[00:00:09] <nachox> you have to install it fresh at least once...
[00:00:24] <cmihai> (in a while) :)
[00:00:25] <timeless> how do i start the installer again from a command prompt?
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[00:01:41] <schily> hi all... back again
[00:02:18] <Error_404> hello again
[00:03:19] <nachox> brb
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[00:08:06] <schily> Is somebody interested in a Bourne Shell with interactive history editor?
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[00:08:25] <Stric> hrm. anyone know about locale changes between b48 and b53? I've been using 'locale en_US;locale en_GB;locale sv;geo N_Europe' before and it's been working since sol8 at least.. in b53, it doesn't know about any of them after boot
[00:08:34] <richlowe> I believe twincest implented it quite a while ago.
[00:08:37] <richlowe> so I'd assume at least one person.
[00:08:43] <twincest> yeah, i did
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[00:11:40] <timeless> cute
[00:12:01] <timeless> The Solaris Version (Solaris 11) on slice c2d0s0 cannot be upgraded. A non-global zone could not be mounted.
[00:12:14] <timeless> ok, so how many different reasons are there for not being able to do an upgrade? :(
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[00:12:36] <schily> Is somebody interested in a Bourne Shell with interactive history editor?
[00:13:20] <Stric> deja vu?
[00:13:37] <schily> why?
[00:13:40] <schily> where?
[00:14:31] <stevel> timeless: we have a crack team of engineers working to thwart you at every turn ;-)
[00:14:33] <Stric> you just asked it and people answered ;)
[00:14:44] <timeless> stevel: they're very good
[00:15:05] * timeless tries to figure out how to mount c2d0s0
[00:15:34] <schily> who did answer when?
[00:16:01] <Stric> 00:08 (richlowe) I believe twincest implented it quite a while ago.
[00:16:01] <Stric> 00:08 (richlowe) so I'd assume at least one person.
[00:16:25] <schily> the problem is that when many people discuss many topics it is hard to tell wether an answer is for you...
[00:16:36] <twincest> http://www.knams.wikimedia.org/~kate/solaris-patches/sh-libtecla.diff
[00:16:39] <twincest> it's a bit rough but iirc it works okay
[00:17:12] * timeless wonders how to tell solaris it has no zones
[00:17:26] <richlowe> supportedly? remove them.
[00:17:45] <timeless> well, just so the upgrader will shut u
[00:18:10] <schily> I have the shell running since an hour with my bsh editor (the editor I wrote in 1984)
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[00:18:32] * timeless just uses zsh
[00:18:33] <richlowe> timeless: You maybe able to mv the config away from /etc/zones, and adjust the index file temporarily.
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[00:18:41] <schily> bsh's editor is nice to use
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[01:20:44] <timeless> hrm
[01:20:48] <timeless> my ssytem is very unhappy
[01:20:54] <timeless> ooh, wierd
[01:21:06] <timeless> i got an nvidia screen
[01:21:18] <timeless> does snv_53 upgrade over snv_49 w/ nvidia automatically keep the nvidia driver?
[01:22:36] <timeless> <!> The application gnome-session has crashed.
[01:22:40] <timeless> (x) Close
[01:22:47] <timeless> i hope i don't need gnome session
[01:25:57] <richlowe> make sure hal is enabled.
[01:26:02] <richlowe> then (probably) log back in.
[01:26:13] * richlowe thought alanc mentioned a first-use crash of gnome-session with 53
[01:26:33] <timeless> is it bad that volfs is in maintenance :)
[01:26:37] <timeless> or not running or something
[01:26:45] <richlowe> No, because it's not there anymore.
[01:26:51] <alanc> timeless, snv_53 installs the current nvidia driver no matter what your system previously had
[01:26:59] <timeless> alanc: yum
[01:27:04] <richlowe> not sure why it doesn't delete the service, however.
[01:27:13] <timeless> richlowe: that was my follow up question :)
[01:27:15] <alanc> bug, fixed in nv_54
[01:27:16] <Tpenta> g'day alan
[01:27:59] <alanc> don't remember the bug id, just lots of e-mail from Artem (tamarack lead) about the services being deleted on upgrade was fixed in 54
[01:28:15] <alanc> richlowe: yeah - never did debug why it crashed on me
[01:28:29] <timeless> cute
[01:28:40] <timeless> apache2 failed to start because it's missing files
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[01:32:35] <onbot> commit by Norm Jacobs:  6502814 Printing to USB printer no longer works in snv_54
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[01:43:10] <timeless> ok, now i have a happy desktop, i guess
[01:43:17] <timeless> certainly looks different in snv_53 :)
[01:43:27] <timeless> ooh, there are icons in the gnome menu!
[01:44:52] <Auralis> gnome menu had icons since the dawn of time
[01:45:09] <timeless> i broke something in one of my upgrades
[01:45:09] <McBofh> yeah, they're just a bit sexier now
[01:45:12] <timeless> so my snv_49 didn't
[01:45:21] <timeless> well, maybe 4 out of 50 items had icons :)
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[01:49:57] <timeless> is there any reason to use sun's staroffice over a normal openoffice?
[01:51:19] <Error_404> an irrational love of Sun ?
[01:52:06] <onbot> commit by danmcd:  6503271 tun module global policy enforcement erroneously drops ICMP errors
[01:52:18] <Tpenta> yay dan :)
[01:57:21] * timeless wonders how to figure out which is the current version of openoffice for solaris
[01:57:41] <Auralis> why not just use the included staroffice?
[01:57:58] <timeless> well, i don't really have space on /
[01:58:10] <timeless> if i can tell the package manager to install to /opt, that's fine
[01:58:20] <timeless> otherwise, is there any reason to use the included staroffice?
[01:58:34] <alanc> nv_53 only has StarOffice 7, which is a bit behind current OpenOffice
[01:58:45] <Auralis> added cliparts, working theosaurus, spellchecker etc
[01:58:50] <alanc> nv_54 on the other hand...
[01:59:20] <Auralis> pkgadd -R /opt should reloc the pkgs to /opt, but since its build for sitting in /usr ...
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[02:00:23] * timeless only gets 800K/s
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[02:06:57] <timeless> so, i'm trying to compare a single zfs volume with a tree of zfs volumes to see if they contain the same data
[02:07:04] <timeless> diff -r doesn't complain about anything
[02:07:29] <timeless> but du on the tree gave a different size value
[02:07:36] <timeless> is that just file system overhead?
[02:12:47] <Stric> "Announcing SunSolve 6.0 beta" .. slight problem with it.. you can't login :P
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[02:16:23] <Stric> Installation of <SUNWfontconfig> was successful.
[02:16:23] 
[02:16:32] <Stric> anyone seen stuff like that when installing sxcr b53?
[02:16:51] <Stric> I got about 2/3 of the # packages compared to b48 with the same jumpstart profile
[02:17:14] <Stric> it left out stuff like support for en_US, sv_SE and various other locales ;)
[02:19:04] <onbot> commit by ethan quach:  6502740 Install GRUB menu needs an entry for Solaris Developer Express
[02:19:29] <Stric> umm. and getting various "bzip file corrupt", while they are ok on the server.. and s10u3 seems to install fine at the same time..
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[02:20:34] <nachox> fixed, it appears that solaris 10 u2 does not like the core 2 duo in this laptop and i have to boot the 32 bit kernel
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[02:20:55] <boyd> Um... what is "Solaris Developer Express"?
[02:21:25] <boyd> Don't tell me there is going to be *another* distribution
[02:21:31] <nachox> a middle ground between a community release and a full blown release
[02:21:34] * Tpenta wondders where boyd heard that term
[02:21:43] <nachox> :P
[02:21:44] <Tpenta> oh, onbot
[02:21:47] <boyd> Tpenta: the onbot notification
[02:21:52] <giant|> hum...how to forbid the auto logout while remote login to X ?
[02:22:14] <boyd> Good grief. It's confusing enough right now
[02:22:59] <alanc> onbot has a big mouth
[02:23:00] <onbot> alanc: Error: "has" is not a valid command.
[02:23:03] <Tpenta> boyd: pay no attention to theman behind the curtain
[02:23:06] <alanc> heh
[02:23:35] <boyd> It's Open Source, remember :)
[02:23:40] <sommerfeld> bah
[02:23:45] * boyd looks for the TM key
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[02:24:16] <sommerfeld> (the bah was directed at alanc)
[02:24:21] <syphilis> bit off topic, but does anyone know if MacOS X has anything like Solaris TCP_CORK?
[02:24:51] <richlowe> alanc: hardly, it's not as if 2006/687 doesn't have it's synopsis listed in the arc community.
[02:25:10] <Tpenta> that's true too
[02:25:17] <alanc> ah, forgot about that one
[02:25:42] <sommerfeld> can'
[02:25:43] <sommerfeld> gr
[02:25:50] <sommerfeld> can't wait for this to hit opensolaris-discuss
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[02:25:54] <boyd> Phew... "Open Source?"
[02:26:02] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Why?
[02:26:27] <alanc> surprised there wasn't more grousing on osol-discuss about the gate lockdowns for nv_54/55 after harpster's e-mail
[02:26:41] <richlowe> no comment.
[02:26:44] <boyd> It could have been "Sun Java Developer Express System Facility Server"
[02:26:49] <Tpenta> this is teh reason i was so happy to make it into b54
[02:26:51] <boyd> There was bitching here and there.
[02:26:56] <richlowe> Tpenta: again, no comment.
[02:27:02] <syphilis> i missed drama?
[02:27:33] <Error_404> boyd: what a long, meaningless name
[02:27:42] <gisburn> alanc: and I am unhappy about that... IMHO at least bug ids should be quoted in such cases.
[02:27:47] <boyd> syphilis: Just more of Sun springing something unannounced and unexpectedly on there own open source community.
[02:27:54] * boyd is in a badmood today
[02:28:01] <boyd> Error_404: It was a joke name
[02:28:28] <gisburn> Mhhh....
[02:28:39] <gisburn> we could sing a song to make boyd happy again...
[02:28:53] <syphilis> boyd: i don't suppose it was an unexpected update to boo? :)
[02:29:08] <boyd> syphilis: Lol
[02:29:13] <gisburn> ... <trallalalala> the sun is shining bright and hot ... <trallalalala> <trallalalala> ...
[02:29:25] <alanc> gisburn: what bug ids?
[02:29:37] <gisburn> alanc: for the lockdown ...
[02:29:51] <gisburn> boyd: feel better ? Or do you need more <trallalalala> <trallalalala> <trallalalala> ?
[02:30:10] <boyd> Umm... no, that will be ample, thanks :)
[02:30:18] <gisburn> good
[02:30:25] <alanc> there was no list of bug ids to publish
[02:30:26] * boyd is strangely not feeling that much better :)
[02:30:50] <alanc> I don't know what you'ld expect to see bug ids for
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[02:31:23] <gisburn> alanc: if the ksh93 thing would be near putback I would have wailred and begged around but thanks to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH dilemma we're now many many MONTHS away from a putback.
[02:32:05] <alanc> the lockdown was simply a "we'll only accept fixes for bugs of a certain priority - no new features/RFE's" sort of thing, so there was no set list of bug ids known in advance
[02:33:01] <syphilis> lockdown?
[02:34:28] <McBofh> syphilis: when the gate is mightily restricted
[02:34:41] <syphilis> how long does that last?
[02:34:46] <McBofh> depends
[02:34:51] <alanc> in this case, for builds 54 & 55
[02:35:00] <syphilis> ah ok
[02:35:07] <syphilis> not until the S11 release or anything :)
[02:35:15] <alanc> not yet
[02:35:34] <richlowe> part of 56 maybe somewhat limited too.
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[02:36:00] <Error_404> tbh, i think a 6 month or whatever bug-gate is a good idea
[02:36:17] <alanc> at some point, when the S11 release starts approaching, various freezes will start happening - feature freeze, RFE freeze, low-priority bug freeze, show-stoppers only, etc.
[02:36:18] <Error_404> restrict new features for a few builds every 6 months.... keep the tree bug-free
[02:36:34] <Error_404> or just do what linux does... if it compiles, it's in
[02:36:51] <richlowe> The idea is that every effort is made to *always* keep the gate pleasant.
[02:37:33] <gisburn> dduvall: ping!
[02:37:49] <Stric> Error_404: you're describing some development trees, but not all are like that
[02:38:08] <Error_404> richlowe: right, but that doesn't happen and it's delusional to think that it does
[02:38:39] <gisburn> alanc: what is the date for feature freeze in OS/Net ?
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[02:39:19] <alanc> gisburn: probably about 4-6 months before the final ship date of the nevada release
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[02:39:27] <alanc> but since we don't know when that will be yet...
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[02:46:05] * timeless chuckles
[02:46:19] <gisburn> timeless: ?!
[02:46:27] <richlowe> I managed to read that as 'after' several times, and I'm still not sure how.
[02:46:46] <timeless> OpenOffice.org 2.1 (x) Error loading BASIC of document file:///usr/staroffice7/share/basic/WebWizard/script.xlb/: General Error. General input/output error. [ OK ]
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[02:48:55] <gisburn> Can anyone check his cube whether he/she is still alive or already decomposing under his desk ?
[02:49:12] <alanc> dduvall is a he
[02:49:27] <richlowe> I'd always prefered to consider him and 'it'.
[02:49:30] <richlowe> s/and/an/
[02:49:53] <richlowe> dehumanize those who may yell at you :)
[02:50:02] <alanc> heh - turns out bfu breaks the Sun Studio installer (and anything else that uses prodreg) -
[02:50:10] <timeless> hrm
[02:50:11] <timeless> alanc?
[02:50:20] <timeless> ever used 'Disk Usage Analyzer'?
[02:50:25] <timeless> it's a bit, um, "clever"
[02:50:31] <timeless> it seems to think:
[02:50:34] <alanc> and people think I'm crazy when I say not to use BFU if you're not building ON yourself
[02:50:51] <timeless> Total file system capacity: 50820.4 GB (used: 69.4 GB available: 50750.9 GB)
[02:51:08] <dlg> thats a lot of disks
[02:51:25] <timeless> i used to have about 512 zfs volumes
[02:51:52] <timeless> i only have 231 now
[02:52:07] <boyd> alanc: some people would consider breaking prodreg a feature
[02:52:10] <syphilis> alanc: prodreg is evil
[02:52:12] <alanc> hmm - mine says Total FileSystem Capacity: 822.6 GB on my SB2500 with 72gb disk
[02:52:27] <timeless> alanc: so yours is clever too? :)
[02:52:34] <alanc> haven't played with it in a long time
[02:52:39] <timeless> should i file the bug? :)
[02:52:40] <alanc> think it's picking up all my nfs mounts
[02:52:48] <timeless> heh
[02:52:57] <timeless> mine just thinks that counting zfs volumes repeatedly is a good idea
[02:53:03] <richlowe> I suspect it's adding the available space on zfs fses too.
[02:53:04] <timeless> after all, each has the free space, right?
[02:53:16] <richlowe> yeah, what timeless said.
[02:54:14] * timeless wonders what gnome disk usage is in bugzilla.gnome.org
[02:54:27] <timeless> baobab?!
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[02:54:39] <alanc> yeah - it seems to be picking up the 206G on the home directory filesystem my /home is mounted from and the 544G on the file server I'm mounting the studio compilers from
[02:55:04] <timeless> so for you the numbers are correct?
[02:55:23] <alanc> if you count NFS mounts, yes
[02:55:25] <richlowe> maybe better to file it with the JDS folks and let them push it upstream?
[02:55:34] <alanc> but only because I don't have multiple mounts of the same fs
[02:55:47] <timeless> richlowe: you mean use b.o.o?
[02:55:56] <richlowe> unfortunately, I do.
[02:55:57] <timeless> i'd rather hit my head against the internal walls we have
[02:56:07] <richlowe> It's ok, you'll probably do both.
[02:56:08] <timeless> even though they're glass, they're probably better
[02:56:19] <richlowe> they tend to be related.
[02:56:36] <alanc> oh - the preferences panel lets you turn off filesystems so it won't count them
[02:57:03] <richlowe> that's hardly a solution.
[02:57:05] <timeless> alanc: this may take a while?
[02:57:13] <timeless> it's not multiselect
[02:57:18] <timeless> that's like, um
[02:57:23] <timeless> 250-300 clicks
[02:57:25] <alanc> didn't say it was a good answer
[02:57:26] <timeless> maybe more
[02:58:39] <timeless> alanc: do you have a bgo account?
[02:58:48] <timeless> (richlowe: do you?)
[02:59:02] <richlowe> Don't think so.
[02:59:37] <timeless> alanc: can you verify that baobab does the wrong thing for nfs?
[02:59:38] <alanc> timeless: yes
[02:59:55] <timeless> alanc: may i cc it/what is it?
[02:59:55] <alanc> (that's yes to me having a bgo account)
[03:00:02] <alanc> alan.coopersmith at sun dot com
[03:01:24] <alanc> I also wonder if including ctfs, objfs, fdfs, etc. makes any sense
[03:01:41] <timeless> i had the same thoughts when i considered bugs against gnome-system-monitor
[03:01:46] <timeless> which is similarly stupid
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[03:01:56] <jlc> Solaris 10/11ish is completely free to use at home/work right?
