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[00:14:54] <MikeE> Anyone running SXCR 53 yet?
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[00:15:31] <jbk> anyone know offhand if you add another nvlist to an nvlist, does it dupliate it, or does it copy it?
[00:15:50] <jbk> or should i go digging into the sources.. the man page isn't clear
[00:16:00] <MikeE> not a clue, sorry
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[00:29:17] <slowhog> hi, I been looking for information on how to afd
[00:29:54] <slowhog> oops, add ttf file in a fonts.dir
[00:30:21] <slowhog> mkfontdir does not seem to support ttf file
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[00:33:53] <molinero> Hi to all
[00:37:46] <jbalint> Hi
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[01:15:17] <pseudoXh4> Hi.
[01:15:25] <pseudoXh4> Is there DRI/DRM support on OpenSolaris?
[01:16:16] <Error_404> for some cards, yes
[01:16:50] <pseudoXh4> Intel i945?
[01:16:54] <pseudoXh4> 945GM*
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[01:26:50] <Error_404> i've got a 915 and it works
[01:26:55] <Error_404> ymmv
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[01:35:57] <pseudoXh4> Error_404, did the support come in the main dist?
[01:36:06] <pseudoXh4> Or did you have to download stuff?
[01:36:49] <springfield> is the output of mount garenteed over the *nixes?
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[01:37:07] <springfield> guaranteed*
[01:37:07] <delewis> uh, no
[01:37:23] <LeftWing> heh
[01:37:25] <delewis> mount is highly implementation-dependent.
[01:38:11] <Error_404> pseudoXh4: umm... build 52 i think it came in?
[01:38:13] <delewis> mount isn't even under POSIX
[01:38:26] <springfield> of course, why would it be anything else?!
[01:38:34] <pseudoXh4> Hmm.
[01:38:37] <delewis> ?
[01:38:43] <pseudoXh4> Would anyone know much about Intel 3945 wireless support?
[01:38:54] <pseudoXh4> I hear there's an NDIS wrapper that somehow manages to get it working?
[01:39:06] <springfield> delewis: I was responding to "mount is highly implementation-dependent"
[01:39:13] <springfield> albeit slowly :)
[01:41:54] <jamesd_> ah government powered science.... a count down to resumption of the countdown.
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[02:23:56] <coffman> pseudoXh4: pop out that card and put in a atheros based card, b53 supports the out of box and they are the only ones that support wpa atm
[02:24:15] <pseudoXh4> I don't use encryption.
[02:24:33] <pseudoXh4> Also, can't really afford getting another card. :P
[02:24:41] <coffman> aeh
[02:24:50] <coffman> they cost about 20 bucks
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[02:25:04] <coffman> and u spare they pain :)
[02:25:35] <pseudoXh4> :P
[02:26:31] <springfield> pseudoXh4: those intel wireless cards are bad for open source
[02:26:38] <pseudoXh4> I know.
[02:26:44] <pseudoXh4> Works fine on NetBSD though.
[02:26:45] <pseudoXh4> :\
[02:27:00] <springfield> with official firmware though?
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[02:27:12] <pseudoXh4> I believe so.
[02:27:18] <pseudoXh4> Not open source, I know.
[02:27:23] <pseudoXh4> But eh, gets the job done. :)
[02:27:32] <nprice> I looked online but wasn't able to completely discern it, are there any raid controller options for sun's line of x64 servers?
[02:27:56] <springfield> pseudoXh4: yea, I know but if you can aviod you should
[02:28:09] <springfield> pseudoXh4: just my 2 pence anyway :)
[02:28:14] <pseudoXh4> :)
[02:28:48] <coffman> pseudoXh4: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ there u should look
[02:28:59] <coffman> nprice: raid controller? for what?
