auralis> 70 or so, solid,nothing spectacular
[04:55:10] <brendang_> G'Day
[04:55:29] <gisburn> Auralis: really ? What about the scene where Rodney sees "his" flag the first time (and Dr. Weir then looks angry like a mom when he and Sheppard try to explain... the game)
[04:56:05] <jmcp> brendang_: gday!
[04:56:08] <gisburn> Auralis: I'd say at least 85, closely to the episode "McKay and Ms. Miller"
[04:56:11] <Tpenta> hey brendan
[04:57:23] <Auralis> <shrug> i didn't cared much for the game
[04:59:07] <gisburn> Auralis: did you every played populus ?
[04:59:37] <Auralis> no clue
[05:00:42] <brendang_> gisburn: the C64 game?
[05:02:51] <brendang_> jmcp: when do you fly out to the USofA?
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[05:08:34] <gisburn> brendang_: I played it on Amiga
[05:08:40] <brendang_> ahh
[05:09:36] <jmcp> we fly tomorrow
[05:09:59] <brendang_> jmcp: cool
[05:10:00] <jmcp> brendang_: ua840 syd->lax->jfk
[05:10:13] <brendang_> jmcp: bet that's a lot of hours
[05:10:14] <jmcp> we'll be in sf late on the 1st
[05:10:16] <jmcp> yeah :(
[05:10:27] <brendang_> jmcp: you'll miss the 4th Ashes
[05:10:32] <jmcp> I know!
[05:10:50] <richlowe> sod that.
[05:10:53] <brendang_> jmcp: but I wont (willow.tv, US$99) :)
[05:10:55] <jmcp> but we might get lucky in NY and find a bar which is up to date
[05:10:58] <richlowe> bloody cricket :\
[05:11:12] <jmcp> richlowe: just because England choked ..... and lost them in 15 months
[05:11:13] <richlowe> jmcp: I doubt it.
[05:11:16] <brendang_> richlowe: heh - paying for a feed to this Ashes was worth every cent
[05:11:31] <richlowe> jmcp: I haven't even seen mention on TV.
[05:11:40] <richlowe> ... but it is surprisingly easy to find people playing, say, scrabble.
[05:11:43] * jmcp always maintains hope
[05:11:51] <jmcp> brb .. gotta post a package
[05:13:01] <brendang_> I've ordered some cricket gear (bat, stumps, balls) online. couldn't find any for sale anywhere in SF
[05:14:05] <jmcp> back
[05:14:52] <jmcp> brendang_: we're going to visit Alcatraz on the morning of the 2nd
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[05:15:50] <brendang_> jmcp: cool
[05:24:48] <lloy0076> The only FTP client that isn't a command line that's easy to find and install that doesn't a) crash b) try using the bad DNS servers happens to be Konqueror running in my Brand LX zone on Centos 3.8.
[05:25:16] <lloy0076> I'm feeling rather dual personalitied atm. I've got bits running native Solaris and bits running Linux all on OpenSolaris.
[05:29:08] <richlowe> nautilus's ftp stuff not working?
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[05:30:28] <richlowe> guess not.
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[05:32:28] <onbot> commit by cg149915:  6504855 audiohd doesn't work with Tyan 2915/Realtek ALC262 codec
[05:33:41] <sommerfeld> jmcp: http://forum.virtualtourist.com/discussion-304637-1-2-Travel-0-841252-New_York_City-discussion.html
[05:36:33] <jmcp> sommerfeld: ta much
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[05:39:32] <gisburn> 3...
[05:39:33] <gisburn> 2...
[05:39:36] <gisburn> 1...
[05:39:39] <gisburn> 0...
[05:39:40] <jmcp> sommerfeld: you da man!
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[05:41:59] <sommerfeld> (not that I actually understand cricket, mind you...)
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[05:51:56] <Tpenta> jmcp: you want to be @ syd04 tomorrow
[05:52:01] <Tpenta> oh he's gone
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[06:05:58] <onbot> commit by Giri Adari:  PSARC 2006/356 Reliable Datagram Sockets; 6433451 Solaris support for Reliable Datagram Sockets over Infiniband - RDS (2006/356)
[06:06:37] <Doc> you know you've got a problem with a process listing for a system is 3.5 megs long
[06:17:32] <lloy0076> 3.5 megs long?
[06:17:39] <lloy0076> That's kind of a lot of processes.
[06:25:40] <Doc> 29,990 to be exact
[06:28:53] <whaq> Doc, what kind of system can handle such load?
[06:29:19] * richlowe was assuming it didn't handle such load, and that's why Doc is seeing it.
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[06:31:10] <whaq> If you can still get a(problematic)  process listing of such magnitude, I assume it's not such a wimpy system afterall ;)
[06:33:58] <onbot> commit by Jimmy Vetayases:  6503997 wrong pci device number in apid under certain pci[e]hp configurations
[06:34:01] <lloy0076> If you have 30 000 processess all doing nothing but sleeping, it shouldn't cause too much load.
[06:35:07] <lloy0076> (along the principal that Infinity multiplied by Zero is still Zero)
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[06:52:58] <onbot> commit by Rod Evans:  6501793 GOTOP relocation transition (optimization) fails with offsets > 2^32
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[06:53:36] <jbk> i don't suppose anyone knows offhand how to force NFS to use a specific source IP when connecting to a share??
[06:53:48] <jbk> or do i ahve to enter every IP of the box to give it rw perms?
[06:57:48] <lloy0076> Are they CIDR addressable or are they effectively "random"?
[06:58:13] <jbk> random
[07:00:27] * lloy0076 hmmm
[07:01:05] <lloy0076> I had a look in man mount_nfs and couldn't see anything obvious.
[07:04:04] <jbk> man nfs pisses me off sometimes
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[07:05:00] <jmcp> jbk: I assume you're not talking about the manpage nfs(4) .....
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[07:06:11] <jbk> no
[07:06:27] <jbk> basically i have 6 IPs configured on box where i want to mount a share
[07:06:38] <jbk> (actually i have several boxes in the same situation)
[07:06:58] <jbk> and right now, i'm having to put all 6 ips for every box in dfstab to allow access
[07:06:59] <onbot> commit by fl147353:  6500054 minor audio ioctl code cleanup
[07:07:22] <jbk> because i can't control which IP the box selects for outbound traffic (incl nfs)
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[07:08:08] * lloy0076 wonders if you could get at the lower layers of the stack
[07:08:22] <lloy0076> And do something like: "That's a TCP over NFS...force source IP to be XYZ".
[07:08:53] <lloy0076> i.e. if you can't get NFS itself to do it, go one or two layers down.
[07:08:53] <dwc-> jbk: yes you can, if you bind to a particular IP
[07:08:58] <lloy0076> ah
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[07:09:16] <dwc-> by default, sockets are bound to INADDR ANy
[07:09:48] <dwc-> if you have sx or s10u3, you can do policy-based routing as well
[07:10:02] <jbk> dwc-: i know that, i just don't know how to make the solaris nfs client do that
[07:11:02] <dwc-> I don't know the answer to that either
[07:12:41] <lloy0076> Actually, I think dwc is saying what I'm saying but being more specific about the mechanics of it :)
[07:13:15] <dwc-> yes
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[07:22:22] <jbk> unfortunately, i won't be able to use u3 until at least june of next year
[07:23:56] <lloy0076> What's a U3?
[07:24:11] <jbk> (solaris 10) update 3
[07:24:11] <lloy0076> I probably know what it is but by another name.
[07:24:13] <jbk> i.e. 11/06
[07:24:14] <lloy0076> Ah.
[07:24:24] <jbk> which i think might really be 12/06 :)
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[07:28:45] <lloy0076> Oh well, orrrfff I go!
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[07:34:28] <onbot> commit by xz162242:  6501164 dladm reset-linkprop returns 0 on failure; 6501166 dladm scan-wifi's AUTH field should be removed; 6503476 dladm die() nits; 6505029 replace the nanosleep() call with poll() in do_connect()
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[07:50:59] <sahafeez> question - how bad is zfs on a 32 bit cpu?
[07:51:58] <Doc> how much memory?
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[07:53:26] <sahafeez> 1gb
[07:53:45] <Doc> ever seen a VW beetle try and cross the english channel?
[07:53:53] <delewis> shouldn't be too bad.
[07:53:54] <sahafeez> i want to do raidz2 on 4x320 ide drives and server up the system via nfs. it is for home use only
[07:53:57] <g4lt-U60> jbk there's also the ultra3, which is sparc ala gdamore ;P
[07:54:00] <delewis> but of course, the more memory the better.
[07:54:10] <delewis> g4lt-U60, uh, you're a bit behind, I guess.
[07:54:13] <delewis> the Ultra 3 is long dead.
[07:54:24] <delewis> has been for several months.
[07:54:25] <sahafeez> hum. i could drop in another gig.
[07:54:30] <g4lt-U60> delewis, it was only put in the catalog this year
[07:54:41] <delewis> g4lt-U60, and it was killed shortly thereafter.
[07:55:35] <delewis> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/
[07:55:39] * richlowe likes 'long dead' used in conjunction with 'several months'
[07:55:42] <delewis> note the "no longer orderable"
[07:56:13] * g4lt-U60 notes the fact that the ultra3 is still orderable, just not from sun
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[07:57:04] <delewis> I never quite understood the purpose of it, anyway.
