[00:00:16] *** Mazon is now known as mazon
[00:01:17] <nrubsig> eboutilier: Is there any formal procedure to ban people from mailinglists ?
[00:01:28] <nrubsig> (at opensolaris.org)
[00:01:38] <Gman> haha
[00:01:52] <Gman> wouldn't make a difference, we have jive! :)
[00:02:33] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC
[00:02:45] <nrubsig> Gman: I can ban him at the mailman level
[00:02:52] <eboutilier> nrubsig: Not that I know of, other than moderators' discretion...
[00:02:59] <nrubsig> Gman: e.g. create a filter which rejects all emails
[00:03:12] <nrubsig> nrubsig: moderators... what ?
[00:03:32] <eboutilier> nrubsig: I misread...
[00:03:43] <eboutilier> I thought you meant policy... but you said procedure.
[00:04:23] <nrubsig> eboutilier: I mean: alanc asked to get Mr. Martin 'IdiotAssTroll' Schafstall banned from our list.
[00:04:57] <eboutilier> I suspect he'll just pick another name to masquarade under anyway.
[00:05:15] <nrubsig> eboutilier: basically I don't like the idea to kick people off the list without a proper procedure
[00:05:21] <nrubsig> umpf
[00:05:26] <nrubsig> yeah
[00:05:28] <nrubsig> email
[00:05:29] <nrubsig> bad
[00:05:39] <stevel> procedure: piss off enough of the people who have the mailman master password, and you get banned
[00:05:53] <stevel> who has the mailman master password and is pissed off at Martin Schafstall?
[00:05:53] <alanc> I didn't expect anyone to spend much effort on it, just make it clear to him that his behaviour was unacceptable
[00:05:56] * stevel raises his hand
[00:06:14] <nrubsig> stevel: What about this:
[00:06:33] <nrubsig> stevel: I ask for more voted prot/contra Mr. Sheep
[00:06:47] <nrubsig> and when we get 3+ and no pro vote we kick him Ok ?
[00:06:55] <Gman> i don't think it really matters much
[00:07:08] <Gman> he'll stay quiet for another couple of weeks then come out with something else along the line
[00:07:17] <Gman> nrubsig, maybe you should talk to him directly
[00:07:22] <Gman> since he only seems to care about ksh93
[00:07:29] <eboutilier> AFAIC Martin Schafstall is not anybody, he's just the  manifestation of the universal troll  collective. Impossible to ban. Must learn to just  tolerate -- IMO.
[00:07:34] <alanc> easy to just get another gmail/hotmail/yahoomail address and mail from there
[00:07:46] <Gman> or use jive
[00:08:07] <nrubsig> Gman: I can prevent him from using jive.
[00:08:08] <Gman> you could sneakily put him on moderation
[00:08:19] <alanc> the most important message is that everyone else disagreed with him and encouraged the ksh93 project team to continue
[00:08:20] <nrubsig> yeah
[00:08:47] <eboutilier> alanc++
[00:09:19] * nrubsig wonders wheher he can risk to drink a coffee...
[00:11:35] <nrubsig> Gman: and yes, I emailed him a few times
[00:11:59] <nrubsig> Gman: using the cool sentence I learned from Stuart Kreitman
[00:13:01] <nrubsig> but right now I feel the urge to kick someone again
[00:13:01] <Gman> which was?
[00:13:37] <nrubsig> "...we share many principals, so as a friend, I wish to advise you to soften your message. The best way to do that is to avoid words of emotion. I take note of the words: ..." and so on...
[00:13:45] <nrubsig> blabla
[00:13:53] <nrubsig> little bit longer
[00:14:19] <nrubsig> and I adopt is from time to time to match the destination
[00:14:22] * Gman would probably avoid that and say 'dude, cop on, you're seriously hurting any hopes i have with integrating this project into solaris'
[00:15:09] * stevel would have settled for "bugger off"
[00:15:14] <jmcp> ditto
[00:15:19] <jmcp> Gman: "cop on" ??
[00:15:28] <Gman> must be an irishism
[00:15:30] <jmcp> must be some IreKiwi slang
[00:15:31] <jmcp> :)
[00:15:36] <nrubsig> Gman: Right now I would say: "hey, dude, shut the hell up and hide under your bed before I can get my craws on your flesh and rip you into little pieces and feed them to my komodo dragons..."
[00:15:48] <Gman> he'd probably laugh at you
[00:15:55] <nrubsig> GRUMPF
[00:16:21] <jmcp> back later folks
[00:16:22] *** jmcp has left #opensolaris
[00:16:31] <nrubsig> Gman: OpenSolaris has some money, right ?
[00:16:40] <Gman> oh well, at least the dev conference will be good for something :)
[00:16:45] * stevel checks his wallet
[00:16:49] <stevel> yeah, OpenSolaris has (some) money
[00:16:50] <nrubsig> Gman: can't we hire an assassin and kill him ?
[00:16:53] <Gman> i dunno - i imagine there might be some money around for important issues
[00:17:19] <nrubsig> Death by:
[00:17:50] *** krozinov has quit IRC
[00:18:15] * Gman /ignores nrubsig
[00:18:30] <_william_> gn
[00:18:31] *** _william_ has left #opensolaris
[00:18:38] <nrubsig> Okok... just dreaming and venting my wrath
[00:18:58] <dwc-> wow... the jive thing is kinda useless ....
[00:19:25] <nrubsig> dwc-: you realise this... today ?
[00:19:36] <dwc-> this is the first time I've tried searching
[00:19:48] <nrubsig> dwc-: use google
[00:19:49] *** regx has joined #opensolaris
[00:19:57] <dwc-> where it's told me there's something in particular in the thread
[00:20:01] <dwc-> I've clicked on the thread, and it's nowhere to be found
[00:20:13] <nrubsig> dwc-: just stick the url of the mailman archive into the site: thing
[00:20:23] <dwc-> already went to the pipermail list
[00:20:28] <nrubsig> erm
[00:20:29] <dwc-> archive and found what I was looking for
[00:20:30] *** stevel changes topic to "opensolaris.org down, estimate: <10 minutes | Latest builds: SXCR: 52 | ON build: 52 | ON nightly: 20061120"
[00:20:30] <nrubsig> no
[00:20:50] <nrubsig> stevel: are you adding a ban for schafstall ?
[00:21:02] <nrubsig> or just regular maintaince ?
[00:21:10] <stevel> irregular maintenance
[00:21:21] <nrubsig> stevel: what happened ?
[00:22:24] <stevel> we had a rather important process on our nfs server die
[00:22:31] <stevel> init(1)
[00:22:42] <nrubsig> heh
[00:22:51] <nrubsig> why ?
[00:23:00] <nrubsig> Does the server run Nevada ?
[00:25:26] <stevel> errant process caused us to run out of swap, init choked and never respawned
[00:25:33] <stevel> we eat our own dog food :)
[00:26:25] <nrubsig> stevel: how much swap does the box have ?
[00:26:27] *** fik has quit IRC
[00:26:36] <stevel> 4gb i think
[00:26:47] <nrubsig> stevel: and the runaway process is 32bit ?
[00:27:23] <stevel> java process, not sure if it was running 32 or 64
[00:27:34] <nrubsig> pldd $pid
[00:29:06] <nrubsig> urgh
[00:29:08] <nrubsig> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/
[00:29:21] <nrubsig> WTF do we have 291KB of traffic this month again ?
[00:29:36] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 52 | ON build: 52 | ON nightly: 20061120"
[00:29:41] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca
[00:29:53] <dwc-> because people don't know how to strip out the message they're replying to
[00:30:29] <nrubsig> dwc-: that kb number is compressed... gzip
[00:31:09] <nrubsig> we're beating opensolaris-discuss@ almost every month
[00:31:36] <nrubsig> (more or less)
[00:32:07] <Gman> maybe you should cut down on the number of mails you're sending then? :)
[00:32:21] <dwc-> yea, in some threads, it looks like half the traffic is nrubsig ;)
[00:33:03] <Gman> and other threads are all flames
[00:33:37] <Tp_away> stevel: my weekly builds will have to wait for the bugfix testing to finish as I'm using those machines
[00:39:19] <stevel> tp_away: you put the wrong email address in your RTI
[00:39:30] <Tp_away> oh bugger
[00:39:39] <Tp_away> what should i have put?
[00:39:46] <stevel> mine is 'stephen'
[00:39:52] <Tp_away> arg
[00:39:53] <nettie> hi guys, anyone had chance to run solaris on an opteron based  dell 1435 please?
[00:39:54] <stevel> 'steven' is someone else who gets a ton of mail meant for me, and probably hates me
[00:40:12] <Tp_away> good thing it's  notsubmitdte yet
[00:40:48] <Tp_away> fixed
[00:41:04] <Tp_away> did he forward it to you? (woindering how you got it)
[00:41:26] <stevel> yeah
[00:41:31] <stevel> he's nice and forwards me all my stuff :)
[00:41:36] <Tp_away> :)
[00:42:03] <Gman> nettie, did you try the device detection tool?
[00:42:07] *** Tp_away is now known as Tpent1
[00:42:22] *** Tpenta has quit IRC
[00:42:25] *** Tpent1 is now known as Tpenta
[00:42:29] <Gman> nettie, http://bigadmin.eng.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html.
[00:42:34] <Tpenta> I hate when i forget to do that
[00:42:37] <nettie> nope I dont have the box.. I'm tryign to figure out if I could buy it or not :)
[00:42:43] <nettie> I got that iso thanx.
[00:42:58] <Gman> nod
[00:43:14] <Gman> checking the bits off the hcl is probably one way of doing it
[00:43:20] <Gman> google is another
[00:43:26] <nettie> Dell 1950/2950 anyone please?
[00:43:34] * stevel grumbles
[00:43:40] <stevel> we need to ship bsddb with our python
[00:43:40] <Gman> buying it, trying to install it and logging bugs for what doesn't work is another
[00:43:43] <nettie> Gman ehehe I already googled before botherign you guys
[00:43:48] <nettie> eheheh
[00:43:53] <Gman> stevel, yes, it's an utter pain
[00:43:54] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris
[00:43:55] <nrubsig> stevel: why ?
[00:43:56] <nettie> good 'expansive
[00:43:59] <nettie> point
[00:43:59] <Tpenta> gman, is GConf ever going to be fixed to recognise that + has to be a valid char in a directory name if we are going to have a timezone component?
[00:44:00] <nettie> ehehe
[00:44:20] <Gman> stevel, laca sent a mail to the sun bdb guys about it, but never heard back
[00:44:24] <nettie> I think I'll try to get through it chipset by chipset then..
[00:44:39] <Gman> Tpenta, is there a bug logged?
[00:44:51] <nettie> Gman do you know when it's due next solaris update please?
[00:44:55] <nrubsig> Tpenta: it is Gconf - Gnome technoogy!
[00:44:56] <Tpenta> no idea, i would have hoped that tere are more than me noticing this
[00:45:08] * nrubsig raises his hand
[00:45:09] <Tpenta> GConf Error: Bad key or directory name: "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/GMT+00/command": `+' is an invalid character in key/directory names
[00:45:32] <laca> Gman: that's right, thanks for reminding me, i'll resend that mail
[00:45:45] <nrubsig> Tpenta: don't ask how the messages look like in zh_CN.GB18030
[00:45:52] <Tpenta> i wont
[00:46:02] <nrubsig> total garbage
[00:46:09] <Gman> nettie, sorry, no
[00:46:14] <nrubsig> i18n seems to be optional for Gnome
[00:46:37] <Gman> Tpenta, dunno why they're registering a url-handler
[00:46:49] <Tpenta> not even sure what's generating the message
[00:48:48] <Gman> dunno, it's pretty broken :)
[00:49:38] <Gman> nrubsig, until you actually file bugs, you're mostly going to be ignored
[00:53:38] *** peteh has quit IRC
[00:53:46] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris
[00:54:33] <Axposf> bye all,see you tomorrow
[00:54:34] <Gman> Tpenta, i don't see that in the latest version of gnome fwiw
[00:54:47] <Gman> so check if it still exists in snv53
[00:56:06] <laca> Gman: wow, i've got 3 vacation messages back for 4 recipients
[00:56:19] <Axposf> (ah can you greet me Mr. schaffstall? :-P )
[00:56:24] <Axposf> bye :-)
[00:57:34] *** Axposf has left #opensolaris
[00:58:13] *** Axposf has joined #opensolaris
[00:58:45] <Axposf> (ok good night)
[00:58:49] *** Axposf has left #opensolaris
[00:58:51] <nettie> what's a good discount on Sun hardware based on the pricing shown on their website?
[00:58:52] <Gman> laca, yeah, thanksgiving ;)
[00:59:22] <twincest> nettie: i've heard 20-40%
[00:59:46] <nettie> I'm trying to find an execuse to buy Sun hardware but all I got was a 20% and the servers costs like the double compared to a Dell PE same configuration :(
[00:59:58] <twincest> i forget what they offered us last time, but Dell was willing to go lower
[01:00:07] <twincest> (for basically the same specification)
[01:00:11] <nettie> yeah
[01:00:21] <nettie> I got a preliminary offer
[01:01:42] <nettie> from dell, the SC1435 with 2x opty 2212HE 2.0GHz, 8GB RAM (4x2GB), 2x500GB HD, rails and stuff was like 2600 but our sales guys told me they could definitely go lower than 2400
[01:01:50] <twincest> the difference wasn't double though, it was fairly close
[01:02:08] <nettie> the sun x2200 m2 was like 4800
[01:02:12] <nettie> same specs
[01:02:13] <twincest> $?
[01:02:18] <nettie> nope
[01:02:19] <nettie> euros
[01:02:21] <nettie> I'm in europe
[01:02:22] <twincest> hmm
[01:02:24] <twincest> yeah, same
[01:02:27] <nettie> but it's still pretty good
[01:02:36] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[01:02:40] <nettie> I would like to have LOM
[01:03:11] <nettie> but guys, the double for LOM doesnt make sense to me.. simply not worth.. I would same and invest in a terminal server
[01:03:11] <nettie> ehee
[01:03:18] <twincest> well, dell has DRAC
[01:03:19] <Plaidrab> Is it purple?
[01:03:31] <nettie> then the dell comes with IPMI 2.0
[01:03:36] <nettie> twincest did you ever try it?
[01:03:41] <nettie> I never bought one with it
[01:03:51] <twincest> yeah, apparently it's very similar to the Galaxy ILOM, but with more bugs :)
[01:03:58] <twincest> we didn't try upgrading the firmware yet though
[01:04:18] <twincest> (sun's had serious bugs too with the shipped firmware, so...)
[01:04:25] <Plaidrab> I've only played with the pre-SSH v240 ALOMs
[01:05:09] <nettie> ahh
[01:05:20] <nettie> do you think it's worth buying?
[01:05:42] <twincest> drac?  for us it's essential, because access to the hardware is limited and everything is done remotely
[01:05:55] <twincest> it's fairly cheap, so i'd probably say it's worth it unless you really have no need
[01:06:10] <nettie> twincest you guys dont have a TS then?
[01:06:11] <twincest> (same for sun i/alom)
[01:06:16] *** dj2 has quit IRC
[01:06:33] <twincest> we do but it ran out of ports.. and it's easier to use the LOM than add TSs
[01:06:41] <twincest> plus the lom also does remote power
[01:06:51] <twincest> so we'd need a term server + bootbox for the same effect
[01:07:07] <nettie> yeah.. this box will be in a new colo so it will be alone at the moment, that's the reason I was thinking about getting a sun with LOM
[01:07:18] <dlg> get a sparc
[01:07:25] <dlg> best lom evar
[01:07:30] <twincest> the V40z/v20z does have one nice feature that the Dell doesn't: you can chain the servers together and use only a single switchport
[01:07:41] <twincest> i don't know if the Xnnnnn servers do that as well..
[01:08:00] <nettie> we actually have apc power stripes there.. which are remotely controlalble as well
[01:08:03] <twincest> (basically the lom has a built-in two-port switch)
[01:08:04] <nettie> twincest nice
[01:08:10] <nettie> yup I got it
[01:08:34] <nettie> twincest what dell are you guys using with solaris?
[01:08:45] <twincest> none, we run linux
[01:08:48] <nettie> ahh eheh
[01:08:51] <nettie> I run linux too
[01:08:54] <nettie> :)
[01:09:05] <nettie> this is gonna be our first solaris box
[01:09:42] <nettie> linux is definitely less picky hardwarewise
[01:09:43] <nettie> eheh
[01:10:19] <twincest> for solaris i'd definitely lean towards sun, particularly for the support aspect
[01:10:29] * dlg agree with twincest
[01:10:44] <nettie> yeah..
[01:10:56] <nettie> I know but damn .. I definitely must find a better deal
[01:11:53] <dlg> sun gear is that bad
[01:12:12] <dlg> isnt
[01:12:17] <twincest> i'm surprised the price difference was so high
[01:13:34] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[01:13:39] <nettie> yeah, maybe the problem is that I'm not buyign directly from sun but from one of their reseller..
[01:13:47] <nettie> yeah ..
[01:15:20] <nettie> are you guys using any network storage ? AoE/iSCSI ?
[01:15:40] <twincest> not currently
[01:16:20] <Plaidrab> We just have a few disk packs and D1000s Nothing sexy
[01:16:25] *** eboutilier has quit IRC
[01:17:10] <nettie> I did some test, AoE using the vblade is great, it also supports jumbo frames but I didnt try that feature yet.
[01:17:24] <nettie> problem is always the same anyway.. active-active replication
[01:21:21] *** Dragonfire1 has quit IRC
[01:23:57] <twincest> curious, i never knew about getconf POSIX_V6_LP64_OFF64_CFLAGS
[01:30:49] <nrubsig> ahhgrrrllll
[01:31:27] <nrubsig> twincest: getconf
[01:31:28] <nrubsig> not again
[01:31:30] <nrubsig> horror
[01:31:52] *** ndroux has quit IRC
[01:32:21] <alanc> getconf POSIX_TORTURE_METHODS >> /dev/nrubsig
[01:32:34] <nrubsig> ahhhhggllrrrr *plock*
[01:33:04] <nrubsig> alanc: you're so... so... brutal!
