[00:01:10] <richlowe> gisburn: if that's the 'ksh in 9 and 10', against the original ksh93 RFE.
[00:01:59] <richlowe> I'd hope b.o.o will be fixed to restore that functionality soon.
[00:02:10] <richlowe> but given dp's more pressing issue with it is still unfixed, who knows? :\
[00:03:49] <gisburn> reflect: the microcode is in fact just a giant patch grind. no magic.
[00:05:20] <richlowe> if 109 is the one I think it is, there should be a bios flash.
[00:05:41] <gisburn> richlowe: as long the spammer just send more emails about "tentacle enlargement" ("... greater pleasure while squishing and strangle your prey and defeat yourself better against octopus-eating whales..."), Rollex watches made from plastics and "Wild Brush Energy Drinks" it's ok
[00:06:24] <reflect> "AMD recently released a "BIOS fix" to motherboard makers to address Errata 109, in which REP MOVS instructions caused subsequent instructions to be skipped under specific pipeline conditions."
[00:06:42] <reflect> my motherboard vendor never released an update for their bios
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[00:08:47] <lloy0076> I want my new computer now :(
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[00:15:05] <jamesd> lloy0076, you will have to wait for santa to bring to your house and put it under the tree and pray that he doesn't hear about what you did last week or you will get coal in your stocking
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[00:17:00] <gisburn> jamesd: yeah
[00:17:09] <gisburn> lloy0076 was a really baaaaaaad boy
[00:17:16] <gisburn> brown coal!
[00:17:21] <gisburn> still wet!
[00:17:28] <gisburn> that he deserves!
[00:18:05] <lloy0076> lol
[00:19:10] <jamesd> ZFS is now in  Leopard OSX http://mac4ever.com/news/27485/zettabyte_sur_leopard/
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[00:21:36] <pikapika> hello
[00:22:03] <Saltsa> but when in linux... :/
[00:22:44] <jamesd> Saltsa, probably never, even if solaris goes GPL it will be GPLv3 and is incompatible with the kernel.
[00:22:53] <jamesd> that is GPLv2 only.
[00:23:27] <Saltsa> jamesd: but seperate patch or userland implementation could be possible.
[00:23:40] <Saltsa> but zfs-on-fuse didn't succeed? :(
[00:24:02] <richlowe> it didn't?
[00:24:15] <reflect> couldn't a company such as Novell or RedHat take it upon themselves to provide zfs support?
[00:24:17] <jamesd> zfs as a userland is joke, there is no way for userland to cope with 2GB/s of data coming off the disk and read/write from mutiple threads all at once.
[00:24:45] <Saltsa> richlowe: well, no development in few months
[00:25:02] <richlowe> there was a blog entry two days ago.
[00:25:13] <richlowe> sorry, yesterday, it seems.
[00:25:16] <Saltsa> richlowe: oh, yes. Sorry.
[00:25:20] <richlowe> http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/
[00:25:56] <Saltsa> yes, that's same i have been watching.
[00:26:19] <Saltsa> reflect: not sure but i think it would be possible to offer it as seperate patch....
[00:26:34] <Saltsa> like nvidia binary drivers
[00:28:00] <reflect> I called redhat and they said they were definately keeping an eye on zfs
[00:28:17] <jamesd> but according to some of the linux gurus   morton comes to mind, says that  zfs breaks linux layers so it doesn't seem likely that a single module would work
[00:28:58] <reflect> you need to change the whole concept of storage and filesystems in linux, yes..
[00:29:08] <richlowe> jamesd: given the number of previously faked up screenshots showing such things, I'd wait for something a little more concrete.
[00:29:19] <reflect> I think zfs replaces 3 separate functions
[00:29:32] <gisburn> jamesd: it depends on the userland implementation
[00:29:55] <gisburn> jamesd: userland CAN shuffle the data very fast, assuming you don't copy each byte seperately.
[00:30:17] <gisburn> and you have APIs like aio and sendfile which are usefull in such cases... :-)
[00:30:33] <jamesd> but how can it handle  read/write requests from multiple threads without killing performance
[00:31:07] <gisburn> jamesd: multiple worker threads ?
[00:31:20] <gisburn> jamesd: which boils down to the problem that the FUSE server API sucks.
[00:31:36] <jamesd> yes but your bouncing from userland - kernel - userland and back for each write.
[00:31:41] <richlowe> I believe jamesd's point is you're looking at an upcall per filesystem event (for some events, I assume)
[00:31:49] <richlowe> which is never going to do quite as well as not having to do the upcall.
