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[00:01:59] <_william_> well Kmays it seems there was an error with pkgconfig on my home and i used some SFW instead of CSW. So i am not sure it compiles at home, i have to redo it
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[00:06:56] <Kmays> rreet.. something like xmodmap can help you or you can select it with X
[00:10:44] <Kmays> You may be able to use 'eeprom kbd-type=MyWickedKeymap' as well
[00:11:53] <Kmays> But usally changing this in Xorg.conf does the trick much easier.
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[00:15:15] <Kmays> William <- that is the issue with having both SFW and CSW on the system if you don't parse the script carefully.
[00:16:09] <Kmays> You don;t want to have too many versions of a lib in various directories and such.
[00:16:16] <_william_> yes i know... but i need it on my home box
[00:16:36] <_william_> when update 3 will be out, i'll reinstall it zones
[00:16:39] <_william_> with zones
[00:17:31] <_william_> the problem is also that several options from the makefiles are generated by ant with default values or retrieved by `pkg-config something`
[00:17:49] <Kmays> Ah..
[00:17:49] <_william_> it works out of the box, even if you don't set a good configuration
[00:18:20] <_william_> but on the build farm it does not work, and right now i am looking for difference in config files :(
[00:18:39] <Kmays> How did the diff go betwek the output on hte Sol 8 and your test system go? Anything obvious in the config.log?
[00:18:54] <Kmays> :D
[00:19:47] <Kmays> Seems you're on the right track..
[00:20:14] <Kmays> What was that fail you got?
[00:21:17] <_william_> a config dot what ? :-) i don't have a config log. It's mostly java stuff build by ant, and a small part is C/C++ source code with call to the cc compiler from ant
[00:21:27] <_william_> that's one of the uneasy part ;)
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[00:22:44] <Kmays> oh..the Java comments... did the Java on the build systems meet reqs?
[00:22:55] <_william_> i don't use gar
[00:22:59] <_william_> not for eclipse
[00:23:24] <_william_> for the rest there is a java5 jdk installed
[00:23:37] <_william_> it's not the last update, but it's enough
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[00:54:09] <_william_> gn
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[00:56:26] <axisys> i get this when compiling mutt on solaris 10 x86 http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3Ct5Zj35.html
[00:56:40] <axisys> any suggestion what i can do to fix it?
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[00:57:49] <Auralis> add export SHELL=/bin/bash in the Makefile at the beginning
[00:59:09] <dwc-> I was going to say comment out the line in the makefile, but I guess that's cuz I don't really need the manual in xml format
[00:59:18] <axisys> Auralis: cool that did it
[00:59:51] <axisys> dwc-:another good suggestion as well.. taken .. thnx
[01:00:28] <axisys> now coolest thing would be download sun studio 11 and compile w/ that :-)
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[01:59:51] <g4lt-U60> if ralpho (n=sabayonu at ip72-201-245-36 dot ph.ph.cox.net), bounce him
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[02:06:34] <Error_404> ?
[02:08:23] <g4lt-U60> he trolled #solaris
[02:11:44] <Error_404> erm... okay
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[02:35:32] <axisys> why does /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -V says Sun C 5.8 2005/10/13 .. i was expect number 11 somewhere since i install sun studio 11 :-)
[02:38:06] <Stric> was ss11 even released in 2005?
[02:44:44] <axisys> this explains the version http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/patches/ss11_patches.html
[02:57:59] <axisys> where is the make command on sunstudio?
[02:58:14] <axisys> can i just use gmake with sunstudio?
[02:59:42] <jbk> there is dmake
[02:59:47] <jbk> or just use /usr/ccs/bin/make
[02:59:51] <jbk> or you can use gmake
[03:00:03] <jbk> though dunno how well it works with the coupled ides
[03:03:21] <axisys> during configure do i need to add anyother parameters for suntudio besides CC=/opt/SUNSpro/bin/cc ?
[03:03:44] <jbk> usually no
[03:03:57] <jbk> depends on how crappy the automake stuff was done
[03:04:06] <jbk> if they hardcode gcc flags, you might have issues
[03:04:15] <jbk> thankfully i don't see *too* many things that do that
[03:05:36] <axisys> downloaded mutt src code.. let me see how the configure behaves w/ it
[03:07:36] <axisys> hmm.. in mutt just configure picks up gcc.. i do have /opt/SUNWspro/bin in my path.. heh
[03:09:13] <axisys> i see what is happening.. if gcc is found before cc in the path it picks up gcc..
[03:09:16] <Auralis> CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
[03:09:25] <axisys> Auralis: yep :-)
[03:10:23] <axisys> now i have a unrelated to compiler issue while compiling mutt
[03:10:36] <axisys> i am running configure like this
[03:10:37] <axisys> CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc ./configure --enable-hcache --enable-imap --enable-inodesort --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw
[03:10:55] <axisys> but i get this error configure: error: Try using libiconv instead
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[03:11:23] <Surghi> hi :)
[03:11:32] <axisys> looking at the config.log
[03:11:49] <Surghi> what are the differences between Solaris and OpenSolaris please?
[03:13:18] <jamesd>  4 letters?   "open"
[03:13:38] <Surghi> jamesd, well, solaris costs money,  opensolaris does not
[03:13:45] <Stric> it doesn't
[03:13:46] <Surghi> what do I get less with OpenSolaris?
[03:13:47] <axisys> there we go http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8V0ZdJ71.html
[03:13:52] <jamesd> Surghi, beep wrong
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[03:14:00] <Stric> Surghi: Solaris is a finished product, OpenSolaris is the work-in-progress that will become Solaris
[03:14:11] <Plaidrab> The only thing I'd say less is probably "Burn in" time on the code.
[03:14:12] <Surghi> oh
[03:14:26] <Surghi> is Solaris already a OS ready to use like Linux?
[03:14:34] <Surghi> or is it more thought for servers?
[03:14:47] <jamesd> Surghi, no.. solaris is much more stable and riobust
[03:14:54] <jamesd> er robust
[03:14:54] <Surghi> I wanted to install Linux Ubuntu on my laptop tomorrow but I am still searching for faster and better alternatives
[03:14:59] <axisys> how do i add "-liconv" on the config? in LDFLAGS ?
[03:15:11] <Plaidrab> I would not think it a better laptop distro.
[03:15:36] <Surghi> is there anything which solaris won't do for me what linux would?
[03:16:09] <Plaidrab> Run on an IBM Bladeserver?
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[03:16:29] <Plaidrab> Seriously though.
[03:16:41] <Plaidrab> What do you want to do?
[03:16:42] <Surghi> is Solaris faster than Linux?
[03:16:49] <Plaidrab> Depends on the hardware
[03:16:50] <jamesd> Surghi, dtrace, zfs, smf,  fireengine, scale
[03:16:55] <axisys> Surghi: i am using ubuntu since latest gnusolaris did not work out for me.. failed to install
[03:17:10] <axisys> Surghi: but just solaris xpress might have a better luck
[03:17:13] <Plaidrab> SunCluster too. :)
[03:17:20] <jamesd> Surghi, most of   benchmarks and world records are owned by solaris on  like hardware
[03:18:05] <Stric> Surghi: They are different.. the best way is to try both and see what you want
[03:18:07] <Surghi> Plaidrab, I want a PC for near everything,  graphic based work (blender, GIMP)  and  programming (webserver, PHP / Perl + texteditor with syntax highlighting)  and normal things like  watching videos and listening to music  (xmms,  MP3 and wma file support)
[03:18:13] <axisys> Surghi: if i were u .. i would just download burn solaris xpress cd/dvd and install that .. see how it works out
[03:18:20] <Surghi> I also need encodings like for  Quicktime,  Realplayer and Media Player
[03:18:40] <axisys> Surghi: but w/ ubuntu u sure wont have any issue
[03:18:51] <Plaidrab> You are more likely going to be happier with a Linux of some stripe
[03:19:06] <Surghi> why?
[03:19:17] <axisys> Surghi: all encoding will work w/ ubuntu
[03:19:30] <Surghi> won't the encodings work with solaris?
[03:19:50] <axisys> Surghi: probably.. i do not know.. i know it will work w/ ubuntu
[03:20:27] <axisys> i have wifi works, bluetooth work out o stock
[03:20:29] <Stric> mplayer should be able to use it on solaris/x86 as well
[03:20:34] <axisys> w/ ubuntu
[03:20:35] <coffman> axisys: aeh realplayer is default shiped, mplayer does build, xvid does build ..
