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[00:14:46] <krozinov> thanks elektronkind delewis jengelh
[00:14:58] <_william_> good night all
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[00:28:36] <boyd> Morning, all
[00:28:56] <jmcp> hi boyd
[00:29:38] <boyd> I think people here are getting used to the idea of DST. I can't believe that they had basically 1 week of official notice!
[00:32:57] <gustav3d> can  sxcr be liveupgraded ?
[00:33:27] <boyd> Yes
[00:33:39] <gustav3d> ok. thanks boyd
[00:33:42] <boyd> But not when you have non-global zones
[00:33:48] <jmcp> boyd: not yet
[00:33:55] <boyd> indeed
[00:33:56] <jmcp> well, ..... actually there's a flag day.
[00:33:57] <jmcp> hang on
[00:34:02] <gustav3d> kk
[00:35:19] 
[00:36:04] <jmcp> that'll be it
[00:36:22] <richlowe> there's also the rather annoying bug with dangling zcons links in /dev
[00:36:34] <richlowe> (they make pfinstall segv, and take you hours to track down why)
[00:36:34] <jmcp> yeah
[00:36:35] <boyd> I haven't seen that
[00:36:46] <gustav3d> but i cant use ZFS if i want to use liveupgrade ?
[00:37:04] <boyd> gustav3d: You can, but not on your /, /usr, /var
[00:37:20] <gustav3d> thanks boyd
[00:37:21] <boyd> richlowe: Does devfsadm -C fix that?
[00:37:40] <richlowe> I just rm'd the links.
[00:38:05] <boyd> Sure, but devfsadm would find them too :)
[00:38:38] <richlowe> Well, I can't state for user because I blew them away in disgust by hand. :)
[00:38:49] <richlowe> is "most likely" a good enough response? :)
[00:39:03] <boyd> Hehe
[00:39:20] <boyd> No, I demand that you return to the former state and try again!
[00:46:15] <gustav3d> i can use liveupgrade on a system with 1hd ?
[00:46:32] <delewis> gustav3d, yes, as long as you dedicate an extra slice to it
[00:47:24] <gustav3d> delewis: ok , so i just an an extra slice during the install ?
[00:47:40] <delewis> you can do it at any time, just leave extra space
[00:47:50] <delewis> I usually leave around 6-10GB
[00:48:21] <gustav3d> ah good. thanks for the help delewis
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[00:50:57] <gustav3d> ill be doing my first solaris install today =)
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[00:58:21] * gdamore hugs zfs.  (using zfs to store DHCP config data and snapshots to prevent shooting myself in foot)
[00:58:39] <boyd> Good lord, tamarack + vermillion 53 seems to actually work pretty well.. This will taks some getting used to
[00:58:50] <gdamore> hehe.
[01:00:04] * jmcp concalls
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[01:11:07] <coffman> today i switched our webserver to a more recent solaris 10 version from 3/05 to 06/06
[01:11:14] <coffman> zones and zfs rocks the shit
[01:11:20] <Auralis> indeed
[01:11:53] <coffman> i can now isolate our crapy php sites
[01:12:22] <Error_404> php apparantly is dtrace enabled
[01:12:22] <quasi> 11/06 is going to be even more fun when you can zone clone directly rather than having to zfs clone
[01:12:43] <coffman> i hope to get a mod_proxy/rewrite in front of the zones
[01:13:07] <quasi> coffman: shouldn't exactly be hard
[01:13:29] <coffman> so if some one brake in, he cant get out :)
[01:13:45] <quasi> coffman: mod_proxy directly is likely to perform better than mod_rewrite
[01:13:58] * coffman will do a direct update to 11/06
[01:14:17] <coffman> quasi: might end up in a combine of both
[01:15:00] <quasi> coffman: a vhost for each zone and ProxyPass / in each
[01:15:10] <quasi> coffman: should do the trick
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[01:15:42] <coffman> it feels so good to have that crapy legacy nuke site isolatet
[01:15:49] <coffman> i get hacked that often
[01:15:52] <coffman> no fun
[01:17:01] <quasi> makes a zone with almost no write access to its own filesystems would be a good way to minimize the damage
[01:17:37] <quasi> gah, crappy sentence - I should probably just go sleep
[01:18:17] <coffman> :)
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[01:18:46] <Plaidrab> Bugger. My U5 is grumpy
[01:19:16] <coffman> quasi: well, there is still the database
[01:19:23] <coffman> huge mess
[01:19:23] <quasi> coffman: another trick could be regular zfs snapshots - then rolling back is simple
[01:19:31] <quasi> coffman: move it to another zone
[01:19:41] <coffman> done both :)
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[01:22:28] <quasi> of course, you could also just look to fix the broken webapp ... or hide it behind mod_security
[01:26:04] <coffman> its a legacy site from one of our clients, we are in the talk with him about atm
[01:26:15] <coffman> it will have to be a redo
[01:27:14] <quasi> sounds like a good plan
[01:27:26] <jengelh> sounds like a plan for commander keen
[01:28:07] <Doc> hmm.. networker supports zfs now? cool
[01:28:16] <Doc> i really should try and keep up with some of these things
[01:28:22] <coffman> jep
[01:28:25] <coffman> u should
[01:29:21] <stevel> why fix things when you can hide them?
[01:29:32] <stevel> :-)
[01:30:07] <coffman> u cant fix nuke
[01:30:10] <Doc> i've had a hack in for yonks (the LD_PRELOAD one) so it works anyway :)
[01:30:19] <Doc> hmm.. looks like sun hasnt released the version that supports it yet... blah
[01:30:31] <quasi> coffman: ah, phpnuke - the easy fix is rm -rf
[01:30:38] <coffman> yeah
[01:30:53] <quasi> svcadm disable httpd
[01:30:57] <coffman> it does freaky 120 database calls for a page load
[01:31:31] <Doc> ohh.. yes we have, but it's not a patch... blah
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[02:45:37] <boyd> Lol: http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/intelligentdesignsort.html
[02:46:14] <Tpenta> I should do this more often. Walked downstairs for a drink and a snack and watched two wickets fall :)
[02:46:33] <boyd> Get down there again right now, young man... Your country needs your help!
[02:46:47] <Tpenta> as i was commenting yesterday, australia can still win this
[02:47:03] <boyd> Seems there may be life in the old test yet
[02:47:04] <Auralis> boyd: lol
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[02:47:45] <Tpenta> that was a beautiful bowled around teh legs to get pieterson
[02:48:04] <Tpenta> it nearly missed off!
[02:48:08] <Tpenta> came back that far
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[02:48:37] <boyd> Nice
[02:48:55] <boyd> I can't see much here in the classroom... Unless there's a straming video somewhere
[02:49:03] <boyd> s/stram/stream
[02:49:14] <Tpenta> so put the cricinfo desktop applet on your screen ;)
[02:49:25] * boyd goes to look
[02:54:00] * richlowe mutters
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[03:01:40] <Tpenta> flintoff is gone!
[03:02:11] * richlowe mutters more
[03:03:36] <richlowe> isn't it .au's turn to suck at cricket for a while yet? :)
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[03:06:17] <edwardocallaghan> Hi all
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[03:07:00] <edwardocallaghan> RPM's are sooo slow on Fedora why!?
[03:10:59] <g4lt-mordant> because its redhat
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[03:13:15] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:13:26] <edwardocallaghan> But why are they slow?
[03:13:36] <stevel> perhaps your question would be more appropriate for #fedora
[03:13:40] <edwardocallaghan> Well I hate Ubuntu
[03:14:07] <edwardocallaghan> Maybe but I was asking it from a technical point of view off top
[03:14:26] <edwardocallaghan> If no one knows then forget it
[03:14:32] <edwardocallaghan> Next...
[03:16:13] <edwardocallaghan> I really want to get my site up soon for the package manager for Solaris
[03:16:50] <edwardocallaghan> Its going to be a GUI to backend pkg_add type commands
[03:18:08] <Error_404> eww... gui
[03:18:39] <Error_404> X exists so i can have a bunch of terminals open
[03:18:54] <Error_404> also, porn
[03:19:18] <moazamraja> Error_404: pfft. you need to learn about ANSI colors in an terminal.
[03:19:24] <stevel> command line porn just doesn't cut it?
[03:19:27] <moazamraja> back in my day....
[03:19:32] <Error_404> stevel: not quite
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[03:44:12] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:44:27] <edwardocallaghan> I leave you guys for one min and...
[03:44:48] <edwardocallaghan> :D you guys are great sniff sniff Good old Unix
[03:45:49] <jmcp> moazamraja: those would be the days of 1200baud dialup? Yeah ... I recall those days too
[03:46:44] <jbk> heh
[03:47:18] <jbk> is it bad if you still remember certain escape sequences? :)
[03:48:39] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[03:49:06] <edwardocallaghan> Like the back door of your office at lunch time
[03:49:10] <edwardocallaghan> Hehe
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[04:10:39] <edwardocallaghan> Oh my days do Linksys not do ADSL modems/routers anymore
[04:10:46] <edwardocallaghan> What the hell is going on
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[04:11:46] <Error_404> did cisco just drop the linksys brand, or is cisco not in the consumer space at all anymore?
[04:12:20] <Error_404> if it's the former, who cares, and if it's the latter, that's unfortunate
[04:13:22] <edwardocallaghan> Cisco still own Linksys
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[04:42:20] <boyd> Hmph... anyone had vim just exit after printing a newline without an error
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[04:45:14] <dclarke> FYI : the EFIKA units have landed : http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5884&sid=61cfefdf5627a53c05b2c37d7ceeb18c#5884
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[04:48:07] <edwardocallaghan> Is that Solaris running on a Cell ?!
[04:48:24] <edwardocallaghan> If so where do I buy the hardware?
[04:48:29] <dclarke> on EFIKA
[04:48:30] <edwardocallaghan> I got my card in hand
[04:48:39] <edwardocallaghan> What's that?
[04:48:51] <edwardocallaghan> eval broad ?
[04:48:57] <dclarke> see www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/
[04:49:40] <edwardocallaghan> http://images.pegasosppc.com/galleries/efika/DSCN2433.JPG Super wow !
[04:50:38] <dclarke> I have one here
[04:50:55] <dclarke> actually I have three .. but this one is getting an IBM disk installed
[04:50:55] <Error_404> i can assure you solaris doesn't boot on the Cell
[04:51:00] <edwardocallaghan> I want one
[04:51:01] <dclarke> yet
[04:51:07] <Error_404> no, yet
[04:51:08] <boyd> Can someone give me a reason why I should care about those things?
[04:51:22] <edwardocallaghan> PVR
[04:51:26] <dclarke> boyd : its part of the Polaris project effort
[04:51:30] <edwardocallaghan> Solaris PVR's :D
[04:51:38] <dclarke> to get OpenSolaris ported
[04:51:39] <boyd> dclarke: The same question applies tot hat project
[04:51:59] <dclarke> oh .. okay .. nope .. can't help you there
[04:52:26] <dclarke> I guess if an OS is OPEN then it can be ported and running OpenSolaris on x86/AMD or UltraSparc is not new at all
[04:52:35] <Auralis> soalris on power4+ i can see as usefull, but on such old stuff? i fail to see the point of that
[04:52:42] <Error_404> Auralis: stepping stone
[04:52:47] <dclarke> to be "open source" means that you can go in new directions with it
[04:52:54] <boyd> The constant spamming of planetsolaris with rambling irrelevancies related to those things got them off on a bad foot with me
[04:53:01] <dclarke> this unit is brand new
[04:53:10] <boyd> dclarke: I know you *can*... I don't understand *why*
[04:53:17] <dclarke> brand new .. its embedded technology and system-on-a-chip stuff
[04:53:48] <dclarke> boyd : well it hasn't been easy and the Sun labs people barely communicated at all
[04:54:01] <dclarke> so .. as for the spamming .. oh well .. such is life
[04:54:13] <dclarke> its like Sun saying they have a GRID
[04:54:18] <dclarke> where did that go ?
