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[00:08:32] <reflect> hm.. is there any way to list the drivers actually shipped with solaris in the hcl?
[00:09:06] <reflect> seems like it lists both shipped with, and "here, go download the driver here"
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[00:22:07] <stevel> richlowe: deh, i figured hg would remove the old tag if i created a new tag w/ the same name
[00:23:44] <richlowe> I figured it would, and you created it by hand.
[00:23:49] <richlowe> so I'll take back the "stevel did it wrong".
[00:24:09] <stevel> well, i did forget to respin the bundle; so i still did something wrong
[00:24:12] <stevel> (surprise)
[00:24:14] <richlowe> (though given the "tagged wrong rev" as message, I still have suspicions)
[00:26:23] <stevel> i basically did a: hg tag -m "tagged wrong rev..." -r foo onnv_54
[00:26:36] <stevel> which i assumed would remove the old onnv_54 tag and apply it to rev foo instead
[00:27:09] <onbot> commit by daemon@tonic-gate:  Remove bad onnv_54 tag
[00:27:10] <richlowe> it's possible it stays in .hgtags but behaves correctly otherwise.
[00:27:17] <richlowe> hg log -r onnv_54 works, anyway.
[00:27:34] <richlowe> great, more bad putback comments to add to my fun. ;)
[00:27:35] <stevel> true but i wonder if that's only because it goes from recent->oldest
[00:27:51] <stevel> it'd be an interesting test to try tagging an older rev than the already existing tag to see what that does
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[00:30:00] <stevel> i'll go respin a new b54 bundle now
[00:30:14] <lloy0076> Would OpenSolaris run better on a Dual Core AMD X2 system OR a Intel E6300 Core 2 Duo system?
[00:30:17] <lloy0076> I really can't tell.
[00:31:15] <gisburn> AMD64 X2 system is better.
[00:31:43] <lloy0076> gisburn: Any particular reason?
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[00:32:33] <gisburn> lloy0076: smaller caches but integrated memory interface is good for applications which do not make use much of the larger caches.
[00:33:02] <gisburn> lloy0076: for example if you have many many processes running they trash the cache and the Core2 chips are very vulnerable to that.
[00:33:03] <lloy0076> gisburn: I thought that the E6300s addressed that problem.
[00:33:11] <gisburn> uhm
[00:33:43] <lloy0076> [i.e. I was under the impression that Intel had managed to make the path from memory to chips at least as efficient as AMD had]
[00:33:49] <gisburn> E6300 still has a shared L2 cache, right ?
[00:33:54] <gisburn> lloy0076: no
[00:34:02] <gisburn> lloy0076: marketing != reality
[00:34:16] <lloy0076> gisburn: True about the marketing part.
[00:35:24] <lloy0076> IIRC Core 2 Duos aren't 64 bit and that AMD X2s are...
[00:35:39] <lloy0076> ...and that OpenSolaris can use the extra registers that the 64bit processors give.
[00:36:28] <richlowe> the core 2 duo is em64t isn't it?
[00:37:25] <lloy0076> With this in mind, it's pleasantly surprising that the E6300 still manages to outperform the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ X2 out of the box. (quoted from: http://www.custompc.co.uk/custompc/reviews/96672/intel-core-2-duo-e6300.html)
[00:37:52] <lloy0076> Of course, who believes benchmarks but heh.
[00:37:59] <lloy0076> richlowe: How would one find out
[00:38:00] <lloy0076> ?
[00:38:14] <edp> i can't speak for the core 2 duo, but the core duo is blazingly fast
[00:39:35] <lloy0076> edp: I have an Intel Pentium D 945 with 2GB of RAM sitting next to me. It's very fast. "time" reports that it takes about 2 minutes to build a fairly default Apache.
[00:39:35] <pseudoXh4> Speaking of Core Duos in an OpenSolaris channel. :P
[00:39:46] <pseudoXh4> Are both cores of a core duo recognized and utilized in OpenSolaris?
[00:39:59] <lloy0076> pseudoXh4: Intel D 945's report 2 cpus.
[00:40:15] <pseudoXh4> lloy0076, 945GM? :D
[00:40:23] <edp> lloy0076, we have pentium D's at work and they are very fast aslso
[00:40:33] * pseudoXh4 is on a 945GM-based laptop.
[00:40:47] <edp> i'd say the core duos beat them despite the much lower clock speeds
[00:42:07] <lloy0076> I still can't decide if an AMD X2 3800+ system would beat an Intel E6300 system running OpenSolaris AND I don't have quite enough money to buy both :(
[00:42:45] <gisburn> edp: only if you use the larger cache. but if you have many tasks running in parallel (e.g. server) the Intel chips's larger caches are useless.
[00:42:50] <edp> unless you have a particular application in mind that really demands 100% cpu all the time it probably doesn't matter
[00:43:23] <edp> gisburn, could very well be.. my experience with the core duo is strictly with a desktop workload
[00:43:37] <lloy0076> My system is basically a desktop system. I do occasionally do compiles and I do intend to build Solaris from source one of these days.
[00:44:01] <lloy0076> About the most intensive things I do is get Netbeans and Glassfish (or JBOSS) working.
[00:44:14] <_william_> gn
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[00:44:16] <lloy0076> [netbeans is nice but gawd it takes resources]
[00:44:38] <edp> how does glassfish compare to XGL/beryl/compiz for linux?
[00:45:27] * richlowe can't parse that
[00:45:50] <lloy0076> richlowe: Can't parse what sorry?
[00:46:03] <alanc_work> you mean looking glass?
[00:46:03] <richlowe> edp's question. :)
[00:46:06] <richlowe> Oh, ah.
[00:46:09] <alanc_work> glassfish is the app server
[00:46:25] <edp> maybe i'm confusing glassfish for something else
[00:46:42] <edp> what is the name of the 3d solaris desktop?
[00:46:43] <alanc_work> edp: looking glass is the 3d desktop, glassfish is the web applications server
[00:46:57] <edp> that's it, sorry for the confusion
[00:47:22] <lloy0076> I was meaning the Application Server.
[00:51:03] <lloy0076> Aha!
[00:51:38] <lloy0076> I know what, I'll do myself a Tarot spread. Given that an E6300 and AMD X2 3800+ system will probably both be "too fast" for me...it's as good a way to decide as any other.
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[00:53:37] <gisburn> Who filed http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=1218270 ?
[00:53:49] <gisburn> cat cannot open food in tin cans.
