November 28, 2006 
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November 28, 2006 [00:00:04] *** pitty has joined #opensolaris [00:00:20] *** mega has quit IRC [00:00:37] <pitty> hey, any idea the boot archive gets updated during a reboot for x86 ? [00:00:40] <twincest> kronuz: why? [00:01:04] <Kronuz> well, yes and no... 'caus eI would have used a different name too... not /etc [00:01:04] <twincest> pitty: it does but i recommend not trusting 'reboot' to do it even so. run update-archive first [00:01:14] <Kronuz> so I suppose binaries could be called part of etc [00:01:41] <Kronuz> I guess it's too late now to change the /etc name to /conf or something like that... [00:01:46] <Kronuz> ^_^ [00:02:26] <printk> ln -s /etc /conf if it makes u feel better :) [00:02:34] <Kronuz> lol [00:02:50] <Kronuz> printk: and remove the links to binaries in it? [00:02:59] <pitty> hm.. why does it need to update-archive if nothing was modified? [00:03:00] <printk> uhm no [00:03:10] <twincest> pitty: how does it know if anything was modified? [00:03:11] <Kronuz> lol [00:03:24] <twincest> pitty: note that update-archive does nothing if the archive doesn't need to be rebuilt [00:03:40] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [00:03:41] * LeftWing has an update-archive cron job. [00:04:26] <pitty> ah, okay, i was just wondering cuz on some instances it prints that it is updating the archive whilst other times it just reboots without the message [00:04:35] <pitty> thanks for your clarification though [00:06:42] <Kronuz> twincest: if I wanted to change the IP, would I have to just change the hosts file and the hostname.<device> ? [00:06:54] <Kronuz> or something else too? [00:07:07] <Kronuz> is there a utility to do these changes? [00:07:18] <Kronuz> as to for instance make solaris use DHCP instead [00:07:20] <Kronuz> ? [00:07:23] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:07:43] <alanc> sys-unconfig will clear a bunch of system configuration settings and ask for new settings at next reboot, but it's an awfully big hammer that clobbers a lot of settings [00:07:52] <Auralis> sys-unconfig but its a bit radical, man sys-unconfig to see what it does and what you have to chnage by hand [00:07:59] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [00:08:00] <marctt> guys... solaris is installed but it didnt ask me to make a boot floppy [00:08:09] <twincest> a boot floppy? [00:08:10] <marctt> and i cant boot it [00:08:18] <gisburn> heh [00:08:19] <MikeE> bummer, Lori just announced root-zfs slipped to u5... [00:08:25] <alanc> solaris doesn't use boot floppies much anymore [00:08:35] <MikeE> maybe that was old news, but some of us were still hoping for u4 :-( [00:08:40] <alanc> there's a network configuration GUI in the GNOME 2.16 packages [00:08:51] <gisburn> marctt: didn't you know that you need the HXDD disk drives (2.88MB) for that ? :-) -) [00:09:43] <gisburn> marctt: (watch the simleys and then read alanc's comment) [00:09:53] <twincest> alanc: shame, i used to have a system with a DCA floppy in there permanently because it couldn't boot from its hd :) [00:10:26] <alanc> I don't think Solaris can run on any machine old enough to not have bios support for booting from hard disk [00:10:34] <marctt> so what should I do? [00:10:50] <twincest> this was S8 - it could boot from HDs in general, but for some reason i forget, not this one [00:11:10] <dwc-> marctt: did the bootloader get installed on the HD? "i can't boot it" doesn't tell anyone much [00:11:55] <FlaTLyneR> i'm back [00:12:04] <FlaTLyneR> man this sucks [00:12:14] <FlaTLyneR> I make a tiny mistake [00:12:19] <FlaTLyneR> and the whole drive is hosed [00:12:23] <g4lt-U60> is it even possible to boot solaris from floppy anymore? I thought the minimum swap was like 50M [00:12:39] <Kronuz> :) [00:12:40] <Kronuz> http://www.dbaoncall.net/references/ht_change_ip_sun.html [00:12:44] <dwc-> why should swap be required if you have a bunch of memory? [00:12:58] <printk> alanc: so is 2.16 going to be included in 53? [00:13:06] <alanc> it is in 53 [00:13:09] <g4lt-U60> dwc ask the instaler team... [00:13:13] <alanc> running it right now... [00:13:23] <printk> cool [00:13:33] <dwc-> so jumpstart/netboot does network swap? [00:13:38] <alanc> alanc@almas:~ [3:13pm - 106] uname -a [00:13:38] <alanc> SunOS almas 5.11 snv_53 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-2500 [00:13:38] <alanc> alanc@almas:~ [3:13pm - 107] gnome-about --version [00:13:38] <alanc> Gnome gnome-about 2.16.1 [00:14:11] <twincest> hmm, i should reclone onnv [00:14:24] <g4lt-U60> dwc good question, I thought you neede a 50M miniroot [00:14:29] <MikeE> alanc does that also imply JDS4, or is that a separate layer [00:15:01] <alanc> yes, that's the current development build of JDS 4, aka 'vermillion' [00:15:05] <alanc> also includes Firefox 2.0 [00:15:32] <twincest> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/ - option 3 is a broken link [00:15:32] <marctt> so I cant boot it? [00:16:00] <MikeE> alanc cool. how does it feel so far (compared to jds3) a little cleaner? (( I've not been impressed with FFox 2.0 though. leaks like nobody's business on x86 S10)) [00:16:39] <alanc> wonder if firefox is hit by the same libz memory leak that causes evince to bloat up [00:16:49] <gisburn> yes [00:16:54] *** pitty has quit IRC [00:17:05] <gisburn> alanc: mozilla uses libz for the jar stuff, too. [00:17:24] <marctt> so my installation wont work [00:17:25] <MikeE> alanc // problem appears to be that I can restart ffox, but it leaves the bloat in Xsun... if I don't run ffox, no bloat in Xsun... [00:17:26] <alanc> yeah - it seems nice - going to take some getting used to the new look after using JDS3 so long though [00:17:37] <marctt> ? [00:17:50] <alanc> oh, S10 Xsun still has a font memory leak that Mozilla browsers tickle [00:17:52] *** mega_ has quit IRC [00:18:19] <alanc> reminds me I need to file the patch putback paperwork for that... [00:18:46] <MikeE> alanc mozilla seems pretty well behavied... its stinking ffox2 that makes Xsun own 1/2 the memory in the box after 10 minutes... could be a bad compile. I should see it Sun China posted a respin [00:19:25] <alanc> hmm, I've never tried ff2 on S10 [00:19:36] <alanc> and I just got done upgrading my S10 boxes to Nevada [00:20:28] <MikeE> seems to not play nice with Xsun at least in the SunRay space. I've stopped using it for now... I think they've got a little cleanup todo with FF2 still.... [00:20:34] <marctt> alanc: i'm trying a multi-boot utility now [00:20:36] <Kronuz> boy, configuring the network was easy [00:20:54] *** stevel has quit IRC [00:21:17] <marctt> would grub install on an ntfs partition? [00:22:11] <alanc> hmm, Sun Ray - I wonder what OS is installed on our lab Sun Ray server... [00:22:30] <twincest> is glassfish the new version of JES Application Server or is it a completely different thing? [00:23:25] <FlaTLyneR> ok# [00:23:34] <FlaTLyneR> can anyone help me any further with this [00:23:50] <FlaTLyneR> Drive is intact, partition table is hosed, i don;t know the geometry [00:23:52] <FlaTLyneR> help! [00:23:59] <Kronuz> still, I can't change the IP of my box... [00:24:11] <twincest> kronuz: why not? [00:24:29] <Kronuz> I followed the instructions in that website... [00:24:37] <Kronuz> but for some reason I still have the old IP [00:24:43] <Kronuz> (I already rebooted) [00:24:52] <alanc> richlowe: CR 6497737 Created P4 opensolaris/triage-queue JDS installs files with needless executable permission [00:25:37] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:26:05] <MikeE> kronos : post an ifconfig -a ... lets see if there is some funkyness going on there with dhcp/bootp or whatever [00:26:08] <alanc> richlowe: and CR 6497736 Created P4 opensolaris/triage-queue /etc/wgetrc should not be executable [00:26:27] <Kronuz> MikeE: hold on, I just rebooted [00:26:43] <twincest> hm, i preferred the colour scheme of the old b.o.o [00:26:48] <Kronuz> there was a file that still had the old IP listed [00:26:51] <twincest> and this one has a stray --> at the top [00:26:54] <richlowe> alanc: thanks. [00:27:12] <MikeE> kronuz :: also, is /etc/hosts STILL a symlink to /etc/inetd/hosts [00:27:15] <Kronuz> ipnodes [00:27:22] <Kronuz> yep [00:27:24] <MikeE> huh? [00:27:28] <Kronuz> I changed that one [00:27:29] <richlowe> alanc: for what it's worth, I suspect bootrc shouldn't be either, but I'm slightly less sure there. [00:27:37] <Kronuz> ipnoed seems to be the same as hosts [00:27:54] <MikeE> kronuz... close, but NOT the same... [00:27:55] * richlowe somewhat suspects bootrc has no reason to exist, but... [00:28:16] <Kronuz> yeah, it seems that one was the one I was missing [00:28:21] <Kronuz> the IP's changed now [00:28:31] <richlowe> MikeE: In recent builds, ipnodes is a symlink to hosts. [00:28:32] <MikeE> there you go... [00:28:46] <MikeE> richlowe :: thanks for the info, thats news to me. [00:29:05] <Kronuz> (that wasn't listed there in the "instructions" link tho') [00:29:08] <Kronuz> http://www.dbaoncall.net/references/ht_change_ip_sun.html [00:29:09] <MikeE> richlowe last I saw was u3b and it was still "normal" :-) [00:29:12] <Kronuz> is that a new file? [00:29:26] <richlowe> MikeE: 6219146, and PSARC 2006/299 [00:30:00] <MikeE> richlowe :: what does that mean for the nsswitch.conf lines as there was a separate one for hosts and ipnodes? [00:30:47] <richlowe> shouldn't mean much of anything to it. [00:31:42] <MikeE> richlowe: ok.... does that mean you still modify BOTH lines, both the hosts and ipnodes lines, eventhough there is only 1 file now. (since hosts symlinks to ipnodes?) [00:32:16] <MikeE> richlowe (say if you wanted to add dns or other such services as part of you nsswitch.conf) [00:34:27] *** marctt has quit IRC [00:37:50] <Kronuz> MikeE: what should I do if I want to use DHCP instead of a static configuration? [00:38:45] <MikeE> Kronuz, I'm sure there is some google-page somewhere describing that. I hear it works well, but its not something I've done. I just wanted to make sure you weren't running into something like that due to some creativity during the initial OS-load. [00:39:29] <dwc-> empty hostname.interface and dhcp.interface [00:39:38] <dwc-> but you can put parameters in the dhcp one [00:40:19] <tsoome> and make sure your dhcp server will provide the hostname... [00:40:46] <gisburn> which interface stabilty do bash scripts have ? [00:41:07] <gdamore> _none_ bash is not part of any interface. :-) [00:41:07] <MikeE> I don't think the DHCP-thang will work for any local zones right now. [00:41:25] <gisburn> gdamore: grumpf [00:41:29] *** pikapika has quit IRC [00:41:40] <dwc-> they're vaguely compatible with /bin/sh [00:41:48] * gisburn looks at sommerfeld and purrs to get a propper answer... [00:42:19] <gdamore> committed interfaces are the moment are ksh, sh, and csh. scripts that use bash features are not guaranteed to work. [00:42:24] <gisburn> dwc-: I am thinking about the ARC definition of "interface stabilty", not the "may be I guess it could be"-thing... [00:42:25] <richlowe> I would assume bash is External. [00:42:28] <richlowe> but you'd have to see the ARC-fu to know. [00:43:05] <gdamore> bash itself I'm sure is External. but scripts which use #/bin/bash should simply not exist in the WOS. [00:43:29] <gisburn> gdamore: I thought the JDS people use that. [00:43:32] <gdamore> and I doubt, strongly, that ARC has ever agreed to any statement that /bin/bash will necessarily exist in any install [00:43:44] <richlowe> gdamore: Indeed, I assumed he meant what stability the shell was supposed to hold. [00:43:52] <richlowe> otherwise the question makes no sense. [00:44:01] <gdamore> he said "scripts" :-) [00:44:07] <richlowe> Yes, but he didn't specify any. [00:44:12] <gisburn> richlowe: I was thinking about the shell script synatx/format/whetever [00:44:15] <richlowe> which causes the question to be non-sensical, so I took a guess. [00:44:26] <richlowe> gdamore: and I was right, too. :) [00:44:30] <Kronuz> I'm getting an error from sendmail [00:44:31] <alanc> bash scripts should only be in packages that list a dependency on SUNWbash [00:44:31] <Kronuz> "sendmail[289]: My unqualified host name (myhost) unknown;" [00:44:38] <Kronuz> when I boot [00:44:48] <gdamore> the syntax is mostly sh. the sh-compatible bits are probably ARC'd under Standard. (as in POSIX standard. :-) [00:44:54] <sommerfeld> gisburn: your question is not well formed. [00:44:55] <Kronuz> but myhost is there at /etc/hosts and it resolves okay [00:45:03] <Kronuz> what could the problem be? [00:45:09] <gisburn> sommerfeld: uhm [00:45:12] <gdamore> Kronuz: sendmail _only_ looks at DNS. not /etc/hosts [00:45:21] <Kronuz> oh [00:45:23] <gdamore> that's because /etc/hosts cannot resolve MX records. [00:45:25] <gisburn> sommerfeld: I don't have a propper Dtd or XML schema for that... [00:45:28] <tsoome> you must have hostname and hostname.domain [00:45:29] *** smoco has joined #opensolaris [00:45:50] <sommerfeld> gisburn: there is no relevant DTD or XML schema [00:45:58] <Kronuz> hmm [00:46:03] <sommerfeld> gisburn: well-formed has a more generic meaning. [00:46:16] <gisburn> sommerfeld: Under which interface stabilty category do bash scripts fall ? [00:46:25] <gisburn> sommerfeld: the Dtd thing was throught was joke. [00:46:31] <Kronuz> but still, I mean do I have to install a DNS server for that error to go away? o_O [00:46:32] <gisburn> s/was/as/ [00:46:38] * gisburn hates his english [00:46:39] <Kronuz> that shouldn't be the case [00:46:45] <tsoome> Kronuz: you must have hostname and hostname.domain [00:46:51] <tsoome> in hosts [00:46:58] <richlowe> sommerfeld: see above, I believe he means the stability of bash(1). [00:47:05] <gisburn> richlowe: no [00:47:05] <Kronuz> tsoome: let me try :) [00:47:15] <gisburn> richlowe: bash(4) may be a better definition [00:47:16] <richlowe> scripts would not be ARC'd as a group. [00:47:19] <richlowe> they may vary. [00:47:19] <gisburn> richlowe: the file format [00:47:26] <richlowe> if you mean the syntax of bash, that would be bash(1). [00:47:49] <gdamore> bash(4) has probably never been reviewed by ARC. bash(1) is part of the SFW extra stuff, and is at best Unstable or External [00:47:52] <FlaTLyneR> Can anyone help with my missing partition table problem? [00:47:57] <gisburn> richlowe: isn't the syntax decribed in the section 4 manual pages ? [00:47:59] <FlaTLyneR> I'm desperate! [00:48:01] <tsoome> sendmail should really try dns as well, but thats another story.... [00:48:02] <sommerfeld> gisburn: the interface stability of a particular script, bash or otherwise, is the choice of the person/team proposing to integrate it. [00:48:19] <alanc> |bash(1) | External | GNU Bourne-Again Shell | [00:48:24] <richlowe> alanc: Thanks. [00:48:27] <alanc> PSARC/2001/799 [00:48:30] <gdamore> thanks alanc. [00:48:50] <gisburn> alanc: alanc thanks! :-) [00:48:50] <alanc> helps to have a chandan-search-engine on the internal ARC website [00:49:43] <gdamore> FWIW, "External" stability means that it isn't stable, and changes to follow whateve whims the upstream source may have. :-) [00:49:44] * gisburn wonders whether alanc could post the ARC case for the huron integratoin, too... =:-) [00:50:03] <sommerfeld> External is now (approximately) Volatile [00:50:20] <alanc> though I have no idea how dduvall's name got misspelled as "David" in the 2001/799 opinion [00:50:27] * gdamore wonders WTF gisburn cares about bash(1) stability? [00:50:38] <richlowe> gdamore: to use as an example for ksh, probably. [00:50:43] <gisburn> alanc: Any comments on http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/arc/shcomp/solaris_shcomp_fasttrack.txt ? [00:50:48] <dwc-> FlaTLyneR: no luck with gpart and testdisk? [00:51:07] <gisburn> gdamore: I don't care, I just want to be sure what the other guys do... [00:51:10] <gdamore> that would be a bad choice. bash is some non-standards-compliant freeware thingy. ksh93 is POSIX compliant [00:51:13] <alanc> gisburn: PSARC/2006/459 Huron Platform Support [00:51:20] <gdamore> ksh93 should be "Standard" stability. [00:51:29] <alanc> more than that you'll have to file a request with arc-discuss to get published if it's not already [00:51:29] <FlaTLyneR> dwc- : None at all [00:51:36] <FlaTLyneR> They don't see the slices [00:51:37] <twincest> ksh93 implements nothing beyond exactly what POSIX specifies in a shell? [00:51:46] <FlaTLyneR> Gpart would not compile [00:51:47] <dwc-> I thought you said the slices were fine [00:51:49] <gisburn> gdamore: Agreed. However right now I am looking at the ksh93 binary shell format... [00:51:50] <richlowe> gdamore: That would get in the way of Roland's future plans. [00:51:53] <richlowe> s/would/could/ [00:51:54] <FlaTLyneR> Guess my gcc was too recent [00:51:55] <alanc> though you probably could have gotten that much off the opensolaris list of cases [00:52:04] <gisburn> twincest: ksh93 implements POSIX + extensions. [00:52:08] <gdamore> "binary" format? [00:52:09] <twincest> gisburn: right [00:52:12] <twincest> so it can't be Standard [00:52:13] <richlowe> gdamore: ksh93 has a compiler. [00:52:21] <dwc-> I used the static linux binary, with some linux rescue disk [00:52:22] <twincest> its interface could change and leave it still posix compliant [00:52:22] <richlowe> gdamore: and no, I'm not joking. [00:52:32] <gdamore> jeez. its not a freaking shell language, wtf is it? [00:52:33] <alanc> "Standard" isn't a stability level any more [00:52:45] <twincest> alanc: what was it reaplced with? [00:53:06] <alanc> Committed, with a note that we've committed to a specific standard [00:53:12] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [00:53:20] <twincest> ah [00:53:49] <Kronuz> tsoome: yep, it worked, thanks :) [00:54:01] <tsoome> sure it worked;) [00:54:06] * gdamore thinks there is way too much cruft ala PL/1, C++, and perl, in ksh93 for it to really belong as the default posix shell. [00:54:07] <alanc> the new "simplified" stability levels are Committed, Uncommitted, Volatile, and Not-An-Interface [00:54:17] <Kronuz> hehe [00:54:53] <MikeE> gdamore // alternatives? [00:55:22] <gisburn> which man page section covers kernel modules like "javaexec" or "intpexec" ? [00:55:23] <gdamore> not sure? but tracking an evolving open source shell that tries to be everything to everyone doesn't seem like the right answer either [00:55:30] <alanc> I really wouldn't have thought the cost of parsing a shell script was the bottleneck in most shell scripts [00:56:01] <gdamore> gisburn: i don't there is one, though it would probably section 7 if it existed [00:56:15] <gisburn> gdamore: he future plan includes the option to rework the damn POSIX shell stanard by some ksh93 features to make it useable again. [00:56:28] <MikeE> gdamore agreed... 100%... although going back to the "kinda lame" /sbin/sh doesn't seem like quite the right answer either? Or maybe it does... just type zsh,bash,whatever after you su - over to root... [00:56:39] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [00:56:42] <boyd> That's what I do now.... [00:56:45] <richlowe> alanc: I don't particularly see that either. [00:56:46] <boyd> Morning, all [00:56:49] <gisburn> gdamore: a pure POSIX shell is as useable as Solaris's /bin/sh [00:56:50] <gdamore> heh. just adding some basic POSIX compatibility to ksh88 would probably do the trick. :-) [00:57:38] <gdamore> all the other crap in ksh93 just serves to create some pseudo-standard so that you get people writing scripts that aren't truly portable [00:57:46] <alanc> ksh88 is the current Solaris POSIX shell, with a couple of tweaks for corner cases [00:58:01] <FlaTLyneR> dwc- : Thats a good idea [00:58:10] <FlaTLyneR> It wasn;t on INSERT or UBCD [00:58:15] *** gm152 has quit IRC [00:58:22] <FlaTLyneR> If you can find out which one it was let me know [00:58:29] <gdamore> so does ksh88 conform to UNIX'03 or not? [00:59:00] <Kronuz> MikeE: now I only have to figure how to make the home/end and del keys work "as expected" [00:59:13] <gisburn> gdamore: I think some extensions should be moved into the POSIX shell standard, including floating-point math and arrays (both number and string indexed) [00:59:21] <alanc> dunno about UNIX'O3 - /usr/xpg4/bin/sh is ksh88 with minor changes [00:59:41] <Kronuz> (also what's the name of the postgresql and apache2 packages) [01:00:01] <dwc-> FlaTLyneR: it wasn't on either. [01:00:04] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [01:00:09] <gdamore> well, you can think all you want, but it hasn't happened yet. putting those extensions in the default shell is probably not a great idea if it isn't part of the standard. [01:00:10] <dwc-> I put it on a usb key [01:00:14] <Kronuz> does solaris keep a log of all executed commands somewhere? [01:00:15] <dwc-> and booted off the usb key [01:00:32] <boyd> Kronuz: If you have auditing turned on it does [01:00:37] <MikeE> system SUNWapch2d Apache Web Server V2 Documentation [01:00:39] <MikeE> system SUNWapch2r Apache Web Server V2 (root) [01:00:40] <MikeE> system SUNWapch2u Apache Web Server V2 (usr) [01:00:42] <gdamore> there is also shell histories [01:00:57] <Kronuz> boyd: I suppose it's not on by default [01:00:59] <printk> Kronuz: what shell are you using? [01:01:04] <Kronuz> MikeE: thanks [01:01:12] <Kronuz> printk: bash, but just recently [01:01:16] <boyd> Kronuz: No, it has a non-zero performance implication [01:01:21] <Kronuz> .bash_hystory [01:01:22] <printk> Kronuz: you can simply type history to see shell history [01:01:31] <gdamore> anyway, i'm starting to think ksh93 is not a good choice to replace /bin/sh. but maybe /usr/xpg4/bin/sh can move to /bin ? [01:01:42] <gisburn> gdamore: /usr/xpg4/bin/sh in Solaris and AIX is full of extensions... why bother ? [01:01:57] <boyd> But shell history only applies to you, in a history-keeping shell.. auditing can record all cmds for all useds [01:02:00] <boyd> users [01:02:13] <MikeE> kronuz system SUNWpostgr PostgreSQL 8.1.4 client programs and libraries (but there appear to be a boatload of others too) [01:02:14] <Kronuz> I'll just have to try to remember all the configuration I've done next time :S [01:02:35] <gisburn> gdamore: erm... the current /usr/xpg4/bin/sh is a maintaince nightmare which cannot be open-sourced for license reasons and other things. [01:02:35] <gdamore> gisburn: the more extensions, the more likely to build scripts which rely on non-portable extensions. also, what happens if the standard evolves in some incompatible way? [01:02:47] <Kronuz> MikeE: is there a way to download such packages without downloading the whole DVD ? [01:02:56] <gdamore> that's unfortunate. but i'm starting to think ksh93 is a pig. [01:03:02] <boyd> There is something to be said for the equiv of --posixly-correct [01:03:22] <Kronuz> 'cause the DVD I have I don't think it has SUNWpostgr* [01:03:23] <gisburn> gdamore: I doubt it will evolve in an incompatible way since both bash and korn shell people agree in the basic functionality. [01:03:24] <MikeE> kronuz // not real sure... those packages are pretty much all included on the install-media [01:03:35] <twincest> Kronuz: DVD of what version? [01:03:38] <Kronuz> (it's sort of old DVD) [01:03:43] <MikeE> Kronuz :: that would suggest your DVD isn't 06/06 [01:03:43] <Kronuz> don't even know :S [01:03:56] <boyd> Kronuz: If you know in advance, you can also use "script", which will record your whole session to a file [01:04:03] <twincest> you can't mix-and-match Solaris install packages from different versions (at least i would not expect it to work well) [01:04:03] <Kronuz> nope [01:04:08] <Kronuz> 05 [01:04:09] <twincest> if you need a newer release, you should upgrade [01:04:14] <Kronuz> most likely something/05 [01:04:22] <twincest> 3/05? [01:04:23] <MikeE> Kronuz // it may be worth the time to download the new DVD. Gets you a couple of other things and patches too. [01:04:36] *** pitty has joined #opensolaris [01:04:41] <twincest> 3/05 is really, really old. [01:04:42] <MikeE> someing 05 would be 03/05 or some funky hardware release... (read don't use the funky hardware release...) [01:04:47] <gisburn> gdamore: -----> /msg [01:04:48] <twincest> Kronuz: cat /etc/release [01:04:57] <pitty> does anyone have any recommendations for a desktop for Solaris? [01:05:01] <gdamore> gisburn: see replies. [01:05:11] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [01:05:12] <twincest> pitty: JDS, KDE, CDE, Xfce [01:05:12] <Kronuz> yeah, I'm waiting for the disksog, it's not as old, I guess [01:05:15] <Kronuz> 1/06 [01:05:16] <Auralis> pitty: desktop in what regard, machine, window manager? [01:05:19] <printk> i need a dvd burner, burning 6 cds bi-weekly is going to be fun [01:05:23] <Kronuz> Assembled December 2005 [01:05:28] <gisburn> gdamore: I didn't get any since you're not registered against nickserv... [01:05:31] <printk> but then again, cd-r are so cheap.. i don't care <end of mindless rant> [01:05:34] <twincest> okay, 1/06 isn't so bad [01:05:35] <pitty> like a replacement for java desktop or cde [01:05:40] <gdamore> oh, let me reregister [01:05:41] <twincest> pitty: KDE, Xfce [01:05:42] <MikeE> Kronuz // not that bad, but 01/06 wont inbclude zfs or postgre [01:05:48] <boyd> printk: Install with live upgrade in mind then upgrade from ISOs [01:05:49] <Kronuz> yep [01:05:54] <Kronuz> that's what I saw :P [01:06:01] <printk> boyd: ah i need to read up on that [01:06:10] <boyd> You won't go back [01:06:11] <pitty> cool deal, just finished jumpstarting my machine and now my display is very grainy [01:06:12] <Kronuz> and maybe apache is a SFW ? [01:06:25] <boyd> pitty: x86? SPARC? [01:06:29] <MikeE> printk a jumpstart server in the environment, and your out of the cd-burning business! [01:06:30] <pitty> sparc [01:06:43] <twincest> Kronuz: apache is in /usr/apache or /usr/apache2, it's