[03:02:00] <timeless> thankfully the system monitor guy is willing to do just about whatever i suggest
[03:02:13] <jlc> no weird license that I'm aware of :)
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[03:02:28] <pdkl> Hello, I am wondering how do you change the default shell, I was looking for 'chsh' , or do i have to edit the /etc/passwd?
[03:02:33] <gisburn> jlc: no, you will be sold to rome as slave if you use it.
[03:02:36] <alanc> jlc: yes - free to use for any purpose, other than reselling to others
[03:02:54] <jlc> thought so, didn't want to say the wrong thang to a friend, thx
[03:03:03] <alanc> pdkl: passwd -e
[03:03:06] <pdkl> im mostly looking for a linux/debian to solaris guide
[03:03:58] <alanc> http://bhami.com/rosetta.html translates among many unix flavors
[03:04:09] <timeless> oh man
[03:04:20] <timeless> baobab has some dangerously stupid buttons
[03:04:43] <jbk> jlc: have you tried your aircard yet?
[03:04:51] <jlc> alanc, Coopersmith right?
[03:04:58] <alanc> jlc: yes
[03:05:19] <timeless> hrm
[03:05:33] <timeless> two zfs volumes can share used space too, right?
[03:05:33] <jlc> jbk: no i turned it off back awhile ago cause i got one free to use for work and just used it on call in my winxp work laptop, then changed groups so don't have it anymore
[03:05:51] <timeless> a zfs snapshot and a zfs foopy...
[03:06:24] <jbk> that sucks.. the S720s work reasonably well
[03:07:01] <jlc> cool
[03:07:10] <jlc> maybe I'll fire it up again :)
[03:07:33] <jbk> just follow the docs on opensolaris.org.. though if you use inetmenu, i'd recommend a one line change to your ppd config file
[03:08:06] <jlc> doh
[03:08:21] <jlc> I forgot I got a new laptop and it has expresscard....
[03:08:28] <jbk> replace 'nodetach' to 'updetach'
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[03:11:15] <timeless> alanc: did you verify that baobab double counts nfs?
[03:12:17] <alanc> yes
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[03:12:33] <timeless> gnome bug 384919 submitted
[03:12:40] <alanc> I cd'ed to the /net/... path for my home directory and it added 200gb more to the total capacity
[03:13:31] <timeless> i suppose i should have searched to make sure they didn't have a report
[03:14:10] <timeless> nah :)
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[03:14:35] <pdkl> sigh
[03:14:45] <pdkl> you think opensolaris will have a termcap preinstalled
[03:14:48] <rodrickbrown_> man the speeds from sun.com are horrid
[03:14:51] <rodrickbrown_> 70k :(
[03:15:13] <syphilis> it does, but why are you using termcap?
[03:15:34] <pdkl> termcap effects the arrow keys in terminal right?
[03:15:43] <pdkl> i get ^[[[
[03:15:45] <syphilis> no, most modern programs use terminfo for that
[03:16:03] <pdkl> ok.. terminfo....
[03:16:05] <syphilis> termcap is a legacy interface
[03:16:24] <syphilis> perhaps your $TERM is set wrongly
[03:16:27] <richlowe> and you didn't say which shell.
[03:16:30] <pdkl> default install
[03:16:31] <richlowe> I would bet it's /bin/sh
[03:16:34] <pdkl> how can it be wrong?
[03:16:43] <jlc> heh, just realized update 3 was out....
[03:16:46] <syphilis> how you installed it has nothing to do with which terminal you're using
[03:16:54] <syphilis> or yes, it could be that you're using /bin/sh
[03:16:59] <syphilis> (which doesn't support line editing)
[03:17:08] <pdkl> i just switched it to bash
[03:17:15] <pdkl> thanks to someone on here :D
[03:17:29] <pdkl> point is, i want my line editing
[03:17:30] <pdkl> :P
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[03:17:47] <syphilis> in what?  bash?
[03:17:52] <pdkl> yes bash
[03:17:58] <syphilis> what is $TERM set to?
[03:18:10] <pdkl> xterm
[03:18:47] <McBofh> set -o emacs
[03:19:01] <jlc> I thought it was
[03:19:03] <jlc> set -o vi
[03:19:12] <syphilis> pdkl: echo $SHELL
[03:19:26] <pdkl> '/usr/bin/bash'
[03:19:39] <pdkl> hmm
[03:19:42] <syphilis> what kind of terminal are you using?
[03:20:03] <pdkl> perhaps i should have closed it down after editing the default shell ;)
[03:20:06] <pdkl> my bad ;)
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[03:20:27] <syphilis> echo $SHELL said bash even though you didn't restart the shell?
[03:20:36] <pdkl> yeah
[03:20:42] <jlc> jbk: I see now that was part of the WWAN project
[03:25:19] <timeless> shouldn't pkgadd -d . only list packages i haven't already installed?
[03:25:30] <jlc> pkginfo
[03:25:45] <timeless> that's not what i'm trying to do
[03:25:54] <timeless> i'm trying ot add some packages i haven't installed
[03:26:09] <jlc> oh
[03:26:11] <jlc> haven't
[03:26:19] <jlc> how would it know what you haven't installed?
[03:26:33] <jlc> pkgadd -d . <something> will install it
[03:26:33] <timeless> well, pkginfo knows what i have installed, no?
[03:26:42] <jlc> right
[03:26:43] <timeless> just show me everything else :)
[03:26:51] <jlc> how does it know?
[03:27:08] <timeless> same way pkginfo does?
[03:27:22] <timeless> i'm not asking it to iinstall anything, just don't suggest things that are already there
[03:27:59] <jlc> does this dir "." have packages to be installed at the moment?
[03:28:06] * timeless shrugs
[03:28:09] <timeless> i think it did when i started
[03:28:51] <jlc> I'm trying to understand what your doing and what you want, so far it sounds like you want to know what isn't installed in the world of solaris pkgs on your box
[03:29:08] <syphilis> he wants pkgadd -d . to not show packages that are already installed
[03:29:14] <timeless> i'm in a directory that contains openoffice packages
[03:29:16] <jlc> are you in a dir were there are actually pkgs to install would be a yes/no answer
[03:29:17] <jlc> ;)
[03:29:28] <timeless> i didn't ask it to install all of them the fist time
[03:29:32] <timeless> s/fist/first/
[03:29:40] <timeless> but now i want to add the onces i missed
[03:29:50] <timeless> without going over the ones that i already installed
[03:30:23] <jlc>  pkginfo -L | grep <something> in your dir
[03:30:24] * timeless wonders why openoffice didn't appear in the gnome menus after this full install
[03:30:37] <timeless> jlc: no no no
[03:30:42] <timeless> this really isn't complicated
[03:30:57] <timeless> pkgadd -d . gives a list of packages available in the current directory
[03:30:58] <jlc> oh, thought you wanted an answer ;)
[03:31:08] <timeless> well, i do, kinda
[03:31:11] <jlc> it installs them
[03:31:18] <jlc> doesn't matter if they are there
[03:31:25] <timeless> well, it asks which to choose
[03:31:27] <jlc> it will want to unless you keep hitting no
[03:31:37] <timeless> and then bothers me with yes / no questions until it runs out of pacakges
[03:31:42] <timeless> which is fairly annoying
[03:31:51] <jbk> you can modify the admin file
[03:31:54] <timeless> i don't mind being bothered for packages i haven't installed
[03:31:55] <jlc> if you just grep what is installed compared to what ooo pkgs are there that would telll you which ones aren't installed and then install them
[03:32:09] <timeless> yeah, but see
[03:32:18] <timeless> programs are supposed to do work for people
[03:32:26] <timeless> people aren't supposed to have to do work for programs
[03:32:30] <jlc> yeah, but you would be done by now....
[03:32:33] <timeless> division of labor and stuff
[03:32:40] <timeless> i am done by now
[03:33:15] <jlc> i'm reading the man page now to see if there is a switch
[03:34:17] <timeless> sure doesn't look like it's available
[03:34:20] * timeless sighs
[03:34:45] <timeless> what do i feel like i'm asking for amazingly complicated features?
[03:34:48] <timeless> s/at/y
[03:35:05] <jlc> not saying it isn't a feature that wouldn't be nice
[03:35:20] <jlc> however, what if you want it to override because something was hosed
[03:35:29] <timeless> that's fine
[03:35:39] <timeless> pkgadd -d . pkgname
[03:35:51] <timeless> or maybe pkgadd -d . -onlynew
[03:35:56] * timeless doesn't really care
[03:36:05] <timeless> pressing y<enter> 20 times sucks
[03:36:11] <timeless> nearly as much as unchecking 200 checkboxes
[03:37:01] <gisburn>  /usr/bin/yes
[03:37:11] <gisburn> timeless: yes | pkgadd ...
[03:38:46] <timeless> gisburn: and if i want to install <n-1> things out of m+n things where m things are installed?
[03:40:03] <richlowe> pkgadd -a, and an admin file.
[03:40:16] <gisburn> timeless: then you have to fetch the list of packages in the install source dir and install each package by hand and/or use an admin file.
[03:40:25] <Auralis> the key is a respons file or an admin file
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[03:40:47] <timeless> that's rediculous
[03:40:57] <timeless> in writing it, i'd have to know the answers already
[03:41:00] <timeless> and i don't
[03:41:08] <timeless> the only thing that does is the system
[03:41:11] <richlowe> sed -e 's/ask/nocheck' -e 's/unique/overwrite/' < /var/sadm/install/admin/default > admin.$$
[03:41:17] <richlowe> pkgadd -a admin<tab> -d ...
[03:41:24] <richlowe> but with better syntax :)
[03:41:29] <timeless> heh
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[03:48:10] * timeless wonders if there are nfs browsers available
[03:49:44] <gisburn> timeless: WebNFS
[03:49:53] <gisburn> timeless: HotJava did support that.
[03:50:06] <timeless> is that part of solaris? :)
[03:51:18] <delewis> pre-Solaris 8
[03:51:27] <delewis> HotJava was the primary browser in Solaris 7
[03:51:59] <Auralis> and despite written in java it was actually faster then the IE for solaris and worked better
[03:52:18] <delewis> and Netscape sucked at the time (and arguably did suck even when 4.x was released)
[03:52:20] <rodrickbrown_> worked better?
[03:52:23] * timeless prefered ice browser
[03:52:31] <rodrickbrown_> did you forget the pile of crap hotjava was?
[03:52:36] <timeless> anyone here happen to have a free version of icebrowser?
[03:52:41] <rodrickbrown_> it had support for nothing and rendered anything but text useless
[03:52:49] <Auralis> no, have you ever tried to use the steaming pos Ie for solaris was?
[03:54:12] * Stric has
[03:54:32] <ShadowHntr> lol
[03:54:33] <ShadowHntr> i'm lucky.
[03:54:34] <ShadowHntr> :)
[03:55:03] <Stric> Funny thing about it: when navigating through the menus, I got a serial buffer overflow for the mouse in the kernel.
[03:55:15] <Stric> only then.
[03:55:52] * timeless found it bearable
[03:56:24] <Auralis> i especialy liked the feature neat that made you to refresh each and every single webpage because the browser failed the first time to load it
[03:56:47] <Stric> That feature is much missed too
[03:57:09] <syphilis> someone actually liked hotjava?  how.. special.  ;-)
[03:57:53] <gisburn> syphilis: well, hotjava was NICE for the time when Solaris 2.6 was new.
[03:58:18] <gisburn> syphilis: for example the loading gauge which showed seperate lines for document, images etc.
[03:58:18] <delewis> right, looking at it back in retrospect is not really fair.
[03:58:19] <syphilis> hm, i used it on S7 and it was anything but nice
[03:58:39] <syphilis> i distinctly remember hating it with a firey passion
[03:58:51] <delewis> syphilis, you liked Netscape more?
[03:59:00] <gisburn> syphilis: sun screwed it up badly. it would have been a great browser if properly treated.
[03:59:22] <syphilis> i quite liked NS4 actually
[03:59:27] <syphilis> although i know no-one else did :)
[03:59:38] * delewis remembers the lack of threads in Netscape
[03:59:47] <gisburn> syphilis: but sun did not implement java well (remember the SMC horror which sucked up 600MB+ on single-user workstations) and that ruined HotJava, too.
[04:00:01] <gisburn> delewis: mozilla is not better.
[04:00:10] <delewis> gisburn, it is better than Netscape.
[04:00:22] <delewis> I can't recall how many times Netscape has just completely died during the middle of rendering a page.
[04:00:27] <gisburn> delewis: they use threads to do some stuff async but it is still the old single-threading model.
[04:00:56] <delewis> gisburn, I've never experienced the problems I had with Netscape on Mozilla
[04:01:29] <gisburn> delewis: no, that is not my point. I mean that Mozilla is still single-threaded for UI and rendering - and that sucks.
[04:01:58] <steleman> hi gisburn :-)
[04:02:06] <gisburn> delewis: compare this to Opera on SPARC... on a 8 way machine Opera kicks Mozilla in almost every benchmark...
[04:02:24] <gisburn> and plugins have their own process, too.
[04:02:27] <gisburn> steleman: Hi!
[04:02:48] * delewis still can't get the acroread plugin working properly with Opera
[04:05:26] * steleman hates the acroread plugin independent of browsers
[04:06:13] <gisburn> heh
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[04:08:52] <steleman> why is it called a plugin anyway
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[04:10:34] <Error_404> steleman: ummm....
[04:10:45] <Error_404> because it plugs.... in ?
[04:11:22] <steleman> the only think it does is fork and exec and it runs the entire enchilada
[04:11:43] <steleman> (at least on linux)
[04:11:51] <Error_404> it doesn't run it in the browser window?
[04:11:57] <Error_404> it used to anyways...
[04:12:08] <steleman> according to this theory every single executable on a unix box is a "shell plugin"
[04:12:25] <Error_404> only on ksh93, apparantly
[04:12:34] <gisburn> and zsh
[04:12:39] <Error_404> "who needs apps when you have ksh ?"
[04:12:42] <gisburn> and ksh88, too
[04:12:46] <steleman> Error_404: <InspectorClouseau>Not Anymore</InspectorClouseau>
[04:17:10] <jlc> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Installation_HowTo#Amarok_on_Solaris_10
[04:17:28] <jlc> I was trying to install this, however on the section of Taglib
[04:17:51] <jlc> were it says to use ldd I don't have a taglib/.libs <--- no .libs
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[04:18:26] <jlc> wb laca
[04:18:33] <laca> hey jlc
[04:18:40] <jlc> been awhile :)
[04:19:55] <laca> then wb jlc (;
[04:20:10] <jlc> thx :)
[04:20:23] <jlc> Is there a jds 54
[04:20:34] <jlc> os if I'm running sxcr53, is that the latest
[04:21:19] <laca> there should be a jds 54 on dlc.sun.com
[04:21:24] <laca> we're building 55 now
[04:21:51] <laca> hmm... it's not there
[04:22:04] * laca will remind damienc tomorrow
[04:22:10] <jlc> thx
[04:22:22] <jlc> does building all the extras still work?
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[04:34:09] <jlc> dennis clark around
[04:35:22] <Error_404> i haven't seen him in days
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[04:36:04] <jlc> thx
[04:36:13] <jlc> xine/mplayer still use vol
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[04:47:14] <whaq> smuser doesn't work on b53..
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[04:54:34] <gisburn> alanc-away: ping!
[04:54:47] <gisburn> B51/SPARC - was OpenGL/GLX fixed there ?
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[04:55:11] <alanc> I think so
[04:55:49] <alanc> the bug for the failure to load the glx module in Xsun is listed as fixed in nv_50
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[04:56:06] <gisburn> alanc: ok... thanks! :-)
[04:56:14] <alanc-away> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6465198
[04:57:34] <gisburn> alanc-away: is Elite3D accerlated on SXCR51 ?
[04:57:42] <alanc-away> should be
[04:57:51] <gisburn> 3D ?
[04:57:58] <alanc-away> should be no different than it's been for years
[04:58:01] <gisburn> Quaaaaaaaaaaaakkkee ATTACK
[04:58:42] * gisburn prepares his Quake2 build
[04:58:46] <gisburn> dduvall: ping!
[05:02:48] <syphilis> how come bug numbers on tools-discuss putbacks are starting at really low numbers?
[05:02:56] <syphilis> "59 line > 80 characters doesn't work"
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[05:04:32] <delewis> Elite3D is really going to suck for textures, though.
[05:04:46] <delewis> Expert3D blows it away in that aspect, IIRC.
[05:04:58] <richlowe> syphilis: because b.o.o sucks, so we aren't using it.
[05:05:11] <richlowe> I wish steve would prefix 5 0's though, so comchk was happy ;)
[05:05:18] <syphilis> ah, ok
[05:05:31] <richlowe> he explained that after his first one (#49)
[05:05:40] <richlowe> should really have been a new thread, rather than a reply to a notification though.