[03:21:01] <axisys> coffman: sudo apt-get install mplayer <-- done
[03:21:05] <axisys> one command
[03:21:28] <coffman> *snars*
[03:21:30] <Stric> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[03:21:31] <Stric> ;)
[03:21:46] <axisys> u need to add multiverse and universe
[03:22:03] <coffman> pmpkg install <- done
[03:22:14] <coffman> axisys: i dont need apt
[03:22:17] <axisys> bascially all four catergories need to be enabled.. u can do w/ synaptics .. only once
[03:22:22] <g4lt-U60> hmm, pkg-get install mplayer
[03:22:27] <Plaidrab> Oh, you forgot Zones too. :)
[03:22:32] <axisys> g4lt-U60: yep
[03:22:39] <axisys> on sol
[03:22:52] <axisys> g4lt-U60: i was just responding to coffman
[03:23:18] * g4lt-U60 prefers xine
[03:23:24] <Stric> but basically I'd say solaris is more serverish and ubuntu is more enduserish (yes, I use both and have for many many years)
[03:23:28] <coffman> blastwave is...
[03:23:33] <axisys> basically depending on what u want on your laptop makes a big diff on what OS u like to go with
[03:23:56] <onbot> commit by Rick McNeal:  6495519 SUNWiscsitgtu improperly delivers root bits from a usr package
[03:24:27] <axisys> i would love to try sol xpress just for zfs
[03:24:46] <axisys> but currently i have to no time to backup all data and rebuild my laptop :-(
[03:25:25] <g4lt-U60> axisys, whjy not just use 10u2 then
[03:25:30] <axisys> zfs is the best ever happend for sysadmins like me.. wish it comes as a option during install and then i will be all zfs
[03:25:40] <coffman> any one knows dates for 11/06 and the next exp release (will it be nv53)?
[03:25:46] <g4lt-U60> no, no root zfs yet
[03:25:58] <axisys> g4lt-U60: i am waiting for it
[03:26:08] <dvorak> are there any preliminary release notes for 11/06?
[03:26:09] <axisys> then may swithc my laptop to sol
[03:26:18] <coffman> zfs will come in 10u4
[03:26:31] <axisys> coffman: u mean as root zfs ?
[03:26:39] <coffman> aeh yeah
[03:26:46] <axisys> coffman: awesome..
[03:26:51] <coffman> it should....
[03:27:04] <axisys> coffman: *should* ? i thought u knew
[03:27:29] <coffman> well since there is no 10u4 yet, not even beta.
[03:27:44] <Plaidrab> I'm kinda curious what Veritas is up to. They seem to be trying to convince folks ZFS doesn't make them irrelevant.
[03:28:09] <coffman> its scheduled for 10u4
[03:28:15] <axisys> Plaidrab: may be root filesystem
[03:28:35] <Plaidrab> ?
[03:28:50] <axisys> veritas can be used as root filesystem
[03:29:01] <coffman> well, there are still many unix shops around that just convert to solaris 9
[03:29:06] <axisys> to achieve zfs w/ same u need some hack
[03:29:15] <Plaidrab> oh, I know. I'm in one
[03:29:38] <coffman> some are even just migrate to 8 *shrug*
[03:29:45] <Plaidrab> axisys: We'll have root ZFS soon enough, I don't think that will be enough.
[03:29:50] <axisys> coffman: for server they are pretty solid
[03:30:07] <axisys> Plaidrab: :-)
[03:30:27] <coffman> axisys: yeah, if i would be a big corp runing oracle dbs on it...
[03:30:48] <axisys> coffman: we are pretty much solaris shop at our work..
[03:31:13] <axisys> coffman: we have 1000s of system running sol of diff versions
[03:31:18] <coffman> :)
[03:31:20] <axisys> from 6 to 10 :-)
[03:31:37] <axisys> i manage 300 of them
[03:32:49] <coffman> well, our backoffice runs solaris 10  on 4 servers
[03:33:20] <coffman> our old deployment runs on linux
[03:33:55] * coffman works at a small company
[03:51:37] <dvorak> you can't use vxfs as a root file system
[03:52:28] <Stric> you can "kinda" use vxvm (+ufs) on your root fs..
[03:53:19] <dvorak> well, other than vxvm isn't a fs
[03:53:30] <Stric> but it's a volume manager (that zfs is too)
[03:54:32] <jbk> but you have the slice limitation if you encapsulate
[03:54:44] <Stric> and when axisys says "veritas", at least I'm not sure if it's vxvm or vxfs he means ;)
[03:55:13] <Stric> yeap, and don't you dare try to resize any of that stuff..
[03:55:21] <jbk> yeah
[03:55:44] <jbk> the other thing is they've made vxvm + vxfs incredibly more complicated as time has gone by
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[03:55:51] <Stric> but for the non-rootfs part, vxvm works pretty well.. (compared to that sds/svm thing :)
[03:56:06] <jbk> usually
[03:56:15] <jbk> there's some memory leaks they still haven't fixed
[03:56:27] <jbk> and there were some rather nasty bugs
[03:56:34] <Stric> "oh, you have soft partitions? good luck trying to figure out how much's free in your 'source' ..."
[03:56:43] <jbk> i really liked the one where if you filled up a vxfs filesytem, it could trash the entire fs, requireing a full restore
[03:56:51] <Stric> neat
[03:57:44] <jbk> one of the reasons why the 'it hasn't been tested as much' excuse as to why you shouldn't use zfs doesn't really hold much water with me
[03:57:49] <coffman> since veritas is now symantec... even if the code is older, i would not touch it
[03:58:36] <Stric> I tried to order a new edu license for vxvm this spring.. sun had removed it from the edu discount list (prolly because of zfs coming), voila - 10x the price..
[03:59:30] <jbk> what better incentive to upgrade :)
[03:59:45] <jbk> (to zfs)
[04:00:22] <Stric> I did upgrade from sol8->9, because directories created in sol8 were "slow" .. fully reproducable.. if you create directories in 8, they are slower to look through with find etc than if you recreate the dirs in sol9..
[04:01:13] <Stric> so I had sol8/vxvm and went sol9/svm.. created a new svm set under sol8, copied stuff over.. then upgraded to 9 (which couldn't handle the vxvm) and made a hardlink tree copy of everything -> many times faster :P
[04:04:08] <coffman> spare us this pain please :)
[04:04:19] <coffman> why not gone strait to so10?
[04:04:32] <Stric> first of all, zfs wasn't released :)
[04:05:25] <Stric> and second, all other machines were sol9.. I just kept the fileserver on 8 because I was too lazy to upgrade, and "I wouldn't gain much by upgrading to 9.." except for a filesystem improvement of 2-3x :P
[04:06:08] <coffman> wOOt
[04:06:15] <coffman> i nailed the bug!
[04:06:21] <Stric> so the machine who had the most to gain by upgrading was the only one I left on 8 in the last upgrade race.. go me..
[04:06:26] <coffman> stupid stupid
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[04:07:48] <coffman> had a openoffice problem, it keep crashing if u opend anything. (windows)
[04:08:12] <coffman> it was a stupid ipp printer
[04:08:15] <coffman> wtf
[04:10:30] <Stric> found an old veritas screenshot.. http://www.cs.umu.se/~stric/tmp/veritas.png  :)
[04:11:14] <Stric> in other notes, I've found that zfs really wants you to have >1G ram in a fileserver..
[04:12:26] <Stric> when you have 1G or less and lots of requests (nfs backend for a debian/mozilla/gnome/foo mirror), it goes into a "reading too much from disk and then throwing most of it away because we're low on ram"
[04:12:55] <Stric> like now, it's reading 10-15MB/s from disk (with vdev prefetch off) and delivering 2-3MB/s over nfs
[04:13:44] <Stric> when I removed a 1GB "just eat ram" thingie, so it has 2GB to work with, it's fine and dandy.. the prefetch works, it reads the same amount as it sends out and everyone is happy
[04:14:42] <Stric> it's no fun when it's reading like 60MB/s off disk (2x raidz2) and sending out 4-5MB/s of that, throwing away the rest to make room for the next 60MB/s coming in..
[04:16:54] <coffman> aeh
[04:17:27] <coffman> wouldnt it be cheaper to put some ram in that box ?
[04:17:45] <coffman> instead of buying a veritas license?
[04:17:54] <Stric> separate places, separate machines..
[04:18:20] <Stric> veritas was for work (university), and this zfs fileserver is in a non-profit student organization
[04:19:12] <Stric> we've had performance issues for a while now, but unable to pinpoint the exact problem.. borrowed a machine with more ram from work today and came to this conclusion..