[01:33:35] <nrubsig> BTW: wrong device
[01:33:52] <nrubsig> next time try /dev/gisburn@rev
[01:38:08] <LeftWing> Hmm, quick question... If I set up a pooladm pset with 2 of the available 8 CPUs in it, and I assign a couple of pools+zones with the FSS sched class to that pset, the FSS will (for those zones) just share between the two CPUs in the pset?
[01:47:46] <boyd_> That's my understanding
[01:55:36] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris
[02:00:04] *** peteh has quit IRC
[02:00:21] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris
[02:08:31] *** simford has joined #OpenSolaris
[02:13:24] *** hell` has joined #opensolaris
[02:14:55] *** agliodbs has quit IRC
[02:18:31] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[02:19:24] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris
[02:20:27] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away
[02:22:56] *** astinus has quit IRC
[02:24:39] *** astinus has joined #opensolaris
[02:25:15] *** OnkelSchorsch_ has joined #opensolaris
[02:27:00] *** stevel has quit IRC
[02:27:20] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC
[02:30:14] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris
[02:39:22] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris
[02:40:59] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC
[02:41:35] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[02:42:20] <hell`> putting a entry like 192.168.0.0 in the netmasks adds a route to the route table so I shouldnt need to define another route if i want to tell all packets going to 192.168.0.0/32 to goto the gw 192.168.0.248 ?
[02:47:46] *** simford has quit IRC
[02:48:41] <IvanR_>  /etc/netmasks doesn't affect routing, I think you want /etc/defaultrouter or /etc/gateways
[02:54:06] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[02:59:45] <delewis> panic[cpu8]/thread=300013d7980: BAD TRAP: type=31 rp=2a1003c0840 addr=0 mmu_fsr=0 occurred in module "md" due to a NULL pointer dereference
[02:59:48] <delewis> whee.
[03:00:01] <delewis> b51a and b52 installers
[03:01:47] <Tpenta> just a thought, do we have a metadevice that does not start with a 'd'?
[03:02:03] <delewis> Tpenta: nope, all of my metadevices are d*
[03:02:16] <Tpenta> i just saw a nevada putback abt that issue
[03:02:22] <delewis> metainit: trap type = 0x31
[03:02:22] <delewis> pid=1121, pc=0x7b7085b0, sp=0x2a1003c00e1, tstate=0x4480001600, context=0x45
[03:02:26] <delewis> g1-g7: 70104400, 0, 60001bd4000, 0, 701047f0, 45, 300013d7980
[03:02:26] *** timelyx has joined #opensolaris
[03:02:27] <delewis> interesting
[03:02:30] <delewis> let me check onnv-notify
[03:02:49] <delewis> ah, no
[03:02:53] <delewis> all of mine are definitely d*
[03:03:13] <delewis> I'll try re-labeling the disks and getting rid of the metadbs
[03:03:16] <delewis> (not a big deal)
[03:05:49] <jmcp> Tpenta: iirc there is/was a project to not only allow >256 metadevices, but to also allow somewhat-friendlier names for them
[03:11:57] <hile_> I think you can already have > 256?
[03:11:58] <boyd_> >256 is avail by default in s10
[03:12:08] <hile_> we've got a fuckload of dXXX at work
[03:12:10] <boyd_> in <10 you had to set nmd=something
[03:12:32] <boyd_> I think the max is 8192
[03:13:41] <jmcp> hile_: there was a bit of hackery required though, and I think the project was to remove the necessity of doing that
[03:13:52] <boyd_> All self tuning in 10
[03:14:12] <boyd_> in 9 you had to edit /kernel/drv/md.conf
[03:14:21] <jmcp> ah, that's right
[03:14:31] <hile_> IIRC they hacked the conf file
[03:15:04] <jmcp> which if it's then delivered in a Release means it's golden :)
[03:15:05] * jmcp chuckles
[03:18:38] <boyd_> I can't for the life of me find the name of the "human chosen" names for metadevices project... it was named aftersome unpronouncable long scotch whiskey
[03:18:44] <IvanR_> jmcp: Bunnahabhain was putback around mid-May
[03:18:51] <boyd_> That's it
[03:19:15] <jmcp> IvanR_: bingo!
[03:19:33] * jmcp wishes he could figure out how to pronounce Gaelic words
[03:23:01] <boyd_> It's here... but I don't see any detail http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/old/caselog/2005/153
[03:23:41] <IvanR_> boyd_: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006031403/ has a bit more
[03:24:28] <boyd_> Hmm... I wonder when it'll be in Solaris
[03:26:23] <twincest> what a horrid name for a project :)
[03:26:41] <boyd_> Especially for a "descriptive names" project :)
[03:26:54] <boyd_> They always use single-malts names in SVM land
[03:26:55] <twincest> shame that project is obsolete before it's even ready ;-D
[03:27:04] <jmcp> boyd_: maybe that's what they need to cope :)
[03:29:20] *** simford has joined #opensolaris
[03:29:44] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris
[03:34:17] <delewis> heh, sure enough.
[03:34:22] <delewis> getting rid of the metadb's fixed the issue.
[03:34:26] <delewis> I'll try reproducing it later
[03:34:41] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris
[03:45:15] *** B|nTaRa has joined #opensolaris
[03:56:45] *** robg has joined #opensolaris
[03:57:56] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[03:59:01] <robg> Hi all. I have some GCC ASM code that SUNPRO_C doesn't like. Can someone point me to any documentation which highlights the GCC ASM diffs?
[03:59:44] <robg> I can;t seem to find the info on sun docs
[04:00:15] <jmcp> developer.sun.com maybe?
[04:00:16] <jmcp> hi robg
[04:00:38] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris
[04:00:43] <robg> Hi jmcp: I'm back to that same problem the other day
[04:00:56] <jmcp> I figured
[04:00:59] <robg> I think you gave me the answer but my irc client wasn;t logging ;-(
[04:01:30] <robg> I have purchased two new C programming books since then ;-)
[04:01:41] <jmcp> re logging: bummer, and re C ... good!
[04:01:49] <jmcp> as long as the books are good. which ones did you get?>
[04:02:20] <robg> C programming in easy steps (the real simple stuff)
[04:02:35] <jmcp> K&R is *the* book to get
[04:02:42] <hile_> james: k&r 2
[04:02:56] <delewis> at least recommend the edition that has ANSI C :-)
[04:03:05] <hile_> i did, delewis
[04:03:08] <robg> and C Primer Plus by STephen Prata
[04:03:08] <delewis> Export C Programming by Peter van der Linden is good, too.
[04:03:16] <jmcp> hile_: I bet you won't be able to find K&R 1st ed with any ease
[04:03:26] <hile_> i want a copy
[04:03:43] <delewis> Peter van der Linden is an ex-Sun employee that worked on the Sun Studio team if I'm not mistaken.
[04:03:49] <delewis> so of course the book will be good :-)
[04:03:52] <jmcp> yeah, the name is familiar
[04:04:01] <delewis> lots of humorous anecdotes, too.
[04:04:09] <delewis> and insight into C89/C99
[04:04:16] <Tpenta> jmcp: I have a 1st edition here
[04:04:24] <jmcp> Tpenta: well of course you do
[04:04:25] <robg> The first is a nice easy read and actually quite good to get started, the second is a 900 page monster which has good detail but you need to know what to look for
[04:04:32] <jmcp> I got my 2nd ed in 1992
[04:04:37] <Tpenta> it was actually declan's
[04:05:41] <robg> so back to my original questions I need to make this        #define __MULH64(__x, __y)    \
[04:05:41] <robg>           ({ uint64 __lo, __hi;        \
[04:05:41] <robg>           __asm__("mulq %3" : "=a" (__lo), "=d" (__hi) : "%0" (__x), "rm" (__y)); __hi; })
[04:05:50] <robg> usable by SUNC
[04:06:05] <jmcp> Tpenta: thief! :)
[04:06:23] <Tpenta> he gave it to me instead of throwing it out
[04:06:52] <jmcp> I should send him an email
[04:07:18] * jmcp intenal-frkits
[04:08:33] *** peteh has quit IRC
[04:09:13] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris
[04:11:08] *** Barr1 has joined #opensolaris
[04:11:14] *** jmcp has quit IRC
[04:11:55] *** piwi has quit IRC
[04:12:23] <Barr1> Where can I buy a low end Sparc workstation?
[04:12:30] <delewis> Barr1: ebay.
[04:12:31] <jamesd_> ebay.com
[04:12:42] <delewis> or anysystem.comd
[04:12:44] <delewis> com*
[04:13:59] <Barr1> Then I'd probably get someone to build one for me or build it myself. Just preparing for the future.
[04:14:00] <Error_404> anysystem's kinna expensive
[04:14:11] <delewis> yes, they are :-(
[04:14:16] <Error_404> but it's consistent and they won't rip you off
[04:14:18] <delewis> but they're still one of the cheapest used VARs
[04:14:23] <Barr1> I intend to run Solaris on my Celeron.
[04:14:24] <Error_404> so *shrug* plusses and minuses
[04:14:43] <Error_404> Barr1, celeron D?
[04:15:53] <Barr1> My computer tells me "Celeron(R) 2.1"
[04:16:12] <Error_404> celeron D is the amd64 version
[04:21:01] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[04:26:47] <nrubsig> Ok, I emailed a last attempt to get this working (http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2006-November/001908.html) - if this failes we're back at the drawing board and have to redesign the putback from scratch. If that happens all the prototypes are useless and ARC case 550 was useless, too. And then my suggestion would simply be to disband the project as we're not...
[04:26:48] <nrubsig> ...able to make progress in reasonable time and/or the forseeable  future.
[04:26:50] <nrubsig> *shit*
[04:26:59] *** nrubsig has quit IRC
[04:27:36] <Barr1> Does anyone sell SPARC processors besides Sun? I checked Newegg and Crucial.
[04:28:01] <delewis> Barr1: Newegg and Crucial sell peecee components.
[04:28:12] <delewis> SPARC processors are normally sold in real, UNIX workstations.
[04:28:22] <delewis> and yes, other companies do sell SPARCs
[04:28:34] <delewis> you, in fact, could sell your own after paying SPARC Intl. $50
[04:28:52] <delewis> Fujitsu sells SPARCs
[04:28:59] <jamesd_> or do a ultraT1 that is GPL and requires no license
[04:29:03] <jmcp> delewis: and buying a fab for a few spare billion USD :)
[04:29:06] <Barr1> Any retail chains, like CompUSA?
[04:29:11] <delewis> jmcp: well, that's beside the point :-)
[04:29:14] <delewis> Barr1: no
[04:29:34] <delewis> you might be able to find yourself an OEM motherboard for an Ultra 60 or something
[04:29:41] <jamesd_> fujitsu sell sparc CPU's as well
[04:29:44] <delewis> but you're not going to find something like from a peecee vendor
[04:30:41] <delewis> the SPARC clone market has really died off so finding an OEM motherboard (especially, new) might be fairly difficult.
[04:30:49] <Error_404> retail (including internet retail) generally goes for crap consumer grade junk
[04:30:54] <Error_404> therefore = x86
[04:31:26] <Error_404> same with musical equipment, you can buy a guitar from walmart, but you really shouldn't
[04:32:04] <Error_404> real UNIX stuff is a specialized, usually commercial market
[04:33:15] *** delewis has quit IRC
[04:33:57] <Error_404> Barr1, http://www.anysystem.com/u60-ugly-1.html
[04:34:21] <Error_404> there you go, an ultra60 with 2 cpu's and a gig of ram
[04:34:30] <robg> jcmp: Okay I have scanned developer.sun.com and still can't find any reference to GCC vs SUNC assembly code diffs.... any other suggestions or am I just missing the obvious?
[04:34:35] <Error_404> probably missing a face plate somewhere or something
[04:35:33] <Barr1> I always find my self developing software that's hard on the system, and it might become commercial some day, but not yet, so I'll stick to my x86 for now.
[04:35:52] <jmcp> robg: looking, looking .....
[04:36:08] <robg> jcmp: thanking, thanking ....
[04:36:17] <Error_404> Barr1, you'd be suprised what you can push through a sparc
[04:36:27] <Error_404> apparantly blastwave ran on an ultra1 for quite a while
[04:36:43] <jmcp> robg: did you find http://developers.sun.com/solaris/reference/techart/index.jsp?
[04:36:57] <robg> I have a U5 sitting int the basement, you just have to pick it up from NZ
[04:37:14] <Error_404> shipping on that'll only be a couple thousand, heh
[04:37:23] <jmcp> robg: I think http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/x86_assembly_lang.html is the article I was remembering
[04:37:24] <boyd_> Well worth it for an ultra 5 :)
[04:37:24] <Barr1> "Solaris 8 End User Install" I guess means that Solaris 10 wouldn't work.
[04:38:31] <Error_404> Barr1, on what?
[04:38:37] <jmcp> robg: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/x86_assembly_lang.html#3 specifically
[04:38:53] <Error_404> solaris 10 runs on any sun4u machine IIRC
[04:39:03] <Barr1> On the Ugly Duckling computer that Error_404 linked to.
[04:39:17] <Error_404> oh, no... solaris 10'll run great on that machine
[04:39:48] <Error_404> I had solaris 10 on a single processor ultra2 with half that much ram. it still worked fine
[04:39:56] <Barr1> Oh. So I guess they provide a CD with Solaris 8 because they don't want to bother rewriting it with the latest.
[04:40:30] <Error_404> if you want a faster processor: http://www.anysystem.com/sun-blade-100--a36---11-02-.html
[04:40:40] <boyd_> "End User" is crap anyway... no man pages for one
[04:40:44] <Error_404> I/O will be slower but you can put a bigger harddrive in it (ATA)
[04:40:52] <twincest> boyd: what??
[04:41:12] <twincest> end users don't need documentation?
[04:41:15] <boyd_> "Solaris 8 End User Install"... The End User cluster doesn't include man pages
[04:41:35] <boyd_> I assume you're expected to nf mount them
[04:41:37] <boyd_> nfs
[04:41:37] <Barr1> I don't even know what "300MHz with 2MB Cache (qty 2 CPU)" is comparable to. Like a 600MHz Pentium?
[04:41:44] *** noyb has quit IRC
[04:42:21] <Barr1> (I'm not a hardware person)
[04:42:25] <Error_404> SMP = faster feeling, so... i dunno
[04:42:34] <jamesd_> Barr1, pretty close.. depending on task...
[04:42:38] <Error_404> 2x300 is plenty quick
[04:42:59] <Error_404> especially with that much ram in it
[04:43:34] <robg> jcmp: yep found that second link.. looking at the first now
[04:43:47] <Error_404> ultimately, it ends up being ram that makes a machine feel slow
[04:43:53] <Error_404> more ram = "faster" machine
[04:44:28] *** bobbyz has quit IRC
[04:44:29] <Error_404> i used a 700mhz athlon with 2 gigs of ram for years without noticing that the new 3ghz machines were any faster
[04:45:14] <Error_404> except for things that were verifiably CPU bound, like video encoding
[04:45:19] <Error_404> but i don't do much of that
[04:46:21] <jmcp> Error_404: so you merely consume pr0n rather than produce it?
[04:46:42] <Error_404> exactly
[04:49:20] <boyd_> That's a *good* thing for the world, I think
[04:50:36] <Error_404> yeah, i'm fairly unattractive
[04:52:14] *** rodrickbrown has joined #opensolaris
[04:53:53] <Barr1> Sun Ultra workstations come with x64 processors too. The Ugly Duckling one doesn't say if it's x64 or Sparc.
[04:54:22] <Barr1> DOes Ultra 60 mean Sparc?
[04:55:11] <Barr1> On the new ones, a number divisible by 10 (like 60) is x64.
[04:55:25] <Tpenta> a u60 is sparc
[04:55:42] <Error_404> that's only the new ones
[04:55:44] <Tpenta> you can put up to a 450MHz uptrasparc II into it
[04:55:54] <Barr1> And the new ones are numbered lower. Confusing.
[04:56:10] <Error_404> sun decided only recently to use the Ultra prefix on non-UltraSPARC machines
[04:56:15] <jamesd_> u60 ==  dual  450mhz cpus
[04:56:22] <Error_404> which was a dumb marketing move if you ask me
[04:56:46] <Tpenta> you won't hear any argument from anyone technical on that
[04:57:07] <Tpenta> I had two thermal shutdowns on mine at home yesterday, ... hot day
[04:57:52] <Tpenta> it's only got 2x360MHz (+2gb) in it
[04:58:23] <Error_404> heh, be like a ricer
[04:58:26] <Error_404> watercool it
[04:58:40] <Error_404> put some lights in it
[04:58:54] <Error_404> like a bloody rave inside your computer
[04:58:55] <Tpenta> i took the cover off, opened the window and turned up the ceiling fan
[04:59:18] <Error_404> I'm canadian... we don't have that problem
[04:59:20] <Tpenta> completely forgetting that I have an air cooler in the room (if i could be bothered putting water in it)
[04:59:41] <Error_404> (except with this one desk I had that sealed off the machine with it's own hot air)
[05:00:20] *** laca has quit IRC
[05:02:46] * jmcp lunches
[05:05:23] <Barr1> Is there a list of hard drives that Solaris 10 is compatable with? I have...
[05:05:23] <Barr1> well, I don't know what hard drive it is, but it came with one of these: http://www.apricorn.com/product_detail.php?type=family&id=7
[05:06:55] <Barr1> I don't want to install Solaris on it. I just want to partition it as ZFS and save to it.
[05:07:16] <Barr1> Umm...well...I don't even know whether that's the same thing.
[05:07:37] <Error_404> you can't currently install solaris on ZFS
[05:08:00] <hell`> if routeadm shows routing disabled does that mean any custom routes i add to the route table (netstat -rn) will not work until i enabled in.routed?
[05:08:22] *** Gman has quit IRC
[05:08:53] <Error_404> Barr1, however, USB mass storage is a standard of sorts, so i'm almost positive that it'll work
[05:09:33] <Barr1> Ok. I guess there will be no problem creating a ZFS partition on the Apricorn drive.
[05:10:37] <Barr1> As long as Solaris 10 could save to it.