[00:32:53] <gisburn> Error downloading http://ibiblio.org/pub/packages/solaris/csw/unstable/sparc/5.11/cvs-1.11.21,REV=2006.02.11-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz
[00:32:54] <gisburn> (Perhaps you need to update your catalog?)
[00:32:56] <gisburn> cvs-1.11.21,REV=2006.02.11-SunOS5.8-sparc-CSW.pkg.gz: No such file or directory
[00:32:57] <gisburn> dclarke: ping! blastwave is broken!!!!
[00:33:21] <jamesd> maybe try a different mirror
[00:33:35] <jamesd> or use a  SRM that is not quite as old as the dinosaurs
[00:34:11] <gisburn> "SRM"=?
[00:34:36] <jamesd> er source management
[00:34:39] <gisburn> jamesd: I am a huge fan of Subversion... but sometimes it is usefull to have CVS around.
[00:34:40] <gisburn> SCM
[00:38:11] <richlowe> gisburn: pkg-get -U?
[00:38:20] <richlowe> I think.
[00:40:57] <Auralis> hrmm, macrumor forums says zfs is indeed in the newest leopard build
[00:41:27] <richlowe> it'd be good to see.
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[01:18:13] <coffman> this is strange
[01:18:14] <coffman> digest: crypto operation failed for file gits2-dpimp.img: CKR_GENERAL_ERROR
[01:18:33] <coffman> i get this if i do digest -a md5 on the file
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[01:20:32] <jevangelo> can anyone login to sun.com right now?
[01:21:23] <jamesd> its working here
[01:23:57] <jevangelo> oh, its working now
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[01:54:15] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all
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[01:55:10] <coffman> yeah!
[01:55:17] <coffman> data corruption
[01:55:26] <coffman> fuch
[01:55:47] <coffman> yeah, even the chars are buggy (joke)
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[01:59:17] <edwardocallaghan> Is every one cool?
[01:59:46] <coffman> well
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[02:10:26] <edwardocallaghan> Question...
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[02:12:17] <edwardocallaghan> Any howto guides in PDF's on get Solaris 10 on a Ultra 10 with a serial cable ?
[02:12:53] <Auralis> nullmodem cable, 8n1, 9k6
[02:12:57] <ddunham> I don't know about PDFs.  What are you having trouble with?
[02:13:04] <Auralis> the rest is just like a normal install
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[02:22:03] <edwardocallaghan> Well I have not done it yet
[02:22:08] <edwardocallaghan> But I am sure I can
[02:22:15] <edwardocallaghan> Just doing my reading up
[02:22:39] <edwardocallaghan> The main question I have is what computer does the install disk go in :P ?
[02:24:19] <ddunham> The Sun.  You only control the install over serial.
[02:25:24] <edwardocallaghan> Oh ok, I don't have a sun keybroad is that ok?
[02:25:53] <ddunham> Right.  That's what the serial cable is for.  You can communicate over serial, or you could use kbd/screen if you had that.
[02:26:41] <edwardocallaghan> So the PROM will try the CD before the HDD by default then?
[02:26:55] <ddunham> No. you have to control it.
[02:26:56] <edwardocallaghan> Or do I need to press 'stop+?'
[02:27:22] <ddunham> Instead of <stop>-<A>, you send a RS-232 BREAK on the line.
[02:27:23] <edwardocallaghan> What is the stop key on the pc keybroad over the terminal?
[02:27:32] <ddunham> Depends on the terminal program you are using.
[02:27:43] <Auralis> you send a break from the terminal program on the system you connected the sun to
[02:27:52] <ddunham> I like TeraTerm Pro.  BREAK is a <ctrl>-B or a menu option.
[02:27:52] <edwardocallaghan> Say I use cu ?
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[02:28:10] <ddunham> Don't know 'cu'.  Does it have menus or a manual?
[02:28:25] <edwardocallaghan> Hold on I'll google your one
[02:28:52] <rydis> (C-)Kermit is a great program for almost all communication needs.
[02:28:58] <Auralis> you also need to disconnect the sun keyboard form the machine
[02:29:59] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Is this the page?
[02:30:16] <rydis> IIRC, break in cu is ~%b, by the way.
[02:30:18] <rydis> Yes.
[02:30:26] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[02:30:46] <edwardocallaghan> OK let me copy this chat to clip
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[02:32:37] <edwardocallaghan> Right then when I press ~%b at the PROM then I type boot cdrom ?
[02:33:21] <rydis> That ought to work, if you indeed have your devaliases set up so that cdrom points at your cd-reader.
[02:38:45] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry what does that mean?
[02:39:00] <edwardocallaghan> Infact how can I learn about the PROM?