[04:19:40] <Stric> and 2G+ ram for a blade1000 isn't that cheap unfortunately
[04:19:53] <coffman> hm
[04:20:09] <coffman> the fileserver runs on blade1k?
[04:20:20] <Stric> yeah..
[04:20:37] <coffman> the ram should be normal ecc sdram
[04:20:38] <Stric> it's the same thing as a sun v280r, but different chassis..
[04:21:02] <coffman> they are not that expensiv
[04:21:12] <Stric> I've looked all over the internet for something saying it is "regular" memory, but haven't found anything..
[04:21:25] <Stric> it's all different kingston/foo part numbers etc..
[04:21:33] <coffman> sec
[04:21:50] <coffman> i think its the same like in ultra 10
[04:22:04] <Stric> err.. that doesn't sound right
[04:22:12] <Stric> u10 doesn't have ecc for starters :)
[04:22:54] <coffman> well
[04:23:02] <coffman> i put some of that in it :)
[04:23:19] <coffman> and it works
[04:23:27] <Stric> 50ns or 60ns 168-pin JEDEC DIMMs, ECC error-correction
[04:23:32] <Stric> Eight Sun 232-pin Sdram DIMM slots
[04:23:41] <Stric> (seems like u10 does have ecc afterall)
[04:23:47] <Stric> but 168 and 232 pin shouldn't fit :)
[04:24:00] <coffman> u
[04:24:01] <Stric> unless sunsolve is way off
[04:24:02] <coffman> sec
[04:25:49] <coffman> yeah
[04:25:52] <coffman> im wrong
[04:25:57] <Stric> too bad :P
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[04:31:09] <coffman> well, i would look at *bay for it
[04:31:14] <Stric> 4G kit for $1999 :P
[04:31:19] <coffman> lol
[04:31:25] <Stric> "not that likely"
[04:31:45] <coffman> in germany 1 gig goes max for 100 euros
[04:31:50] <Stric> seems like you can get 1G kits relatively cheap
[04:32:08] <Stric> 2 of those and it will be muuch better
[04:32:41] <coffman> what disk do you serv from?
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[04:34:06] <Stric> a bunch of donated 300G drives (canonical mostly, since it's cdimage.debian.org and a big european mirror too)
[04:34:39] <Stric> and we have some linux machines infront of that running apache with mod_disk_cache-dev (one of us poking most on it)
[04:36:09] <Stric> some early test numbers: http://stric.se/tmp/fs.html  which shows that UFS isn't that fun :)
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[04:38:06] <coffman> Stric: u might want to switch ur scsi card...
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[04:39:14] <Stric> you mean something faster than 80MB/s? it's the disk cabinet (compaq something) that limits..
[04:39:25] <coffman> urgs
[04:39:26] <Stric> the card is 2x320MB/s
[04:39:46] <Stric> (or just 2x160, don't remember.. but faster than the cabinet)
[04:39:57] <coffman> what are the drives?
[04:40:05] <coffman> 320 or 160?
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[04:40:10] <Stric> but anyhow, being limited to 2x80MB/s doesn't matter much if you get 5MB/s due to prefetch thrashing :)
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[04:40:27] <coffman> yeah
[04:41:18] <Stric> we seem to have some issues with the syskonnect gige cards too :/
[04:41:38] <Stric> unfortunately, that's the only solaris/sparc compatible gige cards we have
[04:42:24] <Stric> and link aggregation doesn't work on qfes :(
[04:42:37] <Stric> (GLMv2 vs v3)
[04:42:59] <jbk> i just wish the output to dladm actually worked on 90% of the sparc hardware sun ships
[04:43:09] <jbk> i.e. the ce driver
[04:43:22] <nbkk6fo__> Stric, eh?
[04:43:29] <nbkk6fo__> you can do trunking on qfe's
[04:43:35] <Stric> not with dladm
[04:44:20] <Stric> maybe with Sun Trunking or whatever it was called, but does that work on 10 and didn't that cost mucho dinero?
[04:44:51] <coffman> Stric: i heard the cheap realtek 1s work great
[04:44:58] <Stric> This DOES NOT "come with" the QFE card.  It is software that was purchased from Sun.
[04:46:28] <nbkk6fo__> who cares about dladm use sun trunking software
[04:47:57] <Stric> seems like it's free for 10.. $995 otherwise, which might be a bit much for a nonprofit student org :)
[04:48:42] <coffman> oo
[04:49:10] <Stric> almost 400k download :P
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[04:56:00] <Stric> will try that later.. I killed my qfe test machine earlier today..
[05:01:49] <nbkk6fo__> sun trunking software works flawlessly on qfe's
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[05:03:00] <Stric> good to know.. thanks.. then we just need more TP holes in the wall :P
[05:13:16] * Tpenta grins and wonders why anyoen would want a tpenta shaped hole in the wall ;)
[05:13:50] <g4lt-mordant> so you can come in and fix the networking
[05:13:59] <Tpenta> ROFL
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[05:23:39] <Error_404> this is really getting out of hand...
[05:23:53] <Error_404> rm: cannot determine if this is an ancestor of the current working directory foo
[05:25:56] <g4lt-mordant> okay, the PWD thing was funny, so was the /, but yeah, this is getting to be pathetic
[05:26:33] <Error_404> ?
[05:27:47] <g4lt-mordant> rm -rf /
[05:28:14] <Error_404> i wasn't trying to rm -r /
[05:28:53] <g4lt-mordant> right, but the reason you cannot is an extension of the same reason.  first they just emitted an error message for /, not it's for an ancestor of PWD
[05:29:00] <g4lt-mordant> s/not/now/
[05:29:26] <Error_404> i'ts not an ancestor of PWD is the thing
[05:29:37] <g4lt-mordant> it IS PWD in your example
[05:29:50] <g4lt-mordant> or CWD anyways
[05:31:15] <Error_404> sorry, what?
[05:31:38] <Error_404> okay, I create a directory... never set foot in it... try to rm -r, and it errors out
[05:34:28] <g4lt-mordant> did you try using force?
[05:34:42] <Error_404> yeah, with -f it just doesn't display the error
[05:34:47] <g4lt-mordant> grr follow
[05:34:50] <Error_404> directory isn't removed, but the error goes away
[05:35:09] <g4lt-mordant> tried rmdir?
[05:35:12] <Error_404> that particular one was apparantly a "bug fix" from solaris 6
[05:35:23] <Error_404> it stopped displaying the error, so it must work....
[05:35:32] <Error_404> rmdir works
[05:36:01] <Tpenta> Just to set the record straight. There was never any such thing as Solaris 6. Soalris 2.6 was the last of that sequence of naming. It was followed by Solaris 7
[05:37:02] <lloy0076> The next Solaris release should be called Solaris Atsiv
[05:37:17] <Tpenta> yuck
[05:37:18] <Error_404> well i meant ${ancient solaris release}
[05:37:32] <Error_404> point is that it's an unfixed bug from over a decade ago
[05:38:03] <Error_404> oh, i was wrong... solaris 8 was when it was filed
[05:38:28] <Tpenta> :-)
[05:38:35] <Error_404> bug id 4677347
[05:39:29] <Tpenta> 4677347 was fixed pre-fcs in 10
[05:39:31] <g4lt-mordant> lloy0076, no soaris XI ;P
[05:39:53] <g4lt-mordant> Tpenta, by the / hack?
[05:40:00] <Tpenta> it has not (tha I can see) been backported to earlier releases
[05:40:34] <Error_404> 4677347 was not fixed, 4677347 was masked so that it looked fixed
[05:41:00] <Error_404> rm -rf with the f flag no longer reports an error
[05:41:04] <Stric> in some versions of linux (can't reproduce now), you could remove CWD.. "whops, where am I now?"
[05:41:05] <Error_404> it still doesn't work
[05:41:12] <Error_404> but now it doesn't tell you it didn't work
[05:42:59] <Tpenta> the actual bug was against a standards conformance issue.
[05:43:31] <Tpenta> ho, hang on, two evaluation entries
[05:43:58] <Tpenta> The 'ancester' error message is from mypath() which returns 1 to undir(). But switch() in undir() deos not increment errcode when mypath() returns 1.
[05:43:59] <Tpenta> Fix needs to handle proper error return and suppress error messages with '-f' option for /usr/bin/rm.
[05:46:32] <Error_404> it seems i can remove directories outside of /export/home/me
[05:47:22] <Tpenta> assuming you have the correct permissions, what is the problem in that?