not SFW [01:06:47] <Auralis> some people also like windowmaker [01:06:53] <pitty> the java desktop is grainy but cde works well [01:06:56] <twincest> wmaker isn't really a desktop [01:06:57] <boyd> pitty: Grainy is likely to be low-bit depth. fbconfig -prconf [01:07:01] *** smoco has quit IRC [01:07:06] <twincest> (i quite like it as a WM though) [01:07:15] <MikeE> krnouz apache2 (note the 2) is SMF, apache (1) is /etc.... [01:07:23] <dwc-> blackbox, wmaker, enlightenment [01:07:42] <dwc-> and of course, twm [01:08:11] <pitty> boyd: i don't see any options for depth from the fbconfig -prconf output [01:08:15] * twincest likes standalone dtwm [01:08:28] <MikeE> pitty // if JDS is grainy and CDE looks good that probably means you're in 256-color mode. Might have to clean that up some. [01:08:31] <twincest> (i wrote a dtksh desktop switcher which is about all it needs to be quite usable) [01:08:38] <boyd> pitty: You don't see "possible depths: 8, 24"? [01:08:52] <pitty> nope, i was looking for something like that [01:08:58] <boyd> ...and "Current depth:" [01:08:59] <boyd> ? [01:09:02] <boyd> Odd [01:09:05] <twincest> JDS can't run in 256-colour mode? well pfft. what a useless desktop [01:09:11] <Kronuz> twincest: yep, apache is there :) [01:09:16] <boyd> twincest: It can, but it's ugly [01:09:18] <alanc> JDS can run in 256-colors, it just looks like crap [01:09:28] <Kronuz> I was looking for SUNWapach* :P [01:09:29] <pitty> hey Boyd: where can i paste the output? [01:09:32] <Auralis> not a big change from its look in 24bit mode [01:09:47] <boyd> pitty: I use pastebin [01:10:17] <boyd> alanc: Any idea why fbconfig wouldn't show depth? [01:10:39] <alanc> nope [01:10:45] <alanc> always has for me [01:10:49] <boyd> Me too [01:11:06] <MikeE> pitty see if this works for ya: /usr/openwin/bin/xdpyinfo | grep 'depth of root' might shed some light on what you're seening [01:11:27] <alanc> hmm, actually it isn't showing depth on my XVR-600 right now [01:11:36] <alanc> probably because it has both 8 & 24 available [01:11:55] <boyd> Hmm... [01:11:59] <alanc> oh, it's in fbconfig -propt for the XVR-600 [01:12:00] * boyd goes back to work [01:12:11] <alanc> though of course it lies, and says 8-bit, when it's running in 24-bit [01:12:22] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [01:12:29] <alanc> since we override that in the Xserver SMF properties [01:12:32] <MikeE> lying software is the BEST! [01:13:09] <alanc> yeah, well, we couldn't convince the SPARC group to change the default color depth to 24-bit in the drivers, so we just set it to 24-bit in the Xserver level [01:13:23] <pitty> here's the output: http://pastebin.com/834265 [01:13:33] <Auralis> hehe, the XVR-1000 says 24 bit, even when it should be 30bit [01:13:40] <pitty> i will try your suggestion MikeE [01:13:47] <dwc-> 30? [01:14:07] <Auralis> dwc-: yes, the xvr-1000 is 10bit per channel [01:14:10] <dwc-> 24 bits of color, 6 bits of alpha? [01:14:12] <dwc-> oh. [01:14:13] <alanc> I thought XVR-1000 only offered 30-bits of color via OpenGL, and limited to 24-bit in X [01:14:37] <Kronuz> after installing the apache2 packages, svcs doesn't show it there [01:14:46] <Kronuz> do I have to enable it first using svcadm? [01:14:46] <pitty> Mike [01:15:07] <Auralis> alanc: who knows, the docs about that card are the usual sparc gfx tight lipped crap [01:15:10] <Kronuz> how do you know what services are installed and ready to enable? [01:15:13] <pitty> yoxdpyinfo shows me: 8 panes for depth of root [01:15:14] <MikeE> Kronuz :: I think it may have to be picked up/added into the smf database... I'm not sure of the apache2 postinstall-scripts do that automaticallyt [01:15:42] <MikeE> alanc that means he is in 8-bite mode right? [01:15:49] <alanc> sounds like it [01:15:52] <Kronuz> the scripts are there at /lib/svc/method [01:16:05] <Kronuz> http-apache2 is there [01:16:12] <Kronuz> but the svcs doesn't show it [01:16:28] <MikeE> Kronuz: here is how mine looks: $ svcs apache2 [01:16:29] <MikeE> STATE STIME FMRI [01:16:31] <MikeE> disabled Nov_15 svc:/network/http:apache2 [01:16:33] <MikeE> $ [01:16:42] <MikeE> kronuz, the problem is that it hasn't been populated into the SMF database yet. [01:16:49] <Kronuz> yeah, I don't have apache2 in svcs output [01:16:54] <MikeE> a reboot will do that... [01:17:03] <Kronuz> o_O [01:17:06] <MikeE> there must also be another way, I haven't run into this yet, so I haven't figured it out yet [01:17:08] <Kronuz> a reboot or.... :P [01:17:11] <Kronuz> oh [01:17:11] <Kronuz> :P [01:17:14] <MikeE> right... :-) [01:17:15] <Kronuz> hehe [01:17:24] <printk> to reconfigure X on x86, do i juust do normal xorgcfg or xorgconfig etc? [01:17:25] <Kronuz> let me try something first [01:17:27] <MikeE> hold on, lets go look. (I should now this) [01:17:36] <MikeE> (know that is) [01:17:43] <Kronuz> for sure [01:17:55] <alanc> printk: yes, or vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:17:56] <Kronuz> (it's a must-know thing) [01:18:07] <pitty> hmm.. I will try KDE and hopefully it fixes my issue [01:18:18] * twincest does the monthly cleanout of the ticket system: 350 spams which have to be closed one at a time [01:18:31] <printk> alanc: ok that was my second question, i noticed I have a /etc/X11/.xorg.conf i guess default is .xorg.conf? [01:18:34] <pitty> what's weird is that the rest of my group using the same jumpstart image, works well [01:18:38] <Kronuz> svcadm refresh maybe? [01:19:00] <MikeE> try it out... [01:19:10] <MikeE> Kronuz I was thinking svccfg import of some sort [01:19:17] <MikeE> kronuz... still looking... [01:20:19] <Kronuz> I suppose the package scripts should do that [01:20:32] <alanc> printk: no, the default is no xorg.conf at all, and just probing the hardware at startup and using reasonable defaults [01:20:56] <MikeE> kronus if the post-install did that, then perhaps all that needs to be done is the refresh... try it out, does that show it in svcs [01:20:59] <alanc> /etc/X11/.xorg.conf is a capture of the autoconfig output from boot time that's used by xorgcfg as a template if you want to edit it [01:21:24] <twincest> when is Sun going to release a patch for this? http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102711-1 [01:21:37] <printk> alanc: ah hah.. ok thanks [01:21:40] <twincest> seems that the openssl 'fork' delays any openssl patches for ages [01:21:41] <Kronuz> MikeE: now we know the name of the service (you just told me) so I can use refresh, but what if we didn't? :P [01:21:46] <Kronuz> how whould I refresh [01:22:18] <MikeE> reboot :-) [01:22:23] <MikeE> did the refresh work? [01:22:38] <Kronuz> :P I'm checking the configuration in other packages [01:23:04] <alanc> can't just take the new openssl from the community and ship it, since openssl community doesn't do binary compatibility and everything linked with openssl would instantly break [01:23:13] <twincest> yeah, i understand that [01:23:34] <alanc> beyond that, I dunno - have to ask someone in security sustaining [01:23:39] <twincest> but the time to resolution still seems excessive - there isn't even a T-patch [01:24:08] <gdamore> thats one thing i hate about typical FOSS -- nobody seems to give a damn about backwards compatibilty [01:25:02] * gdamore lived the openssl fiasco back when Sun Crypto Accel 1000 first shipped, with its own version of mod_ssl. [01:25:09] <twincest> note that the implication of this advisory when it was released was 'remote code executation in SSH server' [01:25:15] <Kronuz> what's sysidconfig for? [01:25:19] <twincest> i notice the current one doesn't say anything at all about ssh though [01:25:38] <sommerfeld> sysidcfg is used to configure assorted system parameters on first boot. [01:26:05] <Kronuz> I guess that's not it then [01:26:05] <MikeE> Kronuz comes in handy during zero-touch jumpstart type loads [01:26:08] <twincest> although curiously, the search result on sunsolve says this: "Although SSH is linked against OpenSSL, it is not impacted by ... " [01:26:18] <twincest> i guess the search index is a bit out of date [01:26:21] <MikeE> Kronuz what are you looking for? [01:26:47] <Kronuz> (sshd does that when it ends installing the package: postinstall) [01:27:08] <Kronuz> sysconfig -a /lib/svc/method/sshd [01:28:27] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [01:28:34] <Kronuz> (neither the refresh nor the enable worked) [01:28:53] <Kronuz> but sshd did something right 'caus eI didn't have to reboot after installing it [01:29:12] <MikeE> try: svccfg [01:29:30] <twincest> Kronuz: you installed ssh from the media? [01:29:44] <Kronuz> yep [01:29:48] <MikeE> then at the svccfg prompt: import /var/svc/manifest/network/http-apache2.xml [01:29:49] <MikeE> end [01:29:51] <Kronuz> as a package [01:29:54] <twincest> if you're new t solaris you should do a 'full' install [01:30:06] <twincest> you'll have much less pain :) [01:30:21] <Kronuz> well, otherwise I wouldn't learn [01:30:29] <Kronuz> I also have a full install [01:30:34] <twincest> what you'll learn is how to install what you want in the base install [01:30:35] <dwc-> I know you can't go from 0.9.7 to 0.9.8, but the versions within 0.9.7 should be the same, no? [01:30:44] <Auralis> yes [01:30:44] <twincest> rather than doing a core install and adding stuff from the media [01:30:57] <twincest> no-one administers solaris like that [01:31:12] <MikeE> Kronuz you ahve me curious... lets try the svccfg stuff... [01:31:15] <twincest> (e.g. flar, jumpstarT) [01:32:09] *** FlaTLyneR has quit IRC [01:32:10] <Kronuz> yep, it's the import [01:32:19] <MikeE> Kronuz FWIW twincest is right. this is an interesting experiment, but your time/energy would be better spent on jumpstart, flar, and liveupgrade. [01:32:19] <Kronuz> it's there in the i.manifest [01:32:34] <Kronuz> <.< [01:32:35] <Kronuz> >.> [01:32:36] <twincest> (hint: try adding some patches and then adding media from the base media. then notice that your newly added packages are not patched) [01:32:39] <Error_404> heh, i just cut my own hair [01:32:58] <Error_404> college is fun... [01:33:32] <MikeE> kronuz Ok, so I think you're good to go with this now. you'll have to create an /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and you can start using svcadm commands to control the biatch [01:33:37] <Kronuz> twincest: I understand... but if I don't learn this now, I'll have to learn it the hard way later [01:34:05] <twincest> Kronuz: you already learnt this is a bad idea, now do it the right way :P [01:34:06] <Kronuz> MikeE: yep, thanks [01:34:21] <Kronuz> MikeE: I'll just verify the svccfg works [01:34:22] <gdamore> twincest++ [01:34:51] <MikeE> kronuz // there is a real lesson here... make sure to hear it :-) [01:35:00] <twincest> fwiw, i wrote an apt-get type utility for Solaris [01:35:11] <MikeE> kronuz // jumpstart full+oem is your friend... pkgadd is not :-) [01:35:13] <twincest> it reads the install media and adds a package and all its dependencies [01:35:18] *** syndrome71 has joined #opensolaris [01:35:26] <twincest> you know what i learnt from doing that? it was a waste of time, because doing it like that doesn't work [01:35:45] <MikeE> twincenst // yep... add "local zones" to that, and you've got a real hairball on your hands. [01:36:10] <Kronuz> O_O [01:36:39] <twincest> mikee: yep, i had a zone on that system and it ended up fairly broken [01:36:55] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [01:36:56] <twincest> fortunately that zone is gone now and i managed to repair most of it without reinstalling :) [01:37:03] <twincest> (still running 3/05 + patches..) [01:37:06] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [01:37:55] <twincest> although i nearly upgraded for ZFS, but then they released a zfs patch for 3/05 [01:37:56] <gdamore> heh. me too. except probably fewer patches. [01:37:57] <MikeE> twincest same here... actually mostly moved to 01/06 + patches... going to u3 here in a bit. should be interesting with ZFS and all... [01:38:14] <MikeE> zfs got patched back??? [01:38:17] <MikeE> really??? [01:38:20] <gdamore> am trying to install 06/06 on the Via, but having problems. [01:38:33] <twincest> root@zedler:~# cat /etc/release [01:38:33] <twincest> Solaris 10 3/05 s10_74L2a X86 [01:38:33] <twincest> Copyright 2005 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved. [01:38:33] <twincest> Use is subject to license terms. [01:38:33] <twincest> Assembled 22 January 2005 [01:38:33] <twincest> root@zedler:~# zpool list [01:38:35] <twincest> NAME SIZE USED AVAIL CAP HEALTH ALTROOT [01:38:38] <twincest> ift 1.08T 63.7G 1.02T 5% ONLINE - [01:38:39] <twincest> int 756G 222G 534G 29% ONLINE - [01:38:46] <MikeE> twincest the betas yes... GA stuff? [01:38:50] <gdamore> why not. all 06/06 or 01/06 are just collections of patches "preapplied" to 03/05. [01:38:51] <twincest> mikee: yep, GA [01:39:05] <twincest> mikee: it was one of the very few features that got a genesis patch for older releases [01:39:20] <MikeE> gdamore... Yes you are correct but Sun has had very strong "feelings" against doing back-patches of NEW functionality [01:39:34] <gdamore> huh? unless Sun has changed how patches work, all updates are just collections of patches against the GA product. [01:40:01] <gdamore> now backporting to a different "release" (Solaris 9, for example), _that_ would be amazing. [01:40:24] <Kronuz> svccfg: Could not refresh svc:/network/http:apache2 (deleted). [01:40:26] <gdamore> in theory, i should be able to update my 03/05 system to 06/06 by just applying the right patches. [01:40:27] <Kronuz> gmm [01:40:41] <MikeE> twincenst... I knew them monkeyed around with new functionality through patches for Updatemanager and a few others, didn't know about ZFS. Good to know. [01:40:43] <Kronuz> MikeE: I think't that's why it's not there in svcs [01:40:44] <twincest> Your browser sent a query this server could not understand. [01:40:46] <gdamore> Kronuz: you like to do things that hard way. :-) [01:40:47] [01:41:01] <MikeE> gdmore :: sustaining will NOT support that theory [01:41:06] <twincest> this is the ZFS patch: http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-21-122641-06-1 [01:41:24] <alanc> gdamore: updates are patches to existing packages and additions of new packages [01:41:28] <gdamore> MikeE: why not? this is the way updates/patches have worked since at least 2.6. [01:41:43] <gdamore> okay, so i might need some new packages, too. I suppose. [01:41:48] <MikeE> gdamore that is the problem. If they come out with new hardware "requireing" a certain "core release" they will NOT support an /etc/release that doesnt' match that minium requirement [01:41:49] <alanc> new packages are normally not delivered as patches that can be applied with patchadd except in very special cases, like ZFS [01:41:50] <Kronuz> gdamore: it's the only way I can start getting use to all this... for instance, I would not know where svc stuff was otherwse [01:42:05] <twincest> gdamore: afaik, there is a difference between "patch that updates a package" and "patch that adds a new package" [01:42:21] <gdamore> MikE: sure, I understand the support issues here. But i'm talking about the actual bits on the disk. [01:42:34] <alanc> "patch that adds a new package" is not supposed to exist, but has been hacked into working [01:42:44] <MikeE> gdamore since 2.6 they have stuck to this like nobody's business... They WILL NOT SUPPORT... they want you to "upgrade" the OS by booting of the new CD, (that updates /etc/release) and only then will they support [01:42:47] <gdamore> alanc: really? _that_ is something new [01:43:19] <gdamore> MikeE not true. the shwps used to have a script on the CD that would apply the SHWP/Update by just bulk applying the patches [01:43:22] <MikeE> gdamore // no... back-patching "functionality" is and has always been technicall against the riiles [01:43:32] *** gm152 has quit IRC [01:43:42] <MikeE> gdmore... NO PATCH will update /etc/release [01:43:48] <MikeE> EVER [01:43:55] <gdamore> MikeE I think you are confusing "updates" and "releases" [01:43:56] <twincest> gdamore: every Sun person i've talked to has said that ZFS was a very special exception and such a feature would usually never be delivered with a patch [01:44:00] <MikeE> although we've been bugging Sun for it for many years now [01:44:17] <MikeE> "core release" aka update.... [01:44:46] <alanc> features may be added in patches, but only as a patch generated as part of an update release [01:44:48] <gdamore> MikeE: yes, that is true. but apart from the /etc/release contents, the actual binary bits of /usr/bin, /usr/lib, etc. can be updated by applying patches. [01:45:00] <gdamore> the /etc/release file is handled specially, and is _never_ patched. [01:45:22] <alanc> features for OS'es older than the one currently getting update releases need very special exceptions with strong business cases, since it's much better for you to upgrade to the latest OS instead [01:45:41] <gdamore> alanc: right. and you might not be able to lay hands on a separate patch (apart from the update), but somewhere it exists. [01:45:44] <MikeE> gdamore... correct. ONLY when you "update" your OS, does /etc/release get patched. Only at that point will sustaining support you meeting the minimum requirements. [01:46:06] <alanc> /etc/release was modified by the old "MU" scripts that batch installed all the patches that were included in an update release, but it specifically said "MU applied" and not the update release number [01:46:29] <gdamore> alanc: right. I remember those scripts. :-) [01:46:48] <Kronuz> lol [01:46:48] <Kronuz> http://www.webservertalk.com/message950020.html [01:46:49] <alanc> the MU's were killed somewhere in S9 because they proved that no one ever downloaded them and would not believe any arguments that their download stats were utter crap [01:46:52] <MikeE> right, so that is the scenario where you boot from the "new media" and select "upgrade" instead of install-from scratch [01:47:02] <Kronuz> MikeE: "this problem eventually fixed itself when the [01:47:02] <Kronuz> server was rebooted" [01:47:03] <gdamore> alanc: heh. I downloaded them a bunch. [01:47:38] <MikeE> this ofcourse was a MESS when it came to backouts, VxVM, etc. etc. [01:47:52] *** AntiRight has joined #opensolaris [01:47:58] <gdamore> MikeE: no. the "upgrade" option is not the same as the "MU" scripts. The MU scripts just blasted a bunch of patches onto an already running systme. the Upgrade option is something else. [01:48:32] <MikeE> dgamore :: right, the upgrade is the only way they supported brining yourself to the minimum requirements for new hardware etc. [01:48:41] <gdamore> for new hardware, yes. [01:48:43] <MikeE> adding the latest patches wasn't an option. [01:48:54] <MikeE> and yet, its EXACTLY the same bits on the disk... [01:49:17] <gdamore> that's a decision made by sustaining to reduce confusion and corner cases. i can understand why it was made [01:49:19] <twincest> fwiw, maybe this is a unique case, but i have a remote Solaris 10 3/05 server, the only Solaris machine in a cluster of Linux machines, and it's a real pain to do a remote install/upgrade [01:49:22] <gdamore> even if I don't agree with it [01:49:28] <twincest> so i *really* appreciated the ZFS patch :) [01:49:59] * gdamore wonders how they tweaked the patch tools to add package. [01:50:14] *** jmcp has quit IRC [01:50:20] <MikeE> we continue to have "discussions" with sustaining etc. about patching our way from 1 core-release to another... we're getting closer... (but I've been saying that for years :-) [01:50:25] <gdamore> after all a patch is just a set of sparse packages with some special installation scripts, so it probably is not a big deal [01:50:54] <MikeE> gdamore patches are just collections of packages... they snuck in net-new "packages" under the covers [01:50:55] *** AntiRight has left #opensolaris [01:50:55] * gdamore did some release engineering work for his products while at Sun, way back when. :-) [01:51:01] <alanc> MikeE: it's not exactly the same bits - exactly the same bits is adding all the packages + adding all the patches [01:51:29] <gdamore> but an update should be nothing more than the GA + some predefined collection of patches. [01:51:40] <Kronuz> ls [01:51:43] <Kronuz> :P [01:51:43] <alanc> if you just patched from S9U3 to S9U4, you'ld miss all the GNOME packages first added in S9U4 [01:51:44] <MikeE> alanc // correct its close but note the same, and they don't have the cycleds etc. to do "QA etc." on there. makes perfect sense, [01:51:49] <gdamore> (and now, apparently, those patches can also add packages, not just patch existing ones) [01:52:23] <MikeE> alanc // but when they start back-patching in functionality, that rule changes... [01:52:50] <richlowe> alanc: you say that as if it's a bad thing :) [01:53:07] <alanc> it is if you want the exact same bits as a S9U4 upgrade/install [01:53:18] <alanc> I'm sure I could find other examples [01:53:19] <MikeE> there is a new bearded guy looking at all this patch business, we're hoping he is able to succeed where others ran into trouble.... [01:53:24] *** Joe8 has joined #opensolaris [01:53:34] <alanc> bart? [01:53:39] <MikeE> si... [01:53:42] <Kronuz> okay thanks MikeE :) [01:53:51] <Kronuz> reboot did it after all :P [01:54:18] <MikeE> Kronuz, thanks.... There should have been another way. I'm going to have to think about that a little and bug my friends at Sun on that one [01:54:19] <MikeE> . [01:54:35] <Kronuz> :) [01:54:53] <MikeE> alanc if this pathing business is of interest you should swing by and see him [01:55:02] <Kronuz> the import seems to fail without the reboot [01:55:03] <MikeE> hopefully he is still making progress [01:55:08] *** piwi has quit IRC [01:55:22] <MikeE> kronuz import followed by svcadm refresh maybe? [01:55:26] *** ndroux has quit IRC [01:55:30] <Kronuz> nope [01:55:32] <Kronuz> I tried [01:55:44] <Kronuz> import fails and deletes the apache2 [01:55:45] <alanc> MikeE: I talk with Bart a lot [01:55:56] <alanc> he works upstairs from me [01:55:58] <MikeE> kronuz then we missed osmething in there.... somethhing for the back burner then. [01:55:59] <Kronuz> refresh just can't find it ('cause it's deleted) [01:56:07] <Kronuz> dunno [01:56:11] <MikeE> cool, tell bart I said hey... [01:56:26] <MikeE> I did a solaris 2.5 Plat beta with him many moons ago. [01:56:47] <MikeE> (he had just written NSCD at the time... that along with the Solaris DOOM port I think) [01:57:05] <gdamore> back to hacking on Sun Ray remote device driver protocol for me. :-) [01:57:22] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [01:57:23] <alanc> yeah, he started out in X long ago (though left before I got here) [01:57:26] <MikeE> gdamore... oooh then we can talk a LOT longer :-) [01:57:48] <gdamore> heh. :-) [01:58:39] <MikeE> gdamore // I'm waiting for the SunRay people to get their stuff ported to Xorg or whatever so we can start using the XrandX extension to provide some screen resizing... drives my users nuts... and they me in turn [01:58:56] <MikeE> gdamore /// that and them wanting to hook up an ipod :-) [01:59:01] <gdamore> yeah, well I only know the firmware side, no the server side. [01:59:09] <Kronuz> hey, by using enable one starts the service and using disble it's stopped? [01:59:20] <MikeE> Kronuz thats the idea... [01:59:23] <Kronuz> what's the refresh for then? [01:59:25] <gdamore> enable -sf if i recall properly [01:59:31] <MikeE> gdamore you work with peacock then? [01:59:31] <Joe8> How do I change the screen resolution in opensolaris, sparc? If I try Preferences, Screen Resolution, I get: The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. [01:59:48] <gdamore> Joe8: see fbconfig(1) [01:59:49] <MikeE> Joe8 I think if you use Xorg things start working? [01:59:50] <alanc> on SPARC, you have to use fbconfig [02:00:01] <alanc> Solaris doesn't ship Xorg on SPARC yet [02:00:02] <printk> by default, with entire distro installed, iis smc not enabled? I don't seem to be offered all the options [02:00:05] <richlowe> if you try Xorg on sparc, I doubt things start to work :) [02:00:06] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [02:00:19] <gdamore> i thought smc was going bye bye in nevada. [02:00:34] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [02:00:39] <MikeE> I thought I saw some skunkworks release of Xorg for sparc from someone in Germany the other day> [02:00:44] <printk> ah maybe that's why, maybe it's phasing out :) Well its on my 52 buillld [02:00:46] <MikeE> (was a while back actually) [02:01:10] <richlowe> it being disabled by default (or maybe only kinda disabled by default), would probably be the Secure By Default stuff. [02:01:17] <richlowe> though we can only hope that smc does go away, too :) [02:04:46] *** crash|_ has quit IRC [02:05:18] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [02:05:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [02:07:38] <MikeE> later guys... 'ts been fun... [02:08:22] <printk> take care mikee [02:09:31] <Joe8> Ok. Now a stupid question: What is the difference between fbconfig and fbconfig(1)? [02:09:57] <twincest> fbconfig(1) refers to a manual page [02:10:12] <twincest> it's usually used to disambiguate a term when it could mean several things [02:10:14] <printk> (1) refers to a manual page, and 1 usually means binary application iirc [02:10:25] <twincest> e.g. 