November 20, 2006 
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November 20, 2006 [00:00:38] *** _mazon has joined #opensolaris [00:01:55] *** _mazon has quit IRC [00:02:59] *** dunc has quit IRC [00:03:41] <Axposf> Will Nevada Release implement Gnome 2.16.x? nvs_53? [00:04:04] <Gman> yes [00:04:09] <Gman> the bits have gone back [00:04:31] <Axposf> ah thank Gman [00:04:33] <Axposf> :) [00:07:12] <razrX> and not just Gnome 2.16 but also the nVidia accelerated drivers as part of the Solaris OS install (I'm quoting alanc's words in his reply to the 'decent pdf viewer for x86' thread on the solarisx86 yahoogroups mailinglist) [00:09:19] <alanc> yes [00:10:26] <razrX> so if nVidia releases updated drivers, how soon do you expect them to be part of the latest Nevada build alanc ? [00:11:02] <razrX> a bit early for those kind of questions? [00:11:14] <alanc> should take 2-4 weeks from when we get them until the build containing them is made - another 1-2 before that goes out as SX:CR [00:11:39] <razrX> kk, sounds promising :) [00:13:51] <Tpent1> god to hear abt 2,16 glynn [00:14:18] <Tpent1> good to hear about 2.16 even [00:21:37] *** jmcp has quit IRC [00:22:23] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [00:25:10] <_william_> gn [00:25:11] *** _william_ has left #opensolaris [00:29:34] *** ericr_ has quit IRC [00:32:43] *** fik has quit IRC [00:41:49] <Axposf> bye all,see you tomorrow :-) [00:42:01] <Axposf> (good night) [00:42:26] *** Axposf has left #opensolaris [00:45:42] *** udos has joined #opensolaris [00:47:56] *** ofu_ has joined #opensolaris [00:49:08] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [00:49:26] *** r3boot_ has joined #opensolaris [00:50:54] *** ofu has quit IRC [00:51:47] *** r3boot has quit IRC [00:55:53] *** Darwin has joined #opensolaris [01:03:48] *** pikapika has quit IRC [01:05:44] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [01:13:14] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [01:14:33] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [01:16:20] *** r3boot_ is now known as r3boot [01:18:43] *** gm152 has quit IRC [01:25:37] <gisburn> Ok... [01:26:27] <gisburn> ... I am white, like snow, some saw me in the high mountains but noone could proove it. What am I ? [01:26:43] <Stric> on drugs? [01:26:58] <Triskelios> gisburn: a yeti? [01:27:02] <gisburn> Stric: uhm... [01:27:06] <gisburn> Stric: ... no. [01:27:07] <tomww> a runnaway xp-admin ? [01:27:08] <Triskelios> that's a pretty lame riddle if that's the answer [01:27:09] <gisburn> Triskelios: yes [01:27:30] <Triskelios> it's more like a trivia question than a riddle [01:27:36] <Triskelios> but it's worded like a riddle [01:27:51] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [01:27:51] <gisburn> umpf [01:27:58] * gisburn tries a better one [01:28:12] <gisburn> I guess the "mountain" made it far to easy. [01:28:20] <g4lt-mordant> let's see, coca is grown high in the andes, so it would be coke? ;P [01:28:33] <dwc-> is this another as-seen-on-<name of television series> trivia question? [01:29:54] <gisburn> dwc-: no [01:33:14] <gisburn> Ok... [01:33:45] <gisburn> ... I have no color except black and white, my shape is blurry when I roam my lake. What am I ? [01:35:15] <jamesd_> a cg2 ? [01:35:22] <jamesd_> ;-p [01:35:53] <gisburn> jamesd_: no. Not unless you throw the machines into a lake. [01:36:06] <dwc-> shhh!, don't tell the EPA [01:36:47] <gisburn> The description is like one of the famous turner pictures where the landscape is pained as seen inside the train... blurry... colorless. [01:37:22] <gisburn> most photos of it are like that. [01:38:05] <g4lt-mordant> a sailboar full of drunks? [01:38:13] <gisburn> no. [01:39:07] <gisburn> hint: it's an animal [01:40:30] <gisburn> and most of the pictures taken are b&w and/or blurry [01:40:46] <Stric> loch ness [01:40:55] <gisburn> uhm [01:40:58] <gisburn> no [01:41:03] <gisburn> =:-) [01:41:20] <gisburn> 2nd word has four letters right [01:41:31] <Stric> nessy [01:41:37] <gisburn> yep [01:42:10] <Stric> "it's an animal", and I say lock ness.. it's quite obvious I mean the loch ness monster.. [01:42:37] <g4lt-mordant> loch ness is the lake ;P [01:42:41] <gisburn> Stric: your turn... [01:42:43] <Stric> I know [01:43:12] <Stric> what is slightly shorter than 2 meters and is about to head for bed? [01:43:47] <gisburn> Stric: you ? [01:43:54] <Stric> correct, sir :) [01:44:17] * gisburn already sits in his bed and abuses his laptop [01:46:43] <dlg> thats disgusting [01:46:43] <g4lt-mordant> dude, we SO did not need to know that.... [01:47:01] <gisburn> dlg: what ? [01:47:20] <gisburn> dlg: The laptop is normally for development work and not for chatting :-) [01:47:40] <gisburn> dlg: and I can't sleep until my GF finishes learning anyway. [01:48:07] *** miffe has quit IRC [01:48:12] <gisburn> and my build machine is still doing it's cycles. [01:49:50] <gisburn> g4lt-mordant: did you see insomnia's comment in #solaris 's /topic yet ? [01:54:09] *** gm152 has quit IRC [01:54:38] <dlg> gisburn: i cant develop without chat [01:55:00] <gisburn> dlg: depends on the project. [01:55:31] <dlg> when its my first time writing a solaris driver, i need irc [01:55:46] * OnkelSchorsch wants to develop some tentacles so that I look even more like cthulhu [01:56:13] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [01:56:22] * gisburn sends his komodo dragons after OnkelSchorsch to kill&swallow him and his half-grown slimy tentacles. [01:56:52] * OnkelSchorsch eats the komodo dragon first. [01:56:59] <gisburn> grrrr [01:57:02] <OnkelSchorsch> no calamaris for you today komodo dragon [01:57:04] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: dragonMURDER! [01:57:06] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: dragonMURDER! [01:57:12] <gisburn> xx@@@@!!!! [01:57:23] * gisburn growls... [01:57:28] <OnkelSchorsch> murder? eater. I'm hungry. need some proteins [01:57:29] <g4lt-mordant> but did he make dragon sausage? ;P [01:57:48] <OnkelSchorsch> hehe. sounds spicy [01:57:55] * gisburn fires a DavyCrockett nuke at OnkelSchorsch [01:58:00] *** simford has joined #OpenSolaris [01:58:07] * gisburn watches him die in the nuclear fire [01:58:47] * OnkelSchorsch turns the AC up. [01:58:56] <gisburn> AC=? [01:58:59] <OnkelSchorsch> if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen [01:59:04] <OnkelSchorsch> air conditioning [01:59:10] <OnkelSchorsch> or something like that [01:59:13] <gisburn> heh [02:02:25] *** cecko has quit IRC [02:06:52] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:07:52] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: I suggest we eat jmcp [02:08:05] <gisburn> jmcp: how much do yo wheight ? [02:08:12] *** ohsone has joined #opensolaris [02:08:45] <OnkelSchorsch> hehe. nice and crispy jmcp [02:08:58] *** jlc has joined #opensolaris [02:09:22] <jlc> hello hello [02:10:05] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: assuming he wheights the average 85k it would result into ~~40-45kg useable meat after stripping skin, fat, bones and inner organs. Cooking may cause wheight loss... [02:10:22] * gisburn looks for a good receipt [02:11:34] <OnkelSchorsch> what? you want to waste all the innards? they are the most nutricious part of the body [02:11:44] <OnkelSchorsch> and from the bones we can cook a good soup [02:11:51] <Darwin> hmmm... I need a .wma to <anything supported by either xmms, mplayer, real1player or vlc> ... or a pre-compiled avi-xmms plugin for solaris 10 sun4u ... or another tool which is available in packages and supports .wma ... is anyone able to help?? [02:12:22] <jmcp> morning all [02:12:37] <jmcp> gisburn: I don't think I would be good eating [02:12:40] <dlg> ola jmcp [02:12:42] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: http://homecooking.about.com/od/beefrecipes/r/blbeef171.htm [02:13:05] <Darwin> .. converter before "... or" [02:13:20] <jmcp> hola dlg [02:17:47] *** jmcp has quit IRC [02:20:22] *** BigBadHoss has quit IRC [02:22:40] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [02:23:22] <jlc> anyone point me to docs on using brandz and the centos tarball? [02:24:29] <Tpent1> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/install/ [02:24:57] <Tpent1> Three clicks from opensolaris.org [02:25:19] <jlc> doh [02:25:32] <jlc> i was reading that right now, but didn't get all the way down on it [02:25:33] <jlc> :) [02:26:00] <jlc> i thought maybe the centos.bz2 had a doc some were else, didn't know it was all together, sorry [02:26:41] <Tpent1> :) [02:27:34] *** rachel has joined #opensolaris [02:28:40] <OnkelSchorsch> gisburn, sounds good to me. got all the ingredients except the shrimps ready [02:30:02] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: what did you use instead of jmcp ? [02:30:14] * gisburn looks at Tpent1 ... [02:30:25] <gisburn> Tpent1: how much do you wheight ? [02:30:37] <Tpent1> :) [02:32:06] <jlc> using lx branded zone with centos will give me the ability to run websphere under centos right? [02:33:22] <gisburn> Tpent1: the problem may be to get you alive to OnkelSchorsch .... breaking your neck now and then shipping the carcass may require compliciated coolling... [02:34:13] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [02:34:18] *** Tpent1 is now known as Tpenta [02:34:21] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: I suggest to use the shrimps instead. First we need an ARC draft how we want to ship Tpent1 to your location. [02:34:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [02:34:58] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: and I guess it needs an extended discussion about the receipt and cooking prodecure. [02:38:12] <OnkelSchorsch> well, at the end all that matters is, that we get some nice and tender aussie meat :) [02:38:22] <gisburn> yep [02:38:41] <gisburn> based on australian bushmeat [02:40:12] <eugene> hi jmcp [02:41:56] <boyd> Hmm... optimus keyboard pre-orders on Dec 12. Shame that they seem to have compromised on the OLED, made up their own layout, and ditched all the extra function keys. [02:42:07] <jmcp> hi eugene [02:42:14] <eugene> jmcp: how long will you be in beijing? [02:42:20] <jmcp> until 1 december [02:42:40] <eugene> jmcp: awww. then i guess we meet up in january then. i will be in beijing during the xmas week :) [02:42:41] <jlc> zoneadm list -ivc [02:42:42] <jlc> ID NAME STATUS PATH BRAND [02:42:42] <jlc> 0 global running / native [02:42:42] <jlc> 1 centos3_1 running /zones/centos3_1 lx [02:42:47] <jlc> YEAH! [02:42:56] <eugene> jmcp: let me know when the first snow falls in beijing ok :) [02:43:24] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [02:43:44] <jlc> hello laca [02:43:50] <jmcp> eugene: sure [02:43:55] <jmcp> it was really foggy this morning [02:44:12] <laca> hi jlc [02:44:21] <laca> how's it going? [02:44:26] <eugene> jmcp: actually, i thought it should snow a bit soon. i think you will miss the first snow by a few days. go extend your stay in beijing :) [02:44:39] <jlc> good, just been busy at work so haven't been jds testing in awhile [02:45:11] <jlc> trying to get back though, switch positions at work so now I only go on call once a month, maybe every 2 months soon :) [02:45:58] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [02:46:29] <jlc> been testing pcplusmp for Seth Goldberg for along time and it works now and he said it should make it into 54 so that will be cool [02:46:53] <jlc> no my mobo wont flood my cpu with interrupts on install or LU [02:46:58] <jlc> hows things going with you [02:47:39] <jlc> ugggh! I cut my middle right hand finger Fri and got 8 stiches, makes typing rather hard.... [02:47:48] *** Risky has quit IRC [02:52:20] * jmcp wanders off to a meeting [02:53:29] <laca> jlc: ouch! [02:53:48] *** eugene has left #opensolaris [02:54:03] <jlc> learning to type with out my middle finger is slowing me down :) [02:54:45] <laca> yeah, i know, sometimes i'm typing with a baby in one hand, that makes typing even slower (: [02:55:05] <jlc> lol [02:55:14] <jlc> done that with my niece too [02:55:28] <jlc> new born? [02:55:44] <laca> almost 6 months [02:55:54] <jlc> cool, congrats [02:59:44] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [03:00:38] <Plaidrab> Closest I get to that is a 65 pound Blackmouth cur who can't understand why she can't be a lap dog in a desk chair. [03:03:06] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [03:03:59] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [03:04:08] <dclarke> hello [03:04:30] <jlc> howdy [03:04:46] <dclarke> whats up [03:04:56] <jlc> playing with brandz [03:04:58] <jlc> you [03:05:17] <dclarke> doing Blastwave admin [03:05:23] <jamesd_> hi dclarke [03:05:24] <dclarke> it never ends anymore [03:05:30] <jlc> :) [03:05:35] <dclarke> also .. working on the Blastwave USB key [03:05:48] <jlc> good for me, bad for you :P [03:06:21] <dclarke> well .. in the end everyone wins [03:06:26] <dclarke> its a good thing I think [03:06:41] <jlc> aye [03:06:49] <dclarke> I'm really close to rolling out the 2006 - 2007 fund raiser [03:07:06] <dclarke> let's call it the Blastwave Beg-a-thon [03:07:08] <jlc> cool [03:07:11] <dclarke> operators are waiting [03:07:14] <dclarke> ha ha [03:07:18] <jlc> lol [03:07:28] <dclarke> I need someone to review a document I wrote [03:07:44] <jlc> um <-- horrible at english [03:07:50] <dclarke> I tend to write really long stories and this one .. it needed a full story [03:08:01] <jlc> wife says I suck and just stick to computer/tech stuff [03:08:02] <dclarke> well ... I know that Jamesd is just as bad [03:08:11] <dclarke> I read the blog all the time [03:08:18] <dclarke> as does everyone else I think :-) [03:08:22] <jlc> ;) [03:08:39] <dclarke> my english is okay .. not entirely illiterate [03:09:18] <jlc> I grew up in the country, I have an excuse [03:09:24] * jamesd_ can not read his own writing, i always remember what i meant to say and now what i actually typed. [03:09:35] <dclarke> I never grew up [03:09:49] <dclarke> jamesd_: I can relate to that ! [03:10:18] <jlc> me too [03:10:47] <Plaidrab> Okay, I think I'm running into a gcc vs SunCC thing. What does SunCC define for the OS version? I have a big ole block of ifdefs and it's looking for "SunOS" and skipping along. [03:10:54] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [03:11:06] <dclarke> Plaidrab: what ? [03:11:11] <jamesd_> but if you think my writing is bad.. my son's is a 1000 times as bad. [03:11:45] <dclarke> jamesd_: a thousand times worse is what you intended there .. probably. Point made [03:12:14] <jlc> lol [03:12:23] <jamesd_> yeah i saw that after i finished typing the line, but i figured everyone understood, no real reason to fix. [03:12:41] <jlc> I thought it meant 8x worst [03:12:47] <dclarke> sorry .. I have been writing something for nearly six hours [03:12:56] <dclarke> I'm stuck in grammer mode [03:13:03] <jamesd_> np [03:13:41] <jlc> first to get 8x wins some magic ferry dust... [03:13:50] <Plaidrab> What does SunCC set as the #define variable name for Solaris? gcc seems to be looking for SunOS but it's not triggering in my #ifdef [03:14:01] <dlg> if i totally screw /etc/driver_aliases and related files, is there a way i can rebuild them? [03:14:19] <Plaidrab> you might try a boot -r, but I don't think that will do it [03:14:28] <Plaidrab> well, wait. SPARC? :) [03:14:30] <jlc> mv /etc/driver_aliases.bak /etc/driver_aliases [03:14:50] <dclarke> Plaidrab: the defines that you seek are all in the Studio docs [03:14:51] <dlg> jlc: thats way too clever [03:14:52] <laca> Plaidrab: #if defined(sun) && defined(__SVR4) works with both gcc and Sun Studio [03:14:58] <jlc> ;) [03:15:00] <dclarke> Plaidrab: what compiler are you using ? [03:15:01] <jlc> sorry [03:15:06] <dlg> Plaidrab: amd64 [03:15:19] <twincest> Plaidrab: __sun__ && __svr4__ [03:15:24] <Plaidrab> I'm using cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121015-02 2006/03/29 [03:15:38] <dclarke> Plaidrab: one sec [03:15:41] <mlh> It's documented ... somewhere [03:15:48] <twincest> it's documented in 'man cc' [03:15:53] <Plaidrab> Honestly, I