[05:06:00] <syphilis> yeah, i'm just catching on my mail, i do it in reverse order
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[05:07:29] * richlowe really doesn't want to see the "why not bugtraq" argument, but also doesn't want to see bugs nobody outside Sun can do stuff to.
[05:08:38] <richlowe> a couple of things are filed in bugtraq, however.  I'm ignoring them, pro tem ;)
[05:09:20] <jlc> what can I put in front of rhythmbox to see why it wont start and leaves me a core in my $HOME
[05:10:19] <jlc> file core
[05:10:20] <jlc> core:           ELF 32-bit LSB core file 80386 Version 1, from 'gnome_segv2'
[05:10:32] <laca> pstack core
[05:11:14] <jlc> interesting, just what i thought
[05:11:34] <jlc> I would have no clue how to read that output.... ;)
[05:13:13] <jlc> up to 40s for pastebin to save....thats fast
[05:13:29] <syphilis> jlc: www.rafb.net/paste/
[05:13:38] <jlc> oh yeah
[05:14:07] <jlc> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/KCEnWX37.html
[05:14:14] <jlc> .880s thats faster, thx
[05:14:25] <jlc> if you like to read that kind of thing laca :P
[05:14:48] <laca> i love to (:
[05:14:53] <jlc> danka
[05:14:55] <jlc> :)
[05:15:06] <laca> try running fc-cache --force as root
[05:15:11] <jlc> is there anything that would tell a non-programmer like me what that means
[05:15:14] <jlc> k
[05:15:50] <laca> jlc: these are the names of the functions called by the program you were trying to run
[05:15:55] <laca> start reading from the bottom
[05:15:58] <jlc> building the cbe in the middle of that wouldn't have caused anything right
[05:16:15] <laca> jlc: no, shouldn't matter
[05:16:38] <jlc> i was trying to build something else earlier, doing unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH wouldn't hurt either right
[05:16:44] <jlc> it opened
[05:17:24] <jlc> so out of that error, how did you come up with fc-cache
[05:18:23] <jlc> fc-cache font stuff?
[05:18:38] <laca> the FcPattern* functions at top of the page tell me that it crashed in fontconfig code
[05:19:07] <laca> and that's often caused by cache files getting corrupted
[05:19:30] <jlc> did you say read from the bottom down or the top down?
[05:19:39] <jlc> like the top is were it probably crashed?
[05:19:59] <laca> yes, the top is where it crashed
[05:20:02] * jlc takes the like back, sounds *like* a teenage girl
[05:20:27] <jlc> thank you
[05:20:31] <laca> read it from the bottom to understand what this whole thing is
[05:20:38] <laca> it says _start
[05:20:39] <laca> and main
[05:20:43] <syphilis> where are the hg closed bins?
[05:21:09] <laca> main is the entry point of the program
[05:21:16] <jlc> oh, so the bottom is the start
[05:21:22] <jlc> sort of like the top.....
[05:21:23] <laca> yep
[05:21:24] <jlc> :)
[05:21:35] <jlc> I would expect the other way around
[05:22:02] <jlc> I read to many log files in websphere
[05:22:18] <laca> the difference is that this is not a log
[05:22:43] <laca> it's represents a single point of time
[05:22:48] <jlc> yeah, but when I'm looking at a terminal, for 10-12 hours a day it looks the same ;)
[05:23:33] <jlc> just got used to it I guess, now I know to use pstack and that the bottom is the start, the top probably has the error and then to ask laca how to fix such error
[05:24:14] <laca> (:
[05:24:21] <laca> anyway, it's getting late here, ttyt
[05:24:30] <jlc> later, thx again
[05:24:33] <laca> np
[05:24:36] * jlc was hoping for one last question...
[05:24:59] <jlc> extras, is there one large spec.tar to grab (:
[05:25:42] <laca> i don't think so,
[05:25:48] <laca> but you won't need most of those
[05:26:03] <laca> you don't need the SUNW*-manpages.tar.* files
[05:26:08] <laca> you can generate them yourself
[05:26:14] <jlc> hurm
[05:26:15] <laca> not sure why damienc uploaded them
[05:26:22] <jlc> I forgot how to build extras
[05:26:34] <jlc> damn i been away to long, i used to build everything every day
[05:26:38] <jlc> I think things changed
[05:26:45] <laca> eh... which extras are we talking about? (:
[05:26:52] <jlc> the ones with jds
[05:27:03] <jlc> or at least what used to be there
[05:27:05] <laca> spec-files-extra?
[05:27:22] <jlc> yeah
[05:27:32] <jlc> mplayer xchat nvu stuff like that
[05:27:55] <laca> ah, okay. look here: http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/
[05:28:10] <laca> i thought you were looking for the "extra tarballs"
[05:28:27] <laca> (the ones no longer available on the net)
[05:28:45] <jlc> thank you
[05:28:52] <laca> jlc: basically, you can get the spec files from svn now
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[05:29:22] <jlc> cool, I do rememeber getting them from svn the last time and was looking for the post
[05:29:53] <laca> okay, i'm really gone now (:
[05:30:00] <jlc> night, thx again
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[05:32:03] <gisburn> heh
[05:32:12] <gisburn> "army of darkness"
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[05:32:56] <gisburn> who said sun engineers don't have some humor... :-)
[05:33:25] <dlg> hme should tell you that someone has a sense of humour
[05:33:37] <gisburn> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6501806
[05:35:55] * gisburn is still ROTFL
[05:36:01] <gisburn> army
[05:36:02] <gisburn> of
[05:36:05] <gisburn> darkness
[05:36:18] <gisburn> who filed this ?
[05:37:09] <Error_404> heh
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[05:41:27] <Tpenta> gisburn: I kinda like the very old bug that had the workaround "don't pound on the keyboard like a rabid monkey"
[05:42:27] <gisburn> Tpenta: URL ?
[05:44:57] <Tpenta> cant find it anymore :(
[05:45:11] <Tpenta> ahhh, here it is; let me see if it is public
[05:46:08] <Tpenta> actually the one I wsa after was: "Don't pound on the mouse like a wild monkey (stress test)."
[05:46:23] <Tpenta> which was 4102680
[05:46:57] <Tpenta> 4256482 credits that bug for the literary style and has a workaround of "Don't bang on the keyboard like a wild monkey"
[05:47:12] <richlowe> and neither is visible.
[05:47:30] <Tpenta> they were cde bugs
[05:47:34] <richlowe> ah.
[05:47:41] <richlowe> saves me checking that I didn't break this again, though.
[05:48:16] <Tpenta> 4256482 Banging on keyboard during cde startup causes dtwm hang
[05:48:17] <Tpenta> 4102680 stress test gets an XError (BadDrawable) under 2.7 CDEVersion1.3_8
[05:48:46] <richlowe> I don't suppose 4256482 contains an explanation of how, or perhaps why, it was found? :)
[05:48:57] * dwc- looks around for s10u3
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[05:49:26] <Tpenta> During cde startup, repeated and rapid Help and <cntrl>Help key events during CDE login will hang CDE. Have to really wail on the keyboard, tentative occasional keystrokes will not encounter the difficulty.
[05:51:13] <gisburn> Tpenta: lemme guess... an university reported this bug ?
[05:51:47] <richlowe> After brief exprimentation I find that pressing ctrl+help is more likely to break my hand before software.
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[05:52:27] <gisburn> sounds like the bug which can kill a SunRay server by unplugging and replugging a sunray terminal to the network over and over again... after the 150-180 iternation the server runs out of swap
[05:52:35] <Tpenta> gisburn I actually dont know, but probably shouldnt coment even if I did
[05:54:39] <richlowe> I thought the official method was to xxxxx out pertinent information, but leave confidential stuff expsode? :)
[05:54:44] <richlowe> it's how our real interface operates...
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[05:54:54] <richlowe> 'exposed'
[05:56:25] <yusufg> Does Sol 10 11/06 support zfs on boot ?
[05:56:34] <Tpenta> no
[05:56:49] <Tpenta> nevada doesnt yet, there is no way that 10 would
[05:58:59] <richlowe> the easiest way to find out about that stuff would probably be to bug Tabriz about actually making use of the zfsboot project we +1'd so quickly.
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[06:25:21] * gisburn officially hates sun politics
[06:25:36] <timeless> heh
[06:29:52] * g4lt-U60 isn't to hot about earth politics either ;P
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[06:30:10] <heanol> macs
[06:30:23] <g4lt-U60> macintoys?
[06:30:38] <heanol> hehe, typo
[06:31:17] <boyd> I'm not sure that the macintoys epithet works when they are running *nix
[06:31:20] <boyd> vs windows
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[06:35:00] <boyd> Hmm... my mail client is now marking the rollup reports as junk
[06:35:24] <timeless> heh
[06:35:48] <boyd> .. and I didn't have to train it
[06:36:32] <g4lt-U60> boyd, in a solaris channel EVERYTHING that doesn't take up racks is a toy ;P
[06:36:55] <timeless> hey, xserves use racks
[06:36:58] <Error_404> boyd: apple is submitting osx 10.5 to the open group
[06:36:59] <boyd> g4lt-U60: What if I have an e450 under my desk? :)
[06:37:14] <boyd> Error_404: I know. That'll be nice
[06:37:21] <Error_404> yes, it'll be hilarious
[06:37:23] <g4lt-U60> boyd, well, I'd say you're typical around here
[06:37:28] <jamesd_> you have a large desk and plenty of warm air under it.
[06:37:29] <boyd> Then I won't need to be cautious about the * in *nix
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[06:39:50] * steleman posits that an Aston Martin Vanquish 250 is a better car overall than the H2 Hummer
[06:40:36] <gisburn> depends
[06:40:55] <gisburn> steleman: I think the van my sister has is a good compromise
[06:41:04] <steleman> gisburn: true. ExxonMobil would not agree with my theory.
[06:41:07] <gisburn> steleman: at least when you have three children... :-)
[06:41:38] <steleman> gisburn: still, it's not an H2
[06:41:43] * boyd was about to mention the topic to steleman, but then it sunk in.
[06:42:16] <boyd> Fewer people would find the Aston Martin offensive
[06:42:34] <gisburn> boyd: please stop complaining... this channel has so little traffic anyway that some offtopic discussions don't hurt...
[06:42:55] <gisburn> boyd: and if you complain I start my quiz series again... =:-)
[06:43:06] <boyd> gisburn: I'm not complaining. I was trying to work out where what seemed like the middle of a conversation came from.
[06:43:16] <boyd> There was a quiz series?
[06:43:27] <dwc-> wow, the s10u3 companion cd I think got a lot bigger
[06:43:32] <gisburn> boyd: ok...
[06:43:33] <dwc-> I thought it used to be a cd iso
[06:43:56] * boyd raises eyebrows. There's an s10u3 released now?
[06:44:12] <gisburn> boyd: ... I live in a lake, have a long neck on many photos but noone could provide a proof for my existance... what am I ?
[06:44:18] <steleman> boyd: yes fresh off the press
[06:44:43] * boyd gets DTA fired up
[06:44:54] * timeless doesn't see how loch ness monsters are on topic
[06:45:01] <dwc-> yes, but don't make my 6MB/s downloads slow down
[06:45:04] <mlh> dta?
[06:45:05] * gisburn kicks timeless
[06:45:07] <boyd> gisburn: An aquatic giraffe
[06:45:13] <gisburn> boyd: nah
[06:45:17] <gisburn> boyd: again...
[06:45:21] <mlh> everybody stop until I finish please
[06:45:22] <boyd> mlh: Down them all (ff plugin)
[06:45:25] <boyd> lol
[06:45:27] <mlh> oh yeah
[06:45:33] <steleman> i'll give you a topic (i am Verklempt): can i boot of zfs or no? Discuss.
[06:45:34] <mlh> does anyone use the sun download manager?
[06:45:48] <gisburn> steleman: you can't.
[06:45:49] <boyd> steleman: No.
[06:45:50] <timeless> steleman: if you can follow some hacker's directions
[06:46:00] <boyd> mlh: I have... but it's interface is lame
[06:46:03] <dwc-> mlh: I use wget
[06:46:08] * steleman cannot believe i was taken seriously
[06:46:20] <boyd> steleman: hehe... we're suckers
[06:46:22] <gisburn> Ok...
[06:46:31] <boyd> ... so hungry for on-topic :)
[06:46:44] <mlh> dwc-: yah me too, depending.  right now I'm just using POFF
[06:46:51] <syphilis> when is studio going to replace vim with xemacs + viper?
[06:46:53] <mlh> (plain old firefox)
[06:46:56] <gisburn> ... white my fur, I don't make "purr", live high in the mountains and may be an ape. What am I ?
[06:47:07] <dwc-> what's wrong with vim?
[06:47:40] <boyd> syphilis: Sometime between tomorrow and never.
[06:48:04] <boyd> gisburn: Abominable snowman? Are these really as easy as they seem?
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[06:48:31] * mlh gets a sense of deja-vu
[06:48:43] <mlh> haven't we been here before with the snowman thing?
[06:49:18] <timeless> gisburn said we had been here before
[06:49:22] <timeless> but i wasn't here then
[06:49:38] <boyd> # uname -a
[06:49:39] <boyd> SunOS romeo 5.9 Generic_112233-10 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-15000
[06:49:39] <boyd> # psrinfo | wc -l; prtconf | sed -n 2p
[06:49:39] <boyd>       57
[06:49:40] <boyd> Memory size: 108544 Megabytes
[06:49:41] <boyd> Now, if I only had something to run on it
[06:50:38] <heanol> i tried to install sxcr for the first time a few days ago
[06:50:47] <heanol> ended up with a broken machine :(
[06:50:54] <heanol> not that i blame sxcr..
[06:50:57] <heanol> just a coincidence
[06:50:58] <heanol> :P
[06:51:34] * steleman wonders how many CPU's juliet has
[06:52:45] <syphilis> boyd: how do you end up with an f15k and nothing to run on it?  (i have a multithreaded program i'd like to test ;-)
[06:53:06] <gisburn> boyd: can I get an account, please ?
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[06:53:27] <jamesd_> would be happy with a domain, or even just a zone on it.
[06:53:30] <boyd> It's being used for a class, but nothing to run till tomorrow.
[06:53:46] <dwc-> a class?
[06:53:50] <dwc-> what sort of class?
[06:53:59] <boyd> 15k administration
[06:54:12] <gisburn> acccouuuunnnnttt
[06:54:21] <gisburn> boyd: which SXCR version does it run ?
[06:54:28] * gisburn beggs for an account.
[06:54:34] <syphilis> i don't think 5.9 is SX:CR
[06:54:41] <steleman> gisburn: the Solaris 9 one ;-)
[06:54:42] <boyd> Correct :(
[06:54:46] <gisburn> ;-(
[06:54:49] <gisburn> anyway...
[06:54:58] <gisburn> ... acccountt want have want now
[06:55:09] <gisburn> boyd: purrrrrrrr
[06:55:11] <gisburn> :-)
[06:55:24] <boyd> I don't think it's worth by job :(
[06:55:28] <boyd> my
[06:55:29] <gisburn> boyd: purrrrrrrr
[06:55:40] <gisburn> boyd: ?!
[06:55:44] <dwc-> where do you work boyd?
[06:55:53] <boyd> Contract to Sun edu
[06:58:41] * dwc- sends gisburn for the forklift and the freight car
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[06:58:41] <boyd> It's in Munich I think.. better for gisburn
[06:58:41] * timeless frowns
[06:58:41] <timeless> could someone here explain what a "next major version" looks like in gnome?
[06:58:41] <syphilis> looks like?
[06:58:41] <steleman> timeless: different set of core dumps
[06:58:41] <timeless> well, consider http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364902
[06:58:57] <timeless> oh, nm
[06:59:01] * timeless needs 2.18
[06:59:02] <dwc-> probably 2.15
[06:59:09] <timeless> that's useless
[06:59:12] <dwc-> or whatever 2.$((current+1)) is
[06:59:14] * timeless kicks gnome.org
[06:59:27] <g4lt-U60> next major version, that'd be colonel ;P
[06:59:42] <dwc-> major version, colonel panic?
[06:59:52] <razrX> lol
[06:59:57] <timeless> better than kernel klink?
[07:00:44] * timeless sighs
[07:00:57] <timeless> i upgraded to snv_53 to get a better gnome so i could verify bugs
[07:01:02] <timeless> but this gnome isn't better enough
[07:01:31] <Auralis> it is gnome, nuff said
[07:07:00] <boyd> Does anyone know if I could take the CPU from an 400Mhz U5 and use it to upgrade a 300MHz U10?
[07:07:20] <dlg> should be able to
[07:07:21] <jamesd_> boyd, its the same motherboard so i don't see why not
[07:07:24] <timeless> so i don't get any points for kernel klink?
[07:07:25] <dlg> theyre basically the same machine
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[07:07:29] <dlg> just ones flatter
[07:07:42] <steleman> timeless: i enjoyed your pun silently :-)
[07:07:52] <boyd> I didn't know if there was an oscillator to change or something
[07:08:32] <timeless> oh right
[07:08:33] <boyd> maybe a jumper
[07:08:54] <timeless> if a zone is using an older system, will anything panic if i try to boot it on a newer kernel?
