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[00:10:54] <Tpenta> anyone with knowlegde of the hal framework around?
[00:11:57] <Tpenta> I have an external usb disk with a fat32 and a zfs partition. I would have hoped the fast32 would be automatically mounted, but it isnt.
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[00:15:46] <Doc> sorry, i cant let you do that dave
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[00:30:00] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:33:43] <jmcp> hi boyd
[00:33:56] <boyd> How's The east coast over there?
[00:35:41] * boyd wonders why the SDLC can't just have *one* login url, so I don't have to keep teaching firefox my username/password
[00:38:43] <jmcp> boyd: not so bad today
[00:38:58] <jmcp> though I'm only getting around 20kb/sec from mpk to gordon
[00:39:06] <boyd> Do you have fires up your way? There's lots in vic I'm told
[00:39:31] <boyd> jmcp: Sun saving money by using modems now?
[00:41:23] <jmcp> boyd: no fires on this side of the Blue Mts.
[00:41:26] <jmcp> boyd: I do wonder
[00:41:35] <jmcp> it could just be the subnet I'm dhcp'd onto
[00:41:44] <Error_404> boyd: you could use bugmenot
[00:41:45] <Error_404> *shrug*
[00:41:59] <boyd> Not wireless is it? The wirelss at gordon is..... flakey at best
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[00:42:33] <boyd> Error_404: True... I don't really mind having a registration... If only I didn't have to type is so often
[00:42:59] <Error_404> I don't actually download from sun that much
[00:43:49] <boyd> It's nearly only SXCR for me...
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[00:46:30] <jmcp> boyd: nah, wired
[00:46:36] <jmcp> haven't got my punchin access yet
[00:46:43] <boyd> Ah
[00:46:58] <boyd> Hence not WFH
[00:47:41] <jmcp> yeah, not yet
[00:47:48] <jmcp> should get that happening next week though
[00:47:53] <jmcp> token card is apparently in the mail
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[01:53:45] <dclarke> hello
[01:54:11] <Error_404> ahoy
[01:54:24] <dclarke> hey man
[01:54:39] <Error_404> how's it going?
[01:54:45] <dclarke> busy busy
[01:55:26] <dclarke> currently testing GNOME 2.16 and also loading Debian linux onto the EFIKA
[01:55:45] <dclarke> spent all day yesterday being poked by doctors
[01:55:55] <dclarke> what day is today ?
[01:55:59] <dclarke> Tuesday ?
[01:56:04] <dclarke> Wednesday
[01:56:10] <jmcp> thursday for me
[01:56:12] <dclarke> geez .. I lost a day
[01:56:42] <Error_404> heh
[01:57:55] <jmcp> dclarke: yeah .. shame about that date line thingy too
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[01:59:22] <Error_404> why debian on the efika?
[01:59:29] <Error_404> why not one of the BSD's ?
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[02:00:13] <jmcp> Error_404: gotta have a baseline
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[02:00:32] <Error_404> jmcp, i don't follow...
[02:02:16] <dclarke> its the simplest one to get working .. thats why
[02:03:01] <Error_404> fair enough
[02:03:49] <dclarke> see www.efika.de
[02:04:57] <Error_404> would BSD really be that hard to get working? I'd assume no, but *shrug*
[02:05:29] <dclarke> no drivers yet
[02:05:36] <dclarke> not for this puppy anyways
[02:06:17] <Error_404> makes sense
[02:10:18] <Error_404> the drivers for the ODW are all open though, yes?
[02:10:34] <dclarke> totally
[02:10:45] <Error_404> okie, cool
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[02:11:56] <dclarke> well .. I can finally upload some pics of this thing doing something other than nothing
[02:12:05] <Error_404> gives me an excuse to play with openbsd some more
[02:12:22] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_6.jpg
[02:12:31] <dclarke> thats what I was getting
[02:13:39] <dlg> whats efika?
[02:13:44] <dclarke> yep
[02:13:51] <dclarke> slick little unit
[02:13:57] <richlowe> heh, this is going to be fun.
[02:14:13] <dclarke> oh .. sorry .. you said .. "whats"
[02:14:28] <dclarke> I thought you said "thats"
[02:14:28] <dlg> sorry
[02:14:31] <dlg> what is the efika?
[02:14:46] <dlg> oh, genesi
[02:14:52] * dlg loose interest immediately
[02:14:56] <dlg> lose
[02:15:01] <dlg> i suck at typing today
[02:15:09] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/System_map.jpg
[02:15:19] <dclarke> its that
[02:15:32] <dclarke> about the size of a pack of cigs .. a little bigger
[02:16:28] <Plaidrab> I'd like something like that to use as a Sunray server. :)
[02:16:46] <Plaidrab> It just seems wrong. :)
[02:17:37] <richlowe> pity the protocol is closed.
[02:17:57] * richlowe thinks a javastation as a sunray server would be close to the ultimate in that regard.
[02:17:59] <dclarke> I thought that Sun Ray was to be made open
[02:19:09] <dclarke> be back in a bit ...
[02:24:44] <Plaidrab> : cackles at Rich. Or maybe an Audrey?
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[02:44:17] <boyd> richlowe: If you're gonna go that small, what about putting the sunray server in the actual sunray. And then you could add a hard drive. And some more ram. and it would be, like you could have the whole computer on your desk! Wow!
[02:44:22] <richlowe> Gman: mornin'
[02:44:35] <richlowe> boyd: You and your modern thinking :)
[02:44:40] <boyd> lol
[02:44:40] <Gman> richlowe, hi
[02:44:46] <boyd> Hey gm152
[02:44:48] <boyd> err Gman
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[03:06:58] <cub> in zfs, how do I see which disks are being used by a zpool ?
[03:07:04] <richlowe> zpool status
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[03:07:23] <cub> thank you sir
[03:07:38] <boyd> I wish they were all so easy :)
[03:08:14] <cub> I found out the hard way that zfs is not supporting Oracle DB just yet
[03:08:37] <bengtf> is expert3d not supported in opensolaris ? having it installed crashes boot of install-cd build 53
[03:08:37] <elektronkind> how's that?
[03:08:45] <cub> created the zfs for the dba to put oracle RAC on and he's been fighting for almost a week , couldn't get it installed
[03:09:25] <elektronkind> sounds like oracle has a problem with zfs, rather than zfs has a problem with oracle
[03:10:11] <cub> well, i'm not going to tell the poor guy that i was the one created the problem  :P
[03:10:48] <cub> cuz he'll kill me
[03:11:32] <boyd> I can't imagine why oracle would care
[03:12:04] <boyd> In fact, I'm sure there are people on zfs-discuss who have been testing oracle on zfs
[03:12:20] <boyd> Oh, wait... RAC
[03:12:55] <boyd> Hmm... I think you need to use raw volumes, VxVM or SVM for that (and SVM only with SunCluster)
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[03:15:06] <boyd> Err... am I reading the clustertoc right... mysql is a member of SUNWCsip !?!