don't think anyone's tried building this code on Solaris since I last did it in around 2001 on gcc 2.96. :) [03:16:02] <Plaidrab> Is it? [03:16:07] * mlh would never have thought of looking there :-) [03:16:10] <Plaidrab> I better fix my manpath. :) [03:16:19] <dclarke> # /opt/studio/SOS11/SUNWspro/bin/cc -V [03:16:20] <dclarke> cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121015-02 2006/03/29 [03:16:20] <dclarke> usage: cc [ options] files. Use 'cc -flags' for details [03:16:23] <twincest> yes. search for __sun [03:16:28] <dclarke> okay .. let me check a few things here [03:17:06] <Plaidrab> __sun or __sun__ ? [03:17:10] <dclarke> I know that there is a brilliant doc set at docs.sun.com [03:17:15] <twincest> __sun. apparently i misremembered :) [03:17:19] <dclarke> the defines are ALL listed there [03:17:22] <twincest> __sun && __SVR4 uniquely identifies Solaris [03:17:46] <dlg> something like echo | cpp -dE might help find the symbols [03:17:48] <dclarke> there are other defines also .. depending on your use of -Xa or -Xc etc etc [03:17:58] <Plaidrab> Can you do an #ifdef that way? #ifdef __sun && __SVR4 ? [03:18:07] <twincest> #if defined(__sun) && defined(__SVR4) [03:18:56] <Plaidrab> Danke. [03:19:43] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [03:21:26] <Plaidrab> Seems to be exactly what we needed. [03:21:45] <dclarke> brb [03:21:49] <Plaidrab> Does that need to be any different for the "intel" builds? [03:22:01] <twincest> no [03:23:34] *** cecko_ has joined #opensolaris [03:23:35] <Plaidrab> Even better [03:27:58] <Plaidrab> Bugger. Did not work. [03:28:18] <dlg> anyone here know how ot use mdb against kernel dumps? [03:30:48] <Plaidrab> oho. Silly me. SVR4 not svr4 [03:53:23] <Error_404> *yawn* [03:53:27] <Error_404> evening all [03:55:27] <Plaidrab> Howdy Howdy, I'm a cowboy! [03:55:37] <Plaidrab> That joke probably doesn't translate [03:55:48] <Error_404> american bluejeans, #1 :D [03:56:23] <Plaidrab> Actually, it's a Farside strip [03:56:36] <Plaidrab> Well, Panel. Farside really didn't do strips [03:57:43] <Error_404> oh, i thought it was a "mocking american stereotype" joke [03:58:26] <Error_404> picturing a japanese guy making fun of americans... "howdy cowboy, yankee bluejeans #1!" [03:59:51] <jbk_> well if you were going to do stereotypes, shouldn't it be bruejeans? [04:00:07] <Plaidrab> Nah. it's a single panel strip of two buzzards over the skeleton of a cowboy. One puts on the hat "Howdy, howdy, I'm a cowboy!" [04:00:56] *** BigBadHoss has joined #opensolaris [04:04:49] <Gman> OpenSolaris Weekly News #38 - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-November/021828.html [04:04:56] <Jiko_> yay, approval to buy Solaris Internals and Solaris Performance and Tools [04:08:43] <Plaidrab> :) [04:10:10] *** Jiko_ is now known as Jiko [04:10:32] <dlg> jiko! [04:12:43] <Jiko> howdy [04:13:16] <jamesd_> Jiko, http://astore.amazon.com/jamesdsworld-20 .. you can buy the books from unix admin corner store... [04:13:55] <Plaidrab> Hmm. Weird linkage. [04:14:16] <Error_404> yeah, but then you'd be getting ripped off ;) [04:15:24] *** Teknix has quit IRC [04:15:41] <jmcp> Jiko: neat! I found shipping from the prentice hall site to be muchmuch faster than for amazon [04:16:49] <Plaidrab> I had a little difficultly linking in some freetype libs. GOnna try another pass and see if something's just set wrong [04:17:44] *** pds has joined #opensolaris [04:17:59] *** pds is now known as Teknix [04:20:20] *** sparc-kly_ has quit IRC [04:28:51] *** halton has joined #opensolaris [04:32:53] *** eboutilier has left #opensolaris [04:34:29] *** laca has quit IRC [04:34:50] *** linma has quit IRC [04:40:21] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [04:45:22] <jlc> anyone familiar with brandz? [04:47:54] <sahafeez> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=59147+0+archive/2006/freebsd-fs/20061119.freebsd-fs [04:48:15] <sahafeez> yes! i have an openbsd firewall/fileserver that will be moved to this when stable ! [04:53:52] *** jimgris has joined #opensolaris [04:54:10] <Gman> hey jim [04:54:17] <jimgris> hey [04:54:22] <jamesd_> hi jim [04:54:42] *** axisys has quit IRC [04:54:52] <jimgris> hey hames [04:54:54] <jimgris> james [04:55:03] <jlc> this sucks [04:55:14] <jlc> I was hoping to use brandz with centos + websphere [04:55:21] <jlc> and i keep geting segfaults with java [04:55:42] <dlg> but its gpl now! it should work perfectly! [04:56:00] * sahafeez ROTFLMAO [04:56:31] <jamesd_> dlg good one. [04:56:47] <jimgris> hey, gman, how's the blog agg coming? [04:57:15] <jlc> anyone try centos 4.x on brandz? [04:57:29] <Gman> jimgris, ok, seems to be holding up at least [04:57:40] <Gman> jimgris, just need to add a few more people with good quality opensolaris based feeds [04:57:57] <jlc> oh I have good quality.... :) [04:58:09] <jimgris> you should just take my opensolars feeds ... since i blog a lot about oither stuff too [04:58:20] <dlg> hrm, i just got mfi going with interrupts [04:58:23] <Gman> jimgris, i'm sure it's violating trademark, and copyright ;) [04:58:28] <Gman> jimgris, i can do [04:58:35] <jimgris> it's up to you [04:58:58] <Gman> though it's quite nice to allow people to see more than just opensolaris [04:59:15] <Gman> i've been trying to limit to people who are actually actively involved [04:59:23] <Gman> rather than just replying on lists [04:59:28] <jamesd_> i need ideas for opensolaris projects. [04:59:34] <jamesd_> to blog about [04:59:35] <jimgris> i see [04:59:56] <Plaidrab> Sunrays never get enough luv [04:59:57] <Gman> jimgris, how's the opensolaris dev conf? :) [05:00:12] <jimgris> gman, what conf? [05:00:14] <dlg> jamesd_: innacuracies in wdd [05:00:23] *** gm152 has quit IRC [05:00:33] <Gman> jimgris, http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/osdevcon2007/cfp.html [05:00:54] <jamesd_> dlg just one question wth is wdd? [05:01:02] <dlg> writing device drivers [05:01:25] <jamesd_> oh just something way over my head.. i have never written a device driver. [05:01:41] <Gman> ugh, i need to go, bbl [05:01:43] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [05:01:53] <dlg> jamesd_: boo [05:02:24] <jamesd_> sorry.. i prefer software to hardware [05:02:25] <jimgris> gman, oh, in germany. ok. don't know. no one has asked me to get involved. i hope it's going well. [05:03:10] <dlg> dlg@vavaea mfi$ zpool list [05:03:11] <dlg> NAME SIZE USED AVAIL CAP HEALTH ALTROOT [05:03:11] <dlg> perc 5.44T 1.82G 5.44T 0% ONLINE - [05:03:30] <dlg> dlg@vavaea mfi$ zpool status [05:03:31] <dlg> pool: perc [05:03:31] <dlg> state: ONLINE [05:03:31] <dlg> scrub: none requested [05:03:31] <dlg> config: [05:03:32] <dlg> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM [05:03:35] <dlg> perc ONLINE 0 0 0 [05:03:38] <dlg> c3t0d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 [05:03:41] <dlg> errors: No known data errors [05:03:44] <dlg> :D :D [05:03:45] * dlg happy now [05:04:22] <jamesd_> where did you get the 5TB drive? [05:04:27] <dlg> dell [05:06:34] <Plaidrab> What version of libfreetype is in b51? [05:07:34] <jlc> night all [05:07:44] *** jlc has quit IRC [05:08:38] <Error_404> you made a zpool with an array? [05:08:58] <dlg> its a dell md1000 hooked up to a lsi megaraid sas hba [05:09:05] <dlg> so 15 disks in a raid 50 [05:09:18] <dlg> the operating system only sees one 5TB disk [05:09:44] <dlg> so... [05:09:49] <dlg> how do i benchmark disks in solaris? [05:10:23] <jamesd_> bonnie++ iomark(IIRC) ... dd and monitoring iostat is the way i get rough estimate [05:10:52] <dlg> where do i get those from? [05:12:51] *** hile is now known as hile_ [05:17:11] <Error_404> why didn't you just jbod the thing & give zfs individual drives? [05:17:15] <Plaidrab> Hmm. I have 5 linker errors agains freetype. [05:17:39] <Error_404> so that it could control write patterns & make it more efficient [05:18:28] <dlg> Error_404: i had a normal sas hba hooked up to it [05:18:33] <dlg> but the disks freaked out too much [05:18:36] <dlg> it was unusable [05:18:46] <dlg> with the megaraid in between it behaves a lot better [05:20:12] <dlg> io is comparable, even without optimising my driver [05:20:35] <dlg> cpu usage is way lower though [05:21:31] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [05:32:55] <boyd> Doc: ping [05:37:26] *** asyd has quit IRC [05:40:04] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [06:03:49] *** ferrox has left #opensolaris [06:04:29] *** gongoputch has quit IRC [06:04:36] *** deedaw has quit IRC [06:12:51] *** SymmHome has quit IRC [06:20:29] *** gisburn has quit IRC [06:28:33] <dclarke> hello [06:31:46] <jmcp> hi dclarke [06:33:12] *** BigBadHoss has quit IRC [06:34:16] <dclarke> hello [06:34:27] <dclarke> I fired off the Blastwave Call for Donations for 2007 [06:34:32] <dclarke> its on the home page [06:34:40] <dclarke> I guess I should say 2007 there [06:34:47] <dclarke> damn .. missed that detail [06:37:27] * dclarke reads jamesd's blog [06:41:53] <dclarke> does anyone here use Google analytics ? [06:42:39] <jamesd_> i do [06:43:01] <dclarke> I have 5143 visits in the past week [06:43:04] <jamesd_> its decent i wish it was more real time [06:43:07] <dclarke> it that good bad or ugly ? [06:43:19] <dclarke> its can;t be right [06:43:32] <dclarke> then again .. I don't have that script crud on every page [06:43:59] <jamesd_> i have 2408 visits and 3773 page views this week for my blog. [06:44:46] <dclarke> those are big numbers [06:45:12] <dclarke> then again .. you are poking a real stick at the Red Hat people and what you say is scary [06:45:22] <dclarke> I don't see anything wrong with that ! [06:45:25] <dclarke> :-) [06:46:08] <jamesd_> including 433 visits and 770 page views for a stupid filler blog entry i never would of thought would of had any effect and its now about a year old and accounts for 15% of my blog traffic still [06:46:35] <dclarke> ha .. yeah .. I have a few pages linked from sun.com like that [06:46:37] <jamesd_> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/04/boeing-797-details.html [06:46:48] <dclarke> thats just .. weird [06:48:28] <jamesd_> of course i have taken advantage of it and added more links at the end to the rest of my site, and added more ads to it. [06:50:28] <boyd> Must be starting to get cold over there now, Dennis. [06:51:36] <dclarke> chilly .. [06:51:38] <dclarke> yep [06:52:35] <boyd> It's been all screwed up here. A week ago there was snow in the outer suburbs.. today it's 36 degrees (C) [06:53:10] <dclarke> that sort of weather messes up the polar bears [06:53:15] <dclarke> makes them cranky [06:53:26] <boyd> Hehe... Yeah, I think they all left :) [06:55:41] <jimgris> hey, dennis [06:55:45] <Cyl> Swap partition, do people still make them? [06:55:50] <dclarke> Sir Jim ! [06:55:54] <dclarke> hello ! [06:55:55] <boyd> Cyl: Yes [06:56:08] <dclarke> never see you here ... not in over two years [06:56:12] <jimgris> I'm getting settled here in Japan [06:56:13] <Cyl> boyd: how big? [06:56:29] <dclarke> jimgris : How are things there ? Big culture shock for you ? [06:56:51] <Cyl> rellings on opensolaris community forums says it's a waste to use a swap partion and that you should just use a swap file [06:56:54] <boyd> Cyl: There is no single correct answer to that. Depends on your workload, amount of RAM, etc. Common answers are == physical RAM and 2*RAM [06:57:10] <Cyl> so I'm confused here :D [06:57:11] <dclarke> jimgris: whats the population like? I mean are you the only big white man in sight for miles or am I sadly misinformed as usual ? :-) [06:57:35] <jimgris> dennis, yes, *massive* culture shock [06:57:36] <boyd> Cyl: He may be right but I don' t thinl you'd get a crash dump that way [06:57:36] <jimgris> :) [06:57:37] <jimgris> no quesiton [06:58:07] <dclarke> jimgris : I would imagine that its like a trip to the moon at the very least [06:58:27] <dclarke> jimgris : also ... and I simply *have* to do this [06:58:44] <dclarke> jimgris : I fully expect that you will note the homepage at Blastwave .. and blog it [06:58:56] <Cyl> boyd: ah, I see for the crash dump then should I have the full physical ram as the swap partition? [06:58:59] <jimgris> dennis, yes, the moon. :) But things are going well. I'm very much in the minority, but I knew that coming in [06:59:04] <dclarke> jimgris : its the big push for 2007 funding :-) [06:59:22] <boyd> Cyl: To be safe, yes... you can normally get by with less but to be sure... [06:59:37] <dclarke> jimgris : hopefully you have a good comfortable pile of relatives helpign you along [06:59:42] <jimgris> dennis, I will say this though: Asia will change the landscape for OpenSolaris. It's just not all online yet [06:59:55] <Cyl> hehe, it's funny how I have 32GB of ram and 74gb hds.... so it is a big chunk of space [07:00:00] <dclarke> jimgris: I was working on a translator for the Blastwave site [07:00:10] <jimgris> dennis, yes I have help, but at times it's a bit lonely, to be honest (and yes I saw your site ... :)) [07:00:13] <dclarke> jimgris: I have a pile of traffic from there [07:00:32] <dclarke> jimgris: thanks [07:00:35] <jimgris> dennis: redally [07:00:40] <jimgris> from wwhere? [07:00:43] <jimgris> what country [07:00:48] <dclarke> jimgris: I need to get big 5 Chinese going as well as traditional [07:01:01] <dclarke> jimgris: just a sec .. I'll get you data [07:01:08] <rydis> Cyl: Well, it depends on the workload, really. If you have oodles of users doing random stuff, occasionally almost filling the memory, you need swap badly. If you only do high-performance computations, you never want to hit swap, anyway. [07:01:12] <boyd> Cyl: That's an odd balance [07:01:27] <jimgris> dennis: well we are going to build portals to opensolaris.org so that will help [07:01:49] <jimgris> dennis: the fastest growing countries are Korea and China [07:01:50] <dclarke> jimgris: I was just looking at Google analytics for my site also .. hey .. if you are in any way related to gettign adoption for Sol 10 going in Japan .. then I can help you with that [07:01:59] *** ferrox has joined #opensolaris [07:02:35] <jimgris> dennis: S10, OpenSolaris, sure [07:02:50] <Cyl> rydis/boyd: thanks for the advice guys I'll probably switch out to bigger drives and make a full 32gb partition for swap to be on the safe side, I'm guessing there'd probably be 60 or so users [07:03:37] <jimgris> dennis: the Japanese portal will probably be first to come online since they have already translated a lot of the site. [07:03:46] <dclarke> jimgris: I have a relatives ( 2 of them ) in Japan [07:03:54] <jimgris> dennis: oh, cool [07:03:56] <jimgris> where? [07:04:01] <dclarke> jimgris: I should drop one of them your email .. she can maybe drop you a line [07:04:24] *** djgregor has quit IRC [07:04:31] <dclarke> jimgris: she is an English teacher on Okinnawa ? nope .. hold on .. maybe I'm thinking .. [07:04:32] <jimgris> dennis: I'm in Yokohama [07:04:46] <jimgris> dennis: ok, well, that's far away :) [07:04:48] <dclarke> jimgris: its a small country [07:04:54] <Cyl> one more question, are there x64 ISOs of b51/52 anywhere or do I have to compile it myself? [07:04:59] <dclarke> jimgris: remember .. I'm in Canada [07:05:20] <jimgris> dennis: physically that may be true, but getting around is a bit different than the U.S. [07:05:32] <boyd> Cyl: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/ [07:06:00] <Cyl> boyd: I thought those only had 32bit binaries [07:06:12] <boyd> There is no separation in solaris [07:06:18] <boyd> It's one image [07:06:34] <Cyl> boyd: do I have to do something to have the x64 kernel install? [07:06:39] <boyd> You will see 32btit when you boot from the image but it'll install booth [07:06:42] <boyd> both [07:06:55] <boyd> It will then select whatever works for your hw on each boot [07:07:01] <dclarke> jimgris: what time is it there ? [07:07:09] <Cyl> boyd: it boots as 32bit but I have an opteron in the system [07:07:29] <boyd> Boots from CD? [07:07:33] <boyd> Or from disk [07:07:35] <boyd> ? [07:07:38] <jimgris> dennis: 3:08 pm [07:07:39] <Cyl> disk b51 [07:07:50] <dclarke> jimgris: geez .. 14 hours away [07:08:09] <boyd> Cyl: That's odd.. you normally have to ask it to do that.. [07:08:10] <dclarke> jimgris: I need to get some sleep .. but I will find out where my cousin is [07:08:14] <jimgris> dennis: this is the "land of the rising Sun" [07:08:19] <jimgris> cool [07:08:20] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [07:08:27] <jimgris> dennis: thanks! [07:08:32] <Cyl> boyd: I thought only the Solaris 10 06/06 iso had x64 binaries on it [07:08:47] <dclarke> jimgris : funny .. I was watching a great movie only a few days ago .. The Empire of the Sun [07:09:04] <boyd> Cyl: No. As I said there are no separate builds [07:09:11] <Cyl> SunOS chibit 5.11 snv_51 i86pc i386 i86pc [07:09:13] <dclarke> jimgris : about a boy left in a pow camp during the Japan - Chinese struggle leading into WWII [07:09:16] <boyd> so what does isainfo say [07:09:26] <Cyl> amd64 i386 [07:09:40] <jimgris> dennis: cool. I'll have to look it up. [07:09:45] <boyd> and isainfo -k ? [07:09:54] <Cyl> amd64 [07:09:54] <jimgris> dennis: I'm trying to get some of hte Japanese developers on IRC, too [07:10:05] <boyd> Cyl: There ya go then that's 64 bit kernel [07:10:14] <Cyl> boyd: I see I was expecting it to be in uname [07:10:17] <dclarke> jimgris : I figure I can at least have my cousin look you up .. another tall white person lost in Japan .. excepts she is fluent in Japanese [07:11:02] <jimgris> dennis: I'd love to talk to her. I'm taking language classes, so I hope to b e fluent some day too [07:11:07] <dclarke> jimgris: anyways .. have a look at the Blastwave home page .. click on the link at the left that says geo visitors [07:11:08] <jimgris> dennis: it's a fascinating language [07:11:30] <dclarke> jimgris : I'm currently tied up with Hebrew [07:11:53] <dclarke> jimgris: my wife is studying palitive care and gerontology and .. in her spare time .. Greek language [07:12:12] <dclarke> jimgris: between the two of us we should be able to translate the Bible ourselves [07:12:33] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [07:13:18] <Plaidrab> Into the original Klingon? [07:13:23] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [07:13:24] <jamesd_> jimgris, how did a construction worker end up working for sun? [07:13:36] <jimgris> dennis: wow. you are heavy in Europe and teh East Coast of the U.S. [07:13:50] <jimgris> james: oh, that was a loooong time ago :) [07:13:54] <dclarke> jimgris: over 1.3 million hits a month [07:13:54] <jimgris> I was 22 back then [07:14:10] <dclarke> jimgris: also .. some noise from China and Japan [07:14:33] <dclarke> jimgris: I know that growth will happen there .. not in North America [07:14:40] * Plaidrab reads backscroll. Wow. I haven't had much call for Japanese in a few years. Be interesting to see how rusty I am [07:14:41] <jimgris> dennis: I put you in my slides and alked about BW in China [07:15:00] <jmcp> dclarke: yeah, we need a blastwave mirror up here [07:15:02] <dclarke> jimgris: good man ! just let me know if you ever need anything ! [07:15:05] <jimgris> dennis: yes. I see the potential for amazing growth throughout Asia [07:15:10] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [07:15:29] <jimgris> james: oh, and "construction" is very, very similar to software program management, too [07:15:42] <Plaidrab> With more graft... buddabump! [07:16:01] <jimgris> james: only, you don't have weather problems. and union problems [07:16:08] <jimgris> dennis: thanks [07:16:15] <jamesd_> :-) [07:16:36] *** polk_ has quit IRC [07:18:24] *** neoxed_ has joined #OpenSolaris [07:18:25] <jimgris> dennis: humm. I wonder if I can put that scrip in my blog [07:18:58] <dclarke> jimgris: which script ? the geo counter ? yes [07:19:03] <jimgris> yah [07:19:18] <dclarke> jimgris: the trick is to embed the javascript correctly so as to not break standards [07:20:00] <jimgris> dennis: i'll try. though I think my blog is a mess standards-wise [07:20:23] <dclarke> jimgris: oh .. I'm a real bugger for checking W3C and CSS specs all the time [07:21:01] <dclarke> jimgris: this is why I know that I can setup a chinese and japanese version of my site .. I comply with standards that makes it a LOT easier [07:21:21] <jimgris> dennis: who will do the translations? [07:21:37] <dclarke> jimgris: I have relatives that are english teachers [07:21:49] <dclarke> jimgris : my cousins are fluent in Japanaese [07:21:53] <jimgris> dennis: both chinese *and* Japaense? [07:22:02] <dclarke> jimgris : Japanese only [07:22:24] <dclarke> jimgris: I need to ask one of my maintainers for Chinese but I have chinese friends here [07:22:35] <dclarke> jimgris: well ... Cantonese .. that may not be good enough [07:22:40] <jimgris> cool [07:22:57] <dclarke> jimgris: the trick will be to get the translation to look smooth to any one that is a native [07:23:10] <jimgris> dennis: indeed [07:23:13] <dclarke> jimgris: it can not look like an obvious hack [07:23:32] <dclarke> jimgris: so .. I'll start with Japanese because .. thats in the "family" [07:24:09] <jimgris> dennis: cool. currently Japan is #3 for traffice to opensolaris.org [07:24:28] <jimgris> dennis: china rising rapidly, though. [07:24:41] <dclarke> jimgris: for me its top five [07:25:06] <dclarke> jimgris: its a clear future looking need and we already did a great job with the release right ? Its time for a new challnge [07:25:19] <jimgris> dennis: in a few months, especially after we get the portals up I bet it will be: US, China, Japan, Germany .... [07:25:56] <jamesd_> hmm my english is so bad i don't have any china, but japan is #11 on my blog. [07:26:08] <jimgris> dennis: France is increasing, too. UK dropping a bit. [07:26:21] <jimgris> james: really? [07:26:26] <jamesd_> yeap [07:26:31] <dclarke> jimgris : I have tons from France [07:26:39] <dclarke> probably because we have a mirror there [07:26:41] <jimgris> dennis: yes, France is increasing lately as well [07:26:51] <jamesd_> 31 visitors from japan in the last week. [07:27:13] <jimgris> james: some are from me I'm sure :) [07:27:22] <dclarke> in any case .. this is all fascinating but its 01:26 AM here and I have to do a full week ahead of me yet [07:27:37] <dclarke> jimgris: good to hear ( read ) from you ! [07:27:45] <jimgris> dennis: nice to talk to you. :) soon ... [07:27:47] <dlg> anyone know what these macros mean? GETG4ADDR and GETG4ADDRTL [07:27:50] <jamesd_> only one from yokohama [07:27:58] <jimgris> that's me! [07:28:15] * dclarke thinks great tires .. yokohama .. had them on my vette [07:28:16] <jimgris> james: but sometimes I work in the Tokyo office [07:28:37] <jamesd_> okay.. i have 17 visits from tokyo [07:29:32] <jimgris> james: Sun Japan has many bloggers, so this may make sense. Also, when you factor for the size of the population, Japan is #1 in the worl for blogging [07:29:52] <jimgris> james: japanese language #2; English #1 obviously [07:29:57] <jimgris> interesting [07:30:11] <jamesd_> yeap... i have more readers from the rest of the world than i have from the u.s.a. [07:30:15] *** neoxed has quit IRC [07:31:06] <jamesd_> 42.4% u.s.a ... 57.6% the rest of the world. [07:31:44] <jimgris> yah, I think that's consistent with opensolaris.org, too, but that 57 percent is split up a million ways [07:31:50] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0058/images/dennis_with_disks.png [07:32:14] <dclarke> in case anyone wonders what I'm looking like these days [07:32:21] <jimgris> sweet! [07:32:36] <jimgris> have to blog tthat one [07:32:43] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0058/images/dennis_clarke.png [07:32:54] <dclarke> there .. thats for the marketing wonks [07:33:12] <dclarke> but the first photo is more honest .. [07:33:25] <dclarke> its what I do .. admin work .. keeping Blastwave running and growing [07:33:33] <jimgris> dennis: actually, in my sldies I have 4 slides with pics from the community ... I tell stories about my experiences with you guys ... I"ll add these since I have a storyor two tell about you! [07:33:34] <jimgris> :) [07:34:51] <dclarke> jimgris : erk ... [07:34:57] <dclarke> jimgris: go for it !! [07:35:23] <dclarke> jimgris: I recently ... well .. reasonably recent .. received a really long email from JS [07:35:30] <jimgris> cool [07:35:35] <dclarke> jimgris: I was caught off guard [07:35:48] <jimgris> he can do that, yes [07:36:11] <dclarke> jimgris: one of the director level guys from Menlo Park flew up here .. took me out to lunch ... and I went for the Felet Mignon :-) [07:36:38] <dclarke> Filet Mignon and all the trimmings ... but .. I wore a suit for that lunch [07:36:58] <Cyl> is there a way to change the timeout for iscsi if no connection to the iscsi device can be found? [07:37:07] <jamesd_> dclarke, during the good times they used to have steak and lobsters in the vending machines ;-p [07:37:16] <Cyl> I just unplugged an iscsi drive and it froze my machine for 10 minutes [07:37:16] <dclarke> I'm such a geek .. I actually am wearing my "first 5000" OpenSolaris T-shirt [07:37:27] <jimgris> sweet :) [07:37:30] <dclarke> Cyl : plug it back in !! [07:37:45] <dclarke> jimgris: I may have to wash it .. someday [07:37:57] <dclarke> jimgris: I'm such a slob ... geez [07:38:01] <jimgris> hahaha [07:38:14] <Cyl> dclarke: I'm not physically there :D [07:38:35] <Cyl> *cries* it's terrifying even through the ilom I can't do anything in the console [07:39:54] <jamesd_> Cyl, file a bug report at bugs.opensolaris.org or send an email to the iscsi mailing list. [07:40:46] <dclarke> unless its fibre or SCSI .. I don't touch it really [07:40:55] <dclarke> well ... maybe IDE .. sometimes [07:41:17] <Cyl> hehe I guess I'm not the only one tht had the same problem [07:41:18] <Cyl> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=55182힎 [07:42:02] <dclarke> # uptime [07:42:02] <dclarke> 9:26pm up 590 day(s), 8:07, 13 users, load average: 0.22, 0.26, 0.25 [07:42:02] <dclarke> ... nothing beats Solaris on top notch hardware [07:42:18] <dlg> nothing is cooler than patching [07:42:24] <dclarke> heck .. I even run it on old junk ... [07:42:28] <dclarke> patching ? [07:42:35] <dclarke> well yes ... from time to time [07:42:38] <dclarke> when needed [07:42:45] <Cyl> which version of solaris? [07:42:59] <dclarke> however .. if I have a box well inside a DMZ .. then I leave it alone [07:43:10] <jamesd_> enterprise:~# uptime [07:43:10] <jamesd_> 12:38am up 37 day(s), 10:22, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.04, 0.04 [07:43:10] <jamesd_> enterprise:~# uname -av [07:43:10] <jamesd_> SunOS enterprise 5.11 snv_39 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-2 [07:43:10] <jamesd_> enterprise:~# [07:43:15] <dclarke> well that one is 590 days ago at least .. so .. Solaris 9 [07:44:13] <jamesd_> bash-3.00# uname -av [07:44:13] <jamesd_> SunOS frankenstein 5.11 snv_46 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Blade-1500 [07:44:13] <jamesd_> bash-3.00# uptime [07:44:13] <jamesd_> 12:40am up 44 day(s), 15:37, 2 users, load average: 0.33, 0.08, 0.05 [07:44:15] <jamesd_> bash-3.00# [07:44:21] <jamesd_> this one is a bit better. [07:44:28] <dclarke> okay .. thats it .. I have to crash [07:44:42] <dclarke> jamesd_: I'll check in tomorrow okay ? [07:44:51] <jamesd_> sure [07:44:54] <jamesd_> sleep well.. [07:44:57] <dclarke> jimgris: soya na ta zo [07:45:16] <dclarke> jimgris: which is supposed to be .. catch ya later or tomorrow or similar [07:45:35] *** benh has joined #opensolaris [07:46:03] <jimgris> dennis: later [07:46:44] <whaq> hmm.. [07:46:48] <whaq> cpio: Cannot write "reloc/bin/pkg-get", errno 28, No space left on device [07:46:49] <whaq> 126 blocks [07:46:52] <Griff> hi guys, I'm a little lost with this fault management framework [07:47:21] <Griff> fmstat is telling me that zfs-diagnosis has found 205 problems [07:47:24] <whaq> what could be causing this? which reloc/bin directory does it mean? [07:47:25] <dclarke> whaq : man .. I was just walking away .. [07:47:39] <dclarke> whaq: easy to fix ... check your df -ak [07:47:40] <Griff> now what do I do? fmdump says it's logfile is empty [07:47:41] <dwc-> the one that's full [07:47:43] <whaq> dclarke, awww, i'm sorry man ;( [07:47:46] <dclarke> whaq: is /var full ? [07:48:34] <dclarke> whaq : hello ? [07:48:41] <whaq> dclarke - it only has 26mb free. I used auto partition and for some reason it only set 124mb for /var [07:48:56] <whaq> /dev/dsk/c2d0s1 124M 86M 26M 77% /var [07:48:57] <whaq> swap 1.9G 1.0M 1.9G 1% /tmp [07:48:57] <whaq> swap 1.9G 48K 1.9G 1% /var/run [07:48:57] <whaq> /dev/dsk/c2d0s7 9.8G 10M 9.7G 1% /export/home [07:49:02] <dclarke> whaq : thats your issue .. packages get spooled into there [07:49:11] <dclarke> whaq: easy to work around however [07:49:16] <whaq> OK [07:49:20] <dclarke> whaq: actually .. no .. [07:49:31] <whaq> OH [07:49:32] <dclarke> whaq: you need room for /var/sadm/pkg [07:49:50] <whaq> zfs create new partition and mount it there? [07:50:11] <dclarke> well ... you need to save everything in that /var [07:50:24] <dclarke> perhaps boot to single user mode [07:50:40] <dclarke> then tar up everything in /var and restore into a new filesystem [07:50:45] <dclarke> edit the /etc/vfstab [07:50:50] <whaq> Alright [07:50:53] <dclarke> such that the new /var mounts at boot [07:50:55] <dclarke> reboot [07:51:02] <dclarke> you know what I am saying here eh ? [07:51:07] <whaq> Alright, will do. [07:51:15] *** bougie has quit IRC [07:51:20] <dclarke> the problem is that you can easily point pkg-get to spool elsewhere but .. that will not help ypu [07:51:24] <whaq> Yeah, I know linux.. I'll just have to learn the solaris way to do that. Should be similar rite? [07:51:35] <dclarke> because you need room in /var for package catalogs etc etc [07:51:42] *** cecko_ has quit IRC [07:51:43] <whaq> Ok [07:51:43] <dclarke> whaq: similar enough [07:52:05] <dclarke> whaq: and you will get lots of love in this IRC channel from people that will help you ! :-) [07:52:18] <whaq> I wonder if it has a bug in the auto-partitioning? [07:52:57] <whaq> dclarke, thanks man - I could see that ppl here are really helpful ;) don't worry, I'll stick around long enough to learn to help other noobs too. [07:53:15] <dclarke> whaq: I have often felt it was .. inapproapriate to size /var so small [07:53:45] <dclarke> whaq: also .. if you feel brave .. use vi to check whats in /opt/csw/etc/pkg-get.conf [07:54:01] <dclarke> whaq: there is a spool location variable in there [07:54:02] <whaq> I was surprised to see it assigned 124mb (while I still have plenty of gigs available), but I thought that's the solaris way of doing things. [07:54:23] <dclarke> whaq: nope .. thats just a bad bad number picked by the installer [07:54:27] <whaq> dclarke, /opt/csw does not exist (yet) [07:54:44] <dclarke> whaq: and you are right to say it feels like a bug [07:54:51] <whaq> pkgadd couldn't finish extracting pkg-get [07:54:58] <dclarke> whaq: see www.blastwave.org/howto.html [07:55:14] <dclarke> whaq: yeah man .. you need disk space badly [07:55:23] <whaq> dclarke, yes, I've been using that to guide.. [07:55:24] <dclarke> whaq: at least 1GB for /var [07:55:41] <dclarke> whaq: I'll update that page soon .. to make it more clear [07:56:09] <whaq> Ok, I'll try fixing the partiiton in single mode. Can it be zfs partition? The installer didn't offer zfs at all.. [07:56:20] <whaq> cool [07:56:35] <dclarke> whaq: the installer has not caught up with the newer OS options [07:56:50] <dclarke> whaq: can /var be ZFS .. geez .. good question [07:57:05] <dclarke> whaq: to be super safe .. for now .. I'd say no [07:57:17] <whaq> I see... ZFS is the main reason I'm diving into sol :> and brandz.. and zones.. [07:57:30] <dclarke> whaq: hey .. it works [07:57:37] <sickness> morning all [07:57:40] <dclarke> whaq: just use it in the right places [07:57:57] <dclarke> whaq: you don't go into a closet and fire a howitzer [07:58:04] <dlg> anyone here got a dell perc5? [07:58:21] <dclarke> whaq: the howitzer will work .. but you will be better off with a hand gun in tight places [07:58:29] <whaq> heheh [07:58:33] <whaq> morning sickness [07:58:37] <whaq> oh, that's not good.. [07:58:37] <dclarke> whaq: so .. its a bad analogy .. I'm tired [07:58:46] <dclarke> ta all .. gotta go fall over [07:58:57] <dclarke> hopefully pass out asleep for ... geez ... four hours [07:59:21] <whaq> dclarke, i plan to setup nas\san w/ it... samba and iscsi target.. [08:00:14] <dclarke> whaq: may the force be with you [08:00:19] <dclarke> whaq: :-) [08:00:20] *** Griff is now known as Gr|ffous [08:00:21] <whaq> dclarke, your secret is safe w/ me ;) ok man, have a good rest [08:00:28] <dclarke> whaq: ta .. [08:00:50] <whaq> thx a bunch! [08:00:51] <Gr|ffous> so, fmdump -e gives me many lines of "ereport.fs.zfs.data", what do I do next? [08:04:23] <Triskelios> geez, b52 upgrade has been going for 3 hours on my laptop now - still only 25% [08:05:04] <jmcp> Gr|ffous: run zpool status -xv [08:05:22] *** boro has joined #opensolaris [08:05:54] <Gr|ffous> The trouble is, I don't know what to do with these objects that it's complaining about [08:06:08] <Gr|ffous> I read a thread about finding the inode, but these objects are in hex [08:07:10] <jmcp> Gr|ffous: use pastebin or rafb.net and show the channel what the error messages are from "zpool status -xv" [08:07:23] <trygvis> rafb.net/paste [08:08:02] <Gr|ffous> http://rafb.net/paste/results/SCR2V663.html [08:09:00] <Gr|ffous> This is all that I've found so far, but it talks about inodes: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=66995&tstart=0 [08:09:53] *** dj2 has quit IRC [08:13:19] *** BigBadHoss has joined #opensolaris [08:14:56] <trygvis> how come I suddenly get this: ld.so.1: svn: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/csw/apache2/lib/libaprutil-1.so.0: symbol apr_os_uuid_get: referenced symbol not found [08:17:05] <Gr|ffous> anyone? [08:18:00] <dwc-> someone removed apache2 [08:18:08] <dwc-> or upgraded it to some other version? 