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[00:07:10] <elektronkind> hmm
[00:07:12] <elektronkind> NOTICE: Kernel Cage is ENABLED
[00:07:17] <elektronkind> that ring a bell with anyone?
[00:07:37] <jmcp> yup
[00:07:41] <gisburn> elektronkind: the kernel became insane and needed to be caged.
[00:07:42] <elektronkind> seems to be DR related
[00:07:47] <jmcp> correct
[00:07:48] <jamesd> oh no you are locked in there is no escape guard your loans before the kimono dragons attack
[00:07:56] <elektronkind> hmm. I wonder why it's active on a netra x1
[00:08:09] <elektronkind> there's no /etc/system entry turning it on
[00:08:10] <gisburn> elektronkind: i-s-a-n-e kernel!
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[00:08:52] <gisburn> NetraX1 is UltraSPARC-2i based, right ?
[00:08:54] <elektronkind> gisburn: like in a dark room, naked and crying while covered in green jello insane?
[00:08:59] <elektronkind> 2e
[00:09:00] <Error_404> hey
[00:09:40] <elektronkind> hey, it's our favorite cannuck
[00:09:47] <gisburn> elektronkind: yeahm except it is pink yelloe with strains of your blood and a komodo dragon in an edge eating on the remains of your elft leg
[00:09:54] <gisburn> s/elft/left/
[00:10:03] <elektronkind> somehow I knew komodo dragons would be involved
[00:10:28] <gisburn> elektronkind: they're the next stept of evoluntion - the perfect creature
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[00:18:35] <alanc> heh, thunderbird says I've misspelled "Xorg" and suggests a correct spelling of "Borg"
[00:19:11] <springfield> alanc: bill done it
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[00:19:47] <jamesd> perhaps the thunderbird developers are drinking too much thunderbird
[00:19:58] <alanc> maybe I should send that to the sparc driver team - "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated and port all your drivers"
[00:21:40] <richlowe> iirc, the cage is an attempt to keep kernel memory on a single board, so you don't end up with every board containing non-pageable memory and not DRable.  (not sure how that plays in with it (now?) being relocatable, however)
[00:22:51] <gdamore> richlowe: that is correct. that was the point of the kernel cage
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[00:23:20] <gisburn> how can I search for a movie's length in youtube ?
[00:23:41] <gdamore> it was also the case that on the E10k you could "move" the cage from one board to another.
[00:23:43] <lloy0076> Is it possible to tell a zone to find an IP address via dhcp?
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[00:39:15] <_william_> gn
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[00:57:03] * jmcp concalls
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[01:14:26] <visik7> hi
[01:15:12] <jamesd> hello
[01:16:10] <visik7> I've a license question about zfs:
[01:16:19] <visik7> if I read the doc about how zfs is do
[01:16:28] <visik7> and I don't use the code written in the doc
[01:16:49] <onbot> commit by Govinda Tatti:  6502755 system panic during deleteboard rem_softintr()
[01:17:37] <visik7> can I build a driver that support ZFS and don't use CDDL ?
[01:17:58] <jmcp> visik7: your question is confused
[01:18:11] <visik7> someone are porting zfs to linux
[01:18:24] <visik7> but using fuse 'couse cddl is incompatible with gpl
[01:18:51] <jmcp> nah, GPL is incompatible with everything else
[01:19:03] <alanc> CDDL covers the code, not the ideas
[01:19:10] <visik7> alanc: oh ok
[01:19:38] <alanc> though there may be patents that licenses are granted to when using the CDDL-covered code that wouldn't be otherwise - I don't know
[01:20:33] <alanc> if you really needed to know, you'ld have to ask a lawyer, not a bunch of engineers like us
[01:20:54] <visik7> :)
[01:21:22] <moazamraja> re
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[01:23:00] <jamesd> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005756&pageNumber=1  <-- seems like microsoft remote workers are way behind the power and ease of use that  sun workers take for granted thanks to sunrays.
[01:23:40] <lloy0076> It's always safe to assume that the GPL is incompatible with anything except itself. Unless a lawyer tells you otherwise.
[01:23:51] <lloy0076> The question is: am I being sarcastic? :P
[01:24:06] <Error_404> or LGPL
[01:24:20] <Error_404> you can use BSD code in gpl code too, it seems
[01:24:42] <Error_404> but bsd's a more free license, so you can put that code pretty much anywhere
[01:24:44] <lloy0076> Error_404: You can use BSD code in _any_ code.
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[01:25:12] <alanc> GPLv2 allows you to incorporate code that's under a license that is either the GPL itself or a strict subset of GPL
[01:25:15] <lloy0076> Well, almost any. I suppose I cuold make a license that said NO BSD CODE allowed.
[01:25:26] <gdamore> not all BSD is GPL compatible, IIUC
[01:25:26] <alanc> BSD license is a very small subset of GPL
[01:25:27] <jamesd> you can throw bsd code over a wall to a pack of hungry dogs, and all that is required that they leave the name tag attached.
[01:25:42] <gdamore> alanc: no.  depends on the GPL version
[01:25:47] <gdamore> err BSD version
[01:26:02] <gdamore> 4-clause BSD license has advertising requirements that are incompatible with GPL
[01:26:03] <alanc> right - has to be current BSD, without the advertising clause, not the original version
[01:26:19] <lloy0076> Anyway, I've solved my: "I can't get my OpenSolaris to resolve properly when I set a static IP problem and therefore end up using Telstra's crappy DNS servers. I installed Centos Linux and am browsing using Linux which IS behaving itself.
[01:26:27] <lloy0076> It's a totally perverted solution but it works :)
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[01:47:15] <Stric> kernel memory allocator: buffer freed to wrong cache
[01:47:15] <Stric> buffer was allocated from zio_buf_65536,
[01:47:15] <Stric> caller attempting free to zio_buf_1024.
[01:47:18] <Stric> nice one
[01:48:09] * jamesd senses a bug report comming on.
[01:48:32] <jmcp> Stric: which build are you running?
[01:48:55] <Stric> 53
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[01:51:28] <Stric> could be that I changed zil_disable=1, zfs_vdev_cache_bshift=10, zfs_vdev_cache_size=0, zfs_prefetch_disable=1  after starting zfs etc
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[02:12:49] <dmick> anyone konw if there's a setting or something so I can permanently silence ChanServ?
[02:14:14] <richlowe> I don't think there is.
[02:14:30] <richlowe> best I can come up with would be /ignore'ing ChanServ.
[02:14:31] <lloy0076> dmick: You could try banning it :)
[02:14:35] <richlowe> though that may not be the greatest of ideas.
[02:15:06] <dmick> it just strikes me like the robo-cabbie in Total Recall
[02:15:08] <dmick> I want to laser its head
[02:15:43] <richlowe> /ignore *!* at ChanServ dot services NOTICES
[02:15:44] <richlowe> that may work.
[02:15:54] <richlowe> (to just ignore the join notice, rather than everything)
[02:16:57] <dmick> *!*?  really?
[02:17:34] <dmick> and is that persistent on the server?
[02:19:26] <dmick> <sigh>  GAIM apparently doesn't tunnel it anyway.  foo.
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[02:20:28] <moshe> hello
[02:21:27] <moshe> are the different opensolaris distributions binary compatible with one another?  If I download the JDS from the opensolaris website, will it run on belenix, nexenta, etc?
[02:22:19] <richlowe> dmick: ignore is client side.
[02:22:49] <dmick> richlowe: things I'd read seemed to indicate otherwise, but....the 'net is not necessarily authoritative
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[02:23:34] <Stric>  scrub: scrub in progress, 0.00% done, 248h9m to go
[02:23:54] <dmick> that's a lot of scrubbing
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[02:25:18] <Stric>  scrub: scrub in progress, 0.02% done, 162h55m to go
[02:25:19] <Stric> ;)
[02:25:36] <Stric> didn't you see those 90 hours fly by? :)
[02:25:48] <Stric>  scrub: scrub in progress, 0.09% done, 47h44m to go
[02:25:52] <Stric> 110 more :)
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[02:26:48] <benr> stevel, ping.
[02:27:14] <stevel> benr: pong
[02:27:29] <benr> got an eta on this weeks archive drop?
[02:27:43] <stevel> the build 55 drop? or the nightly?
[02:27:56] <benr> nightly with archives.
[02:28:07] <benr> some important code integrated on Thursday and I can't wait to roll it.
[02:28:08] <stevel> it'll happen tomorrow morning
[02:28:12] <richlowe> gate doesn't close until 11PST.
[02:28:19] <benr> kool.
[02:28:28] <richlowe> well, sorry, the clone isn't taken, rather.
[02:28:44] <benr> any idea when B55 will make it to SX:CR?
[02:28:59] <stevel> the delivery is kicked off by a cron job that should run @ 2am, so x86 bits should be ready around and delivered around 6-7am, sparc shortly after
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[02:29:29] <stevel> hrm, it's normally every 2 weeks - SXCR 54 came out last friday, but with the holiday that means b55 isn't going to be out until past the new year
[02:29:42] <benr> bummer.
[02:29:46] <alanc> Sun US staff is off all of next week, so that throws all schedules off around this time of year
[02:29:53] <richlowe> and if the bits you want went in last thursday, it's 56 you'd be looking for.
[02:29:54] <stevel> i'm guessing early in the week of jan. 8th
[02:30:11] <benr> k. thanks.
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[02:34:50] <onbot> commit by et142600:  PSARC/2006/599 SPARC PCI Express Fabric FMA Support; 6345809 SPARC PCIe systems should not call pci_ereport_post; 6404017 PX Error handling code should match error philosophy spec; 6418713 Failed PIOs in PCIe sparc platforms may go undetected
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[02:40:20] <Stric>         NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
[02:40:23] <Stric>             c4t8d0  ONLINE       0     0 12.02
[02:40:30] <Stric> floating point number? :)
[02:41:02] <dmick> Stric: what's that output from?
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[02:41:58] <gdamore> zpool status output, looks like
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[02:43:11] <Stric> yep
[02:43:20] <Stric> it left out the 'K' after
[02:45:20] <onbot> commit by Girish Goyal:  6496740 T2000 system hangs on repeated offline/online sequence
[02:46:26] <dmick> cute
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[03:03:06] <benr> is there an RSS feed for Hq commits?
[03:03:25] <richlowe> Don't think so.
[03:03:36] <richlowe> actually, possibly.
[03:03:46] <benr> where are those "onbot" logs coming from?
[03:03:57] <hile_> how goes, ben?
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[03:05:42] <benr> hey hile_ :)
[03:05:43] <benr> just busy
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[03:09:40] <dmick> benr: from onbot, I think :)
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[03:10:30] <benr> found it.
[03:10:31] <benr> thanks
[03:15:30] <whaq> hm.. does solaris (10,11) have sendmail for the same reason it defaults to /bin/sh?
[03:15:40] <syphilis> are there any contemporary Unix systems which don't provide MAP_ANON or MAP_ANONYMOUS flags for mmap?
[03:16:24] <whaq> hi syphilis, how did you come about your nickname?
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[03:21:13] <gdamore> syphilis: I don't know about UNIX, but I'd be surprised if _all_ POSIX systems provided it
[03:21:39] <alanc> older Solaris releases didn't - it was added in 8 or 9 if I recall correctly
[03:21:40] <whaq> edp, so if I add zfs properly into a zone with type=zfs, will the snapshot process be triggered from the global zone or not?ll
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[03:22:03] <whaq> oops
[03:22:57] <edp> with type=zfs i think all snapshotting is done from the global zone, only with 'add dataset' do you get to do the snapshotting (and other zfs management) from the non-global zone
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[03:27:30] <whaq> edp, ah ok thanks
[03:28:06] <edp> have you gotten the reading of snapshots working properly from within zones how you need?
[03:29:29] <hile_> Did upgrade a system with zones get putback into s10u3?
[03:30:53] <whaq> edp, yeah. both type=zfs and adding dataset worked fine. It was screwy only when I used type=lofs and mounted it on global.
[03:31:15] <whaq> I'm giving my samba user access to .zfs/snapshot via a symlink for now
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[03:36:58] <edp> whaq, with type=zfs can you access the filesystem from both the global and non-global zones?
[03:38:34] <edp> nevermind, the docs indicate it can't be
[03:41:42] <richlowe> hile_: I think upgrade yes, liveupgrade no.
[03:41:59] <richlowe> though 10u2 had some zone-upgrade on real upgrade solution, too, didn't it?
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[03:57:26] <timc> anyone around to help try and troubleshoot some weird issues?
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[04:00:58] <dmick> well, I'm here, and I can troubleshoot
[04:01:05] <dmick> but I dunno what "some weird issues" might mean
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[04:06:59] <timc> means after plugging in my drives, dtlogin just hangs on the next boot
[04:07:23] <timc> it'll switch between the whole "press enter for a console login"
[04:07:32] <timc> to "please wait" I forget the rest of that menu
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[04:07:41] <timc> when I do get logged in, sh is using 50% cpu
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[04:08:00] <dmick> dtlogin hangs
[04:08:04] <dmick> but switches
[04:08:15] <dmick> "press enter" is in text mode, and isn't from dtlogin
[04:08:16] <dmick> um
[04:08:18] <dmick> I'm lost.
[04:08:23] <dmick> do you mean dtlogin doesn't start?
[04:08:41] <timc> it's trying to start
[04:08:46] <timc> never completes
[04:09:13] <timc> this is my third attempt at re-installing snv_b53 hoping that something just went bad on the initial install
[04:09:28] <dmick> well ok, so.it's not hanging, and in fact it may well be the X server that's not starting
[04:09:31] <timc> on one of the previous installs, I had loaded a network driver that actually functioned with nge0
[04:09:36] <timc> dtlogin was running using 50% cpu
[04:09:50] <dmick> dtlogin?  or sh? or both?
[04:09:51] <timc> but the actual GUI interface never showed on screen
[04:09:57] <timc> dtlogin at that point
[04:10:04] <timc> sh is using 50% when I get in via console
[04:10:16] <timc> like, hit enter to put in username and password
[04:10:24] <dmick> wow
[04:10:31] <timc> it takes probably 30 seconds to actually bring up a prompt after entering in the password
[04:10:48] <timc> sorry if my description here sucks
[04:11:07] <dmick> well, okay, one symptom at a time: 1) is this x86?  2) are you running Xorg (default)  3) if the preceding are true, any hints in /var/log/Xorg.log.0?
[04:11:13] <timc> x86
[04:11:14] <timc> default
[04:11:19] <timc> snv_b53
[04:11:26] <timc> it's a dfi lanpart sli-dr-ut
[04:11:31] <timc> running an opteron 165
[04:11:36] <timc> nvidia video card (7300)
[04:11:57] <timc> I'll let you know about the var log whenever it decides to give me another chance to login
[04:12:04] <timc> i'ts currently hung at "resuming desktop login"
[04:12:11] <timc> in about 5 minutes it should let me hit enter to try going in via console
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[04:14:04] <timc> yes, running xorg default
[04:14:23] <timc> I really need to get a copy of the 1.08 driver so I can get in via ssh again, that was far more helpful
[04:14:46] <dmick> 1.08 driver?  ssh?
[04:14:53] <dmick> what's up there?
[04:15:16] <timc> 1.10 driver with snv_53 doesn't work with nvidia gigE ethernet
[04:15:19] <timc> nge0 is fubar
[04:15:23] <timc> nge I should say
[04:15:28] <aliquis> What are the issues with running ZFS on i386? Is it just slow or can the filesystem become corrupt/crash/whatever?
