[00:00:38] <Gman_> no
[00:00:43] <noyb> samahaw: ctrl-alt-bksp  to kill the session.  Login with cmd-line login.  mkdir old-gnome-stuff; mv .g* old-gnome-stuff    logout.  login.    diff the files in old-gnome-stuff to see what changed and fix it.
[00:01:14] <samahaw> is this the only way?
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[00:01:20] <noyb> samahaw: no
[00:01:35] <samahaw> i accidentally chose large fonts theme and cant go back
[00:01:46] <samahaw> there must be an easy way to change that
[00:02:14] <noyb> samahaw: I've never done it, but there's probably other ways to fix it.  What tool did you use to select a large font?
[00:05:58] <noyb> samahaw: do you mean "Large Print" theme in the Theme Preferences?
[00:10:52] <McBofh> gisburn: Sun's USA-based folks are probably just catching up with 4 days worth of email
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[00:15:54] <hile_> howdy McBofh
[00:16:14] * gisburn growls
[00:16:28] <hile_> jesus dude, calm down
[00:16:36] <hile_> they'll get to what you need. give them time.
[00:17:29] <McBofh> hiya hile_
[00:18:03] <McBofh> gisburn: do you have any idea how many emails some of those folks are likely to have to process on a daily basis?
[00:18:58] <silk> gisburn, you have a  fault?
[00:19:11] <McBofh> silk: he's impatient, that's his fault :-)
[00:20:04] <silk> im pretty impatient from time to time
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[00:20:17] <silk> hell, who am I kidding, I impatient most of the time
[00:20:46] * McBofh goes one better
[00:20:51] <McBofh> I'm impatient *all* of the time
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[00:36:01] <Tpenta> Gman_: incoming new face for grommit
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[00:48:41] <Drone> stevel is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 28 Nov 2006 22:44 GMT, saying 'anyone here wise in apache-fu?'.
[00:48:43] <samahaw> its in the java desktop
[00:48:51] <samahaw> i accidentally chose large fonts theme and cant go back, any way to do this?
[00:48:55] * stevel has seen stevel around recently
[00:49:06] <Tpenta> steve, you have mail
[00:49:21] <stevel> indeed i do
[00:49:23] <stevel> but nothing new
[00:49:38] <Tpenta> i redid the p.o.o pic for me, why does that seem like suchg an appropriate name for a blog aggregator?
[00:49:54] <boyd> samahaw: Stand further away from the screen
[00:50:18] <stevel> i love the acronym :)
[00:50:34] <Tpenta> it is just "right"
[00:50:53] <Tpenta> "I've just blogged some more sh*t" :)
[00:50:58] <boyd> hehe
[00:51:03] <samahaw> Im serious guys
[00:51:32] <boyd> samahaw: I'm sure you are... I just don't know... when you say you can't go back, you mean that you can't choose another theme?
[00:51:58] <samahaw> I can't chose to make the fonts smaller
[00:52:14] <Tpenta> the new gimp has the shadow stuff off the filters->light and shadow->drop shadow
[00:52:28] <Tpenta> samahaw, how did you make them larger again?
[00:52:44] <boyd> "large fonts" theme I think
[00:52:54] <Gman_> Tpenta, still not quite right ;)
[00:52:58] <Gman_> Tpenta, i'll have a go now
[00:53:07] <Gman_> btw it's no longer grommit, it's opensolaris.org :)
[00:53:10] <Tpenta> what's wrong? I did everything in the instructions
[00:53:13] <boyd> samahaw: So what you're saying is that if you choose another theme, the fonts stay large?
[00:53:20] <Tpenta> i know now, but i didnt when i sent the mail
[00:53:45] * samahaw tried
[00:53:48] <samahaw> one second please
[00:53:57] <samahaw> tries*
[00:54:00] <Tpenta> you could try changing your font preferences
[00:54:45] <Tpenta> Gman_: I could send you the unscaled image if you like. (with the cropping etc done)
[00:55:00] <Tpenta> i found that it was best to do the drop shadow after scaling
[00:55:36] <Gman_> Tpenta, i have it here
[00:55:55] <Tpenta> ummm the original, i only sent the small
[00:55:58] <Gman_> Tpenta, needs a transparent background, there's a white circle around the head, and the drop shadow is too high :)
[00:56:05] <samahaw> Tpenta: yea, i did that
[00:56:17] <samahaw> having trouble creating a user tho
[00:56:31] <samahaw> useradd and passwd works fine
[00:57:11] <samahaw> but when i try to login as user it complains no directory is found and drops me to a terminal
[00:57:34] <delewis> samahaw, you need to properly configure the automounter
[00:57:53] <samahaw> i guess i should create the users directory first
[00:58:06] <delewis> no
[00:58:24] <delewis> useradd -g samahaw -G staff,sysadmin -s /usr/bin/ksh -d /export/home/samahaw -m -k /etc/skel samahaw
[00:58:25] <samahaw> How shall I proceed please?
[00:58:29] <delewis> edit auto_home
[00:58:38] <delewis> add samahaw localhost:/export/home/samahaw
[00:58:48] <delewis> then usermod -d /home samahaw samahaw
[00:58:51] <boyd> Gman_: I think the white circle around Tpenta's head is called a "halo" :)
[00:58:54] <delewis> er /home/samahaw*
[00:59:17] <Tpenta> gman, do you want the prescaled post cropped image to work with?
[00:59:21] <Tpenta> I can send it very quickly
[00:59:32] <stevel> jurassic mail running soooooooooooooooo slow today
[00:59:50] <samahaw> <delewis> er /home/samahaw*
[00:59:53] <samahaw> instead of what?
[01:00:00] <Gman_> Tpenta, i have the thumbnail one, alan_2006_thm.png
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[01:00:41] <samahaw> ok
[01:01:18] <Tpenta> I've just sent you the full sized one, it should just need the transparancy stuff done, then scaling then drop shadow
[01:02:01] <samahaw> says -g samahaw doesnt exist, wants me to choose another group
[01:02:15] <samahaw> oops
[01:02:42] <samahaw> says group samahaw doesnt exist
[01:02:47] <samahaw> not -g samahaw
[01:03:31] <delewis> then fucking add the group.
[01:03:44] <delewis> samahaw, what on earth are you doing with a UNIX system, anyway?
[01:04:07] <samahaw> I'm a Linux user and its my first time on Solaris, please try to understand
[01:04:12] <stevel> delewis: everybody starts somewhere...
[01:04:14] <samahaw> groupadd ?
[01:04:17] <Tpenta> be nice folks
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[01:04:45] <samahaw> done, user created
[01:05:13] <samahaw> thank you, delewis
[01:05:20] <delewis> samahaw, glad to be of service.
[01:05:41] <samahaw> :/ how do i get out of edit?
[01:06:03] <silk> edit? you mean vi?
[01:07:04] <samahaw> i typed edit auto_home and it dropped me to an editor
[01:07:09] <silk> q!
[01:07:18] <samahaw> no, doesnt look like vi
[01:07:34] <delewis> it's most likely ed
[01:07:42] <Tpenta> no, it's based on ex
[01:07:47] <Tpenta> see edit(1)
[01:07:48] <stevel> :q
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[01:08:14] <Tpenta> the man page looks reasonably good for this
[01:09:29] <stevel> i love the man page
[01:09:35] <stevel> "(variant of ex for casual users)"
[01:09:37] <samahaw> add samahaw localhost:/export/home/samahaw
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[01:09:41] <samahaw> I do this in vi?
[01:09:42] <sommerfeld> oh, my.  grown defect list on a disk in a zfs pool i manage has gone from 17 sectors to 54 since august.
[01:09:45] <stevel> because "casual users" *love* using line editors
[01:10:02] <spackes1> so, I am trying to install build 52 and I just get a grub prompt
[01:10:28] <spackes1> I keep trying to get the latest builds in hopes that it will be better, but it's not
[01:10:34] <samahaw> With what should I do this "add samahaw localhost:/export/home/samahaw"
[01:10:35] <samahaw> vi?
[01:10:59] <delewis> don't put "add" on that line
[01:11:00] <dwc-> just turn off autofs
[01:11:02] <delewis> I used it as a verb
[01:11:32] <stevel> echo samahaw localhost:/export/home/samahaw >> /etc/auto_home
[01:11:52] <sommerfeld> " If you are using a CRT terminal you might want to
[01:11:52] <sommerfeld>      learn about the display editor vi.".  talk about documentation that's 20+ years out of date...
[01:12:05] <stevel> lol
[01:12:08] <spackes1> guessing it just can't recognize something and I need to give it a hint?
[01:12:40] <sommerfeld> spackes1: is that booting from CD or DVD?
[01:12:47] <spackes1> sommerfeld: dvd
[01:12:48] <mlh> hehe ... I suppose vi is not suitable for LCD
[01:13:03] <spackes1> sommerfeld: but I think the same thing happened when I used to try from cd
[01:13:09] <sommerfeld> if you have an LCD you should be using emacs .. :-)
[01:13:22] <dwc-> and ed was appropriate for ... line printers?
[01:13:59] <sommerfeld> dwc: character printers.
[01:14:18] <sommerfeld> ASR33 teletype, DECwriter, etc., etc.,
[01:14:38] <delewis> yeah, you couldn't exactly do curses on a DECwriter :-)
[01:15:19] <Doc> blah.. i had "screen" running on a DECwriter one without any trouble!
[01:15:26] <Doc> s/one/once/
[01:15:30] <boyd> sommerfeld: Where'd you find that documentation?
[01:16:04] <Doc> did use a lot of paper tho...
[01:16:10] <stevel> boyd: man -s1 edit
[01:16:40] <stevel> second paragraph
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[01:17:24] <boyd> Well I never.
[01:18:15] <spackes1> sommerfeld: any ideas?
[01:18:22] <boyd> I love that kind of thing in there... it gives a sense of history. Like walking around a european city and there being 1000 year old cathedrals around
[01:18:23] * mlh remembers using ed on a 110/75 teletype
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[01:19:01] <boyd> I still use ed for some tasks, when I know it's a smallish edit and I can't be bothered setting TERM, stty etc
[01:19:13] * Tpenta recalls working on a pdp11 with a decrwriter I console
[01:19:24] <delewis> heh, Plan 9 doesn't ship vi, so the only editor you have on a console is ed. :-)
[01:19:33] <mlh> yeah I used ed maybe about once every 2 years or so for something or other
[01:19:44] <boyd> delewis: But you're not on a text console much
[01:19:49] <mlh> s/usd/use
[01:19:53] <delewis> boyd, depends.
[01:19:59] <delewis> if it's a fileserver, you *have* to run console.
[01:20:02] <boyd> I use it, like 2-3 times a month
[01:20:10] <boyd> It's quite underused in scripting imho
[01:20:19] <mlh> I use cat >somefile more than ed somefile
[01:21:12] <boyd> Bah, I just type into the compilers STDIN :)
[01:21:22] <mlh> #include </dev/tty>
[01:21:31] <sommerfeld> spackes1: sorry.  i actually rarely boot systems off of media because we have boot servers aplenty.   i'd be suspicious of a bad burn or bad download but if you see it with multiple disks with multiple iso images that seems unlikely..
[01:21:45] <mlh> (that was a real OCCC entry)
[01:22:02] <cyl2> spackes1: What system are you trying to boot on?
[01:22:21] <samahaw> isnt there a tabbed command completion in solaris ?
[01:22:36] <mlh> samahaw: use bash
[01:22:41] <cyl2> samahaw: install bash or zsh
[01:22:59] <boyd> cyl2: Both are standard in solaris for non-small instals
[01:23:02] <mlh> passmgmt -m -s /usr/bin/bash samahaw
[01:23:04] <boyd> s/al/sll
[01:23:19] <samahaw> mlh?
[01:23:24] <samahaw> is it installed in solaris
[01:23:25] <samahaw> ?
[01:23:40] <samahaw> and a command history like the up arrow repeating the last command?
[01:23:46] <mlh> yes, unless you chose explicitly not to install it
[01:23:47] <boyd> samahaw: If you didn't do a minimal install, then it's there
[01:23:50] <delewis> passmgmt -- never heard of that one.
[01:23:55] <delewis> any advantage of using it over usermod?
[01:23:57] <spackes1> sommerfeld: it has happened with several different dvds/cds
[01:24:02] <mlh> erm
[01:24:11] <mlh> I think you can't usermod if the account is in use
[01:24:20] <delewis> and with passmgmt, you can?
[01:24:25] <spackes1> cyl2: the system is one I built myself, it has an athlon chip
[01:24:26] <mlh> but with passmgmt you can .... I think
[01:24:29] <delewis> hmm, nice.
[01:24:45] <samahaw> what would that command do to me, mlh?