[05:48:01] <Error_404> the problem is that i can't recursively remove subdirectories of my own home directory
[05:48:10] <Error_404> making ~ quite a pain to use
[05:48:26] <Error_404> since everything i put there is immutible to anyone other than root
[05:48:33] <nbkk6fo__> http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/fastinvsqrt/
[05:48:36] <nbkk6fo__> awesome article
[05:49:08] <Tpenta> if you have directories owned by other than you without the appropriate permissions, I would argue that you should not be able to remove them
[05:49:22] <Error_404> they're not owned by anyone other than me
[05:49:31] <Error_404> all the permissions are fine
[05:50:01] <Error_404> as my user, i create a directory inside my home directory, then i cannot remove it
[05:50:30] <Tpenta> so do we know why they are not being removed ? I must admit that I haev never tripped over this issue and I remove stuff in hierarchies from my homedir quite a bit
[05:51:00] <Error_404> because for one, it gives me an error, and for two, ' ls ' says it's still there
[05:51:06] <Tpenta> is your homedir a mount on /export/home?
[05:51:42] <Error_404> /export/home is a zfs filesystem
[05:51:49] <Tpenta> ok
[05:52:03] <Error_404> i don't use auto_home at all
[05:52:04] <Tpenta> just like mine
[05:54:27] <Tpenta> $ mkdir fred
[05:54:27] <Tpenta> $ rm -r fred
[05:54:27] <Tpenta> $ ls -las fred
[05:54:27] <Tpenta> fred: No such file or directory
[05:54:38] <Error_404> it's quite the bizzare issue... i don't understand why it's not working
[05:54:59] <Tpenta> ok, if you export the zfs pool, are you left with directories?
[05:55:07] <Tpenta> if so, removed them, then re-import the pool
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[05:55:25] <Tpenta> I have noticed that live upgrade recreates mountpoints when we don't need them
[05:55:30] <Tpenta> even better
[05:55:45] <Tpenta> if you zfs umount the directory, are you left with a mount point?
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[05:58:44] <Lappy404> well, /export/home exists
[05:58:47] <Lappy404> nothing in it though
[06:00:20] <Lappy404> ahh... bingo
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[06:01:42] <Error_404> so that was it the whole time
[06:02:43] <Error_404> thanks Tpenta
[06:02:54] <Tpenta> :)
[06:02:59] <Tpenta> glad I could help
[06:03:04] <Tpenta> it was bad permissions on the mount point?
[06:04:34] <Error_404> /export/home existed, and was rwxr-x--x root root
[06:04:44] <Error_404> and i was mounting overtop it
[06:05:34] <Error_404> so it looked like permissions were fine, but hidden beneath the zfs mount was a directory with bad permissions
[06:05:39] <Tpenta> :)
[06:06:07] <Tpenta> one of the things I do during a live upgrade is to mount the alternate and rm -rf /.alt.snv_xx/export
[06:07:33] <lloy0076> I managed to startup a zone however I've probably chosen the wrong terminal type and F2 won't work...
[06:07:42] <jbk> try esc-2
[06:07:56] <lloy0076> Ah, thanks.
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[06:22:09] <lloy0076> My zone seems to think its terminal type is "sun-color" (at least that's what TERM is set to) - any idea where it's managed to pick that up?
[06:22:35] <jbk> probably something in /etc/default
[06:23:18] <lloy0076> I'm grepping default for TERM or sun-color and finding nothing
[06:23:38] <jbk> oh duh
[06:23:45] <jbk> nevada?
[06:23:48] <jbk> or s10?
[06:23:59] <lloy0076> *hmmmm*
[06:24:02] <jbk> well you mentioned zones, so yes
[06:24:03] <jbk> umm
[06:24:13] <jbk> you need to run svccfg
[06:24:14] <lloy0076> It's a zone I built from OpenSolaris ON.
[06:24:27] <jbk> and look at the properties for the console-login service
[06:24:39] <jbk> one of them is like ttymon/term_type or such
[06:24:46] <jbk> change that to vt100, xterms, etc.
[06:25:01] <jbk> if i was in front of a box, i could be more specific
[06:27:12] <lloy0076> I think I might have found it.
[06:29:29] * lloy0076 sigh
[06:29:50] <lloy0076> svccfg :: select console-login :: listprop shows ttymon/terminal_type      astring  ansi
[06:29:59] <jbk> yeah
[06:30:02] <jbk> that's it
[06:30:30] <lloy0076> One glitch.
[06:30:38] <jbk> change that, logout and login to the console
[06:30:41] <lloy0076> I've rebooted the zone and done echo $TERM
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[06:30:49] <lloy0076> And it's still a sun-color
[06:31:17] <jbk> are you doing a zlogin -C ?
[06:31:25] <lloy0076> Hang on.
[06:31:31] <lloy0076> I'm an IDIOT.
[06:31:38] * lloy0076 remembers to look at /etc/profile
[06:31:45] <Tpenta> you changed it in the global zone?
[06:31:48] <lloy0076> "If TERM isn't set, set it to sun-color".
[06:31:48] <Tpenta> ahh
[06:32:21] <Tpenta> always look for the simplest answer;)
[06:33:26] <lloy0076> I'm famous for looking for the most difficult answers first.
[06:33:43] <lloy0076> I checked a huge amount of web-site code to work out why the headers moved to the right and left once..
[06:33:54] <lloy0076> ...only to notice that on the front page ONLY there was NO scroll bar shown.
[06:33:58] * lloy0076 laughs at self
[06:34:04] <Tpenta> :)
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[06:34:36] <lloy0076> Anyway, I now have my first Solaris zone running reasonably sanely.
[06:34:41] <Tpenta> cooleis
[06:34:47] <Tpenta> dont you love how quickly they boot?
[06:35:08] <lloy0076> Indeed they do.
[06:35:28] <lloy0076> It would be nice if zlogin -C would notice ~. on the "login:" part of the console login.
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[06:41:36] <lloy0076> Anyway, I'm off and about for a while!
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[07:06:44] <Error_404> hmm... anyone know anything about aiglx?
[07:06:47] <Error_404> is it linux only
[07:06:47] <Error_404> ?
[07:07:35] <mlh> Error_404:  no reason why it should be
[07:08:03] <Error_404> that's what I thought
[07:08:19] <Error_404> in theory then, beryl should work
[07:09:47] <mlh> yeah.  "in theory"
[07:12:19] <Error_404> nobody's tried it?
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[07:34:01] <newpers> what do you all use to get your packages?  pkgsrc?
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[07:56:27] <dclarke> lo
[08:02:32] * dclarke watches a tumbleweed roll by
[08:02:39] <newpers> this is stupid that opensolaris makes you register to download solaris express
[08:02:57] <dclarke> well .. SXCR is built by Sun
[08:03:00] <LeftWing> It's not that stupid.
[08:03:03] <dclarke> so ... they control that
[08:03:08] <dclarke> and .. its not stupid
[08:03:17] <LeftWing> What's stupid is the whining.  =P
[08:03:19] <dclarke> also .. I think you can use bit torrent
[08:03:21] <Error_404> if you don't like it there are other distros
[08:03:26] <Error_404> nexenta, for one
[08:03:37] <newpers> yeah, i don't know if i trust that
[08:04:56] <dclarke> hello Error_404 : Merry Christmas
[08:05:11] <Error_404> hey dclarke, merry christmas to you too
[08:05:18] <dclarke> that ODW .. believe it or not is actually wrapped up with that T-shirt to go to UPS on Monday morn
[08:05:32] <Error_404> oh, cool
[08:05:35] <dclarke> I have to ship it rush to get it to you before Christmas
[08:05:48] <newpers> Error_404, would you suggest nexenta?
[08:06:19] * dclarke listens to Ricky Lee Jones : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/images/Ricky_Lee_Jones.jpg
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[08:10:24] <Error_404> newpers, you seem to not want to register
[08:10:39] <Tpenta> newpers, for what it is worth, even as a sun employee, I get zero mail as a result of registering for the download centre. A company the size of Sun *has* to honour the privace agreemants of such resgitration. The results of not doing so would be particularly damaging
[08:10:52] <Error_404> dclarke, rush?
[08:11:11] <newpers> Tpenta: ok, thanks
[08:11:19] <dclarke> Error_404 : yeah
[08:11:33] <dclarke> Error_404 : I'm way late with this and been yakking for .. ever about it
[08:11:45] <dclarke> Error_404 : I want it .. out of my basement and in your hands
[08:11:46] <Tpenta> just ensure that when asked if you want to receive mail on stuff you answer the questions to your satisfaction
[08:11:54] <jmcp> newpers: and since Sun operates as legal entities in dozens of countries, each with their own privacy laws... what Sun can do is actually quite limited
[08:11:57] <Error_404> well thanks :)
[08:12:14] <Tpenta> good afternoon Mr M, back in Oz?