[03:16:36] <Error_404> hmm... sunCC runs a lot faster than gcc
[03:16:37] <Error_404> that's cool
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[03:16:51] <boyd> Better code gen too
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[03:18:54] <whaq> electronkind - hi there, did you blog about Sil 3132 Sata support on Solaris?
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[03:20:55] <boyd> Anyone got any suggestions on stuff I can leave out of a nevada install to easily reduce jumpstart time? Like staroffice
[03:21:36] <Auralis> staroffice, jds, iplanet, smc
[03:22:08] <boyd> It's a desktop, so jds is staying... appserver and message queue seem reasonable... apache too I guess
[03:23:26] <boyd> Staroffice is a bog win on time
[03:23:27] <boyd> err big
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[03:26:08] <elektronkind> appserver?
[03:26:21] <elektronkind> plan on deploying java servlets on your desktop?
[03:27:22] <Error_404> who doesn't?
[03:28:21] <boyd> I mean they seem reasonable to lose
[03:28:51] * boyd wonders how long before the whole freakin desktop is a java servlet (desklet?)
[03:29:51] <elektronkind> it would certianly make the J in "JDS" meaningful
[03:30:06] <boyd> ... if not desirable
[03:30:24] <elektronkind> oh I don't know about desirable
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[03:31:08] <boyd> I did say "not" :)
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[03:42:12] <richlowe> given JES->SES
[03:42:21] <richlowe> someone needs to talk them into JDS->SDS
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[03:47:42] <dwc-> "the network is the computer" ?
[03:55:42] <Error_404> hmmm
[03:55:52] <Error_404> sun web2.0-ified sun.com
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[03:59:02] <trs82> is it possible to make sun studio's cc error if you give it an unknown command-line argument?
[03:59:11] <richlowe> Error_404: they put the dot in dot-illconsidered-boom.
[03:59:19] <richlowe> sorry, I mean 'dot-com' and '2-dot-0', don't I?
[03:59:25] <Error_404> heh
[04:00:19] <Error_404> web2.0: because the people who were 16 when dot-bomb was around want part of the action
[04:00:57] <xinkeT> it works better in firefox
[04:01:10] <elektronkind> haha
[04:01:12] <elektronkind> http://blogs.sun.com/kevin/entry/imbarrassment
[04:01:48] <Error_404> heh
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[04:10:05] <boyd> Hehe
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[04:32:36] <boyd> trs82: It doesn't already?
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[04:42:26] <trs82> boyd: it gives a warning, but returns 0
[04:42:30] <trs82> so you can't test $?
[04:42:35] <boyd> yuck
[04:42:54] <boyd> Surely there is a "treat warnings as errors" option at least
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[05:20:25] <dmick> no Tpenta here eh
[05:21:08] <drbombay43> hello all, is this project consider stable
[05:21:34] <Error_404> stable as in "unchanging", not really
[05:21:42] <Error_404> stable as in "not crashing", yes absolutely
[05:21:43] <dlg> stable as in reliable, id say yes
[05:22:02] <drbombay43> I am trying to find a Linux alternative
[05:22:19] <Error_404> in that case, then yes
[05:22:27] <Error_404> solaris is orders of magnitude more stable than linux
[05:23:30] <drbombay43> my laptop is a Gateway M675 3.2 H/T intel
[05:23:39] <drbombay43> cpu
[05:23:48] <dlg> drbombay43: im so sorry
[05:25:09] <drbombay43> dlg, is that a polite way of saying not compatible
[05:25:27] <Error_404> no, it's a polite way of saying "intel sucks"
[05:25:33] <dlg> the cpu is supported
[05:25:38] <dlg> your devices might not be
[05:25:41] <Error_404> check bigadmin.com/hcl
[05:25:55] <Error_404> or just try it... i've not found any of my hardware that solaris doesn't work with
[05:26:02] <drbombay43> Error_404, thanks
[05:26:17] <Error_404> even though it's not in the HCL
[05:26:18] <dlg> Error_404: you're very lucky
[05:26:54] <jmcp> dmick: good to see you again
[05:27:02] <drbombay43> will I have to compile everything from source?
[05:27:13] <jmcp> drbombay43: not unless you really want to
[05:27:22] <Error_404> drbombay43: absolutely not
[05:27:52] <drbombay43> which window manager or can I choose?
[05:28:01] <jmcp> drbombay43: depends on what you want
[05:28:04] <Error_404> drbombay43: by default it's gnome or CDE
[05:28:05] <drbombay43> I prefer fvwm
[05:28:10] <Error_404> you can install anything you want though
[05:28:17] <dlg> drbombay43: maybe you should try openbsd then
[05:28:18] <jmcp> then you can certainly install that
[05:28:19] <Auralis> default is CDE and JDE, and you are free to install which ever you want
[05:30:11] <drbombay43> thank you to everyone here :), this is the type of community I'm looking for, #FreeBSD banned me for asking these same ?
[05:30:30] <jmcp> that's disappointing
[05:30:42] <drbombay43> your telling me
[05:30:57] <drbombay43> kind of hurt my fellings
[05:31:05] <drbombay43> feelings
[05:31:08] * jmcp nods
[05:31:36] <drbombay43> again thanks to all
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[08:34:06] <lorka> Howdy all, I am trying to do a netboot of a Sparc box off another solaris box, and Rarpd, tftp and bootparams all seem to be working, however when the machine boots, it stops after counting up to 38800 any idea what to do?
[08:36:16] <andersmo> lorka: take a look at snoop, and use snoop to take a look at what's happening on the network. =)
[08:37:12] <lorka> I have been,  i am thinking that it is a nfs problem, but I am able to mount it on another computer just fine
[08:37:51] <lorka> It is now getting to internet address is 192.168.0.55, however it still is hanging before booting the tftp image
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[10:20:25] <Berny> morning
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[10:23:10] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:29:56] <razrX> morning
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[10:39:32] <Tpenta> evening folks
[10:39:39] <Error_404> yo
[10:40:49] <Tpenta> anyone aroud who knows hal relatively well? Interesting issue with b3 and a usb disk with 2 partitions
[10:41:36] <Tpenta> umm b53 i mean
[10:42:21] <Error_404> it's a shame i have no idea how cyrus works or how to administer it
[10:42:28] <Error_404> Ivata would be a great thing to set up
[10:44:16] <Tpenta> anyway, it's late and I should go home
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[10:48:43] <Berny> hmm, how do i tell evolution to sync with my sun calendar server?
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[10:51:32] <calumb> haven't used it much, but don't remember a way to force it... you could always temporarily turn the sync interval down to 1 minute or something I guess (assuming you can change that after the initial account setup)...
