[00:00:04] <gisburn> maybe a missing pci mapping
[00:00:13] <myrkraverk> how do I make one?
[00:00:20] <gisburn> myrkraverk: please email opensolaris-discuss at opensolaris dot org with that line.
[00:00:39] <myrkraverk> gisburn: I have http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=71586&#71586 this thread going
[00:00:53] <gisburn> myrkraverk: it's beyond my knowledge but that line may give some insight what may be going wrong...
[00:00:58] <gisburn> ewwwww
[00:00:59] <gisburn> jive
[00:01:03] <gisburn> hirrible
[00:01:06] <myrkraverk> gisburn: haha ;)
[00:01:53] <gisburn> uhm
[00:02:10] 
[00:02:13] <myrkraverk> gisburn: no magic to "just use the scsa2usb driver on this device, damn you" ?
[00:02:29] <myrkraverk> gisburn: then it looks like I'm lost ;/
[00:02:29] <gisburn> *shrug*
[00:03:09] <gisburn> I suggtest to spam opensolaris-discuss@
[00:03:26] <gisburn> or look at news:comp.unix.solaris
[00:03:36] <gisburn> and try to find the engineers who work on USB
[00:04:31] <myrkraverk> ok - I'll keep that in mind - I'm going to sleep now ;)
[00:05:36] <gisburn> http://www.wiedenroth-karikatur.de/detail/1163092397_view.html
[00:12:18] * OnkelSchorsch doesn't get it
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[00:14:58] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: the "lame duck" has to swallow some frogs (in this case the republican president now has to deal with a democratic parliament and senate)
[00:15:32] <OnkelSchorsch> thanks :)
[00:15:59] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: the british press is more direct, one newspager had the title "RETIRE NOW, Mr. Bush"
[00:16:08] <gisburn> s/newspager/newspaper/
[00:16:17] <Error_404> considering a good chunk of the people voting to invade iraq were democrats, i don't think that a democratic senate/congress will change a thing
[00:17:04] <gisburn> Error_404: no, but they have to deal with the problem with getting out of that mess without burning some fingers, soldiers and the whole irak.
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[00:18:54] <Error_404> well, it's a little late for that, they've already killed a few thousad americans and significantly more iraqis...nothing the US could do there will save it from civil war...
[00:19:37] <gisburn> Error_404: well, they could throw some nukes... =:-)
[00:19:38] <Error_404> may as well just pull out
[00:20:03] <Error_404> nuking the place would be a crime against humanity
[00:20:45] <gisburn> the whole story is already a crime against humanity.
[00:20:49] <gisburn> no status change.
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[00:21:37] <gisburn> A pity that the history repeats itself over and over again. Almost every "liberation war" turns into an "internal conflict" afterwards.
[00:21:50] <gisburn> see yougouslavia(sp ?)
[00:22:07] <Gman> that was a terrible attempt ;)
[00:22:15] <Error_404> yugoslavia
[00:22:20] <Gman> and you're not even american!
[00:22:21] * Gman runs
[00:22:38] <sommerfeld> counterinsurgencies take 10-15 years of determined effort to win; the us public gets tired of wars lasting more than about 3 years.
[00:23:41] * gisburn smacks sommerfeld for using words ("counterinsurgencie" ?!) not listed in http://dict.leo.org
[00:24:21] <Gman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterinsurgency
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[00:25:33] <sommerfeld> failure to depluralize correctly.  plural of words ending in -cy is often -cies
[00:29:19] <dwc-> 15:22 <@sommerfeld> counterinsurgencies take 10-15 years of determined effort to win;
[00:29:23] <dwc-> and even longer
[00:29:38] * dwc- gestures at other insurgent operations around the world, still running
[00:30:54] <sahafeez> Gman, so drag and drop fixed?
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[00:31:52] <alanc> where's rolands komodo dragon pit?   I'll drag him there if you want to drop him in?
[00:32:21] <sahafeez> the democrats will fuck it up just like the republicans.
[00:32:23] <Gman> sahafeez, no
[00:32:38] <sahafeez> Gman, is there an open bug for it now?
[00:32:49] <Gman> the nautilus drag and drop? afaik
[00:33:05] <sahafeez> k. last ones got closed so.
[00:33:27] <Gman> hrm, i thought i reopened it
[00:33:28] <Gman> i can check
[00:33:43] <sahafeez> i have not looked in a while if you opened it then it is.
[00:34:22] <dwc-> 15:32 < sahafeez> the democrats will fuck it up just like the republicans.
[00:34:28] <dwc-> no... they'll likely fuck it up in new and exciting ways ;)
[00:34:31] <sahafeez> i am jaded.
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[00:34:48] <dclarke> hello
[00:35:15] <dclarke> anyone know what time it is in California ? Do they have seasonally adjusted time ?
[00:35:30] <dclarke> I mean .. is it 15:35 or 14:35 or what ?
[00:35:35] <dwc-> Thu Nov  9 15:35:34 PST 2006
[00:35:35] <sahafeez> 1535
[00:35:46] <dclarke> so Menlo Park ?
[00:35:49] <dwc-> yes
[00:35:51] <alanc> yes
[00:35:53] <dclarke> its 3:35 PM ?
[00:35:56] <dclarke> lovely ..
[00:36:10] <alanc> that's what it says on my GNOME panel sitting here in Menlo Park right now
[00:36:15] <dclarke> I have a con call scheduled with an exec level guy and I thought I had lost time
[00:36:25] <dclarke> nope .. he's late
[00:36:26] <Error_404> *yawn* morning all
[00:36:31] <dclarke> I'll ring him
[00:36:48] <alanc> aren't execs always late?
[00:37:11] <dclarke> oh to heck with it .. I'll call up Scott McNealy .. I hear he has some pull around there :-)
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[00:46:48] <Gman> "I've noticed that the sfw consolidation is not available via src.os.o.
[00:46:49] <Gman> What's up with that?"
[00:47:16] <Gman> damn, he's not around to reply 'they suck'
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[00:56:35] <richlowe> Gman: it used to be available, now it isn't.  I assume when it was pointed at the SCMs it vanished.
[00:57:20] <Gman> nod
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[01:03:43] <gisburn> acor internet hiccup
[01:03:44] <gisburn> fun... ;-(
[01:05:06] <Tpent1> !seen benr
[01:05:07] <Drone> benr (benr!n=benr at c-24-6-104-212 dot hsd1.ca.comcast.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Mon 06 Nov 2006 18:12 GMT, saying 'hey sickness'.
[01:05:16] <gisburn> !seen Tpent1
[01:05:18] <Drone> Tpent1 is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Fri 10 Nov 2006 00:07 GMT, saying '!seen benr'.
[01:05:33] <gisburn> !seen kupfer
[01:05:35] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!i=kupfer@nat/sun/x-4f49b394ec6833e8) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 08 Nov 2006 23:13 GMT, saying 'hi Rich.  thanks for forwarding me the tools list.'.
[01:05:40] <gisburn> crap
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[01:06:06] <Tpenta> oops, left myself connected at home
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[01:06:33] <Tpenta> and home rejoins :)
[01:07:08] <Tpenta> !seen stevel
[01:07:09] <Drone> stevel is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Wed 08 Nov 2006 08:32 GMT, saying 'richlowe: hehe'.
[01:07:20] <Tpenta> oi steve, 52?
[01:09:14] <icon> evening guys
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[01:13:52] <Gman> Tpenta, don't think he's been around for a while
[01:13:56] * Gman been looking for him too
[01:14:25] <Tpenta> he *is* in korea, maybe he is just not around yet
[01:14:28] <axisys> any 3510 expert here?
[01:14:32] <axisys> can u add logical drives to the secondary channel?
[01:14:37] <axisys> on a 3510
[01:15:16] <axisys> for me it says no logical host drive found.. i have 12
[01:15:26] <axisys> on primary chnl no problem to create luns
[01:15:41] <axisys> it finds all the logical drives to pick from
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[01:46:21] <dclarke> hello all
[01:46:41] * dclarke prepares for a non-debug build of snv_20061106
[01:47:04] <Error_404> hey dclarke
[01:47:13] <dclarke> hey man ..
[01:47:23] <Error_404> how's it going?
[01:47:26] <dclarke> you want an EFIKA unit ?
[01:47:36] <dclarke> hows it going ?  tough
[01:47:41] <dclarke> a little rough today
[01:48:27] <Error_404> an efika? sure
[01:48:31] <Error_404> why rough?
[01:48:44] <dclarke> its a long story .. not worth tellin
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[01:49:07] <Error_404> err, okay
[01:49:08] <dclarke> the usual .. we all heard it before and I'm not going to drag it out here again ..
[01:50:43] <dclarke> I gotta move a few things around here
[01:50:50] <dclarke> my site has to go down ..
[01:50:53] <dclarke> for a bit
[01:51:03] <dclarke> another damn APC UPS died
[01:51:12] <jafari> good evening all, i configured nat/ipfilter on solaris 10 and it seem like its not allowing itself to resole hostnames. How can i fix this problem? i was using pkg-get with no issues now it doesnt work.
[01:51:36] <dclarke> jafari : the issue is name resilution eh ?
[01:51:52] <Error_404> dclarke: and a dead UPS neccesitates bringing down all of blastwave?
[01:51:55] <dclarke> jafari : the issue is name resolution eh ?
[01:52:07] <dclarke> Error_404:  the web site
[01:52:14] <dclarke> Error_404:  the web site will drop
[01:52:26] <dclarke> Error_404: either controlled or via implosion ..
[01:52:28] <jafari> dclarke what you mean
[01:52:55] <dclarke> jafari:  name resolution : can you nslookup www.blastwave.org ??
[01:53:30] <jafari> Resolving ibiblio.org... failed: node name or service name not known.
[01:53:57] <jafari> yea nslookup works fine
[01:54:06] <jafari> so why not pkg-get or ping
[01:54:07] <Error_404> oh, the "site" as in "the building the server lives in"
[01:54:18] <dclarke> well pkg-get will use wget
[01:54:21] <dclarke> do you have wget ?
[01:54:32] <jafari> ing www.blastwave.org
[01:54:32] <jafari> ping: unknown host www.blastwave.org
[01:54:39] <dclarke> Error_404:  no .. just that server plus a few others
[01:54:46] <boyd>  jafari nsswitch.conf
[01:54:54] <jafari> yea i have wget?
[01:55:07] <dclarke> jafari:  good Lord man .. can you  nslookup www.blastwave.org
[01:55:15] <dclarke> jafari:  no you can not ping it !
[01:55:21] <jafari> hi boyd what do i need to do in nsswitch.conf?
[01:55:24] <dclarke> jafari:  ICMP will be rejected
[01:55:31] <boyd> jafari: hosts: files dns
[01:55:32] <jafari> dclarke i told you yes
[01:55:37] <jafari> nslookup works fine
[01:55:40] <jafari> scroll up
[01:55:47] <boyd> dclarke: He got "unkown host" it never sent a packet
[01:55:54] <boyd> s/k/kn
[01:55:59] <dclarke> jafari:  okay .. then why does it say   "unknown host" ??
[01:56:08] <jafari> dont know
[01:56:13] <dclarke> jafari:  clearly
[01:56:22] <boyd> Aaargg it's nsswitch.conf !!!!!
[01:56:23] <dclarke> jafari:  just type    nslookup www.blastwave.org
[01:56:30] <dclarke> jafari:  show me the results
[01:56:46] <dclarke> jafari: then we will get nsswitch.conf fixed and resolv.conf etc etc
[01:57:12] <jafari> (rpage@lexus)-(06:43 PM Thu Nov 09)-(~)
[01:57:13] <jafari> $ nslookup www.blastwave.org
[01:57:13] <jafari> Server: 24.29.103.10
[01:57:13] <jafari> Address: 24.29.103.10#53
[01:57:13] <jafari> Non-authoritative answer:
[01:57:15] <jafari> Name: www.blastwave.org
[01:57:18] <jafari> Address: 66.225.151.251
[01:57:24] <dclarke> perfect
[01:57:27] <boyd> jafari: Ok, so does getent www.blastwave.org work
[01:57:28] <boyd> ?
[01:57:31] <dclarke> okay .. so DNS is working
[01:57:36] <boyd> oops getent hosts www.blastwave.org
[01:58:05] <dclarke> boyd : I suspected something else is up here .. ya know ?
[01:58:15] <jafari> getent hosts www.blastwave.org
[01:58:15] <jafari> 66.225.151.251 www.blastwave.org
[01:58:25] <dclarke> perfect ..
[01:58:31] <jafari> in nsswitch.conf
[01:58:31] <dclarke> whats your PATH ?
[01:58:40] <boyd> Cool... not name resolution then
[01:58:41] <jafari> i dont see a dns entry for host
[01:58:50] <boyd> but ping should not have given that error
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[01:59:00] <dclarke> boyd : yeah .. I had a gut feeling
[01:59:13] <jafari> dclarke PATH to what ?