[02:39:07] <ddunham> Probably don't need to worry unless you've changed the cd.
[02:39:34] <edwardocallaghan> Do you know any good docs on suns site or others
[02:39:45] <edwardocallaghan> OK but I think I need to learn
[02:40:49] <richlowe> I thought cu used ~#, same as tip.
[02:41:09] <richlowe> Seems I was wrong though. :)
[02:41:21] <rydis> So did I, but then I looked at the man-page. ;)
[02:42:21] <ddunham> There's the OpenBoot quick reference, but I can't say I've ever really looked at it before.  http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/805-4437/6j4727sq2?a=view
[02:47:36] <edwardocallaghan> So just one more time please, run me though the OS install agine
[02:47:42] <edwardocallaghan> *well the start of it
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[02:48:00] <ddunham> 'boot cdrom' and answer the questions?  :-)
[02:48:01] <edwardocallaghan> At first power on you hold down stop+b
[02:48:17] <edwardocallaghan> then type boot cdrom?
[02:48:54] <ddunham> You might need to send a break a few times.  Very early after power it might not recognize it.
[02:49:17] <ddunham> But you get an 'ok' prompt.  Thats when you use 'boot cdrom'.
[02:52:13] <edwardocallaghan> Ah good that's the part I wanted to hear
[02:52:32] <edwardocallaghan> Because I am think like a PC BIOS with hit Del loads of times
[02:52:39] <edwardocallaghan> Cool, Got it
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[04:03:44] <Hagge_> yay! ;/
[04:03:57] <jteo> ?
[04:03:58] <whaq> yay?
[04:04:01] <whaq> mmoin
[04:04:26] <Hagge_> whaq: It's my meeting call
[04:04:30] <Hagge_> glad it worked
[04:04:36] <Hagge_> mating maybe?
[04:04:38] <Hagge_> whatever :)
[04:05:58] <whaq> lol, i hope you're a chick then
[04:06:02] <whaq> for your sake
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[04:12:02] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
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[04:20:13] <onbot> commit by jb145095:  FWARC/2006/473 sun4v guest state API update; FWARC/2006/542 Guest State Supported CIF; 6383225 Solaris does not send guest state to alom
[04:20:32] <gisburn> onbot: part
[04:20:33] <onbot> gisburn: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[04:20:46] <gisburn> onbot: terminate
[04:20:47] <onbot> gisburn: Error: "terminate" is not a valid command.
[04:20:52] <gisburn> onbot: explode
[04:20:53] <onbot> gisburn: Error: "explode" is not a valid command.
[04:21:11] <gisburn> onbot: die
[04:21:12] <onbot> gisburn: Error: "die" is not a valid command.
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[04:51:08] <whaq> ZFS is officially in OSX
[04:52:07] <whaq> http://www.mac4ever.com/images/images_actu/27485_3322.png
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[05:03:40] <gisburn> whaq: yea yeah... Paintshop Pro can do miracles... =:-)
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[05:05:04] <dwc-> so can an aqua-like gui on solaris
[05:05:32] <dwc-> whaq, the article that goes with that doesn't say anything about officiality or anything
[05:05:53] <dwc-> still sounds like a rumor to me
[05:06:56] <dwc-> I could make a GUI app that says "ext5" in it ....
[05:07:16] <gisburn> KFS
[05:07:19] <gisburn> KDFS
[05:07:27] <gisburn> Komodo Dragon File System
[05:08:00] <gisburn> CMNFS
[05:08:16] <gisburn> Chicken McNuggest File System
[05:08:34] <dwc-> but the komodo dragons ate all the chickens ...
[05:08:43] <gisburn> erm
[05:08:46] <gisburn> no
[05:08:49] <gisburn> wrong diet
[05:09:10] <gisburn> they'll likely die from such a food
[05:09:46] <gisburn> you don't feed  chicken to cats either for the same reason: bones
[05:20:42] <whaq> heh..
[05:25:21] <jbk> grr.. fucking developers wanting libstdc++
[05:26:37] <gisburn> jbk: they should use Sun Studio C++
[05:32:40] <jbk> I know
[05:32:45] <dvorak> sun's c++ implementation left something to be desired last I checked
[05:32:53] <jbk> but most of our developers shouldn't even be allowed to login to a unix box
[05:33:29] <jteo> jbk: are you hiring?
[05:33:32] <jteo> ;)
[05:33:39] <jbk> you wouldn't want to live here :)
[05:34:18] <jbk> really, all they know is java, and nothing else.
[05:38:16] <Doc> java is good
[05:38:21] <Doc> it's all you need to know!