[10:52:55] <Berny> here's the problem... how do i tell it i have a calendar account? :-)
[10:53:55] <Berny> ok got that one
[11:01:33] <whaq> what could be wrong.. I've installed a sata drive, dmesg shows sata NOTICE:/pci@0,0,/pci10de,5d@d/pci1095,313200, then port0: link established. But format -e doesn't show the new device..
[11:02:11] <dlg> you might have to run disks maybe?
[11:02:13] <lasseoe> whaqy: run devfsadm and try again
[11:02:29] <whaq> how to run disks?
[11:02:30] <whaq> ok
[11:02:41] <dlg> its just a command
[11:02:46] <dlg> it wraps devfsadm i think
[11:02:53] <lasseoe> heh "disks", old school :)
[11:03:04] <whaq> it doesn't do anything
[11:03:04] <Tpenta> devfsadm -v  is a bit more informative
[11:03:16] <dlg> well, it would be more informative on the first run
[11:03:24] <Tpenta> true
[11:03:38] <whaq> it adds some line in dmesg : genunix: [ID 773945 kern.info] UltraDMA mode 6 selected
[11:04:21] <whaq> still doesn't show on format -e
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[11:07:38] <whaq> Any other ideas on troubleshooting this problem?
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[11:10:42] <whaq> argh.. i hate this 'I'm screwed' feeling.
[11:11:33] <jengelh> just don't think of "I am screwed". Think "I am fucked"
[11:11:54] <whaq> that's slightly worse and much less technical.
[11:12:04] <jengelh> YMMV
[11:12:15] <whaq> it's more probable to unscrew something than unfucking it..
[11:12:51] <jengelh> you use undelete quite often, don't you?
[11:13:20] <whaq> hm no, but i take snapshots for precaution
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[11:29:16] <cla> movement: could you add me as a 'master' onbot on #opensolaris-pl/
[11:29:29] <cla> movement: plz :)
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[12:05:55] <coolvibe> chopin++
[12:06:07] <coolvibe> nice coding music :)
[12:09:02] <jmcp> nah ... Brahms and Bach for em
[12:09:02] <jmcp> me
[12:09:05] <jmcp> maybe Beethoven
[12:12:28] <coolvibe> vivaldi, also nice
[12:12:33] <coolvibe> 4 seasons or something
[12:12:43] <coolvibe> shostakovich
[12:12:55] <jengelh> four season is some pizza
[12:13:14] <jengelh> speaking of pizza, i should get one
[12:13:24] <coolvibe> jengelh: vivaldi was first :)
[12:13:33] <jengelh> seasons were before adam & eve
[12:16:42] <jmcp> shostakovich #9 is my favourite
[12:17:35] <whaq> vivaldi is nice for nap also :)
[12:17:53] <jmcp> whaq: yes. I do prefer Bach for coding though
[12:18:09] <jengelh> Coding? Whatever is on.
[12:18:12] <whaq> I agree
[12:18:17] <jmcp> unaccompanied violin Sonatas and Partitias, and unaccompanied cello Sonatas
[12:18:26] <jengelh> Sonice House and Hardcore here
[12:18:29] <jengelh> (for coding)
[12:18:38] <jengelh> anything else makes me think too long about a thing
[12:18:56] <whaq> How about faint sound of bloomberg in the background?
[12:19:35] <coolvibe> hmm... Bach...
[12:19:39] <jmcp> Bach helps me to tune out the crap that's going on around me
[12:19:44] <coolvibe> *queues it in the jukebox*
[12:20:00] <coolvibe> jcmp: Bach on organ? or strings?
[12:20:20] <jmcp> strings or organ
[12:20:23] <jengelh> Albinoni - Adagio for strings.ogg
[12:20:29] <jengelh>  Name: Adagio for Organ, Violin and Strings in G minor
[12:20:41] <jmcp> though the second movement of his double violin concerto is probably my most favourite piece ever
[12:20:59] <coolvibe> hmm, yeah I like that too
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[12:34:40] <jmcp> gman, Snake007uk: good evening
[12:34:46] <Gman> hi jmcp
[12:35:08] <Snake007uk> hey jmcp  :)
[12:35:19] <LeftWing> Tocata & Fugue.  Marvellous.
[12:35:32] <jmcp> LeftWing: JSB wrote many
[12:36:47] <LeftWing> in D Minor, then. ;P
[12:37:05] <jmcp> LeftWing: glad you could assist my pedantry :)
[12:37:18] <LeftWing> Only because it's attached to this MP3. =)
[12:37:44] <LeftWing> In the words of the Pythons, "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like."
[12:38:32] <jmcp> LeftWing: that's the words of a US SC judge on pornography "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it"
[12:39:05] <LeftWing> haha
[12:39:08] <LeftWing> Don'
[12:39:11] <LeftWing> t we all.
[12:39:36] <jengelh> he could have defined it: everything that lives under the future .xxx domain
[12:39:46] <LeftWing> jengelh: Which is repeatedly knocked back.
[12:39:52] <jengelh> unfortunately
[12:39:53] <jmcp> jengelh: I don't think they had the internet back then
[12:40:27] <LeftWing> jengelh: I support it from the perspective of being able to block small infants from viewing *.xxx -- but that implies there'll be some sort of regulation such that porn will all be moved into .xxx
[12:40:45] <LeftWing> Other than that it's just another cheesy TLD.
[12:40:59] <LeftWing> Which, I suppose, I'm also not wholly against based on how polluted the namespace is getting.
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[12:41:18] <jengelh> yeah but you could finally block a whole tld for the first time without worrying to limit anyone ^_^
[12:41:30] <LeftWing> heh
[12:42:11] <solarx> *
[12:42:16] <LeftWing> !
[12:42:21] <solarx> !
[12:42:24] <LeftWing> #
[12:42:24] <jengelh> @
[12:42:29] <solarx> `
[12:42:30] <LeftWing> |
[12:42:35] <solarx> #
[12:42:47] <LeftWing> ^
[12:42:56] <solarx> #include
[12:43:03] <LeftWing> import
[12:43:04] <jengelh> #include <stfu>
[12:43:21] <LeftWing> Sage advice.
[12:43:26] <jengelh> hmm
[12:43:32] <solarx> cat /proc/hello
[12:43:37] <jengelh> File not exist
[12:43:57] <solarx> "File not exist" : command not found
[12:44:10] <jengelh> your solaris fails it
[12:44:33] <solarx> your solaris fails : command not found
[12:44:47] <jengelh> rm -Rf /[a-z]*
[12:45:21] <solarx> rm -R/[a-z]* : not in PATH variable
[12:45:42] <jengelh> you can't even type, loser. heh. oh well. time for food finally
[12:46:03] <solarx> let's stop
[12:46:11] <solarx> talk seriously now
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[12:48:32] <solarx> I created a link to my fat partition that I can mount under solaris. When I deleted the link, it deleted also all files in my partition !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:48:48] <solarx> nonsense
[12:49:19] <jengelh> http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7324/omg1ro0.png
[12:49:47] <jengelh> i hope you just quoted someone else
[12:49:51] <LeftWing> omg!!1!one!eleven!