[01:59:15] <dclarke> boyd : but what "ping" does he have ?
[01:59:19] <boyd> jafari: You *don't* ?
[01:59:26] <boyd> dclarke: indeed
[01:59:32] <dclarke> jafari:  echo $PATH
[01:59:33] <boyd> hence getent
[01:59:42] <dclarke> boyd : you are a wise man
[01:59:49] <boyd> :)
[02:00:01] <dclarke> boyd : I defer to your greatness .. I have to knock down a server .. can you take over ?
[02:00:04] <jafari> echo $PATH(rpage@lexus)-(06:44 PM Thu Nov 09)-(~)
[02:00:04] <jafari> $ echo $PATH
[02:00:10] * boyd will try
[02:00:13] <boyd> have fun dclarke
[02:00:47] <jafari> do i need to set hosts: files dns
[02:00:52] <jafari> in nsswitch.conf
[02:01:01] <boyd> yes... you don't already?
[02:01:23] <dclarke> boyd : no fun here .. see www.blastwave.org
[02:01:40] <boyd> Hm.... not good
[02:01:53] <boyd> Could this be contributing to jafari's problem?
[02:02:06] <jafari> i said no
[02:02:30] <Error_404> way to break it
[02:02:31] <boyd> jafari: Just thought I'd check since I can't immediately see how the getent worked without it
[02:02:56] * dclarke wonders "how fast will a Solaris server reboot ? "
[02:03:08] <jafari> after i add dns to nsswitch do i need to restart anything
[02:03:14] <boyd> Shouldn't need to
[02:03:19] <jafari> ok
[02:03:26] <Error_404> dclarke: 20 seconds
[02:03:43] <dclarke> I'm at 60 secs and counting
[02:03:44] <boyd> Not it it's an E25k with level 96 POST
[02:03:51] <boyd> s/it/if
[02:03:52] <Error_404> heh, no
[02:03:58] <Error_404> in that case, a week
[02:04:03] <boyd> :)
[02:04:25] <jafari> hey guys
[02:04:28] <jafari> its working now
[02:04:35] <jafari> it was nsswitch.conf
[02:04:36] <boyd> Cool.
[02:04:39] <jafari> thanks :)
[02:04:48] * boyd wonders how getent worked before
[02:04:51] <boyd> never mind
[02:04:54] <jafari> hehe
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[02:05:00] <jafari> another question
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[02:05:04] <dclarke> am I up ?
[02:05:07] <dclarke> nope ...
[02:05:15] <boyd> That's a bit personal dclarke :)
[02:05:20] <jafari> lol
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[02:05:33] <boyd> Hey Tpenta
[02:05:46] <jafari> what type of rules goes in ipf.conf
[02:06:08] <boyd> You mean what is the syntax?
[02:06:16] <jafari> yes
[02:06:25] <jafari> do redirect goes in that file
[02:06:26] <boyd> Try man ipf.conf.
[02:06:41] <jafari> or only ipnat.conf
[02:06:41] * dclarke incants the secret ritual phrase "boot ya miserable bitch!!"
[02:06:42] <boyd> Oh, no I think rdr goes in ipnat.conf
[02:07:08] <boyd> So says the man page, anyway
[02:07:55] <dclarke> back up ..
[02:07:59] <jafari> so what ipf.conf for?
[02:08:04] <dclarke> all that to move a power plug
[02:08:13] <jafari> when i do ipfstat -iohn
[02:08:15] <boyd> jafari: filtering rules
[02:08:38] <jafari> empty list for ipfilter(out)
[02:08:38] <jafari> empty list for ipfilter(in)
[02:08:38] <Error_404> dclarke: what kinna hardware's it running on, anyways?
[02:08:46] <jafari> and i have pass in all
[02:08:51] <jafari> and pass out all
[02:08:52] <dclarke> Error_404:  big iron
[02:08:56] <jafari> shouldnt it show it
[02:09:08] <Error_404> that's very nondescript
[02:09:11] <Error_404> ;)
[02:09:17] <boyd> jafari: If the rule is loaded, yes
[02:09:32] <dclarke> Error_404:  its a old Netra T1 with 1GB RAM and a 440MHz proc
[02:09:35] <jafari> i dont see anything
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[02:09:57] <dclarke> Error_404:  thats the "new" server.  It was a Sun Ultra 1
[02:10:16] <dclarke> Error_404:  and I loved the old Sun Ultra 1 170E boxes
[02:10:19] <boyd> Were the rules there at boot? If not, did you run ipf -Fa -f /etc/ipf/ipf.conf ?
[02:10:26] <jafari> how do you load ipf.conf
[02:10:38] <boyd> jafari: ^^
[02:10:39] <jafari> oh sorry
[02:10:43] <jafari> :)
[02:10:54] <Error_404> oh, not as big as i thought then
[02:11:05] <dclarke> *knock*  *knock*  Excuse me gentlemen but where the heck is the source ?
[02:11:10] <jafari> oh now i see it
[02:11:13] <dclarke> the source to Nevada ?
[02:11:17] <Error_404> wow, those little 1U can really chug along then i s'pose
[02:11:20] <jafari> but doesnt it suppose to set itself at boot?
[02:11:22] <dclarke> Anonymous access has been temporarily disabled.
[02:11:28] <boyd> dclarke: Huh? Oh, yeah that
[02:12:00] <jafari> thanks guys i really appreciate the help
[02:12:01] <dclarke> yeah .. like dude .. let's all be OPEN and at least have the source available .. ya know ?
[02:12:13] <jafari> been working on this all day!!!
[02:12:34] <dclarke> jafari:  next time .. come here first
[02:12:51] <jafari> i can see now you guys are the best
[02:13:03] <boyd> :) thanks
[02:13:10] <dclarke> jafari:  I'm not the best .. just the loudest
[02:13:12] * jafari gives #opensolaris a big group hug
[02:13:25] <boyd> Hehe... no, that's nrubsig
[02:13:25] * dclarke feels all warm inside
[02:13:28] <boyd> :)
[02:13:33] <jafari> hehe
[02:13:41] * boyd lunches
[02:13:48] <dclarke> jafari:  so what does pkg-get -U  say ??
[02:13:51] <boyd> mmmmmm.... cuuuuury
[02:14:04] <dclarke> jafari:  run   /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -U
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[02:14:22] <jafari> i dont think you guys want me to paste all this in the channel
[02:14:25] <jafari> you have a pastebin
[02:14:28] <dclarke> go here http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[02:14:36] <jafari> thanks
[02:14:47] <dclarke> I saw that question coming :-)
[02:15:26] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Rhmm7K58.html
[02:15:28] <jafari> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Rhmm7K58.html
[02:15:31] <jafari> lol
[02:15:37] <jafari> your fast
[02:15:44] <dclarke> and loud
[02:15:52] <jafari> dclarke is the maaaaaaaaaaaaan
[02:15:54] <jafari> lol
[02:15:56] * dclarke points to the note above about being the loudest
[02:16:31] <icon> evening dennis
[02:16:34] <dclarke> okay .. you are using sudo so the gpg key may not be picked up correctly
[02:16:45] * dclarke waves to icon
[02:16:51] * icon yawns
[02:17:09] <icon> yeesh what a day
[02:17:14] <dclarke> jafari:  can I make a suggestion ?
[02:17:22] <jafari> yes
[02:17:23] * dclarke hands coffee to icon
[02:17:28] <icon> thanks ;)
[02:17:30] <jafari> dont use sudo
[02:17:37] <dclarke> jafari:  there ya go
[02:17:45] <dclarke> jafari: sudo is cool and all .. it is
[02:17:55] <dclarke> jafari: but if you are the admin of th site
[02:18:00] <icon> meh, i have yet to find a good reason to use sudo unless you are giving elevated privileges for just a few things
[02:18:02] <dclarke> jafari: then just  su -
[02:18:08] <icon> dclarke++
[02:18:27] <dclarke> icon : RBAC and BSM provide a great deal of control here
[02:18:31] <jafari> true that makes sense
[02:18:32] <icon> yup
[02:18:35] <jafari> i did it as root
[02:18:40] <jafari> i go tthe same error
[02:18:48] <jafari> i think i have to do it manually
[02:18:51] <icon> sol RBAC is tough to beat
[02:18:58] <dclarke> nope .. let's walk you though this okay ?
[02:19:07] <jafari> np
[02:19:14] <dclarke> jafari:  do a su -
[02:19:24] <jafari> did that
[02:19:47] <dclarke> jafari:  then .. for me .. PATH=/usr/xpg4/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/ccs/bin;export PATH
[02:20:42] <dclarke> jafari:  then use your browser and go to http://www.blastwave.org/mirrors.html
[02:20:43] <jafari> done
[02:20:54] <dclarke> jafari:  scroll to the bottom
[02:21:09] <dclarke> jafari:  see that BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK  ??
[02:21:44] <dclarke> jafari:  use vi and paste that exact text block into a file called pgp.key
[02:21:53] <dclarke> jafari:  save it
[02:22:23] <jafari> where do i put the pgp.key
[02:22:39] <dclarke> its a temporary thing .. drop it in /tmp
[02:22:46] <delewis> http://static.flickr.com/111/293393986_4e465f83c5_o.jpg
[02:22:47] <delewis> :-D
[02:22:52] <delewis> isn't that a beautiful site, guys?
[02:22:56] <dclarke> where is your $HOME for root ?  At /  or at /root or ??
[02:23:03] <icon> man
[02:23:07] <icon> new hardware at blastwave?
[02:23:20] <delewis> my A5200 arrived today
[02:23:24] <dclarke> . thats an A5200
[02:23:30] <dclarke> I LOVE the A5200
[02:23:33] <dclarke> it rocks
[02:23:35] <delewis> dclarke: boy, are they solid.
[02:23:36] <icon> hmm
[02:23:39] <icon> ive never used one
[02:23:40] <delewis> much more solid than the D1000s
[02:23:49] <delewis> icon: http://www.flickr.com/photos/85894987@N00/with/293393986/
[02:24:05] <jafari> $HOME for root is /
[02:24:05] <dclarke> one sec
[02:24:06] <dclarke> brb
[02:24:16] <icon> very nice
[02:24:21] <delewis> yeah :-)
[02:24:34] <icon> actually delewis and dclarke id like to pick your guy's brains for a bit once you finish up helping out jafari
[02:24:36] <Tpenta> this is obviously some obscure usage of teh word "new" of which I have been previously unaware ;)
[02:25:01] <Auralis> new, as in new on location
[02:25:02] <dclarke> Tpenta:  it means "new to me"
[02:25:09] <jafari> ok i saved the file dclarke
[02:25:10] <Tpenta> :)
[02:25:14] <dclarke> and any A5200 is a damn good thing
[02:25:19] <delewis> definitely.
[02:25:26] <dclarke> jafari : /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -i gnupg textutils
[02:25:33] <Tpenta> agreed, but but I had to do the duglas adams paraphrasing
[02:25:34] <delewis> now, if my E4500 would arrive..
[02:25:44] <icon> man... zfs on that. even if it is just a a5200, it would still have major points ;)
[02:25:51] <jbk> heh
[02:25:57] <delewis> icon: A5200s, despite being old, are actually very capable units
[02:25:58] <jbk> just watch out for those alpha particles :)
[02:26:04] <icon> of course
[02:26:07] <delewis> up to 4 GBIC interfaces, and each drive has two paths
[02:26:14] <delewis> so you can do some *massive* IO on them
[02:26:18] <dclarke> I have dual A5200's on dual fibre here
[02:26:21] <delewis> and it's got 22 drives, so that's plenty to play around with
[02:26:22] <jafari> what is that am installing
[02:26:38] * icon kicks his wimpy nas
[02:26:40] <dclarke> jafari:  you are installing the ability to check GPG keys
[02:26:43] <delewis> the touchscreen is pretty cool, too ;-)
[02:26:51] <delewis> icon: I actually got a hell of a deal on it.
[02:26:55] <icon> oh?
[02:27:00] <delewis> I paid ~ $500 (not including shipping)
[02:27:03] <jafari> done
[02:27:04] <icon> ...
[02:27:08] <icon> including the disks?
[02:27:11] <delewis> icon: yep
[02:27:12] <jafari> whats textutils
[02:27:13] <icon> wow
[02:27:15] <delewis> with spuds, too!
[02:27:18] <icon> thats nuts
[02:27:25] <delewis> and it's *clean*
[02:27:28] <icon> ?!
[02:27:33] <delewis> few scratches on the top, but other than that, very new.
[02:27:34] <icon> where did you find it?
[02:27:37] <delewis> eBay
[02:27:40] <icon> wow
[02:27:41] <delewis> Gemini Digital Products
[02:27:59] <icon> i need to pick up a terminal server ... wonder if i can find a decent one there thats not going to be in terrible shape
[02:28:02] <coffman> drive size?