[07:10:49] <boyd> sparse root?
[07:11:18] <timeless> ?
[07:13:01] <boyd> is it a sparse root zone?
[07:13:21] <timeless> um, dunno?
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[07:13:41] * timeless carefully dons a "cluess zone newbie hat"
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[07:18:51] <boyd> Sorry abou tthe lag... real life conversation
[07:19:33] <boyd> does the zone have "inherit-pkg-dir" entries for /usr /lib /platform & /sbin" ?
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[07:21:37] <timeless> no
[07:23:31] <boyd> Then your libc and kernel may be out of sync, and the zone may not work. It's not easy to say without trying it.
[07:23:45] <timeless> i can boot the zone
[07:23:57] <timeless> i just can't get sshd up :(
[07:24:08] <timeless> because syseventd doesn't come up
[07:24:13] <timeless> which iirc was some complaint about doors
[07:24:20] <timeless> but i can't remember where i saw that
[07:27:04] <timeless> ok, supposing it's out of sync, how would i do something about it?
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[07:27:13] <Tpenta> update it
[07:27:28] <timeless> apt-get distupgrade or what?
[07:29:45] <Tpenta> now we are starting to get into the area of the zones experts. What kind of system are you running and what rev kernel? How did you get the kernel bits up to their current rev without the user space ones?
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[07:39:11] <timeless> sorry, manager around
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[07:43:09] <Triskelios> omg wine works
[07:43:13] <Triskelios> http://trisk.acm.jhu.edu/suh-weet.png
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[07:45:54] <sol_user> hey
[07:46:04] <sol_user> anyone using skype on solaris ?
[07:46:13] <dlg> how do i see how much memory a machine has within solaris?
[07:46:18] <syphilis> prtconf
[07:46:43] <sol_user> is it possible with lxrun ?
[07:46:53] <Tpenta> skype works in brandZ
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[07:47:03] <syphilis> lxrun is kind of obsolete and useless
[07:47:07] <sol_user> what`s brandZ ?
[07:47:20] <sol_user> ya.. i tried working with lxrun no luck there
[07:47:33] <sol_user> I have never tried brandz ..
[07:47:36] <Tpenta> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/
[07:48:10] <sol_user> Oh... ok i will look into that
[07:48:34] <timeless> at this point i really don't remember when i installed nexenta
[07:48:37] <timeless> probably snv_43
[07:48:48] <sol_user> Tpenta: u are using that ?
[07:49:04] <timeless> but it broke during snv_49
[07:49:18] <timeless> not at the beginning, later when something panic'd while my zone was running
[07:49:36] <sol_user> also Tpenta its says that its been integrated into solaris.. is it available in Solaris 10 ?
[07:49:47] <sol_user> i use solaris 10 on an X86
[07:49:48] <Tpenta> no
[07:49:53] <sol_user> Oh.ok
[07:51:20] <sol_user> where do i download it from ?
[07:51:37] <sol_user> can i use pkg-get ?
[07:51:48] <Error_404> for brandz?
[07:51:54] <sol_user> ya..
[07:51:57] <Error_404> no.... no you can't....
[07:52:00] <sol_user> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/downloads/
[07:52:01] <mustang> cle -
[07:52:46] <sol_user> i use solaris on an x86 which one should i download
[07:53:13] <sol_user> i want to use skype with it
[07:53:41] <sol_user> Error_404: which one should i download
[07:53:57] <Error_404> download any recent version of solaris express & brandz is included
[07:54:27] <sol_user> Ah.. that would take a week to download
[07:54:33] <sol_user> i am on a limit here..
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[07:54:43] <timeless> download it elsewhere and burn a dvd
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[07:55:12] <sol_user> oh.. thats not very easy as well.. not many people have dvd writers here
[07:55:18] <timeless> bring your own
[07:55:23] <timeless> or burn cds
[07:55:25] <timeless> it doesn't matter
[07:55:32] <timeless> you just need a good sneakernet
[07:55:44] <timeless> cdr, mmc, usbkey, ...
[07:55:51] <sol_user> i have a cd writer but i only have night free downloads
[07:56:03] <sol_user> also i don`t know how to burn a cd in solaris
[07:56:24] <sol_user> i right click on the iso image and say write to disc it says check ur setup
[07:56:34] <timeless> heh
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[07:56:42] <sol_user> i  have a cd writer though
[07:56:52] <sol_user> how to configure it ?
[07:56:57] <sol_user> smc ?
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[07:57:15] <timeless> it's only relevant if you're going to copy the data from a second computer w/ better bandwidth
[07:57:56] <sol_user> i have only one computer.. I am still a student
[07:58:10] <sol_user> so. I can only afford one..
[07:58:15] <timeless> most universities have good bandwidth
[07:58:22] <timeless> schools tend to too
[07:58:42] <sol_user> I live in India.. and my univ don`t allow downloads
[07:58:51] <dlg> if i was sun i woudl try to get stuff hosted on a research network
[07:59:08] <sol_user> anyway i am downloading  http://dlc.sun.com/osol/brandz/downloads/brandz-closed-bins-b43.i386.tar.bz2
[07:59:10] <timeless> dlg: you mean the downloads?
[07:59:14] <dlg> yeah
[07:59:17] <sol_user> i just hope it works
[07:59:20] <timeless> sol: you don't want that
[07:59:21] <Error_404> sol_user: that will be very useless to you
[07:59:22] <dlg> cos we pay for commercial traffic
[07:59:26] <sol_user> why ?
[07:59:27] <timeless> just get a standard sxcr
[07:59:48] <Error_404> you can't just *install* brandz
[07:59:49] <timeless> dlg: i downloaded it to a third party and slurped from there
[07:59:52] <dlg> its cheaper for me to dl new solaris at home and bring it in, than to do it here
[08:00:00] <timeless> heh
[08:00:11] <sol_user> Error_404: what shold i download then ?
[08:00:37] <timeless> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b53-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try
[08:00:47] <timeless> assuming you want intel
[08:00:47] <Error_404> solaris express.
[08:00:51] <Error_404> is the only way you can do it
[08:01:10] <sol_user> Oh.. i can`t afford that
[08:01:13] <sol_user> as well
[08:01:14] <timeless> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b53-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try would be CDs
[08:01:28] <timeless> afford? it's just data
[08:01:43] <sol_user> Oh.. i though i have to buy that
[08:01:47] <Error_404> yes, there's nothing to afford
[08:01:59] <timeless> error: technically if he pays for bandwidth :)
[08:02:00] <sol_user> heh
[08:02:12] <timeless> e.g. downloading over gprs in canada
[08:02:25] <timeless> at 0.02 $ per kilobyte :)
[08:02:42] <Error_404> timeless: you're going to download solaris express on your cellphone?
[08:02:49] <sol_user> I can only download at night
[08:02:50] <timeless> if i want to run up a bill?
[08:02:56] <timeless> why not? :)
[08:03:01] <timeless> but no, i'd never do that, too slow
[08:03:15] <sol_user> so a cd iso every night for 4 iso`s 4 nights
[08:03:26] <timeless> i thought it was 5
[08:03:35] <timeless> not that i paid any attn
[08:03:36] <sol_user> i need to talk to my cousins in the Us tonight
[08:03:43] <sol_user> ok.. 5 nights then
[08:03:53] <timeless> it's 6
[08:03:56] <timeless> but who's counting
[08:03:59] <sol_user> great !
[08:04:45] <timeless> hrm, only 1 is big, the rest are <300m mostly (one's about 400m)
[08:05:04] <sol_user> so u guys are saying solaris express is the only way i can get skype working ?
[08:05:19] <timeless> qemu? :)
[08:05:27] <timeless> buy a nokia 770?
[08:05:32] <timeless> </blatant-add>
[08:05:33] <sol_user> I have used that before..
[08:05:34] <timeless> </blatant-ad>
[08:05:44] <timeless> so much for my spelling
[08:06:39] * timeless doesn't really understand why people use skype :)
[08:06:54] <sol_user> for talking
[08:07:01] <timeless> 'course, my employer pays for my cell phone :)
[08:07:10] <tonu> free phone, good messenger
[08:07:15] <tonu> I use it for latter
[08:07:24] <timeless> irc/google talk are good messengers
[08:07:27] <boyd> To replace the price gouging by telcos with standards gouging by one provider?
[08:07:30] <timeless> as for free phone, see above :)
[08:07:35] <sol_user> http://perfcap.blogspot.com/2006/11/skype-on-solaris.html
[08:08:14] <Error_404> timeless: i don't see the point of skype either
[08:11:54] <sol_user> i tried installing mplayer
[08:12:06] <sol_user> it need some libgl packages
[08:12:48] <sol_user> opengl i guess.. i googled around still could not find  a package for solaris 10 .. anyone uses mplayer ?
[08:13:01] <timeless> solaris10 is covered by #solaris afaik
[08:13:15] <Tpenta> sol_user, there is an mplayer package at blastwave
[08:13:32] <boyd> Tpenta: I'm not 100% but I think your blog on b53 and 54 has /var/tmp instead of /var/run in the chmod command
[08:13:42] <Tpenta> opos lemme check
[08:14:03] <sol_user> i installed each package on myown before i found out about blastwave and pkg-get now i try it says mplayer already installed
[08:14:12] <Tpenta> in one place
[08:14:23] <sol_user> though when i run ./mplayer it asks for libgl
[08:14:32] <boyd> Tpenta: Yeah, only one
[08:14:44] <sol_user> i installed 10 dependencies this one i am not able to find
[08:14:53] <Tpenta> which is bad becaus ethat was a cut/paste frmo an email i sent out
[08:15:02] <boyd> Ouch :)
[08:15:31] * boyd heads home while wget fetches s10u3
[08:15:37] <boyd> Maybe back later all
[08:15:52] <sol_user> timeless: people at #solaris don`t respond at all
[08:16:16] <sol_user> guys at #opensolaris only helped me get my lan card , sound card and stuff working
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[08:16:30] <sol_user> so i prefer hanging out here..
[08:16:59] <Tpenta> fixed
[08:17:40] <sol_user> Tpenta: do u know how to configure a cd-writer ?
[08:17:55] <Tpenta> what do you mean configure? cdrw and cdrecord just work
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[08:18:09] <sol_user> i right click on the iso image and say write to disc it says check ur setup
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[08:18:31] <Tpenta> ahhh, that woudl be a jds issue, I use command line. i have no idea how jds does it
[08:18:48] <sol_user> oh..
[08:19:13] <sol_user> I saw cdrw and cdrecord
[08:19:21] <Tpenta> try using cdrw from the cmd line
[08:19:24] <sol_user> i`ll check the manpage and tey
[08:19:47] <sol_user> like this
[08:19:48] * timeless used the dvd burning tool which claims to support cds
[08:19:59] <sol_user> cdrw belenix0.5.1.iso
[08:20:04] <timeless> there are plenty of examples, and they seem to just work
[08:20:41] <Tpenta> or cdrecord:
[08:20:42] <Tpenta> cdrecord -scanbus
[08:20:42] <Tpenta> cdrecord -dao dev=1,0,1 file.iso   (where 1,0,0 is what you determined from teh scanbus)
[08:20:54] <sol_user> i don`t have cdrecord
[08:20:56] <timeless> We are in the process of consolidating our databases to provide you with a better, more streamlined experience. In order to do so, you will need to create a Screen Name. You will be able to use this Screen Name to post messages in Developer Forums instead of using your Sun Online Account ID. Please enter a screen name in the box below. Your screen name can contain 3-30 alphanumeric characters (A-Z, a-z, 0-9) and "-" (dash), "_", (underscore), "@"
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[08:20:59] <sol_user> only cdrw
[08:21:00] * timeless grumbles
[08:21:16] <Tpenta> then try cdrw
[08:21:19] <timeless> so i can't use sdn?
[08:21:36] <Tpenta> wtf is sdn?
[08:21:41] <timeless> http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:ssdfCnlPwQQJ:forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa%3FthreadID%3D105477%26messageID%3D359052+cdrw+solaris+burn&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&client=firefox-a
[08:21:48] <Tpenta> ahhh 2 conversations
[08:21:59] <Tpenta> cdrw file.iso
[08:22:04] <timeless> sun developer network?
[08:22:41] <Tpenta> yea
[08:22:43] <gisburn> Slave Destruction Network
[08:22:48] <Tpenta> though there was a -i in there somewhere
[08:22:58] <timeless> google works nicely
[08:23:11] <Tpenta> so does man cdrw
[08:23:14] <timeless> nah
[08:23:26] <timeless> that requires you to install man pages
[08:23:35] <sol_user> i have to erase before writing i gues
[08:23:44] <sol_user> cdrw -b all
[08:23:45] <Tpenta> seriousl;y, I think that not installing them is a false economy
[08:24:18] <timeless> i don't usually choose not to install them
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[08:24:21] <sol_user> anyhelp on mplayer Tpenta
[08:24:23] <timeless> i often don't have proper man paths
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[08:24:44] <gisburn> Tpenta: I think installing anything except FULL INSTALL+OEM SUPPORT is false ferengi economy
[08:24:49] <Tpenta> sol_user, try removing the mplayer package and then pkg-getting it again, or perhaps upgradig it?
[08:24:52] <sol_user> just 2 more doubts mplayer and skype
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[08:25:02] <sol_user> Tpenta: ok will do that
[08:25:12] <sol_user> how do i remove it ?
[08:25:20] <sol_user> pkg-get -e
[08:25:53] <Tpenta> pkgrm CSWmplayer
[08:25:58] <sol_user> ok
[08:28:53] <sol_user> thanks
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[08:31:41] <timeless> hrm, Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), is another process using it?
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[08:32:29] * timeless wonders what a lock file from oct 17 was doing :(
[08:33:00] <Error_404> locking things
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[08:33:28] <timeless> s/^/b/
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[08:37:25] <timeless> hrm
[08:37:49] <timeless> i wonder if i accidentally pulled in a piece of nexenta alpha6 which was based on snv_50
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[08:46:40] <timeless> ok, hrm...
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[08:53:17] <timeless> i guess there's something called privsnz
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[08:58:59] <ofu> ah, sol10u3 is out, fine
[08:59:14] <Error_404> aww, and sun just mailed me a copy of U2
[08:59:23] <timeless> heh
[09:00:23] <gisburn> Error_404: forward the email to opensolaris-discuss@ as revenge.
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[09:00:41] <gisburn> mailman will have it's "fun" with that thing.
[09:00:59] <Error_404> i meant they physically mailed me a copy of sol10u2
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[09:01:07] <Error_404> like, the postal service
[09:01:12] <Error_404> & some physical dvd's
[09:01:47] <gisburn> Error_404: % cat /dev/cdrom | bzip2 -9 | uuencode | mailx opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot gov
[09:02:36] <trygvis> how do I find which process that's listening on an ip?
[09:02:41] <trygvis> err, ip+port
[09:02:49] <gisburn> trygvis: use lsof
[09:03:00] <jamesd_> hmmm opensolaris.gov ... what will the conspiracy writers say
[09:03:23] <gisburn> jamesd_: they're still busy with roswell.
[09:03:44] <gisburn> jamesd_: so they won't care.
[09:03:53] <gisburn> jamesd_: unless you link opensolaris with roswell.
[09:04:08] <Error_404> well it is SOLaris after all
[09:04:17] <Error_404> as in, "aliens hiding behind the sun so we can't see them"
[09:04:22] <jamesd_> i'm sure they will
[09:04:26] <gisburn> Who was "aris" ?
[09:04:29] <Error_404> *nod* coincidence, i think not
[09:04:51] <trygvis> gisburn: don't have it
[09:05:12] <Error_404> john schwartz is just a martian cleverly disguised with a ponytail
[09:05:22] <g4lt-U60> gisburn, Aristotle aOnassis, the guy who was REALLY behind JFK's deqath, then married his widow ;P
[09:06:47] <gisburn> ARItrocativ Society for the destruction of mankind
[09:07:05] <gisburn> er
[09:07:09] <gisburn> spelling
[09:07:10] <gisburn> gone
[09:07:18] <gisburn> timeless: please spellcheck.
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[09:10:02] <timeless> aristrocratic?
[09:10:20] <gisburn> yep
[09:10:23] <timeless> aristocratic?
[09:10:26] <timeless> sorry
[09:10:39] * timeless shouldn't have trusted any letter gisburn wrote
[09:10:41] <gisburn> So SOL and ARIS are the main enemies of mankind.
[09:10:54] <gisburn> bad bad bad
[09:11:08] * timeless tries to reember how to ask truss to list full strings
[09:11:15] <gisburn> (ok, bad joke, but these things are on buget these days)
[09:11:26] <gisburn> timeless: truss -u :: # ?
[09:12:04] <timeless> a it too verbose :)
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[09:18:18] <kim0> I'm a newbie coming from the Linux land. I've been reading, but cant get the difference between Nexenta & Belenix ?! (Are they both Gnu/openSolaris) ?