[04:15:53] <timc> ok, so currently dmick
[04:16:00] <timc> "resuming desktop login" runs for about 5 minutes
[04:16:12] <timc> this is when I'm assuming dtlogin is munching cpu, but never really seems to launch properly
[04:16:18] <timc> then I get the "suspending desktop login"
[04:16:25] <timc> I hit enter, and get a login prompt right away
[04:16:30] <timc> put in username, get password prompt right away
[04:16:38] <timc> put in password, and it's hanging, going on probably 2 minutes now
[04:16:47] <timc> when it does eventually let me in, sh will be running at 50% cpu usage or so
[04:17:04] <dmick> so if the system thinks you're networked, but the driver isn't working
[04:17:07] <timc> at least that was the case last time, and it will eventually taper off
[04:17:10] <dmick> bad shit can be happening in name services and stuff
[04:17:14] <timc> k
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[04:17:24] <timc> ya, sh at 40% right now
[04:17:29] <timc> prstat running just fine
[04:17:33] <dmick> are you aware of a bug number for the nge problem?
[04:17:34] <timc> it's slowly dropping, down to 23%
[04:17:41] <timc> ya, let me find it
[04:17:58] <timc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6494441
[04:18:09] <timc> I don't know if that's exactly what *my* problem is, but it's in the threads relating to 1.10 driver
[04:18:28] <timc> and actually, the 1.4 driver in s10u3 didn't work for me either, the only one I know has worked consistently is the 1.1 driver from s10u2
[04:19:01] <dmick> running it on a lot of different nforce hardware with nevada, have yet to see a problem.  weird.
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[04:19:20] <timc> I should check what rev of nforce this is
[04:19:33] <timc> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=71050&#71050
[04:19:36] <timc> I know i"m not alone :>
[04:19:44] <timc> I've seen a couple of different posts about it
[04:20:15] <dmick> ugh...if it's autoneg it could well be infrastructure-dependent
[04:20:28] <timc> http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=3491&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=NA
[04:20:43] <timc> connecting to a netgear gigabit switch
[04:20:54] <timc> gs107
[04:20:57] <timc> gs108*
[04:21:15] <dmick> oh, were you the one that posted                      where does one find the 1.08 driver to fix this issue?                      today?
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[04:21:31] <dmick> I saw that email, and had no idea what it referred to
[04:21:34] <timc> wasn't today, but yes
[04:21:43] <dmick> ah.  I saw it today.
[04:21:58] <dmick> web boards are the suck.
[04:22:09] <dmick> but, um, hm.
[04:22:27] <dmick> so there's an eval in the bug
[04:22:38] <dmick> that I can't quite translate to English
[04:22:57] <dmick> but it seems to be implicating autonegotiation, and maybe that if you can avoid autonegotiation, it might work better
[04:23:24] <timc> how might I go about that?
[04:23:33] <dmick> searching
[04:23:46] <timc> nge.conf just has interrupte-priorities
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[04:25:40] <dmick> it *looks* like the claim is
[04:25:48] <dmick> if you set both speed and full-duplex properties
[04:25:52] <dmick> then autoneg is turned off
[04:26:31] <hile_> i thought turning off autoneg for gigE is a no-no.
[04:27:12] <dmick> hile_: dunno; any idea why?
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[04:27:28] <timc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6333732
[04:27:32] <timc> that doesn't look to promising
[04:27:51] <timc> how do I set speed and full-duplex properties?
[04:29:11] <dmick> 6333732 is marked fixed, and seems to have resulted in a code change
[04:31:18] <dmick> into snv_32
[04:32:47] <timc> even doing like a route -f takes probably 30 seconds to come back
[04:34:27] <dmick> what's in your /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[04:35:05] <dmick> might try switching to "files" until you work out this network issue
[04:35:36] <jmcp> timc: and svcadm disable name-service-cache too
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[04:36:46] <timc> which line dmick?  just hosts? or for everything?
[04:36:55] <timc> hosts and ipnodes?
[04:37:00] <dmick> copy yours to a backup
[04:37:02] <jmcp> hosts
[04:37:07] <dmick> and copy /etc/nsswitch.files to /etc/nsswitch.conf
[04:37:08] <dmick> I would
[04:37:34] <dmick> it could be hanging on passwd lookups too
[04:38:23] <timc> giving that a shot, rebooting it right now
[04:39:10] <dmick> agh.  shouldn't have requited a reboot
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[04:39:23] <dmick> *required
[04:39:51] <timc> *shrug* it's not a big deal
[04:40:06] <timc> I'd rather seeif it comes upf rom a fresh boot anyways
[04:40:14] <timc> wow, maybe some spacing next time
[04:40:35] <dmick> this should only need to be temporary of course until nge works again
[04:40:48] <timc> ya
[04:41:03] <timc> we'll find out in about 2 minutes
[04:41:12] <dmick> so for nge, it seems like it's worth a try to add a couple of props to /kernel/drv/nge.conf
[04:41:26] <dmick> speed=1000 full-duplex="true"
[04:41:30] <timc> if you can find a sample .conf I'd be ahppy to do so
[04:41:31] <timc> k
[04:41:35] <dmick> after interrupt-priorities=6;
[04:41:38] <dmick> or on their own lnie
[04:41:39] <timc> looks like it' sstill hanging
[04:41:40] <dmick> either one
[04:42:03] <timc> I'll add those to nge.conf as soon as I get the console login
[04:42:04] <dmick> sorry
[04:42:05] <dmick> not true
[04:42:12] <dmick> speed=1000 full-duplex=1
[04:42:25] <timc> those require a reboot to take effect?
[04:42:33] <timc> or is there a command to reload the driver?
[04:42:43] <timc> I know our we have qlreconfig for our fc drivers
[04:42:53] <dmick> I would think update_drv nge should do it
[04:42:56] <dmick> if not
[04:43:07] <dmick> ifconfig nge0 down
[04:43:11] <dmick> ifconfig nge0 unplumb
[04:43:15] <dmick> modinfo to check for it
[04:43:19] <dmick> modunload -i <num> if it's still there
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[04:50:35] <timc> do I need a ; after the full-duplex=1?
[04:51:13] <jmcp> yes
[04:51:24] <timc> trying the update_drv right now, just hanging so far
[04:53:18] <dmick> hm.  so when I run that on an open network interface
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[04:53:22] <dmick> it immediately responds
[04:53:29] <dmick> Cannot unload module: bge
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[04:53:34] <dmick> Will be unloaded upon reboot.
[04:53:38] <timc> ya, I had to unload it
[04:53:42] <timc> unplumb
[04:53:45] <dmick> presumably that's because I have open connections
[04:53:46] <dmick> ok
[04:53:47] <timc> before it would let me tyr running it
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[04:54:37] <timc> lol, our rott decided to make a bed out of a blanket I left lying in the corner
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[04:54:41] <timc> hakD
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[04:58:44] <klepplap> a friend of mine just got a rott.  it's about ten weeks old and absolutely huge
[05:00:25] <timc> lol, ours is kind of a runt, he's ~7 months and only 70lbs
[05:00:34] <timc> supposedly they don't really fill out till almost 2 though so *shrug*
[05:00:43] <timc> I doubt we'll see him full grown though, he's a foster
[05:01:43] <klepplap> he's just a little bit smaller than a full grown lab
[05:02:11] <klepplap> i'm not sure i'll have the balls to go visit him in a year or so :P
[05:02:33] <dmick> or if you'll have them when you leave :)
[05:03:07] <klepplap> exactly :P
[05:04:03] <timc> lol, our pitt kicks the shit out of the rott at least once a week
[05:04:10] <timc> she's typical female pitbull bitch
[05:05:37] <dmick> I love the idea of living somewhere where a "pitbull" routinely "kicks the shit" out of anything
[05:06:01] <dmick> "yeah, I've just moved to a new neighborhood in the middle of teh watering hole in the Serengeti"
[05:06:07] <dmick> "we've lost a few kids, but we like it so far"
[05:06:12] <klepplap> heheheh
[05:06:15] <timc> lol
[05:06:20] <timc> she's a sweetheart to people
[05:06:27] <timc> :>
[05:06:39] <dmick> at least the ones she considers above her in the pack hierarchy
[05:06:40] <dmick> today
[05:06:48] <timc> she's technically nice to him too, it's more of a lover's quarrel
[05:07:00] <timc> if she really wanted to hurt him it woudln't be hard
[05:07:03] <klepplap> technically nice?
[05:07:08] <timc> she doesn't draw blood
[05:07:10] <timc> I'd say that's being nice
[05:07:41] <timc> hardsetting this didn't seem to make a difference dmick
[05:07:46] <timc> nor did the files stuff
[05:07:51] <dmick> !
[05:07:55] <aliquis> Get a lion instead http://www.fmft.net/archives/BBC_NEWS.htm
[05:08:30] <dmick> do you have a good candidate for a command that wants to hang, that we can try trussing?
[05:09:08] <timc> zpool import is hanging :>
[05:11:12] <timc> man life would be easier if this nic was working, cripes
[05:11:33] <timc> the whole 6xx by 4xx screen res is kind of shite :>
[05:11:47] <timc> let's see if I can get the 1.1 nge driver on there
[05:12:10] <dmick> do you have a remote machine in your $PATH
[05:12:11] <dmick> ?
[05:13:03] <timc> no?
[05:13:28] <timc> this shite is all a default install
[05:13:35] <timc> path is /usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[05:14:56] <timc> any idea where usb drives mount by default?
[05:16:20] <aliquis> http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ what that link from here?
[05:16:38] <aliquis> read only zfs support for linux ;/
[05:17:06] <jmcp> timc: you're running 53? then it'll be under /media
[05:17:53] * richlowe still thinks that's a somewhat dubious idea.
[05:19:56] <timc> nvm, it auto-mounted
[05:19:59] <timc> ya, thanks jc
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[05:27:26] <aliquis> http://blogs.sun.com/martin/entry/secure_by_default the comments part of the theme isn't all that good
[05:27:57] <dmick> it's so hard to go wrong with black on white, user-chosen fonts
[05:28:06] <dmick> I'm so tired of "design"
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[05:32:06] <timc> allright dmick
[05:32:13] <timc> I loaded the sol10u2 nge driver
[05:32:17] <timc> so I have network connection from my main box
[05:32:21] <timc> what do you wanna truss?  ;)
[05:32:28] <dmick> well, now that the network is working
[05:32:34] <dmick> probably so are the commands, I'm guessing
[05:32:40] <dmick> and probably dtlogin
[05:32:41] <timc> no, dtlogin still doesn't work
[05:32:42] <timc> nope
[05:33:03] <dmick> so does it mumble whatever indicates that it couldn't start the X server/
[05:33:04] <dmick> ?
[05:33:48] <timc> let me exit out on the console and see what it has to say
[05:33:48] <dmick> * The X-server can not be started on display
[05:33:57] <timc> we have "resuming desktop login"
[05:34:16] <dmick> * Resuming Desktop Login...
[05:34:17] <timc> prstat is currently showing
[05:34:19] <timc>    PID USERNAME  SIZE   RSS STATE  PRI NICE      TIME  CPU PROCESS/NLWP
[05:34:20] <timc>    538 root     3776K 1760K cpu1     0    0   0:01:20  25% devfsadm/7
[05:34:20] <timc>    539 root     2448K 1580K sleep   59    0   0:00:10  14% ttymon/1
[05:34:20] <timc>    554 root     5216K 1876K sleep    0    0   0:00:06  11% dtlogin/1
[05:35:35] <timc>    446 root     5132K 2048K sleep   59    0   0:00:00 0.0% dtlogin/1
[05:35:36] <timc>    563 root     5132K 1588K sleep   59    0   0:00:00 0.0% dtlogin/1
[05:35:39] <timc> interesting, two dtlogin's
[05:35:41] <timc> that normal?
[05:36:20] <delewis> timc, no
[05:36:34] <timc> when I killed one of them
[05:36:37] <timc> it stopped my ssh session
[05:36:38] <timc> wtf
[05:36:51] <timc> now it's showing 3 sessions
[05:37:24] <dmick> awesome
[05:37:52] <dmick> I imagine it forks and then execs the server
[05:37:59] <dmick> so at any given time, having two is not surprising
[05:38:03] <dmick> three is right out :)
[05:38:18] <dmick> I would probably truss -f -p $(pgrep dtlogin) and see wtf is going on
[05:38:21] <timc> killed two of them
[05:38:34] <jmcp> try "svcadm disable cde-login"
[05:38:42] <timc> # truss -f -p $(pgrep dtlogin)
[05:38:43] <timc> syntax error: `(' unexpected
[05:39:03] <jmcp> or even   truss -f -p `pgrep -x dtlogin`
[05:39:30] <jmcp> timc: did you setup any automount stuff for your user? you might want to check the status of the autofs service
[05:39:44] <dmick> silly non-ksh users :)
[05:39:47] <timc> nope, haven't touched anything jc
[05:39:48] <timc> default install
[05:40:18] <dmick> did backtick work better timc
[05:40:19] <timc> second truss command gives me a "usage: blah blah
[05:40:20] <timc> nope
[05:40:31] <dmick> is dtlogin gone?
[05:40:33] <timc> I can change the shell to ksh if needbe
[05:40:36] <jmcp> no!
[05:40:38] <timc> lemme look
[05:40:43] <jmcp> root's shell should be /sbin/sh
[05:40:48] <timc> yes, dtlogin is gone
[05:40:53] <jmcp> forever more, till SUS and POSIX do us part
[05:40:58] <dmick> that would be the usage.  and jmcp: bite me :)
[05:40:58] <timc> root:x:0:0:Super-User:/:/sbin/sh
[05:41:11] <dmick> exec /bin/ksh -o vi is hardwired into my fingers
[05:41:12] <timc> console login is showing on the console right now
[05:41:14] <timc> suprisingly enough
[05:41:18] <dmick> and sometimes into /.profile
[05:41:27] <dmick> well, so
[05:41:30] <jmcp> dmick: darned vi user.... :)
[05:41:35] <dmick> regardless of why dtlogin works or doesn't
[05:41:40] <timc> what now?
[05:41:45] <dmick> let's look at /var/log/Xorg.log.0 and see whether the Xserver has been crying
[05:41:59] * delewis wishes vi mode in ksh had an equivalent of ^V in emacs/gmacs mode.
[05:42:24] <timc> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "<default keyboard>" (type: KEYBOARD)
[05:42:27] <timc> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "<default pointer>" (type: MOUSE)
[05:42:30] <timc> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Damage Notification Manager" (type: Other)
[05:42:33] <timc> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Kernel RC Handler" (type: Other)
[05:42:36] <timc> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)
[05:42:39] <timc> (II) 3rd Button detected: disabling emulate3Button
[05:42:40] <dmick> yikes
[05:42:41] <timc> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[05:42:42] <dmick> don't paste the whole thing
[05:42:46] <timc> lol
[05:42:50] <timc> my bad :)
[05:42:50] <gtcaz> Hi all -- I upgraded to the new Solaris Express and now my screen resolution is way off.  It's huge, even at the login screen.  I'm running under VMWare.  How can I set it to a more reasonable size?
[05:42:52] <delewis> paste-o-rama.
[05:43:06] <timc> gtcaz: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:43:07] <timc> ftw!
[05:43:23] <timc> assuming nothing decent is showing up in your right click desktop resolution menu
[05:43:30] <dmick> delewis: ^V?  are you serious?
[05:43:40] <gtcaz> timc: It does, but it doesn't change the login screen.
[05:43:43] <dmick> timc: anything with EE that looks relevant?
[05:43:48] <delewis> it's nice to know sometimes what version you're working with.
[05:43:53] <gtcaz> timc: and it breaks things.
[05:44:03] <delewis> just a minor inconsistency, IMO.
[05:44:14] <delewis> modes should have equivalent functionality between one another.
[05:44:56] <timc> (EE) Unable to locate/open config file
[05:44:59] <timc> that could be bad eh?
[05:45:03] <timc> also can't find fbdev
[05:45:09] <dmick> delewis: how does that not break the entry of control chars?
[05:45:16] <dmick> timc: no, "no config file" is normal
[05:45:17] <timc> (EE) Failed to load module "xtsol" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:45:21] <dmick> that's fine too
[05:45:24] <timc> (EE) Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0)
[05:45:29] <dmick> I think that's ok
[05:45:32] <timc> that's it
[05:46:09] <dmick> so the XINPUT stuff was last eh
[05:46:14] <timc> yup
[05:46:26] <dmick> did it seem like it was trying to switch out of text mode?