[07:57:21] <delewis> Sun publicized that it was just a Naturetech or Tadpole (depending on the model) and went to great lengths to publicize it.
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[07:58:17] <sahafeez> any good docs on securing solaris 10+ as a firewall
[07:58:27] <delewis> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102724-1&searchclause=%22category:security%22%2420%22availability,%2420security%22%2420category:security
[07:58:28] <delewis> fun.
[08:00:23] <delewis> sahafeez, docs? read the ipfilter documentation.
[08:00:49] <delewis> there's nothing really Solaris-specific.
[08:00:51] <sahafeez> i know ipfilter no issues there. i mean the other stuff.
[08:01:22] <sahafeez> i am thinking about replacing my home firewall/server that is openbsd with a solaris box.
[08:01:53] <sahafeez> the issue is i do not trust my solaris know-how as well as i do my openbsd
[08:02:15] <delewis> install JASS. configure ipfilter.
[08:02:19] <delewis> there's not really much to it.
[08:02:26] <sahafeez> JASS?
[08:02:28] <sahafeez> googling
[08:02:38] <delewis> it's a Solaris security toolkit.
[08:02:52] <delewis> it's been re-named something else, IIRC -- appropriately, "Solaris Security Toolkit"
[08:03:47] <sahafeez> thanks..reading now.
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[08:15:52] <Posixzombie> I remeber I saw somewhere in SUN solaris/opensolaris website a list of hardware (like nics, disk drives, etc) which SUN solaris does not intend to supoprt in the near future bit I can' t recall where it was
[08:15:55] <Posixzombie> any ideas ?
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[08:44:45] <noyb> howdy
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[08:46:09] <noyb> I had a guy tell me that there's a zfs port to Linux today.  I disagreed but he was fully convinced it was "out there"
[08:46:45] <noyb> I know about the FUSE read-only stuff, and license incompatibilities...  but anyone know something I don't?
[08:50:29] <noyb> *** cricket sounds...               :)
[08:51:09] <aliquis> I haven't looked for anything about it but all I've stumbled upon is the fuse one which are read only atm yes
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[08:53:45] <noyb> good.   I'm thinking at the moment, that zfs on linux would be a bad thing.  It might be de-motivator for people to move from linux to opensolaris, no?
[08:55:46] <whaq> noyb ,it may also spread the word about opensolaris faster to linux users
[08:56:46] <noyb> and of course, if the zfs implementation on linux was poorly done, people would probably say, "zfs is bad" and stay on linux anyway...
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[08:59:44] <whaq> those with a clue will find out about the bad implementation and turn away from linux all the same
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[09:00:46] <noyb> yes.  "have clue will travel"  and the rumours are a little more substantial that apple has a zfs port...  which I see as a good thing.  The more reasons to leave windows, the better.  :)
[09:02:45] <Posixzombie> I have a noobie questionregarding nfs: I saw somewhere that it is 128 bit; what does this 128 bit fact exactly means ?
[09:03:07] <noyb> zfs?  you mean?
[09:03:14] <Posixzombie> zfs
[09:03:24] <Posixzombie> sorry  zfs aia mean
[09:03:53] <Posixzombie> because if it is so it seems more attractive in linux
[09:04:10] <Posixzombie> because as I understand ext4 is termed 64 bit fs
[09:04:18] <Posixzombie> and I assume ext3 is 32 bit
[09:04:45] <Posixzombie> but what exactly does "128 bit" fs means ? regarding zfs
[09:04:58] <andersmo> It means it can handle very very very very big file systems.
[09:05:07] <andersmo> and lots and lots and lots of disk. =)
[09:05:13] <noyb> it has to do the the size of addressable storage.
[09:06:24] <andersmo> Posixzombie: http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/128_bit_storage_are_you
[09:07:45] <Posixzombie> andersmo, thnks, reading...
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[09:12:07] <delewis> Posixzombie, very large files, basically.
[09:14:35] <Posixzombie> I am trying to understand what is the 128 bits there ; maybe I will have to probe into the code
[09:14:43] <Posixzombie> even this seems quite a task
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[09:15:35] <delewis> Posixzombie, it's quite simple.
[09:15:46] <delewis> the file offset pointer is 2^128 bytes wide.
[09:16:01] <delewis> er, not quite.
[09:16:08] <delewis> that came out horribly wrong :-)
[09:16:08] <Posixzombie> delewis, thnks; any idea what is the offset in ufs?
[09:16:19] <delewis> UFS has 64-bit large file support
[09:16:24] <delewis> so 2^64
[09:16:41] <delewis> meaning it can point to the 2^64-th byte in a file.
[09:16:52] <Posixzombie> delewis, ok  thnks
[09:17:16] <Posixzombie> delewis, and any idea what is the offset in ext3 ? is it 32 ?
[09:18:05] <Posixzombie> delewis, and do i understand that in zfs tre offset can be up to 2^128 ?
[09:18:09] <delewis> I would hope it has largefile support, given lots of Lunix vendors are pushing ext3 as the primary filesystem, which would be used on Oracle database servers, for example.
[09:18:24] <delewis> and such databases can easily exceed 2^32 bytes.
[09:18:40] <Posixzombie> delewis, I Saw that ext4 is said to be 64 bit
[09:18:53] <andersmo> The offsets within files are limited to 64 bits by the operating system interfaces.
[09:19:18] <andersmo> ...this limit applies to ZFS as well, as it's accessed with the same interfaces as UFS or other file systems.
[09:19:41] <andersmo> But ZFS does permit you to make the file system a lot bigger than any other file system at the moment.
[09:20:49] <andersmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 list some of the limits of both file systems for easy comparison.
[09:21:04] <cmihai> delewis: how about using RAW partitions for Oracle and such?
[09:21:36] <cmihai> delewis: most older unices couldn't even create files > 2GB
[09:23:03] <whaq> Posixzombie, i hope you're not gathering info to write up an article on zfs ;)
[09:23:23] <Posixzombie> whaq, it is just out of interest
[09:24:32] <delewis> cmihai, Oracle frowns on raw slices for databases, nowadays :-)
[09:25:10] <delewis> and there's been a bit of research done to dispute the fact that databases which use raw slices perform better than those that do not.
[09:26:11] <delewis> raw might've been a good idea 10 or 15 years ago, but filesystems, in general, have come quite a way.
[09:26:44] <andersmo> Oracle wants you to use ASM on raw slices nowadays. =)
[09:26:45] <cmihai> delewis: well, it was pretty much to avoind the 2GB limitations and overhead of older unices...
[09:26:50] <cmihai> Things have erm.. evolved :)
[09:27:10] <andersmo> (ASM is oracle's own bastardized database-specific volume manager and "file system")
[09:27:13] <delewis> no, it was done because filesystems sucked for database workloads.
[09:29:10] <andersmo> You're probably a DBA beyond all hope of recovery if you prefer ASM's SQL-based administration interface to the regular unix shells... =)
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[09:29:29] <delewis> ASM isn't *that* bad :-)
[09:29:33] <delewis> though, it can be annoying at times.
[09:29:44] <delewis> I have to review which views do what every so often
[09:30:00] <andersmo> It's been a while since I last fiddled with it.
[09:30:26] <delewis> I've been wanting to get around to do doing a benchmark between it, ZFS, and VxFS.
[09:31:14] <cmihai> Hm.. most of the stuff we use is on VxFS atm... though ZFS sounds.. tempting.
[09:31:28] <delewis> ZFS is certainly a lot easier to administer :-)
[09:31:47] <delewis> though, DMP works out of the box, pretty much.
[09:31:54] <delewis> which surprised me
[09:31:57] <cmihai> Not to mention without the "insert cash here to do $X feature"
[09:32:14] <delewis> VxVM does some really annoying things when "things go wrong"
[09:32:25] <delewis> vgdisabled states annoy me to no end
[09:32:41] <delewis> vxdg deport, import, etc.
[09:32:42] <cmihai> I've had issues with upgrades ;
[09:32:57] <cmihai> Most of the stuff had pre 3.x stuff...
[09:33:06] <delewis> fun
[09:33:12] <delewis> my first VxVM experience was with 4.x
[09:33:36] <delewis> I still prefer the AIX LVM to it :-)
[09:33:49] <cmihai> Heh
[09:34:00] <noyb> "I've had issues with upgrades"   <--- understatement.
[09:34:15] <delewis> VxVM upgrades are *that* bad?
[09:34:26] <cmihai> Yeah ;(
[09:34:47] <noyb> on 6800's with stacks of 5100's...  yes.  it's *that* bad.
[09:34:52] <delewis> I'm guess its just easier to deport the vg's, re-install, and import the vg's? :-)
[09:35:06] <cmihai> Pretty much.
[09:35:27] <delewis> I guess I've been spoiled by the AIX LVM and ZFS.
[09:35:38] <cmihai> AIX LVM isn't half bad indeed.
[09:35:43] <noyb> that's what I call a leap of faith.  but generally, V. support was always very helpful to me.
[09:36:09] <noyb> speaking of the de-install/install/import cycle.