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[12:50:04] <jmcp> solarx: that's what an "rm -rf" will do for^Wto you
[12:50:28] <jengelh> it's not what rm -Rf can do for you, but what you can do for your rm
[12:51:27] <solarx> no it was deleted before you made an rm -Rf
[12:52:42] <solarx> I don't understand why the fat partition was affected
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[12:55:55] <whaq> Si3124 + raidz + port multiplier = stalls every 10 seconds :(
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[14:07:14] <tim_> hey..
[14:07:23] <tim_> I need some help..
[14:08:36] <trygvis> just ask
[14:09:02] <tim_> how do i change my screen resolution ?
[14:09:11] <tim_> i have an nvidia graphics card and a 17" monitor.. It was all detected during install and now i only get a 640x480 resolution
[14:09:41] <tim_> I installed solaris today for the first time..
[14:10:41] <tim_> also i need to get my audio system working and also my broadband connection
[14:10:49] <tim_> trygvis: hey..
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[15:08:18] <jteo> wb Gman
[15:10:08] <Gman> hi jteo
[15:10:21] <jteo> still on the road?
[15:13:34] <Gman> sorta
[15:13:49] <Gman> on holiday/sick leave right now
[15:14:13] <jteo> oh. hope you get well soon enough to enjoy your hols.
[15:14:14] <jteo> :)
[15:14:32] <Gman> just trying to get better for my brother's wedding tomorrow
[15:14:47] <jteo> oh. hope that goes well!
[15:15:24] <Gman> thanks
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[16:41:41] <tomww> nv54 is ...
[16:41:44] <tomww> out
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[16:52:54] <vignesh> hi!
[16:54:33] <vignesh> i need some help in configuring my lan card..
[16:56:39] <vignesh> hello !
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[16:58:15] <sickness> how much time for a dd between 2 200gb sata disks?
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[17:22:08] <jteo> elektronkind, your bug problem does look like 6421427.
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[17:24:35] <elektronkind> yeah. just want to make sure before I start chasing the wrong thing
[17:25:00] <elektronkind> except in my case there's no nfs involved
[17:25:22] <jteo> i'm suspecting mysql -> fsync -> zfs -> ata_wait
[17:27:00] <elektronkind> that's my guess on what mysql's doing, too
[17:27:13] <elektronkind> and tickling that zfs sync storm bug
[17:27:29] <elektronkind> which is compounded by the ata bug
[17:27:32] <jteo> it's a bug in the sparc ata driver rather.
[17:27:34] <bougie> hello :)
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[17:47:47] <stevel> lol
[17:47:51] <stevel> i think someone pulled a stevel'
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[18:02:51] <brandini> YEOW
[18:02:57] <brandini> zfs porting hurts my head
[18:03:21] <brandini> from the end of llib-lzpool 'extern uint64_t zio_gang_bang;'
[18:03:22] <brandini> heheh
[18:06:41] <movement> to bsd?
[18:07:47] <brandini> yes
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[18:53:00] <stevel> alanc: ping
[18:53:07] <alanc> pong
[18:53:21] <stevel> i just LU'd to snv_54, but can't seem to login..
[18:53:27] <stevel> when i login, it says my session lasted <10 seconds
[18:53:33] <stevel> the errour dialog shows it trying to run xsm
[18:53:34] <stevel> which it can't find
[18:53:47] <stevel> something also suspicious is that my list of sessions shows "gnome.desktop" instead of JDS
[18:54:01] <alanc> using gdm?
[18:54:06] <stevel> and looking at the Xsession file, xsm looks like a failsafe
[18:54:08] <stevel> yeah, gdm
[18:54:15] <alanc> I think that's a gdm bug - yippi would know better
[18:54:30] <alanc> (we've never gotten around to shipping xsm - probably should)
[18:55:02] <stevel> hrm.
[18:55:05] <stevel> yippi: ping :)
[18:56:18] <bengtf2> I am installing snv53, and I had to remove the expert3d card from the blade100 to get os to boot from cd, is there any new problems, it seems to have been working earlier ?
[18:56:49] <stevel> alanc: do you know where the gdm sessions are located that it looks for?
[18:57:04] <alanc> not off hand
[18:57:20] <stevel> ah
[18:57:22] <stevel> /usr/share/gdm
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[18:57:59] <yippi> stevel, whats up?
[18:58:30] <stevel> yippi: see scrollback :) i just LU'd to snv_54, and i can't seem to login to JDS
[18:58:51] <yippi> stevel, the "gnome.desktop" and xsm issues have been fixed in build 55
[18:58:56] <yippi> or will be fixed
[18:59:10] <stevel> yippi: anyway i can get snv_54 to log me in? can you point me at a workaround
[18:59:19] <yippi> xsm is now xterm and it pops up a zenity error when it is failing and going to run xterm
[18:59:34] <yippi> you mean you can't get snv_54 to log you in?  :)
[18:59:42] <stevel> nope, it says my default session lasted <10 seconds
[18:59:46] <yippi> right
[18:59:54] <yippi> when you click on the little checkbox is there a useful message?
[18:59:59] <yippi> can you log in as root user?
[19:00:04] <yippi> or does it fail for just you?
[19:00:05] <stevel> i can login as root to the failsafe JDS
[19:00:10] <stevel> it just fails for my regular user
[19:00:19] <yippi> does failsafe work for your user?
[19:00:19] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
[19:00:22] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/openwin/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "stevel"
[19:00:25] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
[19:00:27] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Cannot find Xclients
[19:00:29] <stevel> "Cannot find Xclients"
[19:00:32] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: xsm
[19:00:35] <stevel> /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession[273]: xsm:  not found
[19:00:36] <stevel> is that fatal?
[19:00:44] <yippi> what session are you trying to start?
[19:00:48] <stevel> gnome.desktop
[19:00:55] <yippi> no that's not fatal.  it seems like you are picking the "default system"
[19:00:56] <stevel> i haven't tried the failsafe for my user yet
[19:01:00] <yippi> choice
[19:01:03] <yippi> try failsafe for your user, does that work?
[19:01:10] <yippi> then try picking gnome.desktop and see if that works
[19:01:19] <stevel> that won't f- up anything in my GNOME settings or registry will it?
[19:01:29] <yippi> i wonder if you are really running "default system session"
[19:01:38] <stevel> i tried gnome.desktop and default
[19:01:46] <yippi> what does it say with gnome.desktop?
[19:01:56] <yippi> the above messages correspond with default system session
[19:02:04] <yippi> i'd expect other messages with gnome.desktop
[19:02:16] <stevel> same thing
[19:02:17] <yippi> the issue with default system session is a known issue
[19:02:26] <yippi> does it work with failsafe for your user?