[09:18:32] <jamesd_> kim0, no
[09:19:11] <jamesd_> kim0, belenix is opensolaris did by a sun employee in india,  it has some gnu software but not apt-get for software management
[09:19:59] <kim0> ok cool
[09:20:22] <McBofh> kim0: whereas nexenta is gnu userland with an OpenSolaris kernel
[09:20:33] <McBofh> (broad generalisation, but mostly correct)
[09:20:48] <kim0> when u say belenix has some Gnu, what is the rest ?
[09:21:03] <kim0> Sun software ?
[09:21:14] <McBofh> yeah
[09:21:20] <McBofh> just what you'd get from Solaris Express
[09:21:45] <kim0> so belenix is SXCR+some-gnu
[09:21:54] <McBofh> yes, that sums it up
[09:22:28] <timeless> tpenta?
[09:22:29] <kim0> for nexenta, technically a user doesnt interact with the kernel, right! Does this mean, as a Linux old hand I could just use Nexenta and not feel a difference?
[09:22:34] <timeless> i think i probably did something like:
[09:22:35] <McBofh> kinda
[09:22:36] <timeless> http://blogs.sun.com/nilsn/entry/installing_a_debian_zone_with
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[09:22:42] <timeless> in order to install nexenta
[09:22:47] <timeless> because i remember creating a dummy tar
[09:22:54] <timeless> no clue if i documented my steps
[09:23:01] <McBofh> kim0: for any unix-derivative, you won't as a user interact directly with the kernel
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[09:23:24] <McBofh> kim0: are you seeking a path-of-least-resistance investigation?
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[09:23:39] <kim0> I guess, at first somehow
[09:23:42] * McBofh nods
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[09:24:01] <McBofh> kim0: so what is your motivation?
[09:24:11] <kim0> But Nexenta wont have Sun commands (svcs & such ?)
[09:24:24] <McBofh> kim0: I don't actually know
[09:24:29] <McBofh> I run SX builds
[09:24:36] <kim0> cool ...
[09:24:44] <kim0> I forget about belenix ..
[09:24:45] <kim0> it
[09:25:00] <kim0> 's either Nexneta (easy), or SXCR (original) for me :)
[09:25:16] <McBofh> so what aspects of OpenSolaris are you interested in?
[09:26:08] <kim0> Well, I'm an RHCE consultant in the middle-east, I spent so many years with Linux. I want to learn about Solaris though because I might be doing work involving both soon
[09:26:26] <McBofh> you probably want to go with SX or Solaris 10 then
[09:26:31] <Auralis> in that case, stick with the original
[09:26:34] <kim0> yes ..
[09:26:35] <McBofh> if you're going to be doing commercial work
[09:26:54] <kim0> Just read somewhere, Solaris 10 update 3 is out, is this SXCR 54
[09:26:58] <kim0> 53 I mean
[09:26:59] <McBofh> no
[09:27:10] <g4lt-U60> in fact, if you're going to do commercial, go with sol10
[09:27:11] <kim0> That's the commercial one
[09:27:12] <McBofh> snv_53 is the current SX build. S10u3 is an update release of Solaris 10
[09:27:27] <jamesd_> solaris 3 update 3 is the official stable version...
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[09:27:37] <timeless> 3? :)
[09:27:37] <jamesd_> er 10 update 3
[09:27:43] <kim0> can I get this one for free too ?
[09:27:46] <jamesd_> yes
[09:27:52] <jamesd_> sun.com
[09:27:56] <kim0> ok, I wanna go with stable
[09:27:58] <Error_404> sun will even send you dvd's for free
[09:27:59] <timeless> unless your time or bandwidth costs money :)
[09:28:14] <timeless> error_404: just in time for 10u4? :)
[09:28:27] <kim0> heh, DVDs for free like ubuntu. Sun must be desperate ;)
[09:28:38] * McBofh ducks out for a bit
[09:28:51] <Auralis> no, the free DVds are 10u2, basicaly storage cleaning of older stuff
[09:28:53] <g4lt-U60> kim0, no, just a large shipping budget
[09:29:02] <kim0> can 10U3 live happily under Xen guest under fedora
[09:29:03] <Error_404> kim0: actually i think it was just because U3 was coming out and they had a box of old u2 dvd sets to get rid of
[09:29:33] * kim0 hopes for a yes answer
[09:30:34] <kim0> I'm sure I read opensolaris is Xen compatible somewhere?!
[09:31:03] <Error_404> *shrug* i've never bothered to try
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[09:32:09] <gisburn> Error_404: uhm...
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[09:32:29] * Error_404 rolls eyes
[09:33:08] <kim0> Is there any guide to dual boot with Linux/Windows ? (configure Grub and such) ?
[09:33:21] <Auralis> tons
[09:33:30] <Auralis> www.sun.com/bigadmin has lots of stuff
[09:33:48] <kim0> okkie looks fine enough :)
[09:34:35] * kim0 is thinking about blowing Suse10.2 & putting solaris... emmmm
[09:34:50] <Auralis> make sure your hardware is suported in some way
[09:35:47] <kim0> I visited the HCL, they dont have my laptop model, but there are some Toshiba Satellites there
[09:35:54] <Auralis> ok
[09:36:30] <kim0> having to register to download sux ... this alone would drive many Linux lunatics away!
[09:37:10] <Auralis> its a general register with sun, a one time thing
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[09:40:26] <Error_404> or use belenix
[09:40:34] <Error_404> / nexenta
[09:40:43] <Error_404> if the registration thing really scares you away
[09:41:35] <kim0> nah ... thanks doing it
[09:42:56] <jamesd_> i'm sure red hat doesn't want you to register, it just scans the information off your large check...
[09:43:24] <timeless> oh!
[09:43:35] <timeless> tpenta: i seem to recall setting up a fairly elabortate dummy.tar :)
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[09:44:23] <kim0> jamesd_: fedora
[09:45:22] <jamesd_> kim0, if you want to use second rate software then use  belenix or nexenta and don't  register its all the same if you want the official you must register whether its  red hat or solaris
[09:45:45] <kim0> jamesd_: Centos (beat that)
[09:46:03] <kim0> It's the GPL magic unbeliever ;)
[09:46:14] <Error_404> why is this even an issue?
[09:46:23] <jamesd_> takes my official beating stick out and points out that  centos isn't officially supported by a publicly traded company
[09:46:38] <Error_404> sun has copyrighted code & other docs in solaris express, so they ask you to register for it
[09:46:49] <Error_404> that's their perogative
[09:47:00] <Error_404> if you don't like it, you can use one of the non-sun distros
[09:47:34] <kim0> that's all fine & dandy ... I just think that's not the way to make  many fans. Not that that's really important to me now. I just registered anyway
[09:47:51] <jamesd_> or buy a  sun ultra 20 its  $795  cheaper than redhat and sun won't ask you to register
[09:48:03] <Error_404> "users" aren't "customers", or "contributors"
[09:48:18] <Error_404> so who cares what the average user thinks, they really contribute nothing to the project
[09:48:39] <kim0> users are future contributers ... "who cares what the average user think" what an attitude?!
[09:48:48] <kim0> And what's with the non full CDs :) funny
[09:49:01] <Auralis> those are ziped isos
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[09:49:32] <Error_404> I'm a jerk, and I in no way represent Sun...
[09:49:35] <kim0> zipping brought CD3 to 268MB, weirdo
[09:49:38] <Error_404> just my opinion
[09:49:47] <kim0> np man
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[09:50:51] <Error_404> It's more an issue of "people who complain about free stuff annoy me"
[09:51:32] <Error_404> if you contribute code or pay for something, you earn the right to complain... before then, you don't
[09:52:47] <kim0> well, for fedora I do (I admin fedora's servers and contribute bug reports). Give me a good solaris community & I will, gimme "I dont care about you" and I wont touch any solar system again :)
[09:54:15] <Error_404> and that's why i don't work for sun :D
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[09:54:26] <timeless> oh
[09:54:28] <timeless> tpenta?
[09:54:35] <timeless> it seems that i still have 0.sh
[09:55:19] <timeless> tpenta: http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki/Nexenta_Zones_under_opensolaris
[09:55:38] <timeless> i might have made some minor modificiations, but that's definitely my starting point
[09:56:36] <ofu> T2000 will have e1000g-Interfaces on sol10u3? what a wonderful idea
[09:57:22] <Tpenta> sorry timeless, my wife was on the machinen and I was downstairs with my daughter
[09:59:10] <Tpenta> jim0: with regard to registration. Think of it this way. If A copany as large as Sun does not honour it's commitments to privacy, the press they would cop would do incredible damage
[09:59:31] <Error_404> plus you can always fill the form with garbage
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[09:59:55] <Auralis> i can say that sun never send me anything i didn't asked for, not once in like 10 years
[10:00:04] <kim0> 10 years .. w0w
[10:00:20] <Tpenta> I work for Sun and even *I* do not get stuff I have not asked for becuase of those external registrations
[10:00:52] <jamesd_> yes solaris existed before linux was out of the womb
[10:01:05] <Tpenta> the click thru download is there because we have restrictions on export that if we do not have them we could lose our license to export outside of the US, which is something we do not want to have happen
[10:01:12] <Error_404> jamesd_: someone should've had an abortion...
[10:01:46] <jamesd_> Error_404, what choice was there, back then solaris wasn't free and barely ran on x86
[10:01:50] <Tpenta> be nice guys, there is a place and use fror allcomers in the OS world
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[10:03:49] <McBofh> kim0: I too have been registered with Sun (one way or another) for > 10 years ... I've never received anything from Sun that I didn't ask for
[10:05:35] <Triskelios> I'm still of the opinion that it gives a bad first impression to new users though
[10:05:42] <McBofh> Triskelios: why?
[10:06:21] <Error_404> there just needs to be a distro that approximates SX as closely as possible i think
[10:06:24] <jamesd_> hmm  6 million users seem to have gotten over it
[10:06:24] <McBofh> Triskelios: is that from the "with linux I don't have to care about commercial considerations like US Export laws or US+EU Privacy regulations" ?
[10:06:35] <Error_404> (minus the sparc graphics drivers, etc)
[10:07:23] <ShadowHntr> Error_404: there's OpenSolaris... :)
[10:08:02] <Error_404> opensolaris isn't a distro
[10:08:38] <Error_404> i think i recall schillix being what i'm describing
[10:08:46] <Error_404> but it hasn't been updated in months
[10:08:57] <ShadowHntr> Nexenta is available for x86
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[10:10:28] <Triskelios> McBofh: it's the "I don't know if I should trust this company that seems to want my personal information in exchange for use of their software"
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[10:10:42] <Tpenta> Nexenta doesnt stand to lose billions of dollars if they have their export license revoked
[10:11:00] <McBofh> Triskelios: I don't accept that for a moment
[10:11:05] <ShadowHntr> Tpenta: are they exporting technologies into embargoed areas?
[10:11:12] <McBofh> ShadowHntr: not if they can help it
[10:11:13] <Tpenta> Triskelios: like I said think about how a company like sun would get crucified in the press if they tried to abuse personal data
[10:11:22] <ShadowHntr> what are we talking about
[10:11:26] <ShadowHntr> EU privacy protections?
[10:11:39] <McBofh> ShadowHntr: the "you must register to download Solaris" anti-mem
[10:11:39] <McBofh> e
[10:11:42] <ShadowHntr> ahhhh.
[10:11:51] <Tpenta> ShadowHntr: the point is that Sun has to do their own due diligence into ensuring that their stuff does not go where it should not. The US government agrees that what we are doing is appropriate
[10:11:55] <Tpenta> for us
[10:12:04] <ShadowHntr> Tpenta: i agree with the practice, personally.
[10:13:46] <Tpenta> I generally find that folks who ask the question about whether or not they should trust sun with that information don't take the time to actually answer the question
[10:14:04] <McBofh> and yet they're generally quite willing to trust other organisations with the same info
[10:14:10] <ShadowHntr> exactly.
[10:14:24] <Error_404> Tpenta: why is sed in closed bins?
[10:14:45] <ShadowHntr> Tpenta: you know Alan DuBoff?
[10:15:01] <Tpenta> generally we can't answer those kind of questions as many of the contracts forbid us answering them
[10:15:06] <Tpenta> not personally, but we have communicated
[10:15:11] <Error_404> fair enough
[10:15:12] <Triskelios> McBofh: I think this generalisation is false. many people would usually resort to bugmenot for this kind of thing
[10:15:15] <ShadowHntr> he's active on the solarisx86 mailing list
[10:15:16] <ShadowHntr> :)
[10:15:39] <McBofh> Triskelios: that's your opinion, and I respect that. I also disagree with it, totally
[10:18:52] <Tpenta> hopefully the export controls will disappear from the crypto stuff soon and I hope that might be sufficient to do something about the logging in, but I'm not sure whether there may be other restrictions requiring that
[10:19:47] <Triskelios> most people I've talked hate this perceived barrier, and this is in no way specific to Sun, the same situation exists with other "respectable" companies and similar practices (think half of major news sites). it might be better if it were clear that the information was intended to satisfy crypto regulations rather than marketing
[10:20:13] <Doc> right. so blame the US government
[10:20:14] <Triskelios> (although sun accounts are tracked by some marketing company I forget the name of...)
[10:22:07] <Error_404> if the "no redistribution" clause were removed you could just mirror it somewhere where it wouldn't be a problem
[10:22:38] <Error_404> but may not be desirable for other reasons
[10:22:54] <Tpenta> that would be *why* the redistribution clause is in there. We can still be pinged under that act if someone  takes our stuff and then forwards it to an embargoed country
[10:23:03] <Doc> yes, and sun could kiss goodbye to it's export license
[10:23:19] <Tpenta> and then you could kiss goodbye to sun
[10:23:41] <McBofh> Tpenta: but that's what all the "sun is evil because Java isn't gpl'd" zealots want ...
[10:23:46] <McBofh> oh wait .. Java *is* GPLd
[10:23:51] <Error_404> silly US foreign policy
[10:23:57] * McBofh disappears in a puff of out-of-dateness
[10:26:14] * Tpenta leaves to pick upboy from cubs
[10:26:38] <Tpenta> umm to fetch *his* boy from cubs (that line could be so taken out of context)
[10:26:51] <LeftWing> Haha.
[10:26:54] <Cyrille> we should set up a sunisevilwatch.org site to keep track of the latest alleged source of Sun's evilness (is that a word? maybe evilitude, or evility...)
[10:27:06] <Error_404> i'm telling you
[10:27:11] <Error_404> schwartz is a martian
[10:27:20] <Error_404> in league with roswell
[10:27:26] * McBofh snorts @ tpenta
[10:27:29] * Tpenta needed to clarify that statement especially in the light of http://www.skynews.com.au/story.asp?id=143746
[10:27:30] <Doc> mainly we're evil because we dare to have an OS other than Linux
[10:27:36] <McBofh> Tpenta: yeah, you sure do
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[10:28:03] <Tpenta> as a parent, that story scares me silly
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[10:30:23] <Doc> hmm.. you'd almost think we were out of tv ratings period
[10:32:08] <McBofh> Doc: I think this should be standard SSE equipment http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1160510662305.jpg
[10:32:11] <LeftWing> It's looking a bit that way, Doc.
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[10:33:12] <Doc> mcbofh: i'll bring the asparin
[10:33:21] <McBofh> :)
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[10:34:12] <timeless> tpenta: no problem
[10:35:25] <Error_404> McBofh: nice rack
[10:35:35] <Posixzombie> I remember that I saw once (but I don't remeber where) that there is some method which copyies to/from user space (like copin()/copout()  or ddi_copin()/ddi_copyout()
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[10:35:53] <Posixzombie> which results in panic under some circumstances
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[10:36:15] <Posixzombie> but only on SPARC ; in x86 there is no panic
[10:36:29] <Posixzombie> this is when the arguments are uncorrect
[10:36:40] <Posixzombie> any idea what is this method ?
[10:36:49] <Posixzombie> I can't locate where I found ot
[10:36:53] <Posixzombie> s/ot/it
[10:36:58] <Doc> why would you want such a think?
[10:37:03] <Doc> thing  even
[10:37:19] <Posixzombie> Doc:  remeber I saw it somewhere
[10:38:01] <Posixzombie> Doc: "Writing Device Drivers" says: "use ddi_copyin(9F) or ddi_copyout(9F) can result in panics under two conditions.Apanic occurs if"
[10:38:07] <Posixzombie> the architecture separates the kernel and user address spaces, or if the user address has been swapped
[10:38:11] <Posixzombie> out.
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[10:47:54] <Berny> yeehaa 10MB/s downloead from sdlc... new record for me :-)
[10:48:09] <Auralis> thats sick man
[10:48:32] <Doc> and i'm getting a lowly 200kb/s from nana
[10:50:07] <asyd> anyone know how to bind directory server only to localhost ?
[10:50:08] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:53:02] <Tpenta> doc, what are you downloading?
[10:53:10] <Tpenta> I could probably cut whatever it is for you tomorrow
[10:53:37] <Griffous> Berny, is that a home net connection?