[05:38:21] <dvorak> uh huh
[05:38:28] <Doc> i read that somewhere
[05:38:35] <dvorak> it's a popular notion
[05:38:50] <dvorak> it'd be nice if it were true
[05:41:08] <g4lt-U60> jbk it beats all hell out of where I live ;P
[05:41:51] <jbk> there are liquor stores all over because the only thing to do is either watch the wheat grow, or drink :)
[05:42:56] <g4lt-U60> jbk, sounds like Idaho, only it's potatoes
[05:43:20] <jbk> heh
[05:43:29] <g4lt-U60> ..except apparently call centers are pocatello's new black, they have three in place, and one coming
[05:44:09] <gisburn> dvorak: when did you check Sun's C++ implementation the last time ? Sun Forte 6 ?
[05:44:11] <dvorak> yeah, having call centers pop up where you live is a sign you probably live in BFE
[05:44:19] <dvorak> gisburn: not recently, no
[05:44:24] <dvorak> not since studio 10
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[05:45:19] <dvorak> I generally have better things to do than to try out every new sun c++ compiler release to see if they fixed things this time
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[05:46:07] <Gr|ffous> hey what is the bash-foo for specifying a range? ie 1 through 6. I thought it was [1-6]
[05:46:10] <Doc> dvorak: what did sun say when you raised a call with them about it?
[05:46:27] <dvorak> I didn't call them about it, this isn't exactly an unknown problem
[05:47:04] <Doc> so lookup the bug number and see if it's been fixed
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[05:47:43] <g4lt-U60> dvorak, hey, if they pay the bills, I'm all for it
[05:48:01] * g4lt-U60 hopes one of them needs a solaris admin :)
[05:48:28] <Doc> lots of solaris admin jobs going in sydney at the moment
[05:48:53] <whaq> orange is the new black
[05:48:54] <Gr|ffous> ah, curly brackets {1..6} :)
[05:49:45] <g4lt-U60> Doc, yeah, but the commute is murder ;P
[05:50:50] <Doc> hmm.. CF card reader is running at about 1/5th normal speed... blah :(
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[05:57:20] <Doc> that's what makes it special!
[05:57:44] <Doc> it's like a "Special School"
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[06:37:29] <jlc> !seen laca
[06:37:32] <Drone> laca (laca!n=laca at 192 dot 18.101.5) was last seen in #opensolaris on Sat 16 Dec 2006 23:03 GMT, saying 'gisburn: 6437624'.
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[06:40:55] <Kitty> 85
[06:43:07] <Doc> 6437624 ?
[06:45:40] <richlowe> Doc: he was telling roland what another CR was closed duplicate of.
[06:45:49] <richlowe> since the upgrade of b.o.o broke it's ability to display that info.
[06:46:32] <Doc> thanks richlowebot
[06:46:52] <richlowe> We need to find a small and crappy city state with little utility.
[06:47:01] <richlowe> name b.o.o after it to act as a counterpart to monaco.
[06:47:02] <richlowe> :)
[06:47:27] <Doc> heh.. i wont mention that my browser is currently showing http://monaco.sfbay/detail.jsf?cr=6437624  :)
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[07:14:37] <jteo> i can't think of a city as useless as b.o.o.
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[07:18:12] <g4lt-U60> jteo, I can: atomic city, Idaho.  pop 2.  it's only purpose is a mail stop for the watering hole near the INEL
[07:19:57] <jteo> mmm
[07:22:09] <g4lt-U60> of course scoville is just as bad, it was the town that they took over to make the INEL.  it glows in hte dark now
[07:22:53] <Doc> wtf is INEL?
[07:27:09] <g4lt-U60> idaho national(nuclear) engieerign labratory.  big spot on the desert where they play with fissionables
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[08:05:30] <ProfMikey> Doc: FYI, it's called INEL no longer
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[08:08:29] <ProfMikey> oh they even have a national stupidity lab...remarkable
[08:08:34] <ProfMikey> err...security
[08:11:17] <whaq> g4lt-U6 who are the 2 poor souls in pop 2?
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[08:24:28] <Gr|ffous> hi all, I'm pulling my hair out trying to get my shiny new se53 going. If I enable GDM, it starts then restarts X in a loop. I can manually start X ok however. cde-login works, provided I only use CDE, gnome kicks me back to the login screen
[08:24:33] <Gr|ffous> the only clue that I have is the fact that vold seems to be completely missing in 53, is that intentional, or a problem?
[08:25:55] <jteo> Gr|ffous: vold was replaced by HAL.
[08:27:55] <Gr|ffous> ah, well that's a start then. Thanks
[08:28:16] <Gr|ffous> So then, as a long time E user, how do I troubleshoot gdm not working?
