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[00:01:48] <hspaans> someone knows if postgresql is safe on zfs?
[00:02:29] <jmcp> hspaans: yes, it is
[00:02:34] <jmcp> why do you think it might not be?
[00:03:20] <quasi> hspaans: we're doing quite nicely with it
[00:03:38] <hspaans> only the questions from a pgsql developer about locking on this channel
[00:04:05] <quasi> hspaans: http://www.lethargy.org/~jesus/archives/77-Choosing-Solaris-10-over-Linux.html
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[00:15:28] <gisburn> Good moring Ladies, Gentlemen and Eunuchs...
[00:16:26] * gisburn is ready to start a "who had the worst day in his life"-contest...
[00:16:29] <_william_> hi gisburn
[00:16:54] <gisburn> _william_: Hi! :-)
[00:19:23] <gisburn> Is there any good news which I could use to cheer up my mind ?
[00:21:21] <myrkraverk> hmm, why is there no opensolaris theme song, like openbsd have?
[00:21:37] <gisburn> myrkraverk: I want a mascott first.
[00:21:44] <myrkraverk> gisburn: ah ;)
[00:21:49] <gisburn> A cute one.
[00:22:21] <myrkraverk> definitely not lara croft then ;P
[00:22:32] <delewis> definitely not.
[00:22:34] <hspaans> quasi: interesting posting
[00:22:48] <tomww>
[00:23:40] <quasi> hspaans: yeah - Theo runs some very large postgres instances
[00:24:02] <bengtf> hmm, still tracking down my x64 java program failure, seems to work if I run the same program from remote X ...., is it then the nvidia device driver that spooks ? I use a EN6600 card with snv-53
[00:26:12] <quasi> gisburn: you could always go looking at the darwin awards to see that some people are slightly worse off and use that to cheer yourself up ;)
[00:26:39] <gisburn> quasi: URL ?
[00:26:50] <hspaans> gisburn: http://www.lethargy.org/~jesus/archives/77-Choosing-Solaris-10-over-Linux.html
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[00:27:08] <hspaans> ow the other ;-)
[00:27:18] <bengtf> gisburn: do you play wii ? then look at wiidamage.com ;)
[00:27:56] <gisburn> bengtf: no, but I habour the desire to throw some people into a can with boiling acid.
[00:28:20] <bengtf> not necessary when they play wii ;)
[00:28:39] <bengtf> they do it themselves ...
[00:28:50] <gisburn> bengtf: lemmings ?
[00:29:20] <hspaans> quasi: I'm  btw wondering how far Sun is going with postgresql. SunMC is just one example
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[00:30:46] <quasi> gisburn: google ;)
[00:31:42] <quasi> hspaans: I don't know - but iirc, they hired one of the core postgres people a while back
[00:32:11] * gisburn needs to write a fa rmore brutal and bloodspilling game than GNAW! ...
[00:32:34] <quasi> gisburn: http://darwinawards.com
[00:34:12] <Stric> gisburn: you mean.. like pong?
[00:35:28] <gisburn> QUake2 in God mode and RapidBFG mod would be a good beginning.
[00:36:45] <ShadowHntr> damn
[00:36:54] <alanc> if only bugs.opensolaris.org had the ability to add comments to bugs you could have some fun with the "/sbin/sh is too ancient" bug filed this morning
[00:36:55] <hspaans> quasi: good to hear
[00:36:56] <ShadowHntr> there's gotta be more patches to apply than 121118-08
[00:36:57] <ShadowHntr> :P
[00:37:04] <ShadowHntr> on an unpatched 6/06 release
[00:37:06] <ShadowHntr> :P
[00:37:41] <jmcp> alanc: how ancient is "too ancient" ?
[00:38:21] <jmcp> is there a "just ancient enough" category?
[00:38:38] <gisburn> alanc: bugid ?
[00:39:07] <alanc> [10:04 PST] <alanc> that'll make gisburn's day:  CR 6504720 Created P5 opensolaris/triage-queue /bin/sh is too antequated to be considered a "normal" shell
[00:39:29] <ShadowHntr> ROFL
[00:39:30] <ShadowHntr> good luck.
[00:39:31] <ShadowHntr> :P
[00:39:41] <gisburn> "No results were found for your search. Try refining your search."
[00:39:43] <gisburn> crap
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[00:39:55] <richlowe> if it was filed this morning, you probably won't see it until tomorrow.
[00:40:25] <alanc> it's already been moved from the triage queue to solaris/shell/bourne
[00:40:44] <richlowe> alanc: b.o.o syncs up daily-ish, apparently.
[00:40:48] <alanc> Steps to Reproduce
[00:40:48] <alanc>    test `set -o` || {
[00:40:48] <alanc>   echo we are hosed
[00:40:48] <alanc>   exit 1
[00:40:48] <alanc> }
[00:40:50] <alanc> Expected Result
[00:40:53] <alanc>    A list of settable shell options.
[00:40:56] <alanc> Actual Result
[00:40:59] <alanc>    -o: bad option(s)
[00:41:00] <alanc> we are hosed
[00:41:37] <gisburn> heh
[00:43:33] <hspaans> quasi: Theo is wicked, but has some good points for large installations
[00:46:34] <onbot> commit by Christopher Horne:  PSARC/2006/673 ddi-instance-blocks_driver.conf_property; 6467149 instance number not assigned in order on quad gigabit ethernet card; 6489152 path_to_inst is not always synced automatically
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[00:48:04] <onbot> commit by sl108498:  6354498 rctl_local_replace_cb needs to remove new value when deletion fails; 6504130 pool service not enabled when zone with tmp pool not booted before reboot; 6504424 halting zones in parallel can fail, unable to unconfigure network interfaces
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[00:48:58] <gisburn> onbot: help in his dumb bot
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[00:49:14] <gisburn> s/his/this/
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[00:49:59] <gisburn> too bad, no recurisve loop... ;-(
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[00:51:45] <alanc> hmm, looked like it matched the command text from http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Misc.html
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[00:52:31] <gisburn> onbot: tell alanc alanc: Blablablabla
[00:52:42] <gisburn> ;-(
[00:53:16] <alanc> oh well, not like it needs to do more than announce putbacks anyway
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[00:58:32] <richlowe> the less it does other than announce putbacks the better. :)
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[01:04:31] <richlowe> not ambitious enough.
[01:04:32] <richlowe> replace the gate staff. :)
[01:05:41] <gisburn> dduvall: ping!
[01:06:23] <dmick> gisburn: the command you want is "/query dduvall"
[01:07:45] * gisburn tries /tasering dduval # first
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[01:44:58] <jbk> evening
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[01:50:40] <gisburn> is anyone having here a blade 1000 around ?
[01:50:47] <delewis> gisburn, I do
[01:51:00] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[01:51:07] <edwardocallaghan> How fast are they? ^
[01:51:18] <gisburn> delewis: I connected a new machine from ebay to power, 13W monitor, USB keyboard, mouse etc.
[01:51:28] <gisburn> delewis: I pressed the front button to power it up...
[01:51:31] <delewis> quite fast, though, mine has a non-CU UltraSPARC-IIIs, so it could be faster.
[01:51:34] <gisburn> delewis: ... nothing happens.
[01:51:40] <delewis> gisburn, re-seat the CPUs
[01:51:55] <delewis> I'm guessing you aren't hearing beep?
[01:52:04] <gisburn> no
[01:52:05] <delewis> and then the fan RPMs going up?
[01:52:10] <gisburn> no
[01:52:14] <delewis> yeah, that's most likely from the CPUs not being seated well.
[01:52:21] <gisburn> ok
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[01:52:43] <edwardocallaghan> Cheak the RAM as well
[01:52:59] <edwardocallaghan> I order one from ebay and the RAM was a bit out
[01:53:18] <sommerfeld> yah, the cpu module connectors in the SB1k was a little .. touchy
[01:53:27] <delewis> gisburn, afterwards, I suggest you stress test it using SunVTS ASAP
[01:53:34] <sommerfeld> note that they included a torque wrench for a reason
[01:53:47] <delewis> the UltraSPARC-III processors are very, very fragile
[01:54:02] <delewis> I had to have the two in my SB1000 replaced within a month when I received it
[01:54:23] <edwardocallaghan> How are the SB2000 ?
[01:54:25] <richlowe> does 'nothing happens' include the sun logo not lighting up?
[01:54:26] <delewis> but once I got the new ones in, I haven't had any trouble since.
[01:54:30] <delewis> edp, SB1000 == SB2000
[01:54:36] <Stric> edwardocallaghan: same as 1k but faster cpus ;)
[01:54:37] <delewis> with a slightly different fan tray.
[01:55:08] <delewis> richlowe, the light comes on when the fan RPMs increase and the beep occurs
[01:55:21] <sommerfeld> gisburn: How well packed was it, and how far did it travel?
[01:55:53] <gisburn> sommerfeld: styropor junk and ~~800km
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[01:56:34] <edwardocallaghan> Do you guys think ebay is a good place to buy this kind of gear ?
[01:56:37] <delewis> large temperature variances also tend to do funny things to CPU
[01:56:40] <delewis> CPUs*
[01:56:43] <sommerfeld> is that packing peanuts, or solid pieces of foam?
[01:56:49] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, yes, provided you get some sort of 30-90 day warranty.
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[01:57:16] <delewis> I had one with my SB1000, and it was well-worth it when I found out the CPUs were defunct.
[01:57:39] <sommerfeld> i once took a tour of the federal express sorting hub in memphis while it was in operation.
[01:57:46] <sommerfeld> definitely something to make you pack stuff more carefully.
[01:58:43] <dmick> yes, the old American Tourister suitcase ads with the gorillas did not take into account the mechanical gorillas
[01:58:48] * delewis recalls when some Fedex sysadmin re-formatted their IBM's mainframe OS installation back in the 80s
[01:59:03] <delewis> every Fedex employee was recalled to do manual sorting for the period of 24 hours
[01:59:14] <delewis> until they could do a manual restoration
[01:59:25] * delewis lives about an hour away from Memphis
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[02:00:10] <delewis> this is what prompted IBM to purchase 7 more multi-million dollar mainframes for the Memphis hub and to purchase another facility in Utah where 14 more backup IBM mainframes were kept
[02:00:22] <edwardocallaghan> what a dum ass ?
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[02:01:18] <sommerfeld> yah, fedex resorts to brute force to solve problems.
[02:01:56] <sommerfeld> big nylon webbing tie-down straps for the nose wheels of their A3x0 jumbo freighters.
[02:02:01] <delewis> well, what's funny was their was a broadcast over every Memphis news channel for every Fedex Memphis employee to return to the facility.
[02:02:06] <delewis> s/their/there/
[02:02:25] <sommerfeld> so they aren't sad if the CG of the plane+cargo momentarily winds up behind the rear wheels during loading.
[02:02:40] <delewis> which I thought was a great way to handle investor relations
[02:02:44] * delewis coughs
[02:02:56] <sommerfeld> tour guide said they learned to do that the hard way..
[02:03:14] <delewis> but it was still impressive that they could do manual sorting for a period of 24 hours and not lose a single package and meet the deadlines
[02:03:39] <richlowe> not lose *any more packages than normal* :)
[02:04:20] <sommerfeld> saw bags of overnight letters scattered randomly on the tarmac.  apparently they figured out it was better to let them fall off the trucks and sweep em up later than to stop & go back to pick them up when oyu dropped one..
[02:04:44] <delewis> heh
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[02:05:37] <sommerfeld> and there were status screens everywhere in the facility letting you know how much time was left in the sort.
[02:06:06] <delewis> Fedex recently shipped an A5200 to me. I felt sorry for the poor guy that had to deliver a 150Lbs package.
[02:06:22] <delewis> and it took several days for it to be delivered past the expected delivery date.
[02:06:34] <delewis> I guess they drew straws.
[02:06:35] <sommerfeld> yah, something that large goes into one of the special-case paths.
[02:07:00] <delewis> well, it was delievered as Fedex Ground/Residential and the maximum package weight is 150Lbs.
[02:08:49] <Auralis> heh, i got my e4k via fedex shiped from the us to .de
[02:08:56] <delewis> ouch.
[02:09:06] <delewis> the seller that sent my E4500 was intelligent enough to ship it freight
[02:09:10] <Auralis> back then it was cheaper then buying local
[02:09:29] <delewis> and ironically, the shipping charge on the A5200 (which weighs around 150Lbs) was more expensive than freight shipping for the E4500 (which is closer to 200-200Lbs)
[02:09:49] <delewis> $158 v. $200, IIRC.
[02:11:03] <edwardocallaghan> How much did you get your SB1000 for if you don't mind me asking?
[02:11:05] <delewis> and getting that E4500 from my office into the garage was a bitch, considering that its a good 20-30 feet.
[02:11:17] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, around $650 about a year ago.
[02:11:32] <edwardocallaghan> disburn ?
[02:13:09] <gisburn> SHIT
[02:13:12] <gisburn> no response
[02:13:46] <edwardocallaghan> Did you cheak the RAM ?
[02:13:53] <delewis> gisburn, try doing one processor at a time
[02:14:12] <delewis> and make sure you don't torque the processors too much
[02:14:21] <delewis> never torque them until you can't torque anymore
[02:14:24] <delewis> you stop *way* before that
[02:14:39] <delewis> basically, just until they're secure
[02:14:43] <gisburn> i know
[02:15:24] <delewis> gisburn, also make sure you have the side panel on good
[02:15:37] <delewis> the system won't even power up if you don't have it on good.
[02:16:18] <edwardocallaghan> Why does the Ultra 45 not yet have a IV+ in ?
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[02:16:38] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, cost, I would imagine.
[02:16:43] <delewis> UltraSPARC IV+'s are pretty pricey.
[02:17:07] <delewis> one processor probably costs what the base Ultra 45 configuration retails for, alone.
[02:17:29] <edwardocallaghan> But are they not old now?
[02:17:36] <edwardocallaghan> The current config I mean
[02:17:52] <edwardocallaghan> If you can buy a SB2000 for that much on ebay?
[02:18:23] <Auralis> edwardocallaghan: because there is no IV+
[02:19:40] <delewis> Auralis, Sun disagrees.
[02:19:51] <Auralis> err scratch that, was thinking bout IV+i
[02:19:56] <delewis> hehe
[02:20:01] <Auralis> since the 45 has the IIIi
[02:20:29] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, IIIi's are also much better on power consumption and heat disipation.
[02:21:15] <sommerfeld> no IVi or IVi+
[02:21:54] <edwardocallaghan> what's the I mean?