[05:46:31] <dmick> did the screen ever even go blank?
[05:46:55] <timc> nope
[05:47:18] <dmick> stupid thought: is this a multi-output card?
[05:47:28] <timc> what's weird is it was fine until I hooked up all my HDD's
[05:47:35] <timc> to reload my zpool
[05:47:41] <dmick> you said that and I refused to believe you
[05:47:43] <timc> but now even if I unhook them it doesn't work
[05:47:58] <timc> umm, ya, I believe it's multi-input, I can try hooking up the dvi
[05:48:03] <gtcaz> timc: Thanks.  Works perfectly now.
[05:48:20] <dmick> no, no, multi-output video card
[05:48:24] <dmick> as in dual-head
[05:48:30] <dmick> if so, the text is duped from mon to mon
[05:48:39] <dmick> but the graphics might not be
[05:48:43] <timc> it's a dual-head gfx card
[05:48:50] <timc> there's only one output hooked up
[05:48:55] <timc> which is the standard vga output
[05:49:06] <dmick> possible you moved that cable when installing the drives?
[05:49:17] <dmick> (knocked it out and replaced in wrong one?..)
[05:49:56] <timc> naw
[05:50:02] <timc> I have my main box sitting on my left under my desk
[05:50:10] <timc> which has the dvi outputs from y two dell 2005FPW's
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[05:50:19] <timc> then I have the vga output from the right monitor running to the fileserver
[05:50:23] <timc> and it's screwed in tight
[05:50:34] <timc> hasn't changed in a year :>
[05:50:37] <dmick> "the fileserver" being the one that we're diagnosing?
[05:50:41] <timc> yup
[05:50:42] <dmick> ok
[05:51:14] <dmick> so there's some website where you can quickly share cut'n'paste things
[05:51:21] <timc> ya
[05:51:23] <timc> pastebin.com
[05:51:26] <dmick> that's the one
[05:51:33] <dmick> can you put up your Xorg.0.log there
[05:51:42] <dmick> and I'll compare to mine
[05:51:53] * jmcp wanders off
[05:52:29] <timc> lol, just fired up format, because I still think the disks are related in some way
[05:52:33] <timc> it's hanging on the *new disk*
[05:52:36] <timc> guess you'll have to give me a few
[05:52:48] <dmick> what kind of disks?  USB?
[05:52:51] <timc> sata
[05:54:23] <timc> tried to pastebin that but it just errors out
[05:54:24] <timc> junk!
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[05:54:39] <dmick> feh
[05:57:36] <timc> msg and such :>
[06:02:30] <dmick> i yain't got nothing
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[06:04:58] <timc> lol, wonderful :>
[06:05:05] <timc> well, maybe something will come of the whole format thing
[06:05:08] <timc> *crosses fingers*
[06:05:26] <dmick> wait, so, you sent email, but it just hasn't arrived yet?
[06:05:35] <dmick> no bouncy?
[06:05:38] <timc> no, I messaged you
[06:05:39] <timc> on irc
[06:05:43] <timc> a link to pastebin
[06:06:52] <dmick> I have a private tab open for you now; repaste?
[06:07:03] <dmick> or put it here?
[06:08:36] <dmick> timc: knock knock
[06:11:01] <timc> sorry, had to let the dogs out
[06:12:30] <dmick> so....got that pastebin link?
[06:12:43] <timc> yes
[06:12:46] <timc> just pasted it again
[06:12:46] <timc> lol
[06:12:53] <dmick> I don't understand
[06:13:21] <dmick> don't know how this can go wrong
[06:14:03] <timc> I don't either :>
[06:14:07] <dmick> can you not paste it to this window?
[06:14:12] <timc> now I see
[06:14:12] <timc> 22:55 -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[06:14:17] <timc> bastards
[06:14:19] <dmick> oh
[06:14:51] <dmick> well, email the link?
[06:14:56] <dmick> or paste it here?
[06:15:05] <timc> and of course this nick is already registered
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[06:15:46] <tcook> just do this
[06:16:03] <tcook>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
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[06:16:52] <dmick> well, I'll try that for the sake of diagnosis
[06:17:01] <dmick> but I don't see what cna possibly be private to require a private msg
[06:17:43] <timc> I can paste it here then
[06:17:44] <timc> no worries
[06:17:51] <timc> http://pastebin.ca/284638
[06:18:10] <timc> format is sitting at 50% cpu usage atm
[06:18:28] <dmick>          /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[06:18:31] <dmick> awesome
[06:18:53] <dmick> ok, that was accepted, can you /msg me now?
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[06:48:06] <aliquis> When I try to get  Solaris Express build 54 DVD (Segment 4 of 5), Multi-language x86 version it always stops at 88%, why might that be?
[06:48:21] <aliquis> two times using firefox and now i tried the download manager and the same thing happened
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[06:59:15] <ShadowHntr> jamesd: did you mail off that gear yet?
[06:59:30] <jamesd> what gear?
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[07:28:08] <sahafeez> anyone know if ipfw is part of nexenta? i cannot seem to find it in their docs
[07:29:59] <delewis> ipfw?
[07:30:04] <razrX> sahafeez: if you mean the freebsd ipfw packet filter than i can't think of a reason why ipfw should be in nexenta
[07:30:19] <sahafeez> sorry, hum. ipf
[07:30:26] <razrX> ipfilter is the defacto packetfilter in solaris now
[07:30:31] <sahafeez> now knows why google did not hit.
[07:30:38] <razrX> :)
[07:30:43] <delewis> no idea, but if it isn't ipfilter is pretty easy to build and install in Solaris.
[07:30:50] <sahafeez> yes, but nexenta is not 100% opensolairs ;)
[07:30:53] <richlowe> I'd assume ipf would be there.
[07:31:27] <razrX> personally, i'd rather see openbsd's pf become the default packet filter in solaris but that's just my opinion
[07:31:28] <jamesd> i'm booting  nexenta currently and will check
[07:31:56] <sahafeez> thanks james
[07:32:01] <LurkinLurker> pf is supposed to be the easiest to set up and write rules for, but I haven't used anything but iptables so...
[07:32:12] <jamesd> razrX, start porting no one else is going to do it, especially not sun
[07:32:15] <delewis> it would've been silly, IMO, for Sun to ignore ipfilter, given it was already working on Solaris before Sun even took a look at it.
[07:32:24] <delewis> pf would've had to be ported, and so fourth.
[07:32:37] <sahafeez> i wish pf would be ported...
[07:32:42] <razrX> i know, just expressing my opinion that's all
[07:32:47] <Doc> yes. plus we employed the ipfilter author
[07:32:55] <Doc> asking him to port pf would be a bit of a waste :)
[07:33:21] <richlowe> No, no it wouldn't.
[07:33:28] <richlowe> It'd be worthwhile for the hilarity alone. :)
[07:33:34] <richlowe> I'd *love* to watch someone ask him to do that.
[07:33:43] <razrX> lol
[07:33:48] <delewis> "gone postal" at Sun.
[07:34:17] <jamesd> employee goes supernova at Sun
[07:34:30] <delewis> ipfilter also has a much longer track record.
[07:34:41] <delewis> it wasn't until 2002 or so that OpenBSD decided to start development on it.
[07:34:51] <delewis> and ipfilter (at that time) was pretty mature, already.
[07:35:01] <richlowe> 2000 for pf, I believe.
[07:35:05] <jamesd> yes ipf is there in nexenta,  /usr/sbin/ipf is there as is various  lib/ipf directories
[07:35:12] <richlowe> and it (somewhat) preexisted that.
[07:35:12] <delewis> richlowe, no, *much* later.
[07:35:17] <delewis> pf is relatively new.
[07:36:41] <sahafeez> thanks james.
[07:36:57] <delewis> I don't see any mention of the date development started in the Wikipedia article, but I vividly recall when Theo announced that ipf would be removed because of licensing problems and they would start to work on a new firewall -- pf.
[07:37:07] <delewis> and that couldn't have been any earlier than 2002.
[07:37:08] <richlowe> it came with OpenBSD 3, late 2001, my bad.
[07:37:14] <sahafeez> pf is better. it was in .31
[07:37:17] <sahafeez> 3.1
[07:37:25] <richlowe> http://openbsd.org/plus30.html
[07:38:20] <delewis> still, you can't help but admire how many platforms ipfilter has been ported to.
[07:38:29] <delewis> and how many has pf been ported to? :-)
[07:40:39] <sahafeez> netbsd, freebsd
[07:40:50] <sahafeez> *+bsd
[07:41:25] <delewis> sahafeez, that's still relatively few by comparison.
[07:42:31] <sahafeez> yes, and it is only a few years old and has some big kernel hooks...it is better then ipf and i have done large scale deployments of both.
[07:42:46] <sahafeez> that being said ipf is so much better then iptables..
[07:45:02] <sahafeez> damn, it is so cold here tonight.
[07:45:23] <sahafeez> jamesd: how is nexenta
[07:46:15] <razrX> i thought i read somewhere that the ipf release in solaris 10 (currently at version 4.0.3) wasn't able to actually filter IPv6 traffic, just block it .. anyone here who can confirm this?
[07:46:17] <sahafeez> yes! irb 7s are going to be in SD in Feb!!!!
[07:46:43] <jamesd> sahafeez, better than i expected it to be, not sure its ready for production, but for a desktop its pretty sweet
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[07:51:09] <aliquis> I can't do lucreate -c solenv2 -n solenv3 -m /:c0d0s0:ufs if c0d0s0 was my old root partition (solenv1) ?
[07:51:45] <richlowe> why not just rename and/or reuse solenv1?
[07:52:36] <aliquis> i tried solenv1 but it said it was already in use
[07:52:37] <aliquis> # lustatus
[07:52:37] 
[07:52:37] <aliquis> Namn                       Klar     Nu     OnReboot  Ta bort Status
[07:52:37] <aliquis> solenv1                    yes      no     no        yes    -
[07:52:38] <aliquis> solenv2                    yes      yes    yes       no     -
[07:52:40] <aliquis> #
[07:52:43] <aliquis> i need to remove it somehow?
[07:53:01] <aliquis> ludelete solenv1 ?
[07:53:08] <richlowe> you could ludelete it, and re-create it, or you could use lumake to make it identical to solenv2, and then upgrade from there, or...
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[07:54:13] <aliquis> k, does it matter which method i use? anything is faster or so?
[07:54:22] <razrX> i'm about to do this exercise again myself and i'd ludelete your previous BE
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[07:54:42] <aliquis> k, i'll do that then
[07:54:50] <razrX> luupgradeing snv_53 to snv_54
[07:54:52] <aliquis> I'm kind of following http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/liveupgradehowto.jsp
[07:54:57] <aliquis> mine is from 42 to 54 ;/
[07:56:01] <aliquis> oh and my system starts to crawl real slow of the ludelete..
[07:57:07] <razrX> aliquis: i would also follow the advice to pkgrm the 5 SUNWlu* packages and install the newer ones from the b54 iso before continuing
[07:57:34] <richlowe> there's only 3 (I think)
[07:57:38] <richlowe> but you *need* to do that.
[07:57:45] <razrX> nope, always 5 so far
[07:57:58] <richlowe> anything < 53 certainly, you need to remove your existing bits, and add SUNWlucfg when you install the new ones.
[07:58:01] <aliquis> razrX: I did that for the two in the guide
[07:58:08] <richlowe> SUNWlucfg as well.
[07:58:12] <razrX> SUNWlucfg, SUNWlur, SUNWluu, SUNWluxop and SUNWluzone
[07:58:15] <aliquis> k
[07:58:30] <aliquis> can i abort the lucreate? ;/
[07:58:31] <aliquis> ;D
[07:58:34] <richlowe> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006110701/
[07:59:24] <richlowe> razrX: there's 5 packages, but 1 is the zone bits, one is entirely unrelated to liveupgrade, and the other 3 actually matter ;)
[07:59:27] * razrX is watching output of zpool iostat -v 5 while concatting the 5 chunks
[07:59:44] <razrX> richlowe: check :)
[07:59:51] <richlowe> I just did.
[08:00:10] <razrX> i meant: check as in roger as in  ... ;)
[08:01:22] <razrX> so only SUNWlucfg, SUNWlur and SUNWluu ?
[08:01:57] <richlowe> yeah, I believe SUNWluzones is somewhat of a misnomer.
[08:02:07] <whaq> dude, they pay the bills tho ;)hm.. where can I find sendmail's message log?
[08:02:08] <richlowe> iirc, it's the lu-related bits used during zone install, rather than support for liveupgrading them.
[08:02:39] <whaq> oops.. lagged shell is no good
[08:02:51] <razrX> but the sulu bits, are they now part of snv_54 (as in: will i be able to create some containers now which lu can work with) ?
[08:03:14] <whaq> any sendmail naturals? where is the message log located in nevada?
[08:03:17] <richlowe> and SUNWluxop is luxadm ;)
[08:03:38] <richlowe> razrX: part of 53 I think (hence the flag-day and need for SUNWlucfg)
[08:04:16] <razrX> okay, once i've luupgraded to 54 i'll create some zones and see how that goes once i upgrade to the next build after that
[08:04:35] <richlowe> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006112101/
[08:04:51] <dwc-> whaq, wherever syslog "mail" goes to
[08:05:18] <razrX> richlowe: thx again
[08:05:43] <whaq> dwc- thanks. apparently it only logs crit msgs to var/adm/messages
[08:05:59] <dwc-> yea, I've found the default syslog config to be somewhat ... lacking
[08:07:55] <whaq> what do i have to add to get a more.. verbose (but not debug level) messages to a separate file?
[08:07:58] <aliquis> ctrl-c didn't aborted lucreate so in the end i just killed it all and then i tried to run ludelete again but some dirs where mounted so i unmounted them and now i get some errors which are in swedish but anyway:
[08:07:59] <aliquis> # ludelete solenv1
[08:07:59] 
[08:07:59] 
[08:08:06] <razrX> previous BE deleted, GRUB slice relocated to active BE
[08:08:27] <aliquis> "is not a valid mounting point for an active bootable environment (couldn't find dir /etc)"
[08:08:31] <aliquis> and suck
[08:08:34] <aliquis> such
[08:10:41] <dwc-> whaq: man syslog.conf?
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[08:14:40] <whaq> right ;)
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[08:15:45] <aliquis> After a reboot lustatus still says that copy status for solenv1 is active and that it can't be removed.
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[08:16:56] <razrX> lucreating snv_54 ... *hold breath*
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[08:20:11] <aliquis> # lustatus
[08:20:11] 
[08:20:11] <aliquis> Namn                       Klar     Nu     OnReboot  Ta bort Status
[08:20:11] <aliquis> solenv2                    yes      yes    yes       no     -
[08:20:12] <aliquis> solenv1                    no       no     no        no     ACTIVE
[08:20:19] <aliquis> there are no way in which i can just cancel that active shit?
[08:20:36] <jamesd_> thats all wrong its in a forgein language ;-p
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[08:27:20] <aliquis> yeah i know, but what to do about active? Edit /etc/lutab "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND" and change solenv1:NC:0 to only :C since that is what solenv2 has whatever NV means i have no idea ;)
[08:27:33] <delewis> never edit /etc/lutab.
[08:27:40] <delewis> you'll make LU completely unusable
[08:27:47] <delewis> hence the "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND"
[08:28:07] <aliquis> delewis: So what to do then?
[08:28:10] <aliquis>      completion_flag Indicates whether the BE is complete (C)  or
[08:28:10] <aliquis>                      incomplete  (NC).  A complete BE is one that
[08:28:10] <aliquis>                      is not  involved  in  any  copy  or  upgrade
[08:28:10] <aliquis>                      operation. A BE can be activated or compared
[08:28:10] <aliquis>                      only when it is complete.
