[00:00:14] <boyd> It's clearly a conspiracy
[00:00:15] * boyd runs
[00:00:16] <jmcp_> gisburn: yes, the world is out to get you
[00:00:26] <gisburn> boyd: unlikely.
[00:01:05] <gisburn> I guess something screwed-up with the main page. Other pages below that point are accessible.
[00:01:27] <gisburn> See http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ksh93-integration/screenshots/
[00:02:56] <Gman> hrm, it does seem specific to ksh93 :(
[00:03:21] <richlowe> I'd assume the web folks will hunt it down monday.
[00:03:31] <gdamore> hi *
[00:03:42] <gisburn> gdamore: Good morning! :-)
[00:03:43] <Gman> gisburn, did you try modifying the home page, to get rid of any illegal characters that might cause it?
[00:04:02] <gisburn> Gman: yes, I already tried to reset it. No luck.
[00:04:10] <Gman> hrm, suckage :(
[00:04:32] <Gman> whatever happened to that webapp project? :)
[00:04:33] <gisburn> Gman: and the page worked a few days ago. and when I am logged-in in the page system it works, too.
[00:04:40] <richlowe> Gman: who knows?
[00:04:45] <richlowe> Gman: did it get enough nods?
[00:04:52] <Gman> interesting that all the other children of that page seem to display ok
[00:04:57] <Gman> richlowe, i think so
[00:05:06] <gisburn> Gman: any idea why I am getting "rssread.ksh[298]: cat_http[30]: /dev/tcp/blogs.sun.com/80: cannot create [Not a directory]" only for blogs.sun.com ?
[00:05:24] <richlowe> Gman: Yeah, it did.
[00:05:28] <richlowe> Gman: wonder which side is slacking.
[00:05:41] <Gman> richlowe, too easy to guess on that one :)
[00:06:19] <Gman> gisburn, sorry, don't quite grok
[00:06:23] <richlowe> Well, the tonic folk have enough to do as it is.
[00:06:55] <Gman> not a good excuse
[00:06:59] <richlowe> Sure it is.
[00:07:17] <gisburn> richlowe: IMO the inventors of "TML" should get an extra "warm" place in h*ll.
[00:07:47] <gisburn> richlowe: TML looks nice when you first use it - but anything more complex becomes a horrible pain.
[00:08:04] <Gman> richlowe, we need distributed development
[00:08:18] <Gman> and if stuff isn't getting done, it shouldn't be the sole responsibility of the tonic team
[00:08:19] <richlowe> gisburn: not something I have to deal with :)
[00:08:26] <richlowe> something I hope to not have to deal with in general, in fecat.
[00:08:31] <richlowe> 'fact', even.
[00:08:48] <gisburn> Gman: see http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/rssread.ksh - I can't get a tcp connection to blogs.sun.com while other applications do not have that problem.
[00:11:00] <gisburn> The same script works fine with other RSS sites.
[00:11:55] <Gman> gisburn, i'll mail some b.s.c folk for you, and see if they can help
[00:12:22] <gisburn> b.s.c ?
[00:12:26] <gisburn> er
[00:12:31] <gisburn> blogs.sun.com
[00:12:36] <Gman> yeah
[00:12:41] * gisburn needs a little bit longer today to think
[00:13:07] <gisburn> Gman: Either this is a bug in ksh93 or they are doing something special.
[00:14:57] * gisburn continues the work on Tetris
[00:15:45] <jmcp_> gisburn: you're implementing tetris inside ksh93?
[00:16:16] <gisburn> jmcp_: yes
[00:16:48] <gisburn> jmcp_: we already have pacman, a RSS reader (see above) and a mandelbrot fractal generator
[00:17:14] <gisburn> jmcp_: I've been asked to create some demo applications.
[00:17:54] <gisburn> The problem is that I am running out of usefull ideas.
[00:18:23] * gisburn looks at Gman for ideas...
[00:18:37] <andersmo> useful ideas. *looks at mentioned examples* - heh. =)
[00:19:32] <gisburn> andersmo: well, I don't like the "hello world" examples which are totally uselless... and I want to add something "nice" ... "funny" ... that's why I picked "pacman".
[00:20:32] <gisburn> andersmo: The RSS reader was more or less something which may be usefull if someone has no RSS reader installed (and it demonstrates ksh93 networking support)
[00:20:45] <andersmo> add multiplayer to pacman? ;)
[00:21:07] <gisburn> andersmo: And the mandelbrot demo shows floating-point math and usage of worker jobs (e.g. parallel execution of calcuation jobs)
[00:21:20] <gisburn> andersmo: the original had no usefull multiplayer mode either.
[00:21:38] <Gman> gisburn, one line summary of what your rssread script does?
[00:21:52] <andersmo> Anything you haven't shown off in ksh93 yet, then?
[00:22:05] <gisburn> Gman: fetches RSS streams and converts it to plain text.
[00:22:15] <Gman> ok
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[00:22:29] <gisburn> Gman: it's a dumb RSS reader
[00:22:34] <Gman> nod
[00:22:43] <gisburn> extremely dumb
[00:22:56] <dwc-> !seen gdamore
[00:22:57] <Drone> gdamore is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sun 29 Oct 2006 23:05 GMT, saying 'hi *'.
[00:23:03] <gdamore> yes, i'm here.
[00:23:20] <gisburn> Gman: but I am woried that there may be something in the networking code, either at the server side (blogs.sun.com) or client side (ksh93)
[00:23:45] <Gman> gisburn, i've mailed one of the admins, i'll let you know what he comes back with
[00:23:52] <gisburn> Gman: ok
[00:24:07] <gisburn> Gman: did you just post the url or the script itself ?
[00:24:22] <Gman> posted your error message, and a link to the rssread script
[00:24:24] <gdamore> gisburn: a useful example, would be to convert add-install-client, etc. to ksh93.
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[00:24:29] <axisys> how do i tell sol10u2 to boot in single user mode but enable ssh? i want to install recommended patch cluster remotely thru ssh.. no console acces to my ultra 20
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[00:25:01] <gisburn> gdamore: yes, but unfortunately addinstallclient must be able to run on any solaris >= 8, right ?
[00:25:11] <gisburn> gdamore: that rules the usage of ksh93 out.