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[00:55:05] <reflect> anyone with a silicon image 3114 controller here?
[00:55:21] <gisburn> (ok, not funny, but the budged for jokes is overstressed)
[00:55:23] <lloy0076> Anyway, I'm off to haggle with computer supliers.
[00:55:40] <alanc_work> gisburn: came in from a customer
[00:56:16] <lloy0076> BTW, the Tarot came up with: 7 Swords, Princess of Swords on the side of Intel, 4 Wands as a descriptor of the problem, The Star and 7 Hearts on AMD. I'm leaning towards AMD :P
[00:56:43] <gisburn> alanc_work: too bad.
[00:56:58] <reflect> hasn't intel been beating amd in nearly everything with their latest cpu?
[00:57:07] <gisburn> alanc_work: I thought this would be the first evidence that Sun engineering has some kind of humor.
[00:57:08] <reflect> haven't, even
[00:57:29] <alanc_work> you haven't seen any evidence of that before?
[00:58:06] <jamesd> reflect, where are the server based benchmarks, the only benchmarks that  intel are fastest on are  toy desktop ones.
[00:58:07] <gisburn> alanc_work: well, I see sommerfeld being grouchy each day.
[00:58:18] <alanc_work> admittedly, bmc's bug evaluation involving "a hippie BSD programmer called Moonbeam" hasn't been published, which would be great evidence
[00:58:38] <gisburn> alanc_work: bugid ?
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[00:59:28] <lloy0076> That's the part that gets me confused. It seems that Core 2 Duos *might* outperform AMD X2s at 3800+. But I'm not *sure*.
[00:59:39] <alanc_work> 4048532, but the evaluation isn't published on bugs.os.o
[00:59:53] <reflect> jamesd: I haven't looked in to it too much, but I suspect that it won't take too long before they march into that arena too
[00:59:58] <gisburn> drwxr-xr-x   2 hippie   staff        512 Jul  2  1996 .
[00:59:59] <gisburn> drwxr-xr-x  42 hippie   other       2560 Jul  2  1996 ..
[01:00:01] <reflect> take back their lead
[01:00:12] <g4lt-U60> damn, if it ever is, my stepsister is getting tht emailed to her so fast it isn't funny ;P
[01:00:13] <gisburn> hippie staff at sun
[01:00:37] <alanc_work> "The root cause of this silliness is beyond belief.  One night, many years
[01:00:37] <alanc_work> before I was born, some bearded Berkeley-ite dropped a little too much
[01:00:37] <alanc_work> homemade acid in the computing lab, where utmp.h happened to be on a
[01:00:37] <alanc_work> nearby console.  Here's what our young hippie (we'll call him Moonbeam)..."
[01:01:09] <jamesd> reflect, they wont be... there fsb is too slow and limited, when you start pulling 2GB/s off the disks and 200MB/s off the network and then at 3GB/s out of ram  there fsb chokes performance and the cpu spins waiting for data.
[01:01:32] <gisburn> alanc_work: heh
[01:01:37] <gisburn> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/search.do?process=1&type=&bugStatus=&category=&keyword=suicide
[01:01:42] <alanc_work> if you've heard one of brian's dtrace talks, you can imagine him rattling this off at 200 words per minute
[01:02:16] <alanc_work> I don't think many of the wild monkey bugs are published either, since they were CDE/Motif bug reports
[01:02:39] <gisburn> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4338420 murder by children
[01:02:56] <reflect> jamesd: maybe you're right. they have a huge budget though, and they've been behind for so long now..   things are bound to change sooner or later
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[01:03:12] <dmick> /msg chanserv: oh, shut up
[01:04:28] <lloy0076> jamesd: I presume that the "they" you're tlaking about are Intel in your last statement.
[01:04:41] <jamesd> yes
[01:05:20] <reflect> I have a question regarding solaris (solaris 10, 11/06)..  it confuses me a bit;
[01:05:34] <jamesd> typically cpu companies like publishing benchmark results about the same time as the cpu is released, so if intel isn't publishing them there is a very good chance they wont be.
[01:06:21] <reflect> it's on x86, an AMD machine.. got a few sil3114 controllers in it.. yet, they don't show up in dmesg..  scanpci tells me they're there..
[01:06:22] <alanc_work> oh hey, it's the day to publish our putbacks for the last biweekly build - this should be fast "X build 55: no change from previous build"
[01:07:05] <reflect> if I don't see them in dmesg, why do I see them with scanpci?
[01:07:12] <dmick> reflect: try looking in prtconf -vp, or using my prtpci script to show them
[01:07:19] <dmick> dmesg only has messages from drivers that claim hardware
[01:07:28] <dmick> it doesn't generally include "device enumeration"
[01:07:30] <alanc_work> scanpci cheats and looks directly at hardware, not at what you have drivers for
[01:07:31] <dmick> so a driver is not claiming it
[01:07:48] <dmick> prtconf -pv, and the digested form, show what Solaris enumerated, regardless of whether there's a driver
[01:09:09] <dmick> now: *should* a driver claim it, is another question.  If the SI controllers are capable of running in compatibility mode, they  should just look like ATA controllers.
[01:09:48] <reflect> they show up as "RAID Controller"
[01:10:27] <dmick> ok, so there's probably a BIOS setting to change them to "legacy mode".  We don't currently support "RAID mode".
[01:10:33] <reflect> not sure wether the SI drivers are in sol10.. or if they are new for opensolaris
[01:10:42] <dmick> and AFAIK only support the 3124 and 3132 in "native SATA" mode
[01:10:55] <dmick> so the only thing that would work to date, I believe, is "legacy mode"
[01:10:56] <reflect> dmick: they are set to JBOD.. no raid configured currently
[01:11:36] <dmick> well, then that's a BIOS bug; maybe investigate a mobo BIOS upgrade?....(unless they're on cards, in which case a card BIOS upgrade?)
[01:11:41] <dmick> but not uncommon
[01:12:06] <dmick> there's a huge wad of confusion flying around SATA vendors wrt device identification
[01:12:16] <reflect> wait...
[01:12:37] <dmick> but if they're really in "RAID mode", as indicated by their class code, then Solaris can't drive them, because it would require knowing what the stripe/mirror parms are, which aren't public
[01:12:38] <reflect> you're 100% certain that this card should work in sol10 "upd 3"..