[09:36:11] <delewis> it handles path failures a lot better than VxVM, IMO.
[09:36:34] <delewis> I had a weird issue the other day with a vg being disabled, while there were active NFS exports
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[09:37:42] <noyb> anyone else here thinking ZFS is going to do some damage to Veritas?
[09:37:54] <delewis> I think everyone believes that.
[09:37:59] <cmihai> Well, at least in the Solaris area.
[09:38:06] <delewis> does the Sun Availability Suite do replication?
[09:38:07] <noyb> whew... I thought maybe I was a doomsayer.
[09:38:08] <cmihai> I mean, having ZFS, who the hell would pay for Veritas?
[09:38:19] <noyb> I don't know.
[09:38:28] <delewis> nobody hardly uses VxVM on AIX, for instance, unless they've got dg's that were initially created on another system
[09:38:33] <cmihai> Well, maybe for legacy support. but I just don't see it.
[09:38:34] <noyb> but I know some pretty dumb customers.
[09:38:40] <delewis> well, the only edge I see with VxVM at the moment is volume replication.
[09:38:57] <cmihai> Hm.. only place I see a use for VxVM is HP-UX
[09:39:00] <delewis> but I think I remember reading that the Availability Suite has those features
[09:39:01] <noyb> zfs send?  AVS coming soon... ?
[09:39:08] <cmihai> Since HP didn't bother to import the stuff from  Tru64
[09:39:11] <Stric> noyb: Sun removed VxVM from their edu discount pricelist half a year ago or so..
[09:39:19] <delewis> noyb, uh, concurrent, block-level replication.
[09:39:29] <Stric> noyb: which means edu people are less likely to buy it too
[09:39:30] <delewis> the kind of stuff you seeing EMC and IBM Sharks doing on the hardware-level.
[09:40:11] <noyb> delewis: yes, Availability Suite, the STK stuff does that, and it's coming soon.  I was mentioning 'send' for async.
[09:40:26] <delewis> noyb, I figured so.
[09:40:35] <delewis> in that case, I don't really see much of an edge for VxVM anymore.
[09:40:44] <noyb> ditto
[09:40:59] <delewis> VxVM is just a real PITA to administer by comparison.
[09:41:04] <noyb> amen
[09:41:12] <Stric> but it's way easier than svm
[09:41:23] <delewis> and I'm not surprised that's where a lot of the Solaris hatred originates from, given the large Solaris shops have large VxVM deployments.
[09:41:36] <delewis> Stric, SVM does root encapsulation much better, though :-)
[09:41:39] <Stric> esp if you want to do anything other than "mirror two slices once and then leave it"
[09:41:40] <noyb> but a more fitting analogy would be the torture machine in "Princess Bride"
[09:41:57] <noyb> the pit of despair...
[09:42:23] <delewis> most of the vendors I've met that spewed Solaris hatred rhetoric worked with VxVM at some point in their careers on Solaris.
[09:42:36] <delewis> I find that to be not just a coincidence :-)
[09:43:05] <noyb> that sinking feeling that you'll never see your family this week becuause you're busy restoring trashed volumes...  yeah, I can do without that.
[09:43:36] <delewis> I'd be using ZFS on my fileserver right now if only socals had MPxIO support :-)
[09:43:42] <noyb> and, um... I'll take it for free.  thanks.
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[10:17:01] <noyb> hi alanc
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[10:35:56] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:38:57] <Posixzombie> I had prepared an installation server according to sun docs (Network-based installation); could anyone remind me what is the command in order to start net installation for t200 machine ?
[10:39:10] <lasseoe> boot net - install
[10:39:11] <Posixzombie> is it something like "bootnet" or "netboot"?
[10:39:17] <Posixzombie> lasseoe, thnks
[10:39:26] <lasseoe> your a key doens't work
[10:40:11] <Posixzombie> :)
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[10:55:45] <boyd> Evening, all
[10:56:00] <asyd> hello boyd, I was talking about you in the other channel ;p
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[10:56:13] <boyd> Really? why?
[10:56:20] <asyd> for the zsh stuff
[10:56:23] <asyd> :)
[10:56:27] <asyd> (yes, once again)
[10:56:49] <boyd> Ah... Not much happened there, yet... It's been kinda manic.. .moving premises and all.
[10:57:14] <asyd> well, if you want I can try to ask
[10:57:31] <boyd> Huh? Try to ask what?
[10:57:39] <boyd> Oh, about  a zsh project?
[10:59:26] <boyd> I'll get there after Christmas I think
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[10:59:42] <asyd> yup
[10:59:42] <asyd> ok
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[11:23:59] <onbot> commit by johansen-osdev:  6506748 segzio uses unfeasibly large amount of VA
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[11:42:47] <Snake007uk> morning
[11:55:31] <dunc> lo
[11:58:53] <LordKing>  /join #mysql
[11:58:58] <LordKing> sorry
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[12:38:35] <jteo> wb Gman
[12:38:44] <Gman> hey dude
[12:38:47] <Gman> how goes it?
[12:38:58] <Gman> have you got your christmas mojos yet? :)
[12:41:04] <jteo> kinda
[12:41:11] <jteo> you?
[12:41:48] <Gman> yeah, i'm winding down for christmas now
[12:46:27] <whaq> can solaris (nv52) read ext3?
[12:46:44] <delewis> whaq, no
[12:46:49] <delewis> nor can any release of Solaris.
[12:47:24] <whaq> ouch..
[12:47:44] <delewis> if you want to use a common filesystem, use pcfs :-)
[12:49:36] <whaq> pcfs is fat(32)?
[12:49:47] <delewis> yes
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[12:51:33] <whaq> that is so un-elite ;) (jk)
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[12:53:56] <delewis> but practical :-)
[12:54:07] <delewis> FAT is endian-independent.
[12:54:14] <delewis> many filesystems cannot claim this, including UFS.
[12:54:27] <delewis> and very simple
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[12:55:11] <whaq> yeah, i've no problem with that in the future :) I just need to transfer these files from an ext3-formatted usb drive i have
[12:55:58] <delewis> ext3 on a solid-state device does not serve much of a purpose.
[12:56:07] <delewis> FAT is much more suited
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[12:58:56] <whaq> sometimes I share from the drive directly, so the posix permission compatibility matters. What about ntfs, does solaris support that?
[13:00:03] <delewis> no, Solaris only supports ufs, zfs, and pcfs for on-disk filesystems.
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[13:00:35] <delewis> I think Sun would be a bit reluctant to implement a filesystem whose specifications aren't widely published, and by any means would be considered experimental.
[13:00:47] <whaq> okay, thanks. I'm slowly migrating the storage to zfs. It's awesome.
[13:00:54] <delewis> though, it's quite probable that someone, eventually, will implement such a filesystem for OpenSolaris.
[13:01:59] <whaq> I wonder if it's posible to install linux on BrandZ Zone and have it access  filesystems from it?
[13:02:34] <delewis> BrandZ isn't really Linux.
[13:02:37] <whaq> ah nevermind, most of those are kernel modules
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[13:02:49] <delewis> all BrandZ does is merely re-map Linux system calls to Solaris system calls.
[13:02:56] <whaq> maybe for FUSE?
[13:03:05] <lasseoe> I think someone's working on an ext3 for opensolaris
[13:03:59] <whaq> that's great
[13:04:27] <lasseoe> it's pointless ifyou ask me
[13:04:59] <onbot> commit by Sudheer Abdul-Salam:  6492942 panic hment_remove() mapping not found- hments need more state to correctly identify themselves
[13:06:35] <whaq> why is it pointless?
[13:07:53] <lasseoe> it'll only ever be used by homegeeks with dualboot systems
[13:08:21] <Stric> has that stopped people before?
[13:08:32] <lasseoe> nope
[13:08:57] <lasseoe> But I'm still entitled to have an opinion :)
[13:09:02] <whaq> it all still translate to market expansion for the solaris brand
[13:09:36] <whaq> think of it like a farm :) they may all be harvested when they grow well
[13:11:28] <delewis> it's not like Linux has usable UFS or ZFS support, either :-)
[13:13:06] <jteo> but they have ext4. and Slashdot.
[13:13:27] <Doc> and dont forget the gmail filesystem
[13:13:49] <delewis> and ext4 is largely "just another filesystem" from what I've read.
[13:14:02] <delewis> whereas ZFS has completely re-written filesystem design.
[13:14:28] <delewis> ext4 doesn't even bother to maintain backwards compatibility with ext3
[13:15:12] <delewis> which means all those users who gripe about Solaris not having ext3 support to mount their ext3 filesystems will have to copy their data elsewhere to migrate it to ext4 successfully.
[13:15:35] <delewis> and whaq, I'm not referring to you :-)
[13:17:57] * whaq whistles
[13:19:05] <delewis> I get the joy of doing yet another Oracle 10g install today :-(
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[13:19:10] <delewis> I think I've done too many for this lifetime
[13:19:21] <jteo> read the Economist while you're doing it.
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[13:20:14] <delewis> oh nonsense -- if I want a clearer picture of the world, I'll just read Slashdot
[13:20:15] * delewis chokes
[13:20:16] <delewis> :-)
[13:21:14] <delewis> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/20061216issuecovUS400.jpg
[13:21:15] <delewis> laugh.