[08:12:21] <jmcp> newpers: Then of course there's the corporate culture of Sun
[08:12:22] <jmcp> Tpenta: yeah
[08:12:43] <jmcp> it might only be 17C in Sydney, but that's 17C above Beijing :)
[08:12:57] <LeftWing> Hah.
[08:13:00] <dclarke> Tpenta:  thanks for the non-debug bits in http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061127/
[08:13:04] <jmcp> still really tired though
[08:14:02] <Tpenta> you are welcome dennis
[08:14:26] <dclarke> I can get a build going .. eventually
[08:14:39] <dclarke> at the moment I have a new MySQL release here
[08:14:41] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/packages_test.php/mysql4
[08:14:58] <dclarke> and I have to clean up that php script to get that page W3C clean
[08:15:03] <dclarke> among other things to do ...
[08:19:06] <Tpenta> dclarke: at least you dont have to fiddle with the closed dirs anymore :)
[08:19:16] <Tpenta> I was very pleased to get that into build54
[08:19:36] <dclarke> it looks like your work will bear great returns for everyone
[08:19:45] <dclarke> thats just .. really great work on your part
[08:19:50] <dclarke> and I'll blog it that way too
[08:19:53] <dclarke> :-)
[08:19:57] <Tpenta> I'm hanging on the crypto stuff getting done so I can progress the rest of it
[08:20:17] <dclarke> I doubt that will get through Sun legal anytime soon
[08:20:38] <Tpenta> it's been thru legal i believe
[08:20:46] * dclarke falls out of chair
[08:20:51] <dclarke> really ?
[08:21:02] <Tpenta> i'd have to go back and check, but I think so
[08:21:08] <dclarke> so we will see full blown Sun SSH and aes256-cbc ciphers etc ?
[08:21:24] <Tpenta> i dont think that was the case I was talking about
[08:21:30] <Tpenta> let me go back thru mail
[08:21:43] <dclarke> nono ..
[08:21:51] <dclarke> don't get distracted and pulled into that
[08:22:04] <dclarke> I am up to my ear at the moment with Blastwave stuff
[08:22:15] <dclarke> but if you blog it .. then I'll read it
[08:22:19] <dclarke> when you have time
[08:22:34] <dclarke> but please .. if you can .. drop me an email when you feel that all sources are ready to roll
[08:22:47] <dclarke> I'll do the external non-debug build and then document ti
[08:22:52] <dclarke> post an article etc etc
[08:23:35] <Tpenta> of course i cannot find the case now
[08:23:48] <dclarke> yep .. thats always the way things go
[08:23:55] <dclarke> I can relate .. I really can
[08:24:02] <Tpenta> ahh there it is
[08:24:09] <Tpenta> PSARC/2006/610
[08:24:19] <dclarke> I need to go look at that .. if I can
[08:26:10] <dclarke> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/changelogs-nv_54/
[08:26:21] <dclarke> no such link there ..
[08:26:32] <Tpenta> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/610/
[08:27:34] <dclarke> wow
[08:27:39] <dclarke> I have been waiting for that
[08:27:48] <dclarke> it is a thing that comes up from time to time
[08:27:50] <dclarke> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/610/onepager/
[08:27:54] <Tpenta> can you see why I am waiting on it? It means a change to bindrop
[08:28:04] <dclarke> I certainly do
[08:28:17] <dclarke> there are many that would shrug .. but I *get it*
[08:28:37] <dclarke> I think I was exchanging email with Darren Moffat about this only last week
[08:28:42] <dclarke> maybe the week before
[08:29:35] <dclarke> will this result in a patch to Solaris 10 update 3 ?
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[08:29:47] <dclarke> speaking of update 3 .. has anyone seen it yet ?
[08:30:32] <Burana> Waiting for it too....
[08:31:21] <Burana> I there a comparison somewhere between SunSSH ans SSH.com's Tectia?
[08:32:02] <dclarke> I think that the integration with various authentication mechanisms makes it a moot topic
[08:32:26] <dclarke> but .. I'm totally maxxed out here on other things
[08:33:56] <Burana> Is it only BSM integration, Kerberos support and better pam integration that makes a difference between openssh and sunssh?
[08:34:24] <dclarke> only ?
[08:35:10] <dclarke> hmmm .. this is why I was talking with Mr. Moffat .. about writing a nice long verbose article on the topic
[08:35:25] <Burana> I know the differences between openssh and tectia. But I need to know what sunssh does "better"
[08:36:01] <Burana> for some systems we will install tectia. The question is, should we run it in parallel with sunssh, or not.
[08:36:55] <Burana> tectia has some really nice features, when using in combination with a policy server. Those features are missing in sunssh (and openssh)
[08:37:06] <dlg> Burana: sunssh is a fork of openssh from a while ago
[08:37:22] <dlg> and they broke it to make pam happy
[08:37:40] <Tpenta> please elaborate on "broke it"
[08:38:50] <dlg> openssh does a lot of work to make sure that the auth phase is constrained in a separate process with lowered privs
[08:40:19] <Tpenta> whilst not having looked at it recently I would hope we are doing similar with least priv
[08:40:31] <Tpenta> dennis, can you speak to ssh?
[08:40:54] <dclarke> sorry .. what ?
[08:40:56] <dclarke> busy here
[08:41:02] <dclarke> what's up ..
[08:41:05] <dclarke> let me read
[08:41:20] <dclarke> no .. not broke it
[08:41:29] <dclarke> damn .. this would take an hour to address correctly
[08:41:37] <Tpenta> go back a couple of lines. dig is claiming that sun fixed pam by breaking ssh. the example he gives is the lowered privs/seperate process that openssh uses
[08:41:41] <Tpenta> ok
[08:41:42] <dclarke> we have a build of OpenSSH at Blastwave that is built for Solaris 8
[08:41:49] <Tpenta> it's something that should probably be written up
[08:41:54] <dclarke> but the version that ships in Solaris 9 and 10 is superior for a lot of reasosn
[08:42:13] <dclarke> Tpenta : exatly my reason for talking with Darren Moffat over the past few weeks
[08:42:18] <Tpenta> :)
[08:42:23] <dclarke> Tpenta:  I saw this coming and people will wnat to  know
[08:42:30] <Tpenta> fair enuff
[08:42:34] <dclarke> Tpenta:  he was concerned about copyright issues
[08:43:01] <dclarke> Tpenta:  I think that he is going to write up something for BigAdmin/Sunsolve but we also want a community based resource
[08:43:09] <Tpenta> good
[08:43:30] <dclarke> so .. three guesses who the community dude is ?
[08:43:42] <Tpenta> would his initials be dc?
[08:43:51] <dclarke> anyways .. as soon as I get a spare CPU slice and better than priority zero I'll jump on it
[08:44:19] <dclarke> geez .. I talk scheduler these days
[08:44:27] <Tpenta> dont we all?
[08:44:54] <dclarke> ha ha .. I keep getting interrupted and puleld in this that and the other thing and they all need a slice too
[08:45:01] <dclarke> so .. yeah .. I guess we all do
[08:53:44] <dclarke> I think that I am about to discover just how Solaris 10 ( update 2 ) responds when subjected to obscene memory pressure
[08:53:56] <dclarke> my system with 64MB of RAM is being patched
[08:54:05] <dclarke> that will force some swapping .. perhaps
[09:00:04] <Error_404> 64mb?
[09:00:52] <dclarke> yep
[09:01:05] <Error_404> that's....
[09:01:13] <Error_404> how did you even manage to install it, let alone run it
[09:01:18] <dclarke> impossible ?
[09:01:32] <dclarke> it was tricky .. first I had to get it real drunk
[09:01:54] <Error_404> heh
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[09:02:23] <jteo_> ...
[09:02:34] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7IgtU267.html
[09:02:44] <dclarke> jteo : long time no see
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[09:07:03] <dclarke> should  this  /bin/echo "::memstat" | mdb -k  take a loong time to complete ?