'qsort' could be a C function or a Fortran function [02:10:34] <twincest> but qsort(3c) is only the C function, never the Fortran function [02:10:41] <twincest> (qsort(3f) is the Fortran function) [02:10:48] <Kronuz> so patches also update packages like apache and pgsql? [02:11:13] *** MikeE has quit IRC [02:11:23] <Joe8> what about eeprom(1M)? [02:11:52] *** delewis has quit IRC [02:11:57] <twincest> 1m is the manual page section for system administration commands [02:12:01] <stevel> man -s 1m eeprom [02:12:50] <Kronuz> gdamore: hey, do you know how to scroll up/down in a man page or in 'more'? [02:13:03] <gdamore> setenv PAGER less [02:13:16] <Joe8> Ok. Thank you [02:13:31] <gdamore> then use standard "vi" keys to navigate around. [02:13:59] <twincest> Kronuz: export PAGER=less [02:14:00] <gdamore> "more" is terrible, but it supports "b" to go backwards, it think [02:14:04] <Kronuz> hehe... [02:14:09] <Kronuz> don't have less installed [02:14:14] <Kronuz> ROTFL [02:14:41] <ShadowHntr> wtf [02:14:43] * gdamore smacks Kronuz upside the head with the install media, screaming "Full Install"... :-) [02:14:50] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [02:14:52] <Kronuz> :) [02:15:00] <ShadowHntr> i need to upgrade my Ultra 5 [02:15:05] <ShadowHntr> give it a 400MHz processor module [02:15:07] <ShadowHntr> 512MB of ram [02:15:11] <ShadowHntr> and maybe a 120GB hard disk [02:15:24] <Kronuz> I wonder if there's a way to know in what package is less [02:15:32] <gdamore> you could probably just find a system like that on eBay preconfigured. :-) [02:15:46] <ShadowHntr> gdamore: nah, i'll do it myself. it's not that expensive. processor is like 20 bucks. [02:16:01] <gdamore> Ultra 5 is like, what, 30 bucks? :-) [02:16:06] <onbot> commit by jm22469: 6480791 NULL pointer dereference panic on guest domains.; 6494132 ldoms ds module could use lint cleanup [02:16:06] <onbot> commit by Susan Scheufele: 6496754 zfod_segvn_crargs overwrite may cause panic [02:16:21] <twincest> guest domains? is that a Xen commit? [02:16:28] <richlowe> LDOM, probably. [02:16:34] <twincest> what's an ldom [02:16:39] <Kronuz> there should be a list of files for all packages [02:16:42] <richlowe> twincest: sun4v logical domain. [02:16:45] <twincest> ah [02:16:50] <twincest> like LPAR [02:17:02] <jmcp> gdamore: isn't that a bit much for an u5? [02:17:08] <gdamore> heh. :-) [02:17:19] <gdamore> yeah, but that _includes_ the shipping cost. [02:17:43] <Kronuz> I'm beginning to thing installing as core was not the best idea [02:17:46] <Kronuz> think* [02:17:47] <ShadowHntr> if i could afford it, i'd get a Netra T1, but that's a little over the top. [02:18:08] <gdamore> yesterday i finally dismantled my old P133 MMX system. weird seeing ISA, and AT-style keyboard connectors again, in a system with PCI bus. [02:18:18] <ShadowHntr> lol [02:18:23] <ShadowHntr> that must have been nostalgic. :) [02:18:43] <Joe8> I also have a problem with the menus in firefox, not other programs. It seems like they are trying to be transparent or something, but it looks really bad. [02:18:44] <gdamore> heh. it had Solaris on it, actually. [02:19:00] <gdamore> (Solaris 8. I was using it to debug some NIC drivers a few years ago.) [02:19:20] *** rachel has quit IRC [02:19:50] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [02:21:21] <Kronuz> gdamore: hey, as ^E and ^A are end/home, are there key for pgup/pgdown? [02:21:35] <twincest> gdamore: i have a dual P133 here. it was one *really* odd part: a jumper marked "Intel/Alpha" [02:21:44] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [02:21:52] <twincest> gdamore: the CPU is on a daughterboard and can apparently be swapper for an Alpha CPU board [02:22:28] <gdamore> Kronuz: Control F and Control B work "less" [02:22:37] <gdamore> work in "less" i mean [02:23:05] <Kronuz> thanks gdamore [02:23:09] <gdamore> twincest: heh. yeah, pentium and alpha came out around the same time. (actually, I think alpha slightly predates pentium) [02:23:11] <Kronuz> how do you know all this? [02:23:14] <gisburn> Tpenta: -----> /msg and please register against nickserv [02:23:19] <Kronuz> is it there in a man page? [02:23:28] <Kronuz> ctrl+stuff keys [02:23:29] <jmcp> Kronuz: man less [02:23:29] <gdamore> Kronuz: I've been using, administering, or developing on Solaris for a decade. [02:23:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [02:23:54] <gdamore> oh, you mean, how do _you_ find out? :-) man pages, doco, and asking questions. :-) [02:24:10] <twincest> i agree with gdamore [02:24:11] <Kronuz> gdamore: I've been using, administering, or developing on Solaris for a day ^_^ [02:24:14] <twincest> i've used Unix since i was 12 years old [02:24:21] <twincest> you pick up a lot of stuff :) [02:24:51] <gdamore> oh, i've used _UNIX_ longer than that. :-) Solaris is just the past decade. before that SunOS. [02:25:08] <Kronuz> I'm starting to think using windows since age 12 wasn't a very good idea either [02:25:20] <twincest> heh [02:25:21] <Joe8> Does anyone else have the same problem with the menus in firefox? Can I do something about it? [02:25:30] <twincest> i never used windows as my desktop OS [02:25:35] <gdamore> Actually, let me see, i think i was first introduced to UNIX in 1990. So for quite a while now. [02:25:37] <twincest> i went straight from Amiga DOS to NetBSD to Linux [02:25:48] <twincest> which is why i find it odd when people ask 'why do you use linux?' [02:25:51] <gdamore> twincest: thats bad to worse. :-) [02:25:57] <twincest> it seems like 'why do you use unix?' is just as valid [02:26:07] <Kronuz> twincest: i went straight from C64 to DOS to Windows :( [02:26:09] <twincest> er, s/unix/windows [02:26:22] <Kronuz> I missed the unix sign :( [02:26:24] <gdamore> C64->DOS->NetWare->UNIX [02:26:25] <Auralis> Amiga to Solaris here, never owned a x86 machine [02:26:41] <twincest> gdamore: debian was more accessible than NetBSD. i was a debian developer (committer) by 16 [02:26:44] <gdamore> I only played with DOS/NetWare for about a year or so [02:27:01] <Kronuz> stop it! it makes me feel ill [02:27:06] <gdamore> heh. [02:27:18] <twincest> although at that time debian had no x86 build machine [02:27:24] <dwc-> netware was neat [02:27:27] <twincest> so i had to borrow someone else's machine to make x86 builds :) [02:27:28] <Kronuz> damn DOS games! [02:28:10] <gdamore> i got watcom C and about 2 months later discovered Linux. never went back to developing for DOS ever again. [02:28:24] <dwc-> and somewhat conveniently, DOS games such as quake, duke nukem, etc. used IPX for networking anyways [02:28:43] *** pitty has quit IRC [02:28:52] <Kronuz> I even learned about watcom too late :( [02:29:04] <gdamore> IPX. those were the days. :-) I did some crazy hacks in netware. strange bizarro Bindery hacks. :-) [02:29:51] <gdamore> the business school at UCB ran on NetWare, which is how I got introduced. (I was an engineering student, but running the lab at the business school paid much better than any other on campus job) [02:30:06] <dwc-> indeed, netware used to pay well [02:30:09] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [02:30:40] <dwc-> nowadays... my netware certification could be toilet paper [02:30:53] <gdamore> heh. i never got a certification, from anyone, ever. [02:31:05] <gdamore> just my CS degree from SDSU. [02:31:11] <jmcp> gdamore: not even from people in white coats? [02:31:12] <dwc-> eh, useful when you're young [02:31:20] <dwc-> once you have experience or a degree, it's not so much [02:31:46] <gdamore> jmcp: well, we don't like to talk about that..... :-) [02:32:17] <Kronuz> oh well... I guess it wasn't meant to be... [02:32:21] <Kronuz> if that 12 yo thing is true, then I'm condemned to be a unix newbie for the rest of my life [02:32:32] <gdamore> no, not at all. :-) [02:32:32] * twincest downloads latest mysql, feels dirty [02:32:45] <Kronuz> ('cause I'd be too old to learn it good) [02:32:50] <gdamore> unless you get hit by a truck or something on the way home. [02:32:50] <dwc-> well.... I started dos/windows younger than 12 [02:33:12] <dwc-> but 5.1 should be the greatest thing since sliced bread! [02:33:16] <gdamore> heh. i was about 10 when i picked up apple and C64 stuff. all i could get my hands on was 8-bit stuff at the time. [02:33:58] <Kronuz> I never used an apple, nor an amiga [02:34:10] <Kronuz> I used atari tho' ^_^ [02:34:25] <dwc-> one of my mother's ex-coworkers still uses a 486, running win95 [02:34:28] <twincest> atari was for people too lame to use amigas [02:34:29] <twincest> :P [02:34:34] <gdamore> 486, ouch. [02:34:44] <dwc-> I had to help her, uhh.... delete some files from the full 400mb hard disk [02:34:47] <gdamore> she should check out NetBSD, she would be in fine company there.:-) [02:34:56] <dwc-> couple of versions of ancient aol [02:35:08] <dwc-> well, she does is juno for email [02:35:14] <dwc-> so the 486 is sufficient [02:35:25] <twincest> 4,860 security holes [02:35:28] <Kronuz> ^F and ^B work also in vi :) [02:35:30] <printk> netbsd rocks on my 486 :P [02:35:33] <printk> openbsd is a sludge [02:35:34] <gdamore> people for which the WebTV was designed. :-) or now the nintendo Wii. :-) [02:35:43] <dwc-> Kronuz: as forward/back a page? yes. [02:35:51] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [02:35:52] <twincest> we *still* get people mailing us saying 'i can't view your website on webtv' [02:36:03] <twincest> i honestly have no idea what to tell them [02:36:09] <Kronuz> why didn't I know about this ctrl+stuff things? [02:36:15] <gdamore> Kronuz: yes. It would be instructive to learn to use "vi" well. If you can master that, then you might, maybe, overcome newbiness. :-) [02:36:16] <printk> heh webtv, didn't that die in like 95? [02:36:17] <Kronuz> oh... DOS didn't have those :P [02:36:18] <dwc-> try vimtutor? [02:36:23] <Auralis> twincest: "Get a clue sucker" :) [02:36:35] <dwc-> try ed... should remind you of a better version of dos's edlin [02:36:51] <Kronuz> gdamore: master like master master... or just know how to sort of use it? :P [02:37:02] * jmcp wanders off to do stuff [02:37:06] <gdamore> be reasonably comfortable in it. [02:37:14] <twincest> Auralis: i'd love to do that but in theory we like users [02:37:15] <Kronuz> :S [02:37:17] <Kronuz> :( [02:37:34] <printk> vi is a god send. Learn it Kronuz, once u know it by muscle memory, its way faster than any editor. offt emacs [02:37:40] <printk> s/offt/pfft [02:37:44] <dwc-> but .... ed is the standard [02:37:47] <Kronuz> hey, what about vim? is it the "same" thing [02:37:56] <gdamore> i love emacs, i love vi. they both have their places. [02:38:01] <twincest> kronuz: same thing as what? vi? no [02:38:05] <Auralis> nedit baby :) [02:38:11] <twincest> but some linuxes installed 'vi' as a symlink to 'vim' [02:38:21] <gdamore> "vim" is to vi as "ksh93" is to sh. [02:38:21] <dwc-> it's very similar, but slightly more bloated, and with more features [02:38:32] <twincest> vim is compatible is fairly close but it's *not* vi [02:38:40] <twincest> example: create a terminal with 150 cols and run vi [02:38:48] <twincest> "Error: terminal is too wide" [02:38:55] <gdamore> learn "vi" (true), and you can function on any UNIX system, because they all ship with vi, if nothing else. [02:38:59] <Kronuz> gdamore: for some reason that didn't quite tell me that much [02:39:08] <delewis> well, not any UNIX system. [02:39:14] <Kronuz> (your analogy) [02:39:17] <Kronuz> :P [02:39:19] <delewis> if you wanted to use any UNIX system, getting familiar with ed would be advantageous. [02:39:23] <gdamore> Kronuz: that remark was mostly meant to rile other people who might be present. :-) [02:39:24] <twincest> why doesn't ls list the contents of the directory? [02:39:25] <twincest> root@zedler:/usr/local# ls -l mysql [02:39:25] <twincest> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Sep 10 23:55 mysql -> mysql-max-5.0.24a-solaris10-x86_64 [02:39:29] *** robg has joined #opensolaris [02:39:41] <twincest> afaik i have no alias for 'ls' [02:40:02] <Kronuz> vim is the only one with colors, right? [02:40:16] <twincest> kronuz: no, there are other vi clones with colour [02:40:21] <Kronuz> oh [02:40:26] <dwc-> ls doesn't dereference the symlink [02:40:27] <gdamore> "ed" and "ex" are everywhere too, but terribly painful, and lack visual modes. in nearly 16 years of use, I've never once had to use them apart from the command line mode in "vi". [02:40:27] <twincest> Kronuz: http://yzis.org/ [02:40:45] <twincest> dwc-: i'm sure i remember that it should though [02:40:51] <dwc-> if you've got that gnu ls, you can put a / on the end [02:40:52] <twincest> am i just too drunk to be root? [02:41:00] <twincest> yeah, even solaris ls works with mysql/ [02:41:03] <gdamore> twincest: if you have to ask.... [02:41:19] <dwc-> twincest: mine doesn't [02:41:22] <Kronuz> gdamore: do you use the regular vi or some other "clone"? [02:41:23] <twincest> gdamore: i drunk only 0.5 litle of vodka. normally i'm fine to be root [02:41:24] <richlowe> if the system is still running, the answer is "No". [02:41:25] <twincest> dwc-> hmm. [02:41:28] <richlowe> ... unless it's in production. [02:41:36] <twincest> root@zedler:/usr/local# /bin/ls -l mysql/ [02:41:36] <twincest> total 102 [02:41:49] <gdamore> when i want a "real editor" (e.g. for working on big projects) i switch to emacs. [02:42:01] <dwc-> odd [02:42:02] <Kronuz> I tried to use emacs once [02:42:03] <dwc-> war# /bin/ls -l /bin | wc -l [02:42:03] <dwc-> 1 [02:42:03] <dwc-> war# /bin/ls -l /bin/ | wc -l [02:42:03] <dwc-> 632 [02:42:07] <dwc-> (s10) [02:42:19] <dwc-> flood [2] /bin/ls -l /bin | wc -l [02:42:19] <dwc-> 1 [02:42:19] <dwc-> flood [3] /bin/ls -l /bin/ | wc -l [02:42:19] <dwc-> 1 [02:42:22] <dwc-> (s8) [02:42:26] <Kronuz> ... but my attempt ended at the "trying" [02:42:47] <gdamore> It took me about 4 years of stalled efforts to pick up emacs before I finally broke the learning curve. :-) [02:42:48] <twincest> dwc-: odd [02:43:04] <Kronuz> O_O [02:43:05] <gdamore> so don't feel bad. [02:43:23] <Kronuz> ... I use UltraEdit [02:43:24] <Kronuz> hehe [02:43:27] <dwc-> I installed emacs twice [02:43:31] <robg> Anyone here know the correct syntax for using inline files in SunC? [02:43:36] <dwc-> the first time, because I didn't know about vi's :set showmatch [02:43:43] <twincest> robg: what is an "inline file"? [02:43:46] <dwc-> (I was doing some lisp) [02:44:09] <robg> twincest: .il providing assembly within a C program [02:44:19] <printk> if you'ree gona code in lisp, might as well use emacs :) [02:44:36] <gdamore> robg: grep around for .il files in the on tree. [02:44:49] <twincest> hmm, i set mysql's InnoDB cache to 6GB and it's using 7.5GB of RAM [02:44:51] <dwc-> the second time, it was because one of the users on my machine wanted it [02:44:56] <twincest> i wish it would be more accurate [02:45:09] <dwc-> what about the other caches and buffers? [02:45:15] <gdamore> font-lock mode was the clincher to learn emacs. i finally switched, back before clones like "vim" were in existence. [02:45:24] <twincest> dwc: all fairly low, and nearly all our data is innodb [02:45:44] <Gman> stevel, oooh, poo is fixed? ;) [02:45:51] <gdamore> if i had to do it over again, I might have switched to vim, and never learned emacs. [02:46:08] <Kronuz> gdamore: what's with the emacs thing eveybody says it's great? what does it do so well? an example [02:46:09] <printk> i absolutely love vim [02:46:10] <stevel> gman: looks that way :) [02:46:14] <Gman> rocking! [02:46:17] <stevel> gman: time to announce it [02:46:22] <Gman> hotness! [02:46:25] <Gman> stevel, dude, go for it! [02:46:32] * Gman is going to blog in the meantime [02:46:33] <Kronuz> (to me it just seemed very cryptic and hard to use) [02:46:42] <dwc-> twincest: no clue then... I can never keep all the mysql buffer/cache options straight.... good thing I'm not a dba [02:46:47] <gdamore> Kronuz: its just a really powerful editor. it can do a lot of things out of the box, and you can add functionality with lisp modules. [02:46:51] <twincest> dwc: heh, i'm a dba by default [02:46:58] <twincest> dwc: non-profits are great ;-D [02:47:05] <gdamore> but yeah, its cryptic and has a really really steep learning curve. [02:47:09] <dwc-> all I remember is that one of the buffers is allocated per-connection [02:47:11] <Kronuz> :( ... and I never cared for learning lisp... [02:47:12] <stevel> gman: it's your baby, you should announce it [02:47:36] <twincest> mysql donated us a year of free support but i think it expired :( [02:47:36] <dwc-> and that small sort buffers and index buffers make things slow [02:47:38] <Gman> stevel, nah, you did the work getting it to opensolaris.org which i'm entirely thankful for :) [02:47:39] <gdamore> i have only tidbits of lisp code for emacs that i've written, mostly config hackery [02:47:44] <printk> Kronuz: I'm not an emacs user, but it's a really powerful editor especially with a large development project [02:47:49] <twincest> which is a shame because mysql support are actually really great, however lame their product is [02:47:50] <dwc-> and so does linux swapping out mysqld to make room for its aggressive disk caching [02:47:57] <richlowe> lemme state for the record that 'poo' is even worse than 'pos'? [02:48:08] <printk> Kronuz: alot of people use it for development, writing code etc.. but then again so is vi :P [02:48:13] <stevel> richlowe: :-) [02:48:52] <gdamore> emacs is _far_ more powerful than stock vi. and probably also than vim, though truth be told, I would probably be happy with vim, if I hadn't already gone to the trouble of learning emacs. [02:48:58] <Kronuz> not learning lisp is then maybe a good addition to my list of bad decisions (just besides going after DOS/Windows in the beginning and the core installation) [02:49:20] <Gman> stevel, can you setup a re-direct from grommit? [02:49:29] <printk> gdamore: oh yah, emacs is far more powerful.. all though I think you can add different plugins and modules to vim here and there to beef it up to emacs standard.. but you are correct... just a very steep learning curve :) [02:49:31] <stevel> gman: yup [02:49:39] <Gman> sweet! [02:49:44] <gdamore> Kronuz: i dunno. i would be happy not to know lisp. :-) it never shows up except in emacs (and once long ago with a certain AFS project) [02:50:19] <Kronuz> I sort of know how it works, but I haven't really programmed anything in it [02:50:20] <hile> howdy Gman [02:50:27] <Gman> hi hile [02:50:40] <gdamore> somewhere someone sent me a picture of learning curves or different editors. [02:50:47] <printk> Kronuz: there isn't terribly too much stuff going on with lisp these days] [02:50:48] <gdamore> note pad was a flat line. [02:50:54] *** Joe8 has quit IRC [02:51:03] <printk> shit, note pad is more confusing to me than vi [02:51:06] <Kronuz> printk: I think AutoCAD still uses it doesn't it? [02:51:06] <gdamore> wordpad was a logarithmic line [02:51:07] <printk> mouse? clicking? pfft [02:51:17] <printk> Kronuz: no clue [02:51:18] <gdamore> vi was exponential. [02:51:23] <gdamore> and emacs was a spiral. [02:51:25] <Kronuz> printk: yeah, I think so [02:51:38] <printk> heh a spiral [02:51:43] <Kronuz> I belive I've programmed a couple things there and it looks like lisp [02:51:46] <printk> so the more you know you the more confused you get? :) [02:51:55] <gdamore> something like that. :-) [02:52:02] <Gman> stevel, i probably don't need a grommit account anymore either :) [02:52:21] <Kronuz> printk: oh, so that's why I'm so confused all the time! [02:52:22] * printk encourages his ON compile [02:52:23] *** hile is now known as hile_ [02:52:24] <Kronuz> lol [02:52:31] <printk> Kronuz: :P [02:52:33] <Gman> [though i'm sure i can think up some new initiative to work on] [02:52:34] <gdamore> i guess for doing certain kinds of natural language processing languages like lisp are convenient. [02:52:54] * printk ponders how hard it'd be to port 915resolution to opensolaris [02:53:02] <Kronuz> gdamore: yep, that's what I also used it for once (long ago) [02:53:16] <gdamore> http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060302.html [02:53:23] <stevel> gman: 'k. i'll mark it as unloginable for security reasons, but i'll keep it around in case you want to muck around with stuff in the future [02:53:36] <Kronuz> gdamore: I guess I'll stick to vim then [02:53:37] <Gman> stevel, ok, cool [02:54:03] <Kronuz> c'mon notepadeshould be a flat line at the bottom [02:54:05] <Gman> stevel, thanks btw :) [02:54:14] <printk> gdamore: ah yah i'd say vi is right on the money too... probably a little tedious to remember but once you get it down it's like riding a bike [02:54:21] <printk> (looking at your link) [02:54:58] <gdamore> i like the "vi" graph. [02:55:26] <stevel> gman: np. the redirect is setup now [02:55:33] <Gman> nice [02:56:26] *** fik has quit IRC [02:57:30] <Kronuz> gdamore: is vim in the Solaris installation disc? [02:57:46] <Auralis> its on the companion disk [02:57:53] <Kronuz> oh [02:58:02] * gdamore doesn't use vim. [02:59:00] <dwc-> if you install sunstudio, it's in there too [02:59:49] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [03:00:25] <gdamore> hmm... does vim have the equivalent of emacs autoindent mode? [03:00:40] <delewis> even vi has auto-indent [03:00:44] <Stric> :set ai [03:00:55] <gdamore> vi's autoindent sucks. [03:00:57] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [03:01:16] <Stric> vim has language dependant indenting too [03:01:35] <Kronuz> I suppose vim is okay to learn [03:01:47] <dwc-> vim has cindent and smartindent [03:01:48] <Kronuz> no reason to go crazy with emacs curve [03:02:21] <Stric> dwc-: :filetype indent on and then load the file [03:02:33] <dwc-> but, vi's also only like 200-300k, so.... [03:03:01] <dwc-> yes, it goes with the pretty language-dependent syntax highlighting too [03:03:25] <twincest> grr, fucking cable modem [03:04:02] <stevel> gman: announcement sent [03:04:34] <richlowe> Gman: nice, btw. [03:06:26] <Gman> brb guys [03:06:31] *** Gman has quit IRC [03:06:34] <Kronuz> is there no vim for non-X users? [03:07:16] <Stric> yeah, it's called "vim" [03:07:30] <dwc-> vim should not load up a gui... gvim should [03:07:31] <Kronuz> SFWvim needs X stuff [03:07:32] <Stric> whereas the gui version is gvim [03:07:49] <Kronuz> (as dependencies) [03:08:00] <Stric> it depends on how it's compiled and packaged [03:08:01] <Wez> you can build it without x [03:08:12] <Kronuz> I guess I'll have to build it then [03:08:37] <Kronuz> what's with the X... [03:08:49] <Kronuz> eveything wants it (as if everybody used it) [03:09:00] <Kronuz> ^_^ [03:09:55] <twincest> why don't you just install X [03:10:04] <Kronuz> because... [03:10:17] <Kronuz> I don't like it that much [03:10:20] <dwc-> I install the xlibs, even if I don't run the xserver ... so I can xforward things and such [03:10:22] <twincest> you don't have to use it [03:10:29] <twincest> just install the dependencies [03:10:30] <Kronuz> GUIs are overrated [03:10:47] <dwc-> and I agree... but I install them anyways [03:10:51] <Kronuz> that's the point, if I won't use it why would I want all the stuff there [03:11:04] <Kronuz> it takes too much space [03:11:16] <Kronuz> (I'm the core install guy, remember? :P) [03:11:20] <Kronuz> lol [03:11:25] <delewis> you're complaining about a couple hundred MBs for the X11 libs? [03:11:32] <Kronuz> <.< [03:11:33] <Kronuz> >.