[00:00:06] <sickness> ifconfig -a plumb
[00:00:07] <sickness> ?
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[00:00:25] <jlc> just lo0
[00:00:34] <hspaans> its the elx driver
[00:00:41] <hspaans> if I'm not mistaken
[00:01:00] <sickness> ifconfig elx0 plumb
[00:01:01] <sickness> ?
[00:01:02] <sickness> :P
[00:01:14] <richlowe> elxl is the 3c905
[00:01:21] <richlowe> 3c509 was the 10Mb etherlink.
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[00:01:53] <jlc> doesn't see it
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[00:02:19] <richlowe> knowing which the card is would be good, I'm not sure there's actually a driver for the 509. :)
[00:02:44] <jlc> i know it works, just normally works when I install and the card is in....
[00:02:55] <jlc> took it out of my linux box because I forgot
[00:03:43] <jlc> arrggggggggggggggg
[00:03:50] <hspaans> richlowe: elx was the one in solaris 7 according to docs.sun.com ;-)
[00:03:57] <jlc> i've got to clean house, wife is yelping about kids coming over :)
[00:03:59] <jlc> bbl
[00:04:25] <hspaans> jlc: there are some hits about your problem on forum.sun.com btw
[00:06:34] <richlowe> hspaans: yeah, elx(7D) was EOF'd with 10, though pcelx is still there.
[00:07:35] <richlowe> I'm assuming the card is actually  an elxl :)
[00:08:18] <hspaans> but then again, sol10+ on machine with ISA ;-)
[00:08:21] <lasseoe> weren't 509's ISA cards? :)
[00:08:41] <hspaans> jups
[00:09:09] <delewis> 509 == etherlink ii?
[00:09:10] <delewis> great cards.
[00:09:13] <delewis> (for the time)
[00:09:16] <richlowe> I thought there was a pci variant of the same thing, may have had a different model# though.
[00:09:23] <lasseoe> yup, fantastic cards
[00:09:24] <delewis> much better than the ne1000 shit that was being propogated :-)
[00:09:25] <hspaans> 595 that was
[00:10:50] <hspaans> !lart creative for producing card with ca0106 chips
[00:12:00] <jlc> maybe its a 515, i forget, i'll check in a bit
[00:12:13] <jlc> risking my life stepping over here to type.......
[00:19:19] <dwc-> yea, the 3c509 was el ii isa... the 3c905 was pci
[00:19:26] <hspaans> some know if audio cards are on someones todolist? or is opensound the better solution?
[00:20:04] <dwc-> I think the 3c529 was mca
[00:21:04] <dwc-> hm, this page says 3c509 was el iii
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[00:44:35] <jlc> 3c905 it is
[00:45:36] <jlc> and apparently it did not like the pci slot I had it in, put it in another and its detected
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[01:01:03] <gisburn> Hi!
[01:01:12] <gisburn> !summon kupfer
[01:01:20] <gisburn> Gman: ping!
[01:01:26] <Gman> pong
[01:01:35] <gisburn> Gman: is kupfer around ?
[01:01:39] <Gman> nope
[01:01:44] <gisburn> Gman: ;-(
[01:02:19] <gisburn> Gman: is liane around ?
[01:02:31] <Gman> nope
[01:02:42] <gisburn> Gman: ;-(
[01:02:43] <Gman> i don't think she irc's much
[01:03:00] <Gman> though i have a feeling half the kernel guys IM instead or something ;)
[01:03:09] <richlowe> gisburn: do you need something we maybe able to help you with?
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[01:03:34] <alanc> they might even do real work instead of talk on irc all day
[01:03:41] <gisburn> richlowe: not really, unless you can get people to change their heart
[01:03:55] <richlowe> I can't no, but I don't see why kupfer or lianep could either. :)
[01:04:04] <axisys> anyone know of a flickr like website to upload about 20 pics and share w/ friends while keeping them private.. besides using email
[01:04:05] <richlowe> alanc: Hah!
[01:04:14] <gisburn> richlowe: it's more about lianep directly
[01:04:21] <Gman> alanc, yeah
[01:04:45] <sickness> hi gisburn!
[01:05:04] * sickness goes to sleep, nite all!
[01:05:14] * gisburn greets sickness, the master of hal-9000 and mighty increaser of ssh latency...
[01:05:16] <gisburn> :-)
[01:05:22] <sickness> lol
[01:05:32] <sickness> pr0n is the mighty increaser, not me =)
[01:05:41] <sickness> should be fine this night ;)
[01:05:57] <gisburn> sickness: yeah
[01:06:08] <Gman> gisburn, what has she done or said?
[01:06:29] <gisburn> sickness: but I doubt gsf was happy yesterday... ;-(
[01:06:54] <gisburn> Gman: uhm... that's not for the public... ;-(
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[01:07:41] <dwc-> axisys: snapfish?
[01:08:21] <gisburn> Ugh... OS/Net mercurial has a deamon
[01:08:32] <richlowe> Well yeah.
[01:08:41] <richlowe> Assuming you mean daemon@
[01:09:07] * gisburn waits for ghosts, ghuls, satan and richlowe himself...
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[01:09:25] <Gman> gisburn, hrm, pity
[01:10:49] <gisburn> Gman: it appears something backfired. And I'd like to know why. And I don't like to draw this into the public since this is not the way to get the real answers.
[01:11:17] <axisys> dwc-: so 20 is free and from then on pay 12c.. have u used it? do u like it? i may give this a shot
[01:11:18] <Gman> 'something' ?
[01:11:27] <Gman> gisburn, oh well
[01:11:32] * gisburn shuts his mouth
[01:11:35] <Gman> i can't help you if you don't let me know more
[01:11:38] <dwc-> axisys: I thought you were looking for something to share pictures, not print them
[01:11:42] * Gman loses interest
[01:11:43] <gisburn> umpf
[01:12:35] <dwc-> but I did print some demo prints from them a few years back when they were new
[01:12:35] <axisys> dwc-: exactly..
[01:12:45] <axisys> dwc-: just share
[01:12:46] <dwc-> and they were pretty good
[01:13:01] <axisys> dwc-: i can only upload 20 free correct?
[01:13:01] <dwc-> iirc, you can upload pictures to snapfish and give people a url to view them
[01:13:08] <dwc-> no, the 20 free thing is for printing
[01:13:24] <axisys> dwc-: duh! *sigh*
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[01:14:30] <axisys> dwc-: is it secure like flickr where user needs to have an account to see.. so not public
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[01:17:27] <dwc-> there is no public gallery, to my knowledge
[01:17:37] <dwc-> people need to follow a particular link to view them
[01:18:06] <gisburn> Time for another quiz: WHat is this: * It has been found in the tumors of terminal cancer patients ; Its gaseous form may cause severe burns; Contributes to the greenhouse effect; the substance is a major component of acid rain;  Accelerates corrosion and breakdown of electrical equipment; Inhalation, even in small quantities, may cause death; Prolonged contact with its solid form results in...
[01:18:08] <gisburn> ...severe tissue damage ?
[01:19:32] <gisburn> Noone ?
[01:19:37] <gisburn> Withdrawal by those addicted to the substance causes certain death within 168 hours... :-)
[01:20:23] <gisburn> five letters
[01:21:05] <gisburn> It contributes to soil erosion...
[01:21:08] <Tpenta> sounds like water to me
[01:21:11] <dwc-> water
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[01:21:20] <gisburn> yep
[01:21:39] <gisburn> Seems my questions are too easy...
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[01:21:48] <gisburn> ... or was it the hint with "soil" ?
[01:21:53] <Gman> take it to #crossword or something
[01:22:54] <richlowe> Hm, the bug I've been chasing all day just vanished between test runs.
[01:22:59] <richlowe> without anything actually changing.
[01:23:15] <Tpenta> i wasd  thinkong oxygen until you said 168 hours
[01:24:21] <gisburn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_Monoxide_Hoax
[01:24:48] <Tpenta> I prefer the name Oxygen DiHydride
[01:25:49] <gisburn> My favourite is "hydroxyl acid"
[01:25:55] <gisburn> ACID!
[01:26:00] <gisburn> Horrible!
[01:26:07] <boyd> Umm.. is there some reason that the security-discuss list doesn show at mail.opensolaris.org?
[01:26:18] <boyd> s/doesn/doesn't
[01:26:28] * gisburn hands sommerfeld a glass of fresh acid and waits for his reaction...
[01:27:26] <gisburn> * In 2006, in Louisville, Kentucky, David Karem, executive director of the Waterfront Development Corporation, a public body that operates Waterfront Park, which features a large, accessible public fountain, wished to deter bathers from using the fountain. "Counting on a lack of understanding about water's chemical makeup," he arranged for signs reading:
[01:27:27] <gisburn> DANGER
[01:27:29] <gisburn> WATER CONTAINS HIGH LEVELS OF HYDROGEN
[01:27:30] <gisburn> KEEP OUT
[01:27:34] <boyd> Ah... it's just the overview page.... it's there on http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/
[01:28:05] * gisburn wishes the world would be less stupid.
[01:28:37] <dwc-> wouldn't hydroxyl acid be something like CH2OH?
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[01:28:49] <dwc-> I always thought they were hydrocarbons
[01:28:52] <gisburn> dwc-: where does the C come from ?
[01:29:06] <sommerfeld> excessive inhalation of dihidrogen monoxide may lead to death.
[01:29:15] <dwc-> you're asking me? How much of my high school chemistry do you think I remember? :)
[01:29:29] <Triskelios> dwc-: -OH would be an alcohol...
[01:29:35] <gisburn> sommerfeld: actually you only need 50ml +1g salt to get the effect.
[01:30:42] <dwc-> oh yea.... hydrocarbon with OH.... methanol
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[01:30:50] <gisburn> sommerfeld: the problem is that the lungs start filling themselves with fluid after some hours - which is the reason why people rescused from the ocean should stay a night at the hospital.
[01:31:37] <dwc-> hm, CH2 wouldn't have the right number of bonds either. oops.
[01:32:06] <gisburn> dwc-: sounds we need to file a bug against the universe... :-)
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[01:32:20] <sommerfeld> inhalation of salt water mist has turned out to be a very effective treatment for Cystic Fibrosis
[01:32:39] <boyd> ... in small doses.. :)
[01:32:56] <sommerfeld> (noticed when an australian CF specialist noticed the disease didn't progress in surfers like it did in nonsurfers)
[01:33:11] <boyd> ... actually, in large doses too... nobody suffered CF after they drowned
[01:33:37] <dwc-> cystic fibrosis... that's the one caused by chlorine imbalance?
[01:33:50] <dwc-> or... results in?
[01:34:38] <Godsey> is it possible to install in 32bit mode and then later switch to 64bit?
[01:34:49] <Tpenta> !seen stevel
[01:34:50] <Drone> stevel is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 31 Oct 2006 20:13 GMT, saying ':-P'.
[01:34:54] <boyd> Godsey: That always happens
[01:35:05] <boyd> Godsey: The iso's only boot in 32 bit mode
[01:35:08] <Godsey> oh :\
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[01:35:29] <Godsey> I found some forum posts that sugest my hardware is supported and thought maybe that was the problem
[01:35:36] <boyd> Godsey: But it's a boot-time option in solaris
[01:35:50] <sahafeez> Gman, anything more on drag-n-drop?
[01:36:07] <Gman> sahafeez, nothing, though i think padraig said he'd have a look at it
[01:36:13] <boyd> Godsey: Is it possibl;e that it needs a 3rd party driver
[01:36:14] <boyd> ?
[01:36:21] <Godsey> once the installer says it can't find any disks, can I go to the shell and load the driver from the other cd and continue?
[01:36:26] <sommerfeld> dwc: wikipedia says a recessive genetic mutation results in a defect in a protein responsible for transporting chlorine across cell walls, which has a bunch of other negative effects generally leading to early death.
[01:36:36] <sahafeez> Gman, 1. cool 2. who is padriag?
[01:36:45] <boyd> Godsey: There is an option on the fist menu you see for adding driver support
[01:36:51] <Godsey> boyd: I have the 3rd party driver, it seems to copy but I don't know enough about solaris to check if it was detected
[01:36:56] <Godsey> I think it's option 6
[01:36:56] <Gman> sahafeez, dude in the jds team
[01:37:29] <sahafeez> Gamn, great thanks. let me know if he needs me to crash my system again and send output. i really want this fixed...
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[01:38:09] <Gman> sahafeez, yeah, will try to keep chasing it up
[01:38:25] <boyd> Godsey: What's the Hw?
[01:38:36] <Godsey> lsilogic LSISAS1068
[01:39:06] <Godsey> but it's really the Dell SAS 5ir
[01:39:27] <Godsey> I don't know if it was rebranded such that the Solaris drivers won't work.
[01:39:32] <boyd> Hmm... I wondered about http://www.tools.de/solaris/itu/newboot/ but It's only NIC atm I think
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[01:39:40] <Godsey> I tested it w/ Windows 2003, the lsi drivers work in it
[01:40:09] <boyd> Godsey: It's possible that is has different pci vendor/device IDs... I don't know how to adjust them at install time
[01:40:21] <boyd> (I mean adjust the ones that solaris uses)
[01:40:22] <Godsey> Solaris also doesn't work w/ my ide floppy so I had to make a iso image for it
[01:42:16] <boyd> Godsey: You may be best to post to a mailing-list/forum.
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[01:43:46] <Godsey> is there something I can gleen from linux w/ lspci and compare to the files on the floppy image?
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[01:44:13] <boyd> Godsey: Maybe... but I'm out of clue
[01:44:59] <Godsey> I see the drivers floppy calls it the FusionMPT but really it's not the fusion based board, maybe there is a download problem at lsi
[01:45:41] <gisburn> which bug component is /etc/profile ?
[01:46:19] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> hello all
[01:46:28] <Godsey> boyd: what can I type in shell to see what hardware has been detected?
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[01:46:33] <gisburn> dclarke_ZZZzzz: helloZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz____________-
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[01:47:07] * gisburn rephases his english: which component in the bug db covers changes to /etc/profile ?
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[01:50:52] * gisburn thanks this channel for helpfull answers.
[01:51:52] <Godsey> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=109908&tstart=0
[01:52:05] <Godsey> I have found this
[01:52:28] <Godsey> I'm guessing they got it working after install, but I only have the raid controller
[01:53:05] <movement> "This is awful to the point it should provoke corporate embarrassment."
[01:53:10] <movement> hah. love it rich.
[01:54:24] <gisburn> movement: URL ?
[01:56:43] <boyd> Godsey: you can use prtconf -pv to get a full list with all details.... but I'd post to the same list
[01:56:54] <Godsey> ok
[01:58:12] * gisburn fild tiled the "/etc/profile sets TMPDIR" RFE
[01:59:06] <gisburn> erm
[01:59:13] <gisburn> s/fild tiled/filed/
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[02:05:31] <boyd> movement: Which rich and where did he say that?