[02:28:09] <delewis> coffman: 18.2GB
[02:28:15] <icon> 18G fibre channel cheetah's
[02:28:22] <delewis> I wanted the 32GB drives, but hey, I can only do so much with a limited budget :-)
[02:28:35] <delewis> 73GB drives would rock, too
[02:28:37] <jafari> thanks for your help dclarke your awesome
[02:28:38] <delewis> 1.5TB
[02:28:40] <delewis> muhahaha.
[02:28:55] <icon> hmm. raidz2?
[02:29:04] <delewis> I'd probably get a second A5200 before I upgrade the drives, though
[02:29:09] <Auralis> 300gigs :) 6.6TB
[02:29:13] <delewis> I'm more interested in drive count than storage capacity
[02:29:28] <icon> delewis: how many disks are you going to use for parity?
[02:29:52] <delewis> icon: no idea, yet. I'm going to toy around with ZFS first and do a variety of configurations before I go with anything
[02:30:17] <icon> delewis: let me know how it goes. thats a killer deal
[02:30:20] <icon> 5U?
[02:30:25] <icon> hard to tell by the pics
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[02:31:52] <delewis> icon: yep
[02:32:20] <icon> very nice
[02:32:23] <delewis> I had a hell of a time getting it out of the box in the garage and into my office
[02:32:28] <icon> i bet
[02:32:37] <delewis> even without the drives removed, it still weights a good portion of my body weight
[02:32:41] <delewis> with drives, it's 150lbs
[02:32:57] <icon> very nice
[02:33:10] <icon> hmm. does it have mounts for a 4 post?
[02:33:17] <icon> or are you going to try and just use a 2 post?
[02:33:52] <delewis> I'm just going to leave it in a deskside configuration
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[02:33:59] <delewis> and when I get the E4500 in, I'll throw it on top
[02:34:04] <delewis> which is actually a supported configuration
[02:34:08] <jafari> have anyone one set up NDS(Novell directory service) with LDAP, where windows workstation can login to a domain using novell client
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[02:34:40] <icon> ahh nice
[02:34:55] <delewis> (you know an E4500 has to be solid, if it you can throw a fully loaded A5200 on the top of it)
[02:35:00] <icon> delewis: are you running dual gig fibre at home then?
[02:35:09] <icon> those are great boxes
[02:35:30] <delewis> icon: will be -- I'm waiting for my fibre switch (Brocade 2800) and SC-SC cables to arrive
[02:35:44] <dwc-> jafari: not since netware 4/5
[02:35:49] <dwc-> some number of years ago
[02:35:58] <icon> delewis: im about to move to gig-E, never really considered fibre
[02:36:00] <jafari> wow, lol
[02:36:04] <icon> probably too expensive
[02:36:08] <icon> i dont move that much around
[02:36:15] <icon> i get by on 100mbps for the most part w/o issue
[02:36:21] <delewis> icon: I'm still running fast ethernet for networking, but I'm using fibre only for storage
[02:36:27] <icon> ahh
[02:36:32] <delewis> I *could* use fibre for network, too, as FC is a decent protocol
[02:36:41] <dwc-> 5 was shiny and new and used tcp/ip instead of ipx
[02:36:42] <delewis> it can encapsulate SCSI, TCP/IP, etc.
[02:36:50] <jafari> guess i shouldnt waste my time trying to config it huh?
[02:37:07] <dwc-> I don't remember it being all that difficult
[02:37:17] <icon> im having a horrid time trying to find a decent mobile 24U rack
[02:37:32] <icon> most places i can find they run over 300$ for a 2 post... highway robbery
[02:37:41] <dwc-> only 24U?
[02:37:53] <delewis> icon: you should be able to do much better than that on eBay
[02:38:08] <delewis> just scrutinize the pics and make you ask questions if there's any doubt
[02:38:23] <coffman> icon: mobile ? u mean like for on-stage stuff?
[02:38:24] <icon> cant say ive ever bought anything that large on ebay
[02:38:33] <icon> coffman: castors
[02:38:36] <gisburn> <sys/vmem.h> is a kernel API, right ?
[02:38:37] <delewis> icon: it's not that bad, provided you're really careful with your sellers.
[02:38:53] <delewis> I generally only buy from people that have decent feedback (and lots of it)
[02:38:56] <icon> coffman: imagine a 2 post rack with extra support at the bottom on wheels
[02:39:32] <icon> delewis: i just signed for a new apartment... i have to redo some drywalling to run power and ethernet up to the loft area, but there is a closet that will accomodate a couple of racks perfectly
[02:39:47] <delewis> hmm, airflow might be a concern in a closet
[02:39:54] <delewis> unless you've got air in there
[02:39:55] <dclarke> jafari:  is that install done ?
[02:40:21] <delewis> I know what it's like to be in an apartment, though
[02:40:25] <icon> delewis: its tough to say.
[02:40:32] <delewis> I used to live on the second floor, and I was always afraid my heavy hardwire would fall through
[02:40:46] <icon> im worried about the same thing, but it would get by in the winter, and the only equipment i have that really outputs heat is this opteron box
[02:40:54] <delewis> I'm in a solid house right now, which sits on a concrete slab, so I can have all the heavy equipment I want. :-)
[02:40:59] <icon> nice :)
[02:41:17] <jafari> dclarke yes
[02:41:21] <jafari> been looking for u
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[02:41:35] <jafari> thanks for your help dclarke your awesome
[02:41:45] <icon> ill be picking up a new macbook pro in the next few weeks so i can get off of this box as a workstation
[02:41:46] <dclarke> jafari:  /opt/csw/bin/gpg --import /tmp/pgp.key
[02:42:07] <icon> get 10u2 back on here finally get some use of this disk array i picked up last year
[02:42:44] <jafari> dclarke done
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[02:42:58] <dclarke> jafari:  /opt/csw/bin/pkg-get -U
[02:43:05] <icon> its just a 5 disk array, ill probably just start with 500G to be cheap
[02:43:51] <jafari> worked perfect now :)
[02:43:56] <noyb> dclarke: any chance of getting a songbird pkg on blastwave?
[02:44:06] <dclarke> noyb:  sure
[02:44:16] <noyb> there's a catch...
[02:44:21] <noyb> right?
[02:44:43] <noyb> I must become the maintainer or something?  :)
[02:44:47] <jafari> dclarke do you host blavewave?
[02:44:48] <dclarke> nope
[02:45:00] <dclarke> jafari:  I'm loosely familiar with it :-)
[02:45:22] <icon> delewis: what do you use for a nfs client on your windows hosts?
[02:45:23] <dclarke> jafari:  I created it .. admin it .. host it .. all that jazz
[02:45:23] <jafari> oh
[02:45:32] <jafari> sweet
[02:45:36] <jafari> i didnt know
[02:45:38] <jafari> :)
[02:45:51] <dclarke> so look dude .. you should be good to go
[02:46:04] <icon> dclarke: my turn? ;)
[02:46:37] * dclarke hands the reins to icon
[02:46:52] <icon> ive been digging around quite a bit on ports for a while now
[02:46:53] <jafari> yea am good for now
[02:46:58] <jafari> thanks for your help
[02:47:01] <delewis> icon: generally, (whenever I do use Windows), I use Services for UNIX
[02:47:05] <noyb> dclarke: so there is a chance.... it's just an incredibly small one?  :)
[02:47:10] <delewis> which provides a free win32 NFS client & server
[02:47:15] <icon> ahh
[02:47:20] <dclarke> noyb:  its a non-zero probability
[02:47:29] * noyb chuckles
[02:47:31] <icon> i have that laying around somewhere, i might give that a shot
[02:47:42] <delewis> icon: it's actually fairly decent
[02:47:53] <delewis> but Microsoft didn't author it, so that explains that.
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[02:47:58] <icon> anyhow, delewis brought up a good point that binary packages are pretty well required for most people
[02:48:01] <icon> delewis: yup :D
[02:48:04] <noyb> shields up!  evasive maneuvers!
[02:48:18] <icon> anyhow, i was going to toss an idea by you to see how you felt about it
[02:48:51] <icon> it would be pretty simple to make the ports system behave as a build system
[02:49:00] <delewis> I did say binary packages are a necessary, but I also think binary packages should only be installed if they're from the vendor, otherwise, you, the user, should build your own software and create the packages, properly.
[02:49:24] <delewis> that's a very cynical system administrator perspective, but hey :-)
[02:49:24] <icon> so that the same recipies used for source builds are used to create a package repository
[02:49:29] * icon shrugs
[02:49:32] <icon> you know how it goes ;)
[02:49:42] <icon> which is pretty much what blastwave does afaik, right?
[02:50:00] <gisburn> noyb: surrender now or get ksh93'schified! Resistance is futile.
[02:50:22] <icon> chsh /bin/tcsh fixes all ;)
[02:50:29] * noyb grins
[02:50:57] <jafari> do anyone know who has the best pocket pc out now
[02:51:26] <noyb> I'm thinking ksh93-ification is better than being IE'd ...
[02:52:13] <noyb> (IE -> Internet Exploder)
[02:52:36] <delewis> noyb: both try to do everything, so I'm not sure
[02:52:39] * delewis ducks
[02:53:30] <icon> delewis: tell me if this syntax gives you hives:
[02:53:48] <icon> pkgget sunw:irc/irssi
[02:54:05] <noyb> I won't mention any names, but one of them actually works...  the other one has the initials of Internet Exploder.   :)
[02:54:06] <icon> quick explanation
[02:54:11] <dwc-> no hives... try again.
[02:54:18] <delewis> icon: I'd prefer sunw://irc/irssi
[02:54:25] <icon> well
[02:54:27] <icon> sunw isnt a host
[02:54:32] <icon> its a repository name
[02:54:40] <icon> irc/irssi behaves as you would expect
[02:54:47] <icon> category/port
[02:54:50] <delewis> hmm
[02:54:59] <delewis> you might try to specifying the repo name as a separate argument
[02:55:00] <icon> now, what ties this together is portadm
[02:55:03] <delewis> and then the package
[02:55:09] <icon> getting to that :)
[02:55:22] <delewis> or something
[02:55:24] <icon> with portadm you could add/remove/manage repositories and other interesting things like certs etc. like pkgadm
[02:55:27] * noyb will be back in few hours...
[02:55:33] <icon> so... it has graceful degredation
[02:55:42] <icon> you could do: pkgget irssi
[02:55:43] <delewis> icon: nice
[02:56:01] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/gaim.png
[02:56:04] <icon> provided that there is no conflicting irssi in another registered repository or category
[02:56:10] <dclarke> or pkg-get -i gaim
[02:56:17] <icon> *but* the fully qualified name would be repository:category/port
[02:56:45] <icon> i wanted to drop the '-' to make it like the other sysv4 user commands
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[02:56:51] <icon> the idea is unification after all :)
[02:57:01] <icon> not only that, i didnt want to stomp on blastwave users
[02:57:05] <dclarke> icon : so just pkgget foo
[02:57:12] <icon> dclarke: yup
[02:57:15] <dclarke> good one
[02:57:21] <dclarke> I'll get that done
[02:57:35] * dclarke reaches for post-it note
[02:57:46] <icon> so...
[02:57:54] * delewis loves users who have their displays plastered with post-its
[02:58:02] <icon> basically ports can serve as a repository for both recipies and binary
[02:58:22] <delewis> I guess they think it protects them of the nasty radiation that their CRTs are producing. :-)
[02:58:33] <delewis> unfortunately, most of their brain cells are already dead, so it won't really matter much.
[02:58:38] <icon> so taking a step further, and this is huge, if dclarke wanted to consider the ports system for builds, the ports system would already have a huge userbase and recipie list
[02:59:33] <dclarke> icon : let me know when you want to start
[02:59:36] <icon> so that way depending on what a user needs, they can use a source build or a binary package instead of having to choose between two different systems
[02:59:48] <dclarke> icon : I'll allocate resources .. set you up and away ya go
[02:59:58] <icon> dclarke: right now im just trying to wrap my head around everything, any help is really appreciated
[03:00:09] <dclarke> helpful .. thats me
[03:00:10] <icon> works been rough so i havent had as much time as i have wished, but im still hacking away ;)
[03:00:26] <dclarke> no problem man ..
[03:00:27] <icon> but it would be very cool to see blastwave all of a sudden become a sun blessed project on opensolaris :D
[03:00:47] <dclarke> the politics of that are scary
[03:00:52] <icon> yeah it is
[03:00:57] <dclarke> internally people have fits
[03:00:59] <icon> the project is on opensol.org now, but not shown
[03:01:06] <dclarke> I was on a con-call with an exec two hours ago
[03:01:11] <dclarke> and we all know the facts
[03:01:12] <icon> repo hosting should be external though
[03:01:13] <icon> oh?
