[00:00:01] <delewis> and basically every i386-based UNIX has been modeled after it
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[00:00:22] <mario_> hello
[00:00:30] * astinus hangs a "Please 2 n0t f33d t3h trolls" sign on the wall.
[00:00:32] <delewis> well, since you have responded, the correct answer is 'Xenix'
[00:00:38] <delewis> +not
[00:00:47] <astinus> mario_:  hello
[00:00:48] <boyd> Not xenix? :)
[00:00:52] <mario_> would any of you be interested in responding to questions about Solaris scsi transport bits?
[00:00:55] <delewis> boyd: :-P
[00:00:56] <boyd> delewis: I know, I know
[00:01:13] <mario_> I would need that to implement transport layer for libburn (http://libburn.pykix.org)
[00:01:22] <tigerssb> I do like desktopbsd - nice os - but still think solaris is better in reliability
[00:01:56] <delewis> you "think"
[00:02:00] <delewis> what on earth would make you do that
[00:02:17] <boyd> mario_: I don't know if anyone here is qualified... I would point you at schily for more info but I don't know how much help it would be
[00:02:20] <Error_404> delewis: solaris is totally 1337xorz
[00:02:22] <tigerssb> wtf am I suppose to think? that I wanna kill my wife???
[00:02:24] <delewis> maybe that every government, financial, educational, scientific institution in the world has or at least has had one Solaris system at one point?
[00:02:30] <Error_404> not like that UNIX crap
[00:02:34] <astinus> delewis:  Did someone shove a large wooden object (perhaps a broom?) somewhere unpleasant this morning as you rolled out of bed? (and I mean that in the nicest possible way!) :P
[00:02:57] <mario_> boyd, schily has been helpful so far in collaboration
[00:03:03] <delewis> astinus: :-)
[00:03:05] <boyd> mario_: Cool then
[00:03:07] <mario_> (nothing solaris related yet, tho)
[00:03:21] <boyd> mario_: He knows that stuff pretty well I think
[00:03:30] <mario_> boyd, yup, he does
[00:03:46] <mario_> I just don't like the all the flaming he does against linux kernel when he responds to any question
[00:03:47] <astinus> delewis:  Not that I'm complaining, although I would ask you refrain from brash comments when I have beer in my mouth .. I just redecorated my keyboard through my nose at that last comment.
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[00:04:15] <delewis> astinus: :-)
[00:04:18] <delewis> funny.
[00:04:29] <mario_> boyd, his stance towards linux kernel is not completely irrational (I should know that!!!), rather very histerical
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[00:04:47] <Error_404> mario_: well, if linux wasn't such a crap kernel, he wouldn't have to browbeat it so hard
[00:04:50] <Error_404> ;)
[00:04:53] <boyd> mario_: Yeah, that's about what I would guess
[00:05:04] <delewis> mario_: Linux doesn't need schily's commedy to make a joke of itself
[00:05:05] <boyd> It's just that sometimes he
[00:05:06] <delewis> look at the kernel comments
[00:05:13] <boyd> It's just that sometimes he's quite ... terse
[00:05:14] <mario_> Error_404, please stop yourself from such comments
[00:05:22] <mario_> delewis, ah
[00:05:22] <delewis> "/* 15,000 lines of shit below */"
[00:05:54] <tigerssb> is this chat summariziing that linux aint worth a hill of beans?
[00:05:55] <delewis> and yes, that's an actual comment (though, I guestimated the number)
[00:06:00] <smoco> I have such qestion about xen domU is it , somewhere  image and kernel of solaris domU for 64 bit xen ??
[00:06:06] <mario_> delewis, there is and there will never be point in saying: wow, this OS rocks and none can even come close to it
[00:06:09] <delewis> tigerssb: I wouldn't even give it a single bean.
[00:06:16] <tigerssb> lol
[00:06:17] <boyd> delewis: It was on jamesd's blog about 24 hrs ago
[00:06:23] <delewis> boyd: yes :-)
[00:06:40] <delewis> though, I was quite aware of the Linux kernel comments before that article was written
[00:06:50] <delewis> the Linux i386 SMP code is particularly funny in some portions
[00:07:01] <delewis> and don't get me started on the hme code
[00:07:04] <mario_> Error_404, and are you sure you understand the differences (internal) between linux and solaris kernel so you can state that?
[00:07:05] <delewis> "Welcome to McDonalds"
[00:07:10] * boyd misses the comment "You are not expected to understand this"
[00:07:18] <tigerssb> so ----- redhat vs openbsd - openbsd chews up lijnux and spits it out I assume
[00:07:21] <mario_> Error_404, if you can, I'm sure you could answer a couple of mine very simple questions about scsi transport
[00:07:23] <delewis> boyd: that's the hallmark of maintainability, isn't it? :-)
[00:07:27] <boyd> :)
[00:07:42] * boyd handles SIGREALLIFE
[00:08:28] 
[00:08:31] <boyd> mario_: Out of interest is uscsi(7I) enough for you?
[00:08:53] <tigerssb> plenty ty
[00:09:03] <delewis> I doubt you'd want to touch OpenBSD for a database server, though :-)
[00:09:06] <mario_> boyd, not on solaris, sorry, so I wouldn't know
[00:09:11] <astinus> delewis:  agreed.
[00:09:13] <delewis> that is, unless you have very few organizational requirements. :-)
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[00:09:27] <tigerssb> just iso of great os
[00:09:49] <boyd> mario_: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?uscsi+7I
[00:10:04] <boyd> (just googled... there may be S10 shanges)
[00:10:07] * delewis wonders who will the first to mutter, "but I am using MySQL on my production database server which runs OpenBSD!"
[00:10:08] <astinus> On the flip side, if you're too stupid to use Solaris and management is demanding "support contracts" for when the shit hits the fan, by all means go place the inflated pricetags at Red Hat :)
[00:10:13] * delewis sharpens his knife
[00:10:41] <astinus> delewis:  Actually my production database server runs Gentoo *hide*
[00:10:48] * astinus points to his cloak and hides some more.
[00:10:53] <delewis> actually
[00:11:05] <delewis> I would trust Linux as a database server more than I would the free BSD variants.
[00:11:07] <Error_404> watching shit scroll by for hours made me a unix expert overnight
[00:11:15] <mario_> boyd, hm, ok
[00:11:16] <delewis> they're seriously lacking when it comes to threading, scalability, etc.
[00:11:36] <delewis> Linux at least attempts to those (sort of), albeit in very unsafe, clueless ways
[00:11:50] <astinus> delewis:  We got a ton of ricers running Gentoo, but its still damn flexible; if your systems administrators aren't complete fucking numpties, its a great operating system for cheap whitebox servers.
[00:12:27] <Error_404> except that security patches can take hours to install
[00:12:58] <delewis> "boss, we'll be secure after this re-compile finishes!"
[00:13:21] <delewis> and that's when you get a pink-slip thrown at you.
[00:13:27] <Error_404> "i hit it with -funroll-loops, so it'll be faster in ways that I don't understand"
[00:13:35] <delewis> Error_404: :-)
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[00:13:51] <delewis> don't forget -Oinfinity
[00:13:54] * boyd loves the ricer/gento link
[00:13:55] <boyd> jeez.. typing is terrible today
[00:13:59] <astinus> We have a small build cluster running distcc which generates packages compatible with the production boxes, does it automatically every night at 10pm .. when you come in the next morning and note the vulnerability, you just push the binary over and you're done *shrug*
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[00:14:34] <delewis> astinus: and what happens when that security patch just happens to affect functionality and you have to back-out? "oh, what back-out. re-recompile time"
[00:14:40] * astinus grins
[00:14:42] <astinus> indeed :P
[00:14:43] <delewis> that would be point I just patchrm and move on
[00:14:47] <delewis> the*
[00:15:02] <Saltsa> astinus: why not just let redhat or other company to do compile work? ;)
[00:15:06] <astinus> Theoretically I could grab the previous version off the binhost to save some time.
[00:15:15] <astinus> But yeah, back-out's are a real bitch :X
[00:15:31] <Saltsa> or fedora or debian community. ;)
[00:16:07] <astinus> Saltsa:  I'll point out the recent "Oh fuck, we broke X.org" debacle with Ubuntu, and note smugly that it took them ~24 hours to resolve that to user satisfaction.
[00:16:21] <Error_404> delewis: removing packages from gentoo doesn't work
[00:16:24] <astinus> Saltsa:  Same kinda stuff happens with Fedora / Debian on occasion, noting is perfect.
[00:16:41] <delewis> Error_404: of course not
[00:16:46] <mario_> astinus, it happened to a lot of users, that's true, but I doubt you know the entire story
[00:16:53] <delewis> why would you want to remove the latest version of a package?
[00:16:55] <Error_404> it doesn't register reverse dependencies anywhere, so unless you've written it down, you can nuke a library that kills critical things without so much as a warning
[00:16:58] <delewis> [sic]
[00:17:19] * astinus goes and hides from sharpened knives
[00:17:30] <Saltsa> astinus: well, but they probably check those packages better before releasing...
[00:19:03] <Error_404> yeah, linux is the pinnacle of bugchecking
[00:19:10] <Error_404> "does it compile? yes. send it out."
[00:19:17] <astinus> Saltsa:  I'd ask you to qualify that statement, but I really can't be bothered :P
[00:19:44] * astinus is slowly migrating things to Solaris, 'nuff said *grin*
[00:19:49] <mario_> Error_404, you never obviously been involved in linux development
[00:20:03] <Error_404> actually i was
[00:20:08] <delewis> Error_404: you would be surprised how many open source projects operate with that philosophy.
[00:20:09] <Error_404> i was a gentoo dev for a while
[00:20:29] <delewis> I remember when we released mplayerpre8rc1
[00:20:33] <mario_> Error_404, ok, then you were the one who didnt do checking! 'cause you cant do generalization
[00:20:37] <astinus> Technically packages are pushed into ~arch (testing) branch fairly quickly, but they have to remain in ~arch for >30 days without bug reports or reported "issues" before they can go arch (stable)
[00:20:38] <delewis> "Does it compile, delewis?"
[00:20:53] <delewis> "yes, but don't want me to test <arbitrary functionality>, twit?"
[00:21:07] <delewis> "No, Solaris is a fringe platform"
[00:21:16] <Error_404> heh
[00:21:22] <Error_404> fringe platform
[00:21:34] <Error_404> "biggest unix in the world" = "fringe"
[00:21:42] <delewis> little do they understand that portability increases code quality, in general.
[00:21:43] <astinus> They should can up delewis or sell him in shot format, he makes for a funnier evening than alcohol :O
[00:21:57] <delewis> which is why MPlayer is littered with so many endian-bugs
[00:22:11] <delewis> "d00d, your bytes are the wrong way!"
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[00:23:46] <astinus> In future when some first year CS student here asks about endian stuff, I'm going to say "d00d, your bytes are the wrong way!" :P
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[00:32:37] <phips> sb goto +5
[00:32:47] <phips> sb goto +5
[00:32:55] <phips> sb goto +20
[00:32:58] <phips> sb goto +40
[00:33:03] <phips> sb goto -40
[00:33:06] <delewis> phips goto hell
[00:33:07] <phips> sb end
[00:33:16] <luxh> mkey
[00:33:31] <phips> ahhh, the beauty of typing at half eleven on a saturday evening
[00:33:51] * phips looks sheepish
[00:33:56] <phips> apologies for that
[00:34:13] <phips> thanks for the kind words there delewis
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[00:42:37] <galt> delewis, wouldn't it be a gosub?
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[01:00:40] <Felipe_> hello
[01:01:10] <Felipe_> hello everyone
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[01:07:30] <gisburn> Felipe_: all dead.
[01:07:39] <gisburn> Felipe_: noone can answer.
[01:07:52] <Felipe_> glsburn Yeah I figured, it's a Saturday :)
[01:07:55] <gisburn> Felipe_: all died from rabies transferred from komodo dragons
[01:12:15] * gisburn remebers and mourns the old days, long before Felipe_ joined, when this channel was busy beyond measure... but then... the horrible fate... ATTACKED!
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[01:18:05] <gisburn> stevel: ping!
[01:18:37] <gisburn> stevel: is there a reason why sun studio 11 is compressed with /usr/bin/compress instead of /usr/bin/bzip2 ?
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[01:24:23] <Doc> on the download center, or on opensolaris.org ?
[01:25:02] <Felipe_> anyone have sucess bootstrapping gcc-4.1+ on solaris 10?  Is it stable to enable the nls flag or should I disable it?
[01:26:19] <gisburn> Doc: I mean the studio 11 tarball for building OS/Net
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[01:37:37] <Axposf> Hi all
[01:40:54] <jamesd> hi
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[02:03:12] <lloy0076> I have another partition on my x86 system which is a primary partition. I can't seem to get the automatic partition tools in the DVD set for ON_51 to use that partition AND not destroy my current OpenSolaris installation.
[02:03:39] <lloy0076> That said, I think if I managed to manually create a set of Solaris Slices in the currently empty partition, I could convince the installer to behave itself.
[02:04:02] <lloy0076> ...except I'm not using the right search combos to find the 'how do you make new partitions and slices in Solaris'.
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[02:26:29] <gisburn> heh
[02:26:33] <gisburn> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/F-15_Heritage_Flight.jpg
[02:26:36] <Gr|ffous> hi all, I'm trying to use an external usb2 disk. I see this entry [ID 408114 kern.info] /pci@0,0/pci1458,5004@2,2/storage@4/disk@0,0 (sd6) online, but format isn't listing it. Where to from here?
[02:27:06] <gisburn> piston-engined fighrer runs at maximum speed while F-15 near minimum stall speed
[02:28:19] <sahafeez> Giffious i think you have to add it to the system with the disk admin thingy that i cannot remember the name of.
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[03:03:20] <gisburn> SUNW,A70 - what is that ?
[03:07:25] <Doc> Ultra 45
[03:08:03] <gisburn> Why "A70" and not "A90" ? Or "A45" ?
[03:08:18] <jbk> heh
[03:09:09] <Doc> no reason
[03:09:13] <jbk> probably no real good reason
[03:10:28] <jbk> just like the us-iii product family v480, v880, v1280 having 4,8,12 cpus, but the codename for the 1280 was 'lightweight 8'
[03:11:21] <Doc> right.. because the one before it was the "lightweight 7"
[03:11:31] <Tpenta> has anyone actually had a look at the solaris 10/ufs panic that showed up on month of kernel bugs?
[03:11:52] <Tpenta> I think that "exploitable" involves a little more social engineering than the contributor mentioned
[03:12:16] <Doc> month of kernel bugs?
[03:12:27] <Tpenta> http://projects.info-pull.com/mokb/MOKB-04-11-2006.html
[03:13:23] <Doc> so you can panic a system by giving it a corrupt filesystem?
[03:13:34] <Tpenta> I've just regenerated it internally and have a crashdump as the contributor couldnt be bothered to make that available
[03:13:39] <Tpenta> doc: yup
[03:13:43] <Tpenta> big surprise huh?
[03:13:44] <Doc> we'll need to get someone onto that immediately
[03:14:04] <Tpenta> i think "exploitable" is a bit rish, perhaps if you add a bit of social engineering with someone who has sys_mount priv
[03:14:05] <Doc> tpenta: http://www.docbert.org/MP/
[03:14:28] <Tpenta> I was writing something up for it; I'll agree that it probably shouldnt panic the way it does, but it's a p4 bug at best
[03:14:56] <Tpenta> very nice doc
[03:15:01] <Doc> i've discovered an exploit in the "uadmin" command too.  if you run it with the right options, the machine panics
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[03:15:21] <Tpenta> well I was going to say that you needed to be root to mount it but that's actually not true anymore
[03:15:48] <Doc> only root can run lofiadm
[03:15:53] <Tpenta> I guess that if you put it onto a memory stick and plugged it in, the new framework will try to mount it and you might have problems
[03:16:45] <Triskelios> ooh
[03:16:48] <Doc> yah.. if you want i can come up to gordon and demonstrate that one for you (i have a usb key that kills sunrays)
[03:17:03] <nachox> nice
[03:17:19] <Doc> known/fixed bug, but itops dont seem interested in installing the patch
[03:17:35] <Triskelios> interest them
[03:22:37] <Error_404> Doc: heh
[03:22:44] <Error_404> (re: killer usb key)
[03:23:58] <jamesd> Doc, what are you doing  going around and dissin  uadmin[.blogspot.com] ;-p
[03:24:29] <Axposf> uhm
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[03:51:09] <Axposf> bye bye all
[03:51:11] <Axposf> :)
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[03:59:38] <Sieghard> how do you debug random reboots (possibly panics) that occur every few days and don't leave anything in the log?
[04:00:11] <Error_404> not even in fmd's logs?
[04:00:25] <nachox> you look for coredumps?
[04:00:44] <Sieghard> Error_404: not in fmd
[04:00:53] <Error_404> fmdump, i mean
[04:01:54] <Sieghard> Error_404: no, they don't show up in fmdump, even panics that logged in /var/adm/messages haven't shown up for me in fmdump
[04:03:11] <Sieghard> and no core dumps either
[04:04:26] <Error_404> given no other information, what i would do would be plug something in to rs232 w/ the machine set up to use the serial port as console  & hope that the kernel pukes to console next time it happens
[04:05:03] <Error_404> *shrug*
[04:05:45] <jamesd> also starting a few dtrace scripts like  print all syscalls,  or maybe every command that is ran... and see if you can find a pattern
[04:06:58] <Tpenta> ok, just finished looking at that month of kernel bugs bug for ufs/Soalris 10
[04:07:08] <nachox> and?
[04:07:24] <Tpenta> they've corrupted a cylinder group such that it references something well in excess of the maximum number of cylinder groups
[04:07:27] <nachox> have you tested the poc?
[04:07:42] <Tpenta> I *think* I can see a way to protect against it. what makes it harder is that it is not the mount system call that fails
[04:07:52] <Tpenta> it's the ioctl to turn on logging
[04:07:55] <Tpenta> you can mount it ro fine
[04:08:52] <Tpenta> Of course, any sensible SA would run fsk over it before mounting and would not then proceed because of teh errors
[04:10:18] <Error_404> "month of kernel bugs"?
[04:12:40] <nachox> Error_404: http://projects.info-pull.com/mokb/MOKB-04-11-2006.html
[04:14:55] <Error_404> oh, only one bug for solaris
[04:14:59] <Error_404> cool
[04:15:58] <gisburn> Error_404: it is the bug used in mailinglist to "proove" that solaris is very buggy.