[05:15:37] *** rodrickbrown has quit IRC
[05:15:52] *** rodrickbrown has joined #opensolaris
[05:16:08] <Barr1> How much space do I need for Solaris 10?
[05:17:51] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris
[05:20:18] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris
[05:21:21] <Barr1> Gotta figure out if I need the Sun Management Center.
[05:25:28] <jamesd_> Barr1, about 6-9GB...
[05:25:29] *** nbkk6fo_ is now known as rbrown
[05:25:32] <Error_404> I dunno, 6, 7 gigs
[05:26:16] <Barr1> I think only 2, from what I just read.
[05:27:25] <Barr1> Good, I found a hardware compatability list.
[05:28:24] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris
[05:28:44] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[05:28:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[05:28:59] <Error_404> don't do a minimal install
[05:29:07] <Barr1> Even better, a device detection tool.
[05:33:24] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris
[05:33:54] *** Cyl has quit IRC
[05:33:54] *** [1]Cyl is now known as Cyl
[05:35:01] *** rodrickbrown has quit IRC
[05:39:26] *** messa has joined #opensolaris
[05:41:02] *** rbrown has quit IRC
[05:41:07] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris
[05:43:01] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[05:44:07] <Barr1> Same number of devices detected whether my USB drive is on or off. :( I'll check the hardware compatability list.
[05:46:45] *** sparc-kly__ has joined #opensolaris
[05:50:37] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris
[05:53:28] *** jimgris has joined #opensolaris
[05:53:33] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[05:54:59] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[06:00:39] *** gm152 has quit IRC
[06:02:28] *** rbrown has quit IRC
[06:02:31] *** rbrown has joined #opensolaris
[06:05:19] *** Griffous has joined #opensolaris
[06:05:19] *** Gr|ffous has quit IRC
[06:06:48] *** cheatersrealm has joined #opensolaris
[06:07:03] <cheatersrealm> how can I tell if the opensolaris livecd failed to boot
[06:07:04] <cheatersrealm> ?
[06:07:41] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[06:07:45] <cheatersrealm> I have the opensolaris starter kit with the solaris express community release b50 on the install disk
[06:07:51] <Error_404> umm... if it's not booting
[06:07:54] <cheatersrealm> I tried to boot nexenta
[06:07:55] <Error_404> then it didn't boot
[06:08:50] <Barr1> I can't even open up the hard drive case! Instructions are wrong as usual.
[06:09:01] <cheatersrealm> is there any reason to suspect maybe a different livecd version would boot?
[06:09:17] <cheatersrealm> or should I just go nuts and try to install?
[06:09:38] <Error_404> what do you mean by "not boot" ?
[06:09:47] <cheatersrealm> it just kind of sits there after a while
[06:09:54] *** tassie has joined #opensolaris
[06:10:00] <Error_404> oh, sits for how long?
[06:10:07] <cheatersrealm> minute or longer
[06:10:16] <boyd_> cheatersrealm: What's on the screen at that point?
[06:10:35] <cheatersrealm> ok, I'm going to try nexenta "elatte" [32-bit, verbose]
[06:11:34] *** dgregor__ has joined #opensolaris
[06:11:55] <cheatersrealm> ok, so right now it's got a little bit of stuff, up to "cpuid 0: initilized cupmod: cpu.generic"
[06:12:24] <jmcp> are you booting with "-v" ?
[06:12:34] <cheatersrealm> if that is verobse, yes
[06:13:36] <jmcp> yes, it's verbose
[06:13:45] <jmcp> what is printed after the cpuid message?
[06:13:59] <cheatersrealm> that has scollef off the screen now
[06:14:13] <cheatersrealm> scrolled off*
[06:14:21] <cheatersrealm> my ssh irc is slow for some reason
[06:14:31] <jmcp> blank lines or text?
[06:14:37] <cheatersrealm> anyhow, it's at pseudo-device: profile0 and then profile0 is /pseudo/profile@0
[06:14:50] <boyd_> So it's moved on from cpuid0 then
[06:15:14] <cheatersrealm> yes
[06:15:32] <cheatersrealm> it has definately detected the cd rom drive, and at least 2 of the harddrives
[06:15:37] <cheatersrealm> it detected elxl0
[06:15:46] <boyd_> all good so far...
[06:15:48] <cheatersrealm> dunno what that is
[06:15:59] <boyd_> NIC I think
[06:16:07] <jmcp> yes
[06:16:10] <jmcp> 3com
[06:16:14] <cheatersrealm> ok, yeah
[06:16:36] <cheatersrealm> it selected a few uDMA modes above the pseudo-device line
[06:17:13] <boyd_> And it's still there at the profile0 line?
[06:17:18] <cheatersrealm> yes
[06:17:23] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris
[06:17:32] <cheatersrealm> num lock still turns the num lock on and off
[06:17:38] <cheatersrealm> maybe it's still loading?
[06:17:54] <boyd_> any disk activity (optical)
[06:17:55] <boyd_> ?
[06:18:09] <cheatersrealm> not that I can tell
[06:18:31] <boyd_> IIRC nexenta has a boot option to do with disabling cdrom dma. You may like to try that...
[06:18:50] <cheatersrealm> what if I just try the installer?
[06:18:51] <jmcp> cheatersrealm: what is the spec of this machine?
[06:18:57] <cheatersrealm> uh, x86 machine
[06:19:06] <cheatersrealm> nforce1 motherboard (msi)
[06:19:08] <cheatersrealm> 3com networking card
[06:19:19] <cheatersrealm> syba sd-sata-4p sata raid card
[06:19:28] <cheatersrealm> (working in jbod mode)
[06:19:41] <cheatersrealm> 2x40gb drive on the mobo's ide
[06:19:48] *** sparc-kly__ has quit IRC
[06:19:48] <boyd_> cheatersrealm: What installer? How are you going to get to it if it won't boot?
[06:19:58] <cheatersrealm> uh
[06:20:05] *** tassie has left #opensolaris
[06:20:06] *** boyd_ is now known as boyd
[06:20:19] <cheatersrealm> solaris express community release
[06:20:22] <cheatersrealm> b50
[06:20:31] <jmcp> what are the specs on the cpu?
[06:20:41] <cheatersrealm> 2000+amd
[06:21:06] <cheatersrealm> most of the onboard mobo stuff is disabled
[06:21:13] <cheatersrealm> I had an issue with the syba card
[06:21:34] <cheatersrealm> I could try maybe enabling the irq's I disabled
[06:22:47] <jmcp> if you can pull out the syba card and get the boot to happen .... that's a good indication of where issues might lie
[06:23:46] <cheatersrealm> ok, so the issue with the syba card is that it was hard to get it into JBOD mode
[06:23:55] <cheatersrealm> the firmware flashing did not go well
[06:24:16] <cheatersrealm> but I have tested the card in windows, and it works
[06:24:24] <cheatersrealm> and other people report it working
[06:24:31] * jmcp ducks out for a bit
[06:24:32] <cheatersrealm> (in solaris)
[06:25:06] *** djgregor has quit IRC
[06:25:21] *** dunc has quit IRC
[06:29:52] <boyd> Jeez, that Optimus keyboard is sounding crapper by the day
[06:30:19] <cheatersrealm> the one with the led's on each button?
[06:30:47] <boyd> was color OLED now LCD (mono)... now not all buttons
[06:30:58] <cheatersrealm> well that IS lame
[06:31:13] <cheatersrealm> what happened to the oled's?
[06:31:29] <OnkelSchorsch_> and they still want 400 bucks?
[06:31:36] <boyd> Gone for cost reasons.
[06:31:40] <cheatersrealm> ha
[06:31:43] <Barr1> A fan in a USB hard drive case would be compatable with all OSs, right?
[06:31:58] <boyd> They haven't said what price. Still saying "around the same as a good mobile phone"
[06:32:07] <cheatersrealm> my phone was $400
[06:33:15] <boyd> Latest disappointment: "not every key on Optimus-103 will feature an LCD display. Space bar, return, both shifts, numeric keypad, the arrow keys and some other keys of secondary importance will all have only LED backlights"
[06:33:28] <cheatersrealm> arrow keys?
[06:33:35] <cheatersrealm> secondary importance?
[06:33:41] <Barr1> Screw holes are in the same place on all hard drives, right?
[06:34:00] <boyd> Barr1: Should be, for anything from the last 15 or so years
[06:34:03] <cheatersrealm> Barr1: as far as I know, as long as you have the same size
[06:34:11] <cheatersrealm> (aka 3.5" or 2.5" or 5.25"
[06:34:18] <boyd> Good point
[06:34:18] * ShadowHntr hugs his IBM Model M keyboard :D
[06:34:32] * OnkelSchorsch_ got issues with spending so many monetos on a keyboard, without knowing what typing on it feels like
[06:34:47] <OnkelSchorsch_> maybe it feels like typing on jello
[06:34:51] <boyd> OnkelSchorsch_: I agree
[06:34:52] <Barr1> Good. Guess I need a new hard drive. I can disconnect the fan if I have to.
[06:35:10] <boyd> What's wrong with typing on jello?
[06:35:23] <cheatersrealm> I got a dell keyboard, that's what it's like
[06:35:23] <boyd> Barr1: I'd be surprised if the fan is visible to the OS at all
[06:35:46] <OnkelSchorsch_> hehe. jello makes me feel mellow. or something like that
[06:35:53] <Barr1> Unless the OS has a limit to how much power to provide to the device,.
[06:36:18] <cheatersrealm> that's an easy hardware set up
[06:36:19] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[06:36:53] <boyd> Barr1: I'd be surprised if that was OS defined... but I suppose it's possible
[06:37:07] <noyb> kid found the Ultra 5 power button...  nice.
[06:37:45] <ShadowHntr> on an Ultra 5
[06:37:47] <noyb> having the power button in the front was supposed to be a feature?
[06:37:57] <ShadowHntr> does a processor upgrade require a boot -r ?
[06:38:39] <cheatersrealm> hrm
[06:38:40] <g4lt-mordant> on a ultra 5 a processor upgrade requires a strong stomach
[06:38:41] <jmcp> it should not
[06:38:48] <cheatersrealm> so it's stuck at profile0 again
[06:38:54] <ShadowHntr> g4lt-mordant: i wanna upgrade my u5 from a 270mhz to 400
[06:39:04] <ShadowHntr> also upgrade RAM from 128 to 512
[06:39:11] <Barr1> Maybe I'll go shopping for a Solaris Ready drive, as long as it's Windows XP compatable too.
[06:39:12] <g4lt-mordant> does the U5 teke a 2e?
[06:39:25] <ShadowHntr> g4lt-mordant: dunno, as far as i know just a IIi
[06:40:13] <ShadowHntr> i've heard rumors the U5 can take a 440MHz processor module
[06:41:29] <g4lt-mordant> the 440 MHz, from the U60,?! GFL
[06:41:50] <g4lt-mordant> U30s can't even technically take the 440
[06:41:55] <Tpenta> not from the '60, completely different form factor
[06:42:34] <g4lt-mordant> Tpenta, hence the GFL
[06:46:03] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris
[06:48:31] *** noyb has quit IRC
[06:49:47] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris
[06:49:52] <Barr1> My hard drive case has a little card attached to the two cables, which might be incompatable with Solaris. What's that card called? I may have to replace it.
[06:50:24] <ShadowHntr> backplane?
[06:50:40] <ShadowHntr> is it an external enclosure?
[06:51:48] *** mlh_ has quit IRC
[06:51:52] <Barr1> Yes.
[06:51:57] <ShadowHntr> SCSI? USB?
[06:52:11] <Barr1> Maybe I just need a whole knew external drive with a case.
[06:52:14] <Barr1> USB.
[06:52:22] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[06:52:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[06:52:24] <ShadowHntr> is it an IDE or SATA drive inside?
[06:52:32] <ShadowHntr> probably a backplane of some kind.
[06:52:52] *** Doc has quit IRC
[06:52:59] *** lplatypus has quit IRC
[06:54:52] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC
[06:55:25] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris
[06:55:31] <Barr1> Oh, found it. The hard drive is an Hitachi. The label says "ATA/IDE"
[06:56:23] <jmcp> crap. Karyn is leaving Sun
[06:56:26] *** Griffous has quit IRC
[06:56:36] <delewis> Ritter?
[06:57:03] <jmcp> yeah
[06:57:04] *** messa has quit IRC
[06:57:08] <delewis> :-(
[06:57:12] <delewis> that sucks.
[06:57:15] <jmcp> yup
[06:57:20] <Barr1> WHo's she?
[06:57:37] <jmcp> formerly an OpenSolaris manager
[06:57:40] <delewis> heh, if you report a bug, you'll most likely get an email from her.
[06:57:40] <jmcp> driving force/influence
[06:58:12] <Barr1> What's her beef?
[06:59:06] <Barr1> (reason for leaving)
[07:00:16] <cheatersrealm> so ubuntu livecd booted the computer with my syba card in it
[07:01:21] <cheatersrealm> so that scores 1 for at least the raid card works in jbod mode
[07:01:26] <jmcp> Barr1: dunno
[07:02:05] *** gustav3d has joined #opensolaris
[07:04:07] *** razrX has quit IRC
[07:04:19] <cheatersrealm> jmcp: any interest in trying to troubleshoot the solaris livecd?
[07:04:41] <jmcp> cheatersrealm: sorry, no. I'm quite busy with my project
[07:04:46] <cheatersrealm> that's cooo
[07:04:50] <cheatersrealm> cool*
[07:05:01] <jmcp> and since I'm on contract  ....... :)
[07:05:06] <cheatersrealm> you seemed to be interested in it a little earlier
[07:05:09] * jmcp fades away into the distance
[07:05:16] <cheatersrealm> have a good one
[07:05:17] <jmcp> yeah... then some work stuff cropped up
[07:05:31] <cheatersrealm> it's not like I'm paying you for support, so that's ok :)
[07:10:56] <Barr1> me gives up search for karyn ritter
[07:11:48] <Barr1> But there's gotta be an email list where they're discussing it.
[07:11:57] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris
[07:13:59] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris
[07:19:38] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[07:19:52] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:20:11] *** Burana has left #opensolaris
[07:20:19] *** dgregor__ has quit IRC
[07:21:13] *** lplatypus_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:22:06] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris
[07:31:51] <Barr1> Apricorn sucks
[07:37:25] *** lplatypus has quit IRC
[07:39:45] *** lplatypus_ has quit IRC
[07:40:20] *** lplatypus_ has joined #opensolaris
[07:40:23] *** lplatypus_ is now known as lplatypus
[07:45:18] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[07:45:34] *** delewis has quit IRC
[07:47:43] <cheatersrealm> if I install solaris now, and then put in a raid card later, what are the odds it will actually work?
[07:47:57] <cheatersrealm> (aka I will be able to install the raid card, it gets detected and boots)
[07:48:08] <cheatersrealm> right now it hangs the installer with the card in
[07:52:39] *** bougie has quit IRC
[07:55:01] <Error_404> you'll need to touch /reconfigure for solaris to pick up the new hardware
[07:57:13] <cheatersrealm> ok
[07:57:32] <cheatersrealm> touch /reconfigure and restart, I presume?
[07:57:47] *** whaq has quit IRC
[07:58:43] <Error_404> yeah
[07:58:54] <Error_404> it's just a signal file, it can be empty
[07:58:57] <cheatersrealm> aight, nexenta is 45% done
[07:59:03] <cheatersrealm> aight
[07:59:40] *** fik has joined #opensolaris
[08:01:11] *** Barr1 has left #opensolaris
[08:02:52] <cheatersrealm> I suppose if all else fails, I can always run debian
[08:02:57] <cheatersrealm> which is better for me than windows
[08:03:12] <Error_404> there's also BSD
[08:03:19] <cheatersrealm> I was thinking about  that
[08:03:22] <cheatersrealm> maybe freebsd for the zfs patches
[08:03:23] <Error_404> which isn't full of as many bugs
[08:03:27] <cheatersrealm> :)
[08:03:30] <cheatersrealm> debian is ok
[08:03:41] <Error_404> linux did to unix what windows did to mac
[08:03:56] <Error_404> copy it, poorly, introducing a myriad bugs & security holes in the process
[08:06:48] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris
[08:08:08] <OnkelSchorsch_> hm. using sun java system calendar server at home for a single user is overkill, eh?
[08:09:03] <Error_404> meh, if it works best, use it
[08:09:10] <cheatersrealm> google calendar works.. ok
[08:09:11] <Error_404> if you can find something that works better, use that
[08:09:16] <cheatersrealm> I just went to using everything on my phone though
[08:09:53] <Error_404> OnkelSchorsch_: but you'd have to pay for calander server
[08:09:53] * OnkelSchorsch_ wants a central calendar, which I may access with all sorts of clients.
[08:10:00] <OnkelSchorsch_> do I?
[08:10:05] *** jimgris has left #opensolaris
[08:10:07] <OnkelSchorsch_> evaluation is free :)
[08:10:10] <Error_404> yeah, it's only free for 60 days
[08:10:15] <OnkelSchorsch_> oh.
[08:10:29] <Error_404> http://groupware.ivata.org/
[08:10:32] <Error_404> that's free groupware
[08:10:40] <Error_404> i think it runs on J2EE as well
[08:10:52] <OnkelSchorsch_> is that what you personally use?
[08:11:27] <Error_404> no, personally i have a black book in my pocket
[08:11:57] <OnkelSchorsch_> a dead-tree book?
[08:11:59] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[08:12:05] <Error_404> but when before i dismissed the "personal groupware" concept as too much of an oxymoron for my taste, i looked into ivata
[08:12:14] <Error_404> yeah, a moleskine notebook
[08:13:09] <OnkelSchorsch_> they look fairly nice.
[08:13:18] <OnkelSchorsch_> but what would you do if you lost your book?
[08:14:03] <OnkelSchorsch_> most people I know don't backup the telephone numbers in their mobile phones.