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[19:02:34] <stevel> i'll try in a minute
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[19:03:43] <stevel> okay, trying now
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[19:04:45] <stevel> well that's odd, now gnome.desktop worked
[19:05:40] <yippi> i'd expect gnome.desktop to work
[19:05:55] <yippi> i'd expect the error you were seeing to happen with "default system session"
[19:05:58] <yippi> perhaps you were just using that
[19:07:28] <stevel> nope, i definitely tried gnome.desktop the first couple of times
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[19:09:31] <yippi> that is strange
[19:09:36] <yippi> let me know if you see further troubles
[19:09:40] <stevel> will do
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[19:18:34] <sahafeez> i go away for 18 hrs and there are 2181 unread msg. ;)
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[19:25:15] <onbot> commit by Robbin Kawabata:  6498295 zdump loops on x86
[19:25:32] <cubb> anybody here used  v480 before ?
[19:25:56] <cubb> having a good deal on it, just need opinion before buying
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[19:27:16] <andersmo> v480s? We've got a bunch of them running the Important Stuff(tm) where I work. Pretty solid hardware.
[19:27:50] <cubb> andersmo: they're discontinued,right ?
[19:28:51] <andersmo> cubb: uhm, not sure. What does sun.com say? =)
[19:30:28] <andersmo> Seems like they've been replaced by the 490.
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[19:31:08] <andersmo> Which is mostly the same machine, but with some upgrades like dual-core sparc processors.
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[19:34:42] <b0on> i'm having some problems getting an ip address change to stick to my nic
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[19:44:48] <darrenm> b0on: you using dhcp or static ?
[19:44:58] <darrenm> when does it not "stick" - on reboot ?
[19:45:23] <b0on> ya
[19:46:06] <elektronkind> woo onbot
[19:46:13] <elektronkind> finally it speaketh
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[19:46:38] <darrenm> b0on: static or dhcp
[19:46:46] <jengelh> static dhcp :P
[19:47:27] <darrenm> b0on: did you put something into /etc/hostname.<if> eg /etc/hostname.bge0 ?
[19:47:32] <darrenm> is it a name or an ip address ?
[19:47:42] <darrenm> if a name is there a corresponding entry in /etc/inet/hosts ?
[19:47:54] <darrenm> which release/build you running ?
[19:48:51] <b0on> ip addy
[19:48:53] <b0on> i think i  got it
[19:48:57] <b0on> but now hwen i reboot
[19:49:15] <b0on> i get tons of warnings that the old ip address is trying to be the ip address of hte mac addy
[19:49:31] <b0on> solaris 10 but i come here b/c the guys in teh solaris channel are rude
[19:50:47] <darrenm> the "officially supported" way todo this is sys-unconfig and reboot then answer the sysid questions - but that is a bit heavy weight
[19:51:18] <b0on> heavyweight as in time consuming?
[19:52:36] <b0on> i'll go the sys-unconfig route
[19:52:38] <b0on> thanks
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[19:54:39] <darrenm> yes because it needs 2 reboots to do it
[19:55:08] <darrenm> one at the end of the sys-unconfig and another after you have set the new values.  It doesn't actually need to do it that way but the code does it that way
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[19:58:30] <phili1> hello, is the  latest SXCR build is 53 already out? I could find it
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[20:05:44] <b0on> wow.. when it rebooted, and asked me the locale, the one i needed went off hte screen
[20:05:58] <b0on> and after that.. the text redraws and everything were way funky
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[20:20:50] <springfield> hi all
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[20:33:13] <pizdec> hi everybody! do we have U3 release date from Sun?
[20:34:52] <pizdec> as in Solaris 10 U3
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[20:44:11] <darrenm> pizdec: ask Sun not #opensolaris
[20:44:38] <pizdec> thanks darrenm
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[20:44:59] <pizdec> exactly what i sought
[20:45:16] <pizdec> i was looking more like for rummors :)
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[20:48:08] <Error_404> it's not apple, people don't sit around biting their nails worrying about when whatever new product comes out
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[20:54:36] <elektronkind> I am, if only for the zfs patches so I can schedule down time
[20:54:43] <elektronkind> preferably over the holiday
[20:55:11] <Error_404> isn't zfs in U2 anyways?
[20:55:25] <elektronkind> it is, but some fixes I want are not
[20:56:22] <pizdec> well, i am just thinking about upgreades and all, since U3 is middle of December [or is it Dec 17?] i just hink about waiting untill i put it on jumpstart
[20:56:36] <pizdec> the only juicy thing is iscsi target
[20:56:47] <elektronkind> that won't be in u2 I think
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[20:56:58] <elektronkind> err u3
[20:56:59] <pizdec> elektronkind, and then we wait till jul 2007 for root on zfs
[20:57:17] <pizdec> eh
[20:57:20] <elektronkind> iscsitgt isn't fully baked yet
[20:57:32] <pizdec> i thought it was
[20:58:36] <elektronkind> it still needs some additional protocol implementation
[20:58:54] <elektronkind> it works in a basic sense (with some outstanding bugs)
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[20:59:06] <elektronkind> and you may even be able to compile it on u3
[20:59:38] <elektronkind> but I have not seen word that it'll be integrated into solaris 10 with update 3
[20:59:39] <pizdec> aye
[20:59:43] <pizdec> my mistake
[20:59:59] <pizdec> u4 it is on opensolaris page
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[21:15:24] <bumm> ZFS question:  if I have a zfs setup for drive4 and drive5.  I want to reinstall the OS on drive 1 and 2.  Will the data on the ZFS setup be blown away ?
[21:15:41] <bumm> it's a raid-0 zfs setup btw
[21:16:08] <elektronkind> shouldn't be. you select the drive(s) you want the installer to touch. just don't select the zfs drives
[21:16:31] <elektronkind> once your new install is booted up, run 'zpool import <poolname>'
[21:16:39] <elektronkind> and you're back in bidness
[21:16:48] <bumm> elektronkind, woahh..that simple ?
[21:16:53] <elektronkind> yah wai
[21:17:20] <bumm> but how does the newly installed OS know anything about the zfs setup from the OS that was wiped out ?
[21:17:27] <bumm> it's not a hardware raid
[21:17:36] <elektronkind> it doesn't. it probes the drives it sees.
[21:17:48] <elektronkind> the zfs configuration is stored on the drives themselves.
[21:17:51] <pizdec> zfs export - right ?
[21:17:58] <pizdec> zpool export
[21:18:21] <elektronkind> well zpool export will release the zfs pool from control of the system you run that on
[21:18:28] <elektronkind> zpool import brings them back in
[21:18:38] <bumm> so according to pizdec, I have to do the export first before blowing the OS away
[21:18:41] <pizdec> ah
[21:18:48] <elektronkind> you don't /have/ to export
[21:18:54] <elektronkind> but it doesn't hurt to, either
[21:18:55] <pizdec> i see, so no zpool export required before reinstall
[21:19:00] <elektronkind> right
[21:19:12] <bumm> elektronkind, thank you so much
[21:19:20] <elektronkind> if it was required, that would be a big hit against the usefulness of zfs
[21:19:46] <twincest> if you don't export you have to import -f
[21:19:47] <elektronkind> I upgrade my home box which has zpools without exporting, and then import them later with no problems
[21:19:48] <pizdec> another question - i have several T3 's  in production - do I RAID them under T3 management or do i give all fc-al drives separate to zfs ?
[21:19:54] <twincest> because zfs doesn't know that the pool isn't in use
[21:20:07] <elektronkind> oh yeah, zpool import with -f
[21:20:12] <elektronkind> forgot that bit
[21:21:00] <elektronkind> pizdec: depends largely on how you want to use those T3s
[21:21:39] <elektronkind> for example, I have two fc raid arrays, and my hosts have a LUN on each, and the host (via SVM or ZFS) mirrors between the two
[21:22:08] <elektronkind> having the T3 do RAID itself would further help with resiliency
[21:22:11] <pizdec> i have MPXIO on T3s
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[21:24:17] <pizdec> u2 zfs has hotswaps?
[21:24:30] <elektronkind> no, that will be in u3
[21:24:34] <elektronkind> along with raidz2
[21:24:38] <pizdec> aye
[21:25:06] <pizdec> the u3 corresponds to which nevada release? 50? 49?
[21:25:07] <elektronkind> yeah, hot spares and raidz2 are the two big new features for ZFS in update 3
[21:25:42] <elektronkind> oh gosh, I don't know. roughly build 40 I would say.
[21:25:59] <pizdec> now - for really big question - i got zpool on 6T3s - how do i remove one from pool ?
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[21:26:57] <elektronkind> you're saying you have six T3's, and a LUN from each make up one zpool on one of your servers, right?
[21:26:57] <sol1> i need to configure my lan card so i can connect to the internet
[21:27:08] <pizdec> yes
[21:27:27] <elektronkind> hmm, and you want to know if you can remove one of those LUNs from a zpool, right?
[21:27:32] <pizdec> for some reason only the first two are blinking
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[21:28:00] <pizdec> i have to dig more into zfs internal works for my knowlege
[21:28:08] <elektronkind> paste the output of 'zpool status' to http://pastebin.ca
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[21:31:16] <brandini> is it pretty common to just use a bunch of nice drives in a standard config with zfs or do people attach them to controllers first?
[21:31:46] <elektronkind> don't all drives need to be attached to a controller? ;)
[21:31:57] <brandini> s/controller/raid controller
[21:32:18] <andersmo> ZFS was designed to excel when given a bunch of raw disks, at least.
[21:32:28] <brandini> that's what I was after
[21:32:49] <brandini> so if I buy a little enclosure with 20+ disks and let zfs have fun... I'm using it like it was designed to be used :)
[21:32:58] <andersmo> brandini: buy a SunFire x4500? =)
[21:33:03] <elektronkind> problem is, is that most JBODs out there are DAS and not SAN-based
[21:33:16] <brandini> I will be getting a 4500
[21:35:56] <brandini> right as soon as I sell my house
[21:37:01] <elektronkind> you can have one for 60 days for free at least ;)
[21:37:14] <brandini> hehe
[21:37:58] <sol1> i need to configure my lan card so i can connect to the internet
[21:38:04] <sol1> But while booting i pressed Esc and saw the list of devices and it contained an entry DEC FASt ethernet driver
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[21:38:10] <sol1> 21142/21143
[21:38:17] <sol1> also dnet0 is there in /dev and while installing solaris the installer detected the card as dnet0
[21:38:38] <sol1> but ifconfig -a only displays lo
[21:38:44] <elektronkind> can you run 'ifconfig dnet0 plumb' ?
[21:38:57] <sol1> it says bad address
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[21:40:22] <sol1> elektronkind: any idea ?
[21:40:30] <_william_> hi all
[21:40:59] <sol1>  please help me.
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[21:41:18] <elektronkind> sol1: hmm. have you checked the hardware compatibility list to make sure your particular interface has a driver?
[21:41:25] <sol1> yes
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[21:42:58] <sol1> Its an intel card
[21:43:15] <elektronkind> that wouldn't be dnet then..
[21:43:43] <elektronkind> what is the description given by /usr/X11/bin/scanpci ?
[21:43:54] <sol1> i didn`t try that
[21:44:07] <sol1> shall i try that and be back ?
[21:44:10] <elektronkind> you want to get the PCI ID of it
[21:44:15] <elektronkind> yeah
[21:44:38] <sol1> will u be here please ? I am using a live cd now.. i have to reboot to solaris
[21:44:52] <elektronkind> you should see two lines regarding that card - one beginning with "pci bus...."
[21:44:58] <elektronkind> and then the description of the card below it
[21:44:59] <sol1> ok..
[21:45:03] <sol1> Fine..
[21:45:10] <elektronkind> know those two things are important
[21:45:11] <elektronkind> :)
[21:45:15] <sol1> be back in a jiffy
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[21:45:21] <brandini> Yay!
[21:45:54] <elektronkind> you burned out your hard drive firmware?
[21:46:01] <brandini> I did?
[21:46:16] <elektronkind> oh, wonder what the yay was for :)
[21:46:34] <brandini> my HD's are nice
[21:46:40] <brandini> I'm working on porting zfs to openbsd
[21:46:48] <brandini> it's a chore
[21:47:02] <elektronkind> I'm sure it is
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[21:50:13] <brandini> I am making progress however
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[21:53:26] <sol1> elektronkind: hey
[21:53:29] <brandini> sol1!!!!!!
[21:53:42] <sol1> i will just type what i found
[21:54:11] <brandini> I will just read what you type
[21:54:35] <sol1> pci bus 0x0001 cardnum 0x08 function 0x00 vendor 0x1011 device 0x0019
[21:55:01] <sol1> Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43
[21:55:09] <elektronkind> ah, so PCI vendor 1011, product 0019
[21:55:20] <sol1> ok..
[21:55:33] <brandini> excellent
[21:55:45] <elektronkind> so it's tulip indeed.
[21:56:27] <sol1> i don`t understand what a tulip is.. Today is the day i install solaris for the first time
[21:56:33] <elektronkind> grep 1011 /etc/driver_aliases
[21:56:37] <tomww> dnet "pci1011,19"
[21:56:47] <sol1> i have to type these ?
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[21:57:11] <elektronkind> ...as tomww points out, that pci device ID is truely supported by the dnet driver
[21:57:18] <sol1> ok..
[21:57:19] <elektronkind> er truly
[21:57:30] <elektronkind> so, that fact is now established
[21:57:32] <sol1> so what happens when i type this command
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[21:57:40] <sol1> what fact ?