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[04:16:14] <dclarke> hello
[04:16:27] <Error_404> 4 linux, 2 osx, 2 windows, 2 BSD, 1 solaris
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[04:16:54] <Error_404> hmm... evidently linux is twice as bad as windows
[04:17:01] <Error_404> *shrug* good to know
[04:17:02] <dclarke> are those hockey scores ?
[04:17:08] <Error_404> kernel bugs
[04:17:21] <dclarke> linux only has 4 ?
[04:17:22] <nachox> what bsd?
[04:17:27] <Error_404> free
[04:17:28] <dclarke> windows only 2 ?
[04:17:38] <Error_404> dclarke: for the month of kernel bugs anyways
[04:17:41] <Error_404> there's undoubtedly more
[04:17:52] <dclarke> well .. ZFS is about to get another
[04:17:56] <Error_404> w00t
[04:18:00] <Error_404> what'd you break?
[04:18:11] <dclarke> between myself and Jorg Schilling we managed to fall into a hole
[04:18:14] <dclarke> literally
[04:18:21] <Error_404> explain
[04:18:29] <dclarke> ZFS with compression mistakenly reports a normal file as being sparse
[04:18:40] <dclarke> and the size of the file is wrong
[04:18:46] <dclarke> the data is real clear
[04:19:05] <dclarke> I hit the bug and then Joerg and I passed emails back and forth for a week
[04:19:10] <dclarke> we have it nailed down .. tight
[04:19:17] <dclarke> want to see ?
[04:19:53] <dclarke> one sec ..
[04:20:16] <dclarke> oops
[04:20:19] <dclarke> never mind
[04:20:22] <dclarke> new email just in
[04:20:25] <Error_404> by the way, polaris + pearpc... doesn't work really
[04:20:32] <dclarke> okay ..
[04:20:35] <dclarke> you need an ODW
[04:20:43] <Error_404> i tried it today
[04:22:32] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/pN93zB30.html
[04:23:52] <Error_404> that's a pretty fantastic bug actually
[04:24:15] <dclarke> we are not dead certain yet
[04:24:31] <dclarke> I needed 200GB of data in a ZFS filesystem to hit it once
[04:24:40] <dclarke> out of millions of files
[04:24:45] <dclarke> but .. it DID happen
[04:24:46] <Error_404> 200gb isn't really that much
[04:24:57] <dclarke> for ZFS .. no .. it nothing
[04:25:08] <dclarke> like I said .. we are still working on this
[04:25:18] <dclarke> we "could" be wrong
[04:25:33] <dclarke> but .. the code test is real clear isn't it ?
[04:25:45] <Error_404> it could be something else expanding the size of your file with garbage?
[04:25:59] <dclarke> exactly .. good eye !
[04:26:08] <dclarke> so .. we needed to recreate the data
[04:26:16] <dclarke> and see if we hit the problem again
[04:26:21] <dclarke> did that .. twice
[04:26:30] <dclarke> again .. out of millions of files we hit it twice
[04:26:35] <dclarke> on different files
[04:26:44] <dclarke> so then I thought .. maybe a NFS error ?
[04:26:56] <dclarke> so I switched to SCP to put in the files
[04:26:59] <dclarke> the nSamba
[04:27:04] <dclarke> then restore from tape
[04:27:19] <dclarke> in every case .. hit the error on one file or two files
[04:27:29] <dclarke> so .. we are really being cautios
[04:27:36] <dclarke> no one wants a ZFS bug filed
[04:27:42] <jamesd> dclarke, has the candian government opened up the official work out program? its better than any commercial gym, its free and specializes in upper body workouts...    SHOVELING SNOW!!!
[04:27:43] <dclarke> not like this
[04:27:48] <Error_404> heh, fix it secretly
[04:27:57] <dclarke> no ..
[04:28:05] <dclarke> jamesd : that gym opens soon
[04:28:14] <dclarke> Error_404: I need to test this on other hardware
[04:28:19] <Error_404> jamesd: That gym's been open for a month where i'm at
[04:28:24] <dclarke> Error_404: my server may be the root cause here
[04:28:45] <icon> evening all
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[04:29:16] <dclarke> evening
[04:29:23] * dclarke tips hat to icon
[04:29:32] <icon> how goes it?
[04:29:42] <icon> meh, that was a rather long email to -discuss
[04:29:45] * jamesd rearranges the icons  sorting by filesize.
[04:29:53] <dclarke> what email ?
[04:29:58] <dclarke> I better go look ...
[04:30:01] <Error_404> dclarke: well, what could it be in your server? processor doing wierd things, or memory errors (should be caught by fmd), or controller errors (again, fmd)
[04:30:06] <icon> response to Haim about why solaris isnt linux
[04:30:08] * icon sighs
[04:30:31] <icon> evening jamesd ;)
[04:31:19] <nachox> someone already has
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[04:32:57] <icon> brb
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[04:33:45] <dclarke> Error_404: on your last question .. I dunno
[04:33:57] <dclarke> I have to focus on some Blastwave admin .. back in a bit
[04:34:06] <dclarke> I'll be here if someone pings me
[04:34:18] <nachox> dclarke: do you ever sleep?
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[04:34:26] <dclarke> nachox: no
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[04:34:55] <dclarke> nachox: I am actually a brilliant piece of software designed in the labs at the NSA
[04:35:07] <dclarke> nachox: and how would you know if I were anything else ?
[04:35:19] <jbk> silly question: does md5sum on the original and new file differ?
[04:35:36] <icon> jbk: if the file changed? yes
[04:35:53] <jbk> i mean for dclarke's sparse file issue on zfs
[04:35:56] <nachox> dclarke: easy, you drink coffee, software doesnt
[04:36:01] * icon shuts up ;)
[04:36:52] <dclarke> jbk : the original and result files are different lengths
[04:36:59] * icon &
[04:37:14] <dclarke> jbk: they have a small 512 byte hole appended at the end of the ZFS destination file
[04:38:24] <Tpenta> http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/solaris_ufs_bug_in_month
[04:39:04] <dclarke> evening Alan
[04:39:12] <Tpenta> hi dennis
[04:39:13] <dclarke> I'll go have a gander at that ...
[04:40:06] <Tpenta> I particularly like this of my comments: "One other thing that I should add is that anyone who tries to mount an unknown ufs filesystem without at least running "fsck -n" over it probably deserves what they get."
[04:40:19] <richlowe> Hm, I was under the impression that the ability for a mangled FS to induce Bad Things was one of the reasons mounts require privs.
[04:41:17] <dclarke> Tpenta: agreed
[04:41:37] <richlowe> Tpenta: I generally avoid "deserves what they get" in vaguely serious fora unless the action needed is *unthinkably* stupid, rather than common but ill advised, but yeah.
[04:41:48] <dclarke> here is a tricky question .. perhaps a tad loaded also
[04:42:08] <dclarke> can a Sparc system mount a UFS filesystem created by Solaris x86 ?
[04:42:15] <richlowe> No.
[04:42:29] <dclarke> damn
[04:42:32] <Error_404> endianess is all wrong
[04:42:42] <dclarke> I have external disks from a Sol 2.5.1 x86 server
[04:42:45] <richlowe> it certainly won't work, and it *should* be noticed it doesn't "look like UFS"
[04:42:46] <icon> equally silly question - ZFS supports both sparc, and x86, right?
[04:42:51] <nachox> s/dieing/dying/
[04:42:53] <gisburn> Error_404: yeah.
[04:42:54] <jbk> icon: yes
[04:42:55] <richlowe> (if your question came from Tpenta's post, rather than need)
[04:42:58] <icon> roger
[04:42:59] <dclarke> well .. ufsdump was made aware and "fixed" or enhanced
[04:43:02] <gisburn> Error_404: lets use ascii for disk storage
[04:43:15] <jbk> icon: and you can export from one platform and import on the other
[04:43:21] <icon> ahh interesting
[04:43:30] <dclarke> I am sure that a revision of mount can be made .. called mount_lsb or something
[04:43:33] <icon> still waiting on my disks so i can get a zfs pool on here
[04:43:34] <icon> cant wait
[04:43:51] <richlowe> It wouldn't be a different mount, it would need code throughout UFS telling it to bswap what it pulled from the disk.
[04:43:56] <jbk> of course it helps if the data in the files on the filesystem are in some sort of endian-neutral format
[04:44:12] <richlowe> you could probably do an mount_ufs -obswap, if you really felt it worthwhile...
[04:44:21] <icon> expensive
[04:44:37] <dclarke> extremely expensive but no big deal
[04:44:44] <dclarke> look at ZFS with compression
[04:44:55] <dclarke> the IO processes are much slower than the CPU
[04:45:15] <dclarke> so a 1.5GHz UltraSparc could do it easily
[04:45:21] <gdamore> hey all. :-)
[04:47:32] <icon> evening gdamore
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[04:55:02] <Tpenta> so, dennis, whaddya think?
[04:55:20] <dclarke> brilliant stuff .. I'm still reading however
[04:55:35] <dclarke> I'm not nearly as qualified as you to read this sort of thing
[04:55:54] * dclarke still needs Sparc assemply manuals
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[04:56:18] * dclarke and can't spell "assembly"
[04:56:25] <Error_404> umm... you can download them from sun iirc
[04:56:38] <richlowe> you want the v9 manual, and UA2005.
[04:56:39] <dclarke> Error_404: can't download what ?
[04:56:47] <dclarke> I have all that
[04:56:51] <dclarke> going back years
[04:57:02] <dclarke> printed out .. three hole punched .. in binders
[04:57:07] <richlowe> but tpenta's entry isn't sparc.
[04:57:17] <dclarke> scribbled on .. dog eared .. coffee stains ..
[04:57:26] <Tpenta> my entry is x86
[04:57:31] <dclarke> its V40z based .. I see that
[04:57:44] <Tpenta> that's why scat doesn't show args in my stack dumps yet ;)
[04:57:53] <dclarke> what I was trying to say was that I can't read core dumps like ther are my native language
[04:58:09] * Tpenta is wierd that way :)
[04:58:24] <richlowe> it's fun.
[04:58:25] <richlowe> and then not fun.
[04:58:27] <richlowe> and then fun again.
[04:58:28] <dclarke> its a very useful "weird"
[04:58:31] <gisburn> Tpenta: Any good ideas about http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2006-November/001723.html ?
[04:59:17] <Error_404> I know a guy who does disassembly for fun
[04:59:28] <Error_404> responsible for qtfairuse, actually
[04:59:43] <icon> Error_404: neccessary evil sometimes :/
[05:00:03] <Error_404> esp. when you end up with DRM locked music, evidently
[05:00:08] <icon> haha
[05:00:12] <icon> dasm for fun and profit!
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[05:03:32] <Tpenta> roland, you have not reached a dead lock as don is not waiting on you doing something, you have reached sema_p(don's time)
[05:04:16] <Tpenta> once don can do a sema_v(don's time), things will proceed
[05:04:17] <gisburn> erm
[05:04:40] <gisburn> Tpenta: the problem is that the getconf builtin is still not 100% compatible with /usr/bin/getconf
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[05:05:00] <Tpenta> from what I understand, it is a superset
[05:05:09] <gisburn> yes
[05:05:20] <gisburn> and I guess we can get it compatible
[05:05:28] <gisburn> with the solaris version
[05:05:29] <Tpenta> I would guess that if Don writes the case as I would expect him to, it will fly through
[05:06:00] <gisburn> Tpenta: the problem is that this needs another 2-3 cycles from upstream to get it fixed.
[05:06:05] <gisburn> at least
[05:06:24] <Tpenta> my understanding is that the case will simply say something along the lines of "we forgot a builtin, add this to the list of interfaces"
[05:06:44] <gisburn> erm
[05:06:46] <gisburn> no.
[05:07:11] <Tpenta> ksh93 already has a number of builtins that do not function quite the same way as their solaris equivalents
[05:07:14] <icon> are any SFW guys on?
[05:07:15] <gisburn> we forgot a builtin and this builtin is enabled by DEFAULT - AND (!!) it is not compatible to the solaris getconf
[05:07:17] <Tpenta> this adds getconf to that list
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[05:07:29] <richlowe> You said above it was a true superset?
[05:07:32] <richlowe> what am I missing.
[05:07:34] <Tpenta> seriously, I don't see an issue and I think you are jumping at shadows
[05:07:38] <richlowe> (switch the period and the ? there.)
[05:07:41] <gisburn> Tpenta: we made all builtins which are enabled by default compatible to the solaris ones
[05:08:02] <Tpenta> just my opinion, but I don't think you will have a problem
[05:08:03] <Felipe_> I'm trying to bootstrap gcc 4.1.2 ..  Should i disable nls support or is it okay to sue it /w Solaris 10 10/06?
[05:08:20] <gisburn> Tpenta: read the output in the bugzilla bug.
[05:08:42] <gisburn> Tpenta: the builtin is enabled by default. and currently NOT compatible to the solaris /bin/getconf
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[05:09:26] <Tpenta> ok the central question here is: If an existing Solaris script, now running under ksh93 makes a getconf call, would you expect to get the same answers?
[05:10:47] <Tpenta> or perhaps a better question:
[05:10:54] <gisburn> Tpenta: I gues don woud expect a "yes":
[05:11:28] <gisburn> and the way how solaris handles getconf doesn't make it easier.
[05:11:34] <Tpenta> If I try all of teh examples in the getconf(1M) man page from Solaris, would the ksh93 builtin behave as this documentation describes *for the arguments listed*
[05:11:36] <richlowe> to phrase that slightly differently, "Would the script work the same now, as it did before?"
[05:11:43] <gisburn> some xx@@@!!-troll had the great dea to create three versions of getconf
[05:12:27] <Tpenta> I think we can safely exclude the behaviour on relying on getconf(1M) erroring ksh93 specifics, such a script seems kind of meaningless
[05:12:29] <richlowe> you say in the mail the builtin getconf is bound to /bin, so only that version specificly affects you, right?
[05:12:38] <richlowe> (so the other two don't actually matter)
[05:12:57] <Tpenta> gisburn, I think we are looking at a storm in a teacup
[05:13:10] <Tpenta> it will probably get through with almost no comment
[05:13:28] <gisburn> richlowe: yes, that was fixed with the ksh93/2006-10-31 update. however the general way how solaris deals with the standards may not be correct.
[05:13:38] <Tpenta> certainly as a fast track, perhaps even as a self reviewed auto approval
[05:13:54] <gisburn> Tpenta: uhm
[05:14:14] <gisburn> Tpenta: last time don commented on these compatibility issues he wasn't happy.
[05:14:17] <Tpenta> I honestly don't believe it's a big deal
[05:14:35] <richlowe> I'm inclined to agree with Tpenta, but I'd like to see what Don was unhappy about.
[05:14:38] <richlowe> maybe i'm misreading your bug.
[05:16:15] <richlowe> Tpenta: are you on the (external) onnv-notify?
[05:16:57] <Tpenta> no
[05:17:09] <richlowe> bugger.
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[05:18:31] <richlowe> guess I'll wait for stevel to reappear to figure out what's happening there then.
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[05:18:54] <dclarke> I return ...
[05:19:13] <icon> evening
[05:19:18] <dclarke> is the source to on_nv available yet ? to we unwashed masses I mean ?
[05:19:21] <icon> quick question... is ksh93 included in nevada atm?
[05:19:21] * Tpenta sends some email to don asking what his concerns are
[05:19:31] * Tpenta waits for gisburn to explode
[05:19:37] <richlowe> dclarke: the mercurial stuff is down pending some concerns.
[05:20:16] <gisburn> Tpenta: the official options per mike kupfer are: a) disable the incompatible builtin or b) ask ARC for an exception
[05:20:19] <Tpenta> icon: no it's not and it's a sore point with gisburn ;)
[05:20:25] <gisburn> b) is very unlkely to happen according to don
[05:20:34] <icon> hurm
[05:20:35] <richlowe> I'd much rather see this stuff in context.
[05:20:43] <icon> debating using ksh for the ports collection
[05:21:00] <gisburn> icon: s/ksh/ksh93/
[05:21:03] <Tpenta> the question with (a) hangs on the word "incompatible". If it's a superset, I'd argue it's not
[05:21:04] <gisburn> icon: which OS ?
[05:21:07] <icon> gisburn: nevada
[05:21:11] <richlowe> (or a plain diff of the getconf differences, rather than the kshism used to demonstrate it there)
[05:21:34] <richlowe> Tpenta: my reading of his bug shows the 'undefined' v. '' differences as being incompatible.
[05:21:40] <icon> i was looking at tcl before, but honestly, ksh would be better provided it doesnt drive me nuts in the end
[05:21:47] <richlowe> but I may just be misparsing the way he generated it.
[05:21:58] <richlowe> long day, not nearly enough sleep before it.
[05:22:01] <gisburn> Tpenta: technicially it is a functional superset, however the attempt to emulate the /usr/bin/getconf behaviour is tricky since this shitty piece of code contains some tweaks for backwards-compatibility
[05:22:10] <icon> need to look at the language a little more - ive only used ksh for small scripting stuff
[05:22:29] <dclarke> * knock *  * knock * : hello gentlemen ?
[05:22:31] <gisburn> Tpenta: the emulation for the native solaris /usr/bin/getconf is not working correctly
[05:22:44] <jamesd> gentlemen?  WHERE?
[05:22:51] <dclarke> can I drop a LARGE question in here ?
[05:23:03] * icon grabs a helmet
[05:23:08] <richlowe> large as in long, or large is in likely to cause argument? :)
[05:23:13] <jbk> be sure to flush
[05:23:13] <dclarke> exactly WHAT is the problem with anonymous access to the source code to onnv ??
[05:23:27] <richlowe> dclarke: You can't find that out.
[05:23:32] <richlowe> or rather, I doubt you can.
[05:23:41] <dclarke> what does tha tanswer mean ?
[05:23:50] <dclarke> do you mean .. no one is saying ?
[05:24:01] <Error_404> it's opensolaris
[05:24:06] <dclarke> no .. its not
[05:24:09] <Error_404> meaning sun occasionally opens it
[05:24:14] <dclarke> at the moment its just Solaris
[05:24:28] <dclarke> it was Open and then we lost the tarballs and .. everything
[05:24:28] <richlowe> dlc.sun.com is up, and source is available that way.
[05:24:39] <dclarke> I can get the latest ? tarballs ?
[05:24:44] <dclarke> one sec .. let me look
[05:24:46] <richlowe> and prior to the mercurial gate being available, you would have waited longer than this for an update.
[05:25:50] <Tpenta> rolad, if it claims to emulate /usr/bn/getconf and doesn't, then that is surely a bug isn't it?
[05:26:14] <gisburn> yes
[05:26:28] <gisburn> Tpenta: we're cycling through this since june
[05:26:32] <Tpenta> and from my reading, glen is working on it
[05:26:41] <gisburn> Tpenta: but it's solaris getconf which is complety broken
[05:26:53] <Tpenta> ummm
[05:27:00] <dclarke> HOLD on a sec here ...