> [03:11:34] * delewis notes this is 2006 [03:11:46] <Kronuz> still [03:11:51] <Kronuz> it shouldn't be needed [03:12:02] * dwc- notes that x libs used to fit in much less than 200mb [03:12:13] <dwc-> bloat, bloat I say! [03:12:18] *** gman has joined #opensolaris [03:12:39] <gman> jmcp, is daniel zhu sitting anywhere near you? [03:12:42] <Kronuz> I believe X is something a server doesn't need at all [03:12:53] <delewis> Kronuz, I'm not really sure why I understand that you find X11 libs to be not needed. [03:12:56] <Kronuz> it's okay for desktops, but not for servers... I find it useless [03:13:02] <delewis> Kronuz, that is a mis-conception. [03:13:24] <delewis> you do know that you to forward an X session from the 'server' to your workstation requires the presence of the X11 libs? [03:14:05] <Wez> but if you only use cli tools, you don't need to forward X [03:14:25] <Kronuz> yeah, why would one want to forward an X session from the server? [03:14:28] <Kronuz> ^_^ [03:15:21] <Kronuz> I just think X should be optional, but these days it comes closer and closer to be always needed [03:15:42] <Kronuz> vim for instance, why does the vim package asks for X to be installed [03:15:54] <Kronuz> if it's a text app [03:15:56] <boyd> For gvim I'd assume [03:16:05] <boyd> Which vim package do you mean? [03:16:14] <Kronuz> gvim is alright, but the package is SFWvim [03:16:27] <delewis> gvim is in SFWvim, I would presume. [03:16:39] <Kronuz> me too.. don't know why tho :P [03:16:42] <delewis> this is analogous to emacs-x11 and emacs. [03:16:43] <Wez> it would be nice if gvim was in a different package [03:16:48] <boyd> gvim is not really a seperate app [03:17:00] <Wez> IMO, it is [03:17:10] <Kronuz> in mine too [03:17:11] <Wez> behaves differently out of the box [03:17:31] <Kronuz> besides it has tha g in it... maybe that's the reason... spreads like a cancer ^_^ [03:17:47] <Kronuz> j/k [03:17:56] <boyd> It matters less what your opinion is than how it's built [03:17:57] <jmcp> gman: not sure ... he might be [03:19:09] *** simford has joined #opensolaris [03:19:16] <Wez> boyd: how about our opinions on how it's built? ;-) [03:19:48] <Wez> if you equate it to emacs, there's a separate package for the gui version [03:19:50] <boyd> Well, clearly *my* opinions are worth more :) [03:19:57] <Kronuz> lol [03:20:00] <Wez> it would be nice if there was a separate gui package for vim too [03:20:02] <Wez> hehe [03:20:12] <Kronuz> it would [03:20:14] <Kronuz> reall [03:20:15] <gman> jmcp, any chance you can get him onto irc? :) [03:20:16] <Wez> let he who has karma do as he wishes :) [03:20:20] <boyd> Actually I agree it would be. [03:20:56] <Wez> I understand the backwards compatibility thing [03:20:57] <kAv_> http://picasaweb.google.com/cdibona/RIPGoogleMasterPlan/photo#4979945846336323602 [03:21:01] <kAv_> googles master plan [03:21:08] <robg> jcmp: Hey dude, I'm stuck on one tiny little syntax issue for inline assembly can you help me please!! [03:21:10] <Wez> probably too late to change it now [03:21:19] <jmcp> gman: I'll check .... [03:21:28] <jmcp> robg: maybe [03:21:35] <jmcp> robg: ask away, and I'll see what I can do [03:21:39] <jmcp> gman: int or ext? [03:21:51] <hile_> howdy jmcp [03:21:54] <gman> either, i'm not fussy ;) [03:22:07] <Kronuz> I wonder what would happen if I install the vim package without X [03:22:14] <robg> jcmp: can I email it to you? [03:22:17] <Kronuz> ... would the command line vim work.... [03:22:22] <Wez> I doubt it [03:22:27] <delewis> Kronuz, it should. [03:22:35] <delewis> I doubt 'vim' is linked to any of the X11 libs. [03:22:37] <Wez> if you build with x, even the cli version will use x to update xterm title bars [03:22:39] <delewis> that would be 'gvim' [03:22:40] <mlh> 'cept not for root, as if it matters [03:22:54] <mlh> unless the lib dir was blessed [03:23:02] <jmcp> gman: can't see him, sorry [03:23:08] <Kronuz> and it's not even X only... it's GTK as well :P [03:23:09] <Wez> delewis: unless they changed something in the last 10 years (since I last looked) vim does link against X [03:23:14] <boyd> Wez: There is no need to use X for that [03:23:16] <gman> jmcp, ok, no worries [03:23:19] *** kimc has left #opensolaris [03:23:30] <boyd> Escape sequences would do [03:23:31] <Kronuz> I'm telling you, this is unacceptable, unacceptable! [03:23:35] <Kronuz> :P [03:23:39] <Wez> boyd: I definitely recall it linking to X for something xtermish [03:23:48] <mlh> Wez: unless you do two builds, one --with-x, and one --without-x (obviously) [03:23:57] <Wez> it could easily have changed since I last encountered that though [03:24:00] <boyd> Yeah, there is something, and that may be it, but it's not needed. [03:24:01] <mlh> this is what they do most linuxes afaik [03:24:13] <boyd> Wez: Actually, it may be the xterm mouse thing [03:24:21] <Wez> you don't need X libs for that either [03:24:31] <boyd> Hmm... no you're right [03:24:46] <Wez> my memories of this are distant and IRIXish [03:25:03] <boyd> brendang has a blog about this somewhere [03:25:16] <Kronuz> hey, is there a way to install Solaris without X from the installation disc without having to install the core only? [03:25:30] <ShadowHntr> x86 or sparc [03:25:57] <delewis> 68000 [03:26:20] <Wez> my favourite [03:26:59] <Auralis> Kronuz: you can deselte the stuff you don't want when customizing the install cluster [03:27:22] <Kronuz> hmm [03:27:48] <Kronuz> 'cause it definitely sounds easier than swtching discs like crazy to install packages after the core install [03:28:12] *** jcea has quit IRC [03:28:54] <Kronuz> ... finally installing vim (I hope it works) [03:29:29] <delewis> Kronuz, download the DVD or use Jumpstart. [03:29:38] <Kronuz> what's the Jumpstart? [03:29:58] <delewis> docs.sun.com has all the answers. [03:30:23] <richlowe> it just makes them a pain in the ass to search for. [03:30:25] <Kronuz> agrrh! vim was supposedly installed but the binary is not there [03:32:33] <mlh> not where? [03:32:56] <Kronuz> not anywhere [03:33:19] <Kronuz> not in /bin /usr/local/bin /usr/sfw/bin ... not anywhere [03:35:39] <Auralis> /opt/sfw ? [03:35:47] <Stric> Anyone know of how intelligent zfs is with raidz wrt to "not having to read all disks if the zfs checksum block is ok" ? [03:35:57] *** rachel has joined #opensolaris [03:36:04] <Kronuz> oh, it is there [03:36:12] <Kronuz> Auralis: it's not in path tho' [03:36:22] <Stric> ie if I have a 3 disk raidz, it could read only from 2 disks and see if the checksum is ok.. then it doesn't have to bother the last disk [03:36:23] <Kronuz> (and I didn't know about it) [03:36:39] *** delewis has quit IRC [03:36:56] <Kronuz> how come there's /usr/sfw/bin and /opt/sfw/bin ? [03:37:20] <Stric> (so to read 3 blocks it could read data from disk 1+2, 2+3, 1+3 for a total of 2 iops per disk to get 3 fs iops) [03:37:23] <richlowe> the former is SFW, the latter is the Companion CD [03:37:24] <Kronuz> shouldn't it all be at /usr/local/bin ? [03:37:26] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [03:37:33] <richlowe> or, to be more honest "The former was a bad idea, the latter isn't" [03:37:41] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC [03:39:48] <Kronuz> hey who has that Solaris Internals book? [03:39:51] <Kronuz> is it good? [03:40:12] <Kronuz> or the "Performance and Tools: DTrace and MDB" [03:40:17] <jmcp> yes, it's *very* good. Both volumes [03:40:25] <jmcp> and the 1st edition is/was too [03:40:55] <timeless> hrm [03:40:57] <timeless> richlowe? [03:41:11] <timeless> i'm trying to diff -r a directory against a snapshot of the directory [03:41:21] <timeless> and the diff app is recursing infinitely [03:41:35] <Kronuz> jmcp: it's good in what way.. for whom? [03:41:47] <Kronuz> jmcp: really everybody who uses Solaris? [03:41:50] <timeless> i've done a diff -r using the same zfs directory and /tmp w/o any problems [03:43:13] <jmcp> Kronuz: for me, as a kernel developer, it's fantastic. For a system admin, there's a wealth of info there which is really handy as well. Probably more than a sysadmin would want.. but if you're curious about how things work under the hood it's really really good [03:43:49] <Kronuz> jmcp: I'm thinking about getting them [03:44:23] <Kronuz> still, there are some things I don't like about Solaris too much [03:44:39] <movement> gman: there? [03:44:53] <gman> movement, howdy [03:45:24] <movement> hmm never mind. but hello [03:45:32] <jmcp> Kronuz: depends on what you want. [03:45:48] <gman> movement, :) [03:45:53] <Kronuz> jmcp: like for instance the structure of the directories, all the */bin there seem to be: /opt/sfw/bin /usr/bin /usr/sfw/bin /usr/local/bin... and the otheres I haven't found out about [03:46:00] *** chowmeined has joined #opensolaris [03:46:14] <Kronuz> jmcp: or the way there still are binaries (links, but still) at /etc [03:46:59] <jmcp> Kronuz: perhaps you've heard of something called Posix, and another thing called the Single Unix Specification (SUSv3) ? [03:47:13] <Kronuz> I truly like the structure FreeBSD has... but not the lack of support by manufacturers (and in a way the philosophy of the FreeBSD team) :( [03:47:28] <Kronuz> jmcp: yep [03:48:26] <Kronuz> jmcp: is solaris SUS complaint? [03:48:34] <jmcp> Kronuz: yes. a BIG yes to that [03:48:42] <Kronuz> hmm [03:48:45] <jmcp> so you understand therefore why Solaris has certain things done in certain ways [03:48:50] <Kronuz> I guess I'll have to read the specs [03:49:34] <Kronuz> jmcp: still, don't you think it's odd to have that many bin directories and stuff? [03:49:52] <Kronuz> jmcp: 'cause I'd like to see your point if you don't... [03:49:59] <richlowe> Some of them are foolish, others aren't. [03:50:24] <richlowe> xpg4 and xpg6 allow for mutually conflicting standards to be supported (in theory, though some of the differences are unnecessary) [03:51:14] <richlowe> things like /usr/sfw however, while probably sensible ideas at the time, were pretty long in the tooth as concepts by the time they actually appeared in a release. [03:51:15] <jmcp> Kronuz: There have been many arguments inside Sun about what to do about where binaries get installed [03:51:25] <jmcp> I watch those arguments, and I do not participate [03:51:41] <richlowe> generally feeling right now is that /usr/sfw should go away. [03:51:46] <richlowe> who knows what people may think tomorrow? [03:51:49] <printk> I was reading on a opensolaris forum (i lost the link now, trying to find it) that 915resolution was ported to opensolaris and will be available shortly to public... anyone know about this? [03:51:58] <jmcp> jmcp: I work at the kernel level, not userland, so I take what I'm given when it comes to filesystem locations [03:52:09] <richlowe> he also talks to himself. [03:52:14] <hile_> richlowe: i agree with that sentiment [03:52:15] <richlowe> (another side-effect of kernel work) [03:52:19] <hile_> LOL [03:53:01] <Kronuz> I find it hard to understand... there are too many small things like this I dislike about Solaris... [03:53:16] <jmcp> richlowe: only when there's nobody else around [03:53:30] <timeless> jmcp: any ideas why diff might go off into the weeds while recursing through ./.zfs/snapshot/a_snap_shot/ ? [03:53:50] <jmcp> Kronuz: so is that dislike founded a *researched* understanding of Solaris, or just first impressions without a basis in facts? [03:53:59] <jmcp> timeless: no, nfi sorry [03:54:18] <Kronuz> jmcp: just impressions and comparing to FreeBSD mostly [03:54:26] <richlowe> possibly. [03:54:41] <Kronuz> jmcp: I just loved the way FreeBSD organized stuff (seems so clean) [03:54:53] <jmcp> Kronuz: so go and research stuff so you understand why things are different on Solaris to FreeBSD, and *then* complain [03:56:20] <Kronuz> jmcp: I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to justify the differences and weight the two ways of doing it [03:57:40] <printk> I'm about to aquire 150+ solaris boxen so I've installed opensolaris on this spare laptop to get more familiar (haven't really used since sunos 4.1.3 lol) So far I do like it alot [03:58:26] <Kronuz> jmcp: think of it as I hated linux 'cause it's messy, then I find FreeBSD where everything is very clean and well designed, then I find Solaris where it seems to be very well designed and nice, but it goes back to a messy filesystem (or so it seemed)... not messy like linux, that's total chaos [03:59:43] <printk> Kronuz: i do know what you mean tho, organization seems a little funny to me too... but honestly it is more organized and it's not in chaos. Chaos is having every single binary in /usr/bin for example, all though it may seem easier at first. [04:00:44] <Kronuz> printk: yeah, or chaos like with linux where every distro has it's "best" way of doing it [04:01:07] <printk> yah there are alot of bad linux distros.. all though I do like linux alot. [04:01:11] <Kronuz> (without even founding the decisions) [04:01:53] <jbk> ok.. now to see if we can successfully shut down this rac cluster without causing a reboot :) [04:01:57] * jbk gets the chicken bones ready [04:02:10] <printk> what's your guys takes on these opensolaris GNU distros? like belenix etc? [04:02:12] <jmcp> jbk: you'll be lucky [04:02:24] * printk crosses fingers for jbk :) [04:02:31] <robg> jcmp: Please take a look at http://www.onslowkids.wellington.net.nz/other/inline.txt and see if you can ease my pain. [04:02:37] <jbk> well if not, it just means it'll take longer to install these patches [04:02:58] <jmcp> jbk: hope you made the appropriate sacrifices already [04:03:46] <Kronuz> jmcp: hey, so Solaris has the license of using the Unix name? [04:03:58] <jbk> i'll soon find out :) [04:04:04] <printk> Kronuz: nope [04:04:07] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [04:05:50] <Kronuz> printk: but it does have certification or something from the Open Group? [04:06:20] <jbk> it wouldn't be so bad except this is an 25k domain, so reboots tend to take a bit longer [04:06:43] <printk> Kronuz: oh thought you were asking something else... honestly not sure [04:06:47] <gman> richlowe, movement: can you remember the kmdb bug id about the memory problem? [04:07:09] <Kronuz> (seeing it's SUSv3 compliant) [04:07:28] <Kronuz> I thought those specs were not used by anyone :P [04:07:30] <jmcp> Kronuz: back in 1992 or 1993 Sun paid $$lots for a permanent, irrevocable license to use the name Unix, and to ensure that all IP that Sun developed for Solaris and follow-on OS incarnations would be solely Sun's property [04:07:34] <Auralis> Solaris is certified by the opengroup yes [04:07:53] <printk> it is certified, I thought Kronuz was asking if Sun owned the name UNIX [04:08:30] <jmcp> robg: I don't know how to answer that question, sorry. How about you email the compiler interest lists? [04:08:55] <jmcp> printk: Sun owns the right to say that Solaris is an implementation of UNIX [04:09:12] <richlowe> gman: not off the top of my head, but I can try and refind it. [04:09:20] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [04:09:23] <printk> jmcp: ok, but opengroup or Open/X owns the name UNIX? [04:09:31] <delewis> ugh, Nautilus is freezing every single time I try to drag and drop a file. [04:09:39] <Kronuz> jmcp: permanent, irrevocable and exclusive license? [04:09:42] <delewis> according to b.o.o this bug has been closed as not reproducible [04:09:54] <gman> richlowe, i'm trying here, and trying to avoid launching bugster [04:09:56] <Auralis> delewis: use rox, its much lighter as well [04:10:01] <delewis> but let me tell you, I'm seeing it every time I try to drag and drop a file -- even over SSGD. [04:10:26] <robg> jmcp: Where are the compiler interest lists found? [04:10:29] <jmcp> printk: yes [04:10:50] <jmcp> Kronuz: that is what I recall, yes [04:10:59] <delewis> Auralis, if rox were only shipped with Solaris by default, I'd switch in a heart-beat. [04:10:59] <Kronuz> oh [04:11:08] <delewis> Nautilus quality is really sliding on Solaris/SPARC, IMO. [04:11:35] <richlowe> gman: why are you avoiding bugster? [04:11:41] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [04:11:48] <gman> richlowe, slow as hell on this machine [04:12:11] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [04:12:53] <richlowe> ah [04:13:21] <delewis> gman, any thoughts on Nautilus freezing? [04:13:32] <printk> server tasks aside, which is given to due well at. Opensolaris is a great desktop/workstation, I was suprised to see even flash+firefox works out of the box for me. [04:15:10] <nachox> flash crashes firefox very often here, so much i had to disable it [04:15:19] * jmcp installed flashblock [04:15:29] <gman> delewis, pstack it if possible [04:15:32] <printk> ah, well only been using it one day... not a biggie i hate flash with a passion [04:15:37] <printk> was just suprised to see it working [04:16:26] <delewis> gman, one moment [04:18:51] <delewis> gman, http://paste.lisp.org/display/30846 [04:19:02] <delewis> and I can reproduce this on a local X11 server, a remote X11 server, and over SSGD. [04:19:29] <Kronuz> okay, I'm going now... [04:19:32] <Kronuz> thanks jmcp [04:19:35] <nachox> that is drag and crash? [04:19:42] <delewis> nachox, yep. [04:19:43] <Kronuz> thank you too printk [04:20:12] <movement> gman: running out mem on sparc? [04:20:23] <Kronuz> gdamore, twincest, thanks :) [04:20:27] <Kronuz> g'night [04:20:28] <richlowe> movement: it was a boot-loaded kmdb fault, iirc. [04:20:30] <gman> movement, was it only sparc? hrm [04:20:32] <gdamore> g'night [04:20:33] <richlowe> I'm not sure it was actually memory related. [04:20:36] <printk> night Kronuz [04:20:41] <jmcp> Kronuz: you're welcoem [04:20:42] *** Kronuz has left #OpenSolaris [04:20:42] <movement> what bug are you referring to then? [04:20:44] <jmcp> welcome, too [04:20:51] <gman> delewis, if you can recreate on build 53 then i'm definitely interested [04:20:51] <richlowe> movement: that is, in fact, the problem. :) [04:21:05] <gman> delewis, you'll have to wait until snv53 is out though admittedly [04:21:08] <movement> 6393369? [04:21:09] <delewis> gman, this is nv52. [04:21:18] <delewis> and I've been able to reproduce it since nv48. [04:21:25] *** Kronuz has joined #OpenSolaris [04:21:28] <Kronuz> oh, I forgot [04:21:42] <Kronuz> how do you add the paths to those other bin directories? [04:22:02] <Kronuz> the /opt/sfw/bin /usr/sfw/bin... etc... [04:22:38] <onbot> commit by Peter Memishian: 6496846 dladm error message handling is a mess; 6496888 dladm string-to-number conversion is tedious; 6496893 dladm string-handling nits; 6497292 libwladm and libdladm error strings not internationalized [04:22:40] <hile_> update your PATH [04:22:50] <Kronuz> hile_: <.< [04:22:51] <Kronuz> >.> [04:22:54] <gman> delewis, yeah, nautilus --version gives you 2.14.x? [04:23:10] <delewis> gman, 2.14.1 to be precise [04:23:48] <Kronuz> nevermind, I'll google it later [04:23:49] <Kronuz> night [04:23:50] *** Kronuz has left #OpenSolaris [04:23:56] <gman> snv53 has 2.16 which is what i've been running for a while [04:24:31] <delewis> alright, I'll try reproducing it on snv53 when it is released then. [04:24:38] <printk> how does one get svn53 before it's released? CVS repos for developers? [04:25:00] <jmcp> printk: go to the ON page on opensolaris.org and grab a nightly build [04:26:04] <printk> i am actually compiling ON right now, from the onnv-gate repo which was synced just a few hours ago... is that the same thing? [04:26:19] <stevel> that will get you ON, but not JDS [04:26:41] <jmcp> stevel: good point. [04:26:46] <jmcp> I was just about to point that out too .... [04:26:54] <gman> you can build jds [04:27:05] <gman> just a little more involved [04:27:16] <printk> is that what is called "JDS Consolidation" ? [04:27:25] <printk> i'm following an article on blastwave.org [04:27:27] <gman> yeah [04:27:32] <nachox> stevel: is it possible to have a planet link in the osol main page under connect? [04:27:36] <gman> it's the gnome desktop and other bits and pieces [04:27:55] <printk> yah ok i'm going to do that next, so then hopefully i should have a current ON + JDS [04:28:00] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [04:28:17] *** icon has joined #opensolaris [04:28:51] <jbk> well.. so far so good.. [04:28:58] <icon> ahh [04:29:01] <icon> finally back! [04:29:06] <icon> !seen Gman [04:29:07] <Drone> gman is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 28 Nov 2006 03:30 GMT, saying 'it's the gnome desktop and other bits and pieces'. [04:29:15] <gman> 'sup [04:29:24] <icon> heya gman... did you happen to get that email last week? [04:29:30] <gman> about? [04:29:31] <stevel> nachox: not sure, lemme check [04:29:32] <icon> just moved so the servers have been done [04:29:35] <icon> planet solaris [04:29:53] <icon> i was interested in getting on the roll [04:30:12] <gman> yeah, you didn't give me your blog address [04:30:24] <icon> ahh sorry about that [04:30:27] <gman> if you're doing cool rad things with opensolaris, then you'll get on [04:30:37] <gman> if you're just hanging out on irc and replying to mails, perhaps not [04:30:38] <icon> i hope the ports collection counts ;) [04:30:50] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [04:30:53] <gman> yeah [04:31:03] <icon> just started a fresh one, so there isnt much on there at the moment, but i havent started on the opensol section yet [04:31:06] <gman> how's it going? [04:31:11] <icon> its going very well [04:31:22] <icon> the holidays and the move have sucked up the last week or so, getting back into things now [04:31:24] <printk> you're working on a ports collection icon? [04:31:33] <icon> printk: project leader [04:32:03] <printk> nice, is it going to be similiar to BSD ports? [04:32:12] <printk> or is that still in the works? :) [04:32:19] <icon> printk: similar but better :) [04:32:24] <icon> gman: http://www.jroller.com/page/icon/ [04:32:24] <printk> good to hear :) [04:32:32] <printk> are you affiliated with blastewave.org? [04:32:35] <icon> its quite new, so theres not much on there [04:32:43] <icon> im not, but i talk with dennis quite a bit [04:33:11] <icon> hes offered hardware support, and were looking at merging the two efforts someday provided we can get something working for everyone [04:33:45] <printk> nice [04:34:37] *** yongsun has quit IRC [04:34:38] <stevel> nachox: done [04:34:49] <nachox> :) thanks [04:35:32] <stevel> gman: poo seems to be having trouble getting your blog for some reason [04:36:00] <gman> stevel, timeouts? [04:36:05] <stevel> yeah, looks that way [04:36:07] <gman> icon, can you mail me? :) [04:36:15] <gman> stevel, hrm, i've seen that problem with gnome.org previously [04:36:25] <stevel> yeah, it's taking me a while to pull up gnome.org [04:36:42] <richlowe> gman: can't even find it in my browser history. [04:36:47] <icon> gman: sure thing. privmsg your address? [04:36:49] <richlowe> though there is one CR that disappeared since I looked at it. [04:37:55] <gman> icon, glynn.foster at sun dot com [04:38:08] <icon> gman: what info do you need? [04:38:22] * nachox writes down that address in his to spam list [04:38:23] <gman> your blog address [04:38:30] <icon> roger; its on the way [04:41:51] <icon> gman: sent. thanks again [04:43:03] <gman> groovy, thanks! [04:43:38] <icon> sure thing [04:43:48] <boyd> Gman: Hey, are you still down on b53? Should I be looking forward to it or not? [04:44:07] <icon> alright, going back to work... have fun all [04:44:17] * icon & [04:44:39] * jmcp heads off for lunch [04:46:06] <gman> boyd, i'm on b53 [04:46:08] <gman> and it's sweet. [04:46:28] <boyd> Oh, cool... I thought you had many bugfs last week about it [04:46:39] <richlowe> Yeah, I was wondering how many alanc ended up filing. [04:47:27] <gman> yeah, i think there's about 65+ bugs fixed going into b54 though [04:47:32] <gman> not many i don't think [04:48:20] <boyd> ... but it's like, usable, obviously [04:49:43] * boyd reads jmcp's blog. Soft queenslanders! [04:51:09] <Tpenta> I'm seeing some problems with b53 and GiMenu [04:51:21] <Tpenta> involving machine hangs [04:51:29] <boyd> What's GiMenu? [04:52:30] <gman> inetmenu [04:52:36] <gman> i assume [04:52:37] <boyd> Ah [04:52:52] <Tpenta> yes [04:54:31] * twincest returns [04:56:34] <Jiko> boyd: so you'd enjoy a 35 degree celcuis day then? :) [04:56:43] *** CommGuru has joined #opensolaris [04:56:51] <boyd> I wouldn't say enjoy :) [04:57:15] <boyd> No shortage of them at home this time of year [04:58:33] *** robg has left #opensolaris [05:04:52] *** stevel has quit IRC [05:07:03] *** CommGuru has quit IRC [05:10:20] *** laca has quit IRC [05:11:06] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [05:12:32] *** pogma has quit IRC [05:12:35] *** pogma has joined #opensolaris [05:16:16] *** myren has left #opensolaris [05:16:44] <jbk> well i think i did it [05:16:55] <jbk> i guess that mushroom chicken i had for dinner counted as a sacrifice [05:26:10] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [05:27:38] <jbk> well almost [05:28:49] *** ojpitre has joined #opensolaris [05:29:22] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [05:31:38] *** ojpitre has joined #opensolaris [05:33:45] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [05:34:32] <dwc-> jmcp: when you travel anywhere, even when english is understood, grab a business card from the hotel [05:34:41] <dwc-> and just show it to the drivre [05:37:16] <dwc-> unless you're in a place where the driver's likely to be illiterate, of course [05:40:32] *** ojpitre has joined #opensolaris [05:44:08] <ojpitre> exit [05:44:11] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [05:44:39] <gman> it's weird seeing sound-juicer work on solaris now [05:44:44] <gman> totally rad [05:44:46] <gman> but weird [05:46:39] *** ojpitre has joined #opensolaris [05:47:02] *** gm152 has quit IRC [05:47:29] <richlowe> gman: does rhythmbox work? :) [05:47:48] <gman> yeah [05:49:04] <nachox> finally no more java mp3 player? [05:52:31] <dwc-> I've never used a java mp3 player .... [05:53:28] *** delewis has quit IRC [05:53:32] <nachox> well, that was the name of the player [05:53:43] <nachox> in jds that is [05:53:52] <nachox> or maybe java player? [05:53:54] <dwc-> ah... [05:53:57] <dwc-> I used mxaudio first [05:54:12] <dwc-> then xmms, mplayer, etc. [05:55:25] <nachox> xmms did weird things with time [05:57:18] <richlowe> but only if you hit 88mph. [06:00:07] <onbot> commit by anovick: 6493625 Identify PCI-E slot names and remove one USB port, cleanup [06:00:17] *** ojpitre has quit IRC [06:00:50] <nachox> ?! [06:03:42] <gisburn> nachox: onbot seems to report commits to the nevada repositors [06:03:47] <gisburn> repository [06:03:50] <richlowe> ON [06:03:53] <richlowe> well, onnv, yeah. [06:03:57] <richlowe> but not Nevada in general. [06:04:07] <onbot> commit by gt145670: 6228056 tcpd(1m) still talks about inetd.conf; 6451473 incomplete TCP wrapper documentation [06:04:52] <nachox> thought so [06:05:25] <nachox> well, off to bed [06:05:29] <nachox> nite all [06:05:34] *** nachox has left #opensolaris [06:06:35] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [06:09:54] <jmcp> dwc-: that's that I've been doing - the hotel business card thing. It's still annoying though [06:10:17] <jmcp> boyd: the sun is shining here today .... and the temp is just nudging 2C [06:10:20] <jmcp> so nyeh! [06:10:42] *** spike723_ has quit IRC [06:10:43] <boyd> :) [06:11:11] <Tpenta> we just got a thunderstorm in wyong [06:11:41] <boyd> Hmm... and I'm off to Artarmon tonight [06:11:53] <Tpenta> welcome to sunny sydney boyd ;) [06:11:59] <boyd> Hehe [06:12:27] <g4lt-U60> jmcp, how much snow do you have? ;P [06:12:31] <gman> Tpenta, we had a big one in chch yesterday [06:12:37] <gman> lots of hail, lightning and thunder [06:12:45] <Tpenta> came and went real quick [06:13:03] <Error_404> it's -22 [06:13:05] <Error_404> C [06:13:19] * boyd was camping on the Murray on the weekend. 40 deg, so I'm kinda glad of the rain [06:13:59] <boyd> jmcp: Is it windy? Or just calm cold? [06:14:35] [06:14:46] <richlowe> (I just like the idea of it being warmer than where jmcp is, for a change) [06:15:00] <boyd> Hehe [06:15:27] <jmcp> g4lt-U60: no snow yet [06:15:52] <jmcp> boyd: a slight breeze, worse in the campus windtunnel-y environment [06:16:01] <jmcp> richlowe: only for another few days ;) [06:16:04] <boyd> That'll make ya feel the cold [06:19:00] <g4lt-U60> 23?F, 1" snow, and more predicted tonight [06:20:04] <Error_404> only 23F? [06:20:12] <Error_404> that's right toasty [06:20:21] <awg> lol [06:20:24] <awg> agreed [06:20:32] * Error_404 does the math [06:20:50] <boyd> And once again the #opensolaris "My weather is more extreme than yours" pissing contest is in full flight :) [06:21:10] <awg> F that is [06:21:25] <g4lt-U60> Error_404, yeah, but it's melt/freezing on the roads, making things slickery [06:22:02] <g4lt-U60> awg compose o _ = ? [06:22:05] <richlowe> boyd: perhaps you'd prefer a licensing argument? :) [06:22:18] <boyd> Oh, god no! [06:22:28] <awg> g4lt-U60: hrm? [06:22:38] <boyd> richlowe: Or a shell one? [06:22:45] <g4lt-U60> my thermometers are CDDL ;P [06:23:20] <g4lt-U60> only tcsh can properly measure wind chills for hurricane force winds [06:23:31] <boyd> Woah... this monitor is telling my mac it can do 1344x1008. What a weird res! [06:28:28] <Doc> nope.. it's moerately common [06:28:33] <Doc> moderately too [06:28:42] <Doc> standard 4:3 ratio [06:28:55] <boyd> Really? Surprised I've never seen it then [06:29:30] <gisburn> does anyone know "yongsun" (<--- irc nick) ? 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[06:54:31] <Tpenta> umm no [06:54:45] <richlowe> Hm, I wonder how best to pull the -nd bits then. [06:54:58] <fred343> hi, can anyone help with a zoneadm question on solaris 10? [06:55:19] *** mv has quit IRC [06:55:43] <Error_404> just ask, someone'll reply [06:55:45] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC [06:56:02] *** Gr|ffous has joined #opensolaris [06:56:32] * g4lt-U60 wonders when 16x9 will be standard for monitors [06:57:38] <onbot> commit by ah89892: 6495870 usr/src/Makefile needs to recognise the non-debug encumbered binary deliverable [06:57:53] <gman> Tpenta, congrats :) [06:57:56] <Tpenta> :) [06:57:57] <richlowe> Tpenta: nice :) [06:58:16] <Tpenta> mark gave me the goahead if i was certain it wouldnt break the gate, so I ran a final check on x86 and sparfc [06:58:28] <Tpenta> that will be in b54 [06:58:46] <fred343> ok, so i created a virtual network for my newly created datazone. i think the network address was wrong, so i (according to the directions at http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/s10securityhowto.jsp ) added another interface [06:59:24] <fred343> the problem is that it is still using the old address...both entries still exist [06:59:27] <Tpenta> now apparantly if that breaks the gate i am up for copious alchohol [06:59:46] <richlowe> Hm, though apparently the issue with zday still isn't fixed. [06:59:50] <fred343> the result of 'export' [06:59:53] <fred343> ... [07:00:17] <fred343> zonecfg:datazone> export [07:00:19] <fred343> create -b [07:00:20] <fred343> set zonepath=/zones/datazone [07:00:22] <fred343> set autoboot=true [07:00:24] <fred343> add inherit-pkg-dir [07:00:25] <fred343> set dir=/lib [07:00:26] <fred343> end [07:00:28] <fred343> add inherit-pkg-dir [07:00:30] <fred343> set dir=/platform [07:00:31] <fred343> end [07:00:33] <fred343> add inherit-pkg-dir [07:00:34] <fred343> set dir=/sbin [07:00:36] <fred343> end [07:00:38] <fred343> add inherit-pkg-dir [07:00:39] <fred343> set dir=/usr [07:00:40] <fred343> end [07:00:42] <fred343> add fs [07:00:43] <fred343> set dir=/shared [07:00:45] <fred343> set special=/shared [07:00:46] <fred343> set type=lofs [07:00:48] <fred343> add options rw [07:00:50] <fred343> add options nodevices [07:00:51] <Error_404> christ [07:00:52] <fred343> add options noexec [07:00:53] <Error_404> use pastebin [07:00:54] <fred343> add options nosuid [07:00:56] <fred343> end [07:00:58] <fred343> add fs [07:01:00] <fred343> set dir=/shared/run [07:01:02] <fred343> set special=/shared/run [07:01:05] <fred343> set type=lofs [07:01:06] <fred343> add options ro [07:01:08] <fred343> add options nodevices [07:01:11] <fred343> add options noexec [07:01:12] <richlowe> what Error_404 said. [07:01:13] <fred343> add options nosuid [07:01:14] <fred343> end [07:01:16] <fred343> add fs [07:01:19] <fred343> set dir=/shared/logs [07:01:20] <fred343> set special=/shared/logs [07:01:21] <Error_404> STOP THAT NOW [07:01:23] <fred343> set type=lofs [07:01:24] <fred343> add options ro [07:01:26] <fred343> add options nodevices [07:01:29] <fred343> add options noexec [07:01:30] <fred343> add options nosuid [07:01:32] <fred343> end [07:01:34] <fred343> add net [07:01:37] <fred343> set address=10.0.0.200 [07:01:38] <fred343> set physical=bgel [07:01:39] <Error_404> /ignore-ed [07:01:40] <fred343> end [07:01:42] <fred343> add net [07:01:44] <fred343> set address=192.168.1.100 [07:01:46] <fred343> set physical=sfe0 [07:01:48] <fred343> end [07:01:50] <fred343> add attr [07:01:52] <fred343> set name=comment [07:01:54] <fred343> set type=string [07:01:56] <fred343> set value="Data Container" [07:01:58] <fred343> end [07:02:00] <fred343> sorry [07:02:02] <fred343> how do i do that [07:02:05] *** fred343 was kicked by Tpenta (flooding) [07:02:05] <jmcp> Tpenta: could you please /kick fred343 [07:02:08] <jmcp> ta [07:02:09] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [07:02:11] <Tpenta> like that? [07:02:34] <timeless> gisburn: you were looking for yongsun? [07:03:15] <gisburn> timeless: yeah, but I send the email already [07:03:34] * gisburn missed the lick [07:03:35] <gisburn> er [07:03:36] <gisburn> kick [07:03:44] <gisburn> stupid typo [07:03:49] *** gisburn is now known as nrubsig [07:03:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [07:04:37] *** Sieghard has quit IRC [07:04:57] <Tpenta> i've told him that he is welcome back but he should use a site like pastebin.ca [07:05:02] * timeless wonders if apache has any helpful dtrrace points [07:05:15] <Tpenta> and congratulated him on being the first person I've had to kick in 18 months of chanop [07:05:15] <timeless> preferably one that isn't slow :) [07:05:18] <Tpenta> :) [07:05:24] <timeless> heh [07:05:53] <nrubsig> Tpenta: need training ? [07:06:04] *** bugbotX has joined #opensolaris [07:06:05] <Tpenta> timeless, make friends and influence people, put them in :) [07:06:12] *** vestabot has joined #opensolaris [07:06:19] *** tock has joined #opensolaris [07:06:20] <timeless> huh? [07:06:34] <Tpenta> put dtrace probes into apache, the community will thank you :) [07:06:36] <nrubsig> Tpenta: three training targets to your personal disposal [07:06:40] <timeless> oh [07:06:50] <whaq> wow, flood [07:07:05] <nrubsig> Tpenta: do you want to kick them ? [07:07:06] <whaq> sup guys [07:07:18] <Tpenta> not really [07:07:39] *** tock was kicked by nrubsig (bot invasion smackback!) [07:07:51] *** bugbotX was kicked by nrubsig (bot invasion smackback!) [07:08:00] *** vestabot was kicked by nrubsig (bot invasion smackback!) [07:08:06] *** yongsun has quit IRC [07:08:08] <nrubsig> This feels... good... :-) [07:08:20] <Tpenta> nrubsig wait till you see rogers putback that just happened [07:08:39] <Tpenta> should eb onbotted shortly [07:08:39] <nrubsig> Tpenta: what did he do ? [07:08:49] <nrubsig> Tpenta: What did he do ? [07:09:02] <Tpenta> 6497353 bfu to an alternate root filesystem fails due to bug in ksh [07:09:19] <jmcp> nrubsig: at least the bug isn't marked against ksh93 :) [07:09:19] * Tpenta waits for the obligatory "you should rewrite it in ksh93" [07:09:20] <nrubsig> Tpenta: and what was his solution ? [07:09:31] <Tpenta> he fixed bfu.sh [07:09:40] <nrubsig> Tpenta: with what ? [07:09:51] <Tpenta> gimme a break he did the putback 3 minutes ago [07:11:28] <timeless> so that it works for people outside sun.com? [07:11:53] <jmcp> nrubsig: it's 3 or 4 lines [07:12:08] <Tpenta> put some variables in double quotes [07:12:17] <nrubsig> jmcp: let me guess... s/ksh/bash/ ? [07:12:24] * nrubsig sharpens his axe [07:12:24] <jmcp> nope, use quotes [07:12:41] <nrubsig> jmcp: hopefully not $"..." [07:12:54] <Tpenta> "$local_zone_info_file" [07:13:20] <nrubsig> did local_zone_file contain any special characters ? [07:13:54] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [07:14:01] *** fred343 has joined #opensolaris [07:14:05] <Tpenta> no idea [07:14:44] <fred343> sorry about all that, here's my output again http://pastebin.ca/260311 [07:15:38] *** solarx has joined #opensolaris [07:15:50] <fred343> i can't figure out why i have 2 'net' entries [07:15:58] <solarx> back again [07:16:07] <fred343> or how to delete one of them [07:16:55] <fred343> can anyone help? [07:17:06] <solarx> about? [07:17:53] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [07:18:04] <fred343> well, i'm using zonecfg and i added the net *part* or section or whatever you would call it, but i put in the wrong network interface name and ip [07:18:13] <g4lt-U60> nrubsig, no, s/ksh/tcsh/ ;P [07:18:30] <fred343> now there's two entries, and i need to delete one [07:18:51] <fred343> btw i did add a second one with the (probably) correct info [07:18:52] <nrubsig> g4lt-U60: you're interested in a life sentence in a pit with komodo dragons, right ? [07:19:06] <richlowe> man zonecfg, search for the remove command. [07:19:11] *** solarx has quit IRC [07:19:21] <fred343> ok, thnks [07:20:21] <dwc-> or find the file marked "do not edit" and edit it ;) [07:20:22] <g4lt-U60> nrubsig, only if you provide a LOT of bar-b-que sauce and liquid smoke [07:21:09] <g4lt-U60> them komodos is good eatin [07:22:07] <fred343> oh crap, maybe that's why that error message, saying "self-destruction imminent" keeps popping up [07:27:21] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [07:31:28] <printk> yay ON finished compiling [07:33:01] <fred343> ok...i tried 'remove net' to no avail. i'm not sure what to do about the 'property name' and 'property value' parts or if they're needed [07:35:18] <fred343> richlowe...still there? 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[07:39:20] <jmcp> precisely [07:39:43] <fred343> anywayz, i still need help using the remove command under zonecfg [07:39:48] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [07:39:48] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [07:39:48] *** printk has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** Teltariat has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** kFuQ has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** leal has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** Darwin has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** dwc- has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** elektronkind has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** Byron has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** neoxed has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** Plaidrab has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** myrkraverk has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** doownek has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** mustang has joined #opensolaris [07:39:49] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [07:39:50] *** zarathustra has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** pde has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** ferrox has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** ericr has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** cormac_ has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** phalenor- has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** sparkleytone has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** kiivi has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** ProfMikey has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** killing-joke has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** IvanR_ has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** boyd has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** sniffy has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** Kitty has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** hile_ has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** dvorak has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** nightswim has joined #opensolaris [07:39:51] *** asyd has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** ofu has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** PerterB has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** reflect has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** Error_404 has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** junks has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** Dar_HOME has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** g4lt-U60 has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** fgd has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** crib has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** Sporq has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** r3boot has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** Trident has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** cla| has joined #opensolaris [07:39:52] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [07:39:53] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris [07:40:12] <fred343> anywayz, i still need help using the remove command under zonecfg [07:40:27] <fred343> i can't figure out the syntax [07:41:44] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [07:42:23] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [07:42:30] <timeless> um, the man pages have examples [07:44:45] <fred343> ya, i'm looking at it, but i don't know what the resource type, property name, or property values are [07:45:14] <fred343> all i know is that one of them has to be 'net [07:45:35] <fred343> *'net' [07:46:08] <printk> ok rebooting newly compiled ON, hopefully i'm back up [07:46:14] *** printk has quit IRC [07:48:08] <onbot> commit by Roger Faulkner: 6497353 bfu to an alternate root filesystem fails due to bug in ksh [07:48:08] <onbot> commit by Raghuram Kothakota: 6458309 dscp names dependents badly; 6495817 sckmd service need a dependency on cryptosvc and network/initial [07:51:05] *** linma has quit IRC [07:53:31] *** bougie has quit IRC [07:56:09] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [07:57:25] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris [08:00:44] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [08:03:02] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [08:04:52] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [08:09:54] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [08:10:00] <fred343> anybody else wanna help with my container? 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[08:52:22] <nrubsig> steve__: bugs.grommit.com is down... ;-( [08:54:33] *** jmcp has quit IRC [08:59:42] <Doc> try bugs.wallace.com instead? [09:00:32] *** xinkeT has quit IRC [09:01:06] *** nwf has quit IRC [09:01:25] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:01:36] <nrubsig> Doc: not funny [09:02:18] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [09:07:33] *** xinkeT has joined #opensolaris [09:09:41] <Doc> out of cheese? [09:11:47] <tsoome> moin [09:19:41] <timeless> nrubsig? [09:20:04] <timeless> does keith m wesolowski have a list of reasons he didn't chose bugzilla? [09:24:52] *** fik has quit IRC [09:34:02] *** killing-joke has left #opensolaris [09:36:26] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [09:37:35] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [09:51:25] <timeless> so, i need to use a compiler in a zone, is sunstudio's directory standalone? [09:52:48] *** McBofh has joined #opensolaris [09:52:51] <LeftWing> Yeah, I mount /opt/SUNWspro via NFS from time to time. [09:53:18] <LeftWing> or ln -s /net/fileserver/opt/SUNWspro /opt/SUNWspro [09:53:34] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [09:54:05] <nrubsig> LeftWing: erm [09:54:20] <nrubsig> LeftWing: don't use softlinks for that, use lofs, please [09:54:28] * timeless used lofs [09:54:56] <noyb> gman: nice post on the blog a while back. The appeal to other Sun engineers... did you monitor the results? anyone new? [09:57:21] <timeless> is it bad form to add /opt/sfw = (global) /usr/sfw [09:58:08] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [09:59:34] <sgnut> I get a "java.lang.Throwable: ERROR: Failed to validate the digital signature(s)." when I do a smpatch update, any suggestion? [10:00:02] <LeftWing> nrubsig: I can use symbolic links if I feel like it. =P [10:00:20] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [10:01:10] <LeftWing> sgnut: Yes, use Patch Check Advanced (pca) instead. [10:01:16] <nrubsig> LeftWing: not for sun workshop [10:01:26] <LeftWing> nrubsig: Why not? [10:01:31] <sgnut> LeftWing: pca? I don't know pca... let me see... [10:01:38] <LeftWing> sgnut: Google knows. [10:03:13] <nrubsig> LeftWing: at least workshop/forte 7's dbx didn't like it. [10:03:29] <LeftWing> nrubsig: Well, Sun Studio 11 copes. [10:04:00] <LeftWing> If I cared enough / experienced problems I'd fungle with the automounter or use lofi mounts. But, for the limited compiling I do with an NFS-mounted compiler it's fine. [10:04:22] <sgnut> LeftWing: is it better pca than smpatch? [10:04:46] <LeftWing> sgnut: I prefer pca because it actually works when I use it, but your mileage may vary. [10:04:58] <LeftWing> Time to drive. [10:05:01] * LeftWing back later. [10:05:21] <sgnut> anyone more suggest pca rather than smpatch? :P [10:05:42] <asyd> pca ! [10:06:08] <sgnut> more votes? :P [10:06:34] <andersmo> +1 [10:06:35] <andersmo> =) [10:07:08] <andersmo> It's just a perl script, shouldn't cost much time and effort to take a look at it. =) [10:07:15] <sgnut> pca includes something like "smpatch analyze"? [10:08:35] *** solarx has joined #opensolaris [10:09:02] <solarx> [10:10:04] *** solarx has left #opensolaris [10:10:07] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:08] *** gman has quit IRC [10:10:50] *** gman has joined #opensolaris [10:10:52] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:13:01] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [10:13:50] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [10:15:55] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [10:16:39] *** nwf has quit IRC [10:18:45] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [10:24:42] <Berny> morning [10:24:58] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [10:30:20] <sgnut> Berny: morning, pca or smpatch? :P [10:31:00] <asyd> http://guses.org/conferences/pca_en.swf [10:31:35] <sgnut> asyd: nice :D [10:32:52] *** printk has joined #opensolaris [10:33:18] <Berny> sgnut: no patching today ;-P [10:33:32] <sgnut> woooooooooow my system show a lot of patches that should be applied xD [10:35:24] <timeless> hrm, maybe apt doesn't build w/ sunstudio? :( [10:36:31] <raph_ael> hello [10:36:51] <sgnut> ok you have conviced me... I'll use pca :D [10:37:50] * whaq <3 OpenSolaris [10:44:44] *** nrubsig was kicked by nrubsig (Self-termination of existance.) [10:47:40] <timeless> hrm [10:47:56] <timeless> /lib/cpp doesn't seem to support any env vars to specify INCLUDE path :( [10:49:18] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [10:51:07] *** printk has quit IRC [10:53:42] <sgnut> timeless: -I/directory/includes/files ? [10:53:59] <timeless> CPPFLAGS i think .. [10:54:12] <timeless> i'm trying to convince apt's configure to play nice [10:54:21] <sgnut> cpp -I/directory/includes/files file.c ? [10:54:43] <timeless> i'm not running commands, just giving configure vars until it stops yelping [10:55:17] <sgnut> yes... then CPPFLAGS maybe is your friend with the -I paramether [10:55:51] <timeless> yes, that got me to the next flag.. [10:58:34] * timeless tries to figure out why configure wants -MD [10:59:23] *** rachel has quit IRC [11:00:49] <sgnut> nice tool pca :D [11:01:31] *** mega has quit IRC [11:02:31] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [11:03:42] *** Kernel86|Laptop has joined #OpenSolaris [11:05:43] *** LordKing_ has joined #opensolaris [11:05:44] *** LordKing has quit IRC [11:05:45] <Berny> hmm, does blastwaves pkg-get have an option to install packages in the global zone only? [11:06:25] *** razrX_away is now known as razrX [11:06:44] <razrX> morning [11:06:59] <Berny> morning razrX [11:07:06] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [11:09:09] *** simford has quit IRC [11:10:25] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [11:18:51] <sgnut> morning razrX [11:22:04] <razrX> morning sgnut [11:24:15] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [11:24:50] <kimc> good morning [11:26:19] <sgnut> good morning [11:26:22] <sgnut> :P [11:28:53] <kimc> anyone familiar with setting up zones ? [11:29:07] <asyd> lot of people, just ask your question [11:29:44] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [11:31:18] <sgnut> be carefull with o-zone hole :P [11:31:57] <asyd> ahah [11:32:26] <sgnut> asyd: yes... bad joke :P [11:32:54] <kimc> ok, i'm trying to setup a test zone and followed some docs at an opensbsd.org sit [11:33:32] <kimc> did not work as advertised.. now i'd like to give it another shot [11:35:58] <kimc> i mentioned it here on the channel and the best comment was something like 'must be something wrong with your installation' [11:36:13] <kimc> mentioned it here on the channel and the best comment was something like 'must be something wrong with your installation' [11:36:22] <kimc> ..mentioned it here on the channel and the best comment was something like 'must be something wrong with your installation' [11:36:46] <kimc> sorry.. this irc software is a littl e buggy :( [11:37:01] <sgnut> kimc: what irc sw do u use? [11:37:07] <sgnut> :P [11:37:12] <kimc> its mirc [11:37:15] <sgnut> looooool [11:37:23] <sgnut> mirc for solaris? xD [11:37:39] <kimc> yeh well.. solaris is on the monitor next to it.. [11:37:56] <sgnut> irssi forever :D [11:38:25] <kimc> you're right, i should convert this machine to solaris too.. [11:39:36] <sgnut> and sorry.. I'm not familiarized with zones :( [11:39:44] <tomww> sgnut: yes .-) [11:40:04] <kimc> lets see how dclarke's setup goes from: http://www.blastwave.org/articles/DMC-0002/index.html [11:47:45] <kimc> ok.. installing the zone now [11:49:12] <sgnut> anyone knows why pca is installing a patch of mysql when I don't have installed it (mysql) on my system? [11:50:52] <kimc> zone is 80% installed [11:51:39] <Berny> sgnut: you sure that you don't have mysql in /usr/sfw ? [11:52:16] <kimc> 95%.. [11:52:29] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [11:52:36] <sgnut> Berny: wow yes.. it's installed... fucking old sysadm [11:52:42] <Berny> 8-) [11:53:23] <sgnut> I hate the sysadms that install sw that will not be used grrr [11:54:35] *** linma has quit IRC [11:54:47] <lplatypus> yeah, like /usr/sbin/shutdown, who needs that? [11:54:54] <LeftWing> Pssh, init 6. =) [11:55:37] <Gr|ffous> It took me a while to accustom myself to that change. [11:56:01] <sgnut> journaling filesystem + power button is enough xD [11:56:24] <timeless> journaling fs's are so 90s [11:59:00] <andersmo> So - zfs + "uadmin 1 1"? =) [11:59:43] <Gr|ffous> is zfs not based around the journaling concept in some way? [12:01:00] *** tsoome has quit IRC [12:01:28] <andersmo> Gr|ffous: no, as far as I understand it is based on a always-consistent tree structure. [12:03:16] <andersmo> Gr|ffous: A consistent ZFS is a tree structure on disk, and a new root of the tree is written for every transaction group that commits. That root points to valid subtrees. A subtree may be part of multiple trees. [12:03:17] <timeless> it's based on atomic changes [12:03:48] <timeless> w/ bubbling copies up a tree until you replace the root node [12:03:54] <timeless> at which point the atomic change is complete [12:04:05] <timeless> until then, the change hasn't happened [12:04:14] <timeless> at no point is the tree inconsistent [12:04:16] <andersmo> And ZFS has at least two fixed "arrays" on the disk where new roots (uberblocks) are written - and on startup the file system picks the most recent consistent uberblock. [12:04:44] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [12:05:51] <andersmo> ZFS isn't the first file system to be released for production use with "We don't need no steeenkin' fsck!", it remains to be seen if it's the first to keep that promise. ;) [12:07:48] <Gr|ffous> andersmo, I understand the tree structure for the CRCs, but the actual act of writing to the disk in an atomic way requires two writes as I understand it, much like a database and it's log file [12:07:53] <andersmo> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ondiskformatfinal.pdf <- Stuff to read if you want to know how ZFS works. [12:07:54] <Gr|ffous> the zfs version is the ZIL? [12:07:57] <lplatypus> blocks are not updated in-place, but rather changes result in a sequential stream of changed blocks being written, which kinda resembles a journal (at least in terms of write charactistics) [12:08:28] <Gr|ffous> lplatypus, that's probably more the point that I was wanting to check. Thanks [12:08:52] *** Bart__ has joined #opensolaris [12:08:55] <Bart__> hello [12:09:00] <Gr|ffous> andersmo, reading now. Thanks [12:09:03] *** miffe has quit IRC [12:09:08] [12:09:14] <Bart__> i mean with that JavaRConsole [12:09:28] [12:09:50] <andersmo> Gr|ffous: yeah. Instead of overwriting previous versions, new versions of blocks are written, and a new tree of blocks is constructed, rooted at a new uberblock. By the time the uberblock reaches the disk, the whole tree it points to is consistent. [12:09:55] <lasseoe> Bart: it's not supported. [12:10:02] <Bart__> what? [12:10:07] <Bart__> where does that stand [12:10:08] <lasseoe> browsers on OS X [12:10:13] <lasseoe> in the docs somewhere [12:10:27] <Bart__> no no.. i mean i download that file : jnlpgenerator-8.jnlp [12:10:32] <lasseoe> yes, I know! [12:10:35] <Bart__> then i double klick it [12:10:39] <Bart__> and then it starts correctly [12:10:49] [12:10:54] *** damienc has quit IRC [12:10:57] <Bart__> lasseoe but i need that on a paper [12:10:58] <Bart__> for my boss [12:11:01] <Bart__> realy important [12:11:02] <lasseoe> Bart: then read the docs [12:11:07] <Bart__> where [12:11:10] <lasseoe> docs.sun.com [12:11:11] <Bart__> i