[08:14:08] <OnkelSchorsch_> and then they lose it :(
[08:15:27] <Error_404> if i lost my book, i have a couple postgreSQL tables that back it up
[08:16:02] <OnkelSchorsch_> hmhm. how often do you sync them? :)
[08:19:17] <Error_404> *shrug*
[08:20:58] *** nwf has quit IRC
[08:23:07] <cheatersrealm> ok, nexenta works
[08:23:20] <trygvis> nextenta is nice
[08:23:33] <cheatersrealm> actually, not only does it work, but it looks exactly like ubuntu
[08:23:56] <cheatersrealm> that makes it convenient for me
[08:24:18] <Error_404> not a fan of nexenta
[08:24:40] <Error_404> I figgure why bother... learn Solaris proper, you'll be worth more money
[08:24:53] <cheatersrealm> it's not for the money for me
[08:25:19] *** dj2 has quit IRC
[08:25:23] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[08:25:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[08:25:27] <cheatersrealm> I _just_ want zfs
[08:27:04] <Error_404> well, there's also the matter of the rest of solaris being well tested against the kernel, wereas the gnu utils aren't well tested at all
[08:27:23] <cheatersrealm> I plan to uninstall as much of the desktop stuffs as I can
[08:27:35] <cheatersrealm> esp X
[08:27:42] <Error_404> i'm not talking about the desktop stuff
[08:28:11] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC
[08:30:10] *** KingDillyDilly has joined #opensolaris
[08:32:29] *** mazon is now known as Mazon
[08:33:52] <KingDillyDilly> Karyn Ritter left Open Solaris. Anyone know why?
[08:35:30] <noyb> realplayer10 is not very good on Solaris x86.  Am I alone in that experience?
[08:35:39] <jmcp> KingDillyDilly: no, she hasn't said why
[08:35:50] <jmcp> noyb: quantify "not very good"
[08:36:04] <noyb> can't play jack sh..
[08:36:19] <Error_404> noyb: s/on solaris x86//
[08:36:20] <noyb> core dumps...
[08:36:25] <jmcp> noyb: if you're going to complain, at least provide *details* rather than emotive language
[08:36:39] *** sparc-kly__ has joined #opensolaris
[08:36:54] <jmcp> I can stream radio from  my isp with it, on solaris/x64 ... what can't you do with it?
[08:36:59] <noyb> ok, doc...  I don't *feel* anything anymore.  I'm numb from the broken software.
[08:37:19] <noyb> mp4
[08:37:22] <Error_404> mother...
[08:37:43] <Error_404> how old is solaris 8?
[08:38:07] <noyb> '97 ?
[08:38:26] <KingDillyDilly> I see there are two Solaris Ready hard drives. IOGEAR and Fantom. Which is a better hard drive manufacturer?
[08:38:34] <Error_404> i just ran in to a 10 year old bug
[08:38:40] <Error_404> which is still there
[08:39:14] <noyb> jmcp: realplayer complains that it doesn't have the proper components to play *.mp4
[08:39:37] <Error_404> i can't rm -r as underpriveledged users
[08:39:52] <noyb> jmcp: specifically, I wanted to watch this: http://mediacast.sun.com/share/marchamilton/tsubame-long.mp4
[08:40:13] <Tpenta> have you tried using mplayer?
[08:40:23] <KingDillyDilly> Oops, meant to ask about Karyn in #solaris
[08:40:40] <noyb> Tpenta: no, but I will.  thanks.
[08:40:49] <g4lt-mordant> noyb, mpeg layer 4 is audio...
[08:41:09] * OnkelSchorsch_ doesn't think so.
[08:41:49] <noyb> g4lt-mordant: firefox launches realplay when I click that link.  I can fix that in the prefs.js, no?
[08:42:47] <noyb> the page that link is on says it's video: http://mediacast.sun.com/details.jsp?id=1788
[08:44:02] <OnkelSchorsch_> a couple of days ago, I watched eisenstein's battleship potemkin which was an mpeg layer 4 file
[08:44:20] *** cheatersrealm has left #opensolaris
[08:44:46] <g4lt-mordant> OnkelSchorsch_, it was an mpeg 4, not mp4
[08:44:47] <noyb> yes, mplayer works great on that.  Thanks.
[08:45:26] <g4lt-mordant> AAC is oftentimes (incorrectly, even apparently by myself) called mp4
[08:45:55] <noyb> g4lt-mordant: no, I think it's called .m4p
[08:46:06] <Error_404> m4p is DRM'ed
[08:46:22] <Error_404> m4a isn't broken
[08:47:03] <g4lt-mordant> noyb, or m4[u|a], depending on DRM.  however, by the naming of mp3, it relallty shoudl be m[p|a|u]4
[08:47:18] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[08:47:38] <OnkelSchorsch_> hm. here is the movie. mpeg4 http://www.archive.org/download/BattleshipPotemkin/Battleship_Potemkin_256kb.mp4
[08:47:44] <OnkelSchorsch_> hm. weird.
[08:48:01] <OnkelSchorsch_> well, at least I was able to watch it. using vlc
[08:48:24] <g4lt-mordant> yeah, why wopuld you mpeg4 compress battleship potemkin, it did fine in mpeg2 when I saw it
[08:48:50] <OnkelSchorsch_> cause I wanted to save bandwidth :)
[08:49:14] <g4lt-mordant> given the atrocious film eisenstein used, I doubet you could harm it much with lossy compression ;P
[08:49:29] <OnkelSchorsch_> hehe.
[08:49:56] <g4lt-mordant> god help us if eisenstein got teleported to ILM one day
[08:50:31] <OnkelSchorsch_> ILM?
[08:50:53] <g4lt-mordant> industrila light an magic, george lucas's SFX company
[08:51:20] <OnkelSchorsch_> hehe. /me wants more eisenstein movies
[08:53:51] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[08:54:11] *** dlynes_laptop has joined #opensolaris
[08:56:22] <Error_404> Hmm...
[08:56:35] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[08:56:47] <Error_404> i'd wager this stupid "no removing directories" bug is what's causing every build of O/N to fail for me
[09:05:50] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[09:06:51] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[09:06:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[09:09:56] * jmcp does his first internal sunsolve search since getting back inside Sun
[09:10:01] * jmcp drools ....
[09:10:01] <jmcp> :)
[09:16:04] <lasseoe> haha
[09:16:04] <Tpenta> :)
[09:16:38] <lasseoe> joined Sunsolve Anonymous ? :)
[09:16:41] *** Tpenta is now known as TpAway
[09:20:25] <jmcp> lasseoe: hah :)
[09:21:05] <jmcp> !seen Doc
[09:21:06] <Drone> Doc (Doc!n=scott at 203-206-237-92 dot dyn.iinet.net.au) was last seen in #opensolaris on Tue 21 Nov 2006 13:28 GMT, saying 'hmm.. google has crap satellite photos for late titikaka'.
[09:23:40] *** fik has quit IRC
[09:24:50] *** |tsoome| has quit IRC
[09:25:05] *** Doc has joined #opensolaris
[09:27:15] * jmcp invokes Doc
[09:27:24] <jmcp> Doc: did you have a power outage at your place this arvo?
[09:28:04] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris
[09:29:47] <Doc> i had a self-induced power outage
[09:29:52] <jmcp> ah
[09:30:02] <jmcp> I think our place had an unscheduled one
[09:30:38] <Doc> i moved my server to plug directly into my internet router/switch, rather than another switch
[09:30:54] <Doc> then, sometime today my internet link went down, and the process on the server that power cycles the router when that happens turned it off, and then...  ummm..  well, it couldnt see the power control unit to turn it back on
[09:32:03] <Doc> around 5pm?
[09:32:57] *** sparc-kly__ has quit IRC
[09:34:35] <jmcp> Doc: yeah, I think so
[09:34:45] <jmcp> from an Australia/NSW point of view at any rate
[09:35:00] <LeftWing> Heh, I need a watchdog power-cycler for my modem.  Terrible brownout detection.
[09:36:39] <Doc> leftwing: i scored a APC masterswitch thing, that you can control from a web browser/snmp/etc
[09:36:48] <timeless> gman: did you see my question about bonoboa-activation core?
[09:37:14] <LeftWing> Doc: Hahaha, that's so awesome.  We have some HP-rebranded ones in our datacentre.  Powerboards with ethernet. ;P
[09:37:50] *** mlh_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:39:36] <LeftWing> I might just wire a relay across the parallel port. =P
[09:41:26] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[09:42:12] <Doc> so my solaris box just monitors the internet, and if it goes down for more than a few minutes, it power cycles it
[09:42:12] <Doc> which probably gives a few false alarms (eg, if the link isnt down, but the problem is at the ISPs end), but who cares
[09:43:21] <LeftWing> If it's already down, it's already down. =)
[09:43:58] <g4lt-mordant> Doc, your sun box power cycles the intarweb?  cool!
[09:44:19] <Gman> timeless, nope, sorry
[09:45:27] <LeftWing> g4lt-mordant: They're the Power in Power Cycle. =P
[09:45:58] <g4lt-mordant> like microsoft is the dot in .\exploit?
[09:45:59] <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1507
[09:46:01] <Doc> yup
[09:46:01] <Doc> only problem is if the sun box dies
[09:46:01] <Doc> i need another sun box to montior that one...
[09:46:12] <timeless> i can't figure out which binary that core is from
[09:46:46] <Doc> *** CTCP PING reply from Doc: 105 seconds
[09:46:54] <Doc> hmm.. i think the interweb needs another power cycle
[09:46:59] <timeless> neither seem to result in dbx not complaining about  a load object
[09:47:14] <Gman> timeless, looking
[09:47:21] *** kleppari has joined #opensolaris
[09:47:30] <KingDillyDilly> Just read this in a review of the only currently available Solaris Ready hard drive:
[09:47:30] <KingDillyDilly> "The drive is not designed to be partitioned and there could be technical issues  if this is tried"
[09:47:30] <KingDillyDilly> http://www.amazon.com/Fantom-Drives-TFDU12072-Titanium-7200rpm/dp/B000234SM6
[09:47:56] <KingDillyDilly> :(
[09:48:06] <Gman> timeless, haven't seen that before, though i haven't exactly looked at many bugs in that subcat
[09:48:13] <g4lt-mordant> zpool ;)
[09:48:31] <timeless> gman: i have a bunch of other interesting cores if you like
[09:48:37] <timeless> but, where should i send this one?
[09:48:44] <Gman> timeless, lemme check if it's a dup
[09:48:49] <LeftWing> KingDillyDilly: What does that even mean? =P
[09:48:49] <timeless> thanks
[09:48:55] <Doc> jmcp: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=631751
[09:49:09] *** sparc-kly__ has joined #opensolaris
[09:49:17] <KingDillyDilly> Didn't make sense, but I believe everything I read.
[09:49:20] <Gman> timeless, version of gnome?
[09:49:21] <timeless> my guess is that the system ran out of memory btw
[09:49:24] <timeless> should be 2.14
[09:49:53] <timeless> yeah, i haven't updated to 2.16 yet
[09:50:14] <timeless> i think the upgrade is when i move from snv_49 to 53
[09:50:19] <Gman> timeless, yeah
[09:50:22] <timeless> is that this weekend?
[09:50:37] <Gman> we're not looking at any 2.14 bugs, so maybe hold your hats until 53
[09:50:46] <Gman> probably next week sometime
[09:50:54] <timeless> i don't usually try to run out of memory on my box
[09:50:59] <timeless> atm i'm busy running out of disk space
[09:51:21] <timeless> there's a disk on order, i suppose when i get to add it to my box i can also upgrade
[09:51:42] <Gman> nod
[09:51:45] <Gman> sounds painful :)
[09:51:52] <timeless> running out of disk?
[09:51:55] <timeless> anyway
[09:52:00] <timeless> cross reference says it's:
[09:52:05] <timeless> 154 g_error ("%s: failed to allocate %lu bytes", G_STRLOC, n_bytes);
[09:52:09] <timeless> which is pretty useless :)
[09:52:14] <Gman> yeah ;)
[09:52:14] <timeless> i.e. i really did run out of memory
[09:52:22] * timeless *hates* glib/gdk/gtk/gnome
[09:52:29] <timeless> what a stupid platform to build on
[09:52:34] <Gman> heh
[09:52:49] <timeless> note: this is a powerful box, it has 4g of ram, and 5g of swap at times
[09:53:02] <timeless> in contrast, i work on a device w/ 64m of ram
[09:53:12] <timeless> and the vendor decided that building on gtk would be a good idea
[09:53:23] <timeless> it defaults to having no swap, w/ a max in the ui of 64m
[09:53:40] *** robg has quit IRC
[09:53:51] <timeless> ok, so i presume i should just kill the core file, since other than showing that i hate glib, it isn't really interesting
[09:53:58] <timeless> (and as i said earlier, i'm running out of space)
[09:54:07] <timeless> Filesystem             size   used  avail capacity  Mounted on
[09:54:07] <timeless> root_pool/home/timeless
[09:54:07] <timeless>                         69G   7.6G   872M    90%    /export/home/timeless
[09:55:35] * timeless gives up and seeks lunch
[09:56:45] *** Griffous has joined #opensolaris
[09:59:48] *** |tsoome| has joined #opensolaris
[10:00:21] * jmcp heads back to the hotel
[10:01:27] *** jmcp has left #opensolaris
[10:04:14] <KingDillyDilly> Would all plug and play monitors work with Solaris?
[10:05:04] <vaneth> Moin.
[10:07:42] <KingDillyDilly> moin
[10:07:57] <|tsoome|> KingDillyDilly: *all* is quite strong word in this context;)
[10:08:31] <KingDillyDilly> I'll check the compatible hardware list
[10:08:45] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[10:10:06] *** alanc_away has quit IRC
[10:10:07] *** Gman has quit IRC
[10:10:18] *** klocze1 has quit IRC
[10:11:08] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris
[10:11:24] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris
[10:14:10] <KingDillyDilly> None of these looks like a monitor, does one? http://www.polisource.com/PublicMisc/solaris_device_detection.gif
[10:14:47] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[10:14:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[10:18:50] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[10:21:21] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris
[10:25:44] *** sparc-kly__ has quit IRC
[10:28:27] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris
[10:30:10] *** tomww has quit IRC
[10:31:42] *** e57181 is now known as estibi
[10:32:39] *** tom_ has joined #opensolaris
[10:33:01] *** tom_ is now known as tomww
[10:34:31] *** ___schily has joined #opensolaris
[10:35:22] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[10:41:13] *** bobbyz has quit IRC
[10:41:25] *** sparc-kly__ has joined #opensolaris
[10:42:39] *** simford has quit IRC
[10:43:36] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris
[10:43:49] *** __schily_ has quit IRC
[10:50:50] *** LeftWing has quit IRC
[10:50:53] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris
[10:54:43] <raph_ael> hello
[10:56:15] *** bor1 has joined #opensolaris
[10:58:13] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris
[10:58:37] <Snake007uk> morning
[10:59:16] <Berny> morning
[11:00:38] *** eject_ck has joined #opensolaris
[11:01:22] <eject_ck> Hi all ! how make one ISO from stripeed  which i downloaded under WIN32
[11:01:58] <Berny> cat iso1 iso2 iso3 ... isox >>isowhole
[11:02:09] <Griffous> you are wanting to make an opensolaris dvd iso?
[11:02:18] <eject_ck> yes
[11:02:21] <timeless> copy /b first+second+third result
[11:02:24] <eject_ck> ij
[11:02:28] <eject_ck> ok tnx
[11:02:37] <timeless> assuming command.com/cmd.exe/cmd32.exe
[11:02:52] <timeless> obviously if you have more than 3 parts you need more plus signs :)
[11:03:00] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[11:03:08] <eject_ck> ok
[11:03:09] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[11:03:24] <eject_ck> i do it
[11:03:37] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[11:05:37] <g4lt-mordant> uhm, that won't work on FAT32.  FAT32 doesn't have largefiles....
[11:05:56] <g4lt-mordant> (presuming he's setting up the DVD)
[11:06:45] *** sparc-kly__ has quit IRC
[11:07:18] <Error_404> hmm... apparantly ivata eats *all* of my availiable ram
[11:07:26] <Snake007uk> eject_ck, on windows you have to do the following
[11:07:48] <Snake007uk> copy /b file1 + file2 + file3 + fie4 complete.sio
[11:07:49] *** bor1 has quit IRC
[11:08:53] *** yongsun has quit IRC
[11:13:35] *** |denis| has quit IRC
[11:13:52] <eject_ck> tnx i do it ;)
[11:14:23] *** lplatypus has quit IRC
[11:15:15] <eject_ck> how much memory I must have to install it ?
[11:15:20] <eject_ck> RAM
[11:16:26] *** astinus has quit IRC
[11:16:34] <Griffous> 512 I think
[11:20:00] <eject_ck> !!!
[11:20:03] *** sparc-kly has joined #opensolaris
[11:20:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sparc-kly
[11:20:09] <eject_ck> are u crazy ?
[11:20:34] *** KingDillyDilly has left #opensolaris
[11:20:40] <Griffous> that may just be the gui for the install
[11:21:07] <Griffous> I'm sure the details will be on the opensolaris webpages, I'm sorry I really a bit busy to look for you at the moment
[11:21:27] <eject_ck> ok
[11:28:19] <eject_ck> I'm trying install OpenSolaris under AMD Sempron 2600+, 1GB RAM - and get error during kernel boot (before installation) http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7973/screenow1.jpg
[11:28:24] <eject_ck> see please
[11:28:48] <timeless> heh
[11:28:54] <timeless> why not google for that?
[11:29:12] <timeless> http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/where_oh_where_is_my
[11:29:44] <timeless> it's a lot easier  than taking a picture and posting it to image shack
[11:29:49] <eject_ck> what it mean ? I try install it under Virtual PC
[11:30:02] <timeless> how aout reading the blog?
[11:33:19] <timeless> i'd probably contact virtual pc's vendor and ask them for a bios update
[11:33:56] <timeless> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/i86pc/os/cpuid.c#2150 is the magic that's doing the work
[11:34:45] <eject_ck> txn
[11:34:48] <eject_ck> M$
[11:34:54] <eject_ck> now is vendow
[11:34:57] <eject_ck> vendor
[11:34:59] <timeless> http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:HFDm3zBojEcJ:www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/25759.pdf+athlon+erratum+109+microcode+bios&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2
[11:35:03] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris
[11:35:06] <timeless> 25759 Rev. 3.69 September 2006
[11:35:06] <timeless> 109 Certain Reverse REP MOVS May Produce Unpredictable
[11:35:07] <timeless> Behavior
[11:35:13] <timeless> jmcp: did you ever get a bios update? :)
[11:35:19] <jmcp> nope :)
[11:35:24] <jmcp> :( rather
[11:35:44] <Berny> so how predictable is the unpredictable behaviour?
[11:35:51] <timeless> would it make sense to assume that all chips newer than *x* can't have this bug?
[11:36:16] <timeless> i'm assuming your amd chip isn't from 2004 or earlier
[11:36:35] <jmcp> not sure
[11:38:20] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris
[11:39:46] <Griffous> jmcp, was it your blog entry that I would have read a while back about intel810 audio cards generating stupid interrupts?
[11:40:06] <Doc> blogs suck
[11:40:36] <jmcp> Griffous: yep
[11:40:56] <jmcp> Griffous: that's b.s.c/jmcp
[11:40:57] *** LeftWing has quit IRC
[11:41:00] <Griffous> I believe I have the same issue, but I don't know a thing about acpi tables.
[11:41:43] <Griffous> Do I need to learn all about it, or is there a solaris-side patch in effect to work around the problem now?
[11:41:51] <jmcp> dunno, and not sure
[11:42:28] <Snake007uk> Doc, why dont you like blogs...
[11:42:56] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris
[11:42:56] <Snake007uk> i need to move my bog to twiki or web wiki :) its not really blog it just some notes :)
[11:44:58] <Griffous> doh, I really would like to fix this issue. My 'idle' PC is doing 400k interrupts/sec! :/
[11:45:26] <jmcp> Griffous: Seth Goldberg is Da Man, and iirc he's just putback the fix to snv_54
[11:46:01] <Berny> if it's acpi related try eeprom acpi-user-options=0x8
[11:46:19] <Berny> that fixed some acpi issues with insane interrupt numbers on my box
[11:47:36] <Griffous> cool, I'll try that. Thanks
[11:49:32] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris
[11:51:44] *** udos has quit IRC
[11:54:17] * jmcp shops
[11:55:21] <dlg> go hard
[11:57:49] <Doc> go to the silk markets and get me a fake north face polar fleece
[11:57:54] <Doc> my old one has worn out
[12:01:27] <Odin-> Does anyone know when man pages and/or locales will be made available in OpenSolaris? (Rather than Solaris Express...)
[12:08:20] <bobbyz> I just put a pci sata controller in my x86 solaris 10 box, along with some sata drives.  The sata pci card recognizes the drives at boot and I've done a reconfiguration reboot, but I don't see any new disks in /dev/rdsk.  Is there something else I need to do?
[12:09:31] <dlg> run disks?
[12:09:34] <lasseoe> the SATA controller is probably unsupported.
[12:10:08] <quasi> or set up to do raid which often doesn't work
[12:10:27] <quasi> reconfigure / run devfsadm
[12:11:33] <bobbyz> is there a particular module I need to manually load?  The card is a 3114
[12:12:01] <lasseoe> no
[12:12:21] <quasi> 3114 should be supported
[12:12:29] <bobbyz> ok, I'll check into the raid thing then...might be that.  I purchased a syba 4-port that someone in here told me they've been using
[12:12:51] <quasi> maybe look for it with cfgadm -al
[12:13:25] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris
[12:16:16] <bobbyz> oh well...it doesn't seem to be an easy fix and it's far too late here.  I'll look at it in the morning. Thanks all for the information and suggestions
[12:18:54] <quasi> bobbyz: did you try devfsadm -v ?
[12:23:38] <bobbyz> quasi: yeah, it just returns without any output.  It's probably because I have a very minimalized system...that might even be why I'm having problems with my card...perhaps I'm missing necessary packages.  It stinks because I'm building it as an openafs fileserver and everything else is working, but I just recieved the sata card today (had a different card before that was for sure unsupported)
[12:25:07] <quasi> bobbyz: so try cfgadm -al to see if it lists the controller or not
[12:25:52] <bobbyz> cfgadm: Configuration administration not supported  :)
[12:26:21] <quasi> on cfgadm -al ?
[12:26:43] <bobbyz> yes
[12:28:00] <quasi> odd
[12:29:58] *** sparc-kly_ has joined #opensolaris
[12:31:08] <bobbyz> I find it funny that the cfgadm man page mentions that as a "diagnostic error message" or some such but doesn't say what it means
[12:31:32] <PerterB> I didn't think cfgadm would list sata controllers anyway?
[12:31:38] <PerterB> (or drives)
[12:32:10] <quasi> PerterB: no? I thought it did
[12:32:33] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris
[12:32:53] <quasi> oh, right - it doesn't
[12:33:23] <bobbyz> oh well...an issue for tomorrow anyway
[12:34:17] <PerterB> not on my SATA 6/06 box anyway :)
[12:39:48] <quasi> I think it might on u3
[12:40:49] <PerterB> so... any day now, then ;)
[12:51:29] *** boro has joined #opensolaris
[12:51:56] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar
[12:53:04] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris
[12:57:33] *** loke has joined #opensolaris
[12:59:05] *** sparc-kly has quit IRC
[12:59:51] *** bunker_work has quit IRC
[13:01:45] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris
[13:04:37] <tomww> 4562
[13:04:38] <tomww> 2
[13:04:51] <tomww> oops :-)
[13:05:36] *** tomww has quit IRC
[13:09:35] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris
[13:10:25] <cmihai> Any reason why rhythmbox doesn't see my iPod on svn_51 compared to svn_40? And why it won't setup the desktop link automagically?
[13:14:21] <cmihai> heh, nautilus died :)
[13:16:40] * jmcp returns
[13:17:09] <Berny> had a good shopping?
[13:17:25] <Berny> .oO(where are our xmas presents? :>)
[13:17:32] <Gman> cmihai, you need libgpod
[13:17:46] <Gman> it's not installed by default on snv - sure you didn't build or install different packages?
[13:17:47] <jmcp> Berny: most places were closed up or closing
[13:17:54] *** pseudoxh4 has joined #opensolaris
[13:18:01] <jmcp> though I did find a really good starting point for a Canon L-series lens that a friend would like me to get
[13:18:08] <pseudoxh4> What is the status of the Intel 3945ABG wireless thing working on Solaris?
[13:18:20] <jmcp> Gman: who was it you wanted me to say hi to while I'm here?
[13:18:33] <cmihai> Gman: no, no 3rd party stuff
[13:18:45] *** whaq has joined #opensolaris
[13:18:46] <Gman> jmcp, stephen, but he's gone now
[13:18:47] <cmihai> Well, I might have on the svn_40
[13:19:01] <Gman> jmcp, you can say hi to jmr [john rice] instead
[13:20:07] *** whaq has quit IRC
[13:20:20] *** Griffous has quit IRC
[13:24:09] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris
[13:24:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta
[13:24:42] *** leal has joined #opensolaris
[13:24:57] <leal> alanc: Hello,
[13:26:12] <leal> alanc: In solaris Express, There is no remote X connections by default?
[13:26:28] <eject_ck> can anybody help how write IRCd chat log ?
[13:26:33] <jmcp> Gman: I will
[13:27:17] <jmcp> Gman: there's a bloke from the Desktop group staying here at the moment .. Bill I think his name is - ponytail, beard, greying a bit. And there's also a bloke from the compiler team too
[13:27:25] <Gman> yeah
[13:27:33] <Gman> jmr, billh and patrick are in town for an accessibility toi
[13:27:53] *** regx has left #opensolaris
[13:27:54] * jmcp nods
[13:28:04] <jmcp> we're all in the same hotel, too :)
[13:28:21] <Gman> the one right beside the campus?
[13:28:31] <Gman> or shangri la? ;)
[13:28:40] *** eject_ck has left #opensolaris
[13:29:04] <Doc> leal: google on "secure by default"
[13:29:25] <jmcp> Gman: no, Somerset Zhongguancun ... about 3km away
[13:29:36] <Gman> ok
[13:29:59] <leal> Doc: Ok.
[13:29:59] *** jcea has quit IRC
[13:30:03] *** dunc has quit IRC
[13:30:07] <jmcp> Gman: until last week it was the L'Accueil
[13:30:19] <Gman> changes every week i think
[13:30:30] <jmcp> yeah, a bit annoying
[13:30:33] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[13:30:35] <jmcp> but at least it's in a good location
[13:32:36] *** pseudoxh4 is now known as Xh4
[13:33:47] <Gman> ok, sleep for me - latergator
[13:33:50] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK
[13:34:55] <jmcp> gnite
[13:36:18] <leal> Doc: Ok, i did see it. But another question... the X connections were "much" insecure? I mean, is there a recommendation?
[13:36:49] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[13:38:27] *** jcsmith has quit IRC
[13:44:17] *** frankho has joined #opensolaris
[13:45:49] <jmcp> good evening frankho
[13:49:19] <Tpenta> gnite frank, james
[13:50:41] <jmcp> gnite Tpenta
[13:50:45] <jmcp> talk to you tomorrow
[13:50:50] <hile_> night tpenta
[13:50:55] <Tpenta> hile
[13:51:01] <leal> There is a "howto" to install the Solaris OS on a symmetrix disc (HBA)? I mean, procedures to boot from a CD or something?
[13:51:45] <jmcp> leal: assuming you have a leadville-approved fc hba installed in your system then it should "just work(tm)"
[13:53:11] <leal> jmcp: I don't get it, or you dont understand my question... :)) Lets begin with the first. I can install the solaris OS on a disc conected with HBA?
[13:53:31] <leal> The installation procedure is ready to this?
[13:54:03] <leal> How the system will boot?
[13:54:18] *** uebayasi has quit IRC
[13:54:33] <jmcp> leal: yes, it is ready, and no, you don't get it :)
[13:54:50] <lasseoe> I'm guessing his HBA is not leadville approved :)
[13:55:03] <jmcp> when you ask "how will the system boot?" is that after the installation has finished?
[13:55:28] <leal> jmcp: yes.
[13:55:31] <jmcp> ok
[13:55:39] <jmcp> what sort of fc hba do you have?
[13:55:42] <leal> the HBA is qla2200 (HCL ok).
[13:55:47] <jmcp> ok
[13:55:48] <Doc> you can do it with a non-sun HBA, it's just not trivial
[13:55:55] <jmcp> and what rev of Solaris are you wanting to install?
[13:56:09] <leal> nv b50
[13:56:10] <Doc> you need to make a boot CD or netboot image with the correct drivers installed, plus the card needs to have fcode
[13:56:14] <Doc> (i'm presuming sparc)
[13:56:34] <jmcp> Doc: no, you're wrong
[13:56:51] <jmcp> we're talking nv here, and the leadville drivers for that hba were integrated into Solaris a looooooong time ago
[13:56:52] <leal> Doc: yes, my first message. :)) jmcp: the second option, then... :)
[13:57:27] <Doc> leadville will bind to the non-sun version of the card?
[13:57:39] <jmcp> yes, it will
[13:57:45] <lasseoe> nice
[13:58:05] <jmcp> we put in a heck of a lot of work to make that happen
[13:58:05] <dlg> it shoudl match on pci ids, not on presence of fcode
[13:58:05] <leal> Doc: that is the procedure i make on linux. I just want to know if there is a "howto" or something to generate a sol boot CD to do that...
[13:58:27] <Doc> qlg: right, but you cant boot from something without fcode
[13:58:29] *** yakov has joined #opensolaris
[13:58:33] <yakov> hi
[13:58:58] <leal> Doc: fcode??
[13:59:47] <jmcp> leal: are you using a sparc box or an x86 box?
[14:00:00] <leal> jmcp: x86
[14:00:03] <jmcp> right
[14:00:31] <jmcp> so because you're using snv_50 which (btw Doc) is well past s10u1 ... there shouldn't be any problems
[14:00:34] <twincest> don't x86 hbas have boot roms?
[14:00:39] <jmcp> leal: so what problems have you encountered?
[14:00:47] <dlg> twincest: yes
[14:00:48] <jmcp> twincest: yes, but not fcode, by default
[14:00:59] <twincest> what part of the OS needs fcode?
[14:01:07] <dlg> twincest: ofw
[14:01:12] <dlg> os itself doesnt need it
[14:01:13] <twincest> ofw doesn't run on x86
[14:01:13] <jmcp> twincest: the OS doesn't need fcode. OBP needs fcode
[14:01:22] <jmcp> twincest: unless you've got a mac :)
[14:01:24] <twincest> he's using x86, i'm not talking about sparc :)
[14:01:25] <leal> jmcp: No problems... i'm doing a checklist.
[14:01:40] *** Xh4 has quit IRC
[14:02:19] <jmcp> leal: ah, good
[14:03:14] <jmcp> leal: have a look at my presentation http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/updated_getting_to_know_the
[14:03:20] <leal> jmcp: Let's start again... I want to install a nv b50 on a symmetrix disc. I think i will need to make a "boot" CD to load the driver and mount the rootfs.
[14:04:18] <jmcp> no, you will not
[14:04:46] <leal> jmcp: OK, i'm scare... :))
[14:05:03] <leal> jmcp: how it will work?
[14:05:11] <jmcp> leal: you can install directly to your EMC storage, using the leadville (qlc) driver, and you can then use mpxio (multipathing) ... which you don't have to pay for because it's integrated with Solaris
[14:05:19] <jmcp> leal: it's magic. Trust me. I worked on it
[14:05:24] <jmcp> ffs.....
[14:05:31] * jmcp appeals for a verifier ....
[14:07:18] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[14:08:55] <hile_> booting off leadville to EMC storage will work fine
[14:09:00] <hile_> I think we do that in our test env at work
[14:09:04] <hile_> though prod uses lpfc
[14:09:21] * jmcp mutters about lpfc
[14:09:24] <hile_> because that's what EMC qualified for sX x < 10
[14:09:53] <hile_> hey, i've never had any problem with lpfc
[14:10:00] <hile_> other than luxadm(1M) not working on my photon
[14:10:04] <jmcp> leal: Sun got together with QLogic and Emulex to design and implement a unified FC stack. The results you can see in Solaris 10 update 1
[14:10:16] * jmcp mutters more about lpfc
[14:10:25] <jmcp> hey, at least you're not running jni cards with fcaw
[14:10:38] <jmcp> that's just asking for abuse :)
[14:11:36] <leal> jmcp: Ok, i will install it know. I will tell (and post) you the results. Thanks very much!
[14:12:48] <jmcp> leal: just drop a line into this channel some time
[14:12:49] *** boro has quit IRC
[14:13:14] <jmcp> not that I'm working on FC stuff anymore.....
[14:13:17] * jmcp shrugs
[14:15:03] <hile_> do you remember the fun we had with that and my machine?
[14:15:31] <jmcp> heck yeah
[14:15:35] <jmcp> for various values of "fun"
[14:16:35] <hile_> "how many times can i brick my box in a weekend" :)
[14:16:52] <jmcp> let's start at 5, shall we? :)
[14:17:59] *** regx has joined #opensolaris
[14:18:08] <timeless> heh
[14:18:15] <hile_> it was fun though
[14:18:22] <hile_> i did learn a lot
[14:18:28] <hile_> and it's not like it was a prod box
[14:18:33] <hile_> well in the normal prod sense
[14:19:38] <jmcp> timeless: hile_ lives in his server-room :)
[14:19:43] * jmcp pokes hile_
[14:19:51] <hile_> LOL
[14:20:03] <hile_> and you'll see the setup in a month or so too
[14:20:15] <jmcp> yeah, which will be excellent
[14:20:30] <hile_> have you talked J into going shopping with Sushma for a day?
[14:20:36] <jmcp> haven't had a chance
[14:20:40] <jmcp> but I don't think it'll be a problem
[14:20:52] <hile_> "here, go shoping down here so that you're not paying NYC salestax"
[14:22:37] <jmcp> the whole different states have different sales taxes thing is just a tad weird for me
[14:23:24] <timeless> jmcp: that's ok, i live in my cube
[14:23:33] <timeless> but, i think his server room is probably better
[14:23:43] <timeless> jmcp: states?
[14:23:55] <timeless> try cities the next time you're in the philadelphia metro area
[14:24:00] <jmcp> timeless: eeeeek!
[14:24:11] <jmcp> far out, that's insane
[14:24:19] <jmcp> then again ... that's kinda what I expect I guess
[14:24:32] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC
[14:26:02] <timeless> Philadelphia: Economy - Major Industries and Commercial Activity
[14:26:02] <timeless> Local sales tax rate: 1.0%. Property tax rate: 8.26% on every $100 assessed. Economic Information: Greater Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce, Business 200 S. ...
[14:26:03] <timeless> www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-Northeast/Philadelphia-Economy.html - 17k -
[14:26:41] * jmcp shakes head in disbelief
[14:26:46] <jmcp> simcity in real life
[14:27:16] <timeless> there's always the DC metro area which is probably more fun
[14:27:52] <jmcp> wow
[14:28:20] *** yakov has quit IRC
[14:28:41] <timeless> http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/Washington-D-C-Economy.html
[14:29:02] *** Xh4 has joined #opensolaris
[14:29:44] <timeless> http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/Baltimore-Economy.html
[14:32:35] <timeless> looks like SF and SJ and Oak share a 1.25% local sales tax
[14:32:45] <timeless> how conspiratorial of them :)
[14:33:54] *** zxscz has joined #opensolaris
[14:34:20] <andersmo> What are you complaining about? Norway has a national 25% sales tax... =)
[14:34:43] <timeless> i'm in finland, we're not that far behind
[14:34:43] <darrenm> what is the income tax in Norway though ?
[14:34:45] <lasseoe> and don't get us started on income taxes :)
[14:34:54] <timeless> i think norway is #1
[14:35:10] <timeless> http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:hCo1F18S0RIJ:www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0301-12.pdf+income+tax+rates+norway+finland+sweden&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=firefox-a
[14:37:31] <darrenm> max rate in Finland is only 32.5% ?
[14:38:05] <timeless> the scandinavian countries definitely have a lock on high tax rates
[14:38:05] <lasseoe> the top income tax bracket in Denmark is 62 or 63%
[14:38:12] <darrenm> I pay 40% in the UK plus 7% National Insurance (which is capped though at a certain point) and VAT is 17.5%
[14:38:17] <timeless> and btw, their salaries aren't that high
[14:38:18] <darrenm> eek that is high
[14:38:23] <hile_> hey darren
[14:38:40] <darrenm> there used to be such a bracket in the UK quite some time ago but IIRC the Thatcher government got rid of that (thankfully!)
[14:39:33] <hile_> was BSM syslog-plugin stuff added in s10?  I don'tfind reference to it in TFM on my s8 box
[14:39:52] <darrenm> hile_: yes new in S10 not backported anywhere
[14:40:27] <jmcp> I always think of "BSM" as the "bloody stupid module"
[14:40:30] <darrenm> UK tax rates: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/it.htm
[14:40:39] <hile_> ah
[14:40:51] <darrenm> jmcp: we are trying hard to phase out that terminology calling instead "Solaris Audit"
[14:41:00] <hile_> darrenm, bitch and a half to backport, eh?
[14:41:01] <darrenm> we have purged a lot of it from the docs
[14:41:02] <jmcp> darrenm: good thing too.
[14:41:25] <darrenm> hile_: actually probably not to bad to backport but it just isn't going to happen for S8 without a customer paying for it.
[14:41:48] <darrenm> it wouldn't likely even happen for S9 without someone paying for it at this stage since there aren't any more planned S9 update releases as far as I know.
[14:42:04] <hile_> ah.
[14:42:10] <jmcp> darrenm: yay!
[14:42:45] *** nbkk6fo_ has joined #opensolaris
[14:43:22] *** rbrown has quit IRC
[14:44:39] <darrenm> BTW I'm not a fan of backporting features, having been on the sidelines of the backport of the LDAP/SSL stuff to S8 and it was painful! very painful.  There are things you need to consider and get perfect in backporting when the release vehicle is a patch that just aren't underconsideration at all for new releases (new releases just need to upgrade not rollback like patches doe).
[14:44:47] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris
[14:46:52] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC
[14:46:54] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris
[14:47:19] *** nbkk6fo_ has quit IRC
[14:49:19] *** nbkk6fo__ has quit IRC
[14:53:27] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris
[14:55:07] <timeless> you mean you don't like doing the backport yourself as an engineer
[14:55:26] <timeless> or as a user you don't like having backports available and would  like to be forced to migrate to a newer more supported platform? :)
[14:56:23] <darrenm> timeless: no I mean that I don't think that in some cases the amount of work there is to do the backport doesn't justify it from a business sense given the risk in doing it and the pay off.  That certainly isn't true in all cases but it is in many.
[14:56:31] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris
[14:56:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld
[14:56:53] * timeless shrugs
[14:56:58] <darrenm> particuarly when we are talking about backporting a feature only in S10 to S8 when the number of customers that have asked for the backport is 1
[14:57:06] <timeless> heh
[14:57:11] <darrenm> there is very often less risk in upgrading than there is in patching.
[14:57:12] <timeless> the feature i usually want is a web browser
[14:57:22] <darrenm> mozilla.org is your friend for that
[14:57:26] <timeless> they aren't
[14:57:31] <jmcp> darrenm: well as long as the customer is $major_telco_from_Japan ....
[14:57:34] <timeless> they dropped support for various old platforms this year
[14:57:46] <timeless> w9x, macos10.2, ...
[14:57:53] <timeless> they're about to drop various linuxes
[14:58:07] <timeless> not that it matters since the distributions rolled their own
[14:58:17] <darrenm> windows 95 is long due being put to rest it is over 10 years old now
[14:58:20] <timeless> although it might not work at all shortly
[14:58:25] <timeless> 9x includes ME
[14:58:31] <timeless> which isn't really /that/ old
[14:58:34] <timeless> isn't Sol 8 older? :)
[14:58:41] <darrenm> yeah but ME was really just patches to 95 :-)
[14:58:43] <andersmo> it's still utter crap. ;)
[14:58:44] <timeless> i was working on Sol 8 or so around 98
[14:58:54] <timeless> andersmo: i can't argue that point
[14:58:54] <darrenm> S8 was 98 yes
[14:58:59] *** Dragonfire1 has joined #opensolaris
[14:59:12] <timeless> but it doesn't mean i won't run into boxes running it
[14:59:19] <timeless> things i'd never consider installing Vista on
[14:59:28] <timeless> ok, i wouldn't consider installing that on /anything/ but..
[14:59:31] <darrenm> ans S8 is very close to the end of its supported life - I don't remember off the top of my head what the current status is
[14:59:36] <jmcp> timeless: when you do, make sure you run into them so hard that they die and have to be replaced with s10
[14:59:49] <jmcp> darrenm: EOL was july this year iirc
[15:00:54] *** steleman has quit IRC
[15:01:00] <timeless> fwiw, huppi.com says the top rate for finland is only 51% instead of Netherlands which has 72% (?!)
[15:01:14] <jmcp> darrenm: in the Sydney office we thought about having a party to celebrate
[15:01:22] <timeless> heh
[15:01:25] <timeless> why didn't you?
[15:01:35] <jmcp> timeless: whoa! the netherlands allows people to earn money? how capitalist!
[15:01:52] <jmcp> timeless: we couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery sometimes
[15:01:54] <timeless> jmcp: finland doesn't allow people to shop after 6pm on sunday, or before 12noon
[15:02:06] <darrenm> not that Solaris 8 and Trusted Solaris 8 have different EOL schedules though
[15:02:15] <timeless> not or note?
[15:02:30] <darrenm> timeless: sinimar in the UK except it is 10am until 4pm or 11am until 5pm
[15:02:37] <darrenm> s/not/note/
[15:03:01] <jmcp> and in Beijing the shopping centres have varying times ... but you can always buy something off the street
[15:03:06] <timeless> jmcp: they do, but you aren't allowed to use credit cards :(
[15:03:13] <timeless> have to carry change
[15:03:20] <jmcp> true, true
[15:03:30] * timeless almost was stranged at the central railway station in amsterdam trying to get to the airport because of that
[15:03:49] <Cyrille> stranded or strangled?
[15:03:52] <jmcp> there's a lens that a pro photog friend of mine would like me to get ... but I think I'd have to have about 100x100RMB notes with me
[15:03:59] <timeless> doh
[15:04:00] <timeless> stranded
[15:04:02] * timeless sighs
[15:04:38] <timeless> http://www.google.com/search?q=100*100RMB&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0
[15:04:43] <timeless> 100 * 100 Chinese yuan = 1 270.43817 U.S. dollars
[15:04:46] <timeless> not too bad
[15:05:04] <jmcp> timeless: I'm working on CNY/RMB 6 :: AUD 1
[15:09:30] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH
[15:13:00] <frankho> jmcp: ATM machines in Beijing accept european debit cards, at least some of them. But the daily withdrawal limit is around 4000 yi
[15:14:54] <jmcp> hmm
[15:14:58] <jmcp> I might have to stock up
[15:15:01] <jmcp> thanks for that advice
[15:15:20] <jmcp> in Australia I can take out AUD1000/day
[15:15:27] * jmcp ponders ......
[15:16:47] <jmcp> frankho: I've been making sure I go to ATMs that display the Cirrus or Plus symbol, or Visa / Mastercard
[15:16:59] <sommerfeld> in the US the limit is on the order of US$500
[15:17:18] <jmcp> actually, Robs (who is here at the moment as well) tried an atm which didn't have any of those logos... he got rejected each time
[15:17:27] <jmcp> sommerfeld: interesting
[15:17:33] <jmcp> I wonder how the banks decide on that limit
[15:18:23] <sommerfeld> i imagine a bunch of things factor into it -- from loss limitation to how much cash fits in a machine...
[15:18:41] <sommerfeld> and how often they need to visit each machine to top it off..
[15:19:31] <jmcp> that's what I figured
[15:19:50] <jmcp> then again, the US doesn't have much in the way of serious anti-counterfeiting for notes
[15:20:31] <sommerfeld> they've revised the design of the higher-valued notes several times in the past few years.
[15:21:05] <frankho> it's always a competition between the counterfeiters and the fed banks
[15:21:07] <jmcp> true ..
[15:21:28] <jmcp> but they're still pretty much the same colour. definitely the same size and paper/fabric
[15:21:34] <frankho> china also revised its notes, when i was there two different types wer in wide circulation
[15:22:20] <sommerfeld> jmcp: you must not have seen the latest model $20, then
[15:22:23] <jmcp> I got some fresh-from-the-bank notes yesterday
[15:22:31] <jmcp> sommerfeld: I have ... but it's not very colourful at all
[15:22:40] <jmcp> sommerfeld: you need to remember what I'm used to :)
[15:22:54] <sommerfeld> it's more .. subtle coloration
[15:23:17] <sommerfeld> but there are reds and blues in addition to the main green
[15:23:23] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[15:23:27] *** nettie has quit IRC
[15:23:42] <sommerfeld> and an embedded plastic security strip which you can only see if backlit
[15:24:00] <jmcp> yeah. I actually remember seeing a tv news report on it ... and how people were really worried that the new colourful USD20 was going to break with tradition
[15:25:33] <sommerfeld> plus prismatic ink for some of the features which changes color depending on viewing angle
[15:26:35] * jmcp boggles @ item #4 in http://www.ramint.gov.au/about_ram/default.cfm?Defaultpage=faq.cfm
[15:26:42] <jmcp> well that's a step in the right direction
[15:27:28] <jmcp> I think the underlying tune is 'Click go the shears'
[15:27:38] <jmcp> and on that note ... time for bed
[15:27:39] <jmcp> gnite all
[15:30:39] <myrkraverk> does sparc have an equalent of the x86 cpuid instruction?
[15:31:06] <myrkraverk> (didn't find anything definite on google)
[15:35:15] <|tsoome|> why do you need this?
[15:35:20] *** |tsoome| is now known as tsoome
[15:36:59] <myrkraverk> tsoome: Call me pedandic, but I'd like to have it in an autoconf replacement I'm working on (still not sure how sane having assembly in it is though)
[15:37:23] <myrkraverk> tsoome: unless I can query the system for this information
[15:37:58] <PerterB> "psrinfo -v"
[15:38:02] <tsoome> well, to identify the machine, there is hostid, to identify CPU capabilities, there is isainfo
[15:38:06] <PerterB> (querying the system, that is)
[15:38:07] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris
[15:38:22] <myrkraverk> PerterB: hmm, with an api too?
[15:38:38] <myrkraverk> (maybe I should just look at the psrinfo code :P )
[15:38:41] <PerterB> actually, isainfo is probably more what you're looking for
[15:39:04] <myrkraverk> PerterB: well, on x86, it does not give me the cpu flags
[15:39:15] <myrkraverk> (I think)
[15:39:39] <tsoome> [105] tsoome@kass:~> isainfo -v
[15:39:40] <tsoome> 64-bit amd64 applications
[15:39:40] <tsoome>         sse2 sse fxsr amd_3dnowx amd_3dnow amd_mmx mmx cmov amd_sysc cx8 tsc
[15:39:40] <tsoome>         fpu
[15:39:40] <tsoome> 32-bit i386 applications
[15:39:40] <tsoome>         sse2 sse fxsr amd_3dnowx amd_3dnow amd_mmx mmx cmov amd_sysc cx8 tsc
[15:39:41] <tsoome>         fpu
[15:39:42] <myrkraverk> and, perverse as it is, using the cpuid instruction, seems the only *portable* way, across x86 unices
[15:40:14] <myrkraverk> tsoome: k, I'll look at the isainfo sources then ;)
[15:40:42] <PerterB> sysinfo(2) is the api you're looking for
[15:41:01] <myrkraverk> ah, k
[15:41:08] <PerterB> not sure what you mean by cpu flags though, or why you need them
[15:41:25] *** LordKing has quit IRC
[15:43:38] <myrkraverk> PerterB: well, for the sake of something like mplayer, it can matter to select the right compiler flags, based on such info (makefile generation magic)
[15:45:02] <myrkraverk> but, out of curiosity, *does* sparc have such an instruction?
[15:45:43] *** Fooner_ has joined #opensolaris
[15:46:02] *** PosixCompliantNe has quit IRC
[15:46:21] <PerterB> no idea :)  as for compiler flags, that's something for user level programs (like autoconf ;) to figure out based on what kinds of instructions are available, surely
[15:46:34] <tsoome> myrkraverk: you can find sparc assembler manual from docs.sun.com
[15:47:14] <myrkraverk> tsoome: did find some, but have not found anything definite it it yet (compared: finding the info for alpha was easy)
[15:48:46] <tsoome> well, for autoconf scripts isainfo is good enough
[15:49:41] <myrkraverk> tsoome: yes, well, I'm writing an autoconf replacement *shrug*
[15:50:15] <myrkraverk> I want something I can fix when it gets broken, autoconf isn't that
[15:53:10] *** Xh4 has quit IRC
[16:01:16] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[16:01:23] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC
[16:01:43] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC
[16:03:27] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris
[16:04:03] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC
[16:04:35] <tsoome> myrkraverk: btw, you may be interested about this manual: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1984/6mhm7pl34?a=view
[16:05:19] <myrkraverk> k, thank
[16:05:46] *** calLNCH has quit IRC
[16:07:37] <tsoome> and link at the end of page as well;)
[16:08:48] *** Mazon is now known as mazon
[16:08:50] *** pogma has quit IRC
[16:09:11] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris
[16:14:23] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris
[16:15:29] <kimc> good morning
[16:17:00] <timeless> oh fsck
[16:17:05] <timeless> No space left on device
[16:17:16] <timeless> swift% df -h ~
[16:17:17] <timeless> Filesystem             size   used  avail capacity  Mounted on
[16:17:17] <timeless> root_pool/home/timeless
[16:17:17] <timeless>                         69G   7.6G   2.8M   100%    /export/home/timeless
[16:17:24] <quasi> plenty of space left in /dev/null
[16:17:32] *** _Hunger- has joined #opensolaris
[16:17:43] <OnkelSchorsch_> help: rm -f / doesn't work
[16:17:48] <OnkelSchorsch_> :D
[16:18:07] <OnkelSchorsch_> argl you know how I meant to type it
[16:21:17] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris
[16:23:24] <PerterB> hmmm.... I'm not sure which is more troubling, the fact that this 5.7 (eeuw) box hasn't been patched since Dec 31 2000 or the fact that someone was working on New Years Eve doing that kind of thing
[16:24:39] <Stric> Dec 31 1999 would be more interesting :)
[16:24:52] <PerterB> yeah
[16:25:01] <quasi> 7 is just an abomination - I'd rather stay with .6
[16:25:14] <PerterB> quasi: no argument from me on that one
[16:25:30] <PerterB> pretty much everyone I know skipped over 7
[16:25:45] * Stric did too :)
[16:26:00] <quasi> previous^2 job had pretty much everything on 7
[16:26:09] <quasi> not fun
[16:28:08] <PerterB> it's a poxy old ultra 10 anyway, we should just take it out and shoot it
[16:28:19] <trygvis> what was so bad with 7?
[16:28:28] <quasi> trygvis: everything
[16:28:38] <trygvis> meaning? :)
[16:28:43] * trygvis started on sol9
[16:29:15] *** pogma has joined #opensolaris
[16:31:41] *** tsoome has quit IRC
[16:32:50] *** Hunger- has quit IRC
[16:32:53] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris
[16:33:04] *** zxscz has quit IRC
[16:37:04] *** tom_ has joined #opensolaris
[16:37:12] *** tom_ is now known as tomww
[16:38:38] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris
[16:38:40] <timeless> we used 2.7 (and 2.5 and 2.6)
[16:38:57] <timeless> or 5., however you like counting
[16:38:59] *** Saltsa has joined #opensolaris
[16:39:27] <timeless> so, how compatible is snv's nfs client w/ a linux nfs server?
[16:39:54] <timeless> since i ran out of disk space, i might try to have my snv box move some of its data to another computer but still offer it, if possible
[16:40:35] <PerterB> you might need to peg it back to nfsv3, but otherwise should be fine (linux nfs apparently has nfsv4 "issues")
[16:41:18] <AbeFroman> issues doesn't even scratch the surface
[16:42:49] <PerterB> :)
[16:45:16] *** LordKing has quit IRC
[16:45:30] *** tomww has quit IRC
[16:46:27] *** BluePosixCat has joined #opensolaris
[16:46:30] *** PosixCompliantNe has joined #opensolaris
[16:46:37] *** BluePosixCat has left #opensolaris
[16:46:41] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris
[16:48:41] *** Dragonfire1 has quit IRC
[16:48:41] <PosixCompliantNe> looking for a good ipfilter tutorial
[16:50:12] <uebayasi> is there openfirmware chat channel?
[16:50:36] *** Dragonfire1 has joined #opensolaris
[16:50:41] <uebayasi> (especially Sun/Firmworks BSDL'ed one)
[16:51:05] <uebayasi> (BSD/MIT actually)
[16:52:02] <PerterB> PosixCompliantNe: the canonical ipfilter howto is at http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/
[16:52:50] <PosixCompliantNe> PerterB, I saw it before: it began by "Latest Version: 2002-12-11"
[16:53:16] <PosixCompliantNe> so I was hesitating ... is it updated to latest changes ? as I understand
[16:53:21] <PerterB> it hasn't changed much :)
[16:53:36] <PosixCompliantNe> now it is not a STREAM module
[16:53:49] <PosixCompliantNe> but uses packet filtering hooks ; am I right ?
[16:54:04] <PosixCompliantNe> does it change anything in configuring / starting/adminstering it
[16:54:08] <PosixCompliantNe> ?
[16:54:24] *** Fooner_ has quit IRC
[16:55:02] <PerterB> I don't know much about the actual solaris implementation, but you adminster it with the same ipf/ipnat commands and rules as on other platforms, so STREAMS or not shouldn't make much difference
[16:56:25] <PosixCompliantNe> PerterB, ok , thnks
[16:57:14] *** bunker_work has quit IRC
[16:58:00] *** nbkk6fo__ has joined #opensolaris
[16:58:07] *** nbkk6fo__ is now known as rodrickbrown
[17:01:15] *** mazon is now known as Mazon
[17:06:24] *** bougie_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:07:57] *** bengtf has quit IRC
[17:08:52] *** spike723_ has quit IRC
[17:09:11] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris
[17:11:06] *** spike723_ has joined #opensolaris
[17:12:26] *** deather_ is now known as deather
[17:12:27] <uebayasi> hmm
[17:13:28] <sommerfeld> uebayasi: haven't seen much if any openfirmware chat here
[17:13:29] *** bougie has quit IRC
[17:13:34] *** laca has quit IRC
[17:26:13] *** Cyl has quit IRC
[17:26:14] *** [1]Cyl is now known as Cyl
[17:29:54] *** kimc has quit IRC
[17:34:22] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris
[17:39:15] *** estibi is now known as e57181
[17:39:42] *** tomww has joined #opensolaris
[17:43:08] *** sungnyc has joined #opensolaris
[17:44:15] *** sungnyc has quit IRC
[17:47:30] <tomww> hi
[17:48:29] *** baldwinsung has joined #opensolaris
[17:50:43] <rodrickbrown> hi
[17:51:06] <rodrickbrown> so 11/06 on monday ?
[17:52:17] *** baldwinsung has quit IRC
[17:53:54] *** baldwinsung has joined #opensolaris
[17:57:26] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris
[17:57:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel
[17:57:36] *** dunc has quit IRC
[17:59:52] *** loke has quit IRC
[18:00:10] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris
[18:01:18] *** uebayasi has quit IRC
[18:06:48] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris
[18:15:13] *** _Hunger- is now known as Hunger-
[18:16:48] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC
[18:20:19] *** crash| has joined #opensolaris
[18:21:22] *** darrenm has left #opensolaris
[18:21:43] <timeless> how do i find out what version of svn i have? svn --help says Subversion command-line client, version 1.3.0.
[18:22:03] <timeless> but the svnbook.red-bean.com seems to indicate svn 1.3 isn't final
[18:22:38] *** Cyrille has quit IRC
[18:24:01] <leal> jmcp: 50% :(
[18:25:04] *** raph_ael has quit IRC
[18:27:31] *** cheatersrealm has joined #opensolaris
[18:28:15] <cheatersrealm> so I installed nexenta yesterday, and it works without the sata controller card (sil3114 chipset) but it hangs on a boot with the card
[18:28:22] <cheatersrealm> how should I try and debug this?
[18:28:29] <cheatersrealm> +\
[18:30:56] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris
[18:33:03] *** dlynes_laptop has quit IRC
[18:35:42] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris
[18:35:56] <gdamore> hi *
[18:36:27] *** crash| has quit IRC
[18:36:53] <jbk> morning
[18:38:25] *** whaq has joined #opensolaris
[18:39:01] <whaq> hey hey
[18:39:45] <PerterB> gdamore: was it you that said you were looking at building a small zfs server from one of those Shuttle type mini-PCs?
[18:39:57] <gdamore> yep.
[18:40:16] <gdamore> i'm waiting for my Via C7 based system to arrive. :-)
[18:40:20] <gdamore> should be here today.
[18:40:33] <PerterB> did you get as far as choosing a set of hardware that would likely work?
[18:40:34] <PerterB> aha
[18:40:37] <gdamore> yep.
[18:40:40] <whaq> I've just finished installing SX on a shuttle SN25P actually
[18:40:41] <PerterB> cool... I'm thinking along the same lines
[18:40:53] <gdamore> I'm going to try out a Via C7 (Jetway board)
[18:41:07] <PerterB> ok
[18:41:10] <gdamore> along with a pair of SATA drives for ZFS store, and a PATA driver for the root disk.
[18:41:16] <gdamore> s/driver/drive/
[18:41:49] <PerterB> they fit 3 drives? (I was just going to use a pair of drives with a smallish SVM slice)
[18:42:01] <gdamore> btw, maxtor 200GB drives (SATA/150) are dirt cheap at fry's right now -- i ordered two for $69 each
[18:42:15] <gdamore> yes. the board has 4 ATA and 2 SATA connectors
[18:42:35] <gdamore> and a full PCI slot so you can add more SATA (think eSATA :-) later
[18:42:41] <PerterB> whaq: the SN25P looks quite nice too...
[18:43:05] <sommerfeld> 4 ATA?  two ports times master+slave or 4 actual ATA connectors?
[18:43:50] <gdamore> sommerfeld: i _think_ it is 4 actual ATA connectors.
[18:43:56] <whaq> PerterB: Yep. Much faster than I expected.. I bought the cheapest pci-e gfx card I found (geforce 6200) and athlon x2
[18:44:01] <gdamore> but i only am gonna use two drives, so i don't care
[18:44:34] <whaq> and 2gb ram
[18:44:40] <PerterB> cool
[18:44:41] <gdamore> whaq: the shuttle system looks cool, but it runs much hotter than i hope my via will.  i'm trying to get a full NAS server for < 20W.
[18:44:48] <whaq> now i'm wrestling w/ zfs on usb2
[18:45:13] <gdamore> i'm thinking of ordering a second board so I can write a kcf provider for the on-chip crypto on the Via C7
[18:45:14] <PerterB> I think I'd way prefer eSATA to usb2 any day
[18:45:16] <whaq> gdamore: it's near silent and much cooler than i anticipated.. my first shuttle SFF (VIA based) was much much hotter
[18:45:38] <gdamore> i'm not concerned about heat/noise specifically, but about power consumption.  as a NAS box, it will be on 24/7.
[18:45:53] <whaq> yea, me too. unfortunately the sn25p doesn't have pci connector..
[18:45:59] <gdamore> and i don't care about compute speed much, because i'm not gonna use it as a desktop
[18:46:20] <gdamore> heh.  the jetway boards have one pci connector, and a custom daughterboard connector two.
[18:46:29] <gdamore> you can get a 3x gigE daughter card. :-)
[18:46:51] <gdamore> which is what i'll probably do, and use IPMP to get even higher performance
[18:47:11] <whaq> what's the jetway case like?
[18:47:15] <gdamore> they also have a 2GHz CPU out now
[18:47:21] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris
[18:47:22] <whaq> what's IPMP?
[18:47:24] <gdamore> jetway doesn't have a case.
[18:47:31] <gdamore> i picked up an Antec Aria case.
[18:47:40] <gdamore> IP multipathing.
[18:47:53] <gdamore> (ethernet bonding)
[18:48:00] <whaq> Ooo
[18:48:33] <gdamore> unfortunately, to get the best IPMP perf you really want a switch that speaks 802.3ad, but those cost mucho $$
[18:48:39] <whaq> i've got 6 x 500GB drives but no suitable case..
[18:48:40] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris
[18:48:52] <gdamore> but you can still get good tx performance, even with a dumb hub. :-)
[18:49:00] <gdamore> well, maybe not a hub, but a switch.
[18:49:21] <gdamore> whaq: the Antec Aria case only holds 3x 3.5" and 1x5.25" drives
[18:49:55] <gdamore> if you have that many drives you probably want a mid tower at least.
[18:50:48] *** laca has joined #opensolaris
[18:51:00] <gdamore> i'm _hopeful_ that the jetway board will arrive today. :-)
[18:53:30] *** whaq has quit IRC
[18:59:48] *** cheatersrealm has left #opensolaris
[19:01:27] *** damienc has quit IRC
[19:01:38] *** ndroux has joined #opensolaris
[19:07:23] *** bondolo has quit IRC
[19:10:08] *** frankho has quit IRC
[19:11:14] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris
[19:15:52] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:18] *** gaucho_binario has joined #opensolaris
[19:20:33] <gdamore> hey, is anyone using Solaris on Intel Core 2 Duo?
[19:21:07] <jamesd_> gdamore, not untill you send me one.
[19:21:29] <gdamore> heh.  not likely.  am wondering about giving the wife my Ultra 20 and replacing it with a core 2 duo. :-)
[19:21:48] * Stric has a c2d, but it's running xp&debian :P
[19:22:52] <gdamore> jamesd_: are you a sun employee?  was your comment meant to infer _nobody_ runs it because solaris doesn't have support? :-)
[19:23:18] <jamesd_> i am not a sun employee.. but is open to all job offers.... HINT, HINT, HINT!!!!!
[19:23:30] <gdamore> heh.  :-)
[19:23:50] <gdamore> we have openings for Solaris engineers in Cambridge, UK.
[19:24:18] <jamesd_> can I work at home?   and come into the office say once a decade?
[19:24:21] <gdamore> possibly also in Cupertino. :-)
[19:24:38] <gdamore> jamesd_: I work at home, and come into the office ~quarterly.
[19:25:13] <rodrickbrown> Cupertino is so expensive
[19:25:14] <jamesd_> well the u.k. isn't exactly in my backyard....  there is that little pond that gets in the way.
[19:25:16] <rodrickbrown> and the UK is too far :)
[19:25:27] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris
[19:25:49] <leal> Doc: i was talking to you and jmcp about boot through qla2200...
[19:26:05] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away
[19:26:06] <gdamore> heh.  I live in Riverside county, CA (unincorporated county, in the sticks).  it makes it hard to be part of the team sometimes.
[19:26:47] *** kloczek has quit IRC
[19:26:59] <jamesd_> cool, my wife's best friend lives in riverside, ca ... and I used to live in  grand terrace, CA...
[19:27:17] <gdamore> heh.
[19:27:36] <gdamore> the only time i talk to engineers in real-time these days is here on #opensolaris. :-)
[19:28:37] *** prstat has joined #opensolaris
[19:28:49] <tomww> thats the moment to say: #opensolaris is a great place :-)
[19:29:13] <gdamore> heh. :-)
[19:29:24] *** Ken_M has joined #opensolaris
[19:29:24] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris
[19:29:27] <gdamore> this looks like it would make a nice workstation class system: http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SD37P2-Spec.asp
[19:30:26] * jamesd_ wonders what the employee discount is on a  u2 m2 these days...
[19:30:37] <jamesd_> er u20m2
[19:30:52] <gdamore> probably not much.  employee discounts on low end hardware suck.  sun doesn't have much margin on them.
[19:31:28] * gdamore purchased a SB100 years ago on an employee discount.  list $900.  actual cost after discount: $800
[19:32:06] <Ken_M> gdamore <- Can the shuttle power supply handle a Nvidia Quadro 3500 card? ;>
[19:32:15] <gdamore> dunno.  its a 400W PSU
[19:32:50] <Ken_M> Does make a nice little workstation.
[19:33:21] <gdamore> all these high end graphics cards on Solaris just don't make much sense to me.  Almost nothing uses OpenGL, as far as I can see.
[19:33:31] <gdamore> (at least under Solaris)
[19:34:06] <gdamore> i suspect an older radeon 9250 would be plenty of graphics horsepower. :-)  actually my geforce 6600 performs quite nicely.
[19:34:15] <OnkelSchorsch_> flightgear uses opengl :)
[19:34:23] <gdamore> without the need for its own nuclear reactor. :-)
[19:34:24] <jamesd_> my  fx-1400 does wonders...
[19:34:52] <dwc-> hm, only pci x8, no pci x16
[19:34:57] <gdamore> i ran gl-117 a while ago, but not flightgear.  gl-117 ran nicely at full 1920x1200 on the geforce 6600.
[19:35:11] <dwc-> err pcie
[19:35:48] <gdamore> dwc-: that could be a problem.  is anyone making pcie x8 graphics boards?
[19:35:53] <OnkelSchorsch_> nice. haven't heard of gl-117 before.
[19:35:54] <OnkelSchorsch_> thanks
[19:36:05] <delewis> OpenGL is sort of a must on SPARC if you want to do video scaling
[19:36:10] <delewis> (given the lack of Xvideo)
[19:36:13] <dwc-> I -think- the pcie x16 cards will talk pcie x8
[19:36:13] *** baldwinsung has quit IRC
[19:36:23] <dwc-> but there's a list of compatible cards
[19:36:40] <gdamore> delewis: yes, but the performance demands are still pretty modest.
[19:37:15] *** regx has quit IRC
[19:37:20] <dwc-> rather silly... you hit "compatibility chart" on the sd37p2 page, and it doesn't take you to the compatibility list for that model, but to the list of all the xpc barebones
[19:37:20] <delewis> nethack is all anyone ever needed.
[19:37:21] <delewis> :-)
[19:37:31] <delewis> that or 'trek'
[19:37:37] <dwc-> xblast
[19:37:44] <gdamore> xpilot!
[19:37:50] <jamesd_> Ularn  and freeciv
[19:38:13] <delewis> I like Civilization but freeciv feels a bit too rough.
[19:38:17] <gdamore> geez.  i have burned so much of my life on xpilot years ago it is sickening.  probably why i can't get into games like WoW now.
[19:38:22] <delewis> I guess I've just been spoiled by Civ IV :-0
[19:38:24] <delewis> er :-)
[19:38:45] <gdamore> unix gaming is a wasteland, anyway. :-)
[19:38:59] <gdamore> (and i'm probably much better off for it. :-)
[19:39:02] <PerterB> Damn... what version of Solaris did growfs appear? (I thought 8 had it, but apparently I am wrong)
[19:39:03] <delewis> gdamore: yes, and that's why my "Windows workstation" is currently sitting in the closet.
[19:39:36] *** baldwinsung has joined #opensolaris
[19:39:48] <gdamore> delewis: yep.  now if i could only bear to pkgrm Jspider, my productivity would go right up. :-)
[19:40:28] <delewis> ugh, this CD-ROM drive in my E4500 is slow :-(
[19:40:47] <Auralis> PerterB: solaris 9, with 8 its part of sds
[19:41:25] <PerterB> Auralis: ta... so I can maybe swipe it from a box with sds ;)
[19:41:27] <delewis> I'm finally starting to feel comfortable with SVM, but after you're familiar with 2 or 3 volume managers, picking up another one isn't that bad.
[19:41:36] <delewis> originally, I thought a lot of the SVM syntax was clummsy.
[19:42:05] <delewis> (keep in mind that I've been spoiled by the AIX LVM for quite some time)
[19:42:12] <Auralis> PerterB: no need growfs is just a frontend for mkfs using a undocumented switch
[19:42:29] <PerterB> oh?
[19:42:57] <PerterB> (the server I'm working on is vxvm, but for some reason this fs is ufs but needs to be grown)
[19:43:18] <gdamore> heh.  Intel is making much ado about being the first Quad core processor "for mainstream servers".  Sun skipped Quad core right to 8 core. :-)
[19:43:44] *** Dark-Lord has joined #opensolaris
[19:43:52] <tomww> Auralis: have a look at it. maybe its a shell-script :-)
[19:44:27] <PerterB> tomww: it is :)
[19:44:42] <PerterB> sorted... ta
[19:45:23] <Auralis> gdamore: siun sells the T1 as quad core as well
[19:45:32] <Odin-> gdamore: With individual cores that think they're quads, I believe?
[19:45:41] <gdamore> heh. :-)
[19:46:09] <gdamore> maybe its "mainstream" that they're claiming.  i guess SPARC is not considered mainstream.
[19:48:08] <Ken_M> Everything seems like its going to x64 or PPC-based solutions. :<
[19:48:35] <Ken_M> The T1 rocks though.
[19:48:55] <gdamore> in the embedded space MIPS is still big.
[19:49:00] <gdamore> so is ARM.
[19:49:20] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[19:49:26] <gdamore> i don't know anyone who is doing new general purpose computers based on PPC
[19:49:43] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris
[19:49:59] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC
[19:50:09] <twincest> Odin-: it has 8 cores on the chip, each core runs 4 threads
[19:50:15] <delewis> gdamore: "general-purpose", not really, but IBM is pushing POWER and PowerPC on their servers.
[19:50:16] <gdamore> (well, maybe IBM for high-end Power systems.  Yech.)
[19:50:19] <Ken_M> IBM has a new Cell-based server out.
[19:50:26] <delewis> gdamore: high-end? no
[19:50:32] <delewis> a $3,000 pSeries is not "high-end" :-)
[19:50:41] <gdamore> heh.
[19:50:56] * gdamore doesn't think cell is going to really take off.
[19:51:03] <Ken_M> Also a supercomputer based on Cell...
[19:51:24] * gdamore thinks PS3 fiascos are going to result in lower than expected volumes on cell, keeping it a niche processor
[19:51:34] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc
[19:52:12] <sommerfeld> gdamore: you mean something like: trouble fabbing cell -> inadequate day 1 volume of PS3 -> riots
[19:52:13] <sommerfeld> ?
[19:52:24] <gdamore> something like that. :-)
[19:52:51] <Ken_M> I think Sun has the UltraSPARC T1 type markets for now.. with 8-16 cores solutions.
[19:53:00] *** calumb has quit IRC
[19:53:27] <gdamore> i think also, the extremely high price point of PS3 and lack of compelling content is going to keep it from "mainstream" adoption, resulting in "lower volumes".  IBM doesn't care though, because they are making money with PPC Broadway in the Wii. :-)
[19:53:56] <gdamore> heh.  IBM wins whichever way it goes, as long as XBox 360 isn't the long term winner. :-)
[19:54:10] <Error_404> isn't 360 PPC based as well?
[19:54:17] <delewis> yes
[19:54:38] <delewis> (not that I've ever used it)
[19:54:57] *** RaD|Tz has joined #opensolaris
[19:55:27] <gdamore> wow, i didn't know that.  IBM is really sitting pretty then. :-)
[19:55:29] <Ken_M> PS3 wins only by upgrading user-base from the PS2 market!
[19:55:54] * gdamore owns a ps2, and feels ~0 reason to upgrade to a ps3
[19:56:00] <Ken_M> ;>
[19:56:14] <gdamore> however, dr. mario on vc is a compelling reason to get a wii. :-)
[19:56:17] <delewis> heh, I *may* pick up a second PS2, as mine broke years ago.
[19:56:23] <delewis> I imagine they're dirt-cheap right now.
[19:56:34] <gdamore> not really, still over $100
[19:56:48] <gdamore> gamecube is cheapest at around $99
[19:57:26] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris
[20:01:33] *** bougie_ has quit IRC
[20:02:28] *** yoonix has joined #opensolaris
[20:05:52] *** Arnald has joined #opensolaris
[20:05:55] *** jcea has left #opensolaris
[20:07:05] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris
[20:08:30] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris
[20:09:25] *** mega has joined #opensolaris
[20:12:27] *** logic_ has quit IRC
[20:16:15] *** Ken_M has quit IRC
[20:26:10] *** polk__ has quit IRC
[20:26:26] *** richlowe has joined #opensolaris
[20:27:16] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris
[20:28:47] *** Kernel86_ has joined #OpenSolaris
[20:30:39] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC
[20:30:39] *** mlh_ has quit IRC
[20:30:39] *** mlh has quit IRC
[20:42:28] *** kleppari has quit IRC
[20:45:50] *** bobbyz has quit IRC
[20:46:27] *** mega has quit IRC
[20:48:01] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris
[20:51:10] <alanc> that should get some people's interest: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006112201/
[20:52:48] <Auralis> woot, its getting closer
[20:52:57] <gdamore> wow.  niagra-2 putback looks cool.
[20:53:22] <gdamore> when  can i get mine? :-)
[20:54:16] <gdamore> from the e-mail, note: 6483040 ON platform support for Huron (SPARC-Enterprise-T5120 & SPARC-Enterprise-T5220
[20:54:48] <gdamore> so i guess we have code names.  but i wonder if Sun is switching to SPARC-xxx as product naming?
[20:55:39] <sickness> guys you know, now someone, some group, will come up with the usual mean linux port for xbox360 and wii... that's plain boring, I'd look forward to an opensolaris port ghgh >:P
[20:55:59] *** RaD|Tz has quit IRC
[20:56:57] <gdamore> feel free to do one.  they have PPC, and there is Polaris. :-)
[20:57:39] <gdamore> i don't have any PPC hardware to work with (other than my PS2, which the family wouldn't let me take out of production as a game console), but I have some MIPS hardware.  one of these days I'll eventually get enough time to start working on the MIPS port
[20:59:18] <gdamore> anyone know, does the 10gigE on T2 require optical media?  or is copper an option?
[20:59:55] *** razrX has joined #opensolaris
[21:00:19] <jbk> it'd be nice if there was just one standard
[21:00:57] <jbk> our network people decided for gige to put fiber everywhere instead of copper
[21:01:26] <sommerfeld> well, there are tradeoffs.  cost vs. cable length limits.
[21:01:34] <Auralis> one standard? come one we deal with computers here, there will be lots of standards to chose from
[21:02:20] *** stevel has quit IRC
[21:02:30] <jbk> well none of the rooms exceed from end to end teh copper distance limitations
[21:02:48] <jbk> and doing the math, it would have been cheaper to go with copper
[21:04:15] <jbk> in some cases we've had to actually use a much more expensive machine, simply because we couldn't fit enough cards in the one that would have been sufficient (cpu/mem wise)
[21:04:39] *** oxygene has joined #opensolaris
[21:06:05] <sommerfeld> what they do in our building is fiber to the building wing or lab, copper within the wing/lab.
[21:06:18] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC
[21:07:14] <jbk> that would make sense :)
[21:07:51] <jbk> we just recently (after having an outage and having to get a director involved) finally convinced our network admins to leave auto negotiate on on ports going forward
[21:13:24] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris
[21:13:45] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris
[21:17:07] *** Arnald has quit IRC
[21:17:28] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris
[21:26:10] *** Xh4 has joined #opensolaris
[21:26:13] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris
[21:27:07] *** LordKing has quit IRC
[21:27:13] *** gaucho_binario has quit IRC
[21:29:17] *** Xh4 has quit IRC
[21:32:44] *** laca has quit IRC
[21:42:12] *** oxygene has quit IRC
[21:42:44] <trygvis> if I have a package in a directory created with pkgmk, how can I make a file I can give to pkgadd?
[21:42:50] <trygvis> is it just a tar file?
[21:42:56] <richlowe> you can give the directory to pkgadd.
[21:43:05] <richlowe> if you want a datastream package, use pkgtrans
[21:44:06] <trygvis> thanks
[21:44:27] *** Burana has quit IRC
[21:49:31] <Doc> free copies of solaris 10 media - sun.com/solaris/freemedia
[21:50:20] <alanc> it's s10u2 (S10 6/06) for now
[21:51:04] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris
[21:52:35] <_william_> hi all
[21:54:52] *** cierny_kocur has joined #opensolaris
[21:55:32] <AbeFroman> neat
[21:55:41] <cierny_kocur> HI. I need some help with Solaris 10 installation. Pls. I didn't find usefull information on google. Could somebody help me?
[21:55:54] <rodrickbrown> cierny_kocur, sure sit back while I probe your brain
[21:56:00] <rodrickbrown> this may take a bit, dont move
[21:56:33] <cierny_kocur> i really need help
[21:56:49] <Auralis> how about stting what the problem ist?
[21:57:15] *** PosixCompliantNe has quit IRC
[21:57:51] <cierny_kocur> ok...I am trying to install solaris10 on my laptop (compaq presario r4000 amd64), after boot from CD, i got grub..
[21:58:24] <cierny_kocur> then...i select to install solaris, nut then i have some problems with fonts....text is unreadable
[21:58:40] *** bluFox has joined #opensolaris
[21:59:05] <cierny_kocur> any ideas?
[21:59:26] *** bluFox has quit IRC
[21:59:36] <tsoome> console font? xwindows font?
[21:59:41] <cierny_kocur> text is unreadable, so I can not choose any options
[21:59:46] <cierny_kocur> console
[22:00:00] <alanc> you don't even get the first question about graphics or console mode install?
[22:00:01] *** bluFox has joined #opensolaris
[22:00:38] <cierny_kocur> yes, exactly...I can not read first question...text is unreadable. I can not choose any option
[22:01:22] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC
[22:02:40] <cierny_kocur> hmmm
[22:03:39] <tsoome> default will accept interactive install and settings for graphics, so wait for a while
[22:04:15] <cierny_kocur> i was waiting....but nothings happend...next time i was trying press enter...also nothing happend
[22:04:33] <tsoome> try different monitor
[22:04:46] <cierny_kocur> it is laptop (15.4")
[22:05:03] <tsoome> so connect external monitor?
[22:05:35] <cierny_kocur> ok..i will try...thanks
[22:06:23] *** bluFox has left #opensolaris
[22:07:30] *** cierny_kocur has quit IRC
[22:11:39] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris
[22:12:31] *** mlh_ has joined #opensolaris
[22:13:32] *** gdamore has quit IRC
[22:21:50] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman
[22:25:42] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris
[22:26:03] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris
[22:28:02] *** klocze1 has quit IRC
[22:28:42] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris
[22:30:02] *** klocze1 has quit IRC
[22:30:38] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris
[22:31:58] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC
[22:33:53] <boyd> Morning, all
[22:34:09] <bobbyz> I've currently got 3 sata drives (that are now working with my sata controller thanks to the help I got in here last night :)  ) that I'm going to use for zfs but plan to add another 2 or 3 drives soon.  It seems like raidz2 is the way to go if you're using 5+ drives, so I want to do that.  However, is it okay to use the 3 drives for raidz2 right now, fill them a bunch and then add the other drives when I get them?
[22:35:16] <jamesd_> bobbyz, no.
[22:35:17] <boyd> You can't add drives to an raidz2 vdev. You can, however add a second vdev later.
[22:35:52] <bobbyz> ahh....but you can add drives to a raidz vdev?
[22:35:53] <jamesd_> sounds like a better match for raidz ...  setup 3 drives...  it will equal 2 drives of space ( if all drives are the same size)
[22:36:06] <jamesd_> nope...
[22:36:13] <boyd> bobbyz: no :(
[22:36:53] <bobbyz> ahh...for some reason I thought you could add extra drives to zfs raidz(1/2) vdevs
[22:37:20] <jamesd_> its a requested feature... so may be some time in the future.. but not now
[22:37:26] <bobbyz> gotcha
[22:38:57] <bobbyz> yeah, I couldn't figure out in my head how that would work unless there was some background process that went through and re-wrote (spreading out) pre-existing data when a new drive was added
[22:40:47] <boyd> bobbyz: Indeed, whereas if you add another vdev it doesn't need to, since it just balances over time
[22:41:08] <bobbyz> gotcha
[22:42:10] *** yarihm has quit IRC
[22:45:19] <boyd> Anyone done ike with CA signed certs?
[22:46:03] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris
[22:47:31] *** klocze1 has quit IRC
[22:48:06] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris
[22:52:13] *** Denis_123 has joined #opensolaris
[22:52:25] <Gman> woo, internal snv53 images out!
[22:52:30] * Gman waits to be kicked in the pants by various people
[22:55:57] <alanc> solaris_media/nv/53/x86/solaris_1-iso.zip ... 341,933,262    6.34M/s
[22:55:58] *** kimc has quit IRC
[22:56:05] <alanc> 8-)
[22:56:12] <boyd> Gman: Yay!... wanna email me one
[22:56:13] <boyd> ?
[22:56:48] <alanc> it's good to have 100MB between your machine and the server with the ISO images on
[22:56:51] <Gman> are you kidding?
[22:57:04] <alanc> much faster since they moved it to MPK from NWK
[22:57:05] <Gman> with my connection here at the bottom of the world, i'll be lucky to have them down by midnight
[22:57:47] <twincest> does cstyle support C++?
[22:57:50] *** darkcmd has joined #opensolaris
[22:58:03] <alanc> the install images aren't on the lab pxe server yet, so I have to burn CD1 to boot from and then pick up the install images from jurassic, since I can't live-upgrade this machine
[22:58:17] <darkcmd> does solaris have support for fibre channel cards under x86?
[22:58:22] <twincest> yes
[22:58:34] <Fetch> very decent support, in fact
[22:58:49] <darkcmd> awesome :D
[22:59:08] *** bougie has quit IRC
[22:59:09] <Fetch> just make sure you're using solaris express or a very patched version of sol10
[22:59:21] <Fetch> the sol10 initial releases had some flaky qlogic support
[23:00:56] <boyd> Gman: Yes, I was kidding :)
[23:01:25] <Gman> oooh, suduko has gone into gnome-games package for 2.17
[23:02:06] <alanc> there goes another 10% of our engineering productivity
[23:03:08] <Gman> just as well that we have the open source community to prop us up
[23:03:17] <Gman> boom-tish
[23:03:56] <rydis> Nah, a sudoku solver shouldn't take more than a day to write, and after that, how much fun is it? ;)
[23:05:30] <Gman> rydis, spoil sport :)
[23:05:35] *** rodrickbrown has quit IRC
[23:07:13] *** Denis_123 has quit IRC
[23:12:41] *** DeniB0ran has joined #opensolaris
[23:13:11] <DeniB0ran>  Hello everybody !
[23:14:04] <tomww> hi
[23:14:05] <DeniB0ran> Hello everybody!
[23:15:49] *** DeniB0ran has quit IRC
[23:16:45] *** darkcmd has left #opensolaris
[23:18:43] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:19:01] *** deather has quit IRC
[23:19:15] *** deather_ is now known as deather
[23:20:27] *** darkcmd has joined #opensolaris
[23:24:12] <tomww> hmmm 2 hours for the non-movie-dvd to download ...
[23:24:50] <OnkelSchorsch_> b53?
[23:25:38] <tomww> what else? :-))
[23:25:54] <OnkelSchorsch_> hm. maybe ...
[23:25:57] <OnkelSchorsch_> something else
[23:26:07] <tomww> not in this channel :)
[23:28:20] *** sahafeez has quit IRC
[23:31:21] *** yoonix has quit IRC
[23:32:23] <myrkraverk> gaaah! where is the velvet blue java background? it was in the linux JDS
[23:32:56] <myrkraverk> (I actually have the cds, or images, around still, but it's a bit of an effort, for just a background)
[23:33:44] <alanc> it was in older Solaris JDS too
[23:34:04] <alanc> I'm using it on my s10 sparc box right now
[23:34:16] <myrkraverk> alanc: so, erm, should I file a regression bug on it? :P
[23:34:40] <Error_404> you don't like the new web2.0 backgrounds that ship with JDS?
[23:34:42] *** leal_ has joined #opensolaris
[23:34:51] <alanc> don't think changes in style/backdrops are considered a regression, but that's closer to Gman's area than mine
[23:34:57] <Error_404> mirrored floor + gradient = web 2.0
[23:35:21] <myrkraverk> Error_404: no, I don't - well, not most of them - velvet blue is nice though
[23:35:30] <alanc> it's not web2.0 until it displays an rss feed
[23:35:37] <myrkraverk> hahaha
[23:35:54] <tomww> and freezes it the feed stucks
[23:35:56] *** Dar is now known as Dar_HOME
[23:36:03] <alanc> like the starwars screensaver if you enable that - it will pull the blogs.sun.com rss feed and scroll it by while you're idle
[23:36:18] <leal_> hello, somebody knows if the SAN boot is dependent of the BIOS hardware. I mean, one qlogic 2200 should boot from SAN in any x86 hardware?
[23:36:19] <myrkraverk> alanc: so, erm, can I trouble you to put the bacground somewhere I can get it?
[23:36:46] <Gman> myrkraverk, different branding
[23:37:23] <alanc> though maybe I should change that to planet.opensolaris.org...hmm...
[23:37:29] <myrkraverk> Gman: but but but - it's a *nice* background - at least have the honesty to put in something that's just as nice then :P
[23:37:48] <Gman> myrkraverk, heh
[23:38:24] <alanc> don't ask me why it's there, but it seems to be already posted at http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/file_4gallery/7/0/6/4/2/sun-velvet.png
[23:38:38] <alanc> the wonders of google image search
[23:38:43] <hell`> anyone here have any experience with solaris 10 routeadm or getting 2 machines to talk on a separate subnet
[23:39:00] <myrkraverk> alanc: thanks ;)
[23:39:15] <Gman> that looks a bit different
[23:39:26] <tomww> leal_: have a look at the machines bios, this one has to decide, which cards/hardware is bootable from
[23:39:46] <alanc> http://www.fedoraforum.org/gallery/file_4gallery/7/0/6/4/2/sun-velvet_original.png is the 1280x1024 version
[23:41:42] <richlowe> mornin' Gman.
[23:42:23] <richlowe> twincest: if your hunt for sucky error messages didn't reach priocntl, there's stuff there for you too.
[23:42:40] <richlowe> "<thingy> not found" even would be preferable to a raw errno :)
[23:42:54] <alanc> http://fedoraforum.org/gallery/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=70642 has several of the other old JDS backdrops too
[23:43:34] <myrkraverk> alanc: ok ;)
[23:43:38] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris
[23:44:07] * tomww like backgrounds like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sct3/135116313/
[23:44:29] <alanc> I should probably report them to the Sun trademark police, but then I'd have to find out how to contact them...
[23:45:16] <alanc> besides, it's so dead here now that I hardly feel the energy to do much - even the janitors have already made their nightly rounds so they can go home early
[23:45:21] <leal_> tomww: Thanks, so... the boot from san depends of machines bios... i do not see any options on a dell poweredge 8500.
[23:45:26] *** slowhog has quit IRC
[23:45:34] <richlowe> alanc: perfect time to add setxkbmap ;)
[23:45:39] <richlowe> or, you know, get home early.
[23:46:07] <alanc> I've got mkfontscale almost ready to go in with Xorg 7.2, isn't that enough modernization?
[23:46:17] *** ericr has joined #opensolaris
[23:46:21] <leal_> I did install a solaris nv b50 on simmetrix, and know i can't boot. Do you know a howto to make a solaris bootable CDROM?
[23:46:49] <myrkraverk> alanc: please, try to make setxkbmap part of it too ;)
[23:47:16] <alanc> kinda had to do mkfontscale though for the 7.2 builds to work...
[23:47:56] <alanc> setxkbmap is on the list, somewhere after Xorg server 7.2 is done
[23:48:05] <myrkraverk> ok
[23:48:25] <alanc> nv_53 install 93% done...
[23:50:15] * boyd grumbles about alanc's gloating
[23:50:41] <tomww> i have 27% downloaded and he's nearly done...
[23:50:44] <alanc> of course then I need to reinstall everything else since I did a fresh install...that'll eat the rest of the afternoon
[23:50:59] <tomww> fine. :-)
[23:51:12] <boyd> alanc: Live upgrade, baby
[23:51:26] <alanc> normally I would - this time I couldn't
[23:52:22] <alanc> I'd originally split my laptop into three paritions, XP, Solaris 10, and JDS/Linux - the Solaris 10 partition didn't have enough room to upgrade to nevada so I had to re-fdisk and give Solaris the space Linux used to take up, which meant fresh install
[23:53:05] <alanc> did make two root partitions though so I can LU next time
[23:53:43] <tomww> ah, i hat this: extended part with 40gb fat. reused for solaris: delete fat, change last cylinder,
[23:53:56] <tomww> made ne primary, moved bitwise. boot okay
[23:54:18] <tomww> then erased the old primary and extended the fdsik for the new first.
[23:54:48] <tomww> solaris was so nice to mee to recognize this and i gained new cylinders for the old installation
[23:55:22] <hell`> if you manually set a nic's mac address and its assigned wrong, will it still ifconfig up and ping?
[23:57:14] <tomww> hell` the only wrong mac address is one which is already on your broadcast-domain of the mac layer
[23:57:34] <hell`> ah
[23:57:55] <Gman> hi richlowe
[23:57:56] <tomww> except to 00:00:00:00:00:00 anf FF... you can set it to what you like. Okay, not standrd but works
[23:58:12] <hell`> i've never messed with manually setting a nic so im not sure.  i've got these 2 machines that won't talk to each other at all on a separate network
[23:58:17] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris
[23:58:18] <hell`> connected crossover
[23:58:23] *** fik has joined #opensolaris
[23:58:26] <hell`> they both ping their local IP fine
[23:58:39] <hell`> i've tried everything
[23:59:22] <darkcmd> tomww, what is bitwise?
[23:59:49] *** mlh_ has quit IRC
[23:59:51] <tomww> :-) darkcmd: in real its blockwise (what gnu parted does)





top