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[00:15:01] <quasi> PerterB: there's USB Bootable BeleniX
[00:15:52] <PerterB> hmm, perhaps my bad then
[00:16:24] <quasi> "A simple USB installer script is available that can dump the LiveCD contents to a USB thumb drive and make it bootable."
[00:16:37] <dlg> apple can usb boot from their abomination they call ofw
[00:17:12] <dlg> and of course you can root off usb
[00:17:35] <dlg> the same constraints apply to any other disk controller and the drivers for them
[00:17:38] <PerterB> also firewire... but ISTR they use "magic" partitions on the disk to hold drivers (or was that just for OS 9 and below)
[00:19:27] <quasi> magic partitions? as in EFI?
[00:23:51] <PerterB> nah, just did a quick refresh and it's a preOSX thing when they used their own partition table format
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[00:41:23] <jlc> http://opensolaris.org/os/project/zfsboot/documentation/instructions/#zfs_manual
[00:41:33] <jlc> i'm a little confused
[00:41:49] <jlc> I've gotten up to step 10 "BFU your zfsroot"
[00:42:02] <jlc> I need to do that right?
[00:42:42] <jlc> I'm on snv53
[00:44:20] <Error_404> wow, that project is silent... no activity since august
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[01:37:00] <boyd> dlg: Are you saying that you don't like OFW/OBP or that apples OFW is not enough like OBP?
[01:37:12] <dlg> ofw is beautiful
[01:37:13] <dlg> on suns
[01:37:25] <dlg> apples arent as much fun
[01:38:21] * boyd never really noticed that much difference. It has to be said, though, that he only ever looked at it so see if he could. In 2.5 years of having a TiBook he never had to use the OFW in anger
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[01:50:45] <Tpenta> http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/b54_non_debug_on_encumbered
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[03:11:01] <onbot> commit by Eric Cheng:  6502269 bfu clobbers dladm configuration files
[03:14:53] <jbk> now if dladm would stop showing 'unknown' for every network device...
[03:15:11] <jbk> :)
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[03:49:28] <dwc-> onbot: onbot is nice.
[03:49:28] <onbot> dwc-: Error: "onbot" is not a valid command.
[03:49:30] <dwc-> onbot: help
[03:49:31] <onbot> dwc-: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[03:49:39] <dwc-> how ... useful.
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[06:34:06] <razrX> morning all
[06:39:15] <axisys> is the spot pkg for sol 10 u2?
[06:39:22] <axisys> is there* ?
[07:08:18] <jbk> ok.. sound juicer is slightly confused
[07:08:24] <jbk> but at least it's playing this cd
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[07:34:58] <Tpenta> quick trip home james
[07:35:03] <jmcp> yeah
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[07:35:19] <jmcp> managed to get a train which missed Killara and Roseville, then walked @ my normal pace back from St Leonards
[07:35:36] <Tpenta> :)
[07:36:11] <jmcp> which is great given the current radar entry http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR033.loop.shtml
[07:36:38] * Tpenta wondres i h afe*RELLY* want to look at it
[07:37:38] <Tpenta> arm, ... thar be red in thar
[07:37:42] <jmcp> yeah
[07:37:59] <Tpenta> forntuatel yit sho udlbe over quick
[07:38:40] <jmcp> hope so
[07:38:47] <jmcp> have to head into town for dinner
[07:38:59] <Tpenta> :-D
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[09:59:20] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:14:58] <LeftWing> Heh, SUNW is up to 5.730
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[10:18:11] <quasi> sell. sell. sell!
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[10:18:16] <quasi> ;)
[10:19:32] <LeftWing> I don't own any stock. ;P
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[10:27:15] <g4lt-U60> hold, hold, hold :)
[10:27:59] <Error_404> didn't sun stock go way up last time there was a tech bubble as well?
[10:28:14] <Error_404> IIRC it didn't bode well for them when it inevitably crashed
[10:28:32] <g4lt-U60> so when thyis bubble bursts I'll have lots of money to reinvest ;P
[10:28:54] <LeftWing> I don't think $5.73 is really a bubble, per se.
[10:29:05] <Error_404> assuming you get out fast enough
[10:29:20] <Error_404> LeftWing: not "sunw bubble", "internet bubble"
[10:29:27] <LeftWing> Ah.
[10:29:32] <Error_404> as in "google bought a company that was bleeding money for billions of dollars"
[10:29:44] <LeftWing> heh
[10:30:09] <LeftWing> They were buying attention as much as anything. ;P
[10:30:42] <Error_404> they could've bought pets.com for cheaper & gotten the same amount of attention
[10:31:01] <Error_404> but i'm not a business guy, so who knows
[10:31:20] <andersmo> Google's got cash to burn.
[10:31:31] <Berny> morning
[10:31:40] <Error_404> andersmo: apparantly...
[10:31:45] <LeftWing> I can't say I've ever met anybody who used pets.com ;P
[10:31:56] <Error_404> want to start a web2.0 company with me?
[10:32:03] <LeftWing> haha
[10:32:14] <Error_404> LeftWing: it was a joke about dotbombs
[10:32:21] <LeftWing> Ah.
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[10:32:48] <Error_404> *nobody* used pets.com, that's why sun stock is sitting less than $20
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[10:33:02] <Error_404> or any other half-baked internet idea
[10:33:19] <Error_404> actually, what was sunw at in '99
[10:34:32] <Error_404> google says highpoint at $64
[10:34:48] <dwc-> google will tell you that
[10:34:53] <Error_404> in sept. 2000
[10:35:18] <LeftWing> It would be good to see $10 again. =P
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[10:36:05] <Tpenta> as an employee and an options holder, I'd *love* to see $10 again
[10:36:29] <Error_404> heh, news item #b from google finance: "Sun Micro posts narrower loss as revenue rises"
[10:36:30] <dwc-> just do a 2:1 reverse-split
[10:36:36] <Tpenta> no
[10:36:37] <dwc-> and bam, above $10 again :P
[10:36:38] <Tpenta> they never work
[10:36:47] <Error_404> "wow, you mean they're still burning money, but not as quickly!"
[10:36:57] <Tpenta> look at every company who has done that and they end up with a lower market cap than before the reverse split
[10:37:18] <Tpenta> far better to buy back stock
[10:37:33] <LeftWing> Well at least they're heading in the direction of profitability.
[10:38:59] <dwc-> nortel did a 10:1 reverse split
[10:39:04] <dwc-> recently I think
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[10:39:49] <dwc-> didnt' drop significantly
[10:39:49] <Error_404> LeftWing: and that's why i don't invest...
[10:39:52] <Error_404> i'd be terrible at it
[10:40:15] <Error_404> to me "losing money" means "slowly going out of business", not "headed towards profit"
[10:40:45] <LeftWing> Error_404: Well it's all about trends... if you look at their operational profit over the last few years it's heading in the direction of black.  It's a long-term thing.
[10:40:52] <LeftWing> And long-term things are much better than bubbles.
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[10:41:48] <LeftWing> Wow, I didn't realise Google were at $484 a share.
[10:42:03] <Error_404> heh
[10:42:24] * Gman thinks it's overpriced :)
[10:42:37] <Error_404> someone with a better understanding of such things want to explain why they wouldn't split ?
[10:42:54] <dwc-> the wow factor?
[10:43:02] <LeftWing> Gman: Yeah, for a bunch of beta products it is a tad over-priced. ;)
[10:43:28] <dwc-> I mean, berkshire-hathaway's like what... $100k+ a share?
[10:44:09] <LeftWing> Holy crap that's a lot of money.
[10:44:24] <Error_404> a house, or a share in them?
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[10:44:46] <Error_404> what do they make, anyways?
[10:44:54] <LeftWing> Raw Cash? :P
[10:45:15] <dwc-> lots of money?
[10:45:37] <Error_404> heh, besides that
[10:45:52] <dwc-> they own lots of companies
[10:45:55] <dwc-> it's warren buffet
[10:45:56] <LeftWing> I don't think you'd have time to do anything else with share prices that high. ;P
[10:46:28] <g4lt-U60> speakign of stocks, worst stock name EVAR  http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=72727&p=irol-IRHome
[10:46:37] <dwc-> they have like geico, and a bunch of other holding companies
[10:47:38] <g4lt-U60> atari's gonna reverse 10:1 soon FWIH
[10:49:03] <Error_404> atari's still a company?