[13:21:56] <Doc> i like time's person of the year more
[13:22:01] <Doc> i've already put it on my resume
[13:22:50] <delewis> they just ran out of people.
[13:23:07] <delewis> proof that we're deep in the genetic cesspool, now.
[13:23:27] <whaq> delewis, alternatively you can get second opinions from The Onion
[13:23:48] <delewis> whaq, I prefer fark.com :-)
[13:23:57] <delewis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_the_Year
[13:23:58] <delewis> fascinating
[13:24:06] <delewis> from Kenneth Star to Pope John Paul II
[13:24:19] <delewis> and Bill Clinton, that is.
[13:25:38] <delewis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Stalintime2.jpeg
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[13:25:49] <delewis> words cannot express that one.
[13:26:00] <whaq> to a Mr. A. Hitler himself
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[13:46:15] <cmihai> delewis: joy?
[13:46:16] <cmihai> That's now JOY
[13:46:42] <cmihai> Migrating Oracle 6&7 from vaxen and alpha OpenVMSes via NFS to HP-UX is a "joy"
[13:46:51] <cmihai> Been exporting 8GB for 3 daysn ow
[13:46:55] <cmihai> Still not done :D
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[14:04:13] <lloy0076> Heh! I just setup a passwordless key for ssh and can now start X applications in my BrandZ Linux at the press of a button.
[14:07:50] <cmihai> ssh -X?
[14:07:56] <lloy0076> Yes.
[14:08:01] <cmihai> Yeah, that's fun.
[14:08:06] <lloy0076> I can't get DISPLAYs to behave themselves.
[14:08:18] <cmihai> heh, tell me about it
[14:08:31] <lloy0076> BTW, the RFC for SSH states that there *is* a "no encryption algorithm" but I can't find out how to use it with OpenSSH.
[14:08:40] <lloy0076> I've read its man page and come up with: ssh -c none
[14:08:45] <lloy0076> But that says that's invalid.
[14:08:54] <cmihai> Hm.. ssh -c blowfish is fast enough here...
[14:08:56] <lloy0076> Obviously, in my case, I don't want the encryption.
[14:09:16] <Doc> sunssh doesnt support "none" encryption
[14:09:22] <lloy0076> Ok.
[14:09:41] <cmihai> Neither does OpenSSH iirc.
[14:09:49] <cmihai> Must be something ssh specific. As in ssh ssh.
[14:10:02] <Doc> i thought openssh did?
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[14:10:14] <lloy0076> Oh, for those who remember my musings re: AMD Dual Core vs Core 2 Duos. What I can say, is that my AMD Dual Core 3800+ is definitely faster than my work machine which is an Intel Pentium D945.
[14:10:31] <cmihai> Doc: SunSSH is based on OpenSSH.. and I don't think OpenSSH supports it either?!
[14:11:14] <cmihai> Try..
[14:11:15] <lloy0076> The "none" algorithm specifies that no encryption is to be done.Note that this method provides no confidentiality protection, and it is NOT RECOMMENDED.  [from http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4253.txt]
[14:11:18] <cmihai> ssh -1 -c none?
[14:11:33] <cmihai> lloy0076: yeah, that's the specs, not the implementation anyway.
[14:11:44] <lloy0076> cmihai: I know :)
[14:11:54] <lloy0076> cmihai: ssh -1 complains that none is invalid.
[14:12:00] <lloy0076> cmihai: It's not a biggy.
[14:12:01] <cmihai> lloy0076: yeaNo valid SSH1 cipher, using 3des instead.
[14:12:25] <cmihai> lloy0076: I have a Tru64 with ssh, and I think that supports none, but that's not OpenSSH :)
[14:12:30] <Doc> in a world of zones/brandz/etc having none does actually make some sense
[14:12:40] <cmihai> Hm... netcat?
[14:12:52] <Doc> there's no point encryption zone->zone or zone->global zone traffic in almost every situation
[14:13:11] <lloy0076> Doc: I'm trying to work out how I might diagnose why DISPLAY isn't being picked up like it should.
[14:13:29] <lloy0076> Doc: I've tried using xauth and xhost but it always behaves as though the program can't even see the DISPLAY.
[14:13:30] <cmihai> Eiter go with full X via tcp or redirect apps via something else then ssh ;\
[14:13:31] <asyd> the none algorithm must be enabled at ./configure
[14:13:39] <Doc> (the possability of an injection attack would be the only possible exception - and even then i dont know if solaris would accept a packet to/from itself on the wire)
[14:17:01] <lloy0076> Anyone know when BrandZ LX will support a 2.6 series kernel?
[14:18:50] <cmihai> Probably... check the mailing lists?
[14:19:27] <lloy0076> heh
[14:19:49] <lloy0076> I'm trying to work out how to run Centos 4.4 (latest) but at the moment, from what I can tell, 2.6.X series kernels don't work.
[14:19:51] <lloy0076> I could be wrong.
[14:20:08] <cmihai> M.. yeah, iirc 3.x CentOS does work
[14:20:12] <cmihai> and that uses 2.4
[14:20:57] <lloy0076> CentOS is one of the supported ones. I use it a lot now.
[14:21:10] <lloy0076> Especially at work. There are a few things that my Solaris install just won't play ball with.
[14:21:26] <lloy0076> Of all the perverted things I do, I actually browse the web via a squid proxy running in my Centos container.
[14:22:07] <lloy0076> For some reason I can't get my OpenSolaris to ignore the DHCP server's broken configuration.
[14:26:00] * lloy0076 ponders --- openssh is open source, consequently implementing a nothing cipher is possible. And given that nothing ciphers do NOTHING it should be doubly possible and slightly more easy.
[14:27:23] <dvorak> there used to be a none cipher
[14:27:30] <dvorak> last I looked it was still there, but commented out
[14:27:34] <dvorak> might still be there
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[14:31:35] <lloy0076> kewl
[14:32:22] <lloy0076> As we all know, I have an AMD64 based system. I just downloaded Sun's AMD64 linux JRE but both the RPM and .bin segfaulted. I then downloaded a i586 version and it didn't segfault.
[14:32:46] <lloy0076> Do BrandZ LX's, ummm, hide the underlying architecture *a lot*?
[14:33:11] * lloy0076 knows that question is probably wrongly worded but can't think of how to ask it...
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[14:44:02] <jteo> lloy0076: it's just user space emulation.
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[15:29:11] <delewis> lloy0076, have you tried analyzing the core dump?
[15:29:52] <lloy0076> I understand as far as library tracing and stack tracing...
[15:30:02] <lloy0076> Analysing core dumps (in Linux or Solaris) though confuses me.
[15:31:58] <delewis> what was the signal caught, anyway?
[15:32:48] <delewis> just SIGSEGV?
[15:33:40] <lloy0076> install.sfx.4961: Cannot read install.sfx.4961
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[15:33:42] <lloy0076> ./jre-6-linux-amd64.bin: line 304:  4971 Segmentation fault      ./$outname
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[15:37:28] <lloy0076> *eep* The Jboss Console suddenly decided to work.
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[15:56:54] <kimc> i'm trying to create a whole-root zone on a zfs mount
[15:57:52] <jamesd> kimc, http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/11/equalzing-full-zones-shared-zones.html
[15:58:47] <kimc> jamesd: thats great, thanks
[15:59:06] <jamesd> yw
[15:59:52] <kimc> i can omit the 'compression' right ?
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[16:13:48] <kimc> root# time zoneadm -z email-zone install
[16:14:04] <kimc> Copying <126877> files to the zone.
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[16:15:13] <kimc> hmm.. it took ~48 minutes for jamesd's machine to copy 154355 files to the zone
[16:15:41] <kimc> looks like i've got some time to go
[16:16:23] <kimc> maybe not so much.. Preparing to initialize <1023> packages on the zone.
[16:16:37] <kimc> now 20% complete
[16:16:59] <kimc> 40%
[16:17:34] <kimc> 60%
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[16:18:29] <kimc> 80%
[16:19:31] <cmihai> Well, CD/DVD rw tool from nautilus is borken :)
[16:20:05] <kimc> Zone <email-zone> is initialized.
[16:20:05] <kimc> Installation of <1> packages was skipped.
[16:20:05] <kimc> The file </zone_roots/zfszone1/root/var/sadm/system/logs/install_log> contains a log of the zone installation.
[16:20:05] <kimc> 62.17u 91.02s 10:24.84 24.5%
[16:20:19] <kimc> wonder why 1 package was skipped ?
[16:20:35] <kimc> ehh maybe look in the log file ?
[16:22:33] <kimc> many more packages than 1 were not installed due to their being '..registered to be installed in the
[16:22:33] <kimc> global zone only
[16:26:01] <kimc> checking the space sued for the newly created whole-root zone
[16:26:04] <kimc> root# zfs list -r zone_roots/zfszone1
[16:26:04] <kimc> NAME                  USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
[16:26:04] <kimc> zone_roots/zfszone1  3.03G   239G  3.03G  /zone_roots/zfszone1
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[16:33:58] <bougie> hello :)
[16:37:26] <kimc> hello
[16:37:55] <kimc> 3.03G for a whole-root zone
[16:39:53] <kimc> wonder if a CDE terminal emulator would work better on a local Gnome terminal than a vt-100
[16:40:10] <kimc> a vt-100 has some problems editing with vi
[16:40:35] <AbeFroman> gnome terminal is the devil
[16:40:36] <kimc> could try a Heathkit ;)
[16:41:11] <kimc> what happens if you choose 14) Other ?
