November 19, 2006 
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November 19, 2006 [00:01:29] <richlowe> and on a similar note, 6491109 will cause pfinstall to crash, if you're affected by it. It's most annoying. [00:03:12] * tomww is installing nv52 on a DawiControl SATA controller (SIL3132) and is happy about that :-) [00:09:16] <myrkraverk> can someone tell me what kind of stuff is installed in /opt ? [00:10:03] <myrkraverk> if I dual boot different versions of Solaris, will sharing /opt ease my life or make it harder? [00:13:57] <hali> harder [00:16:04] <myrkraverk> ok [00:16:42] <jamesd_> myrkraverk, depends on what you install.. blastwave will handle it just fine.. other software not so much. [00:17:20] <myrkraverk> oh, another question, is it possible to have a "solaris 10" zone on nevada? [00:17:33] <myrkraverk> jamesd_: hmm, k - maybe I can share parts of it then [00:17:41] *** noyb has quit IRC [00:18:11] <myrkraverk> or is that just a myth I picked up somewhere? [00:19:06] <jamesd_> not sure... you may be able to make it work but its not supported.. and since both will share the same kernel... things may break in surprising ways [00:20:13] <myrkraverk> ok [00:20:50] <jamesd_> either deploy a seperate box, or use vmware its a much better solution. [00:22:13] <richlowe> you can share parts of /opt, not all of it. [00:22:26] <flowtech> does vmware work within a branded zone? [00:23:01] <jamesd_> flowtech, no, someone would have to at least port the vmware kernel modules, and possibly more work would need to be done. [00:23:35] <flowtech> hmhm. thanks. [00:24:54] <myrkraverk> flowtech: I *have* thought about it, but I don't think I'll do in this year [00:25:16] * myrkraverk is just reading the device driver tutorial now [00:25:29] <myrkraverk> (going through might be a better word) [00:26:02] <flowtech> "this year" ain't that long any more :D [00:26:38] <myrkraverk> flowtech: ;) [00:37:24] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [00:37:44] *** pikapika has joined #opensolaris [00:39:04] *** ada has quit IRC [00:39:29] <pikapika> hello [00:40:26] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris [00:40:31] <Axposf> hi pikapika [00:41:28] <sickness> I'm back [00:41:37] <pikapika> hello Axposf [00:44:55] <myrkraverk> how do I change the locale of my X environment? [00:45:19] *** rpaulo has joined #opensolaris [00:45:23] <myrkraverk> that is, how can I set the default JDS locale to is_IS.UTF-8 ? 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[01:14:29] <jafari> can anyone tell me how can i allow [01:14:31] <jafari> ftp on my solaris 10 nat/ipfilter [01:14:34] <jafari> ftp is enabled but im unable to connect to ftp remotely [01:14:35] <jafari> only internal [01:14:41] <jafari> what do i need to do in ipf.conf? [01:14:57] <jafari> everything else works remotey to my box like http [01:15:45] <dlg> you dont even get to log in? [01:15:52] <gisburn> jafari: try to create "/etc/ipf/ipnat.conf": [01:15:53] <dlg> or do things like ls and file transfers break? [01:15:55] <gisburn> # ftp (see also /etc/opt/ipf/ipf.conf and [01:15:56] <gisburn> # http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ipf-howto.txt) [01:15:58] <gisburn> map hme0 0/0 -> 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp [01:15:59] <gisburn> # EOF. [01:16:13] <gisburn> jafari: adjust "hme0" for your network card. [01:16:26] <jafari> i have that in ipnat.conf [01:16:47] <jafari> dig i cant connect at all [01:17:00] <jafari> tell me if you get a prompt [01:17:06] <jafari> rhelas4.mine.nu [01:17:13] <jafari> can anyone try? [01:17:19] *** nexrafa has quit IRC [01:17:41] <dlg> loki@blade ports$ ftp rhelas4.mine.nu [01:17:42] <dlg> Connected to rhelas4.mine.nu. [01:17:42] <dlg> 220 lexus FTP server ready. [01:17:42] <dlg> Name (rhelas4.mine.nu:loki): [01:17:54] <myrkraverk> I am now getting my solaris laptop to me more usable than my linux desktop - which is nothing but good ;) [01:17:55] <jafari> lol [01:17:58] <jafari> it worked [01:18:26] <jafari> i guess it was a problem maybe where i was trying to ftp from [01:18:31] <myrkraverk> and now I'll sleep for a while; laters [01:18:46] <Axposf> (passive ftp problems?) [01:18:49] <jafari> does anonymous user work [01:19:19] <dlg> Name (rhelas4.mine.nu:loki): anonymous [01:19:19] <dlg> 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. [01:19:20] <dlg> Password: [01:19:20] <dlg> 530 Login incorrect. [01:19:20] <dlg> ftp: Login failed. [01:19:59] <jafari> guess not [01:20:04] <jafari> thanks guys [01:20:31] <dlg> anyone here run solaris on dell gear? [01:20:44] <hali> dlg: yes [01:20:47] <jafari> one more question why doesnt ipfilter logs the connect its getting it logs every other box except itself [01:21:02] <dlg> hali: any intention to run it on a machine with megaraid sas? [01:21:11] <hali> dlg: not yet [01:21:20] <dlg> got any machines like that though? [01:21:20] <jafari> like if i do a ipnat -l [01:21:28] <hali> dlg: the sas interface is not supported yet as far as i know, and the nic in the 9-series is still unsupported as well [01:21:50] <dlg> i thought someone had written a driver for the new broadcom chips [01:22:03] <dlg> id be surprised if broadcom themselves dont have one [01:22:26] <hali> possibly, i tried 06/06 on a 1950 and it crapped out [01:22:31] <dlg> nod [01:22:34] <hali> it works great on most 8-series machines though [01:23:09] <dlg> how do you monitor the hardware for failures? [01:24:09] <hali> look at the light on the front of the box ;) [01:24:14] <dlg> bah [01:24:20] <dlg> thats all the way in a different room [01:24:31] <hali> the ipmi support is good though [01:24:37] <hali> i think gnu ipmitool works [01:24:53] * dlg look unimpressed [01:25:00] <dlg> anyway, time to go [01:25:01] <hali> yes [01:25:01] <dlg> ciao [01:25:10] <hali> i think someone coded a bit on smbios for solaris [01:27:42] <Plaidrab> is libltdl in nevada? [01:28:18] <jafari> does anyone know why? [01:28:44] <jafari> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0iZPA6xAqE [01:32:06] <jafari> lol [01:32:11] <jafari> funny video huh [01:36:14] <Triskelios> has someone updated the opensolaris.org links to reflect SXCR b52 yet? [01:36:22] *** gusto has joined #opensolaris [01:36:35] <gisburn> Triskelios: since when is SXCR b52 out ? [01:37:22] <Triskelios> gisburn: it must be, since I started downloading it 7 hours ago [01:38:02] <Triskelios> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b52-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try [01:38:07] * gisburn watches Triskelios illegally downloading illegal secret Sun company information about illegal Sun secrets [01:38:22] <Triskelios> see also: the topic [01:38:26] <Axposf> mmm [01:39:33] <Error_404> gisburn: which is illegal [01:40:08] <Error_404> illegally so, i might add [01:40:15] <Axposf> I'm seeing only a SXCR51....! [01:40:30] <Axposf> mmm [01:40:35] * Error_404 hears judas priest in the background [01:40:50] <jafari> on solaris is there a GUI to config samba? [01:40:55] <richlowe> Triskelios: since yesterday. [01:40:57] <richlowe> uh. [01:41:01] <richlowe> s/Triskelios/gisburn/ [01:41:23] *** BoyinCode has joined #opensolaris [01:41:24] <Triskelios> richlowe: someone needs to update the links still [01:42:46] <jafari> guess not [01:43:03] <BoyinCode> i am trying to install xsun or xorg ! i did all the package installation useing 5 cds, even proceed with few times update, but in /usr/X11/bin/ i have only X and Xserver . what should i do ! any guide. [01:43:11] <Axposf> however it exsist..... [01:44:17] <Axposf> ok I'm starting the download [01:44:20] <Axposf> :) [01:45:17] <pikapika> is there any way to load drivers at soloaris express install, when DU floppies fail ? [01:46:36] <jafari> why doesnt samba start -> svcadm enable lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S90samba [01:46:36] <jafari> svcadm: Operation not supported for legacy service 'lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S90samba' [01:47:21] <jafari> how do i start samba, so it work at boot time? [01:47:58] *** klocze1 has quit IRC [01:48:09] <Triskelios> jafari: svc:/network/samba:default [01:48:32] <jafari> svcs -a|grep -i samba [01:48:32] <jafari> legacy_run Nov_10 lrc:/etc/rc3_d/S90samba [01:48:51] <jafari> where you find svc:/network/samba:default from? [01:48:58] <BoyinCode> #/usr/X11/bin/Xorg -Configure 'no file found , what is missing! [01:49:15] <richlowe> SUNWxorg-server [01:49:33] <jafari> Triskelios -> svcadm enable svc:/network/samba:default [01:49:34] <jafari> svcadm: Pattern 'svc:/network/samba:default' doesn't match any instances [01:49:45] <Triskelios> jafari: ok, maybe it's only in nevada [01:49:48] <richlowe> You're probably running a build prior to samba being smfized. [01:49:56] *** richlowe has quit IRC [01:50:33] <Triskelios> all of our nv systems (from b38 and later) have this [01:52:10] <jafari> oh [01:52:23] <jafari> so how would i start it on solaris 10 [01:52:30] <jafari> i have to manually start it [01:52:31] <jafari> ? [01:53:41] <Triskelios> probably. it might automatically start on boot if you create a config file (like apache1 does) [01:53:44] <jafari> yes your right Triskelios nevada is the only one that has it -> $ svcs -a|grep -i samba [01:53:45] <jafari> disabled Nov_09 svc:/network/samba:default [01:53:57] <jafari> ok [01:53:59] <jafari> thanks [01:54:02] <twincest> the samba init script is started by default [01:54:14] <jafari> oh ok [01:56:43] *** triplah has joined #opensolaris [01:58:42] <Triskelios> grrr [01:58:53] <Triskelios> and I found out I downloaded the sparc images 7 hours ago [01:59:15] <Triskelios> I wanted to upgrade my laptop (and our fileservers) before the Ultra 5... [01:59:48] <Triskelios> what is wrong with sdlc? we used to get 3M/s off of it, now only 150k.. [02:03:37] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [02:04:21] *** richlowe has joined #opensolaris [02:04:25] <BoyinCode> any idea , how to get /usr/X11/bin/Xorg or xorgconf ? where i have only two files there X and Xserver. [02:04:46] <richlowe> Xorg is in the SUNWxorg-server package. [02:04:51] <richlowe> which it would seem you don't have installed. [02:06:38] <BoyinCode> ic. thanks man, atleast i miss something. [02:12:55] *** triplah has quit IRC [02:15:21] <Error_404> who was that guy who wanted to set up a cluster & didn't know much about it? [02:17:00] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [02:17:14] <Axposf> Error_404, if you have a good link about cluster you can paste here..... [02:17:31] <Error_404> it's not a link per sahy [02:17:32] <Error_404> say [02:17:43] <Axposf> ah ok [02:17:56] <Error_404> i just found a JDBC driver that bridges other jdbc drivers [02:18:03] <Error_404> kinna, hacks together a cluster [02:18:06] * Plaidrab is proud to have actually had the Cluster classes. heh [02:18:17] <Error_404> http://ha-jdbc.sourceforge.net/ [02:18:26] <Error_404> might help him out if he stumbles back in here [02:18:37] <Error_404> ( i remember him looking @ cheap solutions ) [02:19:45] <Error_404> dunno if it's any good [02:20:56] <boyd> Error_404: per se [02:21:07] <Error_404> ? [02:21:21] <boyd> "It's not a link, per se" [02:21:30] <Error_404> err, yes [02:21:32] <Error_404> :) [02:21:39] <boyd> :) [02:22:02] <Axposf> :) [02:22:12] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #opensolaris [02:24:03] <jafari> when i run testparm it trys to load a file and it fails, how can i fix this -> map_file: Failed to load /usr/sfw/lib/upcase.dat - No such file or directory [02:24:04] <jafari> map_file: Failed to load /usr/sfw/lib/lowcase.dat - No such file or directory [02:27:30] *** BoyinCode has quit IRC [02:29:52] *** pikapika has quit IRC [02:37:00] *** flowtech has quit IRC [02:37:29] <jafari> does anyone know why i get this failed to load when i run testparm for samba -> map_file: Failed to load /usr/sfw/lib/lowcase.dat - No such file or directory [02:38:18] <Error_404> yeah, that's the way to do it [02:38:35] <Error_404> keep posting the exact same message, maybe the results will be different 20 seconds later [02:46:28] *** bunker has quit IRC [02:47:31] <g4lt-mordant> especially when in the ensuing timefrqame there have onbly been parts, no joins [02:56:02] *** piwi has quit IRC [02:56:05] <jafari> what is solaris live upgrade? [02:56:37] <jafari> can i keep solaris nevada up-to-date with live upgrade? [02:56:44] <boyd> jafari: man live_upgrade [02:56:55] <boyd> yes [02:57:07] <boyd> (if you are using an express release) [02:58:38] <jafari> ok [03:02:19] * Triskelios really does want to know why sldc is being very very slow [03:02:33] <Triskelios> I don't want to wait another 5 hours for b52 x86 [03:02:38] <boyd> Everyone grabbing the java src? [03:02:51] <boyd> before Sun change their mind :) [03:02:57] <Triskelios> it's been this way for a couple of weeks for us [03:04:52] <Triskelios> before it was always 3MB/s [03:05:57] <jafari> can you directly connect to a zone system like it was on a lan or you have to connect to the server that hosting the zone than login [03:05:59] <jafari> ? [03:06:24] <jamesd_> yes ssh works [03:06:33] <jamesd_> and ftp if its started [03:07:05] <jafari> oh cool [03:07:14] <jafari> hi jamesd_ [03:07:27] <jafari> am trying to test it out now [03:07:32] <jafari> never configured a zone [03:07:43] <jamesd_> its pretty painless [03:08:24] <jafari> you have docs on it that will walk me thru it [03:08:27] <jamesd_> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2005/02/quick-zone-webserver.html [03:09:31] <jafari> woo hoo sweet thank you [03:10:13] <jafari> started reading this http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592/6mhahuont#hic [03:10:34] <jafari> by time i finish reading it wont be happening tongith [03:11:23] *** ammo has joined #opensolaris [03:11:40] <jamesd_> yeah that is why i created that small howto [03:12:10] *** avr has joined #opensolaris [03:12:21] *** ammo has quit IRC [03:12:36] <jafari> oh really thats your site [03:12:39] <jafari> ? [03:12:42] <jamesd_> yeap [03:12:45] <jafari> i didnt know thanks [03:12:51] <jamesd_> yw [03:12:56] <jafari> whats else you have up there? [03:13:22] <jamesd_> only about 975 blog entries... 