[03:01:44] <dclarke> I can't go into it .. but OpenSolaris will always be about the Solaris OS and some other bits
[03:01:57] <dclarke> the open source world .. in my opinion .. should be external
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[03:02:04] <dclarke> outside of the Sun firewall
[03:02:07] <dclarke> community based
[03:02:11] <icon> yeah
[03:02:31] <icon> i just really want to see something like this happen. it would make solaris explode on the desktop
[03:02:32] <dclarke> you will not go to Blastwave and see a sign up that says " anonymouse access is closed at the moment"
[03:02:37] <dclarke> it won't bloody happen
[03:02:38] <icon> yeah
[03:02:48] <icon> not to mention it would be great for admins too
[03:02:53] <Error_404> anonymouse?
[03:02:57] <icon> hell, look at whats happened to blastwave the last year or so
[03:03:07] <dclarke> Error_404:  its an AA meeting for mice
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[03:03:19] <dclarke> icon : through the roof .. I know
[03:03:24] <icon> its something that people really *need*
[03:03:31] <dclarke> icon : over 7 million downloads this year
[03:03:43] <icon> including mine :D
[03:03:58] <dclarke> icon : from only four mirror sites and we have 39 of them
[03:04:03] <icon> wow
[03:04:23] <icon> dclarke: what are you guys using for a build system now?
[03:04:26] <dclarke> yeah .. the growth curve is currently at 45 degrees month to month
[03:04:33] <dclarke> the GAR system
[03:04:38] <icon> GAR?
[03:04:43] <dclarke> see this : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/GNOME/Screenshot_08.png
[03:04:53] <dclarke> that is the new GNOME 2.16.1
[03:05:01] <dclarke> its all being built in an automated fashion
[03:05:12] <dclarke> we will have turnkey builds of the whole bloody stack in time
[03:05:13] <icon> very nice
[03:05:39] <dclarke> see http://svn.blastwave.org/wiki/GettingStarted
[03:05:52] <dclarke> in order to comply with FSF lawyers .. I built the SVN site
[03:05:58] <icon> ahh gotcha
[03:06:09] <dclarke> then a team setup the GARNOME build system as well as an automated process
[03:06:15] <icon> i cut my teeth on the fbsd ports collection, so GAR is very similar
[03:06:29] <dclarke> so .. at the moment we ahe just over 1600 software packages
[03:06:36] <icon> very nice
[03:06:49] <icon> let me see if i can explain what i have in mind
[03:06:50] <dclarke> that can rapidly climb to 10,000 with a good solid build system
[03:07:05] <icon> the idea is built around repositories
[03:07:23] <icon> thats probably the only way sun proper would ever consider using this... by tying it to their own supported repo's
[03:07:34] <icon> but for us, we would have a main repo for all of the current software
[03:07:37] <Gman> assuming of course that those packages have code that actually works on solaris
[03:07:52] <dclarke> I have this working theory .. if its a good thing then you can do it and people will help you :-)
[03:08:03] <dclarke> that has worked well for me
[03:08:06] <icon> anyhow, a user would resync the recipies on to the host
[03:08:12] <icon> and index db would be created
[03:08:25] <icon> that would allow name degredation, fast searches, etc.
[03:08:28] <icon> pretty boilerplate stuff
[03:08:55] <icon> now, it wouldnt be very tough to extend that as a 'build everything in the freaking repository!' type of a system
[03:09:03] <dclarke> well .. sounds like a nice sub-project .. let me know when you want to start
[03:09:24] <icon> soon i hope
[03:09:27] <dclarke> the "build everything in the freaking repository" is exactly what we are shooting for
[03:09:32] <icon> right now im really looking for opinions, advice, etc.
[03:09:41] <icon> so there would be a server component, and a client component
[03:09:52] <dclarke> look .. I have to run !
[03:09:55] <dclarke> food happens
[03:09:56] <icon> server hosts bin's, recipies, and the big freaking build outs :D
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[03:09:59] <icon> no worries ;)
[03:10:02] <dclarke> and I do eat .. from time to time
[03:10:11] <icon> i should do that myself
[03:10:17] <dclarke> icon : stay in touch . .drop me a line from time to time :-)
[03:10:22] <icon> will do :)
[03:10:23] <icon> take it easy
[03:10:30] <dclarke> ttyl !
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[03:11:30] <icon> ill see about getting the project page updated and send a notice out on -discuss :)
[03:11:33] <icon> oh well, time for food
[03:11:34] * icon &
[03:13:12] <jafari> dclarke do you make those packages on blastwave?
[03:13:48] <jafari> oh hes gone
[03:13:49] <jafari> :(
[03:15:56] <alanc> a whole bunch of people make the actual packages - the blastwave web site lists them all
[03:17:53] <dlg> anyone here know how to do byteswapping in the solaris kernel?
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[03:24:49] <jbk> dlg: BSWAP_32(), BSWAP_64(), ... from sys/byteorder.h ??
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[03:28:05] <jbk> that appears to be how existing stuff does it
[03:28:28] <sommerfeld> well, the network stack uses ntohl, htonl, etc.,
[03:28:42] <sommerfeld> (byteswap or not)
[03:32:25] <dwc-> where's nrubsig
[03:32:45] <dwc-> his komodo dragon needs to take on the flying spaghetti monster after it finishes with that large alien bug
[03:32:48] <dwc-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqg&eurl=
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[03:33:48] <ike> how to let mozilla not pop windows for let myself install flash plugin?
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[03:37:30] <dwc-> install the flash plugin =]
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[03:46:36] <boyd> Wow... /. overflowed a 24 bit comment ID field
[03:47:18] <delewis> that's scary.
[03:47:28] <delewis> just think of all that wasted space
[03:47:56] <boyd> Indeed... Of course 1/500th of them are "First comment, suckers!"
[03:48:21] <delewis> and 498/500th of them are uninformed 15 year-olds
[03:48:32] <boyd> Hehe too true
[03:48:39] <delewis> the other 1/500th are informed, intelligent comments, usually correcting the 15 year olds.
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[03:49:33] <boyd> All we need now is the 1/500th filter for the last part only
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[03:50:57] <sommerfeld> it will probably backfire and give you only the "frist psot" comments.
[03:52:32] <LeftWing> The unfortunate thing about Slashdot is that a +5 Informative post is just as likely to be complete crap as a -5 We Hate You Because You Hate Linux post.
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[03:57:47] <sommerfeld> I thought the We Hate You Because You Hate Linux posts were modded up to +5
[03:58:31] <Error_404> naw, linux kiddies are loud
[03:58:48] <Error_404> especially when you point out things like "linux as an NFS server will destroy your data"
[03:59:32] <jbk> 'but it works with other linux systems!' :)
[04:00:04] <Error_404> oh, it works across all platforms, it just might destroy the file you're working on out of spite
[04:00:10] <LeftWing> heh
[04:00:20] <LeftWing> I'm glad that hasn't happened to me yet. ;P
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[04:00:30] <jbk> i have just been hating it's craptastic vm system here lately
[04:00:41] <jbk> this shell is on a debian box
[04:00:48] <jbk> that has something that's leaking memory
[04:01:21] <jbk> so everytime my client has died has been due to it's kill-random-processes default behavior
[04:01:29] <jbk> due to memory overcommit
[04:02:05] <LeftWing> Well at least you can Say No to Overcommit these days.
[04:02:18] <jbk> yeah, dunno if this kernel supports it or not
[04:02:55] <jbk> 2.4.32
[04:03:03] <jbk> not sure when the ability to turn it off arrived
[04:03:17] <axisys> why does disk 2 and disk 12 shows diff from rest on this attached 3510
[04:03:20] <axisys> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/p8iMll71.html
[04:05:05] <gisburn> LeftWing: or add 6GB swap
[04:05:24] <gisburn> LeftWing: that kills a runaway process at the 4GB barrier and leaves 2GB for the rest
[04:05:37] <LeftWing> Or set ulimits. =P
[04:05:50] <jbk> as long as it's just one process
[04:06:00] <LeftWing> Mmm.
[04:06:42] <jbk> it's not my box, i'm just a user suffering from poor design :)
[04:07:37] <jbk> and the guy's a debian maintainer, so i don't think i could convince him to switch :)
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[04:08:25] <brandini> evening
[04:08:46] <jamesd> hi
[04:08:55] <brandini> I've been starting to do some work porting zfs to openbsd
[04:09:02] <brandini> Hey jamesd :)
[04:09:22] <jamesd> where are you located?  what is an  "arknoh"
[04:09:29] <brandini> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/usr/src/lib/libzfs_jni
[04:09:39] <brandini> jamesd: Akron, OH :)
[04:09:55] <jamesd> oh..   i'm in milwaukee..
[04:10:04] <brandini> get out!
[04:10:11] <brandini> I've got family close to there
[04:10:20] <jbk> heh
[04:10:26] <boyd> brandini: I thought there was already a project to do that.... oh, maybe I'm thinking of Freebsd
[04:10:28] * jbk is in a technology wasteland :)
[04:10:41] <brandini> boyd: only thing I've seen is for freebsd
[04:11:00] * boyd only thinks of one thing in connection with Milwaukee...
[04:11:15] <brandini> the guys said that the CDDL prevents this project from making it into "base"
[04:11:16] <jamesd> beer....
[04:11:23] <brandini> and cold!
[04:11:29] <boyd> Happy Days
[04:11:36] <brandini> so we'll have to do a rewrite of it....
[04:12:00] * boyd sighs
[04:12:03] <jbk> so i take it openbsd doesn't include firefox or mozilla?
[04:12:08] <jamesd> strange....    why not jump ship and move to freebsd,  it will have ZFS and Dtrace...
[04:12:09] <brandini> not in base
[04:12:12] <boyd> So much wasted time...
[04:12:22] <axisys> can anyone tell why format shows diff output for disk 2 and disk 12 of the 3510 attached here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/p8iMll71.html
[04:12:30] <brandini> CDDL could make it in ports though :)
[04:12:35] <axisys> i created 12 luns per port
[04:13:05] <boyd> Hard to have an FS in ports, thought, surely
[04:13:10] <boyd> s/thought/though
[04:13:16] <brandini> yeah, we've got afs in there
[04:13:17] <axisys> so format was showing 24 disks.. make sense.. then tunred on multipathing.. so i see 12 disks format again.. which is all good
[04:13:37] <axisys> but disk 2 and disk 12 shows different then rest
[04:14:12] <boyd> Is one labelled and the other not?
[04:14:27] <axisys> boyd: all are labeled.. i made sure
[04:14:28] <boyd> Bah... I think google reader needs a reboot
[04:14:48] <brandini> :)
[04:14:53] <boyd> Then I'm out of ideas... lots wasn't there?
[04:14:58] * brandini does tape backups.... ugh
[04:15:17] <boyd> brandini: Just zfs snapshot... oh, no... wait. :)
[04:15:43] <brandini> I wish d00d
[04:15:50] <brandini> this one is over the netwerk
[04:15:51] <brandini> :P
[04:16:08] <brandini> I'll have you know I'm taking a lot of crap for even looking at zfs
[04:16:18] <brandini> but I'm arguing its case because I know it's great
[04:16:26] <brandini> I've been following it for a while
[04:16:32] <brandini> just haven't had ambition or time until now
[04:17:31] <boyd> What kind of crap?
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[04:18:49] <brandini> like the port would have to make a pretty strong case to get them to change their FS
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[04:19:01] <brandini> and, I'd take xfs or FFS2 over that any day
[04:19:07] <brandini> obviously they don't understand how it works
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[04:19:34] <boyd> There are many heathens. Have strength, the power of the true way will carry the day, my son. :)
[04:19:45] <brandini> hehe
[04:20:12] <brandini> I think the first thing I'm going to do is the "illegal" way of just building it into the system
[04:20:29] <brandini> and then after I get it working pull it out into a port
[04:20:40] <boyd> That's what I'd do
[04:20:45] <brandini> is it still true that you can't boot to zfs yet?
[04:21:03] <boyd> You can root (with hackery) but not boot, true.
[04:21:19] <brandini> has apple made it work?
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[04:21:44] <boyd> Who knows. Not much slips out of them
[04:21:58] <boyd> I don't think it's a ZFS problem so much as a firmware issue
[04:22:07] <brandini> like bios?
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[04:22:13] <boyd> Yeah
[04:22:17] <brandini> gotcha
[04:22:20] <boyd> and boot loaders, etc
[04:22:37] <brandini> well if it was *just* bootloaders we'd have it fixed :)
[04:22:50] <boyd> True... I'm sure there's more..
[04:23:15] <boyd> There will be some limitations too, like only supporting mirroring on the root pool
[04:24:14] <brandini> getting the freebsd code is a PITA
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[04:24:50] <boyd> Yeah, these stinkin' open source projects where you can't get the source :)
[04:24:51] <boyd> Hey Gman
[04:24:56] <Gman> howdy
[04:25:08] <brandini> Yay!
[04:25:25] <brandini> and the bum doesn't respond to my email!
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[04:48:10] <gisburn> This whole ARC case thing starts to suck horrible.
[04:49:08] * gisburn throws a stone in kupfer's direction.
[04:50:11] <Gman> suffer in your jocks!