[02:21:58] <edwardocallaghan> i
[02:22:27] <Auralis> integrated
[02:22:35] <Auralis> refering to the memory controler
[02:22:38] <gisburn> I should get a OBP console with an Elite3D framebuffer, right ?
[02:22:45] <Auralis> yes
[02:22:48] <delewis> gisburn, of course
[02:23:01] <delewis> unless you are hearing the beep you're not even getting to OBP initialization, though.
[02:23:05] <delewis> you're still in the midst of POST.
[02:23:23] <edwardocallaghan> and the + ?
[02:23:47] <gisburn> delewis: post seems to be done
[02:23:52] <gisburn> delewis: since a while
[02:23:56] <delewis> gisburn, did you hear a beep?
[02:25:51] <Auralis> + means better, its a newer updated version
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[02:32:35] <alanc> it feels so subversive to fill in bugster evaluation fields with nothing but "See description."...
[02:39:54] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone know if Sun give discounts to a student who wants a T1 ?
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[02:41:08] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, for some reason, I doubt it.
[02:41:17] <delewis> but I would be pleasantly surprised if it were true.
[02:41:35] <Auralis> go through your universeitys it department, that should get you a discount
[02:42:11] <edwardocallaghan> I am not at uni yet
[02:42:27] <edwardocallaghan> England fucked up my education
[02:42:40] <edwardocallaghan> And no one can speak english here
[02:43:14] <edwardocallaghan> So I am taking it a pone myself to go to Australia
[02:43:36] <edwardocallaghan> I got to get this cheat x-ray or something
[02:43:47] <edwardocallaghan> Oh so complicated
[02:43:52] <edwardocallaghan> All these steps
[02:47:34] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry carry on...
[02:48:04] <onbot> commit by Scott Carter:  6494832 DCS reports zero e-cache on OPL domains.
[02:52:17] <gisburn> ok.. when a blade1000 does two "dork dork" at startup - what does that mean ?
[02:52:27] * gisburn does not have a nullmodem cable at home... ;-(
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[02:55:59] <ShadowHntr> here goes trying to patch my system...
[02:56:03] <ShadowHntr> about 18 patches to install...
[02:56:16] <ShadowHntr> more like 40.
[02:56:31] <richlowe> gisburn: disks waking up? :)
[02:56:41] <richlowe> either way.
[02:56:42] <ShadowHntr> hope it doesn't have to reboot my machine... :P
[02:56:49] <richlowe> gisburn: how long are you giving it?
[02:56:52] <gisburn> richlowe: yes
[02:56:58] <gisburn> richlowe: 10min now
[02:57:11] <richlowe> if diag-switch?=true and diag-level=max, it may not be exactly the fastest boot you're used to.
[02:57:12] <gisburn> richlowe: disks are spinning up
[02:57:31] <richlowe> and I somewhat recall the diags running before the fans kick in.
[02:57:39] <gisburn> richlowe: how long do you mean should I give it for 1GB ?
[02:58:49] <richlowe> Not sure, I would think it would react within 10m.
[02:59:00] <gisburn> and the LEDs on the keyboard do not respond
[02:59:04] <richlowe> I just didn't want you to be sitting there cycling it after 30 seconds or a minute, not realizing it maybe running the diags at max. :)
[02:59:17] <gisburn> fuck
[02:59:37] <gisburn> and there wend my last money for this year
[02:59:38] <delewis> diags don't take that long on an SB1000
[02:59:59] <delewis> and they happen before the beep
[03:00:02] <delewis> which he has heard.
[03:00:19] <delewis> I think the screen variable has been re-defined to be term a
[03:00:28] <delewis> gisburn, did you do a Stop-n like I asked?
[03:00:48] <gisburn> yes
[03:00:54] <delewis> :-(
[03:01:15] <delewis> find yourself a null modem cable ASAP then -- until then, there's not much you can do.
[03:01:26] <gisburn> the caps LEDs should work, right ?
[03:01:34] <gisburn> for caps-lock
[03:01:37] <gisburn> at OBP level
[03:01:41] <gisburn> right ?
[03:01:43] <delewis> I should think so
[03:01:46] <alanc> yes
[03:01:51] <gisburn> doesn't work here.
[03:02:00] <alanc> bad keyboard?
[03:02:04] <edwardocallaghan> Oh there is a jumper to clear the PROM right?
[03:02:59] <alanc> think I only have the one german type 7 here though, no spares
[03:03:04] <richlowe> or perhaps just a keyboard it dislikes.
[03:03:47] <alanc> yeah, think you need a rather recent OBP for Type 7 keyboards to work - not sure if they've released that as a patch for SB1000
[03:04:00] <richlowe> I believe they work.
[03:04:03] <delewis> well, if its beeping and he's not getting any output on the Elite 3D then something must be happening during OBP initialization
[03:04:14] <richlowe> but I somewhat recall USB sparcs being somewhat picky about other keyboards.
[03:04:15] <delewis> memory initialization occurs after the banner is printed, which could indicate a bad DIMM.
[03:04:33] <richlowe> delewis: I didn't think he'd got the actual beep.
[03:04:50] <delewis> richlowe, he claimed to hear a "dunk dunk"
[03:05:03] <delewis> I can't recall if its one beep or two
[03:05:15] <delewis> and I don't want to power off my SB1000 to see :-)
[03:05:26] <richlowe> dunk dunk makes me think disks.
[03:05:31] <richlowe> beep would make me think, well, beep.
[03:05:32] <richlowe> ;)
[03:05:37] <delewis> disks only spin up after the beep
[03:05:43] <Auralis> the dunk dunk is normal, its shortly before the fans spin up iirc
[03:05:47] <delewis> disks, fans, and the led light comes on after the beep.
[03:05:58] <delewis> well, simultaneously.
[03:06:11] <delewis> for instance, you won't hear the disk spin-up if the processors aren't seated well, and thus, POST fails.
[03:06:16] <alanc> it's been too long since I powered up a SB1000
[03:06:22] <alanc> don't remember
[03:07:15] <gisburn> the machine how makes a periodical "klock klock klock <pause ca. 30secs> klock klock klock"
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[03:07:27] <alanc> ah, there it is - everyone needs a Sun German keyboard so they can have "Eignschaften" and "Vordergrund" keys...
[03:07:46] <alanc> like the hard disk is stuck or like it's trying to find a cd-rom in the cd drive?
[03:08:59] <gisburn> yes
[03:09:11] <alanc> can't tell which it is?
[03:09:17] <gisburn> but the machine has no cdrom
[03:09:46] <delewis> I'll be powering down my SB1000 to move it shortly, and I'll record the various noises I hear from it when I power it back up
[03:09:47] <Auralis> rip everything except a cpu and 4 dimms out?
[03:10:26] <alanc> need to train onbot to report new headsup/flagday messages - there have been several today alone: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/56-60/
[03:10:38] <alanc> (and another one for rsync just went through)
[03:12:15] <richlowe> alanc: I've had no luck even getting it sent out via mail.
[03:12:18] <richlowe> alanc: so good luck.
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[03:15:27] <gisburn> I removed the disks...
[03:21:49] <edwardocallaghan> See you all
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[03:31:45] <gisburn> ok, I am screwed.
[03:32:49] <dclarke> hello
[03:33:24] <dclarke> question : was openssl included in Solaris 10 update 3 by default ?  and more up to date ?
[03:36:03] <alanc> openssl has been in Solaris 10 since the first release
[03:36:32] <alanc> updating it breaks software though, since openssl community doesn't believe in binary compatibility
[03:36:33] <dclarke> yeah but its in /usr/sfw and not in /usr area
[03:36:50] <dclarke> I mean /usr/bin
[03:37:29] <alanc> I don't think it can be easily moved in an update release
[03:38:32] <dclarke> I was running a speed test here on a machine and the version provided with the OS dumps core
[03:38:41] <dclarke> I thought .. gee ... that can't be right
[03:39:06] <dclarke> I'll boot my fresh install of S10u3 and see if it does the same thing
[03:40:17] <Error_404> hey dclarke
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[03:40:32] <dclarke> hello
[03:40:56] <Error_404> how's it going?
[03:41:32] <dclarke> dunno .. I was doing a quick speed test on a new box here and the openssl binary dumps core
[03:41:37] <dclarke> so .. thats odd
[03:41:48] <dclarke> the version from Blastwave runs fine however
[03:42:29] <Error_404> openssl from sun?
[03:42:33] <Error_404> dumps core, i mean
[03:42:46] <dclarke> yeah .. I must have something wonky on my end
[03:43:33] <richlowe> how did you run it?
[03:43:38] <dclarke> just for a lark .. give it a try .. run  /usr/sfw/bin/openssl speed
[03:44:55] <richlowe> seems to be doing just fine on snv_53 and the gate as of tuesday evening.
[03:45:42] <dclarke> it finished already ?
[03:45:51] <dclarke> I find that *hard* to believe
[03:45:56] <richlowe> not yet, but you didn't say where it crashed.
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[03:46:06] <richlowe> that's why I said 'seems to be' rather than a definite statement.
[03:46:33] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/openssl_speed.txt
[03:47:23] <Error_404> probably the sort of thing that should be filed, no?
[03:47:43] <dclarke> Error_404: I may not have this box patched up to date yet
[03:47:52] <dclarke> Error_404: that version of openssl is old
[03:48:21] <dclarke> Error_404: see the difference in revs between the Sun version and the Blastwave version ?  way different
[03:49:12] <dclarke> it could be something minor ... like gee .. I need to apply a patch
[03:50:22] <dclarke> I just checked it on UltraSparc .. it seg faults there also
[03:50:33] <dclarke> so .. two different machines .. both seg fault
[03:50:42] <alanc> hmm, mine didn't go into the aes-192 that yours did
[03:50:48] <richlowe> that would be    6343622
[03:50:53] <alanc> wonder if that needs the encryption kit install
[03:50:54] <alanc> ed
[03:50:55] <richlowe> or at least similar to it.
[03:51:00] <richlowe> aes-192 needs SUNWcry, yes.
[03:51:09] <dclarke> what is 6343622 ?
[03:51:25] <richlowe> a CR id.
[03:51:28] <dclarke> damn .. that SUNWcry issue
[03:51:34] <alanc> 6343622 openssl speed runs into brick wall of aes-192 cbc
[03:51:35] <dclarke> that figures
[03:51:42] <richlowe> that's actually a duplicate of the bug you wan't, but since b.o.o doesn't link us back to the original anymore, I can't find it.
[03:51:49] <alanc> closed as dup of 6214768 openssl speed test tries to run aes-192-cbc when SUNWcry is not installed
[03:52:02] <dclarke> okay .. its well documented
[03:52:37] <richlowe> and I have no idea how 'want' ended up with an apostrophe.
[03:53:12] <dclarke> I'm not sure .. but .. I may have a world speed record thing here
[03:53:29] <dclarke> with Solaris 10 and Studio 11 on AMD Opterons .. nothing is faster
[03:53:44] <dclarke> and before I publish my results .. I wanted to be sure
[03:53:55] <dclarke> I was looking at a few things and openssl came to mind
[03:54:03] <dclarke> thats how this came up
[03:55:11] <dclarke> we have a tweaked build of radience and its fast .. real real fast
[03:55:35] <charlieS> I thought zfs detach was implemented in 11/06??
[03:55:38] <dclarke> so we figured that we would do a few tests and then .. if all looks repeatable .. post the benchmark results
[03:56:00] <Error_404> dclarke: your computer is about twice as fast as mine
[03:56:42] <richlowe> charlieS: zoneadm detach, may be.  'zfs detach' doesn't exist.
[03:56:51] <richlowe> zpool detach, maybe, too.
[03:56:57] <charlieS> er, wrong word :P
[03:57:09] <dclarke> Error_404: is that all?
[03:57:20] <charlieS> I mean zones.. but oooh, are you implying I can remove disks from a zpool now too?
[03:57:21] <dclarke> Error_404: you ain't seen nothing yet :-)
[03:58:06] * Error_404 pets his poor little sempron
[03:58:43] * dclarke will be back in a bit
[03:59:08] <Error_404> huh, actually that machine is almost precisely twice as powerful as mine
[03:59:22] <richlowe> charlieS: only disks that are part of a mirror.
[03:59:27] * charlieS hugs everyone .. zone migration *and* the ability to remove devices from zfs pools. It's like xmas!
[03:59:35] <charlieS> richlowe: yea, I just saw that in the manpage :)
[04:01:46] <charlieS> anyone know if zoneadm detach will be backported to 6/06 as a patch. It'd sure be nice to move existing zones..
[04:02:17] <charlieS> sorry, not really "opensolaris" related, but this is much faster than mailing lists :)
[04:04:03] <edp> this seems like a really stupid question, but can you do a recursive diff in solaris?
[04:04:27] <edp> i'm looking for something like 'diff -Nur' with GNU diff
[04:04:44] <charlieS> looks like it supports -r to me..
[04:06:13] <edp> ok.. then how would you patch with the output of that?
[04:06:26] <edp> just 'patch -p1 < patch.diff'?
[04:06:30] <richlowe> gpatch
[04:06:35] <richlowe> the patch(1) on Solaris sucks.
[04:06:46] <edp> ah.. that's what my problem is
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[04:12:00] <alanc> ooh, maybe I should mark http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=1226020 as oss-bite-size
[04:12:06] <jteo> re.
[04:12:27] <alanc> it's actually only the second oldest bug that comes up when I search bugster for bugs submitted by alanc
[04:12:30] <syphilis> alanc: i already implemented this
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[04:12:50] <richlowe> alanc: go hunt down the oldest still open.
[04:13:01] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=1216250 is the oldest still opened that I filed
[04:13:18] <alanc> filed for a customer back when I was answering tech support calls in SunService
[04:14:21] <alanc> heh - searching for all bugs I've filed, open & closed, exceeds the query interfaces limit of 500 bugs
[04:14:41] <jteo> alanc: that's a good thing?
[04:14:42] <alanc> 1428 matching records found for query: Submitted By = alan.coopersmith at sun dot com
[04:15:04] <djgregor> heh, wow
[04:15:09] <alanc> oh wait, forgot to check exclude SubCR, so that counts every bug X every release
[04:15:29] <alanc> cuts down to 1100 without SubCR's
[04:15:38] <alanc> which is still damned scary
[04:16:54] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=1216179 is the oldest I see, but it was closed as "will not fix"
[04:18:49] <alanc> heh, I've talked to both the responsible manager it was assigned to and the person who closed it this week, though neither are still in those jobs
[04:23:28] <alanc> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4227466 is the first one I filed when I came back to sun in desktop release engineering - the comments have the more amusing part: " This bug is currently very annoying to the X release engineers since the version of psroff installed in /usr/dist prints by default, causing many wasted pages of printouts everytime a full build is done."