[05:27:03] <gisburn> Tpenta: it relies on a hardcoded list instzead of following the standard
[05:27:08] <dclarke> I see no source avail at http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061106/
[05:27:39] <Tpenta> by definition, the builtin is trying to emulate the solaris version. hence you're opinion about it being completely broken is irrelevant
[05:27:42] <gisburn> The author of the stuff should IMO be hung, shot and fed to komodo dragons and then boiled in hot acid.
[05:27:54] <gisburn> maybe in a different order
[05:28:15] <gisburn> and preferably alive until we reach the part of the komodo dragons
[05:28:30] <Tpenta> and the bug number to change this is?
[05:28:54] <Tpenta> i mena the rfe to fix the asserted brokenness
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[05:29:28] <gisburn> Tpenta: that will never be fixed.
[05:29:36] <gisburn> Backwars compatibilty, remeber ?
[05:29:39] <Tpenta> it certainly won't if no-one bugs it
[05:29:50] <gisburn> oh come on
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[05:29:54] <Tpenta> if i under stand your concern correctly, ...
[05:30:19] <Tpenta> you are complaining about it doing things in a hard coded fashion rather than some form of dynamicity (is that a word?)
[05:30:33] <icon> gisburn: I hear death by komodo is rather painful... sepsis is a bitch ;)
[05:30:42] <Tpenta> one should be able to code it with dynamism AND keep compatibility
[05:30:49] <icon> Tpenta: i think thats been trademarked by JBoss
[05:31:04] <Error_404> RedHat
[05:31:12] <Error_404> jboss is owned by redhat now.
[05:31:18] <icon> yup. match made in hell
[05:31:29] <icon> cant stand either one of 'em... theyre made for each other ;)
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[05:32:12] <gisburn> Tpenta: the correct way would be to probe the pathconf()/etc. functions for values.
[05:32:27] <gisburn> Tpenta: however someone decicided to add a hardcoded table
[05:32:44] <gisburn> Tpenta: and now the backward-compatibility to this hack must be maintained
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[05:33:07] <Tpenta> ummmm, why could not calls to pathconf return the same values? this is implementation, not interface
[05:33:14] <sahafeez> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280048218530&rd=1&rd=1  - well i listed it
[05:34:45] <Felipe_> I'm having problem compiling in Solaris 10. issuing ./configure complains that install.sh is not installed
[05:35:09] <sahafeez> hum. path.
[05:35:15] <Error_404> err... yeah. where did you get the idea you run ./configure?
[05:35:33] <Error_404> oh... n/m... i thought you were compiling solaris itself
[05:35:40] <icon> damnit
[05:35:44] <icon> is docs.sun.com down?
[05:35:51] <gisburn> Tpenta: to me honestly: I don't know. And I really do not know why I have to fix this before the putback can be done.
[05:35:55] <gisburn> s/me/be/
[05:35:57] <Felipe_> Error_404:  trying to bootstrap gcc....  I have the SunW compiler tools installed
[05:36:22] <Felipe_> ../configure --with-as=/usr/ccs/bin/as --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --disable-nls  --disable-libgcj --enable-languages=c,c++,objc,obc++
[05:36:28] <Tpenta> gisburn, you truly dont know why it needs to be fixed. fer @#$% sake, it claims to be compatible and isnt (by your own words).
[05:36:41] <Tpenta> you don't putback with known bugs
[05:36:59] <dclarke> icon : looks up from  here
[05:37:12] <icon> dclarke: looks like its just the sol express collection thats messed up
[05:37:13] <icon> 10 is fine
[05:37:36] <Error_404> Felipe_, you do have gnu make installed, correct?
[05:37:38] <dclarke> Felipe_: what are you doing ?
[05:37:48] <dclarke> Felipe_: forget GNU make
[05:37:55] <icon> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2239
[05:38:00] <dclarke> Felipe_: use /usr/ccs/bin/make
[05:38:34] <Error_404> he's building gcc, which must be made with gnu make
[05:38:38] <dclarke> Felipe_: sorry .. use /usr/xpg4/bin/make
[05:38:47] <dclarke> Error_404: no .. it does not
[05:38:49] <Felipe_> Error_404:  I did the basic rudimintary install + sunW compiler...that's all
[05:39:02] <dclarke> Felipe_: what compiler ?
[05:39:04] <Error_404> since when? last i tried it it spewed errors
[05:39:11] <Error_404> worked fine with gnu make
[05:39:16] <dclarke> Error_404: since a long time now ..
[05:39:29] <Felipe_> dclarke I will have to use Sun's compiler
[05:39:46] <dclarke> Felipe_: no problem
[05:39:55] <dclarke> Felipe_: and thats my preference
[05:40:04] <dclarke> Felipe_: what does cc -V  say ?
[05:40:39] <dclarke> Felipe_: cc: Sun C 5.8 Patch 121016-02 2006/03/31  ???
[05:41:25] <dclarke> Felipe_: also .. are you running configure from the source directory or a sibling directory as is recommeded ?
[05:42:48] <dclarke> configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-as=/usr/ccs/bin/as --without-gnu-as --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --without-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++,f77 --enable-shared etc etc ..
[05:43:52] <Felipe_> dclarke a sibling directory....Thanks...Also is NLS support okay to compile in?
[05:44:09] <dclarke> for your first pass .. drop it
[05:44:21] <dclarke> I always do my first pass with --disable-nls
[05:44:36] <dclarke> you may do otherwise .. your call
[05:44:46] <dclarke> but please .. do run the full testsuite
[05:45:15] <Felipe_> this might be a stupid question, but how do you permanently add a directory to the path in Solaris?  I do not have bash installed
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[05:45:32] <icon> Felipe_: depends on your shell
[05:45:37] <dclarke> uh .. how did you manage to lose bash ?
[05:45:37] <icon> do this
[05:45:41] <icon> echo $SHELL
[05:45:50] <Felipe_> it's the default icon
[05:46:02] <icon> okay, so modify your path in your ~/.profile
[05:46:15] <icon> or to affect all users, use /etc/profile
[05:46:30] <dclarke> or /etc/default/login
[05:46:34] <icon> PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH; export PATH
[05:46:35] <Felipe_> great Thanks.  Solaris newbie, used to bashrc
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[05:46:48] <dclarke> Felipe_: good to have you here !
[05:46:49] <icon> bash uses sh profiles as well
[05:47:08] <dclarke> Felipe_: feel free to ask questions .. lots of them :-)
[05:47:21] <icon> dclarke: do you know of a wget'alike in the core solaris install?
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[05:47:36] <dclarke> icon : no such luck in a core install
[05:47:46] <icon> damn
[05:47:47] <dclarke> icon : otherwise its in /usr/sfw/bin
[05:47:54] <icon> was hoping i could avoid the consolodation
[05:47:57] <dclarke> icon : you have a core install only ?
[05:48:05] <icon> just looking at options
[05:48:23] <dclarke> icon : can you ftp into that box ?
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[05:48:30] <icon> this is for ports
[05:48:39] <dclarke> oh ..
[05:48:47] <icon> wanting to do this with minimal dependencies outside of core
[05:48:53] <icon> i want my cake and to eat it too ;)
[05:49:10] <icon> ksh is probably out
[05:49:19] <dclarke> I can relate
[05:49:28] <icon> other than the obvious reasons, parsing a recipie would suck
[05:49:38] <dclarke> I have a core install server running Lotus Domino 6.5.5FP1 and also Zones
[05:49:51] <icon> ahh cool
[05:49:54] <dclarke> it was .. tricky to get it all going
[05:49:57] <nachox> curl maybe?
[05:50:04] <icon> curl isnt in core
[05:50:06] <icon> that would be in sfw
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[05:50:15] <nachox> in the companion actually
[05:50:20] <icon> ahh
[05:50:43] <icon> that would explain pkginfo's lack of output ;)
[05:50:53] <icon> wget is fine, i was just looking for something in core
[05:50:58] <nachox> but you said little deps outside core, youre probablt better off installing wget
[05:51:13] <icon> SUNWwget isnt a horrible dep to have
[05:51:40] <icon> still looking like tcl is going to be the way to go
[05:51:51] * icon is probably going to hell
[05:51:52] <nachox> you can use the statically compiled wget from blastwave too :P
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[05:52:20] <dclarke> I was going to point that out ..
[05:52:34] <icon> well, eventually it would be nice if the two projects merge with each other
[05:52:41] <icon> provided dennis gets what he needs ;)
[05:53:19] <icon> id like to do this in such a way, a user just needs to install a single pkg in addition to the deps and thats it
[05:53:24] <icon> just how blastwave works today
[05:53:37] <gisburn> umpf
[05:53:49] <PosixC> does anybody know: when performing changes in dhcpmgr, should I restart the dhcp service in order that this changes will take effect ? (svcadm restart svc:/network/dhcp-server:default)
[05:53:58] <gisburn> with ksh93 installed we could a single one-liner to replace wget
[05:54:03] <jmcp> PosixC: it might be a good idea
[05:54:08] <gisburn> s/could/could write
[05:54:13] <gisburn>  /
[05:54:34] <Tpenta> hello james
[05:54:38] <gisburn> (for pkg-get)
[05:55:10] <icon> gisburn: howso?
[05:55:35] <dclarke> icon : have no worries .. we can find ways to work together
[05:55:46] <icon> roger ;)
[05:56:05] <icon> just have to nail down the damned environment
[05:56:05] * dclarke can work with anyone .. nearly anyone
[05:56:08] <jmcp> hi Tpenta
[05:56:15] <Tpenta> seen today's blog?
[05:56:16] * dclarke and never sleeps
[05:56:43] * icon is lucky his girl is a writer
[05:56:55] <jmcp> Tpenta: nope
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[05:57:08] <icon> at least i have free time outside of work to do this
[05:57:09] <Tpenta> re month of kernel bugs and the solaris/ufs one
[05:57:24] <nachox> gisburn: i still have to learn to deal with sockets with ksh :)
[05:57:54] <icon> gisburn: alright, how about this. sell me on ksh93 for the ports collection ;)
[05:58:09] <dclarke> damn ... returns ENOSPC to lufs_alloc()
[05:58:18] * dclarke reads and scratches chin
[05:58:31] <dclarke> Tpenta : this is a nastly little bugger
[05:58:44] <dclarke> who reported this ?
[05:58:54] <dclarke> I mean .. under what conditions ?
[05:59:07] <Tpenta> dclarke, I am arguing that we could stop it panicing by letting iit do that
[05:59:12] <icon> gisburn: at a minimum i need to be able to deal with ndbm/bdb databases, download from http/ftp, handle semi-complex file parsing
[05:59:12] <dclarke> its damn rare to have a bug like this I suspect
[05:59:23] <icon> im not a ksh wizard, so assume i know nothing
[05:59:29] <Tpenta> it's a massaged filesystem with a bad superblock
[06:00:06] <dclarke> perhaps the procedural way out of this is to say that the OS can not be liable for a bad  state UFS filesystem
[06:00:12] <dclarke> but thats weak
[06:00:29] <Error_404> although it's technically a bug, you kinna have to go out of your way to find it
[06:00:36] <PosixC> jmcp, maybe you can help me : I am having a problem for two days trying to install T2000 from network
[06:00:46] <PosixC> I configure dhcpmgr according to docs, and
[06:00:47] <PosixC> restarted the dhcp server.
[06:01:01] <PosixC> I also installed install server according to docs
[06:01:09] <gisburn> PosixC: jumpstart ?
[06:01:09] <PosixC> I ran:
[06:01:15] <dclarke> well .. the best bugs are hidden in a stack of nested ifs and case swwitches until you hit a condition that no one saw coming
[06:01:30] <PosixC> gisburn, not jumpstart , but according to :
[06:01:31] * dclarke my opinion
[06:01:35] <gisburn> PosixC: did you ever tried to run it without DHCP ?
[06:01:54] <PosixC> yes
[06:01:57] <jmcp> PosixC: if you've followed the instructions in the System Adminstration Guide on docs.sun.com then you shouldn't have any problems
[06:02:01] <PosixC> and I also get an error
[06:02:13] <PosixC> a moment I will exactly depict the problem
[06:02:21] <icon> gisburn: gotta sec?
[06:02:46] <gisburn> icon: ?!
[06:02:51] <nachox> jmcp: i think i heard the same exacly from the iss support guys, needless to say i was having problems and their manual did suck ;)
[06:02:53] <dclarke> Tpenta : I'm working up a relatively intelligent response to your blog .. a comment I mean
[06:02:55] * gisburn is half asleep
[06:03:07] <PosixC> OK
[06:03:17] <PosixC> I ran : boot net:dhcp - install from T2000 console
[06:03:20] <icon> gisburn: haha sorry. convince me to use ksh93 ;)
[06:03:24] <jmcp> nachox: bummer. it should "just work(tm)"
[06:03:27] <PosixC> TimeOut waiting for BOOTP/DHCP
[06:03:27] <PosixC> TFTP server not specified
[06:03:27] <PosixC> Boot load failed
[06:03:34] <PosixC> this is what I see on the T2000
[06:03:36] <Tpenta> dclarke, the problem at the moment is that it proceeds to try to derference something bad. I argue that befor eit gets that far, it should sanity check and return 0 if it is not sane
[06:03:37] <dclarke> I feel the urge to write a top ten list tonight
[06:03:50] <PosixC> I also ran sniffer on the server: snoop -v  dhcp
[06:03:53] <PosixC> what I see is:
[06:03:58] <dclarke> Tpenta: its a damn good argument and a safe way to go
[06:03:58] <PosixC> 1) DHCPDISCOVER
[06:04:01] <jmcp> PosixC: so it looks like your t2k isn't on the same subnet as the dhcp server, or the dhcp server doesn't know it needs to reply
[06:04:11] <jmcp> or, that it does reply but that it doesn't know what files to send
[06:04:18] <gisburn> icon: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/rssread.ksh has some simple/braindead networking code which pretends to be a HTTP client.
[06:04:25] <PosixC> " that it does reply but that it doesn't know what files to send"
[06:04:32] <icon> gisburn: groovy
[06:04:35] <PosixC> seems more likely what happens
[06:04:39] <PosixC> because
[06:04:52] <icon> gisburn: what does ksh give me over something like perl or tcl?
[06:04:53] <nachox> gisburn: thanks :)
[06:05:01] <dclarke> has anyone looked here lately ? : http://www.blastwave.org/top10/
[06:05:12] <jmcp> dclarke: didn't realise you'd updated it
[06:05:20] <dclarke> I think its time for top 10 computer bugs of all time
[06:05:29] <gisburn> icon: and http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/prototype004/usr/src/lib/libshell/common/fun/gnaw.ksh is our little pacman clone.
[06:05:42] <PosixC> I see : DHCPOFFER and then
[06:05:45] <dclarke> like the Intel Pentium floating point div bug
[06:05:50] <jmcp> dclarke: well, RTM's exploitation of that sendmail bug should be on the list
[06:05:51] <PosixC> DHCPREQUEST with Client Class Identifier = "SUNW.Sun-Fire-T200"
[06:06:04] <PosixC> and then DHCPACK from the server
[06:06:21] <dclarke> and the "ping of death" bug
[06:06:26] <Felipe_> boneheaded me did not install the sun compilers.  Downloading now from Sun. :)
[06:06:39] <dclarke> Felipe_: good man
[06:06:42] <galt> dclarke, which one, apparently people are convinced that the fdiv bug isn't the same one throughout five generations of processors
[06:06:44] <icon> gisburn: is there a good reference out there on ksh93 guts other than kornshell.com ?
[06:07:01] <PosixC> jmcp, any idea if the DHCPACK should include parameters for bootp?
[06:07:07] <jmcp> PosixC: no ide
[06:07:08] <jmcp> a
[06:07:11] <gisburn> icon: david korn write a large book... but beyond taht... I don't know.
[06:07:13] <dclarke> galt : the one that affected the Pentium P90 proc in 1996 or so
[06:07:22] <icon> hmm
[06:07:27] <gisburn> icon: NHI has a large collection of scripts for bioinformatics
[06:07:34] <galt> dclarke, I guess my facetiousness wasn't showing...
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[06:07:40] <icon> my big worry is maintainability
[06:07:47] <icon> the scripts will end up getting pretty convoluted
[06:07:52] <dclarke> g4lt-mordant: oh .. sorry
[06:08:01] <icon> tcl is a little easier to manage with packaging etc.
[06:08:26] <g4lt-mordant> dclarke, I submit that the "2-sigma" bug propagated all the way through to the pentium and beyond
[06:08:31] <jmcp> dclarke: we are pentium of borg, you will be approximated
[06:09:02] <LeftWing> icon: A pity python isn't as embedded as perl is. =P
[06:09:15] <icon> meh, i hate python more than i do perl :)
[06:09:17] <gisburn> icon: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/mandelbrotset1.ksh
[06:09:17] <jmcp> LeftWing: that's because it curls all around you. perl(s) just lie there
[06:09:26] <LeftWing> icon: Bah! Sacrilige. =)
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[06:09:30] <gisburn> icon: shows coprocess/worker job usage
[06:09:34] <icon> hmm
[06:09:45] <icon> python forgets the fact that it *is* a scripting language
[06:09:45] <g4lt-mordant> LeftWing, why?  python needs that one library that's nor part of sun libc
[06:09:52] <icon> if you want oo, use java or c++ :P
[06:09:52] <dclarke> oh to heck with it .. its been done : http://awads.net/wp/2005/12/05/ten-worst-software-bugs/
[06:10:01] <icon> thats a good one dclarke
[06:10:02] <jmcp> dclarke: the NASA metric->imperial conversion f*up
[06:10:26] <icon> activestate has been pushing 'dynamic languages'... heh.
[06:11:01] <LeftWing> icon: C++ is crap.  Perl forgets it's a scripting language just as much as perl does.  Hell, people are writing GUIs in JavaScript these days (AJAX).
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[06:11:11] <LeftWing> s/as perl/as python/g
[06:11:23] <icon> i dont see ritchie  and kerninghan running around apolgizing for c being compiled ;)
[06:11:53] <LeftWing> There's nothing wrong with compiled languages, but dynamic languages have their place too.
[06:11:58] <icon> LeftWing: ajax doesnt have anything to do with gui, its just async communication with xml (or json) but still
[06:12:03] <icon> LeftWing: scripting languages you mean :)
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[06:12:24] <LeftWing> icon: Yes, scripting languages, I was just using the nomenclature above. ;P
[06:12:29] <gisburn> LeftWing: internally ksh93 is a compiled language, too.