300 or so are about opensolaris/solaris [03:13:36] <jamesd_> pick a topic i probably have something related [03:13:58] <Axposf> bye all ,see you tomorrow [03:13:59] <Axposf> :) [03:14:17] *** Axposf has left #opensolaris [03:14:41] <jafari> cool [03:14:46] *** ammo has joined #opensolaris [03:17:05] <jafari> jamesd_ you also maintain blastwave.org with dclarke [03:17:29] <jamesd_> no, i maintain a small page on blastwave.org that has smf repositories [03:18:08] <ammo> sorry, can someone answer a quick question for me, I'm having trouble getting started [03:18:26] <jamesd_> ammo, getting started with what? [03:19:20] <ammo> I would like to get started with OpenSolaris but there is a catch 22. Is it Solaris Express I should download CDs for? I don't see Open Solaris CDs [03:19:45] <ammo> (You need opensolaris to compile opensolaris) [03:19:54] <jamesd_> opensolaris is not a distro, solaris express community release is as close as you can get to a distro [03:20:04] <Error_404> if you read the download page, it tells you to grab the latest solaris express: community release [03:20:25] <ammo> ok, that is what I thought. [03:20:26] <Triskelios> jamesd_: btw, my browser and text editors think your pages are inside a giant html comment, you might want to fix that [03:20:51] <jamesd_> Triskelios, what browser are you using?\ [03:20:58] <Triskelios> konqueror [03:21:13] <jamesd_> strange i have never had a problem let me see... [03:21:25] *** ammo3 has joined #opensolaris [03:21:30] *** ammo3 has quit IRC [03:22:23] <Triskelios> syntax highlighting in vim and other editors clearly shows that the comment isn't properly closed [03:22:35] <Triskelios> "<!--- main content of the page goes here ---!>" [03:23:06] <jamesd_> that is google.. who owns blogger/blogspot.com [03:24:19] <rydis> IIRC, there were some old browsers who mistakenly also thought --!> should end comments, and hence the bug-compatible way to end comments became --!>. [03:24:45] <boyd> except that it's not a valid comment for non buggy browsers [03:24:50] <Triskelios> rydis: the problem is ---!> is not the same as --!> [03:25:43] <Triskelios> fwiw, uadmin.blogspot.com does not have this comment problem [03:25:48] <gisburn> how can I get svn to list files which are in my cwd but not under subversion control ? [03:25:58] <boyd> There is no interpretation that make sense that lets you do --!> [03:25:59] <rydis> I apparently have too small a font to see the difference. :) [03:26:17] <twincest> gis: svn status | grep '^\?' [03:26:33] <Triskelios> boyd: good point. should be -->... [03:26:36] <Triskelios> jamesd_: to be clear, I was referring to http://www.blastwave.org/smf/ [03:27:21] <jamesd_> okay that i can fix... [03:27:32] <boyd> But yes ---> is out too... since it's parsed as comment -- -> Where -- is the "end of comment" indicator [03:28:25] <boyd> (see e.g. http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/misc/comment.html) [03:29:25] * boyd heads out to see how much a house down the road is worth [03:29:54] <gisburn> twincest: thanks! [03:30:02] <Plaidrab> hmm. An E15K for under 40 Grand [03:30:42] <Plaidrab> With 48 CPUs. Under a grand a CPU. [03:30:44] <Error_404> i don't do anything that could keep it filled with data [03:31:33] <Plaidrab> Free Shipping! [03:31:46] <boyd> Holy crap... they must be kidding! [03:33:20] <Plaidrab> For some reason, the wife thinks it's not a prudent purchase [03:33:23] <jbk> haha [03:33:50] <jamesd_> Triskelios, is it fixed now? [03:33:59] <jafari> jamesd_ when you <set physical=> is that actually the name of my nic thats already assigned an ip? [03:34:06] <Triskelios> jamesd_: yes, thanks [03:34:20] <gisburn> does anyone know how I can clobber directories ? [03:34:26] <jafari> would it cause a conflict if i use the same name twice [03:34:47] <jamesd_> jafari, you set physical to the interface name... and you assign it another ip# in the address line... solaris will create an alias for it [03:35:22] <jamesd_> gisburn, rm -rf dirname comes to mind [03:35:56] <jafari> oh [03:35:59] <jafari> thanks [03:36:30] <jamesd_> yw [03:37:18] * Triskelios considers writing a proper mysql smf manifest so we won't have to run that cronjob that does the repair stuff... [03:37:58] <Triskelios> assuming that's something reasonable to do via smf [03:38:50] <jamesd_> Triskelios, should be, but i don't think you can create a method that repairs stuff other than at start and stop and restart actions. [03:38:53] <jafari> can i have it use dhcp instead of setting a static ip [03:39:17] <ammo> Q: if I install Solaris Express and then download OpenSolaris kernel, compile and install, what is Solaris Express providing me? ie: what is missing from OpenSolaris to make it a complete disto? [03:39:21] <jamesd_> jafari, last i heard that is still an RFE, you have to give it a domainname or an op address [03:39:46] <jafari> that sucks [03:40:22] <jamesd_> ammo, some libs and a few drivers if you are on sparc... and you don't really build your own kernel, you build opensolaris because the libc and kernel are very closely linked [03:41:44] <Error_404> the sun micro wallpaper too [03:41:55] <jbk> the only time you need to compile is if you want to build a new copy of the source [03:42:27] <jafari> jamesd_ after i do verify than commit it returns me to the prompt [03:42:32] <jafari> do i need to exit [03:42:43] <jafari> than run zonecfg -z name install [03:42:46] *** yoonix has quit IRC [03:43:11] <jamesd_> after you verify and commit, you press ctrl-d , then run zoneadm -z zonename install [03:43:28] <jafari> ok cool [03:45:58] <ammo> do people contribute to OpenSolaris kernel? surely then you must build the kernel and install to test. [03:46:03] <jafari> say if you done want this zone anymore , is there a way to delete it ? [03:47:01] <jamesd_> zoneadm -z zonename uninstall [03:47:12] <Error_404> ammo: yeah, but when you upgrade, you build the rest of opensol with it [03:48:33] <jafari> oh that cool, i have alot to learn about ZFS [03:48:44] <jafari> pretty neat [03:50:40] <boyd> don't forget zonecfg -z zonename delete [03:51:27] <ammo> anybody online a Solaris developer for sun who can reconcile this for me? [03:51:36] <jafari> thanks boyd [03:52:05] <jafari> how does my zone boot up whne ever i start my server or is this booted manually [03:52:34] <jafari> Initializing package <796> of <1098>: percent complete: 72% [03:52:47] <jafari> woo hoo :) this is sweet [03:52:48] <jamesd_> jafari, unless you set it up to start automaticly you need to boot it... you set it to autoboot in zonecfg [03:53:14] <jafari> ok [03:53:16] <jamesd_> jafari, wait till you see what you can do when you use zfs as the base filesystem and you can just clone zones. [03:53:25] <boyd> For autoboot zonecfg z zonenname set autoboot=true (or is it yes) [03:53:33] <jamesd_> then the install step takes about 5 seconds [03:53:43] <boyd> Yeah, that's *way* cool [03:55:21] * jafari got lost when he said " wait till you see what you can do when you use zfs as the base filesystem and you can just clone zones." [03:55:44] <jafari> @_@ [03:56:08] <jafari> boyd when i run that command is it set permanent [03:56:11] <jamesd_> jafari, when you create the zone to use zonepath on a zfs filesystem, you can then snapshot the zfs filesystem and zfs will cone zones. [03:56:16] <boyd> jafari: Yes [03:56:59] <jafari> oh, thats what you meant. [03:57:32] <jafari> i havedone any zfs yet, that why i was kinda confused [03:57:51] <jafari> that most be pretty neat, that will be my next experiment [03:58:36] <jafari> Zone <bmw> is initialized. [03:58:36] <jafari> Installation of these packages generated errors: <CSWisaexec> [03:58:36] <jafari> Installation of these packages generated warnings: <CSWcommon CSWoldaprt CSWgnupg CSWgtk> [03:58:36] <jafari> The file </opt/zone/bmw/root/var/sadm/system/logs/install_log> contains a log of the zone installation. [03:59:13] <jafari> does that mean those packages didnt get installed [03:59:14] <jafari> ? [03:59:23] * boyd grumbles about broken blastwave packages [03:59:33] <jafari> heheh [04:00:04] <boyd> jafari: Look at the log file mentioned. Some of the blastwave packages want to modify files that are read-only by default in a zone. They're probably ok.. [04:00:13] <jamesd_> jafari, its normal you can ignore it [04:00:40] *** ammo has left #opensolaris [04:00:49] <LeftWing> Normal but irritating. ;P [04:00:57] <boyd> Jeez, 3 minutes... that pretty precise [04:01:26] <jafari> ok, this rocks i love zones [04:01:31] <boyd> Has anybody seen any documentation (such as an example walkthrough) for pkgbuild? [04:01:31] <LeftWing> haha [04:01:57] <LeftWing> boyd: Can't say that I have. Wouldn't mind seeing anything you find, though. =) [04:02:16] <boyd> I may have to write one... but I've gotta work the bastard out myself :) [04:02:46] <Plaidrab> I used to have some, but I don't think I saved those bookmarks low these many years ago [04:02:57] <Plaidrab> Not that I ever got the blessed thing to work right. [04:03:36] <LeftWing> I remember using it once or twice, and having my mind expanded by the places it wanted me to put source.. but I don't remember much else. =P [04:03:56] <Plaidrab> does autopackage work on Solaris? :) [04:04:34] <jafari> boyd is it zonecfg z zonenname set autoboot=true or zonecfg z zonenname set autoboot=yes [04:04:53] <boyd> jafari: It's true.... any (my fault) -z not z [04:05:00] <boyd> s/any/and [04:05:31] <jafari> no problem i figured that much i just copied and pasted that way [04:05:33] <jafari> ;) [04:07:08] <jafari> zoneadm -z bmw boot [04:07:20] <jafari> zoneadm: zone 'bmw': WARNING: hme0:1: no matching subnet found in netmasks(4) for 192.168.5.4; using default of 255.255.255.0. [04:07:56] <jafari> is that ok, was is just telling me it did a search and its ok o use the 192.168.5.4 subnet [04:07:57] <jafari> ? [04:09:03] <jbk> it just means it couldn't find a netmask for that ip, so it was guessing [04:09:59] <jafari> oh [04:10:24] <jafari> how can i connect to the zone thru ssh directly from a remote host [04:11:12] <jafari> just ssh 192.168.5.4 [04:11:15] <jamesd_> ssh ip# [04:11:17] <jbk> yes [04:11:49] <jafari> sweet [04:12:04] <jafari> can zones be clustered ,lol? [04:13:31] *** adcsi1123 has joined #opensolaris [04:13:40] <Plaidrab> I have been told so, but it seems kinda silly [04:14:30] <jafari> yea i think so too, is there a command the list the parameters that set for my zones? [04:14:43] <jafari> s/the/that [04:15:25] <jafari> zlogin -C bmw [04:15:33] <boyd> In SunCluster 3.2 (due in Jan) you can cluster between zones on one machine or between machines. I.e. an app can be failed over between two zones. [04:15:50] <jafari> is that a console command >? [04:16:01] <boyd> In Cluster 3.1u4 (the current release) you can cluster a whole zone (i.e. the zone fails over between machines) [04:16:19] <jafari> woo hoo, thats what am talking about [04:16:56] <Plaidrab> Now you're just gonna depress me. [04:17:09] <jafari> heheh [04:17:10] <boyd> How so? [04:17:11] <jafari> [Connected to zone 'bmw' console] [04:17:12] <jafari> 46/117 [04:17:12] <jafari> 117/117 [04:17:12] <jafari> Nov 18 19:05:35 svc.startd[5894]: svc:/system/dbus:default: Method "/lib/svc/method/svc-dbus start" failed with exit status 95. [04:17:13] <jafari> Nov 18 19:05:36 svc.startd[5894]: system/dbus:default failed fatally: transitioned to maintenance (see 'svcs -xv' for details) [04:17:23] <jafari> is that normal [04:17:26] <boyd> jafari: Normal behaviour. Ig nore it [04:17:34] <jafari> lol, ok [04:17:39] <Plaidrab> My work environment is so unsexy it's positively SCO. [04:17:48] <boyd> Euw! [04:17:56] <jafari> am new to zones so guess am to curious [04:18:15] <boyd> jafari: That message is because dbus is HW specific and won'r work in a zone. It doesn't yet know that it shouldn't try [04:18:24] <boyd> It's only in fairly recent builds [04:18:39] <Plaidrab> And the worst part is my best hope is to transfer to a sexier project set up by the same incompetants who set up the one I'm on now years ago due to my (albiet limited) cluster expierence [04:18:50] <jafari> ok [04:19:00] <jafari> its asking me about option to use [04:19:01] <Plaidrab> I try not to think about it. [04:19:02] <jafari> 1. English (C - 7-bit ASCII) [04:19:06] <jafari> should i use that [04:19:24] <Plaidrab> Do you see any need for internationalization? [04:19:27] <boyd> jafari: Do you want another language for the questions that follow? [04:19:36] <jafari> no [04:19:46] <Plaidrab> Then it's just dandy [04:19:51] <boyd> That I think you know the answer [04:19:58] * boyd goes back to real life for a bit [04:20:06] <jafari> Select a Locale [04:20:11] <Plaidrab> How much WAS that house? [04:20:13] <jafari> thats where that came from [04:20:23] <Plaidrab> Yeah. C is fine for a locale [04:20:26] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [04:20:27] <boyd> Plaidrab: AUD777500 [04:20:49] <eboutilier> 'evening [04:20:55] <Plaidrab> wow. That'd make a cat blink [04:21:00] <jafari> i choose or U.S.A. (en_US.ISO8859-1) [04:21:18] <Plaidrab> Also fine [04:21:19] <boyd> Hi Eric. It's the man of the moment [04:21:28] <eboutilier> boyd: re: pkgbuild [04:21:32] <eboutilier> :) [04:21:50] <boyd> Yeah, it's your blog post that pointed me at it... now I'm looking for docs :) [04:21:59] <eboutilier> I sorta did a pkgbuild walkthrough a while back: [04:21:59] <Plaidrab> I don't suppose anyone knows if Lester Igo is still at Sun? [04:22:16] <eboutilier> http://blogs.sun.com/eric_boutilier/entry/table_of_contents_jds_solaris [04:22:23] <boyd> Oh, really? Cool... I'll look [04:22:42] <Plaidrab> Snagged! :) [04:22:43] <Plaidrab> Thanks [04:22:48] <eboutilier> But the true key to enlightenment is that pkgbuild is designed to be "plug-compatible" with rpmbuild... [04:22:50] <boyd> Plaidrab: That price is low-middle for this area ATM [04:23:04] <Plaidrab> Sydney? [04:23:19] <boyd> eboutilier: Ah. Having never used rpmbuild that didn't dawn on me... Ok, so I can find docs based on that [04:23:25] <eboutilier> IOW, in reality, lots of how-to info is available for pkgbuild, under the guise of rpmbuild. [04:23:34] <boyd> Plaidrab: Melbourne. Sydney is more exp. Perth worst of all ATM [04:23:56] <boyd> eboutilier: Excellent.. thx for the pointers [04:23:58] <Plaidrab> Perth is the Capital? Forgive my poor geographic memory [04:24:20] <boyd> Plaidrab: No Perth is the furthest state capital from the NAtional Capital [04:24:27] <boyd> (west coast) [04:24:28] <Plaidrab> Well, I hope that's a decent place at that rate. ouch. [04:24:40] <Plaidrab> Oh, that's right. [04:24:54] <boyd> It's in the largest state (which is large and full of mines) and there's a resources boom on [04:25:02] <Plaidrab> Someone tried to sell me the Territories once. heh. [04:25:23] <boyd> Oh, and there's some geographic restricitons on the availability of land ergo $$$$ [04:25:37] <Plaidrab> Righto. [04:25:46] <Plaidrab> Now I just need some of your crabs. :) [04:25:54] <Plaidrab> Sadly, they won't sell them to us [04:26:12] <boyd> I know some poeple with crabs who'll pass them on for free :) [04:26:27] <Plaidrab> Heh. [04:26:29] <jafari> night guys going out for a drink [04:26:34] <boyd> eboutilier: I think I accidentally built a package from a combination of guesswork and luck [04:26:35] <eboutilier> Plaidrab: No Lester Igo in my copy of the Sun phonebook. [04:26:40] <jafari> talk you guy tomorrow [04:26:43] <jafari> rnjoy [04:26:44] <boyd> Night jafari [04:26:46] <jafari> enjoy [04:26:59] <jafari> i appreciate the help you guys a AWESOME [04:27:01] <Plaidrab> Seems like everyone I worked with is gone now. I suppose that's not much a surprise. but meh. [04:27:11] <jafari> s/a/are [04:27:26] <Plaidrab> particular silly people in the 124K ID range, like myself [04:27:29] <eboutilier> boyd: Yeah, rpmbuild/pkgbuild is a bit counter-intuitive at first. And the format of spec-files is quirky to say the least. [04:27:42] *** jafari has quit IRC [04:28:24] <boyd> eboutilier: Heh... I kinda read some of the jds build stuff and thought "I'll run this and the errors will tell me what to do next." Next thing I know, there's a package in my home dir :) [04:28:34] <Plaidrab> boyd: What I was referring to, though, were hermit crabs. Ya'll have a species you won't export "Crazy" crabs. Cavipes Variabilis, iirc. [04:28:46] <boyd> Plaidrab: Ah... right [04:28:56] <boyd> They must be protected [04:29:11] <boyd> (i.e. endangered) [04:29:22] <boyd> I thoght you wanted to eat :) [04:29:27] <eboutilier> boyd: :) That's the good part. It can really automate things completely. [04:29:32] <Plaidrab> Most likely. Though they let ya'll keep them as pets, so I don't imagine they are *that* endangered [04:29:58] <boyd> eboutilier: Now I just need to work out how to get it into /opt :) thanks for the pointers I think I can do that [04:31:13] <eboutilier> Check out the spec files in spec-files-extra that I've done that put things in /usr/gnu... [04:31:25] <eboutilier> You pretty much just have to redefine %basedir I think. [04:31:30] <Plaidrab> Is Sunpro stricter than gcc? I just ran into some weird returns in libgoffice that it was pitching a fit on. I wonder if gcc allowed them with warnings instead? [04:31:31] <boyd> eboutilier: in ON? [04:31:52] <eboutilier> E.g. I just submitted SFEsed.spec. for GNU sed. [04:32:40] <eboutilier> I think by just changing the %basedir line to, say, /opt/boyd, you're all set. [04:33:10] <eboutilier> No not ON. [04:33:21] <boyd> Ah [04:33:25] <eboutilier> Although there's absolutely nothing but the ARC preventing that from happening. [04:33:26] <boyd> No wonder I can't see them :) [04:33:36] <boyd> So where are they? [04:33:45] <eboutilier> And I'm really only being parly facetious in saying that. [04:34:13] * eboutilier looks up URL [04:35:12] <eboutilier> Here you go, these two: [04:35:16] <eboutilier> http://pkgbuild.sourceforge.net/spec-files-extra/ [04:35:27] <eboutilier> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/ [04:35:32] <boyd> Ah... sourceforge... ok.. thanks [04:35:46] *** BigBadHoss has joined #opensolaris [04:35:47] <boyd> I'll check them out.... But I have to get back to real life for the moment. :) thank again [04:36:21] <eboutilier> :) np [04:41:23] <Plaidrab> : reads a Slahdot article off of one of your entries and is baffled that some folks do not consider an open standard to be a contribution to Open Source. Though I suppose they are equally baffled I would [04:44:09] <Error_404> the slashtrolls don't consider anything other than a full "GPL v2 or any later version" piece of software a contribution to OS [04:44:14] <Error_404> so who cares what they think [04:47:03] <eboutilier> Error_404: I agree. Narrow-think is toxic. Better to think broad -- e.g. open-systems. (Of which open-source is a component) [04:48:21] <avr> Narrow-think ? [04:48:37] <Plaidrab> There's a reason that Slashdot is in my "Humour" bookmarks [04:49:02] <Plaidrab> But every once in a while I have Lewis Black reaction to one of them. [04:49:17] <Plaidrab> And I really, really, have never been able to understand the Sun-hate [04:50:16] <eboutilier> avr: Heh. I sort just made that one up. Intended to mean the opposite of being able seeing the world through multiple-perspectives. [04:50:37] <avr> Plaidrab, Well, Sun had this hate/love thing going on regarding linux. I'm glad they got their act together now. [04:51:17] <Plaidrab> It always felt more like a "Umm. How exactly do we feel about this?" than a love hate. [04:51:22] <eboutilier> I can't speak for "Sun", but I can speak for me: [04:51:31] <eboutilier> I never had a love/hate relationshop w/ Linux. [04:51:52] <gisburn> eboutilier: ping! [04:51:58] <gisburn> eboutilier: I found your email today... [04:51:59] <eboutilier> .. and I know many, many fellow Sun employees who are the same. [04:52:04] <eboutilier> gisburn: pong [04:52:10] <Plaidrab> I was only there two years ( on the Santa Clara campus supporting iPlanet devs ) and I never got a "hate" message from any direction. [04:52:14] <gisburn> eboutilier: sorry for the delay.... I've been swamped with the getconf issue... ;-( [04:52:27] <gisburn> sickness: ping! [04:52:41] <avr> yeah, "hate" is a bit strong. But it was ambivalent for a while. [04:52:48] <Plaidrab> Though I recall more than a few amused/confused titters about the Penguin Suit incident [04:53:01] * gisburn prepares to receive eboutilier's wrath... [04:53:03] <gisburn> (me hides... [04:53:11] <gisburn> s/\(/\/ [04:53:16] <gisburn> / [04:53:29] <Plaidrab> I *think* they were waiting to complete the Cobalt acquisition and see what type of directions that it suggested. [04:53:51] <eboutilier> avr: Something that a Sr. Sun engineer is fond of saying on the opensolaris forums -- Jim Carlson I think -- which I really like: [04:54:10] <eboutilier> Sun is inanimate, and therefor has no feelings. [04:54:17] <gisburn> heh [04:54:22] <eboutilier> The 30K + employees do though. [04:54:29] <gisburn> yeah [04:54:32] <gisburn> all zombies [04:54:34] <gisburn> :-) [04:54:35] <eboutilier> s/feelings/sentiments [04:55:02] <Plaidrab> One of the SAs on my old team used to say "Sun has become a big lizard and is trying to remember how to be a small furry mammal again" :) [04:55:11] <Error_404> Plaidrab, all that money to buy cobalt... and for what? nothing. [04:55:21] * eboutilier stumbles around looking for live flesh to eat. [04:55:28] <eboutilier> MMMMmmmm [04:55:31] * gisburn hides [04:55:33] <Plaidrab> Well, those new SATA NAS boxes are the Sexy. [04:55:36] <gisburn> not me [04:55:49] <Plaidrab> Not as sexy as the Data Center in a shipping cube, but. [04:55:57] * gisburn realises eboutilier isn't registered to nickserv... [04:56:18] * Plaidrab didn't realise you were from SCA21. :) [04:57:04] <gisburn> I am wondering whether the datacenter in the shipping container can surive cold climates. [04:57:07] <gisburn> are there any specs ? [04:57:10] <Plaidrab> Man. I gotta stop living in the past. [04:57:16] <Error_404> gisburn, that's a good question [04:57:27] <jamesd_> gisburn, sure it can.. just fill one of the racks with dell servers ;-p [04:57:28] <Plaidrab> We got some at the presentation. Totally sealed. [04:57:39] <jbk> haha [04:57:54] <eboutilier> gisburn: Interesting thought. I guess I though it was intened to be put indoors... [04:57:56] <gisburn> Plaidrab: containers or dell servers ? [04:57:59] <jbk> i did like the clip where they were cooking food from the heat of the xeons [04:58:28] <g4lt-mordant> eboutilier, how are you going to fit a shipping container inside> [04:58:29] <gisburn> eboutilier: well, one of the german research ships is slated for upgrade/refit and part of that is a "IT core". [04:58:58] <Plaidrab> The description they gave us was like disaster recover like, say, Katrina. [04:59:01] <eboutilier> g4lt-mordant: I 'spose, but in that case, I would assume they took into account climate control in the design. [04:59:07] <gisburn> eboutilier: however this would require that this stuff is capable to deal with arctic climate and weather. [04:59:25] <Error_404> isn't it water cooled? [04:59:38] <gisburn> eboutilier: and that is unlikely for this kind of container to happen. [04:59:43] <jbk> could just vent it with the outside air :) [04:59:44] <Error_404> though i guess you could chuck some antifreeze in the mix [04:59:50] <gisburn> erm [04:59:54] <jbk> we did that once with one of our data centers [05:00:09] [05:00:10] <jbk> it had been poorly designed, and a valve in the chilled water system had stuck [05:00:14] <gisburn> bad for servers. [05:00:33] <jbk> the only way to fix it was to completely shut down all cooling [05:00:39] <Plaidrab> Since it's sealed, honestly, and based on the shots of the inside I swa, I'm pretty sure that *if* it fired up, it would stay on [05:00:40] <eboutilier> gisburn: Hm, so the shipping container would sit out on the open deck, exposed to the elements, eh? Interesting. [05:01:08] <gisburn> eboutilier: yes. but the IT core in the plans sits INSIDE the ship. the container won't fit. [05:01:13] <Plaidrab> Like I said, sealed system. Needed air, water, and power [05:01:22] <jbk> so we waited for a rather cold winter night, opened every door, blew the cold air in while it was repaired (and adjustments made so we wouldn't have to do that again if it reoccured) [05:01:43] <gisburn> eboutilier: and I doubt sun will get the contract since sun germany really PISSED (sorry for that world) some people here off, including those who decide about funding. [05:01:55] <gisburn> s/worlds/word/ [05:02:56] <gisburn> (and this isn't the only project gone in this area) [05:03:43] <g4lt-mordant> gisburn, then why worry about it? [05:03:44] <eboutilier> 'k. Well give me a few years (like 20) to brush up on my german and I'll come over there and kick all there asses. [05:03:46] <eboutilier> :-) [05:05:01] <gisburn> g4lt-mordant: because the reason and decision is stupid. Unfortunately fixing the problem is beyond my powers (unless I want to risk my job) unless Sun does some special move. [05:05:28] <gisburn> eboutilier: you don't have to come to germany to do some tiny thing. However that may be even beyond your powers as well. [05:05:44] <eboutilier> Here in Chicago the Sun account rep would just get box seats to a cubs game for the CIO and CEO. You mean that kind of thing? [05:05:51] <gisburn> no [05:05:56] <gisburn> eboutilier: --> /msg [05:06:46] *** ha1331 has joined #opensolaris [05:07:10] <gisburn> eboutilier: please register against nickserv... [05:07:19] <gisburn> eboutilier: You can only send /msg here when you are registered... [05:07:26] <ha1331> is this correct channel for total newbie with simple problems? [05:07:27] <eboutilier> Yeah, I need to do that. [05:09:04] <boyd> ha1331: Should be [05:09:35] * eboutilier considers confessing that winning account contracts isn't really just a matter of box seats at a Cubs game. But hey, this _is_ Chicago [05:09:39] <ha1331> boyd: ok. Well is sun fire 240 suitable for database? [05:09:52] <ha1331> oh, thats hardware related [05:10:03] <ha1331> sorry [05:10:16] <boyd> Ya see, that only *seems* like a simple question [05:11:09] <gisburn> ha1331: it depends on the size if the database repository and the database software [05:11:20] <ha1331> I bought that machine, but it has no cd/dvd drive and now I'm wondering can I install anything in it? [05:11:31] <gisburn> ha1331: jumpstart [05:11:39] <ha1331> jumpstart? [05:11:44] <Plaidrab> Jumpstart is good. [05:11:50] <ha1331> what is it? [05:11:53] <gisburn> ha1331: automated installation system. [05:11:54] <Plaidrab> Jumpstart is king. Use JET. It helps [05:12:31] <ha1331> I'm so not understanding all that... I've used to whets and emerges of linux(gentoo) [05:12:33] <gisburn> ha1331: you create a configuration how the machine should be installed and then do a & boot net - install # and the machine will install itself automagically [05:12:42] <ha1331> is there similar? [05:12:49] <ha1331> It has pre installed solaris 10 [05:12:54] <ha1331> it's running even [05:12:55] <gisburn> ewwwww [05:13:06] <ha1331> What I want is, to install postgres [05:13:17] <Plaidrab> It's more like a um. What's it called. Pixieboot? [05:13:18] <boyd> Current Solaris will already have PG [05:13:22] <gisburn> Those "preinstallations" are usefull for marketing demos, not for real life. [05:14:11] <ha1331> I really only plan to use the box as a postgres dedicated server... and for that, access is only needed from lan [05:14:14] <Plaidrab> Hmm. Could he use live upgrade to install media from an NFS share to an alternative BE? [05:14:39] <boyd> Plaidrab: Upgrade yes, install only from flash [05:14:43] <ha1331> I "hate" vi, so nano or emacs would be nice [05:15:04] <Plaidrab> Hmm That won't work then. [05:15:18] <Plaidrab> Well, first off, do you have another Sparc box? [05:15:23] <ha1331> nope [05:15:36] <boyd> Another solaris box? [05:15:39] <ha1331> nope [05:15:59] <ha1331> I'm screwed em I? [05:16:04] <Plaidrab> Wow. um. [05:16:10] <boyd> Ok, so let's use the pre-installed OS :) [05:16:13] <g4lt-mordant> jumpstart kind of implies a solaris host [05:16:42] <Plaidrab> Unless you can beg, borrow, or steal an extrernal CDROM/DVDROM, yeah. [05:16:45] <boyd> You *can* use another non-solaris box a jumpstart server but it's orders of magnitude more complicated [05:17:10] <Error_404> I still haven't figgured out how to use my opteron as a jumpstart box for my sparc [05:17:14] <ha1331> I'm really intrested in solaris, zones and all that plus isn't it pretty stable? [05:17:30] <Plaidrab> If I were to have to engineer a Jumpstart from a non-sparc box I would seriously consider resigning. :) [05:17:35] <jamesd_> its pretty damm stable. [05:17:42] <Plaidrab> Solaris is a rock. Not quite VAX, but close. :) [05:18:10] <boyd> Error_404: Shouldn't be any prob... as long as you use DVD not CD images [05:18:19] <jbk> though both have been converted into mini bars :) [05:18:26] <Error_404> yeah, i've got the DVD iso [05:18:48] <ha1331> I bought the machine from auction, it has 2 73G scsi, 2x sparc IIIi and 2g ram. What could it be compared from the intel world? [05:19:01] <boyd> Error_404: opteron running Solaris? [05:19:08] <Error_404> boyd, naturally [05:19:15] <Plaidrab> That's a nice box. We just got a bunch of those in, hal33l [05:19:20] <boyd> Error_404: I don't think there should be any hassle [05:19:26] <Error_404> probably not [05:19:48] <Error_404> if i sat down and actually read (rather than scanned) the documentation [05:19:50] <Plaidrab> 2us. Nice footprint and very easy to work on [05:19:55] <ha1331> Plaidrab: Can I install 36g scsi disks in it? [05:20:07] <Plaidrab> If you have the same kind of sled, yes [05:20:11] <Error_404> why would you want to give it less space? [05:20:22] <ha1331> Plaidrab: would like to make a stripe for the database [05:20:42] <ha1331> reason for the size is money... really dont need the space [05:20:49] <Plaidrab> Ah, you wanna use the other two bays? [05:21:04] <Error_404> oh, i thought you wanted to pull the 73's and replace