[02:05:32] <dclarke> dclarke is here ... hanging around
[02:05:40] <boyd> Hi dennis
[02:05:48] <movement> boyd, lowe, in a bug he filed today
[02:05:50] <dclarke> hello
[02:06:03] <boyd> movement: Ah
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[02:06:29] <dclarke> no one may care .. but .. I am tonight going to build gcc 3.4.6 on Solaris 2.5.1 x86
[02:06:33] <dclarke> just for a lark
[02:06:58] <boyd> dclarke: You have too much time on your hands :)
[02:07:18] <dclarke> well .. I don't
[02:07:23] <dclarke> but this machine does
[02:07:27] <boyd> Heh
[02:07:30] <spawrq> someone say .. studebaker?
[02:07:31] <dclarke> so I may as well give it something to chew on
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[02:07:43] <dclarke> studebaker ?
[02:07:51] <spawrq> ya
[02:07:53] <boyd> Solaris x86 2.5.1? Edsel is more like it :)
[02:07:54] <spawrq> lark
[02:08:07] <dclarke> Solaris 2.5.1 was a really great release
[02:08:08] <Godsey> I have that
[02:08:10] <dclarke> super solid
[02:08:25] <spawrq> i've got 2.5.1 on cd in a giant box with manuals around here someplace.
[02:08:27] <Godsey> and the windows 3.1 addon
[02:08:34] <dclarke> well .. here it is in front of me all these years later runnign fine
[02:08:59] <dclarke> I have right here a genuine Solaris 2.5.1 media kit .. unopened
[02:09:07] <boyd> There was little technically wrong with the edsel, either..
[02:09:16] <Godsey> mine is open :) it's in a binder/folder
[02:09:18] <dclarke> it will be cool when QEMU is stable to run it there
[02:09:40] <dclarke> this is a really really slow machine
[02:09:47] <dclarke> Pentium P90
[02:09:56] <dclarke> I may scrap the Solaris and install DOS
[02:09:57] <Godsey> hehe :)
[02:10:04] <dclarke> just so I cna run Descent II
[02:10:12] <Godsey> I started w/ Solaris on a sparc2 clone and a p75
[02:10:21] <Godsey> which was later replaced w/ a p90 because of a division bug
[02:10:49] <dclarke> div bug in the P90 you mean ?
[02:10:54] <Gman> gisburn, bug id #6488593 for your TMPDIR bug in case you didn't get a reply yet
[02:11:00] <dclarke> I have a flawed Pentium P90 here
[02:11:03] <Godsey> I'm pretty sure I got a free upgrade from p75 to p90
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[02:11:26] <dclarke> I'll wait until Intel has a really cool processor before askingfor that swap
[02:11:39] <dclarke> they never released anything worth having
[02:11:48] <dclarke> so .. I still have the P90 here
[02:12:32] <Godsey> I started my isp w/ those 2 machines
[02:12:40] <Godsey> and a livingston portmaster pm2e30
[02:12:41] <dclarke> something else odd here is that I have an external Sun disk pack attached to it
[02:13:06] <dclarke> a Livingston portmaster ... ooooh .. great hardware
[02:13:13] <dclarke> the internet was built with those things
[02:13:28] <Godsey> I had a livingston irx router too but it was quickly replaced
[02:13:48] <gisburn> Gman: thanks! :-)
[02:13:51] <dclarke> I kinda like old funky hardware
[02:14:03] <dclarke> like I also have a DEC Alpha server
[02:14:04] <gisburn> Gman: any idea how likely is it that this suceeds in an ARC case ?
[02:14:09] <dclarke> wtf do I do with it ?
[02:14:12] <Gman> gisburn, no idea
[02:14:22] <Godsey> get a hobbiest license for openvms? :)
[02:14:37] <dclarke> I have never run openVMS or .. ven seen it
[02:14:44] <dclarke> I have heard good things
[02:14:57] <Godsey> don't worry, after you get used to file versions it's ok
[02:15:07] <Godsey> after all they ported pine to it, you don't have to suffer elm anymore! :)
[02:15:10] <dclarke> would be cool I guess ... kind of like having a British MGB
[02:15:21] <dclarke> ecept more safe
[02:15:46] <dclarke> pine .. the ultimate email client
[02:15:50] <dclarke> I miss pine
[02:16:11] <dclarke> I would set it up again but I have no idea how to deal with the MailDir format with it
[02:16:21] <Godsey> there is a huge patchset
[02:16:40] <Godsey> http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/info/maildir.html
[02:16:41] <dclarke> a huge patchset for pine ?
[02:16:59] <Godsey> ya, it includes all kinds of nifties like Maildir and threaded messaging
[02:19:03] <dclarke> I'll bookmark that
[02:19:19] <dclarke> one sec .. I need to figure out where my RAM went
[02:19:36] <dclarke> this machine is nearly swapping when I switch from desktop to desktop in JDS
[02:19:39] <Godsey> the "list of the latest updates" is full of googies
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[02:25:36] <stevel> tpenta: pong
[02:30:45] <Tpenta> stevel: 20061031?
[02:30:46] <gisburn> schilly really wins an award for being stupid.
[02:30:58] <gisburn> (at least today)
[02:31:01] <Error_404> ?
[02:31:04] * gisburn grumbles
[02:31:20] <stevel> tpenta: sorry, was rewhacking the putback log generation script... which is giving me issues
[02:31:23] <stevel> i'm just about done though
[02:31:35] <gisburn> Error_404: He managed to upset the person who is sponsoring the ksh93 backport to solaris 10... ;-(
[02:31:52] <Tpenta> i left a #$%^ } out of my modified encumbered bins script, that it found about 90 minute sinto the build :(
[02:32:09] <Error_404> oh, so nothing i care about
[02:32:21] <stevel> okay pushing now
[02:32:31] <gisburn> Who is john levon ?
[02:32:52] <Tpenta> I'm still building. ket's hope that was the only typo I insrted
[02:32:57] * stevel points to movement
[02:33:00] <jamesd__> an excellent mover and shaker of the solaris kernel team ;-p
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[02:34:02] <nachox> gisburn: what happened with shilly?
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[02:34:21] <gisburn> nachox: see my comment to Error_404
[02:34:45] <Tpenta> that'll show my putback from last week ;)
[02:35:20] <Tpenta> 30 or 31?
[02:35:37] * gisburn pokes movement
[02:35:44] <nachox> gisburn: tough luck, it will get ported eventually, do not worry
[02:36:05] <Godsey> I've copied itmpt and itmpt.conf to /kernel/drv
[02:36:12] <Godsey> how do I load it now? :)
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[03:02:35] <richlowe> Tpenta: we've all seen your putback from last week.  Great huh? :)
[03:02:48] <richlowe> Tpenta: and 30.
[03:02:59] <richlowe> Tpenta: the drops are dated ${CURRENT_DATE}-1
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[03:04:11] <Godsey> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=110632
[03:04:25] <Godsey> I posted there for now
[03:06:26] <richlowe> gisburn: ping?
[03:06:39] <gisburn> richlowe: pong.
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[03:42:43] <richlowe> evenin' stevel.
[03:42:57] <stevel> heya
[03:44:10] <richlowe> is the hg tools community planning to publicize the relevent bits of $gate/public?
[03:44:37] <Gman> hey stevel.
[03:44:40] <richlowe> ... publishing all of it would be good, obviously, but I've asked about that before and got nowhere.
[03:44:48] <richlowe> but since some of it is no completely relevant. :)
[03:44:56] <stevel> richlowe: yes. bonnie is starting due diligence on them this week
[03:44:57] <richlowe> s/no/now/
[03:45:02] <richlowe> stevel: k.
[03:45:04] <stevel> 'evening gman
[03:45:42] * richlowe still intends to be as useful in that regard as is possible.
[03:49:01] * stevel rewrote the changelog generation code to walk through the Mercurial repository instead of the SCCS/Teamware repository
[03:49:12] <stevel> which is why the new changelogs have regressed somewhat in tracking renames :(
[03:49:17] <richlowe> What would be real nifty, is doing the whole thing based on an hg template.
[03:49:21] <richlowe> (or style, whichever is the right one)
[03:49:29] <stevel> but the code is *sooooooo* much cleaner and better
[03:49:38] <stevel> hg template?
[03:49:43] <richlowe> hg log --template=...
[03:49:51] <movement> stevel, how does the external hg repo work? where does it actually live?
[03:49:52] <richlowe> or hg log --style=... I forget which is right in this context.
[03:50:02] <movement> I mean if you create a project one
[03:50:25] <stevel> movement: on the opensolaris.org servers off-swan
[03:50:28] <richlowe> if you create a new one, you take special care not to spam anyone with 3,000 notifications.
[03:50:32] <richlowe> that's the important bit here. ;)
[03:50:33] <movement> richlowe: heh
[03:50:43] <stevel> now now. let's not exaggerate
[03:50:48] <richlowe> stevel: 'hg tip'
[03:50:49] <stevel> it was only 2,000 ;-)
[03:51:05] <richlowe> 3061, would be the worst case.
[03:51:10] <movement> stevel: so how would I synch that with an internal repo?
[03:51:29] <stevel> movement: do 'hg push' from your internal to the external?
[03:51:30] <movement> our gate is somewhat unusual in that it's 3 inter-connected repos
[03:51:37] <richlowe> movement: 3?
[03:51:45] <richlowe> well, I won't derail you guys.
[03:51:48] <richlowe> but afterward, what's the 3rd? :)
[03:51:50] <movement> richlowe: sunos.hg, xen.hg and xen.hg MQ
[03:51:53] <stevel> richlowe: right - but we usually realise there is a mistake around the 2,000th putback and try to frantically cancel and abort things :-D
[03:52:10] <movement> stevel: oh, ok, so I can still directly access it via the proxies
[03:52:30] <richlowe> and I still can't make this bug re-occure.
[03:52:31] <stevel> movement: yup.  we're still measuring the effect of the proxies - but it seems to work okay
[03:52:36] <richlowe> it happened realiably for so, so long. :\
[03:52:38] <richlowe> then stopped.
[03:52:45] <richlowe> I guess that doesn't count as a fix, right? :)
[03:52:58] <stevel> movement: but if you run into a proxy problem, let us know... or you can use someone's machine who has direct internet access
[03:53:32] <movement> well I have to go through all the "create a project" stuff first anyway
[03:53:48] <movement> then see if I can work out how to do a commits list without spamming...
[03:54:38] <stevel> movement: create a -notify list or something, make sure nobody is subscribed to it - then seed it
[03:54:45] <stevel> once the initial 'hg push' is done, open it up for subscription
[03:54:57] <movement> stevel: problem is that one of our other gates takes changesets from upstream regularly
[03:55:20] <movement> and the other one is occassionally massively updated from upstream
[03:55:22] <richlowe> take them down, then push them back.
[03:55:28] <richlowe> Oh, that would suck though.
[03:56:05] <richlowe> movement: How would you handle usr/closed?
[03:56:26] <movement> richlowe: I'm not thinking of our ON gate right now at all
[03:56:27] <richlowe> since you're a project that could possibly flag between them.
[03:56:28] <movement> just the xen gate
[03:56:30] <richlowe> Ah, ok.
[03:56:36] <stevel> movement: ouch. hrm. this sounds like a candidacy for changegroup notification vs. changeset notification
[03:56:46] <richlowe> pity, I was hoping to see src v. closed flag days get worked out soon.
[03:56:54] <richlowe> Alan and I have talked about it a little, and I think stevel somewhat.
[03:56:58] <axisys> is there a recommended PATH environment to setup in /etc/profile so all sol 10 u2 sunray gets all bins
[03:57:15] <movement> richlowe: my limited time says that it's SEP
[03:57:16] <axisys> sunray users*
[03:57:27] <richlowe> movement: oh, no, I wasn't expecting *you* to work it out.
[03:57:33] <richlowe> movement: I was expecting you to make *stevel* work it out.
[03:57:34] <richlowe> huge difference. :)
[03:57:36] <movement> heh
[03:57:39] <richlowe> stevel hates me already, for a start ;)
[03:58:27] <stevel> rofl
[03:58:29] <movement> stevel: that (changegroup vs. changeset) is handled by the scm backend though presumably?
[03:59:09] <axisys> this should cover most of all PATH=$PATH:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/sfw/sbin:/opt/csw/bin:/opt/csw/sbi
[03:59:12] <axisys> n:/usr/openwin/bin
[03:59:13] <axisys> correct
[03:59:14] <axisys> ?
[03:59:21] <axisys> oops.. line broke
[03:59:24] <axisys> let me try again
[03:59:51] <axisys> PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/sfw/sbin:/opt/csw/bin:/opt/csw/sbin:/usr/openwin/bin
[04:00:02] <axisys> that should cover most path correct?
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[04:00:38] <stevel> movement: yeah, it'd be a hook on the opensolaris.org server
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[04:00:59] <axisys> i wish solaris would take care of paths like linux does
[04:01:00] <boyd> axisys: You shouldn't really have stuff in /usr/local on solaris
[04:01:22] <axisys> boyd: anything else?
[04:01:53] <boyd> Well, there may be other /opt/*/{,s}bin entries.
[04:01:58] <axisys> boyd: i also like to find a recommended path
[04:02:14] <boyd> and you may want to set MANPATH
[04:02:17] <axisys> boyd: oh yeah. forgot 'bout that
[04:02:34] <axisys> any recommeded list for manpath?
[04:02:50] <boyd> basically the same as path but s/bin/man
[04:03:05] <elektronkind> wee fios
[04:03:17] <boyd> the man page for man lists the default entries, which you must include if you modify it
[04:03:20] <axisys> boyd: i see lot of stuff in with */share/* dir
[04:03:37] <gisburn> boyd: Try
[04:03:39] <gisburn> MANPATH="$(sep="" ; echo "$PATH" | tr ":" "\n" | while read i ; do i="$(dirname "$i")" ; [ -d "${i}/man" ] && printf "%s%s" "$sep" "$i/man" ; sep=":" ; done)"
[04:03:40] <richlowe> many of those are symlinked, you don't want to include both.
[04:03:40] <boyd> Oh, yeah... sorry,  share/man is an option
[04:03:40] <axisys> boyd: nice.. let me check it put
[04:03:41] <gisburn> export PATH MANPATH
[04:04:01] <richlowe> and there's clearly something about segment drivers I'm not understanding.
[04:04:11] <axisys> gisburn: wow! cool!
[04:04:42] <boyd> My bashrc  and zshrc build them both dynamically. http://www.users.on.net/~boyd.adamson/  but note those are old revs and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH too
[04:04:43] <axisys> gisburn, boyd, so i can just set them in /etc/profile?