[00:25:19] <gdamore> ah, good point.
[00:25:33] <gisburn> gdamore: ask again in... uhm... eight years... ;-(
[00:25:40] <gdamore> patchadd might be a good example.
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[00:26:29] <gisburn> gdamore: patchadd was converted into a braindead elf executable
[00:26:48] <gisburn> gdamore: suprisingly it is not much faster than the original
[00:27:12] * gdamore wrote a "curses"-ish based menu UI around addclient, etc., including qualcomm-cutomizations for additional configuration data, in dtksh about 5-6 years ago
[00:27:42] <gisburn> gdamore: it appears to be an 1:1 port to native code and ignores the optimisation in older ksh93-based patchadd versions.
[00:27:43] <gdamore> most of patchadd's time is probably spent walking the filesystem, and doing regular expression stuff anyway.
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[00:27:55] <gisburn> gdamore: sun has a ksh93 version of patchadd
[00:28:07] <gdamore> i knew about ksh88, not ksh93.
[00:28:30] <gisburn> gdamore: it was much much faster but it was droped because a dependicy to dtksh was not "desired".
[00:28:35] <gdamore> patchadd might need to run independent of the shell, in case ksh itself needs patched, i suppose
[00:28:46] <gisburn> gdamore: no.
[00:29:07] <richlowe> I'm not sure about patch*, but the package tools spent a whole lot of time dealing with /var/sadm/install/contents.
[00:29:10] <gisburn> gdamore: once the shell is running you only have to make sure that the inode data remains untouched.
[00:29:16] <richlowe> making that better will make a whole bunch of other stuff better too.
[00:29:28] <richlowe> but since patch* have to update that too, I would expect the same to apply.
[00:29:36] <richlowe> (unless patch* leave it with bad checksum and data info?)
[00:30:02] <gdamore> who knows.  the patch* scripts (haven't looked at the new .c code) were nearly impossible to grok.
[00:30:11] <gisburn> richlowe: the "trick" of the ksh93 version of patchadd was to use an accociative array for caching instead of streaming all the data through zillions of filters
[00:30:35] <gdamore> yes, that would run a lot faster, i'd think.
[00:31:09] <gdamore> in general patching seems much faster now.  but that might be because i'm no longer trying to install 200+ patches on a 32MB sparc classic running Solaris 2.5.1. :-)
[00:31:14] <axisys> so any SMF trick i can use to boot into single user mode but have ssh started as well?
[00:31:35] <gdamore> just run sshd manually?
[00:31:40] <richlowe> gdamore: when is "now" in that context?
[00:31:53] <richlowe> gdamore: I know that 8 and 9 still take *eons* to apply Recommended.
[00:32:00] <axisys> gdamore: i dont have console access :-)
[00:32:06] <axisys> gdamore: just ssh
[00:32:11] <tsoome> axisys: just kill as many services as you can:)
[00:32:12] <gdamore> hahaha.  2.5.1 in the context i gave would take ~24 hours to apply Recommended.
[00:32:18] <gisburn> richlowe: 10 needs eons, too.
[00:32:41] <richlowe> gdamore: yeah, but that's going to be on a very different system :)
[00:32:42] <gdamore> a quick hack I made to use ksh builtins reduced that to ~12 hours.
[00:32:46] <richlowe> gdamore: I'm thinking of a V100, and many, many hours.
[00:32:52] <gisburn> richlowe: the solution was to eol all slower machines for sparc... =:-)
[00:33:07] <richlowe> which combined with Sun refusing to support you if you install them multi-user, means either much, much, downtime , or liveupgrade.
[00:33:27] <gdamore> or just don't patch. :-)
[00:33:32] <gisburn> yep
[00:33:35] <gisburn> my god
[00:33:43] <gisburn> who wrote /usr/xpg4/bin/tr ?
[00:33:48] <richlowe> which reminds me of the log(7D) problem someone was having earlier.
[00:33:50] <gisburn> Where is the source for "tr" ?
[00:33:56] <richlowe> if you installed the patch that did that in multi-user, don't do it again.
[00:33:57] <gdamore> src/cmd/tr?
[00:34:30] <gdamore> nope.  NFI where tr's source is
[00:34:59] <richlowe> $CLOSED/cmd/tr
[00:35:12] <gisburn> IMO the author of "tr" should get a nice warm place in h*ll, too.
[00:35:21] <gdamore> and wtf!?  sed appears to be closed source too?
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[00:35:27] <richlowe> gdamore: isn't it fun.
[00:35:48] <richlowe> gdamore: at least you can go find out who owns them, and thus thinks they're valuable in some way :)
[00:35:53] <gdamore> why not just pick up NetBSD's sed, if we can't get rights to release ours?
[00:35:55] <gisburn> The thing runs zillions of mallocs for simple filtering and quazilions of seeks()
[00:36:20] <richlowe> gdamore: when the test suites open, if they're exhaustive enough, it would be worth doing, yes.
[00:36:22] <gisburn> gdamore: you can use ksh93 instead of sed
[00:36:38] * gdamore smacks gisburn
[00:36:41] <richlowe> gdamore: right now, testing it for compatibility with "what it's always done" wouldn't be so easy.
[00:36:48] <axisys> tsoome: sh install_cluster  prompts this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DkfHMp59.html
[00:36:53] <gisburn> gdamore: HARDER!
[00:36:56] <axisys> tsoome: what the hell is this passcode?
[00:37:04] * gdamore smacks gisburn with baseball bat.
[00:37:05] <tsoome> read readme
[00:37:08] <gisburn> gdamore: HARDER!
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[00:37:26] * gdamore smacks gisburn with komodo dragon.
[00:37:31] <tsoome> its written down there
[00:37:37] * gisburn dies.
[00:37:37] <richlowe> But yeah, anything that killed closed bins would no doubt be appreciated by all.
[00:37:42] <richlowe> ... if they were well tested and compatible.
[00:37:58] <tsoome> .oO or grep it
[00:38:08] <gdamore> i gotta think it wouldn't be too hard to do some compatibility tests.
[00:38:09] <axisys> newboot
[00:38:16] <tsoome> bingo:)
[00:38:18] <gisburn> richlowe: I think the ksh93 thing would kill lots of stuff... at least "test", "pwd", "sleep" etc. are replaced almost instantly.