[01:24:48] <mlh> I wish solaris had gnu's gpasswd
[01:25:10] <spackes1> cyl2: the board has onboard sata, which might be problematic? but I am trying to installed onto an ide drive
[01:25:15] <mlh> samahaw: it would set your shell to bash, so that when you next logged in, you'd be using bash
[01:25:22] <samahaw> ok, logged in as user, thank you very much guys
[01:25:36] <cyl2> spackes1: does it boot into the installer at all?
[01:26:00] <spackes1> cyl2: nope, just straight to a grub prompt
[01:26:07] <spackes1> cyl2: takes about two seconds to get there
[01:26:09] <Tpenta> stevel: today is weekly source drop day is it not?
[01:26:19] <stevel> yeah, wasn't it pushed?
[01:26:27] <cyl2> spackes1: and your using the dvd?
[01:26:34] <spackes1> yes
[01:26:35] <Tpenta> just reminding myself to do te bins up
[01:26:43] <cyl2> spackes1: how did you make the dvd?
[01:26:51] <Tpenta> how can I map the mercurial drop ID to the time I did my usr/src/Makefile putback?
[01:26:54] <stevel> i should probably send an announcement though
[01:26:57] <Tpenta> I want to mention that in the blog
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[01:27:15] <stevel> d04f67c1972c
[01:27:26] <spackes1> cyl2: downloaded the images through the download manager and copy'd them together, as per the docs
[01:27:29] <Tpenta> ok, so how did you work that out?
[01:27:32] <stevel> hg log -R /net/tonic-gate.sfbay/builds/onnv-gate | less
[01:27:36] <cyl2> spackes1: so from a windows machine
[01:27:45] <stevel> there are more sophisticated ways, but i knew yours would be up near the top
[01:27:50] <spackes1> cyl2: sorry, yeah, I burnt it on a windows machine
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[01:28:09] <spackes1> cyl2: I have done the same thing to install onto my x2100 and the dvd was fine
[01:28:12] <cyl2> spackes1: I had problems in the past making a dvd from windows, try grabbing cd1 of the cd image and booting off of that
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[01:28:42] <cyl2> spackes1: oh maybe it just doesn't like the hardware then
[01:28:52] <spackes1> cyl2: yeah, that's my guess
[01:28:53] <cyl2> spackes1: did you try the hardware compatibility suite test thing they have
[01:29:06] <spackes1> cyl2: nope, where is that?
[01:29:59] <cyl2> spackes1: lemme find it
[01:30:28] <spackes1> this guy? http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/
[01:30:39] <cyl2> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/install_check.html
[01:30:42] <cyl2> ya
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[01:31:29] <Digit0> Hi
[01:31:34] <cyl2> Hi
[01:31:44] <Digit0> It's there any opensolaris 'distro' easy to install in i386 ?
[01:32:13] <stevel> richlowe: i just pushed dduvall's on gk tools to os.o
[01:32:16] <cyl2> the opensolaris ON build isn't too bad
[01:32:19] <cyl2> installation wise
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[01:32:51] <cyl2> run this to make sure your system is support first though
[01:32:53] <cyl2> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/install_check.html
[01:32:54] <cyl2> :D
[01:32:58] <jmcp> morning all
[01:33:48] <cyl2> it's late afternoon for me
[01:34:44] <samahaw> you all were very helpful, it would have taken me a long time to do all these things all by myself
[01:34:51] <samahaw> you now have a solaris convert :))
[01:34:53] <boyd> Morning, jmcp
[01:34:57] <Digit0> ok
[01:34:59] <boyd> "Due to several problems with the latest version 2.16 ... the Debian
[01:35:00] <boyd> GNOME team has decided to ship GNOME 2.14 with the upcoming
[01:35:00] <boyd> etch release"
[01:35:11] <cyl2> samahaw: you should write a document on installing solaris now
[01:35:14] <samahaw> after i configure network i hope to chat in here from within solaris
[01:35:37] <samahaw> that would be tough tho, it doesnt detect my old cheapo rraltek nic
[01:35:40] <samahaw> :(
[01:35:54] <cyl2> it should support realtek
[01:35:59] <cyl2> unless it's a really old one
[01:36:06] <samahaw> maybe i should swith to the onboard intel nic
[01:36:13] <cyl2> onboard nic is good
[01:36:41] <jmcp> hi boyd, one-n-all
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[01:36:46] <samahaw> thank you very much again
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[01:37:06] <Tpenta> hey jim!
[01:37:13] <jimgris> hey alan
[01:37:24] <stevel> hey jim
[01:37:31] <jimgris> hey, steve
[01:37:47] <jimgris> nice pics from Koea
[01:37:50] <jimgris> Korea
[01:37:53] <boyd> Gman_: Do you have any info about problems with GTK 2.10's file chooser and cancelling operations?
[01:38:21] <stevel> jimgris: thanks, yours were way better.  you actually got proper light exposure inside techdays :)
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[01:39:12] <Digit0> It's a Athlon 64
[01:39:21] <jimgris> steve: cool
[01:40:34] <Gman_> boyd, nope
[01:40:41] <cyl2> Digit0: That doesn't mean solaris will work
[01:40:49] <Tpenta> Gman, how are you doing with the image?
[01:40:52] <Gman_> Tpenta, http://www.gnome.org/~gman/tpenta.png
[01:40:55] <Gman_> done
[01:41:01] <Tpenta> :)
[01:41:06] <stevel> nice work
[01:41:11] <Gman_> yeah, it's pretty good
[01:41:12] <boyd> Gman_: It's the main issue that the debian folks mention with 2.16 to prevent them including it in etch
[01:41:21] <Gman_> ah
[01:41:28] <Gman_> must not have noticed it
[01:41:35] <boyd> Can't be too bad then :)
[01:41:44] <Tpenta> and it's on p.o.o now?
[01:42:05] <Gman_> just doing it
[01:42:15] <Tpenta> :)
[01:42:49] <boyd> Tpenta: That's gone in my address book, so I get your head on any emails you send :)
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[01:42:58] <Tpenta> :)
[01:43:23] <Digit0> In the page it says that the installator checker says you what devices are supported
[01:43:50] <Gman_> Tpenta, just syncing now
[01:45:05] * Gman_ just followed the hackergotchi avi on the wikipedia page
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[01:45:14] <Digit0> I have to register :(
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[01:45:36] <boyd> Digit0: It's free, just annoying
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[01:46:41] <onbot> commit by Rod Evans:  6487273 ld.so.1 may open arbitrary locale files when relative path is built from locale environment vars; 6487284 ld.so.1: buffer overflow in doprf() function
[01:46:50] <Gman_> stevel, got your mail, i'm happy enough doing simon's
[01:47:02] <stevel> gman_: k, thanks
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[01:47:45] * Gman_ has to put up movement's mug too
[01:48:00] <samahaw> anybody know an easy way to temporarily disable editing of all pages in a wiki?
[01:48:07] <alanc> hmm, I was going to ask if onbot should be reporting security putbacks, but I guess with the live gate updates outside the firewall, they're immediately public anyway, so it doesn't matter much
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[01:48:30] <movement> hmm doesn't poo have an archive?
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[01:49:00] * boyd tries to think of a witty name for a poo archive
[01:49:28] <Tpenta> crapper?
[01:49:39] <movement> ok, doesit have a crapper?
[01:50:53] * jmcp shakes head
[01:50:56] <Kitty> 42
[01:50:56] <jmcp> you guys .....
[01:51:05] <richlowe> stevel: nice.
[01:51:26] <richlowe> I suspect I have more pressing issues though.
[01:51:47] <jmcp> ok, uninformed question coming through ... how do I add complete support for another locale to an already installed Solaris instance?
[01:51:55] <jmcp> pointers to TFM will be gratefully received
[01:51:58] <richlowe> jmcp: agonizingly.
[01:52:31] <boyd> A whole new geo? Is that just pkgs?
[01:53:05] <richlowe> my limited experience is that /var/sadm/system/data/locales_installed can be an utter pain in the ass.
[01:53:20] <richlowe> though I was trying to nuke locales I'd somehow acquired, rather than add more.
[01:53:44] * boyd is somehow not surprised that something about packaging is a PITA
[01:53:55] <jmcp> boyd: I want to add support for Simplified Chinese so when I get emails from my coworkers here (or look @ wikimapia) I don't see the squares with numbers but characters instead
[01:53:58] <jmcp> richlowe: bugger
[01:54:05] <movement> jmcp: localeadm is supposed to do it, no?
[01:54:09] <richlowe> jmcp: add the packages and pray? :)
[01:54:22] <boyd> jmcp: Can you read simplified chinese? Would the characters be more useful? :)
[01:54:32] <jmcp> movement: aha!
[01:54:41] <stevel> certain characters might be useful... i.e.: numbers
[01:54:44] <jmcp> richlowe: I tried that before and killed gnome until I removed them
[01:54:47] * boyd acknowleges that they're ugly and would rather see them too
[01:54:53] <jmcp> boyd: some of the characters
[01:54:53] <boyd> rather not
[01:55:09] <Gman_> movement, ok, uploaded your image too
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[01:55:39] <samahaw> Gman: url?
[01:55:52] <jmcp> movement: I think that's the tool I need. Thankyou'
[01:55:52] * stevel wonders if gman is going to put "hackergotchi'd poo people" on his status report for the week
[01:56:08] <richlowe> y'all are having a bunch of fun with this, huh?
[01:56:11] <Gman_> you're assuming that i actually write status reports
[01:56:15] <richlowe> oh my, I just used "y'all"
[01:56:24] <boyd> And huh
[01:56:29] * stevel revokes richlowe's british passport
[01:56:32] <jmcp> richlowe: y'all y'all should get with the South Park references
[01:56:41] <Gman_> samahaw, http://planet.opensolaris.org/heads/johnlev.png
[01:56:47] <Gman_> movement, hrm, doesn't look so good
[01:56:54] <Digit0> the usb for copying the results needs to have any specific filesystem ?
[01:57:00] <Gman_> not your face, just the cropped bit at the bottom :)
[01:57:12] * stevel has wondered what movement looked like
[01:57:26] <movement> Gman_: no, it looks crappy. hrm. hold on
[01:57:27] <Gman_> hooray for community faces!
[01:57:30] <movement> stupid gimp
[01:57:37] <Gman_> :)
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[02:00:11] <Tpenta> :)
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[02:00:39] <richlowe> Gman_: shave him again.
[02:00:46] <boyd> Haha.
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[02:02:51] <stevel> my hackergotchi needs a drop shadow
[02:03:11] <Tpenta> so we cant see a list of who is there? permission denied on the heads directory
[02:03:22] <Gman_> Tpenta, http://planet.opensolaris.org/heads/tpenta.png
[02:03:23] <Gman_> looks better
[02:03:27] <Gman_> Tpenta, yeah, i'm going to change that
[02:03:30] <Gman_> just haven't had the time
[02:04:48] <Digit0> the usb for copying the results needs to have any specific filesystem ?
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[02:07:56] <movement> Gman_: right, should be a bit better this time.
[02:08:08] <movement> I still look quite drunk though
[02:08:18] <movement> quite accurately.
[02:08:26] <Gman_> did you scale it?
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[02:11:13] <dwc-> 16:53 < jmcp> boyd: I want to add support for Simplified Chinese so when I get emails from my coworkers here (or look @ wikimapia) I don't see the squares with numbers but characters instead
[02:11:18] <dwc-> that sounds like a font missing
[02:11:36] <dwc-> I used to get that with some latin stuff, til I noticed some missing fonts
[02:13:15] <movement> Gman_: I couldn't find where it said what size they needed
[02:13:40] <Gman_> movement, same size as the others on the page - look to planet.gnome.org for examples
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[02:14:11] <Digit0> Doesn't recognize my Nvidia SATA hard disk :( :(
[02:14:21] <movement> some seem to be 65px wide some 70
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[02:14:33] <Gman_> Tpenta's is about 70x90
[02:14:51] <Gman_> movement, the original you sent was well over i think
[02:15:07] <movement> yes it is, I can scale it to 70px wide if you like
[02:15:25] <Gman_> yeah, that would be good, thanks
[02:15:48] <Gman_> maybe sharpen the face layer
[02:15:50] <stevel> gman: what drop shadow did you do?
[02:15:53] <Gman_> if you still have the xcf
[02:15:58] <stevel> (in terms of offset + blur radius)
[02:16:07] <Gman_> stevel, i didn't
[02:16:22] <Gman_> i used multiple layers instead
[02:16:27] <stevel> ah
[02:16:32] <stevel> how did you do the drop shadow then?
[02:16:36] <Gman_> selected the image, filled in with a new layer
[02:16:45] <Gman_> i'll send you tpenta's
[02:17:32] <stevel> can you send it to my grommit address?
[02:17:37] <stevel> jurassic is slow as molasses today
[02:17:39] <Gman_> oh, sure
[02:17:46] <Gman_> stevel@grommit?