[10:54:03] <Berny> Griffous: i would wish so! but no office @university
[10:54:06] <McBofh> hi raph_ael
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[10:54:28] <Berny> at home i'm a proud runner of a 56kbps modem 8-\
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[10:54:54] <raph_ael> hi  McBofh
[10:55:26] <Griffous> oh, ouch
[10:56:04] <Griffous> after years of 256kb, I finally have around 5Mb at home, but it's only 40GB per month
[10:56:23] <Berny> yeah our fabulous telco thinks there is no need for dsl where i live
[10:56:53] <Berny> they have fibre into the block, but only provide dialin connections :-\
[10:57:17] <Griffous> do they bother with data caps in .de? or is that just something for monolopilistic telcos like ours?
[10:57:32] <Berny> dunno
[10:57:46] <smellyfish> hi all
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[10:58:21] <xushi> I've just heard today that solaris 10 was released, but i remember downloading last week a sol-10-u2-ga-sparc-dvd. Is there a difference ?
[10:58:31] <Doc> yes
[10:58:37] <Tpenta> update 3 is out
[10:58:39] <Berny> xushi: they release u3
[10:58:47] <xushi> is this they're talking about u3 ?
[10:58:59] <Error_404> yes
[10:59:09] <Tpenta> this will be sol-10-u3-ga-sparc-dvd
[10:59:19] * LeftWing thrusts and heads to the DLC.
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[10:59:43] <xushi> last question, is it worth downloading all of u3 if i just downloaded u2 ?
[10:59:48] <xushi> and thanks for the support =)
[10:59:49] <Berny> download complete :-)
[10:59:59] <xushi> lucky you, <-- restricted download
[11:00:03] <Doc> xushi: blogs.sun.com/doc - go read what's changed and decide for yourself
[11:00:10] <xushi> ta
[11:00:21] <Berny> now the companion dvd will take some time... transfer rate down to 400kB/s :-\
[11:01:04] <Berny> doc does u3 support removal of devices from a storage pool?
[11:01:19] <jamesd_> no
[11:01:26] <cmihai> Hm... svn_53 is pretty crashy :(
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[11:01:34] <Tpenta> no. look at it this way, nevada gets things before the released version. If it's not in nevada, it wont be in 10
[11:01:38] <Tpenta> cmihai: ???
[11:01:54] <cmihai> Tpenta: some Java stuff, the web start version of sdm doesn't work.
[11:02:03] <Berny> Tpenta: this is in nevada?!
[11:02:05] <Tpenta> ahhh. i dont do a lot of java
[11:02:12] <xushi> it would be so much easier if they provided official torrents.. i spent a week downloading u2 to get different md5 hashes
[11:02:15] <Doc> tpenta: unless someone decides to break the rules. again.
[11:02:27] <cmihai> Well, that, and the desktop switcher for gnome is all black for some reason.
[11:02:34] <Tpenta> berny, not yet
[11:02:57] <Tpenta> xushi, we just went through a discussion about why Sun have to do the click thru licensing etc
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[11:03:03] <Tpenta> we like keeping our export license
[11:03:27] <Berny> hmm Tpenta since at least b49 zpool lists the remove option?!
[11:03:38] <xushi> i don't mind keeping the click thru licensing.. but in the end instead of downloading 5 compressed large images, stick in 5 torrents ;)
[11:03:44] <Error_404> quite aside from that... i find torrents to be painfully slow
[11:03:48] <Tpenta> hmmm news to me, i thought that was still being worked on
[11:03:58] <Error_404> what up
[11:04:09] <Error_404> err... wrong window
[11:04:20] <Error_404> Berny: you can remove mirrors
[11:04:51] <Berny> Error_404: that would have been enough for me when i accidently added some devices under 10u2 ;-)
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[11:05:13] <Error_404> no, i mean you can only remove half a mirror
[11:05:14] <ofu> sol10u3 uses java for jumpstart-setups? scary...
[11:05:15] <Tpenta>      zpool remove pool vdev
[11:05:16] <Tpenta>          Removes the given  vdev  from  the  pool.  This  command
[11:05:16] <Tpenta>          currently  only  supports  removing  hot spares. Devices
[11:05:16] <Tpenta>          which are part of a mirror  can  be  removed  using  the
[11:05:16] <Tpenta>          "zpool detach" command. Raidz and top-level vdevs cannot
[11:05:16] <Tpenta>          be removed from a pool.
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[11:06:02] <Berny> hmm well since this option didnt exist on the s10 box i didn't read further 8-)
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[11:06:13] <Tpenta> :-D
[11:06:16] <lloy0076> Bah! I had to test something in IE and turn on my Windows box. However, I forgot that the only power cord I had left was the one to my beer fridge and now I have warm beer.
[11:06:19] * lloy0076 flop
[11:06:45] <McBofh> lloy0076: shame on you!
[11:07:10] <lloy0076> McBofh: Exactly - I was panicking because I thought the fridge had carked it on me.
[11:07:32] <Doc> yet another disadvantage of running IE - warm beer!
[11:07:39] * Tpenta really has to put a homebrew on so he has beer for new years
[11:07:50] <Tpenta> bloody M$ ;)
[11:09:09] <McBofh> Tpenta: did you see http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=214
[11:09:14] <McBofh> Tpenta: it looks very familiar :)
[11:09:56] <Doc> tpenta: dont suppose you have a copy of s10u3 in gordon?
[11:10:09] <Tpenta> lemme check the jumpstart server
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[11:10:15] <Doc> i want ISO
[11:10:17] <Berny> btw does anyone know what changes b53 brought for the x server? it seems that xine isn't working any more... a quick truss looks like xine querys the xserver for some information and then goes into sleep mode
[11:10:30] <Tpenta> I could probably have one there by tomorrow morning
[11:10:37] <Doc> nah.. i'm download now
[11:10:58] <Doc> just thought if you had one it might be a bit quicker
[11:11:21] <Tpenta> actually, I should get the b54 sparc iso so i can upgrade the hom u60
[11:11:26] <silk> wasting your quota doc?
[11:11:26] <Tpenta> home u60 that is
[11:11:33] <Tpenta> quota?
[11:11:51] <cmihai> Berny: iirc 6.9-> 7.1?
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[11:11:53] <silk> I assumed he was downloading it his house, not into the office
[11:11:57] <Doc> silk: download to work, not home
[11:12:01] <Tpenta> this is what /share/scratch is for :)
[11:12:13] <Doc> i live about 4 minutes from the office - i dont download much like that to home :)
[11:12:20] <silk> heh
[11:12:24] <Doc> tpenta: or docbert:/data01
[11:12:31] <Tpenta> :)
[11:12:44] <Berny> cmihai: are there any issues known in this regard?
[11:13:18] <Tpenta> I have th b54 x86 iso if you want it doc
[11:13:29] <Doc> plus my backup of it is almost finished - which is good given that i sorta blew away all my old backups yesterday
[11:14:16] <Doc> can i migrate a RAID-Z to RAID-Z2 without a reinstall/copy/etc ?
[11:14:30] <Doc> given that I'm using known faulty disks, double parity would probably be a good thing
[11:15:26] <Doc> actually, it looks like i'm using a mirror.. oh well
[11:15:33] <McBofh> Doc: if your disks are known to be faulty, why are you keeping them around at all?
[11:15:46] <Doc> mcbofh: because they were free
[11:16:05] <Doc> "known faulty" in terms of "bad batch with a very excessive failure rate"
[11:16:21] <Doc> until they fail there's nothing wrong with them :)
[11:16:43] <Berny> there's only one sure thing about hard disks: they will fail :-)
[11:16:53] <Doc> these will fail much more quickly :)
[11:17:16] <Berny> drop them on a hard floor and get them replaced *duck*
[11:17:33] <McBofh> Doc: fc cheetah3?
[11:17:40] <Doc> nah
[11:17:56] <Doc> berny: the deal i made to stop the getting turned into landfill was that that would never happen
[11:17:57] * McBofh hopes they're not from an ssa or a3500 ...
[11:18:07] <Doc> 73Gb SCSI, so no :)
[11:18:22] <Berny> doc fair enough
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[11:19:02] <Berny> btw now that u3 is out... can i update s10ga to u3 using live update if i have non-global zones?
[11:19:09] <McBofh> Doc: phew!
[11:20:11] <Doc> berny: no.
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[11:20:20] <Berny> bugger
[11:20:43] <Doc> ok, so now i'm getting unrecoverable read errors for a virtual CD drive.. how the tell does that work?
[11:20:44] <qdk> what Solaris CD is the "Java Enterprise" CD? I have used the first 5 CDs.
[11:21:16] <quasi> qdk: the invisible cd 6 perhaps? ;)
[11:21:30] <qdk> quasi: perhaps.
[11:22:11] <qdk> I tried lang, companion and the complete DVD and no luck with anyone of them.
[11:22:41] <Berny> the java enterprise stuff is on a different set of cds :-)
[11:22:57] <Berny> called "java enterprise system" :-)
[11:23:22] <Cyrille> that's a bit misleading ;-)
[11:23:38] <qdk> a bit?
[11:30:10] <qdk> what called on the also misleading sun download page?
[11:30:22] <qdk> whats it*
[11:31:13] <Doc> sun.com/jes
[11:32:08] <Doc> or even just  sun.com/software/
[11:32:33] * timeless wonders how to load a filesystem.squashfs
[11:33:47] <kim0> can 10U3 read/write to Linux LVM ?
[11:33:58] <qdk> Doc: thanks.
[11:34:19] <Berny> Doc: what about patch 121428-0[123] and 120235-01 the live upgrade zones support patches?
[11:34:28] <quasi> kim0: no
[11:34:44] * timeless chuckles
[11:34:55] * timeless got an add for minix3 from sourceforge
[11:36:03] <xushi> I noticed the companion dvd for both sparc and x86 have the same name and size. Are they the same dvd ?
[11:36:37] <tomww> xushi: are there two directories, x86 and sparc?
[11:36:46] <tomww> (on the companion cd)
[11:36:57] <xushi> tomww: good point, let me mount it
[11:37:34] <kim0> do I need to burn the whole 6 CDs to install?
[11:37:41] <xushi> Solaris_i386  Solaris_sparc  Source
[11:37:46] <xushi> You're right
[11:38:53] <Tpenta> doc: did you want the iso to b54 x86 (before i remove it) ?
[11:39:02] <Doc> nope. thanks
[11:39:07] <Tpenta> ok
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[11:43:26] <timeless> is it possible for me to tell a zone to reread its xml file?
[11:43:49] <quasi> timeless: reboot it
[11:44:00] <timeless> quasi: i'd like to avoid doing that if possible
[11:44:09] <timeless> my zone has a 20% success rating for boots
[11:44:12] <quasi> timeless: what did you change?
[11:44:20] <timeless> a fs mount
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[11:44:53] <quasi> then no, you have to reboot or fix the mount manually
[11:45:34] <timeless> how would i fix the mount manually? :)
[11:45:56] <timeless> oh cute
[11:46:00] * timeless sees the current mount
[11:46:25] <quasi> you'd do it in the global zone
[11:46:30] * timeless nods
[11:48:22] <timeless> cool, that was painless
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[11:56:38] <Berny> hmm doc you sure i cannot lu with local zones? i have SUNWluzone (from the patches) which seems to enable lu of a zone?
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[12:31:38] <timeless> .query #timeless
[12:31:41] <timeless> oops
[12:33:33] <lloy0076> Did you get the right answer though?
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[12:47:30] <edwardocallaghan> Hi guys
[12:47:39] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone got a Ultra 10 ?
[12:48:10] <nightswim> Ultra 5
[12:48:48] <LeftWing> I have three Ultra 5s, and an empty shell of an Ultra 10...
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[12:52:13] <lasseoe> U10 yep
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[12:57:21] <edwardocallaghan> Hi
[12:57:24] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry
[12:57:29] <edwardocallaghan> You still there?
[12:58:26] <edwardocallaghan> If you don't have a keyboard plugged in do you get out put to the screen?
[12:58:45] <edwardocallaghan> Or does it go to ttyS0 ?
[12:59:32] <Berny> goes to serial console
[12:59:48] <lasseoe> serial port A
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[13:04:21] <edwardocallaghan> Do anyone know a workaround ?
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[13:05:04] <bengtf> of ?
[13:05:11] <edwardocallaghan> I probley put a USB hub in there and plug in in a USB keyboard :p
[13:05:36] <lasseoe> i think you need a Sun keyboard
[13:06:05] <edwardocallaghan> There's no workaround ?
[13:06:10] <lasseoe> hmm.. can anyone hook me up with a beta test invite for JES 5 ?
[13:06:12] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: u10s dont have usb
[13:06:19] <edwardocallaghan> I don't have one in this house
[13:06:20] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: can you get into the os on the machine?
[13:06:23] <lasseoe> I ignored the one I got months ago :(
[13:06:44] <bengtf> edwardocallaghan: I just installed b53 on an u10
[13:07:00] <quasi> lasseoe: if it is anything like cluster, you'll get another chance
[13:07:03] <bengtf> used serial port to boot and install
[13:07:05] <edwardocallaghan> I was going to put a USB pci hum on it
[13:07:20] <quasi> lasseoe: or maybe write that guy who does all the beta mailings
[13:07:21] <lasseoe> quasi: messaging, cal, access manager and the likes
[13:07:30] <edwardocallaghan> *hub
[13:07:36] <lasseoe> hmm.. yes could do, good thinking :)
[13:07:41] <edwardocallaghan> Any workarounds?
[13:08:11] <lasseoe> except, I don't have his address anymore
[13:08:12] <edwardocallaghan> Do I need a 13W3 ?
[13:08:34] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: can you get into the os on it?
[13:08:40] <quasi> lasseoe: one sec - I think I do if it is the same as for the solaris and cluster betas
[13:09:01] <edwardocallaghan> No ! Nothing at boot time
[13:09:08] <lasseoe> quasi: not sure, I think it changes
[13:09:11] <edwardocallaghan> I do't have any null modems here
[13:10:09] <bengtf> edwardocallaghan: I use samsung flatscreens with an adapter which works pretty well with SOG ...
[13:10:42] <edwardocallaghan> Yes but you have a Sun keyboard right?
[13:11:04] <bengtf> yep, sort of
[13:11:48] <edwardocallaghan> ?
[13:11:51] <bengtf> I have a blade100 without a sun usb kbd, use regular pc usb kbd, only thing missing is stop-a
[13:12:08] <dlg> bengtf: i have that problem too
[13:12:15] <dlg> apparently you can use break or something to get the same effect
[13:12:16] <bengtf> need to use the serial port , to break the boot
[13:12:31] <bengtf> configurable I guess
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[13:12:45] <edwardocallaghan> So what am I doing about this box then?
[13:13:16] <dlg> buy some cables
[13:13:23] <bengtf> so if you can find a usb pci that works for it do that , but install using serial port ;)
[13:13:33] <bengtf> safest way
[13:13:52] <bengtf> null modem cables are cheap
[13:14:08] <edwardocallaghan> I am not trying to bloody install?!
[13:14:11] <dlg> i dunno if ofw on the u10s are smart enough to grok usb
[13:14:50] <LeftWing> I'm roughly 100% certain they aren't.
[13:14:51] <edwardocallaghan> I am trying to turn it on without a Sun keyboard, you should listen to the question
[13:14:56] <bengtf> edwardocallaghan: which version of the system is installed ?
[13:15:08] <edwardocallaghan> sol10
[13:15:13] <bengtf> ah, got in late
[13:15:36] <edwardocallaghan> I got care about the OS at the moment
[13:15:37] * McBofh sleeps
[13:15:45] <edwardocallaghan> Where is POST
[13:15:52] <bengtf> install pci card for usb mood idea actually
[13:16:01] <bengtf> good/
[13:16:26] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks but will it solved the problem ?
[13:17:05] <dlg> does the u10 have a jumper to reset ofw values?
[13:17:20] <edwardocallaghan> Does OpenBoot see it with the keyboard there?
[13:17:27] <bengtf> not sure ..., it will not detect keyb on start, but you need to force it to use graphics
[13:17:34] <edwardocallaghan> dig: Don't know
[13:17:56] <bengtf> openboot of late version might detect usb ...., check with blade100 obp
[13:17:57] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and how mite one do that?
[13:18:22] <lasseoe> I very much doubt U10 OBPs have USB support
[13:18:29] <lasseoe> it hasn't been updated in years
[13:18:51] <bengtf> hmm, can one lock solaris to use keyboard an
[13:18:57] <bengtf> oops
[13:19:35] <tomww> re
[13:19:48] <bengtf> can one setup so that solaris will use usb ....? try by setting in an pci-usb card, and keyboard
[13:21:52] <edwardocallaghan> http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5104869
[13:22:01] <edwardocallaghan> No
[13:22:17] <edwardocallaghan> "not sure ..., it will not detect keyb on start, but you need to force it to use graphics"
[13:22:31] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and how mite one do that?
[13:22:39] <edwardocallaghan> Are you awake ?