[04:54:27] <boyd> dclarke: So, why are *you* interested... I want to understand.
[04:54:32] <dclarke> its out there I guess .. but no one bought it
[04:54:34] <Error_404> boyd: because if it boots PPC it's less work to get it working on beefy IBM hardware
[04:54:37] <dclarke> because its a port
[04:54:42] <dclarke> its a new direction
[04:54:49] <dclarke> thats why
[04:54:57] <edwardocallaghan> I like it
[04:54:58] <dclarke> heck .. its geeky and cool ?
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[04:55:04] <dclarke> thats enough for me
[04:55:16] <dclarke> its sitting here in front of me .. big as a pack of cigs
[04:55:19] <edwardocallaghan> I means if Solaris runs on PPC then it can run on the new PS3
[04:55:20] <dclarke> and its .. hellish cool
[04:55:28] * boyd nods. I can see that.
[04:55:37] <Error_404> dclarke: you get one as part of their developer program?
[04:55:42] <boyd> Can you have "hellish" and "cool" without "not" :)
[04:55:47] <dclarke> if it can run on PPC and we have tools on PPC then we can do native builds for other targets like Power
[04:56:11] <edwardocallaghan> I want to see Cell Desktop computers
[04:56:12] <dclarke> Error_404:  yep .. freebie
[04:56:16] <Error_404> & everyone involved will understand the codebase enough to do further ports much faster
[04:56:19] <Error_404> dclarke: sweet
[04:56:34] <dclarke> Error_404:  they are nearly free anyways
[04:56:45] <edwardocallaghan> dclarke: Do you still remember the hosting plan we have?
[04:56:50] <dclarke> Error_404:  shortly you can order one from Blastwave for $235
[04:56:59] <boyd> Canadian?
[04:57:01] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan:  of course !
[04:57:06] <edwardocallaghan> I am going to buy one
[04:57:09] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan:  have not gotten to it yet
[04:57:15] <edwardocallaghan> Oh good thanks
[04:57:30] <dclarke> edwardocallaghan:  give me a day or two to get the page upo .. then you can order via Blastwave
[04:57:43] <boyd> dclarke: USD?
[04:57:44] <edwardocallaghan> Well I was just checking would like to start ASAP
[04:58:00] <dclarke> yeah .. $235 USD
[04:58:03] <edwardocallaghan> I live in the UK at the moment
[04:58:06] <dclarke> yeah .. $235 USD + shipping
[04:58:16] <edwardocallaghan> Cool
[04:58:45] <edwardocallaghan> I will dig until my pockets are empty
[04:58:46] <dclarke> if you go to the Blastwave site and make a donation of that size and toss me an email then I'll shit one to you
[04:58:54] <dclarke> at least until I get the page up
[04:58:59] <Error_404> eww...
[04:59:10] <boyd> lol
[04:59:11] <edwardocallaghan> shit
[04:59:13] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[04:59:41] <edwardocallaghan> Well I don't know the postage yet?
[04:59:51] <dclarke> me neither !
[04:59:58] <dclarke> like I said .. they are really new
[05:00:08] <dclarke> I have had them .. for six hours
[05:00:19] <edwardocallaghan> I will check the ATM tomorrow to make sure I got money in my current account
[05:00:22] <dclarke> I went to FedEx with a package to ship and picked up this one
[05:00:55] <edwardocallaghan> So what's going to be in the box?
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[05:01:22] <dclarke> in what box ?
[05:01:58] <dclarke> listen y'all .. I'm going to work heads down on this for a while
[05:01:58] <jamesd> hi all
[05:02:01] <jbk> here's a question: would anyone see a benefit to a command that should show you what every ethernet port on a box is connected to (when connected to compatible devices, if connected at all) ??
[05:02:04] <dclarke> I'll be at #blastwave
[05:03:16] <jbk> i.e. something like 'port: eri0   peer: switch5  peer serial: 12345 peer port: 3/1 vlan: 123'
[05:03:37] <gdamore> just got my gigE 8-port switch.  time to start doing some NFS benchmarks with ZFS and the Via C7. :-)
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[05:03:59] <jbk> gdamore: are you aware of some of the issues with zfs+nfs?
[05:04:34] <jbk> (i.e. it appears zfs can be over-aggressive with read-ahead with nfs i believe)
[05:04:36] <gdamore> i recall seeing some issues... something about unique inodes or something?
[05:05:07] <boyd> I thought it was about performance due to consistency guarantees
[05:05:08] <gdamore> i am not aware of that.
[05:06:08] <gdamore> guess i should go check google. :-)
[05:06:13] <jbk> well there are others in here that can comment on the stuff far better than me
[05:06:20] <edwardocallaghan> jbk: do you mean netstat
[05:06:39] <edwardocallaghan> or ifconfig
[05:07:00] <jbk> i'm not aware of any netstat or ifconfig command that can tell me the name of the switch or the port on the switch that a given nic on my box is connected to
[05:07:03] * steleman will port OpenSolaris to his motorola v551 phone
[05:07:04] <boyd> There was a conversation on zfs-discuss about using ail_disable to improve nfs-over-zfs performance, at the expense of correctness
[05:07:13] <jbk> which is what i'm referring to..
[05:07:14] <Error_404> steleman: do it
[05:07:42] <steleman> Error_404: i am. expect a blogging bombardment on this subject for the next 2 years.
[05:08:06] <boyd> jbk: How are you going to get that info in a portable way?
[05:08:11] <edwardocallaghan> Your get a 404 on your server ;)
[05:08:24] <jbk> well i said for compatible equipment :)
[05:08:41] <jbk> basically just a daemon that listens (and perhaps broadcasts) cdp packets
[05:08:52] <jbk> i think more than just cisco supports it (but not 100% sure)
[05:09:01] <dvorak> pretty sure cisco has a patent on it
[05:09:21] <jbk> i wrote a rather sloppy ad-hoc version of such a thing for work
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[05:09:30] <jbk> it's been a lifesaver when things get cabled up wrong
[05:10:17] <elektronkind> is cdp published anywhere?
[05:10:24] <jbk> yes
[05:10:36] <jbk> cisco has some documentation on the frame format
[05:10:56] <jbk> the downside is that it uses snap-formatted ethernet frames
[05:11:13] <elektronkind> oh snap
[05:11:22] <jbk> which means you have to turn on ethernet multicast on any interface you want to use it on
[05:13:09] <gdamore> okay, i've foun the zil_disable references, but I think for what I need it won't matter.  I'm running a general purpose ZFS/NFS server with a mirrored configuration
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[05:13:57] <jbk> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/trsrb/frames.htm#xtocid12
[05:14:14] <jbk> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps663/products_tech_note09186a0080094713.shtml#cdp
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[05:19:07] <dwc-> jbk, you'd have better luck doing snmp queries I think
[05:19:17] <dwc-> to dump the mac-address-table
[05:19:22] <dwc-> which has mac <-> switch port mappings
[05:19:36] <jbk> that's assuming you have access to that information on the switch
[05:19:54] <dwc-> how else are you going to know what you're connected to?
[05:20:24] <jbk> also, assumes you've remembered to set local-mac-address? to true
[05:20:31] <jbk> well that's what this would do
[05:20:40] <dwc-> there's no way to know what vlan, or what port you're on
[05:20:56] <jbk> there is (for at least devices connected to cisco switches)
[05:21:02] <dwc-> at least not on a properly configured network
[05:21:33] <dwc-> cdp will tell you that there's a device on your port 5
[05:21:50] <dwc-> but there's no obligation to forward that up the chain, to your uplinks, and all your other ports, iirc
[05:22:05] <jbk> it's not meant to be forwarded
[05:22:19] <dwc-> exactly, so the switch learns
[05:22:31] <jbk> i'm talking from the server
[05:22:51] <jbk> i can see what switch, port, and vlan eri0 is connected to, same for ce5, etc.
[05:22:57] <dwc-> yes, and I'm saying the switch knows which port it got a cdp broadcast on
[05:23:12] <dwc-> but the person sending the cdp doesn't know
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[05:23:34] <jbk> no, but if both ends send out packets..
[05:23:42] <dwc-> then you can see each other
[05:23:45] <dwc-> but you don't know what's in between
[05:24:05] <dwc-> you don't know the vlan, or the switch, or the port
[05:24:11] <dwc-> so you can't tell anyone that
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[05:24:46] <dwc-> and a machine only has one port (its interfae)
[05:25:10] <jbk> most anything sun ships has multiple ethernet interfaces
[05:25:19] <dwc-> fine, one "port" per "interface"
[05:25:23] <jbk> and i know for us at least, they almost always have at least two connections
[05:25:42] <dwc-> but you get to know about your neighbors, check the arp cache
[05:26:24] <dwc-> that'd tell you ip X is reached through hme0
[05:26:35] <dwc-> but couldn't tell you anything about the network layout, really
[05:28:10] <jbk> well it's only designed to get info about your neighbors -- you're assuming that if you have a mac address, that you're going to have the access on both server and switches to map it out
[05:28:35] <dwc-> well, if you have a mac address, and access to the switch, then why do you need another daemon?
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[05:29:22] <jbk> in larger places, 'network' stuff is usually handled by a different group than those who admin the servers
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[05:29:48] <dwc-> uh-huh...
[05:30:19] <jbk> if i'm having a network issue, the first things our techs want to know (at least) as what port, and then work their way up the stack
[05:30:57] <dwc-> the network jack id (which you'd have on all your ports in a larger place) should be all they need
[05:30:58] <jbk> if i give them the IP, they have to first search the arp tables of the switches, find the switch, then go into the switch and see what port sees that mac address
[05:31:34] <jbk> dwc-: assuming someone didn't accidentially mislabel something, or things didn't get swapped by accident, etc.
[05:31:46] <dwc-> and that's their problem,  not yours
[05:31:51] <jbk> or i can say 'i'm connected to switch X, port Y'
[05:32:23] <jbk> yeah, but in the meantime, while things aren't working, i'm stuck on a call until they figure it out
[05:33:28] <dwc-> they need something like intermapper
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[05:34:20] <jbk> when you're talking running 20-100 network drops at once, to 5-20 different servers, and of course it's rushed because project's behind etc.
[05:34:55] <jbk> i've just found the ad-hoc version a life saver -- i can quickly validate the work, catch errors, and get the network techs the info they need faster than if they were to try to track it down themselves
[05:35:17] <jbk> and it's resonably 'live' vs. manually writing down the info
[05:35:31] <dwc-> well, whatever, not unless you have access to the switch will you get the information you need
[05:35:42] <dwc-> they'd be better off learning how to use the switches' clustering features
[05:36:02] <dwc-> and if you have access to the switch, then you can just tell them what the right info is
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[05:36:11] <dwc-> but I bet you they're not going to give you access to the switch
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[05:55:52] <boyd> Tpenta: I think they're gonna run out of time
[05:56:22] <Tpenta> lookign that way, its set to be a good finish
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[05:58:29] <boyd> Hmm... so if I run dtrace and get text, then do the same dtrace command > /tmp/foo, then less /tmp/foo and get binary data... that would be bad, right?
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[06:02:48] <stevel-> the proxies are slowly killing off the sun folks 1 by 1
[06:02:54] <stevel-> (again)
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[06:08:03] <edwardocallaghan> proxies ?
[06:08:20] <boyd> The sun outbound proxies I'm assumiong
[06:08:25] <stevel-> yeah
[06:08:29] <edwardocallaghan> Anyone seen these http://www.pegasosppc.com/homemedia.php?page=start
[06:08:38] <edwardocallaghan> What do you mean?
[06:09:27] <edwardocallaghan> How can a proxy server kill some one :-P
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[06:09:46] <boyd> If you were sitting under it and the rack collapsed, maybe
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[06:10:15] <boyd> proxies don't kill people, admins kill people :)
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[06:11:01] <stevel> nickserv also kills people
[06:11:14] <boyd> Heh
[06:12:28] <g4lt-mordant> I don't kill them, I just cause fatal exceptions in their life processes
[06:12:46] <edwardocallaghan> SIGUP 9
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[06:19:44] <loke> edwardocallaghan: the web site mentions amiga... That makes it a non-starter
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[06:22:47] <Tpenta> this could be an entertaining last session of the test match
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[06:23:15] <boyd> Indeed it could
[06:23:19] <g4lt-mordant> what, the ashes is interesting for a change?
[06:23:37] <edwardocallaghan> amiga?
[06:24:00] <edwardocallaghan> lol I mean for MythTV
[06:24:10] <boyd> g4lt-mordant: Yeah, all down to the last 1.5 sessions... Aus have to get 168
[06:25:10] <g4lt-mordant> I thought that there was some kind of commonwealth law that said that the ashes had to be more boring than watching grass grow
[06:25:33] <boyd> Careful, you'll be sent to Nauru if you get caught saying that
[06:26:31] <jmcp> boyd: not Nauru, the new $240mil holiday resort on Christmas Island
[06:26:36] <bobbyz> is anyone here using a syba SD-SATA-4p card (The 4-port sii3114 sata controller from syba)?  Mine technically works, but transfer speeds are ridiculously slow.  I've tested in both solaris and linux and it seems that the card will only transfer about 1.4MB/s to each SATA drive attached, for a maximum xfer rate of about 6MB/s if using raid, or 1.5MB/s if using a single disk.  Anyone else run into this problem and/or know how to overcome
[06:26:36] <bobbyz> it?
[06:26:54] <g4lt-mordant> jmcp, appropriate timing... ;P
[06:27:43] <jmcp> g4lt-mordant: for various values of "appropriate"
[06:29:11] <jmcp> bobbyz: what number do you get for     echo "maxphys/X" | mdb -k
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[06:30:36] <printk> awww no 53? :)
[06:32:27] <bobbyz> jmcp: e000.  What does that mean?
[06:35:46] <jmcp> maxphys of 0xe000 == 57344 is the default limit (still....) for the maximum size of an io request to/from disk
[06:36:19] <jmcp> if you add    set maxphys=0x800000    in /etc/system and reboot, then you should see an improvement in your IO performance
[06:36:21] <boyd> printk: Join the queue
[06:36:41] <bobbyz> jmcp: thanks!  I'll give that a try
[06:38:52] <jmcp> boyd, Tpenta: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/12/05/1165080919598.html
[06:40:13] <Tpenta> that's a reagan joke
[06:40:24] <Tpenta> thats how old that is
[06:41:37] <g4lt-mordant> boyd, qouldn't htat be printq then? ;P
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[06:52:16] <edwardocallaghan> Arr man run out of disk all 2.7TB
[06:52:25] <edwardocallaghan> Full of crap
[06:52:46] <edwardocallaghan> Right can some people explain ZFS abit more to me please
[06:53:11] <jmcp> edwardocallaghan: so how much of the zfs pages on opensolaris.org have you read through first?
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[06:54:16] <edwardocallaghan> A bit
[06:54:31] <edwardocallaghan> Don't know too much on filesystems
[06:55:16] <edwardocallaghan> I'm 19 and the English education system can't seem to teach how to read and write these days
[06:55:45] <edwardocallaghan> There excuse is "oh your dyslexic"
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[06:56:26] * stevel wonders... is anyone here presenting at osdevcon 2007?
[06:56:26] <Xh4> you're*
[06:56:31] <Xh4> No.
[06:56:34] <edwardocallaghan> If you can point me to some more detailed info about ext2/3
[06:56:44] <edwardocallaghan> There
[06:56:47] <edwardocallaghan> Not me
[06:56:47] <Xh4> ext2 and 3 suck.
[06:56:59] <edwardocallaghan> NTFS
[06:57:03] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[06:57:15] <edwardocallaghan> FAT needs to goto the gym
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[06:59:38] <edwardocallaghan> I am teaching myself Linux to pass a LPIC1 on my own
[06:59:47] <edwardocallaghan> For starters
[07:01:07] <edwardocallaghan> Why do ext2/3 suck?
[07:01:16] <Error_404> but then you'd have to work with that pile of crap (linux)
[07:01:53] <edwardocallaghan> I am spit on Linux and Unix
[07:02:00] <edwardocallaghan> Because of device drivers
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[07:02:30] <edwardocallaghan> I could not recommend Solaris to some one because I know that there plug in there printer and nothing...
[07:02:49] <stevel> and nothing?
[07:02:57] <stevel> we print under Solaris all the time
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[07:03:57] <g4lt-mordant> yeah, I just printed out my xmas itinerary no sweat
[07:04:29] <dwc-> lprng works just fine on both
[07:05:30] <dwc-> linux professional institute certification... wonder what they actually test
[07:05:59] <edwardocallaghan> No I know how to get CUPS going
[07:06:07] <edwardocallaghan> It was just a example
[07:06:19] <stevel> ??
[07:06:23] <stevel> so you're just a liar?
[07:06:29] * dwc- still likes lprng to cups
[07:06:38] <edwardocallaghan> Getting desktop users over to Solaris from Windows
[07:06:59] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry?
[07:07:22] <stevel> if you know how to get CUPS going, then why would you not recommend Solaris because it can't print?
[07:07:27] <edwardocallaghan> I am just saying we need to get more device drivers for Solaris
[07:07:39] <edwardocallaghan> NO NO NO
[07:07:48] <edwardocallaghan> Your not getting the point
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[07:08:05] <edwardocallaghan> OK they plug in there new ipod, will it work?
[07:08:29] <stevel> dunno, i've never used an ipod
[07:08:33] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[07:08:40] <edwardocallaghan> I hate ipods
[07:08:44] <dwc-> I dislike toys that require me to use certain programs
[07:08:54] <dwc-> so I have an mp3 player that presents itself as usb mass storage
[07:08:59] <stevel> dwc-: me too :)
[07:09:01] <edwardocallaghan> its a hard disk and your moving it I mean...
[07:09:20] <stevel> I think I'm not getting your point because you are failing to deliver it
[07:09:22] <edwardocallaghan> I know I know same
[07:09:26] <stevel> what are you driving at?
[07:09:31] <edwardocallaghan> lol point taken
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[07:09:41] <dwc-> I doubt a level 1 tech needs to know much in-depth stuff
[07:09:53] <edwardocallaghan> device drivers, Solaris needs far more
[07:09:54] <dwc-> certainly none of the internals
[07:10:13] <edwardocallaghan> I am only doing it for my CV and fun
[07:10:14] <dwc-> from this webpage, it looks like just basic administration and setup
[07:10:35] <edwardocallaghan> I won't to learn more but I am 19 so that looks good on my CV
[07:10:38] <dwc-> and then, it looks like a lot of stuff that's going to be distribution-different
[07:10:51] <dj2> edwardocallaghan, i believe the real question is, what device do you have that isn't supported...
[07:10:52] <stevel> dwc-: i thought LPI was a vendor/distro-neutral certification?
[07:11:19] <dwc-> beats me, I just skimmed the page
[07:11:35] <edwardocallaghan> It is, but there is about on RPMs or DEBs depends what you do for the second exam
[07:11:40] <dwc-> add users, install/configure workstation, and X?
[07:11:51] <edwardocallaghan> Yes and servers
[07:11:54] <dwc-> connect to a LAN or via modem?
[07:11:55] <edwardocallaghan> Basic admin
[07:12:00] <edwardocallaghan> yes
[07:12:07] <dwc-> from what I remember of redhat, and what I know of debian and gentoo and rhel
[07:12:13] <edwardocallaghan> abit of sendmail as well
[07:12:23] <dwc-> all those are different if you do it the officially blessed way
[07:12:46] <edwardocallaghan> Well my passion is with Unix
[07:13:02] <dwc-> now if you just put all your stuff in a shiny new rc.local and what not, then I suppose ifconfig on linux is just ifconfig
[07:13:19] <edwardocallaghan> But this will look very good for someone who is 19 and did it of there own accord I guess no?
[07:13:34] <dwc-> could be.
[07:13:45] <dwc-> but having not heard of this certification before today, I probably wouldn't be too impressed
[07:13:58] <edwardocallaghan> lol thanks
[07:14:12] <edwardocallaghan> Well Linux is growing
[07:14:18] <stevel> ....
[07:14:19] <stevel> um
[07:14:23] <stevel> so what are you doing here?
[07:14:25] <edwardocallaghan> I will do the Solaris one after this
[07:14:43] <stevel> ah, okay
[07:14:46] <edwardocallaghan> Solaris is growing too ;)
[07:15:00] <edwardocallaghan> Chill out, I love Solaris
[07:15:09] <edwardocallaghan> I would not be here otherwise
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[07:15:51] <edwardocallaghan> I am just trying to get points into the dev that device drivers should be the number one thing on peoples minds
[07:17:04] <edwardocallaghan> When I was at work, I tried to show a mate in the IT department Solaris but X would not start on a HP workstation with a ATi card in there
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[07:17:28] <edwardocallaghan> even playing with the config for a bit did not help
[07:17:49] <edwardocallaghan> He was not impressed with it but he was a Windows admin I guess
[07:19:28] <edwardocallaghan> Hay at lest the LPIC1 is better then a M$ admin, certified jack ass
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[07:23:21] <dwc-> I bet an mcse gets a better pay boost
[07:23:29] <dwc-> not that I put much stock in those either
[07:24:43] <edwardocallaghan> I am not doing it for pay
[07:25:00] <edwardocallaghan> This is so I can teach my self stuff
[07:25:30] <edwardocallaghan> Good life approach no?
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[07:27:29] <edwardocallaghan> WiFi drivers in Solaris how are they coming on?
[07:27:42] * jmcp heads home
[07:28:04] <edwardocallaghan> Any site that provides a central place for dev to play with WiFi ?
[07:28:25] <edwardocallaghan> If not then I'll do one on my site
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[07:33:51] <elektronkind> edwardocallaghan: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/
[07:34:04] <elektronkind> there's your answer :)
[07:34:21] <elektronkind> complete with ndis wrapper
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[07:34:53] <edwardocallaghan> Ah thank you very much
[07:35:00] <dwc-> now all I need are some sparc ndis drivers
[07:35:02] <edwardocallaghan> Broadcom?
[07:35:17] <dwc-> ndiswrapper is ndiswrapper
[07:35:20] <elektronkind> dwc-: you're joking, right ;)
[07:35:21] <dlg> ha, ndis
[07:35:30] <dwc-> elektronkind: not really...
[07:35:49] <edwardocallaghan> Last time I played with it, it did not work
[07:36:23] <dwc-> have sparc laptop, have wpa-supporting pcmcia card, no sparc wireless driver for the card, no sparc wpa supplicant build
[07:36:45] <edwardocallaghan> Also, how easy would it be for a home user to install Solaris and have there wifi card work out the box
[07:36:57] <elektronkind> that word cracks me up. I think I'll name my next cat "supplicant"
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[07:38:08] <edwardocallaghan> The reason why (Crap)Ubuntu is top of distro watch is because it has loads of device drivers out the box
[07:38:28] <dlg> its wireless support is crap
[07:38:44] <Error_404> it's quite terrible for drivers actually
[07:38:47] * dwc- shrugs
[07:38:50] <dwc-> most software is crap
[07:38:54] <dwc-> keep expectations low
[07:38:57] <Error_404> it just has a good marketing dept.
[07:38:57] * dlg agrees with dwc-
[07:38:59] <dwc-> less likely to be disappointed
[07:39:31] <edwardocallaghan> I don't mean to go on, tell me to shut up if you think I am. But I want to press for more drivers
[07:39:45] <dwc-> feel free
[07:39:58] <edwardocallaghan> And I am going to make part of my new site for dev to be centered on it
[07:40:02] <elektronkind> I don't think you'll find anyone who will disagree with you on wanting more drivers
[07:40:19] <Error_404> drivers are hard though
[07:40:22] <elektronkind> the question is getting people who A) have the time and B) the skill and willingess to do it
[07:40:27] <Error_404> manufacturers don't make it easy
[07:40:36] <elektronkind> you just can't demand it and *poof* it's done
[07:40:40] <edwardocallaghan> Ture to all of the above
[07:41:24] <edwardocallaghan> Just want to make sure people spend more of there time on the driver front at the moment
[07:41:50] <edwardocallaghan> It will help build a Solaris user base
[07:42:12] <elektronkind> call it "planet solaris"
[07:42:29] <dlg> drivers are easy
[07:42:31] <dlg> if you have docs
[07:42:42] <edwardocallaghan> More users, the more pressure you can put on manufactures to make drivers or docs
[07:43:04] <edwardocallaghan> I like it, planet Solaris
[07:43:09] <Error_404> fracturing the user base with yet another place for them to go isn't the way to do it though
[07:44:02] <edwardocallaghan> What do you mean?
[07:44:03] <dlg> dwc-: which wireless chipset is it?
[07:44:14] <elektronkind> the linux folks, who are far more in number, have been trying since the first att/lucent wlan card to do that
[07:44:15] <edwardocallaghan> bcm43xx are hell
[07:44:47] <dlg> the linux people are moving into expediency versus long term usability
[07:44:55] <elektronkind> the best thing, I think, is to team with the freebsd devs and spread the work around
[07:45:17] <edwardocallaghan> Yes !
[07:45:20] <dlg> unfortunately solaris is starting its open source journey in that position too
[07:45:23] <Error_404> theo's *very* vocal about open docs vs. linux drivers
[07:45:32] <elektronkind> after all, driver DDI is the "easy" part. it's the guts both camps are after.
[07:45:35] <dlg> freebsd is just the same as linux in this regard
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[07:45:47] <dlg> elektronkind: we want docs
[07:46:00] <edwardocallaghan> I don't like fragmentation, distro is the word used today
[07:46:11] <Error_404> so, openbsd might be a better group to gang up with
[07:46:42] <elektronkind> yeah well, one of the bsd's... if not for the license whoring ability.
[07:46:57] <edwardocallaghan> Well I hear that they are lossing a lot of cash
[07:47:25] <Error_404> so?
[07:47:49] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: you mean they never really had that much cash to start with
[07:48:01] <dlg> making it hard to maintain infrastructure
[07:48:18] <edwardocallaghan> Well something I heared
[07:48:26] <edwardocallaghan> Could mean pulling them in
[07:48:40] <edwardocallaghan> I think it's a good bet and should be done
[07:49:18] <edwardocallaghan> Do you think Solaris should go under the GPL by the way?
[07:49:48] <dlg> are you asking me or the channel generally?
[07:50:05] <edwardocallaghan> chan
[07:50:28] <Error_404> quite aside from "should" is that i don't think it *can*
[07:50:29] <dlg> fundamentally it is suns right to license their own software however they see fit
[07:50:54] <Error_404> not without giving away IP that sun doesn't want to give away
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[07:52:02] <boyd> I'm sure they can dual-license if they want
[07:52:32] <twincest> can we start axe-murdering everyone who mentions "solaris" and "GPL" in the same line?
[07:53:14] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[07:53:52] <edwardocallaghan> Well it was a question for what YOU think should happen?
[07:54:07] <Error_404> twincest: gpl zealots are like sharks... they smell blood in the water (gpl java) and they can't get enough
[07:54:07] <elektronkind> I think it's fine as-is
[07:55:08] <elektronkind> to be honest, I don't think it would be worthwhile. The return (ie, code from Linux) would be dubious in value.
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[07:55:36] <elektronkind> a separate license will keep the two OSes at arms-length and promote a healthy ecosystem
[07:55:48] <elektronkind> a "separate license" being the cddl
[07:55:54] <Error_404> one not filled with linux code...
[07:55:59] <Error_404> that crap's terrible
[07:56:10] <elektronkind> erm, well, yeah. I was just being more diplomatic :)
[07:57:08] <elektronkind> I don't call it a win for solaris if all we end up getting is the ability to add a dodgy driver for a 10 year old cyclades serial card.
[07:58:26] <elektronkind> in reality, aside from some nagging and soon-to-be-resolved issues, nevada supports pretty much every major ethernet, disk, storage and video card chipset on the market today, and especially for servers.
[07:58:44] <elektronkind> s/issues/sata support issues
[07:59:01] <Error_404> and i don't like the wifi subsystem
[07:59:07] <Error_404> but that's being resolved
[07:59:51] <Error_404> and i don't bitch about it because my card works well enough & if i cared enough to bitch, i'd care enough to fix it & not whine
[07:59:52] <edwardocallaghan> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/install/mockupScreenshots/ This would be fantastic !
[08:00:33] <edwardocallaghan> Well is the Java Desktop not Gnome?
[08:00:34] <boyd> Bah! I don't want all the overhead of starting a live DVD just to kick off an install
[08:00:53] <edwardocallaghan> For the desktop user build
[08:01:05] <Error_404> i don't want the overhead of not being able to install it via serial console
[08:01:10] <elektronkind> java desktop is sun marketting-speak for gnome, yes.
[08:01:18] <Error_404> no textmode = useless.
[08:01:25] <boyd> +1
[08:01:33] <edwardocallaghan> Gnome is from around the area of Linux
[08:01:45] <edwardocallaghan> Keep the old installer
[08:01:49] <elektronkind> live cd has its uses in terms of getting people on board. jumpstart sure isn't going away.
[08:02:08] <elektronkind> if it's there and doesn't step on anything... fine, so be it.
[08:02:11] <edwardocallaghan> I am saying have a Desktop build
[08:02:31] <twincest> jumpstart isn't the same as an interactive serial install
[08:03:05] <Error_404> tbh, i don't really care about getting point & drool retards on board...
[08:03:07] <edwardocallaghan> Or as DVD are getting bigger now with dual layer then maybe have both installers on broad
[08:03:18] <Error_404> i want a good solid operating system, not linux
[08:03:19] <elektronkind> well duh. okay... technicality... you're using different begin/finish scripts.
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[08:03:58] <edwardocallaghan> So do I but I also want more users so I get drivers with my new bit of hardware
[08:04:17] <elektronkind> sounds rather selfish
[08:04:34] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: cos that has worked so well for linux
[08:04:37] <elektronkind> can you code C in any capacity?
[08:04:42] <Error_404> i just buy supported hardware... *shrug*
[08:05:45] <elektronkind> but waaahh I want my latest piece of shit from taiwan to work!
[08:06:02] <elektronkind> cry moan sob
[08:06:05] <dlg> elektronkind: taiwanese vendors are more likely to supply doco
[08:06:08] <Error_404> even if it introduces race conditions to the kernel *whine*
[08:06:16] <dlg> elektronkind: its the american shit you should be crying about
[08:06:36] <Error_404> how many of the month of kernel bugs were because of linux's race conditions causing security flaws?
[08:07:34] <twincest> personally, the "we only want experts to be able to use solaris" attitude that pervades the solaris community pisses me off
[08:07:39] <boyd> Tpenta: Looking up!
[08:07:44] <twincest> how can you learn to be an expert if you can't even install it?
[08:08:24] <Error_404> i don't want only experts using solaris, i just don't want solaris to end up like linux... pandering to the lowest common denominator of users and sacraficing code quality in the process
[08:09:17] <dlg> Error_404: solaris has better leadership than linux, i can't see it heading that way
[08:10:04] <twincest> error: and you think an easy to use installer is doing that?
[08:10:28] <Error_404> no, an easy installer is symptomatic of a push towards adoption over quality
[08:10:36] <trygvis> heh
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[08:10:40] <boyd> Error_404: Along the lines of Linux commenting on Gnome?
[08:10:50] <twincest> so anything that's easy to use is reducing quality?
[08:10:53] <trygvis> since when is a graphical installer stopping a product from beeing a quality product?
[08:11:02] <boyd> Error_404: Err... "Linus"
[08:11:26] <Error_404> no, ease of use doesn't mean lack of quality
[08:11:31] <twincest> do you think ZFS is low quality because it's easier to use than UFS?
[08:11:35] <Error_404> i'm not criticising the installer
[08:12:06] <edwardocallaghan> My point are what twincest is saying, just he says it better
[08:12:49] <twincest> error: i didn't say you were, you criticised solaris: that it's easy to use (= nicer installer) means it wants "adoption over quality"
[08:12:49] <edwardocallaghan> I'm not good with getting my point across with writing
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[08:14:00] <Error_404> twincest: I didn't say that that's what it is, but I do think that some examination should be put in to make sure that that's not the case before blindly rushing towards making it easy as first priority
[08:14:01] <edwardocallaghan> Yes I am here for Quality as well but, a quality installer would also be nice
[08:14:19] <McBofh> edwardocallaghan: you can't install quality... it's not packaged
[08:14:27] <dwc-> dlg: I have atheros, broadcom, and prism 2.5
[08:14:40] <twincest> error: you don't trust sun to do that?  is there any evidence they are not doing that?
[08:14:43] <dlg> dwc-: prism2.5 is going to be the best supported
[08:14:48] <edwardocallaghan> That's funny McBofh
[08:14:53] <dlg> dwc-: the broadcom is insanely bad hardware
[08:14:56] <edwardocallaghan> So its not in a RPM hehe
[08:14:58] <dlg> atheros are just arseholes
[08:15:03] <McBofh> edwardocallaghan: thankyou ... I try :) ..... but I'm keeping my day job
[08:15:13] <moazamraja> re
[08:15:15] <dwc-> the best supported of the not-supported? yep ;)
[08:15:35] <edwardocallaghan> broadcom is very bad but they are in so many new laptops
[08:15:36] <Error_404> twincest: I trust sun in as far as they haven't let me down so far... but ultimately they're a company, so the more people that buy solaris support contracts, the better for them
[08:15:37] <moazamraja> I'm trying to configure a zone on my system, but the IP/Gateway/Route is totally different
[08:15:38] <dlg> dwc-: yeah
[08:15:43] <dwc-> I do suspect I won't get a sparc HAL
[08:15:44] <moazamraja> and hence, I'm running into issues :/
[08:15:57] <moazamraja> how in lords name do I set the default route on this zone?
[08:16:01] <boyd> Damn.... I wanna kick off this SXCR download... Stinkin' timezones
[08:16:04] <dwc-> you don't moazamraja
[08:16:05] <dlg> dwc-: the broadcom is just a really bad chip
[08:16:15] <dlg> it would be hard to code a driver for it even with doco
[08:16:16] <dlg> its that bad
[08:16:21] <dwc-> there is no per-zone routing tables
[08:16:33] <moazamraja> dwc-: sooo...how do I run a zone which has a different IP/gateway/network ?
[08:16:35] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: not so much anymore
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[08:16:43] <dwc-> your best shot is policy-routing via ipfilter
[08:16:52] <dwc-> but you'll have to either build your own ipfilter
[08:16:59] <edwardocallaghan> And its not any better with some HP source hehe
[08:17:06] <dwc-> wait for s10 11/06
[08:17:15] <dwc-> or pick it up from an sx build, etc.
[08:17:30] <boyd> This would be part of instances, IIRC
[08:17:42] <Error_404> dlg: solution: don't buy junk hardware
[08:17:55] <edwardocallaghan> I don't but people do
[08:17:58] <dlg> Error_404: i dont :)
[08:18:04] <dwc-> I buy junk hardware sometimes
[08:18:06] <moazamraja> argggh...this is not good.
[08:18:11] <edwardocallaghan> Good
[08:18:18] <dlg> have i ever complained about the lack of a wireless driver here?
[08:18:22] <dwc-> that broadcom card came free with the wireless router I wanted for $10
[08:18:33] <Error_404> nope
[08:18:51] <dlg> what amuses me is when i have good hardware that is unsupported
[08:19:06] <edwardocallaghan> Note to everyone I am not complaining just to let you know
[08:19:34] <edwardocallaghan> I just want more Solaris around me on Desktops
[08:19:35] <dwc-> what I hate is when they take previously good hardware, change the innards, and don't bother to change the model number, and continue selling it
[08:19:48] * dwc- kicks all the prism 54 cards
[08:20:07] <edwardocallaghan> I like PRISM
[08:20:18] <dlg> dwc-: all the vendors do that
[08:20:23] <dlg> edwardocallaghan: why?
[08:20:39] <dwc-> yea? they're not bad. I just dislike the softmac prism54s all the mfrs replaced the fullmacs with
[08:21:04] <edwardocallaghan> The one of the better ways to microwave yourself
[08:21:34] <Error_404> I've got an atheros chip in this laptop... *shrug* works fine
[08:21:40] <trygvis> http://tweakers.net/reviews/657/6
[08:22:03] <dwc-> my ath chip'd card works great ... in the x86 laptop
[08:22:21] <trygvis> the niagra cpu had a really weird performance graph there
[08:23:16] <moazamraja> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=96006&tstart=105
[08:23:38] <moazamraja> this guy seems to have gotten the seperate network/gateway address working in a zone...tho i'm not sure i follow 100%
[08:25:30] <dwc-> wait for 11/06, then use ipfilter
[08:25:34] <dwc-> policy-based routing
[08:25:50] <twincest> policy routing is part of ipfilter?
[08:26:54] <dwc-> yes
[08:27:48] <twincest> how curious
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[08:28:23] <dwc-> something like
[08:28:30] <dwc-> pass out quick on eri0 to eri0:192.168.99.250 from 192.168.99.244/32 to any
[08:29:48] <moazamraja> shit
[08:29:50] <moazamraja> ARGGGH!
[08:29:57] <moazamraja> the whole thing just went down.
[08:30:02] <moazamraja> global zone and all
[08:30:19] <moazamraja> oh..no
[08:30:21] <moazamraja> it's back...
[08:31:52] <moazamraja> my network putzing is causing it some serious trouble..
[08:36:54] <edwardocallaghan> Is there a plan to have NTFS support in Solaris soon?
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[08:37:08] <edwardocallaghan> As its now marked as 'stable'
[08:37:17] <twincest> marked where?
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[08:39:58] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
[08:40:09] <edwardocallaghan> http://www.linux-ntfs.org/
[08:40:24] <dwc-> those use FUSE, right?
[08:40:42] <dwc-> don't hold your breath
[08:40:55] <jengelh> yup
[08:40:58] <jengelh> at least the 1st
[08:41:05] <jengelh> the second is the kernel fs afaik
[08:41:18] <jengelh> (that's currently in)
[08:41:43] <dwc-> the one in the kernel, last I checked had severe limitations
[08:41:55] 
[08:42:00] <edwardocallaghan> lol
[08:42:02] <dwc-> inability to create new files, delete files, change filesizes
[08:42:12] <dwc-> hardly seems "stable" to me
[08:42:15] <jengelh> i would not call that an inability, rather a lack of support from microsoft
[08:42:39] <dwc-> the driver code is unable to.
[08:42:42] <jengelh> but yes, ntfs3g beats it in all respect
[08:42:53] <jengelh> "Look no further" the ad wold say
[08:42:59] <dwc-> whether it's because it hasn't been reversed yet, or they haven't gotten around to it, it still doesn't work
[08:43:16] <boyd> There is a FUSE on soalris project.... but it's been quiet
[08:43:33] <edwardocallaghan> Well all I can say is ntfs-3g does infact work
[08:43:34] <jengelh> dwc-: or becausse they just moved on creating 3g
[08:43:37] <dwc-> gisburn should just iplement fuse in ksh93 ;)
[08:44:12] <edwardocallaghan> Also ntfs-3g has been tested very well
[08:44:34] <edwardocallaghan> I did some reading it to it last month
[08:44:41] <dwc-> looks like you need fuse first.
[08:45:06] <dwc-> and reading has been fine on ntfs, even in the kernel, for a long itme
[08:45:35] <boyd> dwc-: If you look at the roadmap you'll see that ksh93 fuse has to come after ksh93 kernel, which eveyone is waitiing for
[08:47:32] <edwardocallaghan> Sorry *about it
[08:47:43] <edwardocallaghan> I stayed up the whole night agine
[08:47:46] <edwardocallaghan> :p
[08:47:52] <edwardocallaghan> I am smashed
[08:47:54] <twincest> edward: those are not official Microsoft sites, how can they mark NTFS as stable?
[08:48:48] <noyb> jmcp: are you back at Sun?
[08:50:35] <edwardocallaghan> Microsoft does not = stable anyway
[08:51:06] <twincest> then i don't understand what you mean when you said NTFS is marked as stable
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[08:52:22] <razrX> morning all
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[08:52:46] <Error_404> stable isn't the same thing as "doesn't crash"... stable can also mean unchanging
[08:52:51] <boyd> noyb: He's contracting back
[08:52:53] <boyd> for a while
[08:52:57] <Error_404> as in, solaris' DDI is stable, linux's is very much not
[08:53:17] <noyb> boyd: ok, thanks...  I was confused earlier today when I saw him on #onnv
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[08:54:25] <edwardocallaghan> I mean NTFS-3g on there site (not me) says its stable
[08:54:40] <edwardocallaghan> I have not had a problem with it, it works very well
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[08:55:09] <edwardocallaghan> And 20PB have been moved around on it and not did not lose anything !
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[08:55:32] <edwardocallaghan> I read that quot from 'Linux Format' a UK mag
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[08:56:06] <edwardocallaghan> Guys, I must goto sleep even though its 8am
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[08:57:15] <edwardocallaghan> Thanks for everything and hope to see you guys soon...
[08:57:18] <boyd> Anyone know where in current builds the webconsole get's started from?
[08:57:28] <moazamraja> damnit....all I need to do to get this zone to work is to somehow change the default gateway from 216.218.190.34 to 216.218.190.33
[08:57:31] <moazamraja> driving me effing nuts
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[09:12:01] <moazamraja> ok...got it
[09:12:03] <moazamraja> whew :/
[09:12:08] <moazamraja> how...ghetto. but it works.
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[09:13:59] <noyb> moazamraja: what did you do that was "ghetto" ?
[09:14:17] <moazamraja> well...
[09:14:29] <moazamraja> to create a default route for a different network, for my zone...
[09:14:35] <moazamraja> i had to go to the global zone
[09:14:49] <moazamraja> and ifconfig bge0 addif IP/29 up
[09:15:00] <moazamraja> route add default <gateway ip>
[09:15:08] <moazamraja> ifconfig bge0 removeif IP
[09:15:22] <moazamraja> zoneadm -z mylilzone boot
[09:15:25] <moazamraja> that worked
[09:18:35] <noyb> so you couldn't modify the interface address from within the zone.  It's probably a privelege problem.
[09:19:17] <boyd> It's deliberate. A zone should not be able to choose it's IP address, since it's considered untrusted
[09:19:52] <noyb> I agree.
[09:20:07] <moazamraja> yeah, I know it's deliberate
[09:20:10] <noyb> sys_net_config seems right.  Not sure.
[09:20:15] <moazamraja> I'm just saying, the workaround is ghetto
[09:20:17] <moazamraja> but hey, it works
[09:21:12] <noyb> not sure "ghetto" is the the right level of respect for a well-thought-out security architecture...  :)
[09:23:29] <moazamraja> hehe
[09:24:30] <moazamraja> odd...the godaddy.com dns servers cant find a damn thing :/
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[09:26:18] <Error_404> moazamraja: but they're cheap
[09:26:40] <moazamraja> sure...but they should find a dns lookup which hasnt changed for...a year?
[09:26:44] <moazamraja> something must be wrong
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[09:42:20] <jteo> re.
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[09:43:31] <Error_404> er
[09:47:43] <moazamraja> re all
[09:48:02] <moazamraja> I need to remove an inherited dir in a zone...after the zone has already been installed
[09:48:39] <moazamraja> Zone quadcode already installed; remove inherit-pkg-dir not allowed.
[09:48:41] <moazamraja> :(
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[09:51:08] <quasi> no can do
[09:51:14] <moazamraja> oh boy...
[09:51:17] <moazamraja> that's not good... :)
[09:51:32] <richlowe> I wonder if I'm totally misunderstanding how this works.
[09:51:37] <quasi> well, I suppose you might be able to hack it...
[09:51:37] <richlowe> ... or whether it just doesn't work.
[09:51:46] * richlowe is leaning toward the latter.
[09:51:49] <moazamraja> i code just...putz with the .xml file
[09:51:50] <moazamraja> which is a no no
[09:52:05] <Firefishe> I"m installing Solaris 10 for the first time.  My installer is showing "The system is being initialized, please wait" and the progress bar is stuck on 50%.  Install is on a Compaq Presario 2100 laptop, IDE-ATA drive.
[09:52:22] <jteo> richlowe, you're referring to moazamraja's problem?
[09:52:58] <jteo> i suspect one could hack the xml file and copy the directory into the zone root.
[09:53:10] <quasi> moazamraja: you'd also need to copy the files and perhaps the pkgdb
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[09:56:56] <richlowe> jteo: no.
[10:00:29] <moazamraja> this is REAAAAALLY wierd
[10:00:52] <moazamraja> somehow...one of my zone users was able to create symlinks inside of /usr/local ...which is a inherited dir
[10:00:56] <moazamraja> and is read-only
[10:02:38] <quasi> so now they show up in the global zone as well?
[10:03:15] <moazamraja> yeah
[10:03:19] <moazamraja> very very freaky
[10:03:28] <moazamraja> i cant even delete the links in the global zone...even as root
[10:03:37] <moazamraja> oh
[10:03:39] <moazamraja> wait
[10:03:40] <moazamraja> i can
[10:03:43] <moazamraja> wtf is going on...
[10:04:32] <richlowe> symlinks, or hard links?
[10:04:37] <moazamraja> but how the hell did a zone user create the links...
[10:04:44] <moazamraja> rsync:          symbolic link to /opt/rsync/bin/rsync
[10:04:46] <moazamraja> symlink
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[10:06:04] <richlowe> give me a while to ponder that.
[10:06:22] <moazamraja> hehe
[10:06:29] <moazamraja> me and u both :)
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[10:07:29] <moazamraja> fs:
[10:07:29] <moazamraja>         dir: /usr/local
[10:07:29] <moazamraja>         special: /usr/local
[10:07:29] <moazamraja>         raw not specified
[10:07:29] <moazamraja>         type: lofs
[10:07:30] <moazamraja>         options: []
[10:09:43] <richlowe> I think that must have been done in the global.
[10:10:01] <moazamraja> thats what i'm thinking...but...damn, i dont remember doing it...
[10:10:04] <quasi> moazamraja: right - that seems like rw
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[10:10:14] <moazamraja> and...worse, the links that it points to dont exist in the global zone
[10:10:25] <moazamraja> quasi: hmm
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[10:11:33] <quasi> moazamraja: in fact I've got another similar mount that looks exactly the same and can be written from both global and local
[10:11:56] <moazamraja> hmm, luckily, only 1 of the zones actually uses that mount
[10:12:09] <moazamraja> i need to somehow move that mount out of that zone...
[10:12:14] <quasi> moazamraja: options: [ro,nodevices]
[10:12:19] <moazamraja> ahh
[10:12:45] <richlowe> zonecfg -z thatzone
[10:12:50] <richlowe> remove fs dir=/usr/local
[10:13:02] <moazamraja> wont let u do that on an installed zone
[10:13:14] <quasi> yes it will
[10:13:29] <quasi> it is an lofs mount
[10:13:30] <richlowe> It should.
[10:13:33] <richlowe> what you pasted isn't an inherited dir.
[10:13:35] <moazamraja> oooh, i was doing remove inherited-kg-dir...
[10:13:36] <richlowe> just an added filesystem.
[10:13:38] <moazamraja> that was dumb of me
[10:13:39] <moazamraja> :P
[10:13:40] <moazamraja> thx
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[10:13:56] <moazamraja> this is what happens when you do stuff way late at night :(
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[10:22:58] <Firefishe> Can someone tell me if it is absolutely necessary to have an /export/home and / (root, of course, is necessary) instead of just / and a /swap partition?
[10:23:47] <Error_404> I don't even have a swap partition
[10:23:50] <Error_404> just /
[10:24:04] <Error_404> i put swap on ZFS for no particular reason
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[10:25:00] <Firefishe> Error_404: I've heard of ZFS.  What is it for?
[10:25:14] <moazamraja> O.O
[10:25:26] <richlowe> Error_404: I seem to end up with swap on ZFS whether I start that way or otherwise.
[10:25:30] * richlowe mutters about lint's memory usage.
[10:25:31] <scaner> How to set sshd server autostart when system boot up?
[10:25:36] <andersmo> Firefishe: Not absolutely necessary, but could be convenient. If the root file system goes full, lots of stuff breaks, so isolating users' home directories from the root file system is often a good idea. =)
[10:25:40] <richlowe> scaner: svcadm enable ssh
[10:25:57] <Error_404> Firefishe: short answer, it's for storing files
[10:25:59] <richlowe> though I believe that's the default, so the chances are you managed to not install ssh.
[10:26:14] <Error_404> long answer, it's got a ton of features that no other filesystem can match
[10:26:15] <trygvis> andersmo: yay quotas :)
[10:26:24] <Berny> morning
[10:26:25] <Firefishe> andersmo: oh, I know that from linux partitioning, I'm just not quite up on solaris structure yet.  I finally got my temperamental hard drive to work...connection issues with the physical connector.
[10:26:43] <richlowe> It's also near impossible (or at least, nonsensical) to use liveupgrade when your home directories and / are on the same filesystem.
[10:26:44] <scaner> richlowe: Ok, thanks, I will try.
[10:26:53] <richlowe> (since you're going to end up copying all the homedirs between boot environments)
[10:26:57] <andersmo> ooooh... Temperamental - so _that's_ what /tmp is for? =)
[10:27:37] <Firefishe> Error_404: I'm in the partitioning stage on my first install of Solaris 10.  I could use some assistance, if you'd have time.
[10:28:14] <Error_404> well, i'm heading to bed, but if you ask, other people in here can help you out
[10:28:27] <Firefishe> k...be well, and thanks
[10:28:30] <moazamraja> u can slap everything in /
[10:28:35] <scaner> Another question: I create /etc/resolv.conf and modify hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, but it seems not work.
[10:28:40] <moazamraja> if you're just learning...you'll be reinstalling soon enough anyways
[10:29:00] <scaner> host command can get result,  but ping/ssh can't resolv hostname
[10:29:07] <moazamraja> nslookup ?
[10:29:15] <moazamraja> try to ping your gateway
[10:29:31] <scaner> bash-3.00# nslookup www.sun.com
[10:29:31] <scaner> Server:         10.6.33.158
[10:29:31] <scaner> Address:        10.6.33.158#53
[10:29:31] <scaner> Non-authoritative answer:
[10:29:31] <scaner> Name:   www.sun.com
[10:29:31] <scaner> Address: 72.5.124.61
[10:29:34] <Firefishe> moazamraja:  I usually install linux with just / and a /swap partition, it's worked for me for years.
[10:29:41] <moazamraja> Firefishe: so there u go
[10:29:43] <scaner> bash-3.00# ping www.sun.com
[10:29:44] <scaner> ping: unknown host www.sun.com
[10:29:47] <Firefishe> solaris any different?
[10:30:10] <moazamraja> Firefishe: it's personal preference....or 'good behavior'
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[10:31:15] <scaner> bash-3.00# grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
[10:31:16] <scaner> # DNS for hosts lookups, otherwise it does not use any other naming service.
[10:31:16] <scaner> # "hosts:" and "services:" in this file are used only if the
[10:31:16] <scaner> hosts:      files dns
[10:31:16] <scaner> # before searching the hosts databases.
[10:31:19] <Firefishe> moazamraja:  What I mean to inquire about is this ZFS (Z File System?) a requisite for install.  If so, might you point me out to a document that would explain it to me, please?
[10:31:29] <moazamraja> Firefishe: ZFS is not required to install
[10:32:08] <moazamraja> ZFS is an advanced filesystem with built in backup (snapshot) facilities, and other cool stuff like on the fly compression, and in general it makes managing a system with multipe disks/partitions very easy
[10:32:29] <andersmo> Firefishe: You can play with it after installation, if you've got some disk space that isn't used by swap or a file system. =)
[10:32:29] <Firefishe> ah, thank you
[10:32:34] <moazamraja> scaner: ping  10.6.33.158
[10:32:38] <jteo_> there's google.
[10:32:54] <scaner> bash-3.00# ping 10.6.33.158
[10:32:55] <scaner> 10.6.33.158 is alive
[10:33:01] <Firefishe> Well, this is only one disk on a laptop
[10:33:27] <scaner> nslookup can get dns response from 10.6.33.158 ...
[10:33:28] <ofu> Firefishe: you can use file-devices if the devices are >100MByte
[10:33:31] <Firefishe> but you're saying if I want to play with ZFS, then leave some free space?
[10:33:59] <Firefishe> ofu: it's a 30gb hard drive
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[10:35:03] <Firefishe> Is there a good primer book on Solaris 10 that I might obtain?  Preferably something current.
[10:35:35] <jengelh> solaris 10 administrator's guide from docs.sun.com?
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[10:35:56] <Firefishe> thanks jengelh
[10:36:05] <moazamraja> Firefishe: you can also print that stuff from docs.sun.com
[10:36:10] <moazamraja> they let you download the docs as PDFs
[10:36:17] <Firefishe> that saves a lot of headache
[10:36:25] <Firefishe> thanks for the heads up on that one
[10:36:42] <Firefishe> now I won't have to scour Barnes and Noble.com for new paper ;)
[10:37:02] <Firefishe> so basically, to get me started, I just need / and /swap, correct?
[10:37:26] <Firefishe> ofu:  what does file-devices do?
[10:37:54] <ofu> Firefishe: dd if=/dev/zero of=/disks/disk1 bs=1024k count=128
[10:37:59] <andersmo> ofu: what he's saying is that ZFS file systems (or ZFS pools, as they are called) can be created on top of regular files in UFS file systems.
[10:38:06] <andersmo> oops, sorry. =)
[10:38:14] <andersmo> Firefishe: ^ the last one was for you. =)
[10:38:33] <ofu> create files and use them as zfs "disks"
[10:39:11] <andersmo> Firefishe: it comes at a performance cost, but it works well enough for playing with ZFS and learning about it. =)
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[10:39:52] <ofu> andersmo: how much performance do you expect from one laptop drive anyway?
[10:39:55] <Error_404> like writing garbage all over one of your vdevs to simulate a dead disk
[10:40:46] <Firefishe> not much ofu, ;)  I just want to learn a little Solaris.  Obviously, this would be better on my desktop x86 or a SPARC station, but I'm not savvy on getting one of them yet.
[10:41:24] <Firefishe> I just want to set up a basic system with X on my laptop for learning Solaris and a little programming
[10:41:37] <moazamraja> you dont need ZFS for now
[10:41:42] <Firefishe> or maybe a lot of programming.
[10:41:47] * ofu started testing zfs in a vmware, that is so slow
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[10:41:59] <Firefishe> sounds like it, ofu
[10:42:04] <Firefishe> vmware is a bloat hog anyway ;) hee
[10:42:25] <Firefishe> but it does work, I'll give it that
[10:42:26] <andersmo> (but you definitely want to play with it - it's great fun to set up redundant zpools and then try to kill it in various ways that it's designed to handle. =)
[10:42:44] <Firefishe> hee...I like the way you guys think
[10:43:03] <Firefishe> which is why I'm doing this on my lappie...I just like mobility, I guess.
[10:43:12] <richlowe> ztest does some real evil stuff to it.
[10:43:17] <andersmo> And you'll love dtrace once you've tried it on a real problem. =)
[10:43:27] <ofu> andersmo: if a failed scsi drive stalls the scsi-bus, what can i do?
[10:43:40] <moazamraja> andersmo: even OS X has dtrace now :P
[10:43:51] <moazamraja> well...the dev version
[10:43:52] <Firefishe> I've heard of it, some kind of major problem solver?
[10:44:21] <Firefishe> moazamraja:  I have a G4 powerbook, as well.  Currently playing with ubuntu-ppc on it.  Not half bad.
[10:44:36] <moazamraja> <-- iMac 24"
[10:44:45] <Firefishe> kewl
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[10:44:47] <moazamraja> but i ssh into my Sun box
[10:45:01] <Firefishe> have your own sparc system, do ya?
[10:45:07] <moazamraja> a sparc and an intel
[10:45:12] <moazamraja> intel = x2100
[10:45:17] <moazamraja> sparc = sunblade 2000
[10:45:25] <Firefishe> what's a used sparc go for these days?
[10:45:30] <moazamraja> i bought mine dirt cheap
[10:45:37] <Firefishe> sunblade...rack server?
[10:45:42] <moazamraja> nope, desktop
[10:45:58] <Firefishe> it's new hardware to me, although, of course, I've heard of it.
[10:45:58] <moazamraja> 2gigs of RAM, 1 disk, 2 CPUs, $350-$400...dont remember now
[10:46:08] <Firefishe> nice
[10:46:15] <andersmo> ofu: I've set up a machine (an old Enterprise 450) for ZFS testing with the zpool redundancy spread across controllers - no two disks on the same controller are in the same failure group, so in theory it should handle the loss of a bus or controller. I just haven't had the cojones to actually try and remove one of the bus cables while running yet. =)
[10:46:28] <jteo_> that's cos you don't live outside the USA like me. shipping kills.
[10:46:31] <moazamraja> http://www.mast.queensu.ca/computing/photos/stat_02.jpg    <-- SB2000
[10:46:33] <moazamraja> not mine tho
[10:47:19] <ofu> andersmo: yes, also used e450 for testing... so i ran into this issue
[10:47:21] <andersmo> E450s full of old disks are great zfs playgrounds. =)
[10:48:25] <ofu> but i could not get >50MByte linear read or write
[10:48:27] <moazamraja> yuhp...but loud
[10:48:32] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:53:02] <Firefishe> Well, install seems to be doing all right (crosses fins)
[10:53:04] <Firefishe> ;)
[10:56:10] <ofu> where can i find a prtdiag-patch for x4600?
[10:56:35] <moazamraja> sunsolve?
[10:58:17] <ofu> ah, prtdiag is included in 118855-19, so i got the latest one :-(
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[11:15:25] <Snake007uk> morning
[11:15:50] <Snake007uk> guys i have three ultra 2's. Wondering if it was worth buying a sun blade 1000
[11:15:52] <Snake007uk> blade 100
[11:16:39] <hali> blade 100? no
[11:16:42] <hali> blade 1000? yes
[11:16:49] <lasseoe> depends on ones needs
[11:20:23] <jteo_> 3 U2? ...
[11:23:22] <Snake007uk> i have three U2's all of which are the following specification: 2 * 400mhz 2gig mem
[11:23:42] <Snake007uk> the blade 100 = ultrasparc-IIe 1 gig memory
[11:30:15] <trygvis> why don't you just get a single x2200?
[11:30:54] <Snake007uk> lol
[11:31:06] <Snake007uk> coz i dont have 300 pounds
[11:31:32] <jteo_> instead you're just going to spend a little bit here and there on blade 100s
[11:32:06] <Snake007uk> :(
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[11:41:59] <richlowe> I doubt the blade100 would do much better than the u2s.
[11:42:14] * richlowe wouldn't be surprised if it were to do worse
[11:44:11] <Snake007uk> ok, just wondering... i need to get some new sun kit :).... better start saving.. wont have much left after i get my mac pro :)
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[11:47:22] <coolvibe> hey guys
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[11:55:00] <coolvibe> hm, what is the best way to get swap statistics (usage etc.).. kstat or swapctl?
[11:55:32] <coolvibe> it also needs to work on Solaris 8 :P
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[11:57:19] <quasi> coolvibe: vmstat
[11:57:38] <jteo_> coolvibe, vmstat -p
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[11:58:10] <coolvibe> from within a C program of course :)
[11:58:45] <quasi> coolvibe: c can parse the output of a system call ;)
[11:58:56] <coolvibe> quasi: yech :)
[11:59:11] <jteo> what kind of swap statistics?
[11:59:23] <coolvibe> jteo: just how much there is, and how much is used
[11:59:40] <jteo> you could probably grok vmstat's source and see how it gets the info
[12:00:08] <coolvibe> jteo: that's an idea
[12:00:22] <richlowe> swap -l?
[12:00:49] <coolvibe> richlowe: swap uses swapctl, that's why I was wondering
[12:00:56] <coolvibe> vmstat uses kstat
[12:01:08] <coolvibe> I was wondering which was better :)
[12:02:15] <coolvibe> as long as I don't have to mess with libkvm, I don't want my program to run suid root :)
[12:08:51] <Vanuatoo> Is JDK 6 delayed?
[12:12:29] <gustav3d> sure seems so
[12:15:40] <Plaidrab> I would use the U2s
[12:15:42] <Vanuatoo> The last binary snapshot was released on november 1st
[12:15:51] <Plaidrab> yay backscroll. Whoops
[12:18:07] <gustav3d> jdk7 b3 got plenty of bug fixes though
[12:26:30] <richlowe> Nevada current contains 1.6.0-rc
[12:26:33] <richlowe> (says java -version)
[12:27:00] <twincest> jdk7 is up to b3 when 6 hasn't even been released?
[12:27:19] <richlowe> twincest: ... that's fairly normal as far as release management goes.
[12:27:29] <richlowe> branching the next one as you put the finishing touches on 'this one'
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[12:28:08] <twincest> not where i come from :)
[12:28:39] <twincest> normally i'd branch X, then work on HEAD until X+1 is ready for a beta
[12:29:37] <richlowe> twincest: well, given with teamware you have no HEAD...
[12:29:56] <twincest> couldn't you just create a repository and name it head?
[12:29:59] <richlowe> starting n+1 from n sometime before n is released is equivalent...
[12:30:26] <twincest> yeah but i wouldn't expect to be releasing betas from the X+1 branch before X has even been released
[12:30:41] <richlowe> b-as-in-build, not b-as-in-beta
[12:30:54] <twincest> ah.  that makes more sense :-)
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[14:07:53] <Posixzombie> question about DTrace: I want to dtrace ioctl calls which are caused by executing a method in a kernel module I wrote ; I wrote  a simple script for dtrace which can do this on some executable (like "date"). And it works
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[14:08:13] <Posixzombie> Now I want to use it on my module which is called (say) myModule
[14:08:34] <Posixzombie> So I entered : /execname == myModule
[14:08:43] <Posixzombie> under the syscall::ioctl:entry line
[14:09:12] <Posixzombie> but I don't reach the printf () command under this line
[14:09:18] <Posixzombie> any ideas why ?
[14:11:34] <Vanuatoo> I know that adobe is doing new  flash player for linux. Does anyone know if we see flash 9 or newer in foreseeble future?
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[14:21:43] <jteo> Posixzombie, paste your full dtrace script in a pastebin please.
[14:21:49] <trygvis> rafb.net/paste
[14:26:27] <Posixzombie> thnks:
[14:26:29] <Posixzombie> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9GHgmc40.html
[14:27:00] <Posixzombie> I had followed in fbt example from
[14:27:17] <Posixzombie> Dynamic Tracing Guide
[14:27:34] <Posixzombie> and I do of course : modload myModule
[14:29:35] <jteo> Posixzombie, just to clarify: you want to trace all calls starting with ioctl, which is invoked from your kernel module?
[14:30:56] <Posixzombie> YEs
[14:31:40] <movement> Posixzombie: execname is the userspace application name
[14:31:58] <movement> Posixzombie: you should set traceme when you enter your kernel method, and use that as your method
[14:32:07] <movement> (why are you doing ioctl's from the kernel module?)
[14:32:33] <jteo> i was wondering that too...
[14:32:48] <jteo> Posixzombie, http://rafb.net/paste/results/asHhXZ13.html
[14:33:05] <Posixzombie> movement, jteo you are both right ; I am wrong here ; in fact what I try to do is
[14:33:23] <Posixzombie> print a trace of one method in a module I wrote
[14:33:36] <Posixzombie> I saw the fbt example and followed it
[14:33:40] <Posixzombie> But
[14:33:52] <Posixzombie> it does not call IOCTLs in fact
[14:33:53] <Posixzombie> so
[14:34:19] <Posixzombie> is there a way to trace a method (myModule:myMethod)
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[14:34:32] <Posixzombie> which is called in a kerenl modules
[14:34:35] <jteo> yes
[14:34:38] <movement> so why the ioctl stuff at all?
[14:34:42] <jteo> fbt:myModule:yourfunc:entry
[14:34:43] <movement> you're almost there
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[14:35:11] <Posixzombie> movement, the ioctl stuff is wrong; it was my mistake , sorry
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[14:42:14] <Posixzombie> I try:
[14:42:15] <Posixzombie>  dtrace -n 'fbt::myModule:myMethod:entry'
[14:42:15] <Posixzombie>
[14:42:15] <Posixzombie>  and get
[14:42:15] <Posixzombie>
[14:42:26] <Posixzombie> dtrace: invalid probe specifier
[14:42:27] <Posixzombie>  fbt::myModule:myMethod:entry: invalid probe description
[14:42:34] <Posixzombie> "fbt::myModule:myMethod:entry": Overspecified probe description
[14:42:41] <jteo> it's fbt:myModule:myMethod:entry
[14:42:49] <jteo> note the number of colons.
[14:45:06] <Posixzombie> jteo, OK ; it prints now many line, all the same
[14:45:21] <Posixzombie> saying : ...my_method:entry
[14:45:36] <jteo> obviously, since you didn't specify an action for the probe
[14:46:02] <jteo> so the default action is to just print the probe name everytime it fires.
[14:46:04] <Posixzombie> jteo, what should I do to add printing of the stack of calls which is done from myMethod?
[14:46:17] <movement> Posixzombie: look at the examples in the dtrace docs
[14:46:23] <movement> or presentations etc.
[14:46:36] <Posixzombie> self->traceme i assume
[14:46:39] <movement> you need to do the self->traceme = 1; thing on entry, = 0 on exit
[14:46:48] <movement> and fbt::: /self->trace/
[14:47:15] <Posixzombie> movement, thnks a lot
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[15:06:34] <jbk> morning
[15:08:17] <jteo> jbk, moin
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[15:59:19] <axisys> how do i get the cpu temperature using ipmitool on x2100?
[16:00:15] <quasi> ipmitool sdr
[16:01:05] <axisys> quasi: awesome
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[16:01:47] <axisys> quasi: i see in the man page there are lot of examples with lan.. what ip is that.. sp ip?
[16:02:50] <quasi> yeah
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[16:03:35] <axisys> quasi: since i dont have a sp i guess i wont be able to use that feature?!
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[16:10:46] <quasi> axisys: that sounds about right
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[16:59:03] <adam_z> since Solaris Express will be built on Nevada, there must be a  relationship of build version between them? Is there any note for this?
[16:59:18] <adam_z> we have nevada version at  http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt
[16:59:24] <adam_z> If I download Solaris Express, how do I know which version of Neveda it depends on or is built on?
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[17:15:53] <Error_404> adam_z: at the moment, if you download solaris express: :community release, you'll get ONNV 52
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[18:48:36] <nettie> Hi guys, does solaris 10 updated4 is based on the latest stable nevada?
[18:48:44] <jmcp> nope
[18:48:54] <hile_> hey james
[18:48:59] <hile_> what the hell are you doing up?
[18:49:01] <jmcp> s10u4 is (a) not released yet, and (b) based on a previous build
[18:49:04] <jmcp> hile_: gday
[18:49:08] <nettie> totally different trees?
[18:49:09] <jmcp> hile_: insomnia
[18:49:16] <jmcp> nettie: no, just diverged trees
[18:49:17] <Auralis> u3 isn't even out yet
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[18:49:44] <nettie> right, nevada is supposed to be solaris 11
[18:49:45] <nettie> ..
[18:49:52] <nettie> is it production ready?
[18:49:57] <jmcp> nettie: is what production ready?
[18:50:04] <nettie> nevada
[18:50:13] <nettie> I read joyent guys are using it so I suppose it is..
[18:50:18] <jmcp> well, *I* think it is production ready
[18:50:25] <quasi> nettie: don't count on nevada becomming 11
[18:50:29] <Auralis> depend son the production i would say
[18:50:30] <jmcp> but it really depends on your environment and requirements
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[18:51:12] <hile_> howdy Auralis
[18:51:13] <nettie> jmcp sorry for the troll questions but I'm pretty new to Solaris and I'm trying to figure out how things are :)
[18:51:46] <jmcp> no those aren't troll questions, they're quite valid
[18:52:07] <jmcp> nettie: I wouldn't put nevada / SX into production for a corp which wanted a support contract on it
[18:52:10] <nettie> jmcp well I basically I would like to start using it for hosting some rails apps we coded.
[18:52:25] <jmcp> hehehe ... #opensolaris is kinda de facto support for nevada :)
[18:52:56] <Auralis> solaris 10 is the current stable release, solaris express is the current metastable development snapshot, opensolaris/nevada is the current unstable development snapshot (basically)
[18:53:07] <nettie> ahhh
[18:53:10] <nettie> thanx guys
[18:53:15] <nettie> this clarified a lot
[18:53:16] <jmcp> nettie: well if you don't mind not being able to get patches for the OS (because nevada isn't yet a released product), then go with nevada. otherwise go s10u{2|...}
[18:53:50] <Auralis> sol10 gets patches and everything, express and nevada just get complet new releases and no patches
[18:53:56] <nettie> maybe starting with 10 u{something} should be a safer step for us..
[18:54:41] <jmcp> nettie: if you're new to Solaris in general, then yes
[18:55:33] <gustav3d> cant liveupdate be used as "patching" for nevada ?
[18:55:48] <jmcp> gustav3d: lu is technically different to an actual patch
[18:55:53] <Auralis> gustav3d: its still an upgrade to a newer release
[18:56:15] <gustav3d> its still a way to get fixes into a running system without reinstall ?
[18:56:20] <Auralis> patching is in place, LU is creating a new install in a diffefent place
[18:57:09] <Auralis> however with LU the actual downtime is comparable to a kernel patch downtime, a reboot
[18:57:10] <nettie> jmcp, Auralis thanx a lot, I really appreciated that
[18:57:18] <jmcp> you're welcome
[18:57:37] <nettie> I'll definitely stay around :)
[18:57:45] <gustav3d> auralis : thanks for the info
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[19:29:09] <pikapika> hello
[19:36:50] <twincest> Solaris grub supports UNDI.  was this a Sun addition or does the native grub too?
[19:37:21] <twincest> ah, patch
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[19:41:18] <nettie> jmcp do you have experience with solaris containers? how container migration is achieved? zfs send?
[19:41:32] <jmcp> I have some experience, but not with migrating them
[19:41:53] <jmcp> I haven't needed to migrate my containers :)
[19:42:24] <nettie> you have a SAN?
[19:42:53] <jmcp> not at home I don't
[19:42:56] <nettie> eheheeh
[19:43:05] <jmcp> at home I run my webserver/tomcat/blog/... in a container
[19:43:59] <nettie> got it, I thought you were running them on production as well
[19:44:06] <jmcp> no, got no need
[19:45:09] <hile_> well, i know how i'd migrate them :)
[19:45:14] <hile_> but it sure as hell ain't supported!
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[19:53:43] <esaxe_> hi all
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[19:55:49] <movement> hey
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[19:56:42] <esaxe> how's it going john?
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[20:22:42] <movement> esaxe: good, you?
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[20:28:07] <esaxe> not bad. :)
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[20:42:25] <jbk> hmm.. is it right that thr_create can return a something other than -1 or 0, and also *not* set errno?
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[20:43:10] <nprice> Just got my 6/06 media kit
[20:43:41] <nprice> :D
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[20:44:48] <delewis> yeah, I got mine serveral days ago :-)
[20:45:01] <delewis> I was expecting the full package, as in the one that runs around $50, but it's still quite nice :-)
[20:45:14] <nprice> can't complain for the price :)
[20:45:17] <delewis> all of the Development tools on a separate DVD is pretty convenient.
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[20:47:51] <esaxe> jbk: from looking at both the man page and the code, it doesn't look like thr_create(3C) does much with errno. It returns 0 if sucessful, and -1 or EAGAIN, EINVAL or ENOMEM if it fails.
[20:48:51] <jbk> interesting.. in some cases it's setting errno, and others it's not..
[20:49:02] <jbk> lemme reread it a bit more carefully..
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[20:56:05] <jbk> ahh i see now..
[20:56:10] <jbk> that's what i get for being in a hurry..
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[20:58:05] <nprice> http://jobs.osnews.com/view/4/97781 haha read this job posting thoroughly
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[21:02:23] * steleman chuckles at the KDE thread on osol-discuss
[21:08:23] <esaxe> mmm. threads programming in a hurry ;)
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[21:09:00] <steleman> pthread_mutex_lock(&kde_thread);
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[21:11:18] <_william_> hi all
[21:11:48] <esaxe> greetings
[21:13:08] <_william_> hi esaxe
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[21:27:54] * AbeFroman on a sunray
[21:27:57] <AbeFroman> i feel so special
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[21:48:22] <hile_> howdy rod
[21:48:31] <rodrickbrown> hi hile_
[21:48:38] <hile_> what's up?
[21:49:20] <rodrickbrown> nothing much
[21:49:29] <rodrickbrown> same old
[21:49:30] <rodrickbrown> Eliminate services listening to the network
[21:49:31] <rodrickbrown> > Some services disabled, others local-only
[21:49:34] <rodrickbrown> > Exception: Secure Shell (ssh)
[21:49:41] <rodrickbrown> Sun finally made it to 2001 :-)
[21:49:47] <rodrickbrown> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/security/projects/sbd/sbd_toi.pdf
[21:51:09] <hile_> you found a way to ssh from work?
[21:51:13] <hile_> er, irc from work, even?
[21:51:52] <rodrickbrown> tunneling through a box via 443
[21:54:31] <hile_> nice.
[21:57:31] <rodrickbrown> so how are things?
[21:57:51] <hile_> pretty good.
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[22:05:23] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
[22:06:09] <gisburn> alanc: Can you check whether my bug report for gai_strerror() is in the bug database, please ?
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[22:24:04] * gisburn uses a stick and pokes alanc to see whether it's still alive or not...
[22:24:14] <gisburn> eeewwww...
[22:24:16] <gisburn> dead
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[22:28:04] <alanc> gisburn: just got back from lunch
[22:28:20] <springfield> where are you alanc?
[22:28:27] <alanc> California
[22:28:51] <alanc> late lunch today because pre-lunch meeting didn't end until 12:45
[22:29:05] <springfield> mmmmm, meetings - I love 'em
[22:29:29] <alanc> gisburn: is that a recently filed bug?
[22:29:31] <gisburn> alanc: sorry for the "lets poke the roadkill with a stick"-joke...
[22:29:43] <gisburn> alanc: yes
[22:30:11] <alanc> I've been at work since 9 this morning since I had to be in early for a job interview, so I'm about as active as roadkill now
[22:30:36] <alanc> looks like there's nothing in the bugs.o.o triage queue right now
[22:30:37] <gisburn> alanc: job interview ? Do you leave Sun ?
[22:30:52] <alanc> no, interviewing someone applying for a job to work here
[22:31:34] <springfield> at my old place when I used to interview my fave. question was "what would you do if you could do /anything/"
[22:31:36] <alanc> my manager's leaving Sun, so they're having us help interview his replacement to make sure it's someone we can work with
[22:31:50] <springfield> best answer: lamborghini test driver
[22:32:00] <springfield> worst: develop a C string library
[22:33:03] <gisburn> alanc: who was your manager ?
[22:33:28] <alanc> I don't think you ever knew him - he didn't do much in X.Org
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[22:34:37] * gisburn wonders whether this is the "sinking ship"-syndrome... the rats leave the ship early...
[22:35:07] <alanc> I would never call my manager a rat
[22:35:14] <gisburn> erm
[22:35:16] <alanc> at least not publically 8-)
[22:35:20] <gisburn> that was a metaphor
[22:35:47] <alanc> I don't see any new bugs from you
[22:36:15] <gisburn> f*ck
[22:36:20] <gisburn> xx@@@!!!!
[22:37:03] <gisburn> ?????????????  !!
[22:37:25] <gisburn> ?????????????!!
[22:37:42] <springfield> gisburn: have you just fainted onto your keyboard?
[22:37:57] <gisburn> springfield: thats chinese
[22:38:00] <Darwin_> hes infected with ebola
[22:38:14] <springfield> gisburn: not in my terminal ;)
[22:38:18] * gisburn waits that springfield gets attacked by the chinese users in this channel
[22:38:19] <alanc> nah, chinese would be SARS
[22:38:49] <gisburn> Darwin_: well, Ebola can be ruled out in my case.
[22:40:10] <gisburn> springfield: this was chinese UTF-8 encoded... and it was the strongest curse I know in that language (but I guess stevel knows far more worse things in this area)
[22:40:51] <springfield> gisburn: I know how to swear in this channel: "linux"
[22:41:02] <gisburn> whimp
[22:41:07] <springfield> language agnostic too
[22:41:25] <gisburn> that's your strongest curse ?
[22:41:56] * gisburn rememebers the "strongest insult" contest a few days ago in this channel...
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[22:43:14] <springfield> gisburn: you're a win32 programmer... and you know the API off by heart - hows that?
[22:45:45] <_william_> i have a questions that may sound silly but.... is it possibile to install Solaris 10 on a sunPCI 2 ? (i mean i have a blade 2k running solaris 10 and a sunPCI and i want to install solaris 10x86 on the sunpci)
[22:48:56] <Auralis> no
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[22:50:14] <_william_> hu... too bad :(
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[22:50:31] <Auralis> sunpci2 isn't supportd in sol10 either
[22:50:32] <_william_> it would have been very handy to test my binaries under x86 version of soalris
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[22:51:04] <_william_> actually it works... maybe it is not officially supported, but it works :)
[22:53:43] <jmcp> morning all
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[22:57:53] <nprice> the sunpci is a full x86 pc I thought, it should work fine with just about any os you can throw at it, hardware=support permitting
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[23:02:49] <_william_> morning jmcp
[23:02:56] <_william_> ok nprice i'll give it a try
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[23:37:13] <jbk> when using kmem_flags to track a kernel memory leak, do you normally have to force a crash dump to then look for the leaks?
[23:37:52] <jmcp> yes
[23:38:05] <twincest> things i learnt today: there is a div() function in C
[23:38:11] <jbk> that's what i thought..so a reboot -d should do it..
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[23:42:50] <silk> jbk, uadmin may help also
[23:43:09] <jbk> i think a reboot -d ultimately calls uadmin
[23:43:10] <springfield> twincest: wow! the amout of times that would have been useful!
[23:43:12] <jbk> but i haven't looked
[23:43:56] <twincest> springfield: i assume it's faster than doing both / and % on some platforms
[23:44:57] <jmcp> the other thing is that if you have kmem_flags turned on, then if you have kernel code which is flaky you're more likely to get a crash dump
[23:45:29] <jbk> well
[23:45:39] <jbk> i'm 90% sure we're seeing a vxfs memory leak
[23:45:57] * jmcp chuckles
[23:46:01] <jbk> so it's really more to validate that
[23:46:16] <jbk> it wouldn't be so bad, but their answer every time is
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[23:46:58] <jbk> 'this point patch should only be applied after you have called in and we have verified the issue, and told you to install it'
[23:47:35] <jmcp> crud
[23:47:38] <jbk> basically, with 4.1MP1, we know it's there, we know there's a fix, but to follow their recommendations, we must wait until we experience problems, then install the fix (with their blessing)
[23:47:49] <jmcp> gah
[23:47:55] <jmcp> crudastic
[23:47:58] <jbk> I have a similar issue with EMC DMX's and their ASL :)
[23:48:12] <jbk> for some reason, it somtimes ignores certain luns
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[23:48:24] <jbk> which if you are using dmp, presents an issue
[23:48:38] <jbk> oh well.. the things that make life interesting..
[23:50:24] <jbk> i'm hoping perhaps with mpathadm coming for s10 here soon, perhaps that will allow us to switch
[23:50:46] <jbk> as i believe it supports clariions & symmetrixs (which is what we have for the most part)
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