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[16:41:37] <kimc> guess I'll go with a DEC VT-100
[16:42:19] <aliquis> Solaris Internals and Solaris Performance and Tools are much better books than Sun Certified System Administrator for Solaris 10: Study guide and Solaris 10 System Administrator (Exam Cram 2)?
[16:45:22] <loke__> aliquis: they are very good books
[16:45:33] <loke__> study guide? I wouldn't know... certifications sucks anyway
[16:46:14] <aliquis> ok, so the first ones are better?
[16:46:30] <aliquis> Even if I'm very new to Solaris the intermediate course seems very much like a very basic unix course looking from content
[16:46:54] <kimc> anyone have any thoughts on this message, returned after logging into the newly created zone:
[16:46:57] <kimc> Dec 21 10:42:06 svc.startd[16981]: svc:/system/dbus:default: Method "/lib/svc/method/svc-dbus start" failed with exit status 95.
[16:46:57] <kimc> Dec 21 10:42:06 svc.startd[16981]: system/dbus:default failed fatally: transitioned to maintenance (see 'svcs -xv' for details)
[16:46:57] <aliquis> the advanced one contains some stuff I don't know how to do but the price is scary =P
[16:47:06] <aliquis> (I mean the ones on suns webpage then, not the books)
[16:47:28] <aliquis> loke__: Will the internals one cover basic usage aswell?
[16:47:46] <loke__> aliquis: basic usage of what? Solaris?
[16:47:49] <loke__> aliquis: No
[16:47:50] <aliquis> yes
[16:48:01] <loke__> aliquis: It assumes that you are skilled with Solaris, and also a good C developer
[16:49:11] <phus> aliquis, why would you think an internals book would cover basic usage?
[16:49:24] <asyd> by chance, anyone ever made kerberos+x509 ?
[16:49:47] <loke__> If you can handle the internals book, you can probably ace the sysadmin test blindfolded
[16:50:32] <aliquis> k
[16:50:41] <alanc> but the kernel internals book won't teach you about things like configuring printer queues that would be on the sysadmin test
[16:51:13] <aliquis> alanc: Any idea which one of the later two books are the better one then?
[16:51:23] <aliquis> or maybe it doesn't matter that much
[16:51:40] <alanc> haven't seen them yet myself
[16:51:41] <jamesd> the performance tuning book is better for a sysadmin
[16:51:45] <loke__> alanc: true... I've read the Internals book (I also took the training 5+ years ago)
[16:51:50] <loke__> alanc: however
[16:52:08] <jamesd> the other book is good for the programmer, kernel hacker,  driver writer
[16:52:11] <loke__> alanc: I'm not sure I'd be able to set up a printer without googling... But. What the hell, I hate... No... I loathe printers
[16:52:30] <AbeFroman> ugh printers.
[16:52:35] <alanc> I'd be going to docs.sun.com myself, but I'm not an admin
[16:52:50] <loke__> For example, I just cannot get my printer at home to print from my wife's windows laptop. The macs handle it though
[16:52:50] <AbeFroman> beware the default a2ps filter
[16:52:55] <loke__> damn I hate printers
[16:52:55] <alanc> and while I may be certifiable, I'm not certified
[16:53:18] <loke__> alanc: most people who are really good, don't care much for certifications
[16:54:18] <alanc> main use I've seen for certifications is getting resumes past HR screeners who don't know what to really look for and just use certifications as a checklist
[16:54:49] <aliquis> alanc: To me looking something up online and reading it in electronic form is ok but to read something to just get a look on it all I'd rather do on paper (I'd rather do both on paper actually, but electronicaly is faster). I would hate to read something like 1000+ pages on screen.
[16:54:50] <alanc> fortunately, I've never had to deal with that, and got jobs via referralls who submitted my resume directly and bypassed the HR screeners
[16:54:55] <loke__> alanc: hmm... those are low-level jobs then?
[16:55:06] <loke__> alanc: exactly. you get high-level jobs
[16:55:36] <jteo> alanc: how fortunate. :)
[16:55:41] <alanc> I've only had a very small number of jobs too - been in the current one for 7 years
[16:56:29] <loke__> alanc: same here... Let's see... I've worked in the business for 12 years, and I've had 4 jobs, of which the latest I've been at for one year so far
[16:56:41] <loke__> (not counting a 9-month gig with a startup that tanked)
[16:57:02] <alanc> aliquis: certainly - for a one time reference like setting up a single printer, online docs are okay, but I've still got plenty of printed reference books for things I need to do a lot
[16:57:12] <jteo> "I'd be willing to donate money for a real bug database." ;)
[16:57:36] <loke__> jteo: The Sun bug database isn't that bad. It's just the publically visible interface to it that is bad
[16:57:44] <loke__> Internally, it's quite OK
[16:58:03] <jteo> loke__: yes, it is quite nice internally.
[16:58:05] <jteo> :)
[16:58:33] <loke__> jteo: Unless they fucked it up lately :-)  It's been 5+ years since I quit Sun
[16:58:53] <jteo> loke__: it was fine the last time i used it. (1+ year ago)
[16:59:56] <loke__> jteo: Back in my time they didn't have a web interface for it. Only the Motif bugtraq application... It was quite decent though
[17:00:07] <loke__> and they had the web search though. quite nice
[17:00:48] <jteo> loke__: ah. i only ever used the web search.
[17:01:03] <loke__> jteo: You never filed, or updated bugs?
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[17:02:33] <loke__> OK... I'm going crazy... What is bunker saying in his quit message? I tried to run it through a translator but nothing came out
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[17:05:48] <alanc> the internal interface is now a Java application for editing, with web interfaces for queries as well
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[17:06:09] <alanc> makes it easier to run at home without having to remote display
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[17:07:00] <jteo> alanc: :) I'm come to the conclusion that HR departments exist to *not* hire people.
[17:07:04] <jteo> *I've
[17:07:21] <jbk> that sounds about right
[17:08:35] <dunc> bunker's nick just scares me coz i work in a bunker
[17:10:10] <Vanuatoo> Is staroffice 8 based on oo2.0?
[17:10:38] <Vanuatoo> Now when 2.1 Will there staroffice 8.1? Or Staroffice product update 1
[17:11:27] <alanc> I think SO8 is based on OO2.0 - dunno about updates
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[17:17:30] <klopapier> hey hi
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[17:20:39] <klopapier> hi
[17:20:43] <klopapier> anybody there?
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[17:20:59] <cmihai> No, we're all here.
[17:21:00] <klopapier> can anybody hook me up?
[17:21:06] <klopapier> LOL
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[17:21:17] <anybudy> someone asked about me?
[17:21:18] <cmihai> "hook you up"? Are you like looking for drugs or something?
[17:21:21] <klopapier> xDDD
[17:21:25] <cmihai> anybudy: no.
[17:21:40] <cmihai> :))
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[17:21:50] <cmihai> anybudy: anybody taken? :P
[17:22:27] <cmihai> Well, anyway, hook him up to a car battery or something :)
[17:22:28] <klopapier> i've just installed nexenta and would need some help to install some program and get this thing workin
[17:22:40] <cmihai> This isn't about Nexenta :P
[17:22:43] <klopapier> and finally get rid of win
[17:23:16] <anybudy>  klopapier apt-get update ; apt-get install  software_package_of_your_choice
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[17:23:37] <cmihai> Bloody mind readers :)
[17:23:46] <klopapier> hmm
[17:23:47] <klopapier> ok
[17:23:49] <klopapier> let me try
[17:24:12] <klopapier> and... where can i get programs to download
[17:24:23] <klopapier> some kinda repositories like linux
[17:24:24] <klopapier> ?
[17:24:28] <klopapier> or how does this work
[17:25:31] <jamesd> apt-cache search  "something to search on so you don't get 5,000 packages"
[17:26:34] <whaq> does anyone know what this mean..
[17:26:36] <whaq> Dec 21 23:14:40 solaris0 genunix: [ID 780480 kern.notice] value 0xffffffffc00cdde0 does not fit
[17:26:37] <whaq> Dec 21 23:14:40 solaris0 genunix: [ID 399259 kern.notice] do_relocations: /usr/kernel/fs/amd64/ext2fs do_relocate failed
[17:26:37] <whaq> Dec 21 23:14:40 solaris0 genunix: [ID 603676 kern.notice] ext2fs error doing relocations
[17:28:37] <alanc> klopapier: blastwave.org
[17:29:10] <jamesd> alanc why would a nexenta user want blastwave.org?
[17:29:29] <alanc> ah, I didn't scroll back far enough to see nexenta
[17:29:34] <alanc> forget that then
[17:29:52] <jamesd> klopapier, nexenta includes about 5000 opensource packages ported to it.
[17:30:07] <klopapier> ok
[17:30:16] <jamesd> apt-cache search kde
[17:30:32] <klopapier> just about an hour for now handling with this stuff
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[17:31:37] <klopapier> ahm...