[08:28:19] <delewis> aliquis, your LU is completely fucked now.
[08:28:24] <delewis> because you edited /etc/lutab.
[08:28:31] <aliquis> I haven't edited it yet
[08:28:58] <aliquis> and why would it be completely fucked because of that before I've done anything else, and why would it matter at all if I will run lucreate later anyway?=
[08:29:14] <aliquis> how can I just cancel the old lucreate totally so lustatus doesn't say ACTIVE longer?
[08:29:33] <aliquis> also who cares if it becomes fucked when it already is fucked ;D
[08:29:51] <aliquis> I wanna go sleep instead
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[08:30:29] <delewis> don't ask me to explain it, I just pay attention to the warnings in the file and in the lutab(4) man page.
[08:30:32] <delewis> and from what I've seen.
[08:30:45] <delewis> if you edit lutab, you'll have to result to magic and hacks to repair it that certainly aren't documented.
[08:31:03] <richlowe> You do.
[08:31:12] <richlowe> and it's not necessarily fun to chase them down, either.
[08:31:13] <aliquis> well just say what alternative I should do to make it possible to run lucreate on solenv1 again then
[08:31:25] <delewis> richlowe, I just re-installed :-)
[08:32:16] <aliquis> So, the idea is to? ..
[08:33:29] <delewis> aliquis, the idea is that you did something you weren't suppose to do
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[08:33:32] <delewis> and now LU is screwed up.
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[08:33:49] <delewis> you might be able to get away with removing all the LU packages
[08:33:54] <delewis> and anything it leaves behind like /etc/lutab
[08:33:57] <delewis> and re-installing them.
[08:34:38] <aliquis> why doesn't the documentation cover all the package names if it's so important to update all of them in the first place.
[08:34:53] <delewis> aliquis, generally, you don't need to know the package names.
[08:35:10] <delewis> all you do is run the LU upgrade script that comes with each Solaris release before you upgrade
[08:35:13] <delewis> and it just of works.
[08:35:20] <delewis> Sun doesn't expect users to do silly things.
[08:35:30] <delewis> and certainly not whine about them afterwards.
[08:36:01] <aliquis> anyway pkgrm on the lu-packages, removal of /etc/lutab and then add the lu-packages is what you suggest?
[08:36:15] <delewis> yes
[08:36:32] <delewis> you might want to truss a few of the LU binaries and see if they're working with any other files that might be left behind, too.
[08:37:03] <delewis> truss lucreate <args> 2>&1 | grep open
[08:37:16] <aliquis> I don't know what all that means anyway and it's not even a big issue if it fucks up totally since i never boot solaris anyway since it's so fucking slow as desktop anyway
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[08:37:48] <delewis> aliquis, that's your opinion, of course.
[08:38:36] <delewis> I'm curious as to how you quantify "desktop performance," anyway.
[08:38:45] <delewis> how fast the mouse cursor moves? :-)
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[08:38:55] <delewis> "wheee... interrupts!"
[08:38:58] <aliquis> delewis: lucreate are working now, we'll see if it works later but hopefully it will, thanks.
[08:39:07] <aliquis> yes
[08:39:18] <delewis> aliquis, that's flawed for a number of reasons.
[08:39:29] <aliquis> if ui lags while disk is under usage i count that as bad desktop performance
[08:39:40] <aliquis> because it feels so slow when it start to lag a lot
[08:39:40] <delewis> and is largely based upon how quickly the mouse interrupts are handled, which depends on a number of factors.
[08:39:49] <delewis> most of the factors actually benefit you in the long run.
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[08:40:43] <aliquis> delewis: Yeah I've already thought it's a matter of prioritizes and that there is a reason for it, but in any case it feels slow when it lags, i'd rather have the disk io interupted for some time instead
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[08:44:01] <delewis> generally, what happens is the kernel masks interrupts below a certain level whenever it's working in a critical region that involves a certain device which it may receive interrupts from within that time frame.
[08:44:31] <delewis> like I said, generally, these things help ensure that things stay consistent.
[08:44:38] <aliquis> k
[08:45:28] <aliquis> But in linux and such oses they have changed the behavior to favour various "interactive" tasks haven't they? Atleast you don't notice such slow ui performance while the disk is under use
[08:45:28] <delewis> if you receive an interrupt while the kernel is say, manipulating doubly linked-list, things can go horribly wrong, if that interrupt is handled immediately.
[08:45:36] <aliquis> k
[08:45:48] <aliquis> so it's just some disk operations and not all?
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[08:46:12] <delewis> aliquis, Solaris has an interactive-class scheduler, as well.
[08:46:22] <delewis> which ever window has focus, has greater priority.
[08:46:55] <aliquis> k, if you have any suggestions on how to make it snappier on desktop feel free to mail them to dospam at gmail dot com (seriously that is the address) ;)
[08:48:08] <delewis> I think its more of a case of Linux taking short-cuts over kernel integrity :-)
[08:48:13] <delewis> which is nothing new
[08:50:52] <aliquis> I can run dispadmin -d IA ?
[08:51:25] <aliquis> or is that stupid or something?
[08:52:09] <richlowe> X puts itself in IA
[08:52:24] <richlowe> every child of X ends up in IA, unless it or you explicitly change that.
[08:52:47] <delewis> you definitely don't want to make everything IA.
[08:52:51] <delewis> you'd acheive nothing.
[08:53:03] <richlowe> anything not running under X would behave just as it would in TS
[08:53:05] <richlowe> (at least in theory)
[08:53:33] <richlowe> ps -eoclass,comm
[08:53:38] <asyd> \_o<
[08:53:39] <aliquis> k
[08:54:04] <aliquis> richlowe: So are there any way to make X feels faster?
[08:54:15] <cmihai> speed :D
[08:54:16] <andersmo> more hardware! =)
[08:54:23] <cmihai> More drugs... erm, yeah, hardwqare
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[08:54:38] <delewis> aliquis, I doubt the priority of X is the problem.
[08:54:45] <aliquis> cmihai: But it's not so "slow" in other oses
[08:54:52] <delewis> as I said, it's probably because of mouse interrupts not being handled quickly.
[08:54:57] <cmihai> aliquis: not that I've noticed.
[08:55:04] <cmihai> After using it on like 14 platforms
[08:55:09] <aliquis> delewis: And there are no way to fix that?
[08:55:40] <aliquis> cmihai: Well during high disk io it feels like formatting a floppy in win95
[08:56:20] <aliquis> dual core and scsi helps?
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[08:56:53] <cmihai> aliquis: are you on x86?
[08:56:59] <aliquis> yes
[08:57:04] <cmihai> Xorg right?
[08:57:17] <aliquis> a64 3000+, single channel ddr ;/, ata-disk
[08:57:18] <aliquis> yes
[08:57:20] <cmihai> Do you happen to own an NVIDIA card?
[08:57:23] <aliquis> yes
[08:57:30] <cmihai> Do the NVIDIA drivers make things better for you?
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[08:57:44] <aliquis> I have no idea, I run them because I guessed they did?
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[08:58:07] <andersmo> aliquis: do you use the "nv" driver or the "nvidia" driver? "grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf" ?
[08:58:20] <aliquis> nvidia one
[08:58:57] <razrX> i'm running snv_53 on a dell optiplex gx620 (2.8ghz pentium D with, unfortunately, an ati x600 gfx card) but only 1 sata disk. during lucreate the ui (gnome) becomes quite slow here as well
[08:59:00] <aliquis> anyway I'll go sleep for 2-3 hours or so, bye and thanks.
[08:59:05] <delewis> I'm not sure how using a driver that supports 3D acceleration would help him.
[08:59:41] <delewis> and yes, it does sound like an interrupt problem, given he claims that the system comes to a halt when doing disk IO of some sort.
[09:00:08] <aliquis> It's quite ok now but that might be because all I test with is moving a window ;)
[09:00:08] <cmihai> That only happens when burning DVD's on an IDE dvd-rw here
[09:00:15] <delewis> that would infer that interrupts below disk interrupts are masked *cough* mouse *cough*
[09:00:21] <delewis> this is probably the result of a shitty driver.
[09:00:34] <aliquis> yeah but maybe you don't have via bottom of the line always sux0r chipset? ;)
[09:00:41] <delewis> as it's probably generating an inefficient amount of interrupts.
[09:00:46] <cmihai> Well, he could remove the mouse and try again :)
[09:00:49] <delewis> aliquis, yes
[09:00:54] <richlowe> lastlog _53
[09:00:56] <richlowe> bugger.
[09:01:11] <delewis> desktop performance analysis. fun.
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[09:01:50] <aliquis> delewis: Ok, so you think it might be becaue the driver for via k8t800 is bad, or well, which in the end means k8t800 is bad since for instance usb usage is really slow in any os ;)
[09:02:03] <delewis> I'd say the driver is bad, because the chipset sucks.
[09:02:12] <aliquis> (plug in usb 1.x digital camera and it gets slow aswell)
[09:02:15] <delewis> or the driver is half-bad, but the chipset still sucks
[09:02:18] <delewis> (more likely)
[09:02:40] <aliquis> So what chipsets work better with solaris?
[09:02:48] <aliquis> nvidias or intel?
[09:02:59] <delewis> I've had decent experience with Intel chipsets.
[09:03:12] <delewis> Tyan might be fairly decent, as well.
[09:03:19] <aliquis> All suns opteron systems uses something of their own or nvidia or what?
[09:03:29] <delewis> Tyan, if I'm not mistaken.
[09:03:32] <aliquis> but tyan is only a motherboard manufacturer not chipset manufacturer?
[09:03:57] <delewis> they're probably using an AMD chipset.
[09:03:59] <gustav3d> tyan is a minor MB brand. they hardly do their own chipsets
[09:04:08] * delewis isn't a peecee guy, obviously.
[09:04:21] <aliquis> http://www.digicor.com.au/content.asp?Link=23&News=1
[09:04:26] <aliquis> seems to be nvidia for instance
[09:04:41] <cmihai> Tyans mostly use NVIDIA...
[09:04:45] <delewis> I'd stay away from Adaptec controllers, as well.
[09:04:56] <cmihai> And they're kickass boards
[09:05:07] <delewis> the Ultra320 controllers might not be bad
[09:05:12] <delewis> but the Ultra160 and anything below sucks.
[09:05:13] <aliquis> But tyan motherboards are often quite expensive, but if it's the chipset which is the problem there exist plenty of nforce4 motherboards so..
[09:05:21] <delewis> or at least the Solaris drivers do
[09:05:34] <delewis> and everyone else is resulting to hacks and un-safe practices.
[09:06:03] <aliquis> https://www.datorbutiken.com/home/Default.aspx?Product=TYTOMK8E-SLI   crap name = 1/5 of the price ;)
[09:06:14] <aliquis> Tyan Tomcat K8E-SLI nForce Professional 2200 SLI 4DDR-DIMM 3PCI 2PCIe SATA Raid Audio DUAL GB-LAN Firewire Socket939 ATX
[09:06:31] <aliquis> 1 990 Swedish kronor = 287.713617 U.S. dollars
[09:06:34] <aliquis> but it was a little expensive
[09:06:58] <aliquis> But dfi or asus or whatever are probably ok aswell
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[09:08:03] <razrX> are those Tyan guys evil or what (from the version 2.00 notes: Version 2.00:
[09:08:08] <razrX> * Updated nVidia nForce RAID ID support for nVidia chipset drivers v6.66 and higher
[09:08:11] <razrX> 666 :)
[09:09:24] <cmihai> razrX: like duh, guy worked for both Intel and IBM
[09:09:27] <delewis> 8-line mpstat output rocks :-)
[09:09:30] <cmihai> That makes for pure evil!
[09:09:39] <razrX> cmihai: LOL
[09:09:44] <cmihai> delewis: E4500?
[09:09:45] <whaq> I'm using an MSI K9N Nforce-based (570) motherboard t test nevada and it's been good so far.
[09:09:54] <delewis> cmihai, yes
[09:09:56] <cmihai> Heh
[09:10:23] <razrX> next box i buy will definitely be nForce based
[09:12:32] <aliquis> If I would get new desktop now it would be intel i975 + conroe, if I would just fix my "broken" hardware it would be socket 939 + single core a64, but both things would take money from my get-an-apple-branded-system-when-they-don't-build-one-with-shitty-specs-budget and that aren't good :)
[09:12:45] <cmihai> Huh :)
[09:12:51] <whaq> heh
[09:13:27] <aliquis> Or I could just get a job and all of the above, but I'm to lazy :(
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[09:13:44] * delewis loves how the opensolaris mailing lists have become sun-managers
[09:13:55] <delewis> the vfork() thread is an excellent example
[09:14:16] <richlowe> it wasn't exactly unexpected.
[09:19:31] <lplatypus> nForce chipsets (at least from the 500 series on) seem to be a bit power hungry, hence contributing more to heat and noise
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[09:28:58] <niklaus> is there any utility that gives the OS snapshot like process states between 2 intervals
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[09:42:12] <lplatypus> i'm not quite sure what you mean niklaus, can you elaborate?
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[09:52:29] <cmihai> Hm.. damn, aliquis was right. lucrate does bog the UI down badly
[09:52:38] <cmihai> Or any other heavy disk activity for that matter.
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[09:53:42] <Gr|ffous> Hi, I'm trying to fix this problem with my machine interupts. I'm still seeing around half a million intr/sec, and according to intrstat the problem is my sound card and network card
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[09:54:22] <Gr|ffous> I've upgraded to SX-53, no change. How can I troubleshoot this? can I remove the sound card module to see if the nic calms down?
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[09:58:15] <quasi> Gr|ffous: are they on a shared irq?
[09:59:24] <Gr|ffous> how do I tell?
[09:59:37] <Gr|ffous> I miss /proc/interupts!
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[10:09:17] <Gr|ffous> ah, yes I think they are, irq 0
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[10:12:43] <quasi> that's a likely reason for the trouble then - I think solaris will either syslog a warning or show it during boot when that happens saying something about performance impact
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[10:13:48] <Gr|ffous> The thing is, I didn't have this issue with linux
[10:13:59] <Gr|ffous> same hardware - no changes
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[10:18:15] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:20:15] <Gr|ffous> Indeed: Dec 17 18:44:43 angelous unix: [ID 954099 kern.info] NOTICE: IRQ0 is being share
[10:20:15] <Gr|ffous> d by drivers with different interrupt levels
[10:20:28] <Gr|ffous> sadly, I still don't know what to do about this fact
[10:22:16] <quasi> you can usually hack stuff like that by changing bios settings
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[10:24:05] <Gr|ffous> Is that what the irq reservations are for?
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[10:24:22] <Gr|ffous> I recall something about assigning pci slots certain irqs
[10:24:49] <Gr|ffous> having said that, both are onboard, so do you think I can still fix it in the bios?
[10:25:08] <quasi> yeah, I can't see why not
[10:25:22] <Gr|ffous> Gman, congrats, I read the news
[10:25:27] <Gman> hi Gr|ffous
[10:25:30] <Gman> thanks
[10:25:42] <Gr|ffous> how long have you been a gnome hacker?
[10:26:09] <richlowe> mornin' Gman.
[10:26:30] <Gman> Gr|ffous, 6+ years
[10:26:38] <Gman> richlowe, hey
[10:28:08] <Gr|ffous> Gman, I know you are hardly tech support, but since this is a +solaris gnome issue, I'll be a little cheeky and ask; I seem to have had some gnome process die (nautilus?) I have no desktop icons, can't right click etc, but my gnome menu and panel are fine. Ideas?
[10:29:01] <Doc> patch
[10:29:02] <Gr|ffous> I'm using SX-CR53
[10:29:07] <Doc> where there goes that idea
[10:29:41] <Gr|ffous> hmm?
[10:29:45] <Gman> Gr|ffous, hrm, open up a terminal and start nautilus?
[10:29:48] <richlowe> did that happen to have happened the first time you logged in after upgrading to 53, and pretty much instantly on login?
[10:30:20] <Gr|ffous> Gman, that works ok, I get a new window, but my 'desktop' is still dead.
[10:30:31] <richlowe> Oh, and is svc:/system/hal enabled?
[10:30:42] <Gman> Gr|ffous, hrm, sounds like a potential gconf issue
[10:30:53] <Gr|ffous> It may have been my first login, but it wasn't straight away. Actually it happened when I tried to change my background
[10:31:06] <richlowe> Gman: don't you need nautilus --no-default-window to get the desktop bit back?
[10:31:11] <Gr|ffous> richlowe, yup, hal is online and alive
[10:31:31] <richlowe> then I've run out of the snv_53 JDS problems I remember. :)
[10:31:56] <Gr|ffous> I was caught out with the fc-cache service
[10:31:57] <Gman> try - gconftool --type=bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop true
[10:32:09] <Gr|ffous> btw, is the man page for that app stuffed for anyone else?
[10:32:28] <Gman> Gr|ffous, stuffed for me
[10:33:54] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to work out what it is still *g*. I disabled it because it would use all my system resources when installing a zone. No ill effect back on sv45, but with it disabled in 53 (after I LUed), GDM would just crash out on boot, resulting in a restarting X loop - fun!
[10:34:35] <Gr|ffous> so I probably crashed out of gdm/X 100+ times before I managed my first JDS login in SX-53 - which probably wasn't a good start!
[10:34:36] <Gman> think there were a few issues with live upgrade
[10:34:43] <Gman> seemingly it's not a path our qa guys test
[10:35:04] <richlowe> gconftool-2, not gconftool.
[10:35:09] <Gr|ffous> Gman, no change after that command
[10:35:35] <Gr|ffous> it sounds like I need to reboot to fix this IRQ issue anyway
[10:36:39] <richlowe> and yeah, fc-cache(1) is buggered to all hell
[10:37:06] <Gr|ffous> :)
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[10:37:37] <richlowe> 6368378 - and has been for the better part of a year
[10:38:19] <cmihai> Brr, don't remind me of fc-cache
[10:38:41] <cmihai> I've had mine times of fc-cache eating all RAM and SWAP and CPU on servers that started dtlogin :)
[10:39:14] <Gr|ffous> so what does is actually do? Seemingly GDM requires it, but I'm still a bit lost with it
[10:45:29] <lasseoe> uhm, not directly OpenSolaris related, but I'm wondering why my apache is listening on port 0
[10:45:30] <lasseoe>  4790 /opt/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL
[10:45:30] <lasseoe>         sockname: AF_INET 0.0.0.0  port: 0
[10:45:43] <lasseoe> it's also listening on 80 and 443
[10:47:10] <razrX> successfully luupgraded to snv_54 on a X64 box from snv_53 :)
[10:47:41] <cmihai> Damn
[10:47:44] <cmihai> You're faster
[10:47:47] <razrX> LOL
[10:47:47] <cmihai> Upgrading Solaris: 26% completed
[10:48:00] <Gr|ffous> are you guys downloading the entire 6 cds each time?
[10:48:03] <cmihai> svn_53 -> svn_54, x86_64 also :P
[10:48:08] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: huh?
[10:48:09] <cmihai> Hell no
[10:48:11] <quasi> lasseoe: sounds odd - none of the apaches I have handy do that
[10:48:14] <cmihai> I just get the DVD && do liveupgrades
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[10:48:35] <cmihai> You can mount it via lofiadm, so no need to burn it either. Just do the thing remote via ssh.
[10:48:36] <razrX> kool, the zfs iscsi bits are here :)
[10:48:51] <Gr|ffous> but you have the snv53 dvd, 54 comes out, and you must then download the entire 54 dvd right?
[10:49:00] <razrX> Gr|ffous: oc
[10:49:03] <lasseoe> quasi: yes it's a bit worrying to be honest
[10:49:46] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: that's the sucky part.
[10:49:48] <cmihai> That reminds me...
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[10:50:38] <Gr|ffous> There must be some way of doing a diff of some kind to save some bandwidth
[10:50:39] <quasi> lasseoe: homegrown version or?
[10:50:44] <lasseoe> quasi: yes
[10:51:01] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: 2GB like every 2 weeks?
[10:51:05] <razrX> Gr|ffous: that is why i like the open|freebsd cvs method
[10:51:15] <quasi> lasseoe: how does the Listen statements look? 0.0.0.0:80 or *:80?
[10:51:18] <cmihai> cvsup is faster ;)
[10:51:37] <Gr|ffous> cmihai, that's ok if you have high speed. in NZ it's a problem, eh Gman?
[10:51:38] <cmihai> But that has little to do with anything :]
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[10:51:49] <razrX> just cvsup the latest sources, build your world, kernel, install kernel and installword to keep kernel and userland in sync and you're good to go
[10:51:53] <Gman> Gr|ffous, carrier pigeon is quicker :)
[10:52:04] <Gr|ffous> hehe
[10:52:12] <lasseoe> quasi: interesting, if I start it up without SSL then it doesn't listen on port 0
[10:52:20] <cmihai> Gman: RFC1149 ?
[10:52:21] <Gr|ffous> razrX, that is for bfu though right? rather the sx-cr?
[10:52:35] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: not really. You only get ON
[10:52:36] <razrX> i come from the bsd world but there's plenty i like in solaris
[10:52:37] <cmihai> With BFU
[10:52:40] <razrX> Gr|ffous: only ON
[10:52:45] <razrX> not everything is in sync then
[10:52:59] <quasi> lasseoe: hmm, are we talking 1.3 or 2.x?
[10:53:12] <g4lt-U60> never underestimate the bandwith of a station wagon full of tapes ;P
[10:53:14] <Gr|ffous> jigdo is for this kind of thing isn't it?
[10:53:15] <razrX> that said, the sxcr builds also are not updated totally
[10:53:23] <razrX> manpages come into mind
[10:53:48] <cmihai> g4lt-U60: Tanembaum?
[10:53:53] <Gr|ffous> :/
[10:53:55] <lasseoe> quasi: 1.3.34
[10:54:00] <Gr|ffous> there must be a better way
[10:54:03] <razrX> the iscsi bits are not yet documented in zfs(1M) on snv_54
[10:54:20] <g4lt-U60> cmihai, allegedly, but there is some doubt as to the originator
[10:54:47] <Gr|ffous> I don't mind compiling, (ran gentoo for years) but I can't have out of sync software. I like my system in one piece.
[10:55:01] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: stick to releases?
[10:55:18] <cmihai> Or at least tested SX builds?
[10:55:21] <lasseoe> quasi: after restarting it, it doesn't listen on port 0 anymore
[10:55:22] <razrX> exactly
[10:55:27] <quasi> lasseoe: using apache-ssl rather than mod_ssl?
[10:55:46] <hali> or download sxcr every six months and just bfu the other releases
[10:55:47] <Gr|ffous> cmihai, that's the 1Gb/week method right? SX-CR?
[10:55:59] <cmihai> No
[10:56:12] <cmihai> SX-CR is the comunity release
[10:56:31] <razrX> ie, untested
[10:56:44] <cmihai> I think there's like a Solaris Express 11/06 or something
[10:56:47] <Gr|ffous> oh, sorry, I do have that backwards
[10:56:57] <cmihai> They give support for that and stuff
[10:56:59] <Gr|ffous> I'm on snv_53, SX sorry
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[10:57:19] <lasseoe> quasi: uhm don't remember, but I think it's mod_ssl
[10:57:42] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: think Debian releases, testing and current :P.
[10:58:07] <Gr|ffous> either way, you download the entire release, just to update 2 weeks worth, or 1 month(ish) of changes, correct?
[10:58:10] <cmihai> Now combine that with OpenBSD snapshots and you have a clear picture. I think.
[10:58:19] <quasi> lasseoe: then I don't know - with the other one I would suspect a connection to the gcache
[10:58:38] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: it depends on how you look at it. To me, 2.5GB is 1 hour of download tops
[10:58:46] <Gr|ffous> sorry, I do understand the differences between the releases, it's just the upgrade process that's confusing me.
[10:59:03] <Gr|ffous> ah, meanwhile it's several days for me
[10:59:06] <richlowe> You need the media, yes.
[10:59:07] <lasseoe> quasi: ok, let me find out
[10:59:08] <cmihai> Ouch
[10:59:08] <richlowe> and yes, that is annoying.
[10:59:37] <richlowe> especially at the rate the media seems to be growing.
[11:00:17] <richlowe> (Nevada's two CDs larger than 10 now, right?)
[11:00:36] <cmihai> 2.7GB
[11:00:54] <Gr|ffous> Right, well I'll be back. I need to reboot apparently
[11:01:02] <cmihai> Compared to 3GB for Sol 10
[11:01:03] <cmihai> Hm.. odd
[11:01:14] <cmihai> 3.0G Dec 12 17:23 Solaris-10-u3.iso
[11:01:23] <cmihai> 2.7G Dec 19 10:26 sol-nv-b54-x86-dvd.iso
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[11:01:40] <lasseoe> quasi: mod_ssl/2.8.25
[11:01:46] <razrX> snv_54 iso is roughly 100megs larger than snv_53 on x64/x86
[11:02:02] <richlowe> I think all of that extra is soffice8 v. soffice7
[11:02:12] <richlowe> (between 53 and 54)
[11:02:28] <razrX> richlowe:  /opt/staroffice8 caught me as new in 54 ?
[11:02:39] <cmihai> About time I say
[11:03:26] <quasi> lasseoe: then it really shouldn't - I haven't bumped into that in the time I've worked with mod_ssl
[11:04:43] <razrX> hmm, bringing /opt under zfs control is something i might steer clear from in the future ... system/filesystem/local doesn't like that since a new /opt is created and then the zfs /opt mount won't mount automagically
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[11:05:37] <hali> how far away is native ZFS root support, with the ZFS checkbox in the insaller and all that?
[11:05:48] <razrX> i have to mv stuff from freshly created /opt (SUNWits , staroffice8 to my zfs /opt , rmdir /opt , zfs mount mypool/opt and then svcadm clear system/filesystem/local and all is well again
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[11:06:31] <lplatypus> to me, 2.5Gb is one third of my monthly download allowance
[11:06:40] <razrX> something i can live with but surprised me twice after the luupgrade process
[11:06:49] <razrX> should expect it by now
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[11:09:44] <lasseoe> quasi: ok, I'll keep investigating
[11:10:46] <lasseoe> quasi: I reckon it's a bug in Apache (or mod_ssl, php), everything looks fine after restarting it
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[11:18:32] <Gr|ffous> ok, I don't have any options in my bios for reassigning the IRQ of the soundcard, I tried changing the nic, but no joy there. They are both still using irq according to mdb
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[11:21:32] <Gr|ffous> is it safe to try and unload the soundcard module?
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[11:25:47] <Gr|ffous> hmm, ok that doesn't work anyway
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[11:37:58] <dwc-> you want to make them NOT use an irq at all? then you'll have to disable them
[11:38:56] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to work out if it's simply a contension issue, or if the problem is bigger then that
[11:40:18] <cmihai> SunOS cmsol 5.11 snv_54 i86pc i386 i86pc Success :]
[11:40:27] <cmihai> And now, why does the trash always look full? :]
[11:41:10] <Doc> hmm.. i think SunTAN has caught avian flu :(
[11:41:25] <GoodKarma> how so, Doc?
[11:42:09] <GoodKarma> does that mean we're all infected already?
[11:43:59] <cmihai> Crap, svn_54 JDS is pretty weird
[11:44:10] <cmihai> It won't delete my recent document either... everybody can see my pr0n!
[11:45:59] <Gr|ffous> where can I find a changelog for svn_54?
[11:47:17] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: yo, can you clear recent documents in JDS?
[11:48:18] <Gr|ffous> hmm, no...
[11:48:33] <cmihai> Bug ;\
[11:48:50] <cmihai> Guess I'll upgrade back to Vermillion 55
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[11:50:01] <Gr|ffous> how involved is it to run ordinary gnome rather then jds?
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[11:51:44] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: why?
[11:51:48] <cmihai> JDS is pretty nice
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[11:52:00] <cmihai> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/ for a more current version
[11:52:17] <Gr|ffous> I'd like to have a panel for applications at the bottom, and the main pane at the top
[11:52:56] <cmihai> Gr|ffous: you can have that
[11:53:06] <cmihai> Right mouse -add panel on the bottom panel
[11:53:29] <cmihai> http://www.myl.ro/forum/sources/Gallery/display.php?t=f&id=524&ext=jpg - like this?
[11:54:03] <Gr|ffous> yeah, but probably the other way around
[11:54:15] <cmihai> Heh
[11:54:18] <cmihai> Just drag & drop
[11:54:36] <Gr|ffous> hmm, ok so I have an extra panel, now how do I make the application go there?
[11:54:48] <cmihai> Right mouse - add task something
[11:54:52] <cmihai> Erm.. read the gnome manual? :)
[11:55:28] <Stric> middle click on the top left thing in the screenshot cmihai pasted, then drag it to the panel you want
[11:55:34] <Gr|ffous> no I mean the applications that are launched, in that screenshot they go to the top panel, mine are staying on the bottom one
[11:55:51] <Stric> right click and deselect "lock position" or sthg if it's not there
[11:56:41] <cmihai> Just right click the bottom une
[11:56:43] <cmihai> one
[11:56:48] <cmihai> And go to New Panel
[11:56:53] <cmihai> Then right click the top one that appears
[11:57:15] <cmihai> Add to panel - window list
[11:57:36] <Gr|ffous> ah ha!
[11:57:41] <Gr|ffous> thanks
[11:57:48] <Gr|ffous> now we're looking cooler ;)
[12:00:12] <Gr|ffous> Is there an easy way to make the same change on my remaining desktops?
[12:00:45] <Gr|ffous> Well, displays I mean
[12:01:00] <cmihai> What
[12:01:14] <Gr|ffous> I have three displays
[12:01:18] <cmihai> It should show on all panels
[12:01:29] <cmihai> If you're using TwinView or some dual-triple head thing
[12:01:32] <cmihai> That's different
[12:01:40] <Gr|ffous> :)
[12:02:18] <Gr|ffous> I'd always used xinerama under linux, I decided to just try having three separate heads this time around - gets around all the window placement issues, and I don't tend to drag between them anyway
[12:02:26] <cmihai> Right.
[12:02:37] <cmihai> Well, figure it out from your config.
[12:02:51] <cmihai> I'm exiting JDS to install Vermillion 55
[12:05:20] <Gr|ffous> ok, thanks for you help
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[12:36:12] <GoodKarma> meh
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[12:44:59] <cmihai> Great, it b0rked
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[12:45:25] <cmihai> It's times like theese you really come to appreciate /altroot ;)
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[12:50:58] <razrX> cmihai: SunOS cmsol 5.11 snv_54 i86pc i386 i86pc Success :] <-- gratz :p
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[12:51:11] <cmihai> SunOS cmsol 5.11 snv_53 i86pc i386 i86pc
[12:51:14] <cmihai> altroot :P
[12:51:23] <cmihai> Bleeding JDS 55 borked it ;)
[12:51:33] <razrX> hmmpf
[12:51:37] <razrX> bugger
[12:51:48] <cmihai> Indeed
[12:52:09] <cmihai> Though it doesn't fix the clear recent documents issue anyway
[12:52:55] <razrX> well, never liked gnome anyways so i'll be going the hard route to get e17 on my system once again
[12:53:19] <cmihai> Eh
[12:53:25] <cmihai> Is that even possible?
[12:53:34] <cmihai> I know E16 works but..
[12:53:38] <razrX> sure it is
[12:53:52] <razrX> i've run dr17 twice on a sxcr release already
[12:53:53] <cmihai> So it does build on Solaris...
[12:54:06] <cmihai> E17 development has always been so.. linux-centric.