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[06:12:36] <icon> ;)
[06:12:37] <dclarke> jmcp: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/news/mco990930.html
[06:12:38] <icon> </troll>
[06:12:51] <g4lt-mordant> LeftWing, why yes, interpreted languages DO have their place: the 1970's along with disco and pet rocks
[06:12:54] <LeftWing> icon: I know what AJAX is, but it's part of a 'Web 2.0' craze full of applications written in one of the worst platforms of all time.
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[06:13:37] <icon> LeftWing: meh. webheads in general are worse than kids on crack
[06:13:46] <icon> jumping from shiny thing to shiny thing
[06:13:49] <LeftWing> Yeah.
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[06:14:04] <jmcp> g4lt-mordant: I thought pet rocks were an 80s thing
[06:14:05] <LeftWing> Creating bubbles all over the place with their foolish consumerism!
[06:14:19] <icon> 'Can I get that icon in cornflower blue?'
[06:14:24] <LeftWing> haha
[06:14:27] <g4lt-mordant> jmcp, nyet, introduced in 1977 IIRC
[06:14:32] <dclarke> icon : ha ha ha ...
[06:14:33] <jmcp> wow
[06:14:40] <jmcp> g4lt-mordant: I must have been a bit early
[06:14:44] <LeftWing> g4lt-mordant: You sound like you're talking from experience. ;P
[06:15:19] <g4lt-mordant> LeftWing, I remmeber making one as a craft project in school, just before we used quarter pounder styrofoam containers to make puppets
[06:15:30] <LeftWing> Ahh.
[06:15:34] <icon> man those were the days
[06:15:35] <icon> mc dlt's
[06:16:02] <g4lt-mordant> new coke
[06:16:14] <icon> you felt like you were getting something significant... a big ass package of styrofoam goodness you could put your fries in when you put your burger together
[06:16:20] <icon> clear pepsi ;)
[06:16:45] <icon> or coke in the bottle... we used to get those delivered to our door
[06:17:00] * jmcp remembers that
[06:17:04] <dclarke> okay .. sorry .. I don't like wasteing other peoples time but I have to share this "The Top Ten Lies of Engineers" : http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/04/the_top_ten_lie.html
[06:17:08] <g4lt-mordant> when bottle rockets meant something
[06:17:27] <icon> dclarke: nice ;)
[06:18:13] <LeftWing> dclarke: He appears to be focusing on software engineers. =P
[06:18:53] <dclarke> yes .. I see no mention of civel engineers .. an oxymoron at best
[06:19:08] <icon> alright guys, im out for the night
[06:19:09] <icon> take care
[06:19:27] <icon> gisburn: thanks for the links, ill take a look at them later on and see what i can get worked out
[06:19:31] * icon &
[06:20:33] * LeftWing is glad to be rattling towards a Computer Engineering degree rather than a Software Engineering one.
[06:21:35] <g4lt-mordant> LeftWing, be original, do something useful.  get a degree in math instead
[06:22:00] <Triskelios> does the X consolidation in b52/b53 have a newer mouse driver?
[06:22:22] <LeftWing> g4lt-mordant: I am concurrently rattling in the direction of a Computer Science degree, which has enough math for my liking.
[06:22:34] <Tpenta> dennis, i have just updated a link to the logegd bug in that page, but it probably won't be there until tomorrow
[06:23:49] <g4lt-mordant> LeftWing, and then you have a highly specialized degree that gives you no more job-based training than a generic sciences degree or a libera larts degree
[06:24:07] <dclarke> Tpenta: update lag ?
[06:24:13] <g4lt-mordant> damn, appropriate typo
[06:24:22] <LeftWing> Hah, larts.
[06:24:25] <Tpenta> well i dont know how often bugtraq is pushed to b.o.o
[06:24:48] <LeftWing> g4lt-mordant: It depends on what job I want to do, really. =P
[06:24:50] <dclarke> slight typo in your blog .. no biggie
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[06:25:25] <dclarke> I should note at this point that the source I am quoting is from teh same source tree as opensolaris.
[06:25:44] <Tpenta> i thought I caught all of the "teh"s
[06:26:02] <dclarke> that one was bold .. so .. you may miss it
[06:26:23] <jmcp> Tpenta: you're missing a closing </tt> after the "It's dieing in a subsequent <tt>ioctl(2)"
[06:26:28] <jmcp> should be dying too, btw
[06:26:29] <dclarke> I have noticed that in my own writing I find the small typos but miss the bloody big ones
[06:26:31] * jmcp pedants again
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[06:26:44] <Tpenta> hard for me to spot as in my browser they show up as sans serf fonts for both
[06:26:58] <jmcp> your browser is clearly substandard
[06:27:03] <jmcp> :)
[06:27:14] <dclarke> I use FireFox 2.0 from Blastwave
[06:27:17] <LeftWing> Sub-par! =D
[06:27:21] <dclarke> its free .. just go get it
[06:27:30] <Tpenta> s/<\/t>/<\/tt>/p
[06:27:43] <dclarke> want ot see a brilliant example of a bold typo in the wrong place ?
[06:27:46] <jmcp> dclarke: it's ok, I'm only taunting Tpenta because he doesn't use Serif'd fonts :)
[06:27:58] <Tpenta> i could modify stuff to use seriffed fonts for proprtional (i probably should)
[06:28:13] <dclarke> go to buy a Solaris support contract at : http://www.sun.com/service/serviceplans/solaris/index.xml
[06:28:24] <dclarke> click on "Get it Now" button to buy
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[06:29:04] <dclarke> eventually you have to agree to the "SUN TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SERVICE"
[06:29:12] <Tpenta> now that's interesting, i have time new roman as my browser default
[06:29:14] * boyd just read that post... good grief.. next they'l be saying "if you can convince someone with privilege to load your kernel module then you can crash the system.. and calling it a DOS"
[06:29:29] <dclarke> IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL THESE TERMS, DO NOT CHECK THE "I AGRRE" CHECK BOX.
[06:29:56] <dclarke> no problem .. according to the strict letter of the law .. Sun is liable and the customer is not
[06:29:57] <Tpenta> boyd: it's a little worse post nv_51
[06:30:11] <Tpenta> boyd: I believe that hal et al will automatically mount a ufs
[06:30:12] <Felipe_> I'm trying to find a ftp link for the studio11-sol-x86.tar.bz2.  I downloaded off the web via my Gentoo linux box.  Transferring the file from a VMWare session using ftp is painfully slow.
[06:30:25] <boyd> Tpenta: hmm.. true.
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[06:31:11] <dclarke> well geez .. how can I check the "I AGRRE" Check Box ?  No such thing exists on that page
[06:31:23] <boyd> Tpenta: So the correct fox to maintain platform features compatible with Windows is to also load any autorun kernel modules on mount
[06:31:36] * Tpenta shudders
[06:31:43] <Error_404> boyd, "injecting insecure pieces of code in to the kernel, recompiling, and booting the kernel may result in a remote root exploit"
[06:32:14] <LeftWing> If you sign up for an x86 support contract, are you programmatically denied access to the SPARC patches?
[06:32:19] <boyd> "Shutting down the machine and disconnecting the power may cause an interruption of service"
[06:32:22] <Tpenta> does that make kernel trap a potential dos? (assuems an all innocense pose)
[06:32:24] * dclarke hands Tpenta a blanket
[06:32:53] <Error_404> lol
[06:32:59] <Tpenta> I froot runs this kernel trap script, the system will panic causing a mssive DOS
[06:33:02] * boyd checks the remotely explotable ssh SunAlert from 3 days ago for any workaround
[06:33:03] <dclarke> want a DOS ?  no problem .. a fork bomb will do the trick
[06:33:42] <Tpenta> or worse, if someone with the appropriate privilege runs "dtrace -w -n 'BEGIN {panic();}' it will induce a denial of service
[06:33:47] <LeftWing> "Installing Windows over the top of your Solaris installation may impede the ability to log in via SSH."
[06:33:48] <dclarke> or .. just read tons of data from /dev/random from multipel threads as fast as possible .. bingo .. 100% busy in the kernel
[06:34:11] <dclarke> ha ha
[06:34:26] <Error_404> or attempt to do an svn checkout of polaris, evidently
[06:34:30] <boyd> Actually I was referring to this one: http://blogs.sun.com/security/entry/sun_alert_102711_security_vulnerabilities
[06:34:35] <Error_404> that one nuked my machine
[06:34:38] <dclarke> Error_404: eh ?
[06:34:39] <Error_404> though i blame my machine
[06:34:51] <Error_404> (it's pretty terrible)
[06:35:06] <dclarke> Error_404: you killed your ODW ?
[06:35:11] <Error_404> i don't have an ODW
[06:35:17] <Error_404> you haven't mailed it yet
[06:35:18] <dclarke> oops
[06:35:21] <Error_404> ;)
[06:35:22] <dclarke> my fault
[06:35:29] <Error_404> i was talking about my fileserver
[06:35:30] <dclarke> it on the floor here .. looking at me
[06:35:43] <dclarke> and my wife tells me I _have_ to clean up a bit down here
[06:35:51] <Error_404> she's a smart woman
[06:36:10] <Error_404> heh
[06:37:14] <dclarke> you have no idea
[06:37:27] <dclarke> earlier today she received her marks on oncology
[06:37:37] <dclarke> well .. oncological medicine
[06:37:44] <dclarke> a 97%
[06:37:48] <dclarke> on her exam
[06:37:59] <dclarke> so .. that fairly bright I figure
[06:38:02] <Error_404> oh, rad
[06:38:06] <Error_404> congrats to her
[06:38:17] <dclarke> she beat out nurses that were in oncology for years
[06:38:46] <dclarke> in this household I am afraid to take correspondence courses because I'll have the lowest marks
[06:39:02] <dclarke> but .. I believe in life long study in various fields
[06:39:25] <dclarke> so Tracy, despite being in her 40's like me .. dive into some medical courses
[06:39:43] <dclarke> but .. I'm a slob .. and she tells me I have to clean up this mess
[06:39:52] <dclarke> so .. I really do have to ship that ODW
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[06:40:56] <Error_404> well, there's no shame in having the lowest marks in the house
[06:41:00] <Error_404> someone has to
[06:41:36] <Error_404> anything in particular you're interested in taking?
[06:41:49] <dclarke> Calculus refresher
[06:42:06] <Error_404> *nod*
[06:42:13] <dclarke> and most likely a review on stochastic processes
[06:42:44] <dclarke> I did some post-grad work in materials sciences and stochastic processes
[06:42:55] <dclarke> it was pretty weird science at the time
[06:43:52] <Error_404> *nod*
[06:44:23] <dclarke> it landed me a job in Pratt & Whitney ... and ended my masters work
[06:44:53] <dclarke> oh well .. tungsten fiber matrix ceramics were very hot technology back then
[06:45:15] <dclarke> Pratt used that sort of stuff in the exhaust ports of certain jet engines
[06:45:47] <dclarke> it allowed for something called vector thrust control surfaces
[06:46:07] <dclarke> essentially .. lets steer the jet exhaust
[06:46:42] <Triskelios> literally very hot technology
[06:46:59] <Error_404> Oh, like thrust reversers
[06:47:22] <dclarke> well .. yeah
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[06:47:28] <dclarke> sort of .. only focused
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[06:47:57] <dclarke> http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs/May02/DRC9655.html  <<- this is related
[06:48:13] <dclarke> it wasn't public knowledge in the 80's
[06:48:44] <dclarke> because the F117 stealth figher employs it to change directions without the creation of wake turbulence
[06:50:35] <Error_404> interesting
[06:51:41] <dclarke> here http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/propulsion/q0095.shtml
[06:51:56] <dclarke> geez ... that would have got you shot once upon a time
[06:52:05] <dclarke> now anyone can look it up
[06:52:08] <dclarke> go figure
[06:52:33] <dclarke> what I find really spooky is that when I was at Pratt the Blackbird was being decomissioned
[06:52:52] <dclarke> it was about thirth years old and it broke every speed record on its final flight
[06:53:14] <dclarke> makes you think twice about what is in experimental stages today
[06:54:03] <kleppari> dclarke, I'll lend you my X-Files collection :P
[06:54:19] <dclarke> I hav the whole set :-)
[06:55:02] <boyd> dclarke: I don't see anything on that page that a smart 15yo couldn't think up
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[06:55:17] <kleppari> dclarke, heh heh ;-)
[06:55:19] <jbk> i'm sure the devil is in the details
[06:55:49] <Error_404> although on the other hand, there's no real overarching threat that can afford that much research like the soviets, so who knows... maybe there's not a whole ton currently out there
[06:55:52] <dclarke> boyd : that 15 year old never needed to mix an airfuel chamber at mach 2.5
[06:56:16] <boyd> dclarke: Sure but you were talking about that page, not some other problem
[06:56:35] <dclarke> leading edge shockwave mechanics at the intack ports are a problem
[06:56:50] <dclarke> boyd : oh .. that was a crayon drawing
[06:59:02] <dclarke> okay .. gotta go crash for a bit
[06:59:05] <dclarke> maybe ..
[06:59:44] <Error_404> go to the post office
[06:59:49] <Error_404> or greyhound
[07:00:16] <Error_404> heh
[07:00:19] <Error_404> g'nite
[07:00:23] <Felipe_> another dumb question: path of sun compilers on solaris 10 dvd?
[07:01:09] <Error_404> Felipe_, http://www.sun.com/software/products/studio/index.xml
[07:02:31] <Felipe_> Error_404:  I can't download of sun page.  Remember I just have the plain sh shell and I forgot to install the compilers at install time.  Much easier to install from solaris 10 dvd
[07:03:01] <Felipe_> Error_404:  only if sun would make it easy to ftp them off, but no they can't make it that simple :)
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[07:14:04] <Felipe_> Error_404:  do you know the actual package name for the sun compilers?  (pkgid)
[07:14:13] <twincest> there are no compilers on the DVD
[07:14:18] <twincest> use wget to download them from sun.com
[07:15:00] <Error_404> Felipe_: SUNWspro, but they're not on the dvd
[07:15:54] <Felipe_> twincest:  I would if the url wasn't so long.  Can't paste into a vmware session
[07:16:23] <Error_404> which is not a real loss, imo... there's no real reason why you'd want a compiler on a production box
[07:16:29] <Felipe_> I guess I could ssh into the Solaris guest, than I would have to install openssh and openssl from the dvd
[07:16:40] <Felipe_> Error_404:  it's not a production box :)
[07:16:58] <Error_404> why exactly do you not have X11, anyways?
[07:16:59] <twincest> error: um, what about for compiling things?
[07:17:10] <Error_404> twincest, that's what crash&burn machines are for
[07:17:34] <twincest> oh right.  i'll just dedicate an entire machine to compiling something every couple of months :)
[07:17:35] <Error_404> compile, test if it works, drag the binaries over to the production machine
[07:18:29] <Error_404> spend $20 on a U2 if you use SPARC in production ( you'll have to spend $100 for a sempron64 system if you do opteron)
[07:18:30] <Felipe_> why not just have it on the production box and run the tools within a chrooted jail?
[07:19:09] <Error_404> if you've got the clock cycles to burn
[07:19:36] <twincest> or don't spend $100 and compile it on an existing system
[07:21:46] <Error_404> *shrug* to each their own i s'pose
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[08:42:43] <PosixC> question regarding net install (I am stuck with it , sorry): is /etc/bootparams part of the game ? is it a must when booting using DHCP ?
[08:48:27] <sahafeez> dclarke: i am thinking about trying to get into med school and i am 34...so it is never to late
[08:53:45] <Error_404> of course it's never too late for school
[08:54:02] <Error_404> my mom became a school teacher at 48
[09:01:55] <LeftWing> So did mine!
[09:02:12] <LeftWing> Actually more like 47.
[09:06:33] <ofu> can you mirror a raidz or raidz2-pool? to create raid15/16?
[09:06:55] <ofu> what about failure of a whole disk shelf otherwise?
[09:07:51] <Tpenta> then that's likely to be a controller. you replace the controller and voila, the data is still theer
[09:08:42] <ofu> controller?
[09:09:05] <jamesd> ofu, why not just  use mirror instead of  raidz in the first place, you wouldn't get much extra redundancy by mirroring raidz and it would be faster.
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[09:10:14] <jamesd> to mirror  6 disks raidz.. you need   12 disks.. when you could get the same by 10  disks mirrored and keep  2 disks hot spares...
[09:10:33] <ofu> i think about building my own clustered nfs-server (fc-storages, sun cluster, zfs)
[09:10:46] <ofu> no write cache, except in the storages
[09:11:09] <Tpenta> why would you need to do both raidz and mirroring, all of the raids are simply a "cheaper" way to do mirroring
[09:11:10] <jamesd> ofu one word  thumper ...  its all been done for you.
[09:11:23] <ofu> even clustering?
[09:11:36] <Error_404> for a NFS server?
[09:11:37] <jamesd> zfs doesn't support clustering yet.
[09:11:37] <twincest> tpenta: i thought raid 5+0 is quite common for large disk sets
[09:11:45] <twincest> hm, although that's not mirroring
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[09:12:31] <ofu> Error_404: right now, all our data is on NetApp Filers, I thought about building something as stable using zfs and sun cluster
[09:12:45] <ofu> clustering is essential
[09:13:15] <jamesd> no cluster support is availible yet...  its coming...  but not even in beta test yet.
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[09:14:14] <ofu> hmmm, what about zpool import -f on the standby-server? the on-disk-data is always valid, so turning off write-cache should be enough, i suppose
[09:14:51] <sahafeez> ofu: what is wrong with the netapps? they in general are good boxes
[09:15:11] <ofu> too slow, too little cpu
[09:15:18] <jamesd> ofu, if the first machine just had a minor hickup and didn't complete the time... both machines will crash and data is likely to be corrupt on the filesystem as well.
[09:15:50] <sahafeez> if the netapp's are too slow are going going to move to a SAN setup?
[09:16:07] <ofu> will this speed up the cpus in the filer?
[09:16:52] <jamesd> x4500 ( thumper) can support up  2GB/s of IO... and cost as low as  $2/GB ...
[09:17:16] <ofu> right now we use 960c, but 6070c is sooo expensive. And not scaling very well
[09:17:27] <sahafeez> no, what i am asking is how do you define too slow? netapp are pretty damn fast setup right. then can fill the wire. if it fills the wire and it is still too slow then going to another NAS would not be the right way to go
[09:17:30] <jamesd> oh well.. bed time.. sleep well all .
[09:18:04] <ofu> sahafeez: every 960 does about 35MByte/sec of NFS
[09:18:27] <ofu> and about 20-25K NFS ops (v3)
[09:18:37] <sahafeez> hum. is that the max - i have not looked at a netapp for years but i did work there ;)
[09:19:04] <ofu> spec.org says that they are exactly that fast
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[09:19:27] <sahafeez> thought about changing the head out for a bigger one?