[00:38:39] <richlowe> gisburn: you and I talked about that before, it could trivially kill any command that is really 'alias.sh'
[00:38:45] <richlowe> there's 17 of them, if I recall correctly.
[00:38:52] <tsoome> the one who invented that, he was real joker...
[00:38:52] <gisburn> richlowe: yep :-)
[00:39:05] <gisburn> richlowe: actually 17+1
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[00:39:16] <gisburn> richlowe: /usr/bin/test and /usr/xpg4/bin/test
[00:40:00] <gdamore> btw, i think my case for /usr/bin/id vs. /usr/xpg4/bin/id will go to fasttrack on monday.  i've submitted all the materials, at least.
[00:40:22] <gisburn> gdamore: ping!
[00:40:28] <gdamore> (actually, i found some weirdness, like id -p -u is valid, but id -u -p is not.
[00:40:34] <gdamore> ack.
[00:40:41] <gisburn> gdamore: do you have time to help me with the "pwd" fasttrack, please ?
[00:40:52] <gdamore> what do you need?
[00:41:10] <gisburn> gdamore: fasttrack document... :-)
[00:41:14] * gisburn writes the code.
[00:41:31] <gdamore> there is no formal one, but hang on and i'll find a sample template that worked for me.
[00:41:58] <gisburn> gdamore: the idea is to add the -L and -P options to /usr/bin/pwd
[00:44:30] <gdamore> gisburn: http://garrett.damore.org/software/opensolaris/id.fasttrack
[00:45:26] <gdamore> note that this fasttrack hasn't actually been submitted yet, but my sponsor has basically said it looked good.
[00:45:49] <gdamore> its a bit different than my earlier kstat (which was accepted) fasttrack, but this is closer to what you are proposing, i think
[00:45:59] <gisburn> gdamore: who is your sponsor ? don ?
[00:46:39] <gdamore> yes, don cragun
[00:47:12] <gisburn> gdamore: BTW. feel free to use shell-discuss at opensolaris dot org for such things.
[00:48:50] <gdamore> tks.  i wouldn't normally be getting involved with a CLI utility at all, but people were whining about all the POSIX features that were missing from various utilities.
[00:49:07] <gdamore> so i did my fair share, picked up one, and did the work.  (granted, I picked the _easiest_ of them, IMO.)
[00:49:24] <gdamore> meanwhile, I muddle on with kernel stuff....
[00:52:00] <gdamore> whoa!  wtf do we shipp "kill" as both an xpg4 and a historic version?  is there some posix behavioral difference?
[00:52:11] <gisburn> gdamore: no
[00:52:22] <Gman> last call for entries in the opensolaris weekly news..
[00:52:24] <gisburn> gdamore: xpg4 uses /usr/xpg4/bin/sh
[00:52:44] <gisburn> Gman: ksh93-integration prototype004 ready.
[00:53:01] <gdamore> gisburn: so?  who cares.  i think the builtin commands for kill (and even the syntax for the basename command) is the same in POSIX and non-posix cases
[00:53:12] <gisburn> gdamore: yes.
[00:53:38] <gisburn> gdamore: it's the same thing as for /usr/xpg4/bin/test vs. /usr/bin/test
[00:53:43] <Gman> gisburn, is it interesting?
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[00:54:08] <gisburn> gdamore: someone thought it's neccesary to have xpg4 versions of the commands if they use the shell builtins.
[00:54:23] <gisburn> Gman: only for those who want to test ksh93 right now.
[00:54:37] <gisburn> Gman: more interesting is the new ksh93 update, but that is not ready yet
[00:55:26] <Gman> gisburn, ok, doesn't seem milestone enough to include
[00:55:34] <sahafeez> about to drag + drop on sxcr 50 w/vermillion 52. any bets?
[00:55:52] <sahafeez> ha, cannot even log in.
[00:55:56] <gisburn> sahafeez: you loose.
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[00:57:58] <sahafeez> rm .gc* .gn* in root lets me log in...drag and drop time!
[00:58:51] <sahafeez> nice. the mouse moves but no icons on the desktop...i love jds
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[00:59:26] <sahafeez> i am going back to ga on this box i think..
[00:59:34] * gdamore thinks there should be an announced plan to move all of /usr/xpg4/bin/* into /usr/bin, and to publish a legacy version seperately, in /usr/compat or something.  announce plans for it in S11, do it in S12.
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[01:02:20] <gdamore> OMG: look at /usr/xpg6/bin/xargs for a case where having a separate command utility is insane.
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[01:02:30] <richlowe> gdamore: that's a *lot* of stuff to test, and possibly change.
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[01:02:58] <gdamore> richlowe: yes.  but posix compatible by "default" would be a good thing, i think.
[01:03:06] <richlowe> and I've looked at several things, there's many I'd really like to see the justifications for.
[01:03:18] <richlowe> I just don't think bugging arc-discuss for my own amusement is a good idea :)
[01:03:47] <Doc> there's a discussion group for the arc compression utility? coool!
[01:04:06] <gdamore> haha.
[01:04:52] <Gman> OpenSolaris Weekly News #35 - http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2006-October/021302.html
[01:05:17] <gdamore> having _two_ binaries on disk for xpg6/bin/xargs, that's nuts.  the only difference is that XPG6 allows an empty string to be specified as an argument to -E, whereas the sun version errors out in that case.
[01:06:03] <gdamore> i'm tempted to file an arc case for this one.  its a PITA, but it will save 14K of disk space. ;-)
[01:06:26] <Doc> compression is good like what
[01:07:07] <richlowe> gdamore: the issue with this stuff is the chicken and egg problem.
[01:07:21] <gdamore> ?
[01:07:30] <richlowe> *We* can't file fasttracks.
[01:07:33] <richlowe> we need a sponsor to.
[01:07:42] <richlowe> which means having a sponsor before you know whether the work can be done...
[01:07:57] <richlowe> plocher keeps ducking out of that stuff in each proposal re the ARC stuff, and people keep calling him on it.
[01:08:01] <richlowe> eventually, maybe, it'll get done.
[01:08:15] <richlowe> (not only an arc sponsor, but an os.o sponsor...)
[01:08:28] <gdamore> yeah, the dual sponsorship thing is a real PITA.
[01:08:51] <richlowe> it's not so much the duality, but the fact that there's certain cases where you're stuck in limbo with it.
[01:09:25] <Doc> yes, but how else do you suggest (at this stage) we could do it?
[01:09:39] <Doc> we really dont want just anyone filing fast-tracks
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[01:09:49] <richlowe> Doc: you need an arc licensees *anyway*.
[01:09:52] <richlowe> Doc: even internal people.
[01:09:58] <richlowe> 'licensee'
[01:10:05] <gdamore> i can't believe that someone bothered to go thru the process of getting man page changes, and source changes, just to add a new feature required for POSIX instead of just adding the behavior to /bin/xargs.
[01:10:33] <Doc> nfi.. never done arc stuff, although my name seems to appear on a fair few of them for some reason
[01:10:39] <gdamore> Doc: I'd be willing to act as an external ARC intern, if it were possible for me to.
[01:10:56] <richlowe> Doc: it's not a problem with the sponsorship model, per se. (that's what I was explaining, baddly, to gdamore), but the fact that so many other things Don't Work for us, that we need sponsors or similar for trivial tasks.
[01:11:09] <richlowe> Hell, I have to ask Glynn just to add me to a CR interest list, or update a CR I filed.
[01:11:21] <richlowe> in theory, that would require 'a sponsor', or the like, not just an @sun person willing. :)
[01:11:26] <gisburn> gdamore: ---> /msg
[01:12:00] * gisburn kicks gdamore that he starts to register himself.
[01:12:05] <richlowe> Doc: and yes, you do want "just anyone" filing fast tracks.
[01:12:14] <richlowe> Doc: in much the same way that the bug triage-queue stuff is foolish.
[01:12:21] <richlowe> it does nothing but demonstrate a complete lack of trust.
[01:12:22] <gdamore> how tf do I "register" myself?
[01:12:27] <richlowe> and frankly, makes you all look like asses. :)
[01:13:06] <Doc> trust is bad, m'kay?
[01:13:10] <gdamore> bug triage makes sense for "unauthorized" people.  but known good external submitters should be able to skip triage, IMO.
[01:13:22] <gdamore> that would require authentication, though, to.
[01:13:24] <jmcp_> gdamore: /msg nickserv register (password)
[01:13:25] <gdamore> too.
[01:13:35] <richlowe> gdamore: so far I've had one CR clased duplicate of a CR I couldn't see any detail for.
[01:13:44] <richlowe> gdamore: two recategorized because I asked them to be, because the cats I needed weren't available.
[01:13:49] <richlowe> and the rest put exactly where I wanted them, as best as I know.
[01:13:57] <richlowe> But yet they "need" to be triaged?
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[01:14:10] <gdamore> gisburn, i registered gdamore a long time ago.  i don't understand the problem
[01:14:18] <richlowe> gdamore: you have to identify to nickserv.
[01:14:23] <richlowe> gdamore: /m nickserv identify <password>
[01:14:32] <gdamore> hmm... i thought gaim did that automatically for me.
[01:14:51] <gisburn> gdamore: no.
[01:14:51] <richlowe> it'd actually be easier for Roland to '/m nickserv set unfiltered on', it's a stupid feature anyway :)
[01:15:10] <Doc> i wore a fake Tag for 3 years, then when it started leaving a rash on my hand i bought a real one which is so far up to about 9 years
[01:15:13] <Doc> blah
[01:15:14] <gdamore> okay, well, i'm "identified" now.
[01:15:20] <gisburn> richlowe: well, it keeps the spammers away.
[01:15:36] <richlowe> gisburn: obviously not.
[01:15:40] <Doc> the fact things are not visable is a hard problem ot solve
[01:15:46] <richlowe> gisburn: I turned it off the moment I saw how, and haven't had any problems.
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[01:15:59] <richlowe> Doc: I know, that was just an example of the cases CR's have been triaged somehow other than as filed.
[01:16:00] <Doc> its part history, part ppl not knowing what they are doing (and by that i mean sun ppl), and part security
[01:16:36] <gdamore> richlowe: clearly they need a way to get some external people access to the bug database.  the ability to add comments, submit new bugs, and see the outstanding bugs from a real-time database would be nice.
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[01:17:53] <richlowe> gdamore: honestly, I have doubts that will happen anytime soon.
[01:18:05] <richlowe> not least because any attempt to talk about the problems with this, just leads to a "we know", and nothing changing.
[01:18:10] <richlowe> or in some cases a promise of change that never happens.
[01:18:12] * gdamore volunteers to be part of the early beta test for trusted external user access to the database.
[01:18:35] <richlowe> gdamore: there's no coordination via your employer for such things?
[01:18:52] <Doc> blah.. just wait until we make a profit, and then thethings are more likely to occur faster :)
[01:19:08] <richlowe> Doc: it's the whole appearance of honesty and trust thing.
[01:19:16] <richlowe> Doc: actually saying "We're screwed and can't fix that" is one thing.
[01:19:17] <gdamore> not really.
[01:19:23] <richlowe> ignoring the problem, or pretending it's been fixed is just outright not cool.
[01:19:30] <richlowe> 'being' not 'been'
[01:19:44] <gdamore> i have engineering contacts at sun, but i still don't have any "special" access other than NDA source code and a few engineering names...
[01:19:47] <Doc> things are changing, although ill admit slowly
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[01:20:06] <richlowe> when I explained what was "in the process" of being done, (and has been for nearly a year) last, the response I got was "Wow, that's awful"
[01:20:07] <Doc> the fact that you can even be added to the interest list for aCR is new, and took some real effort to do
[01:20:13] <richlowe> ... but it's still not done.
[01:20:41] <Gman> Doc, have you seen the output? it's depressing
[01:20:57] <richlowe> the notification stuff is not exactly depressing.
[01:20:58] <Doc> i havent
[01:20:59] <richlowe> it's hilarious.
[01:21:05] <richlowe> just in a very very dark way.
[01:21:12] * Gman suspects the real effort went into subb'ing out the email addresses with 'xxxx'
[01:21:13] <gdamore> richlowe: you should have seen how close to impossible it was to get any changes into the _old_ bugtraq+ system.  i don't know if the people who maintain it are any different now, but 4 years ago the system was totally stagnant.
[01:21:18] <richlowe> Gman: not just email address!
[01:21:21] <richlowe> Gman: *BUILD NUMBERS*
[01:21:23] <Gman> yeah :/
[01:21:36] <Doc> gdamore: thats why it was replaced
[01:21:43] <richlowe> Gman: CR i fixed last week, the notification I got when Danek marked it closed told me 'Fixed In Build xx', 'Integrated in Build xx'
[01:21:48] <Doc> bugster is (apparently) much easier for them to make changes in
[01:21:58] <richlowe> because you know, you can't possibly trust me whit the build my own code went back to... ;)
[01:22:08] <Doc> ok, that sounds like a bug
[01:22:10] <gdamore> so what's the hold up in this, is it just getting legal to agree?
[01:22:14] <richlowe> Doc: no, it's intentional.
[01:22:15] <Gman> richlowe, heh, nice
[01:22:16] <richlowe> Doc: just fucking moronic.
[01:22:27] <richlowe> sorry, I should have worded that better.
[01:22:32] <Doc> hiding the build number is intentionaal?
[01:22:45] <Doc> you sure it was a nevada build, not an s10 build or something like that?
[01:23:01] <Gman> karyn's reply to my 'oh man' mail about b.o.o said that she probably should have added a 'this won't really help you' warning :(
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[01:25:22] <richlowe> Doc: certain.
[01:25:59] <richlowe> Gman: if they know it's useless, why let it happen that way?
[01:26:15] <Gman> richlowe, because they were more hopeful to begin with?
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[01:26:18] <richlowe> Gman: as you know, the Sun people I've shown that stuff to have all been as surprised as I was, so it's clearly not common knowledge.
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[01:26:33] <Doc> of course its not - we get the real data :)
[01:26:51] <richlowe> Doc: yeah, but you'd think tonic folk would know that we were getting junk. :)
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[01:28:17] <delewis> richlowe: are you referring to the email that's sent out after you submit a bug report that's basically a recitation of the information you submitted within the bug report, and afterwards, you fail to get any more communication for the bug unless someone within Sun explicitly contacts you?
[01:29:16] * delewis obviously missed the bulk of the conversation
[01:29:16] <richlowe> delewis: no, that mail is the entire set of information stored in the CR
[01:29:24] <richlowe> because at that point it *clearly* can't be confidential.
[01:29:36] <richlowe> However, if you're on the interest list for a CR, the information sent to you on modification is worse than useless.
[01:29:40] <richlowe> *everything* of value is masked out.
[01:29:48] <delewis> interesting
[01:30:09] <gdamore> once upon a time, there used to be a way for bugs to be marked as "confidential", so that the data couldn't be shared with partners, etc.  i don't know if bugster still has the ability.
[01:30:16] <richlowe> so far the only information I've had passed through intact, are state changes, are additions to Related Bugs.
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[01:30:37] <richlowe> gdamore: it doesn't, they've said.
[01:30:47] <richlowe> rather, it does, via various means.
[01:30:54] <richlowe> but not in a way that's useful.
[01:30:58] <gdamore> what i'd really, really like, is a way for some set of vetted community members to get a more complete access to the database/tool.  that tool could strip out/hide confidential bugs.
[01:31:05] <richlowe> if you mark them as security related, they're hidden *entirely*.
[01:31:14] <richlowe> but there's no way to flag specific parts of a bug as confidential, yet others as visible.
[01:31:28] <richlowe> gdamore: I agree with the principle, but it's a broken idea.
[01:31:30] <gdamore> it used to be, IIRC, that the "comments" field was always confidential.
[01:31:34] <richlowe> "vetted community members" is not enough.
[01:31:38] <richlowe> gdamore: That is still the case.
[01:31:42] <gdamore> it would be a good start.
[01:31:45] <richlowe> gdamore: except Evaluation is also hidden.
[01:31:55] <richlowe> and many other things, some of them with no hope of confidentiality.
[01:31:57] <richlowe> just oversight.
[01:32:05] <gdamore> Evaluation should not be confidential (except for security bugs)
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[01:32:16] <richlowe> it's confidential because it *may* contain snippets of closed code.
[01:32:31] <gdamore> oh, crap.  gotta love that.
[01:34:03] <gdamore> all the more reason to remove/replace or open as much of the closed code as possible
[01:35:07] <delewis> well, things are getting better, albeit slowly -- we've at least got a real-time mirror of the internal Teamware ON repo now.
[01:36:01] <delewis> but I also hate to say it -- this situation is sound more and more synonymous with Apple and the OpenDarwin project
[01:36:38] <delewis> (i.e. getting essential parts closed, miniscule community access to internal bug databases, `were Apple goes, the community follows', etc.)
[01:36:47] <delewis> s/were/where/
[01:37:49] <richlowe> delewis: it's far, far better than what apple have.
[01:38:06] <richlowe> there aren't actually many *essential* parts closed.
[01:38:07] <delewis> richlowe: no doubt.
[01:38:19] <richlowe> there's two sparc platforms, and the i18n bits of libc, that are 'essential'
[01:38:24] <delewis> richlowe: well, I think there's some varying opinions on that
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[01:38:30] <delewis> especially for SPARC users/developers.
[01:38:31] <richlowe> there's i18n bits of libc, and the sparc dissassembler that are required to build.
[01:38:50] <richlowe> delewis: I forget the sparc platforms in question, sadly.
[01:39:00] <richlowe> ents is one, I forget the other.
[01:39:09] <delewis> I suppose the situation is much better for us -- Apple kept bits closed that hendered the build process by not making them available.
[01:39:22] <delewis> Sun has at least made the closed bits available in binary form for re-distribution, etc.
[01:39:26] <richlowe> delewis: apple kept bits closed because they wanted them closed, not because they weren't able to open them.
[01:39:32] <richlowe> I would sincerely hope that Sun wouldn't even try that stunt.
[01:39:36] <delewis> richlowe: true
[01:39:49] <gdamore> we (the community and Sun both) can do better, but it will take some more time.
[01:39:56] <Doc> hmm.. Oracle is going to offer RedHat Support
[01:39:57] <delewis> "We can't let anyone see our APM/ACPI code for the Macbook!"
[01:39:59] <Doc> is, support for the OS itself
[01:40:31] <Godsey> Doc: much speculation that it's to drive RH shares down for buyout :)
[01:40:36] <Doc> err..  ie  even
[01:40:46] <gdamore> in the meantime, i recommend a new keyword, "closed" be added to the database, and make all new bugs default to "false".  Then bugs could automatically be opened up to "vetted users" based on that keyword.
[01:40:57] <delewis> well, they aren't providing support for Red Hat (at least I don't they are)
[01:41:06] <Doc> i would love a new keyboard right now... this spanish one is driving me batty
[01:41:07] <delewis> they are providing support for their own Red Hat clone
[01:42:08] <gdamore> Doc: you can probably get a type 6 _cheap_ from Sun.  If they still have them.
[01:42:20] <delewis> which means customers will have access to Red Hat updates, but also the Oracle-RH-clone-specific ones.
[01:42:29] <Doc> i can get type 7s free, why would i want a type 6? :)
[01:42:42] <gdamore> so quit yer bitchin' then. :-)
[01:42:47] <Doc> unfortunately i dont know how to order consumables in Peru :)
[01:43:16] <gdamore> that's what SunIT is for. :-)
[01:43:23] <richlowe> the type7 is real nice.
[01:43:33] <richlowe> I haven't been this happy with a keyboard in a long long time.
[01:43:36] * gdamore would like to see the type 7.
[01:43:38] <delewis> richlowe: Type 5 quality, at least?
[01:43:45] * delewis plans on ordering one shortly
[01:43:58] <richlowe> I'm not sure if it's on a par with the 5, but it's light years better than the 6.
[01:44:01] <gdamore> the type 5 keyboards were _soo_ nice.
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[01:44:19] <gdamore> the 5c, otoh, was pretty much the same as the type6, IMO
[01:44:29] <delewis> slightly better
[01:44:41] <delewis> the chassis for the 5c was better than the 6 chassis
[01:44:46] <delewis> (which actually bends)
[01:44:46] <jerome__> agreed
[01:44:51] <gdamore> marginally.
[01:44:54] <delewis> feedback was similar to the Type 6, though
[01:45:03] <Doc> only problem is that my type 7 mouse started to squeak
[01:45:10] * delewis is typing on a Type 6 now
[01:45:11] <delewis> :-(
[01:45:14] <boyd> Good grief it must be time for the keyboard conversation again.
[01:45:17] * boyd looks at watch
[01:45:18] <jerome__> is there any possible way to get a sun 5c keyboard on a peecee?
[01:45:18] <gdamore> haha.
[01:45:28] <gdamore> not without magic hardware conversion.
[01:45:34] <jerome__> k
[01:45:37] <jerome__> that's what I thought
[01:45:40] <gdamore> sun 5c is custom serial hardware.
[01:45:44] <delewis> there are Type 5<->PS2 converters.
[01:45:47] <jerome__> that's my understanding
[01:45:48] <jerome__> cool
[01:45:51] <delewis> and Type 5<->USB converters
[01:45:52] <jerome__> time to grab one
[01:45:54] <Doc> yup, sun even sold them for a while
[01:45:54] <boyd> They're quite expensive IIRC
[01:45:58] <delewis> yes
[01:46:01] <delewis> about $60 USD
[01:46:02] <gdamore> i thought it let you plug a ps2 into a type 5 port
[01:46:03] <jerome__> wow
[01:46:10] <gdamore> not the other way around?
[01:46:15] <Doc> i think we stole all but 1 of the ones in our warehouse :)
[01:46:23] <delewis> gdamore: I think there are some for the other way around
[01:46:24] <boyd> Doc: Bastards
[01:46:26] <Doc> anyway, i suppose i should be getting to the airport
[01:46:33] <delewis> but of course, they're a bit more than an actual adapter :-)
[01:46:36] <boyd> Have a nice flight
[01:46:41] <delewis> there's an actual box with some electrical circuitry in it
[01:46:48] <Godsey> one of my kvms came w/ a bunch of those adaptors (to ps/2)
[01:46:50] <jerome__> Dowhere are you goin
[01:46:53] <boyd> You can get a schematic on the net somewhere
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[01:48:22] <boyd> AARRGHHH my freaking telco!
[01:48:27] <boyd> Sorry about that
[01:48:29] <delewis> regardless, the Type 5 specification is public, anyway.
[01:48:34] <delewis> it's a SPARC Intl. standard
[01:48:41] <soylent> true
[01:48:44] <delewis> shouldn't be that hard to make your own
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[01:50:25] <boyd> IIRC you need a microcontroller and some support circuitry
[01:50:43] <delewis> nothing an FPGA couldn't handle
[01:51:00] <gdamore> yes.  we (tadpole) have produced designs for them in the past (we have a type5 keyboard in the Ultrabook IIi)
[01:51:08] <boyd> Maybe...
[01:51:43] <gdamore> actually, the Ultrabook IIi keyboard is even _nicer_ than the type 5, IMO.  unfortunately, we switched to a cheaper design in newer laptops that I find far less pleasant
[01:53:22] <boyd> Sun kbd to USB would be nicer..
[01:54:35] <boyd> This might help someone
[01:54:36] <boyd> http://www.buzzard.me.uk/jonathan/sunkbd.html
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[02:00:27] <Godsey> I finally got a 64bit system to tinker w/ zfs
[02:01:07] <spawrq> you don't need a 64-bit system to use zfs
[02:01:23] <Godsey> I'm planning on installing Solaris Express B50 or would I be better off w/ 6/06?
[02:01:37] <Godsey> spawrq: I was told I need to move to 64bit to avoid problems I was having.
[02:01:46] <spawrq> what problems were those ?
[02:02:06] <Godsey> zfs locking the system after creating many filesystems
[02:02:13] <spawrq> hmm
[02:02:20] <spawrq> like how many filesystems?
[02:02:31] <Godsey> from poor memory, around 3k
[02:02:36] <spawrq> weird
[02:02:47] <spawrq> guess I'm safe with my 3.  =)
[02:02:54] <Godsey> I want 20k :)
[02:03:07] <spawrq> heh heh
[02:03:34] <richlowe> I've had 2,500-ish without issue, beyond it lengthening boot time.
[02:04:20] <Godsey> richlowe: it's been a few months since I was here trying to trouble shoot my issues
[02:04:29] <Godsey> actually, it's probably been a year :)
[02:04:48] <Godsey> b17 I believe
[02:04:58] <richlowe> you won't have had zfs in b17.
[02:05:01] <richlowe> it went back into b27.
[02:05:03] <richlowe> typo? :)
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[02:05:39] <Godsey> I'm trying to find logs of this chan now :)
[02:05:52] <Godsey> then I'll have better date and # of fs I was able to create
[02:07:08] <spawrq> i've got 0606 on a P4, i think i'll try creating a shitload of filesystems for yucks.
[02:07:41] <Godsey> http://godsey.net/jason/solaris/zfsrip.png
[02:07:55] <Godsey> ok, looks like I got to 7558 :)
[02:08:03] <Godsey> but it was REAL SLOW for along time before that :)
[02:08:15] <Godsey> it was back in march
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[02:08:52] <Godsey> last was b30
[02:09:03] <Godsey> *Before* it was pulled the first time
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[02:12:11] <Godsey> jmcpAtSun told me to try 64bit :)
[02:12:43] <Godsey> I'm going to shove my system into the colo space tomorrow so I'm not sure if I should use SXCR or 06/2006 for my test bed
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[02:15:42] <sahafeez> 6/2006
[02:16:54] <sahafeez> if it is production
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[02:18:50] <Godsey> I'm now waiting for the .exe to extract the 06/2006 dvd image
[02:19:51] <Godsey> and from what I can tell, if I pay $99/yr I get access to updates for 06/2006?
[02:20:00] * spawrq creates 15,000 filesystems.
[02:20:23] <Godsey> spawrq: it worked?
[02:20:28] <spawrq> godsey- working
[02:20:32] <Godsey> ah ok :)
[02:20:37] <spawrq> its at 256 now
[02:20:39] <Godsey> did you see my screenshot?
[02:20:47] <spawrq> no
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[02:21:01] <Godsey> perf meter shows RIP for everything :)
[02:21:08] <spawrq> hrmm
[02:21:30] <spawrq> crappy little ide drive is working on it... =)
[02:21:42] <spawrq> 550 so far
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[02:22:01] <spawrq> 660
[02:22:38] <Godsey> if it gets up to 10 seconds between creations stop it or you won't like it :)
[02:22:51] <spawrq> hahaha
[02:22:52] <spawrq> its a test box
[02:22:54] <Godsey> I was never able to recover from it
[02:22:57] <spawrq> if it dies, that's fine.
[02:23:03] <Godsey> the system would try mounting them at boot and die :)
[02:23:08] <spawrq> o
[02:23:33] <spawrq> wow, the time is WAAAAY off on this box.
[02:24:06] <spawrq> 1151
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[02:24:26] <spawrq> I shall go fold some laundry and check it again in a few minutes.
[02:25:35] <spawrq> hmm
[02:25:39] <spawrq> laundry wasn't ready.
[02:25:46] <spawrq> 1500
[02:27:51] <spawrq> closing in on 2000
[02:28:42] <spawrq> 2150
[02:28:49] <spawrq> heh
[02:28:52] <Godsey> is your pool raidz?
[02:29:45] <spawrq> no
[02:30:22] <spawrq> i can try that tomorrow at work
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[02:30:26] <spawrq> ah crap
[02:30:42] <spawrq> all the machines with enough drives are all opterons or sparcs.
[02:30:43] <Godsey> when /usr is shared among zones, shared libs are shared in memory between them also right?
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[02:34:15] <spawrq> 3300
[02:34:16] <spawrq> =)
[02:34:54] <Godsey> this NOSSO app Sun is using to rebuild the DVD image is sooooo slow
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[02:37:27] <Gman> richlowe, if it makes you feel better, the notification stuff on the jds svn repo is working peachily
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[02:38:45] <Godsey> I'll be mightily happy if I'm able to utilize zfs+zones for my new project
[02:39:24] <Godsey> my first commercial endevor started on a sparc2 clone in 94
[02:39:37] <spawrq> 4550
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[02:39:44] <Godsey> perfect
[02:39:52] <Godsey> I can get by w/ 4000 I think
[02:39:59] <spawrq> =)
[02:40:07] <spawrq> i've set the script to goto 15,000
[02:40:21] <richlowe> Gman: the problem with the ON stuff hasn't been specified well enough to know what's actually happening.
[02:40:25] <richlowe> Gman: see my response to Danek.
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[02:40:47] <Godsey> I wrote a customer self managment portal that creates filesystems for each new mail user
[02:41:04] <Godsey> and they can set folder quotas (which makes another fs for that folder)
[02:41:22] <Gman> richlowe, yeah, though that's kinda the same with the svn stuff too
[02:41:31] <Gman> [kinda]
[02:41:41] <Gman> although obviously only one scm to deal with
[02:41:50] <richlowe> see msg, too. :)
[02:42:10] <Gman> ;0
[02:43:20] <Error_404> yum... pluma moos
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[02:45:06] <Godsey> sahafeez: is the 06/2006 for production recomendation because of the update path or stability?
[02:45:35] <spawrq> its all regression tested, etc.
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[02:46:12] <Godsey> it's been a while *cob webs*, will I need to use blastwave or sunfreeway to get gcc seperatly w/ 6/06?
[02:46:17] <sahafeez> ah, stability, but i am not the guy to ask as i have been beating my head against 49/50 for days now.
[02:46:24] <sahafeez> no
[02:46:37] <spawrq> 5321 and counting. =D
[02:46:41] <sahafeez> i think it is in /usr/sfw/bin
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[02:47:16] <spawrq> system seems to be slowing down a little ...
[02:47:24] <spawrq> well
[02:47:25] <spawrq> maybe not.
[02:47:36] <spawrq> oh it was grepping the filesystems, n/m
[02:47:39] <spawrq> duh
[02:48:13] <richlowe> gisburn: processes attempt to stay on the cpu_t they last ran on, if that fails, they attempt to stay within the same locality group.
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[02:48:49] <richlowe> they may attempt to stay on the same chip_t also, but I'm not certain.
[02:49:06] <richlowe> (using cpu_t and chip_t rather than other terms to try and avoid confusing myself, since they don't mean what they logically should...)