mean in witch docs [12:11:12] <Bart__> kk [12:11:26] [12:11:29] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [12:11:32] <Bart__> but i search now! [12:11:39] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris [12:12:49] <andersmo> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ondiskformat0822.pdf - oops, the link I pasted above was bad - here's a working one. [12:13:52] <Bart__> hey lasseoe you mean that one : http://docs.sun.com/source/819-1160-13/remote_console_app.html [12:14:31] <Bart__> but there is nothing about osx is not supportet [12:14:50] <dlynes_laptop> I'm guessing because dynamic linking works completely different in Solaris on SPARCs (using the PLT), use of the Sun linker is required as opposed to the GNU linker? [12:15:10] <lasseoe> TABLE 8-1 Client Installation Requirements [12:15:18] <lasseoe> OS X is not listed, hence it's not supported [12:24:24] <leal> hello... [12:24:39] <Bart__> ok [12:24:44] <Bart__> lasseoe thanks [12:25:46] *** ixterm has joined #opensolaris [12:26:07] <dlynes_laptop> Hrm...guess nobody here's a coder, or compiles anything from source :( [12:26:08] *** ixterm has quit IRC [12:28:00] <leal> What does mean: "Not_set" in solaris update? The software is not installed, or a "can't get it" (service plan)... [12:33:11] *** e57181 is now known as estibi_ [12:33:25] *** estibi_ is now known as estibi_job [12:35:11] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [12:35:17] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [12:35:40] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [12:39:39] <timeless> is there a simple way to install a fresh snv into a zone? (not shared) [12:40:00] <trygvis> svn? [12:40:08] <quasi> nevada [12:40:10] <sgnut> trygvis: subversion [12:40:19] <timeless> i don't think i typoed [12:40:21] <trygvis> right [12:40:39] <timeless> svn is what encouraged me to install snv [12:40:44] <trygvis> hehe [12:40:47] <timeless> it's also why i have no disk space [12:41:52] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [12:45:55] <Gr|ffous> does solaris 10 still use cron, or does smf do it? [12:46:14] <andersmo> smf isn't a cron replacement, afaik? [12:46:15] <LeftWing> Cron is certainly still present and used. [12:46:24] <razrX> Gr|ffous: cron still exists oc, smf ain't a replacement [12:46:37] <Gr|ffous> I must be thinking of launchd. Cheers [12:47:29] <razrX> launchd on mac os X ain't a replacement for cron either afaik [12:47:50] <Gr|ffous> I was pretty sure that it did the lot, which is what made it so amazing [12:48:11] <timeless> developer.apple.com/macosx/launchd.html [12:48:35] <razrX> i don't see the correlation between a scheduler and a daemon which handles stopping/starting of system services (init) [12:48:52] <timeless> In Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, Apple introduced a new system startup program called launchd. The launchd daemon takes over many tasks from cron, xinetd, mach_init, and init, which are UNIX programs that traditionally have handled system initialization, called systems scripts, run startup items, and generally prepared the system for the user. [12:49:23] <LeftWing> razrX: because you're starting/stopping tasks based on conditions; be it time-based or for events like 'system startup'. [12:49:50] <razrX> LeftWing: right [12:49:53] <timeless> launchd definitely can replace crond [12:50:09] <LeftWing> There's no real reason not to roll them into the one process, once you actually have a process that manages services rather than a collection of scripts called by init. [12:58:51] <leal> Somebody can explain me what is "NOT_set"? [13:04:52] <silk> in what context? [13:07:07] <timeless> woohoo hard drive arrived [13:08:08] *** calAFK is now known as calumb [13:16:03] *** mega has quit IRC [13:19:23] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [13:23:32] <sickness> morning all [13:23:52] <Berny> morning sickness [13:24:01] <Berny> .oO(sounds like being pregnant) [13:25:08] <lasseoe> you said what we're all thinking :) [13:26:45] *** Joker^ has joined #opensolaris [13:30:19] *** Joker^ has quit IRC [13:31:45] * McBofh wonders how long it'll be before we all get tired of that joke [13:31:52] <McBofh> heh ... a long time I reckon :) [13:32:12] <leal> silk: sorry, i was away... are you talking to me? 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[15:14:57] <twincest> azureus [15:16:08] <Cyrille> cp ;-) [15:16:41] <Berny> hmpf [15:16:52] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris [15:18:37] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [15:19:52] <r3boot> Berny: try rtorrent, it works in screen =) [15:20:39] <jengelh> mldonkey [15:23:28] * timeless looks for a friendly zpool add example [15:24:14] <whaq> me vouches for rtorrent [15:24:19] <whaq> er /me [15:27:16] <Berny> hmm azureus doesn't want to start anyway [15:27:38] *** calumb has quit IRC [15:30:23] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [15:31:39] * timeless tries to figure out if solaris even saw the new hard drive [15:34:21] <timeless> Nov 28 15:00:33 swift gda: [ID 243001 kern.info] Disk1: <Vendor 'Gen-ATA ' Product 'ST3320620AS '> [15:34:26] <timeless> i guess that's my new drive [15:34:42] <kiivi> format is your friend (just be careful). [15:34:57] <timeless> ah [15:37:08] <timeless> i just want to give the entire disk to zvol, [15:37:56] *** karrotx has quit IRC [15:39:31] <dlynes_laptop> Berny: how about the python bittorrent shell? [15:41:45] <trygvis> timeless: zpool add c1t0d0 IIRC [15:41:58] <timeless> it's c3d0 [15:42:09] <trygvis> you get the point :) [15:42:23] <timeless> do i have to go through the format stuff? [15:42:29] <lasseoe> no [15:42:31] <trygvis> no [15:42:44] <andersmo> zpool eats raw disks for breakfast. =) [15:42:51] <andersmo> And lunch. And dinner. [15:42:54] <trygvis> weee [15:42:59] <timeless> cannot open 'c3d0d0': no such device in /dev/dsk [15:43:16] <trygvis> d0d0 [15:43:19] <trygvis> should be t0d0 [15:43:22] *** nwf has quit IRC [15:43:44] <timeless> /dev/dsk/c3d0s1 ? [15:44:04] <andersmo> c3t0d0? [15:44:05] <lasseoe> timeless: devfsadm -v if you don't have links for your disk in /dev/dsk [15:44:07] <timeless> or /dev/dsk/c3d0p0 ? [15:44:08] <andersmo> ls /dev/dsk =) [15:44:17] <timeless> there are quite a few in /dev/dsk [15:44:21] <timeless> i'm reading it [15:44:30] <trygvis> c3d0s2 [15:44:37] <trygvis> or just c3d0 [15:44:51] * timeless sighs [15:44:52] <andersmo> c - controller, t - target, d - disk, s - slice [15:44:53] <timeless> that worked [15:44:58] <trygvis> andersmo: not on x86 [15:45:13] <andersmo> Nope, I'm used to sparc for solaris machines. 09 [15:45:14] <andersmo> =) [15:45:18] <timeless> root_pool 368G 67.5G 301G 18% ONLINE - [15:45:23] <timeless> much happier [15:45:29] <trygvis> \o/ [15:46:17] <timeless> ok, is there any way for me to encourage the system to reallocate across the devices? :) [15:47:12] <timeless> i guess just writing to the pool will do that for me :) [15:47:13] <trygvis> that won't help much as you'll loose all or nothing [15:47:14] <andersmo> copy everything. =) [15:47:25] <andersmo> (and then delete the source) [15:47:29] <trygvis> you'd have to create new files instead of copying [15:47:34] <trygvis> won't help with COW andersmo :) [15:47:48] <timeless> i could use svn [15:47:56] <timeless> since that doesn't believe in using proper copy apis :( [15:48:29] *** Darwin_ has joined #opensolaris [15:48:35] <andersmo> trygvis: Uhm, I wasn't thinking about hardlinking, I thought of plain old cp or rsync. Writes new copies. =) [15:51:29] * timeless considers trying to undo some partitions [15:51:41] <timeless> since i had rearranged everything to have <2g partitions [15:52:43] <timeless> i don't suppose there's a command to move the contents of a partition out to the containing folder and destroy the partition? :) [15:53:12] <lasseoe> timeless: rsync, cp, tar, the list goes on :) [15:53:50] <timeless> that has the problem that /theoretically/ if someone tries to grab the files while i'm busy renaming the partition/folder replacement, they won't see them :) [15:55:30] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [15:59:48] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [16:00:20] *** Darwin has quit IRC [16:04:22] <timeless> hrm [16:04:23] <timeless> ok [16:04:32] *** PosixUnix has joined #opensolaris [16:04:50] <timeless> so in theory rsync foopy/ foopy.0/ should collapse all the file systems under foopy [16:05:10] *** djgregor has quit IRC [16:06:03] <PosixUnix> I had plumbed a second nic I have on a mahine and set it's IP an netmask; running ifconfig shows me this nic , but I cannot ping it; I see that the "RUNNING" flag does not appear (but the UP flag DOES apprer) [16:06:13] <PosixUnix> s/apprer/appear [16:06:29] <PosixUnix> any ideas what should I do so that flag ("RUNNING" [16:06:48] <PosixUnix> ) will be availale assuming that this is the problem? 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[17:13:26] <axisys> PerterB: how do i check that ..hmm [17:14:22] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [17:15:10] <PerterB> well, ignore the comments and blank lines and see what's left :) Metaroot uses two lines like * Begin MDD root info (do not edit) and * End MDD root info (do not edit) to delimit where it puts its rootdev directive... I guess if one of those got lost it would whine [17:15:16] *** kleppari has quit IRC [17:16:52] <axisys> PerterB: this is how it looks http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8TepWD85.html [17:17:51] <PerterB> looks ok to me :( [17:18:03] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris [17:18:09] <PerterB> can you pastebin the whole thing? [17:19:50] *** boyd has quit IRC [17:20:35] <axisys> PerterB: sure .. one sec [17:23:07] <axisys> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BBoKDs25.html [17:24:12] <axisys> PerterB: this is what i want to be rootdev [17:24:14] <axisys> ls -al /dev/md/dsk/d10 [17:24:23] <axisys> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 37 Aug 24 2000 /dev/md/dsk/d10 -> ../../../devices/pseudo/md@0:0,10,blk [17:25:06] <PerterB> get rid of the '* Begin MDD root info (do not edit)' line... it has no matching '* End MDD root info (do not edit)' line so is probably confusing metaroot [17:27:34] <axisys> that did it [17:27:35] <axisys> wow! [17:27:48] <PerterB> :) [17:27:55] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [17:28:22] <axisys> maaann.. i thought all those *s means comment [17:28:27] <axisys> i guess not [17:28:30] *** Bart__ has quit IRC [17:28:34] <elektronkind> well they are comments [17:28:37] <axisys> or metaroot script is badly written [17:28:48] <sommerfeld> they are comments to the part of the kernel which reads the file [17:28:51] <axisys> why would removing a commen fixes it [17:28:52] <sommerfeld> but they are special markers to metaroot [17:29:12] <sommerfeld> those markers delimit the stuff which metaroot is responsible for managing. [17:29:30] <sommerfeld> if it finds one marker but not both of them it acts cautiously to avoid damaging the /etc/system file [17:29:57] <axisys> sommerfeld: but not telling why makes it hard to fix it :-) [17:29:58] <PerterB> which implies that somebody removed the 'end' line in spite of the "do not edit" comment :) [17:30:22] <axisys> PerterB: hmm [17:30:56] <axisys> PerterB: thanks a lot [17:30:58] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [17:37:40] *** Xh4 has joined #opensolaris [17:44:08] *** yippi has joined #opensolaris [17:44:31] <Error_404> my word... [17:44:36] <Error_404> its' -32C this morning [17:45:05] <quasi> Error_404: in your extra special freezer? 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[18:28:07] <jengelh> query all packages for cstdio [18:28:20] <jengelh> no idea if pkg* even supports that [18:29:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:31:15] *** damienc has quit IRC [18:31:23] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [18:31:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [18:31:26] *** stevel has left #opensolaris [18:31:30] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [18:31:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [18:31:46] *** stevel has quit IRC [18:32:02] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [18:32:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [18:32:20] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [18:33:20] *** Burana has quit IRC [18:38:57] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [18:41:15] <Kronuz> hey, Solaris has this /dev/poll right? [18:41:22] <elektronkind> yup [18:41:25] <Kronuz> is that essentially the same as /dev/epoll ? [18:41:26] *** deather has quit IRC [18:41:27] <leal> how can i create a chroot on solaris (to reinstall grub)? I mean, how i mount "/dev/", "/proc"... [18:41:51] <elektronkind> Kronuz: http://access1.sun.com/techarticles/devpoll.html [18:43:13] <quasi> elektronkind: that's rather old [18:43:42] <Kronuz> well, it's just that libevent uses /dev/epoll [18:43:44] <elektronkind> /dev/poll hasn't changed much... [18:43:59] <Kronuz> so I was wondering if I could make it use /dev/poll [18:44:07] <quasi> Kronuz: the new libevent supports solaris event ports as well [18:44:17] <Kronuz> oh, cool :) [18:48:04] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [18:50:18] <Kronuz> I'm already starting to evangelize Solaris ;) [18:50:52] *** Burana has quit IRC [18:50:53] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [18:51:02] <Kronuz> hi Burana [18:51:54] *** leal has quit IRC [18:55:31] *** crash|_ has joined #opensolaris [18:58:57] <chowmeined> why does solaris seem slow on my x86 machine? [18:59:06] *** Burana has quit IRC [19:00:30] *** dunc has quit IRC [19:02:05] *** FlaTLyneR has joined #opensolaris [19:02:38] * icon yawns [19:02:45] <cmihai> chowmeined: Your x86 machine sucks? Less then 1GB RAM? Your video card sucks / no NVIDIA binary blobs? [19:03:00] *** tsoome has quit IRC [19:04:14] <chowmeined> i have 1GB of ram [19:04:28] <chowmeined> although i have an NVIDIA card [19:05:28] <cmihai> If it's X that's slow, try using the binary driver from NVIDIA.COM (svn_53+ should come with NVIDIA blobs). [19:05:38] <kiivi> chowmeined: define slow? slow throughput or latency? (and what tasks) [19:05:41] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [19:06:21] <chowmeined> for use as a workstation, the desktop [19:06:37] <reflect> anyone here implemented DNS service discovery? [19:06:40] <chowmeined> how is sata support going? [19:06:49] <cmihai> Works for my drives. [19:06:50] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [19:06:57] <chowmeined> last time i couldn't install it on my good machine cause it didn't recognize my sata [19:07:01] <cmihai> Use the hardware detection tool (Java based) to see if yours is supported. [19:07:45] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris [19:08:00] * reflect smile [19:08:04] <reflect> smiles [19:08:40] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [19:08:45] <kiivi> chowmeined: the problem might be jds rather than solaris. [19:09:44] <cmihai> Just install the nvidia blob, things should speed up quite a bit. Reponsiveness that is. [19:09:55] <FlaTLyneR> Anybody know a good free data recovery program for UFS? [19:10:00] <FlaTLyneR> on Solaris [19:10:29] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: went down the crapper the other day, eh? [19:10:35] <chowmeined> there is not storage driver for my device [19:11:16] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: ufsrestore(1M) -> best data recovery tool ever ;P [19:11:17] <chowmeined> that is what it says, for silicon image [19:11:41] * timeless just ploopped in a second sata device this afternoon [19:11:44] <timeless> it worked fine [19:12:03] <g4lt-U60> cmihai, only if he used ufsdump previously ;P [19:12:16] <reflect> chowmeined: yeah, there's not alot of support for their SATA drivers.. [19:12:18] <cmihai> What do you mean you don't have any backups?! :)) [19:12:53] <reflect> "their" being silicon image [19:13:08] <g4lt-U60> don't look at me, I take the other extreme. I don't give a shit about my data ;P [19:14:04] <FlaTLyneR> reflect : haha yeah! [19:14:13] <cmihai> g4lt-U60: ah, you mean the "Do Nothing" backup strategy? [19:14:15] <FlaTLyneR> I mean, i'm not fired or anything [19:14:22] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [19:14:23] <FlaTLyneR> ;-) [19:14:25] <FlaTLyneR> But yeah [19:14:33] <FlaTLyneR> Last backups are 12th of Nov [19:14:34] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: I'm glad you're able to laugh about it [19:14:49] <FlaTLyneR> I gues i have to [19:14:50] <g4lt-U60> cmihai, yeah the "do nothing because it's more work to backup than to recompile the data" [19:15:12] <g4lt-U60> backups via CMS [19:15:15] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: from what I know, this is the only answer we ever got to "How much data can you afford to loose in GB/days?" [19:15:25] <cmihai> NONE YOU 9*****8 [19:15:40] <cmihai> Could be just our users though :P [19:15:42] <g4lt-U60> cmihai, depends on when your last commit was ;P [19:15:44] <FlaTLyneR> haha [19:15:47] *** axisys has quit IRC [19:15:51] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah, they have lost 7 working days of info [19:16:00] <FlaTLyneR> Thankfully, its not a lot of info [19:16:08] <FlaTLyneR> I'm a software engineer [19:16:09] <cmihai> Well, times 1000 people... you just lost a man's life work :P [19:16:19] <FlaTLyneR> I set up a DEV Solaris Box for our guys [19:16:26] <FlaTLyneR> and it crapped itself [19:16:31] <reflect> so.. no one has implemented a DNS service discovery in the enterprise? [19:16:31] <FlaTLyneR> so we have no Solaris Admins [19:16:37] <FlaTLyneR> so its down to me [19:16:42] <FlaTLyneR> Thing is.... [19:16:45] <FlaTLyneR> I DO have teh backups [19:16:56] <FlaTLyneR> They are on a drive which has no partition table [19:17:03] <cmihai> Better than nothing. Anyway, good luck trying to recover stuff on UFS. [19:17:06] <cmihai> It's a PITA. [19:17:09] <FlaTLyneR> so i trying to use data recovery [19:17:25] <FlaTLyneR> Like "Stellar Phoenix", "Nucleus Kernel" [19:17:28] <FlaTLyneR> if it doesn;t work [19:17:32] <FlaTLyneR> we go back to Nov 12th [19:17:37] <reflect> I sorta get the feeling he's used to "PITA" by now [19:17:42] <FlaTLyneR> Thats been agreed with the team [19:18:12] <FlaTLyneR> So i'm good, no matter what happens [19:18:18] <cmihai> Yeah. [19:18:19] <FlaTLyneR> Just looks bad [19:18:20] <cmihai> Unless... [19:18:22] <cmihai> say... by any change [19:18:26] <cmihai> Your backups don't work :P [19:18:29] <FlaTLyneR> haha [19:18:37] <FlaTLyneR> Well first one just worked [19:18:43] <reflect> seriously.. that's not a joke [19:18:46] <FlaTLyneR> so fingers crossed [19:18:50] <FlaTLyneR> i kno [19:18:53] <trygvis> anyone know how many memory slots a v100 has? [19:18:54] <reflect> we had RAID5 disks.. with backups.. [19:18:55] <cmihai> Yeah. People usually read the backup log when resotring :P [19:19:16] <reflect> shit hit the fan and.. well. the backups didn't work very well [19:19:21] <cmihai> RAID is not a backup policy... so yeah, that pretty much makes sense :) [19:19:22] <FlaTLyneR> Its soooo frustrating [19:19:27] <reflect> not even a pro data recovery company managed to get our data back [19:19:34] <FlaTLyneR> 150GB of data from 25th of Nov [19:19:35] <fred343> heya...i'm trying to set up a zone w/ zoneadm, but at install, it can't access my /shared/run.....anybody know what's wrong? [19:19:37] <reflect> so.. "pooper". [19:19:39] <FlaTLyneR> and i can't get it [19:19:52] <FlaTLyneR> Drive just sitting there [19:20:01] <FlaTLyneR> i know the gz'd files are on it [19:20:12] <FlaTLyneR> Just not good enough with Solaris and Data recovery [19:20:18] <FlaTLyneR> to make it work [19:20:19] <kAv_> trygvis : 4 slots max 2gb ecc buffered [19:20:42] <fred343> btw, this is under solaris 10 x86 [19:20:47] <FlaTLyneR> oh yeah [19:20:49] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: is hiring a consultant an option? [19:20:50] <FlaTLyneR> Thanks fred [19:20:59] <FlaTLyneR> reflect : not really [19:21:14] <FlaTLyneR> Its just a major pain in the ass, rather than anything else [19:21:27] <FlaTLyneR> There is no direct financial loss associated with the data [19:21:32] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: well, you might want to consider it.. atleast for a "give me your best options" session [19:21:39] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah [19:21:58] <reflect> a couple of hours won't cost alot, and they'll give you their proffessional opinion and perhaps tell you "these 3 ways are your options" [19:22:02] <trygvis> kAv_: yah, just found it. thanks [19:22:05] <FlaTLyneR> Getting this data back is more to not have my peers laughing behind my back than anything else [19:22:15] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [19:22:37] <FlaTLyneR> If i had just have screen shotted the cylinder geometries when the drive was ok [19:22:43] <reflect> bummer :( [19:23:27] <FlaTLyneR> 95% of my job is programming, 5% looking after the only UNIX box in the building [19:23:54] <FlaTLyneR> Out of 400 people, no-one else has a clue about UNIX, not even teh Infrastrucutre team [19:24:03] <FlaTLyneR> So i'm a lone ranger [19:24:16] <fred343> flat: was that a sarcastic thanks? [19:24:18] <reflect> where are you located? [19:24:22] <FlaTLyneR> no fred [19:24:34] <fred343> k, waiting [19:24:43] <FlaTLyneR> I forgot to tell people that it was x86 [19:24:46] <FlaTLyneR> I know it makes a difference [19:24:57] <FlaTLyneR> as i think SPARC has backup labels or something right? [19:25:04] <FlaTLyneR> if you hose the partition table [19:25:22] <FlaTLyneR> so normally whe i come in here i say x86 straight off [19:25:34] <FlaTLyneR> but you said it for me [19:25:37] <FlaTLyneR> so thanks [19:25:38] <reflect> hm [19:25:53] <reflect> no matter what arch. there is backup inodes [19:26:20] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah, but i think yesterday, a guy told me there was backup labels for slices or something in SPARC only, not sure [19:26:30] <fred343> oic, but i'm brand new to solaris...but if any of you know anything about setting up a datazone i'd really appreciate some help [19:26:35] <reflect> did you write down your story somewhere? [19:26:53] <FlaTLyneR> not yet [19:27:07] <reflect> ok.. cause I sorta missed the first bit [19:27:15] <FlaTLyneR> Yeah, well the bit your missing is [19:27:41] <FlaTLyneR> I wanted to check the paritions on my data drive [19:27:48] <FlaTLyneR> so i loaded format [19:27:52] <FlaTLyneR> and typed 'pa' [19:28:12] <FlaTLyneR> fdisk farted out something about me not having an fdisk partition, it gave me a y/n question [19:28:17] <FlaTLyneR> i said 'y' [19:28:23] <FlaTLyneR> and here we are [19:28:32] <FlaTLyneR> i just wanted to see the slices [19:28:39] <FlaTLyneR> could have just used prtvtov [19:28:46] <FlaTLyneR> now i know [19:28:49] <reflect> or 'p' [19:29:00] <FlaTLyneR> so fdisk gave me a new partition table [19:29:05] <FlaTLyneR> like 7 slices [19:29:21] <FlaTLyneR> all empty, with one huge mother of 149GB lablled 'backup' [19:29:23] <fred343> check this out [19:29:25] <fred343> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=12647 [19:29:25] <FlaTLyneR> and thats where i am now [19:30:13] <reflect> ok.. (it was some years since I used solaris) so.. what exactly does 'pa' do? [19:30:42] <FlaTLyneR> its short for 'partitions' i think [19:30:45] <FlaTLyneR> to view partitions [19:30:53] <FlaTLyneR> It said something like [19:31:11] <FlaTLyneR> "You must use fdisk first, doyou want to use fdisk, or edit the labels?" [19:31:21] <FlaTLyneR> I thought "editing labels?" thats sounds nasty [19:31:25] <FlaTLyneR> i'll go for the other one [19:31:35] <FlaTLyneR> *boom* [19:31:52] <FlaTLyneR> so, now my data drive has ALL the data [19:32:00] <FlaTLyneR> But it doesn;t know how its sliced up [19:32:11] <FlaTLyneR> So i can't mount sheeyat [19:32:28] <FlaTLyneR> If this was windows i'd be singing [19:32:29] <reflect> iirc, if you created a partition across the entire disk.. [19:32:34] <reflect> without using a partition table.. [19:32:54] <reflect> fdisk would tell you that 'there's no partition table, would you like to create one' or something similar [19:33:11] <reflect> could that have been it? [19:33:23] <FlaTLyneR> yeah, i think disk1 (my OS disk) was already partitioned using fdisk [19:33:30] <FlaTLyneR> so all of the normal commands worked fine [19:33:35] <reflect> hm [19:33:40] <FlaTLyneR> disk2 must have been laid out using another tool [19:33:49] <FlaTLyneR> so ther was no fdisk info on the disk or something [19:33:52] <FlaTLyneR> so it wrote it [19:33:56] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [19:33:59] <reflect> tell you what; [19:34:04] <reflect> write down your story [19:34:22] <reflect> everything you can think of, from the beginning, all the way to the crapper [19:34:32] <reflect> I'm not sure you're a lost cause yet [19:34:49] <FlaTLyneR> ok, notepad is open [19:35:34] <McBofh> FlaTLyneR: you could try "fsck -m" [19:35:48] <McBofh> FlaTLyneR: that should show you some useful information [19:36:01] <McBofh> FlaTLyneR: do you recall how many slices you had on that disk? [19:36:24] <reflect> let him finish his story first, so we can get all the facts first? [19:37:01] <McBofh> reflect: geee, I thought there was sufficient information already [19:37:22] <McBofh> reflect: and do you know what the "-m" flag tells fsck to do? [19:38:10] <McBofh> FlaTLyneR: another thing to try is "newfs -N" [19:38:13] <FlaTLyneR> reflect: i'll have the low down in 15mins [19:38:46] <FlaTLyneR> McBofh : my wife is screaming at me to come down for dinner [19:38:49] <PerterB> one thought: there are programs for scanning files