[09:20:11] <ofu> yeah, the next step would be the top-of-the-line 6070... very expensive
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[09:20:38] <sahafeez> hum. what is the thru-put on the thumper
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[09:21:04] <sahafeez> btw, IIRC bluearc is the fastest..
[09:21:29] <ofu> thumper will not generate enough io and is not clustered
[09:21:43] <ofu> yes, we already talked to bluearc, very nice systems
[09:21:57] <sahafeez> is this storage for servers or users?
[09:22:04] <ofu> servers
[09:22:36] <ofu> the content on the netapps are 2mio web-sites
[09:22:47] <sahafeez> well then look at doing a SAN vs NAS
[09:23:17] <ofu> that would not work with our loadbalancing-setup
[09:23:39] <ofu> every webserver has to mount the same volume
[09:23:55] <ofu> would this be possible via SAN?
[09:24:23] <sahafeez> hum.
[09:25:00] <sahafeez> so you have some webservers that have a SLB for traffic with a backend of NAS boxes for the data storage.
[09:25:25] <ofu> yes
[09:26:12] <sahafeez> 2 netapps - mirrored being hit by how many servers?
[09:26:34] <ofu> what do you mean?
[09:26:49] <sahafeez> you have mirrored netapp volumes right?
[09:26:55] <ofu> we use 4 960-clusters and about 20 webservers
[09:27:02] <sahafeez> ok.
[09:27:17] <sahafeez> a SAN would not work
[09:27:27] <sahafeez> you could split the cluster
[09:27:39] <sahafeez> 10 servers per 2 netapps
[09:28:05] <sahafeez> but them you need the data set the same in real time right?
[09:28:18] <ofu> no, the content is distributed to all volumes on all filers
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[09:29:17] <ofu> i had to split the data first if i wanted to split the cluster
[09:29:34] <ofu> but this would not make it any faster, i think
[09:30:02] <sahafeez> does the data change? do you have to have all 20 servers mounting the same NFS share?
[09:30:41] <ofu> yes, all servers mount the same shares, change rate is not very high
[09:30:51] <bougie> hello :)
[09:31:15] <ofu> 20% in one month
[09:31:22] <sahafeez> but the data set has to be the same between servers. so if you had 2 clusters the data has to stay the same.
[09:32:05] <ofu> cluster1 has different data on his disks than cluster2
[09:32:23] <sahafeez> we are talking different things i think.
[09:32:44] <sahafeez> websrv1 mount /stuff as well as websrv2?
[09:33:14] <ofu> yes, all webservers mount filerx:/vol/y to /mnt/internet
[09:33:46] <sahafeez> is the content on the web static or?
[09:33:53] <ofu> with x and y being all filers and volumes we have
[09:34:25] <ofu> no, also dynamic, php-session-ids are put in a dedicated volume
[09:35:29] <sahafeez> what is the most hit thing on the nfs? are you caching anything on the server and how much of the data can be cached?
[09:36:30] <ofu> we thought about caching, but this brings several consistency problems. the access patterns are purely random
[09:37:38] <sahafeez> hum. well a transparent cache should not bring any consisitency issues. is the whole page dynamic? how much of the page is jpgs? text? etc..
[09:38:06] <sahafeez> you are using apache right?
[09:38:09] <ofu> i tried cachefs, but it didnt work out
[09:38:10] <ofu> yes
[09:38:29] <ofu> we are talking about 600Mio files total
[09:38:31] <sahafeez> ok, try this for a test.
[09:38:58] <ofu> disk based caching has to be apache >2.2
[09:39:15] <sahafeez> put another nic in a webserver and make an new backend network. put a fast box running squid and have apache setup to ask squid 1st
[09:39:40] <sahafeez> for a test. see how much can be cached without breaking
[09:39:57] <twincest> careful with squid.  no ports or /dev/poll support, it scales very poorly
[09:40:17] <ofu> that might be an interesting test, yes
[09:40:26] <sahafeez> it is a test. to see how much stuff is just fluf - jpg's etc.
[09:40:33] * ofu has breakfast
[09:40:40] <sahafeez> use a cacheflow or a netcache or something
[09:41:55] <sahafeez> i have had a setup before like this - tons of foundry server irons in front of 400 webservers with netapps on the backend with a common mount. had the same issues.
[09:42:28] <sahafeez> built another network and attached a squid proxy and had apache ask squid before the netapp was hit.
[09:42:35] <LeftWing> Java System Web Proxy is pretty reasonable -- not constrained by squid's scalability/threading issues and pretty configurable.
[09:42:38] <sahafeez> took the load down 54%
[09:43:05] <sahafeez> whatever does not mater to me what he uses. squid is the simple cache all for proxing
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[10:11:44] <Gr|ffous> hi guys, I'm trying to troubleshoot interupts on my machine. With vmstat, I'm showing around half a million in/sec, which I'm assured isn't normal. If dtrace is the only way of getting the info, I'll need someone to walk me through it as I barely understand truss -p
[10:13:57] <sickness> have a look at these examples first http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/dtrace/scripts/
[10:14:12] <loke> Gr|ffous: this is a good document: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223
[10:14:58] <Gr|ffous> thanks guys, I shall take a look
[10:15:17] <loke> Gr|ffous: there is a probe for interrupt firing, aggregate on the stack trace in that probe
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[10:34:25] <Burana> I have a question about ZFS checksumming. Data is first written to the ZIL and after that commited to the stable storage. I guess the checksum is calculated in the ZIL, and after the data is written to the stable disk, the data is read again immediatly, and then checked again the checksum?
[10:34:53] <Burana> or is the data written to the ZIL also checked against the checksum?
[10:35:27] <PosixC> can anybody help me with this problem I am stuck with : tftp and rarp installation of t2000 ?
[10:35:38] <Burana> PosixC: depends?
[10:36:01] <PosixC> I see that RARP is OK and I see in snopp -v port 69 that
[10:36:21] <PosixC> the first TFTP message is sent from the T2000 client to the install server
[10:36:25] <PosixC> but that's ot
[10:36:30] <PosixC> that's it I mean
[10:37:03] <PosixC> even that I ran the tftp with -d there are no messages saying what's the problem
[10:37:34] <Burana> the install server doesn't answer the request?
[10:37:45] <PosixC> exactly
[10:37:56] <Burana> the install server is on the same subnet?
[10:38:09] <PosixC> yes;
[10:38:12] <Auralis> is bootp running, is the nfsserver running, shared correctly?
[10:38:15] <Burana> good :-)
[10:38:44] <PosixC> /usr/sbin/rpc.bootparamd is running
[10:39:29] <Burana> Jumpstart is nice, if it runs. but I never ever get it running the first time, one of the bunch of daemons is always hanging...
[10:39:59] <LeftWing> heh
[10:40:00] <PosixC> I tried also and am desperate with it so I am trying with tftp and rarp
[10:40:16] <Auralis> is the nfsserver running on the jumpstart machine?
[10:40:21] <Burana> can you snoop -v server?
[10:40:42] <PosixC> Auralis,  svc:/network/nfs/server:default is online
[10:40:51] <PosixC> Auralis, what do you mean by bootp?
[10:40:55] <Auralis> whats the output from share?
[10:41:30] <PosixC> share gives : -               /   rw=user1,root=user1   ""
[10:41:30] <Burana> restart all the daemons... sometimes they are running but not correctly
[10:41:46] <Auralis> that will never work
[10:42:05] <PosixC> Auralis, why ? the install server is under /
[10:42:13] <lasseoe> PosixC: did you even read a jumpstart tutorial ?
[10:42:26] <Auralis> share -F nfs -o ro,anon=0 /path/to/installserver
[10:42:32] <PosixC> lasseoe,  let me exaplain:
[10:42:39] <lasseoe> nah don't bother
[10:42:43] <PosixC> I had shared / for other reasons
[10:42:47] <PosixC> on that machine
[10:42:53] <PosixC> so when I add
[10:43:04] <PosixC> share -F nfs ///
[10:43:22] <PosixC> it says that the parent directory is already shared
[10:43:43] <PosixC> you know what - If you think this matters I will remove the sharing of /
[10:44:00] <PosixC> and add sharing only of /installServerSparc
[10:44:08] <Auralis> yes it does matters
[10:44:22] <PosixC> Auralis, ok , I will try
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[10:45:10] <Fish> hello
[10:45:27] <PosixC> Auralis, when you asked "is bootp running" => did you mean bootparams ?
[10:45:27] <PosixC> or something else ?
[10:45:27] <PosixC> because
[10:45:28] <PosixC> ps -ef | grep boot
[10:45:40] <PosixC> gives only /usr/sbin/rpc.bootparamd and /usr/sadm/lib/smc/bin/smcboot
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[10:46:39] <Auralis> yes
[10:49:28] <PosixC> Auralis, thnks
[10:53:12] <PosixC> I am dying ... tried  svcadm restart vc:/network/tftp/udp:default
[10:53:27] <PosixC> It did not say an errors, but ps -ef | grep tftp
[10:53:30] <PosixC> shows nothing
[10:53:48] <PosixC> and there are no kernel messages either
[10:54:26] <PosixC> should I run it by /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -d -s /tftpboot ?
[11:01:49] <boyd> tftp is a start-on-demand service. does it list as enabled in svcs tftp/udp?
[11:02:43] <LeftWing>  /installServerSparc should be shared something along the lines of  ro,anon=0 from memory...
[11:02:46] <trygvis> grr .. how can I make the solaris installer use nfs 3 instead of nfs 4?
[11:03:07] <boyd> trygvis: Change the server?
[11:03:34] <LeftWing> There are BOOTP/DHCP options you can set to change installer root mount options from memory...
[11:03:43] <trygvis> boyd: clever ..
[11:04:00] <boyd> LeftWing is cleverer
[11:04:12] <LeftWing> Well boyd's solution is simpler. :)
[11:04:17] <PosixC> boyd  , tftp it is list as "online"
[11:04:32] <boyd> PosixC: Then there is no reason at the moment to assume it's not working
[11:04:41] <LeftWing> PosixC: What does "share" output now?
[11:04:51] <PosixC> svcs | grep tftp
[11:04:52] <PosixC> online         12:02:22 svc:/network/tftp/udp:default
[11:04:54] <boyd> PosixC: I would not expect any processes untill something connects
[11:05:17] <PosixC> boyd, I see
[11:05:28] <PosixC> LeftWing, share gives
[11:05:50] <PosixC>  /installServerSparc is my instal serve
[11:05:55] <PosixC> should I try again
[11:05:56] <LeftWing> And what's that second part...
[11:06:22] <PosixC> LeftWing, I can get rid of it ; it is a legacy
[11:06:25] <PosixC> from trying
[11:06:39] <LeftWing> Well at any rate, "ro,anon=0" will work better.
[11:06:40] <PosixC> with congifuring a boot server
[11:06:53] <PosixC> I will try again now
[11:06:58] <PosixC> with snooping
[11:06:59] <LeftWing> Than... completely arbitrary options involving root= and rw=. =P
[11:07:53] <boyd> PosixC: What do you see on the client at boot?
[11:12:18] <PosixC> boyd, a moment
[11:18:45] <PosixC> boyd, on the client:
[11:18:46] <PosixC> Requesting Internet Address for ClinetMac
[11:19:05] <PosixC> two times this "requesting" and then:
[11:19:19] <PosixC> Time out waiting for TFTP reply
[11:19:49] <boyd> PosixC: Did you set this up with add_install_client
[11:19:50] <boyd> ?
[11:19:56] <PosixC> I have an idea : if I will add -d flag for starting tftp , where will I see the debug messages of tftp?
[11:20:26] <PosixC> boyd, I ran add_install_client before
[11:20:44] <boyd> Not sure... either in /var/adm/messages or /var/svc/log/*tftp*
[11:21:08] <LeftWing> Perhaps it's worth starting again from scratch, and following a tutorial or the docs from docs.sun.com
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[11:21:44] <PosixC> I will try to look at tftp logs
[11:21:46] <PosixC> before
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[11:55:20] <trygvis> if 10.0.0.1 is the default route, how come I'm getting messages like this while pinging: ICMP Host Unreachable from gateway mail (10.0.0.3)
[11:55:35] <trygvis> (10.0.0.3 is the machine I'm pinging fromm)
[11:56:16] <quasi> probably because the interface isn't set up right
[11:56:21] <quasi> netstat -rn
[11:56:26] <quasi> ifconfig -a
[11:56:38] <quasi> and traceroute 10.0.0.1
[11:56:49] <quasi> would be good places to start
[11:57:14] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rE0Kfr22.html
[11:57:39] <trygvis> the .3 host is a zone, .1 is in the global zone
[11:58:00] <trygvis> I'm trying to set up NAT from bge0 to bge1. all the zones are configured to use bge1
[12:00:00] <trygvis> what's weird is that the default gw line doesn't have an interface
[12:01:02] <quasi> things look more or less ok, so you'd have to check the global zone instead
[12:01:15] <quasi> the missing if is normal in zones
[12:02:04] * quasi has to run - I have a flight to catch
[12:02:28] <trygvis> same for the global zone: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rfcdRr47.html
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[12:06:25] <trygvis> anyone else?
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[12:27:45] <Burana> anybody using zfs in production?
[12:28:08] <twincest> <-
[12:28:24] <Burana> twincest: what are you storing on it?
[12:28:55] <twincest> not much, nightly backups of user homedirs from another system and a dump area for users to process large files
[12:29:08] <twincest> i tried putting a database on it, but it's not quite there yet - much slower than ufs
[12:29:35] <Burana> I'm waiting for the patches that will be integrated into solaris 11/06
[12:30:08] <Burana> i would *love* to put databases on it.
[12:30:47] <g4lt-mordant> let's see, nat uses ipf, and ipf isn't able to be used in zones
[12:31:19] <Burana> but i don't have the guts yet for bigger zfs deployments.
[12:33:40] <kimc> good morning
[12:33:57] <jmcp> Burana: scalewithrails.com (or is it joyent.com?) is in production with 22Tb on zfs
[12:35:45] <Burana> jmcp: I think with solaris 11/06 it should really be ready for production...
[12:35:54] <Burana> can't wait for it
[12:39:27] <Tpenta> james, did you get to the blog yet?
[12:39:46] <jmcp> Tpenta: did you fixup the markup typo I pointed out earlier?
[12:39:58] <Tpenta> the missing /tt ?
[12:40:02] <jmcp> yup
[12:40:07] <Tpenta> yup
[12:40:30] * jmcp sends Tpenta a referrer link ....
[12:40:31] <jmcp> :)
[12:40:36] <Tpenta> :)
[12:40:54] <Tpenta> my quick solution looks like a little bit of a kludge, but I suspect it would work
[12:41:08] <jmcp> oh, you've got another missing on just after the alloccfblock() in the next para
[12:41:50] <jmcp> that suggested fix sounds like it is on the right track at least
[12:42:45] * Tpenta removes the ^Ms as well
[12:44:46] <Tpenta> how's that?
[12:45:11] <Tpenta> I also sent off an email to the guy who "found" it
[12:45:20] <jmcp> much nicer
[12:45:43] * dlg stretch
[12:47:22] <jmcp> Tpenta: interesting thing .... if you've got struct Blah {}; then SUNWspro/bin/cc barfs on it. If you make it an opaque declaration (first cut at a fix) you then can't (obviously) use sizeof() on it
[12:47:29] * jmcp mutters @ libgphoto2
[12:47:49] <Tpenta> uhuh
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[12:48:32] <jmcp> Tpenta: I picked up my new camera yesterday, and there's no quick-n-easy way of adding support for it to libgphoto2
[12:48:41] <Tpenta> bugger
[12:48:48] <Tpenta> when is your flight?
[12:48:49] <jmcp> which is a major p.i.t.a.
[12:48:50] <jmcp> tuesday
[12:49:09] <jmcp> 11am iirc
[12:49:11] <dlg> hrm, so i have to ask all my questions tomorrow
[12:49:18] <jmcp> sydney->HK, 2 hours, HK->Beijing
[12:49:25] <Tpenta> you'll jst have to put up with putting the sim card into your machine under windows (or splugre $22 in woolies for a usb card reader)
[12:49:33] <jmcp> dlg: I'll be online once I'm in Beijing, just 3 hours delayed
[12:49:38] <jmcp> Tpenta: shuddup!
[12:49:48] <dlg> jmcp: awesome
[12:50:17] <jmcp> dlg: I just won't be able to answer any specific questions which might coincide with the driver I'll be writing
[12:50:22] <Tpenta> I know that I'm thinking about that card reader
[12:50:30] <jmcp> Tpenta: me too
[12:50:36] <jmcp> but .....
[12:51:08] <dlg> jmcp: its ok, i have most of it sorted in my head except the flow of the hba functions
[12:51:18] <jmcp> cool
[12:51:19] <dlg> actual hardware interaction isnt a problem
[12:51:20] <Doc> jmcp: what camera?
[12:51:49] <Doc> and wtf are you doing in beijing?
[12:52:20] <Tpenta> meeting his new boss
[12:52:48] <Doc> you got a new job?
[12:53:04] <Tpenta> point him at your blog james ;)
[12:53:18] <jmcp> Doc: http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog
[12:53:22] <jmcp> Doc: you're outta date :)
[12:53:27] <jmcp> Doc: eos 400d
[12:53:48] <Doc> cool.. they look fairly nice
[12:54:37] <jmcp> I had to put up with the silver body though - Canon fucked up with the quantity of black bodies that they've manufactured so it didn't arrive in time
[12:55:00] <Doc> they do that deliberately i'm sure
[12:55:01] <Tpenta> damn
[12:55:02] <Tpenta> o well
[12:55:07] <jmcp> yeah
[12:55:10] <jmcp> pisses me off though
[12:55:24] <Doc> you dont deserve black is it's got 3 numbers in it anyway
[12:55:36] <Doc> only 1 or 2 number cameras should be available in black
[12:55:43] <jmcp> Doc: you camera snob!
[12:56:19] <jmcp> Doc: I'm working my way up to that level anyway
[12:56:20] <Doc> did you see my latest effort? http://www.docbert.org/MP/
[12:57:06] <boyd> Hey, all
[12:57:13] <Tpenta> hi boyd
[12:57:17] <jmcp> Doc: loooooking
[12:57:19] <boyd> How's the weather jmcp ?
[12:57:25] <jmcp> crappy-ish up here
[12:57:32] <boyd> jmcp: See if you can see Wally in there
[12:57:35] <Tpenta> warm and muggy on the coast
[12:58:07] <boyd> jmcp: Oh you're not in beijing yet...