[04:04:56] <gisburn> axisys: yes
[04:05:00] <axisys> boyd: i try not to touch LD_LIBRARY_PATH :P
[04:05:03] <gisburn> axisys: see my example
[04:05:12] <axisys> gisburn: show me pls
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[04:05:18] <boyd> axisys: So do I nowadays... thats why the're old...
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[04:05:26] <gisburn> axisys: I mean see the shell code I posted to boyd
[04:05:30] * boyd should update his online copy
[04:05:51] <gisburn> axisys: it scanns the content of $PATH and sets $MANPATH based on this setting.
[04:06:29] <axisys> gisburn: oh i c.. gotcha..
[04:07:03] <axisys> boyd: so i have about 100 users.. i should just put yours (the url code) in /etc/profile?
[04:07:24] <axisys> boyd: i will just compile one from gisburn and yours
[04:07:30] <boyd> Hmm.. I haven't tried in in /etc/profile... it doesn't set any of the normal stuff there
[04:07:41] <boyd>  You could run it and then use the path it builds
[04:07:57] <axisys> boyd: cool
[04:09:08] <gisburn> axisys: erm
[04:09:18] <gisburn> axisys: the idea is to stick the line into /etc/profile
[04:09:34] <gisburn> axisys: that way your MANPATH will always be in sync with PATH
[04:09:35] <boyd> Yeah, that's what I meant
[04:09:41] <axisys> gisburn: yep
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[04:10:24] <gisburn> axisys: if you use ksh93 as login shell you can stick it in |function PATH.set { add_code_here }| which will then update MANPATH each time you set PATH
[04:10:58] <axisys> never used ksh93.. i saw a lot of discussins here tho
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[04:11:43] <boyd> I'm sure you did.
[04:12:16] <axisys> boyd: :-)
[04:12:30] <axisys> hope not triggering a shell war .. heh
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[04:14:49] <gisburn> Interesting...it appears that per http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ksh93-integration-discuss/ our little list is one of the most active in opensolaris... :-)
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[04:18:31] <axisys> boyd: trying to wget your bashrc
[04:18:40] <axisys> hmm sitting there
[04:18:58] <axisys> got it
[04:19:03] <boyd> I can't imagine why you could see the page but not fetch the file
[04:19:28] <boyd> :)
[04:19:47] <gisburn> license
[04:19:51] <Gman> gisburn, i'm sure it will be short term though
[04:20:22] <gisburn> boyd: seems you set the DRM to "view" but disabled "download", "execute" ot "think about it".
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[04:20:24] <gisburn> Gman: ?
[04:20:31] <boyd> Hehe
[04:20:38] <Gman> well, once it's integrated, fewer people will care
[04:20:43] <boyd> I should put a license on there, you're right
[04:20:49] <gisburn> ugh
[04:20:58] <gisburn> Gman: well, there is still the migration.
[04:21:03] <gisburn> Gman: (hopefully)
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[04:21:05] <boyd> "Here... I don't care what the hell you do with this"
[04:21:35] <richlowe> yeah, that's not exactly integration though.
[04:21:40] <gisburn> boyd: I suggest to add a "all rights reserved" to make sure the debian people will reject it.
[04:21:43] <richlowe> though how the project lifecycle works seems generally ill defined.
[04:22:10] * boyd isn't touching that
[04:22:12] <richlowe> boyd: you'd need a disclaimer, too.
[04:23:04] <gisburn> "Disclaimer: I, Boyd the mightty, disclaim all disclaims in my disclaimed powers. You're disclaimed. Thank all disclaimers."
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[04:23:33] <richlowe> I've always liked "If it works, you're luckier than I am"
[04:23:52] <gisburn> heh
[04:24:24] <boyd> I heard someone talking the other day about license/disclaimers. He characterised the difference between open source and closed source as: OS: "Here is some stuff that doesn't work, it doesn't even compile. It's complete garbage. Have fun" CS: "s/Have fun/That will be $200/"
[04:25:03] * gisburn chuckles.
[04:25:08] <gisburn> More!
[04:25:15] * gisburn wants MORE!
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[04:27:12] <boyd> Good grief. OpenBSD 4.0 released today has support for "New VAX framebuffer devices"
[04:27:29] <gisburn> boyd: New ?
[04:27:31] <elektronkind> you've got to respect their tenacity
[04:27:38] <boyd> New to them...
[04:27:41] <gisburn> ouch
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[04:28:30] <gisburn> Watch your pixels set step by step while rendering "hello wo<memory exhauPANICPANIC"
[04:28:53] * boyd wonders if we could port them to OpenSolaris to replace support for some of the ageing Sun cards.... then he hides.
[04:29:14] <gisburn> boyd: did VAX support sbus ?
[04:29:21] <boyd> Umm... no.
[04:29:30] <boyd> It was a joke
[04:29:41] * gisburn kicks boyd
[04:29:44] <elektronkind> you mean like cg3/6/zx ?
[04:29:49] * gisburn throws acid in his direction
[04:29:54] <elektronkind> high effor, low return
[04:30:01] <elektronkind> s/effor/effort
[04:30:27] * gisburn files a petition to get boyd executed in the public by komodo dragons
[04:30:29] * boyd reads more.
[04:30:52] <boyd> Amazing, it's actually part of entirely new support for X11 on VAX!
[04:31:01] <boyd> (new to OpenBSD)
[04:31:04] <LeftWing> Haha.
[04:31:33] <boyd> I couldn't make this up.
[04:31:43] <richlowe> You have seen the NetBSD sun2 port, right?
[04:32:17] <boyd> Not personally, but NetBSD has always been focussed on many platforms... OpenBSD not so much
[04:32:54] <richlowe> well, my point was that making stuff you *do* support better doesn't seem so comical, I guess.
[04:33:02] <richlowe> especially as compared to adding new support for such things.
[04:33:16] <boyd> Indeed
[04:40:45] <richlowe> mdb: failed to allocate 3299577870448 bytes -- terminating
[04:40:50] <jafari> i have a Netra X1 and i know it doesnt contain a cd-rom
[04:40:52] <richlowe> that's probably not good.
[04:41:15] <jafari> i have a TDK connected to a ide cable i found avaiable in the server
[04:41:24] <jafari> how can i get it to boot from a CD
[04:41:33] <jafari> at the ok prompt i type boot cdrom
[04:41:48] <jafari> but all that happens is that the systems reboots
[04:41:49] <jafari> ?
[04:42:03] <jafari> ok test-all
[04:42:03] <jafari> Testing /pci@1f,0/ide@d
[04:42:03] <jafari> Rejecting alloc-mem!
[04:42:20] <jafari> anyone can help me?
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[04:45:35] <jafari> at boot time i see something like this -> Probing /pci@1f,0 Device d ide disk cdrom
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[06:16:39] <Tpenta> steve, just the man i'm looking for
[06:16:47] <Tpenta> on-src ???
[06:16:57] <richlowe> mercurial, iirc.
[06:17:01] <richlowe> see the discussion on tools-discuss.
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[06:17:34] <stevel> tpenta: i got rid of it for nightly deliveries
[06:17:37] <richlowe> if I'm right, you'll want source from 11pm pacific time, on monday. (I think), if you want to line up precisely.
[06:17:38] <Tpenta> hmmm not on that, perhaps i should be
[06:17:53] <richlowe> which happily should coincide precisely with the onnv_52 tag, in this instance.
[06:17:58] <Tpenta> ahh
[06:18:09] <Tpenta> stevel, perhaps there shoudl be some text on the download page?
[06:18:10] <richlowe> and Yes, you should be on tools-discuss.
[06:18:28] <Tpenta> nd stuff is up anyway (now that jurassic is back)
[06:18:52] <richlowe> ... your homedir isn't on jurassic, is it?
[06:18:53] <stevel> tpenta: sure, i can add something to the downloads page re: how to get source
[06:18:59] <Tpenta> i just noticed it's absence when i regenerated the index.html
[06:19:06] <richlowe> Ah, whew.
[06:19:19] * richlowe couldn't begin to imagine how a ~ on the exact opposite side of the planet would suck
[06:19:47] <Tpenta> I had to start my builds again, I left a right brace out of a variable name, and it tripped over it about 90 minutes in
[06:20:39] <Tpenta> the nice thing is that my encumbered-bins build no longer has the kludge in it that that perl build bug forced on me :-D
[06:21:24] <stevel> excellent
[06:21:46] <Tpenta> do we have mercurial in ON yet? I can't remember
[06:21:52] <stevel> it's in SFW
[06:21:56] <stevel> as of snv_45
[06:22:07] <Tpenta> ok, I asked teh wrong questoin, I shoudl have said in SXCR ;)
[06:22:41] <richlowe> it's only 0.9 though, so you miss a couple of goodies as far as actually using it.
[06:22:54] <richlowe> ... except it's 0.9.1 now.
[06:22:58] <richlowe> damn things changing under me.
[06:23:10] <stevel> really? when did it become 0.9.1?
[06:23:15] <richlowe> snv_50 I guess.
[06:23:20] <richlowe> either that, or this isn't the machine I think it is.
[06:23:29] <richlowe> nope, it is.  Must have been _50
[06:23:38] <stevel> my snv_51 machine reports version 0.9
[06:23:46] <richlowe> > /usr/bin/hg version
[06:23:46] <richlowe> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 0.9.1)
[06:23:54] <Tpenta> so does mine
[06:24:09] <stevel> mine says version 0.9
[06:24:12] <richlowe> ... are you guys using the DSCM packages maybe?
[06:24:25] <stevel> did you install the updated SUNWmercurial package posted in the tools community?
[06:24:31] <stevel> richlowe: nope, that would be in /opt/dscm/bin/hg
[06:24:36] <richlowe> I see 0.9.1 on sparc, too.
[06:24:37] <stevel> i'm running /usr/bin/hg
[06:24:39] <richlowe> did it perhaps revert in 51?
[06:24:55] <stevel> hrm. odd
[06:24:58] <Tpenta> vesvi-26% /usr/bin/hg version
[06:24:58] <Tpenta> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 0.9)
[06:24:58] <Tpenta> vesvi-27% uname -a
[06:24:58] <Tpenta> SunOS vesvi 5.11 snv_51 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-80
[06:25:00] <richlowe> I can't have screwed up *3* machines like this.
[06:25:11] <richlowe> ... at least, I hope I can't.
[06:25:29] <richlowe> Oh, hm.  I may just be dumb.
[06:26:03] <stevel> :)
[06:26:14] <richlowe> > (/usr/bin/hg version | head -1) && (PYTHONPATH="" /usr/bin/hg version | head -1)
[06:26:17] <richlowe> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 0.9.1)
[06:26:18] <Tpenta> steve, did you see the halloween pics on my blog?
[06:26:20] <richlowe> Mercurial Distributed SCM (version 0.9)
[06:26:26] <richlowe> ... well, that's good to know, at least. :)
[06:26:31] <stevel> ahh
[06:26:34] <stevel> tpenta: not yet
[06:26:48] <Tpenta> we *really* did up the house
[06:27:27] <gisburn> Tpenta: screwed-up ?
[06:28:01] <Tpenta> nope
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[06:46:51] <Error_404> hmm.... j2ee, php or rails
[06:50:21] <Elendal> ksh-cgi
[06:51:30] <Error_404> feh, ksh
[06:53:16] <Gr|ffous> I've been living under a rock (apparently), and I've missed the buzz around ksh
[06:53:26] <Gr|ffous> so... it's yet-another-shell.... and?
[06:53:51] <Error_404> Gr|ffous: it's like a real shell, but less stable & more resource intensive
[06:53:54] <Error_404> heh
[06:54:09] <richlowe> I guess gisburn fell asleep? :)
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[06:55:11] <Gr|ffous> I'm guessing it just had better built-in functions, more scripting? that kind of thing? Or is it something completely new that deserves my attention?
[06:55:30] <Error_404> beats me
[06:55:40] <Error_404> gisburn wrote a mandlebrot generator in ksh
[06:56:27] <Error_404> which you could almost certainly do in bash as well, it's more a question of "should you"
[06:56:53] <richlowe> beyond corner cases, the majority of recent interest in ksh93 surrounds updating the existing ksh (88).
[06:57:05] <richlowe> and is probably only really interesting if you're using the existing ksh.
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[07:00:11] <sahafeez> question for the sake of argument - if you were using xorg on a sparc with a upa card - does the card have a pci id if you wanted to run dual head -
[07:00:57] <Gr|ffous> hmm
[07:01:30] <richlowe> It has an ID of some nature, but probably not a PCI ID.  And I believe the sparc FB stuff does most of it's work through the FB devices, rather than explicitly as on x86.  I'd expect that to stay true if it was Xorg rather than Xsun, though maybe I'm wrong.
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[07:01:50] <richlowe> s/FB/X/ (for the first instance of FB in that)
[07:02:22] <sahafeez> ok, so if xorg on sparc with 2 upa cards how do you id them - on a pci you put the pciid of the card
[07:02:38] <sahafeez> for example 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:1"
[07:02:39] <gdamore> i would imagine driver and instance number.
[07:02:55] <gisburn> Error_404: bash has no floating-point math
[07:02:58] <gdamore> xorg's knowledge of PCI ids is brain damaged.  it should rely on the OS enumeration.
[07:03:26] <gisburn> Error_404: and ksh93 is more stable than Sun's ksh.
[07:03:33] <gisburn> Error_404: even the current alpha
[07:03:40] <richlowe> am I the only one that finds it hard to separate 'gdamore' and 'gisburn' when they're talking close together?
[07:04:02] <gdamore> ??
[07:04:09] <Gr|ffous> heh, it is a little odd
[07:04:25] <gisburn> Error_404: so far I know more than 20 ways to crash solaris /usr/bin/ksh, drive it in an endless loop or make it consume swap until it dumps core.
[07:04:32] <richlowe> gdamore: g in the same place, r in the same place, similar shapes in general, I guess.
[07:04:38] <gdamore> ah.
[07:04:53] <gdamore> i think our opinions would be sufficiently different to be easy to tell us apart. :-)
[07:05:01] <gisburn> richlowe: gdamore is just my alternative nick in another alternative clone universe.
[07:05:10] * richlowe would hope any BusID equivalent would point at the device node, and not be randomly numeric at all.
[07:05:19] * gdamore smacks gisburn.  :-)
[07:05:35] <gisburn> gdamore: congratulations. Your're responsible that another software vendor may abandon solaris as platform.
[07:05:48] <gdamore> huh? how so?
[07:05:53] <sahafeez> yes - even more since the topic is always ksh93 or a dragon of some sort
[07:06:11] <richlowe> I really don't care where on the bus a frame buffer is.  I shouldn't have to know, it should know for me. :)
[07:06:23] <gdamore> richlowe++
[07:06:32] <gdamore> this is what the OS' path_to_inst is for.