for ufs super blocks (eg for splitting solaris cd images)... by scanning the raw device you can find all of the copies of all of the superblocks of all of the filesystems... if you can remember the approx sizes that might be enough to cons up a vtoc [19:38:58] <FlaTLyneR> you guys heere in 20 mins? [19:39:08] *** FlaTLyneR is now known as FlaT_wife [19:39:13] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:39:16] <McBofh> FlaTLyneR: here's an example "newfs -N" output from my root partition: http://rafb.net/paste/results/laJKrQ20.html [19:39:19] <eboutilier> Kronuz: Catching up on your earlier discussion... [19:39:28] <eboutilier> Just wanted to mention that libevent is also non-Linux-centric in terms of build-support. In other words... [19:39:28] <reflect> McBofh: you can rush into this all you like. if there's a chance I'm missing out on important information, I'd rather take it nice and slow. another hour won't kill him. [19:39:32] <McBofh> PerterB: that's the line which I was thinking of [19:39:50] <eboutilier> No porting required. Just ./configure then make. [19:39:55] <McBofh> reflect: and how is getting "newfs -N" info ... rushing things ? [19:40:04] <Kronuz> eboutilier: oh, that's nice :) [19:40:19] <eboutilier> With the one catch being you have to set CC to /usr/sfw/bin/gcc and CXX to /usr/sfw/bin/g++ [19:40:19] <reflect> McBofh: he's writing the story down.. let him finish it first? [19:41:18] <McBofh> reflect: gee, you want prose? what's wrong with the copy+paste of the channel log? [19:41:44] <reflect> fine, he's been here for three days with his problem.. [19:41:50] *** Bart__ has joined #opensolaris [19:42:14] <McBofh> so surely there should be some detail to go with already [19:42:16] <McBofh> geez [19:42:21] *** Bart__ has quit IRC [19:42:28] <reflect> yeah, there's probably plenty of detail [19:42:35] <reflect> I don't have anything. [19:43:40] <reflect> just having it written down in one place would go along way, then we could ask him alot of questions and he could paste the output into his story, and it would be even easier to diagnose his problem [19:44:13] *** rodrickbrown has joined #opensolaris [19:45:38] <McBofh> and here I was thinking that the last 40 minutes of channel log was sufficient. [19:45:39] * McBofh sighs [19:49:49] <reflect> relax.. I just want to make sure we aren't missing something vital [19:50:40] <reflect> and I'm sure this is like the fourth time he's telling his story on irc, I want to make sure he's not leaving anything out [19:50:58] <McBofh> gah [19:51:03] *** deather__ has joined #opensolaris [19:52:20] *** deather_ has quit IRC [19:53:19] * McBofh bounces his insomnia process, heads back to bed [19:54:06] *** FlaT_wife is now known as FlaTLyneR [19:56:28] <FlaTLyneR> Thanks a mill, for getting involved guys [19:56:35] <FlaTLyneR> Its helping to have some suggestions [19:57:36] <reflect> paste it, together with the output of some commands someplace.. pastebin or wherever [19:57:49] <reflect> next time someone wants to know the full story, you just hand them the url [19:58:02] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [19:59:07] <reflect> (trying to do both you and whoever is trying to help you, a favor here) [19:59:50] <FlaTLyneR> goo idea [20:00:24] <reflect> been there myself, repeating.. each repeat loses something [20:00:38] <FlaTLyneR> true [20:00:52] <FlaTLyneR> Will try to find a free webspace to put up the story [20:00:59] <reflect> pastebin.com [20:01:16] <reflect> there are ten of those around.. to share code, logs or whatever [20:01:48] *** deather__ is now known as deather [20:02:19] <FlaTLyneR> oh great [20:03:42] *** yippi has quit IRC [20:04:43] <FlaTLyneR> hmm, pastebin taking a while to think about posting my story ;-) [20:04:55] <cmihai> Use pastebin.ca [20:05:06] <cmihai> Or paste.lisp.org, much nicer, more responsibe [20:05:11] <cmihai> responsive [20:05:33] <cmihai> pastebin.com is down quite often. [20:06:15] <reflect> evening cmihai [20:06:25] <reflect> might be an idea there :) [20:06:30] <cmihai> Evening indeed :D [20:06:33] <reflect> was a long time ago since I used pastebin.. seems to have degraded [20:06:39] <FlaTLyneR> ok [20:06:40] <FlaTLyneR> http://pastebin.ca/260846 [20:06:43] <FlaTLyneR> My story v1.0 [20:06:59] <FlaTLyneR> Its actually refreshing to write it out [20:07:10] <FlaTLyneR> it made me realise i only want ONE slice back [20:07:11] <FlaTLyneR> not the lot [20:07:21] <FlaTLyneR> just the slice that used to have /backup on it [20:07:42] *** glagasse has quit IRC [20:07:53] <reflect> glad it helped [20:08:10] <reflect> love the topic :) [20:08:42] <reflect> it was a while ago since I used solaris, so I'm hoping someone could answer what 'pa' in 'format' does [20:09:00] <FlaTLyneR> oh yeah, partition [20:09:05] <FlaTLyneR> 'view partitions' [20:09:18] <FlaTLyneR> i just wanteed to see the sizes of the slices [20:09:27] <FlaTLyneR> i knew i would know the backup slice when i saw it [20:09:30] <reflect> yes, but then.. what exactly was the question you got? [20:10:58] <FlaTLyneR> i'l update the post [20:11:54] <reflect> wait [20:12:13] <FlaTLyneR> now check it [20:12:20] <FlaTLyneR> i have it exactly [20:13:49] <reflect> the url changes with each edit [20:13:56] <FlaTLyneR> oh [20:13:58] <FlaTLyneR> whoops [20:13:59] <reflect> http://pastebin.ca/260852 [20:13:59] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [20:14:14] <FlaTLyneR> sorry [20:14:25] <reflect> no worries, you're new to pastebin and how it works [20:14:56] <reflect> ok then.. fsck -m might help you [20:15:08] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [20:15:22] <reflect> newfs -N won't help you at all, as it need the original partition table, which is wiped [20:15:44] <cmihai> Right. Well, one piece of advice FlaTLyneR [20:15:47] <cmihai> before you do anything else [20:15:57] <reflect> we're also looking for a way to restore the original partition table, or possibly scan for partitions [20:16:04] <cmihai> just do a whole dd image of your disk | gzip | ssh or netcat or whatever. On some server. [20:16:18] <reflect> very good suggestion there [20:16:20] <cmihai> You never know how you can screw it up even worse.. until your try [20:17:04] <cmihai> Put that on a tape, then you can install sleuthkit, autopsy, bunch of commercial data recover tools, etc and poke around at your own leasure. [20:17:19] <reflect> cmihai: I need your help with suggestions about restoring the partition table or scan for existing partitions within a fubar disk.. [20:17:27] <cmihai> Might even clone the tape && give it to some data recover guys you trust/whatever [20:18:09] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [20:18:41] *** solarx has joined #opensolaris [20:18:52] *** Burana has quit IRC [20:18:53] <solarx> [20:18:56] *** solarx has left #opensolaris [20:19:06] <FlaTLyneR> good idea guys [20:19:46] <FlaTLyneR> will do that [20:19:47] <reflect> yeah.. it'll give you an unlimited amount of times to screw up [20:19:48] <cmihai> reflect: apart from autopsy, sleuthkith, nucleus and kernel something tools... not much. [20:20:07] <reflect> 5 years ago I would have known what to do [20:20:22] <reflect> there's something in the back of my head, nagging.. there's a way to scan the disk for partitions [20:20:37] <cmihai> And for files [20:20:40] <FlaTLyneR> Stellar Phoenix just gave me the start block of the partition i'm looking for [20:20:41] <reflect> it looks for the start/stop signatures of a partitions of a disk [20:20:54] <FlaTLyneR> now what can i do with that? [20:21:02] <cmihai> Had a similar tool that grepped the disk for file signatures [20:21:09] <FlaTLyneR> and i also know the size 29.1GB [20:21:10] <cmihai> kind of like a grep disk | file lol :) [20:21:41] <FlaTLyneR> c2d0s3 starts at 183476131 and is 29GB [20:21:50] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: well, theoretically, if all that happened was a partition table deletion.. [20:21:54] <cmihai> you could restore your data [20:21:57] <FlaTLyneR> Thats my backup partition [20:21:58] <cmihai> I did it for my BSD box [20:22:01] <FlaTLyneR> ok [20:22:02] <cmihai> a few days ago [20:22:11] <FlaTLyneR> I know i can tell fdisk [20:22:12] <cmihai> Basically I removed the partition table... and all that [20:22:17] <cmihai> The slice and the lablels [20:22:20] <cmihai> labels. [20:22:22] <FlaTLyneR> ouch [20:22:25] <cmihai> Yeah. [20:22:26] <FlaTLyneR> and what did you do? [20:22:32] <cmihai> Created new and identical ones [20:22:35] <cmihai> And... it worked. [20:22:38] <FlaTLyneR> aha! [20:22:46] <cmihai> So if you know the start... [20:22:49] <FlaTLyneR> Now you see this guy, i like [20:22:50] <cmihai> Maybe... MAYBE... [20:22:54] <FlaTLyneR> He give Flat hope [20:22:55] <cmihai> :) [20:22:58] <cmihai> But! [20:23:06] <cmihai> Make that dd snapshot first so you can fuck around at your own leasure [20:23:11] <FlaTLyneR> good idea [20:23:14] <FlaTLyneR> one thing [20:23:25] <cmihai> Now me, I already had dumps for the disk [20:23:43] <cmihai> So I had little to worry about. But didn't want to go and restore 300GB all over again [20:23:44] <FlaTLyneR> do you think even though i only know the geometry for c2d0s3 i can just fdisk that slice and mount that? [20:23:57] <FlaTLyneR> leave the others in limbo [20:24:05] <cmihai> I guess that might also work. [20:24:16] <FlaTLyneR> ok, so last question [20:24:33] <FlaTLyneR> Stellar Phoenix says it starts at sector 183476131 [20:24:34] <cmihai> But don't attempt that until you did the dd snapshot. I can't stress that enough. You might kill your only change of recovery :) [20:24:35] <reflect> just one question.. do you want to take a chance at that, really? [20:24:41] <FlaTLyneR> WHat the hell cylinder is that? [20:24:45] <reflect> how large is the entire disk, contra just that partition? [20:24:58] <FlaTLyneR> Disk is 160GB [20:25:16] <reflect> ah [20:25:25] <FlaTLyneR> has 7 or 9 slices [20:25:26] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: for all that matters you could dd it to another disk to play with, or give it to someone with more time... while you get the system back in production [20:25:39] <FlaTLyneR> yeah, thats a good suggestion [20:26:05] <FlaTLyneR> man i'm goign to live in this channel over the next few weeks ;-) [20:26:16] <cmihai> Might even restore your ancient backups, than, should you recover this drive, just do an incremental backup/restore to that or something :) [20:26:16] <FlaTLyneR> i think IRC is blocked in work [20:26:24] <cmihai> Good thing I'm the admin :P [20:26:39] <FlaTLyneR> hehe [20:26:46] <cmihai> Well, you can always ssh/screen/irssi :] [20:27:05] <FlaTLyneR> probably, but there's probably a team of corpo's waiting to sack me if i do [20:27:05] <gdamore> hi * [20:27:09] <FlaTLyneR> hi gdamore [20:27:31] <FlaTLyneR> Any ideas how i can convert the sector address into a cylinder? [20:27:32] <reflect> hm [20:27:37] <reflect> yeah, the old backup [20:27:40] <gdamore> finally decided to take a look at gvim. i'm impressed. i can do pretty much anything i used to do in emacs. [20:27:41] <FlaTLyneR> god damn fdisk, why can;t it ask me for secotrs [20:27:43] <reflect> you can check the exact disk layout with that one [20:28:11] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: might be possible if you go into expert mode [20:28:12] <FlaTLyneR> reflect : with Stellar? [20:28:16] <reflect> did you check that? [20:28:20] <gdamore> FlaTLyneR: you need the CHS geometry to convert that. [20:28:23] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: no, with fdisk [20:28:32] <FlaTLyneR> oh right [20:28:41] <FlaTLyneR> CHS Geometry? [20:28:47] <gdamore> Cyl/Hd/Sect [20:28:54] <FlaTLyneR> oh [20:29:08] <cmihai> Reminds me of the good old days [20:29:09] <gdamore> and then there is physical vs. LBA considerations. :-) [20:29:14] <FlaTLyneR> yukky [20:29:21] <cmihai> Well, old horrible days. [20:29:34] <FlaTLyneR> Hmmm, stellar phoenix recovery, gives me a bunch of possible partitions [20:29:39] <FlaTLyneR> I can see the one i want [20:29:48] <cmihai> I'm already racking my brains with phux's horrible kb or blocks sizes... yuck [20:29:52] <FlaTLyneR> its gives me a start address and a size [20:29:59] <gdamore> heh. I still remember doing 3x and 4x interleaving to account for disk spins. back with old MFM drives. [20:30:19] <cmihai> Or how many feet of tape / density [20:30:19] <cmihai> :)) [20:30:21] <FlaTLyneR> Oh by the way, in case you guys are wondering why i don't just get stellar to recover this data [20:30:28] <FlaTLyneR> i'm using the free version [20:30:38] <FlaTLyneR> th tease version, just to see if the data is recoverable [20:30:45] <Kronuz> hey, what was changed in the tcp/ip stack for version 10 that makes it so much better? [20:30:50] <FlaTLyneR> its $799 [20:31:02] <cmihai> Kronuz: FireEngine bla bla.. read the sun.com pamflet [20:31:06] <cmihai> Let's just say it rocks. [20:31:09] * gdamore never bothers with data recovery. he usually just reinstalls and copies the data from an alternate system, since he usually has the same data on at least half a dozen different machines. :-) [20:31:16] <FlaTLyneR> haha [20:31:20] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [20:31:21] <cmihai> Especially if you have one of those 10Gbit ethernetz [20:31:34] <g4lt-U60> cvs co FTW [20:31:39] * FlaTLyneR thinks gdamore, cmihai, and reflect should take his job [20:31:45] <FlaTLyneR> I suck [20:31:50] <cmihai> :)) [20:31:59] <FlaTLyneR> actaully [20:32:01] <cmihai> Didn't you say you were a coder? [20:32:04] <FlaTLyneR> you guys wouln;t want my job [20:32:05] <cmihai> Not an admin? [20:32:09] <FlaTLyneR> yeah thats right [20:32:34] <reflect> I can script a little, but code.. sorry ;) [20:32:34] <FlaTLyneR> But its guys like you that should be employed at my company doing this stuff [20:32:41] <FlaTLyneR> but they are too tight to fork out for it [20:32:52] <FlaTLyneR> So they say... [20:32:57] <cmihai> Same here really. [20:33:01] <gdamore> Kronuz: essentially prior to S10, TCP/IP were was streams based (entirely), which created a lot of locking overhead and slowness. S10 replaced that with a more sane functional call interface between TCP and IP, as well as to the upper portion of the stack. Its still STREAMS to the device driver though. [20:33:02] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: however, it does sound like your site, wherever you work, might need an admin to take care of some things [20:33:06] <FlaTLyneR> "Hey, didn;t you do some Windows admin stuff years ago?" [20:33:16] <FlaTLyneR> "You wouldn;t mind installing our Solaris Dev server?" [20:33:25] <FlaTLyneR> wellll errrr [20:33:26] <cmihai> Could have been worse. [20:33:35] <reflect> which part of the world are you located in? [20:33:41] <FlaTLyneR> "Well errr nothing, get your ass down to the basement and cook me up a Solaris install" [20:33:45] <FlaTLyneR> "NOOWWWWWWWWW" [20:33:54] <cmihai> how much worse you say? [20:33:59] <FlaTLyneR> I'm in Ireland [20:34:02] <cmihai> HP-UX rp3440 B.11.11 U 9000/800 unlimited-user license -> this much [20:34:09] <gdamore> rotfl [20:34:10] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: wow.. not far away [20:34:12] <Auralis> bhahaha [20:34:29] <cmihai> Bloody thing had a 20MB /home [20:34:42] <cmihai> From a 2TB RAID storage array :)) [20:34:51] <FlaTLyneR> haha [20:35:12] <FlaTLyneR> man, i woke up this morning, i thought the whole thing was a dream [20:35:19] <FlaTLyneR> and i had nothing to restore [20:35:24] <FlaTLyneR> then i opened my eyes [20:35:35] <Kronuz> gdamore: and to you knowledge is that an entirely new approach? did S10 used a BSD TCP/IP stack before? [20:35:38] <reflect> .. like a stone off of your chest.. [20:35:42] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [20:35:47] <FlaTLyneR> sleep is good [20:35:49] <gdamore> Kronuz: no, it used a STREAMs based stack. [20:35:54] <FlaTLyneR> I just need to get some [20:36:16] <cmihai> We all do... [20:36:23] <Kronuz> gdamore: I guess I can't tell the difference by the name :( [20:36:26] <gdamore> the thing is that the whole stack got a lot of overhaul to eliminate a lot of mblk passing via streams and replace them with ordinary function calls (which are simpler, faster, and don't need locking) [20:36:27] <cmihai> And it's not just sleep that I'm talking about... but it does involve sleeping ;P [20:36:32] <FlaTLyneR> well thanks for the support guys [20:36:43] <FlaTLyneR> I'll keep plugging away [20:36:54] <cmihai> Well, good luck with that. [20:36:57] <FlaTLyneR> I'm going to log into work now via VPN (cuts me off) [20:37:00] <gdamore> there were a lot of other changes, too. but this is the big one that makes everything so much faster [20:37:00] <cmihai> And if you do succeed, consider this: [20:37:08] <cmihai> Document && publish it. It might help a lot more people. [20:37:16] <cmihai> FlaTLyneR: lol, yeah. [20:37:17] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: good luck with that.. and let me know if that company every changes its policy on admins ;) [20:37:18] <cmihai> cizcoeez? [20:37:42] <FlaTLyneR> cmihai : I definitely will [20:37:55] <gdamore> Kronuz: anyway, don't worry about it. Solaris has its own TCP/IP stack (always has, since Solaris 2.0), and in Solaris 10 it is much much faster. The details of _why_ this is so don't really matter so much if you're not a kernel guru. [20:37:59] <FlaTLyneR> I might be back tonight, before i go to bed, IF there are any development [20:38:29] <Kronuz> gdamore: I was just wondering the differences against FreeBSD [20:38:29] <FlaTLyneR> Sorry before i go, did we say that i can;t get teh sectors -> cylinders (or that its very difficult?) [20:39:05] <gdamore> Kronuz: comparing apples and oranges. There is zero (or nearly so) common ancestry between FreeBSD and Solaris IP stacks. [20:39:15] <FlaTLyneR> and also reflect : You mentioned fdisk expert mode? [20:39:18] <FlaTLyneR> maybe that will help? [20:39:43] <reflect> FlaTLyneR: there's one problem with anything I tell you [20:39:52] <reflect> I more or less dropped solaris 4 years ago [20:39:59] <FlaTLyneR> oh right ;-) [20:40:02] <gdamore> Common ancestry for Solaris TCP/IP is found in SVR4, and not BSD. Linux and BSD have more in common with each other in the IP stack than Solaris has with either of them. [20:40:11] <reflect> iirc, there is an option, 'x', meaning expert mode [20:40:25] <FlaTLyneR> yep, will try that on the dd'd disk [20:40:29] <FlaTLyneR> kewl [20:40:34] <reflect> very dangerous, as it let you tinker with crap you normally should leave alone [20:40:43] <FlaTLyneR> And sectors to cylinders? [20:40:50] <cmihai> For some odd reason I remember that only on FreeBSD [20:40:51] <reflect> in this case, it might help you... IF there is an 'x' in solaris fdisk or format [20:40:54] <cmihai> It's called "wizzard mode" [20:41:03] <cmihai> And they don't mean the friendly windowsy wizzard [20:41:06] <FlaTLyneR> I think gdamore said i'm srewed there [20:41:09] <cmihai> But the fireball shooting madman :)) [20:41:18] <FlaTLyneR> haha [20:41:24] <FlaTLyneR> kewl [20:41:30] <FlaTLyneR> I'm going to log into work [20:41:33] <FlaTLyneR> back shortly [20:41:53] * FlaTLyneR Flat_overtime [20:42:04] <FlaTLyneR> whoops [20:42:05] *** FlaTLyneR is now known as Flat_overtime [20:42:10] <Flat_overtime> hee hee [20:42:16] <cmihai> | = Wizard mode -> Are you SURE you want to go into Wizard mode? No seat belts whatsoever are provided! [20:42:25] <cmihai> Holy crap [20:42:28] <reflect> haha [20:42:35] <reflect> ofcourse you'd remember that :) [20:42:45] <cmihai> let me pastebin a sample [20:43:02] <reflect> it's like a red, blinking sign with "here be hookers" [20:43:23] <cmihai> http://paste.lisp.org/display/30887 [20:43:27] <cmihai> I mean, GOD [20:44:08] <cmihai> There's a lot more stuff about collapse [pointer], etc. [20:44:52] <reflect> I did an annotation [20:45:01] <reflect> pasted an exampled of the linux "expert mode" [20:45:48] <reflect> the linux one looks quite.. luxurious compared to yours ;) [20:45:58] <cmihai> That looks a little more sane [20:46:15] <reflect> not sure why though.. just the formatting of the table? [20:46:22] <cmihai> Mine has a lot more stuff I didn't paste too :). [20:47:06] <cmihai> Well, BSD uses the concept of disk slices and labels, so it's more complex than Linuxes [20:47:37] <reflect> I was more thinking about first impressions when you compare the two tables [20:47:47] <cmihai> You don't even want to know what the one on phux looks like [20:48:00] <cmihai> With Veritas && VxFS, HFS, LVM and a whole bunch of crap [20:48:06] <reflect> hehe [20:48:29] <reflect> wow, I remember one of our solaris servers.. regular disks.. disksuite.. and then, ontop of that... veritas [20:48:38] <reflect> sol2.6 [20:48:58] <reflect> would you want to patch either vxvm or dsuite? noooooooo... [20:49:02] <cmihai> /dev/vx/dsk/rootdg/homevol -> does NOT look like a sane device name! [20:49:18] <reflect> hehe [20:50:07] <andersmo> Vx{VM|FS} isn't that bad? Works pretty well on Solaris, at least. =) [20:53:20] <reflect> back in the day.. [20:53:21] <reflect> hehe [20:53:32] <reflect> their products rocked [20:53:49] <reflect> however, every time we patched them.. we got ourselves a couple of hours of work [20:54:27] <reflect> mostly cause of the crappy setup of "let's first use disksuite, THEN vxvm" [20:54:48] <andersmo> that sounds a tad silly, yeah. =) [20:54:56] <cmihai> Right... [20:55:08] <cmihai> Lucky me then... [20:55:09] <fred343> hi again [20:55:13] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC [20:55:37] <cmihai> <- I'm patching them at this exact moment :P [20:55:50] <andersmo> We've got many terabytes of data on Vx{VM,FS} here, and we trust it more than ZFS so far - like everybody else we like the stuff we're used to, and leave the less-critical tasks to ZFS until we're comfortable with it. =) [20:56:01] <fred343> anybody know about datazones? [20:56:23] <cmihai> andersmo: I never said it wasn't reliable, it usually is. [20:56:29] <cmihai> I just hate it's guts :P [20:56:30] <reflect> andersmo: we seldom had any problems with veritas products when they were running [20:56:33] <reflect> if ever [20:57:07] <reflect> hm.. I do recall some shakiness when they switched from the old gui to the new gui [20:57:24] <andersmo> That's our experience as well. It's solid. But if it breaks, it hurts. =) [20:57:33] <fred343> i'm trying to create one, but when i installed it "failed with exit code 74" [20:57:40] *** glagasse has joined #opensolaris [21:01:27] *** Flat_overtime has quit IRC [21:04:20] *** gman has quit IRC [21:04:29] *** Gman_ has joined #opensolaris [21:06:32] *** nwf has quit IRC [21:06:36] <stevel> morning glynn [21:06:50] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [21:07:01] <Gman_> hey steve__ [21:08:45] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [21:08:47] <Error_404> car won't start... [21:08:51] <Error_404> stupid weather [21:09:07] <Kronuz> <.< [21:09:08] <Kronuz> >.