[12:58:11] <boyd> Muggy here too
[12:58:24] <jmcp> boyd: yeah, tuesday. I get in around 23:00 localtime
[12:58:47] <boyd> jmcp: Enjoy the First class that no doubt Sun are providing :)
[12:58:50] <jmcp> Doc: so when I rotate or drag ... not much happens
[12:58:54] <jmcp> boyd: in my dreams I will
[12:59:00] <boyd> jmcp: :)
[12:59:13] <jmcp> Doc: don't worry, I just figured it out
[12:59:16] <jmcp> Doc: nice work
[12:59:29] <jmcp> boyd: at least I'm getting a driver to pick me up from the airport
[12:59:44] <boyd> jmcp: You want that in beijing
[12:59:48] <jmcp> yup
[13:00:23] <boyd> Ok, well.. I'm gonna try to get to bed at a reasonable time for a change... chat tomorrow, all
[13:00:23] <jmcp> crap. compiling libgphoto2, I get to this point: "library.c", line 2506: cannot use an address to initialize a field of a packed struct (#pragma pack)
[13:00:26] <jmcp> boyd: gnite
[13:01:17] <Doc> jmcp: heh.. the photo you submitted to the canon comp has an exposure time of "1/0 sec"
[13:01:36] * boyd : kill -ALRM $$ | at 06:00
[13:01:40] <jmcp> Doc: that'll be the joys of edited photos and not-quite-properly transferred exif data
[13:02:21] * boyd should have out an echo in that command :)
[13:02:24] <jmcp> Doc: what did you think of the photo, anyway?
[13:02:34] <Doc> jmcp: not my style
[13:02:43] <jmcp> fair enough
[13:02:46] <Doc> i submitted a (slightly more processed) version of http://www.flickr.com/photos/docbert/272563811/ a few hours ago
[13:03:01] <trygvis> g4lt-mordant: ipf is not running in the zone, only in the global zone. is that still an issue?
[13:03:32] <g4lt-mordant> yes, because ipf cannot use a zone interface as a target
[13:04:03] <Doc> unfortunately they have a 10 meg file size limit, so my 13.5Gb machu picchu is out of the question :)
[13:04:08] <trygvis> crap. how would a situation like this be solved then?
[13:04:16] <jmcp> Doc: awwww
[13:04:20] <jmcp> the flickr one is nice
[13:04:32] <g4lt-mordant> trygvis, if I had answers, I'd have hogwash-in-a-zone laredy
[13:04:48] <trygvis> meaning?
[13:05:05] <twincest> trygvis: you need to do NAT on a different router
[13:05:32] <Doc> jmcp: what len(es) did you get?
[13:05:34] <trygvis> is that the only solution? I have another machine, but it's sort of annoying having to use another machine
[13:05:47] <twincest> yes, the global zone cannot do routing for others
[13:05:58] <twincest> (i think something is being worked on for this though)
[13:06:08] <twincest> it's annoying for me too because my global zone is the fallback ipv6 router :(
[13:06:23] <trygvis> it really should be fixed, this is really uncool :(
[13:06:26] <jmcp> Doc: efs 17-85mm IS USM
[13:06:33] <Doc> ohh.. and you should have walked out the door of harveys and gone to teds
[13:06:47] <jmcp> Doc: and since they gave me the kit I wound up with the 18-55mm as well
[13:06:50] <Doc> i generally dislike teds, but the one at chatswood absolutely rocks, and their prices are generally the best you'll find
[13:06:53] <jmcp> Doc: dirtcheapcameras.com.au
[13:07:08] <Doc> you know who they are, dont you?
[13:07:18] <jmcp> enlighten me
[13:07:23] <Doc> the shop down next to franklins in westfield
[13:07:40] <Doc> although they will deny it if you ask :)
[13:07:43] <jmcp> which westfield?
[13:07:46] <Doc> chatswood
[13:07:54] <jmcp> oh
[13:08:03] <jmcp> I didn't realise there was a franklins there
[13:08:42] <Doc> you know where the pet shop it?
[13:08:43] <jmcp> heh ... finally somebody bit at my comments re Kanye West at the U2 concert on friday
[13:08:45] <Doc> s/it/is/
[13:08:50] <jmcp> Doc: oh, right
[13:08:53] <jmcp> near the carpark walkway
[13:09:09] <Doc> directly below the pet shop is a camera shop..  Camera House i think
[13:09:29] <Doc> and you'll find the 85mm far too short before too long
[13:09:30] <jmcp> ah
[13:09:35] <jmcp> Doc: yeah
[13:09:46] <jmcp> I had to start with something in the budget
[13:10:15] <jmcp> and I'm planning to get something >100mm either duty free this coming week, or when we go to NY for Christmas (bhphotovideo .....)
[13:10:38] <Doc> yah.. i went to B&H a week or two ago... nice shop
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[13:11:03] <Doc> just keep in mind that you'll need to pay sales tax, so add 7% to the prices on their website
[13:11:17] <Doc> umm.. you realise you can get the GST back on the camera, no?
[13:11:34] <jmcp> Doc: I didn't come down in the last shower
[13:11:35] <jmcp> sheeeesh
[13:11:55] <jmcp> Doc: and I've already sent off the Canon cashback/rebate application too - $300 for the lens
[13:12:23] <Doc> ok, but then your budget comments dont make sense... but ok :)
[13:12:38] <jmcp> Doc: you have different constraints to me, and yes, they do make sense
[13:13:35] <Doc> i've got a crappy tokina 35-300 you can buy if you want
[13:14:11] <jmcp> Doc: thanks but no thanks.... I recall hearing syndrome71's moanings about how the tokina he bought was The Worst Lens Ever(tm)
[13:14:12] <jmcp> :)
[13:14:31] <Doc> this is OK, but that's about it
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[13:34:55] <nettie> Hi guys, anyone using Solaris 10 with an Intel 5100 chipset please?
[13:35:16] <dlg> you're trying to run solaris on a recent dell?
[13:37:03] <nettie> I would love to, maybe on a Woodcrest supermicro..
[13:38:25] <dlg> the dells arent fun without a perc
[13:38:35] * jmcp sleeps
[13:40:39] <nettie> I see
[13:41:52] <nettie> well .. the idea is to run it on this hardware. http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBP-i.cfm
[13:41:58] <nettie> well could be an option as well
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[13:52:20] <rpaulo> hi
[13:52:35] <rpaulo> has anyone tried booting belenix on parallels for mac?
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[14:28:25] <PosixC> regarding tftp/rarp/boot  solaris installation: should I create a server by setup_install_server or setup_install_server -b ?
[14:28:34] <PosixC> I am bewildered on this point
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[14:39:25] <lloy0076> I've just recompiled my subversion *again* - and if I do: "svn" as my normal user, I get: a relocation error from the ld.so.1 linker HOWEVER if I use the root user (by using su -), svn works flawlessly.
[14:40:25] <PerterB> PosixC: without the -b
[14:40:38] <PosixC> PerterB, thnks
[14:43:21] <PerterB> lloy0076: maybe compare the output of 'ldd /path/to/svn' as root and normal user for hints
[14:45:21] <lloy0076> *hmmm*
[14:45:24] <lloy0076> They're different.
[14:45:26] * lloy0076 flop
[14:46:17] * lloy0076 wonders why that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set...
[14:48:29] <lloy0076> ...
[14:49:04] <lloy0076> As a user, I seem to get: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/sam/lib:/usr/lib/dc:/usr/lib/breg:/usr/sfw/lib: ... but as root LD_LIBRARY_PATH gets unset.
[14:49:19] <lloy0076> I can't find where the LD_LIBARY_PATH is being set though.
[14:51:16] <Saltsa> is it possible to run opensolaris with xen?
[14:51:31] <Saltsa> or in xen
[14:52:44] <PosixC> I am still bewildered with tftp/rarp/boot  solaris installation:
[14:52:56] <PosixC> I want to add a client
[14:53:07] <PosixC> I tried : ./add_install_client -s serverName:/installPath SUNW.Sun-Fire-T200 sun4v
[14:53:10] <PosixC> and also
[14:53:15] <PosixC> ./add_install_client -s serverName:/installPath sun4v SUNW.Sun-Fire-T200
[14:53:24] <PosixC> and got error in both cases
[14:53:46] <PosixC> first : Error: unknown client "SUNW.Sun-Fire-T200"
[14:53:49] <PosixC> and then:
[14:53:55] <PosixC> ERROR: Either client name or client platform group is not specified
[14:55:48] <PerterB> "./add_install_client -s serverName:/installPath hostname-of-your-T2000 sun4v" ... it'll need to be in /etc/hosts first and /etc/ethers unless you also supply a -e
[14:56:08] <lloy0076> Saltsa: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/
[14:56:51] <PosixC> PerterB, I see
[14:56:56] <PosixC> PerterB, thnks
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[16:00:28] <trygvis> is there a way to see if an interface has a physical link?
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[16:05:15] <PerterB> "dladm show-link"
[16:05:48] <trygvis> on solaris 9 :)
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[16:07:31] <PerterB> kstat or ndd then :)
[16:08:38] <Fish> good bye
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[16:11:15] <PerterB> trygvis: http://www.razorsedge.org/~mike/software/linkck/linkck looks like a handy script to interpret the ndd results for various common interfaces (wasn't the one I was looking for, so untested :)
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[16:16:28] <trygvis> which flag in kstat am I looking for? duplex perhaps?
[16:17:15] <PerterB> link_speed and link_status usually but it varies (have a look at that script for details)
[16:18:52] <trygvis> crap, seems like I forgot to connect the cable
[16:18:59] <trygvis> and we've lost the key to the room
[16:19:05] <PerterB> doh
[16:19:29] <trygvis> yeah ..
[16:19:42] <PerterB> serious lights-out management :)
[16:20:50] <trygvis> hehe
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[16:24:59] <lloy0076> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set in /usr/dt/config/Xsession.d/1099.br and is carried through to all terminal sessions in my Gnome session. Commenting it out totally causes X to fail to load, however leaving it in causes my custom built SVN (from source) to fail because "/usr/sfw/lib" gets placed in the library path.
[16:25:08] <lloy0076> I'm not sure if that's a bug or not.
[16:25:34] <lloy0076> <- hopes he is making some sort of sense
[16:27:15] <Auralis> the bug is how you linked your software
[16:30:06] <lloy0076> It most likely is something like that...however I don't recall giving any of the "configure" scripts anything particularly odd or abnormal.
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[16:42:11] <dclarke> good morning
[16:42:50] <luxh> moin
[16:43:07] <dclarke> I have a toughie problem this mornign
[16:43:26] <dclarke> I can not .. for the life of me .. figure out how to lay down a UFS filesystem onto a USB Key
[16:43:33] <dclarke> cfgadm shows the key
[16:43:48] <dclarke> and if I start volume services ( vold ) it automounts
[16:43:53] <dclarke> but its not UFS at all
[16:44:00] <dclarke> more like .. FAT or something like it
[16:44:07] <dclarke> FAT32 I guess
[16:48:36] <edp> yeah, normally they come with fat32 on tthem
[16:49:26] <dclarke> I am looking to put UFS there instead
[16:49:39] <dclarke> something with ACL's and attributes and long filenames
[16:50:03] <edp> does it show up with 'format' so you can partition it?
[16:50:36] <dclarke> 3. c6t0d0 <drive type unknown>
[16:50:36] <dclarke>           /pci@0,0/pci8086,7112@7,2/storage@1/disk@0,0
[16:50:45] <dclarke> I think that's it
[16:51:04] <dclarke> hmmm .. I wonder what parted would say
[16:52:36] <dclarke> see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/USB_Key
[16:53:56] <edp> i like the two "DEFAULT" options
[16:54:03] <edp> what about format without the -e?
[16:54:22] <dclarke> yeah .. the double DEFAULT impresses me too :-\
[16:54:37] <dclarke> well .. there is no sense really as the device path seems to not exist
[16:54:59] <dclarke> this /pci@0,0/pci8086,7112@7,2/storage@1/   is not under /devices
[16:55:38] <dclarke> sorry .. yes it is
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[16:56:15] <dclarke> hit reload on http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/USB_Key
[16:57:24] <dclarke> okay .. I managed to get to the major,minor number nodes
[16:58:34] <dclarke> I wonder what fstyp will say
[16:59:51] <edp> i wonder if it would let you put zfs on a usb key
[16:59:58] <lasseoe> it will
[17:00:07] <dclarke> dunno if I want that
[17:00:10] <edp> not that i really have a use for it
[17:00:17] <dclarke> I want a key that Solaris 8 will mount
[17:00:34] <edp> does solaris still panic if it can't access a vdev in zfs?
[17:00:53] <dclarke> I never knew that it did that
[17:01:02] <dclarke> I don't suppose thats still a problem
[17:01:09] <edp> i've never seen it but have seen people mentioning that
[17:01:18] <dclarke> ah .. one of those
[17:01:31] <dclarke> "rumours" I think they are called
[17:01:41] <twincest> i've seen panic stacks from when it happened
[17:01:42] <dclarke> I'm trying to work with a real device here
[17:01:47] <twincest> (no idea if it still happens though)
[17:02:14] <edp> so how do you get solaris to recognize the usb key?  i can't seem to get one to show up for me
[17:02:47] <edp> nm.. i think vmware is the problem
[17:03:02] <dclarke> vmware .. yeah .. that would be a prob
[17:03:12] <dclarke> in vmware just get the host OS to share it
[17:03:35] <edp> it normally works but solaris complains about interrupts and then says "this usb uhci host controller is unusable"
[17:03:36] <dclarke> okay .. check this out
[17:03:41] <dclarke> bash-3.1# fstyp /devices/pci@0,0/pci9004,7881@12/sd@0,0:a,raw
[17:03:42] <dclarke> ufs
[17:03:48] <dclarke> thats a real harddisk there
[17:03:58] <edp> i wanted to create a zfs pool on it and then pull it out to see how the system reacts
[17:04:16] <dclarke> based on my experience .. the system will be bored
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[17:06:35] <edp> is fstyp not working with the usb key?
[17:07:38] <dclarke> reload that page link above
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[17:10:55] <edp> what if you do 'fstyp /dev/dsk/c6t0d0p1'
[17:11:32] <dclarke> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root          59 Nov  9 13:52 /dev/dsk/c6t0d0p1 -> ../../devices/pci@0,0/pci8086,7112@7,2/storage@1/disk@0,0:r
[17:11:33] <dclarke> that ?
[17:11:56] <dclarke> oooh ...
[17:12:03] <dclarke> you're my hero dude
[17:12:08] <dclarke> bash-3.1# fstyp /dev/dsk/c6t0d0p1
[17:12:09] <dclarke> pcfs
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[17:12:22] <elektronkind> peecee fs
[17:12:45] <dclarke> yeah .. I want that .. gone
[17:12:59] <dclarke> this is where I need fmthard and fdisk
[17:14:12] <dclarke> bash-3.1# fdisk /dev/dsk/c6t0d0p1
[17:14:12] <dclarke> fdisk: /dev/dsk/c6t0d0p1 must be a raw device.
[17:14:43] <dclarke> okay .. hrmmm
[17:15:04] <edp> do fdisk on /dev/dsk/c6t0d0
[17:15:11] <dclarke> yeah .. just did
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[17:15:14] <dclarke> duh ..
[17:15:22] <dclarke> need coffee here this morning :-)
[17:15:37] <dclarke> bash-3.1# fdisk /dev/rdsk/c6t0d0p1
[17:15:37] <dclarke> WARNING: Device /dev/rdsk/c6t0d0p1:
[17:15:37] <dclarke> The device does not appear to include absolute
[17:15:37] <dclarke> sector 0 of the PHYSICAL disk (the normal location for an fdisk table).
[17:15:37] <dclarke> Fdisk is normally used with the device that represents the entire fixed disk.
[17:15:37] <dclarke> (For example, /dev/rdsk/c0d0p0 on x86 or /dev/rdsk/c0t5d0s2 on sparc).
[17:15:39] <dclarke> Are you sure you want to continue? (y/n)
[17:15:43] <dclarke> thats not pretty
[17:16:00] <edp> try /dev/rdsk/... instead
[17:16:16] <dclarke> I wonder what prtvtoc says
[17:16:34] <dclarke> bash-3.1# prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c6t0d0p1
[17:16:34] <dclarke> prtvtoc: /dev/rdsk/c6t0d0p1: Unable to read Disk geometry errno = 0x5
[17:16:40] <dclarke> okay .. thats expected
[17:17:34] <dclarke> I wonder how the linux world deals with this ?
[17:17:40] <dclarke> I think that parted may help
[17:17:44] <edp> in linux it's quite easy
[17:17:53] <dclarke> that figures
[17:18:00] <edp> it'd show up as /dev/sda or something.. then just fdisk /dev/sda
[17:18:17] <edp> then do mke2fs or whatever for your fs
[17:18:17] <dclarke> and create an ext3fs or some such
[17:18:24] <dclarke> yep
[17:18:31] <edp> it's a tradeoff.. some things are a lot easier in solaris
[17:18:32] <dclarke> I think I'll go get the source for parted
[17:18:47] <dclarke> I want to see what parted says about this device
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[18:14:16] <Alex29> # hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[18:14:17] <Alex29> remote: abort: repository hg/onnv/onnv-gate not found!
[18:14:19] <Alex29> abort: no response from remote hg!
[18:17:13] <Alex29> Hmm, I've had no luck finding the current on-src on the http server or contacting the Mercurial server... I was considering attempting a binary install instead, but I keep reading "we recommend that you do not use BFU.. "
[18:20:07] <twincest> the Hg server is down at the moment
[18:20:14] <twincest> and if you install from source, you're still using BFU
[18:20:28] <twincest> building the source gives you bfu archives
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[18:21:35] <Alex29> Ahh
[18:22:08] <twincest> there's an svn mirror of somewhat-up-to-date source on genunix.org
[18:22:13] <twincest> hopefully hg will return soon :(
[18:22:59] <jnjb> hello
[18:23:24] <Alex29> Well, if it's the same risk, I can also just skip ahead to "Upgrading to the Latest ON Bits" and continue on; Thank you.
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[18:23:44] <twincest> are you sure you need to use the absolute latest bits?
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[18:24:35] <jnjb> i would try opensolaris on a laptop
[18:25:45] <Alex29> No, I'm a hobbiest trying this for my first time; I merely assumed it would be best to use the most current build.
[18:26:32] <twincest> well, it's the only way, but there are some drawbacks.. make sure you read the developer's reference carefully beforehand
[18:26:56] <lasseoe> Alex29: just get the latest SXCR, that'll do you just fine
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[18:58:12] <icon> afternoon guys
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[19:09:49] <reflect> btw, I'm looking for people that find going through logs boring - and who'd be intereted in testing out my little script for filtering log messages..