[04:50:38] <Gman> what's wrong about it?
[04:51:23] <gisburn> Gman: seriously: How can I ever get any students to do any opensolaris.org hacking work when even small patches result ina large, controversical email debate.
[04:51:38] <gisburn> I'd expect that a normal student will throw the towel after the 2nd week.
[04:52:04] <Tpenta> it's al in what and how you do things roland. I have seen *lots* of cases go through as fast tracks and self-reviews with little to no comment passed on them
[04:52:23] <Tpenta> I put a self review through myself yesterday
[04:52:26] <gisburn> Tpenta: did you read kupfer's comment about "sleep" ?
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[04:52:34] <gisburn> Tpenta: "full ARC case"
[04:52:35] <Tpenta> not yet
[04:52:52] <Gman> gisburn, that's the consequences of changing interfaces
[04:52:59] <gisburn> sorry, but this is not how I thought that opensolaris.org should work
[04:53:28] <Gman> you'd have similar discussions in the linux community
[04:53:35] <gisburn> it completely ruins the idea that opensolaris.org work can be integrated into an educatinal process
[04:53:55] <Gman> it *is* education
[04:53:56] <Gman> in fact
[04:54:02] <Tpenta> where would I find this comment?
[04:54:05] <Gman> i'd almost value ARC over the code
[04:54:16] <Gman> it's easy to hack up a bunch of code to do X, Y or Z
[04:54:40] <Gman> it's much harder to rationalize what you're doing, why you're doing so and communicate those ideas
[04:54:51] <gisburn> Tpenta: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/2006-November/001712.html
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[04:57:33] <Tpenta> They key word in what MIke put in there is "controversial"
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[04:59:09] <gisburn> Tpenta: I didn't expect that the sleep thing would turn into a controversial mayhem.
[04:59:20] <Tpenta> I think that I (for one) would not like to see this done piecemeal (ie one command at a time) and I think that such far reaching changes should go through a full review
[04:59:33] <jlc> sup sup
[05:00:20] <jlc> austin, tx kinda sucks for a city travel guide said "the best small city" or something like that
[05:00:31] <jbk> haha
[05:00:35] <Gman> gisburn, might also be worth having the students who do the work, getting involved in the ARC cases
[05:00:36] <jbk> i liked austin when i was there :)
[05:00:54] <jlc> of course I kinda sit in front of my puter and don't do anything out side that, but eh
[05:01:27] <jbk> go to 6th st or warehouse district or uhm.. other establishments (it is texas after all)
[05:01:49] <jlc> I was told to STAY away from 6th st. :)
[05:02:07] <jlc> drunk mile and you can buy crack a block away
[05:02:19] <jbk> lots of bars, *lots* of live music
[05:02:28] <Tpenta> there are certain to be issues like "the XYZ command at the moment is defined twith a particular stability, I believe that the aim with ksh93 integration is that we would track updates reasonably closely. So what happens if ksh93 changes the interface of the command XYZ? How do we deal with that?" It's these kind of questions to which we would need answers and could prov=oke amazing amounts of discussion
[05:02:30] <gisburn> Gman: as I said, I expect that this kind of ARC work will force any student to drop the towel in the 2nd week and ask for ANY other work except opensolaris.org-related stuff
[05:02:50] <jlc> yeah, they said you have to be drunk to enjoy the music
[05:02:57] <jbk> bah
[05:03:01] <jlc> lol
[05:03:02] <jlc> :)
[05:03:13] <gisburn> Tpenta: ksh93 and AST implements POSIX
[05:03:16] <jbk> that's like saying you have to smoke pot to enjoy pink floyd
[05:03:26] <jlc> don't you?
[05:03:29] <jlc> ;)
[05:03:34] <gisburn> Tpenta: and I hope POSIX is not something which requires much debate, right ?
[05:03:58] <jbk> heh.. actually no, but even friends that do, can enjoy it with or without..
[05:04:07] <Tpenta> you obviously missed the debate earlier in the year about how /usr/bin, /usr/xpg4/bin and /usr/xpg6/bin have diverged
[05:04:08] <Gman> gisburn, perhaps
[05:04:22] <jlc> I used to enjoy pink floyd and supertramp, but um, I was high at the time....
[05:04:36] <Gman> gisburn, but your attitude towards ARC is obviously not going to encourage them either
[05:04:50] <jlc> stopped getting high and don't listen to them, i thought it was a connection :)
[05:04:58] <jlc> whatup Gman
[05:05:01] <Tpenta> so how do we handle the instance where a /usr/bin command that has a particular behaviour, is different from posix?
[05:05:04] <Gman> hey jlc
[05:05:13] <jlc> I'll get back in to filling bugs from jds her in a bit
[05:05:18] <gisburn> Gman: I can guide them only as long they see the end of the tunnel. But if you take away that light students will RUN...
[05:05:24] <jlc> I've been wicked busy
[05:05:29] <jbk> i'll probably be back to austin sometime next year
[05:05:44] <jlc> i'm at a websphere class now
[05:05:48] <gisburn> Tpenta: bind it to /usr/xpg4/bin
[05:05:51] <jbk> i'm sorry :)
[05:05:54] <jlc> turns out i know most ofit
[05:05:57] <jlc> ;)
[05:05:58] <gisburn> Tpenta: I don't say that we should replace all commands.
[05:06:00] <jlc> pays the bills
[05:06:03] <Gman> gisburn, then take on easier projects to start with
[05:06:19] <jbk> they stopped sending us out of town for training
[05:06:19] <Error_404> i don't even know what websphere is
[05:06:24] <brandini> hehe
[05:06:32] <jbk> and just send us to the same few classes every few years
[05:06:33] <gisburn> Tpenta: but things like "sleep" and "test" are easy and I tought they are even non-controversical
[05:06:40] <jlc> I should reissue that statment, pays the bills and it isn't M$
[05:06:47] <gisburn> Gman: what would be easier than /usr/bin/sleep ?
[05:06:58] <gisburn> Gman: the only "lower" item may be /usr/bin/true
[05:06:59] <Tpenta> I thihnk the problem is that it needs to be looked at as a whole, not piecemeal
[05:07:02] <Tpenta> perhaps, ....
[05:07:13] <Error_404> jlc: what's websphere?
[05:07:26] <brandini> web framework
[05:07:31] <jlc> websphere appserver is like glassfish/weblogic/jboss
[05:07:42] <Tpenta> a full "umbrella case" to do general direction and policy and the appropriate type of review on a per command basis?
[05:07:44] <jlc> I'm in a portal class
[05:07:54] <jlc> used a lot
[05:08:19] <jbk> we have some websphere
[05:08:39] <jbk> but mostly weblogic
[05:08:40] <jlc> go to "sprint.com" thats a portal/appserver powered by websphere :)
[05:08:49] <jbk> yes it is
[05:08:51] <jlc> also, the biggest portal in the world :)
[05:09:07] * jbk holds his tongue
[05:09:30] <jlc> also, makes some folks work 80+ hours a week when on call.....
[05:09:33] <jbk> did you work on it?
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[05:09:41] <jlc> does more like it
[05:09:43] <Tpenta> hello eric
[05:09:56] <jbk> heh
[05:10:03] <jlc> ;)
[05:10:09] <eboutilier> Hi Alan, hi all
[05:10:25] <jlc> according to big blue, we are the biggest portal in the world
[05:10:38] <jlc> and that was before we added a 3rd cluster
[05:10:45] <brandini> &*
[05:10:53] <jlc> so I guess we are the biggest portal times 2
[05:10:56] <jlc> ;)
[05:11:20] <jbk> cluster is probably a good term :)
[05:11:33] <jlc> aye
[05:11:35] <brandini> sorry kitten took over
[05:12:00] <jlc> we had to add a 3rd cause we were getting rocked, which I guess isn't a bad reason
[05:12:18] 
[05:12:18] <jlc> keep in mind these are BIG clusters
[05:12:31] <brandini> hehe
[05:12:40] <jbk> yeah, but i have to wonder in terms $$ spent/usage compares elsewhere
[05:12:49] <jlc> yeah
[05:12:51] <jbk> i'm guessing sprint.com isn't the most used j2ee site in the world
[05:12:59] <jbk> why does it need the largest websphere cluster?
[05:13:06] <Error_404> jlc: i've not fooled with j2ee much, it just seems unneccesarily complex
[05:13:09] <jlc> I imagine we bought the sales guy an island
[05:13:11] <brandini> cause the programming sucks the most?
[05:13:12] <gisburn> brandini: http://www.hundefeind.de/retrievergulasch.html
[05:13:28] * jbk hands brandini a cookie
[05:13:33] <jlc> jbk, you'd be supprised at the output we push
[05:13:52] <jbk> i wouldn't, but i still doubt it's the worlds busiest j2ee site
[05:14:06] <jlc> we figured out the busy times are about when most folks are at happy hour d/l ringers and such :)
[05:14:39] <jbk> but anyway, who told you to stay away from 6th st?
[05:14:42] <jlc> well, the biggest ibm portal
[05:14:53] <gisburn> brandini: you can also make soups: http://www.hundefeind.de/hundesuppe.html
[05:15:03] <Error_404> drunk + cellphone = "of course $2 for a crappy rendition of an even crappier pop song is a good deal"
[05:15:04] <jlc> my nurse in kc, mo told me its crazy and some folks around here
[05:15:10] <brandini> so why aren't there tarballs available anymore?
[05:15:19] <jbk> oh pfft
[05:15:20] <jlc> Error_404, lol, yeah :)
[05:15:35] <dlg> anyone here know how to do byteswapping in the solaris kernel?
[05:15:49] <jlc> I work for said phone company and my phone pretty much has default ringer
[05:15:54] <brandini> dlg: Hey man
[05:15:59] <brandini> :)
[05:16:02] <jbk> dlg: #include <sys/byteorder.h>
[05:16:15] <dlg> jbk: which manpage covers that stuff?
[05:16:22] <Error_404> i actually don't have a cellphone
[05:16:25] <Error_404> on purpose, mostly
[05:16:30] <jlc> WOW
[05:16:37] <jlc> I don't have a home phone :)
[05:16:42] <Error_404> if I'm on the road or at the coffeeshop, i don't *want* to be gotten ahold of
[05:16:50] <Error_404> leave me a voice mail, i'll get back to you
[05:16:53] <jlc> I don't use my desk phone either
[05:16:53] <dlg> brandini: hey
[05:17:04] <jbk> dlg: just seems to be what stuff is using
[05:17:09] <jbk> just some macros
[05:17:14] <brandini> dlg: I am working on zfs for openbsd
[05:17:29] <dlg> brandini: dont lie
[05:17:34] <jlc> of course every month when I go on call for 80+ hours, the like to call me
[05:17:35] <brandini> I am!
[05:17:46] <jbk> when i get home, my phone goes on the charger in my bedroom, and i sit in the basement
[05:18:16] <jlc> I don't have that choice, unless I leave ;)
[05:18:20] <jbk> so you can call, i won't hear it ring
[05:18:28] <jbk> well i keep it with me when i'm on call
[05:18:43] <jlc> aye
[05:18:44] <Error_404> on the minus side i get telemarketing phone calls from hosting vendors at home
[05:18:51] <jbk> but if i'm not, unless you've made some prior arrangement, you have no guarantee i'm available
[05:18:52] <dlg> hrm
[05:19:06] <jbk> that's what the oncall is for
[05:19:12] <brandini> dlg: between the folks in here and #obsd I'll have enough resources to get it done
[05:19:15] <jlc> jbk, I'm done with that :)
[05:19:24] <brandini> dlg: work has already been done to get it to freebsd
[05:19:34] <dlg> brandini: its a geom thing in fbsd though
[05:19:36] <dlg> we dont have that
[05:19:45] <dlg> also, it wont make it into the tree cos of licensing
[05:19:51] <jlc> java going GPL would push it wicked much....
[05:19:51] <brandini> yeah, I'm aware
[05:20:03] <brandini> dlg: I'm going to put it into ports first
[05:20:08] <Error_404> java going GPL would scuttle java
[05:20:15] <brandini> dlg: with a loadable kernel module
[05:20:45] <dlg> brandini: sounds like masochism to me
[05:20:56] <dlg> but if you're keen, then go for it
[05:20:56] <brandini> wouldn't have it any other way
[05:20:58] <jlc> A scuttle is a small opening, or lid thereof, in a ship's deck or hull.
[05:21:00] <brandini> :)
[05:21:05] <jlc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttle
[05:21:12] <jlc> lol
[05:21:18] <Error_404> "does running a java app on a gpl'ed VM count as 'linking'? who knows, let's not risk it"
[05:21:20] <jlc> not sure that works so well
[05:21:35] <Error_404> yes, i know what scuttle means... i mean it in terms of "gpl will sink java"
[05:21:40] <brandini> dlg: we miss you btw :)
[05:21:48] <dlg> in #obsd?