[07:06:35] <gisburn> gdamore: see /msg
[07:07:06] <gdamore> you should just know that the driver's name and a  "random" (but persistant) instance number
[07:07:16] <gdamore> brb
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[07:38:46] <gisburn> good night
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[07:43:24] <elektronkind> finally got my 15Mb/s service to my house today
[07:43:49] <elektronkind> downloading b50 iso images at ~1000KB/s rocks
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[07:48:03] <Capricorn^80> need some help in this error . ld.so.1: ns: fatal: libtk8.4.so: open failed: No such file or directory
[07:48:26] <Capricorn^80> i have added libtk8.4.so path to default path
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[07:51:55] <yakov> hi
[07:52:37] <yakov> guys, i'v puted /usr on separate slice (dont ask why) and svc can't mount it now
[07:52:50] <yakov> when i boot ''normally''
[07:53:12] <yakov> when i boot from ''filesafe'' i do can mount /usr (mount /dev/dsk/c0d0s6 /usr)
[07:53:29] <yakov> could you pls help me 0 how can i make svc mount /usr?
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[07:54:22] <Tpenta> do you have it in /etc/vfstab?
[07:55:52] <yakov> yep
[07:56:01] <yakov> it was putted there by install program
[07:56:12] <Capricorn^80> need some help in this error . ld.so.1: ns: fatal: libtk8.4.so: open failed: No such file or directory
[07:56:17] <Capricorn^80> i have added libtk8.4.so path to default path
[07:56:45] <PosixC> there is  ON nightly: 20061030; but there is not src.tar.gz in http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ not there is no .hg under http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/hg-build-snapshots/ ; so where can I get the code ?
[07:56:54] <PosixC> for  20061030 ?
[07:57:11] <Tpenta> use hg to grab it
[07:57:24] <Tpenta> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=15748&tstart=0
[07:57:41] <PosixC> reading...
[08:00:31] <yakov> Tpenta, note that i do can mount it from failsafe..
[08:00:32] <PosixC> hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
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[08:01:18] <PosixC> adding changesets...
[08:02:06] <PosixC> will this install 20061030?
[08:02:15] <richlowe> If you have a pre-existing hg workspace based on the bundles, you can just hg pull -u <gate path>
[08:02:24] <richlowe> Not quite, no.
[08:02:32] <richlowe> the mercurial repo is a live mirror of the internal gate.
[08:02:37] <PosixC> It is first time
[08:02:50] <richlowe> it'll get you source as of about 9pm Pacific time (when the last putback was)
[08:03:07] <PosixC> I see; so what I understand that 20061030 can't be downloaded currently !
[08:03:18] <PosixC> there is no tar.bz
[08:03:19] <richlowe> ... but you can get *entirely* up to date code.
[08:03:28] <PosixC> richlowe, OK, i see
[08:03:42] <richlowe> literally, the last delta in the onnv-gate in opensolaris.org is from 2 hours ago.
[08:03:45] <richlowe> surely that's better? :)
[08:03:50] <PosixC> it's enough for me !
[08:03:56] <PosixC> good I mean !
[08:04:55] <Tpenta> :)
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[08:05:23] <yakov> huh
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[08:41:20] <yakov> what actions should be performed in order to boot when HDD with sol 10 is inserted into another machine?
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[08:51:17] <Error_404> yakov: touch /reconfigure
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[09:01:52] <yakov> Error_404, it presents
[09:02:04] <Error_404> ?
[09:02:53] <yakov> i has /reconfigure on my root fs
[09:02:58] <yakov> err have.
[09:03:16] <Error_404> then you're done. reboot
[09:03:24] <yakov> ok, thanks.
[09:03:42] <yakov> i must boot into normal? or filesafe?
[09:03:54] <Gr|ffous> any perl hackers in here?
[09:04:06] <Error_404> just normal
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[09:12:55] <bobbyz> Hello, I am interested in using opensolaris as an openafs server on my network.  The machine I am planning to use has 4 160gb SATA drives on a Promise TX4 PCI sata controller.  I was checking hardware compatibility for the tx4 and at the moment it is unsupported, but there is a RFE bug report on the bug tracker.  The only thing is that it says Votes:0.  Is this something I can add my own vote for or do the votes even matter?
[09:13:29] <bobbyz> I've registered an opensolaris account and logged in, but see no voting button on the bug report  :)
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[09:16:10] <Error_404> i know of no "voting on bugs"
[09:16:13] <Error_404> *shrug*
[09:16:33] <SymmWork> hrm
[09:16:35] <bobbyz> ehh, ok.  I was just curious because it had that field displayed
[09:16:41] <SymmWork> sconadm is running
[09:16:44] <SymmWork> its just sitting there
[09:16:47] <SymmWork> doing nadda
[09:16:48] <Error_404> you could always write the driver :)
[09:16:49] <SymmWork> :p dammit
[09:17:43] <bobbyz> the bug (http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6422145) does say "In progress, request for enhancement" -- Does that mean someone is currently writing a driver or does the "In progress" status mean simply that the bug report is open
[09:17:57] <Error_404> it means the bug is open
[09:18:02] <bobbyz> gotcha
[09:18:34] <bobbyz> well, if I had the faintest idea of how to write a driver I'd do it, but my C skills are remedial at best
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[09:19:38] <Error_404> your fastest solution would probably to buy a better SATA controller card
[09:20:17] <bobbyz> Error_404: do you have any in particular that you recommend?  I'd be looking for one that can handle at least 4, if not 8, SATA drives
[09:21:06] <Error_404> i've heard good things about the silicon image cards
[09:21:10] <Error_404> the 3114 in particular
[09:21:19] <bobbyz> Error_404: thanks, I'll look into it
[09:21:21] <SymmWork> error
[09:21:25] <SymmWork> ooops
[09:21:26] <SymmWork> bobby
[09:21:29] <SymmWork> if you want a good card
[09:21:32] <SymmWork> for handling sata drives
[09:21:35] <SymmWork> with the option to raid them
[09:21:41] <SymmWork> look at the LSI MegaRaid raid controller
[09:21:56] <SymmWork> you can run the drives off that in straight normal mode as well
[09:22:01] <Gr|ffous> bobbyz, I use a supermicro SATA-MV8, it works very well
[09:22:02] <SymmWork> but you can put 6 SATA drives on it
[09:22:10] <bobbyz> SymmWork: supported on opensolaris?
[09:22:11] <SymmWork> it depends if you want the RAID capabilities
[09:22:16] <Error_404> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815124020
[09:22:23] <quasi> Gr|ffous: yeah, I'd go for that too
[09:22:33] <Error_404> there you go... 4 port Sil3114 card, well supported.. $20
[09:22:36] <SymmWork> bobby, there is a driver for the LSI megaraid sata controller yes, it depends, if you want to boot off oneof those sata disks
[09:22:39] <SymmWork> and install directly onto them
[09:22:43] <SymmWork> you need a modified miniroot image
[09:22:46] <SymmWork> and boot dvd
[09:22:57] <SymmWork> (Im busy doing that right now myself, making myself one, though its not that hard)
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[09:23:14] <Error_404> what a disgusting hack
[09:23:37] <bobbyz> SymmWork: I don't mind using IDE to boot.  Thanks Gr|ffous, SymmWork, and Error_404.  I'll look into all of those
[09:23:41] <SymmWork> just unpack the miniroot on another solaris machine, insert the driver, repack and make the dvd again
[09:23:46] <Error_404> n/p
[09:23:52] <SymmWork> error errr why is inserting a driver into the miniroot
[09:23:53] <Triskelios> we're using 2 or 3 of the cards Error_404 linked to, btw
[09:23:54] <SymmWork> a disgusting hack?
[09:24:28] <bobbyz> Triskelios: good to know.  I'll prolly just order one of those tomorrow
[09:24:46] <SymmWork> dpool                  1.1T   140G   954G    13%    /mirror/internal
[09:24:51] <SymmWork> that there is on megaraid
[09:25:04] <asyd> 1
[09:25:27] <SymmWork> hrm
[09:25:34] <SymmWork> still trying to figure out why sconadm just sits there
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[09:26:07] <Gr|ffous> Can't resist, here's mine on the MV8: Z                      638G  1.23T   638G  /Z
[09:26:12] <quasi> Error_404: what kind of chipset is on the syba card?
[09:26:12] <SymmWork> heh
[09:26:17] <SymmWork> gr most of my big space
[09:26:20] <SymmWork> is on iSCSI
[09:26:26] <Error_404> quasi: sil3114
[09:26:29] <SymmWork> /dev/dsk/c0d0s7        362G    10G   349G     3%    /export/home
[09:26:30] <SymmWork> dpool                  1.1T   140G   954G    13%    /mirror/internal
[09:26:30] <SymmWork> apool                  3.8T   2.6T   1.2T    69%    /mirror/iscsi-san-1
[09:26:30] <SymmWork> bpool                  3.8T   515G   3.3T    14%    /mirror/iscsi-san-2
[09:26:30] <SymmWork> cpool                  3.8T   2.8G   3.8T     1%    /mirror/iscsi-san-3
[09:26:34] * SymmWork couldnt resist :p
[09:26:47] <SymmWork> hehe
[09:26:48] * Gr|ffous ROFLs
[09:26:53] <quasi> Error_404: ah, so I wonder if I can make my 3112 work
[09:27:02] <Error_404> it's supported apparantly
[09:27:42] <bobbyz> SymmWork: jeeze man.  That's a lot of storage  :)
[09:27:43] <quasi> it doesn't show up with http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html
[09:27:55] * Gr|ffous still isn't convinced on the iscsi front
[09:28:14] <SymmWork> gr, iSCSI works if you use good HBA;s
[09:28:24] <Gr|ffous> SymmWork, is your's connected using a dedicated or shared switching fabric?
[09:28:25] <SymmWork> good HBA's and decent SAN's
[09:28:40] <SymmWork> gr, those san's are linked cross-over cable per san between a dedicated HBA and the SAN
[09:28:59] <quasi> Gr|ffous: if you're not convinced about iscsi, then read http://www.matasano.com/log/91/everything-you-need-to-know-about-iscsi-if-you-have-5-minutes-to-learn/
[09:29:04] <SymmWork> I had them running through a shared switching fabric, and it worked fine, was more a security thing that I did it this way
[09:29:13] <Error_404> quasi: i've seen a bunch of reports of the 3112 working
[09:29:22] <Error_404> so the app is probably wrong
[09:29:22] <Gr|ffous> AH, that I can understand, I'd be more comfortable with that configuration, I'm still nervous about sharing infrastructure
[09:29:23] <SymmWork> the shared switching fabric works, if you have good switches
[09:29:42] <SymmWork> gr, yeah the switching stuff works, its just a security thing that worries me a bit
[09:29:47] <SymmWork> even with its authentication etc
[09:29:49] <Gr|ffous> quasi, heh, well I have 5 minutes... can't argue with that ;)
[09:30:08] <SymmWork> gr, but if you're gonna switch, I'd use something top notch, we're using 3750g switches in that rack
[09:30:09] <quasi> Error_404: either that or I managed to turn it off at one point ;)
[09:30:14] <SymmWork> thats what I had it on originally
[09:30:19] <SymmWork> <3 my 3750G's
[09:30:26] <Gr|ffous> hehe
[09:30:30] <SymmWork> unfortunatly 3750 = $$$
[09:30:36] <Gr|ffous> that they do...
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[09:30:49] <Gr|ffous> and all their qos etc would be wasted too
[09:30:56] <SymmWork> though you wouldnt really need a layer 3 switch
[09:31:01] <SymmWork> you could get a top of the line layer 2 gigE
[09:31:15] <Gr|ffous> ooh ooh, 3com! *ducks*
[09:31:22] <SymmWork> gr, the switch fabric would probably be safe if you vlan'ed it
[09:31:29] <SymmWork> and then put private ips on the vlan
[09:31:57] <SymmWork> would be kinda hard to hit if you had the HBA's and the SAN's on RFC1918 addresses on a private non-trunked vlan
[09:31:58] <SymmWork> :p
[09:32:27] <Gr|ffous> SymmWork, VLANs are something that I'm quite comfortable with, it's more the physical redundancy that worries me, or backplane capacity - though these days any switch worth buying will be wirespeed nonblocking
[09:32:59] <SymmWork> yeah the physical redundancy can be an issue, but the SAN's do have dual nic's in them (the good ones)
[09:33:04] <SymmWork> so you can run them into 2 seperate switches
[09:33:15] <SymmWork> and have dual mount points into the SAN
[09:33:16] <SymmWork> hrm
[09:33:21] <SymmWork> I'd have to play with that a bit :)
[09:33:40] <SymmWork> heh, btw, if you're going with those san's I highly recommend the intel SSR212MA's
[09:33:49] <SymmWork> with Qlogic 4050x HBA's
[09:34:07] <SymmWork> those 4050 HBA's are fairly pricey (about a grand for a single port card)
[09:34:10] <SymmWork> but they work flawlessly
[09:34:25] <SymmWork> also, other thing to remeber about iSCSI, for god sakes, run 9000 MTU :p
[09:34:35] <SymmWork> it will give you a 70% increase in performance
[09:35:13] <razrX> SymmWork: that's a drastic performance improvement
[09:35:32] <SymmWork> razrX yes, the performance increases from large MTU's are very very big
[09:35:36] <SymmWork> but its the same with NFS
[09:35:43] <SymmWork> NFS will give you at least 40% on a 9000 MTU
[09:36:19] <Gr|ffous> SymmWork, I'm wating on some quotes for an entrylevel SAN at work actually. I'll hopefully have some pricing back later this week.
[09:36:22] <razrX> that applies to NFSv3 and v4?
[09:36:51] <SymmWork> razrX yes
[09:36:58] <SymmWork> if you can get 9k MTU's end to end
[09:37:01] <SymmWork> and your switches support it
[09:37:02] <SymmWork> use it
[09:37:14] <mrdeviant> that's interesting. i haven't seen anywhere near that much of a perf. improvement when using jumbo frames
[09:37:16] <razrX> interesting
[09:37:27] <razrX> mrdeviant: neither
[09:37:30] <SymmWork> mrdeviant I've seen *HUGE* increases
[09:37:33] <SymmWork> on my network
[09:37:44] <mrdeviant> i've only seen single-digit improvements with iperf
[09:38:08] <bobbyz> Triskelios: how long have you had those syba sata cards running?  I ask because some of the reviews on newegg say theirs worked originally and that started corrupting data.  But if you guys say they work well I'll just drop the $20 and try it
[09:38:34] <SymmWork> mrdeviant my tests have been more time based on large transfers etc, transferring a coupla hundred gigs with and a coupla hundred gigs without
[09:38:47] <SymmWork> between san's when you're running SAN1 -> machine -> SAN2
[09:38:50] <trygvis> morgen
[09:38:50] <SymmWork> shit like that
[09:39:12] <quasi> trygvis: it is?