[10:49:18] <LeftWing> Yeah, they churn out various games from time to time as a publisher.
[10:49:31] <g4lt-U60> sort of, infogrames bought the remnants and took over the name
[10:49:46] <Error_404> I don't think i've played an atari published game in at least a decade
[10:50:31] <g4lt-U60> they just became interesting because of the ps3/wii launches.  santa's going to have to get games, lots of games, and especially in the wii's case, that may mean atari titles
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[10:52:35] <LeftWing> LEGO STAR WARS was pretty good.
[10:52:50] <Error_404> except on the DS
[10:52:59] <Error_404> in which case it was unplayable
[10:53:17] <Error_404> not "a poorly designed game", but it had graphics errors that made it literally unplayable
[10:53:28] <LeftWing> I've only played it on the PC.
[10:53:47] <Error_404> i don't own a pc
[10:53:50] <Error_404> just a ds
[10:53:57] <LeftWing> heh
[10:54:02] <LeftWing> What are you using now?
[10:54:07] <LeftWing> Mac? Sun box?
[10:54:44] <Error_404> yes
[10:54:52] <dwc-> irssi for ds?
[10:54:59] <dwc-> a mac might as well be a "pc" these days
[10:55:00] <Error_404> i use a mac as a workstation, sshed in to a sun box
[10:55:07] <dwc-> oh wait, it is!
[10:55:14] <LeftWing> lol dwc-
[10:55:35] <Error_404> okay, well... i don't have a "marketing term" pc
[10:55:50] <Error_404> an x86 box
[10:57:13] <Error_404> not one with a video card in it in either case
[10:57:21] <LeftWing> mmm
[10:57:39] <dwc-> headless mac workstation?
[10:57:52] <g4lt-U60> 27 days from now, I may invest in a loser stock SCOX, just before it delists :)
[10:58:00] <LeftWing> heh
[10:58:05] <Error_404> g4lt-U60: why?
[10:58:18] <dwc-> to own a piece of history!
[10:58:23] <LeftWing> There's still time to become a SCO Ace!
[10:58:23] <g4lt-U60> Error_404, to have a front-row seat on the death spiral
[10:58:42] <dlg> and if the company recovers, its a good investment
[10:58:46] <Error_404> make sure to get the paper stock cert.
[10:58:57] <Error_404> but why 27 days?
[10:59:02] <g4lt-U60> yeah, wanna frame it
[10:59:06] <LeftWing> dlg: I would be surprised if SCO recovers.  They serve no useful purpose.  =P
[10:59:18] <g4lt-U60> because it just dipped below $1/share friday officially
[10:59:19] <dlg> LeftWing: i didnt say when, just if
[10:59:24] <Error_404> LeftWing: but they *OWN* unix!
[10:59:32] <LeftWing> heh
[10:59:43] <g4lt-U60> 27 days is the day before delisting
[10:59:46] <LeftWing> Don't Open Group own it these days?
[10:59:47] <dlg> Error_404: you mean Unix
[10:59:52] <LeftWing> The trademark rights, anyway.
[10:59:53] <dwc-> Unix (R)
[11:00:23] * LeftWing feels it should have retained its full capitalisatin.
[11:01:20] <Error_404> LeftWing: because UNIX was a text formatting system gone horribly awry?
[11:01:38] <LeftWing> It still looks better in capitals. =P
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[13:50:40] <boyd> Wow, no wonder it's been so smoky around here: http://barista.media2.org/wp-content/fireplume.jpg
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[15:52:19] <jbk> morning
[15:53:16] <pseudoXh4> Good morning, jbk.
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[16:29:14] <donofrioatwork> paint me newbee how do I do a ps -auxww in solaris 8.2?
[16:29:29] <donofrioatwork> I'm a linux admin solaris is rusty for me
[16:29:29] <trygvis> I always use -ef or -flea
[16:29:47] <donofrioatwork> thanks
[16:31:02] <delewis> donofrioatwork, that's BSD syntax for ps.
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[16:31:21] <delewis> has completely nothing to do with Linux, other than point out the fact how inconsistent it is.
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[16:31:24] <donofrioatwork> ok how do I get it list the full ps -ef (at full columon width seems to be clipping)
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[16:32:26] <trygvis> dunno, I always combine it with pargs
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[16:33:00] <delewis> pargs or flags
[16:33:05] <delewis> pflags, rather.
[16:33:08] <quasi> donofrioatwork: /usr/ucb/ps is more like ps -aux
[16:33:13] <lasseoe>  /usr/ucb/ps -auwxx   if you WANT a bsd style ps
[16:33:18] <delewis> pflags output is a bit less than pargs
[16:33:19] <delewis> so I tend to prefer it
[16:33:41] * quasi tends to use pargs
[16:33:51] <quasi> more info is goodness
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[16:54:39] * delewis wishes the UCB cc man page would die a horrible death
[16:55:03] <richlowe> why single out the manpage, kill the whole thing.
[16:55:08] <richlowe> and related things.
[16:55:35] <delewis> I can either have /opt/SUNWspro/man in my MANPATH first or /usr/man. The disadvantage of the former is that all of the SUNWspro man pages interfere with system man pages (namely find and others)
[16:55:43] <delewis> richlowe, the existence of UCB cc is particularly annoying.
[16:56:30] <richlowe> lint, too.
[16:56:37] * richlowe isn't sure either of them work with recent studio, either.
[16:57:30] * delewis thinks a /usr/ucb/man would've been a good idea.
[16:57:51] <delewis> but then again, that would've set a precedent for having a separate man page directory for every userland, which I can't see as a bad thing, either.
[16:59:08] <alanc> you mean like /usr/openwin/man, /usr/dt/man & /usr/X11/man ?   of course, those would really be helped by a global MANPATH setting so we don't have to tell everyone to edit their man path before looking at man pages there
[16:59:35] <delewis> alanc, sure.
[16:59:55] <delewis> I think that could've been solved by having a commented line in the default .profile that users could uncomment
[17:00:13] <delewis> (or just adding /usr/openwin/man and friends to the default MANPATH to begin with)
[17:00:49] <delewis> the fact that /usr/ucb doesn't have a bin directory is also a bit inconsistent when one takes into mind the existence of /usr/xpg4/bin, etc.
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[17:43:36] <jamesd_> okay what is up with this crap
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[17:43:38] <jamesd_> bash-3.00# zfs set sharenfs=rw pool
[17:43:39] <jamesd_> cannot set sharenfs for 'pool': out of space
[17:43:39] <jamesd_> bash-3.00# zpool iostat pool
[17:43:39] <jamesd_>                capacity     operations    bandwidth
[17:43:39] <jamesd_> pool         used  avail   read  write   read  write
[17:43:41] <jamesd_> pool        49.7G   807M      0      0    169     39
[17:44:28] <bougie> hello
[17:44:51] <jamesd_> hi
[17:44:57] <Rolnif> hold
[17:45:00] <Rolnif> hola i mean
[17:45:38] <pseudoXh4> Anyone got the NDISwrapper for Intel 3945 wireless?
[17:46:03] <onbot> commit by Brian Utterback:  6494715 Contrary to 6359389, ICMP_MIN_TCP_HDR should NOT be 12
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[17:53:22] <richlowe> jamesd_: http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg04531.html
[17:57:47] <jamesd_> richlowe, but  zfs get all   reports 0 space avail, and   zpool iostat reports 807M .. and there is no quota's set.
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[18:51:13] <sommerfeld> jamesd: not sure of all the details, but some amount of pool space is reserved to prevent a complete out-of-space lockup
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[19:04:29] <donofrioatwork> where does bash hold bash history from root if you cd and it returns \
[19:04:38] <donofrioatwork> but the other way
[19:04:40] <donofrioatwork> (-:
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[19:08:09] <lasseoe> man bash
[19:10:29] <donofrioatwork> I know it suppose to be .bash_history but when the root use cd's and it drops it to root but slash not slash root I was lost
[19:11:33] <lasseoe> Solaris is not Linux
[19:11:44] <lasseoe>  / is root's home directory
[19:16:58] <donofrioatwork> like this - whoa weird... at least to me HISTFILE=//.bash_history
[19:17:06] <delewis> BSD stuff?