[08:28:50] <Gr|ffous> and is cde-login depreciated by gdm, or do I still need both?
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[08:36:23] <Gr|ffous> anyone? I'm complete stuck here
[08:37:06] <whaq> jteo, what is HAL?
[08:37:15] <whaq> Gr|ffous can't help ya, sorry..
[08:38:09] <Gr|ffous> I see there is a gdm2-login in addition to the cde-login, but it's bailing out stating that /usr/bin/gdm doesn't exist
[08:38:50] <Gr|ffous> it's the Hardware Abstraction Layer
[08:39:07] <Gr|ffous> it's a new framework for managing hardware and removable devices
[08:39:18] <whaq> gdm is in /usr/sbin in nvd52 which I use.
[08:39:43] <whaq> thx
[08:40:58] <Gr|ffous> hmm, well a sym link doesn't sort it: [ Dec 17 20:40:29 Stopping because process dumped core. ]
[08:41:41] <Gr|ffous> whaq: are you using gdm-login, or cde-login?
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[09:06:14] <Gr|ffous> ah, fixed it!
[09:06:27] <Gr|ffous> fc-cache needs to be running, it was disabled
[09:09:44] <whaq> Gr|ffous I use gdm
[09:15:41] <Gr|ffous> yeah, it appears I did too, I rebooted back to SE-45 to check. LU is wicked cool like that
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[10:04:03] <bougie> hello :)
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[11:11:59] <Darwin> good morning
[11:13:53] <bobbyz> mornin
[11:14:24] <Darwin> :)
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[11:26:12] <bobbyz> :)
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[11:49:54] <Saltsa> btw, how is solaris updates installed? Is there any yum/apt equivalent? And is it required to register to some sun update service or something+
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[12:01:35] <Griffous> Saltsa, it depends which version you run
[12:02:10] <Griffous> Opensolaris - not really, you can use external services like blastwave and sun freeware for free software and updates
[12:02:52] <Griffous> There are also gnu/solaris mixes that do have apt-like functionality. The proper solaris 10 has updates/patches, but still no package management quite like a linux user might be used to
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[12:09:24] <whaq> Griffous what did you mean 'rebootted back to SE-45'?
[12:09:41] <whaq> I was playing with zones and zfs..
[12:09:54] <Griffous> I had solaris express build 45 setup as my main boot envirnoment
[12:10:05] <Griffous> 53 was the new one that I'd live upgraded to
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[12:11:06] <whaq> How does live upgrade work? It creates a new slice to install\do the upgrade from so that you can always go back to the old instance?
[12:11:39] <quasi> yes, pretty much
[12:11:42] <Griffous> it doesn't actually make the slice, you have to have done that in advance, but otherwise yup
[12:12:07] <whaq> Cool.
[12:12:16] <Saltsa> Griffous: ok, but solaris 10 (non-gnu, non-opensolaris) requires (free?) registration to sun's update service?
[12:12:24] <whaq> I can't wait for them to support zfs root..
[12:12:25] <quasi> with added advantage over regular updates that you can safely patch a running system
[12:12:37] <Griffous> once zfs boot comes into it, I expect LU will adapt around that instead
[12:13:09] <Griffous> Saltsa, that's right. You'll only get basic security patches with the free service though
[12:13:27] <whaq> I heard they're waiting for LU integration (Amongst other things) before releasing ZFS boot\root
[12:13:34] <Griffous> but you can always update to the latest 6-monthly solaris release (free) which has the more major updates
[12:14:02] <Griffous> whaq, that would make sense. I thought the hold up was more with being able to release the source for the boot code
[12:14:12] <Griffous> or rather the supporting code
[12:14:35] <quasi> Griffous: actually, you get access to most of the updates with a registration (or just using pca)
[12:14:58] <Griffous> quasi, new features though?
[12:15:12] <syphilis> zfs was available to non-contract customers as a patch
[12:15:21] <Griffous> ie, new gnome, iscsi - that kind of thing?
[12:15:30] <quasi> Griffous: pca will do that
[12:15:35] <whaq> Hm.. is there dnsmasq somewhere in nevada?
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[13:14:13] <adam_z> actually if you register SDN, you can update parts of patch
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[13:31:58] <itscoldoutside> hi
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[14:44:55] <kimc> i have a large partition created when opensol was installed, it was created as type dos
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[14:45:26] <kimc> i want to create a Solaris partition with some of that space
[14:45:52] <kimc> should i delete the dos partition first with format  ?
[14:46:30] <kimc> then ?
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[14:49:28] <kimc> got it..