[09:39:27] <Triskelios> bobbyz: since April
[09:39:35] <bobbyz> Triskelios: sounds good, thanks
[09:39:38] <quasi> SymmWork: you haven't tried filebench for some real torture testing?
[09:39:52] <Triskelios> bobbyz: no data corruption on our pools so far
[09:39:55] <trygvis> quasi: it is there :)
[09:40:37] <bobbyz> sweet, I'm going to order one right now then
[09:40:40] <bobbyz> thanks a lot everyonr
[09:40:55] <SymmWork> quasi I need to actually try that at some point
[09:41:08] <SymmWork> but heh, copying 2.8 terabytes from one san to another
[09:41:09] <yakov> who is on ADSL?
[09:41:12] <SymmWork> put it through its paces as well :)
[09:41:24] <SymmWork> (and still took a LONG time)
[09:41:38] <trygvis> err, here
[09:42:13] <quasi> trygvis: is here as well even if it feels like night
[09:43:40] <quasi> SymmWork: the single file copying is a single threaded operation and may hit so many other bottlenecks that the numbers are pretty useless unless copying large files is all you do ;)
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[09:45:38] <SymmWork> heh quasi all it does is serve (generally) large files :)
[09:45:41] <SymmWork> its a mirror server :p
[09:45:42] <SymmWork> hehe
[09:46:12] <SymmWork>      217
[09:46:13] <SymmWork> wheee
[09:46:25] <quasi> SymmWork: but you probably serve more than one client at a time and they're probably on slower connections
[09:46:55] <SymmWork> quasi yeah true
[09:47:23] <SymmWork> heh actually 99% of the traffic to and from that box, is on the mozilla mirrors
[09:47:32] <SymmWork> heh and Im pretty sure most of that is cached in ram
[09:47:37] <SymmWork>  1573615 mozilla_access_log
[09:47:40] <SymmWork> ^^^ since sunday night
[09:49:05] <SymmWork> heh interesting to watch how many v6 hits Im taking
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[09:52:08] <silent> hi everybody, I need help .
[09:53:07] <silent> I have a excutable file, and I added it to /etc/inittab, gd:2345:respawn:/sbin/gd
[09:53:38] <silent> but after init q , it not started, but inface it can be executed by hand
[09:55:04] <silent> I can not find out why it is failed, the one different between it and other bin file is :
[09:55:06] <silent> ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC32PLUS Version 1, V8+ Required, dynamically linked
[09:55:25] <silent> others are :ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked
[09:56:17] <silent> anyone know it ?
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[09:56:53] <silent> or what gcc opnion can make ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked file
[09:58:57] 
[09:59:25] <PosixC> I ran : hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[09:59:26] <PosixC> requesting all changes
[09:59:26] <PosixC>
[09:59:31] <PosixC> it was an hour ago...
[09:59:40] <PosixC> I am in adding file changes...
[09:59:58] <PosixC> is something wrong ? or is it always takes hours ???
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[10:00:16] <PosixC> did anybody tried it recently?
[10:02:30] 
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[10:20:16] <PosixC> I ran : hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate
[10:20:17] <PosixC> requesting all changes
[10:20:17] <PosixC>
[10:20:17] <PosixC> it was an hour ago...
[10:20:17] <PosixC> I am in adding file changes...
[10:20:18] <PosixC> is something wrong ? or is it always takes hours ???
[10:20:44] <PosixC> nothing new yet, so I am repeating this question from half an hour ago...
[10:22:55] <timeless> silent: did you try man gcc? specifically -mcpu
[10:23:58] <timeless> possibly -mno-v8plus
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[10:38:10] <Fish> hello
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[11:15:51] <coolvibe> hm, format doesn't want me to analyse refresh a disk that's mounted. Problem is that I cannot unmount it because the root filesystem is on there. Any ideas?
[11:16:08] <lasseoe> boot from net/cd
[11:17:01] <coolvibe> that's what I thought of already, I can get to a console, but I can't put in an install media or netboot it
[11:17:18] <coolvibe> damn thing is not in the same building :P
[11:18:51] <Peanut> coolvibe: it doesn't happen to be on an SVM mirror, the / filesytem?
[11:19:02] <coolvibe> Peanut: nope
[11:19:20] <coolvibe> otherwise I could indeed break the mirror
[11:19:26] <Peanut> *nod*
[11:19:41] <coolvibe> *scratches head*
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[11:20:31] <coolvibe> any way I can force the system to fsck all filesystems?
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[12:29:27] <sickness> morning all
[12:29:45] <Gman> hi sickness
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[13:46:30] <lloy0076> *hmmm*
[13:46:47] <lloy0076> If I only want the binary only BFU, I don't need the FULL ON BFU archives, or do I?
[13:46:50] <lloy0076> I'm not building from source.
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[14:18:22] <Azureus> I want to create an iso from linux so that I will be able to mount if from solaris; mkisofs in linux create an iso9660 file by default; will I be able to mount this from solaris ? I think that there is no support to iso9660 in solaris
[14:19:08] <Auralis> yes it will work, HSFS is iso9660
[14:19:56] <Azureus> Auralis, ok, I will try
[14:20:10] <oxygene> Azureus: the only caveat is that solaris doesn't support joliet (the microsoft stuff for long filenames) yet (but joerg is working on it, I think) - so you have to use rockridge (you can use rr and joliet in parallel)
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[14:21:27] <Azureus> oxygene, thnks ; if I want to create a simple iso, NOT bootable , without joliet and without rockridge, will it be OK?
[14:21:52] <Azureus> for example, mkisofs -l -o forSolaris.iso forSolaris/
[14:22:23] <Azureus> I only want to mount it from solaris and copy some files, that's all
[14:22:37] <oxygene> should work.. adding rr would be easy, though :-) "-r"
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[14:24:42] <Azureus> ok
[14:24:50] <Azureus> thnks
[14:25:52] <icon> morning all
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[14:29:13] <coolvibe> damn fire drills
[14:29:29] <coolvibe> had to leave the damn building
[14:29:42] <lloy0076> *hmmm*
[14:31:05] <coolvibe> yeah, and I was in the zone
[14:31:09] <coolvibe> grmbl
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[14:34:20] <Azureus> anothe question : I tried to do it with diskonkey from linux, namely copying files to the USB key, than mounting it from soalris and copying these files from the USB key
[14:34:21] <jafari> can you do any raid at an inital install?
[14:35:16] <Auralis> jafari: not from a disk based install
[14:35:24] <Azureus> But : on linux, ufs is only read only ! so if I create  ufs file system on the USB key I will not be able to write it
[14:35:35] <Azureus> is there a way to do it with a USB key?
[14:35:41] <Auralis> use FAT on the usb stick
[14:36:17] <Azureus> Auralis, ok, thnks!
[14:36:40] <Azureus> and mount it with pcfs?
[14:36:44] <Azureus> is pcfs=fat?
[14:36:57] <Auralis> right, if the automounter doesn't gets it first :)
[14:37:02] <jafari> when am doing a disk based install , am i suppose to see all 20 hdd?
[14:37:09] <jafari> i only see 4
[14:37:22] <jafari> [ ] c0t0d0 8680 MB
[14:37:22] <jafari> [ ] c0t1d0 17498 MB
[14:37:22] <jafari> [ ] c0t2d0 17498 MB
[14:37:22] <jafari> [ ] c0t3d0 34730 MB
[14:37:27] <coolvibe> labels could be broken on the other disks
[14:37:29] <Auralis> jafari: if the box has 20 disk, then you are supposed to see them all yes
[14:37:44] <jafari> oh
[14:37:54] <coolvibe> check if format sees them all
[14:38:09] <jafari> i dont have a os on it yet
[14:38:33] <jafari> should i finish the install first, than run the format command?
[14:39:27] <coolvibe> well, you could first install solaris on a disk, yes, and then add the others later
[14:39:52] <coolvibe> you can also boot the install media in single user
[14:40:19] <coolvibe> this will give you a shell, and it has tools like format and prtconf
[14:41:05] <jafari> ok
[14:42:22] <jafari> is 8g good enough for an OS install
[14:42:34] <coolvibe> for a basic install, sure
[14:42:35] <Azureus> Auralis, one last one: I am doing now fdisl on the diskonket,create a partition; what type to give it ? is 6  (FAT16)     is ok?
[14:42:56] <Azureus> or should i use b  W95 FAT32
[14:43:25] <Auralis> both should work
[14:43:30] <jafari> i have 4 hdd that i can format one is 8680MB , two is 17498MB and another 34730
[14:43:33] <jafari> MB
[14:43:35] <Azureus> Auralis, thnks again
[14:43:49] <jafari> i want to do a raid 1 for / -> root
[14:44:03] <jafari> and a raid 5 for the rest
[14:44:36] <jafari> do the rest of drive have to be the same size in capcity fo rme to do any raid?
[14:44:39] <coolvibe> jafari: first check with format and prtconf if at least the machine sees all your disks
[14:45:06] <coolvibe> for raid1 and 5, disks should be the same
[14:45:19] <coolvibe> if you concatenate or stripe, it doesn't matter afaik
[14:45:57] <jafari> whats stripe
[14:46:23] <jafari> does it make all disk look like one and i loss out on space
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[14:59:26] <lasseoe> jafari, google for RAID
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[16:04:39] <hile_> morning mrdeviant
[16:05:25] <mrdeviant> hi
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[16:27:31] <hile_> bah, stupid UPS taking forever
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[16:49:23] <Cybernd> bootadm tells me that /boot/solaris/bin/create_ramdisk fails. How to find out, why it fails?
[16:51:51] <jamesd> truss? dtrace?
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[16:55:36] <Cybernd> trying truss
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[16:58:05] <axisys> i installed solaris express b48. what is the recommended way to upgrade firefox to 2.0. it comes with 1.5
[16:58:48] <oxygene> download the package, install it, use /opt/sfw/bin/firefox instead of sxb48's firefox
[16:59:50] <axisys> oxygene: do u know where i can get the pkg.. i am looking in firefox.. no mention of solaris
[17:00:14] <axisys> oxygene: did u mean use pkg-get install firefox?
[17:00:26] <oxygene> mozilla.com/org has it under contributed builds
[17:00:35] <hile_> from the ftp site;
[17:00:39] <hile_> what oxygene said...
[17:01:13] <axisys> looking for the contributed build
[17:01:14] <oxygene> mozilla.com -> free download -> at the bottom of the page: firefox-2.0.en-US.solaris10-(i386|sparc)-pkg.bz2
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[17:02:22] <Symmetria> heh
[17:02:28] <Symmetria> axisys if you cant find it there
[17:02:33] <axisys> i c see.
[17:02:40] <Symmetria> its almost definately on mozilla.mirror.ac.za
[17:02:45] <icon> i usually just go to ftp.mozilla.org
[17:02:46] <Symmetria> if you browse around there
[17:02:47] <axisys> thnx guys
[17:03:04] <Symmetria> I carry one of the official mozilla mirrors
[17:03:27] <Symmetria> heh yeah ftp.mozilla works as well *shrug* not sure if its http browseable but it might be, or use an ftp client
[17:03:32] <icon> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/
[17:03:35] <icon> it is
[17:03:50] <icon> installs to /opt/sfw
[17:04:56] <Symmetria> http://mozilla.mirror.ac.za/firefox/releases/2.0/contrib/solaris_pkgadd/
[17:05:00] <Symmetria> wheee
[17:05:03] <Symmetria> :) I got those as well
[17:05:04] <Symmetria> hehe
[17:05:19] <Symmetria> mozilla is actually nuts
[17:05:24] <Symmetria> the number of hits per second I take
[17:05:25] <Symmetria> on that shit
[17:05:26] <Symmetria> is insane
[17:06:10] <Symmetria> heh
[17:06:26] <Symmetria> [29/Oct/2006:13:32:45 +0200]  <=== first time stamp in log
[17:06:31] <Symmetria> Wed Nov  1 18:04:23 SAST 2006
[17:06:47] <Symmetria>  1853830 mozilla_access_log
[17:07:16] <axisys> now of the pkg should i get gtk version? i am running b48
[17:07:27] <axisys> and using gnome
[17:07:52] <axisys> Symmetria: wow!
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[17:08:21] <axisys> oxygene: should i get the gtk or regular version?
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[17:09:36] <oxygene> axisys: you might notice, that the "gtk1" version is tagged "solaris8"
[17:10:22] <axisys> oxygene: ;-)
[17:10:23] <oxygene> (somehow I've been asked this quite often already)
[17:10:39] <axisys> avg users are blind like me :P
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[17:11:43] <jteo> now there's a quote.
[17:12:21] <axisys> OT: not sure if it just me but every since i moved from sol10u2 to solxprb48.. my ultra 20 seems lot faster
[17:12:25] <axisys> hmm
[17:12:32] <axisys> ever*
[17:12:59] <jamesd> i know it was the same from  sol10u1 to  solaris express b39...
[17:15:01] <paxc> how start text mode install on solaris express?!??!?
[17:15:07] <paxc> for sparc machines
[17:15:08] <paxc> ?!?!
[17:15:20] <paxc> boot - text do not work -_-
[17:15:51] <jamesd> unplug the keyboard. then it won't have any other choice
[17:15:52] <quasi> just boot the install media and choose the text option from the menu
[17:16:29] <paxc> quasi : not show menu on sparc install ( just start to graphical mode )
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[17:21:16] <coolvibe> uhm, which packages do I need from the solaris cd's to get development headers in /usr/include and perhaps debugging libraries?
[17:21:48] <axisys> how to modify the firefox on the startup menu on b48 to point to the newer firefox?
[17:22:05] <oxygene> coolvibe: SUNWhea headers
[17:22:15] <coolvibe> ah thanks
[17:23:22] <sahafeez> axisys its a gnome thing. it is is the preferences or right mouse on the menu
[17:23:46] <oxygene> axisys: or edit the right file in /usr/share/applications/
[17:23:53] <axisys> sahafeez: u sure.. i dont see right click offer that..
[17:23:58] <axisys> oxygene: cool
[17:24:54] <sahafeez> right click on the menu button at the bottom. edit pannel or something like that. not on my box now so i cannot check but yah, it is there or on the prefences
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[17:25:55] <axisys> sahafeez: nahh.. its cool.. i just vi'd like oxygene show'd
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[17:29:17] <mage2> Hello all
[17:30:37] <quasi> paxc: hmm, ok - I don't recall that from my last sparc install
[17:33:02] <mage2> what are the changes in relation to network support between 01/06 and 06/06?
[17:33:11] <mage2> is there somewhere i could look to find out?
[17:34:12] <quasi> mage2: in the release notes for 6/06 perhaps?
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[17:34:36] <mage2> i looked around in there and didnt see what I was looking for
[17:34:49] <mage2> more specificaly does ndd work in 01/06?
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[17:36:11] <Symmetria> Nov  1 18:33:51 mirror ip: ip_queue_to_ill_v6: no ill
[17:36:14] <Symmetria> anyone know what means?
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[17:41:46] <jmcp> mage2: why do you think that ndd, one of those standard Solaris commands, might not work?
[17:43:40] <jmcp> Symmetria: it means that your ip_queue is well
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[17:45:46] <Symmetria> jmcp and heh and that means?
[17:47:03] <jmcp> Symmetria: good question. I don't do networks, sorry
[17:47:48] <twincest> Symmetria> means someone needs to fix that error message
[17:48:14] <twincest> (i guess it was never expected to happen, or it should be #ifdef DEBUG)
[17:48:49] <Symmetria> heh, btw what is latest patch revision of swupdate?
[17:48:58] <twincest> what is swupdate?
[17:49:04] <twincest> smpatch?
[17:49:09] <Symmetria> uumm swupdate.jar, updatemanager
[17:49:16] <twincest> go to sunsolve and type in the patch number :)
[17:49:21] <twincest> it'll show youthe latest rev
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[17:49:57] <Symmetria> trying to figure out why both sconadm and updatemanager do... *nothing* since I upgraded java :p
[17:51:08] <jmcp> Symmetria: an ill in this case is an IP Lower Level structure (http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/inet/ip.h#1731)
[17:51:51] <jmcp> and putting the pieces together I *think* that the message means you don't have a valid ipv6 device to queue your packet(s) to
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[17:52:54] <jmcp> Symmetria: you'll also want to peruse http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/inet/ip/ip6.c#1495
[17:54:56] <Symmetria> heh jmcp so its all working at the moment, its just giving me a "its ok" debug message?
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[17:55:51] <richlowe> jmcp: a little late, isn't it?
[17:56:34] <jmcp> richlowe: yes
[17:56:49] <jmcp> richlowe: went to bed at a normal-ish time and woke up at around 0200
[17:56:53] <jmcp> damned insomnia :(
[17:56:58] <Cybernd> damn create_bootdisk fails because of the last step: gzip -c rf.file shrinks the bootarchive from 76mb to 75kb - i would expect a target size of ~23mb
[17:57:06] <richlowe> jmcp: sounds like the perfect time to debug ip! ;)
[17:57:11] <jmcp> Symmetria: that's not the meaning I get from the message
[17:57:19] <jmcp> richlowe: pshaw!
[17:57:36] <jmcp> Symmetria: you've reached the limits of my network-y knowledge
[17:57:42] <jmcp> richlowe: you can take over now :)
[17:57:55] <richlowe> I'd rather not :)
[17:59:41] <jmcp> richlowe: I know ... most sane people don't
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[18:00:25] <twincest> just import the Net2 implementation, it was much simpler and there's even a book about it ;-)
[18:02:29] * elektronkind wonder what a sun4m1 machine was
[18:02:44] <elektronkind> anyone hear of that one?
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[18:04:00] <jamesd> no idea.. let see what google says
[18:04:33] <elektronkind> ah, aparently it was the Sun Voyager
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[18:04:44] <mrdeviant> i have 2 of those in my basement
[18:04:45] <jamesd> yeap.. that is what i was going to say
[18:04:54] <elektronkind> memory seems to recall a sparc-based laptop with that name
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[18:38:20] <Azureus> I had recently installed sxcr 50; everything is ok except the ADSL; I had configured my machine to be DHCO, and I can start the ppp script; I  have a ping to IP addresses but NOT to "domain" address , like www.google.com
[18:38:32] <Azureus> I think that my DNS
[18:38:37] <Azureus> is configured OK
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[18:39:22] <Azureus> namely, in /ets/nsswitch.conf I do have "files dns" in the hosts line
[18:39:31] <Azureus> also the IP of the nameserve is OK
[18:39:50] <elektronkind> is your default route set up ok?
[18:40:28] <Azureus> elektronkind, what should it be ? I simply don;t know; doesn't the fact
[18:40:37] <Azureus> that I am a DHCP client
[18:40:47] <Azureus> and get IP from the net
[18:41:08] <Azureus> should also cause it to get IP for default route ?
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[18:41:45] <Azureus> I am connected with this same connection also through linux
[18:41:47] <Azureus> but
[18:41:58] <Azureus> I don't have a default gw at all in linux
[18:42:05] <Azureus> error
[18:42:15] <Azureus> I have : 0.0.0.0 as a default gw in linux
[18:42:36] <Azureus> route | grep default
[18:42:36] <Azureus> default         *               0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 ppp0
[18:42:55] <Azureus> should i also set default gw to 0,0,0,0 in solaris ???
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[18:47:34] <Darwin> Azureus: /etc/resolv.conf <- add some nameservers to that file
[18:51:48] <Azureus> Darwin, there is a nameserver already in that file , and it is correct IP address
[18:52:01] <Azureus> Darwin, and I can ping that IP address
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[18:52:46] <Darwin> Azureus: did you try to resolve an url like www.google.com?
[18:52:47] <Azureus> I really don't think it is a problem of gw because I can ping ip addresses, but not "domain" addresses like www.google.com
[18:52:58] <Azureus> I try to ping it
[18:53:20] <Azureus> by "resolve" do you mean something like "dig"/nslookup/?
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[18:53:41] <Darwin> Azureus: dig @your.dns.server -t A www.google.com
[18:53:50] <jamesd> Darwin, can you ping 72.14.205.99
[18:54:17] <Azureus> Darwin, I will try it ; what should it return on success?
[18:54:18] <Darwin> jamesd: yes I can. 72.14.205.99 is alive
[18:54:35] <Darwin> Azureus: the ip address in the answer section.
[18:54:37] <jamesd> okay then its your nameserver settings that are fubar
[18:55:29] <Darwin> jamesd: talking to me?
[18:55:34] <jamesd> yes
[18:55:53] <jamesd>  72.14.205.99 is google.. so you can make it onto the web and back...
[18:56:54] <Darwin> jamesd: erm.. I know ... but Id rather use www.google.com since I dont have any nameserver troubles here.
[18:58:05] <Azureus> Darwin, what do you mean by " at your dot dns.server" ? isn't dig -t A www.google.com enough ?
[18:58:58] <jamesd> dude, once you configure the box properly it will use  ips or names....    cd /etc ; cp nsswitch.dns nsswitch.conf  ;  echo  "nameserver ip#_of_your_nameserver" > /etc/resolv.conf  .. then it will work given a working nameserver
[19:00:21] <Azureus> jamesd, it does not have dns...
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[19:00:32] <Azureus> what should I do ?
[19:00:49] <Darwin> add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf
[19:01:31] <Azureus> Dawin, I am writing now from a linux machine which has the same /etc/resolv.conf as that in solaris
[19:01:36] <jamesd> call up your isp and ask for the ip# of the nameserver
[19:01:47] <Darwin> or use a public one
[19:01:50] <Darwin> like 4.2.2.2
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[19:02:31] <quasi> also fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf to have hosts:      files dns
[19:02:38] <Azureus> jamesd, this is the ip the isp gave me , for sure
[19:02:59] <Darwin> Azureus: then try 4.2.2.2
[19:03:01] <jamesd> then you are doing something wrong.. paste your   resolv.conf
[19:04:16] <Azureus> last question before checking solaris : should there be sonething in /etc/nsswitch.dns?
[19:05:09] <jamesd> you copy it to  /etc/nsswitch.conf
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[19:05:50] <quasi> Azureus: grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:05:53] <razrX> Azureus: /etc/nsswitch.dns is not used, you need to copy it to /etc/nsswitch.conf
[19:07:18] <Azureus> quasi, hosts files dns
[19:07:44] <Darwin> <@jamesd> then you are doing something wrong.. paste your   resolv.conf
[19:08:17] <Azureus> ok, I have to go to that machine and check exactly
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[19:29:40] <richlowe> stevel: per changegroup sounds good, for the case Darren mentioned, though I suspect for an initial load, that would just turn 3,000 small mails into one huge, but similarly unwieldy one.
[19:30:21] <stevel> richlowe: which was why i suggested maybe having it saved server-side as a static HTML, with just a mail notification to the effect of "huge hairy putback just happened; go here: <link> to view it"
[19:32:44] <richlowe> I'm not sure it needs saving at all.
[19:33:01] <richlowe> For the initial load, that is.
[19:33:09] <richlowe> I can't imagine any merge after that point being quite so large.
[19:33:30] <richlowe> the initial clone should perhaps be notified as such.
[19:33:41] <richlowe> "workspace $FOO cloned from $BAR"
[19:33:54] <richlowe> of course, that pre-supposes it not being done as now, where the entire clone is pushed up to it...
[19:35:14] <stevel> yeah
[19:36:40] <movement> richlowe: Xen updates will be massive
[19:36:54] <richlowe> movement: how massive?
[19:37:20] <richlowe> massive enough that a notification of the changegroup would be painful and unwieldy?
[19:37:31] <richlowe> (or rather, as unweildy as the alternative?)
[19:38:02] <richlowe> I generally don't think sending 'most' notifications to one place, but a few somewhere else is the way to go.
[19:38:48] <richlowe> actually, you guys published your xen gate with .hg/ intact, didn't you?
[19:38:50] <richlowe> wonder if I still have that.
[19:39:08] <movement> richlowe: thousands of changesets
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[19:40:46] <richlowe> the ones I see in xen.hg don't seem that bad?
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[19:43:00] <richlowe> I must be missing it, ah well.
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[19:54:41] <axisys> starting up first T2000.. i have to build 4 of them ..
[19:54:52] <axisys> first one is going to be sunray
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[19:58:01] <jamesd> i heard they do a great job as being a sunray server
[19:58:20] <axisys> jamesd: nice!
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[19:58:44] <axisys> jamesd: current sunray is v440.. should i keep it as failover/loadbalance?
[19:59:05] <jamesd> sure,  why not its easy to config as such
[19:59:07] <axisys> all user's home dir are off of 5310 anyways
[19:59:30] <axisys> jamesd: never setup sunray w/ failover
[19:59:42] <axisys> jamesd: i built last one as stand alone
[19:59:50] <jamesd> me either but its covered in the default setup script
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[20:11:14] <Stric> Can someone port over SMF to MacOSX? Its launchd can't have dependencies like "wait until you have network and gotten a real name, not localhost" ..
[20:12:47] <axisys> hmm it comes w/ sol 10 u1
[20:12:52] <axisys> the T2000 that is
[20:13:07] <axisys> should i upgrade or fresh install sol10u2?
[20:13:25] <coffman> better make it fresh
[20:13:47] <coffman> u could start building a jumpstart server
[20:13:58] <coffman> since u have to setup 4 of them...
[20:14:17] <axisys> coffman: yep
[20:14:42] <axisys> coffman: i never like the jumpstart.. i guess i never build a flexible one
[20:15:03] <quasi> the basic disklayout on the t2000 isn't much fun either - making reinstalls better
[20:15:15] <axisys> quasi: i just saw that.. heh
[20:15:53] <quasi> axisys: what's not to like about jumpstart? it is so much easier than juggling discs
[20:16:46] <axisys> i got 2 72G disks, 32G ram, 1.2G hz (32 threads) nice@
[20:16:59] <axisys> quasi: its just always reconfigure stuff..
[20:17:48] <quasi> it just needs fixing once and that's it til the next major release
[20:17:54] <axisys> quasi: i dont know .. jumpstart is all good.. but i wish it were simpler or something.. (i jump mumbling)
[20:18:10] <richlowe> try JET
[20:18:36] <coffman> jumpstart without jet? is that even possible? :)
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[20:19:00] <quasi> coffman: it is, but not worth the bother
[20:19:09] <axisys> JET, that i did.. i wish it were like point to an IP and it will ask few questions and walla..
[20:19:24] * quasi abuses JET too - http://soulfood.dk/archives/2006/09/20/T23_43_37/index.html
[20:19:36] <axisys> instead of pre built.. i seem to prebuilt stuff a lot.. rquirement is sooo different among diff built
[20:20:36] <axisys> i rather reply to few questions and rest is done based on it.. instead of prebuilding
[20:20:53] <axisys> i know i am just wining..
[20:21:37] <quasi> once you have the basic setup in you profile, then that's quite a bit easier
[20:22:13] <axisys> i have been using jumpstart for last 5 yrs.. on and off.. never too excited about it
[20:23:05] <axisys> what would be ideal for me is have a cdrom that will jumpstart a box or have my linux laptop as a jumpstart server
[20:23:05] <Cybernd> anyone familiar with the create_ramdisk shellscript?
[20:23:29] <quasi> but then I'm also usually not in the mood to go anywhere near the machines if it can be avoided - recovery is so much easier with js
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[20:25:33] <axisys> why does uname -a says SUNW,Sun-Fire-T200
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[20:25:42] <axisys> shouldnt it say SUNW,Sun-Fire-T2000 ?
[20:25:54] <twincest> they probably changed the name before release
[20:26:08] <richlowe> Yeah.
[20:26:22] <coffman> axisys: change ur os on ur laptop :)
[20:26:25] <twincest> the code to print uname -a existed before the product itself ;-)
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[20:27:49] <axisys> coffman: i like to.. but the detection tool did not find wireless driver.. and something else.. let me run it again
[20:28:40] <sommerfeld> axisys: on sparc, the uname -i value comes out of the firmware
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[20:29:06] <axisys> coffman: forgot the name of the detection tool
[20:29:07] <coffman> axisys: wireless is easy to swap
[20:29:22] <richlowe> and the firmware and IMPLEMENTED_PLAT must (should?) be in sync.
[20:29:38] <axisys> quasi: ur page have just been subscribed by my google reader ;-)
[20:30:03] <Gman> hey hey hey
[20:30:26] <stevel> morning glynn
[20:30:42] <richlowe> mornin' Gman.
[20:31:28] <axisys> tempting to put sol b48 on t2000.. but then it wont be supported by sun contract :-(
[20:33:14] <Error_404> why b48?
[20:34:05] <richlowe> that's what Express is at.
[20:35:04] <axisys> yep
[20:36:21] <richlowe> alanc: and hey, don't disparage mdb.  It's not painful for userland stuff, it's *educational*. :)
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[20:38:59] <cub> is the Sun patching system down or something?  I get "Failure: Connection reset"  when using "smpatch update -L"
[20:40:11] <Error_404> axisys: can't you get some kinna support w/ SX sans :CR ?