[12:54:10] <cmihai> Doesn't work on OpenBSD anyway.
[12:54:17] <razrX> yeah, but you do need some blastwave packages to lower the pain threshold
[12:54:41] <razrX> like recent versions of gnu automake/conf iirc
[12:54:48] <razrX> *more recent
[12:55:13] <razrX> like i said, it's been a while for me
[12:55:25] <razrX> but i've done it in the past so i hope to do it again :p
[12:57:35] <razrX> cmihai: http://lordsith.net/blog/archives/2006_01_01_archive.html (got most of the hints tips from ben rockwood's blog though)
[12:58:34] <razrX> my god, snv_27
[12:58:52] <razrX> the magic 27a with 1st zfs release iirc
[12:59:05] <cmihai> Heh
[13:00:17] <cmihai> "most simple actions like closing an xterm or alt-tabbing to the next app would cause e17 to segfault almost all the time."
[13:00:25] <cmihai> Sounds stable :)
[13:00:37] <razrX> read on :)
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[13:01:55] <razrX> happy browsing thru benr's blog i'd say ;)
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[13:26:57] <quasi> lasseoe: it sure sounds odd
[13:28:35] <lasseoe> yup
[13:30:00] <quasi> the only things I could think of is something to do with the mutexes or if you have distcache session cache support
[13:31:06] <lasseoe> everything's looking fine still
[13:31:34] <lasseoe> well.. I'm in the process of building a new server,everything will be migrated and installed with newer versions
[13:31:43] <lasseoe> the fact that it's ok now is somethingat least
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[13:36:08] <jteo> re.
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[13:41:13] <kimc> helloo opensol
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[14:08:12] <aliquis> Gr|ffous: Yes, I do get the DVD for each upgrade, but Sun sends it to me at 6MB/s so it's ok, I even remove it when I'm done all the time and in case I need to use it for getting a package or whatever later I just download it again ;/
[14:09:00] <aliquis> razrX: Took way longer time for me to compare all the source tree of freebsd/openbsd using cvs than getting the whole DVD from sun each time
[14:11:12] <razrX> aliquis: you mean just getting the source by running cvsup -g /path/to/cvsup.file ?
[14:11:48] <aliquis> Yes, as far as I remember any method of it took some time
[14:12:53] <aliquis> Maybe it's just that it feelt much slower when you had no progress bar
[14:14:31] <razrX> perhaps
[14:16:26] <razrX> a fast and local cvsup mirror helped lots too ;)
[14:23:34] <aliquis> So how long time does it generally take then? Also I guess I upgraded ports/pkgsrc at the same time all the times aswell
[14:25:23] <aliquis> http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/135074/solaris_10_heads_for_linux_territory/index.html   "Both the Gnome-based Common Development Environment and Java Desktop System user interfaces are offered."
[14:26:09] <Stric> close but no banana
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[14:30:45] <Gman> mutter mutter mutter
[14:31:19] <Cyrille> the gnome-based cde? That's a new one...
[14:32:08] * delewis wonders what urges people to write about things they have no clue about
[14:37:29] <mustang> methinks there's a juxtaposition there
[14:39:23] <jamesd_> gotta love how they rave about the power and security and bitch about the complexity so that Linux still comes out ahead.... but fail to mention the hardcore sysadmins  can't use gui's to maintain 500 boxes
[14:40:42] <razrX> jamesd_: yup, very true
[14:41:05] <razrX> ALOM ftw
[14:41:30] <hile_> nah, not alom... I'll take a real 6800-class SC over ALOM
[14:42:31] <razrX> hile_: never had the pleasure of managing a 6800 before
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[15:02:38] <cmihai> Anybody with TwinView in Solaris?
[15:02:42] <cmihai> I have a small issue...
[15:03:03] <cmihai> How do you setup xorg so when you maximize an app, it won't stretch on both desktops?
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[15:06:01] <tomww> strech on both desktops?
[15:06:43] <tomww> what kind of screen do you get? 1:1 the same on both, or both screens with separate contents?
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[15:13:47] <edp> cmihai, do you have 'xinerama on' in your X config file?
[15:14:04] <cmihai> edp: no, TwinView
[15:14:19] <cmihai> tomww: stretching the desktop on both
[15:14:26] <cmihai> But when I maximize a window, it does so on both. I hate that
[15:14:41] <edp> i know.. but it's possible to have xinerama=on in the X config but still use twinview
[15:14:54] <cmihai> And NVIDIA had an option to prevent that... but my home system is offline, so I can't check
[15:15:03] <edp> in which case the twinview setting will override the standard xinerama
[15:15:04] <cmihai> edp: and how would that help?
[15:15:23] <edp> Be aware that the NVIDIA driver cannot provide the Xinerama extension if the X server's own Xinerama extension is being used.
[15:15:36] <edp> that's a quote from the nvidia driver readme
[15:16:00] <edp> Xinerama is used so that apps can query screen dimensions, etc.
[15:17:56] <edp> for example, i use twinview and i had the same problem, and flipping to 'xinerama off' in xorg fixed the maximization problem
[15:19:02] <jteo> because xinerama makes it appear as one giant screen to apps
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[15:40:28] <jteo> wb Gman.
[15:40:34] <Gman> howdy
[15:41:14] <jteo> bro's wedding went well I hope.
[15:41:15] <edp> jteo, yes, but doesn't xinerama also provide the functionality for an app (e.g. the windowmanager) to query X for information about the separate monitors to make for maximization on only a single monitor?
[15:41:53] <jteo> edp: i'm no expert. Maybe it requires that apps actually do that (ie. query X for xinerama info about separate monitors)
[15:41:58] <Gman> jteo, yep, all married and on their honeymoon in argentina
[15:43:07] <edp> jteo, i'm no expert either but i know that window managers require you to compile them with xinerama support in order for them to do the maximization properly
[15:43:26] <jteo> edp: precisely. :)
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[16:06:18] <timeless> Size of files being indexed = -1822513569 B, Total #of files = 54141
[16:06:21] <timeless> :(
[16:13:18] <jteo> ?
[16:13:23] <jbk> does that mean it gives you space back on your filesystem? :)
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[16:13:36] <timeless> i guess so
[16:13:49] <timeless> i already had an app that ntupplified my space
[16:13:56] <timeless> why not one that gives space back?
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[16:17:22] <onbot> commit by jonathan haslam:  6436284 ::dtrace dumps core if given anonymous trace state; 6488973 Implement DTrace ECB walker; 6504126 pid provider probemod test for DTrace test suite
[16:17:22] <onbot> commit by af:  4432333 bus error executing bogus pipeline; 6309373 mdb dumps core in elt_print with assertion failure; 6381180 mdb's genunix module uses DEBUG version of struct, doesn't work on non-DEBUG kernels; 6385034 ::head / mdb_set_pipe() interact badly with VCBs
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[16:30:17] <PerterB> hmmm.... when is a disk device not a disk device? http://pastebin.ca/285020
[16:36:46] <RaD|Tz> there
[16:36:47] <RaD|Tz> xD
[16:37:34] <PerterB> well yes
[16:37:40] <PerterB> which is rather irksome
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[16:41:10] <aliquis> delewis: My solenv1 should be on c0d0s0 and solenv2 on c0d0s3, I've ran luactivate solenv1 but when I reboot the grub menu only contains solenv2, is that because the wrong grub configuration  is loaded or what? In the grub menu I've tried pressing e on solenv2 and replace the hdd part from "d" to "a" and booted but then the machine loads the new kernel and I get some server I never get the time to read and the machi
[16:41:10] <aliquis> ne reboots again. I've checked /etc/vfstab for c0d0s0 partition and atleast / is mounted from c0d0s0 so I don't know what goes wrong.
[16:43:52] <aliquis> It would have helped if I actually read and didn't forgot to reboot with init ;)
[16:44:29] <cmihai> edp: I set it to 0 and it works now. There wasn't any reference to it before, but anywho
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[16:44:33] <cmihai> Thanks.
[16:44:38] <cmihai> edp: now it's perfect :]
[16:45:40] <edp> no problem
[16:46:09] <cmihai> Took a while to figure out.. also using KVM
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[16:50:48] <Ludo_> hi
[16:50:59] <Ludo_> i have a question about solaris and a storage device
[16:51:16] <Ludo_> i show 9 LUNs through a SAN at a qlogic hba
[16:51:37] <Ludo_> and my last LUNs has not the same device mapping
[16:51:45] <Ludo_> http://pastebin.ca/285029
[16:52:10] <Ludo_> do you know why I don't have a c2t0d8s0 file
[16:52:11] <Ludo_> ?
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[16:52:43] <hile_> uh, you do?
[16:52:46] <hile_> on line 11
[16:56:02] <Ludo_> yes line 11
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[17:14:03] <aliquis> The result was the same as with ,a in grub anyway, it boots but crashes, http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crashcn0.jpg is all you can see (or can't since it's shown for such a short amount of time)
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[17:29:50] <Darwin> hi
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[17:37:49] <Ludo_> hile_: why it's different between this two volume?
[17:42:43] <hile_> What are you asking?
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[17:43:23] <onbot> commit by gt29601:  6493074 zero decoded to incorrect value by XDR on Soalris 10 x86
[17:47:03] <Ludo_> hile_: on my paste bin, i don't understand why one device has a c2t0d1 and the c2t0d8 has only c2t0d8s*
[17:47:16] <Ludo_> and no file device without s
[17:47:27] <delewis> Ludo_, disk label perhaps?
[17:47:34] <Ludo_> yes
[17:47:39] <Ludo_> hmm no
[17:47:58] <delewis> kind of hard to have slices without a disk label, if I'm not mistaken.
[17:48:09] <Ludo_> i try to make disk label, but i don't understand what is the difference between my two devices
[17:48:24] <Ludo_> i have slices in both case
[17:48:43] <Ludo_> but in one case i don't have the short device "c2t0d8"
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[17:49:39] <delewis> devfsadm, perhaps?
[17:50:56] <jbk> anyone know off the top of their head, if I just need to make a boot server so I can do a flar install, can I get by with just cd 1?
[17:51:09] <delewis> jbk, yes
[17:51:38] <delewis> that or you can do a custom Jumpstart and use the flar as the installation media.
[17:53:07] <jbk> well i have 4 systems i need to install, with no network, so my idea was to make my laptop (running b51) a boot server, stick our flar image on there, and do that.. and I don't want to have to download all 5 cds
[17:53:34] <delewis> that'd be the quickest way then
[17:55:00] <|tsoome|> look setup_install_server -b option
[17:55:11] <|tsoome|> man, that is
[17:55:22] <|tsoome|> you need only a miniroot
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[17:56:51] <Ludo_> delewis: i already did it
[17:57:28] <Ludo_> but it's possible to have some slices without the short device?
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[18:03:43] <kim0> sounds dumb, but I was supposed to get a preconfigured solaris Xen image from
[18:03:44] <kim0> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=8&PartDetailId=Sol-XEN-44-DEV-G-F&TransactionId=try
[18:04:02] <kim0> But I get "For sale products are now available through alternate venues. In order to continue, you must select your for sale or free product from the Download Center home page. Please click on the "Download Center" link at the top of the page"
[18:04:18] <kim0> I'm lost afterwards :(
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[18:04:55] <quasi> I haven't seen xen images, but I've seen vmware ready images before
[18:05:25] <quasi> actually, that link works perfectly well for me
[18:05:37] <kim0> quasi: try to download
[18:06:31] <kim0> is it broken
[18:07:38] <quasi> kim0: no, it works just fine with the download manager
[18:08:02] <kim0> I didnt wanna use it ...
[18:08:05] <kim0> maybe I have to
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[18:08:49] <quasi> regular download works just as well
[18:10:23] <kim0> eh ... it is working now
[18:10:40] <kim0> weird ...
[18:11:00] <kim0> I guess I cant use wget to download that, right
[18:11:19] <kim0> coz I wanna download somewhere else, where I've got bandwidth
[18:11:24] <quasi> no, wget should be fine
[18:11:34] <quasi> I usually use wget
[18:11:40] <kim0> me too ..
[18:12:11] <quasi> as long as you remember -O filename
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[18:12:21] <kim0> yes ... it's working now :)
[18:12:22] <kim0> cool
[18:12:41] <kim0> I thought the link, was linked to my authentication info
[18:12:50] <kim0> so it wouldnt work on other machines
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[18:13:03] <kim0> I guess it's a ticket that expires, eh
[18:13:34] <quasi> yes, it is
[18:13:54] <kim0> quasi: that's great ..... I will finally run solaris under Xen ...... hurray :)
[18:13:57] <kim0> thanks a lot man
[18:14:26] <kim0> installing solaris on xen, was super tough :)
[18:14:35] <quasi> no problem - thanks for pointing at the image - I've been wanting to test Xen as well
[18:14:46] <kim0> I wonder why everything on solaris has to be tougher than Linux :)
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[18:15:17] <quasi> it's what keeps the paychecks comming ;)
[18:15:28] <dunc> lol
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[18:15:40] <tsoome> tougher than linux?!
[18:15:53] <kim0> yeah honestly man :)
[18:15:56] <tsoome> I think it's vice versa;)
[18:16:02] <dunc> like, almost anything yeah
[18:16:03] <kim0> install fedora under xen, it's a breeze
[18:16:23] <quasi> tsoome: I agree - long term, solaris is a much easier os to run
[18:16:29] <tsoome> who the hell needs a xen:)
[18:16:35] <kim0> make a pxe network installation server (Linux 5 minutes, solaris .....read many docs & gave up ..)
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[18:17:02] <kim0> dont know if it's just me ...
[18:17:04] <quasi> kim0: http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/09/20/T23_43_37/index.html - is all it takes
[18:18:18] <bougie> hello :)
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[18:18:28] <quasi> (but sure, it took me a little bit of time to get to that knowledge, but that's also got to do with the jumpstart docs not being updated in many years)
[18:18:32] <kim0> :) well, on Linux, you mount the iso, extract the kernel/initrd, cp them to pxe server & boot :)
[18:18:49] <tsoome> thats too complicated
[18:19:03] <dunc> you can see that there's potential for a lot of coolness with jumpstarting though
[18:19:08] <dunc> which makes the extra work cool
[18:19:15] <tsoome> only thing I do is start setup_install_server script;)
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[18:19:31] <dunc> but... lots of things are much more work on solaris i agree
[18:19:37] <kim0> make_client -f x4100
[18:19:54] <kim0> lol this stuff makes me feel like a windows admin in the unix world
[18:20:38] <kim0> anyway, I will take the plunge, hope to feel as comfy on solaris, as with my penguin
[18:21:01] <tsoome> keep in mind that solaris is not linux
[18:21:17] <tsoome> and docs are for reading, not just to waste a disk space
[18:21:35] <jamesd> kim0, try ZFS and zones and you will  love how easy it is to forget  raid/lvm and chroot  crap.
[18:21:43] <kim0> I understand the steps/commands are gonna be different. They just dont have to be 10 times longer
[18:21:51] <tsoome> ?!
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[18:21:59] <kim0> jamesd: yes, just saw a ZFS video on sun.com ....... wow
[18:22:08] <kim0> this pooled storage thing rox so bad
[18:22:15] <tsoome> what about all those --use-this-nice-switch in linux?!
[18:22:29] <kim0> tsoome: ? u dislike this ?
[18:22:36] <tsoome> of course
[18:22:36] <kim0> tsoome: easy to remember switches
[18:22:41] <tsoome> easy?!
[18:22:55] <kim0> tsoome: all options have short&long forms
[18:23:00] <kim0> use whatever u like
[18:23:26] <jamesd> if they are so damm easy to remember why am i running   man  some command.. just to remember the long ones.. but short ones are always in my memory well at least usually
[18:23:32] * tsoome had to get contents of rpm one day
[18:24:03] <kim0> so you guys actually think solaris is easier to use than Linux ?
[18:24:04] <tsoome> even experienced linux admins were unable to give a correct switches in a some 20 minutes....