[01:12:48] <dmick> who is?  not I
[01:12:59] <reflect> ah
[01:13:12] <dmick> most SATA controllers can run in "just like PATA" mode, but you have to talk the BIOS into it
[01:13:20] <dmick> but it depends on the BIOS
[01:13:49] <reflect> ok, well, that's my first question - is sil3114 actually supported by sol10, or is that a "new" driver for nevada
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[01:14:28] <dmick> reflect: again: the only way it would be supported now
[01:14:31] <dmick> is in legacy mode
[01:14:34] <dmick> in S10 or nevada
[01:14:50] <dmick> there is no native driver for it, only the 3124 and 3132, I believe
[01:16:23] <reflect> afaik there is no setting called "legacy mode" in the cards bios
[01:16:44] <reflect> yet I've seen lots of references to this particular card as "working" with the new SATA framework
[01:16:54] <dmick> well, it might be called something slightly different, but not quite that
[01:17:01] <dmick> oh really.  well, I could certainly be wrong.
[01:17:10] <reflect> "Controllers that work are the ones commonly found on the major chipsets, such as ICH5, ICH6 and Nforce4, as well as Sil3112, Sil3114, Sil3512."
[01:17:19] <dmick> hmmm
[01:17:26] <dmick> ok, let me check about that
[01:17:37] <reflect> http://blogs.sun.com/mlf/date/20050614
[01:17:38] <dmick> I scanned driver_aliases quickly and didnt' see it
[01:18:11] <dmick> reflect: what's the sentence before that one you quoted say?
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[01:18:26] <reflect> lol
[01:18:34] <reflect> <-- selective reading, it seems
[01:18:46] <dmick> :)
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[01:24:03] <gisburn> dmick: hey...
[01:24:11] <reflect> crap.. nothing of the sort in the bios of the card :(
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[01:24:24] <gisburn> stop it
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[01:25:05] <delewis> gisburn is having too much fun
[01:25:27] <richlowe> delewis: I've never seen 'crack' spelled with an f before ;)
[01:25:38] <delewis> hah. :-)
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[01:36:33] <sickness> anyway
[01:36:49] <sickness> it took me almost all the afternoon to fully read that post, amazing ghgh, astonishing ghgh :P
[01:36:54] <dmick> gisburn: yes?
[01:36:57] <sickness> ( http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185 )
[01:37:00] <dmick> oh he's gone
[01:37:03] <dmick> wtf does this mean:
[01:37:08] <dmick> gisburn left the room ("Local kill by dmick: test").
[01:37:45] <delewis> he's pretending that you're an IRC operator, and thus killed him.
[01:37:49] <delewis> he's got quite an imagination
[01:38:01] <delewis> that must be what ksh93 integration does to the mind.
[01:38:16] <dmick> is this one of those "have you stopped beating your wife" kind of stratagems?
[01:38:28] <delewis> I wouldn't be surprised
[01:38:40] <dmick> sickness: what post (ghgh)?
[01:38:54] <sickness> dmick: this http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185
[01:39:07] <dmick> an RPM bug?
[01:39:08] <sickness> found it pasted here this afternoon
[01:39:10] <sickness> eheh
[01:39:14] <sickness> an rpm "saga" ghgh
[01:39:38] <richlowe> oh, that one.
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[01:41:04] <dmick> /kill dmick
[01:41:10] <dmick> shoot
[01:41:13] <dmick> I guess it's pills
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[01:42:24] <dmick> wow.  That Jeff Johnson is a real piece of work.
[01:43:57] <Doc> no, that's how he's supposed to work
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[01:45:21] <dmick> lol.  I think I just corrupted in my pants.
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[02:09:44] <alanc_work> crap - all my gnome-terminals just disappeared on me
[02:10:28] <richlowe> one process, many windows.
[02:10:36] <richlowe> if said process crashes, say goodbye to your work.
[02:10:45] <alanc_work> one desktop, many bugs
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[02:11:13] <edp> 'screen' helps to cut down on problems like that
[02:12:03] <dmick> so does xterm
[02:12:06] <dmick> screw gnome-terminal
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[02:37:40] <dmick> but if I were to run gnome-terminal
[02:37:49] <dmick> I'd surely run it with the "no-factory" option or whatever the hell it is
[02:37:54] <dmick> that actually makes the procs independent
[02:38:03] <dmick> I can't *believe* anyone ever thought it was a good idea to make them all one proc
[02:39:06] <Auralis> wasn;t the reason for that to save on resources?
[02:39:25] <dmick> perhaps.  but at the cost of my development productivity?  um....
[02:40:16] <Auralis> well, it would be much better if that damn term would not eat 10s of mb
[02:40:31] <Auralis> for basicaly zero positv effect
[02:40:36] <dmick> yet another good reason to use xterm
[02:40:52] <stevel> .... but... but... xterm doesn't have transparency
[02:40:55] * stevel ducks
[02:41:03] <dmick> that's ok, neither do I
[02:41:07] <Auralis> rxvt ftw :)
[02:41:21] <dmick> xterm is installed on my system :-P
[02:42:02] <dmick> Auralis: what's rxvt add?
[02:42:11] <richlowe> neither of them appear to deal with utf-8 as well as gnome-terminal does.
[02:42:18] <richlowe> that's the only thing I can come up with in its favour, currently.
[02:42:39] <Auralis>   4307 barbie   2720K 2072K sleep   49    0   0:00:00 0.1% rxvt/1
[02:44:15] <stevel> richlowe: tabbed terminals if you hate screen, that's another thing in its favour (though i don't use them myself)
[02:44:34] <dmick> Auralis: no, I mean features
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[02:44:41] <Auralis> mrxvt has tabs
[02:44:42] <richlowe> I don't call anything that steals keys a feature, never mind an advantage.
[02:44:46] <richlowe> (that includes the menubar, too)
[02:44:51] <dmick> don't understand tabs
[02:44:56] <Auralis> dmick: http://sourceforge.net/projects/materm/  most modern rxvt variant
[02:44:56] * stevel disables the menubar, and scrollbar
[02:44:59] <dmick> less convenient than multiple windows
[02:45:22] <dmick> for a browser, totally different.   not my term.
[02:46:47] <Auralis> for once rxvt is xlib based, no gtk, qt or such crud
[02:47:34] <Auralis> its fast, supports the most used functions of xtern, minus the tektronics stuff and so, you can basical;y strip out everything you don;'t need when building
[02:49:17] <Auralis> if you want menus, you can have them, menus are just menus that past command line input and executes it, very flexible
[02:50:44] <dmick> Auralis: so, pretty colors?
[02:50:44] <dmick> and tabs?