[20:41:59] <alanc> richlowe: it makes vi look user-friendly 8-)
[20:42:31] <Error_404> vi is userfriendly if you have the right coffeemug
[20:42:58] <dwc-> is there a coffeemug with the vi cheat card on it or something?
[20:43:06] <Error_404> http://www.cafepress.com/geekcheat.11507711
[20:43:27] <alanc> :w to write and :q to quit at least make sense
[20:43:28] <dwc-> haha, that's funny
[20:43:35] <alanc> $C to print out stack traces?
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[20:43:47] <wamty> i have to check on what the difference is between Trusted Solaris 1-2 processor Desktop Edition
[20:43:52] <wamty> besides $5000.
[20:43:54] <wamty> any ideas?
[20:44:36] <alanc> have to ask a sales type, we just work on the code here, we don't figure out how to price it
[20:44:58] <richlowe> alanc: so type ::stack, instead. :)
[20:45:21] <richlowe> is it really worth buying TSol now, rather than waiting for u3?
[20:45:29] <alanc> really?   I must have missed that the last time someone told me to use mdb
[20:45:55] <delewis> richlowe: Trusted Solaris is a bit more secure in some regards than the Trusted Extensions being incorporated into u3
[20:46:24] <delewis> from what I read it was much more flexible when specifying security policies than TX, but that sacrificed simplicity and usability.
[20:49:14] <elektronkind> any packagine gurus heree?
[20:49:17] <elektronkind> ack
[20:49:28] <delewis> elektronkind: what are you trying to do?
[20:49:29] <elektronkind> wow, my english is way off today
[20:49:42] <twincest> is TX/TS just a MAC framework or does it have something more?
[20:50:12] <elektronkind> delewis: I'm trying to figure out of the follow line in a prototype file is valid:
[20:50:13] <elektronkind> !PLATFORM=`/usr/bin/isainfo -n`
[20:50:38] <elektronkind> it seems that the back-ticks aren't evaluated
[20:50:45] <delewis> interesting
[20:50:55] <delewis> I've never done anything like that with my prototype
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[20:51:19] <delewis> I would guess the intent was *not* to install the package if it matched whatever was returned by isainfo -n which seems silly.
[20:51:22] <wamty> i have to check on what the difference is between Trusted Solaris 1-2 processor Desktop Edition and Trusted Solaris 1-4 processor Server Edition
[20:51:27] <elektronkind> this is so I can have one prototype file for multiple platforms since this installs a kernel module
[20:51:28] <wamty> besides $5000
[20:51:28] <cub> does anybody else have problem with using smpatch to update your system ?
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[20:51:41] <delewis> elektronkind: ah
[20:51:52] <elektronkind> delewis: the bang represents a command execution
[20:52:04] <delewis> elektronkind: ah, I thought it was a logical-not :-)
[20:52:16] <delewis> wihch shows how 'simplistic' my prototypes usually are :-)
[20:52:28] <elektronkind> so like, in the prototype file, you can set a variable like: !DIR=/usr/foo
[20:52:47] <elektronkind> and use $DIR further down in the prototype
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[20:52:55] <Error_404> there used to be a better (ie, not cafepress) vi mug
[20:52:58] <Error_404> it's gone though
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[20:56:15] <claudiush> hi, is there sshd in core networking installation?
[20:57:49] <dclarke> in core networking .. NO
[20:58:00] <dclarke> but you can easily install it
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[20:58:37] <oxygene> elektronkind: I create prototype files using "cat << ..." in a script
[20:58:46] <ProfMikey> is there an ssh server while core networking installation selected?
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[20:59:30] <ProfMikey> looks like there isn't
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[21:00:21] <axisys> Error_404: SX sans :CR ?! what is that
[21:01:07] <oxygene> axisys: there's solaris express, and solaris express community release (SX:CR) - the latter receives less testing, for the former, there's some support plan available at sun.com..
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[21:04:23] <dclarke> oxygene:  there is little or no support plan
[21:04:42] <dclarke> oxygene:  I have a SX Subscription and there is a facility to report bugs
[21:04:48] <dclarke> oxygene:  thats about it
[21:05:59] <Error_404> heh, hooray
[21:06:17] <Error_404> for when boo isn't enough?
[21:06:28] <dclarke> huh ?
[21:06:31] <dclarke> you lost me
[21:06:55] <Error_404> bugs.opensolaris.org
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[21:07:02] <Error_404> also lets you report bugs
[21:07:21] <dclarke> oh .. boo = b.o.o
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[21:08:08] <richlowe> nah, b.o.o == b.o.o
[21:08:14] <richlowe> boo == the noise you make using b.o.o
[21:08:43] <dclarke> uh huh
[21:08:52] <dclarke> I have hit a major snag with SVM today
[21:08:55] <dclarke> it may be me
[21:09:08] <dclarke> anyone want to glance at something that really makes ZFS look good ?
[21:09:11] <dclarke> and SVM look bad ?
[21:09:20] <dclarke> see http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Tv22nj45.nln.html
[21:10:30] <postwait> anyone want to glance at something that really makes zfs look bad?
[21:10:55] <dclarke> sure
[21:11:01] <dclarke> let's compare the two
[21:11:23] <postwait> I have z fs filesystem and I ran zfs send on it...
[21:11:28] <postwait> It took 51 hours to complete.
[21:11:33] <dclarke> urk ..
[21:11:37] <postwait> 51 hours 43 minutes to be fair
[21:11:44] <dclarke> yeah .. the backup facilities are sadly lacking still
[21:11:46] <jamesd> and how big was the  filesystems..
[21:11:49] <postwait> How I'm supposed to use that as a backup strategy is beyond me.
[21:11:59] <dclarke> postwait:  you can not
[21:12:09] <postwait> xsr_slow_1/pgdata      366G  2.32T   322G  /pgods/slowdata1
[21:12:18] <dclarke> postwait:  which is why UFS + SVM or Veritas is still a good option in the business world
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[21:12:48] <jamesd> well you are backing up  366GB...  and where are storing the file?
[21:13:03] <postwait> For this test? | wc -c
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[21:13:17] <delewis> sorry snapshots and ZFS send is *not* a backup strategy. :-)
[21:13:21] <postwait> Wanted the cheapest possible place to dump the files.
[21:13:31] <jamesd> netbackup now supports ZFS
[21:13:37] <postwait> Reading the docs it sounds like a perfect backup strategy
[21:13:43] <dclarke> delewis:  here here !  ( I second that )
[21:13:51] <Error_404> mirror drives.
[21:13:56] <Error_404> yank one
[21:13:58] <delewis> jamesd: I'd argue that isn't a *real* backup strategy, either *ducks*
[21:13:59] <Error_404> put it in a safe
[21:14:01] <postwait> one?
[21:14:03] <dclarke> delewis:  if you can not put it onto tape and walk it offsite then its not a backup
[21:14:04] <postwait> 14.
[21:14:12] <delewis> but then again, I prefer TSM (ADSM) over Netbackup
[21:14:21] <postwait> zfs snapshot and zfs send is perfect backup.. it's going to tape
[21:14:27] <dclarke> Veritas Netbackup is good stuff
[21:14:28] <andersmo> If you can't automate it, it's not a reliable backup. =)
[21:14:33] <delewis> postwait: that's one system
[21:14:34] <postwait> We run veritas net backup
[21:14:35] <delewis> try doing 4,000.
[21:14:47] <delewis> which is what the TSM server I administered does on a daily basis.
[21:14:48] <postwait> Why would I try to do 4,000?
[21:15:03] <delewis> (backs up to a 75TB tape library and another 375TB one)
[21:15:06] <postwait> We're talking about a big box running ZFS that needs backups.
[21:15:19] <postwait> We have a 3 head ADIC LTO system.
[21:15:26] <postwait> which backups all sorts of stuff.
[21:15:32] <postwait> I need it to back up my ZFS volumes.
[21:15:40] <postwait> I need incrementals...
[21:15:44] <delewis> postwait: regardless, ZFS send and snapshots is not the ideal backup solution -- it scales poorly.
[21:15:48] <postwait> The ZFS send (-i stuff) seems perfect.
[21:15:53] <delewis> TSM (and Netbackup *sigh*) both work from single systems
[21:15:55] <postwait> Why?
[21:15:56] <delewis> to thousands of systems
[21:16:14] <postwait> Does Netbackup support BLI on ZFS?
[21:16:19] <delewis> postwait: if you have not read the Concepts guide for either TSM or NBU, I cannot summarize it for you.
[21:16:26] <jamesd> BLI?
[21:16:32] <postwait> block level incremental
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[21:16:56] <postwait> Okay... so let's rephrase.
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[21:17:02] <postwait> As a ZFS send takes 51 hours.
[21:17:09] <postwait> what on earth is it useful for?
[21:17:10] <jamesd> i'm sure it must, since people use it to backup large databases
[21:17:21] <postwait> It supports it on Veritas vxfs.
[21:17:23] <postwait> We use it there.
[21:17:29] <postwait> but this system is ZFS.
[21:18:10] <jamesd> netbackup see's the disk the same way a bunch of blocks and files, that have special extensions to hold ACL's
[21:18:34] <twincest> anything called 'block-level' sounds FS-specific
[21:18:37] <postwait> Yes.. but NB uses the snapshot features under the hood of VxFS to perform it's BLIs.
[21:18:58] <jamesd> i'm sure it treats each files as a series of blocks/chunks
[21:19:04] <postwait> It sounds very similar to the snapshots (and how they are maintained) in ZFS.
[21:19:17] <sommerfeld> zfs incremental sends are block-level incrementals.
[21:19:22] <postwait> Given the implementation notes on each they are quite similar.
[21:19:35] <postwait> So.. if ZFS sends are incremental.. why are they not suitable for large backup restores?
[21:19:41] <postwait> Just as VxFS's?
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[21:21:13] <postwait> (I read the zfs code last night, so it loks like the send -i stuff is zobject tree differences)
[21:21:31] <postwait> which.. seems "damn close" to block incrementals w.r.t. to backup usage.
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[21:22:17] <sommerfeld> there's a Simple Matter of Programming to link snapshot + send with a backup scheduling framework
[21:22:20] <Symmetria> lo again all :)
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[21:22:39] <Symmetria> quick question, does anyone know off hand which service controls snmp (trying to figure out what I disabled that disabled it)
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[21:23:06] <dclarke> great .. now we get to hear about SMOP
[21:23:13] <postwait> sommerfeld: not if snapshot + send takes 51 hours.
[21:23:46] <twincest> symm: the snmp stuff is still init scripts, i think
[21:24:22] <postwait> It doesn't appear that the ZFS ioctl that drives the send prioritizes its I/O above other I/O against the same volume.
[21:24:37] <postwait> Additionally, it appears there are no "knobs" to do so.
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[21:25:10] <sommerfeld> have you tried multiple "sends" in parallel?
[21:25:23] <postwait> I have 3 running in parallel
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[21:25:27] <Symmetria> twincest thanks
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[21:25:29] <postwait> (on differnent FS)
[21:25:41] <postwait> one is 9GB and finishes relatively quickly.
[21:25:48] <sommerfeld> same pool, different fs?
[21:25:57] <postwait> The other two are 350+GB used.
[21:26:02] <postwait> different pools.
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[21:26:24] <postwait> three different pools.
[21:26:29] <postwait> each has a set of FS's
[21:26:37] <postwait> I'm attempting to backup one FS within each pool.
[21:27:02] <sommerfeld> also, "| wc -c" is not necessarily the fastest way to discard data.
[21:27:11] <axisys> does this look good for a T2000 http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3mT9b260.html
[21:27:24] <postwait> True.. but shouldn't be too much slower than piping it into Netbackup->network->tape.
[21:27:41] <dclarke> axisys:  swap is a tad small
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[21:28:00] <axisys> dclarke: it is ?
[21:28:04] <dclarke> axisys:  try 2GB swap at least
[21:28:09] <dclarke> better yet .. 8GB
[21:28:21] <axisys> dclarke: it will be used as sunray
[21:28:33] <dclarke> as a SunRay server .. okay
[21:28:38] <axisys> yep
[21:28:41] <dclarke> increase swap
[21:29:11] <axisys> dclarke: so 8G?
[21:29:25] <dclarke> thats my call
[21:29:30] <dclarke> 8GB .. yes
[21:29:36] <dclarke> but .. ymmv
[21:29:39] <dclarke> brb
[21:29:42] <sommerfeld> i don't see a partition reserved for live upgrade alternate boot environment.
[21:30:30] <axisys> sommerfeld: r u responding to my layout?
[21:30:37] <sommerfeld> yes
[21:31:10] <postwait> So. does anyone have any ideas on methods to speed up my zfs send?
[21:31:17] <axisys> sommerfeld: hmm.. i am doing fresh install and i have two disks.. so i should be good w/o liveupgrade partition .. no?
[21:32:10] <sommerfeld> fresh install is the correct time to reserve space for a LU BE, before anyone else grabs it.
[21:32:59] <axisys> sommerfeld: i have used liveupgrade before.. usually i blew away mirror disk and upgrade that one..
[21:33:07] <axisys> blow*
[21:37:07] <Symmetria> hrm
[21:37:16] <Symmetria> heh solaris snmp supports graphing PER VIRTUAL IP?!
[21:37:20] <Symmetria> *damn* I like that
[21:39:31] <sommerfeld> postwait: I'd report the problem on zfs-discuss; you're likely to get the attention of zfs developers who may have helpful suggestions.
[21:40:12] <sommerfeld> if you can split up the 300GB FS into multiple smaller fs's in the same pool and do the "sends" in parallel you might well get higher throughput.
[21:41:01] <Azureus> I ran for the first time,; hg clone ssh://anon at hg dot opensolaris.org/hg/onnv/onnv-gate and it is in the "adding file change" for over an hour . is it normal behavior?
[21:41:10] <delewis> Azureus: yes
[21:41:34] <Azureus> delewis, how long does it take ? 2 hours ? 3 ? more?
[21:43:28] <axisys> what is this mean on SC? Should poweron sequencing be enabled [y]?
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[21:44:25] <dclarke> say yes
[21:44:27] <dclarke> do that
[21:45:32] <axisys> dclarke: what is this mean?
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[21:57:05] <axisys> what is this on dmesg? CNS Transport[378]: [ID 126843 daemon.notice] cctransport started
[21:57:11] <axisys> this is b48
[21:59:41] <AbeFroman> CNS=central nervous system, right?