[09:07:20] <Tpenta> if you have a lot of memory it will
[09:07:32] <dclarke> okay .. good
[09:07:38] <dclarke> this other machine has tons
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[09:09:22] <Doc> blah
[09:09:23] <dclarke> wow .. this is still running
[09:09:46] <Tpenta> it has to work through every allocated page in the system
[09:10:13] <dclarke> oops
[09:10:30] <dclarke> I think I should have asked that to happen at a low priority .. if that is possible
[09:10:38] <Tpenta> renice is your friend
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[09:10:48] <dclarke> I live with priocntl a lot
[09:11:18] <dclarke> and .. I'm on the console here
[09:11:23] <Tpenta> :-D
[09:11:33] <jteo_> dclarke, i've always known you as a patient person. ;)
[09:12:02] <dclarke> patient yes .. but I may be swamping this machine
[09:12:13] <dclarke> and thats a bad thing to do just to get a dumb report
[09:12:22] <dclarke> oh .. it finished
[09:12:39] <Error_404> heh
[09:13:10] * steleman grumbles
[09:13:23] <Tpenta> 'ello stefan
[09:13:32] <steleman> hiya Tpenta
[09:13:45] <Tpenta> grumbling?
[09:13:48] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Qegnfh53.nln.html  <-- two wildly different levels of RAM
[09:13:56] <steleman> yes. 64-bit apache on sparc is very broken.
[09:14:04] <steleman> 2.2.3
[09:14:07] <dclarke> steleman:  hold on there
[09:14:14] <dclarke> steleman:  we are working on that
[09:14:19] <dclarke> steleman:  this weekend
[09:14:20] <twincest> 64-bit apache?
[09:14:23] <steleman> yeah
[09:14:37] <dclarke> yes .. I am coordinating with the Cool threads team to get new builds out
[09:15:02] <dclarke> optimized for the UltraSparc T1 and also isaexec based builds for other sun4u procs
[09:15:09] <Doc> hmm.. anyone got a spare big black dog?
[09:15:18] <dclarke> big black dog ?
[09:15:24] * Tpenta wonders if dennis is using imaginary numbers to generate all those cycles that he seems to have
[09:15:41] <dclarke> Tpenta:  actually I use a few different number sets
[09:15:55] <Error_404> heh
[09:15:58] <Doc> yes. a big black dog
[09:16:05] <dclarke> Tpenta:  but I have been working with Shanti over at the cool threads team to get this done
[09:16:06] <steleman> it works fine on amd64
[09:16:10] <Error_404> 1200 + 1400i Mhz
[09:16:11] <Tpenta> :-D
[09:16:11] <Tpenta> :)
[09:16:19] <Doc> because jetstar can get a big black dog up them...
[09:16:28] <dclarke> Tpenta:  Sun has shipped a loaded T2000 for the job too
[09:16:37] <Tpenta> i thought it would be something like that doc; what happened (dare I ask)?
[09:16:53] <dclarke> Tpenta:  the idea being that we can get the whole SAMP stack rebuilt and out to the world faste this way if we coordinate
[09:17:00] <steleman> as you can see here http://68.173.45.234/phpinfo.php
[09:17:03] <Tpenta> cool
[09:17:10] <Tpenta> (threads), ... sorry I couldnt resist
[09:17:25] <hell`> dclarke, there is the CoolStack which is SAMP already optimized for T2000's
[09:17:32] <dclarke> redneck !  ha ha
[09:17:45] <steleman> yup that's my opteron box at home
[09:17:48] <dclarke> hell`:  not so fast there
[09:18:02] <hell`> eh?
[09:18:12] <dclarke> hell`:  have a close look at the download site and you will see something .. if you look closely
[09:18:27] <hell`> what is that?
[09:18:28] <steleman> o well. when all else fails i guess one has to compile with -g and step in dbx
[09:18:41] <Doc> cancelled  flight, put me on one 4 hours (and 3 flights) later, and now it looks like that one is going to be late too
[09:18:46] <dclarke> hell`:  look at http://cooltools.sunsource.net/coolstack/
[09:19:01] <Tpenta> I hope you didnt need to be anywhere by now
[09:19:02] <dclarke> hell`:  that is Apache HTTP Server 2.0.58
[09:19:08] <Tpenta> coming home or goin gout?
[09:19:23] <Doc> plus their website is so borked that if you lookup the cancelled flight it give an error
[09:19:30] <dclarke> hell`:  we ( Sun and some other people ) are working on the latest and greatest and we are going to push it out .. soon
[09:19:41] <hell`> ah..
[09:19:43] <Doc> so anyone trying to meet it wont know its been canned
[09:19:56] <Tpenta> you're on the airport wireless?
[09:20:06] <Doc> tpenta: coming back.. gold coast to syd
[09:20:06] <hell`> well yeah if you want apache 2.2 then i guess you are out of luck with coolstack
[09:20:08] <Doc> GPRS
[09:20:14] <hell`> or build it yourself
[09:20:28] <dclarke> hell`:  no .. we are working on it ..
[09:20:31] <steleman> hell`: that's what im working on: 2.2.3 64-bit
[09:20:34] <dclarke> hell`:  see http://www.blastwave.org/packages_test.php/mysql5
[09:20:35] <Doc> 56k GPRS blows, but at least it works
[09:20:56] <dclarke> hell`:  see http://www.blastwave.org/packages_test.php/apache2
[09:21:04] <Tpenta> if i recall correctly, GC is a teeny tiny airport with no nice lounges etc
[09:21:13] <dclarke> hell`:  these are being built by the Cool Stack team this week ..
[09:21:24] <Doc> nah.. its ok
[09:21:35] <hell`> ah cool
[09:21:36] <Tpenta> then again, i was lat there about 8 years ago
[09:21:49] <ShadowHntr> Tpenta: what airport is this
[09:21:54] <ShadowHntr> oh
[09:21:54] <Tpenta> gold coast
[09:21:56] <ShadowHntr> gold coast
[09:21:59] <ShadowHntr> WA?
[09:22:06] <Doc> probably only the 3rd worst airport ie been in in the past month
[09:22:19] <Tpenta> just over the queensland border
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[09:22:47] <Doc> well, half of it is
[09:22:52] <Doc> the other half is in nsw
[09:23:02] <hell`> dclarke, how long until its done?
[09:23:06] <Tpenta> i was certain it was completely north of the border (it was when i drove past it in feb)
[09:23:11] <dclarke> hell`:  2 weeks
[09:23:14] <Tpenta> i mean the airport
[09:23:16] <dclarke> hell`:  2 weeks max
[09:23:21] <ShadowHntr> Tpenta: never been to AU, but i'd love to. :)
[09:23:24] <Doc> the terminal is, the runway isnt
[09:23:31] <ShadowHntr> i wanna check out Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra and Perth.
[09:23:37] <hell`> dclarke, if you are using mysql5 you should make sure it has mysql cluster support with it
[09:23:48] <dclarke> hell`:  no problem
[09:24:14] <hell`> postgres would be cool too
[09:24:35] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/packages_test.php/postgresql
[09:24:42] <Tpenta> doc: are they compensating you anything? I would hope so
[09:24:43] <dclarke> done in 64-bit and 32-bit
[09:24:51] <hell`> optimized for T2's ?
[09:25:06] <dclarke> it will all be built on a T2000
[09:25:12] <hell`> ah
[09:25:13] <ShadowHntr> well
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[09:25:17] <Error_404> sun sent you a t2000?
[09:25:18] <ShadowHntr> i'm gonna call it a night.
[09:25:18] <dclarke> the UltraSparc T1 based binaries that is
[09:25:19] <ShadowHntr> cheers.
[09:25:25] <dclarke> Error_404:  yes
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[09:25:48] <dclarke> Error_404:  well .. its shipped .. so I guess it will arrive Tuesday or Wednesday
[09:26:00] <dclarke> Error_404:  we need first builds on it by end of next weekend
[09:26:27] <dclarke> Error_404:  then we do QA testing etc etc and get it into the catalog by Thursday following
[09:26:38] <dclarke> Error_404:  thats the plan
[09:26:52] <dclarke> so like I was saying .. a coordinated plan
[09:27:19] <Error_404> neat
[09:28:05] <dclarke> yeah ..  neato
[09:28:08] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/go5DvJ35.nln.html
[09:28:15] <dclarke> thats not neato .. looks like swapping
[09:29:12] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZcbkTC66.nln.html  <<-- 23 processes swapped out
[09:30:16] <Error_404> this is that 64mb machine?
[09:30:32] <dclarke> steleman:  http://68.173.45.234/manual/  <<-- your build ?
[09:30:43] <steleman> dclarke: yup
[09:30:50] <dclarke> nice one !