[17:31:58] <klopapier> i got this from a spech we got at university form a guy workin at sun
[17:32:10] <klopapier> and it comes with an "i learn" dvd
[17:32:23] <klopapier> how to do some steps for the installation
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[17:32:49] <klopapier> i had windows running
[17:33:06] <klopapier> and it said to create a linux-swap paritition
[17:33:29] <klopapier> partition magic didn't work.... tutorial said to use "qt_parted"
[17:33:34] <klopapier> did so...
[17:33:42] <klopapier> made the partition and installed
[17:33:58] <klopapier> but now i don't see windows in the grup
[17:34:00] <klopapier> grub
[17:34:03] <klopapier> ...
[17:35:04] <klopapier> how do i know if its gone or still there..?
[17:39:10] <edp> if you told it to automatically partiion your disk then recent versions of nexenta will delete everything
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[17:39:18] <jteo> uh-oh.
[17:39:55] <edp> it gives two obvious warnings of this behavior (at least in alpha6) before doing anything
[17:40:53] <edp> if you did a manual partition and kept the windows partition then you probably just need to add the windows line back into the menu.lst file for grub
[17:41:18] <klopapier> ok
[17:41:34] <klopapier> i did automatically
[17:41:45] <klopapier> so windows should be gone
[17:41:50] <klopapier> nom problem with that
[17:42:03] <klopapier> since i got all my stuff on another hd
[17:42:12] <klopapier> it's fat32
[17:42:17] <klopapier> how do i mount it
[17:42:18] <klopapier> =?
[17:44:49] <edp> you could look at the mount command for starters
[17:49:25] <klopapier> ??
[17:55:09] <klopapier> i think i got ir
[17:55:11] <klopapier> it
[17:55:26] <klopapier> correct me if i'm wrong please
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[17:56:23] <klopapier> # mount -F pcfs /dev/dsk/c1d0p0:d /mnt
[17:56:36] <klopapier> its a secondary master hd
[17:56:43] <klopapier> is that right?
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[18:05:53] <noyb> I think that's close enuf...  try it and see.  no harm in that.
[18:06:42] <klopapier> the tutorial says "pcfs" is the filesystem... it was fat32... what should i type?
[18:06:57] <klopapier> pcfs stands for fat32
[18:07:00] <klopapier> ?
[18:07:06] <noyb> yeah
[18:07:09] <klopapier> ok
[18:07:14] <noyb> did you try it?
[18:07:20] <klopapier> hold on
[18:09:45] <klopapier> nothin happend i think
[18:10:00] <klopapier> where shoul the mounted drive appear?
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[18:14:27] <noyb> on /mnt as you specified.
[18:14:44] <noyb> cd /mnt; ls
[18:15:50] <klopapier> didn't work
[18:15:52] <klopapier> is empty
[18:16:17] <noyb> did you get any errors when you ran the mount cmd?
[18:17:40] <klopapier> i think now i got it
[18:17:45] <klopapier> but it's still empty
[18:17:50] <klopapier> this time i got a message
[18:18:05] <klopapier> "mount: /dev/dsk/c1d0p0:d is already mounted or /mnt is busy
[18:18:05] <klopapier> "
[18:18:28] <noyb> no, you're still in that directory probably
[18:18:30] <jamesd> because you are in /mnt you can't mount a filesystem there.
[18:18:35] <noyb> pwd
[18:18:41] <noyb> should show /mnt
[18:19:03] <noyb> cd /
[18:19:25] <noyb> run:  df -k
[18:19:52] <noyb> does it show /mnt  in the output?
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[18:21:59] <klopapier> was still in the directory
[18:22:02] <klopapier> got out
[18:22:04] <klopapier> tried again
[18:22:09] <klopapier> still nothin
[18:22:22] <noyb> no err from the mount cmd?
[18:22:53] <klopapier> mount: no such file or directory
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[18:24:11] <noyb> ok, that's good.  you specified the partition incorrectly.
[18:24:33] <noyb> we know that /mnt exists.  you were in it.  :)
[18:24:34] <klopapier> hmm
[18:24:53] <klopapier> oh wait
[18:24:58] <klopapier> yeah
[18:25:05] <klopapier> doh!!
[18:25:11] <klopapier> xDD
[18:25:21] <klopapier> tryin to mount a cd-rom
[18:25:26] <kimc> creating a ZFS whole-root zone on this machine rendered it unbootable
[18:25:51] <kimc> this on b53
[18:26:45] <jteo> you gave the pool a whole disk?
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[18:27:15] <kimc> not a whole disk, a whole slice
[18:27:43] <jteo> hmm.
[18:27:58] <kimc> lets try 'failsafe' more
[18:27:59] <kimc> mode
[18:28:35] <Darwin> hi
[18:28:45] <kimc> ok booted in 'failsafe' but not sure where to go from here
[18:29:24] <kimc> mount rw on '/a' -not sure what that means
[18:30:11] <kimc> pwd returns /tmp/root
[18:30:52] <kimc> looks like if I wanted to save this I'd have to unconfigure the zone
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[18:31:25] <kimc> seems there is little documentation on that
[18:32:54] <kimc> how do you tell which things work on Opensolaris and which things might work ;) ?
[18:33:54] <noyb> full fcs quality all the time...   it's all supposed to work if it's in there.   :)
[18:33:55] <kimc> I followed the documemntation for creating a whole-root zone on a ZFS pool.. everything looks good, now try rebooting it
[18:34:16] <kimc> nope..
[18:34:18] <noyb> if it doesn't work, it's a bug.
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[18:34:32] <nethenson> hello
[18:34:40] <kimc> yeh right, I'll go file a bug report. On which part ?
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[18:35:11] <kimc> ZFS ? Zones ? Whole-root Zones ?
[18:35:16] <noyb> I don't know.  maybe specify which procedure you followed, and the result: no boot.
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[18:35:24] <kimc> SXCR B53
[18:35:27] <klopapier> noyb...
[18:35:32] <klopapier> i think now the command is right
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[18:35:47] <klopapier> but i got this error :"/dev/dsk/c0d1p0:d is not a DOS filesystem."
[18:35:52] <kimc> yes: ...the result was: no boot
[18:35:58] <klopapier> though it should be
[18:36:46] <noyb> there's a subtle difference sometimes between "should" and "is not"   :)
[18:36:59] <klopapier> haha..
[18:37:02] <klopapier> ok
[18:37:13] <klopapier> c0 is the primary controler
[18:37:22] <klopapier> 1st IDE channel, right?
[18:37:55] <klopapier> primary IDE channel
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[18:40:05] <nethenson> I have some experience with Linux, but none with Solaris. Is opensolaris for a newcomer like me? (Is it well documented, and such things)?
[18:40:08] <noyb> klopapier: do 'df -k' and see how other things are mounted...
[18:41:35] <noyb> nethenson: yes, it's for everyone.  well documented, and such.   enjoy the ride.
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[18:42:27] <nethenson> noyb: which one would be better for me?  Opensolaris or the solaris that Sun sends via postal mail?
[18:42:59] <cmihai> Quick question: Solaris svn_54, 4GB RAM, only sees 3.
[18:43:00] <noyb> well, I think it depends on you.
[18:43:01] <cmihai> Why?
[18:43:10] <cmihai> Something about some bug in some chipsets or what
[18:43:18] <noyb> nethenson: well, I think it depends on you.
[18:44:30] <noyb> I prefer messing with opensolaris (actually solaris express) because we get all of the great new features right now.   :)
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[18:44:50] <cmihai> Memory size: 3327 Megabytes
[18:44:51] <cmihai> WTF
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[18:45:24] <noyb> afk
[18:45:29] <cmihai> Memory: 3326M :(
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[18:56:59] <stevel> cmihai: probably the agp hole
[18:57:12] <stevel> agp aperture, rather
[18:57:34] <stevel> it's a bios limitation, has nothing to do with solaris
[18:57:53] <aliquis> cmihai: It depends on your chipset
[18:58:02] <aliquis> and architecture/cpu
[18:58:25] <aliquis> even with 64 bit x86 cpus and say intel 945 chipset you only get 3.2GB ram
[18:58:28] <stevel> i think it's used for memory mapping IO (for PCI/AGP devices) or something
[18:58:43] <aliquis> because the it can address 4GB but around 800MB is used for memory mapped IO
[18:59:07] <aliquis> I think i965 might not have that limit, 975 doesn't for sure
[18:59:17] <aliquis> but I think it can still only handle 8GB or whatever
[18:59:41] <aliquis> not that you will put more than 4*2GB ddr2 memory modules on your mobo anyway
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[19:04:30] <whaq> how do you check memory size in Solaris?
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[19:05:32] <alanc>  prtconf | head will print system RAM
[19:05:49] <whaq> thanks
[19:06:20] <whaq> what about memory usage?
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[19:10:53] <stevel> whaq: vmstat
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[19:12:19] <boro> hello
[19:12:51] <boro> is it at all possible to limit/shape bandwidth with ipqosconf.... ?
[19:17:57] <boro> according to my best knowledge so far it can just mark packets to be processes by routers
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[19:22:50] <whaq> thanks
[19:23:00] <onbot> commit by James Anderson:  6464647 OPL needs to reprogram dTLB for large kernel pages
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[20:06:04] <waswas> hmm,  I think I may be confused about zfs list and snapshots.  lets say i have a filesystem with 100gb on it,  I  "zfs snapshot filesystem@test" and then delete 50 gb of files off of the filesystem,  shouldn't the referenced data show 50gb on filesystem@test now?
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[20:11:47] <rpaulo> hi
[20:12:27] <waswas> where filesystem@test is the only snapshot created -- My assumption is that because the live fs now only refs 50gb of data, the snapshot must now ref the other 50gb  -- but zfs list only shows 59mb refed by filesystem@test.
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[20:13:22] <stevel> wow, i love mercurial queues
[20:13:28] <richlowe> no you don't.
[20:13:59] <stevel> ah. tell me how i really feel
[20:14:01] <stevel> ;-)
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[20:18:06] <richlowe> but it's all so complex, and not at all like wx, and the world will end!
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[20:18:09] <richlowe> or something.
[20:19:20] <kupfer> Sounds like Rich is volunteering to help people out if they mess things up using mq. ;-)
[20:20:05] <richlowe> kupfer: Actually, my hope for things would be being able to use it if you want, or not use it if you want. (I think I said that before?)
[20:20:16] <richlowe> kupfer: possibly using it as implementation does not mean using it as interface...
[20:21:00] <kupfer> yeah, a reasonably foolproof interface would make me a lot less nervous.
[20:21:23] <kupfer> And I agree, it would be good if we don't do something to prevent people from using mq.
[20:21:40] <kupfer> sorry about the double negatives.
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[20:35:34] <waswas> anyone using zfs snapshots extensively?
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[20:36:51] <klopapier> hi there again
[20:37:12] <klopapier> i installed a few hours ago solaris for the first time
[20:37:19] <klopapier> but my sound doesont work
[20:37:30] <klopapier> how do i fix that
[20:38:02] <klopapier> ?
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[20:46:52] <klopapier> someone there who could help me?
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[20:50:40] <kupfer> klopapier: the first question is whether there's a driver for your sound card.  Unfortunately, I can't really help you figure that out.
[20:51:09] <kupfer> I do know that there were some recent sound driver fixes.
[20:51:18] <kupfer> Though I can't remember which driver at the moment...
[20:52:30] <onbot> commit by jf137018:  6482650 psradm cannot be used to disable NIU interrupts on huron; 6505834 NIU nexus driver should not enable HV VPCI APIs
[20:52:30] <onbot> commit by Michael Corcoran:  6506485 possible recursive panic in page_unlock_capture
[20:52:37] <klopapier> hmm
[20:52:38] <klopapier> well
[20:52:51] <klopapier> maybe it'll help thant its very common
[20:53:02] <klopapier> onboard soundcard
[20:53:18] <klopapier> uses Realtek AC97 driver on windows
[20:54:38] <AbeFroman> oss?
[20:54:41] <stevel> i think that's the audio810 driver
[20:54:51] <stevel> for the intel motherboards
[20:55:00] <stevel> you could also try juergen keil's audio drivers:
[20:55:03] <stevel> http://www.tools.de/solaris/audio/
[20:55:15] <stevel> he's got a bunch of on-board ac97 drivers depending on what your motherboard chipset is
[20:55:32] <klopapier> i'll see
[20:55:50] <klopapier> i'm new on solaris so... i'll be asking on
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[21:03:17] <klopapier> damn
[21:03:38] <klopapier> i got a VIA chipset and none of it's links are workin
[21:06:18] <klopapier> any suggestions
[21:06:31] <klopapier> how to find out whats the problem
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[21:16:04] <klopapier> anybody there?
[21:17:41] <jsubl2> hello
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[21:18:55] <klopapier> hmm
[21:19:01] <klopapier> i think i found sumthin
[21:19:46] <jsubl2> i found beta audio drivers for my new mobo
[21:32:31] <onbot> commit by Matthew Ahrens:  6505625 large regression with zfs in snv_53
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[21:33:22] <mike-e> someone told me nexenta is dead, is this true?
[21:36:04] <edp> mike-e, their website makes no mention of that
[21:36:16] <mike-e> yeah i noticed
[21:36:35] <mike-e> this came from someone on another irc network, might be just heresay
[21:37:08] <jbk> causing trouble? :)
[21:37:20] <mike-e> sup brotha
[21:37:49] <mike-e> jbk you know if i need all of these disks for solaris express?
[21:37:58] <mike-e> 1-6
[21:38:20] <jbk> probably the best bet
[21:38:30] <jbk> no dvd drive?
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[21:39:53] <jbk> well i'm out for the day.. i get to point out where someone needs to plug in two cables (which of course is 30mins in the opposite direction of my house), then go home
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[21:40:28] <g4lt-mordant> they're not dead, just living-impaired
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[21:40:38] <kFuQ> qdk:  can 'setprop start/exec = astring:=""' be specified more than once in a smf service
[21:40:57] <kFuQ> s/qdk/q/g
[21:41:04] <gisburn> Happy Tentacle Day everyone!
[21:41:23] <AbeFroman> hooray!
[21:43:11] <gisburn> Who is coming to Berlin next year ?
[21:43:29] * gisburn looks at stevel...
[21:44:09] * gisburn looks at alanc
[21:44:34] <gisburn> ;-(
[21:44:47] <gisburn> That conference will be dull and boring if noone comes... ;-(
[21:45:26] <hile_> Are you going to be at said conference?
[21:45:48] <gisburn> hile_: likely yes, but unfortunately without a komodo dragon
[21:46:09] <gisburn> hile_: the buffet may not be suited for such a beast
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[22:08:26] <kimc> reinstalling Opensolaris for the umteenth time
[22:08:40] <mike-e> why?
[22:09:35] <kimc> most recently I configured a ZFS-based zone and everthing was fine util I tried to reboot the machine -then it wouldn't boot
[22:10:00] <kimc> so now I'm trying again
[22:10:13] <quasi> kimc: how not boot - where does it fail?
[22:10:38] <kimc> segfaulting after blue loader screen
[22:10:57] <kimc> after the blue boot chooser screen
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[22:11:40] <quasi> you must be doing something very, very odd
[22:11:41] <kimc> i left a 250 GB slice unused on the disk for the ZFS pool
[22:12:13] <kimc> maybe i chose the wrong slice
[22:12:17] <pikapika> hello
[22:12:28] <quasi> you could try booting -kv and see if you can find what makes it explode
[22:13:02] <kimc> i could boot into the failsafe mode
[22:13:38] <quasi> but that's not the same
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[22:13:57] <kimc> oh its not ?
[22:14:55] <kimc> wish you were here earlier
[22:23:20] <hile_> you're keeping data on your rootmirrors?
[22:23:47] <kimc> now the b54 installer is running ..nothing to do for a few minutes
[22:25:54] <kimc> i just learned that al shugart died on the 12th
[22:31:50] <klopapier> hey
[22:31:56] <klopapier> can somebody help me
[22:31:57] <klopapier> ?
[22:31:58] <gisburn> !seen kupfer
[22:31:59] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!i=kupfer@nat/sun/x-1321d2c8f47a88d1) was last seen in #opensolaris on Thu 21 Dec 2006 19:56 GMT, saying 'Though I can't remember which driver at the moment...'.
[22:32:12] <klopapier> with installing the audio driver
[22:32:21] <klopapier> i've unzipped it
[22:32:35] <klopapier> but i get an error when tryin to unpack
[22:33:23] <klopapier> who can hook me up with this
[22:33:30] <klopapier> ?
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[22:38:03] <kimc> sounds like the file is corrupted
[22:39:21] <kimc> wish sun would hook me up with the Nvidia MCP-5 chipset audio driver
[22:39:28] <cmihai> kimc: the Seagate guy?
[22:39:35] <kimc> yes thats the guy
[22:39:42] <cmihai> Hm.. too bad.
[22:39:52] <kimc> yes its really a shame
[22:41:28] <kimc> when he ran the company he tended to be uplifting to others
[22:43:06] <kimc> there are many managers of companies who could learn something from Al Shugart
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[22:44:48] <cmihai> It's ood though...
[22:45:18] <cmihai> With famous names in the computer industry... you don't really expect them to die.
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[22:45:35] <cmihai> I mean, the whole idustry isn't much older then say 50 years.
[22:45:39] <alanc> someday you may be reading Bill Gates obit
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[22:46:06] <cmihai> alanc: the bastard will probably find some way to freeze himself or something :P
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[22:46:12] <alanc> but there have been plenty of pioneers already passed on, like Hewlett & Packard
[22:46:41] <kimc> for sure
[22:47:22] <cmihai> Richard Stevens...
[22:47:27] <alanc> I remember being surprised when stevens died
[22:47:41] <cmihai> Yeah
[22:49:17] <alanc> had just met him a few months earlier at Usenix
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[22:49:59] <cmihai> Yeah, and it's really too bad. His books were great
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[22:51:45] <kimc> stevens' ultimate chocolate chip cookie recipe: http://www.kohala.com/start/recipes/ultimatecookie.html
[22:52:08] <tonu> as usually, starfire domain crashed later when I made "zpool replace". This time I got some dump too. Anyone from Solaris developers interested?
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[22:52:56] <kimc> ugh.. an ugly zfs crash..
[22:53:05] <cmihai> mm :)
[22:54:47] <tonu> http://no.spam.ee/~tonu/sparc/zfserror.txt
[22:55:11] <tonu> I do not know anything more about except that it always happens when replace is going on
[22:55:40] <tonu> this is NOT production system, so I can make access for debugging and such
[22:55:59] <kimc> i hope someone takes you up on the offer
[22:56:20] <tonu> just not sure if anyone right person is listening :)
[22:56:36] <tonu> system is e10k, believed to be fully patched
[22:57:01] <kimc> real [big] sun hardware too..
[22:57:38] <cmihai> It's times like theese that make me wanna be a Solaris kernel hacker
[22:57:44] <cmihai> But me.. I'm just a wannabe :P
[22:57:47] <tonu> I heat my home a bit more clever way just burning power :P
[22:58:00] <cmihai> Oh, I use teh VAX
[22:58:13] <cmihai> Washer, drier, heater, server.
[22:58:16] <cmihai> All rolled into one :)
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[22:58:39] <tonu> :)
[23:00:25] <stevel> tonu: sounds like 6466489
[23:00:31] <stevel> stack trace matches up too
[23:00:49] <tonu> stevel?
[23:00:53] <stevel> except that's a way old bug
[23:01:06] <stevel> actually no it's not
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[23:01:15] <stevel> it's recent
[23:01:16] <tonu> maybe I missed something. Can you point me to it?
[23:01:22] <stevel> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6466489
[23:01:46] * Tpenta yawns
[23:01:49] <edp> are USB hard drives supposed to show up as normal disks in /dev/dsk?
[23:01:56] <stevel> edp: yeah
[23:02:02] <tonu> btw there is no USB
[23:02:15] <stevel> tonu: right, i'm just looking at the panic & stack trace
[23:02:37] <edp> is there anything that can be done to get it there if it's not showing up?
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[23:02:56] <stevel> both yours and 6466489 come through taskq_thread+1a4->zio_vdev_io_assess+178->zio_done+284
[23:02:59] <edp> dmesg indicates that the drive is connected but I can't seem to do anything with it
[23:03:28] <stevel> edp: you don't see any entries for it in /dev/dsk? what does 'iostat -En' report?
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[23:05:45] <tonu> stevel: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=70084
[23:05:51] <tonu> maybe same?
[23:06:36] <stevel> tonu: yup, the same
[23:07:28] <tonu> and after crash now he starts resilver from zero again?
[23:07:37] <tonu> at least progressmeter is in beginning
[23:07:59] <edp> stevel, actually they are showing up, i was confusing the devices with the cdrom
[23:08:02] <tonu> and weird that I never get it without zpool replace
[23:08:57] <edp> is it normal that the disk will show up with 'iostat -En' but not 'format'?
[23:09:04] <stevel> edp: try format -e
[23:09:47] <edp> stevel, same thing, it just shows the system disk but not the USB disk
[23:10:17] <stevel> rmformat?
[23:12:25] <edp> it shows up with rmformat
[23:13:47] <edp> this is with nexenta though i'd think the hardware recognition would be similar with normal solaris
[23:17:59] <edp> iostat -En indicates 3 illegal requests to the device as well which make the part of the problem
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[23:21:08] <Tpenta> alanc around?
[23:21:30] <gisburn> Tpenta: AFAIAK he died in front of the keyboard days ago.
[23:21:45] <gisburn> s/AFAIAK/AFAIK/
[23:21:51] <Tpenta> just commented on http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/military_usage_of_foss
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[23:21:59] <dwc-> hey gisburn, did you see the news about the pregnant komodo dragon?
[23:22:00] <alanc> Tpenta: yes
[23:22:16] <cmihai> What?!
[23:22:27] <cmihai> That's not erm.. possible.. I think. They're reptiles, they lay eggs.
[23:22:28] <Tpenta> just dropped a comment on your foss+military blog
[23:22:37] <hspaans> is webmaster at opensolaris dot org in the house?
[23:22:42] <alanc> I see that
[23:22:56] <dwc-> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/12/20/uk.komodo.reut/index.html
[23:22:57] <stevel> hspaans: what's wrong?
[23:22:57] <Tpenta> even managed to find a linus quote on why it would be a bad idea (from the recent fracas)
[23:23:06] <gisburn> dwc-: yes
[23:23:13] <hspaans> stevel: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa?forumID=39 <-- java makes a booboo
[23:23:31] <hspaans> at least for me
[23:23:33] <Tpenta> you also make fine points alanc
[23:23:42] <stevel> fark
[23:23:43] <stevel> that sucks
[23:23:44] <alanc> other blogs pointed out to him that Debian bans restriction-of-use clauses as being non-open-source and that if you allowed that, then you could get into "This is open source only if you agree with my politics" type scenarios
[23:23:51] <richlowe> seems to work here.
[23:23:58] <richlowe> oh, no it doesn't.
[23:24:03] <stevel> i see a java exception over here
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[23:24:07] <Tpenta> alanc: exactly
[23:24:12] <stevel> sigh
[23:24:18] <hspaans> stevel: thats good ;-)
[23:24:19] <stevel> had to happen the day derek goes on vacation
[23:24:28] <alanc> I don't see an exception, but the footer is in the "From" column
[23:24:31] <dwc-> NPE!
[23:24:32] <richlowe> stevel: I Iget half of the page, then trash.
[23:24:37] <richlowe> if I look in links, I see the exception, too.
[23:24:52] <dwc-> I get half a page and an NPE
[23:25:01] <onbot> commit by Ian Skreen:  FWARC 2006/201 sun4v error handling update; 6472072 Solaris must correctly message panic by user request
[23:25:02] <cmihai> dwc-: that's just plain odd.
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[23:25:19] <dwc-> 5th thread down, "build issues while jhautobuilding"
[23:25:24] <gisburn> dwc-: the BBC link crashed by browser
[23:25:33] <gisburn> dwc-: so far this is not suprising
[23:25:36] <richlowe> dwc-: Yeah, I see the footer in there.
[23:25:44] <gisburn> dwc-: except that it happes for a larger lizard now
[23:25:59] <dwc-> the last post is by "jamesandrewart An error in the ssystem has occured.... j.lang.NPE .... Our lawyer is making us say..."
[23:26:22] <gisburn> dwc-: however I think it's cruel to prevent the lizards from mating - it is not a good thing when this happens
[23:26:43] <alanc> I get " James Andrewartha   Terms of Use..."
[23:27:08] <richlowe> Yeah.
[23:27:12] <hali> can i give a non-root user access to manage zfs filesystems in a single pool?
[23:27:17] <richlowe> didn't notice that at first, that's why I thought it was working. :)
[23:27:18] <stevel> hali: yes
[23:27:26] <hali> stevel: what should i man?
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[23:27:32] <alanc> oh - if I view source the exception is in there - it just got caught inside a HTML tag
[23:27:39] <dwc-> what's with all the htmlentities in the name?
[23:27:42] <stevel> hali: rbac(5)
[23:27:43] <hspaans> stevel: you know enough?
[23:27:56] <stevel> hali: ZFS File System Management is the profile you want
[23:28:01] <dwc-> stevel: does that restrict by pool?
[23:28:19] <hali> stevel: ok, and i grant that on a per pool level?
[23:28:24] <stevel> dwc-: not sure, i see ZFS File System Management (for zfs) and ZFS Storage Management for zpool
[23:28:29] <stevel> but i don't know if/how it restricts by pool
[23:28:41] <dwc-> must be a browser difference.... my NPE shows up inside the a href= tag
[23:28:43] <hali> im tempted just to sudo it
[23:29:16] <Tpenta> speaking of zfs, ... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16739
[23:30:22] <hspaans> hali: check benr's blog. there where some postings about this if I'm not mistaken
[23:30:29] <hali> stevel: actually zfs file system management is enough for what i need... that user can't create new pools.. hence can't break physical disks
[23:31:25] <stevel> never underestimate a user with a screwdriver and a hammer
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[23:32:54] <hspaans> stevel: please don't speak about it now the last working day before christmas is arround the corner
[23:33:10] <dwc-> better today than tomorrow then
[23:33:53] <hspaans> all 27 minutes of it?
[23:34:16] <Tpenta> last working day before xmas is here now in Oz
[23:35:28] <hspaans> nice ;-)
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[23:42:57] <kimc_> last installation attempt for SXCR 54 failed, wouldn't boot .. now trying again after wiping the first sectors of the disk
[23:43:31] <kimc_> wish the installation system would wipe the disk itself
[23:44:47] <g4lt-mordant> last workday befor exmas was yesterday for me ;P
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[23:47:38] <kimc> ..split
[23:48:43] <PerterB> the judean people's popular front?
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[23:54:39] <kimc> that what ?
[23:54:49] <Gman> Tpenta, there by chance?
[23:56:07] <PerterB> kimc: "Life of Brian" thing, never mind
[23:58:58] <hile_> howdy gman
[23:59:35] <Gman> hi coy





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