[13:23:15] <bengtf> its after lunch here ;)
[13:23:41] <bengtf> trying to find my spare pci-usb card to try it ;)
[13:24:40] <edwardocallaghan> OK
[13:24:43] <bengtf> should be able to do it according to that thread ..
[13:25:27] <edwardocallaghan> For the moment how do I get something out the VGA?
[13:25:41] <edwardocallaghan> I don't even know if the system is really ok
[13:25:48] <edwardocallaghan> I just got it off ebay
[13:26:03] <bengtf> it should blink and say using serial port instead ...
[13:26:10] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: pull the upa card out
[13:26:19] <dlg> it should fall back nicely to the vga card
[13:26:24] <bengtf> yep
[13:26:29] <edwardocallaghan> k
[13:28:06] <edwardocallaghan> What card?
[13:28:25] <dlg> the big long one in the middle of the chassis
[13:28:32] <dlg> it has the 13w3 connector on it
[13:28:35] <dlg> and its not pci
[13:28:35] <edwardocallaghan> There's no pci cards in there at the moment
[13:29:44] <edwardocallaghan> no there is no creator 3D card though
[13:30:00] <dlg> well
[13:30:08] <dlg> if its not going to the vga output, then id say its going to serial
[13:30:08] <lasseoe> I thought you said you had a 13W3 port
[13:30:23] <lasseoe> if it does, then there's a frambuffer of sorts
[13:30:31] <edwardocallaghan> No, I said "Do I need a 13W3"
[13:30:52] <lasseoe> why would you need that if there's no 13w3 port? :)
[13:31:33] <edwardocallaghan> If it's a way to get VGA out with no keyboard
[13:31:49] <lasseoe> that can't be done
[13:32:01] <lasseoe> If there is no keyvoard plugged in, it sends the console to serial port A
[13:32:22] <lasseoe> if there's a keyboard plugged in, it goesto the builtin VGA card unless another card has been installed and configured
[13:32:29] <bengtf> yeah, but it will give a short message on the vga saying using serial
[13:32:29] <edwardocallaghan> So, what's the work around, is there a pin that cn be crossed ?
[13:32:54] <lasseoe> bengtf, not that I recall, just a black screen
[13:32:59] <edwardocallaghan> No I don't get that
[13:33:26] <bengtf> hmm, then it is the blade100 , I installed both yesterday at the same time
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[13:33:57] <Vanuatoo> is anyone using gaim?
[13:34:04] <edwardocallaghan> Yes
[13:34:28] <lasseoe> edward: haven't followed the entire discussion - do you not get anything on the serial console ?
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[13:34:58] <Vanuatoo> edwardocallaghan: If I select buddy in my buddy list and click View Log in the context menu gaim crashes, can you confirm?
[13:35:02] <edwardocallaghan> I don't have a null modem
[13:35:06] <edwardocallaghan> *here
[13:35:15] <lasseoe> right, then you need to get one, or a Snu keyboard
[13:35:18] <lasseoe> Sun
[13:35:38] <edwardocallaghan> No does not do it for me Vanuatoo
[13:35:39] <Vanuatoo> Can anyone from 185 ppl confirm that? :)
[13:35:53] <lasseoe> nah I don't use Solaris as a desktop
[13:36:03] <Vanuatoo> edwardocallaghan: what build do you have?
[13:36:08] <Vanuatoo> and what platform?
[13:36:13] <edwardocallaghan> Fedora Core here
[13:36:16] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[13:36:19] <Vanuatoo> lool
[13:36:21] <Vanuatoo> looooooooooooool
[13:36:31] <edwardocallaghan> But I don't recommend it
[13:36:34] <Vanuatoo> edwardocallaghan: really? :)
[13:36:39] <edwardocallaghan> Yes
[13:36:51] <Vanuatoo> I was expecting answer from solaris user
[13:37:12] <edwardocallaghan> I don't use it as a Desktop so much for fun
[13:37:15] <edwardocallaghan> Only work
[13:37:33] <edwardocallaghan> I don't have gray hair you know
[13:37:39] <Vanuatoo> I think it's natural to assume that on opensolaris channel when I talk about some problem it's meant to be exist on opensolaris
[13:38:04] <edwardocallaghan> www.sabayonlinux.org/ Is a nice distro
[13:38:17] <edwardocallaghan> True
[13:39:02] <calumb> Vanuatoo: doesn't crash for me, but I don't have logging turned on...
[13:39:35] <calumb> (snv_53, vermillion_54)
[13:39:55] <Vanuatoo> calumb: Could you please turn loggin on and check that?
[13:40:22] <Vanuatoo> I've got solaris expresss 11/06 (build 50, gnome 2.14)
[13:40:27] <calumb> Vanuatoo: I could, but none of my buddies are online right now so I'm not going to have anything in them...
[13:40:32] * calumb tries anyway
[13:41:00] <Vanuatoo> You could turn show offline buddies
[13:41:06] <Vanuatoo> and try on one of them
[13:41:23] <calumb> Vanuatoo: ok, tried that... still no crash, just get a "No logs found" alert...
[13:41:40] <calumb> (I'm on SPARC, btw...)
[13:41:56] <edwardocallaghan> I wan't to use my new SPARC
[13:41:59] <edwardocallaghan> ...
[13:42:00] <Vanuatoo> calumb: Yes, it does not crash on empty log
[13:42:01] <asyd> boyd: around ?
[13:42:18] <edwardocallaghan> Yea boyd maybe asleep
[13:42:41] <edwardocallaghan> Or it in the evening anyway
[13:43:23] <asyd> ok, just wondering if he made something for a zsh "community"
[13:43:26] <edwardocallaghan> This is a pain
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[13:44:49] <bengtf> edwardocallaghan: does it beep when you press poweron button ?
[13:45:01] <edwardocallaghan> Has ANYONE /// yes
[13:45:12] <bengtf> then its not dead ..
[13:45:27] <edwardocallaghan> lol a green light and a beep
[13:45:34] <edwardocallaghan> Just in time for xmas
[13:45:51] <edwardocallaghan> I'll put it on top of the tree
[13:45:55] <bengtf> does the disk make sounds like after a minute ir so
[13:47:29] <edwardocallaghan> I did not hear X loading
[13:47:38] <edwardocallaghan> 1sec I'll give it a try
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[13:48:55] <edwardocallaghan> Infact no beep !
[13:50:17] <edwardocallaghan> Although the disk is working
[13:54:16] <edwardocallaghan> OK fixed it
[13:54:20] <edwardocallaghan> RAM was out
[13:54:22] <donofrioatwork> so does anyone have a nice desktop solaris that has all codex's and such to allow a grandma to do her daily activites?
[13:54:42] <edwardocallaghan> Now it says can't find input device using ttyS0 as normal
[13:55:28] <edwardocallaghan> No I use Linux for that sort of thing donofrioatwor =-O
[13:55:59] <donofrioatwork> hehehe just had to ask, was hopeing for sure use this link....what distro edward
[13:56:11] <edwardocallaghan> Right now the workaround for the keyboard
[13:56:32] <edwardocallaghan> www.sabayonlinux.org/
[13:56:45] <edwardocallaghan> Gentoo is under the hood
[13:57:36] <edwardocallaghan> If it just has to be Unix though, PC-BSD is nice for new comers to computers
[13:57:44] <donofrioatwork> (does that mean it takes days to portage the updates to be compiled or does gentoo finnaly utilize distgcc to use all gentoo sysytems as compile cluster?)
[13:59:15] <edwardocallaghan> yes/no
[13:59:28] <edwardocallaghan> Do you want binary only distro?
[13:59:50] <edwardocallaghan> PC-BSD look over there if your into your Unix
[14:00:23] <edwardocallaghan> Updates only take a long time for the first time
[14:00:58] <edwardocallaghan> Then your portage is has filled Gentoo
[14:01:09] <edwardocallaghan> Just like BSD
[14:01:41] <edwardocallaghan> Has anyone tried the USB keyboard on the Ultra 10 yet?
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[14:07:34] <lloy0076> Anyone know of a fix for this:
[14:07:49] <lloy0076> :: /opt/bin/php: error: `/opt/bin/.libs/php' does not exist
[14:07:49] <lloy0076> This script is just a wrapper for php.
[14:08:38] <ofu> what do i need to try ldoms?
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[14:19:54] <lasseoe> ofu: an UltraSPARC T1 cpu
[14:20:16] <edwardocallaghan> I want one too
[14:20:42] <hile_> I'm not so keen on them after seeing my employer's evals
[14:21:09] <edwardocallaghan> Why?
[14:21:32] <hile_> they had issues, even with orrible on it.
[14:21:43] <hile_> if i were just goin to use it as a hosting box with a fuckton of zones, I might use it
[14:21:50] <hile_> or for a SRSS server
[14:22:11] <edwardocallaghan> What issues ?
[14:24:42] <hile_> i didn't do the eval; i just skimmed the ticket on it, but lots of IO bottlenecking issues were the DBA guys' main complaints.
[14:26:14] <edwardocallaghan> Really ?
[14:26:31] <edwardocallaghan> I thought they use SAS disks
[14:27:09] <hile_> uh, they do.
[14:27:28] <trygvis> what did they compare it against?
[14:27:44] <hile_> the 6800 that was currently doing the job :)
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[14:29:47] <lasseoe> two local SAS disks are no match for a SAN :)
[14:30:00] <edwardocallaghan> I compare Xeons with kettles that are controlled with a Z80
[14:30:09] <ofu> lasseoe: i got SunOS caleb 5.10 Generic_118833-33 sun4v sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-T200 with 6.1.12-firmware
[14:30:35] <lasseoe> ofu: good for you
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[14:37:58] <edwardocallaghan> lasseoe: do you run a mirror service :o
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[14:39:24] <ofu> edwardocallaghan: mirror for update3-isos?
[14:40:08] <hile_> that would violate the licence agreement
[14:40:47] <edwardocallaghan> No
[14:40:56] <lasseoe> mirror of what? but in any case, no
[14:40:57] <edwardocallaghan> He was talking about IO
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[14:41:10] <quasi> the 11/06 download was pretty quick - but for some reason the companion is taking forever
[14:41:26] <lasseoe> *nod*
[14:41:44] <lasseoe> Just ordered an X2100M2
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[14:42:21] * quasi has 33 x2200M2s in the office next door
[14:42:37] <edwardocallaghan> You cheeky man, would not mind one of them minks in my rack
[14:47:39] <lasseoe> quasi: any issues with them?
[14:49:37] <quasi> lasseoe: not apart from the lom stuff being a bit shaky
[14:50:22] <lasseoe> oh great
[14:50:28] <edwardocallaghan> If you where a PCI USB hub card, where would you be?
[14:50:35] <quasi> lasseoe: but the web console works most of the time - although restarting the lom usually works
[14:50:42] <donofrioatwork> lspci
[14:50:46] <quasi> lasseoe: nothing that can't be worked remotely
[14:50:49] <lasseoe> quasi: I don't want to use the webconsole though, it sucks
[14:50:58] <quasi> lasseoe: it isn't that bad
[14:50:59] <lasseoe> quasi: good good
[14:51:04] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[14:51:05] <lasseoe> quasi: yes it is :)
[14:51:16] <quasi> lasseoe: and seems to work better than the console over ipmi
[14:51:37] <lasseoe> quasi: hm that's a real shame, bI honestly don't think the web console is worth anything ona unix box
[14:52:14] <lasseoe> ssh access is all that I want.
[14:52:23] <edwardocallaghan> Is it possible to modify a old PC keyboard to be used on a Ultra 10?
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[14:53:49] <axisys> where do i find whats added on 11/06 since 6/06/
[14:53:54] <jteo> re.
[14:53:55] <asyd> on docs.sun.com
[14:54:16] <jteo> axisys: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0547/6mgbdbsmb?a=view
[14:54:17] <axisys> asyd: i will looking for a quick brief version
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[14:54:42] <jteo> axisys: http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=777
[14:55:06] <axisys> jteo: thnx
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[14:55:49] <axisys> jteo: i had been waiting for hot spares on raidz ..cool!!
[14:57:54] <jteo> axisys: :)
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[14:59:19] <carbon60> Morning all.
[14:59:46] <carbon60> I'm about to do my first Solaris install intended for mild production use after tinkering with it for a few months.
[15:00:06] <carbon60> I'm now wondering what folks normally do in order to have a server setup without thr whole 4G of packages?
[15:01:22] <lasseoe> jumpstart and only install what you need
[15:01:57] <jteo> carbon60: is this due to a lack of disk space, or just a general need for .."lack of cruft"?
[15:02:06] <carbon60> The latter.
[15:02:21] <carbon60> Coming from Debian/Linux, I'm not used to having so much
[15:03:18] <jteo> lasseoe: do jumpstart profiles resolve dependencies now, or you still have to pick a "cluster"?
[15:03:49] <lasseoe> jteo: same old, just before it installs it'll warn you if there are dependency problems
[15:03:54] <lasseoe> a bit late in the process though :)
[15:04:08] <carbon60> you guys normally just do a full install?
[15:04:15] <lasseoe> carbon60: yes
[15:04:18] <jteo> carbon60: from my limited experience: yes.
[15:04:19] <AbeFroman> everything except staroffice
[15:04:23] <jteo> it's much too painful otherwise
[15:04:33] <carbon60> Huh.
[15:05:08] <lasseoe> I deselect staroffice, app sever, mlib and opengl
[15:05:17] <jteo> I remember doing a core install. My feeling of smugness lasted all of about 5 minutes before I realised I needed to manually resolve dependencies to add new stuff.
[15:05:18] <lasseoe> the rest I manually remove if there's a need
[15:05:58] <lasseoe> oh and all that gnome shite gets canned as well
[15:06:25] <edwardocallaghan> It's seems that the Ultra10 has a mini DIN-8
[15:06:35] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone know of a site with a pin out?
[15:06:42] <carbon60> Seems like a lot of work.
[15:06:43] <lasseoe> edward: google
[15:06:44] <jteo> carbon60: Caiman (the new installer architecture) is supposed to fix this messy situation, but it's not here yet.
[15:07:33] <rydis> There are converters (istr a company called Black Box), but a type 5 is a better keyboard than most PC keyboards you'll find anywhere.
[15:10:05] <edwardocallaghan> I am googling ! What do you think I have been doing over the last 2h
[15:10:38] <hile_> whinging and complaining?
[15:12:28] <lasseoe> hile: i think he means besides that :)
[15:12:55] <jteo> my magic 8 ball is reslivering. I'll let you guys know when it's done.
[15:14:30] <edwardocallaghan> Can't believe no one has tried to modify a standard PC keyboard to work?
[15:14:41] <lasseoe> why not? they are crap and a waste of time
[15:15:06] <edwardocallaghan> Because I don't have a sun one here
[15:15:09] <jteo> i've always had the impression the IBM Model Ms were pretty good
[15:15:11] <edwardocallaghan> And they are cheap
[15:15:29] <hile_> then use a serial console :)
[15:15:30] <lasseoe> I find it hard to believe that type 5 keyboards are expensive these days :)
[15:15:39] <edwardocallaghan> Don't use SGI ones :p
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[15:16:16] <edwardocallaghan> They are to people who buy Ultra 10's off ebay these days...
[15:16:23] <rydis> jteo: I agree they are.
[15:17:04] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to get more shut eye
[15:17:07] <edwardocallaghan> Be back
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[15:17:15] <lasseoe> don't hurry.
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[15:31:17] <Berny_> argh
[15:31:24] <Berny_> stupid
[15:32:37] <onbot> commit by Prabahar Jeyaram:  6498206 Workaround for 4678671 in mkfs to support XMIT 2.1 controller
[15:32:37] <onbot> commit by daemon:  Added tag onnv_55 for changeset a641ae5fae4e7835bb0e02d51537d20100f9bfb7
[15:33:29] <Berny_> two network sockets (in the same room) patch on two different switches... trunking working but gives them funny messages about vlans being flapped 8-)
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[15:38:00] <axisys>  what otherway to check md5 besides using digest -a md5 file? digest seems to take a long time
[15:38:25] <axisys> i could not find a md5sum pkg in CSW
[15:39:32] <hile_> sum(1)
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[15:41:28] <axisys> hile_: does not report md5sum
[15:41:36] <lasseoe> axisys: google
[15:41:37] <axisys> or md5
[15:41:48] <axisys> lasseoe: yep
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[15:56:11] <Stric> digest -a md5 ?
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[16:04:39] <Sporq> digest -v -a  md5
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[16:11:54] <elektronkind> hmm. I wonder what a "XMIT 2.1" controller is
[16:12:14] <trygvis> and why would mkdir have to be adjusted to a specific controller?
[16:12:24] <elektronkind> exactly
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[16:12:32] <elektronkind> rather, mkfs
[16:13:00] <trygvis> oh
[16:13:01] <elektronkind> which is more plausible than mkdir but curious still
[16:13:10] <trygvis> yah .. I missread that
[16:14:14] * elektronkind begins the long, slow slog of downloading all DVD parts for s10u3 for both sparc and x86
[16:14:33] <elektronkind> seems to be about 30 minutes a part :/
[16:15:04] <quasi> elektronkind: get a better connection - I got the x86 dvd in 5mins/part
[16:15:05] <elektronkind> sun.com needs an internet2 connection :)
[16:15:52] <quasi> however, the companion is taking 2.5 hrs
[16:15:59] <elektronkind> do you know if you were getting them from sdlc-esd.sun.com ?