> [21:10:10] *** Kronuz is now known as KronuzAFK [21:14:43] <dwc-> so how cold is it in that part of canada today? [21:15:17] <Error_404> makes it about -23 F [21:15:35] <reflect> coast or inland? [21:15:40] <dwc-> that's a little cold [21:15:42] <Error_404> inland northern BC [21:15:53] <reflect> well.. that's not so bad then [21:16:01] <reflect> ;) [21:16:02] *** stevel changes topic to "see our p.o.o. @ http://planet.opensolaris.org | Latest builds: SXCR: 52 | ON build: 53" [21:16:13] <Error_404> see our poo? [21:16:19] <dwc-> so... is the caretaker of poo, the pooper scooper? [21:16:28] <elektronkind> the smog from the paper mills should be keeping the town warm though [21:16:33] <stevel> gman maintains editorial control over the poo [21:16:38] <Error_404> ratemypoo.com ? [21:16:45] <elektronkind> dwc-: no. it's the Poopsmith, of course. [21:17:01] <Error_404> holy crap it exists?! [21:17:06] <Error_404> the internet is filthy [21:17:13] <elektronkind> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poopsmith [21:17:21] <Gman_> stevel, and i've already got myself into a sticky position [21:17:30] <elektronkind> The filthy, filthy internet. Powered by Sun. [21:17:32] <stevel> gman_: how so? [21:17:33] <Gman_> stevel, a vp is asking to be added, when he clearly has nothing to do with the project [21:17:54] <dwc-> he wants poo all over him [21:18:10] * stevel readies a flaming bag of poo to leave at his office door [21:18:21] <Gman_> heh [21:18:27] <richlowe> Gman_: say No. [21:18:33] <Gman_> richlowe, i will [21:18:38] <richlowe> depending on which VP. [21:18:43] <stevel> we can add him to opensolaris.org/os/blogs [21:19:02] <Gman_> i'll say no to anyone not really actively involved [21:19:06] <stevel> good [21:19:08] <trygvis> anyone know if solaris 10 supports all the default hardware in a dell poweredge 2900 [21:19:17] <dwc-> 12:17 < Error_404> the internet is filthy [21:19:22] <dwc-> you're just discovering this -now- ? [21:19:45] <Gman_> icon, which is why for the moment i'm not putting your blog there [21:19:54] <Gman_> icon, when you write more, i'll look at it again [21:20:20] <cmihai> trygvis: why don't you try the Java hardware compat tool on the sun site? [21:20:30] <cmihai> If you already have the machines [21:21:17] *** dho has joined #OpenSolaris [21:21:34] <reflect> and for those who aren't here all the time.. who's 'icon'? [21:23:18] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [21:23:47] <Gman_> reflect, dude who's doing the ports port to opensolaris [21:24:09] <reflect> ah, nice [21:24:24] <reflect> anyone here ever done a hardware driver for solaris? [21:25:01] <reflect> I have a question which applies to other operating system, but since I'm no hardware driver developer myself, I wouldn't mind if this got cleared up a little bit [21:27:33] <reflect> if you write a driver for a chip.. for instance, the silicon image 3114 (4port SATA controller).. would it matter one bit, if this chip was soldered to the motherboard (via the pci bus), or on a card via the pci-bus.. or what have you? Would the solaris driver still work? [21:28:14] <trygvis> yep [21:28:29] <trygvis> what matters is which pci bus it's connected to [21:28:51] <trygvis> when you look at the prtconf output you can't tell if it's a part of the motherboard or on some extension board [21:29:10] <reflect> why does that matter? [21:29:13] <elektronkind> solaris finds its supported hardware by the PCI ID (vendor/product ID) that the chip is advertising. This PCI ID/driver association database is kept in /etc/driver_aliases [21:30:15] <reflect> ah, I see [21:30:16] <reflect> thanks [21:30:17] <elektronkind> If that PCI ID is found on the system, solaris attempts to bind the appropriate driver to it. from that point, any futher support for the hardware is up to the driver itself to decice [21:30:20] <elektronkind> er decide [21:31:15] <elektronkind> ie, while the gigafoo driver might support a Rev B and C GIGfoo 9000 ethernet chip, it may not like a Rev A one, even though all three revs might have the same PCI ID [21:33:13] <reflect> right.. like most other drivers [21:33:23] <elektronkind> jah [21:33:47] <reflect> thanks you two [21:40:16] <fred343> trygvis:check the hcl (hardware compatibility list) at sun.com [21:41:01] <reflect> anyone here care about my HCL improvements anymore.. ? [21:41:28] <fred343> you'll most likely need to replace the ethernet adapter as most aren't supported [21:43:02] <fred343> but my older dimension works fine under solaris (minus a replaced ethernet adapter.) [21:43:05] <reflect> fred343: trygvis answered my question.. I don't think he asked anything regarding the HCL or hardware at all? [21:43:12] <fred343> out of the box [21:43:21] <reflect> ooh.. sorry, my mistake [21:43:35] <fred343> oh, nm then [21:43:42] <reflect> no, you're right. [21:43:46] <reflect> it was just higher up [21:43:55] *** Mazon has quit IRC [21:44:05] <reflect> trygvis: take a look at this, and tell me if you agree or disagree regarding the online HCL, please? [21:44:30] <fred343> and in case anybody was actually paying attention to my problem, i fixed it and my datazone is installing as i speak [21:44:53] <reflect> trygvis: http://www.acggbg.org/~reflect/opensolaris/hcl-ideas.txt [21:46:22] *** slindes has joined #opensolaris [21:48:50] *** icon has quit IRC [21:49:25] <fred343> well, i'd add that the hcl contains many drivers that aren't officially supported or in beta...i had to actually join a thread that the guy who wrote my adapter's driver was part of [21:49:51] <fred343> only after a week or so of hacking on it did it finally run at full speed [21:50:09] <Gman_> Tpenta, i need to fix up your hackergotchi before i add it to planet - hope to get around to doing this today [21:50:16] <reflect> iirc, the hcl has "official support" and "reported to work" etc [21:50:50] <fred343> right, and reported means get out your shovel and start digging [21:51:22] <reflect> fred343: I just mean that you can filter it if you want to [21:51:41] <fred343> i agree [21:52:09] <reflect> however, I believe there's a much better way of displaying the data than what the HCL does today [21:52:21] <reflect> and, opensolaris could take the forefront there [21:52:56] <fred343> tru dat [21:53:17] <reflect> I'm willing to help out, but I need someone to help me out [21:54:49] * richlowe really wants to see the JDS guys include ubuntu's HCL app thingummy. [21:55:10] <Gman_> yeah, i'd like to see that too [21:55:14] <Gman_> would be rad! [21:55:41] <Tpenta> gman_, it's to large? [21:55:55] <Gman_> Tpenta, doesn't have feathered edges or drop shadow [21:56:01] *** dunc has quit IRC [21:56:01] <reflect> I'm more talking how it's displayed.. that's the number one priority [21:56:02] <Tpenta> ahh [21:56:05] <Gman_> but yeah, it's large too [21:56:15] <stevel> well of course it doesn't have feathered edges - he shaved his head for charity [21:56:20] <Gman_> heh [21:56:27] <Tpenta> i had fun and games with gimp 2.3 trying to clear teh background as forr some reason i could not make the eraser work [21:56:36] <dho> moo. [21:56:39] <Gman_> stevel, tpenta should be as fuzzy as a baby duckling [21:56:53] <Gman_> Tpenta, look at the hackergotchi tutorial on wikipedia [21:56:58] <stevel> mmmmm.... peking duck(lings) [21:57:08] *** mazon has joined #opensolaris [21:57:39] <reflect> so I don't suppose anyone would like to help out with this hcl idea, then? [21:57:41] <Gman_> heh [21:57:46] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [21:57:52] <reflect> or know where I should turn? [21:57:59] <Gman_> reflect, you'd need to sync up with the dudes who are doing the current app [21:58:23] <reflect> Gman_: with current app, you mean the sun app? [21:58:30] <reflect> or a different one? [21:58:38] <Gman_> just trying to find link, one sec [21:58:55] <Tpenta> i have the link for wikipedia [21:58:57] <fred343> can anybody explain why an nic assigned to a container would be in conflict with the nic currently in use by my global zone? [21:59:24] <fred343> i'm using the same ip and physical interface name [21:59:34] <fred343> solaris 10 x86 [21:59:45] <Gman_> reflect, http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-November/021426.html [21:59:48] *** KronuzAFK is now known as Kronuz [21:59:49] <Tpenta> you cant use the same IP [22:00:01] <fred343> so do i make one up? [22:00:03] <Gman_> though i'd *completely* support any effort to take the ubuntu/nexenta hardware tool and package it up [22:00:07] <reflect> wow, that's recent [22:00:08] <jafari> how do you scan for new scsi, hba? [22:00:32] <Gman_> reflect, you might even be able to convince the web team to put some infrastructure in place to log the entries [22:00:38] <Gman_> shouldn't be *too* hard [22:00:56] <fred343> tpenta: and also, can i use the same interface name? [22:01:07] <Tpenta> gman_ I'll have another go at it on the way in today and send it in [22:01:21] <Gman_> Tpenta, ok, cool [22:01:28] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [22:01:30] <reflect> Gman_: thanks.. I'm not too concerned with gathering data (that's not my main priority) but rather the visualization of the current database [22:01:38] <stevel> fred343: sounds like what you want is NAT [22:01:39] <Kronuz> what's the MDB? [22:01:40] <Stric> jafari: devfsadm -v [22:01:41] <Gman_> reflect, ahh, different agenda [22:01:42] <Kronuz> a debugger? [22:01:44] <Gman_> reflect, that's fair enough [22:01:56] <reflect> Gman_: different yes, but still connected [22:02:02] * Gman_ thinks the current state of hcl is toss [22:02:07] <Gman_> and not going to encourage anyone to install opensolaris [22:02:31] <reflect> Gman_: I spent 2 hours there and then decided it was crap myself [22:02:41] <Gman_> reflect, cool, do it! :) [22:02:55] <Gman_> you will be a hero of heroes [22:02:58] <fred343> stevel: i'm following this http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/s10securityhowto.jsp [22:03:08] <fred343> and it doesn't say anything about nat there [22:03:38] <reflect> Gman_: I can probably come up with some nice idea of how to present the data.. but, I'm not a database man.. nor am I a web man [22:03:52] <jafari> thank u Stric [22:03:54] <stevel> fred343: so think of the container as an actual separate machine. you wouldn't have two machines using the same IP address. [22:03:55] <Gman_> reflect, try looking at the ubuntu one [22:04:01] <Gman_> reflect, might give you ideas [22:04:04] <reflect> hell, the web pages I've created.. hehe.. they were created in vi and.. well, you'd laugh. [22:04:41] <reflect> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/HCL <-- that one? [22:05:52] <fred343> stevel:ya, i understand that part, but do i'm using dhcp in the global zone, so i'd either have to do the same in my new container and connect to the router, or i'd have to connect to the global zone and use it as a gateway, right? [22:06:11] <fred343> *but i'm using... [22:06:40] <stevel> fred343: i'm assuming you mean your global zone is a DHCP client? containers don't currently support getting IP addresses by DHCP [22:06:49] <reflect> Gman_: it's funny that you react this way.. I've been discussing this project here now for a handful of days and just about the only reaction I've gotten has been.. "there's already a HCL in place." [22:06:52] <fred343> correct [22:07:09] <stevel> so you'd either have to set aside an IP address for your container and do it statically, or use the global zone as a NAT for your local container [22:07:26] <Gman_> reflect, everyone's different i guess, and i just see advantages of having a collection of data easily available and searchable [22:08:29] <richlowe> even better if it differentiates between sun and 3rd party drivers. [22:08:40] <fred343> stevel: ok, so do you have a link or an idea about how to set up NAT, and also when configuring the zone i would just use the same nic i get w/ ifconfig, right? [22:08:59] <fred343> *nic name [22:09:35] <stevel> fred343: i followed the guide here: http://blogs.sun.com/edp/entry/using_branded_zones_on_a [22:09:48] <stevel> a quick google also turns up this one: http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=95534&tstart=15 [22:10:05] <stevel> i can't vouch for the second one, but edp's blog entry helped me get NAT setup and working just fine [22:10:23] <fred343> alright, thanks 1000000 i was at a complete dead end [22:10:40] <stevel> darrenm wrote a followup blog using network automagic (if you use that): http://blogs.sun.com/darren/entry/network_automagic%2C_brandz%2C_nat_and [22:12:20] <stevel> and one last one for the road: http://blogs.sun.com/ford/entry/using_nat_in_the_global [22:12:24] <cla|> re, could someone explain me the sentence from /about/roadmap "Developer Tools Consolidation" ? [22:13:16] *** axisys has quit IRC [22:13:18] <stevel> DevPro (the official name of the consolidation) is hoping to make the source code to SCCS/make available in 11/2006 [22:14:18] <cla|> consolidation is a court buisness? [22:14:48] <Gman_> stevel, woo, in less than 2 days time! :) [22:15:05] <stevel> consolidation is Sun's term for a group of source code [22:15:07] <cla|> :) [22:15:13] <fred343> stevel: one other thing, can you run the zone without any networking, or does it rely on a connection to talk to the global zone [22:15:13] <cla|> ah, ok [22:15:14] <stevel> gman_: hence my "hoping" ;-) [22:15:16] <cla|> thanks stevel [22:15:22] <richlowe> Gman_: hah. [22:15:46] <stevel> fred343: you can run without any networking. it uses lofs to mount stuff from the global zone, and private interfaces for any need to talk to the global zone. i've run zones w/o networking before [22:16:08] <fred343> k, thanks again [22:16:17] <richlowe> I mostly don't give them interfaces, though I tend to only have them around for short periods of time. [22:16:49] <fred343> why? [22:17:07] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [22:17:07] <fred343> i mean why for short periouds of time [22:17:26] <richlowe> because I mostly use them to test various things. [22:17:33] <fred343> ic [22:17:38] <richlowe> and because until fairly recently liveupgrade didn't get along so well with zones. [22:17:56] <mrdeviant> lu now works with zones ? [22:18:28] <sommerfeld> as of build 53 [22:18:31] *** Burana has quit IRC [22:18:32] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [22:18:38] <richlowe> I think the install bits of Zulu went back into 53. [22:18:52] <mrdeviant> oh great! [22:18:53] <stevel> richlowe: yup [22:22:25] <trygvis> hmm .. anyone have a sample ldap object for use with ldapclient init? [22:24:20] *** krozinov has joined #opensolaris [22:28:39] <stevel> uh-oh, the feds are here [22:28:42] * stevel points at Gman [22:28:43] <stevel> he did it [22:28:45] <stevel> whatever it was [22:32:40] <alanc> I'm sure the feds will love a trip to new zealand to interrogate him [22:32:49] <Teknix> i have a machine that's giving me the following: "svc.startd[7]: svc:/system/filesystem/root:default: Method "/lib/svc/method/fs-root" failed due to signal KILL." It hangs for 10 minutes and then drops to the "type root password or control-d to bypass". Typing the root password just causes it to sit and hang some more, and I never get dropped to a prompt [22:34:25] <Gman_> stevel, cool! [22:34:27] *** Burana has quit IRC [22:35:17] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [22:38:01] * boyd sings Dire Straits. "I want build.... I want build fifty-threeeeee" [22:38:45] *** jafari has quit IRC [22:39:32] <mrdeviant> richlowe, any idea if/when it'll be backported to 10 ? [22:39:44] <stevel> mrdeviant: zulu? yes [22:39:52] <mrdeviant> is that its codename? [22:40:04] <stevel> Zones Upgrade Live Upgrade [22:40:12] <stevel> acronym/codename [22:40:13] <mrdeviant> ah [22:40:29] <stevel> not sure if that was engineered, or just a happy coincidence :) [22:40:34] <reflect> will zones ever work with other operating systems, or will it always be solaris only? [22:40:49] <mrdeviant> reflect, brandz uses them to run other oses [22:41:23] <reflect> mrdeviant: do you know which OSes? [22:41:31] <reflect> or where I can find out more? [22:41:41] <mrdeviant> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/ [22:42:36] <reflect> now this sounds really interesting :) [22:42:39] <reflect> thank you for that [22:42:42] *** cyl2 has joined #opensolaris [22:48:15] *** qdk has quit IRC [22:48:43] *** qdk has joined #opensolaris [22:49:50] *** tsoome has quit IRC [22:55:46] <cyl2> is it possible to bind two default routes to different network interfaces? [22:56:14] <hile_> yes [22:56:18] <asyd> sure [22:56:23] <cyl2> ie bge0 goes to 192.168.01, bge1 goes to 10.0.0.1 [22:56:28] <cyl2> I tried adding two default routes [22:56:29] <hile_> or at least, it's possible to have two default routes [22:56:44] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [22:56:48] <cyl2> but solaris round robins it [22:57:05] <cyl2> so when I ping it from a machine on 192.168.0.x sometimes the packet is dropped [22:57:58] <cyl2> it receives the packet fine but then tries to send it out the other network interface [22:59:21] <cyl2> I used route add default xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -ifp <interface> [23:01:31] *** alanc has quit IRC [23:02:02] <cyl2> any ideas :D [23:03:33] <PerterB> surely if you only want the traffic to go via one route, then you only need one default route [23:05:19] <trygvis> remind me, do I need anything but posixAccount when I'm making users in ldap? [23:05:27] <razrX> could setting a metric perhaps bring the solution to cyl2's "problem" ? [23:05:41] <jbk> trygvis: shadowaccount [23:05:42] <cyl2> The problem is that I have a zone that is routed via the 2nd route [23:05:49] <trygvis> ah, right [23:06:54] <jbk> now if they'd only improve the host access control w/ ldap [23:06:56] <dwc-> I don't think it works that way ... [23:07:02] <cormac_> hrm [23:07:05] <trygvis> yah, I've been annoyed with that too [23:07:23] <dwc-> I think you'd need some source-routing rules in ipfilter [23:07:29] *** bougie has quit IRC [23:07:40] <jbk> basically create a profile for every box, or use netgroups (which as implemented presently in ldap seem to be duct-taped in) [23:08:03] <cyl2> I know crossbow is going to solve all my problems [23:08:24] <PerterB> netgroups + passwd: compat is certainly a bit of a horror [23:08:59] <cyl2> except that it's not in the ON builds yet [23:08:59] <PerterB> I ended up porting linux' pam_access for access control and feeding it off the same netgroups [23:09:16] <jbk> yeah, the problem with that is, you still need to touch every box when you need to change things [23:09:22] <trygvis> hm .. how can I check that it's configured properly? I know the entry is there, but "id trygvis" say that I don't exist :) [23:09:27] <jbk> it also doesn't allow you to really take advantage of ldap [23:09:36] <boyd> trygvis: You don't exist [23:09:38] <jbk> try ldaplist passwd [23:09:40] <trygvis> oh no [23:09:50] <trygvis> Object not found [23:09:51] <boyd> who said that? [23:10:00] <trygvis> hmm .. I wonder if the root dn is wrong [23:10:00] <cyl2> dwc-: is there any good guides on adding source-routing? [23:10:17] <PerterB> no, the netgroups that pam_access was using were in ldap... so you set up the classes of user once per box, then provision access by adding people to the appropriate netgroups, no need to touch the box [23:10:24] *** glagasse has quit IRC [23:10:27] * cyl2 goes to search bigadm [23:10:48] <dwc-> cyl2: what version of solaris are you running? [23:10:58] <cyl2> dwc-: b51 [23:11:20] <jbk> still if you wanted to changes what netgroups were allowed in the box, you still need to touch the file in /etc [23:11:41] <dwc-> it may or may not work with the ipfilter you have .... the one in s10u0 and u1 seemed to produce corrupt packets [23:11:47] <PerterB> yes, but in practice with a server population of about 400, that meant 2 or 3 changes a week [23:11:52] <dwc-> let me see.... [23:12:17] <jbk> my thing is, ldap allows for storing all sorts of potentially useful information for a user, why not allow that to be part of your access control policy? [23:12:21] <trygvis> hmm .. a manual search returns me [23:12:36] <PerterB> because that would be far too useful :) [23:12:50] <dwc-> maybe this fixes it -- http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=69414 [23:13:13] <jbk> i managed to create something that would, but it was a pain in the ass.. especially since there is no supported way to obtain the current ldap client config [23:13:22] <jbk> using roles in sun's ldap server [23:13:39] <jbk> (mostly because i *really* didn't want to implement ldap group resolution in a pam module) [23:14:02] <dwc-> cyl2: see if this helps http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6422398 [23:14:32] <cyl2> funny that it's in the zfs-crypto repository [23:14:57] * dwc- ran into that bug, but was busy trying to get something to work... and never remembered to report it [23:15:19] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [23:15:19] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [23:15:49] <dwc-> shoudl work in yours [23:17:00] <jbk> if only my company was more enlightened.. i could release the code for all to laugh at :) [23:17:31] <cormac_> hrm [23:17:48] <sommerfeld> jbk: you might want to compare notes with Nicolas Williams and Darren Moffat [23:17:58] <cormac_> anyone here work for sun? [23:18:04] <cyl2> dwc-: alright I'm going to try it :D thank god for ilom [23:18:36] <dwc-> you'll want two rules [23:18:37] <sommerfeld> cormac_: well, sun pays my paycheck.. [23:18:44] <cormac_> sommerfeld: i see [23:18:47] <dwc-> one for each of your defaultroutes [23:18:58] <cormac_> what do they pay you for? [23:19:07] <cormac_> sommerfeld: anyone else working for sun? [23:20:01] <cormac_> id like to help out [23:20:10] <cormac_> perhaps there are areas you guys need help with? [23:20:32] <LeftWing> jbk: You could use something like cfengine to manage the /etc files pertaining to access control... [23:20:45] <sommerfeld> cormac: go browsing around on www.opensolaris.org to see any of the projects there fit with your interests and skills [23:21:08] <cormac_> mm yhea, cool, I was looking at it the other day [23:21:13] <Error_404> or fix a bunch of oss-bite-size bugs [23:21:18] <cormac_> Its just had to gauge which areas need more attention [23:21:55] <cormac_> *hard [23:22:24] <cyl2> you can help with project crossbow1 [23:22:34] <cormac_> crossbow1? [23:22:37] * cormac_ reads up [23:22:39] <cyl2> err just crossbow [23:22:47] <cyl2> i meant to type ! [23:22:58] <cormac_> :) [23:23:00] <cyl2> they are doing code reviews right now [23:23:26] <cormac_> Network Virtualisation, cool [23:23:29] <jbk> LeftWing: what I'd *really* like is something where all the info is stored in ldap, so all you have to do is initalize the client, and you're on your way [23:24:02] <rodrickbrown> jbk create a profile map in ldap [23:24:06] <sommerfeld> cormac: so, i'm a big fan of enlightened self interest over centralized planning. Contribute to an area where *you* think solaris/opensolaris needs work and you can help.. [23:24:09] <rodrickbrown> with all the attributes needed to be binded [23:24:14] <rodrickbrown> and just run ldapclient init [23:25:02] <cormac_> sommerfeld: mm yeah ok. I just started with sun, so I guess maybe I should work on something related to my work there [23:25:17] <cormac_> crosbow looks pretty cool [23:25:37] <cyl2> it is, I wish they had it in solaris a few months ago :D [23:25:51] <Kronuz> hey, I have this problem can anybody guess what's the reason: [23:25:52] <Kronuz> okay first the DEL and the backspace keys both do the same (delete the previous character) then if I do 'stty -a' it shows erase is ^H, erase2 is also ^H ... [23:26:16] <Kronuz> then if I do stty erase ^? then the backspace stops working and just the DEL key works (as backspace) [23:26:20] *** estibi_ has quit IRC [23:26:35] <LeftWing> jbk: We roll cfengine in during a standard build, so it's in there at the beginning anyway. =) You could also have a look at pam_require (group-based access control for PAM). [23:26:44] <Kronuz> later, if I do 'stty erase ^H' now the backspace key works but not the DEL key anymore (it prints ^?) [23:26:44] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [23:26:59] <Kronuz> why? if it's supposedly as it started? (both erase and erase2 being ^H) [23:27:13] *** buck has joined #opensolaris [23:27:15] <Kronuz> I would have guessed the DEL key shouldn't be working from the start... [23:27:19] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [23:27:29] *** dj2 has quit IRC [23:28:01] *** pitty has joined #opensolaris [23:28:31] <buck> Any idea only one FC port on the 3510 is accessible by a Sun machine? Only FC0 is seen, but when I try FC1 to FC3, it's not shown under "format" [23:29:07] <LeftWing> Have you read the manual for the 3510? [23:29:14] <hali> thats how the 3510 work [23:29:15] <buck> although the green light is on [23:29:18] <hali> you need to map the luns [23:29:36] <buck> ohh [23:29:47] <hali> sort of the san concept ;) [23:30:03] <buck> hehhe...i'm picking it up :) [23:30:28] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [23:30:51] <buck> hali, can I use RASP to reset the IP address on the 3510 like I can with the T3 ? [23:32:17] *** samahaw has joined #opensolaris [23:32:26] <samahaw> can I install solaris on sata discs? [23:33:03] *** ada has quit IRC [23:33:48] <delewis> samahaw, I'll give you the same answer as I did in #solaris. Sun has decided to produce a line of servers and workstations that have SATA disks. It seem logical that they have SATA support in Solaris then. [23:34:14] <delewis> though, you need a supported controller. [23:34:22] *** cla| is now known as cla [23:34:55] <cyl2> support controller being the key word [23:34:58] <cyl2> *supported [23:34:59] *** cla is now known as cla| [23:35:07] <sommerfeld> for instance, Thumper (X4500) is entirely SATA [23:36:25] <Error_404> delewis: my controller isn't supported, it just falls back to ata mode [23:36:31] <Error_404> sis 3150 or something to that effect [23:36:52] <delewis> Error_404, nice. [23:36:53] <cyl2> I remember, grabbing the SATA 8port supermicro controller(uses the same chip as the x4500) that they recommended in the mailing list... only to find out the driver wasn't in the current version of the ON build a couple of months ago. [23:37:20] <delewis> my experience with SATA hardware is fairly limited, as I've only worked with SCSI and fibre-channel in Solaris. [23:37:37] <delewis> and an IDE controller that had to have DMA disabled to work properly in Solaris. :-) [23:37:44] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:37:52] *** cla| is now known as cla [23:37:56] <delewis> though, that my router, which runs Solaris 9. [23:38:01] <delewis> and has run Solaris 9 for the past 3 years. [23:38:37] *** cla is now known as cla| [23:41:15] <stevel> anyone here wise in apache-fu? [23:42:42] <delewis> I wonder why the Vermillion tarballs aren't gzip'd. [23:43:59] <samahaw> i have a spare intel machine with core duo, and it has four sata drives but i guess i cant use them [23:44:16] <delewis> samahaw, does Solaris not detect them? [23:45:14] <samahaw> i dont know, havent tried yet [23:45:22] <delewis> uh, well try. [23:45:31] <samahaw> the java desktop is awesome! [23:45:36] <samahaw> one glitch tho [23:46:05] * sniffy & [23:46:11] <samahaw> i accidentally chose large fonts theme and cant go back, i have huge fonts [23:46:18] <samahaw> how could I go back? [23:46:21] <Error_404> delewis: everything inside them is already compressed [23:46:22] <samahaw> :) [23:46:58] <noyb> help, I'm bloated and I can't get down... [23:47:13] <samahaw> Any suggestions/ideas? [23:47:25] <noyb> try Ctrl+- (minus) ? [23:48:58] <samahaw> no :/ [23:49:03] <noyb> bummer [23:49:41] <noyb> login to the box remotely, run gconf-editor ? [23:50:39] <samahaw> never happened with you guys? [23:51:01] *** cla| is now known as cla [23:52:09] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [23:52:33] *** icon has joined #opensolaris [23:53:10] *** Kronuz has left #OpenSolaris [23:57:10] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [23:57:19] <gisburn> !seen kupfer [23:57:20] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!i=kupfer@nat/sun/x-4f49b394ec6833e8) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 08 Nov 2006 23:13 GMT, saying 'hi Rich. thanks for forwarding me the tools list.'. [23:58:58] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris [23:59:36] *** krozinov has quit IRC [23:59:40] <gisburn> Is half Sun on vacation again ?