them with 36's [05:21:13] <ha1331> 36G is less than half the price of 73g [05:21:16] <Error_404> which didn't make any sense to me unless you were doing some ebay magic [05:21:25] <Plaidrab> And a word of advice. If you aren't gonna go zfs, SVM is your friend. [05:22:00] <ha1331> planning to go with zhs, or is there some reason why I shouldn't? [05:22:11] <Plaidrab> I would suggest investing in an external DVDRom. [05:22:16] <ha1331> Foe me it was on of the really exciting properties [05:22:22] <Plaidrab> I know of none, but I haven't gotten to use it yet. [05:22:25] <ha1331> Plaidrab: it seems so :) [05:22:35] <ha1331> can I buy any external usb? [05:22:42] <Plaidrab> You want SCSI [05:23:01] <Plaidrab> I don't know if the PROM on a 240 can boot to a USB drive. Anyone know? [05:23:40] <ha1331> whats wrong with the pre installed? [05:23:53] <Plaidrab> Some basic research should turn up a good answer there. [05:23:55] <ha1331> cant I upgrade it or what ever to suite my purposes? [05:24:40] <Plaidrab> Probably, but minimizing a system is a lot harder from the "Full" install than it is going from Network minimum and building up [05:24:47] <ha1331> Plaidrab: I have tried, There are plenty of good articles about some specific things, but I'dd like to read some handbook or tutorial, to learn the basics [05:25:03] <Plaidrab> Do you have a SunSolve account? [05:25:14] <ha1331> I think I created one [05:25:31] <Plaidrab> There are tons of useful docs in there. But you often need to use google to find them. [05:25:35] <Error_404> Plaidrab, network/minimal is going to be such a pain in the ass to set up for someone new to solaris, i wouldn't reccomend it [05:25:36] <ha1331> At least I got to the place I could download things [05:25:47] <Plaidrab> When they moved to the Portal in 2000ish the site became a bear to use [05:25:54] <Error_404> ha1331, ignore Plaidrab, the preinstall should be fine. [05:25:59] <ha1331> ok :D [05:26:04] <Plaidrab> Error_404: Oh, definately. It's a pain. :) [05:26:15] <Error_404> so why make him suffer through it? [05:26:26] <ha1331> I only need it to eun my postgres and allow logins from the outside. Other services needed [05:26:31] <Plaidrab> Thing is, if he's learning, he's gonna probably want or need to rebuild/reinstall a few times. [05:26:32] <ha1331> run even [05:26:56] <ha1331> no other services needed [05:27:11] <Error_404> you can disable things you don't need [05:27:18] <Plaidrab> Do you know if it's the "Factory install" preinstall or something left by the previous owners? [05:27:35] <Plaidrab> (Since you said it was an auction) [05:27:53] <ha1331> so One could configure firewall to block everything except ssh from the outside and allow postgres for couple of webservers [05:28:06] <ha1331> it's factory, it was in the packages [05:28:11] <ha1331> totally new [05:28:12] <Plaidrab> Oh, excellent. [05:28:18] <ha1331> paid 1000e for it [05:28:29] <Plaidrab> Damned good deal. [05:28:36] <ha1331> bought itanium for 350e, some hp [05:29:25] <jbk> heh.. hp's actually paying companies to use itanium :) [05:29:26] <ha1331> plan to dedicate it for apache until I get money for couple of them cheap sun x64 machines [05:29:28] <Plaidrab> Like Error says, you'll be fine with the factory install, just turn off any services you don't need [05:30:03] <ha1331> Plaidrab: ok, how do I install emacs in it= [05:30:04] <Plaidrab> Though I do wish someone would update the minimizing document for Sol10. :) [05:30:05] <ha1331> or nano [05:30:15] <eboutilier> ha1331: Do you have a Solaris sandbox where you can try stuff and not worry about breaking things? (Best way to learn IMO) [05:30:16] <Plaidrab> http://www.sunfreeware.com [05:30:26] <eboutilier> E.g. a cheap x86 box? [05:30:27] <ha1331> eboutilier: nope [05:30:28] <Plaidrab> Or is it org?:) [05:30:57] <Error_404> jbk, i wonder if HP would send me an itanic to get solaris running on it [05:31:12] <Plaidrab> :) [05:31:17] <jbk> haha [05:31:30] <eboutilier> I have an old Athlon box that sits aroun doing nothing half the time, but I love being able to fire it up and pound on it when I need to experiment ruthlessly and carelessly. [05:31:33] <Plaidrab> I wanna see Solaris running on my cube. It's a silly dream I have. [05:31:33] <Error_404> ha1331, there's also blastwave.org [05:31:42] <ha1331> how do I get those packages from the internet? [05:31:45] <Error_404> Plaidrab, cube? [05:31:52] <Plaidrab> Mac G4 Cube [05:31:57] <Error_404> oh... well, that's in the works [05:32:10] <Error_404> ha1331, blastwave works like apt [05:32:26] <Error_404> so "pkg-get install nano" [05:32:26] <Plaidrab> It's a really neat box. I hate not being able to use it. :) [05:32:35] <Error_404> Plaidrab, they were pretty sweet [05:32:46] <ha1331> Error_404: is it pre-installed`? [05:33:00] <Error_404> ha1331, no, you need to install pkg-get [05:33:09] <Plaidrab> I thought emacs and nano were standard compliment these days? [05:33:12] <ha1331> Error_404: how can I :D [05:33:35] <eboutilier> Plaidrab: They're on the Solaris Companion CD (still... unfortunately) [05:33:44] <eboutilier> I take that back, nano's not on the CCD. [05:33:52] <Error_404> http://www.blastwave.org/howto.html [05:34:03] <Plaidrab> Do you have any machines with NFS shares on the same network as the 240? [05:34:11] <ha1331> what tool can I use to actually transfer something to my machine? [05:34:14] <ha1331> Plaidrab: nope [05:34:14] <Error_404> you can use sftp to get things on to the machine [05:34:29] <ha1331> ok, that helps a lot [05:34:36] <Error_404> i think puTTY has an sftp client [05:34:45] <Error_404> (if you're on windows) [05:35:01] <ha1331> I'am, allso linux is availeable [05:35:12] <eboutilier> Why not scp? [05:35:31] <Error_404> eboutilier, *shrug* whatever [05:35:36] <Plaidrab> He might need to tip in to the serial on the first install. I forget the exact state that a 240 comes up in, but those are headless boxes by default. [05:36:03] <Plaidrab> Doesn't a fresh box do a sys_config on the first pass? [05:36:03] <ha1331> I have the ssh running already [05:36:20] <ha1331> even created user account for my self [05:36:28] <Plaidrab> I am really gonna have to look when we rack the next one up. :) [05:36:35] <ha1331> and that's about it :) [05:36:56] <Plaidrab> Ah, then yeah, you should be able to do just fine with scp/sftp [05:37:32] <Plaidrab> Did yours have a video card? [05:37:41] <ha1331> so, what can I expect from my v240, performance wise [05:37:52] <ha1331> no, I bought one of those terminals for 5e [05:38:02] <Plaidrab> Ah, perfect. [05:38:07] <Error_404> what terminals? [05:38:16] <ha1331> vt100 I think [05:38:19] <Plaidrab> Serial console terminal, I presume [05:38:23] <Error_404> oh, okay [05:38:38] <Plaidrab> Okay, that probably has 1.2ghz, but it might have 1.4s, IIRC. [05:38:38] <ha1331> basicly a box that seems to be a monitor and a keyboard [05:38:50] <ha1331> 1.5 IIIi [05:38:55] <ha1331> 2x [05:39:10] <Plaidrab> There you go. That's the current buildout, IIRC. [05:39:17] <ha1331> ok [05:39:52] <ha1331> I really dont know anything about sparcs, bought the machine cause I wanted to get reliable and fast server for my db [05:40:21] <Plaidrab> It should be pretty spiff. I really haven't worked on any server class hardware that wasn't Sparc, so I dunno what to compare it to. [05:40:50] <Error_404> you got a killer deal on that machine [05:41:00] <Error_404> 5,000$ us on anysystem [05:41:18] <Plaidrab> You have plenty of ram, so it shouldn't swap too much. Though the default swap on it is probably low. [05:41:27] <Plaidrab> I think we paid 8K for ours a few months back [05:41:35] <ha1331> It has 2 73G drives, it seems to me, that the os is installed to other one and the other one just sits there. Can I somehow build software raid stripe? [05:41:44] <ha1331> I'dd only need about 20g total [05:41:45] <Plaidrab> Mirror [05:42:39] <Plaidrab> There's a nice little package on the Sun Blueprints CD that I forget the name of that makes that painless [05:42:50] <ha1331> I want the speed more, we take frequent backups, and propably mirror the whe whole db on another machine [05:44:03] <Plaidrab> IME, the thing to do would be to mirror the boot disk to the other disk and stick the data on a pair of mirror disks in your other two bays. But you're on Sol10 now and the rules are prolly a little diff. : [05:45:30] <Plaidrab> I'd ask these other guys who are much quieter and far brighter than I am [05:45:58] <ha1331> ok, you propably know ton more than I, but I dont have the extra rails... I could get the disks, but the rails cost more than the disk here in finland [05:46:17] <ha1331> by rails I mean that thing you actually stick in to the machine [05:46:21] <ha1331> in to the bay [05:46:48] <Plaidrab> It's not just that, it's a locking mount. Those are hot swap drives. [05:47:11] <ha1331> I'd get 36G scsi for 139e, the mount costs about 250. [05:47:13] <ha1331> e [05:47:32] <Plaidrab> Are you sure that's not mount and drive? [05:47:39] <ha1331> sure [05:49:38] *** rpaulo_ has quit IRC [05:49:38] <Plaidrab> I'm not really sure you can put standard desks in those sleds. [05:49:49] <ha1331> they only sell 146 and 73g at sun.fi [05:50:02] <ha1331> and they are only 10000rpm [05:50:14] <ha1331> 73G is 460 [05:50:19] *** adcsi1123 has left #opensolaris [05:50:48] <ha1331> so two of those is almost the same that I paid for the whole box :) [05:51:23] <Plaidrab> Well, you did get an INSANELY good deal. [05:51:30] <Error_404> shouldn't it work assuming they're SCA drives? [05:51:35] <Plaidrab> .. only 10000 rpm... [05:52:03] <ha1331> well.... for 139e I could get 36g 15000rpm [05:52:32] <ha1331> and cause the storage is more than enough, that would be perfect for me [05:52:37] <Plaidrab> Error_404: I don't know. I've only once ever even pulled the sled off. [05:53:08] <ha1331> I would be totally amazed if that database would reach 20G in 100 years :) [05:54:16] <Plaidrab> You could just use a slice on the disks you have. You said you're backing up at least two ways? [05:54:53] <ha1331> can I stripe two slices on different disks? [05:55:03] <Plaidrab> certainly [05:55:10] <ha1331> oooh, thats nice [05:55:24] <ha1331> can I add third disk to the stripe later? [05:55:43] <ha1331> or third slice on a third disk? [05:56:04] <Plaidrab> I can't say for sure with ZFS, but you can with SVM. If you can't with ZFS now I'm sure you could by the time you needed it [05:56:42] <ha1331> and I can always just scrap the stripe and build new one with 3 slices [05:56:49] <Plaidrab> Right. [05:56:59] [05:57:12] <ha1331> sounds good [05:57:23] <Plaidrab> Just be sure break it correctly [05:57:51] <ha1331> /dev/dsk/c0t0d0s7 49G 50M 49G 1% /space [05:58:00] <ha1331> can I take some of that? [05:58:06] <ha1331> make it smaller? [05:58:23] <Plaidrab> Sure. [05:58:38] <Plaidrab> Reallocate with format. Just watch your cylinder bounderies. [05:58:54] <Plaidrab> format is not ( unless it's gotten better in 10 ) a terribly intuitive tool. [05:59:35] <ha1331> this all sounds so simple and straight forward, not used to it. Just lost 3disk raid array in linux... succed so bad [05:59:38] <ha1331> sucked [05:59:52] <Plaidrab> It's a little quirky, but not really hard. [06:00:10] <ha1331> that whole softraid in linux sux donkey testic.... [06:00:39] <Plaidrab> Solaris has been doing softraids for hmm A decade now? I forget when SDS came out. [06:01:03] <Plaidrab> They're pretty good at it by now. Having to scrap with and partner with and scrap with Veritas helped [06:01:38] <Plaidrab> Well, I should run. Wife is getting annoyed. :) [06:01:57] <Plaidrab> Good luck, and congrats on your great buy [06:01:59] <ha1331> Plaidrab: if that striping two slices is faster than one sata disk, it's advance to our current situation [06:02:04] <jamesd_> Plaidrab, run fast... they know how to throw things. [06:02:09] <jbk> if you play with zfs, everything else will seem... primitive [06:02:10] <ha1331> :) [06:02:13] <Plaidrab> Mine definately does [06:02:48] <Plaidrab> Those 240disks should feel faster than SATA2 drives, if I remember correctly. [06:04:13] <Error_404> i'm just waiting for zfs root [06:04:18] <ha1331> that striping it self and 10000rpm should atleast double it [06:04:21] <Error_404> err, zfs boot [06:04:30] <Error_404> then i'm going out to buy a stack of new disks [06:04:35] <ha1331> comparing to some basic 7200 sata [06:04:39] <Plaidrab> I was told zfs boot was very very close [06:04:51] <Error_404> quite probably [06:05:16] <Plaidrab> I think first quarter? Which I hope didn't mean fiscal quarter. :) [06:05:41] <jbk> well it's mostly working on x86.. dunno about sparc [06:05:51] <jbk> the big thing at this point is support in the installer i suspect [06:06:48] <Error_404> the bootloader's started supporting it recently? [06:06:51] <Plaidrab> Zfs is so sexy it makes me cry that I can't use it at work. [06:07:00] <Error_404> Plaidrab: why not? [06:07:44] <Error_404> (yes, i know... work computers aren't your computers) [06:07:45] <Plaidrab> Slow processes and security accreditidation shit. Same reason we don't run clustered services when we really, really should. Well, that and paying for the cluster blessing [06:08:04] <Plaidrab> Apologies on the mouth. I forget I'm on IRC some days [06:08:37] <Error_404> *shrug* [06:08:41] <Error_404> doesn't bother me any [06:09:06] <Plaidrab> Well, you never know where folks will be touchy and where folks will peg ya a pansy for being so polite. [06:09:08] <Plaidrab> :) [06:09:17] <gisburn> Plaidrab: no need to apologise today. An automated message has been send to your manager. you have to apologise on money - to him. [06:09:20] <gisburn> =:-) [06:09:46] <Plaidrab> My manager left and hasn't been replaced. And was an HP guy. so nyeah! [06:09:53] <gisburn> heh [06:09:54] <jbk> heh [06:10:00] <jbk> those still exist? :) [06:10:15] <Plaidrab> Sadly yes. My server room is polluted with Superdomes [06:10:25] * jbk hisses [06:10:29] <Plaidrab> It's a very multiplatform facility. [06:10:36] <jbk> heh [06:10:45] <jbk> what's amusing is we have several superdomes [06:10:58] <jbk> yet facilities pitched a major fit over 4 e25ks [06:11:15] <Plaidrab> That's only 8 footprints [06:11:35] <gisburn> jbk: where ? in the proving grounds where they test the new squad assauld rifles on static targets (=the domes) ? [06:11:36] <jbk> because of the space, power, and heat they take up [06:11:52] <jbk> no, running production stuff [06:12:20] <Plaidrab> 25Ks run niagra, yes? [06:12:25] <jbk> since one of our vendors insists (or rather i've been told was paid by HP) on requiring PH-UX for their software [06:12:34] <gisburn> Plaidrab: no [06:12:37] <jbk> niagra is the codename for the T1 chip [06:12:46] <jbk> which aren't