[02:51:11] <Auralis> you can strip all that out and have a very barebone term if you want
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[02:59:29] <reflect> dmick: "legacy mode" is usually a motherboard option (there certainly is none on the 3114 controller itself), and you're screwed if your motherboard only has PATA (I think)
[03:00:21] <dwc-> aterm is transparent
[03:00:28] <dwc-> well, pseudo-transparent
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[03:03:12] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
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[03:21:27] <myrkraverk> do any of you know of any actual embedded solaris effort?
[03:21:45] <myrkraverk> I'm wonder if it can be squeezed on a ps2
[03:22:03] <rydis> research.sun.com mentions some project for embedded solaris on ppc.
[03:22:59] <edwardocallaghan> Solaris on Cell I am sure I have heared about it?
[03:23:45] <myrkraverk> well, for the ps2 - I'd have to do a mips port as well -- and maybe hack on gcc as well - I'm not sure I'm up to it ;P
[03:24:36] <myrkraverk> but I might leave it as a project for retirement (that would be rougly 30-40 years from now)
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[03:27:01] <myrkraverk> by then, ppl will probably be more surprised to find a running ps2 - having solaris on it would just be an little bit of flavor ;)
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[04:01:44] <darkcmd> Do people tend to have to update OpenBoot to install opensolaris on Ultra 2 machines?
[04:04:39] <ProfMikey> sup
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[04:21:01] <delewis> darkcmd, no
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[04:42:12] <jteo> morn.
[04:46:12] <pseudoXh4> Morning jteo.
[04:47:38] <jteo> pseudoXh4: Morning.
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[09:00:24] <bougie> hello :)))
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[09:40:58] <lloy0076> There's a REAL Apache2 in /usr/bin/
[09:41:01] <lloy0076> I'm an EEJIT
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[10:14:49] <jteo> lloy0076: :)
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[11:26:04] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
[11:27:51] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone around ?
[11:28:24] <cmihai> No, I'm asquare.
[11:28:47] <edwardocallaghan> :)
[11:28:50] <edwardocallaghan> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUK%3A1&viewitem=&item=130056353075&rd=1
[11:29:04] 
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[11:32:35] <cmihai> Not bad
[11:36:28] <quasi> it seems the same seller has another one for 1295 - just with another graphics card
[11:36:45] <asyd> \_o<
[11:38:49] <edwardocallaghan> So ill go for it then?
[11:41:20] <cmihai> Well, he is a powerseller with positive feedback, the machine looks nice, the price is rather OK...
[11:41:29] <cmihai> And it is from the UK so transport won't cost much...
[11:42:02] <edwardocallaghan> Done. ;)
[11:42:27] <edwardocallaghan> My first proper UltraSPARC :D
[11:42:40] <edwardocallaghan> Well they are kind of new
[11:44:56] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks I need to go out
[11:44:59] <hali> edwardocallaghan: not bad at all, those procs are pretty fast
[11:45:07] <edwardocallaghan> All the best
[11:45:10] <asyd>  /S 10
[11:45:11] <edwardocallaghan> Oh good
[11:45:40] <edwardocallaghan> two 1g's RISC chips :D
[11:46:34] <edwardocallaghan> OK then thanks see you guys a little later
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[11:54:54] <lloy0076> I *think* that the Live Upgrade worked.
[11:55:05] <lloy0076> My MOTD hasn't changed though.
[11:55:14] <lloy0076> Anyway to know what the world I'm running?
[11:55:23] <trygvis> uname -a perhaps
[11:55:46] <lloy0076> SunOS orthanc 5.11 opensol-20061211 i86pc i386 i86pc
[11:55:46] <lloy0076> SunOS orthanc 5.11 opensol-20061211 i86pc i386 i86pc
[11:55:46] <lloy0076> SunOS orthanc 5.11 opensol-20061211 i86pc i386 i86pc -- apparently
[11:55:48] <lloy0076> OOPS
[11:56:02] <cmihai> Ooops indeed :)
[11:56:47] <lloy0076> However, I know that Laca said that BFUs only take parts of the system up and not all the bits and pieces. I put the ON53 DVD I've got into the drive, reloggedin as root, ran the installer and it said it worked. I think.
[11:57:09] <lloy0076> However, I'm not sure how I -know- that it's worked.
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[13:16:44] <darkcmd> hi
[13:21:06] <cmihai> hi
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[13:21:56] <darkcmd> getting ready to update from Solaris 8 to OpenSolaris on my Ultra 2.
[13:23:07] <darkcmd> considering adding another cpu module to it
[13:23:35] <cmihai> Well, have fun.
[13:23:58] <darkcmd> yeah
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[13:29:26] <javiolo> hi
[13:29:36] <javiolo> anyone using nexenta ?
[13:30:11] <trygvis> yep
[13:30:56] <javiolo> can I install nexenta on a intel computer ?
[13:31:03] <trygvis> yes
[13:31:43] <javiolo> I did a vmware install and it was too slow
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[13:34:53] <hali> nexenta in vwmare works great... if you assign it enough memory
[13:35:27] <javiolo> 600mb and 12gb ?
[13:35:34] <javiolo> is that enough ?
[13:37:29] <javiolo> hali
[13:38:06] <trygvis> define slow
[13:38:31] <javiolo> it took like 5 mins to boot
[13:38:43] <javiolo> and It gave me some dhcp errors
[13:40:00] <trygvis> uh
[13:40:17] <hali> javiolo: 12gb ram should be enough
[13:40:24] <trygvis> try connecting it to the network and make sure a dhcp server is running on the network
[13:40:29] <trygvis> or give it a static ip
[13:40:33] <hali> javiolo: i've tried it on my core2 laptop with 512megs assigned and it works fine
[13:40:37] <javiolo> hali, 600 mb of ram
[13:41:08] <javiolo> ok, Im just reinstalling it
[13:41:21] <trygvis> reinstalling?
[13:41:34] <javiolo> making a new install
[13:41:41] <trygvis> why?
[13:41:54] <javiolo> cos I deleted the previous one
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[13:44:31] <darkcmd> What is cos?
[13:44:36] <darkcmd> cosine?
[13:46:33] <javiolo> because
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[14:04:00] <vzkyr3> hi all
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[14:04:23] <thiago_sobral> anyone here from brazil ?