[22:00:04] <alanc> Customer Network Services
[22:00:31] <alanc> (stuff like the "Register this copy of Solaris" application and the Update Manager/patch tools)
[22:01:23] <Tpenta> good morning alan. I see your psarc got approved this morning with no fuss whatsoever
[22:02:12] <AbeFroman> does sun have a new cert or something?  I keep getting this:
[22:02:19] <AbeFroman> The specific Jar file is not signed by a known digital certificate. 119059-18/SUNWxwacx/pkgmap CN=Enterprise Services Patch Management, O=Sun Microsystems Inc
[22:04:03] <alanc> there was mail recently about the update manager needing a patch to get new certificates before any other patches could be downloaded
[22:04:15] <AbeFroman> phew
[22:04:33] <alanc> Tpenta: yep - not even bitching that dtrace used old taxonomy level names still
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[22:04:54] <Tpenta> yup
[22:05:05] <Tpenta> probably folks understood the reasing in there
[22:05:20] <Tpenta> ummm reasoning
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[22:05:35] <Tpenta> that was your voice I heard on the call just after the approval wasn't it?
[22:05:55] <alanc> saying "thanks" or something like that?   yeah - I went up to sit in for the fasttracks
[22:05:56] <gisburn> which call ?
[22:06:03] <alanc> PSARC this morning
[22:06:12] <Tpenta> psarc this morning
[22:06:15] <Tpenta> *snap*
[22:06:35] <alanc> probably sit in for the virtual console case in two weeks too
[22:06:39] <gisburn> alanc: any denies, rejections, broken hearts and following suicides ?
[22:06:51] <alanc> nope
[22:06:54] <gisburn> bah
[22:06:56] <gisburn> ;-(
[22:07:09] <Tpenta> "anyone want more time? Anyone want to derail? The case is approved"
[22:07:13] <alanc> only question about my Xserver/dtrace fasttrack was why I didn't mark it "approved automatic"
[22:07:25] <alanc> (that was before the call started)
[22:07:28] <richlowe> browsing the case index, I think I've only noticed 3 marked rejected.
[22:07:31] <Tpenta> it probably could have been at that :)
[22:07:40] <richlowe> and I've browsed through most of what's there, when looking for various things.
[22:08:01] <gisburn> Tpenta: is a switch of /usr/bin/test from ksh to ksh93 without changing of features approved-automatic, too ?
[22:08:10] <Tpenta> richlowe, one of those was probably mine froma few years back
[22:08:39] <richlowe> gisburn: if no interfaces whatsoever are changed, I would it expect to not need a case.
[22:08:40] <Tpenta> without seeing reasoning and interfaces affected, there is no way I can answer that question
[22:08:59] <richlowe> s/it/not/
[22:09:35] <richlowe> Though, in what package are you delivering ksh93?
[22:09:42] <gisburn> richlowe: same as ksh
[22:10:41] <twincest> i want a terminal emulator where you can hover the mouse over a date, and it shows the time difference from now (like "3 minutes ago")
[22:10:54] <twincest> it would make reading logfiles and such much easier
[22:12:27] <gisburn> richlowe: there is a subtle change but not in the interface. ksh93 supports highres timestamps while ksh doesn't. does that need a fasttrack ?
[22:15:08] <Tpenta> twincest: it woudl also need to be aware of TZ differences. I read logs from other timezones ALL the time
[22:16:08] <oxygene> gisburn: that might be behavioural change: touch a; touch b; test a -nt b && echo foo || echo bar # might do different things with or without that change, right?
[22:16:23] <twincest> hmm, true.  i try to keep all my systems in UTC though
[22:16:43] <gisburn> oxygene: erm
[22:16:58] <gisburn> oxygene: -nt is what ? compare timestamps ?
[22:17:03] <oxygene> gisburn: newer than
[22:17:18] <Tpenta> Roland, why are you deliberately trying to make things difficult for yourself?
[22:17:35] <gisburn> Tpenta: ?!
[22:17:41] <oxygene> gisburn: or rather, "-ot" (older than)
[22:17:42] <richlowe> gisburn: in the old case, a and b maybe ==, the higher res the stamp, the less chance there is of that being true.
[22:17:47] <richlowe> thus, difference.
[22:18:17] <gisburn> Tpenta: what do you mean ? The /usr/bin/test thing is a follow-up-
[22:18:22] <gisburn> s/-/\./
[22:18:33] <gisburn> s/\./.../
[22:18:36] <oxygene> gisburn: 'touch a; touch b; test a -ot b && echo a older || echo equal or newer' gives equal or newer here. what does it give on ksh93?
[22:18:37] <alanc> but relying on two touches having the same timestamp would always be broken, since there would be a chance the clock ticked between the two commands
[22:19:09] <gisburn> oxygene: likely newer
[22:19:17] <Tpenta> ahhh a new case, that's diferent
[22:19:30] * gisburn throws a stone after Tpenta
[22:19:32] <oxygene> alanc: of course, it's just meant as test case
[22:19:49] <gisburn> Tpenta: right now I want the ksh93 putback NOW.
[22:20:09] <gisburn> Tpenta: I wish someone would give me the money to travel to SF and finish the damn thing.
[22:20:31] <gisburn> Doing everything via email sucks time up like a black hole.
[22:20:37] <oxygene> gisburn: getting the komodo dragons to SF will cost a lot..
[22:20:40] <Tpenta> gisburn: have you got any timetable for putback?
[22:21:02] <gisburn> Tpenta: depending on the current performance Q3/2007 in the worst case.
[22:21:11] <gisburn> and yes, I am a pessimist.
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[22:21:30] * gisburn growls
[22:22:02] <alanc> hopefully the progress on the mercurial stuff will lessen the gap soon
[22:22:06] <Tpenta> and the best case?
[22:22:44] <gisburn> Tpenta: dunno. right now I am waiting for Glenn to finish the next update, however the whole posix_spawn() and 64bit shel discussion slowed things down considerably.
[22:23:04] <Tpenta> I didnt realise until stevel pointed it out that hg was delivered (in SFW) into /usr/bin since b45
[22:24:23] <Tpenta> which is why on-src is no longer delivered in the nightly (weekly) drops
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[22:25:39] <gisburn> Tpenta: I really wish we could put it back ASAP, however each time I fix one thing two new problems show up.
[22:26:48] * Gman really not having much luck with the punchin servers these days ;(
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[22:33:37] <Symmetria> *sigh*
[22:33:50] <Symmetria> sconadm is still screwing me around
[22:33:51] <Symmetria> on this damn system
[22:34:01] <Symmetria> and I've upgraded everything :(
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[22:35:59] <jafari> is there a locate command in solaris?
[22:36:20] <jafari> or is the only in linux
[22:37:35] <Error_404> gnu locate's in blastwave iirc
[22:38:06] <cub> if I make a mirror raid from 12 disks for a 3510, how does it know which disk pair with which disk ?
[22:39:45] <koolniczka> hello all, sry for the newbie question, I got Sol10 on Dell Optiplex and the NIC wasnt detected/configured. I was able to bring it up and get to the network but somehow can't find out where should I write the config to be read at boot, any hints?
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[22:40:53] <jafari> it it possible to add your other service to the svcs and svcadm command?
[22:40:54] <oxygene> cub: a mirror would store the same data on all disks
[22:41:17] <Error_404> jafari: yes, you can read the SMF guide at docs.sun.com
[22:41:18] <hell`> anyone in here used quest's foglight or mercury topaz?
[22:41:59] <cub> oxygene: would you recommend to make a big mirror with all 12 disks in there ?  or broken up to smaller mirrors ?
[22:42:25] <Error_404> cub: mirroring data 12 times seems like a waste to me
[22:42:29] <oxygene> cub: if you create a big mirror with all 12 disks, you have the storage capacity of one, but are resistant to 11 failing disks.. probably overkill ;)
[22:42:58] <Error_404> mirroring the data once, absolutely. twice, sure
[22:43:00] <jafari> do service get added automatically when installing from source or .pkg packages?
[22:43:06] <Error_404> three times seems a bit much
[22:43:14] <cub> hmm...no, i don't want to mirror it 12 times
[22:43:18] <cub> only twice
[22:43:20] <oxygene> thought so :)
[22:43:21] <Error_404> jafari: depends on the package
[22:43:28] <cub> i'm not thinking straight then
[22:43:29] <jafari> oh ok
[22:43:30] <oxygene> cub: twice = two copies of each byte, or 1 original, 2 copies?
[22:43:37] <cub> yes oxygene
[22:43:51] <Error_404> SUNWappserver doesn't add a service, but you can generate one
[22:43:54] <cub> in the 3510 raid creation menu, i can select raid 0, 1, 5, etc.
[22:44:18] <jafari> have a E450 on sale
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[22:44:32] <jafari> anyone interested?
[22:44:41] <cub> oxygene: so if I select raid 1, it will then pop up the disks for me to select, and I thought i could just select all the disks and it'd make a one big two copies of each byte on that big partition for me
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[22:46:54] <jafari> Error_404, cant seem to find the guide http://docs.sun.com/app/docs?q=SMF
[22:47:09] <jafari> what is the title the have it under
[22:50:05] <Error_404> perhaps it's something under predictive self-healing
[22:50:29] <Error_404> or the solaris10 admin collection
[22:50:48] <jafari> ok
[22:51:18] <Error_404> you can also do a quick search of blogs.sun.com
[22:51:33] <Error_404> i found a premade manifest for postgresql on someone's blog
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[22:51:43] <jafari> cool
[22:51:49] <jafari> didnt think of that
[22:54:19] <jafari> so when you import service it actually read descriptor from a .xml file?
[22:54:42] <Error_404> yeah
[22:55:23] <jafari> cool
[22:55:40] <jafari> where can i find a sample of a service thats already on the box .xml file
[22:55:56] <jafari> so i can see how the descriptor is setup
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[22:58:06] <jafari> nevermind found something
[22:58:15] <jafari> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/cmd/svc/milestone/manifest-import.xml
[22:58:33] <Error_404> you could just export some other manifest too
[22:58:42] <Error_404> poke around & look at it
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[23:00:26] <jafari> cool
[23:03:31] <dclarke> dammit ..
[23:03:52] <dclarke> what does one do when you need to remove a failed FCAL disk but luxadm remove_deive gives an error ?
[23:04:11] <jamesd> you can get  manifests at   blastwave.org/smf   along with lots of smf related links
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[23:04:15] <Error_404> yank it & hpe for the best?
[23:04:39] <dclarke> Error_404:  http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Yn2z1o94.html
[23:05:00] <dclarke> Error_404:  before one can replace a failed device one needs to clear its device path and luxadm remove it
[23:05:47] <Tpenta> good afternoon dennis
[23:06:02] <dclarke> good day Sir
[23:06:13] <dclarke> I'm having fun here with a failed disk in an A5200
[23:06:26] <dclarke> for reasons unknown .. it can not be removed via luxadm
[23:06:27] <dclarke> very odd
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[23:11:21] <Tpenta> ick
[23:13:05] <dclarke> its not all bad news
[23:13:08] <dclarke> not really
[23:13:24] <dclarke> this was two A5200 arrays striped and mirrored across controllers
[23:13:40] <dclarke> when this disk failed we say real SVM RAID 1+0 take place
[23:13:59] <dclarke> all disks were still spinning and dong IO with the exception of one disk only
[23:14:09] <dclarke> despite what one would think ..
[23:14:29] <dclarke> it seems as if you would lose the whole stripe .. but you don't .. SVM is smarter than that
[23:15:09] <jamesd> dclarke, just tell them its time to move off the old hardware and get a thumper this should provide enough evidence and drool material.  http://milek.blogspot.com/2006/10/thumpers-first-impression.html
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[23:15:33] <jamesd> Well, first thing I just had to do was to run simple dd on that pool - 600-800MB/s of write performance and similar when reading :)
[23:15:33] <jamesd> I recreated using the same disk for a one large stripe and got with single dd 1.35GB/s
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[23:19:12] <dclarke> I'm sorry but the people I am talking with wanted pure fibre and pure UltraSparc
[23:19:24] <dclarke> they deemed that to be "modern"
[23:19:46] <dclarke> while the thumper is really cool they just are not ready to make that leap yet
[23:20:01] <dclarke> although .. that being said .. they want training boxes based on Opteron
[23:20:16] <dclarke> at the moment they have a V880 for Solaris 10 training
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[23:37:12] <Error_404> huh, that's weird
[23:37:34] <Error_404> canada post left me a delivery notice for something.... i'm not expecting a letter or package
[23:38:00] <hspaans> you're in UPC area?
[23:38:09] <Error_404> upc?
[23:39:01] <jamesd> universal product code?
[23:39:36] <hspaans> no company behing chello for example
[23:39:55] <hspaans> !lart keyboard
[23:40:54] <Error_404> i don't understand what you mean
[23:41:00] <hspaans> they send unwanted decoders for digital tv with an opt-out contract
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[23:42:02] <Gman> good to see the cab got rid of the 'virtual' in the governance draft :)
[23:42:05] <Gman> hey eric
[23:42:17] <eboutilier> Hey  gman, all
[23:43:47] <Error_404> hspaans: oh, no they're not allowed to do that in canada
[23:46:32] <hspaans> Error_404: they found out the same in the netherlands ;-)
[23:49:15] <Error_404> Oh, it's from the city my mom lives in
[23:49:27] <Error_404> heh, i was worried i was getting evicted or a summons or something
[23:49:46] <bobbyz> What do you guys think about ZFS on the 06/06 solaris release?  Is it decently stable?  I was contemplating using it for openafs (namei) partitions, but wasn't sure if it is considered stable-enough yet
[23:49:46] <Error_404> (why else would i get a registered letter?)
[23:52:35] <Error_404> i suppose sun could've been sending me a tshirt, but i haven't really done anything to deserve one
[23:52:50] <dclarke> dammit .. thats my fault
[23:52:55] <dclarke> sorry Error_404
[23:53:00] <dclarke> I have you stuff here looking at me
[23:53:03] <dclarke> literally
[23:53:09] <dclarke> and its dusty
[23:53:21] <Error_404> lol
[23:53:22] <dclarke> drop me an email that says "Dennis you flake!"
[23:53:31] <dclarke> include your shipping addres
[23:53:41] <dclarke> it will go out this Friday or I am a miserable shit
[23:53:50] <dclarke> also .. I own Jamesd a book
[23:54:02] <dclarke> a copy of Solaris Systems Programmign by Rich Teer
[23:54:12] <dclarke> I have an autographed copy .. I'm keeping that
[23:54:25] <dclarke> and I also have an OpenSolaris Christmas T-shirt for .. someone
[23:55:06] <dclarke> gotta step away for a sec ...
[23:55:36] <Error_404> that's cool (about the autographed copy)
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[23:56:21] <Error_404> I have a non-autographed copy of solaris internals staring at me with a bookmark about 90% of the way through the process/dispatch section
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[23:57:30] <Error_404> i'm not sure why i brought that up





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