[04:23:41] <alanc> software builds should not kill trees 8-)
[04:24:13] <jteo> it prints by *default*?
[04:25:20] <alanc> it did
[04:25:34] <alanc> that's why it was called "a bug"
[04:27:57] <jteo> disconnecting the printer was a workaround i presume.
[04:30:30] <alanc> if I remember correctly, after a few days of this, they had set the default printer queue on the build machine to a fake one instead of one of the network printers, but then they'd have to clean out the queue regularly
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[04:56:35] <onbot> commit by Lin guo:  PSARC 2006/605 USB: Clarification of isoc_pkts_length; 4631155 Support usb2.0 or high speed usb isochronous devices; 6463917 ohci isoc transfer don't support packet number great than 1; 6463920 uhci need to update according to PSARC 2006/605:Clarification of isoc_pkts_length
[04:59:18] <jbk> heh.. i get to support printing from some of our solaris boxes here soon... i'm not looking forward to that :)
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[05:16:21] <Error_404> 2 weeks from today, IRIX will be dead
[05:20:37] <delewis> can't say that's very surprising :-)
[05:21:06] <jteo> (makes note to read header files)
[05:23:39] <delewis> Error_404, where did you hear about this?
[05:23:50] <delewis> SGI plans to support IRIX until 2013
[05:24:23] <delewis> jbk, Solaris printing isn't that bad :-)
[05:24:42] <edp> whaq, or other interested parties, i've posted my shadow copy patch and some brief instructions: http://www.edplese.com/samba-with-zfs.html
[05:24:52] <Error_404> delewis: support, not sell
[05:25:23] <delewis> it's not like IRIX was easily attainable before, anyway :-)
[05:25:35] <delewis> you had to jump through hoops to get media directly from SGI
[05:25:43] <delewis> and a license was even more ridiculous.
[05:25:53] <delewis> hence, why the eBay market for IRIX flourished.
[05:26:14] <jbk> delewis: well, it's printing to networked HP laserjets w/ jetdirect cards, which last time i touched them (granted this was a while ago), they tended to be tempermental
[05:26:45] <delewis> hmm, I never had trouble with Jetdirect
[05:26:57] <edp> jbk, new jetdirects that are integrated into the printers work flawlessly
[05:27:00] <delewis> throw the MAC addresses in your bootp configuration and *poof*.. it just kind of works.
[05:27:13] <delewis> of course, I've only played with Jetdirect on the 4000-series.
[05:27:43] <jbk> and, basically if printing stops working for any reason, if it's not fixed before the last fedex pickup time, there's the potential for fines
[05:28:24] <jbk> and it's been almost 8 years since anyone in our group has ever supported any sort of printing :)
[05:28:33] <jbk> it's all normally done through windows print queues
[05:28:40] <delewis> it's really not that bad
[05:28:47] <delewis> printing on Unix systems is IMO easier than on Windows
[05:29:09] <jbk> well part of the reason they're doing this is they can't get windows to use the installed fonts on the printer
[05:29:42] <jbk> whereas on unix, the app just dumps pcl, and we just setup the queue to just send it untouched to the printer
[05:30:13] <jbk> my big thing is what happens when it breaks
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[05:30:25] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
[05:30:32] <edwardocallaghan> Need some help please
[05:30:47] <jbk> do we setup 1 queue and have all the other boxes send to that, or does each system have it's own queue that all connect to the printer
[05:30:54] <edp> i can say the HP printers we have are extremely reliable
[05:30:55] <jteo> delewis: printers and solaris have always been a mystery to me.
[05:31:12] <delewis> jbk, the way it works is that the system that manages the printer has a queue
[05:31:23] <delewis> and clients send print jobs to that system, where they appear on that system's queue.
[05:31:45] <jbk> well since the printer is networked, there really isn't a system that 'manages' the printer
[05:32:06] <jbk> any box that knows the IP address can send jobs to the printer
[05:32:14] <edp> generally you kinda just designate a computer to manage a queue for the printer though
[05:32:21] <edwardocallaghan> HP are nice because they are postscript
[05:32:28] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, no
[05:32:40] <delewis> HP tends to stick with PCL
[05:32:41] <jbk> the issue with that that i'm concerned with, is what happens if that system dies
[05:32:45] <delewis> and the user can opt for Postscript
[05:32:55] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[05:33:05] <jbk> i haven't found a lot on clustering print queues (and it'd probably present some interesting difficulties)
[05:33:06] <jteo> edp: your shadow_copy thing is cool. Post it to zfs-discuss.
[05:33:14] <edwardocallaghan> Oh yes true
[05:33:21] <delewis> jbk, if the system dies, you won't be able to submit jobs to the printer, basically.
[05:33:30] <delewis> without setting another system up as the print server.
[05:33:47] <jbk> since realistically, even with a plantinum contract, you're talking 4-6 hours to fix a hardware issue after you factor diagnosis, part transport, etc.
[05:33:52] <edp> or, if you're in a bind, just configure that local computer to print directly to theh printer
[05:33:53] <edwardocallaghan> shadow_copy ?
[05:34:07] <edp> edwardocallaghan, http://www.edplese.com/samba-with-zfs.html
[05:34:10] <delewis> which takes all of one lpadmin command
[05:34:15] <delewis> and another to make it the default :-)
[05:34:17] <edwardocallaghan> Can anyone help me with a null modem and a Ultra 10
[05:34:42] <delewis> jteo, Solaris printing is like printing anywhere else. It's basically just a managed way of piping a file containing printer commands to the printer device.
[05:34:43] <jbk> yes, however, there's a group of probably 60 sysadmins that will probably never touch this for years
[05:34:52] <jbk> because it's such an oddity in our environment
[05:34:59] <delewis> jbk, I learned about Solaris printing in 2 hours.
[05:35:12] <jbk> problem is, 2 hours might be too late
[05:35:23] <jbk> if we're talking regulatory fines
[05:35:32] <jbk> which is why it's such a headache
[05:35:40] <edwardocallaghan> Oh nice
[05:35:53] <jbk> which is why i'm not looking forward to it :)
[05:36:52] <edwardocallaghan> Yes can any one help me please with this Ultra 10
[05:36:55] <jbk> because it will always happen when I'm not around, and it'll fall to the oncall who has probably never touched it, because there will be exactly 2 boxes out of over 1,000 that do any sort of printing :)
[05:37:02] <delewis> rather, printing on Unix is just a way ofmultiplexing IO on a character device. :-)
[05:37:13] <edwardocallaghan> I checked the jumper to make sure it was RS-232 (I had to change it)
[05:37:33] <delewis> jbk, so have all 60 guys go through the printer documentation.
[05:37:34] <edwardocallaghan> But I still can't get it to talk over the null modem
[05:37:37] <jteo> delewis: that only works well with PostScript printers. :)
[05:37:37] <delewis> it's fairly well documented.
[05:37:46] <delewis> jteo, that's how all printers work.
[05:37:57] <delewis> you may just have some other steps in the process
[05:38:06] <edwardocallaghan> Can anyone guide me though minicom or cu please?!
[05:38:07] <delewis> such as filtering the PCL to Postscript or Postscript to PCL, and so fourth.
[05:38:18] <jteo> delewis: even the el-cheapo ones?
[05:38:21] <delewis> (this can be done via a nasty Ghostscript filter, which Solaris ships)
[05:38:40] <jbk> problem is, if it's not being dealt with on a day-day basis, any knowledge learned will be forgotten
[05:38:51] <jteo> jbk: setup a wiki.
[05:38:52] <delewis> jteo, even el-cheapo ones, though the printer command language isn't always publicly known.
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[05:39:30] <jteo> delewis: ah. i'll go read.
[05:39:46] <jbk> again, you're assuming every failure mode can be predicted.. we're already planing to document lpadmin, lpstat, accept, enable, reject
[05:40:02] <delewis> jteo, printing on Unix equates to 'cat foo.ps > /dev/printers/1'
[05:40:14] <delewis> assuming the printer attached to /dev/printers/1 is Postscript.
[05:41:17] <edwardocallaghan> Please help guys
[05:41:25] <delewis> jbk, don't forget lpq
[05:41:48] <delewis> cancel is also helpful
[05:41:51] <jteo> delewis: what if the printer isn't? Ghostscript to the rescue?
[05:42:00] <delewis> jteo, yeah.
[05:42:09] <delewis> Ghostscript has filters to convert from Postscript to PCL, and so fourth.
[05:42:30] <edwardocallaghan> lpd :D I am learning about that my self
[05:42:39] <delewis> so you can expand the whole Unix printing process to cat foo.ps | <nasty ghostscript filter> > /dev/printers/1
[05:42:42] <jteo> delewis: that's if the printer supports PCL.
[05:42:45] <delewis> and that's basically it.
[05:43:01] <delewis> jteo, still, it works that way, assuming the printer command language is properly documented.
[05:43:37] <jteo> delewis: mmm.
[05:43:47] <delewis> remember, printers were the primary terminal device when Unix was written, so it seems appropriate that Unix work with printers very well. :-)
[05:45:56] <Error_404> and linux is just a driver for a printer that took a horrible turn for the worse
[05:46:09] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[05:46:22] <edwardocallaghan> Guys Hello? please help
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[05:47:09] <edwardocallaghan> Can you hear me on here now?
[05:47:18] <whaq> hi
[05:47:21] <edwardocallaghan> :/
[05:47:26] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, we heard you before.
[05:47:31] <edwardocallaghan> Oh
[05:47:54] <edwardocallaghan> I really would like to get this Ultra 10 to work over a null
[05:47:55] <delewis> and spamming the channel with your question, isn't going to give us more of an inclination to answer it.
[05:48:11] <edwardocallaghan> I am not trying to spam ?
[05:48:14] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, what's on the other side of the null modem cable?
[05:48:32] <edwardocallaghan> Ultra 10 <> Linux PC
[05:48:47] <delewis> and you're trying to access the Ultra 10 from the Linux pee-cee, right?
[05:48:49] <whaq> edp, great tips on that page u made
[05:49:00] <edwardocallaghan> Yes indeed
[05:49:01] <edp> thanks
[05:49:09] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, that has nothing to do with Solaris or OpenSolaris.
[05:49:15] <delewis> that's a question for #linux.
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[05:49:35] <edwardocallaghan> Hmm yes that's kind of right
[05:49:42] <delewis> assuming the Ultra 10 properly configured (and 99% of the time the systems are), all the configuration lies on your Linux pee-cee's side.
[05:49:49] <edwardocallaghan> However you guys know your stuff
[05:50:00] <edwardocallaghan> And I am not fund of Linux hippys
[05:50:11] <Error_404> take whatever linux box you're using
[05:50:12] <Error_404> nuke linux
[05:50:14] <Error_404> install solaris
[05:50:16] <Error_404> and use tip
[05:50:24] <whaq> dude, you're crossing the 'annoying' to 'offending' line now ;)
[05:50:27] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[05:51:04] <edwardocallaghan> I can't install Solaris on this computer because it has a shaky BIOS or something and is missing some drivers
[05:51:19] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to try agine on the next build
[05:51:47] <edwardocallaghan> And when people at scan.co.uk stop sending me dead brand new hard disk :( !
[05:51:54] <ShadowHntr> lol
[05:51:59] <ShadowHntr> been there, done that. got the t-shirt.
[05:52:15] <edwardocallaghan> Was it blue like windows screen?
[05:52:22] <ShadowHntr> lol
[05:52:29] <edwardocallaghan> :D
[05:52:34] <ShadowHntr> last time i checked, the Ultra 10 uses SCSI disks.
[05:52:39] <ShadowHntr> and the Ultra 10 is a SPARC system... :P
[05:52:44] <delewis> ShadowHntr, you checked wrong.
[05:52:48] <edwardocallaghan> No I like this IRC chan and I like you guys
[05:52:51] <jbk> ultra 10 uses ide
[05:53:05] <ShadowHntr> jbk: i thought it was just the U5 that had IDE in that generation. *shrug*
[05:53:10] <ShadowHntr> ahhhh.
[05:53:11] <delewis> ShadowHntr, no
[05:53:20] <delewis> Ultra 5, Ultra 10, SB100, and SB150 all have IDE>
[05:53:24] <edwardocallaghan> No I know, for the PC so I have room for Solaris and ZFS
[05:53:26] <jbk> i have an ultra 10 upstairs :)
[05:53:27] <ShadowHntr> U10 = U5 in tower form factor?
[05:53:28] <delewis> s/>/\./
[05:53:39] <jbk> however i tend to keep it off as it tends to heat the room up too much
[05:53:40] <delewis> ShadowHntr, sort of. I believe the motherboard is somewhat different.
[05:53:48] <jbk> (doesn't help the window faces west)
[05:53:53] <delewis> I don't remember seeing Ultra 10 OEM motherboards advertised as Ultra 5 motherboards, as well.
[05:53:57] <ShadowHntr> delewis: haven't studied much - haven't had to since i just have an Ultra 5...
[05:54:12] <jteo> the U10 uses a very lousy IDE controller.
[05:54:19] <delewis> Ultra 10 putting out vast amounts of heat? *chokes*
[05:54:23] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I know
[05:54:26] <delewis> you should be in proximity of my E4500 when I have it on.
[05:54:47] <edwardocallaghan> Not much heat though
[05:54:52] <ShadowHntr> will colo providers allow your system to be a desktop form factor? not rackmount capable?
[05:54:58] <edwardocallaghan> But I have not had it on for a long time yet
[05:55:09] <delewis> ShadowHntr, they'll typically charge you more if they allow it.
[05:55:14] <ShadowHntr> hmmmm.
[05:55:15] <edwardocallaghan> not as much as a Xeon :D hehe
[05:55:18] <ShadowHntr> lol
[05:55:27] <ShadowHntr> i'm thinking about an Ultra 5 max specs for colo
[05:55:50] <jbk> delewis: i know it's not bad compared to other stuff, but in a house..
[05:56:07] <edwardocallaghan> I love SPARC's
[05:56:12] <ShadowHntr> as do i :D
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[05:56:18] <edwardocallaghan> Good
[05:56:33] <edwardocallaghan> Looking to see a rock soon when they come out
[05:56:36] <ShadowHntr> yeah
[05:56:44] <ShadowHntr> Niagara interests me as well
[05:56:45] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, you won't be seeing it.
[05:56:54] <delewis> Rock was canned.
[05:56:58] <ShadowHntr> wtf?
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[05:57:02] <edwardocallaghan> I hope they start making T1 desktops
[05:57:02] <jbk> i have stood next to some of our 25ks whie they were running vts :)
[05:57:12] <delewis> Rock has been canned for a good 6 months to a year now.
[05:57:28] <edwardocallaghan> Really ?! No...
[05:57:35] <ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T1#.22Rock.22
[05:57:47] <ShadowHntr> delewis: might wanna have someone update Wikipedia regarding Rock
[05:58:03] <delewis> I may be getting the codenames mixed up
[05:58:06] <ShadowHntr> how about Niagara II
[05:58:10] <ShadowHntr> UltraSPARC T2
[05:58:13] <delewis> I thought Rock was the codename for UltraSPARC V
[05:58:18] <ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UltraSPARC_T2
[05:58:21] <jteo> delewis: nope.
[05:58:23] <ShadowHntr> delewis: nope.
[05:58:39] <ShadowHntr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_processor
[05:59:26] <delewis> ah
[05:59:45] <ShadowHntr> damn
[05:59:50] <ShadowHntr> i hope my system hasn't hanged during smpatch
[05:59:58] <delewis> don't use smpatch
[06:00:01] <delewis> pca is much better.
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[06:00:15] <delewis> and accomplishes the same as smpatch in a small Perl script.
[06:00:20] <ShadowHntr> LOL
[06:00:21] <delewis> rather than gobs of Java.
[06:00:25] <ShadowHntr> thanks for telling me about it *afterwards*
[06:00:26] <ShadowHntr> :P
[06:00:51] <ShadowHntr> and where can i get this?
[06:00:52] <ShadowHntr> :p
[06:01:20] <edwardocallaghan> I don't see anything telling me that I am not going to see Rock
[06:01:42] <delewis> google for "patch check advanced"
[06:01:44] <edwardocallaghan> Santa said he was going to put one under the tree !
[06:01:45] <delewis> should be the first result.
[06:01:59] * delewis hates that the OS X Tarantella client cannot do copy-and-paste correctly
[06:02:01] <jbk> edwardocallaghan: just poke around the register
[06:02:16] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, Rock lives on
[06:02:20] <delewis> UltraSPARC V is what got canned.
[06:02:35] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I know that
[06:02:44] <edwardocallaghan> I though that was fishy
[06:03:20] <edwardocallaghan> Can anyone help me with see you I am really stuck
[06:03:29] <edwardocallaghan> I don't get what I am doing wrong?
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[06:04:00] <delewis> just configure minicom or whatever you're using to use 9600 as the baud speed.
[06:04:05] <delewis> and it should "just work"
[06:04:11] <delewis> assuming you're using the proper serial device
[06:04:22] <delewis> which on Linux is probably /dev/ttyS0 (0-th serial port)
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[06:06:24] <ShadowHntr> yeah it'll be ttyS0
[06:06:34] <edwardocallaghan> Yes did all that
[06:06:42] <edwardocallaghan> Hold on I found this http://www.idevelopment.info/data/Unix/Solaris/SOLARIS_UsingSerialConsoles.shtml
[06:06:45] <ShadowHntr> just leave it connected when you power on the system
[06:06:46] <ShadowHntr> :)
[06:07:09] <edwardocallaghan> "Now go to "Modem and dialing". Change the "Init string" to "~^M~". Save the settings (as dflt),      and then restart Minicom"
[06:07:12] <edwardocallaghan> I know...
[06:07:18] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to try that
[06:12:11] <edwardocallaghan> Oh what's going on?
[06:14:21] <edwardocallaghan> ShadowHntr: I did cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 9600 and still nothing...?
[06:14:33] <ShadowHntr> um
[06:14:36] <edwardocallaghan> It says its "Connected"
[06:14:41] <ShadowHntr> is the system on?
[06:14:45] <ShadowHntr> the U10
[06:14:46] <edwardocallaghan> But no login or why thing
[06:14:49] <edwardocallaghan> Yes sure
[06:14:52] <ShadowHntr> transmit a break
[06:15:01] <ShadowHntr> not sure how to do that with cu
[06:15:16] <ShadowHntr> hit enter a few times.
[06:15:33] <edwardocallaghan> Nothing
[06:15:44] <ShadowHntr> make sure there is no monitor or keyboard connected to the sun
[06:15:47] <edwardocallaghan> I even try to restart the computer and nothing
[06:16:01] <edwardocallaghan> Yes none are connected
[06:16:08] <ShadowHntr> um...
[06:16:14] <ShadowHntr> power down and power on the sun
[06:16:17] <ShadowHntr> keep cu up
[06:16:23] <ShadowHntr> it should pump out diagnostics
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[06:18:05] <ShadowHntr> sup delewis
[06:18:12] <ShadowHntr> delewis: what part of memphis you from
[06:18:13] <delewis> greetings.
[06:18:19] <ShadowHntr> my roommate went to Memphis Catholic HS
[06:18:22] <ShadowHntr> grew up in midtown
[06:18:23] <delewis> ShadowHntr, I'm about an hour of Memphis in a city called Jackson, TN.
[06:18:30] <ShadowHntr> delewis: i know *exactly* where that is. :)
[06:18:35] <delewis> hour east of Memphis, rather.
[06:18:36] <ShadowHntr> i live in Rutherford County now
[06:18:39] <ShadowHntr> Murfreesboro.
[06:18:44] <ShadowHntr> SE of Nashville
[06:18:57] <delewis> cool
[06:19:23] <ShadowHntr> good it'll reboot just ONCE
[06:19:24] <edwardocallaghan> Powered down and powered back up and still nothing
[06:19:29] <ShadowHntr> hmmm...
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[06:20:00] <ShadowHntr> edwardocallaghan: go to docs.sun.com and download a manual for your Ultra 10.
[06:20:23] <edwardocallaghan> If I connect the monitor to it I see OpenBoot tell me its going to send stuff to the serial port
[06:20:26] <edwardocallaghan> I did that
[06:20:46] <edwardocallaghan> I even changed the two jumpers to RS232
[06:20:53] <edwardocallaghan> JP3 and 4
[06:21:46] <edwardocallaghan> When the system starts up I hear the disk spin up and work on something at boot time
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[06:25:09] <edwardocallaghan> I'll get another system
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[06:56:31] <Error_404> okie, time for me to offline my network for 2 weeks
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[07:00:49] <edwardocallaghan> If you have a null modem between two computers and you do
[07:01:02] <edwardocallaghan> cat <> /dev/ttyS0 on both
[07:01:19] <edwardocallaghan> You should be able to talk to each other on each one right?
[07:03:34] <bklang> edwardocallaghan: nope
[07:04:17] <edwardocallaghan> Well I got it to do it one way
[07:04:32] <edwardocallaghan> cat >/dev/ttyS0 on one
[07:04:47] <edwardocallaghan> and cat < /dev/ttyS0 on the other
[07:05:14] <bklang> were the ports already open in another app?  Usually the port has to be initialized to allow for things like speed, stop bits, parity, etc
[07:05:38] <delewis> yeah, writing to a serial port is a bit more complicated.
[07:05:39] <edwardocallaghan> The one lissening cat < /dev/ttyS0
[07:05:51] <edwardocallaghan> Well it worked
[07:06:10] <edwardocallaghan> I said hello to the other computer
[07:06:21] <edwardocallaghan> And it came up as stdout
[07:06:23] <bklang> which one did the saying?
[07:06:39] <edwardocallaghan> cat > /dev/ttyS0
[07:06:43] <bklang> which host was that
[07:06:44] <edwardocallaghan> stdin
[07:06:55] <edwardocallaghan> two linux PC's
[07:07:29] <edwardocallaghan> I got the computer that's doing the lissening and left it
[07:07:43] <edwardocallaghan> Then I pluged in the Ultra 10 and started it out
[07:07:47] <edwardocallaghan> and nothing
[07:08:00] <edwardocallaghan> It's giving nothing out of the serial port
[07:08:25] <edwardocallaghan> Do you think the port is fired ?
[07:10:57] <edwardocallaghan> Is there some option in open boot to turn it off and if so how do I get it back on?
[07:11:12] <edwardocallaghan> Is there a jumper on the MB to clear back to defaults ?
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[07:27:35] <onbot> commit by qz150045:  6493870 eeprom var 'kbd-type' is obsolete in FWARC 2006/224
[07:29:39] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, if you have a keyboard laying around, you can attach it and hold on Stop-n
[07:29:50] <delewis> that's equivalent to 'set-defaults'
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[07:36:19] <edwardocallaghan> I don't have a kb that's why I am using a tty
[07:37:37] <delewis> you aren't using a tty, silly.
[07:37:48] <delewis> not unless you have a stack of paper sitting under you.
[07:41:30] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[07:41:57] <edwardocallaghan> I don't think I am old enothe to understand that
[07:42:13] <delewis> http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/1974-3.htm
[07:42:14] <dwc-> apparently not
[07:42:25] <delewis> original terminals used paper.
[07:42:46] <edwardocallaghan> Yes that's why I am using
[07:42:50] <delewis> and hence why a shell with history capability wasn't a priority.
[07:42:52] <edwardocallaghan> *what
[07:43:07] <delewis> you could just pull your paper back and look at what command you typed.
[07:44:33] <edwardocallaghan> reviewing now...
[07:45:14] <edwardocallaghan> / | \ -- / | -- \
[07:45:43] <edwardocallaghan> Remember then they use to spin around ... :p
[07:45:58] <edwardocallaghan> cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 9600 I did this
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[07:54:23] <edwardocallaghan> Good night
[07:54:33] <edwardocallaghan> All the best
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[08:10:15] <lloy0076> Are the servers that run the downloads for the ON consolidation going unseasonably slow?
[08:10:31] <lloy0076> I'm getting 10K/sec which isn't what I'd normally expect.
[08:14:49] <gustav3d> loll. its internet. there are no guaranties for bandwidth
[08:16:54] <lloy0076> gustav3d: Yes, I realise that; I'm trying to see if someone is aware of a problem or not.
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[11:00:39] <darrenm> something very strange going on with @opensolaris.org email
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[11:23:31] <Doc> servicedesk...
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[11:54:31] <Posixzombie> if  submiting a BUG in solaris, where do I see the BUG ID ?
[11:55:49] <Posixzombie> as I remebers, submting the form DOES NOT in https://www.opensolaris.org/bug does not say what the BUG ID is
[11:56:04] <delewis> Posixzombie, you'll receive an email if it gets escalated as a bug
[11:56:17] <delewis> it'll appear in the OpenSolaris bug database a day or so later
[11:56:58] <Posixzombie> delewis, thnks. So I understand this is done not automatically but after somebody reads it?
[11:58:31] <jteo> unfortunately so.
[12:03:06] <Posixzombie> last question : did I understand correctly that UPDATE 3 is out ? where can I download it ? is it under http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp?
[12:05:09] <delewis> Posixzombie, yes
[12:05:24] <Posixzombie> delewis, thnks
[12:16:36] <onbot> commit by Trevor Thompson:  6351793 sfmmu_mlist_enter recursive mutex_enter.; 6467201 Duplicate hrmstat structures cause long hat_statlock hold times.
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[12:18:22] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[12:22:23] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone around?
[12:22:30] <darrenm> nope nobody is here
[12:22:36] <edwardocallaghan> hehe
[12:22:51] <darrenm> got a question or just wondering if you were alone ?
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[12:23:22] <edwardocallaghan> Right I am still trying to get this null modem to work with my, now, two new Ultra 10's
[12:23:52] <darrenm> null modem as in RS232 serial ?
[12:23:59] <darrenm> for the console I assume ?
[12:24:19] <edwardocallaghan> I must be doing something wrong because I still don't get any o/p from see cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 9600
[12:24:28] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and Yes :)
[12:25:17] <darrenm> ttyS0 ?
[12:25:18] <edwardocallaghan> Just says connected
[12:25:27] <darrenm> thats not a normal device name on Solaris IIRC
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[12:25:36] <darrenm> Have you tried /dev/term/a and /dev/term/b ?
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[12:25:52] <edwardocallaghan> Oh its connecting to this Linux system as I can't install Solaris on it :( stupid driver etc...
[12:25:53] <darrenm> thats what COM1/COM2 usually are on Solaris
[12:26:10] <darrenm> You can't install Solaris on an Ultra 10 ?
[12:26:11] <darrenm> huh ?
[12:26:23] <edwardocallaghan> No THIS system
[12:26:46] <edwardocallaghan> The one I am connectioning the Ultra 10 to
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[12:33:06] <darrenm> okay so you have a Linux system with a cable plugged into /dev/ttyS0 the other end of the cable is plugged into the U10
[12:33:15] <darrenm> is the U10 running Solaris or at the OBP prompt ?
[12:38:01] <edwardocallaghan> Yes it has both I think
[12:38:30] <edwardocallaghan> I can't verifiy what Solaris looks like on it but I hear the disk working
[12:39:44] <edwardocallaghan> It does not seem to work at all !
[12:42:22] <darrenm> (11:38:01) edwardocallaghan: Yes it has both I think
[12:42:27] <darrenm> that doesn't make sense
[12:42:45] <darrenm> it is either at the OBP or it is running Solaris
[12:42:50] <darrenm> but it seems you don't know which
[12:43:09] <darrenm> do you have a Sun keyboard you can plugin and a VGA monitor ?
[12:43:14] <edwardocallaghan> OBP should give debug o/p anyway
[12:43:27] <edwardocallaghan> no that's why I am doing this
[12:43:39] <IvanR_> edwardocallaghan: Which port on the U10 is the cable & null modem plugged in to?
[12:44:09] <edwardocallaghan> lthough if I plug in a VGA you see it tell you that's its going to send to ttya
[12:44:24] <edwardocallaghan> small DB9
[12:45:17] <edwardocallaghan> RS232 right?
[12:45:21] <IvanR_> ttya is the 25pin connector next to the VGA one.  The 9pin in ttyb
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[12:45:33] <edwardocallaghan> Really ?
[12:45:40] <edwardocallaghan> Oh that would expain
[12:45:43] <darrenm> yep
[12:45:48] <darrenm> just checked the system handbook
[12:45:49] <edwardocallaghan> Is there a jumper on the MB?
[12:45:56] <darrenm> not that I'm aware of
[12:45:58] <edwardocallaghan> shit !
[12:46:53] <edwardocallaghan> So the one above the VGA or the one next to the VGA?
[12:47:48] <IvanR_> On the same metal plate as the VGA and ethernet.
[12:47:53] <darrenm> the one above the VGA is the serial port
[12:48:06] <darrenm> the other connected below the DB9 is the parallel port
[12:48:10] <IvanR_> The other plate has the 9pin ttyb and 25pin parallel (labeled // )
[12:48:57] <darrenm> there are jumpers on the motherboard for the serial port config but I don't think that they let you switch which is A and which is B
[12:50:07] <edwardocallaghan> OK big thank you
[12:50:19] <edwardocallaghan> Will try to make a cable
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[13:06:02] <edwardocallaghan> WORKS !
[13:06:05] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks guys
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[13:13:06] <onbot> commit by George Shepherd:  6401916 Retransmission on closing connections is not handled properly.
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[13:20:44] <edwardocallaghan> What type of terminal are you using?
[13:20:45] <edwardocallaghan>  1) ANSI Standard CRT
[13:20:45] <edwardocallaghan>  2) DEC VT100
[13:20:45] <edwardocallaghan>  3) PC Console
[13:20:45] <edwardocallaghan>  4) Sun Command Tool
[13:20:45] <edwardocallaghan>  5) Sun Workstation
[13:20:47] <edwardocallaghan>  6) X Terminal Emulator (xterms)
[13:20:49] <edwardocallaghan>  7) CDE Terminal Emulator (dtterm)
[13:20:52] <edwardocallaghan>  8) Other
[13:20:53] <edwardocallaghan> What am I using?
[13:21:31] <edwardocallaghan> What does it mean by this, the terminal that its going to be or the terminal I am connecting from?
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[13:23:22] <edwardocallaghan> I worked it out don't worry
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[13:42:47] <edwardocallaghan> guys have a good day
[13:43:04] <edwardocallaghan> See you, and thank you very much for the help!
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[14:30:55] <lloy0076> What's the "quote" easiest "unquote" way to upgrade the bits that the BFUs don't upgrade?
[14:31:24] <lloy0076> (I have an OpenSolaris ON 48 based system and want to attempt to bring it to 53)
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[14:40:39] <lloy0076> laca: Thanks for your help re: my upgrade stuff.
[14:40:56] <laca> hi lloy0076, no problem
[14:41:32] <lloy0076> I'm about to go "invisible" so to speak to experiment with upgrading on a system that I don't care if I stuff up.
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[15:00:05] <jteo> lloy0076: upgrade from dvd/cd
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[15:09:24] <jteo> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185
[15:09:33] <jteo> i'm...mildly entertained.
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[15:19:13] <Doc> "The two posts prior to yours just said that it is indeed a bug and that jeff johnson is a moron.
[15:19:14] <Doc> I will reiterate:
[15:19:14] <Doc> This is defineatley a bug, and jeff johnson is definatly a moron. "
[15:22:32] <sickness> lol
[15:22:43] <sickness> so fun, and a little sad, to read :P
[15:23:34] <Doc> the next time someone tells me they want to run linux i think i'll just send them that
[15:24:06] <Doc> i'm not going to claim that Sun engineers dont.. umm.. "discuss" bugs on occasion, but that is just warped
[15:24:10] <sickness> Jeff, if rpm is designed to corrupt it's own database as punishment
[15:24:11] <sickness> for use under improper configuration conditions, what is the solution
[15:24:11] <sickness> to fixing that rpm datab
[15:24:11] <sickness> se once this state has been reac
[15:24:12] <sickness> hed?
[15:24:16] <sickness> ghghgh :P
[15:24:29] <Doc> the AOl comment is good
[15:24:45] <Doc> "Also if a user visits AOL.COM we should corrupt their filesystem."
[15:25:49] <sickness> SO true ghghghgh :)
[15:26:00] <Doc> i think he just mis-understood the problem, then couldnt bring himself to admit that he was wrong
[15:26:38] <lloy0076> lol
[15:27:04] <lloy0076> "Under no circumtances RPM database should not became corrupted."
[15:27:29] <lloy0076> That actually means: [The] RPM database should ALWAYS become corrupted.
[15:31:56] <lloy0076> Gawd...FC2 seems to be a pile of crock.
[15:32:11] <lloy0076> "Of the packages installed on this FC2 system, only 9% can be installed anywhere other than /usr."
[15:32:27] <lloy0076> What if /usr is...read only?
[15:35:22] <andersmo> FC2 is pretty old as well. I'm running FC6 at home now. =)
[15:37:13] <andersmo> And anyway, it's a desktop system distro, /usr being read-only is a non-issue for most users.
[15:38:57] <Doc> that's not the point
[15:39:07] <Doc> the point is that something failed, and as a result it corrupted the database
[15:39:20] <Doc> it may well do the same thing if the disk is full, or file permissions are wrong, etc
[15:39:25] <Doc> anyway... bedtime
[15:40:57] <lloy0076> I stopped using RedHat on the desktop when it went to Fedora.
[15:41:00] <lloy0076> I didn't trust it.
[15:41:18] <lloy0076> At about the same time, I'd been employed to hack about with Debian and Progeny.
[15:41:25] <lloy0076> So, I became a "Debian User".
[15:41:39] <lloy0076> I still am at heart. I expect to be able to just install stuff.
[15:43:00] <lloy0076> I've had to hand compile too many things in my SXCR based Open Solaris system to make me feel comfortable using it as a production server system.
[15:43:31] <andersmo> We build packages of the stuff we deploy to our production solaris machines.
[15:43:44] <lloy0076> I've found the linking stuff between the GNU and Solaris linkers harrowing. I
[15:43:53] <lloy0076> I actually don't know *why* it's working at the moment.
[15:43:56] <lloy0076> I don't think it should be.
[15:44:33] <lloy0076> But I've done *something* to stop the Solaris linked stuff from getting incompatible linkages with the GNU linked stuff...
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[15:44:56] <andersmo> c++ linking?
[15:45:11] <lloy0076> andersmo: That seems to be the biggest culprit.
[15:45:27] <andersmo> actually it's not the linker who's at fault, but the different binary interfaces used by sun studio vs. gcc.
[15:45:46] <andersmo> But gcc is binary incompatible with it's own abi between versions, so...
[15:45:53] <lloy0076> andersmo: But as I said, I don't actually understand the problem but know that if I mix Sun Studio compiled stuff with GCC stuff sometimes it breaks.
[15:46:06] <andersmo> (at least it has been, dunno if it has stabilised.)
[15:46:37] <lloy0076> Why would a compiler/linker toolset change its ABI to break between releases?
[15:46:54] <andersmo> Stuff usually builds with Sun Studio as well, with the appropriate prodding, so you can avoid GCC. =)
[15:46:58] <asyd> because the development is anarchis t?
[15:47:17] <lloy0076> Ever since I finally managed to get Open Solaris installed, I'm starting to see the cracks in the open source model(s).
[15:47:24] <andersmo> Dunno, ask the GCC folks? Because they realize that they fucked up the previous try and have to break stuff to get it right? =)
[15:48:05] <lloy0076> andersmo: Or did they deliberately screw it up so that if they couldn't get the GPL to get you, their crappy linker would?
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[15:48:54] <andersmo> lloy0076: naah, don't think so. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor =)
[15:49:45] <andersmo> At least they fix their mistakes instead of dragging on with them forever. But that comes at a cost. =)
[15:49:49] <lloy0076> andersmo: The FSF and a statistically significant number of GNU supporters aren't stupid...
[15:50:35] <andersmo> But smart people still make mistakes.
[15:50:50] <lloy0076> andersmo: And I tend to treat the FSF in a similar vein as the Church of Scientology : They have admirable aims but they are a religion. And religions TO ME are based on believing in pretend things and promoting them regardless of the truth.
[15:50:52] <andersmo> And how, exactly, would they benefit from breaking their own ABI? =)
[15:51:17] <lloy0076> andersmo: They want the world to be free. So lock them into a "FREE" ABI.
[15:51:24] <lloy0076> andersmo: The source code is "out there".
[15:51:43] <lloy0076> andersmo: And it's not compatible with Sun's "not free" ABI or Microsoft's...
[15:52:36] <andersmo> c++ ABIs are "implementation details", not part of the standard. So the other compiler makers make up their own as well, afaik?
[15:53:22] <lloy0076> andersmo: errk
[15:53:37] <lloy0076> andersmo: That basically makes C++ a sitting duck.
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[16:00:30] <jteo> that single "implementation detail" is a real PITA.
[16:03:50] <LeftWing> It's a major reason to avoid C++. =P
[16:03:57] <Auralis> c++ is pure shit when it comes to cross compiler compatibility
[16:07:03] <jteo> i don't think cross compiler compatibility exists.
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[16:09:25] <doniphon> hi all. slightly off-topic - anyone has hands on experience with a 6140 array ?
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[16:11:40] <Auralis> jteo: well with pure C i managed to build the ogle dvd player in parts with cc and other parts with gcc and it worked
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[16:14:38] <jteo> Auralis: i meant C++ cross compiler compatibility. ;)
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[16:21:51] <Auralis> :)
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[16:50:40] <nachox> hmm, i can use zfs send to save a zfs filesystem to a file right? i am thinking about using that to backup things and store them in dvds
[16:52:56] <edp> yes
[16:53:01] <jteo> yup
[16:53:17] <edp> you can pipe the output from zfs send to wherever you'd like
[16:54:02] <richlowe> though lp maybe a bad idea :)
[16:54:22] <jteo> just because you can, doesn't mean you *should*
[16:54:26] <edp> we have fast printers though
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[16:57:01] <nachox> but zfs send was introduced un solaris 10 u3 right?
[16:58:03] <edp> i think it was in u1 with the initial ZFS release
[16:58:16] <richlowe> it may have still been backup/restore at that point.
[16:58:19] * richlowe isn't sure
[16:58:43] <edp> i think it was backup/restore in opensolaris and switched to send/recv by solaris U1
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[17:01:56] <nachox> zfs was introduced in u2 so no :)
[17:02:18] <elektronkind> heh, this is so funny.
[17:02:19] <elektronkind> http://pastebin.ca/280032
[17:02:31] <elektronkind> I only wish I had that much disk space
[17:02:40] <elektronkind>  /local in that case is UFS
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[17:19:16] <whaq> elektronkind, what could cause such reading?
[17:19:57] <dj2> whaq, ufs seems to do it if you do a df while doing a delete of a really big file
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[17:22:00] <AbeFroman> i thought that was patched
[17:23:28] <whaq> dj2, so the actual drive size is 56GB in that instance?
[17:23:57] <dj2> whaq, yes. and if you do a df after the file is deleted the rest would show correctly as well
[17:24:16] <whaq> dj2, ah ok.
[17:24:52] <whaq> Btw, do you know the plan for zfs root? It's been technically available (somewhat_ since early this year, but not much afterward..
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[17:25:11] <dj2> no idea, sorry.
[17:25:28] <edp> whaq, on zfs-discuss i think they were targetting it for u5
[17:25:44] <whaq> ok.. the snapshots would be awesome for  maintenance (and all the other goodies too)
[17:25:55] <whaq> u5 is end of 07?
[17:26:09] <edp> not sure
[17:26:19] <edp> i'm more of an SXCR guy
[17:26:39] <edp> to me u5 means many months away
[17:27:29] <whaq> if u5 is released in Q4 '07, then it should get in SXCR in Q3..?
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[17:29:56] <whaq> edp, have you tried the current 'implementation' of zfs root yet?
[17:30:01] <edp> nah
[17:30:20] <edp> from what i've read it sounds like it is going to tie in with other features though like live upgrade
[17:32:27] <whaq> ok
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[17:34:43] <edp> here's the latest discussion on zfs-discuss about zfs root..
[17:34:45] <edp> http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg04298.html
[17:35:00] <edp> mentions some of the restrictions that are needed for the root pool
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[17:37:10] <cub> Just bought a Sun 280-R with 2 hard drives on it. Upon boot-up, it drops me to the OK prompt.  The hdds are brand new so it's okay, but when I do a "boot cdrom" , it says "Boot device : /pci@8,700000/scsi@6/disk@6,0:f"   It then just basically hangs there for hours....doing nothing.  Any idea ?
[17:37:35] <cub> there is a Solaris 10 sparc dvd in there
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[17:39:27] <whaq> edp, cool thx
[17:41:38] <whaq> i read that for zfs root\boot they need grub to know zfs too..
[17:45:37] <onbot> commit by zx143588:  6499670 prtdiag does not display the XAUI devices when configured in the system
[17:46:07] <stevel> richlowe: i think i've got a workaround for the anon automount causing onnv-gate pushes to fail
[17:46:27] <stevel> (can't believe i didn't do it before: just wrapped the 'hg push' with a check for $? returning non-zero, and keep retrying the push)
[17:46:33] <richlowe> Hrm.
[17:47:15] <syphilis> yay hax
[17:50:56] <edp> whaq, makes sense.. grub has support in it for the other filesystems that it supports
[17:52:05] <richlowe> stevel: how's that work out if stuff backs up on the bridge locking?
[17:52:17] <stevel> bridge locking?
[17:52:41] <richlowe> You stopped the bridge running in parallel with itself, do you drop whatever lock you're using for that before the push?
[17:53:03] <richlowe> or if bad things happened, would the whole thing sit there spinning (or even worse, drop a subsequent putback)
[17:53:25] <AbeFroman> i would think getting grub to understand zfs wouldn't be as hard as getting the eeproms on all the old sparcs to understand it
[17:53:48] <jteo> which is why the solution involves grub on sparc as well.
[17:53:53] <jteo> AFAIK
[17:53:56] <AbeFroman> ah-ha
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[17:58:50] <stevel> richlowe: the bridge should never run in parallel with itself
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[18:07:08] <onbot> commit by cf46844:  6494797 /usr/xpg6/bin/stty should be a symlink not a hard link
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[18:23:32] <stevel> lol
[18:23:45] <stevel> someone just filed: CR 6505141 Support ksh93 on Solaris 9 and 10
[18:24:52] <alanc> I saw that - gisburn will be so happy
[18:26:11] <alanc> perhaps the bugs.opensolaris.org page should note that if you're submitting a bug for a release other than Nevada, you need to call tech support or it won't be backported
[18:27:09] <alanc> though even if you called tech support, odds of getting a new feature like ksh93 backported to Solaris 9 are rather thin indeed
[18:27:34] * stevel thinks we should modify the b.o.o. page to include a header that says "Perhaps you want to see the ksh93-integration project before filing your bug" ;-)
[18:28:00] <stevel> or a more to the point: "yes, /bin/ksh is ksh88 and we're aware you think it sucks. we're working on it."
[18:28:05] <richlowe> That does seem like it would be in effect a duplicate of the other ksh93 RFE(s)
[18:28:22] <alanc> heh - already closed as duplicate of 6437624
[18:28:36] <richlowe> whoa, I was right? :)
[18:30:23] <jteo> i never actually understood why we want ksh.
[18:30:30] <jteo> but that's cos it probably predates me.
[18:30:37] <stevel> jteo: it slices, it dices, it makes julienne fries
[18:31:19] <stevel> buy now, and gisburn will throw in a free RSS reader written in ksh93
[18:32:14] <jteo> we already have emacs.
[18:32:40] <richlowe> don't forget the tretis thingy (I think it was tetris?)
[18:32:57] <richlowe> can't believe I managed to typo tetris.
[18:33:03] <stevel> hah
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[18:34:09] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[18:34:19] <edwardocallaghan> What is eth0 in Solaris ?
[18:34:50] <quasi> a very unlikely thing
[18:34:51] <trygvis> ifconfig -a will show all of them
[18:35:42] <quasi> all that are configured/plumbed
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[18:38:28] <edwardocallaghan> ah -a that's it
[18:38:31] <edwardocallaghan> OK thanks
[18:38:49] <edwardocallaghan> SunOS 5.9 what solaris is that?
[18:38:54] <edwardocallaghan> 8 ?
[18:38:55] <syphilis> 9
[18:39:00] <syphilis> sunos 5.x = solaris x
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[18:42:06] <edwardocallaghan> Ah ha, thanks
[18:42:33] <edwardocallaghan> Should I install 10 for a webserver or not bother ?
[18:42:46] <edwardocallaghan> It's a Ultra 10
[18:43:20] <edwardocallaghan> Also where is top ?
[18:44:25] <delewis> prstat
[18:44:53] <edwardocallaghan> Ah
[18:44:56] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks
[18:45:03] <edwardocallaghan> got to put that on my hand
[18:45:05] <syphilis> what would you install if you didnt bother with s10?
[18:45:34] <edwardocallaghan> It came with that OS
[18:46:43] <edwardocallaghan> Is free on there with stat ?
[18:46:50] <edwardocallaghan> *prstat
[18:47:25] <cmihai> You can just tell the ones that came from Linux :)
[18:48:06] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[18:48:13] <edwardocallaghan> Well I am learning
[18:48:20] <syphilis> i would install S10 myself
[18:48:55] <edwardocallaghan> I am doing a LPIC1 at age 19 and I hope to do the Solaris = at 20
[18:49:05] <stevel> /whoi edwardocallaghan
[18:49:12] <edwardocallaghan> But am unsure where to start with Solaris
[18:49:21] <stevel> edwardocallaghan: curious. which country are you from?
[18:49:22] <cmihai> edwardocallaghan: how about docs.solaris.com ?
[18:49:35] <richlowe> btcentralplus would suggest the UK
[18:49:40] <edwardocallaghan> England , UK London
[18:49:43] <stevel> ah okay
[18:49:59] <stevel> was trying to parse whether the name was "Edwardo" or "Edward"
[18:50:31] <edwardocallaghan> Well if I have a LPIC1 by the age of 19 that's good no ?
[18:50:43] * stevel shrugs
[18:50:55] <cmihai> No
[18:51:00] <cmihai> That's pathetic :)
[18:51:33] <edwardocallaghan> I really would like to buy a book from Amazon for some a clued up new admin from Linux
[18:51:46] <edwardocallaghan> Yes your right I should have done it when I was 12
[18:52:02] <edwardocallaghan> But no one told be about it or got me a book
[18:52:13] <edwardocallaghan> I would have, no joke !
[18:52:25] <edwardocallaghan> I am a very fast learning
[18:52:37] <edwardocallaghan> And the UK is shit at teaching
[18:54:13] <edwardocallaghan> Any way that gets me all worked up
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[19:00:30] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone recommend a book?
[19:02:09] <cmihai> docs.sun.com - read
[19:02:50] <whaq> the grammar can be improved a bit too :>
[19:03:08] <edwardocallaghan> I know your right
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[19:03:25] <edwardocallaghan> Have you been to the UK
[19:03:50] <edwardocallaghan> And hear some of the people my age here ?!
[19:03:55] <cmihai> Heh
[19:04:06] <cmihai> You spawned the damn language, how come nobody seems to speak it?
[19:04:10] <edwardocallaghan> 43% of people who come out of school here can not read or write now
[19:04:21] <jteo> ...
[19:04:24] <edwardocallaghan> I am not joking !
[19:04:24] <whaq> It's the internet age, kid.. none of those regional excuses now ;)
[19:04:43] <edwardocallaghan> They all say init
[19:04:51] <edwardocallaghan> like PID 0
[19:04:53] <edwardocallaghan> :D
[19:05:02] <edwardocallaghan> they should say isn't it
[19:05:10] <whaq> I don't get it..
[19:05:11] <edwardocallaghan> OK=safe now
[19:05:12] <cmihai> You are abusing your enter key.
[19:05:18] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[19:05:20] <whaq> lol
[19:05:38] <edwardocallaghan> Really this is what people are like in the UK
[19:06:02] <cmihai> Are you sure it isn't just you?
[19:06:28] <edwardocallaghan> You would not believe me if I told you
[19:06:47] <edwardocallaghan> I am infact one of the much better ones
[19:07:06] <cmihai> This whole discussion feels like a cheap Japanese translation...
[19:07:15] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[19:07:24] <edwardocallaghan> They say oh your dyslexic
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[19:07:40] <edwardocallaghan> Oh about you fucking could not teach
[19:08:00] <edwardocallaghan> GCSE exams are getting easier
[19:08:19] <edwardocallaghan> I am spell cheaking this as I talk with Gaim as well
[19:09:02] <syphilis> hmm, despite living in the UK i don't seem to have a problem with reading or writing
[19:09:34] <jteo> maybe it's GAIM.
[19:09:44] <andersmo> "spell cheaking" indeed? =)
[19:09:55] <andersmo> (sorry, couldn't resist. =)
[19:09:57] <cmihai> I uze spellkecher t00, wurkz purfectly
[19:10:07] <cmihai> fr0m micros0ft
[19:10:27] <cmihai> Sigh.
[19:10:29] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[19:10:32] <edwardocallaghan> ah haha
[19:10:52] <edwardocallaghan> But how old are you syphilis
[19:10:59] <syphilis> 23
[19:11:31] <edwardocallaghan> So you would have not been it the education system when it started to turn so sharply
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[19:11:58] <syphilis> i didn't learn it from school, i actually read books.
[19:12:28] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I do as well but at age 12 I could not spell my name
[19:12:47] <edwardocallaghan> So I started late
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[19:14:13] <cmihai> With a name like "O'Callaghan" no wonder :)
[19:17:32] <whaq> heh
[19:20:35] <cmihai> 20:19 < cmihai> Select then middle mouse to paste, etc.
[19:20:40] <cmihai> 20:19 < knightsilver> cmihai there is only 1 mouse
[19:20:44] <cmihai> I had to share it with you guys :)
[19:20:51] <whaq> hahaha
[19:21:12] <whaq> he thought u had a rat farm
[19:22:19] <edwardocallaghan> Random
[19:22:57] <whaq> Is anyone running a non-MS OS on their notebook here?
[19:23:06] <syphilis> whaq: linux
[19:23:09] <cmihai> OpenSolaris
[19:23:40] <dwc-> whaq: linux
[19:23:53] <cmihai> OpenBSD on an older lappy
[19:24:08] <trygvis> nexenta
[19:24:13] <whaq> cool
[19:25:25] <edwardocallaghan> Linux
[19:25:45] <edwardocallaghan> And my two new SPARC's by me
[19:25:57] <dj2> whaq, solaris 10 u3
[19:26:24] <dwc-> edwardocallaghan: you have TWO sparc laptops?
[19:27:45] <whaq> What about mobile... Palm, Windows Mobile, Symbian\System 60 or other?
[19:28:41] <cmihai> whaq: lol, turns out he had an apple baby mouse.
[19:28:44] <cmihai> Only 1 button :))))))))))))
[19:28:49] <edwardocallaghan> Do you think I am mad rich?!
[19:28:58] <edwardocallaghan> two Ultra 10's mate
[19:29:04] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0072229594/ref=wl_it_dp/026-2293406-5010823?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3UQBKCT5JA59V&colid=3TAFJCV1D7NM Just got this
[19:29:16] <edwardocallaghan> I hope it will bring me up to speed
[19:30:01] <syphilis> you said 'mate' and you take the piss out of people who say 'innit'
[19:30:02] <syphilis> ;-P
[19:30:14] <whaq> LOL
[19:30:19] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, sorry, but that book isn't going to accomplish anymore than experience and documentation would.
[19:30:31] <dwc-> 10:22 < whaq> Is anyone running a non-MS OS on their notebook here?
[19:30:41] <whaq> some porns: http://www.slashgear.com/porn-gallery-of-the-samsung-sph-p9000-the-real-origami-umpc-142965.php#more-2965
[19:30:52] <edwardocallaghan> Ture but I am going to read it on the bus
[19:31:00] <edwardocallaghan> Where I don't have internet
[19:31:01] <dwc-> he didn't ask who was running a non-MS-OS on any system
[19:31:29] <whaq> i'd be mad to ask that in #opensolaris channel
[19:31:43] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
[19:32:06] <delewis> edwardocallaghan, O'Reilly's "Learning UNIX" would be more beneficial
[19:32:19] <delewis> you can just print Solaris-specific documentation from docs.sun.com
[19:32:41] <delewis> there's still no substitute for actually using the system and being faced with a real problem, though.
[19:33:13] <edwardocallaghan> I don't have a printer
[19:33:21] <cmihai> But you do have a pdf reader.
[19:33:22] <edwardocallaghan> I am moving to Australia
[19:33:26] <whaq> go to kinko's or equivalent
[19:33:39] <edwardocallaghan> Yes but I have nothing to read a PDF on a bus
[19:33:50] <edwardocallaghan> I'm not supid
[19:33:51] <cmihai> Reading a computer book on a bus a waste of time
[19:33:58] <whaq> you're taking a bus to Australia, I take it.
[19:34:08] <cmihai> You must be Brittish :)
[19:34:19] <cmihai> Only you guys have underwater buses :D
[19:34:40] <dwc-> why's a book on a bus a waste of time?
[19:34:59] <cmihai> Without anything to practice on like a laptop...
[19:35:00] <whaq> btw, flying w/ a notebook sucks nowadays. increased security measure and what not..
[19:35:25] <dwc-> that way you can type 'ls' the way they do in the book and see some output?
[19:35:34] <dwc-> it works fine for general reading
[19:35:44] <delewis> dwc-, there's something to be said for actual hands-on learning, though.
[19:35:52] <dwc-> just bookmark the pages you want to try hands-on for later
[19:36:01] <delewis> I think you'd associate "ls" with listing files in a directory more easily.
[19:36:02] <jteo> you can take a bus to australia?
[19:36:10] <cmihai> Trying to learn UNIX without a COMPUTER is somewhat of a drawback, wouldn't you think?
[19:36:13] <whaq> yep. higher memory retention when you go through the regiments.
[19:37:08] <edwardocallaghan> mate I read the book to where I am going
[19:37:15] <edwardocallaghan> SSH back hope and try
[19:37:17] <whaq> but, reading a book surely puts more UNIX kungfu magic than watching the scenery.
[19:37:54] <edwardocallaghan> Or I can look out the window and see people saying init safe in the street who think they are gangsters
[19:38:19] <cmihai> I don't get it.
[19:38:28] <delewis> you obviously haven't been to America.
[19:38:29] <edwardocallaghan> SPH-P9000 When does it come out
[19:38:30] <cmihai> And I've read it 6 times.
[19:38:57] <whaq> cmihai, you're on your way to an infinite loop
[19:39:04] <edwardocallaghan> And is there a option for Linux to be preinstalled
[19:39:50] <edwardocallaghan> As we all know BSD is not a option because everyone is ignoring it :'( !
[19:39:59] <cmihai> Yes, BSD is dying!!!
[19:40:04] <cmihai> Pfff
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[19:40:12] <edwardocallaghan> No not so
[19:40:19] <syphilis> bsd is dying, brits confirm
[19:40:25] <cmihai> Obviously sarcasm is lost on you edwardocallaghan :)
[19:40:34] <edwardocallaghan> GPL and Linus are doing stupid things
[19:40:58] <stevel> augh. i can't take it anymore
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[19:41:08] <cmihai> Heh
[19:41:18] <cmihai> You seem to have a possitive effect on people :)
[19:41:23] <edwardocallaghan> witty language used to convey insults or scorn
[19:41:41] <cmihai> Did you really require the use of a dictionary for that?
[19:41:46] <edwardocallaghan> Shot them shot them all...
[19:42:07] <edwardocallaghan> Yes because I am from the UK init
[19:42:28] <cmihai> Bloody hell dude, I took ESOL for Christ's sake
[19:42:47] <cmihai> English as a second language. Aren't you supposed to be a native speaker?
[19:43:36] <dwc-> the brits are all about their irony
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[19:44:45] <whaq> English isn't my first language either.
[19:44:52] <Fish> hello
[19:44:57] <whaq> hi Fish
[19:46:57] <edwardocallaghan> Most people in England are not British !
[19:47:02] <edwardocallaghan> We are leaving
[19:47:36] <cmihai> Good, make way for us, for we are coming.
[19:47:54] <jteo> touche.
[19:48:27] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[19:49:21] <sommerfeld> there's long history of that sort of thing.  vikings, normans, etc., etc.,  :-)
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[19:51:07] <edwardocallaghan> And now 'gangsters'
[19:51:14] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[19:51:19] <edwardocallaghan> Right now I am going out...
[19:51:28] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks for your input guys
[19:51:39] <edwardocallaghan> All the best
[19:52:06] <elektronkind> anthropologists are still perplexed on where the whole boiling your meat tradition came from, though
[19:53:16] <edwardocallaghan> ?
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[19:55:27] <edwardocallaghan> See ya
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[19:55:38] <cmihai> What a strange person...
[19:56:23] <whaq> Magnetic personality..
[19:57:13] <jteo> we were all young once.
[19:57:53] <whaq> It's not exactly the same thing though, jteo.
[19:58:08] <whaq> young != ignorant..
[19:58:37] <jteo> true.
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[20:10:47] <whaq> young == restless
[20:10:59] <whaq> ah it's been a long day.. need my nap.
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[20:41:43] <gdamore> hi *
[20:42:23] <gdamore> i must say, i'm really pleased with Solaris 10 on my 1.0GHz VIA C7 system doing NAS.
[20:42:52] <hali> is it super slow?
[20:43:01] <gdamore> this little NAS box (dual SATA 1.5Gb/s) gets better performance than comparable Linux-based devices
[20:43:25] <gdamore> e.g. I get about 22KB/sec write performance with large files (e.g. 600MB)
[20:44:08] <hali> thats alright i guess...
[20:44:16] <gdamore> and I get that on about 20-30W.
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[20:45:03] <gdamore> i'm running ZFS in a mirroring configuration on the drives.
[20:45:24] <sommerfeld> 22KB/s?
[20:45:26] <gdamore> all told, I paid ~$500 in hardware.
[20:45:27] <sommerfeld> or MB/s
[20:45:39] <gdamore> MB/s  sorry
[20:47:26] <gdamore> once i get a 2nd gigE on it, I want to try using it with IPMP to see if I can get better read perf.
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[20:47:50] <gdamore> i should probably submit this board to the HCL, but I want to see the onboard gigE supported by rge first
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[20:48:51] <hwu> I am using Solaris 10, Relection X. If using root user, I could use XDMCP direct method to connect to the server, and CDE would work fine, but if I just use a normal user account, then it would fail. I checked user's home directory rights, and nothing's wrong, what could be wrong?
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[20:51:59] <stevel> jteo: ping
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[21:06:48] <scode> Hrmpf.
[21:06:58] <scode> Is there any SATA controller with 4 or more ports supported by OpenSolaris?
[21:07:08] <scode> Just got a 3114 but realized it does not work, at least without flashing it.
[21:07:19] <cmihai> Did you check the HCL?
[21:07:42] <gdamore> a lot of controllers work in PATA compatibility mode, I think.
[21:07:59] <gdamore> e.g. the SATA controllers on my Via C7 system are in IDE compat mode
[21:08:14] <scode> cmihai: Yes, but several are supported that are not listed there. And only high-end stuff is listed there, so.
[21:08:38] <scode> gdamore: Yeah that's what I thought about 3114, but there are basically no non-raid options in the control utility and googling turned up references to flashing it...
[21:08:54] <jamesd> scode, http://astore.amazon.com/jamesdsworld-20/detail/B00017X2MU/002-1289193-3766427
[21:09:47] <gdamore> heh.  i didn't have to touch any thing -- i just plugged in the drives and went.
[21:09:50] <scode> That would be great if it were not "currently unavailable" :)
[21:09:57] <scode> Though i guess it may be elsewhere. Will look around.
[21:10:13] <scode> Though 8 port and 64bit makes me suspect it's hideously expensive (this is for home use).
[21:10:26] <scode> jamesd: thanks for the tip
[21:10:31] <whaq> scode, check out Sonnet Tempo E4P
[21:11:09] <scode> whaq: thanks. will look into that one too.
[21:11:25] <whaq> there's also www.sataport.com
[21:11:45] <whaq> but the current si3124 driver doesn't support it properly I reckon.
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[21:12:23] <scode> Yeah I was hoping to use port multipliers in the future, but my understanding was too that it was not yet supported.
[21:12:34] <scode> But that it was planned as part of the sata/ich project.
[21:13:10] <whaq> I tried it w/ si3132. solaris 'almost' has support for it..
[21:13:35] <whaq> .. it needs repeated boot to initialize all the ports, and has trouble when handling large transfers.
[21:14:42] <scode> Okay. So will have to wait a bit for that then.
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[21:16:39] <dwc-> there's some LSI cards at newegg with support
[21:17:23] <dwc-> works on sparc too
[21:18:39] <whaq> dwc-, did you test it?
[21:19:20] <dwc-> did the research first, so yes
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[21:20:41] <dwc-> and there's 4 disks connected to it
[21:21:03] <dwc-> and a zfs filesystem on them
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[21:23:12] <whaq> dwc-, you mean port multiplier? can  you tell which card\chipset it is?
[21:24:30] <dwc-> this one is actually a SAS controller
[21:25:39] <scode> Hmm.
[21:26:04] <scode> But works with SATA drives? I mean I have heard mumblings about SAS/SATA compatibility but I'm not sure what the deal is in practice.
[21:26:35] <dwc-> yep
[21:26:55] <dwc-> has 4 ST3500641AS in it
[21:27:08] <dwc-> (seagate 500gb sata)
[21:27:47] <dwc-> iirc the card is the same chipset as the one that came with the niagara
[21:28:07] <scode> Ok.
[21:28:11] <scode> Thanks.
[21:28:28] <scode> My plan for ZFS/SATA on OpenSolaris is becoming more complicated/expensive by the day. ;)
[21:28:41] <cmihai> Heh
[21:28:50] <dwc-> well, we were limited by needing the sparc compat
[21:28:54] <cmihai> 4x500GB SATA + ZFS here also :)
[21:29:14] <cmihai> Seagate++ :)
[21:29:15] <dwc-> it was a lot easier to find x86 compatible sata cards with solaris support
[21:29:20] <dwc-> than it was to find sparc ones
[21:29:51] <elektronkind> the x86 should work fine in sparc as long as you don't want to boot off of them
[21:30:33] <dwc-> will file that away for future reference
[21:30:47] <dwc-> we probably would have gotten this one anyways, in case we needed it for that purpose
[21:30:58] <elektronkind> for booting on sparc you'll need one that has openboot fcode
[21:32:08] * delewis wonders why vendors haven't published Fcode for their devices
[21:32:13] <delewis> Emulex has been doing this for quite awhile
[21:32:18] <dwc-> laziness?
[21:32:24] <dwc-> lack of financial interest?
[21:32:27] <delewis> you can take, say an LP8000, that you bought for a peecee, and throw the Fcode on it.
[21:32:38] <delewis> throw in your SPARC or PowerPC, and *poof*
[21:32:40] <delewis> it just works.
[21:32:57] <dwc-> it'd be nice
[21:33:22] <scode> I wonder if for low-budget stuff it's just better to wait for the native AHCI project which seems fairly close in time judging by ML posts.
[21:34:40] <elektronkind> hmm
[21:34:55] <elektronkind> so, with s10u3, after sudo'ing to a root shell:
[21:34:56] <elektronkind> [root@systmp24]~>reboot
[21:34:57] <elektronkind> reboot: can't idle init
[21:35:12] <elektronkind> I wonder if this due to trusted extensions
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[21:38:39] <elektronkind> hmm, seems so. from a 'truss reboot'
[21:38:40] <elektronkind> kill(1, SIGTSTP)                                Err#1 EPERM
[21:38:51] <delewis> I'm fairly sure I've done a reboot since I installed S10u3 and I never saw anything like that.
[21:38:56] <delewis> but then again, I wasn't using sudo.
[21:39:17] <delewis> so TX broke sudo
[21:39:44] <dwc-> does sudo su - work?
[21:39:47] <elektronkind> nothing on google about this it seems
[21:39:50] <elektronkind> I'll try that
[21:40:08] <elektronkind> nope, doesn't. same error.
[21:40:20] <elektronkind> curious
[21:40:35] <charlieS> elektronkind: 'su -'
[21:40:36] <elektronkind> happens on a different box (this one is sparc, the other is x86)
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[21:41:46] <charlieS> if you're going to allow sudo to run a root shell, it's more secure to just 'su -' (because then you aren't becoming root with just a user's password)
[21:42:35] <charlieS> in fact, you may as well just give your user account uid 0 if you're allowing 'sudo bash'
[21:42:37] <elektronkind> that would be fine if I were the only admin
[21:43:22] <charlieS> :)
[21:43:23] <gisburn> elektronkind: it is still not a good idea since it would open holes for worms.
[21:43:24] <elektronkind> our sudo goes against kerberos as well, so imagine we're more than just one or two machines.
[21:44:13] <elektronkind> ok, plain 'ol 'su -' fails, too.
[21:44:32] <elektronkind> something with my base config, probably.
[21:44:41] <charlieS> odd, that :)
[21:44:49] <elektronkind> tweaking tx the wrong way
[21:45:04] <elektronkind> this stuff worked fine up until u3.
[21:45:32] <gisburn> Does a blade1000 work with a non-sun USB keyboard, too ?
[21:45:51] <richlowe> sometimes.
[21:46:03] * richlowe has seen it work, and seen it not work
[21:46:14] <richlowe> though even when it works, not having Stop is annoying. :)
[21:46:35] <gisburn> richlowe: what about the BRK key ?
[21:46:46] <sommerfeld> gisburn: so did you get it to power on?
[21:48:01] <gisburn> sommerfeld: yes
[21:48:16] <gisburn> sommerfeld: disks spin up, two "dorks" from the speaker
[21:48:30] <gisburn> sommerfeld: but the keyboard LEDs are dead meat
[21:48:43] <gisburn> sommerfeld: and no response from caps lock
[21:48:54] <gisburn> sommerfeld: and I don't have a 25pin null-model cable here.
[21:48:55] <elektronkind> hmm, but root login from the tty console allows a reboot. okay, that's a start.
[21:49:08] <gisburn> which makes me sad since I HATE the 9pin RS232 thing.
[21:49:32] <gisburn> elektronkind: I don't even have this kind of access right now.
[21:50:30] * gisburn wonders whether he should quit studying informatics and continue painting pictures etc.
[21:50:38] <gisburn> may be a better fate than this sh*t
[21:51:23] <elektronkind> I know what you mean
[21:51:56] <elektronkind> I've toyed with moving on to landscaping. at times, moving piles of dirt around seems like it would be more rewarding
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[21:53:39] <gisburn> elektronkind: the fun part is that I get around 120-400euro per painiting which (depending on the motive, complexity, size etc.) around 3-20h to paint. Assuming I can sell 10 pictures/month (ok, not likely) I could get between 1000 and 4000 euro/month
[21:54:25] <elektronkind> translated into US$, that's a pretty nice return
[21:54:37] <gisburn> elektronkind: note the "not likely"
[21:55:04] <elektronkind> well, a hobby then becomes "work"
[21:56:32] <richlowe> fun things rarely remain fun when you *have* to do them.
[21:56:56] <gisburn> elektronkind: I already did that. However focussing on HPC stuff has become difficult here in germany and 80% of my current work is political/adminstrative stuff which I really do not like
[21:57:03] <elektronkind> exactly. hence why in my case I'm not a starving full-time DJ.
[21:58:47] <quasi> gisburn: you could probably make almost the same just as a regular house painter, and there would be no assuming about the returns ;)
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[22:02:14] <gisburn> quasi: well... maybe I should just seek another job within the informatics field.
[22:02:40] <quasi> gisburn: sounds like a plan
[22:03:12] <gisburn> quasi: Or better: Delete the "maybe", our institute is closing down in Februar 2007 and that means I really need something new.
[22:03:56] <quasi> gisburn: anything in particular you're looking for?
[22:04:59] <gisburn> quasi: I have to ask around... I know this since yesterday.
[22:05:07] <quasi> gisburn: ah
[22:06:10] <gisburn> quasi: and people who need staff which can dismanle, debug and progarm vector machines have become rare thanks to the parallel cluster-xx@@@!!!-junk.
[22:06:49] <quasi> gisburn: indeed
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[22:16:20] <pseudoXh4> Has anyone tried Belkin USB Wireless G cards on OS?
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[22:16:31] <pseudoXh4> I believe they're Ralink based, but I'm not 100% sure.
[22:23:26] <elektronkind> heh. oooookay.
[22:23:26] <elektronkind> [root@systmp24]/>init 5
[22:23:26] <elektronkind> Must be super-user
[22:23:42] <elektronkind> this is so wacky
[22:23:50] <pseudoXh4> Word.
[22:25:29] <andersmo> elektronkind: does ppriv $$ yield any insight?
[22:28:10] <elektronkind> EIPL = all, basic, all, all  (respectively)
[22:29:25] <andersmo> OK, so your privilege set is the normal root privilege set. Hm. =/
[22:29:43] <elektronkind> yeah, it's perplexing.
[22:30:26] <elektronkind> now, I can log in on the tty console or ssh in as root and I get the same privs, but flags = <none>, and I can manipulate init
[22:30:54] <elektronkind> flags = 8300 if I log in as a non-priv user and sudo or su to root.
[22:31:15] <andersmo> Hm, I see flags = <none> on a regular root on a non-TX-solaris.
[22:31:21] <andersmo> ...so maybe that's a key.
[22:31:40] <delewis> # ppriv $$
[22:31:40] <delewis> 8309:   -ksh
[22:31:40] <delewis> flags = <none>
[22:31:53] <delewis> this system was upgraded from S10u2 to u3
[22:32:10] <elektronkind> did you log straight in as root or sudo/su ?
[22:32:32] <delewis> heh, I don't even have sudo installed :-)
[22:32:36] <elektronkind> ahhhh
[22:32:37] <delewis> and that was su -
[22:32:51] <elektronkind> ok, I just did this exercise on a non-TX s10u2 box.
[22:33:15] <elektronkind> logged in as normal user, sudo to root shell, flags=<none>
[22:33:25] <elektronkind> I do the same on a TX box, and flags=8300
[22:33:35] <elektronkind> well, 0x8300
[22:33:50] <elektronkind> ok, what's this flags thing then.
[22:33:57] * elektronkind rummages though a man page or two
[22:34:21] <andersmo> man setpflags, and less /usr/include/sys/priv.h =)
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[22:47:54] <darkcmd> Is there a possibility of CDE being released as open software?
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[22:48:21] <gisburn> darkcmd: sure, right after the hell freezes.
[22:48:24] <alanc_work> darkcmd: not a very big one
[22:48:37] <gisburn> or the moon turns pink and tries to mate with uranus.
[22:48:40] <darkcmd> hehe
[22:49:04] <darkcmd> is CDE still used much anymore?
[22:49:11] <gisburn> uhm.... yes
[22:49:22] <cmihai> Hell yeah
[22:49:23] <delewis> darkcmd, I still use it.
[22:49:30] <alanc_work> it's a mix of sources from many vendors, so would be a lot of work to track down all the original contracts/licenses/rights and determine if they allow open sourcing or need to be re-negotiated
[22:49:36] <cmihai> It's common, it works and it's fast.
[22:49:42] <gisburn> JDS is still no option for us - it kills a SunRay machine within hours.
[22:50:06] <darkcmd> and CDE runs under OpenSolaris X86?
[22:50:06] <andersmo> It can be detoxed to a certain degree, at least. =)
[22:50:11] <andersmo> (JDS)
[22:50:12] <cmihai> darkcmd: yep
[22:50:15] <alanc_work> complicated by things like the parts originally owned by DEC, USL, Novell, etc. that you have to track down where the ownership got transferred to in all the subsequent mergers/deals
[22:50:17] <cmihai> darkcmd: hey!
[22:50:19] <cmihai> :)
[22:50:30] <darkcmd> cmihai, hi :D
[22:51:13] <cmihai> UNIX is pretty much moving torwards GNOME
[22:51:17] <cmihai> I've seen it on HP-UX also
[22:51:18] <gisburn> andersmo: not really... we and others tried to get JDS working since many months and never got it working reliably in production.
[22:51:49] <delewis> cmihai, not really.
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[22:51:54] <darkcmd> yeah, GNOME is pretty difficult to build too
[22:51:55] <delewis> Unix vendors are shipping Gnome
[22:52:00] <delewis> but they aren't pushing it like Sun is
[22:52:01] <andersmo> I use ion3 on my sunray desktop. It's basically just a way to pack as many rxvts as possible onto the availagle screen real estate and let me navigate between them with minimum effort. Which suits my use of the sunray pretty well. =)
[22:52:04] <delewis> its more of a "supplement"
[22:52:07] <Xbot> commit by Alan Coopersmith: 6504462 XFixes 4.0 [PSARC 2006/702]
[22:52:08] <andersmo> s/agle/able/
[22:52:11] <darkcmd> andersmo, another ion3 user :)
[22:52:16] <delewis> IBM ships Gnome on the freeware CDs for AIX
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[22:52:24] <gisburn> andersmo: the result is that at least one universify in germany is going to retire it's two SF68k because the promised number of users with JDS could never be reached.
[22:52:25] <richlowe> hah.
[22:52:30] <cmihai> delewis: yeah. 1.4 last time I checked
[22:52:50] <cmihai> Not exactly "bleeding edge" hehe
[22:53:00] <delewis> yeah, Gnome on AIX was fugly, to say the least.
[22:53:15] <delewis> I transitioned back to AIXwindows fairly quickly. :-)
[22:53:23] <darkcmd> I don't know, the GTK dialog boxes in GNOME, make me feel stupid, and I find them to be a usability nightmare.
[22:53:31] <darkcmd> delewis, AIXwindows being CDE on AIX?
[22:53:35] <gisburn> yes
[22:53:36] <delewis> darkcmd, yeah.
[22:53:37] <alanc_work> hmm. Xbot does bear a striking similarity to a certain M$ (TM) - maybe it's a good thing to not have an X version of onbot
[22:53:39] <delewis> similar to DECwindows :-)
[22:53:42] <cmihai> Heheh
[22:53:51] <darkcmd> delewis, I used that on my VAX under OpenVMS
[22:54:08] <alanc_work> not very much like OpenWindows though
[22:54:11] <cmihai> Godda love a consistent desktop :)
[22:54:36] <darkcmd> yeah, I wish it could be opened, then I could run it on all nix like systems if I wished.
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[22:54:59] <delewis> I'll just install the packages from my Solaris 10 media whenever Sun remove it.
[22:55:06] <delewis> people have been doing that with OpenWindows for years.
[22:55:21] <alanc_work> it's not impossible, just requires someone with deep pockets and strong desire, and there doesn't seem to be anyone like that around
[22:55:42] <delewis> I guess XiG wouldn't have anything to gain from it, either.
[22:55:57] <delewis> (given they're the largest vendor outside of IBM, HP, and Sun that ship CDE)
[22:55:58] <darkcmd> XiG makes the CDE implementation for Linux right?
[22:56:02] <delewis> darkcmd, yes
[22:56:12] <darkcmd> it costs money right?
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[22:56:19] <delewis> $80, IIRC.
[22:56:22] <delewis> it's fairly cheap.
[22:56:31] <cmihai> I wonder if someone actually buys it
[22:56:32] <darkcmd> :/
[22:56:33] <alanc_work> XiG would have a bigger hurdle, since they're just a licensee, not a co-owner like IBM, HP & Sun
[22:56:35] <delewis> they managed to purchase a source+distribution license from the Open Group for CDE 2.0
[22:56:49] <delewis> alanc_work, makes sense.
[22:56:51] <darkcmd> that's just too much for a windowing environment
[22:56:53] <elektronkind> okay, narrowed it down to our openssh
[22:58:06] <delewis> darkcmd, you actually get more than just CDE
[22:58:09] <delewis> you also get their X11 server
[22:58:15] <delewis> which isn't half-bad.
[22:58:22] <darkcmd> oh, xorg works fine here :D
[22:58:23] <delewis> Sun uses a lot of their drivers for Xsun.
[22:58:35] <darkcmd> Xsun is sparc only right?
[22:58:38] <cmihai> No
[22:58:41] <delewis> x86, as well.
[22:58:44] <darkcmd> oh
[22:58:50] <syphilis> other way round, Xorg is x86-only (for now)
[23:01:04] <alanc_work> Xsun has a lot of XiG's older drivers on x86, but anything from this decade pretty much came from XFree86 instead
[23:01:41] <delewis> heh, XiG writes on their site that Solaris/x86 is so much more than Linux.
[23:02:04] <cmihai> I like them already :D
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[23:03:42] <delewis> http://www.xig.com/Pages/Summit/OSsupport.html
[23:03:52] <delewis> under "Solaris 64-bit Summit Series"
[23:04:13] <hali> lies!
[23:04:25] <hali> the install (manual) process in solaris sucks..
[23:04:32] <richlowe> the what now?
[23:04:43] * richlowe assumes that content hasn't changed since around '97
[23:05:03] <delewis> richlowe, they've updated it to say they support Solaris 10 update 1 and update 2
[23:05:59] * cmihai still wonders how they stay in business
[23:06:28] <delewis> cmihai, doing ATC stuff.
[23:06:31] <syphilis> they must have a few old commercial contracts, i can't imagine end user sales accounts for much revenue at all
[23:06:41] <delewis> they're catering to all of the facilities that are moving from proprietary Unix systems to Linux
[23:06:48] <delewis> and still need their Motif ATC applications to work properly.
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[23:07:18] <hali> they probably have loads of partner companies who recommend AX to their clients...
[23:07:26] <hali> i.e. motif app vendors
[23:07:33] <cmihai> 3heh
[23:08:45] <elektronkind> motif is pretty much the only remaining popular and proprietary widget these days, is it?
[23:09:11] <delewis> http://www.xig.com/Pages/FP/AppsAX.html
[23:09:12] <elektronkind> with everything else seemingly either gtk or qt
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[23:09:16] <hali> isn't qt semi-proprietary?
[23:09:17] <delewis> elektronkind, there's Lesstif
[23:09:20] <delewis> hali, no anymore.
[23:09:28] <delewis> its under a GPL-compatible license
[23:09:31] <hali> ah.. nice
[23:09:36] <delewis> that wasn't the case a few years ago, though.
[23:10:37] <rydis> Motif/Lesstif uses Xt, as well, which, alone, makes it better than Qt and Gtk combined.
[23:10:50] <delewis> not to mention that Motif actually pays attention to xrdb.
[23:10:59] <delewis> something that Qt blantantly ignores.
[23:11:57] <delewis> and Motif seems fairly consistent -- there's a stable specification, as well as some reasonable documentation.
[23:12:16] <delewis> this certainly does not seem to be the case with GTK.
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[23:17:15] <gisburn> http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=115148
[23:17:30] <gisburn> That may give a new, cool horror film
[23:17:50] <gisburn> Flying piranhia-snake-rats roaming the plane!
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[23:17:57] <gisburn> er
[23:18:05] <gisburn> mutated of course
[23:18:20] <gisburn> and radioactive!
[23:18:29] <_william_> hi all
[23:18:34] <_william_> hi gisburn
[23:18:44] <alanc_work> the rats were just there for the snakes to eat
[23:18:45] <gisburn> _william_: Hi!
[23:19:09] <_william_> how are you gisburn
[23:19:14] <gisburn> alanc_work: THAT doesn't make a good B-horor-movie.
[23:19:32] <alanc_work> this is why I write code, not screenplays
[23:19:34] <gisburn> _william_: Not near suicice today.
[23:19:51] <alanc_work> libtool is the closest I get to sheer horror
[23:19:58] <gisburn> heh
[23:20:31] <alanc_work> "Why won't you die already you zombie .la file?   I thought I killed you already!"
[23:20:58] <gisburn> alanc: ln -s /dev/null foo.la # should do the trick
[23:20:59] <delewis> and then at that point you just say screw it and blow away the entire source tree and un-tar again.
[23:21:31] <alanc_work> my install script skips any files with names ending in .la
[23:21:39] <gisburn> la.la.la
[23:21:45] * delewis covers his ears
[23:21:51] <gisburn> tra.tra.la.la
[23:21:59] <gisburn> tra.la.la
[23:22:00] * delewis drops gisburn's SB1000 on him
[23:22:20] <gisburn> delewis: yeah, hurt me with that.
[23:22:39] <gisburn> delewis: I spend my last money on this shit and it doesn't boot at all.
[23:22:40] <delewis> no luck with it, yet?
[23:22:43] <gisburn> NO
[23:22:48] <gisburn> xx@@@!!!
[23:23:00] * delewis offers gisburn a shotgun
[23:23:12] <gisburn> And the f*cking null modem cable is 9pin to 9pin
[23:23:21] * gisburn shoots delewis head off the body
[23:23:27] <delewis> its just bad karma for killing ksh88.
[23:23:28] <gisburn> bah
[23:23:33] <gisburn> blood
[23:24:02] <delewis> only Germans can come up with "shooting a head off the body"
[23:24:03] <delewis> :-)
[23:24:18] <gisburn> delewis: why ?
[23:24:31] <gisburn> delewis: aim at face and pull trigger.
[23:24:40] <delewis> :-(
[23:24:55] <delewis> and this is why your SB1000 isn't booting.
[23:24:56] * delewis ducks
[23:25:03] <gisburn> grumpf
[23:25:21] <gisburn> How was the page called which had the movies ? Oger.com ?
[23:25:25] <delewis> in the mean time, I'll tease you with this:
[23:25:32] <delewis> $ uname -a
[23:25:32] <delewis> SunOS galileo 5.10 Generic_118833-33 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1000
[23:25:43] <gisburn> gggrraaaaHJHHHHHGGGHHHNNNNNNNN!!!!!
[23:26:40] * elektronkind watches gisburn raise an eyebrow and put his hand on the door to the cage holding his komodo dragons
[23:27:07] * gisburn wants to rip-out delewis heart and boil that for breakfast
[23:27:16] <delewis> that's very Klingon of you
[23:28:11] <gisburn> how was the horror movie called where the mine woker became insane and killed the people at valentine's day, including cooking someone's heart in the spaghetti water during a party ?
[23:30:10] <gisburn> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082782/
[23:30:22] <gisburn> "My Bloody Valentine"
[23:32:16] <hspaans> hmmm nice movie
[23:35:00] <gisburn> Ok... from which series is this: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Sbk/24/49292_1_2.jpg
[23:35:55] <syphilis> gisburn: looks like the troll from buffy
[23:35:57] <alanc_work> actually thought of gisburn last night when watching Scrubs and they had someone who was attacked by a komodo dragon
[23:36:36] <gisburn> alanc_work: what is "scubs" ?
[23:36:38] <onbot> commit by jm22469:  6488115 reboot from guest via break hangs; 6493053 guest panic in module drctl while doing CPU DR; 6495154 mdeg should not print a warning when the MD generation number does not change; 6498164 drd cannot be brought online if networking is not enabled.
[23:37:02] <alanc_work> gisburn: comedy tv show set in a hospital
[23:38:40] <gisburn> alanc_work: and how did the komodo dragon get to bite someone ?
[23:39:00] <alanc_work> they reached into it's cage
[23:39:07] <onbot> commit by aa72041:  6490411 /devices/pseudo/fcode@0:fcode: No such file or directory
[23:39:08] <gisburn> erm
[23:39:32] <gisburn> alanc_work: usually the dragon will hide and try to escape the hand
[23:40:02] <richlowe> I always figured libtool for a more 'cartoon characature of Peter Lorre' kind of thing.
[23:40:18] <gisburn> at least the puppies we had were scared when someone tried to grab them from above.
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[23:43:27] <gisburn> alanc_work: did they show the komodo dragons during the movie ?
[23:43:50] <alanc_work> they just showed one sitting in their cage - they didn't show the attack
[23:44:33] <gisburn> alanc_work: how large was the one in the cage ?
[23:44:38] <gisburn> approximately
[23:45:07] <onbot> commit by Matthew Ahrens:  6463140 zfs recv with a snapshot name that has 2 @@ in a row succeeds; 6493146 get_numeric_property() has redundant code; 6494638 Panic - buffer modified while frozen! when running zpool_create_005; 6499476 some zfs_iter_* users leak memory
[23:45:25] <gisburn> alanc_work: 100cm, 200cm, ... ?
[23:45:43] <alanc_work> don't remember
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[23:48:19] <gisburn> did the person surive the bite ?
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[23:49:25] <wizeman> hi, is there anyone here from the ON/Nevada (ONNV) project?
[23:49:28] <alanc_work> yes
[23:49:36] <wizeman> ok
[23:49:38] <alanc_work> (that yes was for gisburn, not wizeman)
[23:49:45] <wizeman> oh ok :p
[23:50:12] <alanc_work> though there are people from ON logged in - I'm just not one of them
[23:50:16] <syphilis> wize: best to ask your question
[23:51:03] <wizeman> it seems that there are 2 changesets in the Mercurial repository tagged with the same name (onnv_54)
[23:51:14] <richlowe> the wrong rev got tagged.
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[23:51:34] <wizeman> yes, but shouldn't the old tag be removed?
[23:51:41] <richlowe> I suspect stevel fixed it badly.
[23:51:52] <syphilis> poor steve
[23:52:10] <richlowe> but yes, it should only appear once.
[23:52:19] <richlowe> and yes, poor Steve ;)
[23:52:19] <wizeman> besides, the respins/backouts bundle has the old (incorrect) changeset as the parent, not the new one
[23:52:27] <richlowe> that'd be his fault too.
[23:52:43] <gisburn> why "poor steve" ? What happened ? Accident ? Death ?
[23:53:12] <wizeman> ok, should I contact him then?
[23:53:19] <alanc_work> Death by Code Management Tools?
[23:53:25] <gisburn> heh
[23:53:40] <gisburn> brain meltdown
[23:53:49] <alanc_work> the death of 1000 commits
[23:53:52] <richlowe> stevel: You need to kill the bogus onnv_54 tag from .hgtags, and regenerate the respin from the right delta.
[23:53:56] <richlowe> wizeman: like that? :)
[23:54:15] <wizeman> oh he's here :p
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[23:54:56] <wizeman> ok I hope he sees the logs then
[23:54:59] <wizeman> thanks
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