supported in the 25ks [06:12:47] <Plaidrab> yes [06:12:59] <jbk> just US-III, IV, and IV+ [06:13:00] <gisburn> Plaidrab: SF25k is like SF15k but uses dual-code UltraSPARC-IV chips [06:13:01] <jbk> in the 25k [06:13:04] <Plaidrab> hmm. I thought I was told they had niagra boards now. [06:13:15] <jbk> no [06:13:18] <gisburn> Plaidrab: that were blades [06:13:21] <jbk> they do have a blade server [06:13:38] <gisburn> Plaidrab: SF25k is SMP-like monster server (okok, numa...) [06:13:48] <Plaidrab> I've been on 10ks. [06:14:16] <jbk> it's a bit like the 10ks, but they've made some improvements [06:14:17] <Plaidrab> 12s and 15s came out before my layoff, but I never set eyes on one in person [06:14:42] <jbk> the system controllers (aka ssps) are cleaner [06:14:48] <jbk> and io is on separate boards now [06:15:00] <Plaidrab> I'm told they fixed the midplan problem too [06:15:11] <jbk> and firmware doesn't have to be downloaded (at 300baud) to each board after poweron [06:15:19] <gisburn> Plaidrab: which problem ? [06:15:28] <Plaidrab> no redundancy. [06:15:41] <jbk> well it's completely passive [06:15:50] <jbk> it still requires a completely frame outage to replace [06:16:03] <gisburn> Plaidrab: please show me any E10k which failed for that. [06:16:21] <jbk> but i suspect if something happens to one part of it though, you can work around it (with some reduced capacity) [06:16:32] <Plaidrab> We killed a 10K once ( still during burn in ) cause we killed one. I didn't get a detailed explanation. I may even be misremembering. [06:16:52] <Plaidrab> Not a single board would come up, as a result. [06:18:01] <Plaidrab> It was in early 2000, so forgive me if the details are a little fuzzy. [06:18:04] * gisburn once kiled a E4500 [06:18:14] <gisburn> (accidently) [06:18:15] <Error_404> so i've decided a V100 is perfect for what I need it for. [06:18:18] <jbk> heh [06:18:29] <Plaidrab> heh [06:18:39] <jbk> our group's webserver is a v880 with a big dent in it from a forklift :) [06:19:43] <Plaidrab> zoomzoom [06:19:48] <Error_404> gisburn: oh, is that those pics you sent the other day? [06:20:00] <gisburn> Error_404: ?! [06:20:08] <gisburn> Error_404: which pics ? [06:20:16] <Error_404> oh... not you then [06:20:30] <Error_404> someone posted some pics of an E20k on its side in the parking lot somewhere [06:20:33] <gisburn> Error_404: the E4500 was screwed by external equipment connected via SCSI [06:20:36] <Error_404> fallen off a truck [06:21:09] <gisburn> Error_404: sort of power surge fried the whole box, coming from the lab equipment [06:21:58] <gisburn> Error_404: turned out that there was a tiny screw (~~2cm) which fused the high-voltage parts with the grounding of the SCSI bus. BOOM [06:24:49] <Jiko> Doc has some pictures of a E20k (or similar) on its side in a parking lot [06:25:09] <Error_404> yeah, that's who it was [06:36:51] *** gisburn has left #opensolaris [06:45:32] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [06:49:42] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [06:53:34] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC [07:26:15] *** bobbyz has quit IRC [07:29:34] *** root has joined #opensolaris [07:29:38] *** root is now known as darkcmd [07:30:55] *** darkcmd has quit IRC [07:33:44] <axisys> looking for a article (how-to) on analysing unix.0 and vmcore.0 after a sol 9 crash and reboot [07:34:20] <axisys> sent it to sun already .. but curious if i can do it myself while waiting for their report [07:38:06] <dwc-> mdb unix.0 vmcore.0 [07:39:17] <dwc-> there was a script of some sort that was supposed to help... [07:39:24] <dwc-> http://access1.sun.com/tools/MDeBug/README.html [07:42:06] <axisys> dwc-: thanks.. let me take a look [07:47:44] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [07:52:30] <axisys> i have seen this million times.. where most of the time either replace CPU or wait for another event in 24 hrs and then replace CPU [07:52:34] <axisys> [AFT2] No error found in ecache (No fault PA available C [07:52:37] <axisys> PU2, errID 0x0015dd09.df897ca [07:52:44] <axisys> oops.. damn wrapping [07:52:55] <axisys> [AFT2] No error found in ecache (No fault PA available CPU2, errID 0x0015dd09.df897ca [07:53:56] <axisys> those old netra 1125.. time to replace them [07:55:18] *** danmorg has quit IRC [07:55:39] <Error_404> axisys, you could give me the old one :D [08:02:32] *** ada has joined #opensolaris [08:26:52] <Error_404> why precisely is the version of postgres that ships with SX:CR not compiled with --with-dtrace or whatever [08:26:56] <Error_404> ? [08:28:20] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [08:33:07] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [08:33:19] <axisys> Error_404: i sure could if it did not belong to work ;-) [08:33:34] <Error_404> heh [08:34:16] <axisys> i am loving those T2000 that i get to play w/ now besides the ultra 20 that i receive as my own workstation [08:35:19] *** mlh has quit IRC [08:35:37] <Error_404> my only SPARC kit is a dying ultra2 with one of the old useless mice and topped out at 700 someodd megs of ram because one of the sockets is dead [08:35:54] <Error_404> also, a single 295mhz chip [08:36:43] <Error_404> when i can afford it i want to replace it with a netra 105 or sunfire v100 [08:40:21] * jmcp returns [08:42:10] <Error_404> hey jmcp [08:42:56] <jmcp> heyhey [08:45:15] <Burana> hello. What is the preferred locale, when setting up a server? I never really thought about it.... [08:45:26] <Burana> Is locale C enough? [08:45:53] <Plaidrab> I use C. [08:46:21] <jmcp> Burana: C is the default-as-spec'd-by-Posix iirc [08:46:31] <Burana> I remember, that C uses naturaly only 8-bit characters, and should be the fastest [08:46:49] <jmcp> what are you concerned about speed with a locale for? [08:47:41] <Error_404> now *that* is some microoptimization if i ever saw it [08:47:50] <Plaidrab> :) [08:48:09] <Error_404> I suppose if you were trying to get it to work on an ancient machine, it might concern you [08:48:09] <Burana> this whas about 15 years ago :-) [08:48:23] *** mlh has joined #opensolaris [08:48:24] <Error_404> 15 years isn't even ancient [08:48:31] <Error_404> i'm thinking pre-68k [08:48:36] <Burana> but when I made first contact with unix [08:49:25] * jmcp watches a re-run of the 4 Yorkshiremen Skit by Monty Python [08:50:18] <Burana> So, to reform my question, why should I not use any other than C? [08:50:52] <Error_404> POSIX i guess [08:50:55] <jmcp> Burana: is American 'English' your native language? [08:51:01] <Burana> nope [08:51:20] <Burana> But, usually I install all programs in american_english [08:51:34] <jmcp> so if you install a locale which matches your native language, then the majority of the error and informational messages will be printed in a natural language for you [08:51:45] <Burana> that's the reason [08:52:43] * jmcp nods [08:53:02] <jmcp> I speak Australian English, and install 'C' and 'en_AU' on my systems, with 'en_AU' as default [08:53:31] <jmcp> the other thing is that your currency and date/time system is different from the US, so you should keep that familiar [08:54:33] <Plaidrab> : demands en_OK [08:55:07] <Burana> for sysadm taks it is IMHO better to keep one standard format for all dates. Be it then american format [08:56:44] <Burana> jcmp: are your messages in "Strine"? :-) [08:57:21] *** gm152 has quit IRC [08:57:42] <jmcp> Burana: nope. Some people occasionally talk about getting a true Strine locale going though [08:58:05] <jmcp> Burana: Europeans and Australians do not appreciate having dates forced on them in US format. It is a cause of significant confusion [08:59:12] <Plaidrab> Strine? [08:59:29] <Burana> For users, of course the date should be localized... [09:03:07] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [09:05:47] *** kimc has quit IRC [09:06:14] *** boro has joined #opensolaris [09:07:53] <jmcp> Plaidrab: Australian English :) [09:07:56] <jmcp> colloquially [09:08:56] <Plaidrab> Hmm. Never heard that particular name for it [09:09:45] <Plaidrab> long I? [09:27:14] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [09:32:18] *** bougie has joined #opensolaris [09:38:40] <bougie> hello :p [09:41:45] *** deather__ is now known as deather [09:47:53] *** regx has joined #opensolaris [09:48:22] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [09:48:35] <jmcp> hi bougie [09:50:25] * dlg stretch [09:54:18] <regx> ok is there a place to get a walk through on setting up FTP? [09:54:45] <jmcp> regx: man ftpconfig [09:54:55] <regx> k [09:59:46] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [10:04:53] *** estibi has joined #opensolaris [10:10:06] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:52] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:15:00] *** loke has quit IRC [10:16:05] *** whaq|away has joined #opensolaris [10:19:26] <regx> hey can some one help me out with getting FTPd started.. i just cannot figure this crap out.. if i knew where the logs were i could try and detirmine why the service wont start [10:20:30] <jmcp> regx: svcs -xv [10:21:04] *** robg has joined #opensolaris [10:21:13] <jmcp> regx: I don't have ftp running on my laptop, as you can see from http://rafb.net/paste/results/hFoH9g89.html [10:21:38] <regx> wtf was that command supposed to show me? [10:21:43] <regx> it like doesnt make sence for some reason. [10:22:03] <jmcp> regx: wtf are you doing complaining about stuff when you haven't even rtfm? [10:22:12] <regx> im not complaining [10:22:23] <jmcp> sounds like it [10:22:31] <regx> and i have been rtfm'in im just frustrated cuz i cant seem to find the damn log file :( [10:22:42] <regx> i dont mean to sound like im complaining sorry [10:23:13] <jmcp> so the pointers to two separate manpages aren't enough for you? [10:23:24] <jmcp> do you understand what it is that kicks off an ftpd instance? [10:23:33] <jmcp> did you rtfm for ftpconfig like I suggested? [10:23:38] <regx> like what stops it you mean? [10:24:03] <regx> nm i see what your saying [10:24:50] <robg> Hi all... I'm trying to compile some C stuff on solaris and I got some basic questions if someone would be so kind as to endure my questions [10:25:26] <regx> jmcp: again i didnt mean to sound like i was complaining.. just frustrated is all.. hope we're cool [10:25:55] <robg> There is a line of code that checks to see what compiler is being used #if(defined(__SUNPRO_C)) [10:26:20] <jmcp> regx: I've found just using ftpconfig to be enough to get ftp setup properly [10:26:22] *** schily___ has joined #opensolaris [10:26:23] <jmcp> robg: [10:26:28] <jmcp> robg: and? [10:26:49] <regx> jmcp: is locate and whereis not in solaris? [10:26:50] <robg> What does the "defined" statement refer to? [10:27:18] <jmcp> regx: you mean the gnu utils? not by default [10:27:22] <boro> people, is sun's in.ftpd secure enough ? i decide between it and vsftpd [10:27:24] <robg> I don;t quite undersatnd the syntax [10:27:32] <jmcp> robg: sounds like you're not up to date with the C language [10:27:45] <regx> jmcp: could you be so kind as to tell me where the ftpconfig is? [10:27:48] <jmcp> robg: what do you think it means? [10:27:48] <robg> I haven;t done any programming in 20 years [10:27:51] <regx> /etc/ftpd/ doesnt have it [10:27:53] <jmcp> regx: /usr/sbin/ftpconfig [10:27:58] <regx> ok thanks man [10:27:59] <jmcp> it's a binary, not a config file [10:28:02] <jmcp> nowurries [10:28:14] <robg> is the variable __SUNPRO_C defined? [10:28:23] <regx> its a bin? [10:28:35] <regx> nm ill figure it out [10:28:50] <jmcp> robg: correct. [10:29:09] <robg> jmcp: In that case where/how does it get defined? [10:29:30] <jmcp> robg: that particular variable will be defined by the Sun C compiler [10:29:54] <jmcp> the converse is if you're using gcc, you'd see __GNUC or some variant thereof [10:30:25] <regx> ok im confused [10:30:46] <regx> all i wanna do is have a secure FTP server running that requires a username and passwd.. where shoudl i start ? [10:31:05] <regx> or can i use FTPD other than for anon ftp? [10:32:08] *** whaq has quit IRC [10:32:27] <robg> jcmp: Okay next question if I'm using an Athlon64 X2 what does the compiler set the cpu type as? I'm using -xarch=amd64 [10:32:50] <jmcp> regx: the manpage for ftpd answers those questions. look for "anon" and "auth" [10:32:57] <jmcp> robg: that's correct. [10:33:00] <regx> jmcp: thanks [10:33:04] *** whaq|away is now known as whaq [10:33:16] <whaq> hello everyone [10:33:33] <robg> the line of code says #elif(defined(__amd64) || defined(__amd64__)) [10:33:43] <robg> but it's note reaching it [10:33:46] <robg> but it's not reaching it [10:33:59] *** chily___s has quit IRC [10:34:06] <Doc> it's ans else, so what's the first conditions? [10:34:29] <robg> #if(defined(__i386__)) [10:35:07] <jmcp> robg: that's an "elif" aka 'else if' so ... what's the previous '#if' statement? [10:35:25] <jmcp> robg: what does the code segment do? [10:35:29] <robg> it's going past the if and elifs to a point further in the program [10:35:41] <jmcp> what's the package? [10:36:16] <robg> The point of this segment is to identify the cpu type to set the prefetch variables [10:36:37] <robg> it's not a package.. it's a piece of code from a guy I know [10:37:18] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:37:34] <robg> he problem here is that I do not know what the compiler is setting the CPU type to but it appears not to be __amd64 or __amd64__ [10:38:12] <robg> Could it possibly be __opteron or something else and how do I find this out? [10:38:37] <regx> im having a real off night.. can some one direct me to a place i can find and download software for OSOL? [10:38:44] <Doc> are you telling the compiler to compile it as 64 bit code? [10:38:53] <jmcp> regx: www.blastwave.org [10:39:08] <robg> By setting -xarch=amd64 I'm assuming that does it [10:39:22] <jmcp> robg: do you want or need it to be 64bit? [10:39:40] <Fish> hello [10:40:04] <robg> jmcp: definately want it 64bit.. it's software forcalculating mersenne primes which requires heaps of FP [10:40:20] <regx> jmcp: so just pkgadd <filename.tar.gz> ? [10:40:43] <robg> and the opteron FP is far more powerful in 64bit mode as it opens upn alot more registers [10:40:48] <whaq> Can anyone tell me where to download b52? The link points to b50 [10:41:15] <jmcp> regx: go and read the site info, you need the "pkgget" utility first [10:42:12] <jmcp> robg: are you able to share that code with us? [10:42:21] <robg> yep [10:42:30] <robg> jcmp: how do you want it sent? [10:43:33] <jmcp> robg: how big is it? [10:43:46] <robg> jcmp: just over 1MB [10:44:41] <jmcp> got a handy website? [10:45:00] <robg> yeah hold on gimme a minute [10:46:40] *** olo has joined #opensolaris [10:47:05] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [10:47:10] <Triskelios> whaq: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/ [10:47:19] <Triskelios> change the link to say b52 if it still says b51 [10:47:40] <robg> jcmp: http://www.onslowkids.wellington.net.nz/other/ [10:47:45] <jmcp> ta [10:47:50] <robg> It's there now [10:48:16] *** knightblader has quit IRC [10:48:34] * jmcp downloads [10:49:11] <boyd> Hey all [10:49:11] <jmcp> hich file are we talking about? [10:49:14] <jmcp> hi boyd [10:49:19] <robg> jcmp: Thx for your help. This is a pet project of mine to get the solaris binaries done, however my tech skills are a little dated. Gimme COBOL any day ;-) [10:50:07] <axxl> good morning from germany @ all [10:50:16] <robg> Guten tag [10:50:39] <jmcp> robg: I just had a "duh!" moment .... you need to pass "-D__amd64" in your $CFLAGS [10:50:41] <jmcp> :) [10:50:50] <jmcp> cobol? eeeeek! [10:50:54] * jmcp runs away from the recidivist [10:51:03] <jmcp> axxl: guten tag [10:51:23] <robg> Or I could whip out my Wang VS assembly skills ! [10:51:27] <boyd> Guten Morgen [10:51:49] <axxl> seems we have a lot of german speaking Solarianer ;-) [10:51:50] <boyd> How come we're all pulling out or limited German... except the Germans :) [10:52:17] <boyd> Ich bin ein Solariener :) [10:52:25] <jmcp> robg: /me screams and runs further [10:52:52] <jmcp> axxl: it's interesting that most people I come across seem to know a few words of lots of languages [10:52:56] <boyd> robg: Was that a unique thing or an IBM clone? [10:53:06] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [10:53:52] <sickness> jmcp: that's supposedly easier than learn every full language :P [10:53:59] <robg> boyd: Wang was once a large computer company in it's own right with a nice series of mini computers (ojkay I'm a dinosaur) [10:54:13] <robg> Gman: Hey fellow Kiwi ;-) [10:54:16] *** Byron has joined #opensolaris [10:54:32] <Gman> hey rob! [10:54:39] <boyd> robg: Sure, I actually was thinking of big-iron, not PCs... I saw a few wang office installs a few years ago [10:54:47] <jmcp> sickness: that's my experience so far [10:54:54] <sickness> yeah, mine too :) [10:55:23] <jmcp> sickness: I'm finding that the more days I'm here in Beijing, the more Mandarin / Putonghua I remember from highschool.... which is spinning me out a bit [10:55:45] <sickness> jmcp: cool, you studied chinese in high school?!? [10:56:03] <sickness> jmcp: here we don't have that! only in some few college schools [10:56:05] <jmcp> boyd: I'm pretty sure the VS was not an IBM clone, though it might have been if the as400 had come along earlier [10:56:12] <axxl> jmcp: I think this is a good way to better language-knowledge, but my english-teacher was hoorified about my slang sometimes ;-) [10:56:19] <jmcp> sickness: yup. 6 years, promptly 95%forgotten after the exam [10:56:24] <jmcp> axxl: ha! [10:56:43] <boyd> I remember no Mandarin from school. But then we didn't study it. We *did* do Latin, which will be handy the next time I'm working in Ancient Rome. [10:56:43] <jmcp> axxl: there's school-correct, and streetwise-correct, in my experience [10:56:44] <sickness> jmcp: cool anyway... I did the same with deutsch :/ [10:56:58] <sickness> boyd: omglol :) [10:57:03] <axxl> I learned russioan for seven years, the only I can is: ja nje snaju [10:57:52] <sickness> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=wang+computer&btnG=Search+Images <- wang :P [10:57:53] <boyd> I can order competently in Italian... ya gotta eat :) [10:57:56] *** olo has left #opensolaris [10:57:59] <jmcp> boyd: it killed the ancient Romans, and now it's killing me! [10:58:09] <jmcp> boyd: that, indeed, is essential [10:58:12] <sickness> jmcp: lol [10:58:30] <sickness> what about paying with the euros? :P [10:58:41] *** Byron has left #opensolaris [10:59:05] <boyd> sickness: lol... one of those images was on this page: http://www.vard.org/jour/00/37/4/wang.htm [10:59:11] *** dedalus has joined #opensolaris [10:59:17] <sickness> it took me some time to get comfortable with... there's still people here talking with the previous money :P [10:59:46] *** Byron has joined #opensolaris [11:00:12] <sickness> boyd: lol cool :) [11:00:43] <jmcp> sickness: I found that really handy, actually [11:00:46] <robg> jmcp: added the flag with no success ;-( [11:00:59] <jmcp> robg: what was your exact cc line? [11:01:19] <jmcp> and what indicates "no success" to you? .... so I know what exactly what to look for [11:01:52] <robg> cc -o Mlucas -fast -xarch=amd64 -D__amd64 -fsimple=1 *.c [11:02:33] <jmcp> which cc? [11:02:40] <robg> I added a #error line after the if to print out a message that it had reached there [11:02:48] <robg> suncpro 5.8 [11:03:14] <dedalus> does anybody managed to install and run oracle 10g on solaris 10 with mem < 512 ? [11:03:34] <jmcp> dedalus: only if you remove the jvm options, and *really* tweak things, see metalink.oracle.com for help on that [11:03:55] <boyd> And a LOT of swap or it wont install at all [11:04:50] <jmcp> robg: one of the problems - to me - appears to be that there is an assumption that the only valid cpu for __sun is sparc. this is incorrect ;) [11:05:14] <robg> jcmp: I though that bit looked dodgy [11:05:18] <dedalus> i managed to install sowftware - but when creating db...., as said swaps like hell and forever... [11:05:39] <jmcp> dedalus: add more ram, that's the only solution [11:06:18] <robg> jcmp: but I don;t think it even gets the amd64 bit right in the platform.h part [11:07:18] <dedalus> thats bad news I had a hope that disabling some functionality and shrinking sga, pga ... and so on will help [11:07:53] <dedalus> could it not be set on OS project level, I mean resource allocation for Oracle [11:07:56] <jmcp> dedalus: probably will, but here is not the place to ask. you should be investigating metalink [11:08:08] <jmcp> dedalus: sga is an oracle thing, not solaris [11:08:17] <jmcp> robg: it doesn't appear to, imho [11:08:57] <dedalus> right imcp but it uses shm [11:09:25] <jmcp> dedalus: I don't think you're quite understanding my point [11:10:14] <robg> I have another thing I could do with some help with.. no laughing please. My Solaris box is currentlky in the basement and I'm using a WinXP notebook in my room and I currently have to run down to the basement to do anything on the Solaris box (waits for roars of laughter). I guess I should be able to SSH into the box from my windows machine but I have no idea how to do this. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks [11:10:20] <jmcp> robg: changing line #91 in platform.h to #elif(defined(sun)) appears to resolve the OS_TYPE errors [11:10:42] <jmcp> robg: google for "putty.exe" [11:11:12] <sickness> robg: yeah, try putty [11:11:46] <jmcp> however, once you've got the OS_TYPE resolved, you still need to go in and define some Sun C-specific assembler inline functions to match the gnu versions [11:11:51] <axxl> robg: perhaps you can use cygwin? [11:12:23] <axxl> I think tahn you have ssh in your Win [11:12:26] <sickness> I use the cygwin ssh.exe too, but then you're a bit limited in the cmd prompt... [11:12:55] <sickness> putty is a much better unix terminal emulator than the standard win32 cmd "dos prompt" =) [11:14:25] <axxl> jmcp: you can use SGD (tarantella) [11:14:55] <axxl> sorry, this should talked to robg [11:15:30] <jmcp> axxl: true, true ... but not everybody is fortunate enough to have a license for sgd yet [11:15:38] <jmcp> axxl: I am so blessed though :) [11:16:25] *** Burana has quit IRC [11:16:26] <axxl> jmcp: I think you don't need a license, is free for private use? [11:16:56] <robg> Cool. Okay I'm now in vis SSH (no more running out in the rain!) [11:17:16] <jmcp> axxl: you still needed a license key last time I checked [11:18:17] <axxl> jmcp: I have to take a look - the workshop is a little eternity ago ;-) [11:18:31] <robg> jcmp: Whats the && mean? [11:19:01] <jmcp> robg: where? [11:19:06] * jmcp hunts around for context [11:19:19] <jmcp> oh, "&&" is logical-and [11:19:35] <jmcp> ie, (A && B) is true if both (A is true) and (B is true) [11:19:44] <jmcp> "&" is bitwise and [11:19:53] <robg> jcmp: Is that line 91? [11:20:16] <boyd> .. and of course, in C, true is defined as non-zero [11:21:40] <robg> JCMP: Sorry vi doesn;t give me the line number [11:22:10] <jmcp> vi +91 platform.h doesn't work for you? [11:22:25] <jmcp> no, that's not line 91. line 91 has the "sparc.*sun" stuff [11:23:09] <robg> okay I just leaarnt something ;-) [11:25:10] *** Gman has quit IRC [11:25:21] <jmcp> not from me [11:25:22] <jmcp> :) [11:31:35] *** Griffous has left #opensolaris [11:32:00] *** Griffous has joined #opensolaris [11:33:49] *** regx has quit IRC [11:35:11] *** sunnyDay has joined #opensolaris [11:42:27] *** Griff has joined #opensolaris [11:42:28] *** Griffous has quit IRC [11:48:52] *** logic has joined #opensolaris [11:53:58] <robg> JCMP: ru a sun guy? [11:55:39] <robg> jcmp: If so me = 139250 [11:56:08] <jmcp> robg: I am, but I'm offswan right now [11:56:27] <jmcp> I'm in Beijing at the moment [11:56:40] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [11:57:01] <robg> jcmp: Cool rotation or quick trip? [11:57:44] <jmcp> quick trip to meet the rest of the team I'm kinda-sorta leading [11:57:55] <jmcp> I've got another 2 weeks here before I head back to Sydney [11:58:18] <robg> I'm in Wellington [11:58:55] <jmcp> aww [11:58:56] <jmcp> :) [11:58:57] * jmcp teases [11:59:20] <robg> no XXXX for you then ;-) [11:59:40] <jmcp> robg: and I'm a Queenslander, too! [11:59:49] <robg> lol [12:00:08] <jmcp> robg: the qingdao draft beer is kinda acceptable, but fairly tasteless. the stuff in the green cans is worse though [12:00:57] <robg> I asume you're not refering to VB [12:01:00] *** logic_ has joined #opensolaris [12:01:02] <jmcp> robg: hellno [12:01:14] <jmcp> robg: VB is just good enough to cook with, but that's about it [12:01:41] <robg> jcmp: I'm quite partial to VB [12:03:08] <jmcp> robg: I've been told that it's brewed locally in each state where it's sold, so no doubt an actual Victorian would have a different opinion of it [12:03:09] * jmcp shrugs [12:03:16] <robg> jcmp: Okay I've been playing around and I'm still getting to the end of the prefetch.h file without it hitting the amd64/sunc prefetch bits [12:03:16] <g4lt-mordant> show me peek() in VB and I'll grant you th eB part [12:03:19] <jmcp> it would be better than Qingdao though [12:03:22] * jmcp snorts [12:03:50] <jmcp> robg: hm. hang on a sec [12:04:37] <robg> Changing line 91 in platform.h got through that okay but not gettng through prefecth.h [12:04:59] <g4lt-mordant> why ar you changing a h file for BASIC?! [12:05:23] <robg> jcmp: I do have the correct prefetch code (and associated .il file) [12:05:26] <g4lt-mordant> BASIC hgad no includes [12:05:27] <jmcp> g4lt-mordant: have a look at your logs ...we're talking about c code for mersenne primes [12:05:51] <robg> jcmp: but it's not even getting that far [12:06:04] <g4lt-mordant> jmcp, that's too easy. try INTERCAL at least ;P [12:06:31] <robg> jcmp: Bart S gave me the good stuff on the prefetch for 64bit amd many moons ago [12:06:35] *** andersmo has quit IRC [12:06:42] <jmcp> robg: nice. BartS is atrue guru [12:06:47] *** andersmo has joined #opensolaris [12:07:01] <jmcp> robg: so ... are you getting lots of "imul_macro.h", line 105: #error: unknown compiler for AMD64. [12:07:02] <jmcp> cc: acomp failed for radix26_ditN_cy_dif1.c [12:07:03] <jmcp> ? [12:07:45] <robg> jcmp: No ... "prefetch.h", line 510: #error: No platform-specific prefetch block found in prefetch.h! [12:08:08] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [12:08:24] <jmcp> we must have diverged source trees then [12:08:27] <robg> but I am also getting the acomp failure [12:09:39] <jmcp> what do you have in the .il file? [12:09:40] <robg> This is really early code (first cut he sent me). I'm just trying to sort out the solaris/amd64 specific problems. [12:10:12] *** logic has quit IRC [12:10:18] <robg> jcmp: .inline _sunprefetch,4 [12:10:31] <robg> jcmp: prefetchw - (%rdi) [12:10:39] <robg> jcmp: .end [12:11:02] <robg> jcmp: oops should read prefetchw 0 (%rdi) [12:11:15] * jmcp nods [12:11:49] <robg> but it is not getting past the elif(defined(CPU_TYPE_AMD64) && defined(COMPILER_TYPE_SUNC)) [12:11:52] <jmcp> I'm not up to date on the actual syntax / semantics of assembler inlines unfortunately, but can you include that directly @ line 105 in imul_macro.h ? [12:12:09] <jmcp> that's because of the "#error" line [12:13:20] <robg> jcmp: I don;t know about the inline... beyond my skills [12:13:23] <jmcp> robg: change the contents of that #else case to read if (!(defined(__SUNPRO_C)) [12:13:23] <jmcp> #error unknown compiler for AMD64. [12:13:23] <jmcp> #endif [12:13:24] <jmcp> if (!(defined(__SUNPRO_C)) [12:13:25] <jmcp> #error unknown compiler for AMD64. [12:13:25] <jmcp> #endif [12:13:26] <jmcp> rather [12:14:17] * jmcp coughs [12:14:30] <jmcp> that should be #if (!(defined(__SUNPRO_C)) of course :) [12:15:15] <jmcp> with another closing paren, and then you'll need to figure out a way to get the .il stuff in there. I suggest docs.sun.com's book for the compiler [12:17:00] <robg> jcmp: which file/line is that? [12:17:51] <robg> do you mean change COMPILER_TYPE_SUNC to __SUNPRO_C ? [12:18:30] <jmcp> no, this is in imul_macro.h. wrap the line that starts #error in the above #if...