[02:17:50] <stevel> steve at grommit
[02:18:06] <Gman_> done.
[02:18:22] <stevel> thanks
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[02:27:20] <stevel> okay, i updated mine with a drop-shadow
[02:27:38] <Error_404> mirror the floor
[02:27:56] <stevel> don't think it looks quite as good as yours, but i'll live
[02:28:01] <Error_404> like an apple ad....or gizmodo
[02:28:25] <stevel> poo hackergotchis == poopy-heads, as my nephew would say
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[02:29:04] <jmcp> !seen dclarke
[02:29:05] <Drone> dclarke (dclarke!n=Dennis_C at d146-17-108 dot home1.cgocable.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Mon 27 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT, saying 'damn .. the kids won't be happy with that'.
[02:29:06] <Gman_> stevel, i think yours is cool :)
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[02:30:24] <richlowe> I'm so glad I don't blog.
[02:31:35] <Error_404> heh
[02:31:50] <stevel> richlowe: and miss out on your very own poopyhead?
[02:31:53] <stevel> :-P
[02:32:02] * jmcp still needs to work out a poopyhead
[02:33:09] <Gman_> richlowe, yet
[02:33:20] <Gman_> ^not yet
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[02:34:44] <stevel> hey sasha
[02:35:11] <stevel> okay time for me to split. gotta go fight the traffic up 880
[02:35:12] <akolb> hey steve
[02:35:23] <akolb> drive safely
[02:35:24] <richlowe> stevel: have fun.
[02:35:30] <stevel> 'night guys
[02:35:35] <Gman_> cya steve
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[02:43:56] <twincest> 6487284 ld.so.1: buffer overflow in doprf() function
[02:44:01] <twincest> are we meant to see these things? :)
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[02:45:06] <jmcp> twincest: that's a putback message, correct? then yes, you are
[02:46:15] <twincest> hm, then either it's not a security issue, or there's a sun alert for it?
[02:46:30] <jmcp> no idea
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[02:49:49] <richlowe> twincest: You'll see the putback, you don't see the CR
[02:50:03] <richlowe> that's part of why hiding the CR is somewhat foolish.
[02:51:17] <movement> Gman_: thanks
[02:51:41] <richlowe> Hm.
[02:51:49] <richlowe> I guess I should have asked stevel where he pushed the tools *to*.
[02:54:19] <richlowe> ah well.
[02:56:17] <richlowe> Oh, they're just not anon@ accessible.
[02:56:32] <richlowe> Gman_: I agree with 6495808 more and more each day ;)
[02:57:09] <Tpenta> Gman_: what's an xcf file?
[02:57:14] <Gman_> Tpenta, gimp
[02:57:15] <twincest> gimp native image format
[02:57:38] <Tpenta> ahh
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[02:57:57] <Gman_> richlowe, cool, seeing more private repos being started?
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[03:01:34] <jmcp> movement: thanks to you, I can now see all the simplified Chinese characters :)
[03:01:38] <jmcp> time for a quick blog entry I think
[03:03:12] <richlowe> jmcp: your next step is to learn to read them :)
[03:03:26] <jmcp> richlowe: that part is well underway
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[03:07:53] <sommerfeld> jmcp: have time for a random A5x00 care-and-feeding question?
[03:08:39] <jmcp> sommerfeld: sure
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[03:09:38] <sommerfeld> Am I correct in assuming that when a disk has 54 grown defects, of which 37 happened in the last three months, it's time to retire it?
[03:09:59] <jmcp> yes, *DEFINITELY*
[03:10:15] <jmcp> sommerfeld: btw, what is the output of "iostat -En" for that/those disk(s) ?
[03:10:41] <jmcp> if there are any entries at all in the Predictive Failure Analysis column .... turf it asap
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[03:12:48] <sommerfeld> digging through.  looks like the disks are dumped in random order.
[03:12:51] <sommerfeld> c13t10d0         Soft Errors: 22 Hard Errors: 10 Transport Errors: 0
[03:12:53] <sommerfeld> Vendor: SEAGATE  Product: ST373405FSUN72G  Revision: 0638 Serial No: 0142K0NT9H
[03:12:53] <sommerfeld> Size: 73.41GB <73407865856 bytes>
[03:12:53] <sommerfeld> Media Error: 8 Device Not Ready: 0 No Device: 2 Recoverable: 22
[03:13:04] <sommerfeld> sick puppy on its way out
[03:13:44] <sommerfeld> are these counters nuked at reboot?
[03:14:02] <sommerfeld> (or power cycle?)
[03:14:29] <jmcp> those ones ... are nuked on reboot / POR
[03:15:15] <sommerfeld> so, that's the error count in the last 3 hours.  we had a scheduled short-notice power hit at 6pm today.
[03:15:36] <jmcp> ouch
[03:15:45] <jmcp> and ouch again for the 3 hour error count
[03:17:51] <sommerfeld> (spoke with an electrician making the rounds after the power hit.  site is fed by two 13.8kv feeds.  normally each powers half the campus, but if one source fails, a redundant connection comes up between the two.  one of the feeds failed last sunday at ~1am.  it's been repaired, and the 6pm power hit was needed to switch back to the normal arrangement..)
[03:18:05] <Gman_> http://www.webmink.net/press-photo.htm
[03:18:10] <Gman_> chuckle - simon with no beard! ;)
[03:18:49] <sommerfeld> I see why he grew one
[03:22:22] <Tpenta> he looks a bit like Doc
[03:22:51] <Jiko> wow, he does
[03:23:02] <Jiko> whoever that is. :)
[03:23:35] <sommerfeld> jmcp: anyhow, I <heart> ZFS self-healing.  pool kept on chugging as if nothing had happened.
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[03:25:31] <Tpenta> jmcp: have a look at the unshaven simon and see if you agree that he and Doc look vaguely similar
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[03:26:59] <alanc> I was thinking unshaven simon looked a bit like Andy Roach (director of x86 driver group)
[03:27:52] <jmcp> sommerfeld: yeeehaw!
[03:28:07] <jmcp> alanc: hmmm .. he's my Director now.
[03:28:33] <jmcp> Tpenta: yeah, there's a definite similarity
[03:29:52] <alanc> heh - we worked for Andy in a previous reorg
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[03:32:08] <Tpenta> are any other of the sun folks having problems logging in to blogs.sun.com?
[03:33:31] <Tpenta> just keeps dropping me back to the login page
[03:35:18] <ProfMikey> it's GCN'ed I believe
[03:37:15] <Tpenta> i saw no mail about a gcn
[03:37:48] <alanc> hmm, I was just able to login okay
[03:38:45] <Tpenta> hrmmm i still cant get in
[03:38:50] <jmcp> Tpenta: it's just you
[03:39:02] <Tpenta> it doesnt like me
[03:39:31] <Tpenta> now that wierd
[03:39:38] <Tpenta> i clicked "remember me" and it then let me in
[03:39:54] <ProfMikey> ha!
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[03:41:39] <ProfMikey> you're not alone, it happened to me before on the other sun site
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[03:42:56] <Tpenta> http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/usr%2Fsrc%2Fmakefile_now_recognises_non-debug_encumbered
[03:44:07] <Tpenta> Gman_: how often does p.o.o update?
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[03:47:44] <fred343> does anybody know if there's a log kept for this channel and if so how i can get a copy?
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[03:48:53] <Gman_> Tpenta, every 30 mins
[03:49:13] <jmcp> fred434: it used to be listed in the topic for the channel. ping chanserv
[03:49:58] <fred434> what's chanserv?
[03:50:29] <ProfMikey> fred434: http://www.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/opensolaris
[03:50:34] <fred434> nm
[03:50:35] <fred434> thnks
[03:50:40] <ProfMikey> anytime
[03:52:33] <Gman_> here's my attempt at simon - http://www.gnome.org/~gman/webmink.png
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[03:55:12] <Tpenta> that's pretty good glynn
[03:55:24] <boyd> That's great
[03:55:40] <Gman_> i think i've got the hackergotchis nailed :)
[03:56:12] <sommerfeld> jmcp: now, i'm also seeing some mention of bursts of "invalid transmission words".  StorADE is reporting things like: "ITW-ERROR (30696 in 1 mins): Detector: ses-A0 on 'a5k 'zhadum_p0' Link: hba-7 on 'host 'zhadum.east.sun.com'"
[03:56:43] <sommerfeld> but as far as I can tell everything is running fine..
[03:57:12] <Tpenta> you'll have to do up ericb now as he is such a prolific blogger :)
[03:57:52] <jmcp> sommerfeld: that's looking bad. *very* bad
[03:59:47] <eboutilier> Tpenta: Actually I _was_ following the convo offline and went and grabbed my camera... and I have a photo here but it's kinda dim...
[04:00:00] <Tpenta> :)
[04:00:17] <sommerfeld> jmcp: how bad?
[04:00:30] <eboutilier> Gman_: Want to take a shot at it?
[04:00:40] <boyd> Yikes: "30696 in 1 mins"
[04:00:53] <jmcp> sommerfeld: invtx words are generally caused by (a) gbics gone to ghod, (b) cable integrity impaired ie twisted too tightly
[04:01:09] <jmcp> sommerfeld: you can clear the counters with luxadm
[04:01:21] <Gman_> eboutilier, what do you mean by 'dim'?
[04:01:33] <jmcp> sommerfeld: which would be a good thing to do so you can then see how much activity there is for the error counts
[04:01:53] <eboutilier> Low light. Just a lamp in an otherwise non-sunlit room.
[04:02:12] <Gman_> eboutilier, not ideal
[04:02:38] <Tpenta> gman: fyi it all waorks, face against latest blog post
[04:02:45] * Tpenta runs off to team meeting
[04:03:17] <eboutilier> I don't mind though. Afterall a less than flattering photo is in the hacergot...(whatever) tradition, no?
[04:03:37] <Gman_> eboutilier, send it my way and i'll see what i can do
[04:03:49] <eboutilier> On it's way...
[04:05:47] <sommerfeld> frmo reading the luxadm man page i found out how to read them (luxadm -e rdls) but not how to clear them..
[04:08:40] <jmcp> sommerfeld: ah... my memory was fuzzy
[04:08:45] <sommerfeld> any hints on how to distinguish "bad gbic" from "bad cable"
[04:08:46] <sommerfeld> ?
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[04:09:11] <sommerfeld> rdls says "NOTE: These LESB counts are not cleared by a reset, only power cycles.
[04:09:11] <sommerfeld> These counts must be compared to previously read counts.
[04:09:11] <sommerfeld> "
[04:09:35] <Gman_> eboutilier, yeah, not going to cut it
[04:09:38] <Gman_> a little too dark i think
[04:10:51] <jmcp> sommerfeld: no, sorry
[04:10:54] <jmcp> best to change both
[04:12:09] <eboutilier> Gman_: Yeah, that's what I thought. NP. Back to the drawing board.
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[04:14:17] <sommerfeld> just to understand the urgency -- the impact of these errors are what: retransmissions, etc., leading to poor performance?  or is it potential data corruption because there are so many errors that the CRC won't catch them all?
[04:18:03] <alanc> hmm, duboff isn't on poo?
[04:18:48] <alanc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/28954383/in/set-652297/ could make an amusing hackergotchi of him
[04:19:08] <alanc> I had forgotten jim caught me in http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/28954382/in/set-652297/
[04:19:29] <sommerfeld> jmcp: hmm.  counters haven't moved at all in ~10 minutes.
[04:19:30] <jmcp> potential DC
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[04:22:41] <sommerfeld> i think i'm actually in decent shape.  because i'm a paranoid bastard the pool is structured as a set of 4-disk raidz groups - one from each FC loop.  if the error bursts are uncorrelated zfs should recover.
[04:22:51] <sommerfeld> but i'll swap out gbics and cables when I get a chance...
[04:23:19] * jmcp nods
[04:24:52] <jmcp> if the date code on the gbics is more than 3 years old, make sure you replace them asap because the laser diodes degrade significantly
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[04:27:11] <sommerfeld> i can guarantee that they're that old
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[04:29:13] <whaq> can you combine zfs pools?
[04:30:41] <sommerfeld> whaq: not automagically.  i think best you can do is zfs send | zfs recv to move contents, then take one pool apart and add it to the other.
[04:30:54] <sommerfeld> (assumes you have sufficient free space...)
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[04:32:16] <whaq> sommerfeld, ok.. that's what I thought.
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[04:35:23] <hell`> i have a process that is using a log file, and i need to empty the log file so i use cat /dev/null > logfile, the logfile becomes empty and the process writes to it, but the df -k still doesnt show it freed the space.  does the process have to be restarted to show it?
[04:36:40] <boyd> hell`: UFS?
[04:36:45] <hell`> yes
[04:36:51] <boyd> hmm..
[04:37:01] * boyd was wondering about zfs delete queue
[04:38:08] <boyd> I'd have thought that truncing the file would free the space
[04:38:16] <jmcp> boyd: my delete queue problem was fixed
[04:38:22] <hell`> same here
[04:38:25] <Auralis> hell: the process holds the file descriptor open
[04:38:26] <boyd> jmcp: I know, I just thought it may be a delay
[04:39:13] <hell`> Auralis, so does that mean it holds the space too?
[04:39:20] <Auralis> exactly
[04:39:26] <hell`> until its restarted?
[04:39:32] <Auralis> exactly
[04:39:43] <boyd> Are you sure? Why on earth would it do that?
[04:39:48] <Auralis> or been notifed and able to close and reopen the fd
[04:40:03] <hell`> is there anyway to make it work without restarting the process?
[04:40:07] <boyd> That is true for unlinked files, but trunc?
[04:40:48] <Auralis> he overwrote the file content with 0, but the space keeps allocated because the Fd is still open for the larger file
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[04:44:21] <boyd> No, he didn't overwrite the file, he did an open with O_TRUNC
[04:44:25] * eboutilier emails Gman_ another jpg.
[04:49:07] <hell`> boyd, are you sure thats a O_TRUNC?
[04:49:19] <hell`> when you cat /dev/null
[04:49:39] <hell`> i just did a truss on one and didnt see any O_TRUNC
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[04:50:08] <boyd> Did you truss the shell (since that's what opens the file with a redirection)
[04:50:12] <boyd> ?
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[04:51:49] <hell`> ah
[04:51:51] <hell`> now i see
[04:52:04] <Triskelios> are the nightly closed bins debug builds?
[04:52:55] <richlowe> the nightly closed-bins are debug, yes.
[04:53:30] <Triskelios> darn, ok
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[04:54:53] <boyd> While we're talking about trunc etc, does anyone know that the "l" in lseek is for?
[04:59:02] <sommerfeld> "long".  as opposed to the original seek where the file pointer was an int.
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[04:59:29] <boyd> Yeah, I just found that via google in an article by richteer
[04:59:41] <boyd> But the orig has gone now..
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[05:16:54] <yusufg> hi, are the planet.opensolaris.org templates available anywhere ? layout/design is very nice
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[05:32:26] <Gman_> yongsun, planetweb module in cvs.gnome.org
[05:33:13] <Gman_> oops, yusufg ^
[05:33:39] <Gman_> eboutilier, should be better, i'll give it a go
[05:34:55] <yusufg> Gman_: thanks
[05:37:09] <jamesd>
[05:37:33] <eboutilier> Gman_: cool thanks.
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[05:45:54] <eugene> gman: hi.
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[06:12:01] <yusufg> Gman_: thanks. btw, do you use planet 2.0 or nightly or venus for p.o.o ?
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[06:23:59] <Gman_> yusufg, 2.0
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[07:41:05] <razrX> morning all
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[07:57:39] <fred343> can anybody tell me how to pick up hot geeky babes? and if so what irc  channels the populate
[07:57:59] <fred343> *they
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[07:58:17] <trygvis> fred343: if you find it, let me know
[07:58:23] * jmcp aims a kick in fred343's general direction
[07:58:50] <Tpenta> :)
[07:59:16] <Tpenta> jmcp: you saw that I just made b54? third last putback before gate close
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[08:00:07] <jteo> the makefile fix Tpenta?
[08:00:14] <Tpenta> yup
[08:01:38] <jmcp> Tpenta: yes, good work
[08:02:14] <Tpenta> mark told me "if it breaks the build you owe us lots of alcohol"
[08:07:04] <Error_404> jmcp: was it you that mentioned in passing a while ago something about sun extending the campus ambassador program?
[08:07:45] <awg> Error_404: we recently got a new one here at the u of a, the rep said something about it being re-tooled
[08:08:44] <jmcp> Error_404: yes, kinda
[08:08:53] <jmcp> Tpenta: heh
[08:10:24] <Error_404> any news on that?
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[08:31:02] <Error_404> I'll take that as a no
[08:31:03] <Error_404> :)
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[09:12:47] <Error_404> okay, nuts to this crap. I need more ram in this machine something fierce
[09:16:30] <PerterB> something like a rabid mountain sheep? that would be a pretty fierce ram....
[09:17:31] <Error_404> yes, very humorous
[09:17:53] <PerterB> it's the way I tell them
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[09:18:02] <boro> http://www2.sun.de/dc/forms/reg_us_2211_391.jsp
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[09:33:43] <trygvis> how often are the solaris updated released? IOW, when can I expect U5 with zfs root? :)
[09:33:53] <delewis> trygvis, probably U4 or U5.
[09:33:55] <delewis> not anytime soon.
[09:34:11] * delewis tries to imagine the pain of using ZFS on an Ultra 5
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[09:37:52] <trygvis> I read that, but when are they due?
[09:38:01] <trygvis> (U4 was out of the question from what I read)
[09:38:33] <delewis> trygvis, I don't think there's a date on it, yet.
[09:38:40] <delewis> not a public one, anyway.
[09:39:10] <delewis> I wouldn't be surprised if ZFS root didn't arrive until Solaris 11, as the installer will be re-done anyway, from what I understand.
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[09:40:26] <delewis> they're going for some sort of Ubuntu-like install process, according to Dave Miner.
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[09:41:02] <delewis> I imagine the Solaris 11 install requirements will be quite... controversial.
[09:42:27] <trygvis> :)
[09:42:36] <Triskelios> my personal NFS server is a U5
[09:42:52] <cyl2> I can't wait until the installer is redone right now you can't do much unless you jumpstart
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[09:42:56] <trygvis> Triskelios: :P
[09:43:29] <delewis> cyl2, most people do Jumpstart, anyway, so that isn't really much of a concern for the majority of Solaris veterans.
[09:43:40] <delewis> I guess Sun wants to capitalize upon those who have yet to become veterans.
[09:43:50] <cyl2> delewis: yes, I haven't setup a jumpstart server yet
[09:43:55] <cyl2> I really should
[09:44:04] <delewis> two commands to boot a system off of jumpstart
[09:44:14] <delewis> on the server-side
[09:44:23] <delewis> ./setup_install_server <install location of media>
[09:44:26] <delewis> ./add_install_client
[09:44:45] <delewis> things get a bit more complicated if you want to do "custom" Jumpstarts.
[09:45:15] <delewis> but that isn't really necessary unless you're doing mass deployments.
[09:45:25] <cyl2> I hope to be someday :D
[09:47:19] <cyl2> crossbow is what I really need
[09:49:08] <boro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8jtvW5Zm4U
[09:49:59] <jmcp> delewis: did you see Lori's email this morning? s10u5 is their current target - a few more dependencies around than were anticipated at the start of the project
[09:50:43] <delewis> jmcp, nope, I missed it, but nice, anyhow. :-)
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[09:52:03] <jmcp> somebody suggested that if there are non-AI-consolidation bits available that they be made available to the community for testing/playing etc
[09:52:08] <jmcp> dunno whether that'll happen though
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[09:55:54] <cyl2> ok any networking gurus here :D
[09:56:05] <cyl2> I need to do some source ipfing
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[10:20:53] <Berny> morning
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[10:43:00] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:45:53] <Berny> hmm, anyone got any idea why acroread 7 segfaults the first time i run it and works at the second try?
[10:46:12] <jmcp> Berny: pstack core
[10:46:29] <Berny> core 'core' of 9657:    /opt/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Reader/sparcsolaris/bin/acroread
[10:46:30] <Berny>  00cb9c94 ???????? (0, 0, 138ca10, fddc2000, 4, 4)
[10:46:30] <Berny>  00dae924 ???????? (0, fdfecbc0, a7b54, fdf407b0, fddc0100, fddc0140)
[10:46:30] <Berny>  0055a630 ???????? (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0)
[10:46:41] <jmcp> crud
[10:46:42] <Berny> .oO(i see numbers...)
[10:46:53] <Berny> i truss'd it:
[10:46:56] <Berny> sysconfig(_CONFIG_STACK_PROT)                   = 3
[10:46:56] <Berny> sigfillset(0xFDFEFB20)                          = 0
[10:46:56] <Berny>     Incurred fault #6, FLTBOUNDS  %pc = 0x00CB9C94
[10:46:56] <Berny>       siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x00000000
[10:46:57] <Berny>     Received signal #11, SIGSEGV [default]
[10:46:58] <Berny>       siginfo: SIGSEGV SEGV_MAPERR addr=0x00000000
[10:47:01] <jmcp> heh
[10:47:04] <Berny> are the last lines
[10:47:04] <trygvis> dude, paste on rafb.net/paste
[10:47:07] <jmcp> how about dtruss instead?
[10:47:20] <Berny> whats dtruss?
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[10:49:08] <delewis> Berny, change your theme.
[10:49:19] <delewis> to something other than the default
[10:49:24] <delewis> Crux, etc.
[10:49:43] <jmcp> Berny: check out Brendang's dtrace toolkit
[10:49:50] <delewis> this is a known problem
[10:50:44] <Berny> delewis: this also happens for other users who use a linux box
[10:51:53] <Berny> delewis: AND it doesn't happen if i run it on another sol10 box (with display set to same local box)
[10:52:05] <Berny> both servers are patched the same way
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[10:58:38] <Berny> delewis: where is that issue documented?
[10:58:57] <delewis> Berny, it's only an issue if you're running a fairly recent version of Solaris Express
[10:59:07] <delewis> you're case seems to be another problem
[10:59:10] <delewis> your, rather
[10:59:54] <Berny> seems to be :-\
[11:00:06] <cyl2> so does live upgrade work with zones now if I'm running solaris b50+
[11:00:11] <Berny> the linux boxes still run jds 2
[11:03:26] <Triskelios> we should get a pastebot here (IRC pastebin integration rocks)
[11:03:27] <Berny> where does one find brandang's dtrace toolkit?
[11:05:18] <cyl2> http://www.brendangregg.com/
[11:05:43] <Berny> cheers
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[11:10:29] <Snake007uk> morning
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[11:15:24] <logic> cyl2: according to this "http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006112101/" it would be possible to upgrade
[11:15:32] <logic> cyl2: but i havent tried it yet
[11:15:37] <cyl2> I'm afraid to
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[11:37:48] <kimc> morning
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[12:05:50] <delewis> : ra(0,1)vmunix
[12:05:50] <delewis> ra0: unlabeled
[12:05:50] <delewis> 326312+104440+130352 start 0x23b8
[12:05:50] <delewis> 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #3: Sat Feb 14 20:31:03 PST 2004
[12:05:50] <delewis>     root at luthien dot Harhan.ORG:/nbsd/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
[12:05:53] <delewis> sweet :-)
[12:06:23] <delewis> microVAXen emulation courtesy of simh
[12:06:35] <delewis> anyone up for an OpenSolaris port to VAX? *ducks*
[12:06:44] * Triskelios has real microVAXes
[12:07:54] <Berny> running vaxes or just deco?
[12:08:24] <delewis> Triskelios, you should grab the BSD Quasijarus 4.3 tape and put them to use :-)
[12:08:27] <rydis> I've gotten rid of my VS2000, the slowest VAX ever. :)
[12:09:25] <Triskelios> Berny: they work fine, but all they do is wonder where the rest of their cluster is
[12:10:00] * quasi is very close to putting delewis on /ignore - vax should be museum pieces only
[12:10:20] <delewis> quasi, :-)
[12:10:45] * bengtf has a lot pdp-stuff which is much better than vax-stuff ;)
[12:10:48] <quasi> not to mention that Quasijarus triggers my nick highlighting
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[12:11:01] <Triskelios> delewis: considering finding something I can install off CD... we have DLT drives but no tapes
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[12:11:42] <bengtf> rydis: har cd:ar till dig
[12:12:26] <trygvis> jaggu
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[13:49:32] <delewis> heh. nautilus-2.16.1 is a *huge* improvement.
[13:49:37] <delewis> no more drag-and-crash.
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[14:30:04] <sgnut> I have a binary file that with ldd reports: libskgxp10.so => (file not found) but in LD_LIBRARY_PATH I have set the path where the file libskgxp10.so exists
[14:30:21] <sgnut> when I try to execute the binary file it fails reporting that can't load the library libskgxp10.so
[14:30:28] <sgnut> any idea?
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[14:36:55] <sgnut> mmm ldd -s binary reports a "insecure directory name" anyone knows what that means?
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[14:44:50] <Cyrille> I think it means a directory which is not considered acceptable for containing executable style files (such as shared objects), see man crle.
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[14:47:33] <sgnut> Cyrille: yes... Im manreading it :D
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[15:30:49] <hile_> don't tell me you're still awake, mcbofh
[15:31:14] <boro> http://www.vox.de/flash/game.html
[15:32:04] <McBofh> hile_: just got back from dinner a short while ago
[15:32:12] <McBofh> so yeah, still awake
[15:32:22] <McBofh> playing with zh_* locale input methods with gnome :)
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[15:35:58] <leal> Anybody from ZFS team?
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[15:36:43] <McBofh> leal: here and now? possibly, possibly not
[15:36:52] <McBofh> ask a question and you might get an answer that's helpful
[15:37:42] <leal> look the iostat on a ZFS mirror:  mypool 830M 147G 0 0 0 0
[15:38:15] <leal> mypool 830M 147G 0 51K 0 858K
[15:39:00] <McBofh> and?
[15:39:05] <McBofh> what is the concern / question?
[15:39:43] <leal> 50 operations? 858K in a 3 seconds interval??
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[15:40:23] <leal> 800M in almost 1 hour?? I did a test from my desk right know (another net), and got 500M in a couple of minutes.
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[15:41:02] <sommerfeld> leal: can you be more specific about what you were doing and what you were expecting?
[15:41:07] <McBofh> why do you expect a ZFS filesystem to behave the same was any other fs?
[15:41:07] <leal> the average is 300K and 50 operations ...
[15:41:33] <leal> i do not expect the same, i expect something useful.
[15:42:34] <boro> so u think it's a lot
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[15:42:38] <sommerfeld> leal: check the column headers.
[15:42:53] <leal> more than 1 hour, a gigabit network, and less than 1G have been transfer..
[15:43:02] <McBofh> leal: check the column headers
[15:43:20] <sommerfeld> what exactly are you doing?
[15:43:33] <sommerfeld> you say "a test" , but what precisely is the test?
[15:43:34] <leal> rsync from a linux machine.
[15:44:03] <sommerfeld> what is the precise rsync command line?
[15:44:10] <leal> no, i did say that i make a test with "my desktop"... the test was doing the same rsync from my desk.
[15:44:52] <leal> and i got 500M in a few minutes.
[15:44:56] <sommerfeld> we may be able to help you improve performance but not if you don't tell us precisely what you're doing.
[15:45:04] <McBofh> leal: so you are assuming that the "858K" is "858Kb written to disk", correct?
[15:45:31] <sommerfeld> that's 858K *per second* over the iostat interval
[15:45:54] <leal> no, i'm assuming that i have 13G to be transfer, and now, after one hour, i have 901M.
[15:46:24] <leal> and 50 operations (write), average... in 3 seconds.
[15:46:37] <leal> that is my concern.
[15:46:51] <leal> it will take a day!
[15:46:52] <sommerfeld> no, that would be 50 operations per second
[15:47:15] <McBofh> and 858Kb written in the second that you took the performance snapshot
[15:47:18] <leal> but i put a 3 seconds interval in iostat command.
[15:47:24] <McBofh> ok, so 3 seconds
[15:47:47] <McBofh> leal: run "zpool iostat 1" for 5 minutes while your test is proceeding, and see what is different
[15:48:12] <McBofh> ALSO, have a look at the architectural docs on opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs and see why ZFS is different.
[15:48:27] <sommerfeld> iostat and zpool iostat gives you ops/second and bytes/second rates, not absolute event counts.
[15:48:57] <sommerfeld> ZFS uses larger file blocksizes and allocates blocks whenever rewriting so it will tend to issue fewer write operations than other filesystems.
[15:49:14] <leal> 5 zeros and 1 (112, 134, 135).
[15:49:38] <leal> 304K, 535K, 561K...
[15:49:43] <leal> understand?
[15:50:05] <sommerfeld> leal: you are still not giving us enough information about your configuration.
[15:50:24] <sommerfeld> is the solaris system a SPARC system or an x86 system?
[15:50:31] <leal> sommerfeld: maybe you are not asking. What do you wan to know???
[15:50:42] <sommerfeld>  what is the precise rsync command line?
[15:51:00] <leal> It is a solaris 10 system.
[15:51:02] <sommerfeld> what exactly are you doing?
[15:51:35] <sommerfeld> what is the output of "uname -a" on the solaris system?
[15:51:37] <leal> i'm doing a rsync??? do you know what is a RSYNC?????
[15:51:46] <McBofh> leal: you told us you are doing an rsync
[15:51:48] <leal> FROM A LINUX MACHINE TO MY SOLARIS BOX.
[15:51:50] <sommerfeld> yes.  i use it all the time.  what is the exact command line you're using?
[15:52:01] <McBofh> 01:45 <leal> rsync from a linux machine.
[15:52:02] <sommerfeld> what rsync options, etc., etc.,
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[15:52:13] <sommerfeld> there are many ways you could be doing it
[15:52:14] <leal> sommerfeld: what the command line??? oh...
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[15:52:42] <sommerfeld> is the destionation host:/path.. or are you rsync'ing to an NFS-mounted path?
[15:52:49] <Snake007uk> lol
[15:52:55] <leal> 942M... terrible.
[15:53:10] <leal> no, its not NFS.
[15:53:18] <Snake007uk> McBofh, sommerfeld kudos to your patience
[15:53:24] <sommerfeld> ok.  what is the output of "uname -a" on the solaris sytems?
[15:53:31] <McBofh> Snake007uk: :) ... thankyou
[15:54:01] * Snake007uk watches carefully, and places a bet on how long they can keep this up
[15:54:03] <leal> i did tell you. i have done a test with the same command from my desktop (another net, 10Mb), and took a couple of minutes to write 500M
[15:54:39] <sommerfeld> i have not seen anything in this channel which looks like the output of the "uname -a" command
[15:54:40] <Snake007uk> leal, and now its taking longer?
[15:54:56] <leal> if i did not stop it, i would make a "filesystem full" on my desk, and the rsync on the solaris box are still running.
[15:55:08] <sommerfeld> is the solaris system a SPARC system or an x86 system?
[15:55:15] <Snake007uk> leal, maybe a network issue? maybe a duplex issue, main a negotiating issue,
[15:55:18] <leal> my desktop is a linux machine.
[15:55:48] <sommerfeld> there is a bug in certain device drivers for IDE-based sparc systems which makes ZFS very slow.
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[15:56:02] <sommerfeld> but you haven't given me enough information to tell if this could be what's happening.
[15:56:03] <leal> No, no, no.... its a gigabit network. running just fine.
[15:56:28] <coffman> oxyy
[15:56:31] <leal> sommerfeld: ok, something pertinent.
[15:56:33] <Snake007uk> leal,  because its gigabit it should be fine ?? that means there couldnt be an issue ?? LOL
[15:57:19] <sommerfeld> ZFS enables the write cache on disks and issues "write flush" commands at appropriate points to assure that data isn't lost on power outages.
[15:57:32] <leal> Snake007uk: no, could be an issue.. but there are more 5 machines working just fine. would need to be a coincidence.
[15:58:03] <Snake007uk> i never said it could only be the network, duplex also exists ont he SERVER/workstation?? seting up correct duplex etc.. on the box
[15:58:18] <sommerfeld> i believe rsync invokes fsync(2) a lot, which will result in lots of write flush commands going to the driver.  and the driver bug on *certain* sparc systems causes those flushes to take a long time.
[15:58:32] <sommerfeld> and tie up the cpu buzzlooping while those flushes are in progress.
[15:58:39] <leal> sommerfeld: i will start the same command on a ufs filesystem on that machine, and another using a raid0 (symetrix) discs.
[15:58:40] <lasseoe> sommerfeld: only IDE-based ?
[15:58:57] <leal> will see the results, and will tell you.
[15:59:31] <leal> it's a x86 box (xeon HT) mono. intel.
[15:59:32] <sommerfeld> lasseoe: certain FC-based raid subsystems also handle the cache flush inefficiently
[15:59:48] <lasseoe> somemrfeld: hm interesting.. T3's by any chance?
[16:00:23] <leal> 990M... oh..
[16:00:29] <sommerfeld> not sure about the T3.  I recall some traffic on zfs-discuss about apple Xraids not coping with the number of write cache flushes zfs issues
[16:00:59] <sommerfeld> I have some T3's but I have UFS on them
[16:01:00] <lasseoe> sommerfeld: ok - I've seen similar issues to what leal is, poorly, describing
[16:01:19] <lasseoe> but that was mainly writing on NFS shares
[16:01:50] <PerterB> the same issue used to bite me with rsync too on an X1
[16:02:04] <sommerfeld> right, the X1 is one of the IDE-based sparcs.
[16:02:13] <PerterB> (talking of which, looks like there is a final fix for 6421427 now)
[16:02:23] <lasseoe> PerterB: how did the X1 cope with ZFS? I've done some tests on smaller systems and they all got bogged down badly when writing to ZFS
[16:02:26] <mbadaro> is there a tool to download the image to a diskless thin client?
[16:02:52] <PerterB> lasseoe: it's perfectly fine with the fix for 6421427, and largely unusable without
[16:02:55] <sommerfeld> 6421427 netra x1 slagged by NFS over ZFS leading to long spins in the ATA driver code
[16:03:09] <sommerfeld> applies to any ATA/IDE-based sparc.
[16:03:16] <lasseoe> PerterB: uh.. I'll have a look at that
[16:03:24] <lasseoe> PerterB: how much ram did it have ?
[16:03:29] <PerterB> caveat: I have an intermediate fix applied which they later pulled because it broke Ultra 10's, I haven't tried the final one
[16:03:40] <sommerfeld> lasseoe: amount of memory doesn't matter.
[16:03:50] * PerterB agrees with sommerfeld
[16:04:03] <PerterB> well, anything > 512
[16:04:25] <lasseoe> uhm ok.. thing is my U10 has 512MB and I'd like to use it as a ZFS fileserver for the time being
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[16:04:30] <sommerfeld> every time someone does an fsync() or the NFS equivalent, the driver goes nuts and buzzloops waiting synchronously for a device register bit to flip.
[16:04:34] <lasseoe> but I guess that's outof the question for a little while yet :)
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[16:05:49] <PerterB> lasseoe: no, I think that's perfectly achievable now...
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[16:06:18] <PerterB> I use mine as a jumpstart server as well as an rsync/snapshot backup server
[16:06:43] <lasseoe> PerterB: cool I'll have a look at that as soon as I have time...
[16:06:59] <lasseoe> PerterB: do you know as of which snv it was fixed?
[16:07:14] <PerterB> 52 according to the bug report
[16:07:27] <lasseoe> ah yes, just seen that
[16:07:30] <lasseoe> thanks :)
[16:07:46] <sommerfeld> yup, snv_52
[16:07:55] <PerterB> it's also marked 10 Fix delivered, which I assume means what it sounds like
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[16:08:02] <lasseoe> Fantastic
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[16:08:12] <lasseoe> I can finally put my old boxes to use :)
[16:08:35] <mbadaro> netboot requires that you download the kernel at least to a local RAM disk?
[16:08:40] <sommerfeld> "Fix delivered" means that it appears in a specific numbered biweekly build
[16:08:58] <PerterB> ah, not that it's in an imminent patch?
[16:09:01] <sommerfeld> ("Fix available" means that it's in the source tree)
[16:09:18] <leal> 5 minutes, rsync in a UFS filesystem, and just 20M.
[16:09:37] <sommerfeld> "fix delivered" to nevada.  there's a separate sub-cr for backports.  let me check..
[16:09:56] <sommerfeld> the backport is "fix in progress"
[16:10:03] <leal> i did start a rsync from my desk again... less than 1 minute ago, and 266M
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[16:11:38] <lasseoe> sommerfeld: hm.. do think this could affect USB 2.0 harddrives as well ?
[16:11:44] <leal> my desk has already transfered 500M... and the solaris UFS stays in 21M.
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[16:13:57] <sommerfeld> lasseoe: the most significant difference between ZFS and other solaris filesystems from a device standpoint is that ZFS sends lots of "flush write cache" commands and other filesystems hardly send any.
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[16:15:23] <leal> So, ZFS can't be used in production anyway?
[16:15:37] <sommerfeld> as a general rule, code which is not tested does not work.  so zfs has been shaking out performance and other bugs in how drivers and devices handle write cache flush
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[16:15:53] <sommerfeld> leal: many people are using it in production.
[16:16:00] <lasseoe> sommerfeld: hm
[16:16:05] <sommerfeld> leal: and are quite happy with it.
[16:16:31] <hile_> since 6/06 it's been in production.
[16:16:42] <PerterB> I thought zfs also disabled write caching altogether when it didn't own the whole disk... which makes me wonder why I hit 6421427 on the x1's where zfs shares a disk with root and swap slices
[16:16:47] <sommerfeld> for some of us, it's been in production for longer than that.
[16:17:02] <sommerfeld> PerterB: it still issues the write cache flushes even if it didn't enable write caching.
[16:17:03] <hile_> I don't use it (neither does my employer), but i know of a lot of people who use it ALOT.
[16:17:08] <hile_> bill: you're also internal
[16:17:12] <PerterB> seems overkill...
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[16:17:33] <sommerfeld> PerterB: say that after you've experienced data loss :-)
[16:17:43] <PerterB> :)
[16:17:49] <sommerfeld> you could still administratively enable the write cache
[16:19:13] <PerterB> having seen what disk firmware writers are capable of, I'm happy for zfs to be conservative.... I was just thinking out loud really
[16:19:54] <leal> sommerfeld: well, one point of ZFS is the "no administration" rule... i mean, will i make a "tunning" to have just one rsync working as normal?
[16:20:24] <PerterB> tunning?
[16:20:43] <lasseoe> I think he means tuning :)
[16:20:56] <leal> I was expecting "performance issues" with NFS, or some particular case... but i am just transfering a regular directory
[16:21:03] <jteo_> firmware. mmm hardware voodoo.
[16:21:37] <PerterB> it's not really a tuning issue, it's a driver bug that isn't exposed by other filesystems
[16:22:07] <lasseoe> did we establish whether or not he's on SPARC or x86 and which disks he's writing to?
[16:22:22] <lasseoe> or was that one of the many many unanswered questions :)
[16:22:23] <leal> SATA disks, (x86)
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[16:22:29] <PerterB> oh sorry, I was still babbling about SPARC uata
[16:23:03] <leal> i did tell you before... look the history. xeon.. blah blah blah
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[16:24:13] <leal> i did the same transfer on a UFS filesystem (symmetrix). I will do (later), a test with a ZFS raid0 with sym discs too.
[16:24:34] <leal> Maybe i get a better performance.
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[16:27:49] <brandini> hello
[16:27:52] <jteo_> wb McBofh
[16:27:56] <McBofh> jteo_: hi
[16:28:08] <McBofh> still playing with the jds input method stuff
[16:28:20] <McBofh> but it's time for sleep for me
[16:28:21] <McBofh> gnite all
[16:28:24] <lasseoe> nite
[16:28:25] <brandini> night
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[16:34:49] <PerterB> leal: totally unscientific comparison, but rsync on 6/06 on a homebrew x86 with SATA, rsyncing from a mirrored SVM slice to a mirrored zpool on the same disks seems OK performance-wise, so it definitely works with some SATA ;)
[16:35:04] <PerterB> a bit slower than the equivalent cpio though
[16:35:18] <brandini> anyone ever install opensolaris in parallels?
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[16:38:37] <Error_404> brandini: I'm certain that someone's done it
[16:38:51] <brandini> :)
[16:39:39] <Error_404> I've seen screenshots and everything
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[17:02:51] <eboutilier> brandini: Doing a google search bound to site:blogs.sun.com turns up these bloggers who write about parallels and opensolaris...
[17:03:32] * timeless wonders if anyone has considered porting mdb to another platform
[17:04:20] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/ldcubed/
[17:04:21] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/simons/
[17:04:21] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/hippie/
[17:04:21] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/nilsn/
[17:04:21] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/martin/
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[17:10:02] <brandini> :)
[17:14:00] <cmihai> Well, you don't see that every day.
[17:14:07] <cmihai> And by THAT I mean brandini.
[17:14:13] <brandini> cmihai!!
[17:14:18] <cmihai> No shit :)
[17:14:43] <jengelh> chimai.
[17:14:49] <cmihai> Weren't you supposed to be dead or something?
[17:15:03] <brandini> could be!
[17:16:29] <leal> OK, it's working with a symmetrix disc! (raid0).
[17:16:45] <leal> the problems seems to be on SATA discs, or the mirror.
[17:17:28] <leal> ok, that is what i was talking about... the performance is excelent!
[17:20:09] <cmihai> brandini: so, what is it with you an Solaris anyway? :)
[17:20:41] <brandini> looking at zfs
[17:22:53] <sommerfeld> leal: based on what i've heard from others, the mirror isn't the problem.
[17:23:09] <sommerfeld> it's got to be something not happy with your SATA disks or controller
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[17:24:08] <leal> sommerfeld: So, the problem seems to be the SATA. I will look the "model" to tell you.
[17:26:12] <leal> sommefeld: the new rsync had transfered 2.3G already... and the SATA is about 10M per hour. :))
[17:27:42] <sommerfeld> could be anything between the solaris driver for that controller and the drive firmware.
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[17:31:47] <leal> sommerfeld: i did see some performance problems with linux, but enabling DMA was sufficient...
[17:32:58] <leal> sommerfeld: In solaris x86 FAQ, there is tuning parms to IDE discs... i don't know if some tuning in Solaris kernel would fix it..
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[17:45:58] <leal> sommerfeld: Do you know how can i inform the developers about the problem? What informations i must gather?
[17:47:40] <sommerfeld> best place to start would be zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org
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[17:48:57] <sommerfeld> you'll want to dig up as much as you can about what particular disk models, SATA controller chipset, motherboard make & model number (especially if you're using the SATA controller on your motherboard); software version and any relevant patches installed,
[17:50:43] <leal> sommerfeld: i will try to dig up the tools to answer that questions first. :) thanks.
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[17:53:01] <gdamore> hi *
[17:53:29] <jteo> gdamore, hello.
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[18:09:06] <jteo> morn stevel
[18:09:13] <stevel> morning jteo
[18:14:49] <razrX> i'd like to start using lu on a 1-disk system. the s10 6/06 interactive installer is presenting me with the disk partitioning. should i choose for a pri-dos slice if i want to reserve that space for lu to work with?
[18:15:17] <razrX> or should that be a solaris partition?
[18:16:11] <razrX> let's say i want to give lu a 10 gb slice
[18:18:23] <razrX> so i mean, decrease the amount of storage a custom install is presenting me for the / , swap and /export/home slices by default and use that claimed space in either a solaris partition or a pri-dos partition?
[18:18:26] <sommerfeld> lu needs an extra solaris slice.
[18:18:35] <sommerfeld> shrink /export/home
[18:18:49] <razrX> will lu work with zfs version 2 of 6/06 ?
[18:18:57] <coffman> lu?
[18:19:00] <sommerfeld> live upgrade
[18:19:04] <coffman> ah
[18:19:23] <coffman> for what export?
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[18:19:45] <coffman> i would do 1 for root / 1 for lu / 1 for zfs
[18:20:32] <sommerfeld> razrX: depends on what you mean by "work".   live upgrade and upgrade and install can't cope with putting packages into zfs filesystems or putting BE's into zfs
[18:20:54] <sommerfeld> but if you have system software in ufs, user data in zfs it works pretty well
[18:21:31] <razrX> sommerfeld: that's the exact idea. only /export/home will become zfs (with autofs disabled) i think
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[18:22:40] <razrX> i've never touched the lu stuff before and tomorrow i have a chance to put a fresh s10 install on a 1-disk system
[18:24:06] <razrX> so i'd like to go for the custom install, go with / and swap , either shrink /export/home and convert it into zfs afterwards and create a 2nd solaris partition for lu
[18:24:14] <razrX> so that would work for me then?
[18:25:30] <sommerfeld> that's exactly what i'd recommend to anyone installing a new 1-disk system
[18:25:39] <razrX> and the size of the solaris partition for lu needs to be equal or bigger than the default / slice to create the new BE
[18:25:45] <razrX> kk, ty
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[18:26:21] <coffman> razrX: i also makes sense to put opt on zfs
[18:26:36] <razrX> but lu won't play nice with zones yet correct? only with snv_53 (the zulu bits) and upwards ?
[18:27:03] <sommerfeld> razrX: yes.
[18:27:10] <razrX> kk
[18:27:49] <razrX> coffman: how would one go about that ? (turning /opt into a zfs filesystem)
[18:29:00] <razrX> since sommerfeld mentioned that lu  can't cope with putting packages into zfs filesystems
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[18:30:59] <coffman> razrX:  zfs create zfs/opt, mv /opt/* /zfs/opt, rm -r /opt, zfs set mountpoint=/opt zfs/opt
[18:31:03] <coffman> like this :)
[18:31:22] <razrX> i'll decide tomorrow what the disk layout is gonna look like.
[18:31:40] <razrX> ah, makes sense to update the mountpoint
[18:31:59] <razrX> ty both, i'll be away now for dinner but will try it out tomorrow
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[18:44:57] <leal> There is no confirmation for zfs/zpool destroy command? and there is a way back?
[18:45:08] <sickness> i'm back, I just bought a ducati :P
[18:45:33] <cypromis> niiiiiice
[18:45:48] <cypromis> I have to give my borrowed Alpina B10 back tomorrow
[18:45:51] <cypromis> makes me sick
[18:47:11] <cypromis> *sigh*
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[18:50:00] <stevel> richlowe: can you try cloning scm-migration/ongk again?
[18:51:43] <leal> sommerfeld: i have destroyed the mirror pool, and did create a raid0... and...
[18:52:03] <leal> it's working just fine....
[18:52:46] <leal> sommerfeld: i will remake that pool with raid1 again, and will see if the performance go slow again...
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[19:03:23] <FlaTLyneR> Hi Guys!
[19:03:35] <FlaTLyneR> Anyone around from yesterdays conversation?
[19:04:01] <Auralis> yes
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[19:06:34] <leal> Hello! Sorry but i need to say...
[19:06:59] <leal> I was talking with some guys about a performance problem with rsync on a mirrored zfs filesystem.
[19:07:15] <leal> But the real problem was the terminal.
[19:07:19] <FlaTLyneR> HI Auralis
[19:07:36] <FlaTLyneR> There is hope!
[19:07:54] <FlaTLyneR> I found a screen shot of the geometry of my drive
[19:07:59] <FlaTLyneR> from 2 years ago
[19:08:04] <FlaTLyneR> it hasn't changed
[19:08:05] <Auralis> FlaTLyneR: great
[19:08:17] <FlaTLyneR> I have the start and end clyinders for every partition
[19:08:22] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: did you manage to recover your data>?
[19:08:34] <FlaTLyneR> I'm going back to work to try now in 30 minutes
[19:08:37] <cmihai> Cool
[19:08:45] <FlaTLyneR> I guess i should
[19:08:46] <FlaTLyneR> ....
[19:08:49] <FlaTLyneR> fdisk
[19:08:59] <cmihai> Well, like I said, it worked for me just knowing the geometry && co
[19:08:59] <FlaTLyneR> and just set the slice start and end points and then reboot?
[19:09:08] <leal> I did the first rsync "inside" a XDMCP session (JDS). and that slow down the things. can you believe that?
[19:09:08] <cmihai> didn't even rebot.
[19:09:13] <FlaTLyneR> or do i need to anything special?
[19:09:17] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah sorry
[19:09:20] <cmihai> Repartitioned/labeled && mounted.
[19:09:22] <FlaTLyneR> i don;t need to reboot, this is a data drive
[19:09:32] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah so in fdisk terms
[19:09:40] <FlaTLyneR> i should type 'pa'
[19:09:46] <FlaTLyneR> go through each slice in turn
[19:09:51] <FlaTLyneR> and set the start and end points
[19:10:01] <FlaTLyneR> and then go back and type label?
[19:10:04] <cmihai> Basically, I had all the old values I used in a serial console scrollback buffer
[19:10:09] <cmihai> So I used everything IDENTICALLY
[19:10:15] <FlaTLyneR> yes, thats what i have
[19:10:20] <cmihai> Cool :D
[19:10:23] <FlaTLyneR> exact cylinder points
[19:10:25] <FlaTLyneR> ;-)
[19:10:34] <FlaTLyneR> So, maybe or maybe not , i'll get the data back
[19:10:49] <FlaTLyneR> but who cares, everyone thinks it going back to Nov 12th anyway!
[19:10:50] <cmihai> Your mileage may vary. This was, after all, OpenBSD.
[19:11:10] <cmihai> Anyone remember yesterday's "migrate /opt" discussion we had here? :))
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[19:11:33] <FlaTLyneR> It must have been befreo i came on
[19:11:42] <Auralis> cmihai: yes
[19:12:04] <FlaTLyneR> Actually get this....
[19:12:13] <cmihai> Well, I'm in a pretty weird position. I need to resize a /opt on a HP-UX with VxVM/VxFS.
[19:12:27] <cmihai> And I recently realised it's Veritas license doesn't allow vxresize ;\
[19:12:32] <FlaTLyneR> hmmm
[19:12:49] <cmihai> And I can't find the Veritas license, or anything about it on the HP accounts or anything.
[19:12:51] <FlaTLyneR> Can you link off some of the large data to another partition?
[19:13:05] <FlaTLyneR> to free up some space on /opt?
[19:13:09] <cmihai> Not an option. Actually, I was giving advice to someone here on something similar yestarday.