[14:50:13] <Stric> http://mac4ever.com/news/27485/zettabyte_sur_leopard <- interesting..
[14:50:42] <Stric> oh, posted before too.. sorry
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[14:51:57] <jamesd> Stric, nice error 404 page though
[14:53:09] <Stric> crappy site.. ending / missing.. http://mac4ever.com/news/27485/zettabyte_sur_leopard/
[14:53:59] <jamesd> yeah i blogged that page yesterday and posted it here :-)
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[15:07:02] <adam_z> opensolaris is using a free disk space or existing solaris partition
[15:08:00] <adam_z> you can check http://opentech.org.cn/knowledge_center/starterkit-ch/starter-kit/content/media/demos/OpenSolarisDualBoot-Intro.html
[15:08:29] <adam_z> http://opentech.org.cn/knowledge_center/starterkit-ch/starter-kit/content/media/demos/OpenSolarisDualBoot-Step1-Backup.html
[15:08:36] <adam_z> it's english demo
[15:08:47] <adam_z> http://opentech.org.cn/knowledge_center/starterkit-ch/starter-kit/content/media/demos/OpenSolarisDualBoot-Step2-Partition.html
[15:09:05] <adam_z> http://opentech.org.cn/knowledge_center/starterkit-ch/starter-kit/content/media/demos/OpenSolarisDualBoot-Step4-OS-Installation.html
[15:09:06] <adam_z> done
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[15:16:37] <Posixzombie> I have 2 nics on my machine; Both are e1000; I want to assign a different ip addrress to each of them ; I have /etc/hostname.e1000g0 and /etc/hostname.e1000g1; but after reboot ,
[15:16:48] <Posixzombie> ifconfig -a shows both nics but with the same IP
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[15:24:04] <adam_z> ip address is specified in the files: /etc/hosts /etc/inet/ipnodes
[15:24:43] <adam_z> the corresponding hostname is specified in the /etc/hostname.nicname
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[15:26:58] <Posixzombie> adam_z, I want the same hostname to both IP addresses ; is it possible at all ?
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[15:52:18] <adam_z> yes.
[15:53:16] <adam_z> typically it's for different network with different ip address
[15:53:57] <adam_z> if you want to do some load-balancing or failover, you can try dladm or ipmp
[15:56:49] <Posixzombie> So what should I do ? I have in /etc/hosts a line like this: ip1 myHostName ; should I add simply ip2 myHostName (with the same name as in ip1?)
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[16:05:01] <Gman> OpenSolaris Weekly News #42 - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-December/022632.html
[16:05:01] <adam_z> I haven't used that before.
[16:05:22] <adam_z> but it should works.
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[16:12:38] <BadKarma> meh
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[16:35:44] <whaq> ahoy  matey
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[17:31:10] <kimc> is it possible to have more than 1 solaris partition on a disk ?
[17:35:26] <jamesd> from what i have read in recent mailing lists, i would say yes.
[17:39:19] <quasi> I wonder how the different slices would be handled
[17:41:08] <kimc> yes, how would you know which device is the one created with fdisk ?
[17:44:18] <kimc> there is a bunch of disk space unused which i would like to have available for zones
[17:45:55] <kimc> thought i could make a partition with the remaining disk space then put zones on slices within it
[17:48:39] <quasi> worth a try
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[17:55:48] <jevangelo> is dtrace used to answer help desk calls?
[17:56:54] <jamesd> jevangelo, sometimes but usually you have to get an engineer to sudgest dtrace scripts
[17:57:16] <jamesd> i have found that most help desk people just work off scripts
[17:58:21] <jevangelo> ah
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[18:23:48] <coffman> hm
[18:24:09] <coffman> i got a disk in perfekt shape
[18:24:28] <coffman> its atached via an sil3112 pci card to the system
[18:25:12] <coffman> when i create a zpool just out of this disk and copy a file bigger the 150 mb on it
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[18:25:34] <coffman> scrub afterwards, it spills errors on me
[18:27:39] <jamesd> zfs doesn't play nicely with disks... most likely if you are seeing errors it either a bad driver, or a bad drive.
[18:29:22] * whaq <3 zfs
[18:30:09] <coffman> hmpf, the smart tool from westerndigital says the disk is fine - testet on the same system with same controller
[18:30:30] <coffman> will have to try another disk
[18:32:16] <whaq> try a different controller
[18:33:16] <coffman> since i got none around atm
[18:33:20] <coffman> ...
[18:34:53] <coffman> atleast none that works under solaris
[18:35:24] <whaq> I've had horrible problems trying to get Sil 3132 to work under snv
[18:35:54] <whaq> got a mobo with nforce 570 w/ 6 sata, populated them all, and it's been smooth ever since..