[21:57:55] <elektronkind> that the dnet driver supports your card
[21:58:00] <sol1> oh..ok
[21:58:15] <sol1> so once i type these 2 commands what do i do ?
[21:58:16] <elektronkind> and the ID of your card is known. it's good to know what hardware you're working with :)
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[21:58:35] <sol1> i am a complete newbie so please bear with me
[21:58:45] <brandini> heh
[21:58:55] <elektronkind> you said 'ifconfig -a' returned only the loopback interface, and when you ran 'ifconfig dnet0 plumb' it said "bad address" ?
[21:59:04] <sol1> yes
[21:59:06] <brandini> so when is opensolaris going to change their license to something we can all agree on?
[21:59:16] <tomww> hey could try: ifconfig -a plumb
[21:59:24] <elektronkind> I can agree on cddl
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[21:59:30] <tomww> and after that: ifconfig -a  to see, what cards have been aktivated
[21:59:33] <sol1> actually i ran ifconfig plumb dnet0
[21:59:48] <alanc> brandini: that assumes there exists "something we can all agree on" which is provably impossible
[21:59:52] <elektronkind> well that would matter :)
[21:59:58] <alanc> just witness BSD vs. GPL/Linux
[21:59:59] <elektronkind> ifconfig <interface> <command>
[22:00:07] <sol1> Oh..ok
[22:00:09] <Triskelios> sol1: why did you do that?
[22:00:19] <sol1> err .. sorry
[22:00:28] <elektronkind> sol1: do you want a static IP on that interface or a DHCP one?
[22:00:32] <sol1> ok..so i again reboot and try these commands
[22:00:38] <sol1> static ip
[22:00:38] <alanc> or GPL2/Linux vs. GPL3/FSF
[22:00:55] <sol1> i have the ip ,gateway,dns and all provided by my isp
[22:00:59] <brandini> alanc: yeah, I know
[22:01:07] <elektronkind> ok. when you reboot into solaris, make a file called /etc/hostname.dnet0 and put the IP you want that interface to have in it.
[22:01:14] <brandini> but it looks like cddl is trying to do things that mit or bsd license already do
[22:01:27] <elektronkind> such as: echo "xxx.xxx.xxx.xx" > /etc/hostname.dnet0
[22:01:30] <sol1> ok..
[22:01:34] <sol1> fine
[22:01:44] <Triskelios> put the gateway in /etc/defaultrouter
[22:01:46] <brandini> and I think it'd be easier to get opensolaris stuff from BSD guys
[22:01:49] <elektronkind> and then make a file called /etc/defaultrouter with the default gateway IP addresss in it
[22:02:03] <alanc> CDDL is a generic form of the Mozilla license, a middle ground between the "share all your changes" requirements of the GPL and the non-viral properties of MIT/BSD
[22:02:04] <elektronkind> such as: echo "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" > /etc/defaultrouter
[22:02:08] <sol1> ok..
[22:02:12] <sol1> then.
[22:02:17] <sol1> dns ?
[22:02:18] <brandini> alanc: sort of
[22:02:39] <Tpenta> anyone here familiar with the hal framework?
[22:02:40] <alanc> and given the people working on things like Dtrace & ZFS for the BSD's, it doesn't seem to bother them too much
[22:02:43] <elektronkind> sol1: DNS entries go in /etc/resolv.conf, like in linux or other unix OSes
[22:03:08] <sol1> ok..
[22:03:15] <Triskelios> sol1: add 'nameserver <address>' for each server in /etc/resolv.conf
[22:03:29] <brandini> alanc: it is bothersom to me... and I am working on porting zfs
[22:03:55] <brandini> I will need to do a whole lot of work just to make it work, and then someone else will have to redo all of it as a rewrite in order for it to make it into the base system
[22:03:57] <sol1> Triskelios: can you give me an example.. my dns is 192.168.1.1 so what would that file contain ?
[22:04:10] <elektronkind> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[22:04:10] <alanc> then you'll have to take your concerns to a higher level, since no one here has the power to change the license
[22:04:22] <sol1> ok..
[22:04:33] <sol1> elektronkind: shall i try these and get back
[22:04:37] <elektronkind> good luck
[22:04:44] <brandini> alanc: you mean petition to see if we can make ours bsd licensed as long as we release sources etc?
[22:04:50] <sol1> thanks :)
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[22:04:57] <Triskelios> sol1: reboot after changing these (defaultrouter is only used at boot)
[22:05:22] <elektronkind> I just told him to do that to head off having to help him more in the future ;)
[22:05:28] <alanc> if that's what you want, you could try that - I have no idea whether that would be accepted or not
[22:05:56] <brandini> do you have contact information for someone I could speak to?
[22:06:19] <elektronkind> jonathan.schwartz at sun dot com ;)
[22:06:20] <Tpenta> simon phipps would probably be a good start i would have thought
[22:06:47] <tomww> to have dns aktive, copy the right name-resolution-info:  cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf
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[22:06:58] <alanc> I would have thought jim grisanzio could at least tell you who to talk to
[22:08:27] <brandini> is he on irc :)
[22:08:59] <elektronkind> he's probably in bed actually... it's almost morning in japan where he now lives.
[22:09:05] <alanc> jimgris is sometimes, but since he lives in Japan, not right now
[22:09:31] <brandini> ok
[22:09:36] <brandini> thanks
[22:09:54] <brandini> the reason I'm asking....
[22:10:02] <stevel> simon phipps would be the person to talk to, as tpenta noted
[22:10:26] <brandini> I view sun's posture towards ZFS like openbsd took towards openssh... they saw a huge deficiency and they wanted everyone to be able to use this to bridge that gap
[22:11:24] <brandini> and it seems to me that if there is something in the way of doing that... they'd be interested in negotiations
[22:11:33] <Error_404> i *really* hope sun doesn't choose gpl
[22:11:52] <brandini> me too
[22:12:30] <Error_404> i have absolutely no problem with cddl
[22:13:30] <elektronkind> it's premature for any kind of license change at this point
[22:13:58] <brandini> I agree, but I need to make sure that before I do a ton of work that everyone will be happy :)
[22:14:17] <Error_404> what are you porting?
[22:14:28] <brandini> zfs
[22:14:48] <Error_404> to what  OS?
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[22:15:42] <sol1> hey.
[22:16:01] <sol1> now ifconfig lists dnet0
[22:16:08] <sol1> but i have a problem
[22:16:31] <sol1> when i give ifconfig -a
[22:16:34] <brandini> Error_404: openbsd
[22:16:56] <Error_404> don't they have a strict BSD-only license policy?
[22:17:04] <brandini> yes
[22:17:05] <sol1> it displays inet , netmask ,ether and broadcast
[22:17:26] <sol1> elektronkind: but the broadcast is the wrong adrs
[22:17:33] <twincest> can't be all that strict, don't they use gcc?
[22:17:38] <sol1> how do i change that ?