#endif [12:22:23] <robg> jcmp: ahhh.. so currently if it see amd64 cpu type and not GCC then it's going to error [12:24:00] <robg> jcmp: correct? [12:24:58] <jmcp> correct [12:28:12] <robg> jmcp: Thx for your help so far. I'm going to call it a night for now. I'll pass the identified changes back to the developer. Cheers [12:28:46] <jmcp> you're welcome [12:28:47] <jmcp> gnite [12:28:54] *** robg has quit IRC [12:31:52] *** Byron has left #opensolaris [12:35:05] *** Burana has joined #opensolaris [12:42:55] *** Byron has joined #opensolaris [12:43:54] <jmcp> \ [12:43:59] * jmcp finally posts his weekend blog entry [12:47:38] <richlowe> slacker :) [12:50:32] <jmcp> richlowe: it's taken me 4 solid hours to compose [12:50:46] <jmcp> so it's probably time for a bit of dinner [12:51:16] <Doc> 4 hours? you need a life [12:51:28] <jmcp> Doc: look who's talking! [12:51:54] <jmcp> Doc: I haven't written anything about the wine appreciation dinner I went to on Friday evening, either [12:51:54] <Doc> mine only took about 10 minutes [12:51:59] <jmcp> Doc: heh [12:54:00] * jmcp wanders off to get some dinner [12:54:04] <jmcp> back laterish [12:55:23] <Doc> Sun VPN doesnt work under vista :( [12:56:33] <tomww> cisco might provide an update to its vpn-client... [12:56:46] <Doc> yah.. apparently they havent yet [12:57:27] *** Zenius has joined #opensolaris [12:58:14] <tomww> Doc: do you like vista or do you "have to use" vista :-) ? Or, just interested to see it ? [12:58:26] <Doc> installed it a few hours ago to play with it [12:58:43] <Doc> so far i dont dislike it... [12:59:18] <Doc> other than the fact that my headphone socket doesnt work - cuts out the speaker, but doesnt send any sound to the headphones [13:00:04] <Zenius> Go Control Panel - [13:00:13] <tomww> its a socket with a mechanical switch to cut the internal speakers? [13:00:24] <Zenius> Fonts -> Install new fonts. Same Windows 3.1 interface :) [13:00:25] <Doc> apparently not [13:01:07] <Doc> it worked fine under XP [13:01:47] <tomww> hmm. different audio-output devices/output-channels/soundcards to select in this magic multimedia control panel mabye.. [13:02:52] *** regx has joined #opensolaris [13:04:32] <Doc> tried that... couldnt find anything relevant [13:04:39] *** stefanp has joined #opensolaris [13:04:42] <stefanp> hey all [13:05:38] <tomww> Doc: how many soundcards does the multimedial-control panel offer? [13:06:12] <Doc> one [13:06:40] <tomww> (i have no vista, but know the problem of more than one (virtuel) soundcard to be selectet, but the dead one is selected) [13:06:57] <Doc> ahh.. think i've got it now [13:07:07] <Doc> it was disabled, and it doesnt show disabled ones by default [13:07:37] <Doc> thanks :) [13:12:14] <tomww> :-) [13:12:17] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris [13:18:14] *** joe7d6 has joined #opensolaris [13:19:31] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [13:21:58] * tomww lunchtime [13:29:12] *** bobbyz has quit IRC [13:29:19] <regx> what do you guys think of this microsoft bullshit going on with linux? [13:29:52] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [13:29:54] <LeftWing> Same as any other Microsoft bullshit. ;P [13:30:18] <regx> why doesnt the govt or someone step in and finally tell these assholes to knock thier shit off. [13:30:37] <regx> its just out right obsurd now.. they are so childish its not even funny [13:30:51] <LeftWing> What you see as childish they see as a perfectly valid business model. [13:31:08] <regx> we need like a huge rally or somthing to happen [13:31:40] <regx> and you know this is all steve balmers idea [13:31:41] * Tpent1 wonders why folks are discussing microsoft on #Opensolaris [13:32:00] <regx> ... its a topic relating to computers? are we not alowd to talk about this? [13:32:15] <Tpent1> it's a topic that's designed to polarise [13:32:18] <richlowe> Hey Tpent1. [13:32:21] <regx> hM? [13:32:22] *** bobbyz has joined #opensolaris [13:32:23] <jmcp> regx: we prefer to stick to (Open)Solaris topics here [13:32:35] <richlowe> Tpent1: it reduces glare? :) [13:32:40] <LeftWing> Tpent1: I'm displaying my low-impedance earth connection. ;P [13:32:40] <regx> ah ok.. was just trying to make convo since no one was talking [13:32:43] <regx> figured it would be ok [13:32:46] <jmcp> and unless MS has done something which has a direct impact on (Open)Solaris, ..... stay the heck away from it [13:33:07] <jmcp> regx: nah, we just weren't talking cos we don't like you :) [13:33:09] * jmcp snorts [13:33:10] <Tpent1> regx, the problem is that it's a topic on which everyone probably has an opinion, but discussion of it will generally end up causing flamage [13:33:15] <regx> jmcp, :( [13:33:19] <LeftWing> haha jmcp [13:33:24] <jmcp> regx: I'm joking of course [13:33:27] <regx> Tpent1, lol very true [13:33:36] * regx wipes away his tears [13:33:45] <jmcp> hope they were tears of laughter [13:33:51] <LeftWing> You're either preaching to the converted or to the heathens -- nobody is going to change their opinions based on such a discussion. [13:33:52] <regx> lol [13:34:09] <regx> LeftWing, was just merely conversing.. [13:34:23] * LeftWing throws more loaded religious terms at regx. [13:34:28] <regx> lmao what [13:34:49] <LeftWing> Oh nevermind. =P [13:35:07] <regx> heehee [13:35:16] <regx> its 5:30AM im kinda loopy [13:35:29] <LeftWing> Tpent1: I become a full-time UNIX admin tomorrow. =P [13:35:34] <Tpent1> cool [13:35:43] <LeftWing> For the three months until semester begins again, anyhow. [13:35:46] <regx> LeftWing, awsome [13:36:05] <regx> brb yall [13:36:21] <LeftWing> Gracious as the University is. [13:36:28] <sunnyDay> I have a question which might seem a little theoretical, regarding block and character devices : in solris "Writing Device Drivers" , chapter 2 , it says : "Drivers can be implemented to operate on both types. (block and character) For example, disk drivers export a [13:36:29] <sunnyDay> character interface for use by the fsck(1) and mkfs(1) utilities, and a block interface for use by the file system." Why does fsck and mkfs use character interface and not a block interface ? [13:37:20] <sunnyDay> (and I was just wondering: is it the same in linux - does anybody perhaps knows?) [13:41:29] *** joe7d6 has left #opensolaris [13:42:51] <jmcp> sunnyDay: I can't think of a good answer, except "historical" [13:43:11] * Tpent1 suspects it has something to do with not bufferring data before it goes to disk [13:43:30] <jmcp> Tpent1: yeah, that could have something to do with it [13:44:27] <sunnyDay> jmcp, thnks; any idea if it is the same in linux regarding fsck and mkfs (namely using character interface)? [13:44:36] <Tpent1> probably [13:44:42] <dlg> i dont think it is [13:44:54] <dlg> they only reference /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX in all their commands [13:45:05] <boyd> I don't think linux makes a separation [13:45:08] <boyd> Night all [13:45:23] <LeftWing> Linus hates raw devices. [13:45:32] <jmcp> sunnyDay: no idea [13:45:33] <jmcp> boyd: gnite [13:48:50] *** Risky has joined #opensolaris [13:51:38] * Tpent1 heads off to bed too [13:52:41] <LeftWing> Night, Tpent1. [13:53:23] <jmcp> gnite [13:55:47] *** fik has quit IRC [13:58:14] *** vChe has joined #opensolaris [13:58:45] *** crash| has joined #opensolaris [13:59:26] *** Zenius has quit IRC [14:00:55] *** regx has quit IRC [14:01:44] <Doc> hmm.. wtf am i getting 1MB/sec out of samba [14:02:14] <jmcp> and you're expecting how much? [14:03:09] <LeftWing> Samba is quite capable of saturating the wire. [14:03:12] <LeftWing> at 100Mbit anyway. [14:03:25] <jmcp> Doc: is this with vista? [14:03:34] <Doc> nah.. 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[14:45:01] <PerterB> knock up a PAM module? or, not 100%secure but quicker, call net-snmp from root's .profile (but only if attached to a tty or you'll get traps from cron jobs and rc.d scripts) [14:45:02] <dedalus> snmp of course [14:46:17] <dedalus> could kick out anything using logging profiles, but it should stay more secure [14:48:33] <dedalus> with ssh and lom as main logging methodes [14:50:17] <dedalus> bsm is overusing sys resources so need something smaller watching only syscalls directly for root logins [14:52:16] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [14:52:48] <_william_> hi all [14:52:53] <dedalus> for ssh could use tcpip wrapper but how to do find a way for lom access [15:07:32] *** dedalus has quit IRC [15:07:36] *** dedalus has joined #opensolaris [15:07:56] <dedalus> mn [15:08:01] *** dedalus has quit IRC [15:09:02] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [15:10:06] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [15:10:28] *** dedalus has joined #opensolaris [15:13:21] *** dedalus has quit IRC [15:16:31] *** gusto has quit IRC [15:16:54] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [15:25:11] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [15:27:26] *** vChe has quit IRC [15:30:19] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [15:31:48] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [15:34:15] *** crash| has quit IRC [15:37:24] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [15:37:53] *** sunnyDay has quit IRC [16:03:51] *** movement has quit IRC [16:11:41] *** jbk_ has joined #opensolaris [16:11:44] *** jbk has quit IRC [16:12:05] *** movement has joined #opensolaris [16:15:45] *** Jiko_ has joined #opensolaris [16:18:19] *** Fish has quit IRC [16:21:07] *** bougie_ has joined #opensolaris [16:26:08] *** Jiko has quit IRC [16:31:30] *** eugene has joined #opensolaris [16:36:01] *** bougie has quit IRC [16:38:47] *** kloczek has quit IRC [16:42:17] *** rpaulo has joined #opensolaris [16:43:08] *** SymmHome has joined #opensolaris [16:47:06] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [16:50:32] *** avr has quit IRC [16:50:32] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris [16:50:59] *** gm152 has quit IRC [16:55:37] *** dunc has quit IRC [16:58:23] *** Odin- has joined #opensolaris [17:01:00] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [17:05:36] *** vertigo_ has joined #opensolaris [17:12:43] *** mikaeld has quit IRC [17:25:16] *** loke has quit IRC [17:38:04] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [17:55:39] *** [1]BigBadHoss has joined #opensolaris [17:56:48] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [17:57:51] *** crash| has joined #opensolaris [18:00:18] *** movement has quit IRC [18:00:50] *** movement has joined #opensolaris [18:02:01] *** ssam has joined #opensolaris [18:02:37] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [18:02:49] <gisburn> !seen alhopper [18:02:52] *** tomhas has joined #opensolaris [18:02:54] <Drone> AlHopper (AlHopper!n=chatzill at logical dot logical-approach.com) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 14 Jun 2006 20:17 GMT, saying 'stefanp: it's becoming an increasing issue ... some Northbridges are already dissipating 20Watts ... and rising!'. [18:03:17] * gisburn grumbles... [18:04:01] *** ssam has left #opensolaris [18:09:33] *** BigBadHoss has quit IRC [18:09:34] *** [1]BigBadHoss is now known as BigBadHoss [18:09:48] *** jamesd_ is now known as jamesd [18:09:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [18:12:28] *** Axposf has joined #opensolaris [18:12:36] <Axposf> hi all :) [18:12:51] <whaq> hey Axposf [18:20:29] <whaq> i'm installing solaris express on an athlon x2 based machine w/ a couple of SATA drives. Can i install it to raid-1? [18:20:41] <whaq> (software raid i meant) [18:23:14] <Error_404> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/jsp/descFile.jsp?url=descAll/boot_disk_mirroring [18:24:43] <Error_404> took google .3 seconds to find about 861,000 results for "solaris boot disk mirroring" [18:24:53] <Plaidrab> :) [18:25:28] <Error_404> it took someone on IRC 8 minutes to respond [18:25:40] <Error_404> google is more efficient than asking on IRC [18:25:56] <Axposf> :-) [18:26:07] <Plaidrab> Sometimes. Not always. [18:26:50] <Error_404> for simple queries it is [18:26:58] <gisburn> Error_404: then please Google the answer why the ksh93-intgreation putback still needs so much time ? [18:27:27] <whaq> Error_404, much appreciated mate. I was using using other keywords like 'raid-1 root install' to no avail.. [18:27:29] <Error_404> gisburn: you already know the answer to that, and it's because ksh93 breaks things, if I understand it correctly [18:30:50] *** boxix has quit IRC [18:35:27] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [18:39:31] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. where are you guys and gals installing your self-build packages to? a mixture of /opt/local and per package /opt directories, e.g. /opt/tor? [18:39:45] <twincest> i use /usr/local for things i build myself [18:39:51] <twincest> /opt for vendor packages [18:40:07] <Plaidrab> What he said [18:40:24] *** sunnyDay has joined #opensolaris [18:40:57] <OnkelSchorsch> so you don't build from src and then make a svr4 package out of it? [18:41:12] <OnkelSchorsch> and you only build software in the global zone? [18:41:21] <OnkelSchorsch> aeh, i mean install. [18:43:24] *** andrei has joined #opensolaris [18:45:06] *** andrei has quit IRC [18:47:13] <Plaidrab> okay. I seem to have a gcc vs SunCC issue here. I'm building lib goffice which has a few instances of void functions returning code. SunCC does NOT like this and pitches an error. [18:48:51] <PerterB> how can a void function return anything? [18:50:07] <PerterB> and if gcc accepts that, it sounds like another incompatible gccism.... [18:50:15] <gisburn> PerterB: maybe gcc was written for another universe with a sentient void... [18:50:40] <PerterB> there are certainly days where it seems that way [18:52:13] <gisburn> PerterB: now we should be able to use that gcc universe and drain some zero-point energy from it (and I don't care if it destroys that universe if it benefits ours... less gcc - more energy!) ... [18:52:55] * gisburn wonders whether PerterB watches Stargate Atlantis... [18:53:09] <PerterB> errrm, no [18:54:04] <Plaidrab> I'm being told it's perfectly valid C. [18:55:01] <gisburn> who said that ? Channel #gcc ? [18:55:36] <Plaidrab> #gnumeric. The problem is in libgoffice and they are responsible for it. Claims it worked even in K&R. [18:55:41] <Plaidrab> I assumed it was some C99ism. [18:56:00] <Plaidrab> Since no one really uses C99 except where convieniant - at least IME [18:56:21] *** rpaulo_ has joined #opensolaris [18:56:24] <PerterB> K&R was pretty lax about such things, no function prototypes etc.... I would be very surprised if the ANSI standard allowed it as its meaning is undefined [18:57:15] <PerterB> what do these people who say it's valid C say it means? [18:57:24] <Plaidrab> Now that I didn't ask. [18:58:44] <sickness> gisburn: pong! [18:59:19] <gisburn> sickness: 22h too late... ;-( [18:59:25] <gisburn> sickness: ... anyway... :-) [18:59:32] <sickness> gisburn: we have an optimum latency I see... :P [18:59:43] <gisburn> sickness: glwwwww.... ;-/ [18:59:57] <gisburn> sickness: I fixed the problem in the meantime myself by hand. [19:00:19] <sickness> gisburn: omg I was booting now but it keeps rebooting, something bad should be happened to the fs... [19:00:41] <sickness> gisburn: when could we upgrade that machine to something like b52? =) [19:03:11] <PerterB> Plaidrab: having said all that, it should probably just cause a compiler warning rather than an error unless compiling in strict mode (but in my opinion, any release quality software *should* compile in strict mode) [19:03:53] <Plaidrab> I was compiling in whatever mode the configure script felt was needed. Heh [19:04:37] *** rpaulo has quit IRC [19:04:55] <Plaidrab> My guess is it was a lazy-coding shortcut that probably shouldn't be used even if legal [19:05:11] <gisburn> sickness: I would prefer an upgrade to B51 to match our current tree... [19:05:14] <Plaidrab> Is there a reason Nevada's pkg-config is so stale? [19:05:21] <sickness> gisburn: k [19:05:30] <sickness> gisburn: that's feasible, I still have b51 iso :) [19:05:41] <PerterB> more likely someone changed the