[19:10:09] * astinus wonders if this is the third or fourth time reflect has asked.
[19:10:31] <astinus> reflect:  Its called Splunk.
[19:12:17] <reflect> right.
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[19:16:16] <astinus> reflect:  Somewhere I know has 177 hosts deployed, a combination of Solaris, Linux and BSD .. All the daemons are logging, there's security logs, the routers log, hell even the switches log .. its over 100m entries per week - if your script will handle all that simply, sign me up, otherwise just deploy Splunk *snicker*
[19:17:10] <reflect> I'm not doing this for the enterprise
[19:17:33] <reflect> I'm doing this for the lazy ones like me, with or without a syslog server
[19:17:39] <astinus> *shrug* I use Splunk for 3-4 box setups, it takes <5 minutes to deploy.
[19:17:56] <myrkraverk> hmm, do X apps work in an lx zone?
[19:18:48] <jamesd> myrkraverk, you can probaly do remote X or  ssh -X with brandz though i haven't tested.
[19:19:59] <myrkraverk> jamesd: hmm, k - it's just that since I don't have a NIC driver, I'm a bit unsure how networking to the zone will be :/
[19:20:30] <elektronkind> I'll be at supercomputin 06 in tampa this week. Sun is supposed to have some HCP-related hardware announcement there.
[19:20:43] <elektronkind> er Supercomputing '06
[19:21:12] <jamesd> nice...
[19:21:17] <myrkraverk> jamesd: do you think I can use lo0 or create some more loopback or fake interfaces to address that?
[19:21:29] <jamesd> hmm what can do surpass the x4600...
[19:21:41] <jamesd> myrkraverk, sounds likely.
[19:21:52] <myrkraverk> hmm, doh - I need to go study some now :/
[19:21:56] <myrkraverk> laters ppl
[19:21:57] <elektronkind> I imagine it'll be something along the lines of a smaller X8000 chassis
[19:21:58] <Auralis>  quad core 32 socket x4800? :)
[19:22:35] <elektronkind> there's been a rumor about a smaller x8000 variant floating around
[19:22:43] <jamesd> amd isn't ready to ship quad core is it?
[19:22:52] <elektronkind> not that I'm aware of
[19:23:07] <elektronkind> the design is taped out, but I haven't seen any final product ship date
[19:23:08] <Auralis> nope, taped out quad core opteron AFAIK
[19:23:39] <edp> i think it's release is early 2007
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[20:00:04] <Triskelios> um, if I have a packaged studio 11, do I need to replace it with the tarball for ON?
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[20:21:18] <sickness> evening all
[20:22:11] <jbk> afternoon
[20:35:14] <icon> are there any plans to make SUNWbdb non sun-private?
[20:35:37] <kleppari> non private?
[20:35:39] <kleppari> what do you mean?
[20:35:52] <icon> SUNWbdb i marked as sun-private at the moment
[20:36:11] <icon> inow: use at your own risk
[20:36:12] <kleppari> http://www.oracle.com/database/berkeley-db/index.html ?
[20:36:17] <icon> yes
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[20:36:35] <icon> more like integrate at your own risk ;)
[20:38:48] <trygvis> hmm .. with the openldap package from csw, am I supposed to import the svc manifest myself?
[20:42:08] <edp> it's very likely.. a lot of packages make you do that
[20:43:10] <trygvis> k
[20:43:27] <icon> interesting question... would you guys prefer to see that a manifest be imported automatically after a pkg-get install?
[20:43:57] <trygvis> yes, but disabled
[20:44:04] * icon makes a note
[20:44:13] <edp> it's easy to import it, but it would make it much easier for beginners
[20:44:25] <icon> sure
[20:44:26] <trygvis> I just see why you would not import it
[20:44:34] <trygvis> s,just,dont',
[20:44:39] <edp> postgresql which ships with sxcr doesn't even have the manifest loaded
[20:45:08] <delewis> edp: worse, PostgreSQL shipped with Solaris 10 6/06
[20:46:08] <edp> for me it's somewhat confusing at first when you do 'svcs -a | grep postgres' and see nothing there but all of the software is installed
[20:46:23] <edp> it does force you to learn a bit about how the smf stuff works though
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[20:48:05] <Sugarat> can someone please advise on how to edit a file once booted into safe mode
[20:48:14] <sickness> yeah a lot of things still come without manifest, that's a bit of a putdown :/
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[20:49:10] <delewis> well, when you start-up PostgreSQL, anyway, you have to run Postmaster for each database instance and give it the appropriate local to desposit logs
[20:49:11] <Sugarat> anyone?
[20:49:19] <delewis> so, it's probably better than you write your own manifest, anyway
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[20:51:42] <jamesd> you can get sample manifests and links to useful info at  blastwave.org/smf
[20:51:58] <edp> is a template for the posptgres manifest instsalled anywhere or do you have to copy and paste from sun's website?
[20:52:26] <jamesd> edp you can get sample manifests and links to useful info at  blastwave.org/smf
[20:53:20] <edp> sorry.. nice compilation on that page
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[20:55:12] <edp> for some of the manifests, wouldn't it be benefitial to split them into multiple manifests if the start/stop script starts multiple daemons? (e.g. samba)
[20:56:20] <edp> samba starts smbd, nmbd, and possibly winbindd, but if you were to kill nmbd or winbindd, smf never restarts it
[20:57:11] <jamesd> edp, that is why you use dependencies...  you link them togher... and possibly have one that controlls all 3.
[20:57:45] <edp> i realize that, but wouldn't it make sense for it to ship setup like that?
[20:58:10] <jamesd> i don't think solaris ships with samba  but i could be wrong..
[20:58:20] <edp> i've been using sxcr and it comes with it
[20:58:28] <twincest> it does, but i didn't thought it used an init script
[20:58:32] <twincest> maybe they fixed that in nevada
[20:58:41] <edp> it's still like that in build 51
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[21:03:55] <rodrickbrown> jamesd, it does
[21:04:28] <rodrickbrown> part of SFW
[21:04:59] <Sugarat> does anybody know how to get the promise IDE controller working in Solaris 10?
[21:05:16] <rodrickbrown> is it supported?
[21:05:23] <rodrickbrown> ie. on the hcl
[21:05:27] <Sugarat> I have no idea
[21:05:38] <Sugarat> I couldn't see any mention of it
[21:05:55] <Sugarat> but I do believe it is possible
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[21:15:22] <Tpenta> Wow, Doc is featured on Dvorak Uncencorsed
[21:17:05] <Tpenta> well, his photo is
[21:18:46] <myrkraverk> who is Doc and what is Dvorac Unsensored?
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[21:20:34] <Tpenta> Doc is Scott Howard who lives in here sometimes. The website is John C Dvorak's "sites of interest" type site
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[21:22:34] <myrkraverk> btw, does anyone here know of a precompiled TeXlive for sol x86?
[21:22:53] <rodrickbrown> try sunfreeware
[21:23:28] <myrkraverk> k
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[21:26:28] <sil3nt|warri0r> how much space a full v10 install will eat, ihave 10gb
[21:26:33] <sil3nt|warri0r> 512mb ram
[21:27:55] <Stric> less than 10.. maybe 4 or so
[21:28:13] <rodrickbrown> full install is about 6.4gb
[21:28:23] <Stric> close enough :P
[21:29:01] <quasi> 6.4? that's not what u3-beta said
[21:29:10] <sil3nt|warri0r> hehe
[21:29:16] <sil3nt|warri0r> thx
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[21:30:37] <sil3nt|warri0r> right now i have fedora5, so it will be a dualboot
[21:31:02] <sil3nt|warri0r> if i install solaris, will it erase the MBR
[21:31:05] <sil3nt|warri0r> ??
[21:31:28] <Error_404> no, it writes to the local partition
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[21:43:06] <myrkraverk> hmm, can zfs help with saving space when having more than one lx zone?
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[21:53:18] <jamesd> myrkraverk, yes...
[21:53:38] <jamesd> myrkraverk, you can use a clone then a compressed  sparse zone is about  25MB or so.
[21:55:03] <quasi> a sparse zone with inherited /opt doesn't take much space, but agreed that as a clone it will take no space at all
[21:55:10] <quasi> practically
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[22:05:35] <Gman> morning all
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[22:06:26] <kimc> good morning
[22:07:05] <kimc> how are things ?
[22:11:17] <rodrickbrown> not bad
[22:11:28] <kimc> heh.. very good
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[22:20:28] <alanc> icon: SUNWbdb is marked Sun private for licensing reasons - if you want to build your own software using it, you need to either grab the open source release or license your own copy from Oracle
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[22:50:23] <onlineba1on> would it matter if i used solaris express or solaris express community edition to build opensolaris on?
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[22:51:06] <boyd> I don't think so, as long as it's a recent enough build
[22:51:22] <onlineba1on> cool, because I have both dvds but they werent labelled
[22:51:26] <Error_404> if there's no flag days between SX and the current build, it should work no problems
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[22:51:46] <boyd> Error_404: good point
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[22:52:04] <onlinebacon> so if I install it, then patch it up then it should be ok?
[22:52:16] <boyd> No patches are available for either SX
[22:52:21] <jmcp> !seen Gman
[22:52:23] <Drone> Gman is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sun 12 Nov 2006 21:07 GMT, saying 'morning all'.
[22:52:28] <onlinebacon> oh ok
[22:52:29] <jmcp> Gman: gday!
[22:52:42] <elektronkind> hey jmcp :)
[22:52:49] <elektronkind> you start a new job yet?
[22:52:49] <jmcp> hi elektronkind, one-n-all
[22:52:54] <jmcp> tomorrow
[22:53:01] <jmcp> have to do the gardening today .....
[22:53:03] <jmcp> :)
[22:53:04] <elektronkind> fantastic
[22:53:24] <Gman> hi jmcp
[22:53:27] <jmcp> does anybody know how I unmount and eject removable media with hal? (snv_51)
[22:53:39] <Gman> you need a later version of jds
[22:53:47] <Gman> install the newest vermillion packages
[22:53:50] <Gman> or wait until snv53
[22:53:56] <jmcp> urk
[22:54:06] <boyd> jmcp: eject should still work I thought
[22:54:07] <jmcp> so manual umount and cfgadm -c disconnect ?
[22:54:12] <jmcp> boyd: nope :(
[22:54:21] <boyd> Hmm... flag day notice said it should
[22:54:32] <boyd> Just use a paperclip
[22:54:39] <twincest> er, you need JDS for eject to work?  i hope that's a bug :)
[22:54:42] <Gman> jmcp, artem posted a workaround the other day
[22:54:44] <Gman> let me try and find it
[22:54:47] <jmcp> Gman: ta
[22:54:55] <boyd> twincest: indeed a bug
[22:54:56] <jmcp> I've got      /media/EOS_DIGITAL on /dev/dsk/c2t0d1p0:1 read/write/nosetuid/nodevices/noexec/hidden/nofoldcase/clamptime/dev=d81090 on Mon Nov 13 08:49:42 2006
[22:54:59] <boyd> I'd have thought
[22:55:01] <jmcp> $ eject EOS_DIGITAL
[22:55:02] <jmcp> unmount of EOS_DIGITAL /dev/dsk/c2t0d1p0:1 failed: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Unmount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")
[22:55:20] <boyd> jmcp: Ah, so it's the camera.... don't use a paperclip
[22:55:25] <jmcp> boyd: :)
[22:55:38] <onlinebacon> ooh is that an EOS camera?
[22:55:48] <jmcp> onlinebacon: yeah, 400D
[22:55:51] <jmcp> silver body though :(
[22:55:56] <onlinebacon> nice, i have a 20D
[22:56:04] <jmcp> Canon in their wisdom decided that most of the 400D shouldn't be black
[22:56:13] <jmcp> black ones are rare as hens' teeth
[22:56:22] <onlinebacon> quality is good though :)
[22:56:26] <boyd> jmcp: Don't wory about the silver... think of it as like the MacBook Pro of the camera world :)
[22:56:27] <onlinebacon> as with all EOS's
[22:56:33] <onlinebacon> :p
[22:56:38] <jmcp> boyd: I know it's just the skin, but .....
[22:56:43] <onlinebacon> paint it
[22:56:52] <jmcp> onlinebacon: I've thought about it
[22:56:58] <boyd> Don't do it!!!!
[22:56:59] <onlinebacon> take it apart first though
[22:57:04] <onlinebacon> why boyd ?
[22:57:06] <boyd> (unless it's gonna be red :) )
[22:57:16] <jmcp> boyd: a Brendang Ferrari it ain't
[22:57:21] <boyd> hehe
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[22:57:59] <onlinebacon> I'm on openbsd right now, but just backing up some stuff, then in a minute I will install solaris express then opensolaris on top :)
[22:58:09] <onlinebacon> openbsd keeps segfaulting :(
[22:58:15] <onlinebacon> even though I am using openbsd packages
[22:58:21] <onlinebacon> so solaris it is :)
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[23:04:53] <Error_404> sometimes i wonder why opensolaris seems to attract openbsd types more than anyone else
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[23:05:47] <delewis> Error_404: OpenBSD and Solaris share similar modus operandi
[23:06:00] <delewis> binary packages, binary upgrades, etc.
[23:06:03] <jmcp> Error_404: I put it down to committment to Doing Things The Right Way (tm)
[23:06:10] <Gman> jmcp, can't seem to find the mail, but i seem to recall you being able to umount the actual raw device or something
[23:06:19] <Error_404> makes sense
[23:06:35] <onlinebacon> Error_404: I just like solaris because it has so many features, so much to learn, and better job prospects than openbsd
[23:06:36] <boyd> I think that GPL zealotry may have something to do with it
[23:06:53] <jmcp> Gman: thanks, that's what I was thinking of too
[23:07:19] <Error_404> this place just seems to be full of three types of people for the most part... old solaris types, openbsd types, and the "linux is teh ruulz0rz" trolls
[23:07:19] <onlinebacon> I think good software is better than free software
[23:07:24] <delewis> OpenBSD also shares a lot of userland tools with Solaris
[23:07:28] <delewis> it had ptools *way* before Solaris
[23:07:38] <delewis> and the SVR4 user/group administration utils were there, as well.
[23:07:45] <onlinebacon> Error_404: Why does there have to be types?
[23:07:47] <delewis> er s/Solaris/Linux/
[23:07:52] <onlinebacon> why not just users?
[23:07:53] <delewis> wow, that was slip-up. :_0
[23:08:02] <jmcp> onlinebacon: because we're all typecast
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[23:08:13] <onlinebacon> hmph
[23:08:55] <edp> one of solaris's great features is that not only does it have awesome features, most of them work together very nicely
[23:09:06] <onlinebacon> yeah
[23:09:11] <onlinebacon> its an OS not just a lot of features
[23:09:39] <boyd> delewis: I'm not sure you should be typing s/Solaris/Linux/ around here :)
[23:09:52] <delewis> boyd: :-)
[23:10:25] * boyd goes off to teach solaris
[23:13:26] <rodrickbrown> my new job is going to be more Linux than Solaris :(
[23:13:39] <onlinebacon> :(
[23:13:58] <onlinebacon> linux is getting more and more attacked in servers now
[23:14:29] <rodrickbrown> Solaris x86 is making in roads again thanks to Sun's new hw offering and commited support this time
[23:15:49] <onlinebacon> can you install solaris core from 1 cd?
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[23:16:42] <delewis> onlinebacon: yes, but there's no practicality in that.
[23:16:47] <onlinebacon> why?
[23:17:03] <delewis> onlinebacon: you'll find yourself searching and installing package after package if you do a core install.
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[23:17:09] <delewis> it's best to do a full+oem install
[23:17:22] <delewis> which requires anywhere from 4-6GB of disk space, depending on the Solaris release.
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[23:17:46] <onlinebacon> but that would be less secure than core, i wanted core so I could secure the base and use safer apps
[23:17:51] <delewis> onlinebacon: no
[23:17:55] <delewis> dump that philosophy
[23:17:56] <delewis> it is wrong
[23:18:14] <delewis> security has little to do with what applications you have *installed* on your system (note installed, not "running")
[23:18:29] <onlinebacon> yeah you're right there
[23:19:04] <onlinebacon> but I spend most of my time on the CLI anyways, so I wouldn't need the whole 6gb of the JDS and stuff
[23:19:13] <delewis> onlinebacon: no, that is wrong
[23:19:18] <delewis> if you ever wish to install something that has a graphical installer
[23:19:27] <delewis> you'll need X11 libraries, possibly GTK libraries, etc.
[23:19:41] <delewis> just because you're installing JDS, etc. doesn't mean you actually have to use it graphically.
[23:19:46] <Gman> anyone been noticing weirdo bookmarking bugs with firefox 2.0?
[23:19:47] <lasseoe> but it's unlikely the installer with require staroffice :)
[23:19:54] <onlinebacon> :)
[23:20:01] <lasseoe> with=will
[23:20:02] <delewis> regardless, StarOffice is there if you ever need it :-)
[23:20:19] <onlinebacon> hehe, iirc Staroffice is like 500mb right?
[23:20:22] <delewis> you'll find that Solaris is both secure and usable if you choose to do a full+oem install.
[23:20:31] <nachox> if a tool has a graphical installer and no cli alternative then it's probably a gui based application and he said he didnt use one :P
[23:20:38] <onlinebacon> :)
[23:20:39] <delewis> not secured by obscurity and useless
[23:20:42] <lasseoe> I deselect staroffice and install the rest
[23:20:52] <jmcp> onlinebacon: about 350Mb if openoffice is any guide
[23:20:57] <delewis> like some (despot) Linux/free BSD variant administrators would have you believe is beneficial.
[23:21:04] <lasseoe> staroffice is about 500mb, yes
[23:21:17] <delewis> nachox: no
[23:21:18] <delewis> you are wrong
[23:21:21] <onlinebacon> thats one bigass piece of software
[23:21:24] <delewis> Oracle has a graphical installer
[23:21:28] <delewis> DB2 has a graphical installer
[23:21:35] <delewis> why? because they assume your system is useful
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[23:21:40] <delewis> not secured to the point of uselessness.
[23:21:44] <nachox> hehe
[23:22:04] <jmcp> delewis: yeah, one installs applications first, *then* locks down the system
[23:22:07] <onlinebacon> oh dw, im not a system administrator, I just use my comp to code, listen to music, play a few games, surf the web, and learn about security
[23:22:09] <jmcp> at least, that's how I'd do it
[23:22:48] <delewis> onlinebacon: then learn that minimal amounts of installed software does not equal security
[23:22:59] <delewis> it's about what services you are running and what primitives your OS provides.