[19:17:07] <donofrioatwork> found it but weird dir list
[19:17:10] <delewis> you're about 15 years behind.
[19:17:22] <dwc-> do no frio at wrok?
[19:17:31] <donofrioatwork> )-: - hey at least my name is lewis as well
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[19:17:47] <dwc-> oh.
[19:17:50] * dwc- looks at whois
[19:17:55] <donofrioatwork> I'm donofrio at umich dot edu
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[19:20:15] <pseudoXh4> Anyone got the NDISwrapper for Intel 3945 wireless?
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[19:24:04] <onbot> commit by Michen Chang:  6499997 nscd breaks lpget and printmgr; 6500952 nscd consumes fd's in netgroups w/ldap & anon access
[19:26:19] <twincest> hmm, what sort of thing can cause ioctl(DP_POLL) to return EINVAL?  i'm fairly sure the arguments i'm passing are correct
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[19:35:06] <pikapika> hello
[19:35:23] <pseudoXh4> HEY PIKAPIKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:35:24] <pseudoXh4> HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:35:38] <pikapika> yes ?
[19:35:49] <pseudoXh4> Well, you said "hello".
[19:35:52] <pseudoXh4> I just reciprocated. :P
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[19:37:46] <pikapika> :)
[19:38:14] <delewis> ugh, stupid 'as'.
[19:38:23] <delewis> Why must it tag ELFs that have VIS instructions? :-(
[19:39:09] <delewis> does 'as'  tag ELFs if they contain SSE/MMX/etc. code?
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[19:40:15] <richlowe> recent as does, yes.
[19:40:34] <richlowe> (recent as in, since about snv_21)
[19:40:35] <delewis> this seems to be limiting the applications of SIGILL
[19:41:09] <delewis> I wouldn't mind if there was a way to override it when the application wants to handle it appropriately.
[19:41:22] <timeless> richlowe: how goes it?
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[19:50:24] <pseudoXh4> Does OpenSolaris run well on Core Duos?
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[19:51:29] <quasi> pseudoXh4: the core duo isn't the problem - the chipset might be
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[19:51:44] <sickness> heh, and the sata controller :/
[19:51:52] <pseudoXh4> Let me rephrase that. :P
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[19:51:58] <pseudoXh4> Does OpenSolaris run well on Core Duo laptops? :)
[19:51:59] <sickness> cfgadm is a bitch I still have to see it support one damn sata controller that I have tried so far :)
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[19:52:04] <sickness> ghgh
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[19:52:23] <sickness> well indeed, the sata framework, not cfgadm per se :P
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[19:54:21] <dennis-> hmm, is cd1 enough for a core install?
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[19:55:24] <alanc> doubt it
[19:55:36] <richlowe> it used to be fairly close.
[19:55:41] <richlowe> but I'd strongly suggest not trying.
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[19:57:02] <dennis-> which cds do i need then?
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[19:57:49] <alanc> sadly, I don't know of anyone who has made a list of what's on each cd, as I think it can change with each build
[19:58:23] <moazamraja> probably no one ever will, what with DVD becoming the norm for install
[19:58:42] <moazamraja> tho it pains me that I have to download the DVD in like 20 different 'parts' :/
[19:58:55] <delewis> IIRC, CD media won't even be provided in the Solaris 11 media kits, according to something I remember reading from my 3/05 FCS kit.
[19:58:57] <sickness> 5 zip, yeah, a bit annoying...
[19:59:29] <dennis-> well, my enterprise 450 does not have a dvd-rom :/
[19:59:35] <delewis> a small file being corrupted isn't a big deal. but when you're 75% done with your DVD download and it stops, don't gripe. :-)
[19:59:44] <delewis> dennis-, Jumpstart
[19:59:55] <sickness> delewis: copy the iso, lofimount it, and liveupgrade ;P
[20:00:04] <dennis-> delewis: i don't have the infrastructure to do that at the site it's located at
[20:00:09] <delewis> sickness, I don't see how that will fix anything.
[20:00:12] <sickness> delewis: there's resume too...
[20:00:18] * timeless wonders what the advantages of liveupgrade are
[20:00:20] <delewis> dennis-, you can't bring an x86 laptop in with Solaris installed on it?
[20:00:23] <delewis> timeless, minimal downtime
[20:00:27] <sickness> delewis: sorry, first comment was meant for dennis :)
[20:00:32] <delewis> and another boot environment to fall back to
[20:00:48] <sickness> and a soooo faster install time =)
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[20:01:03] <sickness> and no dvd-rw media to (wait) burn
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[20:01:19] * delewis tries to remember the last time he did a CD/DVD-based install
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[20:01:28] <sickness> liveupgrade really improved my sxcr following experience =)
[20:01:32] <dennis-> btw, i'm still waiting for my sol10 media kit to arrive :)
[20:01:36] <timeless> i already burned the dvd
[20:01:45] <delewis> generally, I just grab the DVD ISO, lofiadm it, mount it, and run setup_install_server
[20:01:53] <delewis> pretty quick, too :-)
[20:02:17] <timeless> ok, so, supposing i do live uprade, and i have a 4g partition for / and it's almost full
[20:02:24] <timeless> liveupgrade will work and be happy?
[20:02:32] <delewis> timeless, Live Upgrade requires a separate slice
[20:02:45] <delewis> and that slice must be at least the size of the data on your root slice
[20:02:50] <delewis> preferably somewhat larger
[20:03:01] <dennis-> hmm, i guess i have to read up on lu
[20:03:03] <cmihai> "Sun considers its source code as an unpublished, proprietary trade secret, and it is available only under strict license provisions." - lol? :)
[20:03:22] <timeless> ok, so i'll just boot from the dvd :)
[20:03:23] <timeless> bye :)
[20:03:39] <sickness> ...
[20:03:55] <sickness> timeless: http://www.sickness.it/liveupgrade.txt  <- not that difficult =)
[20:04:08] <timeless> i'm gone already ;-)
[20:04:11] <delewis> strict license procedures must mean OSI criteria for free software.
[20:04:15] <delewis> go figure.
[20:04:22] <sickness> lol
[20:04:33] <pseudoXh4> Does OpenSolaris run well on Core Duo laptops? :)
[20:04:45] <alanc> cmihai: where did you see that?
[20:04:52] <cmihai> delewis: I was in the middle of a liveupgrade and decided to see what that script was all about... it's from setup_install_server :)
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[20:05:00] <cmihai> svn_53 :)
[20:05:05] <timeless> seriously, i'm now on a windows laptop, the only thing left on the solaris box is a terminal where i'm about to type: reboot
[20:05:08] <delewis> ugh.
[20:05:11] <delewis> someone should fix that.
[20:05:21] <delewis> then again, the install bits are still closed.
[20:05:25] <timeless> doh
[20:05:30] <delewis> and I would imagine the Jumpstart consolidation falls under that.
[20:05:35] <timeless> reboot|less != man reboot|less
[20:05:38] <timeless> oh well :)
[20:05:39] <alanc> cmihai: where in snv_53?
[20:05:47] <cmihai> alanc: I just mounted the cd... 1 sec
[20:05:50] <delewis> alanc, setup_install_server
[20:06:02] <cmihai> /media/SOL_11_X86/Solaris_11/Tools
[20:06:05] <alanc> ah, then we can file a bug to fix that... 8-)
[20:06:11] <cmihai> :D
[20:09:02] <richlowe> No, you can't.
[20:09:05] <richlowe> that code *is* closed.
[20:09:10] <cmihai> Really?!
[20:09:13] <richlowe> it's just also visible, since it's a script.
[20:09:21] <cmihai> It's a 2 page script
[20:09:29] <richlowe> that doesn't affect it's licensing :)
[20:09:30] <cmihai> half of it is the copywrite notice
[20:09:31] <cmihai> :))
[20:09:33] <richlowe> it just makes it's licensing suspect.
[20:10:06] <cmihai> That's just weird 0_o
[20:10:33] <richlowe> Yeah, it also means we can't fix the more annoying bugs in remove_install_client, too.
[20:10:38] <richlowe> or at least, not fix them and submit the fix.
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[20:11:38] <richlowe> Much the same way liveupgrade is closed, despite reasonable amounts of it being long and horrific ksh scripts. :)
[20:11:54] <timeless> hrm
[20:12:38] <timeless> from the cd installer, how do i temporarily mount zfs volumes from my hard drive? :)
[20:13:08] <Stric> zpool import -R /alternateroot   or something
[20:13:16] <richlowe> I think you should be able to zpool import -R
[20:13:38] <richlowe> oh, sure, beat me to it while I check the manpage. ;)
[20:13:50] <timeless> i'd check the man page, but i don't have man
[20:14:22] <timeless> so, the pool is currently owned by my system which is dead while i run the installer
[20:14:33] <timeless> i presume zpool import -R /altroot -f is ok?
[20:15:08] <timeless> ok, that didn't work
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[20:15:13] <timeless> i think the computer klled itself ;)
[20:15:15] <timeless> yep
[20:15:18] <timeless> it rebooted
[20:15:24] <timeless> is that supposed to happen ? :)
[20:15:25] <pseudoXh4> Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:15:40] <stevel> fyi, i've written quick cgi scripts/redirects so that http://opensolaris.org/sxcr_dvd & http://opensolaris.org/sxcr_cd will always take you to the latest (within an hour, anyway) releases of SXCR
[20:16:21] <alanc> ooh - just got e-mail that Solaris 10 11/06 (update 3) was just posted to the download center - that should make some people happy
[20:16:22] <timeless> stevel: you mean so that i don't have to complain that the links are bad every 2 weeks?
[20:16:39] <richlowe> stevel: woohoo
[20:16:40] <stevel> timeless: yes :) exactly that. (i wrote them in response to your/sch's thread on website-discuss)
[20:16:51] <timeless> stevel++
[20:16:59] <cmihai> alanc: cooool
[20:17:00] <stevel> timeless: it's triggered by a cron-job that runs every hour; so at most it'll be an hour out of date
[20:17:01] <cmihai> You've made me happy :D
[20:17:06] <esproul> i'm considering a new server, and comparing quotes, but i've got two different NICs specified: X1141A (Gigabit Ethernet PCI (GBE/P) 2.0) and X4150A (GigaSwift Ethernet UTP (GCS)).  Is one better than the other, or are they equivalent/
[20:17:13] <cmihai> I was about to install 6/06 tomorrow :]
[20:17:18] <timeless> stevel: given that i'm not that fast at bothering you, it should be fine
[20:17:23] <esproul> yeesh, first line missing
[20:17:23] <timeless> i key off the channel topic
[20:17:24] <stevel> so it happen to hit it in that hour... well, bear with it - and if it's still stale after an hour, THEN you can complain to website-discuss ;-)
[20:17:43] <stevel> ugh. so "if you happen to hit it"...
[20:17:45] <esproul> was asking about NIC specified in new server...
[20:17:46] <stevel> can't type today
[20:17:55] <timeless> that's ok, i'm busy killing my computer w/ mdb :)
[20:18:37] * richlowe did that just yesterday.
[20:19:01] <Stric> alanc: I was just installing sxcr53, but might just put in u3 instead.. ;)
[20:19:02] <richlowe> nothing like hitting return on mdb -K, then realizing the USB keyboard will stop working.
[20:19:17] <alanc> oh, 53 is better if you don't mind lack of patches
[20:19:23] <alanc> 8-)
[20:19:58] <timeless> richlowe: eh?
[20:20:06] <timeless> my usb keyboard has always worked in mdb
[20:21:00] <timeless> richlowe: kernel configured to mdb using grub
[20:21:07] * timeless can't message
[20:21:17] <richlowe> must just be yet another joy of this damn machine then.
[20:21:32] <timeless> i've spent a number of hours living in the kernel debugger
[20:21:33] <timeless> it's fun
[20:21:41] <timeless> and i'm about to again when i can figure out what's going on here
[20:21:49] <timeless> my mouse stopped moving in the x11 installer
[20:21:56] <timeless> but i didn't get a mdb prompt
[20:22:03] <cmihai> Oh, about liveupgrade. Do I need a bigger slice than my whole solaris slice?
[20:22:07] <timeless> i'm supposed to if the system dies, right?
[20:22:08] <cmihai> or just my root slice?
[20:22:25] <richlowe> timeless: If you're in X, you may, but you won't be able to see it.
[20:22:32] <timeless> oh
[20:22:33] <richlowe> on x86, at least.
[20:22:35] <timeless> how do i see it?
[20:22:46] <richlowe> You don't, nothing resets the graphics stuff.
[20:22:47] <timeless> just start typing?
[20:22:48] <richlowe> you're stuck typing blind.
[20:22:59] <timeless> yeesh
[20:23:03] * richlowe has hopes vconsoles will fix that.
[20:23:06] <timeless> ok, um, suggestion?
[20:23:09] <richlowe> or *something* will fix that, I don't much care what.
[20:23:12] <timeless> like, what should i type?
[20:23:19] * timeless is used to having at least a prrompt
[20:23:22] <alanc> if you want to spend serious time in kernel mdb on x86, set your console to a serial port
[20:23:39] <timeless> e.g. if i were at kmdb, how would i get kmdb to give me a beep
[20:23:43] <timeless> so i at least know i'm here
[20:23:44] <richlowe> timeless: normally, I'd suggest forcing a dump then debugging it afterword, but you're on install media.
[20:23:47] <alanc> unless you're unlucky enough to be on a laptop or other machine that considers serial ports useless legaccy
[20:24:15] <timeless> i have a desktop dead in kmdb and a laptop running xp
[20:24:56] <timeless> i do have serial /ports/
[20:25:05] <timeless> but everywhere i've ever been has considered the cables to be legacy
[20:25:20] <timeless> ok, so, um,... how do i make kmdb beep at me?
[20:25:31] <timeless> or maybe i should go w/ what would tell kmdb to reboot?
[20:25:36] <timeless> $q?
[20:26:14] <richlowe> Should do.
[20:26:23] <richlowe> I think it's nice enough to ask you to confirm, though.
[20:26:33] <Error_404> does the performance & tools book ( the one that looks kind of like solaris internals ) have a kmdb guide in it?
[20:26:36] <timeless> ok, it asked to confirm
[20:26:43] <timeless> pressing y instantly rebootted
[20:26:45] <timeless> definitely consistent
[20:26:52] <timeless> next time i'm going to switch to a console before i kill myself
[20:26:57] <richlowe> Error_404: I think it does, but I don't have it.
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[20:27:11] <richlowe> and SI has lists of related commands after each chapter.
[20:27:30] * timeless wonders how to get to a proper console from the installer
[20:28:05] <richlowe> text install, then ^C the installer.
[20:28:09] * timeless tries single user shell
[20:28:11] <timeless> ok
[20:28:14] <timeless> that panic'd
[20:28:15] <richlowe> well, sure, or that :)
[20:28:21] <timeless> panic: entering debugger
[20:28:32] <timeless> i got a bunch of tss. things
[20:28:59] <timeless> $C says _cmntrap => trap => die => panic
[20:29:14] * timeless wonders what _cmntrap is
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[20:29:45] <richlowe> common trap entry point.
[20:29:50] <timeless> not very useful
[20:29:57] <timeless> i guess i need to find some other way to get a stack?
[20:31:18] <richlowe> <thread address>::findstack will give you the stack of a specific thread.
[20:31:35] <timeless> id addr flg nrun bspl pri rnrn krnrn switch thread proc
[20:31:47] <timeless> 1 fec24458 1b 0 0 60 no no t-0 d0786800 zpool
[20:32:04] <timeless> arg, typing conuts
[20:32:16] <timeless> i managed to type the thread here correctly, but not into kmdb :(
[20:32:23] <timeless> ok, page_ctr_sub
[20:32:40] <timeless> very deep stack relative to what i'm used to seeing
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[20:33:01] <timeless> that's the only cpu that isn't idle
[20:34:34] <timeless> hrm, %edi = dblfault_stack0+0x1fa8
[20:34:50] <timeless> %trapno = 0x14
[20:35:40] <timeless> ok
[20:36:15] <timeless> bad trap: type=8 (#df double fault) rp=fec243d8 addr=d06dbfcc
[20:38:29] * timeless frowns
[20:38:37] <timeless> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/vm/vm_pagelist.c#873
[20:38:40] <sommerfeld> the most probable reason for a double fault is due to excessive recursion (blowing the limited-size kernel stack)
[20:38:45] <timeless> oh
[20:38:51] <timeless> well, my stack is about 3 screens deep
[20:38:52] <richlowe> which would tie in with your "bigger than usual" trace, too.
[20:38:54] <timeless> is that enough to blow it?
[20:39:01] <richlowe> Almost certainly, in my view.
[20:39:04] <timeless> more than 3 screens deep actually
[20:39:14] <timeless> ok
[20:39:15] <sommerfeld> that's in the ballpark.
[20:39:34] <timeless> now what? file a bug saying "being stupid during the installer leads to a panic"?
[20:39:56] <sommerfeld> (first fault comes from touching a stack page which isn't there.  2nd fault happens when the fault handling machinery tries to save state in the non-existant stack page..)
[20:40:57] <timeless> so presumably i "technically" crashed on line 874 since mutex_enter is probably inline
[20:41:08] * timeless nods
[20:41:42] <timeless> 45 frames are inside zfs land (some call outs, but basically zfs)
[20:42:18] <timeless> 5 frames to get into zfs, 25 frames after zfs land
[20:42:46] <timeless> ok, so... i have a usb stick, can i get kmdb to write my stack to it? :)
[20:43:12] <sommerfeld> could be: 6354519 stack overflow in zfs due to zio pipeline
[20:43:26] <richlowe> if you could reproduce it while not on install media it would probably help you.
[20:43:35] <timeless> like normal singleuser boot?
[20:43:39] <richlowe> (that way you could get a dump, and work at your leisure)
[20:43:45] * timeless nods
[20:44:28] <timeless> well a portion of my stack is in zio_
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[20:44:35] <timeless> but not much of it
[20:44:46] <timeless> certainly not like that
[20:44:58] <timeless> i have 10 frames of zfs`dmu_objset_find
[20:45:47] <sommerfeld> do you see multiple calls to the same zio function (like zio_vdev_io_start or zio_next_stage)
[20:45:49] <sommerfeld> ?
[20:45:59] <timeless> not really
[20:46:02] <timeless> they were chaining arond
[20:46:06] <timeless> sorry, i rebooted
[20:46:17] <timeless> how do i get to the closest approximation of this from a normal solaris boot?
[20:46:44] <timeless> (it's trivial to reproduce here, so i might as well try to do it from elsewhere)
[20:48:39] <timeless> ok, um
[20:48:42] <timeless> this won't work
[20:48:48] <timeless> normal boot already gives me the zpool
[20:48:55] <timeless> so why should it try to do anything with it?
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[20:49:16] <timeless> i mean, zpool import -R /altroot -f root_pool
[20:49:31] <timeless> on a system which has root_pool mounted just seems even stupider than anything i'm willing to do
[20:49:36] <timeless> and i'm willing to do lots of dumb things :)
[20:50:04] <timeless> although, it occurs to me that i could have copied the data i wanted...
[20:50:24] <timeless> since i just wanted to answer the dns questions correctly
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[21:05:28] <timeless> ok, is it possible to setup a dump device from the install media? :)
[21:05:54] <jamesd__> if your fu is strong enough anything is possible ;-p
[21:06:16] <timeless> my fu is as strong as the tolerance of this channel :)
[21:07:50] * timeless decides installing from install media works better w/ install media inserted :(
[21:10:28] <timeless> ok
[21:10:41] <timeless> dumpadm says dump device: /a/dumpfile (swap)
[21:11:14] <timeless> welcome to kmdb :)
[21:11:57] <timeless> hrm
[21:12:01] * timeless can't be sure it did it
[21:12:04] <timeless> how would i check?
[21:12:11] <richlowe> if you're in kmdb, it hasn't yet.
[21:12:16] <richlowe> it will when you :c
[21:12:16] <timeless> i did $q
[21:12:26] <richlowe> it won't if you $q, however.
[21:12:28] <richlowe> (I don't think)
[21:12:31] <timeless> cute
[21:12:48] <timeless> that's fine, i can learn, i just have a bad memory :)
[21:13:02] <richlowe> $q reboots you without ever reentering the kernel.
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[21:13:47] <timeless> welcome to kmdb :)
[21:14:02] <timeless> :c syncing file systems... done
[21:14:05] * timeless waits
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[21:15:45] <timeless> um, will it reboot on its own if i do :c ?
[21:16:03] <timeless> panic[cpu0]/thread=cc714a00: panic dump timeout
[21:16:10] <timeless> panic: entering debugger (continue to reboot)
[21:16:30] <timeless> so much for that
[21:16:44] <timeless> does this *ever* work? :)
[21:16:53] <timeless> i think i tried to get dumpfile to work last time too :)
[21:17:32] <timeless> dumpsys=>fop_dumpctl=>ufs`ufs_dumpctl=>bread_common=>biowait=>drv_usecwait=>gethrtime=>tsc_gethrtime=>_interrupt
[21:17:44] <richlowe> Dump to disk instead?
[21:17:47] <timeless> cbe_fire=>cyclic_fire=>cyclic_expire=>deadman=>panic
[21:17:48] <richlowe> (rather than a file)
[21:18:04] <richlowe> ... or was it you that was swapping completely on zvols and couldn't?
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[21:18:24] <timeless> i had a dumpfile on ufs that was 1/2g
[21:18:30] <timeless> i'm trying to use that same file this time
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[21:18:47] <timeless> i don't have any free space for random swap volumes
[21:18:58] <richlowe> you can't dump on zvol anyway, you'd need a real swap slice.
[21:19:11] <timeless> this isn't on zvol
[21:19:18] <timeless> i learned that lesson the first time
[21:19:23] <richlowe> ah.
[21:19:33] <timeless> just a ufs file that's 0.5g
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[21:20:08] <timeless> anyway, would writing the full stack trace be useful (the zfs one)
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[21:20:42] <_william_> hi all
[21:21:02] <sommerfeld> yes
[21:21:13] <timeless> sommerfeld: ok, i'm back at the stack
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[21:21:36] <timeless> you asked about zio
[21:21:42] <timeless> this time there's nearly a screen of zio
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[21:22:08] <cmihai> Ah crap, is liveupgrade supposed to be this b0rken/
[21:22:17] <cmihai> Segmentation Fault - core dumped ;\
[21:22:24] <timeless> heh
[21:22:34] <timeless> cmihai: be happy, you aren't chasing a kernel panic
[21:22:35] <cmihai> God damn it, I just newfs'd another drive for it :(
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[21:24:01] <cmihai> Sigh, guess I'll have to do a DEAD upgrade now :(
[21:24:41] <jamesd__> cmihai, make sure you are wearing a garlic necklace when working with the dead to keep away the bad mojo spirits
[21:25:03] <cmihai> :))
[21:25:39] <andersmo> And dont forget to wave a dead chicken at the console between shell incantation.s
[21:26:14] <richlowe> cmihai: Did you read the liveupgrade flag day?
[21:26:53] <cmihai> You said something about kernel panics?
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[21:27:06] <cmihai> Well, it's worse:   /usr/sbin/newfs: No such file or directory :))
[21:27:17] <cmihai> Systems is foobar :)
[21:27:25] <richlowe> how'd you manage that?
[21:27:38] <cmihai> liveupgrade :)
[21:27:43] <cmihai> Worked fine until core dump
[21:27:57] <cmihai> ld.so.1: ls: fatal: relocation error: file /usr/bin/ls: symbol acl_get: referenced symbol not found 0_o
[21:28:17] <cmihai> All I did was lucrate bla bla, copying, core dump, bam :)
[21:29:03] <timeless> sommerfeld: one sec
[21:29:24] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1987
[21:29:52] <timeless> cmihai: that's my panic
[21:30:03] <timeless> sommerfeld: need anything from ::msgbuf?
[21:30:30] <cmihai> timeless: heh, fun.
[21:30:41] <timeless> cmihai: i'm used to it
[21:30:45] <timeless> i actually enjoy this stuff
[21:30:55] <cmihai> Yeah, I cut myself too.
[21:31:16] <cmihai> Part of the "fun" :)
[21:31:21] <sommerfeld> ok, that looks like the fix to 6354519 (when it arrives) would help reduce stack depth.
[21:31:48] <timeless> i presume there's nothing else to be had?
[21:31:59] <timeless> reboot and install or whatever?
[21:32:05] <cmihai> Well, I'm not using liveupgrade again, that's for sure. To bad I'll have to wait until tomorrow to reinstall / restore ;(
[21:32:25] <sommerfeld> yah, that's probably the best use of your time at this point...
[21:32:51] <cmihai> Hm, odd, even ssh doesn't work on that machine anymore.
[21:32:55] <timeless> ok, so what's the best way to keep my /etc settings but do an upgrade w/o livupgrade since i don't have space?
[21:33:31] <cmihai> Hope it works better for you :)
[21:33:54] * timeless needs to look into asking zpool to relinquish a portion of its pool
[21:33:59] <timeless> i presume i can tell it to do that
[21:34:22] <Error_404> zpool detach?
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[21:34:54] <timeless> i'm not using spares..
[21:35:11] <Error_404> mirrors?
[21:35:14] <timeless> no
[21:35:25] <timeless> just two disks in a pool
[21:35:29] <timeless> and i want to take the smaller one out
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[21:36:02] <timeless> i.e. i'd like zfs to move all my data to the other disks in the pool
[21:36:08] <timeless> and then let me have my disk back :)
[21:36:26] <Error_404> you could write the feature
[21:36:53] <timeless> not implemented eh? :(
[21:36:57] <sommerfeld> timeless: you can replace disks with other disks of equal or greater size.  you can reduce the replica count of a mirror.  but you can't remove arbitrary disks.
[21:37:29] <timeless> sommerfeld: is that a design or impl limitation?
[21:37:50] <Error_404> or resliver a pool so that if you add 2 disks it'll turn them plus your other disk in to a raidz
[21:37:51] <tomww> design is ok
[21:37:59] <Error_404> which is the feature *I'M* hoping for
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[21:39:20] <cmihai> Oh, right, there goes the kernel panic :)
[21:39:47] <cmihai> Right after it told me uname is a dir XD
[21:39:52] <timeless> heh
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[21:40:38] <sommerfeld> timeless: there are plans to remove this limitation in the future.
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[21:40:48] <richlowe> that sounds like FS corruption.
[21:40:56] <cmihai> richlowe: probably is.
[21:40:57] <richlowe> it actually sounds fairly like newfs'ing the FS you're currently using.
[21:41:03] <cmihai> find: stat() error /etc/coreadm.conf: I/O error
[21:41:28] <richlowe> I wonder if lucreate was foolish enough to let you do that.
[21:41:33] <richlowe> or is this a separate issue?
[21:41:51] <cmihai> richlowe: nope, I didn't newfs the one I was using. I'm pretty sure about that.
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[21:42:25] <richlowe> it's easy enough to do.
[21:42:34] <richlowe> either a direct typo, or a typo in /etc/vfstab.
[21:42:47] <richlowe> (since the raw-device lookup will look there, if the block and char device don't match, you're in for a world of pain)
[21:42:52] <richlowe> especially if you hit 'y' out of habit.
[21:43:33] <lasseoe> Solaris 10 11/06 downloadable images are located at the following URL: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/
[21:43:34] <lasseoe> woot!
[21:43:38] <cmihai> w00t!
[21:43:51] <cmihai> Oh, wait, I already w00ted about this. Meh.
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[21:44:07] <lasseoe> heh
[21:44:08] <Stric> and I've downloaded it
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[21:46:41] <cmihai> Shouldn't they call it 12/06 by now ;)
[21:47:18] <timeless> um, this is funny
[21:47:27] <timeless> Gathering upgrade information, please wait...
[21:47:33] <timeless> the progress meeter is moving
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[21:47:41] <timeless> but, i also have a dialog
[21:47:42] <timeless> Error!
[21:47:58] <timeless> Could not reinitialize system state. Please exit the installer and restart the installation.
[21:47:59] <timeless> OK
[21:48:12] <Stric> cmihai: the iso was built nov 20
[21:48:14] <timeless> how can it both be making progress and give me what seems to be a fatal error? :)
[21:48:55] <cmihai> The wonders of multitasking!
[21:49:18] <timeless> multitasking is me playing a game or browsing the web in BeOS while it installs the OS i the background
[21:51:07] <timeless> it's done gathering upgrade information :)
[21:51:21] <cmihai> What are you doing?
[21:51:30] <timeless> an install/upgrade from 49 to 53
[21:51:44] <cmihai> Heh
[21:51:46] <timeless> is "laughing at the silly installer" a better answer? :)
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[22:00:02] <Error_404> your BFU fingers broken?
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[22:03:59] <alanc> BFU breaks fingers for you
[22:04:17] <Error_404> i've never had problems with it
[22:04:40] <Error_404> I've bfu'ed every other build on my machine since O/N 31
[22:04:43] <dennis-> hmm, b53 crashes in vmware, anyone had that too?
[22:05:00] * timeless cries
[22:05:05] <alanc> and it's been years since I've had any reason to use BFU - I'm interested in upgrading Solaris, not just ON
[22:05:10] <timeless> the route could not be detected at this time
[22:05:44] <alanc> most of the interesting bits are outside ON, so not upgraded by BFU
[22:06:17] <Error_404> oh, i figgured out why I couldn't build O/N... finally
[22:06:25] <sickness> yeah, liveupgrading sxcr is the most inclusive option imho, you get all the kernel updates and the full man pages and so on...
[22:06:43] <Error_404> turns out my SFW consolidation was broken
[22:06:47] <sickness> I really prefer the flexibility of the opensolaris distros, but without manpages, it's a PITA :/
[22:07:46] <alanc> the first set of man pages should be coming soon, from what I heard at last week's program team meeting
[22:08:27] <richlowe> sickness: one would hope bits of man will open soon.
[22:08:30] <Error_404> alanc: free (as in free to copy)  man pages ?
[22:08:42] <richlowe> at least, the recent program-team notes suggest so.
[22:08:43] <sickness> well, I can only see this as a good thing :)
[22:08:50] <alanc> yes
[22:08:51] <dennis-> ah, it was related to vmware emulating two processors
[22:09:04] * richlowe is wondering how the test farm intends to work.
[22:09:10] <timeless>  dennis: it can do that? wow
[22:09:17] <Error_404> oh, well w00t then
[22:09:20] <richlowe> because it'd be real nifty if I could push a changeset to a scratch workspace, and have it auto-built/tested.
[22:09:49] <jamesd__> richlowe, they are going to get a couple  amish to maintain and plant the seeds and till it after each season ;-p
[22:10:35] * timeless frowns
[22:11:35] <sickness> is squid already included?
[22:11:41] <sickness> well, yet?
[22:13:24] * timeless frowns
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[22:23:18] <timeless> ok
[22:23:23] <timeless> upgrade install consistently fails
[22:23:32] <timeless> with that reinitialize message
[22:23:40] <Error_404> at least it's consistent
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[22:24:41] <sickness> lol
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[22:29:12] * timeless frowns
[22:29:23] <timeless> this is so confusing
[22:29:39] <timeless> i have a slice 7 w/ size 72136
[22:29:48] <timeless> the capacity is 76262
[22:30:27] <timeless> i set slice 0 to file system "/" and leave size blank
[22:30:32] <timeless> and it picks size 4704
[22:30:41] <timeless> leaving (in red) -602 M free
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[22:44:21] <timeless> trying to configure solaris into 4g is hard
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[22:47:36] <Error_404> timeless: solaris 10 end-user install? (not the developer or full install)
[22:47:45] <Error_404> that should fit in to 4gigs
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[22:50:17] <sickness> timeless: sxcr b53 full install (wothout locales and oem) is 3,5gb I think...
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[22:50:58] <richlowe> the easiest way to cut it down is to not install staroffice. :)
[22:51:26] <richlowe> that should lose you 500M-ish
[22:51:39] <sickness> what about gnome? if only there was a way to avoid that :')
[22:51:52] <sickness> like "full install MINUS gnome" option :P
[22:51:53] <sickness> ghgh
[22:52:00] <timeless> where's staroffice?
[22:52:11] <richlowe> SUNWsom, SUNWsogm, and a couple of others.
[22:52:15] <sickness> timeless: get over it, the dependencies would kill you ;)
[22:52:20] <timeless> are they interdependent?
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[22:52:24] <timeless> sickness: i don't have the space!
[22:52:28] <richlowe> removing JDS is more of a pain, since some non-gnome bits need it.
[22:52:36] <timeless> yeah, JDS is a pain
[22:52:39] <sickness> richlowe: yeah, that's the point :/
[22:52:41] <timeless> i just finished trying to tune it
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[22:53:01] * timeless doesn't see SUNWs
[22:53:12] <timeless> oh, it's "StarOffice"
[22:53:27] <sickness> yeah, grep for StarOffice
[22:53:42] <timeless> ok
[22:53:44] <timeless> that didn't help
[22:53:45] <sickness> this will kill your hopes to remove it now: application SUNWsogm                         GNOME Menu Integration for the StarOffice Office Productivity Suite
[22:53:46] <timeless> Error!
[22:53:55] <sickness> "gnome integration" - aka: pure evilness. =)
[22:53:56] <sickness> ghgh
[22:53:57] <timeless> The / file system must be at least 4452. Please enter a larger value.
[22:54:08] <timeless> what in the world does that mean?
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[22:54:30] <dwc-> it means your root fs is too small?
[22:54:50] <boyd> Morning, all
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[22:55:17] <timeless> dwc-: um
[22:55:18] <timeless> how so?
[22:55:30] <timeless> whether or not i tell it to install OpenOffice, it gives me the same exact size
[22:55:35] <sickness> i'd switch over belenix or nexenta =)
[22:55:44] * timeless grumbles
[22:55:48] <sickness> really more compact/clever layout of install =)
[22:55:49] <sickness> ghgh
[22:55:52] <timeless> nexenta's already running in a zone
[22:56:32] <boyd> is there a procedure you followed to do that, timeless?
[22:56:51] <timeless> boyd: eh?
[22:57:08] <timeless> as in you think it's a bug and you'd like steps?
[22:57:09] <richlowe> boyd: brandz, and sn1, I'd guess.
[22:57:20] <boyd> To get nexenta userland in a solaris zone? Or did I misunderstand?
[22:57:28] <timeless> brandz
[22:57:37] <timeless> it wasn't hard
[22:57:41] <boyd> richlowe: That's what I was thinking, but I thought I'd ask
[22:57:43] <timeless> i don't think i documented it
[22:57:52] <Error_404> brandz ?
[22:57:55] <Error_404> why?
[22:58:00] <timeless> why does apache web server depend on perl 5.6.1?
[22:58:07] <timeless> error: because i needed apt-get to work
[22:58:08] <boyd> timeless: Fair enough
[22:58:19] <Error_404> timeless: yes, but why brandz?
[22:58:23] <timeless> and i wanted apt-get to live in a zone because i was doing something *very* evil
[22:58:42] <timeless> the last thing i wanted to have happen was for apt-get to hose my system w/ a custom arm linux distribution
[22:58:45] <sickness> timeless: please, wasn't the solaris installer evil enough? :P
[22:58:45] <sickness> ghghgh
[22:58:46] <Error_404> nexenta runs an unmodified solaris kernel, no?
[22:58:47] <timeless> my system is x86_64
[22:58:58] <timeless> error: ?
[22:59:03] <timeless> how is that relevant
[22:59:13] <timeless> i'm using apt to do package retrieval
[22:59:16] <timeless> not installation
[22:59:19] <Error_404> is brandz not just for running a linux kernel api ?
[22:59:27] <timeless> no, that's lx brandz
[22:59:38] <timeless> which i also intended to use until i found nexenta worked well enough
[23:00:02] <Error_404> I was under the understanding that if you're using the solaris kernel, it's just a zone... brandz is for non-solaris zone
[23:00:03] <timeless> ok, stupid question, since this install doesn't seem to be working
[23:00:09] <timeless> no
[23:00:15] <timeless> lx brandz is for nonsolaris
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[23:00:18] <Error_404> eg bsd branded zone if anyone bothers to make one
[23:00:36] <timeless> well, err, maybe i suppose
[23:00:38] * timeless shrugs
[23:00:44] <richlowe> Error_404: sn1 is a test brand that pretends to be uname -r - 1
[23:00:47] <timeless> ok, maybe it's zones
[23:01:06] <Error_404> richlowe: perfect for oracle....
[23:01:07] <richlowe> but with a non-branded zone your installation methods are more limited.
[23:01:14] <Error_404> because oracle apparantly doesn't like snv
[23:01:31] <timeless> interesting
[23:01:50] <timeless> so, can someone explain why apache requires perl5.6.1?
[23:02:04] <Error_404> timeless: mod_perl is included?
[23:02:08] <bklang> I think apxs uses it
[23:02:14] <timeless> what's wrong w/ perl5.8.1?
[23:02:19] <bklang> or maybe htpasswd, somethin glike that
[23:02:24] <timeless> err 5.8.4 sorry
[23:04:30] <bklang> oh, it requires a downrev?
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[23:04:30] <timeless> yes
[23:04:30] <bklang> you got me
[23:04:30] <timeless> apache2 doesn't
[23:04:30] <richlowe> Error_404: ahl (I think), would probably kill you.
[23:04:30] * timeless picks 2 and moves on
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[23:04:30] <richlowe> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/ondev/
[23:04:30] <richlowe> last paragraph.
[23:04:31] * timeless rotfl
[23:04:31] <timeless> that's great
[23:04:31] <Error_404> richlowe: ahl?
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[23:05:04] <Error_404> richlowe: lol
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[23:06:33] <timeless> hrm, is there an easy way to read an existing installation's package list?
[23:06:33] * timeless wants to figure out what's different between this proposed configuration and the current one
[23:07:00] * elektronkind downloads 11/06
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[23:09:15] <richlowe> timeless: pkginfo, or nawk '!seen[$NF]++ { print $NF }' /var/sadm/install/contents
[23:09:41] <Tpenta> afternoon bill
[23:10:47] <timeless> richlowe: so, how do i take that and compare it with the strange list in the ui?
[23:11:40] * timeless frowns
[23:11:41] <timeless> this isn't going to work
[23:11:56] <timeless> i don't think i've properly backed up my system this time
[23:12:03] * timeless will try upgrading some other time
[23:12:06] * richlowe has forgetten how the install UI shows things.
[23:12:16] <richlowe> I kinda think it lists clusters rather than packages.
[23:12:23] <timeless> yeah
[23:12:29] <timeless> not that the clusters make any sense
[23:12:38] <timeless> since there seem to be random links between them
[23:13:13] <timeless> so, we decided that i can't use zpool while the installer runs
[23:13:18] <elektronkind> is there any trick to getting solaris 10 iso images from sdlc with wget or curl?
[23:13:34] <moazamraja> just cut/paste
[23:13:37] <moazamraja> with curl/wget
[23:13:41] <moazamraja> it works
[23:13:50] <richlowe> paste the URL, use -O with wget to avoid it trying to use a far-too-long filename.
[23:14:01] <timeless> i think he means all the extra pieces w/o having to copy each one
[23:14:05] <elektronkind> richlowe for the save
[23:14:13] <elektronkind> thanks
[23:14:14] <timeless> oh, just the -O bit? heh
[23:14:23] * timeless could have answered that (from snuday)
[23:14:59] <timeless> so, are there plans to ditch the solaris installer?
[23:15:20] <timeless> if not, it'd be nice if there was some way to export/import package lists :(
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[23:15:27] <richlowe> there's plans to replace, it yes.
[23:15:32] <richlowe> opensolaris.org/os/community/install
[23:16:03] <delewis> it's being replaced with something Ubuntu-like if I'm not mistaken.
[23:16:09] <delewis> at least that's the way Dave Miner described it.
[23:16:22] <delewis> JDS will be running during the install process
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[23:18:35] <timeless> i think atm all i want is import/export of package lists
[23:18:48] <timeless> (something i always wanted for cygwin's clunky installer too)
[23:19:16] <Error_404> I'm just waiting for zfs boot without boot partition hackage
[23:19:30] <Error_404> because my IDE controller isn't supported & is therefore painfully slow
[23:19:38] <Error_404> and my sata disk is a zpool
[23:19:41] <timeless> i think at this point my choices are:
[23:19:46] <timeless> 1. wait for zpool not to crash in the installer
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[23:20:05] <timeless> 2. wait for zfs to support removing disks from pools
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[23:20:25] <timeless> 3. wait for zfs root
[23:20:32] <Error_404> mind you, i guess i could put the /boot parition on a CF card
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[23:24:57] <Tpenta> I believe that the b53 gnome will have problems if the underlying hal stuff is not there
[23:25:04] <richlowe> pfhooks, tref, and others spring to mind, too.