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[10:25:54] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [10:25:55] <dlg> and paste the system information? [10:26:03] <ofu_> dlg: no, i cant [10:26:08] <dlg> ofu_: why not? [10:26:15] <ofu_> i am looking at the block diagram [10:26:20] <dlg> oh oh [10:26:21] <dlg> where? [10:26:22] <asyd> ofu_: for the nvidia ? it's nge [10:26:29] <ofu_> hardware will be here in about 2 weeks [10:27:01] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [10:27:04] *** _schily__ has joined #opensolaris [10:28:39] <dlg> ofu_: where's the block diagram? [10:28:48] <ofu_> dont know [10:28:57] <ofu_> i got it from my service account manager [10:29:06] <ofu_> i have no "official" source [10:29:23] <dlg> hrm, ok [10:29:27] <dlg> whats the name of the document? [10:30:01] *** coolvibe has joined #opensolaris [10:30:12] <ofu_> Sun Fire X4100-X4200 and X4100 M2-X4200 M2 Servers.pdf [10:33:37] <dlg> thanks [10:36:50] <quasi> ofu_: the x4x00 M2 is probably modeled over the x2x00M2s - although those have broadcom and nvidia nics [10:39:01] <Doc> ofu: is that the "just the facts" document? [10:39:07] <ofu_> Doc: yes [10:39:19] <ofu_> quasi: no, the schematics look too different [10:39:27] <Doc> then please dont share it [10:39:43] <Doc> unless you're a channel partner you shouldnt even have it yourself [10:40:33] <ofu_> but why cant i find this information on sun websites? [10:41:05] <dlg> ofu_: maybe theyre scared theyll lose sales if people can easily discover that theyre using nvidia nics [10:41:08] <Doc> i dont know, but JTF's are internal only documents [10:41:32] <ofu_> but thats the only way to get this kind of information... [10:41:56] <ofu_> http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x4100/arch-wp.pdf only describes x4*00M1 [10:41:57] <sickness> http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=298276539&size=o <- OMFGLOLWTFBBQ [10:42:27] *** schily___ has quit IRC [10:43:53] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [10:44:33] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [10:46:13] <dlg> Doc: i would like to see the whitepapers on the m2 gen as well [10:47:22] <Doc> sickness: sounds like honeycomb [10:47:22] *** boro has quit IRC [10:47:43] <sickness> yeah [10:48:05] <Doc> are the X4200M2's out yet? [10:48:18] <dlg> you can buy them [10:48:22] <sickness> i'd like to see more about that... [10:48:24] <ofu_> yes, at least announced [10:48:25] <dlg> dunno whether units have arrived though [10:48:34] <Doc> fairly sure they arent GA, which means no general details available [10:48:42] <dlg> bah [10:48:51] <Doc> when they are, there will be stuff on the website. before then, talk to your sales person if you have one [10:49:03] *** yongsun has quit IRC [10:49:56] <ofu_> i could buy them in store.sun.com [10:50:35] *** simfordWFH is now known as simford [10:51:48] <sickness> http://news.com.com/Photo+Sun+aims+to+sweeten+storage+with+Honeycomb/2009-1015_3-5554382.html [10:54:20] *** simford has quit IRC [10:54:26] <ofu_> sickness: one question on this flickr-picture: 88*2 = 176 drives, not 196.. why 196 disks? [10:54:34] <Gr|ffous> I do know that they aren't yet certified for VMware Infrastructure 3, so we have to go for the 1st generations [10:56:06] <Gr|ffous> sickness, what exactly am I looking at here? [10:56:25] <ofu_> System Handbook says, GA Date of X4200M2 was October 27, 2006 [10:56:47] <Cyl> I think my server just died [10:57:28] <Cyl> ilom is down too [10:57:33] <Cyl> hmmmz [10:57:34] <Cyl> :D [10:57:40] <Gr|ffous> switch failures? [10:57:43] <quasi> Cyl: power failure? [10:57:54] <Cyl> other non-sun hardware is still online [10:57:58] <Cyl> so maybe a power failure [10:58:15] <Gr|ffous> ah, solar flare then, you have to watch that with the sun [10:58:21] <quasi> or spontaneous combustion [10:58:28] <Cyl> what's strange is that I lost ilom connection [10:58:29] <Cyl> first [10:58:32] <Cyl> so I decided to reboot [10:58:44] <Cyl> and now nothing is coming back to life :D [10:59:08] <Cyl> good thing it was a testing server otherwise I'd have to haul over to the DC [11:00:35] <Cyl> and my 2nd server isn't updating it's bios through ilom! [11:00:56] <Cyl> do I have to power cycle it before the ilom shows the updated bios? [11:10:40] <Gr|ffous> what is the story with replacing disks in the T series galaxy servers? [11:11:10] *** miffe has joined #opensolaris [11:11:11] <ofu_> galaxy T series? [11:11:12] <Gr|ffous> It seems odd that the flagship new architechture is bundled with a server that doesn't have hotswap disks? [11:11:22] <Gr|ffous> T1000/2000, or are they not galaxy? [11:11:29] <ofu_> no, thats niagara [11:11:39] <ofu_> those disks are hot-swappable [11:11:50] <quasi> yeah [11:11:53] <Gr|ffous> does galaxy mean AMD64? I thought it was just the new lineup [11:12:05] <Gr|ffous> sorry, the 2000 is, the 1000 though [11:12:55] <Gr|ffous> Do you just have to slide the server out, lift the lid and then change it? [11:13:21] <quasi> who knows - perhaps we'll soon see a t1000 with hotswap sas option [11:14:45] <Cyl> I think I'm cursed by sun today [11:15:13] <Cyl> I tried to launch ilom management kvm console and it crashed IE, and it doesn't work in firefox [11:15:41] <quasi> they work in ff for me [11:15:41] <Gr|ffous> has anyone used the 3510 storedge arrays? I've ordered one, and a pair of x4100s. This is my first venture into SUN kit. Fingers crossed! :) [11:15:59] <Cyl> quasi: I have the x2200 so maybe yours is a different ilom [11:16:08] <Cyl> or are all the iloms the same? [11:17:28] <dlg> lom sucks on anything except sparc gear [11:18:32] <quasi> Cyl: I've got a pile of x2200s [11:18:50] <Gr|ffous> quasi, any pictures? [11:18:51] <Cyl> quasi have you ever tried the ilom on a mac? [11:18:57] <ofu_> i think the service processor on x4200 rocks... never connected a monitor to the system [11:19:04] <quasi> Gr|ffous: I've got a 3511 [11:19:23] <Gr|ffous> any words of wisdom? I'm sure that'll be much the same? [11:19:28] <quasi> Gr|ffous: nope, no pics [11:20:18] <quasi> Gr|ffous: update the firmware first [11:20:53] <quasi> Cyl: nope, I don't do mac - only seen it working on lunix and windos [11:21:34] <Gr|ffous> what disk configuration did you opt for quasi? [11:21:36] *** MaGre has quit IRC [11:23:39] <quasi> Gr|ffous: raid5 with spare and the whole thing chunked into one (well 2 actually, but let's ignore that) lun [11:24:15] <Gr|ffous> how many disks? [11:24:33] <quasi> 5 * 250G [11:25:09] <Gr|ffous> how well did it benchmark? [11:25:29] <quasi> lousy - but then that's what you get with sata [11:25:36] <Gr|ffous> :/ [11:26:09] <dlg> more spindles! [11:26:14] <Gr|ffous> The configuration that we're getting is raid 1+0 of 8 disks, with a hotspare. I'm expecting good things! [11:26:53] <dlg> quasi: what performance were you getting? [11:26:59] <quasi> given the $0 we gave for it, it is infinetely good value for money ;) [11:27:16] *** rpaulo has joined #opensolaris [11:27:27] <Gr|ffous> lol, fair enough [11:27:43] <Gr|ffous> did you have a bit of a firmware disaster with it? [11:27:52] <quasi> dlg: I decided not to benchmark, but it isn't too happy with lots of random access on a couple of million files [11:28:14] <quasi> Gr|ffous: nope, that's just because I remember there being important firmware updates [11:28:17] <dlg> which fs? [11:28:52] <quasi> ufs [11:29:10] <dlg> ouch [11:29:21] <quasi> the thing is, I didn't know what usage it would have when it was set up [11:30:12] *** PosixCompliantNe has joined #opensolaris [11:30:12] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [11:30:21] *** Snake007uk has joined #opensolaris [11:32:10] <Gr|ffous> quasi, is yours using a dual controller configuration? [11:33:54] <PosixCompliantNe> I have sunstudion 10 and want to upgrade to sunstudion 11 : what is the correct way to do it ? erase /opt/SUNWspro and then install sunstudio11 ? I could not find uninstall program [11:33:59] <quasi> Gr|ffous: no, but I'd have been much happier if it was [11:34:50] <quasi> PosixCompliantNe: there's uninstall docs in the studio documentation - erasing the files wouldn't be good [11:35:01] <OnkelSchorsch> PosixCompliantNe, if you just rm'ed it the package database would be out of sync [11:35:21] <PosixCompliantNe> ok,thnks [11:35:36] <quasi> PosixCompliantNe: there's a script to execute [11:35:48] <Gr|ffous> quasi, active/active is new for me. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out [11:35:51] <PosixCompliantNe> quasi, where? [11:36:03] <PosixCompliantNe> under /opt/SUNWspro? [11:36:35] <quasi> PosixCompliantNe: I don't remember the exact location, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't there [11:36:46] <quasi> PosixCompliantNe: that's why I say read the docs ;) [11:38:12] <quasi> PosixCompliantNe: actually I think it was described in the studio 11 docs [11:38:36] <PosixCompliantNe> "Move the previously installed version of Sun Studio to another directory, or remove it altogether. If the previous version was installed as an "Installable Image" (or tarball archive), then you can just move it to a new directory, such as /opt/SunStudio10/. If the product was installed as Solaris packages, you will need to uninstall it." [11:38:57] <PosixCompliantNe> yet I don't know if it is packages or not [11:39:02] <PosixCompliantNe> how can I know [11:39:07] *** evad has joined #opensolaris [11:39:09] <Snake007uk> morning [11:39:16] <PerterB> pkginfo | grep SPRO [11:44:14] <PosixCompliantNe> gives many many lines [11:44:15] <PosixCompliantNe> ... [11:44:24] <PosixCompliantNe> so it is pacage based [11:44:26] <PerterB> so then it was installed from packages [11:44:34] *** linma has quit IRC [11:44:40] <PosixCompliantNe> indedd it is so [11:44:50] <PosixCompliantNe> s/indedd/indeed [11:44:51] <Cyl> quasi: did you have to do anything to firefox to get the ilom to work? [11:45:09] <Cyl> quasi: for the x2200 [11:45:12] *** linma has joined #opensolaris [11:46:51] <myrkraverk> kleppari: here, now ;) [11:48:18] <myrkraverk> is the calling convention used in solaris x86 documented somewhere? [11:51:13] <PosixCompliantNe> cd /var/sadm/prod/com.sun.studio_10 [11:51:19] <PosixCompliantNe> and ./batch_uninstall_all [11:51:22] <PosixCompliantNe> is the way [11:52:15] <PosixCompliantNe> but it emits errors [11:52:53] <PosixCompliantNe> there is another way [11:52:54] <PosixCompliantNe> /usr/bin/java uninstall_Sun_Studio_Software -nodisplay [11:54:05] <PosixCompliantNe> trying now ... [11:56:05] <myrkraverk> on, linux, one can also remove the rpms, and kill /var/opt/sun/install/productregistry :P [11:56:20] <myrkraverk> I have not uninstalled sunstudio on solaris [11:56:26] <PerterB> worst case, you should be able to pkgrm those packages, remove anything left in /opt/SUNWspro and (possibly) delete any leftover entries in prodreg(1) [11:57:14] *** miffe_ has joined #opensolaris [11:57:24] *** miffe_ has left #opensolaris [12:04:34] <Berny> morning [12:05:07] <Berny> what are sun'd jbods called nowadays? [12:09:31] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [12:10:05] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [12:31:32] *** Burana has quit IRC [12:31:35] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [12:32:44] <quasi> Cyl: nope - not that I can recall (running v2 on linux - I've heard it doesn't work on mac) [12:37:54] <lasseoe> iLOM .. yuk [12:37:55] * lasseoe shudders [12:41:07] *** Risky has joined #opensolaris [12:42:50] <Gr|ffous> what command can I use to see what interrupts are used by which devices? [12:42:57] <dlg> vmstat -i? [12:43:51] <Gr|ffous> hmm, close, but not quite [12:44:10] <dlg> you want which devices share pins or something? [12:44:11] <Gr|ffous> something like Linux's /proc/interrupts [12:44:37] <Gr|ffous> I'm trying to work out what irq numbers are being shared [12:44:38] <quasi> lasseoe: they're not that bad [12:44:50] <lasseoe> quasi: ok ok, almost :) [12:44:57] <quasi> lasseoe: not fabulous either, but generally works [12:45:17] <quasi> lasseoe: yeah, I miss the v20/v40 style loms [12:48:21] *** Burana has quit IRC [12:48:30] <myrkraverk> anyone here familiar with libgc? [12:48:56] <myrkraverk> are there any side effects of using it with other dynamic libraries? [12:49:28] *** Vanuatoo has left #opensolaris [12:53:50] *** miffe_ has joined #opensolaris [12:53:52] *** Joemama has joined #opensolaris [12:54:05] <Joemama> Help [12:54:50] <Joemama> j/k I read somewhere that saying help in here did something. [12:55:45] <quasi> you're right - it annoys a bunch of people ;) [12:55:56] <Joemama> heh heh [12:56:06] <Joemama> Didn't think anyone was awake. [12:56:59] <dunc> so who were u shouting help at? [12:57:49] <Joemama> I read somewhere just a minute ago about getting help and it actually said you could join this chan and say HELP and I thought it was going to be a command maybe. [12:58:09] <dunc> ahhh :) [12:58:11] <Joemama> just a joke maybe [12:59:10] <Joemama> anyone use KDE? [12:59:28] <dunc> on 1 box but not on solaris [13:00:05] *** miffe_ has left #opensolaris [13:00:33] <Joemama> would you know how to turn the sound effects off? There is an bad noise effect when the windows open and close [13:00:59] <Joemama> or when I minimize to the panel [13:01:10] <Joemama> its like a whistle [13:02:07] <dlg> Joemama: unplug your speakers [13:02:24] <Joemama> thats too easy [13:02:35] <Joemama> you don't have anything more difficult? [13:02:42] <myrkraverk> ;) [13:02:43] <dlg> i thought kde was the one that had the control panel for everything [13:02:50] <Joemama> it does [13:03:00] <Cyrille> find wherever the preferences are hidden and then find the one for the sound and then set that to mute. [13:03:01] <Joemama> control center [13:03:06] <myrkraverk> dlg: it did, back when I was using it (then came kde3) [13:03:06] <dlg> just not for sounds? [13:03:33] <dlg> we went to xfce cos kde was too heavy [13:03:39] <ofu_> anyone tried installing nevada51 in vmware? [13:03:40] <Joemama> I found it thanks [13:03:43] <Joemama> it was in Control Center [13:03:55] <ofu_> it hangs when it should start copying files [13:04:38] *** leal has joined #opensolaris [13:06:29] * dlg beat head against wall [13:07:56] <leal> any tips to install a solaris 10 on a box with HBA? I mean, with linux i install on the symmetrix disc, and use a CD to boot... 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[14:47:57] <McBofh> dlg: define "reliability issues" [14:48:15] <dlg> i have a zfs filesystem with compression turned on [14:48:20] <dlg> and it freezes up [14:48:33] <dlg> im trying to figure out if its the driver for the hardware or something else [14:48:42] <quasi> dlg: is the machine patched to the very latest? [14:49:23] <dlg> quasi: no, that's why im asking [14:49:30] <Doc> how much memory do you have? what type of machine? [14:49:52] <dlg> uhm... [14:50:01] <dlg> this will probably get me in trouble [14:50:10] <dlg> dell 2850, probably 4gig of ram [14:50:25] <delewis> "probably?" [14:50:54] *** e57181 is now known as estibi [14:51:43] <dlg> how do i see how much memory i have in a box? [14:51:48] <delewis> prtconf [14:51:50] <hile_> derek: you see my msg last night? [14:51:54] <delewis> or prtdiag [14:52:01] <delewis> hile_: yes :-) [14:52:02] <hile_> you mean you don't just know that? [14:52:05] <hile_> or have it in inventory [14:52:42] <dlg> hile_: i have "enough" [14:52:51] <dlg> Doc: 4gig [14:53:02] <sommerfeld> since it's an x86 system, the key question is now whether it's a 32-bit or a 64-bit cpu.. [14:53:09] <dlg> its 64bit [14:53:27] <sommerfeld> and you've booted 64-bit solaris? [14:53:36] <dlg> after writing a driver for it i have to know something like that [14:53:44] <dlg> yes [14:53:55] <quasi> dlg: I've seen various patches to the zfs bits to bring 6/06 closer to u3 - but hard to say if any of them will do the trick [14:54:34] <dlg> quasi: hrm, ok [14:54:43] *** BigBadHoss has quit IRC [14:54:44] *** [1]BigBadHoss is now known as BigBadHoss [14:54:45] <dlg> i guess i could install an nv release on it [14:54:54] *** darrenm has joined #opensolaris [14:55:28] <quasi> dlg: or just run smpatch update [14:55:55] <dlg> if only i could remember how that works [14:56:49] <quasi> you could run pca instead (just be careful about http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/11/19/T15_31_02/index.html ) [14:57:58] *** linma` has joined #opensolaris [14:58:21] <dlg> someone at work set up a proxy for smpatch [14:58:25] <dlg> i just have to find the email about it [14:58:29] *** estibi is now known as e57181 [15:05:03] *** boxix has joined #opensolaris [15:14:22] *** logic has quit IRC [15:16:23] *** bunker_work has quit IRC [15:24:38] *** karrotx_ has quit IRC [15:24:41] *** dj2 has joined #opensolaris [15:26:10] *** karrotx_ has joined #opensolaris [15:27:55] *** miffe_ has joined #opensolaris [15:28:02] *** miffe_ has quit IRC [15:28:48] *** OnkelSchorsch_ has joined #opensolaris [15:28:53] *** boro has joined #opensolaris [15:28:56] <myrkraverk> anyone here good at x86 asm? when I pushfw; popl %ecx do I get mismatch on the stack? [15:28:57] <boro> http://cmynhier.blogspot.com/2006/05/zfs-benchmarking.html [15:29:04] <myrkraverk> that is, misalignment? [15:29:34] <boro> if pushfw is for 16bit push, you will [15:30:11] <myrkraverk> hmm, k - becouse this is from a tutorial [15:30:25] <myrkraverk> (from the linux journal, of course) [15:31:22] <McBofh> myrkraverk: (http://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs342/isa.pdf) PUSHFW pops a word from the stack and stores it in the bottom 16 bits of the flags register (or the whole [15:31:23] <McBofh> flags register, on processors below a 386). PUSHFD pops a doubleword and stores it in the entire flags [15:31:23] <McBofh> register [15:31:27] <boro> for 32 bit there should be pushfd [15:31:47] <McBofh> is %ecx the flags register? I thought flags went to %flags [15:32:05] <boro> pushf pushes... [15:32:18] <boro> it puts it into the stack [15:32:41] <boro> pop fetches register, popf fethces flags status register [15:32:48] <McBofh> duh ... of course :) [15:33:02] <myrkraverk> I want %eflags in %ecx [15:33:07] * McBofh much prefers the sparc arch [15:33:14] <myrkraverk> that is the trick in the tutorial [15:33:23] * myrkraverk prefers mips (does not know sparc) [15:34:46] <myrkraverk> but, aparently, from that McBofh pasted, pushfw does 32 bits, so it should be ok, I think [15:35:06] <twincest> myrk: IA-32 word is 16 bits [15:35:35] <myrkraverk> oh (I keep thinking in mips) [15:35:51] <twincest> a 32-bit quantity is a dword [15:36:01] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris [15:36:16] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [15:38:16] <myrkraverk> from the intel docs: PUSHF, PUSHFD, PUSHFQ: decrements the stack pointer by 4 (if the current operand-size attribute is 32) and pushes the entire contents of the EFLAGS register onto the stack, or decrements the stack pointer by 2 (if the operand size attribute is 16) and pushes the lower 16 bits of the EFLAGS register (that is, the FLAGS register) onto the stack. [15:38:23] <boro> just if in doubt, try it in gdb and watch esp register movements [15:38:36] <myrkraverk> gdb???????? [15:38:39] <sommerfeld> or mdb [15:38:39] * McBofh sleeps [15:38:45] <myrkraverk> why the heck should I not use dbx? [15:38:57] <myrkraverk> *mildly shocked* [15:38:59] <sommerfeld> single step by instruction. dump registers between each step [15:39:23] <myrkraverk> sommerfeld: yes, I'll manage that ;) [15:41:12] <boro> some instructions are spellet a bit different in unix assemblers (at@t ?) compared to intel specs [15:41:16] <boro> spelled [15:41:39] <myrkraverk> boro: yes, I have the intel specs and the solaris translation docs in front of me [15:41:56] <myrkraverk> however, I think there is a bug in the translation docs [15:42:13] <boro> usually w means really 16 bit [15:42:14] <twincest> myrkraverk: you know the intel docs use Intel syntax, right? [15:42:26] <myrkraverk> twincest: yes ;) [15:42:28] <sommerfeld> so i've never been a fan of dbx. was scared away from it when it made stuff up out of whole cloth back in the bsd 4.2/4.3 days. used adb and gdb. on solaris I mostly use mdb [15:42:44] <myrkraverk> sommerfeld: oh [15:43:11] <twincest> myrkraverk: pushw has an operand size of 16 [15:43:18] <sommerfeld> admittedly the solaris dbx is very different from the ancient one.. [15:43:22] <twincest> pushfw rather [15:43:38] <myrkraverk> so, I'll use pushfl then ;) [15:43:46] <myrkraverk> or, try that ;) [15:43:46] <twincest> yes [15:44:42] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [15:45:28] <boro> brw, is there a command to show all say global variables with dbx ? [15:46:29] <boro> like info variables from gdb [15:46:40] <boro> or info locals [15:49:28] <myrkraverk> anyone here with an actual amd(64) cpu? [15:49:55] <timeless> instead of an intel that supports amd64? [15:50:17] <myrkraverk> I'd like to know if the intel trick of figuring out if the cpu has cpuid works on amd too [15:50:18] <myrkraverk> yes [15:50:28] <quasi> myrkraverk: I have a pile of them [15:51:03] <myrkraverk> quasi: care to 1) run a binary or 2) compile and run code in them (works on solaris, maybe on linux too) [15:51:34] <quasi> myrkraverk: no, I wouldn't do that [15:51:49] <myrkraverk> aww ;/ [15:52:06] <myrkraverk> the code is not dangerous (I hope) [15:52:07] <myrkraverk> ;) [15:52:55] <Berny> .oO(what was the story about the wooden horse in ancient times?) [15:53:04] <dlg> my fs only freezes up if i have compression set on a filesystem [15:53:32] <quasi> myrkraverk: I'm not feeling suicidal today ;) [15:53:33] <myrkraverk> Berny: probably fake, all of it ;P [15:53:47] <myrkraverk> quasi: but but but, you can *read* the code! ;) [15:54:27] <Berny> yeah yeah yeah [15:54:35] <Berny> care to read some of my asm code? :> [15:55:02] <myrkraverk> not right no (this one is 12 lines + template from http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/x86_assembly_lang.html ) [15:55:24] <myrkraverk> sno/now/ [15:55:40] <myrkraverk> s/no/now/ I meant [15:56:11] <Berny> :> [15:57:51] <quasi> myrkraverk: sure - right after I finish sorting the leftover bits in 1s and 0s [15:58:23] <myrkraverk> ;) [16:00:53] <Sporq> herro! [16:00:56] <vaneth> Berny; "Troja" [16:01:23] <Sporq> anyone have any clue when 11/06 is going to be available? [16:02:33] <Sporq> a working ncurses would be a great thing. =) [16:04:06] <myrkraverk> http://www.myrkraverk.net/~myrkraverk/cpuid/ < [16:04:19] <myrkraverk> this is where I put my binary+code [16:05:12] <sommerfeld> Berny: trojan horse, you mean? [16:05:41] <vaneth> sommerfeld; as i said ;> [16:05:59] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris [16:06:04] <Berny> or some code i wish not to read and test right now though it is supposed not be dangerous ;-) [16:07:38] <myrkraverk> haha ;) [16:08:05] <quasi> Sporq: probably a good chance it will be within the next 10 days or thereabouts ;) [16:10:05] *** rpaulo has quit IRC [16:11:08] *** rpaulo has joined #opensolaris [16:12:30] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [16:15:41] *** rockz has joined #opensolaris [16:17:48] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [16:17:57] <rockz> hi all. Can I ask a subversion question here? is it possible to assign directory level read write access to users ? not authentication, but read/write access [16:17:57] * Sporq found yet another problem with the XVR100 [16:18:28] <Sporq> if you use the DVI output on the XVR-100, the x screen blanking doesn't work at the CDE logon prompt. [16:18:59] *** calumb has quit IRC [16:22:53] <richlowe> sommerfeld: the lack of BT in a read/write is a glaring and obvious deficiency I suspect is being ignored in the hopes it magically goes away. [16:23:05] <richlowe> sommerfeld: so while pointing it out is great and all, my experience of doing so is it gets you nowhere :\ [16:23:21] <richlowe> 'read/write world', that was. [16:23:43] <twincest> BT? [16:26:36] <richlowe> bugtraq [16:27:09] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [16:27:40] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [16:27:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [16:27:45] <rockz> mrdeviant, do you use subversion ? [16:28:20] <richlowe> stevel: mornin' [16:29:31] <stevel> morning rich [16:30:17] <sommerfeld> richlowe: actually, in this case, Danek points out the real fix: which is for the putback hook to set the bug into "fix available" state. [16:30:40] <sommerfeld> but, yes, in the general case it continues to be a big problem... [16:30:43] <mrdeviant> rockz, yes [16:31:01] <stevel> richlowe: have you tried using the nightly generated closed-bins yet? [16:31:54] <rockz> mrdeviant: is it possible to assign directory level read write access to users ? I'm trying to give somebody rw access to an svn directory, so I give him this [16:32:02] <rockz> [repos:/QA/Application%20Performance%20Baseline] [16:32:04] <rockz> rshah = rw [16:32:15] <rockz> but he can't write to it [16:32:32] <rockz> according to the svnbook, that should be all what i need [16:32:45] <mrdeviant> not sure, sorry. i don't use permissions on my repos [16:33:34] <rockz> you don't have any user who want to write only to a particular part of the repos ? [16:35:24] <mrdeviant> no [16:36:08] <rockz> darn, i wish my life is that simple [16:36:35] *** Gast79 has joined #opensolaris [16:36:55] <mrdeviant> well, i also make one repo per project. that simplifies things a lot. [16:37:14] *** Gast79 has quit IRC [16:38:20] <richlowe> sommerfeld: Yeah, there's a fair many other issues surrounding that same basic problem though. [16:38:27] <richlowe> stevel: Not yet. [16:39:28] *** linma` has quit IRC [16:41:33] *** yaarg has joined #opensolaris [16:47:23] *** alobbs has quit IRC [16:50:45] <dclarke> morning folks [16:50:46] *** boro has quit IRC [16:50:56] <Error_404> mornin' dclarke [16:51:51] <dclarke> gday ... [16:51:54] <sickness> hi dclarke [16:52:09] <dclarke> sickness .. what part of he planet you in ? [16:52:17] <sickness> italy :/ [16:52:24] <sickness> and you? [16:52:41] <dclarke> ah .. that explains why I saw you at 03:00 my time [16:52:46] <dclarke> I'm in Canada [16:52:56] <dclarke> just East of Toronto [16:53:03] <sickness> eheh :) [16:53:31] <dclarke> I'm performing an obscene experiment with ssh sessions and forwarded X [16:53:34] <sickness> sometimes I could be at 03:00 my time too ;P [16:53:49] <sickness> dclarke: cool, I performed some of those experiments too :P [16:53:49] <dclarke> I have a session that is five hops to the destination server [16:53:52] <sickness> eheh [16:54:00] <dclarke> then I start xterm [16:54:04] <dclarke> then vmware [16:54:11] <dclarke> I really do need to get into GSX [16:55:20] <timeless> dclarke: you need to install ip over avian carrier or something [16:55:27] <timeless> i don't think you have enough latency yet [16:55:28] <dclarke> wow ... this is soooo slow [16:55:42] <sickness> lol [16:55:53] <dclarke> I mean ... really really slow [16:56:01] <Error_404> dclarke: btw, any word on the polaris Hg repo? [16:56:02] <dclarke> like X over modem slow [16:56:07] <timeless> if you're getting more than 12 or so CPM, it isn't slow [16:56:22] <dclarke> I have the Windows XP logo on my screen [16:56:37] <dclarke> oops .. have to run [16:56:37] <timeless> i had that in '98-'01 or so using X11 over dialup w/ a bad toolkit [16:56:46] <timeless> that's characters per minute [16:57:11] <sickness> yeah X11 over dialup, not what it was designed for, I have to admit that rdp or NX are better suited for that task... [16:57:27] <Error_404> I figgure dclarke's running from the cops [16:57:38] <timeless> i believe photon is also better than x11 over dialup [16:57:51] <timeless> although i've only really used photon for local networks [16:59:00] <Error_404> why else would he ssh through half a dozen hops, and then come in here for 4 minutes [16:59:07] <Error_404> only to run suddenly [17:00:02] <myrkraverk> hmm, I have a document that seems to kill evince - should I mention that somewhere, or report a bug? [17:01:54] <myrkraverk> (it's a publicly available: Intel 64 and IA-32 Architecture Software Developer's Manual Volume 2A: Instruction Set Reference, A-M.pdf [17:02:22] <twincest> myrk: get the book, much easier to read :) [17:02:42] <myrkraverk> twincest: later, this is much easier to get ;) [17:02:45] <stevel> we only accept those kinds of evince bugs with PDFs of your bank account statements w/ numbers and addresses clearly circled [17:03:08] <myrkraverk> stevel: I don't have any bugs in those pdfs ;) [17:03:21] <stevel> ah, shame [17:03:32] <OnkelSchorsch_> hm. no bugs? sure? let us check them. [17:03:33] <stevel> but yeah, do file a bug with a pointer to that doc if possible [17:03:59] <myrkraverk> ok, under what gategory should that be? [17:04:46] <myrkraverk> (I'll file the device driver tutorial bug first though) [17:05:56] <myrkraverk> since I know that category [17:06:13] <stevel> gnome/applications i'm guessing [17:07:06] <myrkraverk> ok [17:08:06] <dclarke> wow .. mental note .. never run VMware over 6 hops of forwarded X sessions [17:08:25] * dclarke runs out the door [17:09:08] <myrkraverk> why only 6? [17:13:47] *** Darwin_ has joined #opensolaris [17:16:19] *** OnkelSchorsch_ is now known as OnkelSchorsch [17:16:56] *** Darwin has quit IRC [17:17:39] *** OnkelSchorsch is now known as OnkelSchorsch_ [17:21:19] <dunc> 5 is fine then dclarke? :) [17:22:19] <richlowe> myrkraverk: JDS/Gnome. [17:22:22] <gdamore> hi all. [17:22:33] <richlowe> stevel: the JDS categories are shifted right one place on b.o.o. [17:22:56] * timeless sighs [17:22:57] <richlowe> (JDS becomes cat, cat becomes subcat) [17:24:26] *** bobbyz has quit IRC [17:24:32] <timeless> bugs.opensolaris.org, bugzilla.openwatcom.org, [17:24:42] <timeless> at least openoffice uses www instead :) [17:25:38] <twincest> i prefer 'bugs', it's not like you use http://apache.opensolaris.org for the main site [17:26:54] <myrkraverk> twincest: well, that is not the fashion today ;) [17:27:03] <timeless> actually it is [17:27:10] <timeless> newer systems do use bugs [17:27:18] <myrkraverk> timeless: I meant apache. [17:27:37] <timeless> well, we have cvs-www, does that count? [17:27:40] <myrkraverk> at least, I've reported both bugs now [17:28:36] <myrkraverk> what happens if ppl are not able to reproduce the bug as I described it? will they let me know? [17:28:47] <richlowe> in my experience, yes. [17:28:53] <myrkraverk> ok ;) [17:29:08] <timeless> ime people just mark your bugs as duplicates [17:29:36] <myrkraverk> I have, so far, submitted 4 bugs to opensolaris, 1 of them has been fixed upstream [17:29:50] <timeless> upstream = gnome? [17:30:08] <myrkraverk> upstream = xkeyboard-config (xorg?) [17:30:30] <timeless> did they fix ctrl-backspace [numlock] != kill x? [17:30:49] <myrkraverk> timeless: no, they fixed a bug in us(dvorak) [17:31:01] <richlowe> timeless: not sure, I filed that one, but I don't think I'm on the interest list. [17:31:17] <regx> is there an alternative to VI [17:31:24] <regx> i cant stand this POS editor :) [17:31:33] <timeless> gnome-editor? [17:31:34] <regx> i need like pico or somthing easy and quick [17:31:40] <regx> from command [17:31:41] <myrkraverk> regx: edit (and if you have sunstudio, xemacs) [17:31:42] <timeless> sed [17:31:45] <richlowe> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6404762 [17:31:48] <richlowe> doesn't look like it. [17:31:55] <regx> thanks guys :) [17:31:56] <timeless> richlowe: =( [17:32:26] <richlowe> blame alanc ;) [17:33:06] <timeless> hrm [17:33:11] <timeless> why is your bug related to the other bug? [17:34:00] <timeless> oh, it's related because the other bug also mentioned it, so they wanted people who found it to find your bug? [17:35:00] <myrkraverk> I think we're going to need a bug-repellant to this channel ;) [17:35:45] <Triskelios> how do I force install-solaris do to an upgrade? it's trying to do a new install [17:37:01] <richlowe> they're related because I add the 2nd as related. [17:37:05] *** Vanuatoo has left #opensolaris [17:37:07] <richlowe> because it's the same bug in the other keyboard driver. [17:37:59] *** xOmega has quit IRC [17:37:59] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [17:38:49] <ada> hi all [17:39:16] <richlowe> timeless: or did you mean the back reference from the other CR? [17:39:25] <richlowe> I didn't do that, obviously, and I don't know :) [17:42:25] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [17:42:41] *** Burana has quit IRC [17:42:44] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [17:45:03] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [17:45:13] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [17:45:24] <alanc> don't blame alanc - blame Canada! [17:45:25] <regx> sup alanc [17:53:03] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [17:55:49] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris [17:58:12] <Triskelios> what does ttinstall do to determine if "this system is upgradeable"? [18:01:04] *** Burana has quit IRC [18:03:03] *** Darwin_ is now known as Darwin [18:03:14] <regx> seriously.. executive's of companys are so damn stupid [18:03:40] <regx> day one of computer course should be "how to NOT REPLY TO ALL! in outlook" [18:04:07] <regx> IT is always bailing out these moronic executives [18:04:09] <dunc> :) [18:06:10] <stevel> myrkraverk: that pdf file worked fine for me [18:07:09] <myrkraverk> stevel: strange ... you on sparc? [18:07:27] <stevel> myrkraverk: nope, x86 (opteron). running snv_51 + vermillion_52 [18:08:19] <regx> hey stupid question alert [18:08:37] <regx> if i got a SUN x86_64 would that be able to run any x86 OS? [18:08:44] <regx> im pretty sure it could [18:08:49] <myrkraverk> stevel: hmm, seems to work for me now - but didn't until I had opened another file first ;/ [18:09:21] <myrkraverk> regx: they've probably rigged the bios not to support anything but solaris ;) [18:09:40] <regx> actually i just looked at the site.. looks like it does support even windows [18:09:48] <stevel> we're microsoft certified, even [18:10:10] <myrkraverk> stevel: erm, why? :P [18:10:23] *** crash| has joined #opensolaris [18:10:38] <stevel> myrkraverk: because frankly our hardware rocks, and it's all about choice :) [18:11:03] <stevel> look at it from sun's perspective. would we rather sell a box that doesn't run windows, and lose the sale to Dell; or sell a box that runs windows and solaris [18:11:32] <myrkraverk> stevel: yeah, ok ok ;) [18:12:05] <myrkraverk> stevel: just one question: if I buy a box from sun, with solaris on, do I still pay for windows? [18:12:09] <darrenm> myrkraverk: please don't spread FUD like that. [18:12:30] *** bunker_work has quit IRC [18:12:33] <myrkraverk> darrenm: sorry, I couldn't resist ;) [18:12:34] <darrenm> not only can the Sun AMD64 platforms run other operating systems they are actually certified for them,. [18:12:43] <regx> interesting [18:12:52] <regx> what would be the benefit in going with a sun box? [18:13:04] <darrenm> regx: price/performance [18:13:17] <regx> where can i find these boxes [18:13:18] <quasi> regx: bleeding fast hw [18:13:20] <darrenm> store.sun.com [18:13:21] <regx> and wat are thety called [18:13:22] <stevel> price/perf. ilom is great. they're purty [18:14:04] <stevel> look at the x2100/2200, x4100, x4200, x4500, & x4600 [18:14:07] <stevel> those are the rackmount ones [18:14:10] <stevel> i forget what the blade ones are [18:14:15] <stevel> the workstations are the ultra 20 & ultra 40 [18:14:31] <quasi> regx: we moved a windos build job from a tyan dual amd dual core to an x2200 and it went from 2 hrs to 1 [18:14:50] <regx> hmm [18:14:53] <regx> cuz i need a new box [18:15:15] <regx> i was going to get a 3800 Dual Core AMD AM2 [18:15:22] <stevel> darrenm: i'm going to start migrating your hg repos now, it's zfs-crypto/gate (not zfs-crypto/zfs-crypto?), and loficc/crypto, right? [18:15:41] <stevel> oh wait. just saw your email now [18:15:54] <stevel> zfs-crypto/gate and loficc/crypto it is... i'll update them to 51 [18:16:37] <myrkraverk> stevel: aparently, the doc wors fer me now, again - if it only happens *sometimes* I'll try to dig further [18:21:08] *** hyegeek has joined #opensolaris [18:23:55] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [18:24:47] <regx> sigh [18:25:05] *** calumb is now known as calAFK [18:27:00] <darrenm> stevel: thanks [18:27:25] <darrenm> zfs-crypto/zfs-crypto can be deleted that was a mistake before I worked out what the full URI looked like. [18:27:53] <stevel> 'k. i'll add it to my list of repos to cleanup once we figure out a nice way to do it :) [18:28:13] <quasi> regx: x2100M2 is a nice choice if you need something rackable [18:28:20] <stevel> loficc/crypto is done. zfs-crypto/gate is being regenerated atm [18:28:46] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:29:13] <darrenm> thank you so much. [18:30:14] <stevel> np. [18:30:24] <regx> quasi: do you have a link to taht box/? [18:30:29] <stevel> zfs-crypto/gate is done now too [18:31:16] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [18:31:33] <dunc> how far from being usable is zfs crypto? [18:32:01] <delewis> ZFS crypto will be nice :-) [18:32:07] <tomww> depends on the usage.. :-) [18:32:45] <tomww> most importand I think is, so have a close look at it by you [18:32:55] <tomww> s/so/to/ [18:33:04] <quasi> regx: http://www.sun.com/x64/offerings.jsp [18:33:26] * dunc would like something to keep ssh keys and other such foo in [18:33:33] <darrenm> dunc: about 6 months [18:33:34] <dunc> instead of having to use cfs [18:33:44] <dunc> ok darrenm [18:33:45] <regx> thanks quasi [18:33:55] <myrkraverk> tomww: yes, zfs/crypto ---> ssh ---> gpg-over-PPP-with-IPSEC ---> ssh --- zfs/crypto is just ridiculous ;) [18:33:56] <darrenm> dunc: if that is all you want look at the loficc project it is usable now. [18:34:35] <dunc> oh sweet [18:35:02] <mrdeviant> darrenm, i have a question about block cipher modes in loficc and zfs-crypto. it looks like you're using some fairly new modes that aren't standardized in PKCS11 yet. how do you plan on getting UCF to support those modes? [18:35:05] <darrenm> myrkraverk: err now, zfs-crypto is about protecting data at rest. ssh and IPsec (note the spelling) is about protecting data in transit (but they do it at different layers in the stack). [18:35:21] <darrenm> mrdeviant: by getting the PKCS [18:35:28] <darrenm> spec updated [18:35:31] <myrkraverk> darrenm: and gpg can be used for both [18:35:54] <regx> i see that sunfire only has 512 ram... why so little? [18:36:07] <twincest> regx: which sun fire? [18:36:14] <darrenm> myrkraverk: gpg encrypts files not network packets - there is a big difference between sending an encrypted file over a clear text transport and sending a file (encrytped or not) over an encrypted transport [18:36:45] <darrenm> mrdeviant: also loficc and zfs-crypto only use the kernel crypto so we don't actually need PKCS [18:36:56] <regx> twincest: X2100 M2 [18:36:58] <quasi> regx: that's open to selection - why should they force more on you if you didn't need it? ;) [18:37:06] <regx> true [18:37:07] <twincest> regx: the X2100 can accept up to 4GB iirc [18:37:09] <darrenm> updated for that (sorry I keep hitting return to quickly) tryng to use two different keyboards at the same time ;-) [18:37:16] <myrkraverk> darrenm: true, but the way I think about it, is that gpg ecrypts data, which does not have to reside in a file (but as of yet, gpg does not make that easy) [18:37:35] * tomww gives a third keyboard to darrenm :-) [18:37:51] <darrenm> gpg can not encrypt ip packets nor can it integrity protect them. [18:37:52] *** crash| has quit IRC [18:37:57] <regx> im just trying to justify paying way more cash for a sun box.. like.. are tehy THAT much more stable and fast? than say.. a top of the line gigabyte motherboard with an AMD 3800 dual core and 2 gb dual chan ram? [18:38:07] <darrenm> also encryption/integrity protection at different layers in the stack protects you from different threats [18:38:11] <twincest> regx: way ore cash compared to what? something you built yourself? [18:38:14] <myrkraverk> darrenm: no, but it can, in theory, be used to encrypt a stream [18:38:17] <richlowe> darrenm: you could probably do something really evil with a tun driver and a saved passphrase. [18:38:18] <darrenm> there is also the old rule of defense in depth [18:38:20] <quasi> twincest: the x2100M2 can take a whole lot more [18:38:21] <regx> twincest: well ya [18:38:26] <richlowe> I can't imagine why you'd want to, but I'd bet you could. [18:38:29] *** calAFK has quit IRC [18:39:01] <darrenm> myrkraverk: I really don't think gpg is going to be able to run at gigbit networking speed - with the in kernel crypto framework and IPsec we can do that. [18:39:02] <quasi> twincest: 8G [18:39:02] <twincest> regx: how much will it cost to employ engineers to build 100 1U servers, test them and support them? [18:39:04] <razrX> darrenm: are you still the only person working on ZFS-crypto or have other ppl crontibuted since your attendence at the NLOSUG meet a couple of weeks ago? [18:39:06] <twincest> quasi: ah [18:39:15] <regx> twincest: ? uh what? [18:39:26] <myrkraverk> darrenm: ah, yes, that's true [18:39:28] <darrenm> razrX: still the only person - plus I haven't done a thing since NLOSUG since I've been travelling again [18:39:34] <regx> twincest: im talking about having that box as a desktop replacement for my current setup [18:39:35] <quasi> twincest: I keep getting confused by the x2200 that takes up to 64G [18:39:43] <twincest> regx: sun doesn't just buy parts and assemble them [18:39:53] *** Cyrille has quit IRC [18:39:54] <twincest> if that's all you need, don't buy a pre-ade computer [18:39:59] <razrX> ah, that's a pitty (not the travelling I imagine) ;) [18:40:06] <darrenm> myrkraverk: gpg also doesn't solve the same problem as zfs-crypto does either. With gpg you are dealing in files with zfs-crypto you are dealing in file systems or zvols. [18:40:07] <regx> i want a box i can install windows on and play morrowind on.. and then a really goood box for dual head 3d desktop linux/solaris [18:40:49] <darrenm> regx: an Ultra 40 from Sun. [18:41:00] <myrkraverk> darrenm: ok, but can I keep the key to my zfs/crypto usb hdd an a keychain? [18:41:00] <regx> i could get a really nice box for 1000$ if i custom build.. but if SUN is better im wondering if and why i would get a x2100 M2 ? [18:41:01] <tomww> 3 [18:41:12] *** Snake007uk has quit IRC [18:41:21] <twincest> the X2100 is not really a good choice for a desktop... [18:41:22] <darrenm> don't by an x2100 if you want a Windows games machine thats a rack mount server [18:41:33] <regx> well id like a rack mounted box if posible [18:41:36] <darrenm> the desktop/workstations from Sun with AMD64 processors are the Ultra 20 and Ultra 40 [18:41:38] <myrkraverk> regx: I use playstation for games - that solves most of my OS gripes ;) [18:41:51] <Stric> regx: you don't want a rack mounted machine as workstation. they make lots of noise. [18:42:01] <regx> i know thats hott :) [18:42:03] <darrenm> myrkraverk: me too! hardest bit of install is getting the plastic wrapping off the game ;-) [18:42:16] <myrkraverk> darrenm: ;) [18:42:26] <Stric> rack mounted machines goes into server rooms where functionality is more important than human environment [18:42:30] <timeless> hrm [18:42:44] <timeless> did someone offer to make me a new build of gnome-taskmanager or whatever it's called for opensolaris? [18:43:43] <Stric> regx: if you know what you are doing, you can get a faster machine by building it for yourself than buying a sun.. the extra cost is that you know it will work and that you can get parts to keep it working for many years to come [18:43:59] <Stric> regx: less important for a home user with 1 machine than corporate systems with lots and lots of machines [18:44:16] *** miffe_ has joined #opensolaris [18:44:26] <Stric> (and where "fiddling time" costs) [18:44:28] <Error_404> tyan sells some nice seeming barebones machines [18:44:36] <Error_404> like, $500 for a motherboard + case [18:44:42] <Error_404> just add ram & a processor and a harddrive [18:44:42] <regx> Stric: ya im just looking for a really good home workstation but id like a nice solid name but eh [18:45:38] <Stric> regx: ok, then compare for instance an ultra20 or ultra40 with what you can build yourself.. if you think the higher cost is something for you, then buy it.. otherwise, don't :) [18:46:07] <regx> Stric: thanks man. exactly what i needed to know [18:46:36] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [18:46:56] <Error_404> or get a U25 & get some SPARC action while you're in on it [18:47:56] <twincest> regx: if you really want a rackmount desktop, you should check out sun ray [18:48:09] <twincest> put the rackmount in the basement and have terminals in every room :) [18:49:28] <Error_404> I want to get a v100/netrax1 for that very reason [18:49:45] <elektronkind> get the v100 [18:49:48] *** tsoome has quit IRC [18:49:51] <elektronkind> x1 is not so fun [18:50:09] <Error_404> ? [18:50:16] <Error_404> they're the exact same machine [18:50:21] <elektronkind> at least the v100 gives you a cdrom drive [18:50:31] <elektronkind> everything else is the same [18:50:39] <myrkraverk> Error_404: and plug a playstation in every terminal -- now that is something for every home ;) [18:51:23] <Error_404> v120 would be more ideal, but they cost 4x as much [18:51:35] <Error_404> (pci slot, for SATA action [18:51:48] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:52:27] <myrkraverk> hmm, my linux machine is getting crudded - I think it's time to nuke it and install something new [18:52:38] <Error_404> opensol? [18:52:56] <myrkraverk> trying to compile/install nasm, and it wanted to install in /opt/qnx630/host/linux/x86/usr/ [18:53:12] <myrkraverk> Error_404: I have that on my laptop - I'll probably stick with linux here [18:53:59] <Error_404> openbsd? [18:54:09] <tomww> your laptop qould love (open)solaris ... [18:54:14] <myrkraverk> now, that's a suggestion [18:54:43] <myrkraverk> but I'd rather put obsd on another box - tired as I am off linux, I still use binary only stuff [18:54:44] * dunc thinks linux is the way forwards for {lap,desk}tops, although I'm finding nexenta OK for my work desktop [18:55:29] <tomww> dunc: its missing zfs [18:55:41] <Error_404> and a stable ABI [18:56:02] <myrkraverk> and sometimes a stable kernel [18:56:11] <Error_404> and it's got too many race conditions leading to instability & security holes [18:56:14] <tomww> and the new X-bits (autoconfig, autoconfig or autoconfig) [18:56:46] <dunc> well it works for me [18:56:59] <myrkraverk> I hate auto* [18:57:02] <dunc> i have solaris on my fileserver, coz of zfs [18:57:08] <Error_404> windows made a hole-y unstable mac clone, in much the same way that linux made a hole-y unstable UNIX clone [18:57:17] <dunc> i'd probably use freebsd on a general server [18:57:19] <tomww> unguilty, dunc .) [18:57:41] <myrkraverk> what happened to netbsd? [18:58:01] <myrkraverk> I hear ppl mention open, and free, but rarely net [18:58:02] <myrkraverk> *bsd [18:58:09] <dunc> dunno really, i used it a bit many moons ago on my really old sparcs [18:58:21] <Error_404> if i had a VAX, i might consider netbsd [18:58:25] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [18:58:27] <dunc> i've booted a dreamcast weith it [18:58:35] <Error_404> but i'd probably take the opportunity to learn VMS [18:58:38] <dunc> Error_404: oh yy, i forgot about that, i've installed in on a vax too [18:58:47] <dunc> but for no good reason other than geek points [18:58:58] <twincest> Error_404: http://dahmer.vistech.net; http://www.testdrive.hp.com/ [18:59:29] <dunc> getting into the SCSI BIOS involved prodding various numbers into various bits of mem / registers, and then telling it to run, crazy voodoo [18:59:49] <myrkraverk> twincest: deathrow is down, for the moment [18:59:56] <twincest> shame [19:00:12] <myrkraverk> yes [19:02:33] <regx> for shame!!!! [19:03:52] <rpaulo> netbsd is not mentioned frequently for many reasons [19:04:39] <myrkraverk> rpaulo: care to name 1 or 2? [19:05:30] <rpaulo> well first of all, there are less people using it :) [19:06:11] <rpaulo> and second it's pretty much agreed that freebsd has the x86 bsd "market" [19:06:29] <myrkraverk> oh [19:06:47] <dunc> altho openbsd is the only place u can do tcpmd5 properly [19:07:01] <rpaulo> what's the problem with netbsd's implementation ? [19:07:20] <dunc> of tcpmd5? [19:07:23] <rpaulo> yes [19:08:42] <dunc> i didn't even know it had it :) [19:08:49] <rpaulo> since 3.0 [19:08:57] <dunc> maybe that's what i should be using for a quagga router then [19:08:57] <rpaulo> IIRC.. [19:09:06] <dunc> excellent, I'll check it out [19:09:08] <dunc> cheers [19:09:32] <rpaulo> np [19:11:02] *** svoboda has quit IRC [19:11:15] <dunc> there's a bit of a hacky patch for linux, and in freebsd it's only 1 direction [19:11:33] <dunc> and because openbsd has openbgp it seems no-one has bothered to make quagga run on it [19:13:00] <rpaulo> myrkraverk: here's another reason you just watched: publicity :) [19:13:05] <dunc> :) [19:13:52] <gdamore> rpaulo: you pinged me? [19:13:55] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [19:14:06] <rpaulo> when? [19:14:26] <gdamore> dunno, it was a while ago. probably over the weekend. [19:14:32] <gdamore> (gaim shows times, but not dates) [19:14:45] <rpaulo> I don't recall then, sorry [19:14:52] <gdamore> no worries. [19:14:53] * dunc goes home [19:14:57] *** dunc has quit IRC [19:15:02] <regx> hi!!!! [19:16:47] <myrkraverk> rpaulo: ;) [19:16:50] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [19:17:16] <regx> holy F .. did you guys see this video of the PS3 running FC6??? [19:17:50] <Error_404> i don't really see the point [19:17:57] <regx> well [19:18:04] <regx> its a 700$ ultra fast pc. [19:18:09] <regx> with a CELL cpu... [19:18:17] *** darrenm has left #opensolaris [19:18:19] <regx> with Blu ray [19:18:24] <Error_404> "ultra fast" or just "has a decent vector processor" [19:18:41] <Error_404> the PS2 ran linux too, it was dog slow [19:18:50] <hali> how fast does it run Oracle? or jboss? [19:19:05] <regx> come on man. you cant tell me that it wouldnt be nice to boot linux up and when you decide you wanna play a game. just reboot into ps3 [19:19:24] <myrkraverk> Error_404: for the ppl who want to play at making homebrew games, there is a point (I have the ps2 linux kit for that reason) [19:19:31] <Error_404> fair enough [19:19:40] <regx> wow didnt even think of it that way [19:19:43] <Error_404> but unless you're a homebrew game artist, there's no point [19:19:44] <regx> thats damn cool [19:19:51] <myrkraverk> Error_404: linux yes, but graphics run just as fast as native [19:19:54] <Error_404> other than just lame nerd points [19:20:00] <regx> Error_404: ya its really not THAT fast .. not fast enough to make my argument valid :( [19:20:06] <myrkraverk> Error_404: I have that from a pro with a kit [19:20:15] <Error_404> the kinna idiot that doesn't know anything about computers, really.. but spends $200/month at thinkgeek [19:20:23] <myrkraverk> Error_404: ;) [19:20:24] <regx> lol [19:20:31] <Error_404> you know the ones i'm talking about [19:20:37] <myrkraverk> Error_404: yes ;) [19:20:38] <Error_404> leatherman tacked on to the belt [19:20:46] <regx> i need a good OSOL project for this OSOL box of mine [19:20:48] <Error_404> probably uses ubuntu because they can't figgure out debian [19:21:12] <Error_404> the fashion geeks [19:21:20] <myrkraverk> unfortunately, I never got any further than writing this, with my kit: http://www.myrkraverk.com/PlayStation/EmotionEngine/ [19:21:52] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [19:22:01] <sickness> i'm back [19:22:30] <regx> ORACLE is NOT free at all correct? [19:22:38] <sickness> yeah [19:22:44] <Error_404> it's free as in "don't use it in production" [19:22:49] <regx> ah [19:22:51] <sickness> free version has some limits I don't know which [19:23:08] <regx> i just want a new project to put together on this osol box [19:23:09] <Error_404> sickness: 1 cpu, a ram limitiirc [19:23:20] <Error_404> plus if you put it in production oracle will sue you [19:23:27] <myrkraverk> afaik, IBM db2 is free in production [19:23:57] <Error_404> seriously? [19:24:12] <hali> IBM db2 Epress edition basic is free yes [19:24:18] <myrkraverk> Error_404: something called ExpressC (I could be mistaken though) [19:24:25] <Error_404> neat [19:24:36] <hali> oracle, sybase and microsoft have all got the equivalent express versions [19:24:47] <jbk_> grr [19:24:53] * jbk_ wants db2 connect to die in a fire [19:25:02] <myrkraverk> then there's ingres (iirc) that's gpld [19:25:14] <hali> and postgres :) [19:25:16] <Error_404> I just use postgres for database playing [19:25:55] <myrkraverk> well, back when I was learning sql, postgres was not enough for the more complex examples [19:25:57] <hali> and that other one that can't really store data... just plow through it... mysql or something [19:26:07] <myrkraverk> ;) [19:26:17] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [19:26:33] <myrkraverk> but that's was 6 years ago [19:26:48] <tomww> oh, 6 years, shortly afet pg95 :-) [19:26:55] <tomww> s/afet/after/ [19:27:04] <hali> postgres is still superior to mysql in 99% of all scenarios [19:27:07] <Error_404> myrkraverk: whatever examples postgres can't handle, I'm not at the level of knowing enough to use anyways [19:27:17] <myrkraverk> Error_404: ;) [19:27:19] <hali> more sql features, faster for complex queries... the query engine is great [19:27:47] <tomww> and....its in solaris :) [19:28:05] <myrkraverk> back in 1999/2000 mysql (or was it msql) was rumored to be the fastest for simple queries [19:28:08] <Error_404> tomww: yes, WITHOUT dtrace compiled in for some reason [19:28:16] <Error_404> in fact, I'm gonna go put in a RFE on that right now [19:28:21] <myrkraverk> tomww: but I don't know how to start it ;( [19:28:26] <hali> yes, mysql is pretty quick when it comes to basic stuff.. [19:28:31] <tomww> Error_404: filed a bug already :-) ? [19:28:45] <myrkraverk> so, how do I start postgresql? [19:28:47] <Error_404> no, i'm gonna do it now [19:28:52] <tomww> start postgresql in Solaris? [19:29:10] <myrkraverk> psql: could not connect to server [19:29:13] <myrkraverk> tomww: yes [19:29:20] <tomww> hmm. look for initdb [19:29:47] <tomww> should create a initial database in somwhere /var/lib/psometing [19:30:42] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [19:30:47] <myrkraverk> initdb wants me to tell it where to put the database [19:31:29] <hali> myrkraverk: export PGDATA=/var/lib/pgsql/data [19:31:40] <myrkraverk> hali: k [19:32:06] <hali> then run initdb as postgres [19:32:09] <tomww> hali: exactly [19:32:20] <Error_404> hmm... do i want to work on this bug [19:32:25] <razrX> myrkraverk: google provided me with a nice postgresqlhowto.pdf from sun.com [19:32:53] <myrkraverk> razrX: car to paste the url? [19:32:58] <Error_404> yeah, why the hell not [19:33:20] <razrX> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/postgresqlhowto.pdf [19:33:31] <myrkraverk> thanks [19:33:32] <razrX> yw [19:33:35] <Error_404> wait, step 1: find makefile [19:34:34] <razrX> i will need to get rid of my blastwave postgres so i can use the SUNWpostgr* packages [19:35:10] <razrX> 'cuz I want to use the official SUNW packages [19:35:22] *** damienc has quit IRC [19:35:38] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris [19:35:45] <razrX> yet another blastwave package that i can get rid of :) [19:37:24] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [19:37:35] *** bougie has quit IRC [19:37:45] <Error_404> what the blazes [19:37:52] <Error_404> which package is postgres in? [19:38:03] <razrX> define postgres Error_404 [19:38:14] <razrX> there are multiple SUNWpostgr packages [19:38:28] <razrX> at least there are on my 6/06 x86 system [19:38:46] <razrX> i count 12 packages [19:38:59] <Error_404> umm... i don't know [19:40:41] <Error_404> SUNWpostgr-server [19:41:16] <tomww> postgres is packed in severaly ones... that's true [19:41:25] <Error_404> ahh, it's in SFW [19:41:28] <tomww> e.g. client only... [19:41:36] <razrX> SUNWpostgr-server supplies you (amongst many other things) the postgres and postmaster binaries [19:41:55] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [19:42:07] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:42:52] <Error_404> razrX: right [19:43:15] <razrX> you can use pkgchk(1M) to find out to which package an installed file belongs to [19:43:18] <Error_404> which means that would be the correct pacakge to fiddle with the makefile for to make dtrace-enabled postgres [19:45:21] <razrX> does anyone know if the postgres version shipped with Solaris 6/06 is compiled with readline support? [19:45:33] <tomww> I have to make "pg_ctl stop" for now :-) (heading home). cu. [19:46:45] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [19:46:52] <tomww> razrX ldd thinks: not [19:48:00] <Error_404> rm: cannot determine if this is an ancestor of the current working directory [19:48:03] <Error_404> odd [19:48:31] <Error_404> though it explains why my user can't rm -rf directories [19:49:03] <razrX> hmm, blastwave's version is compiled with readline support [19:49:17] <razrX> and the Sun version isn't [19:49:21] <razrX> unfortunately [19:52:05] <Error_404> hmm... devpro's part of ON, yes? [19:53:21] *** boro has joined #opensolaris [19:53:24] <richlowe> no. [19:53:41] <stevel> devpro is a separate consolidation [19:54:27] <Error_404> well, that would probably explain why I've yet to get a working build regardless of how far up the chain i BFU [19:57:54] *** BigBadHoss has quit IRC [20:01:24] <regx> im getting 2megs a second [20:01:25] <regx> omg [20:01:35] <regx> ah 1.8Mb a second now [20:02:12] *** Dar is now known as Dar_HOME [20:08:30] *** BigBadHoss has joined #opensolaris [20:10:57] <richlowe> Error_404: it would? [20:11:13] <Error_404> well 'make' is part of devpro [20:11:24] <richlowe> Well, yes. [20:11:31] <richlowe> But why do you need a newer make? [20:12:10] <Error_404> because I can't think of any other reason why i wouldn't be able to make things [20:12:30] <richlowe> what actual errors are you getting from your builds? [20:12:39] <richlowe> (I'm assuming it's ON builds that are causing you problems?) [20:12:50] <Error_404> "cannot make target 'all'" [20:13:09] *** miffe_ has left #opensolaris [20:13:58] <Error_404> then target 'B', then target 'Encode' then target 'IO', then 'List/Util' then '5.8.4', and finally 'perl' [20:14:11] <Error_404> i figgure it's perl that won't make properly, but *shrug* [20:14:21] <Error_404> I seem to be the only one having the problem [20:23:36] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [20:25:16] *** calum_ has quit IRC [20:28:47] <richlowe> stevel: closed-bins look to have worked just fine. [20:30:24] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [20:31:37] *** bondolo has quit IRC [20:31:41] *** rpaulo_ has joined #opensolaris [20:32:24] *** rpaulo has quit IRC [20:32:27] <jbk_> hmm.. mdb isn't too bad once you get around the syntax.. [20:33:41] <richlowe> some things are more cryptic than others. [20:33:59] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [20:34:05] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [20:34:07] <quasi> jbk_: is that a bit like saying the lobotomy wasn't too bad once you'd had yours done? ;) [20:34:12] <jbk_> haha [20:34:24] <jbk_> well.. i just feel like i've accomplished something using it :) [20:34:51] <jbk_> now to open a ticket with sun to see if i'm right.. [20:35:07] <jbk_> i think there might already be a patch out for this [20:36:46] <sommerfeld> bad analogy. it's learning a new, highly specialized language.... [20:36:55] <jbk_> i think stuff is hanging on a condition variable within procfs [20:37:01] <jbk_> if i'm right.. [20:37:04] <razrX> speaking of tickets, how can I submit a request to have Sun's shipped PostgreSQL be compiled with readline support? [20:38:00] <jbk_> like 'w' [20:38:01] <jamesd_> razrX, submit an RFE to bugs.opensolaris.org [20:38:02] <jbk_> can't be killed [20:38:22] <razrX> ty jamesd_ [20:39:24] <jamesd_> razrX, you may get it there faster if you do a little research, find out who sun just hired a few months ago to be the postgres guru, and email him and ask why its not there. [20:40:22] *** Odin- has quit IRC [20:41:02] <razrX> hmm, good point james [20:41:47] <jbk_> gzip is single threaded isn't it? [20:41:55] <jamesd_> jbk_, yes [20:42:07] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [20:42:11] <jbk_> that sucks [20:42:12] <razrX> guess I'll be sticking with the blastwave version a little bit longer I suppose [20:42:17] * jbk_ is compressing a 3.5gb core file [20:42:54] <jbk_> would be nice if it could take advantage of multiple cpus (though not looking at the compression algo, dunno if that'd really help) [20:43:00] *** jbk_ is now known as jbk [20:43:48] <jamesd_> jbk, depending on the hardware, it is possible that gzipping is disk bound anyway. [20:45:13] <noyb> jbk: we can write a test that may tell us about the algo: choose a file. split it. gzip each. cat them together into a single file.gz ungzip file.gz does it work? [20:45:38] <noyb> if so, write a wrapper. [20:46:57] <tomww> jbk_ someone build a multithreaded bzip2 version....you might want that? [20:47:22] <noyb> even better! [20:47:29] <jbk> well it's attached to an emc dmx3 w/ like 4-5 2gb fc paths [20:47:32] <PerterB> I'm pretty sure you can't parallelise gzip that way, but as tomww says, there's a parallel bzip with packages on sunfreeware [20:47:42] <tomww> lol, disk limits :-) [20:48:09] <jbk> hmm.. i might have to look into that.. [20:48:16] <jbk> i'm guessing the version sun ships isn't [20:48:43] <tomww> the shipped version is pretty ... standard :-) [20:48:56] <PerterB> no... and bzip2 is way more cpu intensive than gzip while compressing :0 [20:51:47] <myrkraverk> does sun postgresql support java stored procedures? [20:51:53] <myrkraverk> is there a way to check? [20:51:54] <jbk> i have plenty of cores free :) [20:54:32] <stevel> richlowe: thanks, i'll make an announcement [20:54:36] <tomww> jbk: could you give a time pbzip2 compared to historic time gzip ? :-) [20:54:54] <richlowe> stevel: so, how does one get the scm-migration docs? :) [20:55:10] <stevel> richlowe: ssh://hg.opensolaris.org/hg/scm-migration/scm-docs [20:55:17] <jbk> well i am timing gzip right now.. once i've got that done, i'll look at the bzip stuff :) [20:55:22] <stevel> sorry, scm-migration/docs [20:55:55] <tomww> msg jbk: looked a t the blatwave-package. Seems to have no dependencies, only a man and a binary pbzip2 file - thats nice :) [20:55:58] <jbk> though i should probably look into where the cutoff is -- how long it takes to upload 3.5gb vs. compressing and sending.. [20:56:18] <richlowe> stevel: nope. [20:59:31] <rockz> anybody here use subversion and can offer some help with directory level permissions ? [21:00:49] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [21:05:00] <whaq> the default 'man' command uses 'more' as its pager.. how does one change that to 'less'? [21:05:43] <trygvis> set PAGER to less [21:05:48] <razrX> export the PAGER variable [21:05:48] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [21:05:51] <jamesd_> whaq PAGER=less ; export PAGER [21:06:06] <razrX> set it to 'less -is' for example [21:06:14] <whaq> alright [21:06:19] <whaq> how can i make it permanent? [21:06:28] <razrX> update your shell profile [21:06:59] <whaq> razrX, ok, I'll google that. Thanks [21:08:00] <dwc-> mv /usr/bin/more /usr/bin/more.real ; ln -s /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/more ;) [21:08:13] <razrX> omg ;) [21:08:37] <jbk> wow [21:08:49] <whaq> that's not... recommended, is it?? [21:08:54] <dwc-> no, no, it's not [21:08:58] <jamesd_> no [21:09:01] <jbk> i have a 2 node cluster -- both are having the same issue, so i was just gzipping the one core file, both are about the same size [21:09:08] <whaq> ok ok ;) [21:09:09] <jbk> pbzip took 26s [21:09:29] <jbk> gzip has been going for over a half hour [21:09:40] <_william_> hi all [21:09:41] <whaq> jbk, how big is the core file?? [21:09:46] <whaq> hi _william_ [21:09:46] <jbk> 3.5gb [21:09:52] <dwc-> gzip -1 is a lot faster than the default gzip [21:10:04] <whaq> jbk, what kind of cpu & drive config? [21:10:07] <dwc-> obviously, you get less out of it though [21:10:18] <jbk> it's on a dmx3 [21:10:25] <whaq> getting less out of a compressor is a damn good thing ;) [21:10:38] <jbk> 20 1.5ghz us-iv+ [21:10:59] <whaq> nice [21:11:41] <jamesd_> damm and its in a cluster? what box is this. a e15k? [21:13:31] *** boro has left #opensolaris [21:14:37] <jbk> 25k, and yes [21:15:46] <noyb> jbk: by the way... split, gzip all, cat, ungzip actually did work... not that anyone cares, but there it is. [21:19:41] *** estibi` is now known as estibi [21:21:20] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [21:21:58] *** polk__ has quit IRC [21:22:05] *** alexf has joined #opensolaris [21:22:16] <alexf> hi [21:23:05] <jbk> unrelated question, is SUNWscu == sun cluster? [21:24:02] <alexf> can somebody answer me to this questiosn: Can i register two interrupt (gld_intr) for the same PCI card? [21:26:34] *** kleppari has quit IRC [21:29:51] <noyb> jbk: http://pastebin.ca/253490 [21:30:08] <noyb> I guess I just can't let go of it... it was a fun test. [21:30:26] *** _dreams_ has joined #opensolaris [21:31:29] <regx> ok shoudl i get a 500gb and a 250gb set of drives for 230$ or shoudl i get a single 320gb drive for 94$ and just buy them 1 by 1 as i can aford them? [21:31:55] *** Fetch has joined #opensolaris [21:32:30] <whaq> regx, what are you using them for? I have preference to stack up on same-sized drives so they can be used in raid(1,5,6,etc) [21:32:37] <sickness> regx: I went for the route of the 320gb drives in my zfs pr0n fileserver :) [21:32:43] *** knightblader has quit IRC [21:32:49] <regx> im using them in my fileserver [21:32:54] * whaq nods in agreement w/ sickness. [21:33:00] <sickness> they simply had the better gb/euro ratio at the time I bought them [21:33:04] <sickness> :) [21:33:05] <regx> my roomate says he will buy a pair of 500 and 250 if i do.. and we will do raid 5 on them [21:33:20] <whaq> u guys are pretty kinky together ;) [21:33:27] <sickness> regx: I suggest 3x320gb [21:33:27] <regx> lol [21:33:38] <regx> hmm [21:33:53] <sickness> you'll have roughly 600gb in raid5 spending less than 240$ [21:34:08] <Fetch> I have a checksum error on a non-mirrored ZFS volume, causing kernel panics on import (on Sol 10). Is anyone aware of beta/alpha tools to check an unimported ZFS, or even rewrite all checksums with what is found on disk? [21:34:17] <sickness> well maybe not at 94, but you could find 320 at uhm 88? [21:34:38] <regx> you can get 320's for 94$ on newegg [21:34:50] <whaq> hmm.. trying to read up more about raidz2. There's one article saying it uses comparable parity space overhead as raidz.. [21:35:02] <sickness> well I just said raid5 but I was indeed meaning raidz :P [21:35:32] <sickness> whaq: isn't just 2 "wasted" disks instead of 1? :) [21:35:33] <regx> hmm so no go on the 500 and 250 ? [21:35:58] <regx> even if my roomate matches me? [21:36:06] <regx> giveing us 1.5TB [21:36:07] <sickness> it's still to early imho for the 500 [21:36:15] <sickness> and for what it costs a 250, well, do the math [21:36:25] <regx> true [21:36:25] <whaq> sickness, well yeah at that number perhaps.. [21:36:47] <sickness> the 400 has also an high price point :/ [21:36:56] <sickness> I wonder when 500 and 750 will go lower :' [21:37:06] <sickness> maybe when 1tb comes out :P [21:37:22] <sickness> but then 1tb on a single disk will bee too cool to resist :P [21:38:00] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [21:38:07] <sickness> brb [21:49:51] *** whaq has quit IRC [21:56:46] * ofu_ bought a 500GB Samsung last week, 165E seems like a fine price [21:58:54] <noyb> does anyone else think this is cool? http://pastebin.ca/253490 I thought it was cool. :) [22:02:28] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [22:02:38] <tomww> mee too :-) [22:03:10] <myrkraverk> hmm, compiling the nasm docs does not work on my sol box, but does work in linux [22:03:26] <myrkraverk> is there perhaps an issue with the sun perl? [22:03:57] <noyb> tomww: thanks! Did you run the test? [22:04:00] <myrkraverk> (or is it a question of which make I was using?) [22:04:00] <twincest> you might need /usr/perl5/whatever in your path, if it uses the more obscure perl commands [22:04:27] *** prstat has joined #opensolaris [22:04:28] <myrkraverk> ah, yes - they require gmake ;( [22:04:48] <myrkraverk> damn impoliteness, that! [22:05:15] *** Burana has quit IRC [22:06:49] <tomww> noyb not yet, but will. quite impressing it the funny 26 seconds with pbzip for 3.5gb [22:10:30] <myrkraverk> noyb: yes, it is funny ;) [22:10:35] *** dj2 has left #opensolaris [22:11:22] <razrX> is there _any_ chance that bug_id 6483014 will be delivered as a patch before the 10/06 release? [22:11:41] <razrX> i must have missed that one [22:13:30] <noyb> a few more commands, and it could optimize the parallelizing for your system, but I'm a little skeptical that it would actually be faster unless multiple disks are used during the split/gzip portion of code. [22:14:11] <noyb> anyway, it's interesting to see that gzip "knows" what to do with concatenated portions of a file slapped into one blob. [22:14:38] *** jamesd_ is now known as jamesd [22:14:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [22:14:43] <hyegeek> Has anyone had any experience installing a version of opensolaris on an intel d865gbf desktop motherboard? I just tried my third version (b51) and this motherboard just does not seem to like solaris. [22:14:58] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman [22:15:01] <sickness> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/20/sicortex_sc06/ [22:15:45] <noyb> hi there, Gman and Tpenta [22:15:51] <Gman> hi noyb [22:16:46] <noyb> Gman: according to some bloggage, 53 is up. no? [22:18:57] <noyb> Gman: my mistake. It's in the nightly. sorry. [22:18:59] *** dduvall has quit IRC [22:23:53] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [22:24:41] <alanc> docks for delivering nv_53 packages to the team which builds ISO's only closed 3 hours ago, so the ISO's are still days away from even internal availability [22:25:13] <alanc> and the half-week in the US may throw things off a bit [22:26:03] <Gman> slackers! [22:26:09] <alanc> Gman: does jds-review at os dot o require moderator approval to subscribe? or am I just not being patient enough waiting for my confirmation e-mail to arrive? [22:26:19] <Gman> shouldn't do [22:26:28] <eboutilier> myrkraverk: Did you get nasm building ok? I just built it the other day... [22:26:35] <Gman> alanc, i can check [22:27:02] <alanc> well, I just went ahead and sent my response to halton's vino patch, so there should be a mail from me stuck in the moderation queue as a non-subscriber soon [22:27:03] <eboutilier> Building was hassle-free -- install wasn't though... [22:27:33] <eboutilier> Oh, I do use gmake [22:28:53] <Gman> alanc, ok - something must be slow, because you're not on the membership list [22:28:54] <laca> alanc: i added you to the list of non-subscribers who can post to jds-review [22:30:05] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [22:30:17] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [22:30:36] <Gman> and no moderation is needed for new subscribers [22:33:24] <alanc> maybe mail is slow again - though it's not as bad as last week when mail was taking 8 hours to arrive in some cases [22:34:17] <laca> i've just got your mail. it's also in the archives: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/jds-review/2006-November/000179.html [22:36:08] <alanc> okay, thanks [22:37:37] *** dduvall_ has joined #opensolaris [22:37:40] *** dduvall_ is now known as dduvall [22:38:03] <Gman> for what should seemingly be a pretty trivial commit, the removal of ogg/vorbis from the CCD is involving a lot of mails ;) [22:38:51] <eboutilier> tomww: I'm not registered on nickserv and I think maybe that means "I can see you mgsing me, but you can't see me? [22:38:53] *** miffe_ has joined #opensolaris [22:39:12] <jamesd> eboutilier, correct [22:39:13] <eboutilier> s/I can/I can't/ [22:39:40] <Gman> eboutilier, register on nickserv, it's a 2 minute process [22:39:50] <sickness> nohup time make build & [22:39:52] *** vertigo_ has quit IRC [22:40:14] *** hyegeek has left #opensolaris [22:42:52] <alanc> ah, there's the mailman confirmation now - just took 20 minutes to make it from mail.os.o to my sun.com IMAP server [22:43:03] <myrkraverk> eboutilier: yes, nasm built fine, aparently, and seems to work [22:44:09] <Gman> alanc, file a bug :) [22:45:12] *** alexf has quit IRC [22:45:14] *** estibi has quit IRC [22:45:44] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [22:45:47] <alanc> headers show it made it from os.o to the sun.com internet gateways in about 1 minute, but then sat in the spam-cruncher systems for the next 20, so it would look like a Sun IT problem, and amazingly not a os.o problem 8-) [22:46:31] <alanc> maybe today is a heavy spam flow day [22:46:50] <jbk> heh [22:47:39] <sommerfeld> s/day/month/ [22:48:02] <sommerfeld> i've seen reports that spam volumes ~doubled in october from prior levels. [22:48:16] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [22:48:49] <LeftWing> sommerfeld: That feels about right. [22:49:10] <alanc> there's a very tasteless joke in there about needing to break out the ultra-maxi-spam-absorbers for heavy flow times, but I should probably refrain from going any further there [22:49:44] <LeftWing> haha, quite. [22:50:04] <alanc> yeah, I saw something this morning about Russian spam gangs being blamed for the recent rise in spam [22:50:11] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [22:50:26] <Tpenta> morning folks [22:50:56] <sommerfeld> we need to get the russian mob on the other side of the spam problem. [22:51:00] <boyd> Morning, all, mornint Tpenta [22:51:47] <boyd> Alan, do you see the response you you SOSUG email [22:51:48] <boyd> ? [22:51:51] <boyd> Argh. [22:51:58] <alanc> are you sure about that? you want them coming around to ask for "protection fees" to keep your servers from being overloaded with spam? [22:52:05] <boyd> *did* you see the response *to* *your* [22:52:13] <Tpenta> not yet [22:52:36] <sommerfeld> alanc: what makes you believe they aren't already doing this. [22:52:37] <sommerfeld> ? [22:52:44] <Tpenta> ahh from luke [22:52:49] <alanc> good point [22:52:55] <boyd> Tpenta: Yeah.. I think it's not a bad idea, but I'm not sure how well it would work... maybe a SOSUG specific RFE :) [22:53:06] <Tpenta> hmmmmm [22:53:23] <boyd> Do you have a date in mind? [22:54:02] <boyd> If I'm in town I *might (major caveat)* be capable of doing something about TX [22:54:11] <Tpenta> not yet, I was hoping for feedback [22:55:36] <LeftWing> I'd love to see some TX stuff. [22:55:41] <Tpenta> that would be uber cool boyd [22:56:17] <boyd> Well, I'm in town from 28-1 Dec [22:56:32] <boyd> Which may be too soon... [22:56:44] <LeftWing> boyd: Are you teaching a Sun Cluster thing at the moment? [22:56:45] <Tpenta> yea that is probably a bit soon [22:56:50] <boyd> LeftWing: Yes [22:56:55] <Gman> have a session at the pub :) [22:57:12] <LeftWing> boyd: I thought so. My friend/boss Geoff is doing that training. =) [22:57:14] <boyd> Gman: There's a pub round the corner... it's Highly Available :) [22:57:21] <LeftWing> hah [22:57:22] <Gman> sorted. [22:57:40] <Tpenta> but does it have redundant services? [22:58:09] <Tpenta> failover (a second bar) ? [22:58:18] <boyd> There are 2 sets of taps :) [22:58:22] <Tpenta> oh you could have fun with that analogy [22:58:25] <boyd> But probably not redundant storage [22:58:40] <eboutilier> OK, I think I'm registered on nickserv now. [22:58:44] <eboutilier> tomww: ping. [22:58:45] <boyd> LeftWing: Geoff says hi :) [22:58:57] *** regx has quit IRC [22:59:05] <LeftWing> Haha, training started already has it? =P [22:59:24] <boyd> LeftWing: 1 minute :) [22:59:28] <LeftWing> heh [22:59:31] <boyd> eboutilier: http://quidocet.blogspot.com/2006/11/sub-optimal.html [22:59:45] <boyd> eboutilier: oops..http://quidocet.blogspot.com/2006/11/making-packages.html [23:00:25] <eboutilier> :-) You had me puzzled there for a sec. Keyboards? [23:00:26] <eboutilier> :) [23:00:36] <boyd> Heh... sorry [23:01:57] <eboutilier> boyd: Excellent [23:02:19] *** bougie has quit IRC [23:03:05] <LeftWing> Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (oops..http) isn't associated with any program. [23:03:07] *** kman___ has quit IRC [23:03:07] <eboutilier> I'd also encourage you to contribute the ruby spec file to the SFE repository, but I see laca and halton.huo at sun.com have already done that. [23:03:15] <boyd> LeftWing: Hehe [23:03:30] <boyd> eboutilier: Yeah,. I saw that too.. it's just play ATM [23:04:10] <Tpenta> boyd, where's yer RSS feed? [23:04:13] *** Saltsa has quit IRC [23:04:20] <eboutilier> Cool. [23:04:32] *** jamesd has quit IRC [23:04:42] <boyd> Tpenta: ATOM: http://quidocet.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default [23:04:55] *** bunker has quit IRC [23:05:17] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [23:05:18] <boyd> Ok, I'd better go teach :) [23:05:30] <eboutilier> later [23:05:31] * boyd begins the daily rant [23:06:11] <LeftWing> I suppose I'd better go to work and get Shank'D. 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[23:54:05] <noyb> woo! == good stuff in 53 (nightly) [23:54:08] <Gman> stevel, updated builds [23:54:20] <stevel> ah [23:54:20] <Gman> means that something is working at least [23:54:21] * Gman runs [23:54:24] <Gman> hey alobbs [23:54:53] *** kleppari has quit IRC [23:55:44] *** bengtf has quit IRC [23:55:57] <alobbs> hi Gman :) [23:56:08] * Gman needs to kick jmcp for putting large images on his slow server [23:56:14] <noyb> PerterB: were you surprised by the gzip split thingy as I was? [23:56:30] <stevel> gman: give him a kick from me too [23:56:58] <Gman> stevel, not sure if contractors get to use blogs.sun.com :/ [23:57:14] <stevel> i'll give him a gallery on grommit :-P [23:57:24] <Gman> heh [23:57:55] <dlg> Gman: its australia, what do you expect?