[18:36:25] <coffman> till yesterday that sil3112 worked fine for me
[18:37:35] <whaq> so what has changed?
[18:39:06] <coffman> its another system - still same mobo/proc
[18:39:26] <whaq> what about BIOS settings?
[18:39:29] <whaq> and OS version
[18:39:40] <coffman> and yeah that system is a bit bitchy
[18:39:44] <whaq> and last but defnitely not least... cable.
[18:40:06] <quasi> whaq: which specific mobo is that?
[18:41:30] <coffman> the other one is older 2005 solaris 10, the new is 6/06  - since normaly the sil3112 just works fine it should be no driver problem
[18:42:54] <whaq> quasi, MSI K9N SLI Platinum
[18:42:57] <whaq> or some such
[18:43:48] <whaq> Sol 10 U3 is out btw (11/06)
[18:44:01] <richlowe> is the si SATA what someone was complaining about re: firmware version?
[18:44:06] * quasi was wondering if the intel ed nforce 570 would work
[18:44:15] <richlowe> either needing the non-raid firmware and a flash to get to it, or vice versa?
[18:44:49] <whaq> no idea..
[18:45:09] * richlowe is going on vague memory of other people in here talking about it
[18:45:28] <whaq> i've updated si 3132 to the latest frmware, tried both raid and 'base' version, and it still wouldn't work on my setup. oh well.
[18:45:52] <coffman> normaly the firmware doesnt mather, and its fresh flashed even
[18:45:53] <whaq> (this was on a previous rig) I also tried to get a sata multiplier enclosure to work with that one.
[18:46:08] <whaq> no go.. I'll probably try again w/ S10 u3
[18:46:22] <richlowe> well you two are talking about different things though.
[18:46:29] <richlowe> (and I maybe confusing it with yet a third)
[18:46:32] <richlowe> so I'll be quiet now :)
[18:47:01] <richlowe> (I thought 3132 used the si3124 driver, whereas the others were run in ATA compat)
[18:47:36] <whaq> yeah, that's right.. Si3124
[18:47:50] <whaq> Btw, does Solaris have dhcpd ? (where is it)
[18:47:57] <coffman> richlowe: isnt the 3124 a "true" sata 2 controller?
[18:48:22] <richlowe> coffman: 3124, and 31332 use the si3124 sata framework driver I think, yeah.
[18:48:33] <richlowe> you said 3112, above though.
[18:48:47] <coffman> ah
[18:48:54] <coffman> missread
[18:49:26] <richlowe> whaq: in.dhcpd, and /usr/lib/inet/in.dhcpd
[18:49:54] <whaq> richlowe thanks
[18:49:58] <richlowe> and /usr/sadm/admin/bin/dhcpmgr :)
[18:50:33] <whaq> ok :)
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[18:53:23] <iakovz> hi
[18:58:56] <whaq> hi
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[19:34:52] <coffman> yeah trial&error is the shit
[19:36:32] <coffman> will have to grab another mobo and troller tomorrow, shity german shops are closed at sunday ffs
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[20:01:03] <jamesd> coffman, isn't everyone  hungover on sunday morning thanks to the small 1 liter mugs of ale?
[20:05:26] <coffman> yeah
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[20:06:25] <coffman> but it is evening already
[20:06:38] <coffman> and since we drink all week...
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[21:17:36] <trygvis> is it possible to add more drives to a raid-z pool?
[21:18:17] <jamesd> no
[21:18:28] <jamesd> but you can add more raid-z groups... to the pool
[21:18:31] <trygvis> bummer
[21:18:32] <trygvis> right
[21:19:41] <trygvis> so the two groups would be a concatination then?
[21:19:57] <jamesd> they actually would be stripped
[21:20:10] <reflect> sounds kinky
[21:20:27] <jamesd> total nude storage
[21:21:03] <trygvis> so, if I loose one of the groups I'm fucked?
[21:21:53] <jamesd> trygvis, you can loose one drive out of each pool and still be safe.
[21:22:01] <jamesd> er  raidz group
[21:22:31] <trygvis> right
[21:22:59] <quasi> raidz2 can have hot spares
[21:23:20] <jamesd> raidz can have  hot spares as well...
[21:23:39] <jamesd> raidz2 means you can loose 2 drives and still maintain all data
[21:25:59] <quasi> hmmm, I was pretty sure that raidz didn't do hot spares
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[21:26:42] <jamesd> no it was just introduced at the same time as raidz2
[21:27:59] <reflect> raid6 is similar to raidz2?