[23:25:12] * timeless sighs
[23:25:20] <timeless> i want the b53 gnome stuff
[23:26:09] <Tpenta> yo're looking at putting a b53 userland into a zone arent you
[23:26:21] <timeless> not seriously, no
[23:26:33] <timeless> i was thinking about just running it from an alt root
[23:26:34] <Tpenta> if you have enough space for an altroot, the nlive upgrade the alt root
[23:26:34] <Tpenta> and activate it. if you have problems you reactivate the older
[23:26:36] <timeless> i only have space in zfs land
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[23:26:47] <timeless> see 1..3
[23:26:55] <Tpenta> ahhh
[23:26:58] <gisburn> 4...7
[23:27:08] <gisburn> 10...14
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[23:27:23] <richlowe> timeless: you forgot 1a "Fix zpool for yourself so you can do it"
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[23:27:37] <timeless> richlowe: always an option
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[23:27:39] <richlowe> it'll be fun!
[23:27:41] <richlowe> or something.
[23:27:51] <timeless> but right now i have real work i should do
[23:28:01] <timeless> i could try 2a too
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[23:28:14] <timeless> not sure which would be easier
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[23:32:34] <timeless> hrm
[23:32:40] <timeless> bad filesystem block size 7168
[23:32:43] * timeless wonders if that's bad
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[23:34:53] <gisburn> timeless: I would worry if the size is 666.666
[23:35:06] <timeless> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/backup/restore/tape.c#337
[23:35:40] <timeless> it wants a power of 2?
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[23:38:40] <Error_404> oh christ... it's snowing again
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[23:38:40] <Error_404> they *just* finished making the roads drivable again
[23:38:40] <tomas_> i have a quick question about logadm
[23:38:43] <gisburn> Error_404: you don't like snow ?
[23:38:52] <gisburn> Error_404: send it to me !
[23:38:55] <Error_404> gisburn: i don't like driving in snow
[23:39:01] <gisburn> bah
[23:39:07] <tomas_> i have /var/adm/messages rotated...and then it puts a -P 'date' option in logadm after its rotated
[23:39:17] <Error_404> my car's been a consant state of stuck for 2 months now
[23:39:19] <tomas_> example: -P 'Mon Dec 11 22:07:44 2006'
[23:39:22] <Error_404> occasionally i can get somewhere
[23:39:42] <tomas_> is there a reason why it puts that in the file? a way to prevent that from happening?
[23:39:57] <tomas_> i put a -p option in....
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[23:41:20] <schily> hi all
[23:41:51] <Error_404> yo
[23:42:27] <sickness> hi schily :)
[23:42:40] * timeless wonders if the text installer supports the same things as the gui installer
[23:42:56] <Error_404> timeless: it does, i never run the gui installer
[23:43:11] <gisburn> erm
[23:43:15] <sickness> timeless: it doesn't support install from nfs, I think...
[23:43:23] <timeless> i'm using a local dvd
[23:43:26] <delewis> sure it does.
[23:43:39] <gisburn> Error_404: if you never ran the gui installer yet... how do you know it is not different ? =:-) :-) :-)
[23:43:54] <delewis> otherwise Jumpstarts on servers that don't have framebuffers would be impossible.
[23:43:55] * timeless wonders how interactive text (desktop session) and interactive tet (console session) differ
[23:44:00] <Error_404> gisburn: I used it once, and unless they've added new options, nothing's changed
[23:44:30] <sickness> timeless: iirc in text console session, you don't have nfs install support...
[23:44:36] <delewis> sickness, read what I wrote.
[23:44:46] <delewis> that is not correct.
[23:44:47] <tomas_> well, guess -P is automagically added by logadm
[23:44:50] <timeless> what does "Desktop" mean? :(
[23:44:50] <tomas_> thx all
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[23:45:15] <sickness> delewis: jumpstart works, install from a flash archive that's on a remote nfs server works, install from a dvd that's shared from an nfs server not
[23:45:16] * timeless wonders if it means "you get X11 anyway, even though you're using a text installer"
[23:45:23] <sickness> delewis: same for an upgrade
[23:45:34] <delewis> sickness, then why do you say NFS install does not work?
[23:45:38] <delewis> what do you think Jumpstart is?
[23:45:39] <sickness> delewis: I tested this trying to upgrade a recent sxcr
[23:45:49] <alanc> timeless "Interactive text (Desktop)" is the text installer in an xterm
[23:45:49] <sickness> delewis: yeah ok, but it's not interactive...
[23:45:54] <delewis> yes it is interactive
[23:45:59] <delewis> unless you do Custom Jumpstart
[23:46:26] <sickness> I didn't try custom jumpstart...
[23:46:29] <delewis> Jumpstart is no different from installing by DVD-ROM, other than the fact you're booting off of the network via rarpd/and friends.
[23:46:39] <delewis> and the fact that you're packages on an NFS export
[23:46:56] <sickness> yeah
[23:46:59] <sickness> that should work
[23:47:09] <delewis> sickness, so you agree the "text installer" does support NFS?
[23:47:20] <sickness> but booting off the dvd-rom, selecting console text install, and trying to mount an nfs server, doesn't work, i'm sure
[23:47:33] * gisburn is away for 15mins
[23:47:52] <sickness> I'm not referring to the text installer per se, maybe it's an environment thing I don't know I'm a noob of those things
[23:47:55] <sickness> but
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[23:48:15] <sickness> booting from dvd media, selecting graphical install, and trying to mount an nfs server for install or upgrade, works
[23:48:21] * timeless tries interactive text/console
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[23:48:25] <sickness> if you do the same with the option 4. it doesn't work
[23:48:28] <sickness> try :)
[23:48:33] * timeless doesn't have nfs to play w/
[23:48:51] <sickness> I go to sleep now :)
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[23:53:57] <nachox> guys, anyone willing to give me a hand with a solaris issue? i just installed a solaris 10 in this laptop but it wouldnt boot, it shows the copyright info and restarts, i tried booting the debugger and running :c but i also reboots
[23:54:06] * timeless frowns
[23:54:18] <timeless> the installer is complaining that i'm lying to it about dns
[23:54:43] <stevel> yay man pages!
[23:55:09] <timeless> ?
[23:56:26] * timeless chuckles
[23:56:30] <timeless> No Help Available
[23:56:39] <timeless> The load of the help indexes failed. No Help is available.
[23:56:39] <nachox> hehe
[23:56:42] <timeless> F2_OK
[23:56:45] <timeless> how... helpful
[23:56:52] <stevel> timeless: sorry, was referring to the man page consolidation announcement
[23:56:59] <stevel> not to your specific issue :)
[23:57:12] <stevel> bad timing :) i probably sounded like a sarcastic asshole, apologies...
[23:57:35] * timeless grumbles
[23:57:46] <timeless> The Solaris Version (Solaris 11) on slice c2d0s0 cannot be upgraded.
[23:57:53] * nachox stabs stevel and hides the body
[23:57:58] <timeless> A file system listed in the file system table (vfstab) could not be mounted.
[23:58:19] <timeless> ok... so this is the *second* time that the text installer has told me more specifically what was wrong than the graphical installer
[23:58:29] <timeless> does the graphical installer have something against useful error messages?
[23:58:41] <nachox> graphics :)
[23:59:01] * timeless rotfl
[23:59:04] <timeless> Reboot
[23:59:10] <timeless> Please reboot the system.
[23:59:22] <timeless> There are inconsistencies in the current state of the system which only a system reboot can solve.
[23:59:24] <timeless> F2_OK
[23:59:31] * timeless sighs
[23:59:36] <cmihai> Hooray for upgrades.
[23:59:47] <cmihai> I gave up on the concept long ago...
[23:59:58] <cmihai> I'd rather do full installs and restore backups





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