[18:24:23] <kim0> why memo when u can man!
[18:24:38] <rydis> rpm2cpio, then just extract? How hard is that?
[18:24:39] <kim0> I am experienced & dont memo most switches
[18:24:42] <jamesd> kim0, if you can find the apps you need in binary or if they are at least easy to port, then solaris is easier.
[18:24:53] <kim0> cool
[18:24:57] <kim0> then there is hope
[18:25:10] <tsoome> well, linux manuals are  not exactly the best example of well written manuals;)
[18:25:17] <jamesd> especially if the task is going to need to scale to more than just one little server.
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[18:30:22] <tsoome> rydis: you can actually get the contents of rpm with... rpm command;)
[18:30:45] <tsoome> it's only pita to find out the correct switches;)
[18:30:58] <rydis> I'm sure you can. I don't believe I have that particular program installed on my linux box, though...
[18:31:19] <kim0> what do u wanna do with rpm ?
[18:31:30] <kim0> jus get file name ? rpm -qp some.rpm
[18:31:38] <kim0> s/name/names/
[18:31:59] <kim0> actually, rpm -qlp some.rpm
[18:32:04] <tsoome> I don't want to do anything any more;)
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[18:32:25] <kim0> ah .. gave up, like I hope I dont on the other side
[18:32:52] <onbot> commit by Siddheshwar Mahesh:  6466257 incorrect NFS attribute caching due excessive reliance on r_mtime
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[18:34:20] <tsoome> but sure, there is a lot of nonsense in solaris as well - for instance, why are dhcp symbols needed for solaris boot preinstalled with solaris dhcp server:)
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[18:35:10] <kim0> I just downloaded Solaris10U3, and now this minimal build44. Can I install packages from the 10U3 isos on the snv44 machine
[18:35:16] <tsoome> despite they are nicely documented in docs.sun.com, it's still quite stupid...
[18:35:33] * kim0 has no idea what that dhcp problem is :)
[18:37:00] <jamesd> kim0, most likely  if you downloaded a full build 44  or perferably  build 54, it probably has newer parts in build44+ .... update 3 is back ported patches from solaris express..
[18:38:04] <kim0> cool then. I think that Xen image is only 44
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[18:58:22] <jamesd> is sun ready for this threat... lovely documents on how to move from an opensource platform to a illegal expensive commercial platform... http://www-03.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/aixpert?entry=new_redbook_solaris_to_aix  just what everyone wants.
[18:59:34] <Auralis> those books are great, since one can use them the other way around as well :)
[19:00:30] <quasi> jamesd: aix is illegal?
[19:01:04] <jamesd> i think SCO had the judge put an oder in place that makes it illegal for IBM to sell new copies.
[19:01:07] <alanc> if you believe everything SCO's lawyers are smoking
[19:01:32] <quasi> jamesd: sco is gunning for linux, not aix
[19:01:47] <alanc> SCO asked for an order against AIX, but I thought they didn't get it
[19:01:53] <jamesd> sco is grasping at straws, they will take any little thing they can get.
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[19:02:35] <donofrioatwork> anyone know of a DBAN for solaris.....got big volumes that need to be wipe and do not want to use a hammer
[19:03:36] <alanc> quasi: SCO is gunning for anything they can hit, but have so far only hit their own foots
[19:03:41] <alanc> err, feet
[19:03:57] <quasi> donofrioatwork: dd
[19:04:14] <quasi> alanc: yeah, they've pretty much lost out
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[19:11:28] <quasi> getting veeery close to the $1 stock price that will get them booted from nasdaq
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[19:25:33] <pikapika> hello
[19:25:44] <jamesd> hola
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[20:08:03] <sunnyDay> I had downloaded and built open solaris 54 (on sxcr 46) ; Now, I want to build a module I developed; which include path should I give when compiling this module?
[20:08:42] <sunnyDay> naturally, I would expect using the b54 tree and NOT /usr/include since /uar/include is from b46
[20:13:50] <sunnyDay> anybody ?
[20:17:51] <sunnyDay> ?? anybody hear me ?
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[20:24:59] <Hjalmar> If I try to read a pdf-document with Firefox and SXCR 53 Sparc, then Acrobat starts, the file loads and the screen remains blank. Any ideas?
[20:29:04] <sommerfeld> sunnyDay: still here?
[20:30:43] <sommerfeld> sunnyDay: A full build will produce a "proto area" tree in $WS/proto/root_$ISA which is laid out the same as an installed system
[20:31:19] <sommerfeld> ($WS being the workspace root, $ISA being either "sparc" or "i386")
[20:31:33] <sommerfeld> there's a usr/include in there
[20:32:50] <sunnyDay> sommerfeld, thnks; I noticed there is that "proto area"; I will use it
[20:33:46] <Hjalmar> How do I start Acrobat without Firefox?
[20:35:14] <kim0> acroread ?
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[20:35:36] <Hjalmar> Yes I guess
[20:37:23] <kim0> so type that in a terminal
[20:38:58] <tsoome> I guess some pdf reader could be found from some gnome manu as well;)
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[20:39:34] <tsoome> or just double click from file browser;)
[20:41:01] <Hjalmar> Failed to load image /usr/share...
[20:41:45] <Hjalmar> Fatal error in PNG image file
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[20:43:28] <pseudoXh4> Anyone know anything about Intel 3945 support via ndiswrapper?
[20:47:36] <Hjalmar> Opensolaris still seems to be very incomplete. Does Acroread work in Solaris 10?
[20:47:56] <charlieS> yes...
[20:48:09] <tsoome> opensolaris is a development version of solaris
[20:48:20] <tsoome> so how it can be complete?!
[20:48:35] <cmihai> Hjalmar: incomplete?
[20:48:37] <charlieS> acroread exists.. is it just not in your PATH?
[20:48:38] <cmihai> What do you mean
[20:48:45] <sickness> incomplete? it actually has MORE features and MORE software than "old" solaris10...
[20:49:02] <sickness> only thing is that a lot of those softwares, or features, are "work in progress" ;)
[20:49:03] <cmihai> And iirc Adobe only released Acroread 7 for SPARC and HP-UX and all tha crap
[20:49:06] <cmihai> Not for x86.
[20:49:21] <cmihai> And if you're on x86, you're stuck with evince/xpdf/gpdf/acroread4/whatever
[20:49:59] <charlieS> but evince/xpdf/gpdf doesn't come with solaris.. so, it's like, not as good as Linux, right?
[20:50:15] <cmihai> ...
[20:50:16] * charlieS snickers
[20:50:20] <cmihai> evice does come with solaris ;P
[20:50:27] <charlieS> oh, shucks
[20:50:27] <sickness> so Linux is not as good as windows because it doesn't come with IE?
[20:50:28] <cmihai> Evince. It's part of JDS :P
[20:50:37] * cmihai pokes charlieS in the eye
[20:50:51] <sickness> :P
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[20:51:18] <cmihai> Fucking odd that Adobe would make a HP-UX version of the latest and greatest version of Acroread that 2 people use
[20:51:22] <cmihai> But not one for Solaris x86.
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[20:51:41] <sickness> maybe that 2 people are big incs that pay zillions of dollars ;)
[20:51:52] <charlieS> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=facetious
[20:51:55] <sickness> who knows...
[20:52:51] <cmihai> Who the hell would use HP-UX as a desktop, heh
[20:53:04] <tsoome> .oO same for solaris;)
[20:53:30] <charlieS> :)
[20:53:52] <cmihai> tsoome: not really
[20:54:01] <cmihai> Well, Solaris x86 anyway.
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[20:55:31] <pseudoXh4> I used Solaris x86 as a desktop once.
[20:55:31] <pseudoXh4> Good times.
[20:55:42] <pseudoXh4> Well, as a laptop.
[20:55:42] <pseudoXh4> Bah, portable desktop. Same diff.
[20:55:43] <cmihai> heh
[20:56:32] * tsoome has used solaris (sparc&x86) as a desktop since 2.3
[20:57:02] <tsoome> but can't say it's a pleasure - especially with gnome
[20:57:40] <cmihai> Makes as good a desktop as any Loonix or BSD anyway
[20:57:59] <tsoome> well, it can't beat macos;)
[20:58:06] <cmihai> True
[20:58:13] <cmihai> And now the bastards have ZFS
[20:58:24] <tsoome> and sad to tell, but current desktop is... vista
[20:58:50] <cmihai> Christ no
[20:58:57] <cmihai> That's just horrible
[20:58:57] <tsoome> since somehow I have to convince my boss to buy a macbook pro;)
[20:59:08] <tsoome> less horrible than gnome
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[20:59:28] <cmihai> I have one of those weird senses of estetics
[20:59:36] <cmihai> And think CDE looks and feels a lot better than VISTA :P
[20:59:51] <tsoome> it's not about look&feel
[21:00:18] <tsoome> it's about how the environment is integrated and if you have apps etc...
[21:00:30] <cmihai> Huh
[21:01:16] <tsoome> but true, vista is just poor man's copy of macos;)
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[21:10:49] <edp> i still find it amusing that vista's graphics are only to the point where macos was 5 years ago
[21:11:42] <cmihai> edp: not really.
[21:11:47] <cmihai> Took 7 years to get Vista rolling.
[21:11:49] <cmihai> Sort of.
[21:11:56] <cmihai> It's still b0rken as hell
[21:12:17] <edp> osx has been out for 7 years already?
[21:12:31] <cmihai> We got like 50000 VLK activations for it here, and we're not releaseing the damn thing until we see a service pack...
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[21:13:07] <cmihai> It's unstable and different enough to comfuse most users.
[21:13:14] <pseudoxh4> From the install CD/DVD alone, can I tell whether or not my hardware will be supported on OpenSolaris?
[21:13:18] <edp> i've got to roll it out to 1100 PCs at some point but i'm not really looking forward to spending hundreds of hours migrating to an OS with zero improvements
[21:13:20] <pseudoxh4> Or is it largely a module/driver download thing?
[21:13:31] <cmihai> pseudoxh4: check the hardware compatibility java app thing on the HCL
[21:13:45] <cmihai> If you want to... try before you... install
[21:13:48] <pseudoxh4> Hardware compatibility java app thing?
[21:13:57] <cmihai> Yeah, it's where the HCL is
[21:14:02] <pseudoxh4> Isn't there some... failsafe console thingie on the install CD like on the Linsux CDs?
[21:14:16] <cmihai> Well, you can just erm.. start the installer
[21:14:19] <cmihai> You get a nice console
[21:14:24] <pseudoxh4> Cool.
[21:14:27] <pseudoxh4> Framebuffered and all? :P
[21:14:32] <cmihai> Framewhat?
[21:14:35] <pseudoxh4> Or oldschool? <3
[21:14:41] <cmihai> Are you coming from Gentoo?
[21:14:44] <pseudoxh4> No.
[21:14:53] <cmihai> I had that gentoobie-is-near feeling
[21:14:54] <pseudoxh4> NetBSD. :P
[21:14:57] <pseudoxh4> Nah.
[21:15:06] <cmihai> You get X or text.
[21:15:18] <pseudoxh4> Hm.
[21:15:24] <cmihai> Well, some Motif thing... and Jaba.
[21:15:29] <cmihai> Bah, you'll see.
[21:15:38] <cmihai> But that's really just one way to install.
[21:15:38] <pseudoxh4> I will indeed. ;)
[21:16:00] <cmihai> Once you jumpstart, you'll never go back ;P
[21:16:05] <pseudoxh4> Wasn't there like a choice between JumpStart and Interactive or something?
[21:16:16] <cmihai> Yep
[21:16:24] <pseudoxh4> Hm.
[21:16:47] <pseudoxh4> Say, you wouldn't happen to know anything about who's working on Intel 3945 support, would you? :P
[21:16:56] <cmihai> Google?
[21:17:06] <pseudoxh4> Indeed, I used that.
[21:17:11] <cmihai> Anyway, if you manage to install most of your hardware is supported :P
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[21:17:15] <pseudoxh4> Got a link to the forum...
[21:17:27] <cmihai> Major worries are the SATA and RAID controllers anyway
[21:17:29] <pseudoxh4> And like, someone posted to e-mail some dudes about a beta/alpha NDIS driver..
[21:17:34] <pseudoxh4> E-mailed them 2 weeks ago, and no response. :(
[21:17:49] <pseudoxh4> Heh, I'm on a laptop.. I don't think that'll be much of a prob. ;)
[21:17:50] <cmihai> Once you install, you can use 3rd party drivers for unsupported hardware.
[21:17:55] <cmihai> Like opensound.com's oss for audio, etc.
[21:18:13] <pseudoxh4> Hm.
[21:18:14] <cmihai> Check opensolaris.org, there's a ton of drivers there in the comunities, etc. Just browse around
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[21:18:35] <pseudoxh4> I did... 200 times. ;)
[21:18:39] <pseudoxh4> No mention of Intel 3945ABG. :P
[21:18:50] <cmihai> Too bad so sad
[21:18:53] <cmihai> Get something supported
[21:18:55] <pseudoxh4> I know. :(
[21:18:58] <pseudoxh4> Heh.
[21:19:13] <pseudoxh4> I have a Ralink here........ but it's an RT73... which is not mentioned either.
[21:19:14] <pseudoxh4> Gah. :(
[21:19:57] <cmihai> I think there's some opensource drivers for that ported from some BSD
[21:19:59] <cmihai> google
[21:20:13] * pseudoxh4 opens links.
[21:21:20] <cmihai> elinks here ;]
[21:21:24] <pseudoxh4> :D
[21:21:57] <pseudoxh4> Hmm... you wouldn't happen to know if there exists a USB-to-PCMCIA interface, would you? :P
[21:22:17] <pseudoxh4> Like, something that plugs into the USB port that you can plug PCMCIA cards into?
[21:23:19] <cmihai> Ugh
[21:23:22] <cmihai> That's erm.. dumb?
[21:23:25] <pseudoxh4> I know.
[21:23:35] <cmihai> A USB wifi card is like 20$
[21:23:40] <pseudoxh4> Still, if there were one for a low price, I could use my PRISM cards. :P
[21:23:51] <cmihai> And then it wouldn't be supported
[21:24:00] <cmihai> Just buy a supported card or look for a driver.
[21:24:03] <pseudoxh4> Hah, yeah... didn't really think of that yet.
[21:24:04] <cmihai> And ndiswrapper crap?
[21:24:10] <cmihai> As in project EVIL?
[21:24:14] <cmihai> Forget about that.
[21:24:25] <pseudoxh4> Eh, I hear ndiswrapper crashes the kernel when using this particular card.
[21:24:26] <pseudoxh4> Hm.
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[21:25:03] <cmihai> erm, linuuux
[21:25:16] <pseudoxh4> What about it? :P
[21:25:45] <cmihai> ndiswrapper is such a linuxy windowsy evil thing it's best to just forget about it
[21:25:58] <pseudoxh4> Hm.
[21:26:34] <cmihai> It's probably unstable as hell
[21:26:49] <pseudoxh4> Perhaps, but eh... temporary solutions? :)
[21:26:58] <cmihai> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ndis - poke around then
[21:27:09] <pseudoxh4> Like right now... I'm suffering the wrath of blackbox...
[21:27:10] <pseudoxh4> :(
[21:27:35] <edp> what's wrong with blackbox?
[21:27:56] <pseudoxh4> It's alright... but the version I have installed is so... inconvenient.
[21:28:01] <cmihai> Blackbox like fluxbox openbox type of box? Sun project blackbox? What blackbox
[21:28:04] <pseudoxh4> I like fluxbox a lot more though.
[21:28:09] <pseudoxh4> The wm.
[21:28:10] <pseudoxh4> :)
[21:28:12] <edp> ah ok.. i use fluxbox
[21:28:17] <cmihai> Ugh
[21:28:18] <cmihai> horrible :P
[21:28:25] <pseudoxh4> I know. :P
[21:28:26] <edp> guess i didn't realize there was much of a difference between the two
[21:28:45] <pseudoxh4> Yeah, I didn't think so either.. that's why I was like "eh, why not?" when pkgsrc'ing a window manager. :P
[21:29:09] <cmihai> BSD is dead :P
[21:29:16] * cmihai hides
[21:29:19] <pseudoxh4> :/
[21:29:56] <cmihai> Didn't you see Jason Dixon's presentation? "BSD is dead" ?
[21:30:04] <pseudoxh4> Nope.
[21:30:10] <pseudoxh4> I guess I'll have to google that too.
[21:30:18] <cmihai> video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7833143728685685343
[21:30:54] <cmihai> BSD is dying ;P. It's really a pun. But it's worth seeing. Especially for the ending...
[21:32:06] <cmihai> Guy's an OpenBSD dude, so it's pretty much OpenBSD centric, but there's some NetBSD stuff too :)
[21:32:50] <elektronkind> heh jason dixon
[21:32:57] <elektronkind> we used to be cube mates
[21:33:22] <elektronkind> nice guy. I hooked him on using a mac
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[21:33:40] <cmihai> What ar the odds...
[21:33:42] <cmihai> elektronkind: cube mates?
[21:33:46] <elektronkind> yup
[21:33:49] <elektronkind> at digex.com
[21:33:54] <cmihai> You mean you got locked inside a n-dimension cube with a loonie?
[21:33:57] <cmihai> And tried to escape?
[21:33:58] <elektronkind> hehehe
[21:34:24] <elektronkind> our cubicles were next to each other. I worked on our solaris build, he did the linux build.
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[21:34:42] <cmihai> Heh
[21:34:45] <elektronkind> we spent many an hour ranting at each other about our respective OSes
[21:34:48] <pseudo> Damn Opera.. :(
[21:34:51] <cmihai> Cool
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[21:35:31] <cmihai> elektronkind: the build for what?
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[21:35:49] <elektronkind> but I always told him he was missing out by being a linux weenie... although that was just his job. He was always a bsd fan.
[21:36:20] <cmihai> Yeah, I never took him for a poser :P
[21:36:25] <cmihai> Eg: Linux weenie :)
[21:36:31] <elektronkind> cmihai: digex.com (now owned by Verizon) does managed hosting for many large companies. We had standard builds of the OSes we supported
[21:37:12] <cmihai> Oh, and they do(did) Solaris too?
[21:37:28] <elektronkind> it was my job to make packages, integrate new products, and whatnot into the solaris standard build, and he did the same thing, but with linux.
[21:37:41] <elektronkind> oh, solaris was the first (well, SunOS was)
[21:37:48] <cmihai> Cool
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[21:38:11] <elektronkind> by the time I left in 2004, it was solaris (sparc), RHEL3, and HP-UX.
[21:38:20] <elektronkind> supposedly they offer AIX now as well.
[21:38:58] <cmihai> That's rather unique.
[21:39:06] <cmihai> I take it they're using lpartitions/vpartitions
[21:39:43] <cmihai> Not many offer UNIX. It's all just Loonix and some rare occurances of BSD out there...
[21:39:54] <elektronkind> dunno. I suppose they would. I was the one who got them to take advantage (and realize the advantages of) DR when our first customer who wanted the sun fire x800 servers came along.
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[21:58:20] <Error_404> hey
[21:58:29] <pseudoXh4> HEY ERROR_404!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[21:58:59] <_william_> hi all
[21:59:04] <pseudoXh4> What, not returning the love? :(
[21:59:11] <pseudoXh4> HEY _william_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:59:28] <_william_> hi pseudoXh4
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[22:08:25] <aliquis> How can I see more than this http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crashcn0.jpg after an upgrade from snv 42 to snv 54?
[22:08:40] <moazamraja> question...
[22:09:02] <moazamraja> if i formated a disk on installation to leave 2GB of physical space unassigned
[22:09:19] <moazamraja> how come I dont see that 2GB of space when I run 'format' and use the 'part' command ?
[22:09:50] <bklang> moazamraja: like you said, it's unassigned.  Where were you expecting to see it?
[22:09:53] <tsoome> depends how exactly you did created this space
[22:10:04] <bklang> aliquis: have you tried a serial console?
[22:10:22] <moazamraja> bklang: well, i need to see it in such a way that i can now assign it
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[22:10:41] <moazamraja> (i'm not sure how the partition was created actually...asking the question for someone else :/ )
[22:10:55] <bklang> moazamraja: can you paste me (pm) the output?
[22:10:56] <tsoome> if you did left from fdisk.... bad luck
[22:11:00] <bklang> or pastebin
[22:11:05] <moazamraja> bklang: but yeah..you're right...
[22:11:15] <tsoome> if from solaris partition, you should be able to see it
[22:12:35] <moazamraja> pastebin is crashing..
[22:12:40] <moazamraja> funky
[22:14:09] <jmcp> aliquis: istr there was a thread about this in the last week or two, Gavin Maltby responded (ot'
[22:14:12] <jmcp> it's his area
[22:14:15] <moazamraja> http://pastebin.ca/285457
[22:14:56] <bklang> hah, that's a pretty funky layout
[22:14:59] <moazamraja> yuhp
[22:15:02] <moazamraja> thats what i said :)
[22:15:27] <bklang> looks like 0 - 3558  is unassigned
[22:15:41] <bklang> try assigning that to slice 6
[22:15:46] <bklang> err sorry 7
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[22:16:08] <jmcp> bklang: no, there's swap from slices 3-510
[22:16:21] <aliquis> bklang: No, and it would take some time to get one more computer to read it with aswell
[22:16:28] <tsoome> 0-3 should be left for pboot in x86
[22:16:30] <jmcp> the hole is 511-1526
[22:17:00] <bklang> oops you're both right, missed that
[22:17:21] <tsoome> 0-2, that is
[22:17:58] <moazamraja> interesting
[22:18:08] <moazamraja> not sure why this guy layed out the fs like that
[22:18:09] <bklang> so yeah, slice 7 could be 511 - 1526
[22:18:13] <bklang> yeah, it's hairy
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[22:22:22] <gisburn> Hola! :-)
[22:22:43] <elektronkind> GUTEN
[22:22:45] <elektronkind> TAG
[22:22:53] <elektronkind> in der tjoilets
[22:22:55] <jmcp> gdaygday
[22:23:06] <gisburn> elektronkind: Hi!
[22:23:16] <gisburn> elektronkind: first two lines are Ok, the 3rd is an offense
[22:23:25] <_william_> hi gisburn
[22:23:30] <gisburn> _william_: Hi!
[22:23:32] <gisburn> _william_: status
[22:23:36] <gisburn> _william_: help
[22:23:39] <gisburn> _william_: info
[22:23:45] * gisburn wonders if _william_ is a bot
[22:24:04] <hile_> hey jmcp
[22:24:07] <gisburn> _william_: help commands
[22:24:07] <elektronkind> could be the case
[22:24:18] <gisburn> _william_: help owner
[22:24:22] <richlowe> ...
[22:24:29] <jmcp> hi hile_
[22:24:30] <richlowe> Hey jmcp, etc.
[22:24:31] <gisburn> _william_: version
[22:24:35] <jmcp> hi rich
[22:24:36] <gisburn> richlowe: Hi!
[22:24:39] <gisburn> jmcp: Hi!
[22:24:42] <_william_> version command not found.... dumping core
[22:24:45] <gisburn> hile_: Hi!
[22:24:47] <jmcp> hi gisburn, one-n-all
[22:24:52] <_william_> :)
[22:24:53] <hile_> hi roland
[22:25:01] <gisburn> jamesd: Hi!
[22:25:06] <gisburn> sommerfeld: Hi!
[22:25:10] <gisburn> sparc-kly: Hi!
[22:26:07] <moazamraja> gisburn: i c.
[22:26:10] <moazamraja> well.
[22:26:16] <moazamraja> alrighty then.
[22:26:19] <gisburn> moazamraja: hic ?
[22:26:30] <moazamraja> no no, no reason to address me.
[22:26:32] <moazamraja> it's ok
[22:26:41] <gisburn> moazamraja: too much allohol!
[22:26:47] <moazamraja> say "Hi!" to everyone in the channel, but not me.
[22:26:51] <moazamraja> it's ok, i understand.
[22:26:57] <gisburn> moazamraja: Hi! :-)
[22:27:02] <moazamraja> thats better
[22:27:10] <moazamraja> now i can go back to living my life ;)
[22:27:29] <gisburn> _357181_: Hi!
[22:27:34] <gisburn> AbeFroman: Hi!
[22:27:37] <sommerfeld> uh.
[22:27:40] <AbeFroman> hey!
[22:27:41] <gisburn> adp`: Hi!
[22:27:41] <_william_> you mean your analogic life moazamraja ? ;)
[22:27:49] <gisburn> akolb_: Hi!
[22:27:55] <gisburn> alanc_away: Hi!
[22:27:58] <gisburn> oh
[22:28:01] <gisburn> wait
[22:28:09] <gisburn> that was not in alphabetical order
[22:28:20] <gisburn> Ok... from the beginning...
[22:28:23] <AbeFroman> damn.  54 is out and i'm not at work
[22:28:54] <sommerfeld> i think gisburn needs a breathalyzer integrated with his keyboard.
[22:28:57] <cmihai> AbeFroman: liveupgrade via ssh via vpn :P
[22:29:13] <gisburn> sommerfeld: nah
[22:29:20] <gisburn> sommerfeld: I just try to be nice... :-)
[22:31:13] * gisburn knows that grouchy old sommerfeld doesn't like it being nice... ;_(
[22:31:28] <gisburn> s/_/-/
[22:31:49] <cmihai> gisburn: oh yeah, did you find that script? :P
[22:31:58] <gisburn> cmihai: ?!
[22:32:19] <cmihai> M... auto-magic download of current svn build via ksh
[22:32:33] <cmihai> You said you had something like that 2 days ago iirc.
[22:32:49] <gisburn> you mean pulling sxcr via ksh93 ?
[22:33:40] <cmihai> Yep.
[22:34:35] <gisburn> cmihai: email, please ?
[22:34:36] <estibi> hi gisburn
[22:34:43] <gisburn> estibi: Hi!
[22:35:08] <cmihai> gisburn: can't you pastebin? Oh well, 1 sec, I'll /msg you.
[22:35:08] <gisburn> Note that I can't really say "hi!" to everyone, otherwise sommerfeld really gets grouchy and kicks me...
[22:35:51] <gisburn> cmihai: I can't use pastebin because I am at the wrong machine right now.
[22:36:44] <gisburn> who was complaining that ksh93 has no ^V in gmacs/emacs mode ?
[22:37:22] <richlowe> I think I mentioned it as a compatibility thing.
[22:37:37] <gisburn> erm
[22:37:40] <richlowe> emacs behaviour would be ^Q, but shells tend to use ^V
[22:37:51] <gisburn> richlowe: ^V for what ?
[22:37:54] <richlowe> but I maybe thinking of something else entirely. :)
[22:38:19] <richlowe> gisburn: quoted-insert
[22:38:25] <gisburn> richlowe: you mean ^V<esc> results in a <esc> ?
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[22:38:56] <richlowe> but since the ksh88 behaviour is to dump the version string, that's what you have going :)
[22:39:11] <gisburn> richlowe: no, that was fixed for ksh93s
[22:39:21] <gisburn> richlowe: starting with ksh93s that works, too.
[22:39:41] * jmcp caffeinates
[22:39:52] <gisburn> richlowe: ksh93s prints version string for <esc>^V
[22:40:21] <richlowe> which is different than the ksh88 behaviour! booooo!
[22:40:22] * richlowe ducks
[22:40:31] * gisburn kicks richlowe
[22:40:51] <gisburn> richlowe: it was added that IME+accessibility helper apps do not run into trouble
[22:41:08] <gisburn> they use ^V for shell quoting mode
[22:41:09] <richlowe> see, you complain sommerfeld's grouchy, but you complain that I'm not, too!
[22:41:38] <gisburn> richlowe: you're as grouchy as satan's little helper
[22:41:45] <gisburn> s/satan/santas/
[22:41:47] <richlowe> though when it comes to input method type stuff, I still think everytime C-<space> does the wrong thing it should auto-beat the person responsible.
[22:42:15] <Doc> i applied for a job as one of satan's elves once - missed out :(
[22:42:36] <gisburn> Doc: you're likely too old and not nasty enougth
[22:42:51] <jmcp> gisburn: this is Doc we're talking about
[22:43:02] <richlowe> did you really just imply Doc was pleasant? :)
[22:43:16] <gisburn> not
[22:43:19] <gisburn> really
[22:43:51] <jmcp> gisburn: you must be having a really rough day if you thought that, even for a moment!
[22:44:02] <gisburn> but who said elves are pleasant. in terry pratchett elves are... <insert something WORSE than sommerfeld>
[22:44:16] * jmcp slaps gisburn
[22:44:27] * gisburn twiches in pain...
[22:44:36] <gisburn> you...
[22:44:39] <gisburn> ... kill...
[22:44:41] <gisburn> ...ed...
[22:44:43] <gisburn> ... m
[22:44:45] <gisburn> ... e
[22:44:56] <Doc> gisburn: bite me!
[22:44:58] <gisburn> WH...y ?
[22:45:26] <notibooki> ;)
[22:45:26] * gisburn aims his 40mm bofors into Doc 's direction and pulls the trigger...
[22:46:09] <gisburn> Doc: you're so lucky that I do not have any HEAT rounds left... ;-(
[22:47:12] * gisburn wonders if sommerfeld is seriously sick... he doesn't kick back anymore... ,-(
[22:47:19] <gisburn> That doesn't make fun... ;-(
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[22:50:00] * gisburn sits in his edge and sulks because sommerfeld doesn't want to play anymore... ;-(
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[22:55:48] <sommerfeld> bah
[22:57:19] <gisburn> yessss
[22:57:28] <gisburn> be grouchy!
[22:57:55] <jmcp> gisburn: you're a sucker for punishment
[22:58:20] <gisburn> jmcp: ?!
[22:58:50] <cmihai> He means you're into BDSM :P
[22:59:04] <cmihai> Bondage, Dominations, Sadisms and Masochism - the UNIX way
[22:59:23] <cmihai> Hmm.. I think there was a submission in there somewhere
[22:59:54] <jmcp> gisburn: look up "masochism" and "masochist" in the dictionary
[23:00:41] <rydis> Bondage & Discipline, Dominance & Submission, Sadism & Masochism. It's a bit overloaded. ;)
[23:00:59] <cmihai> rydis: yeah, that's the one. With more bloat :P
[23:01:16] <cmihai> rydis: BDDSSM? Oh, like BSD? :P
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[23:09:30] <cmihai> Something on topic for a change... what changed with svn_something that disabled remote X logins?
[23:09:45] <cmihai> svccfg -s svc:/application/x11/x11-server setprop options/tcp_listen = true -> and I did this
[23:12:12] <jmcp> try /usr/sbin/netservices open
[23:13:22] <cmihai> Well, that just restarted the local dtlogins and stuff, but didn't seem to fix my issue.
[23:13:31] <cmihai> Oh, wait.
[23:13:42] <cmihai> Patience :P
[23:14:10] <cmihai> Yeah, that was it jmcp, thanks ;)
[23:14:40] <jmcp> you're welcome
[23:14:51] <jmcp> of course, if it hadn't been that ...
[23:16:59] <cmihai> w00t, my liveupgrade worked :)
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[23:19:53] <razrX> gratz again cmihai :)
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[23:41:23] <onbot> commit by ethan quach:  6505795 Install GRUB menu needs additional change for Solaris Developer Express
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[23:42:21] <richlowe> hah
[23:43:54] <delewis> Solaris Developer Express?
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[23:44:53] <adp`> :-|
[23:48:41] <richlowe> Who knows, but making foolish changes to the grub menu is... well, foolish.
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