[05:21:51] <brandini> yup
[05:21:58] <dlg> aww
[05:21:59] * dlg blush
[05:22:00] <jlc> come on, gpl hasn't sunk anyone
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[05:22:03] <brandini> I know you're busy, but there's a lot going on in there
[05:22:07] <jlc> let alone java
[05:22:25] <jlc> an extremly large language
[05:23:20] <dlg> i think gpl will be good for java
[05:23:25] <jlc> folks aren't going to go "Oh CRAP java is under GPL, lets move over to .net...."
[05:23:25] <Error_404> well, i'm thinking in terms of if it came to making a business decision, would you really want to risk being forced to give away your product because running it on a vm might be considered "linking"
[05:23:42] <Error_404> you're certain of that?
[05:23:48] <dlg> Error_404: sun might go with the lgpl if that is the case
[05:23:52] <jlc> yes
[05:24:01] <dlg> however, i doubt theyll define using the vm as linking with it
[05:24:14] <Gman> i'm sure more folks will be appreciative of a gpl java than the current state of mono :)
[05:24:15] <brandini> yeah, that's not likely to happen
[05:24:48] <Error_404> lgpl would be a much better idea
[05:24:59] <jlc> brandini, gpl + java or something else?
[05:25:17] <Error_404> why not CDDL, i'm not sure, but GPL just seems too risky
[05:25:34] <richlowe> there's very little difference in risk.
[05:25:36] <brandini> jlc: what was said about using the vm as linking with it
[05:25:55] <jlc> cddl, is well cddl and um well not many like it to be honest
[05:26:11] <brandini> nope
[05:26:14] <jbk> it's the mozilla license
[05:26:17] <brandini> may as well cut off your arms
[05:26:18] <jbk> effectively
[05:26:23] <dlg> it would have been cool if os was under a bsd or isc license
[05:26:24] <jlc> I can't say that I don't like it, but it has some limits that are well different
[05:26:40] <brandini> yup, s/CDDL/BSD
[05:26:41] <brandini> :)
[05:26:51] * jlc <--- is not a lawyer and HATES reading that shit so take this with a grain of salt
[05:27:21] <brandini> I'll tell you what I hate, having to rewrite stuff because of license conflicts :)
[05:27:34] <jlc> As far as I care, the license can't take a flying leap :)
[05:27:41] <richlowe> whatever license is chosen, for anything, at least half the people who care will hate it.
[05:27:43] <brandini> Yay!
[05:28:03] <jlc> I just want to use it
[05:28:54] <jlc> speaking of flying leaps, I'm going to go check the weather outside......
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[05:33:09] <jbk> hmm.. anyone know offhand if on an ultra 10, getting faults and fmdump shows:
[05:33:16] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6577 ereport.io.pci.sec-sta                0x00030bda60300001
[05:33:20] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6577 ereport.io.pci.target-rta             0x00030bda60300001
[05:33:23] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6577 ereport.io.pci.rta                    0x00030bda60300001
[05:33:26] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6576 ereport.io.pci.sta                    0x00030bc471c00001
[05:33:29] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6576 ereport.io.pci.sta                    0x00030bc471c00001
[05:33:32] <jbk> Feb 04 01:37:41.6577 ereport.io.pci.rta                    0x00030bda60300001
[05:33:35] <jbk> repeated a lot, what that might suggest as the problem?
[05:34:28] <Error_404> something's broke
[05:34:29] <jamesd> it means its time to visit   www.ebay.com   and buy a new u5/u10...  but a u60 or better would be perferable.
[05:35:00] <jbk> Error_404: well i gathered that much :)
[05:35:52] <jlc> I have a u60 limping along on one proc, cause I'm to cheap to by another but it is still a good play box
[05:38:13] <jlc>  hurm, think it is time for me to sleep, later all
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[05:42:23] <boyd> Gah... fscking cryptic kerberos error messages
[05:46:54] <dlg> OMG I TALKED TO THE FIMRWARE
[05:47:09] <boyd> Did it answer?
[05:47:28] <gisburn> dlg: horrible
[05:47:38] <gisburn> dlg: you need a doctor.
[05:47:44] <dlg> boyd: yes
[05:47:47] <jbk> and was the answer an explicitave? :)
[05:47:55] <dlg> Nov 10 14:46:19 vavaea mfi: [ID 358698 kern.notice] NOTICE: omg initted
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[05:48:17] <gisburn> Oh My God
[05:48:47] <Error_404> ?
[05:48:54] <gisburn> dlg: still better tan NOTICE: EOW inited.
[05:48:56] <boyd> All this is greek to me
[05:49:03] <gisburn> s/tan/than/
[05:49:28] <boyd> Hoooooo freaking raaaaay! I got kadmin to start
[05:49:50] * gisburn watches boyd's head explode.
[05:49:59] <gisburn> boyd: don't forget to send pictures to ogrish.com
[05:50:13] <boyd> Happy to provide food for your dragons
[05:50:24] <gisburn> Thx! :-)
[05:51:38] <dlg> gisburn: i have no idea what that is
[05:52:03] <gisburn> dlg: You mean "EOW" ?
[05:52:09] <dlg> yes
[05:52:24] <gisburn> dlg: "EOW" = "End Of World"
[05:52:29] <dlg> ah
[05:52:37] <gisburn> dlg: e.g. NOTICE: End Of World inited
[05:53:38] <gisburn> or: DNA
[05:53:41] <dlg> i get it now
[05:53:57] <gisburn> NOTICE: DNA about this.
[05:54:12] <boyd> dlg: I think the problem was that you were trying to use the omfg driver
[05:54:32] <dlg> boyd: uhm... no
[05:54:34] <dlg> im writing my own
[05:54:47] * boyd rolls his eyes... it was a jike
[05:54:50] <boyd> joke even
[05:55:02] <dlg> oops
[05:55:02] <gisburn> boyd: "irl" driver needs a "g" frontend.
[05:55:47] <gisburn> (ok, that one was stupid)
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[06:06:18] <boyd> jamesd: How on earth did you do that?
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[06:09:33] * jmcp gets ready for U2
[06:09:35] <jmcp> w000t!
[06:11:14] <LeftWing> jmcp: The band?
[06:11:44] <jmcp> LeftWing: is there any other?
[06:11:58] <LeftWing> Could be Update 2 of something. ;P
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[06:15:15] <jmcp> LeftWing: you wish :)
[06:15:29] <LeftWing> Haha. I've already got Update 2, I'm after Update 3. =P
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[06:17:45] <dwc-> boyd: he didn't
[06:18:05] <dwc-> that was a /quit message
[06:18:20] <boyd> I thought so, but I'm easily confused :)
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[06:44:36] <delewis> 23:42 < tmbg> I consider solaris a bastard stepchild, mainly. doesn't really
[06:44:39] <delewis>               fit neatly into any category
[06:44:40] * delewis chuckles
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[06:44:45] <delewis> that coming from #openbsd..
[06:45:52] <delewis> where the majority of people argue that Solaris is "BSD derived"
[06:46:02] <jbk> haha
[06:46:09] <delewis> jbk: seriously
[06:46:14] <jbk> i'm not surprised
[06:46:23] <delewis> 23:30 < Han> delewis, come on. Solaris is a BSD derative
[06:46:34] <delewis> 23:37 < Han> When I tried solaris 8 or something like that I was surprised the
[06:46:38] <delewis>              way it resembled bsd in it's core.
[06:46:45] <delewis> and no, he wasn't joking. :-)
[06:46:57] <jbk> that's why there's all these at&t sysv copyright notices everywhere :)
[06:47:23] <delewis> jbk: I pasted the output from this:
[06:47:33] <delewis> cat *.h | grep AT\&T | wc -l
[06:47:36] <delewis> in /usr/include :-)
[06:47:51] <delewis> and that, of course, only got the top-level headers.
[06:48:04] <jbk> heh
[06:48:13] <jbk> well.. you know about arguing on the internet...
[06:49:37] <jbk> i doubt whatever evidence you tell him would convince him
[06:50:27] <jbk> i mean, you could line up every employee of sun that's ever touched the solaris source code and say it's sysv based with bsd compatability, and i'm guessing he'd still insist it's bsd derived :)
[06:51:10] <delewis> jbk: he eventually stated I took his meaning of derived to mean something else
[06:51:28] <delewis> 23:33 < Han> And you misunderstand me. possibly on purpose
[06:51:37] <delewis> 23:33 < delewis> Han: you should use accepted definitions when you speak.
[06:51:37] <delewis>                  Mis-understanding is common if you do not.
[06:51:38] <delewis> 23:34 < Han> delewis, you should shut the fuck up
[06:51:45] <delewis> that's when I figured out he was probably a teen. :-)
[06:51:52] <delewis> and wondered off
[06:52:15] <jbk> i leave the redefinition of words to mean whatever is most expedient at the time to politicians
[06:54:46] <AbeFroman> haha
[06:55:20] <jbk> woah, the sausage king of chicago is here :P
[06:56:15] <AbeFroman> party of three
[06:59:50] <frtdx> http://www.rfgonline.com/subsforum/linuxsolaris.PDF:: Linux 2.6 vs Solaris 10 :)
[07:00:22] <jbk> sponsored by ibm & red hat
[07:00:30] <jbk> i can't imagine this being biased at all :)
[07:00:35] <frtdx> http://www.rfgonline.com/subsforum/linuxsolaris.PDF
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[07:04:00] <dwc-> it doesn't seem all that biased to me
[07:04:11] <dwc-> granted, I only skimmed it
[07:06:36] <dwc-> this report's also what, 18 months old?
[07:07:15] <jbk> it does seem out of date
[07:07:32] <dwc-> and there's some interesting typographical errors in it as well
[07:07:35] <jbk> it also seems to always go into lots of detail about linux, then gloss over the stuff in solaris
[07:07:47] <dwc-> like ... "Journaled for fast rights[sic] and short recovery times."
[07:08:35] <jbk> and doesn't seem to entirely grasp things like dtrace or zfs
[07:08:40] <gnu2it2> where is a good info on setting up a jumpstart server? aimed towards noob. want to look at nv-b51a
[07:08:49] <jbk> doesn't mention things like smf + self healing
[07:09:16] <jbk> or the improvements fireengine brought
[07:09:17] <jbk> etc.
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[07:09:42] <jbk> downplays the abi hell you see on linux, etc.
[07:09:58] <AbeFroman> what abi?
[07:10:09] <jbk> haha
[07:10:15] <dwc-> there's little ABI issues if you only use vendor-supported distributions and versions
[07:10:32] <dlg> dwc-: but you're using linux. thats enough of an issue to annoy me
[07:10:52] * dwc- shrugs
[07:11:37] <dwc-> seriously, it annoys me too, when I run into it, but most enterprises won't be
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[07:24:59] <twincest> hm.. no news on hg
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[07:51:30] <noyb> twincest: what do you mean about hg?
[07:52:18] <noyb> timeless: ?
[07:52:25] <twincest> noyd: it's offline for some reason
[07:52:38] <noyb> the hg website?
[07:52:46] <twincest> the onnv-gate hg mirror
[07:52:53] <twincest> (ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate)
[07:53:02] <noyb> ah.  missed that.
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[07:55:32] <Error_404> my U2, she lives!
[07:58:15] <LeftWing> Not the band, in this case, I guess.
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[07:58:29] <Error_404> naw, i just pulled my ultra2 out of the closet
[07:58:34] <Error_404> no particular reason
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[08:00:32] <Error_404> 'course, i only have one of those crap optical mice, so it's more useful to login via the network
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[08:28:03] <razrX> morning all
[08:31:08] <Error_404> unfortunate, it's decided to never boot from the cdrom again
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[08:53:52] <Elendal> Nice, reconfiguration boot is eliminated in 10/06
[08:54:19] <LeftWing> Hmm?
[08:54:30] <asyd> \_o<
[08:54:39] <LeftWing> (Duck.)
[08:54:58] <Triskelios> Elendal: eh? tell me more
[08:55:18] <Elendal> New Features in Solaris Express 10/06  http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2183/6n4g726uc?a=view
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[08:55:52] <twincest> that's nice
[08:56:15] <Elendal> yes, I always forget to do that
[08:56:59] <Triskelios> oh, I guess I've been taking advantage of that already
[08:57:39] <Triskelios> the cups client-side support is also highly interesting
[08:58:37] <Triskelios> ack, why is server support an apache module..
[08:59:37] <dwc-> I thought that said IPP, not CUPS
[09:01:17] <Triskelios> you're right, I just converted that in my mind...
[09:01:35] <asyd> Elendal: nice
[09:02:14] <Triskelios> well, if someone added slp browsing, it would be reasonable client-side support for cups
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[09:05:08] <kleppari> methinks cups is nasty
[09:05:23] <dwc-> maybe you need some SOAP
[09:05:27] <kleppari> heh :P
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[09:06:33] <LeftWing> Per-user Kerberos auth to the LDAP naming services is cool.
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[09:07:29] <LeftWing> Depending, of course, on what it actually means.  It's a fairly brief mention. =P
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[09:15:56] <dwc-> sounds kinda like how NIS+ uses user credentials to access tables?
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[09:21:46] <twincest> right, time to submit lots of sponsor requests :)
[09:25:18] <Elendal> call microsoft, lately they sponsor all kind of unusuall projects, like SuSE
[09:33:43] <Error_404> Elendal: i think he was talking about OpenSolaris contributor sponsor requests
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[09:34:21] <Error_404> as in "sponsor the code that it's okay to shove in to O/N"
[09:35:11] <dlg> if there's free money, i'll put my hand up
[09:36:03] <twincest> yeah, it'd be neat if MS sponsored me to work on Solaris, but i'm not quite there yet ;-)
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[09:42:26] <PosixC> I am trying to prepare install server and getting error: ./setup_install_server: line 1114: bar: command not found
[09:42:35] <PosixC> when running from x86 linux box
[09:42:38] <PosixC> what is ths bar
[09:43:03] <PosixC> according to the script (setup_install_server)
[09:43:10] <PosixC> it says in line 1114: cpio on 4.1.x has an obscure bug with symlinks on
[09:43:20] <PosixC> hsfs media.  Use bar instead.
[09:43:24] <wilbury> PosixC: preparing install server is (quite) easy
[09:43:25] <PosixC> and then
[09:43:30] <wilbury> even without setup_install_server
[09:43:44] <PosixC> I want to stick to docs
[09:43:50] <PosixC> and then it says: bar cf - . | (cd ${target}; bar xfBp -)
[09:44:02] <PosixC> I simply googled for this "bar"
[09:44:07] <PosixC> and did not find something
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[09:44:36] <wilbury> setup_install_server has be run on solaris, not on linux
[09:45:51] <PosixC> wilbury, I assume it can be x86 solaris ?
[09:46:55] <tsoome> sure
[09:47:12] <tsoome> and vice versa as well
[09:47:29] <PosixC> tsoome, ok ; thnks
[09:47:30] <tsoome> my install server for my opteron is oltra 450;)
[09:47:42] <wilbury> my install server is linux laptop :-)
[09:47:51] <PosixC> wilbury, so
[09:47:54] <wilbury> helped me to understand what the hell the install program does :-)
[09:47:56] <PosixC> you did not used that script
[09:48:01] <tsoome> wilbury: I feel sorry for you;)
[09:48:02] <PosixC> you did it by hand
[09:48:11] <PosixC> or there is a script for linux ?
[09:48:34] <wilbury> PosixC: no, it's easy to setup an install server
[09:49:10] <PosixC> wilbury, ok, I see (you told this before )
[09:49:20] <PosixC> wilbury, can you guide me what to do ?
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[09:49:34] <PosixC> I am working on linux x86
[09:49:53] <wilbury> PosixC: there are quite a few howtos on-the-web, but basically you need rarp, bootp, tftp, nfs and dns server
[09:49:54] <PosixC> and the sparc iso DVD is mounted
[09:50:07] <wilbury> PosixC: that dvd has 2 slices, you should mount them both
[09:50:17] <PosixC> wilbury, I will go and find a solaris machine
[09:50:20] <wilbury> but.. there are really decent howtos.
[09:50:31] <wilbury> on how to setup install server on linux.
[09:52:34] <PosixC> It seems to me that to install with solaris is simpler so will take less time ; that's all
[09:52:53] <PosixC> and I have also a solaris x86 here so why waste time ?
[09:53:43] <wilbury> PosixC: you are very wise.
[09:54:51] <Triskelios> um, an install server is really just the contents of the install DVD
[09:54:59] <Triskelios> exported via nfs
[09:55:44] <PosixC> wilbury, regarding the 2 slices : how do I detect them and mount them ?
[09:56:00] <PosixC> dont know much about it
[09:56:56] <wilbury> in linux, fdisk -l
[09:57:24] <PosixC> in solaris
[09:58:07] <dwc-> aren't you on linux x86?
[09:58:24] <PosixC> dwc-,yes I am but
[09:58:25] <dwc-> fdisk can read the labels I believe
[09:58:44] <PosixC> dwc-, I want to install from solaris because the script is not for linux
[09:59:05] <PosixC> to install from solaris x86
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[10:53:13] <richlowe> twincest: whoa.
[10:53:18] <twincest> ;-D
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[11:09:57] <Berny> .oO(what exactly does the zfs tunable "zfs_gang_bang" do?)
[11:11:21] <PerterB> probably best not to think about what it does to your disks ;)
[11:11:33] <Berny> hehe
[11:16:02] <quasi> nicenum(zio_gang_bang, nice_gang_bang);
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[11:18:23] <noyb> ugh...  I know it's late when I see calumb.  g'night folks.  :)
[11:18:41] <calumb> noyb: don't worry, I'm a bit early today :)
[11:18:54] <noyb> 2am is late enuf
[11:19:06] <calumb> heh
[11:19:09] <noyb> good day calumb see you on the other end of the day.
[11:19:10] <PerterB> and here was me, just thinking about elevenses
[11:19:35] <Berny> hey calumb
[11:21:21] <PerterB> way off topic, but... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/6132140.stm ... somehow reminds me of some of the end users I've had to deal with
[11:23:13] <Berny> candidate for the darwin awards 8-)
[11:23:47] <PerterB> that's why we need bigger fireworks
[11:29:11] <Berny> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2005-14.html *outch*
[11:30:32] <Cyrille> indeed
[11:33:33] <PerterB> the handsomeness of the welsh rugby team is matched only by the intelligence of their fans
[11:35:38] <Berny> :>
[11:36:19] <Berny> .oO(so you're not welsh than... :>)
[11:37:51] * calumb wouldn't have minded being ugly enough to pull Charlotte Church when he was Gavin Henson's age...
[11:38:14] <PerterB> no, I'm irish :)
[11:38:47] <PerterB> and I should have said "some of their fans" otherwise it's a bit offensive
[11:38:47] <Berny> .oO(i guess i should be carefull who to call a sheep shagger when talking on this channel :>)
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[11:45:46] <Berny> morning Gman
[11:48:08] <Gman_> hey Berny
[11:53:58] <Doc> ok, after a week of processing my 1500 megapixel photo of Machu Picchu is done!
[11:54:03] <Doc> http://www.docbert.org/MP/
[12:01:29] <PerterB> neat (found your sydneybynight one too)... how do you go about taking the original pics to get good coverage?
[12:02:34] <Doc> a combination of a good tripod, practice, and a lot of discipline :)
[12:02:46] <PerterB> :)
[12:03:01] <Gman_> Doc, man, that's fucking awesome!
[12:04:15] <quasi> quite impressive
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[12:07:26] <Doc> thank you :)
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[12:09:12] <quasi> how do you manage to make sure you cover the whole area?
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[12:10:56] <Doc> the same 3 things as above
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[12:13:35] <twincest> hm
[12:13:45] <twincest> i think ON engineers should be made to use the community tools :)
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[12:16:10] <Doc> quasi: basically i just pick a point about 20% in from one side of each photo, and then take the next with that same point about 20% in from the other side
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[12:17:20] <quasi> I was thinking motorised tripod and laser guidance ;)
[12:18:32] <Doc> nah.. all manual
[12:18:55] <quasi> just all the more impressive
[12:19:37] <quasi> knowing what trouble I had when trying the same with just 4 or 5 pics
[12:20:45] <Doc> i took over 600 photos in about 2 hours - certainly a new record for me :)
[12:24:38] <boyd> Ouch, todays sunalert is ugly... remote arbitrary code execution via the ssh service. No current solution
[12:25:09] <twincest> boyd: url?
[12:25:17] <boyd> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102711-1
[12:29:55] <twincest> the OpenSSL advisory is dated 2006-09-28.. how come the sun alert is only released now?
[12:30:47] * boyd shrugs
[12:36:58] <twincest> hmm, sunsolve isn't working, it just returns 'bad request' when i try to search for patches
[12:37:52] <quasi> twincest: I got that on the first attempt, reload worked
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[13:06:10] <Doc> umm.. is blogs.sun.com borked?
[13:06:48] <boyd> Seems to be for me
[13:07:03] <boyd> Hey, Doc. Back home?
[13:07:17] <Doc> yah
[13:07:38] <boyd> Bummer :)
[13:07:40] <Doc> you see my URL above?
[13:07:46] <boyd> Nope
[13:07:51] * boyd scrolls
[13:07:58] <Doc> http://www.docbert.org/MP/ - 1500 megapixel photo
[13:08:29] <boyd> Wow! What I did on my summer holiday, huh? :)
[13:09:04] <boyd> Very impressive, Doc
[13:09:23] * Doc kicks BSC
[13:09:45] <boyd> Hey, I think I know one of those people up the back :)
[13:10:33] <Doc> some of the ppl i was travelling with are in there somewhere - i've tasked them with trying to find themselves :)
[13:11:19] <boyd> The more I look the more people I see
[13:11:45] <boyd> Dude, it looks like someone brought their own ladder
[13:12:04] <Doc> best way to see over the crowds that appear later in the day
[13:13:13] <boyd> That must be hell getting it through customs :)
[13:16:17] <raph_ael> hello
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[13:28:56] <bougie> hello :p
[13:29:35] <raph_ael> chandelier
[13:39:12] <Vanuatoo> is blogs.sun.com up?
[13:40:00] <calumb> doesn't appear to be...
[13:40:29] <boyd>  /topic Yes, blogs.sun.com seems to be down
[13:41:16] <Doc> suppose i could raise a ticket for it...
[13:42:17] <Doc> any got a log of what time i first said it was down?
[13:42:57] <boyd> 11:06 my time
[13:43:02] <Doc> ta
[13:43:21] <Doc> ok.. ticket raised
[13:55:42] * LeftWing wonders if Doc's picture has anyone named Wally in it.
[13:57:22] <twincest> when /usr/ccs/bin moves to /usr/bin, will manpage sections change?
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[14:07:49] <ekix> hi
[14:08:15] <ekix> does anybody have a recommendation of a core 2 duo motherboard which works fine w/ opensolaris?
[14:09:13] <Doc> blogs.sun.com is being looked at as i... err.. type
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[14:10:02] <Doc> twincest: there is a guy in a red jacket a bit like wally
[14:10:24] <LeftWing> I'm sure twincest totally cares. =)
[14:10:54] <Doc> hey, he bought it up :)
[14:11:01] <twincest> no i didn't :)
[14:11:16] <Doc> ohh.. good point
[14:11:20] <LeftWing> =)
[14:11:21] <Doc> s/twinecst/LeftWing/
[14:12:12] * boyd can't believe he's watching RoboCop
[14:12:35] <Doc> (the guy in the red jackets name is Brett, not Wally, and he's from Melbourne)
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[14:15:06] <Doc> ok, BSC is up
[14:16:55] <OnkelSchorsch> yay \o/
[14:16:56] <LeftWing> boyd: Stop that, now!
[14:17:13] * LeftWing wonders if there's to be a Christmas SOSUG.
[14:17:32] <boyd> It's really quite bad.
[14:17:58] <Cyrille> but you can play the "in which tv show was that guy?" game.
[14:18:04] <boyd> I saw it on release in the cinema
[14:18:23] <LeftWing> Wow, how long ago was that?
[14:18:28] <boyd> 1987
[14:18:29] <Cyrille> somewhere in the 80s...
[14:18:35] <LeftWing> I was SO two.
[14:18:40] * boyd feels old
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[14:19:01] <Cyrille> now I feel old too...
[14:19:06] <LeftWing> lol
[14:19:09] <LeftWing> Oops.
[14:19:49] <LeftWing> I think I need to write a quick Java app to throw my IMAP mailbox into Bayesian filtering folders.
[14:20:48] <boyd> Ok, that's it... I'd better take my aging bones to bed.
[14:20:51] <boyd> Night 'yall
[14:20:56] <LeftWing> Night boyd.
[14:21:02] <boyd> s/'y/y'/ :)
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[14:31:15] <twincest> yay, an arc case
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[15:47:56] <jamesd> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/11/things-you-wont-see-in-opensolaris-code.html  or the quickest ways to get your ?ARC fasttrack? rejected quickly.
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[15:50:34] <asyd> hello jamesd
[15:50:41] <jamesd> hi ducky
[15:51:00] <asyd> how are you
[15:51:11] <jamesd> i'm okay
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[15:54:41] <Snake007uk> \_<
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[15:55:42] <pacx> hi all
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[15:58:40] <twincest> hmm, this CR is becoming more complex than i imagined
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[16:28:47] <ekix> hi. where can i find the opensolaris hcl list?
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[16:38:13] <twincest> gisburn = roland mainz, right?
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[16:39:39] <cub> I had 99% capacity in /var, then I cleaned up the big files by removing them.  However, df -h   still shows 99% capacity.  Any idea ?