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[14:17:52] <javiolo> Warning: ni0 niattach:SA_eeprom is funny, assuming byte-mode
[14:18:02] <javiolo> and it stops there
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[16:34:07] <Auralis> woot, free media kit arrived
[16:34:34] <trygvis> too bad it was only 6/06 and not 11/06
[16:36:58] <Auralis> yeah, but still
[16:37:38] <ProfMikey> yeah, anyway it took abt 3 weeks to get mine
[16:39:56] <scode> OpenSolaris is supposed to detect all supported hardware at boot right (likei n bsd/linux)? Because in desperation I finally bought two SiL3112 controllers, but they do not seem to be detected at all on boot. The controller I had in it previously was a 3512. Could it be that I have to tell solaris to detect new hardware/load kernel modules/whatever?
[16:40:37] <scode> Because claims that 3112 works are all over the place when googling, so I guess I am doing something wrong.
[16:41:07] <trygvis> try devfsadm -v
[16:41:52] <scode> Churns for a moment, outputs an empty line, and terminates.
[16:42:40] <trygvis> prtconf -v
[16:42:51] <trygvis> or without the -v
[16:43:18] <trygvis> there's always modinfo and modload
[16:43:51] <scode> Only controller detected and visible in prtconf is the built-in PATA.
[16:44:08] <scode> Ok. Though - aren't all these 3512/3112/ich5/etc supposed to be supported by the same driver?
[16:44:11] <scode> In PATA legacy mode.
[16:44:12] <trygvis> devfsadm should load all drivers and have them probe for hardware
[16:44:15] <trygvis> no idea
[16:44:18] <scode> ok
[16:45:23] <scode> thanks
[16:48:41] <jteo> maybe the pci id for your card isn't in driver_aliases
[16:48:47] <jteo> then the driver won't attach.
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[16:49:37] <scode> Hmm, guess I can try forcing it. As long as its the right chipset (which it is, unless they have printed sil3112 on a chip that is not :)).
[16:49:44] <scode> Thanks. will give it a shot later on. *off to the gym*
[16:50:14] <pseudoXh4> Whoo..28% through DVD ISO D...
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[17:27:03] <Fish> good bye
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[17:29:14] <gisburn> Hi! ... can anyone check http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-December/022609.html and try to figure out what's wrong with the machine, please ?
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[17:36:25] <richlowe> no, but I now do remember that you can't Stop-N from a usb keyboard.
[17:36:33] <richlowe> what I don't recall, however, is what you do instead :)
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[17:40:04] <gisburn> can I do the same via "tip" somehow ?
[17:40:08] <gisburn>  /usr/bin/tip
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[17:46:18] <pseudoXh4> Do Ralink RT73 wifi cards work on OpenSolaris?
[17:48:22] <gisburn> richlowe: can I do Stop-N via /usr/bin/tip somehow ?
[17:48:54] <trygvis> pseudoXh4: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/
[17:49:03] <jteo> http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=188683
[17:49:11] <richlowe> I'm not sure it'd help you, given it can't seem to read various things from the nvram anyway.
[17:49:38] <pseudoXh4> trygvis, checked that... it lists RT2500 series..
[17:49:45] <pseudoXh4> No clue if RT73 is similar to it in any way.
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[17:59:12] <jteo> intriguing. ebay does JOINS at the application layer.
[18:00:28] * steleman thinks ebay uses mysql as a database backend ;-)
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[18:09:36] <richlowe> steleman: happen to know if bugs against SFW manpages live in manpage/sectionN or the cat of the respective utility?
[18:09:43] <richlowe> since most of them are directly from upstream, I think.
[18:10:44] <steleman> richlowe: i'm guessing they are in manpage/sectionN
[18:15:49] <whaq> moinmoin
[18:16:41] <whaq> Anyone playing zfs w/ samba? I'm wondering why newly created snapshots directory are invisible to samba, until one goes into the direcotry (via a shell)
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[18:27:26] <syphilis> what directory service is usually used with kerberos?
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[18:40:19] <whaq> ldap?
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[18:43:54] <gisburn> how can I send stop-d via /usr/bin/tip `?
[18:56:52] <edp> whaq, you can't even get to .zfs through the share?
[18:58:52] <edp> i misread your message.. do you just get a directory listing in .zfs/snapshot that doesn't include the new ones?
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[19:05:04] <whaq> edp, yes exactly
[19:05:30] <edp> refreshing the explorer window doesn't make them show up either?
[19:05:59] <whaq> i made a link like so : ln -s ./zfs/snapshot _Backup
[19:06:48] <whaq> and the explorer is looking into _Backup, and if i reate a new snapshot, it won't show in the explorer. refresh, reconnect, wait a couple of minutes. none works.
[19:06:50] <edp> have you tried looking directly in .zfs/snapshot in the share to see if they show up?
[19:07:13] <whaq> as soon as i go into ./zfs/snapshot via shell, it'll show up in explorer (may need quick refresh)
[19:07:15] <edp> just something to rule out a problem with samba and symlinks
[19:07:26] <whaq> lemme try
[19:07:48] <edp> you may need to type in /.zfs since i think it hides it by default
[19:07:49] <whaq> did you ever get this problem? (or give user direct access to snapshots like this)
[19:07:57] <whaq> yes that's correct
[19:08:38] <edp> i haven't noticed it but when messing with the samba vfs module i made up i think i remember some stuff being delayed in showing up
[19:09:15] <edp> do they eventually appear if you just let it sit for a few minutes?
[19:09:33] <whaq> edp, ok, the behaviour is the same without the symlink
[19:09:54] <whaq> i haven't tested it for too long. i'll do that now.
[19:10:15] <edp> this happens every single snapshot though right?
[19:10:23] <whaq> yes
[19:10:58] <edp> i definitely remember being able to just take snapshots and open them right up througgh the vfs module which essentially just looks right in .zfs/snapshot
[19:11:16] <jteo> caching?
[19:11:48] <edp> samba doesn't cache any filesystem stuff and just relies on the OS to do that
[19:12:01] <edp> can you paste your share definition from smb.conf?
[19:12:03] <whaq> i wonder if zfs doesn't really create the filesystem 'view' unless  it's accessed by a vertain function triggered by a shell cwd.. for efficiency by design
[19:12:26] <jteo> whaq: .zfs/snapshots responds to readdir.
[19:12:41] <jteo> (syscall)
[19:14:31] <whaq> it's the [homes] share, it has guest ok = no, browseable = no, writable = yes, dir mask = 770, create mask = 660, vfs objects = recycle and a couple of recycle params
[19:14:40] <whaq> jteo, what's readdir?
[19:14:46] <whaq> oh read dir
[19:14:51] <whaq> which samba should trigger?
[19:15:06] <edp> yes, samba just calls readdir
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[19:17:17] <edp> what version of samba?
[19:18:17] <whaq> the one in snv52
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[19:18:50] <edp> what does 'smbclient --version' say?
[19:19:05] <scode> jteo: Would you happen to know the appropriate driver name for the supported SATA cards (about your suggestion on driver_aliases). I have tried "ata" and "pci-ide" without luck.
[19:19:36] <whaq> 3.0.21b
[19:19:55] <whaq> SATA card? Si3124 is one
[19:20:42] <scode> it's a 3112 card; i have identified it in the device tree and am trying to add an entry to driver_aliases to make it be probed by the appropriate driver.
[19:23:44] <whaq> edp, i think the problem stems from me running samba in a zone, and i'm mounting the zfs filesystem as a loopback directory into the zone
[19:24:34] <edp> that could be
[19:24:42] <edp> i don't have anything setup on hand to test it out
[19:25:21] <edp> if it fits your needs you could try to give the zone a zfs dataset and see if tat helps
[19:30:43] <whaq> grr.. disconnected
[19:30:56] <whaq> what is a zfs dataset?
[19:31:21] <edp> you can setup zones to either share a normal directory which sounds like what you're doing
[19:31:30] <edp> in that case, all zfs operations are still done in the global zone
[19:31:58] <edp> if you give a zone a dataset, then all of the zfs operations (e.g. zfs snapshot) are performed within that zone
[19:31:59] <richlowe> and the zone itself just sees a lofs mount.
[19:32:02] <richlowe> (ie, nothing special)
[19:32:25] <richlowe> I'm not sure how the snapdir behaves if you lofs mount a dataset into a zone.
[19:32:34] <richlowe> I'd somewhat suspect the zone doesn't see it, since it's at least somewhat separate.
[19:32:38] <richlowe> (jteo?)
[19:36:50] <whaq> edp, where is the dataset specified? yes, I did an 'add fs' into the zonecfg, and specified type=lofs
[19:37:03] <whaq> (linked to a zfs mount that exists on the global zone)
[19:37:08] <edp> i think it's 'add dataset' in zonecfg
[19:38:16] <whaq> ah yeah.. this problem is due to the zone.. it's not samba specific. I get a 'no permission' error even if i visit the directory from within shell inside the zone.
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[19:38:51] <edp> whaq, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/6n7ht6qsj?a=view
[19:38:53] <whaq> (until i go to the zfs snapshot dir in the global zone, i will still get the 'no permission' error)
[19:39:00] <whaq> edp, thanks
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[19:44:41] <whaq> edp, so if I add zfs properly into a zone with type=zfs, will the snapshot process be triggered from the global zone or not?
[19:47:03] <edp> i think if you do type=zfs all zfs operations are still done through the global zone
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[19:47:28] <edp> if you do 'add dataset' then they are done through the non-global zone to which teh dataset was delegated
[19:47:57] <whaq> ok, i'm gonna try type=zfs first.. i prefer to keep filesystem management in globalzone for now
[19:48:14] <scode> Hmm. So "scanpci -v" properly finds the sil3112, but only 1095,6112 (apparantly the raid controller on the same card) is listed by prtconf. Why would a device (which even has an entry in /boot/solaris/devicedb/master) be correctly found and listed by pciconv -v, but NOT listed by prtconf?
[19:48:25] <whaq> I didn't RTF admin guide. my bad.
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[19:55:46] <whaq> edp,do you use samba + zfs inside zones?
[19:56:15] <edp> i was planning on doing so once we get some hardware but haven't experimented with it inside a zone too much
[19:56:34] <whaq> alrighty
[19:58:05] <whaq> type=zfs doesn't seem suitable for  my use /home. it imports a single zfs fs into the zone, not the many zfs under it (user directories). Dataset it is..
[19:58:48] <richlowe> I'd say the problem is having users, life is so much easier without them. :)
[19:59:05] <whaq> dude, they pay the bills tho ;)
[20:00:50] <edp> depends if they are customers or other staff
[20:01:26] <whaq> I hereby declare the creation of the Guild of the Technically Screwed Administrators..
[20:02:58] <whaq> egven if they're other staff.. they're still in the (indirect) equation.. they generate the needs of having administrators
[20:06:59] * whaq combs his pointy hairs back..
[20:07:54] <whaq> So.. Nina Hartley or Ginger Lynn?
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[20:12:34] <aliquis> Oh, working ekiga in build 53?
[20:12:47] <aliquis> to bad my mic seems to have died today :D
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[20:21:41] <cla> http://allegro.pl/item147206856_niesmiertelnik_us_army_dog_tag_twoj_osobisty.html#photo
[20:21:44] <cla> hmm
[20:22:13] <cla> omg, sory, not this channel
[20:23:33] <jamesd> "go army!!!"
[20:24:35] <ProfMikey> cla: ask the seller whether the lady is included
[20:25:06] <cla> hah
[20:25:39] <cla> good idea
[20:26:43] <ProfMikey> and get back to me!
[20:26:44] <cla> ProfMikey: yea, it's exactly what i'm gonna do
[20:27:42] <ProfMikey> good boy :)
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[20:29:28] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hi guys
[20:29:41] <EdwardOCallaghan> boyd:Are you around?
[20:32:23] <EdwardOCallaghan> I got my Ultra10 on a null and on a network but I can't see the interface when doing ifconfig -a
[20:32:37] <EdwardOCallaghan> Any one around to help please?
[20:33:35] <trygvis> you might need to plumb it
[20:34:04] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hi
[20:34:11] <EdwardOCallaghan> What does that mean?
[20:34:31] <trygvis> man ifconfig, search for plumb
[20:34:46] <EdwardOCallaghan> OK thanks
[20:34:59] <EdwardOCallaghan> I found this on google http://www.adminschoice.com/docs/solaris_network_configuration.html
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[20:37:32] <EdwardOCallaghan> I am at a mates house and his only laptop/system with a serial port is a windows 2000 pc that takes 2000yearsto boot
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[20:38:16] <EdwardOCallaghan> NB this keybroad is bad as its a laptop!
[20:41:44] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hold on we need to reboot a win2000(hair ball) 11times
[20:41:49] <EdwardOCallaghan> Oh no 12
[20:43:06] <EdwardOCallaghan> Is every one a sleep?
[20:43:25] <whaq> is that a start tattoo on the right bosom?
[20:47:02] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hi whaq
[20:47:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hows it going?
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[20:52:19] <whaq> hi.. nothin much, browsing, reading zfs admin guide and watching derren brown..
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[21:01:30] <EdwardOCallaghan> Ah yes
[21:02:04] <EdwardOCallaghan> Would you mind helping me config this Solaris 9 box please so I can ping google.com
[21:02:38] 
[21:02:47] <EdwardOCallaghan> Now I have a interface
[21:03:08] <trygvis> do you use dhcp?
[21:03:15] <EdwardOCallaghan> Yes
[21:03:28] <trygvis> then touch the dhcp interface file under /etc
[21:03:29] <EdwardOCallaghan> How do I sent that up on Solaris 9 ?
[21:03:34] <trygvis> like: touch /etc/dhcp.hme0
[21:03:55] <trygvis> unless you get an hostname from the dhcp server, echo hostname > /etc/nodename
[21:04:02] <trygvis> then reboot
[21:04:19] <trygvis> I'm no expert, but that should just about do it
[21:05:19] <EdwardOCallaghan> Thanks waitting for the box to come down...
[21:07:40] <EdwardOCallaghan> It says that the interface hme0 can not be found ?
[21:08:01] <EdwardOCallaghan> But there is a ethernet port on the Ultra 10
[21:08:25] <trygvis> you said you plumbed it?
[21:08:48] 
[21:09:06] <EdwardOCallaghan> I have little understand of plumb ?
[21:09:30] <EdwardOCallaghan> I have not seen the term before
[21:09:44] <EdwardOCallaghan> Could you please take the time to explain ?
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[21:10:24] <trygvis> it just loads the driver
[21:10:28] <jamesd> EdwardOCallaghan, connect the pipes to the netwrok interface.
[21:10:31] <EdwardOCallaghan> Ah
[21:11:04] 
[21:11:04] <EdwardOCallaghan> but it did not hold the settings on reboot
[21:11:45] <trygvis> try touching /etc/hostname.hme0 too
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[21:12:04] <trygvis> I though having only the dhcp.hme0 file enough
[21:12:45] <jamesd> just run  sys-unconfig and it will ask you all the questions to reconfigure networking and root passwd.
[21:13:00] <EdwardOCallaghan> Ah yes
[21:13:12] <EdwardOCallaghan> I remember reading about that
[21:13:25] <EdwardOCallaghan> OK just bring down the box agine
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[21:16:24] <tomww> ifconfig hme0 dhcp
[21:17:45] <EdwardOCallaghan> OK thanks guys that last trick did it all
[21:17:53] <EdwardOCallaghan> Many thanks
[21:18:06] <trygvis> tomww: that'll work until you reboot
[21:20:21] <EdwardOCallaghan> No after reboot all was well after I touched that file
[21:23:43] <EdwardOCallaghan> Next up Apache
[21:23:52] <EdwardOCallaghan> pkg_add apache right?
[21:24:05] <trygvis> pkg-get apache2
[21:25:17] <EdwardOCallaghan> pkgadd: ERROR: no packages were found in </var/spool/pkg> How do I fill my ports?
[21:25:22] <EdwardOCallaghan> Oh hold on
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[21:26:18] <n0se> I have this problem configuring serial console
[21:26:20] <EdwardOCallaghan> No pkg-get
[21:26:25] <n0se> It works with the normal boot, but it doesn't work with the failsafe boot
[21:26:32] <n0se> it is Solaris 10 1/06 Intel
[21:26:50] <EdwardOCallaghan> Oh this is a SPARC by the way
[21:26:51] <n0se> It prints this question: Do you wish to automatically update this boot archive? on the screen output not serial console
[21:27:04] <n0se> The message from the kernel startup appears on the serial console, but the previous message appears in the screen output (crt)
[21:27:15] <n0se> any idea?
[21:28:20] <trygvis> EdwardOCallaghan: get it from blastwave.org
[21:32:38] <EdwardOCallaghan> Yes just trying now
[21:32:47] <EdwardOCallaghan> Arr no wget :/
[21:32:54] <EdwardOCallaghan> :O Oh no...?
[21:33:16] <gisburn> EdwardOCallaghan: usr/sfw/bin/wget
[21:33:38] <gisburn> or install ksh93 which has networking support
[21:34:06] <delewis> a shell? with networking support?
[21:34:17] <richlowe> you're surprised?
[21:34:32] <delewis> richlowe, no, and that's what is scary.
[21:34:39] <EdwardOCallaghan> How can I install anything if I don't have wget?
[21:34:41] <richlowe> I think the problem is the assumption that ksh is say, competing with bash or zsh.
[21:34:48] <richlowe> it's far more in the domain of perl. :)
[21:34:51] <trygvis> EdwardOCallaghan: read the instructions
[21:34:55] <richlowe> large, ugly, and generally the wrong solution ;)
[21:34:56] * richlowe ducks
[21:35:07] * delewis watches dragons eat richlowe
[21:35:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> nods
[21:35:16] <trygvis> soon the shells will have web service-support!
[21:35:39] <delewis> next thing you know, you'll be able to execute commands with ksh!
[21:35:42] <delewis> oh, wait.
[21:37:05] <EdwardOCallaghan> What the... How do you do anything without wget ?
[21:37:31] <delewis> richlowe, speaking of doing wrong things with perl -- someone in the #perl channel just asked for documentation on Perl/OpenGL.
[21:37:40] <jbk> hahahaha
[21:37:45] <delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, why do you not have wget?
[21:37:50] <jbk> end times
[21:37:57] <richlowe> delewis: now *there's* something ksh doesn't have. :)
[21:37:58] <delewis> yeah :-(
[21:38:01] <delewis> oh, no, I better hush
[21:38:05] <delewis> I'm giving gisburn ideas
[21:38:20] * delewis images SUNWksh93 depending on SUNWopengl
[21:38:33] <delewis> imagines, rather.
[21:38:34] <EdwardOCallaghan> Well I don't know its Solaris 9 ?
[21:38:55] <EdwardOCallaghan> Where is it located maybe I don't know the path?
[21:38:59] <delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, ftp into sunfreeware.mirrors.tds.net
[21:39:07] <delewis> and grab SMCwget
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[21:41:51] <pseudoXh4> Anyone have luck with Intel 3945 ABG on OpenSolaris?
[21:41:57] <pseudoXh4> Using ndiswrapper?
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[21:45:39] <dwc-> telnet port 80 | sed > file
[21:45:42] <dwc-> who needs wget ;)
[21:46:02] <EdwardOCallaghan> Sorry how does that work?
[21:46:23] <EdwardOCallaghan> Wait a sec
[21:46:26] <dwc-> learn to speak http
[21:46:28] <EdwardOCallaghan> Thats clever
[21:46:41] <dwc-> not .... particularly
[21:46:52] <EdwardOCallaghan> Yes I have lessons twice a week :D
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[21:49:00] <EdwardOCallaghan> So say I want to download http://www.blastwave.org/pkg_get.pkg
[21:49:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> Hows that done?
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[21:51:00] <jamesd> wget works usually
[21:53:04] <reflect> back in the day, you had to spend some time after a freshly installed system.. just to update it with tools needed (such as wget)
[21:53:39] <reflect> sol8 improved that a bit.. and I guess each release after that has added more tools
[21:55:36] <EdwardOCallaghan> I am on Solaris 9 and a bit lost
[21:56:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> wget = nothing can be done for me at the moment untill one of you guys teaches me some more
[21:56:37] <reflect> can't you download the package on another computer and then transfer it over to your solaris system?
[21:57:19] <trygvis> just use ftp to get ftp as delewis said
[21:58:39] <EdwardOCallaghan> Trying
[21:58:52] <EdwardOCallaghan> Where are the man pages
[21:59:11] <EdwardOCallaghan> What the hell has Solaris 9 got ?
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[22:05:54] <delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, you did a core install didn't you?
[22:06:05] <delewis> Solaris 9 9/05 has wget.
[22:06:31] <delewis> and this has little to do with OpenSolaris, just so you know.
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[22:08:58] <EdwardOCallaghan> Guys I need help with this missing wget
[22:09:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> Once I got it I am flying here
[22:09:21] <delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, you obviously don't listen very well.
[22:09:54] <EdwardOCallaghan> I am but 9 is missing everything?
[22:10:04] <EdwardOCallaghan> I can man page anything
[22:10:05] <delewis> and I asked a question
[22:10:12] <delewis> did you do a core install?
[22:10:18] <reflect> 21:38 < delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, ftp into sunfreeware.mirrors.tds.net and grab SMCwget
[22:10:33] <delewis> reflect, even so, Solaris 9 has wget and he's missing man pages.
[22:10:44] <delewis> this leads me to conclude he did a core install and wonders why he's missing everything
[22:10:49] <delewis> and aside from this, it has *nothing* to do with OpenSolaris.
[22:11:03] <EdwardOCallaghan> Oh sorry
[22:12:52] <EdwardOCallaghan> I looked here /usr/sfw/bin/wget but could not find it
[22:13:57] * delewis wonders if EdwardOCallaghan is able to parse what he's saying
[22:13:58] <EdwardOCallaghan> No I did not do a core install, sorry I did not see that there I am googling at the same time... I got the system with it pre installed
[22:14:24] <delewis> EdwardOCallaghan, how did you know if its a core install or not if it was pre-installed?
[22:14:28] <delewis> and yes, it's a core install.
[22:14:36] <delewis> which is basically worthless for your intents and purposes.
[22:14:48] <delewis> grab the Solaris 9 and 10 media and a re-install.
[22:15:09] <delewis> s/a/do/
[22:15:11] <EdwardOCallaghan> Sorry I am Dyslexic
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[22:15:25] <EdwardOCallaghan> OK will do
[22:15:37] <pseudoXh4> Wow.
[22:15:41] <pseudoXh4> I should use that as an excuse sometime..
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[22:15:51] <pseudoXh4> Next time someone asks me to read a manpage, I'll be like "I'm dyslexic."
[22:15:51] <pseudoXh4> :D
[22:18:09] <jamesd>  pseudoXh4 maybe next time i will    kcik/  you
[22:18:41] <pseudoXh4> I'll save that for another time. ;)
[22:19:13] <pseudoXh4> Thanks for the offer though.
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[22:21:27] <cla> lolz
[22:21:30] * gisburn wonders whether dclarke would be interested in a pkg-get version which can bootstrap itself...
[22:32:05] * gisburn wonders whether he should add OpenGL support to dtksh ...
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[22:36:56] <pseudoXh4> Anyone have experience with ndis wrapper and either Intel 3945ABG or RaLink RT73?
[22:40:09] <EdwardOCallaghan> OK guys downloading Solaris 10
[22:40:17] <EdwardOCallaghan> Thanks for your help
[22:41:02] <EdwardOCallaghan> Sorry if I may some times come across like i'm not lissening it's only becuase when I am reading too much I get confused...
[22:41:08] <EdwardOCallaghan> Many thanks
[22:41:14] <EdwardOCallaghan> Night
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[22:46:52] <gisburn> Mhhh... what about writing a java mini-VM in a scripting language ?
[22:47:27] <trygvis> why? there are already a couple of complete, very small JVMs
[22:49:13] <gisburn> trygvis: I was joking... waiting for someone asking something like "... written in ksh, right ? ..." ... :-)
[22:49:36] <trygvis> ah, hehe
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[22:50:51] <gisburn> I am somewhat stunned that people complain that ksh93 has networking support.
[22:51:29] <gisburn> This kind of support allows the creation of portable networked applications AND costs less than 0.2% of the total code size of the shell.
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[23:32:46] <reflect> has schillix slowed down? seems to have been a while since the last release now
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[23:38:01] <gisburn> heh
[23:38:06] <gisburn> "Testing the brakes of the Vulcan included strapping the company photographer Paul Culerne to the front landing gear with the aircraft moving at full landing speed and photographing the brakes in operation. [4]"
[23:38:22] <gisburn> poor guy
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[23:40:45] <g4lt-U60> gisburn, and this is why gdamore will soon regret tadpole being taken over by an aircraft company ;P
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[23:40:59] <reflect> oh, I have a question.. my old server has an opteron 142 in it, and opensolaris complains that the bios is unpatched against erratum 109..   now, if I upgrade the processor, has that been fixed in the cpu then?
[23:42:28] <gisburn> I guess yes, but be aware of erratum 666
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[23:46:39] * gisburn wonders whether reflect got the joke...
[23:47:27] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
[23:47:42] <gisburn> alanc: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6505141 was marked duplicate... against... what ?
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[23:56:13] <reflect> interesting.. seems you can update the internal microcode of the processor to fix errors
[23:58:31] <laca> gisburn: 6437624





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