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[23:23:07] <delewis> Solaris excels at both of these
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[23:27:45] <onlinebacon> and its already 10:30, gotta go sort some stuff out before bet
[23:27:45] <onlinebacon> bed*
[23:27:45] <kleppari> who mentioned something about a poor network stuff?
[23:27:45] <onlinebacon> symnatec
[23:27:46] <onlinebacon> symantec*
[23:27:46] <kleppari> onlinebacon, you won't become a real geek until you stop sleeping :P
[23:27:46] <kleppari> s/stuff/stack/
[23:27:46] <onlinebacon> :P
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[23:27:54] <kleppari> onlinebacon, have you used vista?
[23:27:54] <onlinebacon> i dont have to sleep, i have to get some school stuff together and do some IT homework
[23:28:02] <onlinebacon> yeah, unfortunately
[23:28:04] <Error_404> poor network stack in solaris? wtf, who said that?
[23:28:11] <onlinebacon> Error_404: In vista
[23:28:31] <kleppari> the XP stack sucked when I used it in ~2002..
[23:28:34] <kleppari> haven't they fixed it?
[23:28:37] <nachox> they only said ms replaced a mature, well tested and extensively debugged networking stack with a new one and that because of that new bugs would arise
[23:28:41] * onlinebacon shrugs
[23:28:57] <delewis> kleppari: Windows XP/2000 used a BSD-based networking stack -- it should not have been too bad.
[23:29:03] <delewis> with Vista, Microsoft completely replaced it
[23:29:06] <delewis> with one they wrote themselves.
[23:29:07] <onlinebacon> anyways i really have to go, bbl
[23:29:09] <jamesd> the only windows version i ever saw with decent network performance was  2k3 datacenter edition  the rest is complete crap.
[23:29:09] <kleppari> delewis, the Windows 2000 stack was fine
[23:29:17] <kleppari> not the Windows XP one..
[23:29:29] <kleppari> it was prone to..  coming to a grinding halt
[23:29:34] <Error_404> plus ca change, plus ca meme chose i suppose
[23:30:20] <jamesd> xp on my  opteron box gets an incredible  12.5MB/s over a gigabit link to a blade 1500, with  dual ultra wide scsi controller installed.
[23:30:42] <kleppari> ?
[23:30:52] <sahafeez> 12.5MB/s is 100mbit
[23:30:57] <Auralis> i get that much over a 100mbit from a x1 with nfs
[23:30:58] <jamesd> it should get 10times that much..
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[23:31:11] <g4lt-mordant> of course all a network stack is is reliable timing so you can parse a packet and get to the next packet in time
[23:31:20] <sahafeez> jamesd, is that nfs or?
[23:31:44] <jamesd> sahafeez, i have tried  nfs,  ftp and even samba the same poor result or worse.
[23:32:03] <delewis> jamesd: are you certain it is being Gb-negotiated?
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[23:32:13] <jamesd> delewis, yeap.
[23:32:14] <sahafeez> 2 things. have your testing the raw thruput with pref or whatever that is called.
[23:32:29] <nachox> netcat? :) are you sure the card was really working in 1gb mode and not falling back to 100?
[23:32:33] <sahafeez> the second is did you tweek the tcpip setting in the windows registery
[23:33:01] <jamesd> sahafeez, i tried with and without tuning... with tuning it got a bit better but not much.
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[23:34:00] <onlinebacon> bleh i won't bother with the homework
[23:34:01] <sahafeez> i could get about 50-60MB/s between my XP box and my OpenBSD box. never more then that.
[23:34:08] <onlinebacon> i dont even have exel
[23:34:49] <jamesd> sahafeez, i have no idea how..  this box should match that its a  large config  u20...
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[23:35:19] <Error_404> onlinebacon, had you installed staroffice, you could use that
[23:35:22] <Error_404> heh
[23:35:25] <kleppari> hahah
[23:35:26] <onlinebacon> im on openbsd atm
[23:35:28] <onlinebacon> :)
[23:35:37] <sahafeez> well the BSD box is an AMDXP 2200+ and the XP box is an AMD64 3000. the cards are intel server cards
[23:35:44] <Error_404> what about goo-cel or whatever
[23:35:45] <onlinebacon> and i cant really be bothered to do it anyways
[23:35:49] <Error_404> google's spreadsheet app
[23:35:58] <onlinebacon> google has everything
[23:36:02] <nachox> jamesd: and did you try solaris in that box? what was the transfer speed with it?
[23:36:11] <onlinebacon> soon they will have a country and call it gooland or something
[23:36:26] <sahafeez> now the nfs performace just sucks but that is because nfs on openbsd sucks and nfs on windows sucks more.
[23:36:39] <onlinebacon> and change the flags theme every time there is a special fday or event
[23:36:45] <onlinebacon> day*
[23:36:58] <Auralis> they should buy siberia, solves their cooling problems as well :)
[23:37:27] <jamesd> nachox, 30-40MB/s   but that was before i upgraded to the dual scsi controller on the blade1500.
[23:37:32] <delewis> sahafeez: what NFS implementation are you using on Windows? SFU?
[23:37:35] <onlinebacon> :)
[23:37:51] <dlg> i thought the blade 1500 had fc
[23:37:55] <sahafeez> delewis, yes that and i tried cygwin also
[23:37:55] <delewis> dlg: no
[23:38:00] <delewis> that is the SB1000/SB2000
[23:38:01] <nachox> Auralis: i bet a few intel based datacenters would solve that ;)
[23:38:07] <delewis> Sun regressed with the SB1500/2500
[23:38:12] <delewis> by about 4 years
[23:38:14] <sahafeez> i just said fuck it and pkg_add samba on the openbsd box.
[23:38:17] <dlg> heh
[23:38:22] <jamesd> dlg, nope. the blade 1500 is ide out of the box, but i added a dual  ultra wide scsi controller..
[23:38:30] <delewis> jamesd: IDE!?
[23:38:33] <delewis> ugh.
[23:38:35] <delewis> silly Sun.
[23:38:36] <dlg> sun picks really bad ide controllers
[23:38:41] <jamesd> one  1ghz or 1.5ghz usparcIIIi cpu
[23:38:44] <delewis> SB1000/SB2000 were solid systems
[23:38:52] <delewis> and Sun had to produce garbage like the SB1500 or SB2500
[23:38:57] <gisburn> onlinebacon: yeah, and GooMil (Google Millitary), GooBoat (submarine forces), GooStrike (strike forces), GooSpeznaz (Google Special Forces), GooNuke (Google-branded russian nukes), GooNav (Google Navy), GooAir (Google AirForce), GooMecha (Google Mechanised Infantra) and GooTerr (Google Terrorists)
[23:39:05] <Auralis> yeah, sun has a real talent for using the most crap ide controlers
[23:39:08] <onlinebacon> lmfao
[23:39:10] <dlg> delewis: whats the pci like in those?
[23:39:13] <jamesd> the  blade 1500 has a decent  ide controller.. it does  30MB/s to a 80Gb ide drive.
[23:39:36] <nachox> 30mb is near the theoretical limit iirc
[23:39:37] <onlinebacon> gisburn: Really though, google is scary now, I mean, they have so much power, they own so much, and they index so many pages
[23:39:40] <delewis> dlg: decent -- 33MHz and 66MHz PCI slots
[23:39:42] <Error_404> i'm gonna join the GooMarines, then loose women will be attracted to me
[23:39:46] <dlg> jamesd: i mean theyre more quirky than most others
[23:39:53] <onlinebacon> Error_404: haha
[23:39:54] <gisburn> jamesd: lemme guess... at 100% CPU usage, right ? DMA would be nice.
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[23:40:01] <Error_404> or the GooVy, and then loose men will be attracted to me
[23:40:01] <delewis> and the SB1000/SB2000 have UPA slots, as well.
[23:40:06] <onlinebacon> eww
[23:40:15] <delewis> so you get FC, UPA, SCSI, and PCI
[23:40:18] <dlg> gisburn: probably. you can also only have one command on the bus at the time
[23:40:19] <nachox> gisburn: you fogot GooIA, the inteligence agency
[23:40:20] <delewis> it doesn't get much better than that.
[23:40:22] <onlinebacon> or the Gooverment and your secretaries would be
[23:40:24] <jamesd> gisburn, no the cpu wasn't maxed even though it was running  zfs as well..
[23:40:27] <delewis> along with firewire and lots of USB ports
[23:40:28] <Error_404> nachox, we don't talk about that
[23:40:40] <gisburn> nachox: wrong. That's simply called GoogleNews
[23:40:46] <nachox> hehe
[23:41:09] <gisburn> groupies can be found and subscribed at GoogleGroups
[23:41:17] <onlinebacon> wow, there is a 3 year old version of konquerer in openbsd ports
[23:41:18] <onlinebacon> lmao
[23:41:41] <delewis> onlinebacon: I bet it is "secure", though
[23:41:42] <delewis> :-)
[23:41:49] <sahafeez> that is why openbsd is my firewall / fireserver and not my desktop
[23:41:56] * dlg sigh
[23:42:43] <gisburn> IMO the authors of http://www.bfi.org/images/content/spaceship/earthnight3.png should be immediaely killed.
[23:42:54] <onlinebacon> Konquerer embedded 20030705
[23:42:54] <gisburn> Noone is allowed to publish such... beatifull things... :-)
[23:43:10] <sahafeez> why
[23:43:11] <nachox> onlinebacon: and what is wrong with that? i mean, solaris 10 still ships a gnome 2.6 based desktop and i like it, i appreciate the stability
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[23:43:47] <gisburn> nachox: well, that one can't handle most newer webapps (like gmail etc.)
[23:43:48] <onlinebacon> nachox: It looks terrible, it renders pages badly, and it depends on so many K libs :(
[23:44:03] <dlg> onlinebacon: you could not use it then
[23:44:07] <onlinebacon> I dont
[23:44:09] <onlinebacon> anymore :)
[23:44:12] <dlg> so whats the problem?
[23:44:13] <nachox> dont use it :)
[23:44:24] <jamesd> device       r/s    w/s   kr/s   kw/s wait actv  svc_t  %w  %b
[23:44:25] <jamesd> dad1       296.0    0.0 37823.5    0.0 29.9  2.0  107.8  98 100
[23:44:26] * sahafeez does not use KDE as it has become Window like
[23:44:27] <onlinebacon> I was just saying its strange to have such an old app when there are neew ones
[23:44:33] * onlinebacon doesnt either
[23:44:51] <dlg> i think there's more itnerest in getting minimo working better now
[23:45:02] * sahafeez is installing Gworkspace and GNUStep as we speak because NeXT got it all right
[23:45:10] <delewis> I tend not to be tied to any particular desktop environment. I'm using JDS now because it is there by default.
[23:45:21] <onlinebacon> I use evilwm
[23:45:22] <delewis> sahafeez: GNUstep and especially GWorkspace are broken POS
[23:45:26] <delewis> they contain Linuxisms
[23:45:33] <delewis> and are practically worthless
[23:45:42] <nachox> kde looks ugly compared to the new gnomes, but i am eager to see what happens when kde4 is released
[23:45:43] <onlinebacon> fluxbox is worthless
[23:45:44] <sahafeez> hey, if it looks like next and works like next desktop i will be happy.
[23:45:51] <jamesd> load averages:  0.34,  0.46,  0.26                                     16:42:05
[23:45:52] <jamesd> 70 processes:  68 sleeping, 1 running, 1 on cpu
[23:45:52] <jamesd> CPU states: 80.8% idle,  0.8% user, 18.5% kernel,  0.0% iowait,  0.0% swap
[23:45:52] <jamesd> Memory: 512M real, 22M free, 135M swap in use, 901M swap free
[23:45:52] <gisburn> sahafeez: Gnome now forces you to use Win32 shortcuts instead of emacs
[23:45:52] <delewis> even GNUstep developers will go on in great length about how much GWorkspace sucks
[23:45:57] <delewis> sahafeez: it does not
[23:45:58] <delewis> it segfaults
[23:46:18] <sahafeez> delewis on what platform
[23:46:26] <delewis> sahafeez: Solaris/SPARC
[23:46:44] <delewis> if it segfaults on a particular platform, that should tell you something about the overall code quality.
[23:46:51] <sahafeez> ah, well my U80 is up on ebay...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280048218530&rd=1&rd=1
[23:46:53] <delewis> and getting it to even resemble NeXTSTEP is a PITA.
[23:47:00] <sahafeez> someone but it
[23:47:00] <nettie> Hi guys, I'm risking to became redundant but I wasnt able to gether thos information yet :( Anyone know if the latest Intest 5100 chipset is fully supported please? In terms of SATA controller, nics and usb hub? thanx in advance.
[23:47:01] <dlg> delewis: so true
[23:47:06] <delewis> I spent countless hours getting passed the brokenness
[23:47:17] <delewis> do not say I didn't warn you
[23:47:28] <sahafeez> i just want OpenSTEP w/the lighthouse design apps back
[23:47:35] <onlinebacon> if you want something that looks likes that use windowmaker
[23:47:41] <delewis> sahafeez: install OpenSTEP for Solaris/SPARC :-)
[23:47:44] <dlg> nettie: cant you install and see?
[23:47:56] <delewis> someone has created a script to install OpenSTEP on Solaris 10
[23:48:09] <sahafeez> really?
[23:48:22] <delewis> http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/59472/64019/
[23:48:24] <sahafeez> i did not think it would run on a ultrasparc box
[23:48:36] <delewis> of course it does
[23:48:39] <delewis> why wouldn't it?
[23:48:58] <delewis> http://alge.anart.no/projects/openmagic/
[23:48:59] <sahafeez> well i need a copy of it now which is hard as hell to find
[23:49:01] <onlinebacon> why not use windowmaker sahafeez ?
[23:49:10] <delewis> WindowMaker != OpenSTEP
[23:49:10] <sahafeez> windowmaker is a bad copy
[23:49:15] <delewis> WindowMaker is just what it is
[23:49:17] <delewis> a window manager
[23:49:20] <delewis> nothing more nothing else
[23:49:23] * nachox doesnt like windows maker
[23:49:26] <delewis> sahafeez: they provide the bins
[23:49:30] <delewis> just download and install
[23:49:34] <sahafeez> really. cool.
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[23:50:04] <gisburn> http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Refiling_to_fix_headline_off_sted_o_11122006.html
[23:50:10] <kleppari> I like window maker
[23:50:15] <kleppari> it does just what I want..
[23:50:16] * delewis gets back to J2EE docs
[23:50:17] <kleppari> doesn't get in my way
[23:50:20] <gisburn> it's interesting now the story is reported in different newspapers
[23:50:27] <gisburn> s/now/how
[23:50:58] <nettie> dlg unfortunately not, I'm planing to buy a woodcrest server.. of course only if it's solaris comaptible
[23:51:31] <dlg> nettie: to be honest there chips arent that different from previous intel chipsets
[23:51:38] <nettie> dlg would be pretty sad buying it and end up with a 2003 server paperweight :(
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[23:51:44] <dlg> most of the work for supporting them is adding the pci ids to the appropriate drivers
[23:52:01] <dlg> nettie: why do you want an intel box?
[23:53:01] <dlg> did you read a review somewhere saying they were the fastest chips around?
[23:53:49] <nettie> dlg well, Woodcrest price/performances in pretty intruging, that a part, I need 4x750GB sata drives for this project and I must do my best to keep costs as low as possible. So a supermicro woodcrest box with redundant ps and 4* hotswap sataII trays would be perfect for this.
[23:54:15] <sahafeez> delewis - i hate you - now i have to unpack the u80 and try this
[23:54:22] <delewis> :-)
[23:54:24] <gisburn> heh
[23:54:33] <kleppari> heh heh
[23:54:34] <gisburn> delewis: how many CPUs does the U80 have ?
[23:54:38] <sahafeez> 4
[23:54:42] <onlinebacon> does anyone here use netbsd's pkgsrc on their solaris box?
[23:54:43] <gisburn> oh
[23:54:56] <kleppari> onlinebacon, tried it two or three years ago..
[23:54:56] <dlg> nettie: you should really try to get hardware to test with
[23:55:01] <nettie> dlg performances isnt a big issue, most of my concernes goes to the 4*sata array
[23:55:10] <onlinebacon> whats it like kleppari ?
[23:55:10] <gisburn> sahafeez: can-i-get-an-account-please-please-please-please-please-please-please-please-please-please-please-please
[23:55:11] <sahafeez> i wonder if this will run the lighthouse design apps
[23:55:22] <kleppari> onlinebacon, was broken back then.. :P
[23:55:25] <sahafeez> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=018&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=280048218530&rd=1&rd=1 gisburn you can get the box it is for sale
[23:55:26] <onlinebacon> lol
[23:55:33] <delewis> sahafeez: I would imagine so if Lighthouse provided SPARC bins
[23:55:42] <gisburn> sahafeez: (assuming B51 is installed)
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[23:55:49] <sahafeez> they are fat bins.
[23:55:50] <onlinebacon> ah well, I will just use pkg_get then :)
[23:55:57] <nettie> dlg, yeah.. unfortunately the vendor isnt solaris friendly so.. I was begging here and see if someone experienced some issues
[23:55:58] <onlinebacon> or compile from source
[23:56:08] <delewis> gisburn: if you want an account on my E4500 when it arrives tomorrow you are welcome to it
[23:56:22] <gisburn> delewis: I need >= B51
[23:56:25] * gisburn ducks
[23:56:28] <delewis> gisburn: you should have that
[23:56:39] <gisburn> delewis: ?!
[23:56:42] <delewis> but like I said, it won't be until tomorrow
[23:56:47] <delewis> + install time
[23:56:52] <nettie> dlg are you running solaris on 100% sun hw?
[23:57:01] <dlg> nettie: no
[23:57:17] <dlg> i do think its easier though
[23:57:23] <nettie> yeah..
[23:57:29] <nettie> I like to go supported
[23:57:34] <nettie> when I can..
[23:57:44] <nettie> moslty using dell+centos
[23:57:58] <onlinebacon> okey doke, i gotta go to bed, ttyl all
[23:58:04] <dlg> nettie: try google for solaris, dell, and 2950
[23:58:29] <dlg> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=109908
[23:58:32] <nettie> I remebr I read had some issues
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[23:58:50] <nettie> will check anyway
[23:58:54] <dlg> the sas 5/i can take sata2 disks
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[23:59:02] <dlg> the perc5 is unsupported
[23:59:11] <nettie> yeah the nic?
[23:59:22] <nettie> I remember I read somethign the nic was not supported
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[23:59:54] <dlg> id be surprised if you cant get drivers





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