[09:30:53] <steleman> that's the 64bit one
[09:31:09] <dclarke> steleman:  I do believe that there are tweaks to get a decent build however
[09:31:26] <steleman> tweaks would be an understatement
[09:31:29] <steleman> ;-)
[09:31:30] <dclarke> I'd have to dig up my emails to get all th details
[09:31:43] <dclarke> yes .. I guess you already hit all that :-\
[09:31:55] <steleman> what's going on right now on SPARC can only be described as *fuckage*'
[09:32:05] <dclarke> er .. well ..
[09:32:09] <dclarke> okay
[09:32:14] <dclarke> its all fixable
[09:32:43] <dclarke> actually .. I am supposed to be doing other things here
[09:32:47] <dclarke> gotta get back to that
[09:32:53] <steleman> yeah i know its fixable but i was hoping i could get away with the fixes i had to do on amd64 only
[09:32:55] <dclarke> busy buy here !
[09:33:56] <steleman> 'nuff complaining
[09:34:06] <dclarke> sorry ..
[09:34:17] <dclarke> and .. its 03:34 AM for me
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[10:00:42] <kiivi> How would one only allow NFS mounts to be used over IPsec on a Solaris server machine?
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[10:21:37] <dwc-> ipsec rules to require ipsec'd traffic on the nfsd port
[10:22:03] <dwc-> or ipsec with a different netblock, and only listen to nfs traffic/only export to ipsec'd ips
[10:27:45] <kiivi> point. the different network would probably be the cleanest alternative. can it be done with zfs attributes or is dfstab the way to go?
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[10:37:52] <axxl> hiho, good morning, Guten Tag, moin moin - hello world ;-)
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[10:45:44] <Fish> hello
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[10:54:18] <dwc-> dfstab
[10:54:26] <dwc-> or ipfilter
[10:54:45] <dwc-> (or botH)
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[11:22:45] <Error_404> umm... hmm...
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[11:24:33] <Error_404> i have no idea how to install the sfw consolidation i just built
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[13:06:28] <_william_> hi all
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[13:49:07] <kiivi> How does one restart all networking services with svcadm?
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[14:30:10] <loke> kiivi: _all_?
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[14:55:28] <PerterB> init 6 ;)
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[15:05:11] <lloy0076> GLEE
[15:05:24] <_william_> hi lloy0076
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[15:05:30] <lloy0076> It just dawned on me that one should be able to run xterms from a Zone on another X Server.
[15:06:27] <trygvis> that should be easy with ssh forwarding
[15:06:40] <trygvis> or the normal ways of remote displays
[15:06:45] <lloy0076> Yes, indeed.
[15:06:55] <lloy0076> I've just kind of woken up to how easy zones are to use.
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[15:07:08] * lloy0076 now wishes he had at least a dual core CPU
[15:07:25] <kiivi> loke: added an interface and wanted all services to listen on the new interface too. (in the end just rebooted the machine)
[15:09:35] <lloy0076> I wish vi would work PROPERLY in my zone when I'm logged in with zlogin
[15:10:02] <lloy0076> It's fine until you have to scroll past the bottom of the terminal.
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[15:10:19] <lloy0076> Then I get a heap of blank space that ctrl^L or anything doesn't make vi go sensible.
[15:10:26] <lloy0076> I can see stuff but I can't edit it sensibly.
[15:10:30] <jteo> then just login via ssh
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[15:10:41] * lloy0076 ponders
[15:10:49] <lloy0076> I wish people would stop making sense :P
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[15:11:56] <trygvis> aha
[15:12:37] <trygvis> vi works fine for me as long as I set TERM=vt100
[15:12:44] <trygvis> and make sure I don't resize the termnial
[15:14:23] <lloy0076> That seems to be the trick.
[15:16:16] <PerterB> sounds like maybe the 'rows' terminal setting isn't being propogated... you can always set it by hand with 'stty rows <nn>'
[15:16:57] <trygvis> I doubt it can be sent to the termninal if you use zlogin
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[15:26:35] <cla> re
[15:27:07] <cla> is it true, Sun wants to release OpenSolaris on GPL?
[15:33:50] <spity> possibly
[15:35:41] <quasi> unlikely
[15:36:40] <cla> ok, thanks :)
[15:36:44] <lloy0076> There's too much non-GPL compatible stuff that Sun distributes as a core part of Sun Solaris to make it possible.
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[15:37:42] <quasi> lloy0076: yeah, that would be my thinking as well
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[15:37:59] <spity> too much?
[15:38:02] <spity> i don't think so
[15:38:24] <spity> if we're talking about kernel
[15:38:27] <lloy0076> In my opinion, the GPL camp are the free as in beer camp.
[15:38:36] <lloy0076> Despite what they claim they are.
[15:39:48] <lloy0076> I don't consider the GPL as "bad" as a Microsoft EULA but just like a Microsoft EULA, I'll use a means to avoid it if those means are legal.
[15:40:39] <lloy0076> I understand what the GPL/FSF want to achieve, I have a glitch with their license.
[15:40:45] <spity> http://open.itworld.com/4914/061113opensolarisgpl/page_1.html
[15:41:04] <lloy0076> When I write code, I do care that you give me improvements to it back.
[15:41:30] <lloy0076> However I don't give a flying fsck if it forms an integral part of your multi-million dollar project.
[15:41:39] <lloy0076> I don't want your project; just the changes to my code.
[15:42:23] <lloy0076> Hell, I don't care if you use my LLOY0076FLAMEMAKER as part of the next Outlook...
[15:42:39] <lloy0076> ...so long as I get to receive the improvements to it :)
[15:43:11] * lloy0076 gets off the soap box
[15:47:45] <lloy0076> ...
[15:49:55] <twincest> spity: opensolaris is more than a kernel
[15:51:30] <spity> i'm fully aware of that
[15:52:00] <spity> what i was trying to say was that GPL is not unrealistical
[15:52:01] <loke> lloy0076: isn't that what LGPL is about?
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[15:52:22] <loke> for the record: I don't like the GPL much, I do find LGPL to be much more reasonable
[15:52:46] <spity> if GPL is selected, it's gonna be only bussiness decision, the same as with Java
[15:53:04] <loke> it'll be double-licenseed right?
[15:53:51] <spity> propapbly, beacause sun will need to keep some way of having closed products in solaris
[15:53:52] <lasseoe> looks like sunsolve might be buggered again :-/
[15:54:18] <spity> i mean closed 3rd party products
[15:54:23] <trygvis> the GPL can't be used (even in a dual-license scenario) of sun want to keep stuff closed
[15:54:24] <lloy0076> lHang on.
[15:54:27] <lloy0076> 3. You may opt to apply the terms of the ordinary GNU General Public License instead of this License to a given copy of the Library. To do this, you must alter all the notices that refer to this License, so that they refer to the ordinary GNU General Public License, version 2, instead of to this License. (If a newer version than version 2 of the ordinary GNU General Public License has appeared, then you can specify that version inste
[15:54:41] <lloy0076> LGPL is GPL in Sheep's Clothing
[15:55:00] <spity> sortof
[15:55:05] <spity> you can "upgrade"
[15:55:12] <lloy0076> Yeah.
[15:55:38] <lloy0076> IBM adds "NIFTY NEW TAKE OVER WORLD" service to Java which got LGPL'ed.
[15:55:51] <lloy0076> Then claim that they only added it under the GPL.
[15:56:00] <lloy0076> Actually, they can't.
[15:56:03] * lloy0076 flop
[15:56:12] <lloy0076> Actually they can.
[15:56:23] <lloy0076> The Original License SAYS you can.
[15:56:31] <spity>  lgpl is out of the game in java, because it's gpl already :)
[15:56:34] <lloy0076> IBM would just have to go altering a heap of boiler plates.
[15:56:49] <lloy0076> spity: My point is that LGPL is a pile of crock. It may as well be GPL.
[15:57:21] <lloy0076> spity: Someone with enough patents, money and lawyers could probably force an LGPL licensed work to GPL or at least make its defenders bankrupt.
[15:57:23] <spity> it has its uses
[15:57:51] <spity> you can take lgpl code
[15:57:56] <spity> gpl it
[15:58:03] <spity> but in your own version
[15:58:13] <spity> you can still keep your own lgpl'ed copy
[15:58:46] <lloy0076> The glitch is that if you have: a)the luck b)the nouse c)the ability to come up with something that's really needed or wanted...
[15:58:57] <lloy0076> ...you can probably make the GPL stick. Despite the LGPL.
[15:59:18] <lloy0076> "My changes, pursuant to clause 3, are GPL. ONLY.".
[16:00:15] <lloy0076> I so wish I could patent "int main(int argc, char *argv[])" and all its variants.
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[16:04:12] <m3thos>  hi, do you ppl know how to make a salted password? basically, I need to make a authentication system, similar to unix passwords, with salt, and I'm thinking about using the blowfish cipher. I just need to get a grip on which IVs to use, how to "salt" the passwords, if I should use EBC or CBC.. basically.. I need a good documentation about how the unix passwords are generated and compared
[16:04:57] <loke> m3thos: use a cryptographic hash
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[16:07:06] <m3thos> loke: what about diferent users, same password, same hash result problem ?
[16:11:18] <loke> m3thos: no. you hash the username and password together
[16:13:53] <m3thos> loke: good idea, thankyou
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[19:36:14] <Error_404> I hate it when i break things...
[19:37:07] <jamesd> Error_404, then stop throwing the glasses.
[19:37:15] <g4lt-mordant> but field circus likes it ;P
[19:38:24] <Error_404> i knew piping /bin/yes through pkgadd was a bad idea, yet i still did it
[19:40:36] <Error_404> is there a proper way of upgrading sfw that doesn't involve breaking your machine?
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[19:46:10] <hell`> I'm getting a error (pid 621): Hung in XOpenDisplay(:0) attempt #1, aborting. when Xsun is trying to start and my display doesn't work anymore
[19:46:13] <hell`> anyone seen this?
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[20:05:46] <richlowe> mornin' jmcp.
[20:05:52] <jmcp> hi rch
[20:05:59] <jmcp> hi richlowe
[20:06:05] <jmcp> heck ... can't sleep, can't type ....
[20:06:06] <jmcp> :)
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[20:09:10] <jamesd> hi dennis
[20:11:21] <_william_> hi dennis, hi jamesd
[20:11:47] <jamesd> hi willam
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[20:15:25] <_william_> so many Dennis...
[20:15:29] <_william_> three of you :)
[20:15:46] * Tpenta yawns
[20:16:18] * g4lt-mordant throws skittles into the gaping maw of Tpenta
[20:16:28] <Tpenta> yum
[20:16:37] <jamesd> i'm not surprised... dennis must have a clone or two to get his job done.
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[20:17:24] <_william_> :) jamesd  i am not either. But seeing him and his two clones at the same time... he must have many work to do :)
[20:17:37] <_william_> or maybe the clones are attacking ;)
[20:17:56] <dclarke__> hello
[20:18:08] <dclarke__> actually .. I'm fighing with crappy internet connection here
[20:18:13] <dclarke__> switching to modem
[20:18:24] <dclarke__> modem on Solaris snv_b52 .. how retro
[20:18:39] <dclarke__> be damned if I recall how to set that up
[20:18:43] <dclarke__> over to windows
[20:18:45] <dclarke__> :-\
[20:19:08] <_william_> :)
[20:19:22] <jamesd> dclarke it can be worse... i'm on an ultra speedy  9600 baud link via  usb connected cell phone.
[20:19:29] <g4lt-mordant> the bad part is I think he wrote the howto
[20:19:50] <dclarke__> once upon a time .. I did
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[20:20:03] <dclarke__> using chap for ppp authentication also
[20:20:08] <dclarke__> and compression and all that rot
[20:20:17] <dclarke__> nothing beats modem as a backup connection to the internet
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[20:20:28] <dclarke__> if the primary connections fails .. have a script that dials out
[20:20:42] <_william_> not even using your neighbours wifi access point ? ;)
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[20:20:53] <dclarke__> this is also why I refuse to ever setup critical servers in a server room if I don't have access to a pots line
[20:21:10] <dclarke__> well .. my neightbors may not have on
[20:21:12] <dclarke__> well .. my neightbors may not have one
[20:21:15] <jamesd> planetsolaris.org will finish displaying on this link in about 5 minutes.
[20:21:19] <dclarke__> I certainly do and I have crypto in place
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[20:21:32] <dclarke__> planetsolaris.org will what ?
[20:21:47] <_william_> here there is at least 4 open access point in my building...
[20:23:56] <jamesd> dclarke__, i get  1k/s  downloads because of this stupid  9600 baud link to the net.
[20:24:19] <dclarke__> erk
[20:24:30] <dclarke__> so .. don't download
[20:24:53] <Error_404> yeah, now isn't the time to browse youtube
[20:24:56] <dclarke__> if it makes you feel any better .. and it won't .. I have used modem as my primary and only connection for a year once
[20:24:59] <dclarke__> back in 2003
[20:25:22] <dclarke__> getting the Recommended patch cluster was a real effort in patience
[20:25:31] <dclarke__> I'd leave wget running for a looong time
[20:26:02] <jamesd> i don't i just want to check the news and scan my email and chat... each pretty much has to be done sepperately.. and i must look away so i don't notice.
[20:26:29] <jamesd> i downloaded  slackware  my first linux distro on a  2400 baud modem.
[20:26:38] <dclarke__> oh .. 2400
[20:26:41] <_william_> respect...
[20:26:42] <dclarke__> I recall 2400
[20:26:59] <dclarke__> well .. not to be Mr. I Can Top That ... but
[20:27:04] <_william_> i used to have a 2400 modem when i was at university
[20:27:13] <_william_> i bought it on friday evening
[20:27:16] <jamesd> 30  1.44 mb floppies..  start it at bed time and it might have a floppy done by the next day when i got home from work
[20:27:25] <dclarke__> I once installed Lotus Notes server on a Sun SparcSERVER 2000E via X entirely over 9600 baud modem
[20:27:35] <_william_> saturday evening i brought it back and changed it for a really more expensive 14400 :)
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[20:27:55] <dclarke__> the US Robotics 14,400 modems were fantastic
[20:28:04] <Error_404> when i was a small child i remember playing spacewars over a 1200 baud link
[20:28:07] <jamesd> i remember when 1200 baud modems were considered fast... what THE HELL WAS I THINKING.
[20:28:07] <_william_> dclarke__, that's what i used for years
[20:28:14] <_william_> before moving to 28.8
[20:28:37] <_william_> and after i switch to cable modem
[20:28:40] <dclarke__> do you recall Andreas Almroth ?
[20:28:45] <_william_> sure
[20:28:52] <dclarke__> we don't hear from him that much anymore
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[20:29:05] <dclarke__> but for a long time he was working in a data center in the African Congo
[20:29:14] <dclarke__> his internet connection was just horrible
[20:29:20] <Error_404> what an odd place to put a datacenter
[20:29:21] <_william_> no news from him ? i hope health is ok
[20:29:26] <dclarke__> anywhere from 300 baud up to 8K/sec
[20:29:39] <dclarke__> he was doing okay .. last I heard .. full remission
[20:29:48] <dclarke__> then he got on with life .. became busy
[20:29:57] <dclarke__> I wanted to drop him an email and say hello
[20:29:58] <_william_> i use to work in Malaysia, downloading patches from my Seattle office using a 14400 modem... i was getting crazy
[20:30:05] <_william_> line was dropping every 2 minutes
[20:30:06] <dclarke__> he is a really smart guy .. good guy too
[20:30:45] <_william_> he's still living in danmark (or norway ?)
[20:31:03] <dclarke__> denmark
[20:31:14] <dclarke__> I'm going over to the very quiet #blastwave channel
[20:31:21] <_william_> :)
[20:31:26] <dclarke__> where all my thoughts are not logged
[20:31:41] <jamesd> dclarke__, which bose speakers do you have?
[20:31:59] <jamesd> i had  301's when i was young...
[20:32:23] <dclarke__> I'm going over to the very quiet #blastwave channel <<-- I meant that !
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[20:34:50] <Error_404> i didn't even know there *was* a #blastwave
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[21:41:35] <solarx> I'm back again to talk about printers
[21:43:15] <solarx> are there people here?
[21:43:20] <trygvis> nope
[21:43:23] <trygvis> we're all dead
[21:43:30] <ShadowHntr> *sneeze*
[21:43:33] <solarx> closed
[21:43:45] <solarx> seriously guys
[21:44:52] <solarx> I count more than 50 nicknames on the right column, there's no one !
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[21:53:26] <solarx> still no one?
[21:54:33] <jamesd> here is a "two" were out of "ones"
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[22:11:20] <pikapika> hello
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[22:11:40] <jamesd> hi
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[23:33:07] * jmcp saunters in
[23:33:25] <jbk> afternoon
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[23:42:08] <Tpenta> yep, saunter is about the right  word
[23:42:26] <jmcp> :)
[23:49:42] <jmcp> Tpenta:  http://www.wikimapia.org/#y=39986656&x=116318436&z=15&l=0&m=a
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[23:56:08] <jengelh> jmcp





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