[21:28:06] <jamesd> yes
[21:28:57] <jamesd> quasi, i really don't see a reason why zfs wouldn't support hot spares on all groups (raidz, mirror, raidz2)  it sees a bad drive and it hot spares in a drive .
[21:30:12] <quasi> nope, I just remember seeing it as not supported with the first deliveries of zfs
[21:31:48] <jamesd> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=30323 Yes, Mirror and RAID-Z replacements are handled identically, and use the
[21:31:49] <jamesd> same resilvering code. There is no need to do any special-casing or
[21:31:49] <jamesd> worry about "exposure windows" or anything like that. I can add
[21:31:49] <jamesd> statements to that effect. Note that it may also be possible to
[21:31:49] <jamesd> hot-spare unreplicated pools with the arrival of predictive analysis and
[21:31:50] <jamesd> pro-active replacement. The usefulness of this feature is rather
[21:31:51] <jamesd> questionable, however.
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[21:32:04] <jamesd> eric schrock seems to agree with me
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[21:35:42] <hali> hm, i could see a use for global hot spares as well
[21:35:47] <hali> i.e. any zone can use it
[21:35:55] <hali> s/zone/pool/
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[21:36:12] <Lappy404> hey
[21:37:03] <reflect> the idea that you had to assign a hotspare to each group or "whatever" really isn't very good..  global hotspares has way more merit in my eyes
[21:38:57] <jamesd> reflect, i think they see only  2 pools per system on a typical system,  one for  root/boot   and the other for data, both would have different  drive sizes and grouping types.
[21:39:18] <quasi> hali: yes and no - global spares would be cheap redundancy, but I could also see where you could get messy unbalanced pools by it
[21:40:24] <hali> quasi: the hotspare should only be temporary, i presume one is ment to replace the failed drive and replace that in the pool
[21:40:49] <hali> quasi: alternativly the option to assign a hotspare to multiple pools
[21:41:37] <reflect> jamesd: I was comparing to the old days, where you may have had several mirrors or raid5 filesystems.. and your spares were hardwired to its destination
[21:41:57] <quasi> hali: yeah, binding to multi pools would be good
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[22:52:26] <pikapika> hello
[22:52:59] <Lappy404> ahoy
[22:55:01] <pikapika> :)
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[23:01:10] <Doc>   4691 root      174M   63M run     20    0   0:00:08  30% pkgremove/1
[23:01:27] <Doc> you'd really have to wonder why pkgrm needs 200-ish MB of memory...
[23:02:08] <jamesd> sounds like it mmap'd some large files while doing its work
[23:02:43] <quasi> most of /var/sadm?
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[23:08:54] <_william_> hi all
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[23:12:20] <bougie> ciao
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[23:14:21] <dwc-> needs to rewrite contents?
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[23:23:10] <richlowe> I'm not sure how it goes about changing contents.
[23:23:17] <richlowe> I know it copies it away, then changes it, then copies it back.
[23:23:22] <richlowe> I'm not certain it mmap's the copy, though.
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[23:24:43] <kyu> Hi guys, say I have FreeBSD or etc installed on an ide disk, and solaris doesn't like the bsd style disklabel, will dd'ing /dev/zero to the disk allow the sysinstaller to detect the device?
[23:25:18] <kyu> on sparc
[23:25:25] <delewis> kyu, open up a shell during the install process, and run format -e
[23:25:32] <delewis> add a disklabel via 'label'
[23:25:37] <kyu> that would be easier, cool
[23:25:39] <kyu> thanks :)
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[23:25:50] <kyu> keep up the good work btw, opensolaris is pretty cool :)
[23:25:53] <richlowe> Hm, do the BSDs actually blow away the SMI label?
[23:26:00] * richlowe had thought they made use of it, rather than blasting it clean
[23:26:06] <richlowe> or is this IDE disk from an x86 machine?
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[23:26:23] <kyu> I think it's mentioned somewhere in the obsd docs
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[23:26:25] <delewis> richlowe, if the install isn't seeing the disk, usually the disklabel is to blame, so I assume that's the case.
[23:27:55] <kyu> It's apparently got to do with 4.4bsd clean flags
[23:28:28] <kyu> or rather, *bsd clean flags in the BSD4.4 summary fields
[23:28:55] <kyu> which solaris really doesn't like
[23:29:04] <richlowe> I don't recall having that issue, I guess my memory is just bad. :)
[23:29:27] <kyu> I've never had the issue on non-sparc
[23:30:17] <kyu> anyway, sleep, got work in the am. cheers for the info.
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[23:40:20] <darkcmd> opensolaris is SVR4 based correct?
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