[16:16:36] <quasi> yes, it was
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[16:17:43] <elektronkind> jeez, I'm 17 hops away
[16:18:11] <elektronkind> buh. according to this traceroute, sdlc-esd.sun.com is in netherlands
[16:18:27] <elektronkind> whiskey tango foxtrot
[16:18:35] <quasi> 8 hops here
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[16:20:43] <andersmo> elektronkind: akamai? =)
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[16:24:56] *** stevel changes topic to "os.o SCM repositories down for maintenance | Latest builds: SXCR: 53 | ON build: 54"
[16:25:41] <jteo> stevel: scheduled maintenance I hope. ;)
[16:26:24] <stevel> jteo: unscheduled, but planned :)
[16:29:10] <carbon60> So I just installed b50 on a spare PC. It reboots just after getting past GRUB. Booting into failsafe works though. Ideas?
[16:29:35] <timeless> add -k to the boot flags
[16:32:55] <carbon60> timeless: What does that do?
[16:34:20] <carbon60> Ah, apprently it can't mount root?
[16:34:22] <carbon60> WTF?
[16:35:33] <timeless> do i still have any pending questions?
[16:35:38] <timeless> i'm not paying attn
[16:36:11] <carbon60> timeless: Thanks for the tip. It seems that it can't mount root for some reason. :-(
[16:38:15] <carbon60> How do I even begin to troubleshoot that?
[16:38:22] <carbon60> Maybe I should stick with u3.
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[16:42:56] <stevel> carbon60: your boot archive may be out of sync?
[16:43:07] <stevel> try booting into failsafe and running bootadm
[16:45:18] <carbon60> stevel: This is a fresh install?
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[16:48:20] <carbon60> stevel: Yeah, no luck. Ran bootadm update-archive.
[16:48:23] <carbon60> Same behaviour.
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[16:52:18] <stevel> carbon60: hrm. did you boot with -kv and see where it's hanging at?
[16:53:15] <carbon60> stevel: Just -k, let me do -kv.
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[16:56:44] <carbon60> stevel: Well, I'm not sure how to read this.
[16:57:13] <carbon60> But it says "pci0 is /pci@0,0" then panics with "cannot mount root path".
[16:59:44] <elektronkind> man, with all the new neeat stuff in 11/06, it should really be called Solaris 10.5
[16:59:45] <jbk> grr.. i hate brain farts
[16:59:53] <jbk> i know i'm missing something obvious here
[17:03:30] <elektronkind> man, UCLA got p0wn3d
[17:03:43] <elektronkind> man, I say "man" too much.
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[17:08:43] <jamesd_> man  you do
[17:12:57] <Stric> elektronkind: I've told you a million times not to exaggerate!
[17:20:40] <zarathustra> lol
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[17:22:56] <prstat> O3D
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[17:35:00] <stevel> SCM repositories (hopefully) back up
[17:35:10] <stevel> i suppose i should probably test and verify such an assertion before i make it though
[17:39:48] <richlowe> stevel: they were?
[17:40:03] <richlowe> I totally should read the topic, I guess, but I pull'd without issue earlier.
[17:40:21] <stevel> they were only actually down from about 8am-8:30am
[17:40:31] <stevel> and not even really down. just the hooks - so if you were pulling, it would have been uaffected
[17:40:34] <stevel> unaffected even
[17:40:51] <richlowe> I'm glad I realized I had to merge this stuff then.
[17:40:52] <stevel> i just like to exagerate and make broad sweeping generalised statements like "SCM repositories are down" in order to cover my ass
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[17:41:23] <stevel> oh damn
[17:41:30] <stevel> remote: error: changegroup hook raised an exception: global name 'isValidEmailFormat' is not defined
[17:41:35] <stevel> looks like they're not back up. ;-)
[17:42:25] <quasi> does anyone know what gcc version is in the latest opensolaris?
[17:43:11] <stevel> gcc version 3.4.3 (csl-sol210-3_4-20050802)
[17:43:18] <stevel> okay, now the hooks are working
[17:43:25] <quasi> ok, thanks
[17:43:25] <stevel> yay. aggregate changeset notifications are enabled now
[17:43:38] * quasi goes off to try building gcc 4.1
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[17:51:14] <loke__> quasi: why?
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[17:52:02] <richlowe> and now we get to see how 3000+ revisions in one mail look when dumped on us by an illconsidered import.
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[17:53:57] <stevel> richlowe: no, i put in a failsafe stopgap that rejects all changegroups w/ >500 changesets
[17:54:08] <stevel> lame i know, but it's a stopgap until we get a better solution
[17:56:33] <donofrioatwork> how do I get ahold of someone @ sun working on staroffice?
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[17:57:09] <alanc> try going through openoffice.org ?
[17:57:58] <richlowe> stevel: wow, thinking ahead?
[17:58:08] <richlowe> well there goes my fun. :\
[17:58:09] <donofrioatwork> hehehe openoffice.org folk that I wanna talk to is without a job so the mdbdriver02 project that allows access database access is stalled
[18:00:55] <Cyrille> if you want to talk about development on the database component, I'd suggest joining/mailing dev at dba dot openoffice.org
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[18:03:38] <stevel> richlowe: :)
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[18:19:25] <bougie> hello :)
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[18:55:37] <onbot> commit by zk194757:  6263586 hpc3130_ioctl() incorrectly validates port number
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[19:20:38] <onbot> commit by rb150246:  6464597 mpxio doesn't support engenio oem devices; 6464605 scsi target driver doesn't support engenio oem devices
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[19:23:56] <ja1> anyone here had any luck installing open sol on a pavillion laptop
[19:25:35] <ja1> also, anyone know where i can find a hardware compatibility list?
[19:25:47] <Error_404> bigadmin.com/hcl
[19:26:00] <ja1> oh, same as all the other ones
[19:26:01] <ja1> ok
[19:26:15] <ja1> thx
[19:28:37] <onbot> commit by Subhan Mohammed:  6498161 OPL PCBE uses wrong counter names
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[19:31:52] <alfism> is solaris express upgradable/patchable via smpatch?
[19:33:53] <quasi> loke__: to see if it is any better at building the POS software we right now have that does quite a bit better on linux with gcc4.1 than on solaris with stock gcc (making it compile with studio would take months)
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[19:41:53] <Auralis> alfism: no
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[19:46:08] <onbot> commit by rb150246:  6473457 disk disappear if a SAN connected disk array is broken and unconfigured with cX, even if MPxIO used
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[19:55:38] <onbot> commit by Roger Faulkner:  6501469 xref should include dtrace scripts in cscope.out
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[20:06:40] <Error_404> hot damn java6 has a lot of dtrace probes
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[21:04:54] <Error_404> glassfish starts a lot quicker with java6
[21:05:03] <Error_404> huh, I didn't even think it *would* work
[21:07:51] <andersmo> Error_404: I've spent the last few months using those dtrace probes in java6 to document why Derby, the database included with jdk6 doesn't really scale well on multiprocessor systems. Or, rather, I spent a few weeks with dtrace, and the rest of the time on the report... School project. =)
[21:08:23] <Error_404> that's a neat project
[21:10:04] <Error_404> what class?
[21:10:23] <Error_404> (the title, i mean...)
[21:11:02] <andersmo> In cooperation with the derby developers at Sun here in Trondheim. DTrace + hotspot == <3 for analyzing such problems. =)
[21:14:41] <andersmo> It's a database systems course - the whole course is one big project and two semi-related theory subject. One team per project, with a faculty advisor. And a big report which will probably be handed to the derby developers on derby.dev at db dot apache.org.
[21:15:12] <Error_404> I imagine they'll be *very* happy with such a thing
[21:15:14] <andersmo> And maybe our final-semester masters' project after christmas will be to fix those scalability bottlenecks. That's when things get really interesting.
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[21:17:47] <Error_404> I don't suppose the dtrace probes in the jvm let you figgure out which particular object is being instantiated ?
[21:19:13] <Error_404> or i could google it and say "yes it does"
[21:20:07] <Error_404> heh
[21:20:45] <andersmo> Error_404: http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/technotes/guides/vm/dtrace.html =)
[21:21:06] <andersmo> The "object-alloc" probe probably does exactly what you want. =)
[21:21:21] <elektronkind> mmmph
[21:21:27] <Error_404> yeah, I just found that page through google
[21:21:32] <Error_404> :)
[21:21:35] <andersmo> And using the jstack() action will also let you snapshot the stack trace where the allocation occurs.
[21:22:41] <andersmo> So you can figure out exactly what code paths waste your precious heap space. =)
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[21:54:17] <axisys> OT: anyone know of a good site to find cheap international flight ticket?
[21:56:09] <axisys> is priceline.com any good? do u need an account to get good deal?
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[21:58:32] <elektronkind> priceline will get you a cheap ticket, but with none of the "nice" options such as being able to reshedule if you miss the flight, etc.
[21:59:40] <PerterB> ebookers.com aren't the absolute cheapest, but not a bad starting point
[21:59:51] <ShadowHntr> axisys: expedia is a good place to look, then book directly with the airline.
[22:00:12] <elektronkind> I've also used bucketshop.com in the past, which is typically good.
[22:00:39] <axisys> cool!
[22:03:27] <elektronkind> hmm. bucketshop.com doens't seem to be anymore what I remember it being
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[22:12:54] <_william_> oir
[22:12:57] <_william_> hi all
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[22:34:23] <elektronkind> it would be nice if a patch_order file was included with the patches in the UpdatePatches directory :/
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[22:44:14] <Tpenta> stevel: I need to do a drop offthe current clone today dont i?
[22:44:22] * Tpenta is getting days mixed up
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[22:50:35] <_william_> does anyone know if Java 6 is included in Update 3  ?
[22:50:44] <_william_> my DL is not yet finished... ;)
[22:53:15] <Tpenta> no idea, but I'm interested to see what kernel patch it reports as
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[22:55:28] <carbon60> So? I just did an install of 11/06. It boots directly into dtlogin. I have no mouse. Can't ssh, because PermitRoot is off. So? ?
[22:55:45] <carbon60> Isn't it most common to be installing this on headless servers?
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[22:56:04] <Auralis> headless servers do have a serial console
[22:57:44] <carbon60> Auralis: Ah, true.
[22:58:08] <carbon60> So, since I have no mouse I can't navigate to the "console login" menu.
[22:58:22] <carbon60> Is there a tty on a serial port, by default?
[22:58:50] <Auralis> on a sparc system, with no keyboard connected yes
[22:59:19] <carbon60> Auralis: but not on a piece of crap white box that sounds like it's going to die a horrible death any moment, eh? :-)
[22:59:55] <Auralis> well, just boot into single user, config root access for ssh and off you go
[23:00:05] <dj2> can you not tab around dtlogin to get to the console prompt
[23:00:10] <carbon60> Ah, duh. That brings up another question: what is the cheapest Sparc box you would eBay for learning purposes?
[23:00:22] <delewis> an Ultra 2
[23:00:23] <carbon60> dj2: Tab seems to put characters in the field.
[23:00:28] <delewis> or a Blade 1000 if you can afford it
[23:00:35] <Auralis> ultra2 is a nice and cheap box able to run sol 10
[23:00:36] <carbon60> delewis: Thanks!
[23:00:37] <delewis> a good Ultra 2 will run about $75-$200
[23:00:43] <delewis> and a decent Blade 1000 will run $300-$600
[23:02:16] <delewis> just make sure you get an Ultra 2 with UltraSPARC-II's.
[23:02:49] <carbon60> dj2: Apparently, Shift-TAB does it. :-)
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[23:10:58] <carbon60> Ultra-80s seem cheap.
[23:11:03] <carbon60> Are they not decent systems?
[23:11:10] <stevel> tpenta: hrm, yup - it's tuesday alright
[23:11:20] <dwc-> if there's no requirement for a sparc s10 box ....
[23:11:33] <Tpenta> just bringing it over (and its wednesday morning ;)
[23:11:38] <delewis> carbon60, yes
[23:11:41] <delewis> they're nice systems.
[23:11:44] * stevel wonders why his delivery script didn't fire
[23:11:55] <stevel> oh wait, yeah it did
[23:11:56] <stevel> n/m
[23:11:57] <stevel> :-D
[23:12:20] <richlowe> nice.
[23:12:24] <carbon60> Ultra 80s start at about $200 on eBay.
[23:13:13] <delewis> you'll have to get yourself a Type 5
[23:13:36] <hile_> the problem with 80s is that damn riser
[23:14:19] <_william_> why is it a problem ?
[23:14:40] <Tpenta> stevel yes it did I just checked while I was waiting for you to respond ;)
[23:15:01] <Tpenta> if the riser breaks, you cant use the machine. the memory interleave is across main board AND riser
[23:15:09] <_william_> carbon60, it depend on your configuration, but i have a U80 under solaris 10 and it works really fine
[23:15:16] <carbon60> Cool.
[23:15:39] <Tpenta> I'm using a u80 now too. my work desktop has 3gb and 3 procs in it (still scrounging for that last gig and cpu)
[23:15:48] <_william_> carbon60, i have a quad US-II 4gig of ram, used as database and tomcat server
[23:15:51] <Tpenta> SunOS vesvi 5.11 snv_54 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-80
[23:16:19] <_william_> where are you from Tpenta ?
[23:16:34] <Tpenta> Sydney
[23:16:46] <carbon60> Do the U2, U60 and U80 share CPU modules?
[23:16:51] <_william_> that's far from PAris :) (because i have an extra gig and reiser ;) )
[23:16:58] <Tpenta> no, but the 60 and 80 do
[23:17:08] <_william_> U2 i am not sure... but 60 and 80 yes for sure
[23:17:13] <_william_> but not memory !
[23:17:21] <Tpenta> u2 definitely not
[23:17:56] <_william_> i used to have a u60, then i bought an u80 and kept one of the two cpu of my u60 which i sold as a single cpu box
[23:19:06] <_william_> if you intend to use it as a desktop workstation take care of speed. It does not respond very fast compare to blades or pc :(
[23:19:31] <_william_> i had to buy a blade to use it as main computer at home, the u80 was too slow for gnome things :(
[23:19:32] <delewis> shouldn't be too bad for interactive usage, though.
[23:19:38] <delewis> you've got 4 processors to schedule threads on :-)
[23:19:41] <Tpenta> and for a desktop, go looking for memory before you go looking for cpus
[23:19:42] <_william_> it's a bit slow ...
[23:19:57] <_william_> yes but only one  for desktopin fact, and a slow graphic card most of the time
[23:20:27] * Tpenta has a pair of expert 3ds
[23:20:36] * delewis has a single Elite3D :-(
[23:20:42] <delewis> do Ultra 80s have UPA?
[23:20:47] <delewis> oh, of course they do.
[23:20:48] * _william_ has a pair of expert 3D and a xvr 500
[23:22:08] <_william_> now my u80 only has a pgx64, it's used as a server and is headless, i moved all the graphic cards into the blade, which is now three headed :)
[23:22:18] <_william_> awesome :)
[23:23:30] <syphilis> what's the nightly flag to not clobber?  -i?
[23:23:50] <_william_> good night
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[23:25:06] <stevel> syphilis: -i
[23:25:18] <syphilis> tx
[23:25:31] <syphilis> ram out of disk space and vmware broke my build :-(
[23:25:34] <syphilis> ran
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[23:29:30] <hspaans> g'day
[23:30:08] <bengtf> since the nvidia's are supported under the b53 - x86 would it be possible that they work in a blade100 ?
[23:30:16] <Auralis> no
[23:30:31] <delewis> bengtf, absolutely not.
[23:30:34] <delewis> they lack the necessary Fcode
[23:30:53] <Auralis> and the drivers are written for x86 not sparc
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[23:31:23] <bengtf> hmm, they not opensource then ?
[23:31:36] <Auralis> no
[23:32:05] <bengtf> why do they need Fcode ?
[23:32:29] <Auralis> so you have a display outside of x
[23:32:40] <bengtf> ah, that not neccessary for me
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[23:33:45] <bengtf> btw, is that the same thing with the expert3d ?
[23:34:03] <bengtf> mine doenst work in obp
[23:34:14] <bengtf> or later either correctly ...
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[23:34:49] <Auralis> expert3d oes work in obp fine, if you tell the obp to use it
[23:35:06] <bengtf> hmm, how ?
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[23:35:37] <bengtf> is that also the reason that the driver crashes in solaris, that it might not be enabled correctly ?
[23:35:40] <Auralis> read the doc of the card, its written in there
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[23:36:16] <bengtf> tried reading them , says alot of how to install but no mention of telling obp to use it
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[23:47:56] <syphilis> hmm, i get errors about mod_ipp.c in my build
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[23:48:31] <syphilis> apparently, building ON requires apache to be installed
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[23:53:47] <syphilis> (that seems a bit silly to me)
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