[22:17:53] <sol1> tomww: how do i change that ?
[22:18:08] <dlg> twincest: there's a few exceptions, but no new ones
[22:18:09] <Error_404> brandini: well, you could probably write a kernel module based on CDDL code
[22:18:13] <sol1> tomww: how do i change the broadcast adrs. which file do i have to edit ?
[22:18:18] <Error_404> it just won't go in to the baes install
[22:18:25] <elektronkind> put the following line in /etc/netmasks: 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0
[22:18:39] <elektronkind> and the reboot
[22:18:57] <elektronkind> or: ifconfig dnet0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
[22:18:58] <sol1> my broadcast is also 192.168.1.1
[22:19:08] <elektronkind> no, that's your gateway address
[22:19:10] <brandini> twincest: yeah, but they don't like cddl for some reason
[22:19:14] <brandini> I'll have to find out why
[22:19:21] <brandini> I'm just the guy who wants to port it :)
[22:19:31] <sol1> elektronkind: ok..
[22:19:48] <Error_404> they don't like CDDL for the same reason they don't like GPL... cddl forces you to keep open code
[22:19:57] <sol1> once i change that how do i enable and disable the connection ?
[22:19:57] <Error_404> not the whole project, like GPL
[22:20:00] <Error_404> but the file
[22:20:07] <dlg> brandini: it has more restrictions than a bsd/isc style license
[22:20:10] <brandini> Error_404: are you sure of that
[22:20:18] <Error_404> 99%
[22:20:45] <brandini> dlg: are they restrictions that we won't/can't abide by?
[22:20:46] <Error_404> well.. maybe closer to 90%
[22:20:55] <sol1> elektronkind: once i change that how do i enable and disable the connection ?
[22:21:06] <dlg> brandini: i dont understand your question
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[22:21:46] <brandini> I mean, what if we did put cddl code in base, would we be violating any law by doing so, and would it hinder openbsd's dev?
[22:22:19] <dlg> technically no
[22:22:36] <brandini> so it's more of a purity issue
[22:22:43] <dlg> yes
[22:22:52] <dlg> we've drawn a line in the sand
[22:22:56] <brandini> I did make some more progress today...
[22:23:02] <bengtf2> brandini: the difference is supposed to be that if you change a ccdl file your change is opensource but you can add files that are not ccdl ; explained on a sun opensolaris group meeting in sweden
[22:23:48] <dlg> it may hinder openbsd devs who might use the code in their own products
[22:24:05] <dlg> by requiring disclosure of source
[22:24:16] <brandini> I see
[22:24:27] <brandini> that's the restriction difference between the two licenses
[22:24:36] <dlg> thats the main one
[22:25:03] <brandini> but it's not like they wouldn't submit patches and stuff back anyway
[22:25:18] <dlg> from who?
[22:25:27] <brandini> to go back into base
[22:25:40] <Error_404> there's also the "sue the developers, pay sun licensing fees" issue, but that's not as big a deal as source disclosure
[22:25:54] <Error_404> that's retaliatory against SCO i assume
[22:26:00] <brandini> :)
[22:26:05] <brandini> sco needs to die
[22:26:09] <brandini> a slow painful death
[22:26:19] <dlg> brandini: patches are fine, code licensed under the cddl isnt
[22:26:41] <Error_404> but look, if you make a LKM for openbsd, it won't go in to the main tree but it'll get the job done
[22:26:58] <brandini> that's true
[22:27:05] <Error_404> and would be orders of magnitude easier than cleanrooming the zfs driver
[22:27:12] <brandini> probably
[22:27:25] <brandini> is that what would be required... cleanroom?
[22:27:45] <Error_404> if you wanted to relicense it BSD, yeah probably
[22:27:56] <Error_404> or at least it'd be a good way to avoid getting anyone in trouble
[22:28:05] <brandini> hmmmmmm
[22:28:38] <bengtf2> there is some blackbox implementations underway of zfs I heard, but cant remember where
[22:28:59] <Error_404> bengtf: iirc the Linux guys were trying to make a FUSE port of it
[22:29:19] <bengtf2> other than FUSE ...
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[22:29:38] <Error_404> I dunno
[22:29:38] <DrAk0> is zfs ready for production?
[22:29:50] <Error_404> zfs works great on the OS i care about
[22:30:05] <brandini> multi million dollar production, or just 100,000 dollar production?
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[22:31:09] <DrAk0> Error_404, are you using it on an important data machine with a regular usage , flawless?
[22:31:41] <Error_404> I wouldn't judge it by what I use it for
[22:31:49] <brandini> hehe
[22:31:50] <Error_404> a 3 or 4 users fileserver...
[22:31:55] <Error_404> of course it works flawlessly
[22:32:08] <brandini> yank the power once in a while, that'll test it ;)
[22:32:19] <Error_404> but IIRC there are quite a few people rolling it out in big production shops
[22:32:27] <Teknix> DrAk0: i'm using it in production managing 18TB of data
[22:32:36] <brandini> wow
[22:33:00] <springfield> Teknix: A full vista installation? ;)
[22:33:04] <brandini> lol
[22:33:14] <Teknix> springfield: two!
[22:33:21] <brandini> hahahahahha
[22:33:24] <DrAk0> awesome
[22:33:36] <brandini> vista uber alles
[22:33:42] <brandini> </sarcasm>
[22:34:17] <Teknix> i just wish Sun would officially commit to make it SAN aware
[22:34:38] <Teknix> and be able to work magic to keep its management as simplistic
[22:35:16] <dlg> Teknix: as in allowing active-active mounts of san disks?
[22:35:39] <Teknix> yes.. multi-reader/writer
[22:35:49] <dlg> that would be awesome
[22:35:55] <dlg> not trivial though
[22:36:09] <Teknix> sam/qfs does this, but the learning curve is high and it's terribly inflexible
[22:36:27] <dlg> sam also does hsm
[22:36:30] <dlg> which again, would be awesome
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[22:47:35] <sol1> elektronkind: hey... ok i changed the broadcast and reboot
[22:48:09] <sol1> then i tried a website with the browser but it doesn`t work
[22:48:22] <sol1> what`s wrong now ?
[22:49:28] <sol1> elektronkind: hey.. are u there ?
[22:50:27] <sol1> tomww: hey are u there ?
[22:51:22] <tomww> :-)
[22:51:34] <sol1> hey..
[22:51:43] <sol1> tell me what`s next ?
[22:51:58] <sol1> i finished editing all the files
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[22:52:18] <sol1> how to enable or disable the interface ?
[22:52:21] <tomww> I would suggest we oben a /query to have some things of your seupt checked
[22:52:55] <brandini> I'm out for the day fellas, good talking with you
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[23:06:31] <jmcp> morning all
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[23:12:44] <_william_> hi jmcp
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[23:13:48] <sol1> tomww: you there ?
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[23:20:20] <jmcp> hi _william_
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