function from int foo() to void foo() at some point but didn't clean up all the returns [19:05:59] <sickness> anyway, I'm fsck'ing just now... [19:06:15] <Plaidrab> SunCC didn't like a lot of their casts too. I fixed a couple but got "IRC-glared" at for mentioning it. [19:07:50] <PerterB> the problem is that gcc encourages sloppy coding by having it's extensions switched on by default and emitting warnings rather than errors for most issues.... and then when another compiler is stricter the linux weenies all just to gcc's defence [19:08:07] <PerterB> s/just/jump/ :) [19:09:22] <Plaidrab> Stricter code is good. Even if more annoying/more work [19:09:59] <PerterB> I believe so... the impact of a bug is much smaller if it's picked up by the compiler rather than causing an error at runtime [19:10:00] *** whaq has quit IRC [19:16:49] *** Wisier has joined #opensolaris [19:16:53] <Wisier> hello [19:16:58] <Wisier> i have a big problem [19:17:02] <Wisier> anyone can help me? [19:17:08] *** rpaulo_ is now known as rpaulo [19:17:09] <Wisier> i get strange message box [19:17:36] <PerterB> you're going to need to tell us a bit more than that..... [19:18:17] <Wisier> i says: PerterB is a dog lover, he sodomized the family chiwawa at 12 years old and when his grandma catch him, he started to penetrate her [19:18:22] <Wisier> can you help ? [19:18:35] <gisburn> uhm [19:18:39] *** gisburn is now known as nrubsig [19:18:42] <PerterB> weird, they promised me they would take that message out [19:18:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o nrubsig [19:19:01] *** Wisier has quit IRC [19:20:21] <myrkraverk> PerterB: the one about dog loving? (btw, where did you find a 12yo chiwawa?) [19:20:50] <PerterB> my parole officer says I shouldn't tell people that [19:21:22] <nrubsig> PerterB: just to make sure: There is no such software with such a catalog. [19:21:25] <nrubsig> right ? [19:21:39] <PerterB> right :) (did you really thing there was??) [19:22:12] <nrubsig> PerterB: no, but I want to make sure that I don't attack people with kick&bann who don't deserve it. [19:22:27] <nrubsig> just a "safeguard" [19:22:37] <PerterB> but when lamers like that show up, I always find an offhand response like that is more disarming than getting angry [19:22:46] <nrubsig> but it seems the notice that someone /Op'ed scared him away. [19:23:29] <PerterB> maybe he's one of the linux weenies that got upset over the void thing :) [19:24:14] <myrkraverk> tsk, getting upset over void :P [19:25:16] <nrubsig> PerterB: what happened to the dog afterwards ? [19:25:25] * nrubsig hides... [19:25:41] <nrubsig> (okok, bad taste joke) [19:25:46] <myrkraverk> oh, and talking about paroles, does that mean ppl aren't allowed to leave the US? [19:25:46] <PerterB> hush :) [19:25:47] <nrubsig> (very bad taste) [19:26:00] <nrubsig> myrkraverk: ?! [19:26:09] <myrkraverk> PerterB my parole officer says I shouldn't tell people that <---------------- [19:26:24] <myrkraverk> nrubsig: I got curious ;) [19:26:25] <PerterB> but...... I'm not in the US [19:26:39] <myrkraverk> PerterB: oh, nvm then ;) [19:35:12] *** logic has joined #opensolaris [19:38:57] *** vectra has quit IRC [19:39:46] *** karrotx has quit IRC [19:41:39] *** pikapika has joined #opensolaris [19:43:37] <pikapika> hello [19:59:36] <Somethingelse> hi [20:00:19] <vaneth> hi. 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(just thought I'd ask) [21:10:20] *** nrubsig was kicked by nrubsig (suicide now!) [21:12:20] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [21:20:45] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [21:26:30] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [21:27:10] *** Somethingelse has joined #opensolaris [21:29:57] <Plaidrab> hmm. What provides libtoolize? [21:32:39] <quasi> Plaidrab: SFWltool [21:33:25] <Plaidrab> Hmm. I don't seem to have that installed. [21:34:22] <Plaidrab> source behaved though [21:34:45] *** gongoputch has joined #opensolaris [21:36:02] *** QuasisNightMare has joined #opensolaris [21:36:35] *** vChe has joined #opensolaris [21:36:49] * QuasisNightMare looks at Quasi [21:37:32] *** vChe has left #opensolaris [21:38:12] *** QuasisNightMare is now known as d [21:38:20] *** d is now known as gisburn [21:41:00] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [21:43:16] *** vChe has joined #opensolaris [21:45:11] *** vChe has quit IRC [21:47:54] *** jamesd has quit IRC [21:50:54] *** boro has left #opensolaris [21:52:31] <quasi> Plaidrab: it is from the companion cd [21:52:41] <Plaidrab> Ah [21:53:09] <quasi> gisburn: what did I do now? [21:54:13] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:03:14] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [22:09:18] <gisburn> quasi: *shrug* [22:10:33] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [22:14:02] *** pde has joined #opensolaris [22:15:47] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [22:16:41] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [22:17:53] <myrkraverk> damn loonixers - I ask for an api for instruction set info, and am politely told to parse an fscking text file /proc/cpuinfo - what in the gnu makes them think it can't change from release to release? [22:17:57] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [22:18:26] <myrkraverk> sometimes, I feel like they should be beaten with a stick [22:18:33] <myrkraverk> (sorry, had to vent somewhere) [22:18:37] <PerterB> Because linux procfs is scared and every application should be able to rely on it, even on Solaris ;) [22:18:42] <PerterB> uh, "sacred" [22:19:00] <myrkraverk> PerterB: ah, of course ;) [22:19:59] <myrkraverk> PerterB: and *of course* /proc/cpuinfo is always the same, even on different architectures ;) [22:20:27] <PerterB> if not, you have the kernel source code so you can fix it [22:20:30] <ada> 'night all [22:20:37] <myrkraverk> PerterB: haha ;) [22:21:14] <delewis> I don't really mind the concept of setting tunables and getting system information as Linux does with /proc, but putting it all in /proc is silly. [22:21:25] <myrkraverk> PerterB: yes, my app, that wants to detect current cpu features is broken, but the fix is to patch the kernel to lie ;) [22:21:31] <delewis> putting *any* of it in /proc is silly [22:22:09] <myrkraverk> delewis: what I find silly, is the total lack of an api like sysinfo in solaris [22:22:15] *** McMurlock has joined #opensolaris [22:22:16] *** miffe has joined #opensolaris [22:22:35] <delewis> myrkraverk: yes, that is annoying to, because /proc is being used as a poor substitute [22:22:56] <delewis> but setting tunables and looking at system information from /proc is more in "tune" (no pun intended) with the UNIX philosophy of everything is a file. [22:23:15] <myrkraverk> yes [22:23:32] <delewis> whether a filesystem should be used in such a manner, is really the test for one to see if they agree with the "everything is a file" concept. [22:23:38] <delewis> (which UNIX has already violated in a number of ways) [22:24:06] <delewis> processes aren't abstracted as files, completely. (consider how you pass a signal to a process) [22:24:09] <myrkraverk> imho, not everything needs to be a file [22:24:24] <boyd> Bah.. /me curses alanc for not putting 6380709 into s10 FCS. Why should the fact that nobody has invented backward time travel stop him?? I ask you! [22:24:33] <PerterB> but.... everything isn't a file (nonunix domain sockets, sysv ipc etc) [22:24:45] <boyd> That was delewis point I think [22:25:03] <boyd> It's quite nice in plan9 to have that completely implemented, though [22:25:16] <delewis> boyd: yes, that was what I using as an example :-) [22:25:27] <delewis> you pass signals in Plan 9 via echo'ing the signal to the process ctl file in /proc :-) [22:25:36] <delewis> which makes a 'kill' implementation *very* simple [22:25:46] <delewis> echo 9 > /proc/<pid>/ctl [22:26:06] <boyd> It makes many things quite simple... although it couls be said that it's just moving the complexity elsewhere [22:33:31] <Odin-> What doesn't? [22:41:50] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [22:47:41] <myrkraverk> Odin-: you here???? [22:48:08] <myrkraverk> Odin-: are you still in Isafjordur? [22:48:17] <Odin-> myrkraverk: Nope. Uni. [22:48:35] <Odin-> And the $/#$ fire alarm just went off. DAMMIT. [22:49:18] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [22:49:44] <myrkraverk> haha [22:49:54] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [22:50:00] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [22:50:04] <myrkraverk> Odin-: what brings you here, though? using solaris or just curious? [22:51:15] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [22:51:46] <Odin-> myrkraverk: Running Nexenta on my main machine. :> [22:52:18] <myrkraverk> Odin-: ah, I'm just using EXCR ;) [22:52:43] <myrkraverk> Odin-: have you met klepparinn ? [22:53:28] <myrkraverk> Odin-: a friend joked, when I was going to install it on my laptop, that I was one of 3 ppl using it like that, and it seems now I know all of us on irc ;) [22:53:48] <myrkraverk> (for the rest of you, one of 3 in iceland) [22:54:05] <Odin-> Ah, yes. kleppari is here too. Heh. Yes, I know him. [22:54:10] <myrkraverk> ;) [22:54:46] <myrkraverk> Odin-: we should have a "kill -9 zone" club somewhere ;) [22:56:35] <delewis> ugh, I wish gnome-terminal would re-size itself, properly [22:56:54] <delewis> each time you open a tap and you close it so that it is single-tabbed, it still keeps the extra column it added [22:57:03] <delewis> so it turns into an 80x25 window [22:57:15] <delewis> if you keep doing this, it goes to 80x26 to 80x27 and so fourth [22:57:35] <delewis> er, row* [22:57:47] <twincest> gnome-terminal = :-( [22:58:01] <delewis> yes, but I like tabs :-( [22:58:06] <twincest> mrxvt :) [22:58:07] <delewis> tabs = saved deskspace [22:58:15] * myrkraverk prefers mrxvt (but have not gotten that on solaris yet) [22:58:21] <delewis> but if gnome-terminal fails to re-size itself properly, that doesn't make much of a difference. [23:01:13] <Odin-> myrkraverk: Heh. :p [23:02:49] <twincest> delewis: srsly, try mrxvt.. it's nice. very fast as well [23:02:55] <twincest> the only downside is it doesn't do utf-8 yet [23:03:12] <delewis> ok [23:03:55] <myrkraverk> (for those of us who use zsh, utf-8 is not much of a problem) [23:04:08] <twincest> myrk: it is for those of us who use zsh and an irc client [23:05:32] <myrkraverk> twincest: ;P [23:05:45] <myrkraverk> latin1 is enough for me on irc ;) [23:07:01] <g4lt-mordant> :? 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[23:15:47] <twincest> Auralis: curious.. i've always thought that tabs should work that way, but i didn't know anyone had implemented it [23:15:59] <delewis> myrkraverk: I wouldn't call it 'patch' [23:16:05] <delewis> just changing a function declaration here and there [23:16:08] <myrkraverk> delewis: well, care to share it? [23:16:11] <delewis> specifically, rxvt_clear_screen [23:16:19] <delewis> and rxvt_fill_recontange [23:16:21] <myrkraverk> (so I won't have to re-do it) [23:16:31] *** bunker has quit IRC [23:16:46] <delewis> just change the function declaration from void inline to void or void extern inline [23:16:55] <delewis> on both of the function declarations in screen.c [23:17:49] <delewis> otherwise you'll get undefined symbols [23:17:52] <myrkraverk> ah, k [23:17:57] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [23:21:03] *** cecko has joined #opensolaris [23:22:58] <delewis> hmm, I like rxvt already :-) [23:23:22] *** mazonm has joined #opensolaris [23:23:47] *** ericr_ has joined #opensolaris [23:24:36] *** stefanp has quit IRC [23:24:44] <Auralis> rxvt good [23:25:19] *** deather has quit IRC [23:25:30] <myrkraverk> delewis: if you run into problems with mrxvt, let me know, I've patched it before, and may again ;) [23:26:08] <Gman> hrm, the joyent podcast isn't very interesting [23:26:55] * OnkelSchorsch didn't bother listening to the second one [23:26:58] <cecko> hello everybody, could you give a little advice? I am planning to build a RAID 5 for my home media. Would you advice me using OpenSolaris with its cool ZFS for such a home project? thxhome project? thx [23:27:05] *** Burana has quit IRC [23:27:19] *** mazonm has quit IRC [23:28:01] <jamesd_> cecko, absolutely [23:28:45] <cecko> jamesd_ glad to hear that :) is there a place I could look for a compatible HW? [23:30:10] *** mazonm has joined #opensolaris [23:30:11] *** crash| has quit IRC [23:30:21] <delewis> myrkraverk: it seems to be working fine -- hasn't segfault'd yet :-) [23:30:41] <jamesd_> cecko, www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl [23:30:45] <jamesd_> or store.sun.com [23:32:00] <myrkraverk> delewis: ;) [23:33:34] <cecko> jamesd_, thx, i'll check it out! I just worry if OS wouldn't be too hard for a beginner like me [23:34:07] <jamesd_> its not really difficult if you just want a fileserver, and ZFS is extremely easy to use [23:35:37] *** mazonm has quit IRC [23:36:20] <twincest> it's also very well documented [23:36:31] *** mazonm has joined #opensolaris [23:36:32] <cecko> that sounds promising -- i'll try it once i find some hw [23:38:54] *** mazonm has quit IRC [23:39:47] *** mazon has quit IRC [23:39:57] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [23:42:39] *** mazon has joined #opensolaris [23:44:52] <tomww> cecko: keep an eye on really working SATA-stuff. Not too many noname HW is out there and able to run sata ( currently ). But: It's worth the effort if you want a rock solid fileserver with a relly cool and usefull filesystem... [23:47:20] <cecko> tomww: do you have any tip? should i look for a motherboard or sata/scsi controller? [23:48:37] <tomww> ah, scsi with a (open)solaris supported card if you build your own server would be okay. but disks ... maybe they might becom expensive. [23:49:17] <tomww> if you like ATA-Disks, with parallel-ATA (seen up to 400GB/750GB) there might be less problems. [23:50:32] <tomww> S-ATA depends on the controller-chip. some SIL an Marvel (if i remember correctly) chips work with never soalris releases. [23:50:59] <myrkraverk> does nasm work on solaris? [23:51:19] <tomww> but onboard S-ATA_Controllers are often from oder vendors without proper support. [23:51:59] <tomww> ok, solaris with the official releases vom sun, opensolaris vom opensolaris.org and Solaris Express... [23:52:17] <tomww> if depends on what kind of user you like to be :-) [23:52:36] <cecko> is there a practical difference in having a disk controller or just using the onboard ports, if there's enough of them? [23:52:47] <cecko> i guess i'd go open [23:53:18] <tomww> I myself use for the newer ZFS-bits one called Nevada (build 51) [23:57:16] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC