[00:02:38] <boyd> I don't suppose anyone knows of an onnv-gate putback rss feed?
[00:03:35] <hspaans> bobbyz: ZFS 06/06 seems to work for me at the moment. haven't tested 11/06 yet
[00:05:11] * hspaans starts searching for a bumpersticker with the line "I don't stop for spammers"
[00:06:17] <sommerfeld> i want a "spammers just need killin'"
[00:07:34] <hspaans> *g*
[00:08:26] <bobbyz> hspaans: thanks
[00:08:59] <hspaans> bobbyz: keep in mind that raidz can't be upgraded to raidz2 in 11/06 as far as I know
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[00:09:19] <boyd> I don't think you'll be able to do that for some time, if at all
[00:10:21] <bobbyz> hspaans: That's good to know
[00:11:35] <hspaans> but zfs is my new best toy nowadays ;)
[00:14:44] <bobbyz> ZFS sounds amazing.  In fact it's the reason I'm trying out opensolaris in the first place.  Up until now I've been running linux for use as an openafs file server, but reading about ZFS has influenced me to migrate to solaris for use as openafs fileserver instead
[00:15:04] <boyd> Bah, that's it... planetsolaris is officially off my rotation. One too many spams from a non-solaris related business
[00:15:16] <Error_404> bobbyz: yeah, zfs is pretty cool
[00:15:42] <bobbyz> I love the expandability
[00:16:04] <bobbyz> or at least what I've read about the expandability.  I'll see how well it works in practice soon  :)
[00:16:26] <richlowe> boyd: it's not as if those same posts don't end up in the opensol feed.
[00:16:38] <richlowe> boyd: and there's the java gunk there, too.
[00:17:03] <Error_404> bobbyz: you mean being able to just chuck disks into a pool?
[00:17:12] <boyd> richlowe Hmm... I don't mind off-topic posts, but when it's been offtopic for like 6 months it's too much
[00:17:40] <bobbyz> Error_404: yeah.  If that really works, and openafs with the namei backend behaves well with it, I'll be in hog heaven
[00:17:44] <boyd> There's one or two interesting blogs in there... I'll just go direct
[00:17:56] <Error_404> bobbyz: it does really work.
[00:18:06] <richlowe> boyd: snag the OPML from opensolaris.org/os/blogs, and edit out the obvious feed(s) :)
[00:18:14] <bobbyz> Error_404: then I'm soon going to be in hog heaven  :)
[00:18:15] <Error_404> if you want to demo stuff, install opensolaris in vmware
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[00:18:29] <boyd> richlowe: Hmm... didn't know I could get that.. cool, thanks
[00:18:30] <Error_404> or find an extra machine with a few drives hanging off it
[00:18:59] <Error_404> or if you really want to cheapskate-demo, you can loopback mount files & use those as vdevs
[00:19:02] <bobbyz> yeah, vmware is a good idea.  Do they still offer free trials?
[00:19:02] <hspaans> bobbyz: btw there where/are some performance issues with zfs on x86 32 bits
[00:19:17] <boyd> richlowe: Hey, can I bounce something off you?
[00:19:20] <bobbyz> hspaans: how severe?
[00:19:57] <Error_404> i've never noticed slowdowns, fwiw
[00:20:38] <bobbyz> hmm ok
[00:20:41] <hspaans> bobbyz: see the zfs list for that. I only used it on US-IV and US-IV+
[00:20:52] <boyd> bobbyz: Most of vmwares products are free
[00:20:53] <bobbyz> hspaans: ok
[00:20:55] <boyd> (not ESX)
[00:20:58] <richlowe> boyd: you can try. :)
[00:21:11] <boyd> richlowe: I was having probs with name resolution in a labelled zone in TX (specifically the zone couldn't resolve it's own hostname). Turns out I had to add an entry to the global zone's /etc/hosts to make it work. I don't see how the GZ hosts gets involved. Am I dense?
[00:21:46] <richlowe> I don't know how/why that would happen either.
[00:22:03] <boyd> Ok, so I'm not completely stupid :)
[00:22:30] <boyd> I've asked on security-discuss but I wanted to sanity check
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[00:24:53] <Error_404> speaking of zfs, i ought to remedy my lack of disk space & redundancy fairly soon
[00:24:55] <Gman> hrm, apparently i'm error prone.
[00:24:58] * Gman spanks erast.
[00:28:07] <eboutilier> :)
[00:28:18] <eboutilier> Better not spank, you might miss.
[00:28:40] * hspaans thinks of a way to take an A5200 out of service without raising suspicion
[00:29:01] <Error_404> iron filings in the air intake ducts?
[00:30:07] <coffman> " without raising suspicion" ?
[00:30:38] <boyd> hspaans: IME... just wait a couple of weeks and it will take itself out
[00:31:04] <hspaans> boyd: Sun is coming every 3 weeks orso ;-)
[00:31:17] <Error_404> coffman: how's anyone to know it got iron filings in it?
[00:31:27] <Error_404> it just randomly starts sparking & then shuts off
[00:31:55] <hspaans> coffman: customer needs to pay for a new machine instead of this old raid-0 solution
[00:32:14] <coffman> hehe
[00:32:17] <hspaans> it was raid1, about 20 years ago orso
[00:32:27] <coffman> u mean killing it hu?
[00:32:37] <hspaans> fubar
[00:33:02] <hspaans> without raising suspicion ;-)
[00:33:54] * hspaans takes his dead chicken to work tomorrow
[00:35:45] <coffman> u could blow in with a hair-dryer :)
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[00:36:06] <Error_404> stick a pencil in the fan. as the fan dies, so too will the machine
[00:36:20] <coffman> (while its running)
[00:37:47] <Error_404> dclarke: ping
[00:37:53] <hspaans> hmmm
[00:39:29] <coffman> shity that this is fibre
[00:39:46] <coffman> with scsi u could put a hvd on lvd :)
[00:39:53] <coffman> *roast*
[00:40:30] <hspaans> so? I have access to high powered lasers from Nortel and Cisco ;-)
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[00:41:19] <Error_404> blast a space laser through it, anime style
[00:41:31] <hspaans> but they make little holes in your eyes
[00:42:16] <hspaans> anime style? ow nice ;-)
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[00:44:43] <Error_404> yes, the part of the anime where ${bad guy} fires his space laser
[00:44:50] <Error_404> you know it
[00:45:19] <hspaans> why do I have to think about DragonballZ?
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[00:55:17] <gisburn> where was protoype.c again located ?
[00:55:29] <gisburn> the one with the new and enhanched CDDL license ?
[00:58:32] <alanc> in ON, usr/src/prototypes/ has prototype.c - not sure which license version you mean
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[00:59:04] <gisburn> alanc: the current version of the cddl license.
[00:59:15] <gisburn> alanc: seems I accidently used an old copy.
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[01:01:29] <boyd> I assume you mean the current version of the license header
[01:02:13] <richlowe> Yeah.
[01:02:17] <sommerfeld> right, source files do not need their own copy of the CDDL, just a declaration that the file is covered by the CDDL
[01:02:30] <richlowe> gisburn: kill the "Version 1.0 only", join with the line after it.  repeat.
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[01:02:50] <richlowe> then fix the RFE calling for cddlchk to gain an option to update the header. :)
[01:03:48] <MikeE> question: if a local zone creates a shared mem segment, ipcs -Z can "see" it from the global. global should be able to attach to it then too right?
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[01:12:44] <boyd> richlowe: Well, I got a helpful answer in security-discuss. Let me quote the email in full: "ncsd"
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[01:20:41] <richlowe> boyd: yeah, I saw.
[01:21:05] * boyd waits for a zone copy before he collects more info
[01:21:24] <Tpenta> wooo, 2 more procs in the '80
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[01:38:49] <Error_404> '80 ?
[01:40:15] <Tpenta> ultra 80
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[01:50:29] <gisburn> !summon kupfer
[01:50:34] <gisburn> GmanAFK: ping!
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[01:51:36] <boyd> Hmm... changeset d58372be829d looks interesting... new sharemgr command, rather than edit /etc/dfs/dfstab
[01:51:51] <gisburn> umpf
[01:51:57] <gisburn> how usefull
[01:52:07] <Stric> boyd: isn't zfs the future anyway.. which has it too ;)
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[01:52:39] <gisburn> zfs turns out to be a severly disappointing.
[01:52:46] <boyd> Indeed... so it unifies them... also if you ever want to share a dir that is not a zfs filesystem of it's own....
[01:52:53] <boyd> gisburn: Oh you're such a wet blanket
[01:52:58] <gisburn> boyd: ?!
[01:53:36] <alanc> gisburn just has a hard time accepting that things not directly useful to him or his university may be useful to millions of others
[01:54:00] <boyd> wet blanket:  : (informal) someone who spoils the pleasure of others [syn: spoilsport, killjoy, party pooper]
[01:54:20] <gisburn> boyd: so far every university here in germany which played around with ZFS complained about various things. It's nice but lacks some practical features.
[01:54:47] <gisburn> sorry for posting the reality here
[01:54:59] <Stric> we don't want no stinking reality..
[01:55:18] <boyd> If I was to base my impressions solely on solaris mailinbg lists I'd suspect that in fact complaints about solaris features are the mail output of German universities :)
[01:55:32] <Error_404> heh
[01:55:33] <boyd> s/mail/main
[01:55:38] <alanc> and is there any file system which none of the universities found something to complain about?
[01:56:19] <Tpenta> roland, what you are stating is an opinion, to which you are completely entitled. There also happen to be a number of other opinions out there that don't match up to yours. Reality exists somewhere in between.
[01:56:48] <boyd> Tpenta: Rubbish... reality exists where *I* personally say it does :)
[01:56:53] <Stric> to quote mythbusters: I reject your reality and substitute my own :)
[01:57:08] <gisburn> alanc: VxFS, QFS, UFS on Solaris. They all support quotas and stable throughput (and other little nits).
[01:57:13] <mlh> who's roland?
[01:57:23] <boyd> mlh: roland==gisburn
[01:57:24] * Tpenta points at gisburn
[01:57:28] <alanc> really?  they liked UFS better than ZFS?
[01:57:35] <mlh> "Be reasonable, do it MY way"
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[01:57:50] <gisburn> Tpenta: the problem is that sun shot itself into the feet quite badly by releasing zfs too early IMO.
[01:57:53] <alanc> must be something in the beer in those german universities
[01:58:03] * gisburn shuts up.
[01:58:06] <gisburn> ;-(
[01:58:17] <Error_404> speaking of UFS, i don't suppose anything but solaris (net/open/freeBSD) can read solaris UFS, correct?
[01:58:23] <Tpenta> actually I think the problem is really that we started talking about it too early and then were under pressure to deliver it
[01:58:37] <alanc> most BSD's and Linux can read UFS - it's a simple varient of BSD FFS
[01:58:45] <Error_404> excellent.
[01:59:04] <gisburn> Tpenta: note that we're stuck with HP/UX and IBM since sun refused to implement practical features in their filesystems since years... ;-(
[01:59:06] <alanc> may not be able to roll the log if you shut down uncleanly
[01:59:14] <gisburn> Tpenta: (for NFS servers)
[01:59:25] <mlh> gisburn: example?
[01:59:33] <gisburn> mlh: group quotas
[01:59:38] <mlh> oh
[01:59:43] <gisburn> mlh: they are not perfect
[01:59:48] <gisburn> mlh: but usefull
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[02:00:03] <mlh> yeah, I can that they would be, not that I've ever used them
[02:00:12] <mlh> s/can/can see/
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[02:00:19] <gisburn> I know that a "newgrp othergroup" can bypass this but usually peiple play by the rules.
[02:00:20] <Tpenta> so place your group on it's own zfs filesystem and apply a quota to the fs, ... done.
[02:00:35] <alanc> cheer up gisburn: I did commit one of your RFE's today
[02:00:36] * boyd suspects that the requirements on filesystems  universities are actually quite different from those of corporate customers, and that Sun's focus has been on the latter
[02:00:38] <gisburn> Tpenta: so I have to create 80000 ZFS filesystems.
[02:00:49] <Stric> watch df scroll :)
[02:00:55] <boyd> gisburn: ... and?
[02:00:56] <Tpenta> you have 80000 groups?
[02:00:57] <mlh> everythings different in Universities :-)
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[02:01:11] * Tpenta worked at a uni for 15 years.
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[02:01:38] <boyd> Tpenta: I suspect you'd want a 2 tier system... groups over users so you can enforce group and used quotas
[02:01:43] * Stric works at uni too and has a group for each class
[02:01:44] <gisburn> Tpenta: a very common setup is that each user has it's own group and then the project groups listed,e.g uid=gisburn, gid=gisburn,ksh93,marquis,kdedevel, ...
[02:01:45] <alanc> I thought Berkeley was big with only 30000 students
[02:01:46] <boyd> s/used/user
[02:02:24] <boyd> But there would be no need to enforce quotas on the per-user groups
[02:02:26] <Stric> alanc: that sounds very little.. our puny university (120k people in the town) has 20-25k students..
[02:02:28] <gisburn> alanc: we keep arround for older students and ex-students on request as long they#re actively used or bound to projects.
[02:02:55] <gisburn> alanc: which RFE ?
[02:03:22] <alanc> AUDIT: Wed Nov  1 16:14:19 2006: 20674 Xorg: client 3 connected from local host (uid 50758, pid 20680, zone 0)
[02:03:31] <gisburn> cool... :-)
[02:03:34] <gisburn> finally :-)
[02:03:34] <Tpenta> sounds to me like what you really need to do is to make a decision about what you really want to use groups for
[02:03:43] <alanc> (including uid/pid/etc. in X audit messages)
[02:03:44] <mlh> I tend to push the responsibility out to the users; you could have an fs per major group (1st year, 2nd year, ... postgrad, staff)
[02:04:07] <alanc> well, since I had to get that info anyway for the dtrace audit probes in the same function, it was easy to add it to the printf()
[02:04:17] <mlh> then if they run out I'd provide them with the disk usage stats so they could heavy the culprit
[02:04:32] <Stric> mlh: :)
[02:04:44] <boyd> I found that publishing something like "cd /export/home/students; du -s * | sort -rn | head" made the problem somewhat self-regulating
[02:04:51] <mlh> indeed
[02:05:17] <Stric> I give them well enough room for "serious" stuff, but too little for warezing ;) (like half a gig each or so)
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[02:05:44] <mlh> post-fixes like that have the additional value of allowing individuals/groups go way over their quota for a brief time
[02:06:02] 
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[02:06:12] <mlh> boo hiss
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[02:06:38] <Stric> rydis: we had ~30MB a year ago.. our Sun T3 wasn't that big :P
[02:07:06] <Stric> 9x36GB.. yay.
[02:07:20] <Stric> (-hotspare, -raid5, ...)
[02:08:19] <rydis> Stric: I think that is one of the reasons Lysator is so much more active than the other Swedish student computer societies. :)
[02:08:46] <Stric> rydis: had similar effect on ACC ;)
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[02:09:18] <Stric> oh well. /me heads to bed
[02:10:28] <gdamore> hi *
[02:10:58] <gdamore> i got spend the day buy a replacement car for my pathfinder that blew its 2nd transmission yesterday.
[02:11:04] * gdamore hates car shopping.
[02:11:21] <gdamore> so now i get to see about doing something useful on Solaris today
[02:12:15] <Tpenta> saw the psarc that don submitted foir you today gdamore
[02:12:32] <gdamore> yep.  there another for xargs on the way, too. :-)
[02:13:50] <gisburn> Tpenta: is kupfer around ?
[02:14:05] <Tpenta> !seen kupfer
[02:14:07] <Drone> kupfer (kupfer!i=kupfer@nat/sun/x-f72355ceab7909f5) was last seen in #opensolaris on Tue 31 Oct 2006 00:41 GMT, saying 'gisburn, sorry, "beats me" means "I have no idea"'.
[02:14:30] * gisburn sobs
[02:14:36] <Tpenta> think he left about half an hour ago (looking at an internal irc server)
[02:15:02] <gdamore> at least the last message wasn't :"gisburn beats me..."
[02:15:47] <Tpenta> :)
[02:15:57] <gdamore> surprisingly, Don sent me his phone number in case I need help with the case.  I don't expect to, but the courtesy and helpfulness is still very much appreciated.  Tpenta, please let him know that as well. :-)
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[02:16:46] <alanc> Don's a nice guy for a standards weenie 8-)
[02:16:57] <gdamore> heh.  :-)
[02:17:02] <Tpenta> :)
[02:18:05] <gdamore> so, i earlier found out that the last few days I've spent debugging cardbus problems were pointless, because the sources in nevada are _stale_.
[02:18:26] <gdamore> i.e. i tested a binary back in august, but the changes that were in the binary aren't in nevada.
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[02:28:26] <boyd> What's the psarc on xargs about?
[02:28:42] <boyd> parallel execution?
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[02:35:24] <alanc> wow, lots of psarc-ext cases coming through
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[02:40:54] <gdamore> alanc: this is a good thing.  more active community participation
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[02:41:33] <gdamore> boyd: sorry, I missed your mail.  the xargs psarc case basically takes the posix behavior for -E and makes it universal.
[02:42:12] <gdamore> the /usr/bin/id and /usr/bin/xargs cases were done by looking around in /usr/xpg[46]/bin and see what else we could simplify or bring to "ordinary" solaris
[02:42:57] <boyd> Ah. smallish tweaks then..
[02:43:03] <gdamore> very.
[02:43:37] <Tpenta> given sommerfeld's rant earlier in the year about the divergance of the xpg bins and the stuff in /usr/bin :-D
[02:44:38] <gdamore> yep.  convergence there is a good thing.
[02:46:39] <gdamore> there are some things, like /bin/tr, that could probably be converged as well, but for which the source is not open
[02:47:00] <movement> and tail (!)
[02:47:05] <movement> please contribute a tail gdamore ;)
[02:47:07] <gdamore> heh.
[02:47:17] <gdamore> take a look at netbsd's
[02:47:20] <alanc> I think tr is difficult due to different interpretations of []
[02:47:35] <movement> gdamore: yes, it's on my CFT list
[02:47:41] <delewis> yes, and more /usr/bin/tr has POSIX-compliance issues with certain sets of characters.
[02:48:01] <delewis> it'd take a bit for me to find the sets, but they are there.
[02:48:02] <hile_> i always use /usr/xpg4/bin/tr
[02:48:12] <gdamore> i always use /usr/xpg4/bin/*
[02:48:17] <delewis> hile_: I just put /usr/xpg4/bin in the front of my PATH, period.
[02:48:18] <delewis> :-)
[02:48:37] <gdamore> actually, xpg6 is in front of xpg4 in my path.
[02:48:54] <gdamore> i was surprised to learn that there were separate xpg4 and xpg6 directories.  it really didn't make much sense to me.
[02:49:03] <hile_> i've had issues with a couple things not playing happy if /usr/xpg4/bin was at the front
[02:49:14] <hile_> i think it was something with add_install_client a while back
[02:49:55] <gdamore> i've used add_install_client without event.
[02:50:28] <delewis> hile_: I haven't run into any issues, and I've been running the add_install_client on Solaris versions since FCS>
[02:50:42] <hile_> this was a while back
[02:50:58] <hile_> I'll reevaluate when I reinstall my box when the new one shows up
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[02:51:18] <hile_> really hope the UPS bastards deliver it early tomorrow instead of waiting until Friday
[02:51:20] <gdamore> tail in NetBSD has significant variation from the Solaris, at least if the man pages are to be believed
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[02:56:17] <boyd> gdamore: There are commands in xpg6 thanks to the later standard directly reversing the behaviour of the earlier standard in some cases... the ls -F switch rings a bell there
[02:56:34] <gdamore> yeah, its annoying.
[02:56:55] <gdamore> IMO, standards conformance should have been determined by an environment variable, rather than location in path.
[02:57:24] <gdamore> it would have reduced some of the ifdef garbage, and made the install image smaller.  but that's just me. :-)
[03:00:07] <clee> alanc: ping
[03:00:19] <alanc> clee: pong
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[03:19:30] <gisburn> Tpenta: ping!
[03:19:52] <gisburn> Tpenta: is there an example in OS/Net which delivers headers which are not checked by the "check:" target ?
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[03:48:22] <jafari> hostname.dmfe1
[03:48:36] <jafari> do anyone have solaris 11 express running NAT?
[03:50:06] <jamesd> i did very limited  nat
[03:50:12] <jamesd> just nat nothing else.
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[03:50:52] <jafari> i am having major problems getting mines to work
[03:50:55] <Error_404> nothing but nat ?
[03:50:59] <Error_404> (heh)
[03:52:14] <jafari> anyone feel like helping me getting mines up
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[03:54:39] <Error_404> it's a good thing this polaris checkout's taking longer than an hour
[03:54:58] <Error_404> i was worried there for a while
[04:02:38] <elektronkind> mines are an outlawed munition
[04:02:57] <Error_404> except in the US
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[04:04:03] <Error_404> where they don't go for that "international diplomacy" crap
[04:04:30] <elektronkind> it's overrated
[04:05:06] <elektronkind> I mean, how else are we supposed to placate our brutish, testoserone-driven urges
[04:07:03] <Error_404> nothing makes you feel like a man like ordering someone to firebomb a village full of innocents from beyond harm's reach
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[04:09:58] <elektronkind> we are the angry, red behemoth... trampling eloquence and moderation in our chaotic and indifferent lumbering. Yeah, we'll capture world peace for everyone... but then waterboard and ransom it.
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[04:10:25] <Error_404> lol
[04:12:00] * elektronkind realizes that for the past many weeks, he hasn't gotten a single patch report email from sunsolve
[04:12:22] <Error_404> maybe they're mad at you?
[04:12:37] <elektronkind> not out of the realm of possibility
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[04:13:10] <Error_404> heard a rumor you were fooling around with another patch database
[04:16:53] <elektronkind> honestly, that other one meant nothing to me
[04:17:15] * gisburn executes his brutish, testoterone-driven urges on elektronkind and rips his head off and drinks his blood...
[04:17:17] <alanc> sunsolve patch db broke
[04:17:20] <gisburn> tasty
[04:17:31] <alanc> no new patch releases for about 2 weeks
[04:17:32] <gisburn> *hicks*
[04:18:01] <gisburn> bleh
[04:18:08] <elektronkind> alanc: you mean "for the past 2 weeks" or "for the next 2 weeks" ???
[04:18:11] <alanc> someone should teach them about zfs 8-)
[04:18:27] <alanc> last I heard it should be up later this week
[04:18:50] <movement> it would be nice if sun could keep their /own/ services up indeed :/
[04:19:01] <elektronkind> something must be going around. Oracle's metalink site broke, too... but not for this long.
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[04:19:45] <alanc> the site should still be working for downloading patches - it was just the db for releasing new ones that died
[04:20:58] <alanc> ohh, new release of setxkbmap - version 1.0.3
[04:21:07] <alanc> something else for me to be behind on 8-)
[04:21:13] * gisburn wonders what gatekeepers will say when they realise that the OS/Net build employs the thai locale... :-)
[04:21:30] <alanc> "Can we get peanut sauce with that/"
[04:21:31] <alanc> ?
[04:21:42] <gisburn> nah
[04:22:54] <gisburn> erm
[04:23:09] <gisburn> alanc: you use bash on solaris in the xorg build ?
[04:23:13] * gisburn kicks alanc
[04:23:28] * gisburn growls
[04:23:47] * gisburn wonders whether he should file an ARC case to get alanc's head removed.
[04:23:54] <alanc> what other choice do I have? ksh88?
[04:24:01] <gisburn> mhhh
[04:24:02] <gisburn> ok
[04:24:03] <elektronkind> so, we're just a few machines away from being 100% solaris for umbc.edu's core infrastructure. http://www.umbc.edu/oit/sans/core/log/
[04:24:32] <alanc> can't use ksh93 until someone integrates it into Solaris
[04:25:39] <twincest> no patches for two weeks?  hope no-one finds any security issues..
[04:26:17] <gisburn> What about the priviledge extension via DRI drivers ?
[04:26:20] <gisburn> Oh... wait.
[04:26:24] <gisburn> DRI is only on Solaris 11.
[04:26:26] <gisburn> =:-)
[04:26:47] <alanc> for now
[04:26:51] <gisburn> ouch
[04:27:12] <alanc> S10U3 is almost out the door, and we're getting ready to start on S10u4
[04:27:13] <gisburn> alanc: I hope someone checks the drivers for buffer overflows etc. ...
[04:27:48] <alanc> the DRI ones?  that's an ON thing, so I don't know what they're doing
[04:32:12] * gisburn waits currently at zh_TW.EUC
[04:32:38] <elektronkind> the fact that there are multiple groups handing graphics a situation that came about by intention or by corporate politics?
[04:33:02] <gisburn> Tpenta: Just curious: Who filed the bug that a timezone file must not be called "ROC" (republic of china) ?
[04:36:48] <gisburn> "ROC timezone should be avoided for political reasons"
[04:37:57] <alanc> elektronkind: history and politics
[04:38:56] <alanc> gisburn: if your software contains any mention of the "Republic of China" it is banned in the PRC, so anyone who wanted to sell anything in mainland China needs that fix
[04:39:37] <alanc> they don't mind listing Taipei as a separate timezone, just not a separate country
[04:39:44] * boyd has no tolerance for that kind of intolerance :)
[04:40:16] <gisburn> alanc: why do they allow fedora then ?
[04:40:26] <alanc> do they?
[04:40:42] <alanc> rather, does Fedora say "Republic of China"?
[04:41:10] <gisburn> I guess yes since some mozilla clients access our site from china with redhat linux versions of gecko.
[04:41:32] <boyd> Of course, one could say redhat != fedora
[04:41:41] <gisburn> At least fedora comes with a "globe" program which cleary shows the ROC
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[04:42:13] <elektronkind> perhaps there's a special version that's sold in china
[04:42:45] <boyd> Maybe Red Flag linux claims to be RedHat
[04:42:52] <alanc> or maybe the PRC government has softened it's stance in the years since Sun got hit with that, though it seems doubtful
[04:43:16] <Triskelios> nah
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[04:43:49] <alanc> fedora knows about the problem though - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages#head-2ae52dbef2515e18d66fba220112c712c9d2eb14
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[04:51:39] <boyd> Geez, we haven't had decent rain for like 3 years, and just as I reach for the door handle to go outside....
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[04:53:15] <boyd> Hmm... now that's a distinct front: http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.shtml
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[05:01:33] <error_404> not precisely sure how i manage to do this all the time
[05:03:03] <boyd> What, lose your Cap?
[05:04:50] <error_404> destroy my machine
[05:05:03] <boyd> Ah. That's more serious :)
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[05:06:28] <Error_404> it's quite annoying tbh
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[05:09:02] <Error_404> let's see what fmd has to say for itself
[05:09:30] <Error_404> Jan 03 20:11:52.0950 62c7f832-5e1e-4072-ef4a-96a3c78be91e ZFS-8000-CS
[05:09:39] <Error_404> good, a random string of characters
[05:09:49] <Error_404> hmm... zpool fault
[05:10:11] <Error_404> odd, the pool is doing fine, so says zpool
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[05:17:49] <boyd> Error_404: Nothing else before that in messages?
[05:17:57] <boyd> http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-CS
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[05:18:17] <Error_404> yeah, i saw that
[05:18:24] <Error_404> but my zpool is fine
[05:18:29] <boyd> You might like to run a scrub
[05:18:32] <Error_404> online, no checksum errors
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[05:20:03] <Error_404> hmm... /var/fm/fmd/errlog isn't human readable
[05:20:09] <boyd> fmdump -e
[05:20:21] <boyd> you might like -v too
[05:20:46] <Error_404> oh, that zfs fault is an old message
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[05:54:09] <sahafeez> yes! i have an u80 w/2 elite3d cards - up and running in X with 2 monitors and xinerama working! woot! this is with xorg under linux but it speaks well of getting of of xsun to xorg
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[05:54:38] <Capricorn^80> hi ! i m facing problem in accessing a library. Need help how to make it working . Problem is ld.so.1: ns: fatal: libtk8.4.so: open failed: No such file or directory killed
[06:02:26] <boyd> Did you install libtk yourself?
[06:05:33] <Capricorn^80> yes . its in /usr/local/bin
[06:06:40] <Error_404> dear sun: please to sending me a x4100 please
[06:06:47] <Error_404> my computer is unsupported and crap
[06:07:55] <Error_404> i'd pay for one, but i'm a student
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[06:48:08] <Capricorn^80> <Capricorn^80> got into a big trouble . i use command crle -l /usr/local to add library which was giving me error . but now nothing is working . no command etc
[06:48:08] <Capricorn^80> <Capricorn^80> giving me libraries error
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[06:52:48] <gisburn> g'night
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[07:28:57] <Error_404> dclarke: awake?
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[07:57:11] <boyd> Anyone happen to know what drivers support MDT?
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[08:00:31] <yakov> hi
[08:01:10] <yakov> Error_404, you were wrong esterday - there's no need (for starters) to touch /reconfigure if HDD is moved to another box
[08:01:37] <Error_404> not if the hardware config is exactly the same, no
[08:01:58] <yakov> simply /devices/pciXXX/pci-ideXXX/<this main master dist> and corresponding /dev/ entries
[08:01:59] <Error_404> but it's safe to do anyways, and it can solve some weird problems before they start
[08:02:05] <yakov> *must * be changed ;)
[08:02:14] <yakov> yep Error_404 it's safe ofcourse
[08:02:25] <yakov> but my boot even can't mount /
[08:02:59] <yakov> so reconfigure wasn't done. but when i'm using failsafe boot fixed link
[08:03:11] <yakov> and selected normal boot i was able to do 'drvconfig'
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[08:03:53] <yakov> solaris is awesom! on my laptop it boots in 1 min :)
[08:06:08] <trygvis> weee
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[08:14:02] <Error_404> now i own a domain name
[08:14:03] <Error_404> yay me
[08:14:30] <Error_404> now i need to figgure out how BIND works
[08:14:34] <elektronkind> error404.state.canada.us ?
[08:14:41] <Error_404> elektronkind: not exactly
[08:14:50] <Error_404> scribeon.com actually
[08:15:23] <elektronkind> congrats
[08:16:17] * yakov congrats Error_404
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[08:18:39] <Error_404> now, i need to find a basic BIND config
[08:21:50] <g4lt-U60> I thought you already had goats.uk
[08:22:28] <asyd> \_o<
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[08:28:43] <Error_404> g4lt-U60: yeah, christmas island kicked me off
[08:30:41] <g4lt-U60> you know, a UKer could set up a pretty interesting side business reselling *s.uk domains
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[08:32:54] <boyd> jmcp: Howdy, how goes?
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[08:35:35] <yakov> guys, what's the best community online resource 'bout solaris? forum/info well you knwo
[08:35:40] <yakov> ?
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[08:37:45] <EdLin> yakov: I noticed some forums somewhere on sun.com.... there's also opensolaris.org
[08:38:06] <EdLin> yakov: other resources exist, bigadmin
[08:38:11] <EdLin> which is also on sun.com
[08:40:32] <yakov> thx. darn, qt3 couldn't build on sol10 using solaris-g++
[08:40:46] <yakov> very strange indeed.
[08:41:39] <chain-lightning> Ok, I'm confused; I'm trying to find the on source tar file (which I assume would be on-src-20061030.tar.bz2 for build 50?); I've looked on the genunix.org download page and http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ but I don't see it, or any file named on-src-$DATE.tar.bz2
[08:42:57] <yakov> http://www.genunix.org/mirror/index.html?
[08:43:30] <chain-lightning> No; there's closed binaries there, but no on-src
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[08:50:07] <IvanR_> chain-lightning: I think stevel changed the delivery, and now just pushes out the on-src tarball for the bi-weekly builds.
[08:50:37] <chain-lightning> Everything on http://dl.sun.com/torrents dates from august 14th.
[08:51:05] <chain-lightning> IvanR_ so if I get the BFU archive, would it include the source then?
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[08:51:21] <chain-lightning> or would I need to download the SE cd/dvds?
[08:52:50] <yakov> chain-lightning, AFAIR in order to build you definitely need latest SE
[08:53:05] <IvanR_> No, BFU is just binary bits.  You could grab on-src-b51, then use mercurial to grab the changes since b51 closed.
[08:56:42] <chain-lightning> sorry to be thick, but on-src-b51 would be available with the bi-weekly builds...somewhere seperate from the genunix and sun download pages (meaning, a different page than where the closed binaries and bfu are downloaded from)?
[08:57:04] <IvanR_> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b51/
[08:57:27] <chain-lightning> ah, great; thank you!
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[08:59:11] <IvanR_> 20061030 would be the date the b52 gate closed, but b52 isn't officially delivered until 11/06.
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[09:01:04] <yakov> IvanR_, if u can't get the tarball m.b. it isn't good idea to have fun with opensolaris? ;)
[09:02:37] <yakov> IvanR_, sorry, chain-lightning it was for you..
[09:04:48] <chain-lightning> Well, I don't know how well I'll be able to compile b51 with binaries from oct 30...;) But once I get everything from b51 it should all be alright. And now I know where to look :)
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[09:08:41] <Fish> hello
[09:10:13] <Gman> anyone seen any niagara2 yet? [http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/q1_and_do_operating_systems]
[09:10:16] <Error_404> i s'pose i won't know if this bind config took for another day or so?
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[09:12:16] <yakov> who has experience with sun laptops on niagara? do they get warm
[09:12:17] <yakov> ?
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[09:22:24] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:22:44] <Symmetria> can anyone check and see if they have a /etc/init.d/cc-ccragent
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[09:24:34] <coolvibe> good morning everyone
[09:29:25] <nightswim> o/
[09:29:49] <coolvibe> hey man
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[09:30:03] <coolvibe> grmbl, why do I always make /opt too small :P
[09:30:22] <yakov_> :)
[09:30:41] <quasi_> coolvibe: use zfs for it and avoid the problem in the future
[09:30:49] <coolvibe> quasi_: I might :)
[09:31:20] <coolvibe> actually, that's not a half-bad idea to do now...
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[09:33:21] <quasi_> I just upped to 10u3beta and was going to do the same because I hit a similar problem ;)
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[09:36:55] <boyd> Anyone know why a bunch of cde-login bugs were last updated on Oct 14 2006. Some after sitting there since 1995ish
[09:37:36] <coolvibe> beats me :P
[09:38:04] * boyd should ask alanc or similar :)
[09:38:29] <coolvibe> *nods* :)
[09:40:38] <lplatypus> I want to try playing oblivion on solaris using wine.  Currently wine bombs out because it's missing code to detect CPU information for solaris. I see some functions in /usr/include/sys/x86_archext.h which look like they can tell me about the features of the running CPU.  Are they documented somewhere, or is there another way that I should use to get this information?
[09:41:01] <Triskelios> lplatypus: hey there
[09:41:14] <lplatypus> hi Triskelios!
[09:42:24] <Triskelios> haven't seen you in a while, how did the zfs stuff go?
[09:42:52] <Symmetria> anyone know what this means:
[09:42:53] <Symmetria> unhandled exception: Shared CNS CCR lacks required properties: cns.security.privatekey, cns.transport.serverurlcns.assetid/cns.clientid
[09:42:53] <Symmetria> proxy queue initialization failed
[09:42:54] <Triskelios> I'm actually planning to get another intel box so I can test wine
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[09:47:56] <lplatypus> Triskelios: i haven't had much time for zfs on linux lately... it was getting a bit awkward to fit zpools with linux's model of filesystems being separate from volume managers
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[09:48:52] <moazamraja> re
[09:49:15] <moazamraja> anyone here running Solaris 10 on a dual core opteron?
[09:49:18] <lplatypus> there's been a bit direct3d work on wine lately... along with solaris good nvidia drivers, i suspect it shouldn't be too hard to get some games working
[09:49:25] <quasi> moazamraja: yes
[09:49:26] <asyd> moazamraja: lot of people, include me
[09:49:30] <asyd> hello quasi
[09:49:33] <quasi> hey asyd
[09:49:34] <moazamraja> what does mpstat report back?
[09:50:15] <coolvibe> hm, what package provides stuff like make and nm in /usr/css/bin
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[09:50:29] <Triskelios> lplatypus: yeah, seems you'd need something completely parallel to the vfs layer
[09:50:43] <coolvibe> SUNWbtools?
[09:50:46] <boyd> Symmetria: http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/sunmanagers/2006-October.txt search for CNS
[09:51:43] <moazamraja> quasi/asyd: what kind info does 'mpstat' report back on dualcore opteron/
[09:51:44] <moazamraja> ?
[09:51:50] <moazamraja> 2 lines, right?
[09:52:09] <asyd> sure
[09:52:18] <moazamraja> ok
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[09:52:23] <coolvibe> moazamraja: yep, 2 lines
[09:53:12] <coolvibe> at least for my dual cpu e450 it does report that
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[09:53:44] <moazamraja> i'm just waiting for the opteron 180/185 prices to come down a bit :)
[09:53:45] <quasi> moazamraja: seen as 2 procs - dual proc, dual core amd shows up as 4 procs
[09:53:46] <boyd> .. which is not the system that was asked about :) but yes, 2 cores == 2 lines
[09:53:59] <boyd> Hey jamesd
[09:54:01] <moazamraja> then i'll upgrade the x2100 to dual core finally
[09:54:10] <quasi> moazamraja: the 8xx series dropped quite a bit in price
[09:54:36] <quasi> moazamraja: dump the x2100 and get a new x2100M2 ;)
[09:54:45] <moazamraja> x2100 will only take 1xx cpus
[09:54:57] <moazamraja> what does the X2100m2 give me that is so much better?
[09:55:23] <quasi> new rev F procs, ddr2 and a decent lom
[09:55:29] <jamesd> faster ram  its uses the newer technology
[09:55:34] * coolvibe is loving his core duo cpu in his laptop
[09:55:36] <moazamraja> the lom blows tho :/
[09:55:38] <jamesd> hi all...
[09:55:46] <coolvibe> I have to try solaris on that
[09:55:48] <moazamraja> does the x2100M2 support more than 4GB RAM?
[09:55:59] <jamesd> yes i beleve so
[09:56:17] <quasi> moazamraja: up to 64G
[09:56:25] <moazamraja> ooooh, now that makes it useful
[09:56:32] <moazamraja> i use up RAM... a lot
[09:56:36] <moazamraja> but not much CPU
[09:56:46] <quasi> or is it 32 ... the x2200M2 is 64 at least
[09:56:52] <moazamraja> i'm checking now
[09:57:29] <moazamraja> son of a bit....
[09:57:38] <moazamraja> even the regular X2100 now does 8GB RAM
[09:57:41] <moazamraja> argggh
[09:57:41] <jamesd> and they are all dual core if i remember.. and a lot cheaper
[09:57:49] <moazamraja> M2 only goes up to 8GB also
[09:58:07] <moazamraja> mine only goes to 4GB, sux
[09:58:14] <Triskelios> lplatypus: how does wine get the caps in linux? reading /proc? BrandZ lx stuff is the only place I see it exposed...
[09:58:31] <hali> moazamraja: i think all of them go to 8Gb... you may need a bios upgrade... sun recently "certified" 2Gb dimms
[09:58:40] <moazamraja> oooh....
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[09:59:24] <quasi> moazamraja: take a single proc x2200 then - that'll let you stick in 32G
[10:00:04] <quasi> and it isn't that much more expensive than an x2100M2
[10:00:29] <hali> the x2100 is _cheap_ if you haggle a bit and buy in bulk
[10:00:31] <hali> cheap as chips
[10:00:34] <moazamraja> if the online store wasnt so damn slow :)
[10:00:39] <moazamraja> i bought the x2100 *very* cheap ;)
[10:00:47] <moazamraja> sun employee discount and all that
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[10:01:11] <moazamraja> <-- not employee of sun anymore tho
[10:01:32] <moazamraja> my lord...the store is damn near dead
[10:01:51] <hali> i know, they run it on t2000s so it doesn't scale very well
[10:02:02] <quasi> yeah, it does get rather slow - it must be the t2000s killing it
[10:02:03] <moazamraja> :/
[10:02:10] <moazamraja> i dont think its a hardware problem
[10:02:18] <moazamraja> some shitty software they're using
[10:02:34] <quasi> yeah, all that java cr@p ;)
[10:02:38] <moazamraja> hrmpf
[10:02:44] <moazamraja> nope, not that either
[10:02:55] <moazamraja> some 3rd party e-commerce bullcrap
[10:02:59] <quasi> ah
[10:03:19] <quasi> not very impressive to say it mildly
[10:03:59] <lplatypus> on the apple and dell websites i can customize a system quite a bit, getting quotes for different configurations... i wish the sun website let me do that too
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[10:06:35] <lplatypus> Triskelios: yeah wine reads /proc/cpuinfo on linux... there's different code for netbsd, freebsd, macosx
[10:07:30] <lplatypus> I thought that the cpuid instruction was available to userland apps, and could furnish all this info
[10:08:00] <Triskelios> I think it may need to be in ring 0
[10:08:42] <jamesd> older cpus dont have it, so it may be easier just to read os resources if availible
[10:09:23] <lplatypus> okay.  i see also that solaris has a device called /dev/cpu/self/cpuid documented here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-5177/6mbbc4g4c?q=x86_archext.h&a=view
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[10:12:22] <Triskelios> lplatypus: perfect
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[10:13:50] <Error_404> obviously i have no idea what i'm doing :(
[10:14:11] <Triskelios> "Like the cpuid instruction, no special privileges are required to use the device." wait, so cpuid doesn't require ring 0 then? that would explain the call in wine for FreeBSD...
[10:14:52] * Gr|ffous yawns
[10:15:16] <Gr|ffous> what's all this about the LOM with sun boxes being crap.
[10:15:39] <Gr|ffous> Is it crap by Sun standards, or by industry standards. I rely quite a bit on LOM, but haven't use SUN kit yet
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[10:15:53] <moazamraja> the x64 lom on x2100 is crap
[10:16:04] <moazamraja> compared to real Sun LOM
[10:16:09] <moazamraja> real Sun LOM is a dream to work with
[10:16:12] <moazamraja> it just works perfectly
[10:16:14] <quasi> moazamraja: it gets better with the M2
[10:16:35] <Gr|ffous> so they aren't using a standardised LOM chip/card then?
[10:16:52] <moazamraja> x2200 M2 looks damn good...might upgrade to that eventually instead of trying to upgrade the x2100 cpu on my own
[10:16:56] <yakov_> moazamraja, wtf LOM?
[10:17:15] <moazamraja> Gr|ffous: they are using IPMI 2.0 on the X2100/M2 box
[10:17:18] <moazamraja> lights out management
[10:17:40] <Gr|ffous> It's just a shame about the sun disk options in their x86-64 stuff
[10:17:47] <moazamraja> ?
[10:17:55] <moazamraja> sata and sas
[10:17:57] <moazamraja> nothing wrong with that
[10:18:04] <quasi> moazamraja: I think it is worth it - the x2200M2 isn't that much more expensive than the x2100 when you buy the x2200 with one proc
[10:18:04] <Gr|ffous> In our most recent server purchase we eventually had to give up on SUN kit
[10:18:13] <moazamraja> Gr|ffous: y ?
[10:18:20] <quasi> Gr|ffous: why?
[10:18:26] <Gr|ffous> moazamraja, the medium no - I agree. The Raid <lack-of> options however...
[10:18:37] <andersmo> yakov_: Lights out management, god's gift to the sysadmin. Let's you do pretty much everything (like powercycling, etc) except juggle cds and yank cables without walking down to the server room.
[10:18:42] <moazamraja> you want a hardware raid controller built into the box?
[10:18:55] <Gr|ffous> I needed raid 10
[10:19:04] <moazamraja> *inside* the box?
[10:19:08] <Gr|ffous> I would have even considered raid5 in a pinch, but they can't do that either
[10:19:09] <Gr|ffous> yes.
[10:19:10] <quasi> moazamraja: there is that (even if it is a cr@p controller)
[10:19:16] <moazamraja> why not get raid 10 on a external enclosure then
[10:19:21] <lplatypus> Triskelios: yeah that freebsd code uses inline asm, no external dependencies... i guess it should just work for solaris too
[10:19:21] <Gr|ffous> cost
[10:19:32] <moazamraja> hm
[10:19:36] <Gr|ffous> that, and SUN/VMware wouldn't support it/me
[10:19:37] <moazamraja> we use external at my gig
[10:19:42] <moazamraja> netapp and apple enclosures
[10:20:10] <quasi> moazamraja: odd that you say the store is slow - today it seems to be flying!
[10:20:15] <moazamraja> the netapp stuff is stock solid
[10:20:22] <Gr|ffous> I tried for an external JBOD, but it wasn't supported either :/
[10:20:22] <moazamraja> quasi: it JUST start flying!!!
[10:20:27] <moazamraja> i kid you knot
[10:20:29] <Gr|ffous> We had to buy IBM in the end
[10:20:31] <moazamraja> not even
[10:20:43] <quasi> Gr|ffous: poor you ;)
[10:20:52] <moazamraja> how is an external jbod not supported?
[10:20:55] <Gr|ffous> yeah, I was really bummed out
[10:21:10] <quasi> Gr|ffous: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/27/sun_ibm_solarisblade/ ;)
[10:21:15] <Gr|ffous> moazamraja, it's not a supported VMware configuration - and that's what these boxes were for
[10:21:32] * Gr|ffous suspects that quasi is stirring, but clicks anyway
[10:21:46] <moazamraja> quasi: it's almost as if someone at Sun saw us complaining on IRC and went and fixed the store.sun.com site!
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[10:23:53] <quasi> moazamraja: possibly
[10:24:01] <Gr|ffous> good link quasi, thanks
[10:24:14] <Gr|ffous> what OS will run on IBM's Cell chips?
[10:24:32] <Gr|ffous> AIX?
[10:24:39] <yakov_> thx andersmo
[10:25:23] <lplatypus> yellowdog linux has been announced for sony playstation 3's which use Cell
[10:27:41] <Gr|ffous> I guess I'm more thinking for their blade centres. They do have a pretty bad-ass selection of CPUs to use, and their OS list isn't too shabby etheir. Especially with Solaris added to the list
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[10:29:27] <moazamraja> heh, store.sun.com is back to being slow again...
[10:29:29] <moazamraja> well, i'm off to sleep
[10:29:30] <moazamraja> l8rs
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[10:31:46] <raph_ael> hello
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[10:33:51] <coolvibe> grrrr, damn linux
[10:34:07] <quasi> coolvibe: switch to solaris then ;)
[10:35:10] <coolvibe> quasi: I would, but not on a desktop system
[10:36:42] <Gr|ffous> gah, I am so sick of the keys on my keyboard not working in solaris
[10:36:44] <coolvibe> I already run Solaris in places, and some BSD boxen. But I use linux for desktops
[10:37:14] <Gr|ffous> please, someone, I'm at my wits end. I just want F2 to work so that I can configure my zone. All I get is "OQ"... *cries*
[10:37:32] <Triskelios> lplatypus: mind CCing me if you send anything to wine-patches?
[10:38:53] <lplatypus> sure Triskelios
[10:39:10] <Triskelios> actually wait, I'm on wine-patches already
[10:39:31] <Triskelios> I can just search for anything from an optus address =P
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[11:31:39] <kimc> good morning
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[11:34:30] <jteo> re.
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[11:51:54] <kimc> looks like the iSCSI developers are very busy
[12:05:02] <jteo> mmm. quadcore.
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[12:09:46] <lasseoe> kimc, based on what?
[12:16:24] <kimc> busy conclusion based on recent postings to the storage-discuss list/forum
[12:18:01] <kimc> time to get rolling.. cu all
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[12:21:13] <SymmWork> heh
[12:21:24] <SymmWork> every single damn 2002 v6 hit Im getting
[12:21:25] <SymmWork> is vista
[12:21:28] <SymmWork> microsoft gonna cause chaos :(
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[12:46:28] <Gadzooks> ;
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[13:03:28] <boyd> What a fantastic nick that was
[13:03:58] <claudiush> you mean Gadzooks?
[13:04:04] <boyd> Yeah
[13:04:14] <claudiush> why?:)
[13:04:44] <boyd> Dunno... it's such an unlikely thing to say... like "criminy" or "dang"
[13:04:55] <boyd> .. or "egad"
[13:05:10] <boyd> Hey does anyone know of a web tool that monitors a given page and provides an RSS notification if it changes?
[13:07:53] <quasi> should be only a few lines of perl ;)
[13:08:08] <boyd> Yeah, but I don't want to have to host my own site for it...
[13:08:37] <quasi> ah, that way
[13:08:57] <boyd> Hmm.. this looks promising http://www.feedwhip.com/
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[13:20:22] * boyd sets up a feedwhip feed to monitor the flag-days page
[13:22:19] <jteo> boyd, you could just ask someone to add that feature. hmm. but that might end up breaking the web-app.
[13:22:35] <coolvibe> I like "humbug"
[13:22:53] <boyd> jteo: It's sad that I assume that the easiest thing to do is to work around the issue
[13:23:31] <boyd> coolvibe: ?
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[13:26:11] <coolvibe> boyd: "humbug" is also a word that almost nobody uses anymore
[13:26:33] <boyd> Oh, I see... I thought you were referring to the RSS thing :)
[13:27:03] <coolvibe> ah :)
[13:27:09] <coolvibe> confusion all around :P
[13:27:44] <boyd> Discombobulatory obfuscation forsooth!
[13:28:07] <coolvibe> by the way: http://users.tpg.com.au/adsln4yb/zones.html <-- handy!
[13:28:16] <coolvibe> also explains FSS and stuff
[13:28:46] <boyd> Indeed... brendan made a few errors.. but tis mostly good..
[13:29:02] <boyd> you want to use the www.brendangregg.com url to get there, though
[13:29:12] <coolvibe> ah, is there a fixed version of that online somewhere?
[13:29:20] <boyd> since the tpg thing will go away since he's moved overseas
[13:29:55] <coolvibe> because we're getting some t2000 boxes soon, and of course we want to load that thing chock full of zones :)
[13:29:59] <boyd> coolvibe: Not that I know of... little things, like the fact that the pools config is completely unecessary with FSS
[13:30:42] <boyd> .. since all he uses it for is setting the scheduler - which he's already done with dispadmin -d
[13:31:13] <coolvibe> aha
[13:31:38] * coolvibe also has been drooling over the black box
[13:31:47] <coolvibe> what a diabolically good idea
[13:32:02] <boyd> you probably want to make sure you've seen this too: http://learningsolaris.com/archives/2006/10/31/the-sun-blueprints-guide-to-solaris-containers/
[13:32:52] <coolvibe> neat!
[13:32:59] <coolvibe> bookmarked :)
[13:33:37] <jamesd> i wonder over time how many blackbox owners or canidates and hackers wiill end up at the  "blueprints-guide to containers" thinking its about blackbox
[13:34:10] <boyd> hehe
[13:34:38] <boyd> Typical sun.. have something called containers.. and something that uses containers, and they're not the same thing
[13:34:39] <coolvibe> lol
[13:36:32] <coolvibe> A physical container loaded with 250 t2000 machines and a shitload of disk can pack a lot of punch.
[13:39:12] <boyd> indeed... speaking o niagara things... I thought the last two paras of this are interesting reading... I'm not sure they should be public. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006103002/
[13:40:17] <coolvibe> hmm
[13:40:35] <coolvibe> dunno, I guess they're proud of what they built :)
[13:41:45] <jteo> sounds vaguely consistent with what i remember.
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[13:44:47] <quasi> that's the price of opening up solaris development - people will know about the hw much earlier
[13:45:14] <boyd> Indeed, but they've kept the OPL stuff much closer to their chests
[13:45:27] <jteo> OPL?
[13:45:34] <boyd> See what I mean
[13:45:35] <boyd> ?
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[13:46:02] <boyd> e.g. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/233/
[13:46:04] <quasi> I think Jonathan Schwartz said something about not being too happy about that aspect in that Hal Stearn podcast
[13:46:20] <boyd> quasi: not happy about the public HW exposure you mean?
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[13:46:55] <quasi> boyd: yeah
[13:47:12] <boyd> jteo: Just search for OPL on this page: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/
[13:49:12] <boyd> ... and in 2005
[13:49:52] <Azureus> I tried to download and build latest opensolaris from the mercurail repository by : hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[13:50:22] <Azureus> when I ran "nightly opensolaris.sh &" (after everything was installed) it yelled
[13:50:48] <boyd> jteo: Aha! http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006040801/
[13:51:31] <Azureus> because miising onbld under usr/src/tools/proto/opt
[13:51:48] <jteo> Azureus, you need SUNWonbld to build.
[13:51:52] <Azureus> so I copied the onbld  from /opt.
[13:52:10] <Azureus> jteo, I installed SUNWonbld from "current"
[13:52:22] <jteo> Azureus, sorry, i misread your first msg.
[13:52:34] <Azureus> jteo, it;s ok
[13:52:41] <Azureus> now two questions:
[13:52:57] * boyd goes to sleep
[13:53:02] <Azureus> is it correct to do what I did - copy the onbld from /opt
[13:53:13] <Azureus> to usr/src/tools/proto/opt ??
[13:53:14] <jteo> Azureus, i've never encountered that before.
[13:53:41] <dvorak> anyone familar with the performance of aio_read?  Is it likely to be faster than me rolling something to do the same thing myself with threads and a queue?
[13:53:45] <Azureus> did you try recently to download from hg repository and to build?
[13:54:00] <jteo> Azureus, i built 2 weeks ago.
[13:54:23] <Azureus> and is it near you ? can you please take a look under
[13:54:31] <Azureus> /usr/src/tools/proto
[13:54:42] <dvorak> this is for reading stuff from a udp socket
[13:54:45] <Azureus> to see if there is under it
[13:54:50] <Azureus> opt/onbld?
[13:55:31] <jteo> Azureus, yup i have that.
[13:56:11] <Azureus> strange.
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[13:57:57] <Azureus> i am looking for example at on-src-20061023.tar.bz2 and it is not there
[13:58:10] <Azureus> could it be that it is generated as part of
[13:58:29] <Azureus> running nightly opensolaris.sh & ?
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[14:09:00] <yakov> guys, does oracle distribute theirs 10g fee free?
[14:09:32] <yakov> i found download section on theirs site, but is it true?! that i can download and install it say at home
[14:09:37] <jamesd> you can download, it but they require you to buy a license before you use it in production.
[14:12:51] <yakov> so it's free for NC use?
[14:13:06] <yakov> eg educational (in my case)
[14:13:09] <lasseoe> I'm sure it says on the download page or in the license
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[15:20:15] <coolvibe> netsplit?
[15:20:49] <yakov> yeah
[15:21:19] <yakov> netquake
[15:21:40] <coolvibe> seems to happen a lot on freenode lately
[15:23:37] <yakov> migrate?
[15:25:23] <timeless> someone decided it'd be fun to do a ddos or similar against freenode
[15:28:22] <raph_ael> some really have time for nothing
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[15:39:51] <yakov> some wants his ass to be kicked..
[15:43:06] <timeless> does sun have any provisions for getting line number symbols for versions of snv that it ships?
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[15:52:51] <jteo> morn *
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[15:59:20] <cub> anybody has good experience on a stress test tool for website and oracle DB ?
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[16:01:36] <hile_> something you've grown that will simulate your workload.  you can't design/evaluate tools unless you can describe your workload
[16:01:59] <timeless> i ahve some good tools to stress os's and web browsers :)
[16:02:07] <timeless> ok, maybe s/stress/kill/
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[16:03:00] <timeless> cub: but what are you trying to do?
[16:03:07] <timeless> normally one would be comparing two things
[16:03:15] <timeless> or looking to ifnd out if something will fall over dead
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[16:04:49] <cub> timeless: management is getting pissed off because customers are getting pissed off with the database performance ... we're putting together a new RAC setup now, but they wanna know how better it's doing comparing to the existing setup
[16:05:03] <jteo> gotta love Oracle.
[16:06:10] <cub> we have screaming customers on the phone almost daily   :)
[16:06:22] <kFuQ> cub: http://www.acunetix.com/  <----- that will kick the shit outta ur gear
[16:06:27] <cub> put 'em on hold and let 'em enjoy the music
[16:07:12] <kFuQ> put em on hold with a 1Khz @ 1W/m tone
[16:07:17] <kFuQ> :-D
[16:07:37] <cub> kFuQ: that seems to be a security scanner
[16:07:49] <yakov> damn why safari closed for evaluation period?!
[16:07:56] <kFuQ> it'll give it a good stress test
[16:08:02] <yakov> guys anyone have solaris internals 2nd?
[16:08:12] <cub> i'm looking into jMeter now
[16:08:23] <cub> but not sure if jMeter can do DB stress testing
[16:08:36] <cub> it can tackle the websites that's for sure
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[16:17:46] <hile_> hey keiser
[16:18:10] <libkeiser> mornin
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[16:19:04] <hile_> How goes?
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[16:21:16] <elektronkind> so far, so good
[16:21:36] <jteo> ;)
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[16:40:26] <gdamore> hi all.
[16:40:57] <jteo> gdamore: hello. :)
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[16:43:31] <jteo> wb darrenm, delewis.
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[16:50:32] <hile_> morning delewis
[16:51:51] <delewis> morning, hile and jteo.
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[17:00:20] <darrenm> stevel: hey Steve do you have the mailman JavaScript thingy that helps with moderation ?
[17:00:49] <darrenm> stevel: or a way to "flush" all the non spam messages I caused into the archives (everyone is temporarily unsubscribed).
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[17:04:42] <stevel> darrenm: if they're all in moderation, you could just discard them all from the moderation queue?
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[17:04:56] <eboutilier> darrenm: I think this is what you're talking about...
[17:04:59] <eboutilier> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/website-discuss/2006-July/000696.html
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[17:05:24] <darrenm> stevel: is there a one click way to do that, I don't want to have to change Defer to Discard 800+ times
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[17:05:47] <stevel> darrenm: at the bottom of the mailman screen you can "discard all messages marked deferred"
[17:05:51] <eboutilier> whoops
[17:06:06] <darrenm> stevel: I don't see that option
[17:06:25] <darrenm> which screen is that on
[17:06:42] <stevel> huh
[17:06:53] <stevel> n/m. i guess this version of mailman doesn't have that
[17:07:14] <darrenm> can we get a version that doesn then please that is what I do 99.99% of the time.
[17:07:40] <stevel> yeah, garypen and i are going to rebuild the mailman machine soon
[17:07:46] <darrenm> cool
[17:07:49] <stevel> the version we will deploy has that option
[17:07:58] <jteo> ;)
[17:07:59] <stevel> but in the meantime, yeah - you can use the javascript that eboutilier pointed out above
[17:08:07] <darrenm> running now...
[17:08:11] <darrenm> seems to be taking a while
[17:08:30] <eboutilier> I'd have slashed my wrists long ago if it weren't for that javascript. :)
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[17:09:10] <darrenm> there are 850+ spam messages in the loficc list and it hasn't even been announced yet and no real traffic.
[17:09:24] <jteo> loficc?
[17:10:21] <oxygene> eboutilier: btw, thanks for all the promotion - makes me happy to see you as a happy user :)
[17:10:28] <eboutilier> darrenm: It shouldn't take a while to run, at least when I have like 20 msgs in the moderation Q, it  flips the check-box from deferred to discard on all of them instantaneously...
[17:10:31] <darrenm> lofi(7D) Crypto and Compression.
[17:10:43] <jteo> darrenm: ah k. thanks. :)
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[17:10:51] <eboutilier> oxygene: Sure. Thanks for the cool system.
[17:13:42] <darrenm> eboutilier: I must be doing something wrong.  I created a new bookmark with location set to the javascript in the message you pointed me to.  I then went to the moderation page and selected the bookmark.  Nothing happened, not even when I hit "Submit All Data"
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[17:15:22] <eboutilier> darrenm: Hmm, I remember having trouble too, but I don't remember why. Let me take a look at my setup...
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[17:17:23] <eboutilier> darrenm: Check to make sure your cut-n-paste isn't sticking in newlines and such...
[17:17:32] <darrenm> yep checked that
[17:18:15] <stevel> check your javascript console?
[17:18:40] <darrenm> missing ; somewhere
[17:18:41] <darrenm> ta
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[17:21:07] <eboutilier> darrenm: Did that fix it? (the missing ;)
[17:21:48] <cmantito> gotta quick question if anyone has a minute to help: I've got solaris 10 running, and when I try to connect with remote X (using Xnest), and login with CDE, it drops me back to the login screen.
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[17:22:11] <cmantito>  the java desktop environment works for the most part, but I'd rather be using CDE. CDE works locally, just not over remote X.
[17:22:18] <cmantito> anyone familiar with this at all by chance?
[17:23:00] <darrenm> stevel: yeah that works
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[17:24:25] <stevel> darrenm: i'm working on the changegroup hook now so hopefully we won't hit this anymore
[17:29:26] <darrenm> for (i=0;i<100; i++) printf("I must remember the difference between hg pull and hg pull -u\n");
[17:31:40] <quasi> darrenm: I think you even earned a trip to the blackboard with real chalk rather than an a printf ;)
[17:32:22] <darrenm> ah should have fd = fopen("/dev/blackboard", "a+"); then fprintf to that fd :-)
[17:32:34] <asyd> huhu
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[17:34:57] * quasi just wants zfs-crypto ... and a pony ;)
[17:35:02] <asyd> hehe
[17:35:09] <darrenm> quasi: help me write code then!
[17:35:10] * asyd just wants the girl
[17:35:33] <quasi> darrenm: my head still hurts from poking around in openssl years back
[17:35:44] <darrenm> yeah so does mine!
[17:35:57] <darrenm> I don't like the OpenSSL cstyle and find it very difficult to follow
[17:36:14] <darrenm> each to there own and all but that cstyle is just so alien to me it makes it hard to read.
[17:37:43] <darrenm> For me OpenSolaris has become so much more this week, now that I can host code on there and others can "bringover" (old teamware terminology will take even longer to get out of my head/prose that the cli will) from it - very happy bunny!
[17:37:51] <quasi> I can live with the style (and pipe it through indent at times to help), but the whole api is just so much more complicated than it needs to be
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[17:38:11] <darrenm> quasi: Good job we aren't using it then :-)
[17:38:31] <quasi> darrenm: and maybe you can get to release the code in time for october ;)
[17:39:12] * quasi was at the NLOSUG thingy last week
[17:40:05] <darrenm> cheeky bugger!
[17:40:13] <gdamore> darrenm: would you want to sponsor a PSARC case to EOF the old Sun-specific output of "id"?
[17:40:29] <asyd> quasi: you lived in .nk ?
[17:40:32] <asyd> nl even
[17:40:56] <quasi> asyd: I do for a little while longer - headed back to .dk soon
[17:41:06] <asyd> ok
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[17:43:56] <quasi> darrenm: at least I said something nice about zfs-crypto on my blog after listening to your presentation - http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/10/29/T23_42_41/index.html ;)
[17:45:21] <darrenm> quasi: can you explain the NLOSUG NOSUG joke then I knew there was a joke there but didn't understand it.
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[17:46:21] <quasi> darrenm: NO Solaris User Group
[17:46:37] <darrenm> doh wasn't even a Dutch joke!
[17:46:41] <quasi> no
[17:47:09] <quasi> at least I don't think so
[17:47:17] <darrenm> Didn't help that at the time I though he said DOSUG - Dutch OpenSolaris User Group
[17:47:33] <darrenm> so i wondered if that sounded rude in Dutch
[17:48:12] <darrenm> quasi: if you do start a DKOSUG I'm sure I could come and talk at it
[17:48:20] <elektronkind> really make them mad and say "Dutchland"
[17:48:31] <elektronkind> you'll probably get wooden shoes thrown at your head, though
[17:48:38] <quasi> darrenm: cool
[17:49:05] <quasi> darrenm: we are - http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/osug-dk/
[17:49:06] <darrenm> elektronkind: yeah that wouldn't be pc
[17:49:59] <quasi> Dutchland/deutschland - what's the difference?
[17:50:05] * quasi hides
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[17:54:42] <elektronkind> I wonder the same about DK and NO
[17:55:13] <quasi> well, .dk used to own most of .no, but we got tired of it and gave it back ;)
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[17:56:03] <rydis> And then Sweden did the same thing, except there was no-one to give it to, so they got independent. ;)
[17:56:05] <elektronkind> plus you guys had Grendel. All those norsks had were... trolls or gnomes or something
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[18:03:57] <elektronkind> so who here uses JET for jumpstarts and likes it?
[18:04:19] <elektronkind> I have my own home-grown collection of scripts but I'm curious about JET
[18:04:42] * quasi raises hand
[18:05:10] <quasi> http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/09/20/T23_43_37/index.html to be more precise
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[18:11:46] <Symmetria> lo all
[18:11:59] <Symmetria> *sigh* netapps sold the one product I liked to bluecoat
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[18:12:08] <Symmetria> and bluecoat now only offers their shitty version :(
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[18:59:02] <alanc> Symmetria: NetCache?
[19:00:24] <alanc> used to know most of the NetCache support team - now they're pretty much split between BlueCoat & Riverbed
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[19:30:01] <vspeed> hello could a noob look for questions here
[19:31:03] <quasi> you've already asked, haven't you? ;)
[19:31:18] <alanc> there you found a question!
[19:31:37] <timeless> fast service
[19:31:40] <alanc> finding answers may not be so easy though
[19:31:51] <alanc> but until you ask, we can't even try
[19:32:12] <quasi> alanc: your esp skills aren't worth much then ;)
[19:32:29] <vspeed> yah i downed an interface then brought it back up but no wcan no longer ping it When I reboo ti can ping again is there a way to avoid the reboot by restarting a service
[19:33:31] <quasi> vspeed: ifconfig <if> down or ifconfig <if> unplumb?
[19:33:45] <vspeed> uh unplumb
[19:33:55] <vspeed> yes I ran ifconfig down
[19:34:20] <vspeed> that went fine then I ran ifconfig up ran fine also brought it back up but now I can not ping that interface
[19:34:28] <quasi> if you unplumb, then you plumb, configure and up
[19:34:59] <vspeed> I di not unplumb I just ifconfig up
[19:35:18] <vspeed> oh I see the light
[19:36:03] <quasi> if it is at the end of the tunnel, then perhaps it is an oncoming train ;)
[19:36:13] <vspeed> okay so I had the corect command to down the interface the command to bring it back up was not complete I need to run unplumb to activate it again
[19:36:36] <vspeed> Right??
[19:36:39] <quasi> no
[19:36:56] <quasi> unplumb makes the interface disappear
[19:37:01] <vspeed> oh crap
[19:38:14] <quasi> well, you get it back with plumb
[19:41:17] <vspeed> okay I see when I do a unplumb it also removes the settings
[19:41:37] <vspeed> coolI can put the settings back in then I shoul dbe able to ping again
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[19:42:44] <vspeed> but I still do not understand why after bring the interface back up I lost the ability to ping the address. I was only able to ping the address after a reboot
[19:43:10] <vspeed> I was hoping I would not have to do something like that instead start and stop a service
[19:43:15] <quasi> sounds kind of odd
[19:43:46] <vspeed> i know sure does
[19:44:05] <mrdeviant> can you connect to the host at all? or just not ping it
[19:44:40] <vspeed> no I could not connect to the host on that interface I could on the secondary nic but not the primary
[19:45:00] <vspeed> no ability to ping the address
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[19:45:31] <vspeed> could not ssh in was odd but the re boot resolved it
[19:45:32] <mrdeviant> perhaps the routing table needed to be adjusted ?
[19:46:06] <quasi> if it happens again, I'd suggest noting ifconfig -a and netstat -rn before and after
[19:46:21] <vspeed> But when I actualy implement this server I would rather not have to reboot it
[19:46:21] <quasi> mrdeviant: yeah, sounds plausible
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[19:46:58] <vspeed> definatly
[19:47:27] <quasi> vspeed: then record ifconfig -a and netstat -rn, down and up the interface and do ifconfig -a and netstat -rn again
[19:47:33] <myrkraverk> can I create a bootanle installation on my usb disk with zfs?
[19:47:41] <vspeed> Well this was not as bad as I thought it would be friendly people with answers
[19:48:14] <Cybernd> myrkraverk nope
[19:48:15] <quasi> myrkraverk: bootable zfs is still "tricky"
[19:48:38] <myrkraverk> when is that expectd to change?
[19:49:20] <quasi> u5 maybe
[19:49:29] <myrkraverk> then, can I make an installation on it, and have the rest zfs (like a normal install) ?
[19:49:33] <myrkraverk> u5?
[19:50:59] <quasi> with luck, sometime next summer, but may not be for another year
[19:51:07] <myrkraverk> aww ;(
[19:51:32] <quasi> nothing is sure - other than it not being in the next release
[19:51:50] <myrkraverk> ok
[19:51:54] <sahafeez> question - what is the big deal about bootable zfs. i mean what do you get out of it. does your install really chagne that much
[19:52:39] <darrenm> sahafeez: ZFS as your root file system makes live upgrade really easy and very interesting
[19:52:47] <darrenm> one of the most time consuming parts of live upgrade is the copy
[19:52:49] <quasi> sahafeez: flexible admin of the whole disk - not having to use disksweat for root mirroring
[19:52:59] <myrkraverk> now, why doesn't my touch pad mouse work now? (it did the first time I installed snv 50 on this machine (am trying again)
[19:53:04] <darrenm> plus currently you have to remember to set aside multiple slices for BE root filesystems.
[19:53:17] <darrenm> with ZFS root the copy part of live upgrade becomes:
[19:53:26] <darrenm> zfs snapshot rootfs@now
[19:53:42] <darrenm> zfs clone rootfs@now new_be
[19:53:44] <darrenm> more or less
[19:53:47] <sahafeez> zfs is not a solution to upgrading. getting sun to move their head from their ass and design a proper method is
[19:53:49] <sommerfeld> myrkraverk: my ferrari 4k has a magic key combination which disables the touchpad (Fn plus one of the number keys)
[19:53:59] <delewis> sahafeez: what is wrong with the current method?
[19:54:00] <myrkraverk> sommerfeld: ok, thanks
[19:54:06] <darrenm> sahafeez: I didn't say it was a solution it is part of one.
[19:54:09] <delewis> Solaris has one of the slickest upgrade processes than any other operating system.
[19:54:15] <delewis> (even without bootable ZFS)
[19:54:21] <sommerfeld> somehow it accidentally got activated around the time i upgraded the laptop to 49
[19:54:22] <myrkraverk> sommerfeld: ah, thanks ;)
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[19:54:26] <darrenm> yep live upgrade is very cool
[19:54:41] <sahafeez> requiring other disk slices to do it? silly
[19:54:42] <darrenm> also imagine being able to do zfs snapshot before any patchadd !
[19:54:48] <delewis> sahafeez: it isn't *required*
[19:54:49] <quasi> delewis: mksysb in aix has been there for ages and is slicker than LU ;)
[19:54:52] <delewis> it's required if you have a clue.
[19:54:57] <delewis> quasi: no
[19:54:58] <darrenm> sahafeez: which is why ZFS root is very interesting
[19:54:59] <delewis> mksysb requires a tape.
[19:55:01] <delewis> which is useless.
[19:55:08] <delewis> unless you have sysback or something
[19:55:09] <quasi> delewis: no it doesn't
[19:55:10] <darrenm> live upgrade is only one option for upgrading Solaris
[19:55:20] <delewis> quasi: yes, it does, unless you happen to have a real NIM server laying around
[19:55:26] <darrenm> you can also use flash archives or you can do in place upgrade
[19:55:27] <quasi> delewis: bingo
[19:55:28] <delewis> and sysback to convert the mksysb image
[19:55:31] <delewis> so it is NIM-ified.
[19:55:40] <quasi> yeah
[19:55:41] <sahafeez> why not a binary install in place - ie openbsd, freebsd  or make build world
[19:55:59] <delewis> sahafeez: Solaris is not a source-based operating system.
[19:56:02] <quasi> sahafeez: because rollback becomes such a pain
[19:56:13] <delewis> and that's completely impractical for a production environment.
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[19:56:42] <delewis> the AIX implementation of Live Upgrade still isn't up to par to what Solaris offers, IMO.
[19:56:55] <delewis> you can at least to an "alternate install" within the same volume group with 5.3, though
[19:57:10] <delewis> prior to, you had to use a different volume group (which *required* a second disk)
[19:57:23] <hell`> anyone know of a way to get the solaris grub to install on a floppy and not on the HD.. my machine has to run pointsec encryption software which encrypts the MBR so i need to boot off a floppy or CD to tell it to boot the right partition
[19:57:24] <quasi> 5.3 is fairly slick
[19:57:25] <sahafeez> then a binary install like i said in the 1st part
[19:57:34] <delewis> quasi: yes.
[19:57:39] <delewis> though, I liked 5.2, as well
[19:57:45] <delewis> 5.1 and 4.3.3 were
[19:57:47] <delewis> well, dogs :-)
[19:57:56] <delewis> 5.1 still had too much 4.3.x cruft laying around
[19:58:01] <delewis> while trying to move forward to 5L
[19:59:11] <quasi> once you forgive aix for their registry and the smit without ty at the end, it is almost usable ;)
[19:59:34] <darrenm> sahafeez: if you want a bsd like make world system then that is a good OpenSolaris project but it is unlikely to be what Sun's OpenSolaris disto (ie Solaris) uses, but feel free to create your own, thats the flexibility we have now.
[19:59:39] <delewis> ODM is annoying, especially when you want to hack network settings.
[19:59:46] <quasi> yes
[19:59:47] <darrenm> hell`: installgrub is the command you want.
[19:59:48] <delewis> you have to use some userland tool to edit the register
[19:59:51] <delewis> registry, rather.
[19:59:59] <hell`> darrenm: thanks
[20:00:03] <sahafeez> i would be happy with an openbsd like boot a new install cd and install in place and merger the /etc fiels
[20:00:05] <delewis> other than that, I'm fairly complacent with AIX.
[20:00:38] <darrenm> hell`: you will very likely need to use the -m argument to put it into the floppies MBR.  BTW I've never actually tried this but it should work :-)
[20:02:10] * quasi just did the installgrub a couple of hours ago after finding that the manuals hints about installboot on x86 were bad ;)
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[20:02:32] <quasi> seemed to work fine for disk2disk
[20:02:55] <hell`> darrenm: ok.. do you think this should work as long as I leave the pointsec alone and use the floppy to boot solaris?
[20:03:30] <darrenm> hell`: don't know.  Having never used pointsec I can't say.
[20:04:20] <quasi> hell`: it worked for booting linux with a pointsec'ed disk
[20:04:51] <hell`> well from what i understand pointsec encrypts the MBR and passes the key to windows to unencrypt.. so if i mess with the pointsec mbr, its screwed. so i shrunk my windows partition down, and im going to install solaris on the rest and then have the floppy boot it
[20:05:03] <hell`> i forget if theres an option to tell solaris install to not install grub on the mbr
[20:05:22] <hell`> or not install grub at all
[20:05:25] <darrenm> hell`: Solaris doesn't put grub on the MBR by default only if you manually do it.
[20:05:32] <darrenm> you can't not install Grub with Solaris.
[20:05:40] <darrenm> Other OpenSolaris distros may put Grub in the MBR though
[20:05:56] <hell`> SXCR i mean
[20:07:17] <hell`> where does it put it by default?
[20:10:52] <darrenm> in the fdisk partition that Solaris gets intalled into
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[20:12:13] <hell`> ahhh
[20:12:48] <hell`> but when you install, how does the system know to goto the solaris grub first
[20:13:08] <hell`> for instance if i have windows, linux, and solaris installed and i install solaris last, it will use the solaris grub over the others
[20:13:23] <darrenm> Solaris sets the fdisk partition it got installed into to be the active one
[20:13:35] <hell`> ahh
[20:13:36] <darrenm> Solaris doesn't touch the MBR though
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[20:14:44] <hell`> so i need to somehow tell it to set the pointsec partition back to active
[20:14:49] <hell`> after i install solaris
[20:15:16] <hell`> i can do that through fdisk in solaris?
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[20:26:09] <PerterB> yup
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[20:40:50] <myrkraverk> quasi: where is that?
[20:41:08] <Snake007uk> anyone know what ZFS is like when trying to copy or move large files say about 80-0gb
[20:41:11] <Snake007uk> 800GB
[20:41:18] <quasi> myrkraverk: quoting sco.com
[20:41:42] <myrkraverk> quasi: ah - they probably define the market by "stuff that runs sco stuff" :)
[20:42:30] <jamesd> Snake007uk, as fast as the raw storage allows.. if its done on a 64bit hardware
[20:42:35] <quasi> myrkraverk: it is either that, or they're smoking some really good stuff ;)
[20:43:53] <Snake007uk> jamesd well i have been told to DD over a disk 800gb or 1.4TB takes 6 hours?
[20:44:28] <delewis> what does dd have to do with the filesystem?
[20:44:40] <Snake007uk> nohting
[20:44:43] <myrkraverk> quasi: ;)
[20:44:43] <jamesd> if you do it with r a  x4500...  it will work at 1.3GB/s but its not your ordinary hardware
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[20:45:54] <Snake007uk> the reason i am asking is, someone tried copy the files, then tried scp rsync etc.. in the end they went for dd. and they think moving to resierfs on linux, and i suggested moving to ZFS on solaris
[20:46:43] <jamesd> zfs works as fast as hardware allows. given some opteron cores to do checksumming.
[20:46:54] <quasi> Snake007uk: dd is horribly inefficiet - but using a larger blocksize usually helps
[20:47:17] <Snake007uk> i htink bs size 1024000
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[20:47:34] <Snake007uk> apparently it would take longer if rsync or anythign else was used
[20:48:04] <jamesd> by default there's already configured one pool named zpool1 which is collection of many smaller raidz groups. Well, first thing I just had to do was to run simple dd on that pool - 600-800MB/s of write performance and similar when reading :)
[20:48:04] <jamesd> I recreated using the same disk for a one large stripe and got with single dd 1.35GB/s
[20:48:20] <sickness> rsync does it's own checksumming upon all the rest, so at least disable that if you want to speed things up
[20:48:32] <sickness> scp does encryption, so let alone scp if you want only speed!
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[20:49:06] <jamesd> sickness, the checksums are a very important feature of zfs.
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[20:49:25] <Snake007uk> hmmm well... currently they have to attach a disk, dd over from original disk to new disk and move like that
[20:50:01] <sickness> jamesd: I know, and I keep them turned on, but if one needs only speed, rsync checksums + scp checksums + zfs checksums seems redundant and overlapping features to me =)
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[20:50:28] <sickness> Snake007uk: are all the disks different in os/fs ?
[20:50:41] <Snake007uk> currently they are running fc3
[20:50:43] <Snake007uk> on ext3
[20:50:48] <sickness> Snake007uk: if you manage to find an higher level utility for that, you'll get faster times
[20:50:49] <Snake007uk> ive just joined
[20:50:49] <jamesd> sickness, still doesn't matter, since a opteron core can checksum at 8GB/s per core its not really something to wory about.
[20:51:02] <sickness> jamesd: yeah that's true...
[20:52:16] <jamesd> Snake007uk, you find a way to handle over 1GB/s of disk io on a linux box that is stable and trustworthy i will be highly supprised.
[20:52:51] <clee> I've yet to get more than a hundred MB/s on a linux box, but I don't have any serious hardware
[20:53:02] <quasi> jamesd: get a 4GB HBA and a hitachi tagmastore to back it ;)
[20:53:50] <Snake007uk> jamesd well, the hardware is a hp msa30 300gb u320 scsi 10k disk full array
[20:54:16] <jamesd> how many  u320 channels?
[20:54:25] <quasi> Snake007uk: how many disks in that?
[20:55:04] <clee> Snake007uk: ext3 = lame
[20:55:34] <clee> actually, I'd be interested to see how ext3 compared to, say, reiserfs and xfs, on that same hardware
[20:55:43] <jamesd> good luck waiting hour upon hour of creating filesystems.
[20:56:01] <Snake007uk> i think thats 12 disk in two logical volumes
[20:56:04] <sickness> kill ext3, if you want compare reiserfs and xfs, ext3 is like ext2 but TWO times slower ;)
[20:56:40] <Triskelios> sickness: reiser3 actually turns out to have really awful performance in many cases
[20:57:00] <sickness> Triskelios: more awful than ext3? I don't think this is possible in this world :P
[20:57:03] <sickness> ghgh
[20:57:11] <sickness> </rant>
[20:57:22] <clee> jamesd: I dunno about newfs on solaris, but at least xfs creates the fs almost instantly
[20:57:28] <sahafeez> jfs and xfs will be the faster over all. reiserfs is very fast with lots of little files
[20:57:29] <Triskelios> I think so. xfs has some bad interactions with the I/O scheduler in linux, also...
[20:57:30] <clee> ZFS also seems to be pretty much instantaneous
[20:57:52] <Triskelios> although ext3 really is a baseline for :slow"
[20:57:53] <jamesd> clee, i was more refering to raid / lvm time  to sync
[20:57:56] <clee> ah, yeah.
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[20:57:59] <sahafeez> the xfs/linux issues were solved a bit ago..
[20:58:08] <sickness> phone...
[20:58:38] <Triskelios> sahafeez: which issues are you referring to?
[20:58:49] <sahafeez> the i/o scheduler
[20:59:43] <Triskelios> I don't think so
[21:00:11] <Triskelios> there were papers from the beginning of the year...
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[21:23:29] <hali> s -ef
[21:24:33] * stevel will be deploying the new OpenGrok deployment in half an hour
[21:25:39] <stevel> (hopefully)
[21:26:28] <boyd> Morning, all
[21:28:10] <boyd> stevel: Are there any plans to offer something like hgwebdir.py access to the on repo?
[21:28:39] <stevel> boyd: OpenGrok will be directly indexing all SCM repositories on opensolaris.org
[21:30:01] <boyd> stevel: Sure, but there are a couple of things that OpenGrok doesn't do AFAIK in the area of changesets. e.g. RSS feeds and a combined diff for a whole changeset
[21:30:36] <boyd> I see hgwebdir as more a changeset browser than a general code browswer
[21:31:26] <stevel> boyd: ah. hrm. we should look into adding that to OpenGrok then.  i'm not keen on having multiple source-browsers around (even though hgwebdir and opengrok do have some distinct features)
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[21:31:53] <boyd> I agree... it would be nice to see that kind of thing in opengrok
[21:32:12] <boyd> I'm not sure if it even has the idea of a changeset
[21:33:28] <stevel> boyd: i don't believe it does
[21:34:01] <stevel> well, let me finish tackling the OpenGrok deployment, and then i'll talk to chandan and trond about what we can do to add changeset browsing support to OpenGrok
[21:34:07] <stevel> cause that would very much kick ass
[21:34:17] <stevel> if we can't, then yeah - i'll look into setting up hgwebdir
[21:34:18] <boyd> Sure would.
[21:34:33] <boyd> Once again, stevel is a legend :)
[21:34:41] <elektronkind> ????
[21:34:46] <elektronkind> ack
[21:35:21] <boyd> elektronkind: I have no idea that that first line said, but it looked cool :)
[21:36:02] <elektronkind> trying to see if arabic text worked, but I did it in the wrong window :)
[21:36:11] <boyd> Well, it worked for me here :)
[21:36:26] <elektronkind> cool :)
[21:36:30] <elektronkind> all I got were ? marks
[21:37:00] <sommerfeld> somehow or other xchat rendered it as connected script.  (oddly, firefox/mozilla seem to display disconnected characters.)
[21:37:20] <elektronkind> different font probably
[21:38:53] <elektronkind> anyway, it was "small amount" in arabit
[21:38:58] <elektronkind> s/t/c
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[21:41:54] <sommerfeld> as opposed to "kick me, i'm an infidel" ?
[21:42:05] <elektronkind> hehehe
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[21:43:03] * boyd tries to remember what ARC case he was reading about last night that he wanted to ask sommerfeld about
[21:44:08] <elektronkind> PSARC 2006/324: Solaris's DDI needs to support Linux drivers natively?
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[21:44:19] <boyd> I doubt it
[21:44:43] <sommerfeld> elektronkind: uh, wha?
[21:44:53] <elektronkind> it was a joke, calm down ;)
[21:45:16] <sommerfeld> yes, i see that now.
[21:46:06] <hell`> darrenm, you there?
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[21:47:06] <hell`> http://blogs.sun.com/roumen/entry/winxp_ubuntu_and_solaris_10 says that solaris install overwrites the mbr
[21:47:20] <boyd> Morning, Tpenta
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[21:47:52] <stevel> new opengrok deployment is up
[21:47:57] <stevel> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref
[21:48:03] <Tpenta> boyd
[21:48:45] <Tpenta> good morning mr lau
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[21:50:38] <stevel> hey alan
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[21:56:18] <Tpenta> stevl: PSARC 2006/610 is going to mean anoter change to encumbered-bins, isnt it
[21:56:32] <Tpenta> i mean bindrop
[21:57:36] <Tpenta> Data Encryption Kit (SUNWcry) Removal
[21:57:58] <sickness> cry :)
[21:58:13] <Tpenta> no, SUNWcry ;)
[21:58:16] <Tpenta> :)
[21:58:18] <sickness> :P
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[22:10:18] <stevel> tpenta: yeah
[22:11:21] <Tpenta> if I understand the case right, the total change shoudl be something like "remove the code to add the SUNWcry files", right?
[22:12:36] <Tpenta> I'm not sure it is even going to need a putback to ON, we'll need to find out from Darren when it happens
[22:16:10] <Tpenta> ahhh no, looks like it *will* need some mods to the SUNWcsl and SUNWcsr packages, so there should be a putback
[22:18:05] <boyd> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061102-8132.html Microsoft launch a whole consortium to do what appcert does.
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[22:24:34] <Tpenta> stevel: I've just dropped an email (cc'd you) to darren asking to be included in those conversations. the very last paragraph before section 6 talks about liasing with us about mods for closed binaries
[22:24:49] <stevel> got it, thanks!
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[22:28:00] <Tpenta> is darren still in ireland?
[22:32:53] <stevel> england i thought
[22:33:18] <Tpenta> i got the correct corner of the world ;)
[22:43:54] <boyd> Hmm.. that recent -discuss email that points to the online users page really shows how many people use the online forums, vs mail
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[22:47:27] <alanc> not even that - I got on the list just for going to view that page
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[22:50:00] <richlowe> well that was unpleasant.
[22:52:01] <alanc> so how long until all the heads of all the groklaw crowd explode trying to digest the Microsoft/Novell(SuSE) Linux deal?
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[22:54:48] <gdamore> wow, has anyone looked at what is on the recovery Grub image in Nevada?
[22:54:57] <richlowe> nearly everything.
[22:55:00] <gdamore> I mean, is someone really going to use pkgmk on recovery media?
[22:55:09] <gnu2it2> why can i boot a cd but not a dvd ? both were burned with the same burner this is a dvd drive on the box
[22:55:10] <richlowe> I've been wondering about that myself.
[22:55:21] <richlowe> I saw a blog entry saying it was 'intentional', but I'm not sure *all of it* was...
[22:56:38] <gnu2it2> i wonder if my firmware and openboot are up to date? how to tell on a sunblade 2k ?
[22:56:50] <gdamore> i'm just wondering if we can prune it down at all.
[22:56:59] <richlowe> prtdiag -v
[22:57:10] <alanc> compare the version to the one in the latest OBP patch for your platform
[22:57:12] <richlowe> gdamore: most likely considerably.
[22:57:13] <gdamore> there is a dmesg too, but since no /var/log/syslog exists, it should probably be removed
[22:57:22] <gdamore> (as an example)
[22:57:41] <gdamore> i think it should be possible to prune the recovery image down to 64MB or less
[22:58:36] <richlowe> I think you could prune it considerably just removing useless bits.
[22:58:46] <richlowe> probably even more pruning dubiously, but possibly useful bits.
[22:59:18] <gdamore> i mean, i _think_ i understand why perl is there to support "kstat" (!?!), but does it really need java?
[22:59:50] <stevel> we're going to rename it the Sun Java Grub Recovery Image
[23:00:17] <alanc> can't run SMC without Java!
[23:00:30] <alanc> (though that's probably an argument for keeping java out)
[23:00:42] <stevel> lol
[23:00:54] * gdamore smacks stevel with a wet mackarel, but it has the words "Java Smacking Fish" written on the side...
[23:00:57] <alanc> ooh...rewrite grub in Java!   that would be most entertaining
[23:01:14] <alanc> load a JVM to load your boot loader...
[23:01:27] <gdamore> _that_ would be typical of Solaris bloat.. :-)
[23:01:57] <gdamore> of course, we already have that for sparc, except we call it "forth", not "java" :-)
[23:02:19] * stevel drops a Sun Java Anvil on gdamore's toe
[23:02:28] * gdamore yowls.
[23:02:38] * stevel hands gdamore a Sun Java Enterprise Bandage
[23:02:55] <richlowe> N1 bandage.
[23:02:58] * gdamore Java You.
[23:02:59] <richlowe> it's part of the services package ;)
[23:03:10] <stevel> lol
[23:03:33] <alanc> surprised no one ever proposed making OBP use display postscript for a more graphical boot - it's just a forth variant after all
[23:04:27] <gdamore> there is banner support already.  and OBP already has methods to address individual pixels.
[23:04:29] <quasi> alanc: that wouldn't be very enterprisey would it?
[23:04:48] <sickness> LOL
[23:05:02] * sickness is rotfling
[23:05:40] <gdamore> the OBP console output switches to the kernel pretty darn quickly.  :-)  the kernel boot could go graphic really fast.  eww Display JavaScript? :-)
[23:06:14] <alanc> no, to be enterprisey everything has to be behind those shiny black touchscreen consoles with big pastel color swaths across them
[23:06:49] * quasi finds the extra large soggy salmon and takes aim at gdamore
[23:07:02] * gdamore ducks.
[23:07:24] <sommerfeld> bah.  the real enterprise used salt shakers as medical instruments
[23:07:25] * gdamore whips out ginsu knives.  "Sushi Time!"
[23:08:06] * quasi adjusts aim and hits gdamore in the back of the head on the backswing (boomerang salmon)
[23:08:14] <gdamore> ow!
[23:08:40] <richlowe> stevel: did the opengrok update include hg support?
[23:08:42] <alanc> we should stop before we devolve to Display ksh93 scripts and rewriting grub as a 64-bit ksh93 plugin module
[23:08:52] <stevel> richlowe: it does
[23:08:57] <stevel> but we're running into some load balancer issues at the moment
[23:08:59] * gdamore lobs brick at alanc.
[23:09:00] <richlowe> whoo.
[23:09:01] <stevel> i'm trying to sort them out
[23:09:13] <stevel> i've temporarily fallen back to the old deployment while we figure this out
[23:09:18] <richlowe> you should package it up all neat so I can have it index all my stuff ;)
[23:09:45] <stevel> i think Trond is getting it ready for release... he mentioned something about it on opengrok-discuss
[23:11:01] <richlowe> yeah, I meant automatically kick it off and all that. :)
[23:11:26] * richlowe is still catching up on mail, comcast bricked the cable modem here.
[23:11:47] <elektronkind> they bfu'd your cable modem?
[23:11:55] <elektronkind> silly comcast
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[23:12:11] <sommerfeld> bfu is not the only way to brickify something.
[23:12:12] <gisburn> alanc: I have a great, new idea...
[23:12:15] <elektronkind> of course, then there's that roland guy
[23:12:17] <richlowe> elektronkind: it seems like they flashed it with something they shouldn't have, and left it junked.
[23:12:23] <elektronkind> OH HI GISBURN
[23:12:24] <richlowe> ... this is the second time a cable company has done this to me, too
[23:12:26] <gisburn> alanc: remeber DPS ?
[23:12:37] * gdamore lobs brick at gsburn before he can open his mouth further.
[23:12:40] <gisburn> elektronkind: Hi! :-)
[23:13:10] <gdamore> sorry about that gsburn.  ***gdamore takes new aim on gisburn.
[23:13:15] <elektronkind> so, is it time to start planning the first OpenSolaris con ?
[23:13:18] <sommerfeld> and, really, bfu is probably one of the kindest ways to brickify a system...
[23:13:39] <sommerfeld> since it doesn't touch firmware.
[23:13:43] <sickness> sommerfeld: brickify?
[23:13:46] <gdamore> i thought there was already a con scheduled for march.  i thought nobody was going, tho?
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[23:13:50] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
[23:13:56] <Tpenta> i believe its already being planned in germany
[23:14:07] * elektronkind votes for Ibiza, spain as the venue
[23:14:12] <sommerfeld> sickness: "Reduce a software-driven system to the approximate functionality of a warm brick"
[23:14:22] <gisburn> alanc: remeber "Display PostScript" alias DPS ? Maybe we can create a replacement using ksh93, called "Display Shell Scripting"
[23:14:25] <gisburn> DSS
[23:14:42] * gdamore throws piano at gisburn.
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[23:15:13] <gisburn> gdamore: why we could run the mandelbrot demo on the Xserver side, freeing time on the X client.
[23:15:38] <gisburn> Maybe we can replace the Forth usage in the OBP with ksh93, too.
[23:15:39] <alanc> gisburn: reading the IRC logs?
[23:15:46] * gdamore throws komodo-dragon filled bus at gisburn.
[23:15:49] <gisburn> alanc: no, why ?
[23:16:09] <richlowe> gisburn: don't forget SP's
[23:16:16] <alanc> DPS and ksh93 came up just moments before you logged in...
[23:16:18] <gisburn> SP ?
[23:16:21] <richlowe> you could do all the management software as one big script...
[23:16:22] <richlowe> gisburn: Service Processor.
[23:16:32] <gisburn> richlowe: yeah, that one, too.
[23:16:45] <gisburn> Maybe a JVM written in ksh93 would be nice, too.
[23:16:45] <alanc> I am trying very hard to forget Display Postscript though
[23:16:49] <gdamore> heh.  the E10K uses Tcl RPCs between its Service Processor and the "Control Board"
[23:16:55] <oxygene> alanc: that bad?
[23:17:20] <gdamore> one of the poorest design choices it has ever been my misfortune to have to pick up after....
[23:17:24] <sickness> alanc: NeXT.
[23:17:25] <sickness> >:P
[23:17:45] <gisburn> alanc: yes, I read the log.
[23:17:48] <gdamore> (talking about Tcl RPCs for low-level system mgmt, not DPS)
[23:17:58] * gisburn is not as mad as gdamore
[23:17:59] <boyd> gdamore: Good grief, are you sure?
[23:18:14] <boyd> What a bizarre decision
[23:18:21] <gdamore> absolutely 100%.  My first job at sun was to maintain that stuff.
[23:18:51] * oxygene would like some forth scripting in the X server
[23:18:56] <gdamore> its why the JTAG console on E10K is so slow.  Each keypress is a Tcl RPC.  The Tcl "server" is a 100MHz MMU-less sparcv7.
[23:18:59] <alanc> fortunately, the DPS sources are all locked up in a small room to which I have never had the key
[23:19:00] <oxygene> after all, certain people here want to ban it in the firmware *grrr*
[23:19:22] <oxygene> alanc: uh, there's a gnu version I could give you ;)
[23:19:41] <alanc> oxygene: hurry up and use DPS before Xsun goes away then, do all the forth scripting you want
[23:19:46] <boyd> gdamore: They must have been consuming some powerful substances to think that was a good idea
[23:19:54] <gdamore> yes.
[23:19:58] <alanc> oxygene: you could try, but I won't take it
[23:20:03] <gdamore> btw, this is also why POST via JTAG takes soo long.
[23:20:06] <alanc> can't risk GPL encumbering the X server
[23:20:07] <oxygene> heh :)
[23:20:25] <gdamore> POSTing memory via that (each JTAG shift is a Tcl script) was horrible.
[23:20:49] <oxygene> alanc: well, forth scripting with some fancy synthetic events.. server-side widgets! (yet again) :)
[23:20:52] * oxygene runs. fast.
[23:21:06] <alanc> I do have X11/NeWS source somewhere
[23:21:17] <gdamore> i tried to argue for an alternate replacement protocol, but mgmt wasn't interested in spending cycles on it; they were doing all their development on the SF15K.
[23:21:37] * gdamore wonders if they have just s/Tcl/Java/ on the SF15k.
[23:21:40] <gisburn> gdamore: which protocol replaced it ? mime-encoded XML ?
[23:21:49] <gdamore> NFI.
[23:21:55] <gisburn> ?!
[23:22:10] <gdamore> No "Fine" Idea
[23:22:17] <icon> hmm
[23:22:24] <icon> any word on sxcr 51 yet?
[23:22:36] <gisburn> icon: canceled.
[23:22:49] <oxygene> alanc: x11/news.. hmm.. unlikely to ever get out in the open, I guess
[23:22:51] <icon> ... why?
[23:22:55] <gdamore> the SF15K team tried to get me to work on the new SP software, and I "strongly" declined.  i went to go work for the I/O group instead (doing kernel work).
[23:23:06] <gisburn> icon: Next version is the Solaris to MacOSXI migration. Solaris gets replaced.
[23:23:19] <Stric> nooo.. not macos :P
[23:23:23] <icon> cute ;)
[23:23:59] <alanc> nv_51 for sparc actually won't be released via sxcr, but nv_51a should be soon
[23:24:00] <gdamore> the convergence of version numbers between Apple and Sun, makes sense now, plotted as a 5 year conspiracy between the companies.
[23:24:31] <gisburn> alanc: What does that mean ? No nevada DVD for sparc ?
[23:24:35] <rydis> NeWS (or however it's capitalized) sounded really interesting in a lot of ways. I've never actually seen it, unfortunately.
[23:24:53] <alanc> no, just that they had to respin nv_51 for sparc, so the result is called nv_51a
[23:25:04] <gdamore> what caused the respin?
[23:25:15] <alanc> see the thread on opensolaris-discuss last week
[23:25:28] <alanc> wrong version of install packages included in original spin
[23:25:32] <gdamore> heh.  one of these days maybe i'll subscribe to that list....
[23:25:35] <oxygene> rydis: lots of interesting UI systems/experiments were killed off early by some certain one-letter window system
[23:26:03] <alanc> the "zulu" project builds somehow got into the real dock when they were only supposed to go to a special test build dock
[23:26:47] <alanc> no window system will ever need more than one letter!   or 640k of RAM!
[23:27:14] 
[23:27:31] <alanc> sure
[23:28:42] <gdamore> heh.  just looked at the sun home page.  "Unconference" sounds like a weird hack by sales folks to try to get some extra travel time.
[23:29:55] <gdamore> an excuse to get together and drink with other peers, without any of that "legitimate business" BS.
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[23:30:41] <icon> hrmm
[23:30:58] <icon> is there a b51 dvd image sitting around anywhere?
[23:31:34] <richlowe> not yet.
[23:31:54] <stevel> yes. there is.  is it accessible yet? no.
[23:31:59] <stevel> but will be soon
[23:32:02] <icon> ahh
[23:32:11] <icon> hmm. tamarack et al were added in b51, right?
[23:32:13] <richlowe> stevel: Well yeah, I didn't think it worth saying "Yes, but we can't see it"
[23:32:29] <stevel> richlowe: yeah. i was just being a jerk :)
[23:32:33] <stevel> icon: yeah
[23:32:40] <richlowe> stevel: and you do it so well, too... :)
[23:32:56] * richlowe is so happy the dtrace bug is fixed
[23:32:58] <icon> bah, ill wait a little longer to update then ;)
[23:33:05] <richlowe> if somewhat annoyed I missed something that's (now) so clear :(
[23:35:22] <icon> out of curiosity has there ever been any talk of adding a format home for root?
[23:35:29] <icon> s/format/formal/
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[23:36:44] <stevel> richlowe: http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate
[23:37:34] <richlowe> I still don't like the deleted_files choice. :)
[23:37:41] <stevel> yeah yeah
[23:37:50] * elektronkind wishes that his boss would at least sing in key with his music
[23:37:53] <richlowe> Oh, boy is that slow.
[23:38:07] <stevel> what's slow?
[23:38:34] <richlowe> Searching on src.o.o, also the History in onnv-gate.
[23:38:49] <richlowe> I'm not actually sure either were going to work, I gave up searching, I'll wait out the history.
[23:39:07] <elektronkind> src.o.o is hanging for me once I try to get past /onnv/onnv-gate/usr/
[23:39:17] <elektronkind> ah, there it goes
[23:39:28] <richlowe> that's probably my trying to look at history breaking things ;)
[23:39:48] <richlowe> I can get to files below there if I hit them explicitly, but searching was getting me nowhere, and history still hasn't loaded.
[23:40:13] <stevel> search should work quickly
[23:40:18] <richlowe> it didn't.
[23:40:27] <stevel> history takes a little bit... took 8 seconds for me just now
[23:40:29] <richlowe> I'm still waiting on the history, but I'll try again when it gets done.
[23:40:35] <richlowe> ... it's been going for a good 30 here.
[23:40:46] <stevel> hrm
[23:41:44] <richlowe> k, search worked fast enough that time.
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[23:43:27] <moazamraja> lsof is not included in Solaris 10u2??
[23:43:32] <moazamraja> I'm trying to find an lsof which will tell me who is listening on what socket
[23:43:44] <moazamraja> (or..hmm...a dtrace program to find that out..)
[23:44:00] <alanc> Solaris has pfiles instead
[23:44:16] <alanc> need to download lsof from blastwave/sunfreeware or build it yourself
[23:44:25] <moazamraja> but i'm looking for network socket info
[23:44:27] <sickness> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/dtrace/scripts/
[23:44:39] <alanc> pfiles shows socket info
[23:44:46] <oxygene> but per process, not per socket
[23:44:58] <icon> moazamraja: netstat not good enough?
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[23:45:32] <moazamraja> well...we want to see the net connection, and which file it is using
[23:45:40] <moazamraja> file(s)
[23:45:57] <icon> are we talking about domain sockets ?
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[23:48:05] <moazamraja> argh, the Net dtrace scripts from dtracetoolkit wont work for me...
[23:48:15] <moazamraja> s10u2
[23:48:16] <moazamraja> dtrace: failed to compile script /dev/fd/10: "/usr/include/sys/kstat.h", line 439: invalid type combination
[23:48:47] <gnu2it2> on a sunblade 2k with 2gb mem, should swap be 1x or 2x mem?
[23:51:02] <Error_404> i bought a fountain pen
[23:51:15] <Error_404> :)
[23:51:27] <moazamraja> does your shirt know this?
[23:51:32] <moazamraja> and...is your shirt afraid?
[23:51:34] <moazamraja> it should be.
[23:51:36] <moazamraja> :)
[23:52:59] <Error_404> good thing most of my shirts are promotional tradeshow junk, or from value village
[23:53:32] <moazamraja> good things most of my pens are promotional tradeshow junk, or from...hey wait a minute.
[23:58:49] <moazamraja> hrm...
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[23:59:04] <moazamraja> OK...i'm trying to find out which processes have which sockets open
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[23:59:43] <trede> does dtrace work in SXCR 50  ?
[23:59:54] <richlowe> Unless you get unlucky, yes.





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