[02:29:14] <nprice> for sun's line of x64 servers
[02:29:33] <nprice> if there is any option available when ordering a server, whether it's integrated or not available or what
[02:29:50] <springfield> as I was preaching at pseudoXh4 I could feel my trainers turning to sandels and my hair becoming long and scruffy
[02:30:29] <coffman> the x64 come with raid 1,0, 1+ 0 as far as i know
[02:31:20] <coffman> nprice: no raid 5 as far as i know
[02:31:42] <nprice> hmm
[02:32:11] <coffman> nprice: but for what would u need more then that?
[02:32:20] <coffman> only 4 disk in anyways
[02:32:35] <lasseoe> 3 disk raid5 and a hotspare :P
[02:33:08] <coffman> aeh
[02:33:11] <coffman> stupid?
[02:33:22] <lasseoe> very :)
[02:33:25] <nprice> hehe just want a raid1 array that isn't software-based or driver-based raid but actual honest-to-god raid
[02:33:49] <jamesd_> they have hardware raid controllers on board.
[02:33:54] <jamesd_> just no raid5
[02:34:01] <coffman> i think that lsi chipset should do hardware raid 1
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[03:13:03] <timelyx> richlowe: pong (again)
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[03:57:37] <icon> evening all
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[04:38:44] <ojpitre> exit
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[07:11:34] <ball> Does OpenSolaris offer SMP on UltraSPARC machines?
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[07:16:00] <jbk> ball: yes
[07:17:10] <ball> jbk: thanks
[07:17:25] <ball> I should check the minimum system requirements
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[07:23:18] <ball> hello Netwolf
[07:26:25] <ball> I'll read more after I've slept.
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[10:50:37] <bougie> hello :)
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[13:02:08] <setuid> When will be the firts instalable build on entire ZFS partitions?
[13:02:31] <setuid> I mean / = ZFS and /boot = ZFS
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[13:19:49] <dennis-> hey folks!
[13:20:10] <dennis-> is opensolaris capable of running as a xen guest os?
[13:21:12] <richlowe> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/
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[13:21:23] <dennis-> thank you rich!
[13:27:59] <timelyx> richlowe: pong
[13:28:30] <richlowe> timelyx: Hey, so, is there some way I'm missing to be default Cc'd on an entire bugzilla product, rather than just components thereof? :)
[13:29:08] <timelyx> there isn't
[13:29:09] <timelyx> sorry
[13:29:16] <timelyx> i'm very much opposed to such a thing
[13:29:21] <timelyx> most people use watching
[13:29:37] <timelyx> you can ask your bugzilla admin to hack support in, but it's a very very bad idea
[13:29:48] <timelyx> note that there are a few different definitions of default cc
[13:30:11] <timelyx> there's someone who becomes an official member of the cc list
[13:30:19] <timelyx> and there's someone who is added by bugzilla automatically
[13:30:28] <timelyx> imagine i have 2 products (relevant, irrelevant)
[13:30:45] <timelyx> if i'm added as an official cc to all bugs in relevant when they're filed, but not to bugs in irrelevant when they're filed
[13:31:04] <timelyx> what happens when a relevant bug is moved to irrelevant, and an irrelevant bug is moved to relevant
[13:31:21] <timelyx> i'm now getting mail for a bug i presumably don't care about and not for a bug i do care about (presumably)
[13:31:26] <timelyx> concern #2.
[13:31:49] <timelyx> what happens when i change from the Networking team to the Brandz team
[13:32:16] <timelyx> all of a sudden assuming i'm a real CC list member of all Networking bugs, I now have mail forever for hundreds of bugs I no longer care about
[13:32:49] <timelyx> the alternative is to watch people (e.g. default qa/assignee)
[13:32:53] <richlowe> Yeah, I could think of several larger issues with it in general use (not to mention probably volume).  But that doesn't always mean it's not possible, just that it's not so easy to find ;)
[13:33:08] <timelyx> yeah, volume is another thing
[13:33:15] <timelyx> it's on my list, but i like to explain general bugs first
[13:33:18] <timelyx> note that i
[13:33:26] <timelyx> *do* get at this point probably *all* mail from bmo
[13:33:33] <timelyx> it's a really really terrible idea :)
[13:34:51] <timelyx> the usual explanation i give to people on that front is that if they don't have the time/energy to manually add the watches for all the things they want mail for
[13:34:57] <timelyx> they *really* don't have the time/energy to read any of that mail
[13:35:15] <timelyx> so bugzilla is doing them a favor by forcing them to consider "do i really want to do this? it's hard to do this"
[13:35:20] <timelyx> but no one listens to me :(
[13:35:31] <lloy0076> PHP sucks donkeys toenails.