[19:13:15] <cmihai> Symlinks are not a good idea.
[19:13:46] <FlaTLyneR> hmmm
[19:13:47] <cmihai> Anyway... I can't take a fbackup / dump / whatever backup either, since I can't umount the /opt anyway (since.. well, I'm using it)
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[19:13:54] <cmihai> It's remote.
[19:14:08] <FlaTLyneR> oh
[19:14:19] <cmihai> So, basically, I'm looking for a way to shrink /tmp, grow /opt.
[19:14:34] * FlaTLyneR is out of his league
[19:14:43] <cmihai> Now I have 2 options: 1. vxresize && friends. But that's been taken out of the picture (relying on Veritas actually...).
[19:14:46] <FlaTLyneR> I wish i could help on that
[19:15:26] <FlaTLyneR> cmihai : There is a 100 Man Unix Team in Canada for my company
[19:15:31] <cmihai> Or to reboot, not mount the drives at boot and make it run a script that does this automagically and reboots... but I'd have to use a lot of magick and expects.
[19:15:33] <FlaTLyneR> I could ask?
[19:16:11] <FlaTLyneR> They manage all of the servers for like 40 countries
[19:16:20] <cmihai> Neh, I think I'll have someone there wake up the serial console.
[19:16:42] <cmihai> I had a serial console connected to it (acting as a KVM) but the damn thing went to sleep :)
[19:16:57] <FlaTLyneR> They helped me in teh intial stage with my problem, They were the people who told me to come on here ;-)
[19:17:06] <leal> hey guys, how can a terminal slow down a process?
[19:17:16] <FlaTLyneR> I guess i'll get back to worktry and recover this data
[19:17:21] <FlaTLyneR> see you guys later!
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[19:17:58] <cmihai> Ok, bye
[19:18:06] <cmihai> Good luck with your recovery.
[19:18:14] <cmihai> Hope you have your disk snapshot just in case :)
[19:19:59] <FlaTLyneR> yeh
[19:20:02] <FlaTLyneR> i got one
[19:20:37] <richlowe> stevel: clone worked now, thanks.
[19:20:47] <stevel> 'k. thanks
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[19:31:33] <moazamraja> re
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[20:25:54] <twincest> my ssh session died while a patch was halfway through installing.  how can i tell if it installed properly?  (will showrev do?)
[20:26:17] <cmihai> You should always do this sort of thing in screen :)
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[20:26:42] <richlowe> s/in screen/on the console/
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[20:31:24] <jafari> hello all, how can i enable X11 over TCP on a machine thats running IPFilter and NAT?
[20:34:20] <coffman> twincest: well, long runers over ssh are shity
[20:34:53] <richlowe> patches going wrong while multi-user may well get you a "Don't do that then" from support, too.
[20:35:00] <coffman> u could do some like this : nohup commandxyz &, disown %1, tail -f nohup.out
[20:35:13] <twincest> that's okay.  i don't have support :P
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[20:37:35] <_william_> hi all
[20:38:46] <coffman> twincest: and if ur ssh session died it is not properly installed
[20:40:55] <jafari> anyone ^
[20:41:12] <timeless> screen :)
[20:41:29] <timeless> jafari: use ssh?
[20:42:10] <coffman> nohup!
[20:44:05] <cmihai> 3544 patches installed here 0_o.
[20:44:54] <cmihai> For some reason that strikes me as a huge and impractical number ;\
[20:46:41] <leal> where can i find documentation for pollsys and systeminfo sys calls?
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[20:48:17] <zarathustra> leal: http://www.unix.org/apis.html
[20:48:18] <cmihai> leal try: docs.sun.com, developer manuals && opensolaris -> source code.
[20:48:57] <zarathustra> :O are that native solaris ?
[20:49:02] <zarathustra> sys calls
[20:49:31] <cmihai> God, they're nothing worse than BACKSPACE sending CR ;\.
[20:49:40] <cmihai> Almost fried my system
[20:50:10] <leal> zarathustra: they are in solaris, but without manual page.
[20:50:25] <zarathustra> leal: :O ok
[20:53:21] <richlowe> poll(2) and sysinfo(2)
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[20:53:54] <elektronkind> i'm in ur ssh, killin ur sessionz
[20:54:05] <cmihai> Hello kitty.
[20:54:22] <Error_404> elektronkind, you're so leet...
[20:54:28] <saablover> my opensolaris build 52 installed on my laptop dumps core during boot, can someone give me a hand ?
[20:55:17] <sommerfeld> leal: the syscall trap interface is not a public or stable interface on solaris; it's regarded as an implementation detail.  aka your libc.so.1 and kernel must match.
[21:01:38] <saablover> anyone ?
[21:01:46] <leal> sommerfeld: i'm not intend to use them.. i'm debugging with dtrace, and have saw it. thanks.
[21:02:18] <sommerfeld> just explaining why there aren't man pages.
[21:02:37] <leal> sommerfeld: it seems like the poolsys is the poll system call on solaris 10. is that right?
[21:02:51] <leal> sommerfeld: ok.
[21:02:52] <sommerfeld> pollsys
[21:02:57] <sommerfeld> yes.
[21:03:18] <leal> poolsys is great. :)
[21:04:02] <leal> The prototype is the same?
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[21:06:35] <sommerfeld> pollsys is used to implement both poll(2) and select(2)
[21:07:46] <sommerfeld> pollsys has an additional sigmask parameter
[21:08:00] <twincest> pselect also?
[21:08:36] <sommerfeld> see http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/lib/libc/port/gen/select.c
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[21:10:40] <leal> sommerfeld: Is there a way to know to which file or device one file descriptor points to, with dtrace?
[21:10:55] <movement> hmm, so does b.o.o actually have any new features. it's not clear.
[21:11:08] <richlowe> movement: it shows more information, and no longer lies quite so much.
[21:11:23] <richlowe> the latter, of course, should never have been the case in the first place.
[21:11:24] <movement> Responsible Engineer 	dan.mick at sun dot com
[21:11:25] <movement> whoohoo
[21:11:26] <richlowe> but the former is good to see.
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[21:12:01] <richlowe> movement: if you were meaning "Is it actually usable now?", the answer is still "No"
[21:12:39] <movement> heh, didn't mean that :)
[21:13:01] <sommerfeld> leal: looks like fds[N].fi_pathname will give you the pathname used to open it.
[21:13:04] <movement> funny how it doesn't mangle RE, the one time that mangling is easy and reliable
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[21:14:58] <leal> sommerfeld: ok, but using which provider?
[21:15:15] <richlowe> movement: yeah, don't tell anyone that though.
[21:15:24] <richlowe> movement: because, mangling RE would be pointless.
[21:15:29] <richlowe> (and somewhat offensive)
[21:15:30] <richlowe> but mostly pointless.
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[21:17:13] <sommerfeld> leal: that would be in the action code for any probe.  provider wouldn't matter.
[21:18:29] <movement> richlowe: I'm spam free at work :(
[21:19:32] <richlowe> I don't call that a good reason to make b.o.o worse.
[21:19:43] <richlowe> Though I admit, it's far better than a lot of the existing reasons
[21:20:12] <cmihai> b.o.o? Is that some kind of spam filter?
[21:20:33] <richlowe> In theory, no.
[21:20:37] <movement> richlowe: I don't see why it makes it worse
[21:20:50] <richlowe> movement: I want to get hold of an RE, I do it... how?
[21:20:52] <cmihai> Oh, right, found it.
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[21:21:04] <movement> richlowe: s/ at /@/, s/ dot /./
[21:21:06] <richlowe> movement: right, I ask Steve or Glynn to look for me.
[21:21:17] <movement> I don't want it hidden.
[21:21:18] <richlowe> movement: b.o.o masking is traditionally of the xxxxx at sun dot com form.
[21:21:29] <richlowe> though they recently started using the word 'customer' to amusing effect.
[21:21:34] <movement> right, that's not what I meant.
[21:23:43] <pikapika> hello
[21:25:02] <saablover> is it possible to set brakepoints during the boot ?
[21:25:42] <jbk> is anyone familiar with the nortel contivity vpn client?? we use that to access our corporate network (I believe its just ipsec), and i'm wondering if what's included with the recent nevada builds might be compatible (though I'm not sure where the user/pw stuff would go)
[21:26:43] <cmihai> jbk: I've been meaning to tackle the same issue, but for cisco. Still IPSEC though.
[21:27:07] <jbk> apparently they make a solaris client, however, unlike the windows one, the solaris one costs money
[21:27:24] <cmihai> Though I guess it uses something propriotary for authentification and stuff.
[21:27:28] <jbk> i'd love to be able to vpn in w/ solaris instead of windows though
[21:27:32] <cmihai> jbk: that sucks ;\
[21:27:53] <jbk> yeah, that's what i was thinking, but i'm not familiar with ipsec to really draw any sort of conclusions
[21:28:18] <cmihai> You'll probably need their client or to reverse eng it
[21:28:29] <jbk> especially since it's likely my aircard might work with the drivers that juts got released (i'm gonna test that later)
[21:28:30] <cmihai> Or find some free alternative.
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[21:28:38] <cmihai> I've seen one for the cisco crap for example.
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[21:45:47] <cub> Both machines are plugged into the same 3510.  The FC lights are on at the FC ports on the servers.  I host mapped them both on the 3510.  Only one server can see the 3510 lun in 'format'.  Can someone guide me what to do ?
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[21:47:15] <elektronkind> make sure you're mapping the lun on the correct ports
[21:47:20] <elektronkind> (in the 3510)
[21:48:43] <cub> elektronkind: what's funny is :  when I get inside "sccli", it selects the device /dev/es/ses0  on the machine that doesn't see the 3510. The other one selects  /dev/rdsk/c1t40d0s2
[21:49:01] <cub> does that mean i mapped the wrong port on the 3510 ?
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[21:52:56] <elektronkind> cub: it probably does.
[21:53:33] <elektronkind> I have to say that that telnet UI on the 3510/3511 leaves a little to be desired.
[21:53:52] <elektronkind> sccli can be a little obtuse in its complexity as well
[21:54:47] <elektronkind> I have two 6140's on order. I hope they're a bit better in that regard
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[21:55:44] <cub> hehhh
[21:56:58] <elektronkind> I tend to prefer CLI utilities, but when it comes to complex storage layouts, I tend to prefer a more visual approach... something the 3510/3511 lacks.
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[22:04:33] <elektronkind> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20041214
[22:04:53] <elektronkind> nice to know that my sun sales rep uses a solaris workstation (sun ray, I assume)
[22:05:06] <twincest> that's a rather ancient version of gecko, isn't it?
[22:05:23] <elektronkind> sure is
[22:05:24] <timeless> equivalent to netscape7
[22:05:35] <timeless> iirc
[22:05:50] <elektronkind> netscape 7 probably
[22:05:53] * timeless frowns
[22:05:56] <timeless> 0.6=6.0
[22:06:11] <timeless> 0.9.4.2 ish = 7.0 ?
[22:07:07] <timeless> hrm
[22:07:17] <timeless> 7.01 was a 1.0.0 derivative
[22:08:34] <cmihai> silk: by the way, I managed to grow the volume with vxassist...
[22:08:40] * timeless sighs
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[22:08:47] <timeless> the tags page for mozilla.org doesn't list 7.1
[22:08:56] <cub> elektronkind: do you set mpxio in /kernel/drv/fp.conf  ?
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[22:09:20] <cmihai> And it did reflec the changes in vxprint -g rootdg. Is there a reason it would take forever to reboot? Rebuilding something/etc?
[22:09:21] <cub> if I don't set it, I get a long device name in 'format'
[22:09:28] <cub> i think
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[22:11:57] <timeless> yeah, i'm right
[22:11:57] <timeless> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/client.mk&rev=MOZILLA_1_4_BRANCH
[22:11:57] <timeless> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/client.mk&rev=NETSCAPE_7_1_RELEASE
[22:11:57] <timeless> so it's netscape7.1 equivalent
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[22:16:27] <sommerfeld> timeless: that's plausible.  i think most of the sunray desktops internally are still running s9
[22:18:31] <alanc> doesn't the rv:1.4 suggest it's Mozilla 1.4, which is what Solaris 9 had?    (though I thought most of the s9 sun rays were at least upgraded to mozilla 1.7)
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[22:19:28] <timeless> alanc: at one point sun shipped a version of mozilla which was virtually the netscape flavor
[22:19:38] <timeless> since they had license sharing on aim and spellchecker
[22:19:54] <timeless> it's been a while since i had involvement w/ sun
[22:20:01] <alanc> Sun shipped Netscape versions up through 7.0 - AOL dropped Solaris support after 7.0
[22:20:24] <timeless> ah
[22:20:41] <alanc> then Sun started shipping Mozilla starting with 1.2.1, then 1.4 & 1.7 - now SX includes FireFox 1.5 (until nv_53 drops with FF 2.0)
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[22:24:30] <alanc> I love the comments in the html on b.o.o pages: <!-- Notice that 'Introduced In' and 'Commit to Fix' currently display the same value.
[22:24:31] <alanc>                     That's because the cron job incorrectly maps 'Introduced In' to 'Commit to Fix'.
[22:24:31] <alanc>                     For now, we use the 'wrong' field for 'Introduced In 'cause it works. When
[22:24:31] <alanc>                     'Commit to Fix' is fixed in the next phase, don't forget to change 'Introduced In'
[22:24:31] <alanc>                     to use the right field. GAR 10-10-06
[22:24:50] <alanc> wonder who the hell GAR is and why he/she is not on website-discuss
[22:24:59] <timeless> heh
[22:25:58] <alanc> and whoever wrote the html generator needs to learn about CSS - not to mention useless use of <font> tags
[22:26:20] <alanc> <!-- Fix this with real data -->
[22:26:21] <Gman_> heh
[22:26:44] <alanc> that's a candidate for quote of the week: "<!-- Fix this with real data -->" - bugs.opensolaris.org HTML code
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[22:27:01] <moazamraja> re
[22:27:05] <richlowe> alanc: tell me about it.
[22:27:08] <Gman_> alanc, gary i'd guess?
[22:27:13] <richlowe> alanc: the XSLT I have to parse that stuff was and is hellish.
[22:27:14] <moazamraja> anyone know when the next SVOSGU meet is?
[22:27:19] <elektronkind> I like to release new features that are actually bugs.
[22:27:22] <richlowe> alanc: and now of course, it's both hellish *and* broken.
[22:27:23] <elektronkind> it builds character
[22:27:30] <alanc> moazamraja: SVOSUG is tomorrow
[22:27:37] <Gman_> alanc, i'll be amused to see the thread after you post that :)
[22:27:42] <moazamraja> oh
[22:27:43] <moazamraja> nevermind
[22:27:45] <moazamraja> :P
[22:27:47] <moazamraja> just saw that
[22:27:49] <moazamraja> alanc_away: th
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[22:27:56] <moazamraja> alanc: thx...even
[22:27:59] <alanc> http://blogs.sun.com/aland/date/20061127 has the SVOSUG announcement
[22:28:50] <alanc> hmm, I was assuming GAR was initials, and the only Gary I can think of who works on opensolaris stuff is Pennigton
[22:29:37] <richlowe> I've seen them before, I think.
[22:29:52] <richlowe> though it may have been while writing that damn XSL :)
[22:30:07] <richlowe> also, why the hell is the State box on b.o.o disabled?
[22:30:15] <jbk> hmm it looks like nortel uses XAUTH (why do they have to reuse abbreviations?) IKE.. which i'm guessing isn't supported by solaris's ipsec implementation
[22:30:56] <richlowe> I suspect sommerfeld, networking-discuss, or security-discuss would be the places to ask.
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[22:33:47] <sommerfeld> solaris ike doesn't support XAUTH
[22:34:14] <jbk> well crap :(
[22:34:19] <jbk> any plans to? :)
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[22:41:22] <Kronuz> hey
[22:41:32] <Kronuz> do Solaris run on Xeon computers too?
[22:41:39] <Kronuz> or just Opteron ?
[22:41:45] <Kronuz> (for x64)
[22:42:32] <Auralis> yes
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[22:42:41] <Kronuz> oh... good
[22:42:52] <Kronuz> but are there any "optimizations" for Opteron?
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[22:43:05] <elektronkind> grrrr
[22:43:06] <elektronkind> # smpatch update
[22:43:06] <elektronkind> Error: Unable to download entitlement information using the update server proxy.
[22:43:06] <elektronkind> Response code was 500
[22:43:09] <Auralis> it works just fine on intel cous
[22:43:47] <AbeFroman> my patch proxy has been broken for awhile.
[22:43:56] <AbeFroman> they need to update the cert info
[22:44:06] <elektronkind> I'm not even *using* a proxy though
[22:44:25] <AbeFroman> oh.
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[22:48:33] <sommerfeld> Kronuz: short answer is yes.  (and things like support for FMA handling of memory system errors, which requires implementation-specific knowledge0
[22:49:00] <Kronuz> agrrh!...
[22:49:09] <Kronuz> I don't know what to get now :S
[22:49:19] <Kronuz> I'm back to where I was a month ago :(
[22:49:28] <Kronuz> (I'll get fired)
[22:52:53] <FlaTLyneR> Hey Guys!
[22:53:04] <FlaTLyneR> ne1 i know around?
[22:53:33] <FlaTLyneR> Re-setup the partition table - to the exact cylinder
[22:53:34] <moazamraja> nope
[22:53:45] <FlaTLyneR> Still gave me a MAGIC NUMBER WRONG when i treied to mount
[22:53:52] <FlaTLyneR> so i guess the data is gone
[22:55:49] <FlaTLyneR> unless anyone can think of a good reason why rebuilding the lost partition table should'nt get me my data back
[22:55:59] <FlaTLyneR> especially when i didn;t touch teh drive
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[22:56:30] <FlaTLyneR> hi fred
[22:56:36] <fred343> hi
[22:57:00] <FlaTLyneR> Can you tell everyone its x86 for me again
[22:57:03] <FlaTLyneR> i forgot
[22:57:08] <fred343> lol
[22:57:14] <FlaTLyneR> ;-)
[22:57:35] <fred343> um, rather, i've got a dual boot question
[22:57:42] <FlaTLyneR> shoot
[22:57:48] <fred343> i mean dual hard drive
[22:57:53] <FlaTLyneR> okey doke
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[22:59:28] <FlaTLyneR> whats up
[22:59:55] <Kronuz> sommerfeld: would you say there are major optimizations that could make solaris perform much better in Opteron systems?
[22:59:55] <fred343> so, when i had ubuntu, i could boot either windows or linux from grub, when i installed solaris, i deleted the ubuntu partition, but now grub sees the windows partition and doesn't do anything when i select it
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[23:00:18] <fred343> i mean windows hard drive
[23:00:59] <cmihai> I wish, I wish I hadn't killed that fish :(
[23:01:31] <cmihai> I managed to resize the volumes with vxassist, but guess what: now it won't boot XD
[23:01:55] <boyd> fred343: You may need to edit your grub menu.lst file (under /boot somewhere) Details will depend on your machine
[23:02:08] <cmihai> So I ssh to the serial console, I see VxFS got b0rked. So I try to size down the partition. Here's the fun part:
[23:02:15] <cmihai> fsadm: You don't have a license to run this program
[23:02:27] <boyd> Welcome to Verita$
[23:02:39] <cmihai> But they let me break it!
[23:02:40] <fred343> boyd:what directory is menu.lst in?
[23:02:43] <cmihai> Why won't they let me FIX IT!
[23:02:52] <cmihai> Bastards
[23:03:06] <fred343> nm
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[23:03:45] <boyd> fred343: I can't recall ATM and I don't have an x86 box handy... it's somewhere under /boot... maybe /boot/grub
[23:04:13] <boyd> cmihai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
[23:04:16] <boyd> :)
[23:04:30] <cmihai> Right ;\
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[23:04:38] <cmihai> Well, I'm fucked. Good thing it was /tmp
[23:05:02] <cmihai> So, anyway, I guess I'll just try to delete it && create a new one. _If_ it lets me :)
[23:05:09] <fred343>  /boot/grub
[23:07:41] <fred343> boyd: ok, here's the (uncommented) part of the file:  http://pastebin.ca/261833
[23:09:00] <boyd> Ok, so you need to make sure that (hd0,0) is actually your windows disk. What happens when you choose that option?
[23:09:34] <fred343> the screen flashes, but nothing happens, and i can still pick solaris
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[23:10:45] <fred343> also when i switch to that hard drive from bios setup, it says something about running grub (which doesn't seem necessary) and freezes with some error message
[23:13:42] <fred343> b4 solaris i could switch to winows from the boot loader or from bios
[23:13:49] <boyd>  What disk does it list for solaris?
[23:14:05] <fred343> i don't understand
[23:14:20] <fred343> oh
[23:14:25] <fred343> hdb i thnk
[23:15:09] <fred343> how do you check
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[23:15:20] <boyd> I mean in the menu.lst
[23:15:46] <boyd> There should be a "title Solaris" section or something
[23:15:57] <fred343> oh, i missed part of the file
[23:15:59] <fred343> let me repost
[23:16:32] <fred343> http://pastebin.ca/261839
[23:18:26] <boyd> Ok, so it's saying that solaris and windows are on the same disk. I don't think that's right
[23:18:44] <boyd> You may have to edit the windows entry to use a different disk
[23:19:03] <boyd> You can try out options by selecting the windows entry at the boot menu and pressing "e"
[23:19:26] <boyd> that will let you edit (temporarily) the entry and see what other disk spec works)
[23:19:29] <boyd> (
[23:19:41] <boyd> That's all I have time for ATM... gotta go
[23:19:46] * boyd works
[23:21:30] <cmihai> I think that fixed it :D
[23:22:01] <cmihai> I just newfs'ed the bastard :]
[23:22:06] <_william_> gn
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[23:36:30] <jbk> any solaris printing gurus around?
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[23:42:16] <cmihai> jbk: you could try just asking your question :)
[23:43:26] <jbk> well i have an app that's generating a PCL file (I can look at it and it appears to contain valid PCL command strings), but it seems when sending to lp, it seems to send it as text
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[23:43:56] <jbk> the printer model is listed in printmgr (hp laserjet 4300)
[23:44:16] <cmihai> Dunno, dtrace it and see what happens.
[23:44:28] <jbk> and i appear to have the ip & port correct, as it's sending the file, just seems perhaps the filters are not doing the right thing
[23:44:41] <cmihai> Oh, this is an IP printer right?
[23:44:48] <cmihai> And tcpdump shows it as text?
[23:45:14] <jbk> well the people where the printer is (at a remote location) are saying this
[23:45:32] <jbk> but i think snoop might not be a bad idea
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[23:46:13] <jbk> unfortuantely, i've never touched printing in solaris before
[23:46:33] <jbk> and most people tend to hiss and make a cross with their fingers when mentioned :)
[23:47:59] <pitty> are there any widgets for java desktop?
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[23:49:43] <jbk> maybe they're just talking about something else and it's really working :)
[23:51:15] <timeless> swift% prstat
[23:51:15] <timeless> zsh: fork failed: resource temporarily unavailable
[23:51:24] <timeless> what did i do wrong? :)
[23:53:06] <richlowe> ended up with way way way too many processes?
[23:53:13] <richlowe> (or perhaps nowhere near enough free VM?)
[23:53:27] <richlowe> modulo any limits, of course.
[23:53:32] <timeless> i had 38g of swap 5mins ago
[23:54:32] <timeless> swift# swap -l
[23:54:32] <timeless> swapfile             dev    swaplo   blocks     free
[23:54:32] <timeless> /dumpfile             -          8  1048568  1048568
[23:54:32] <timeless> /dev/zvol/dsk/root_pool/swap 182,1         8 10485752 10485752
[23:54:32] <timeless> /dev/zvol/dsk/root_pool/swap2 182,2         8 67108856 67108856
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[23:57:13] <timeless> i'm guessing that it won't answer to ssh anymore :(
[23:59:31] <pitty> 1. Place tar ball in incoming directory: < /local/src/unix/local/itg/logic  >
[23:59:32] <pitty> (. adm-s01.jc / adm-s08 / adm-s13 / adm-s14 -> solaris 8 / linux / linux 64bit / Solaris 10 )
[23:59:32] <pitty> 2. gmake update
[23:59:32] <pitty>      tar xvf ../../$app/
[23:59:32] <pitty> 3. gmake build -> changes perm, ownership to be sox complaint
[23:59:33] <pitty>  a) gmake purge -> invokes localdist with -f option
[23:59:34] <pitty> 4. Alt. Method -> gmake install { copies into test area, } ; gmake staging  { copies from test area to staging area }
[23:59:37] <pitty> 5. On adm-s01.ny, go to /var/tmp/swdist_flags/
[23:59:39] <pitty> 1. Create a file "do.rsync.$PROFILE" ie-> do.rsync.INETRES_AS
[23:59:41] <pitty> 2. swdist -p INETRES_AS -f [ if [step 4] was done.
[23:59:43] <pitty> ##
[23:59:44] <fred343> boyd: thanks for your help....i got distracted, but i'll try it out in a minutre
[23:59:45] <pitty> 1. localdist -n -staging -d itg/gate  -> push to the staging area
[23:59:47] <pitty> 2. localdist -h gatenp-s21.ny.itginc.com -d itg/gate
[23:59:49] <pitty> sorry





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