[16:40:20] <PerterB> something still has the files you unlinked open
[16:40:42] <cub> do I see it in ps  ?
[16:40:50] <cub> how do I find that open files ?
[16:41:26] <PerterB> pfiles, lsof
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[16:44:03] <jbk> try find /proc -links 0 i think
[16:46:52] <cub> jbk: I get like 470 entries with that command
[16:48:17] <jbk> i'm probably forgetting some flags
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[16:50:33] <PerterB> sockets and pipes show up with a link count of zero too in /proc
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[16:51:15] <jbk> try adding -type f
[16:51:20] <cub> the big file was /var/cluster/spm
[16:51:23] <cub> oh ok
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[16:52:51] <cub> jbk: I still get like 43 entries...what should I look for ?
[16:53:08] <cub> something new though
[16:53:09] <cub> find: stat() error /proc/8239: No such file or directory
[16:53:09] <cub> find: stat() error /proc/8240: No such file or directory
[16:53:15] <jbk> that can happen
[16:53:26] <ekix> hey GUYS
[16:53:32] <jbk> but that might give you which processes are still holding on to files that have been rm'ed
[16:53:41] <ekix> could you help me out a little bit? where's the hcl list for opensolaris?
[16:54:03] <twincest> there's an hcl at www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ but it's not always complete
[16:54:04] <cub> oh ok
[16:54:55] <ekix> twincest, hmm, i thought that opensolaris has it's own list. do you happen to know what core 2 motherboards are supported by opensolaris?
[16:55:04] <twincest> i don't
[16:55:19] <cub> jbk: what does this mean
[16:55:20] <cub> spmadmin  8515  2465   0        - ?           0:00 <defunct>
[16:55:20] <cub> spmadmin  8514  2465   0        - ?           0:00 <defunct>
[16:55:28] <cub> <defunct>
[16:55:45] <jbk> means they're zombies
[16:55:49] <jbk> what is proces 2465?
[16:56:25] <cub>  root  2465     1   0   Oct 31 ?          65:20 /usr/apache/bin/httpd -DSSL -f /opt/SUNWscvw/conf/httpd.conf
[16:57:21] <jbk> so apache (or some module in apache) is forking processes and not reaping them
[16:58:14] <cub> i see
[16:58:23] <cub> i'll try to bounce that apache
[16:58:24] <cub> thanks
[16:58:39] <jbk> you can also do preap pid
[16:58:42] <jbk> on solaris 10 +
[16:58:55] <Cyrille> try to find out which service "spmadmin" is used for, that looks like a custom made user...
[16:59:56] <trygvis> Size required (726138880 bytes) is greater than available space (681986048 bytes).
[17:00:27] <trygvis> I'm trying to build sol 10 06/6 for sparc and I'm getting that errore .. are there CDs that are that big?
[17:02:35] <delewis> trygvis: man crle
[17:02:37] <delewis> er
[17:02:38] <delewis> cdrw
[17:02:53] <delewis> getting 4-letter commands that begin with a 'c' mixed up today.
[17:02:56] <trygvis> what am I looking for?
[17:03:36] <cub> thanks all
[17:03:55] <trygvis> but the image is 726138880 bytes
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[17:08:46] <PerterB> I don't have a 6/06 ISO to hand, but fwiw the nevada b51a sparc iso is about 667M
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[17:10:36] <gdamore> hi *
[17:10:43] <quasi> 6/06 is aroung 3G
[17:10:44] <jbk> morning
[17:10:51] <quasi> around
[17:11:14] <PerterB> quasi: uh, that would be the DVD image :)
[17:11:19] <gdamore> quick question: does nevada properly support the SATA controller found in the VIA chips?  (I.e. does it use it as SATA, or does it only drive it in PATA mode?)
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[17:12:39] <quasi> PerterB: possibly, yes ;)
[17:24:36] <cub> Question: with zfs on every new solaris 10 installation, do people use  SVM for boot mirroring anymore?
[17:24:54] <Error_404> you can't boot off zfs
[17:25:20] <twincest> (yet)
[17:25:23] <cub> ohhh
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[17:33:28] <PerterB> wheeeeeeeeee!
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[17:50:23] <cub> how do I save the partition label if it's currently mounted ?
[17:50:32] <cub> i made the change to swap partition
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[18:11:24] <trygvis> ifconfig: dmfe0: interface does not exist or cannot be managed using DHCP
[18:11:41] <trygvis> hmm.. how can I make sure that the interface is plumbed before the dhcp agent starts?
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[18:13:02] <jbk> umm touch /etc/dhcp.dmfe0
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[18:14:02] <trygvis> it's already there, which is how I'm getting the error in the first place
[18:14:28] <jbk> perhaps also touch /etc/hostname.dmfe0
[18:14:33] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ttSnal78.html
[18:15:11] <trygvis> ok, I'll try that
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[18:17:00] <trygvis> it's better, it got the correct IP, but the hostname is still "unknown"
[18:17:25] <jbk> what's in /etc/nodename?
[18:17:41] <trygvis> james.domain.no
[18:18:10] <jbk> hmm
[18:18:19] <jbk> try adding that to /etc/hostname.dmfe0
[18:18:32] <trygvis> you sure? it's not in /etc/hosts
[18:18:37] <twincest> remote 12 from the end of /etc/default/dhcpagent
[18:18:41] <twincest> s/remote/remove
[18:18:46] <jbk> (you'll obviously need to reboot to test the changes)
[18:18:55] <trygvis> the dhcp server also returns "james"
[18:19:51] <trygvis> yah, I'm rebooting all the time now :)
[18:42:44] <Vanuatoo> what is the command to find how much memory I have?
[18:43:53] <razrX> prtconf | grep Memory
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[18:57:07] <drio> Hi everybody.. I was wondering it this problem sounds familiar to anyone:
[18:57:16] <drio> http://www.is04607.com/solaris.txt
[18:58:14] <wilbury> possibly: reverse dns, xauth problem
[18:58:19] <drio> no.. I tried that already
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[18:58:27] <wilbury> homes are nfs mounted ?
[18:58:36] <drio> yes
[18:58:41] <drio> I think so.. let me confirm..
[18:59:09] <drio> ah no....... it is a local disk
[18:59:36] <PerterB> if you are using ssh to tunnel X11, and the .Xauthority file is not writable by the user, you will get a timeout while sshd spawns xauth which sits for a while trying to lock it
[19:00:05] <drio> I am not using X11 tunnel...
[19:00:30] <drio> The ssh connection seems fine.. the problems is when we fork the bash process and this one reads the configuration file..
[19:00:34] <drio> it gets stucked
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[19:01:33] <drio> How come even sending a signal to bash doesn't kill the process?
[19:01:39] <drio> and with tcsh works..
[19:01:50] <drio> you can ctrlc and then you get the shell prompt.
[19:01:51] <drio> argc..
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[19:08:29] <drio> The sysadmin has told me something that may be helpful here:
[19:08:44] <drio> as I said, there are two machines running the same version of the os and with the same hardware..
[19:08:52] <drio> one of them works fine (the ssh connection is fine)
[19:09:05] <drio> and we have the problem with the other one..
[19:09:08] <drio> apparently..
[19:09:10] <drio> this machine..
[19:09:22] <drio> has a couple of nfs shared mounted from another machine (the other solaris10 machine)
[19:09:31] <drio> the sysadmin told me that if he umounts the shares..
[19:09:36] <cub> after patching, I get these entries in df -k
[19:09:39] <cub> /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1
[19:09:46] <cub> is this normal ?
[19:09:51] <cub> and shoudl I get rid of it ?
[19:10:00] <drio> then the ssh problem disappears
[19:10:07] <cub> /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1
[19:10:08] <cub>                        110G   3.4G   105G     4%    /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr.so.1
[19:10:08] <cub> /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1
[19:10:08] <cub>                        110G   3.4G   105G     4%    /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr.so.1
[19:10:17] <g4lt-U60> it's be amusing if you did.  prolly make your system unbootable
[19:11:16] <cub> g4lt-U60: so that's normal then
[19:11:49] <g4lt-U60> I wouldn't sayNORMAL for them to be consuming so many resources, but those files are definitely required
[19:12:19] <cub> never saw them before
[19:13:33] <twincest> they're not really consuming that much space, it uses the figures from the fs the file is in
[19:14:04] <gdamore> hmm... intersting bit in the xargs code... it looks like Sun (not POSIX version) allows arguments like "-E" with no suboption
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[20:13:15] <Fish-> hello
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[20:42:10] <quasi> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/10/sun_stpaul_blade/ - elReg are getting slow
[20:46:28] <twincest> Due to a change requested by xxxxx at sun dot com,
[20:46:28] <twincest> xxxxx at sun dot com is now the responsible engineer for:
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[21:03:37] <twincest> hmm, gisburn's never around when you actually _want_ to talk about ksh93
[21:03:44] <twincest> i'm sure there's a word for that
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[21:05:18] <quasi> twincest: bliss?
[21:05:45] <lasseoe> haha
[21:14:29] <icon> afternoon all
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[21:55:49] <Tpenta> !seen stevel
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[21:55:53] <Drone> stevel is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Wed 08 Nov 2006 08:32 GMT, saying 'richlowe: hehe'.
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[22:21:35] <pikapika> hello
[22:21:43] <jamesd> hello
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[22:23:32] <Tpenta> good morning glynn
[22:24:38] <Gman> hiya
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[22:36:42] <Gman> hi laca
[22:36:46] <hell`> can anyone tell me if i install solaris SXCR will it overwrite the MBR
[22:36:55] <hell`> or does it install to its own fdisk partition and not mess with MBR?
[22:36:56] <laca> morning Gman
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[22:40:46] <agliodbs> hey, anyone have a link for the OpenSolaris on Parallels stuff?
[22:40:51] <agliodbs> I can't seem to google it
[22:41:39] <g4lt-U60> hell`, I think the installer wants c0t0d0s1 still for /tmp and swap
[22:41:48] <g4lt-U60> +still
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[22:42:31] <hell`> hmm
[22:42:57] <hell`> this work laptop has pointsec encryption for the HD and i have been reading if you touch the MBR it fucks the whole thing up
[22:43:05] <hell`> so i think it will work if it doesnt touch the mbr
[22:43:22] <hell`> as long as i use a separate boot device like a usb drive
[22:44:11] <quasi> hell`: I've heard the same, but resizing partitions might break things as well
[22:44:25] <hell`> i reized my partition already and no problems
[22:45:19] <quasi> then you're probably fine
[22:45:35] <hell`> not if the solaris installs grub to the mbr
[22:46:04] <quasi> nah, then you lose your disk
[22:46:19] <dwc-> one would think that they'd lock mbr writes in the bios if that's a "feature"
[22:46:48] <quasi> dwc-: but they don't - pointsec is sw junk
[22:47:11] <dwc-> I'm afraid I've not heard of pointsec before
[22:47:23] <dwc-> it seems silly to implement it only in software
[22:47:24] <quasi> hell`: maybe you could boot on a livecd and backup your mbr
[22:47:47] <quasi> dwc-: it also slows down disk access significantly
[22:47:54] <hell`> maybe
[22:48:07] <hell`> if i can just get it to install without touching the mbr i'd be fine
[22:48:25] <dwc-> can you just turn it off?
[22:48:42] <hell`> i can uninstall pointsec but that takes about 10 hours
[22:48:47] <hell`> to decrypt
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[22:53:58] <dwc-> I'd go with quasi's solution in the short term
[22:54:03] <dwc-> and uninstalling it overnight sometime
[22:55:29] <hell`> backup the mbr?
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[23:15:23] <Auralis> http://projects.info-pull.com/mokb/MOKB-04-11-2006.html
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[23:33:35] <gisburn> Hi!
[23:34:33] <Error_404> ahoy!
[23:42:25] <gisburn> Error_404: arrrrrArrrrrr... where is the whale, the white whale.... arrrrr.... who took my leg ?
[23:42:39] <gisburn> One gold coin to kills the white whale!
[23:42:48] <gisburn> s/to/who/
[23:42:52] * gisburn curses his typos
[23:44:24] <Error_404> o_O
[23:44:41] <quasi> gisburn: http://funnysign.com/funnysign_067.htm ;)
[23:45:23] <gisburn> nice
[23:48:03] <gisburn> quasi: It's good that http://funnysign.com/funnysign/078_triple_feature.jpg doesn't have the lines in reverse order
[23:48:44] * gisburn sends http://funnysign.com/funnysign/081college.jpg to his laser printer in the meantime.
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[23:50:57] <quasi> the arrows should probably have been pointing the same way ;)
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[23:53:48] <gisburn> http://funnysign.com/funnysign/109_dont_shoot.jpg appears to be typical for the US.
[23:55:00] <gisburn> http://funnysign.com/funnysign/116_slow_children.jpg
[23:55:02] <gisburn> bah
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[23:57:43] <gisburn> http://funnysign.com/funnysign/004_beware_of_children.jpg





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