[13:35:34] * lloy0076 sigh
[13:35:56] <timelyx> anyway, the simple steps are:
[13:35:59] <timelyx> 1. get a gmail account
[13:36:03] <timelyx> 2. sign it up w/ bugzilla
[13:36:07] <dlynes_laptop> lloy0076: You don't like the feeling of fingernails scraping down a chalkboard?
[13:36:08] <timelyx> 3. enable *all* mail for it
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[13:36:19] <timelyx> 4. visit describecomponents.cgi for the products that interest you
[13:36:26] <timelyx> copy all those email addresses into a text editor
[13:37:08] <timelyx> 5. visit userprefs.cgi?tab=email again and paste that list into the watch field
[13:37:37] <timelyx> note that step 1 really shouldn't be changed or mutated
[13:37:48] <timelyx> You are currently using 2549 MB (91%) of your 2792 MB.
[13:38:32] <richlowe> Heh.
[13:38:59] <timelyx> i've relied on gmail doubling its allocation every april fools
[13:39:08] <timelyx> if it doesn't i projected i'd run out of space in 18months
[13:39:13] <timelyx> this year, i'm worried
[13:39:21] <timelyx> i might run out of space in feb or mar
[13:39:23] <richlowe> tiny bugzilla in this case.
[13:39:36] <timelyx> that's what they all say ;-). just wait :)
[13:39:40] <richlowe> though for some reason I hadn't considered just watching everyone else :)
[13:39:55] <timelyx> nothing wrong w/ asking the experienced people
[13:40:00] <timelyx> i've been abusing bugzilla for 7 or so years
[13:40:29] <lloy0076> dlynes_laptop: I take that back. One of my ex-colleagues FORGOT to check the error status on a move file function...so a whole set of files would randomly just disappear because one directory out of a few hundred had just accidentally been set with webserver NO WRITE permissions.
[13:41:00] <dlynes_laptop> lloy0076: regardless, php is huge pia
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[13:41:24] * LeftWing concurs.
[13:41:42] <dlynes_laptop> lloy0076: it's right up there with ASP and JSP
[13:41:49] <LeftWing> Hey, lay off JSP. =)
[13:41:57] <dlynes_laptop> lol
[13:42:09] <lloy0076> All the embedded scripting languages are a PITA.
[13:42:16] <lloy0076> Personally, I like TAL.
[13:42:19] <dlynes_laptop> not quite
[13:42:23] <dlynes_laptop> templating engines are pretty nice
[13:42:40] * LeftWing goes to sleep.
[13:42:45] <LeftWing> Night folks. &
[13:43:37] <timelyx> richlowe: anything else i can do for you? :)
[13:43:47] <timelyx> otherwise i'm going to work to install sxcr53, i think
[13:43:52] <timelyx> hrm, maybe i should try downloading it first
[13:43:57] <timelyx> and only go to work if it arrives
[13:44:38] <richlowe> I think that's it.  Thanks. :)
[13:46:12] <timelyx> glad to be of service, sorry about the latency. i have no idea when you pinged, it was probably friday (my short day)
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[14:51:21] <_william_> hi all
[15:15:02] <jteo> _william_, good day. :)
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[15:29:41] <richlowe> I wish whoever keeps moderating the spam through to zfs-discuss would stop.
[15:29:51] <timeless> heh
[15:29:58] <timeless> someone is approving the spam?
[15:31:04] <richlowe> I guess it's possible it's all from subscribers or *spit* jive.
[15:31:47] <richlowe> ah, no.
[15:32:12] <richlowe> it's the stupidity of the @sun.com rule biting their ass.
[15:32:17] * richlowe was wondering when that would happen.
[15:32:25] <timeless> ?
[15:33:08] <timeless> youch
[15:37:43] <dennis-> hmm, will pf be ported to opensolaris?
[15:45:40] <jteo> :)
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[16:16:21] <Fish> good bye
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[16:24:59] <_william_> hi jteo
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[17:10:47] <jlc> anyone currently here using root on zfs
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[17:19:29] <pseudoXh4> Anyone have that NDIS wrapper for Intel 3945 support?
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[17:22:16] <quasi> jlc: too much hassle - I use svm for / and zfs for the other bits
[17:22:21] <quasi> instead
[17:22:53] <jlc> doing a new install so thought I would play and was just looking for how I would do the hd slicing
[17:23:03] <jlc> http://solaristhings.blogspot.com/2006/06/zfs-root-on-solaris-part-2.html
[17:23:06] <jlc> found that
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[17:28:18] <quasi> there's also a part 3
[17:28:31] <dennis-> are there any plans to support encryption on zfs?
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[17:29:10] <quasi> dennis-: yes
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[17:30:00] <quasi> dennis-: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/zfs-crypto/
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[17:30:46] <dennis-> quasi: thx! :)
[17:31:29] <dennis-> hmm, seems like the project's a bit stale
[17:32:03] <quasi> dennis-: but not currently working - http://opensolaris.org/os/project/loficc/ is the only thing currently
[17:32:42] <quasi> dennis-: it just is far from finished
[17:33:32] <jlc> quasi: saw that, I was just curious how I should slice it up from an initial install
[17:33:38] <jlc> installing now, thanks
[17:35:27] <jlc> so that allows you to pretty much grow /usr /opt /var and anything under it right, just like how I use zfs on a file server
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[17:42:55] <sickness> evening all
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[18:53:44] <sol1> hi
[18:55:15] <sol1> i want to burn an iso so i right clicked and said write to cd but it says  no writer configured check ur setup
[18:55:28] <sol1> how do i do that ?
[18:58:54] <sol1> any idea ?
[18:59:45] <sol1> elektronkind: you there ?
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[19:20:25] <l0k> hmm do i need all the 6 iso to install express cd version?
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[19:23:31] <delewis> l0k, yes
[19:29:09] <l0k> ok
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[23:30:51] <dwc-> I coulda sworn solaris's ssh is openssh
[23:30:51] <twincest> it is, but they changed quite a bit
[23:30:51] <twincest> (it's a fork)
[23:32:25] <PerterB> on the plus side, they fixed up the PAM stuff a lot... on the minus side it can be hard to tell which bugfixes are integrated at any particular patchlevel
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[23:51:33] <pseudoXh4> Booting an OS off a pen drive is new?!
[23:51:35] <pseudoXh4> :\
[23:55:28] <PerterB> is it even possible? even if the BIOS supported it, and GRUB supported it (which I don't think it does) I didn't think Solaris' USB subsystem was initialised early enough to support root on a USB pendrive
[23:56:01] <PerterB> that's on x86... on SPARC forget it
[23:56:28] <pseudoXh4> Bleh, with Solaris it might be a bit of a new innovation, but it's been done with Linsux, NetBSD and all since forever...
[23:56:57] <pseudoXh4> But yeah, I think it's all about the BIOS.
[23:57:18] <PerterB> and the bootloader
[23:57:21] <pseudoXh4> On my PC the BIOS usually sees my USB drive as another hard drive and so I can give it boot priority in my BIOS.
[23:57:24] <g4lt-U60> PerterB, it hazs to be.  usb keyboards
[23:57:28] <pseudoXh4> I guess.
[23:58:19] <PerterB> g4lt-U60: point, but I also know you can't use a USB drive for SVM quorum because of the same issue, so keyboard/mouse may be a special case
[23:58:38] <g4lt-U60> USB has to be recognized at prom, otherwise the SB100 for one example would never boot at all





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