[02:49:10] <Sieghard> ok i submitted bug # 6487492
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[02:49:49] <gisburn> Does anyone know whether SCCS replaces "%H" with own values or only "%H%" ?
[02:49:56] <richlowe> only %H%
[02:50:20] <richlowe> but any situation where those 3 characters appear in that order.
[02:50:21] <richlowe> :)
[02:51:08] <richlowe> gisburn: is there a reason you're asking about %H% in specific?
[02:51:25] <richlowe> or was that just a random letter?
[02:52:19] <gisburn> no, just "%H" because the libcmd/date.c code uses ...%H%... which causes some headcaches for April.
[02:52:36] <gisburn> richlowe: I'd like to make a patch for David Korn to fix that in the upstream source
[02:52:41] <richlowe> ah, ok.
[02:52:48] <gisburn> richlowe: e.g. "%H" ---> "%" "H"
[02:52:54] <richlowe> I was going to say, %H% and %D% are actually pretty useless.
[02:52:56] <richlowe> but now it all makes sense :)
[02:53:13] <gisburn> richlowe: is it %H or %H% ?
[02:53:20] <richlowe> %H%
[02:53:40] <richlowe> gisburn: they're documented in sccs-get(1), if you want the full list.
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[02:53:54] <gisburn> richlowe: I only need this for now.
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[02:54:29] <gisburn> richlowe: April did a good job in keeping track of such issues and I trust her that she found all places.
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[03:05:27] <Gman> man, from karyn's vague respin mail to james' vague what happened mail
[03:05:46] * Gman wonders where the open has got to in opensolaris
[03:06:05] <richlowe> it depends on if the consolidation in question is open or not.
[03:06:08] <richlowe> and what the project in question is.
[03:06:16] <Gman> yeah, it's just silly though
[03:07:17] <gisburn> I guess these are the kernel packages for the nsasnifferbotd project (NSA sniffer bot deamon which will become mandatory on all systems that RIIA can check for illegal bittorrent data on your box)
[03:07:50] * sparc-kly is away: ZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz
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[03:13:49] * gdamore wonders if the only way that bugs get moved from triage is if Linda Bernal personally handles them.
[03:14:05] * gdamore thinks that there should be more automation this system.
[03:14:23] <richlowe> gdamore: no, there's a group of folks that move them out of triage, not just Linda.
[03:14:36] <richlowe> it used to be that the notification you got was Cc'd to a list of folks.
[03:14:46] <richlowe> I'm not sure if that's still the case, of if they're Bcc'd now, or what.
[03:15:16] <gdamore> it looks bcc'd now.
[03:15:17] <Gman> that is still the case
[03:15:19] <richlowe> you get the notification whenever Linda sends it though.
[03:15:20] <richlowe> literally.
[03:15:32] <Gman> some people have added themselves to the interest list for the triage-queue
[03:15:36] <gdamore> ah, that's why.  linda is the only way i get to know about changes.  great.
[03:15:37] <richlowe> which means you should never file a CR between about 5pm Friday, and 10am the next monday.
[03:15:45] <richlowe> because you won't get the ID at the very *least* until monday, and sometimes never.
[03:15:55] * richlowe is still waiting on 6487487 for instance.
[03:16:02] <Gman> what do you guys need?
[03:16:05] <gdamore> i just got mail from linda, so she must work in another timeszone, or somesuch
[03:16:15] <richlowe> Yeah, it seems odd I know the ID of a CR I'm still waiting for the ID off.
[03:16:23] <richlowe> but I know it because Gman kicks ass, not because the system doesn't suck :)
[03:16:27] <gdamore> e.g. 6487387.
[03:16:38] <twincest> gman++
[03:16:43] <gdamore> heh.
[03:16:55] <richlowe> gdamore: *just* got it?
[03:16:59] <gdamore> yep.
[03:17:04] <richlowe> wonder when/if mine will arrive then.
[03:17:12] <richlowe> it's the "if" part that's why weekends are a bad idea :)
[03:17:13] <gdamore> at 6:08, according to the headers
[03:17:18] <Gman> gdamore, you need a bug id?
[03:17:25] <gdamore> not especially.
[03:17:31] <Gman> ahh, you got it
[03:18:04] * Gman really doesn't mind being a bug bunny if it helps people out - just ping
[03:18:30] <gdamore> thanks Gman.  I might take advantage of that in the future.  bugids are useful when contacting e.g. arc-discuss
[03:18:39] <Gman> ok
[03:18:57] <gdamore> wow.  she's working now.  just got another one for the xargs bug I filed earlier today.
[03:19:32] <Gman> i doubt it ;)
[03:19:47] <gdamore> heh.  weird deja vu.
[03:19:56] <Gman> the bugs get automatically put into the triage queue from bugs.opensolaris.org
[03:19:59] <gdamore> but anyway, i notice my e-mail address is listed in Hook6.
[03:20:01] <Gman> since it uses a mail interface
[03:20:05] <Gman> right
[03:20:07] <richlowe> gdamore: with arc-discuss, you want case#'s, not IDs, generally.
[03:20:14] <Gman> then people hand triage it out of the queue into the appropriate area
[03:20:16] <richlowe> gdamore: in which case, opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog, and grep.
[03:20:26] <gdamore> i know i need case numbers, but i need bug numbers to record in the initial case submission.
[03:20:39] <richlowe> Oh, you meant PSARC in general.
[03:20:42] <Gman> or again, ask me
[03:20:49] <richlowe> sorry, the way John has the aliases set up is so confusing I lost track.
[03:21:05] <Gman> [though publically bitching about the lack of tools is also good]
[03:21:13] <richlowe> hopefully, the discussion around 2006/569 will fix that somewhat.
[03:21:22] <Godsey> spawrq: make it to 15k yet? :)
[03:21:37] <richlowe> gdamore: you don't actually need a CR ID in the arc paperwork. :)
[03:22:19] <spawrq> 11500
[03:22:42] <Godsey> well beyond where I failed
[03:22:43] <gdamore> richlowe: thanks.  but it is useful in some cases to have the bug number.
[03:22:55] <spawrq> well, i take that back
[03:22:58] <spawrq> 11,474
[03:23:00] <richlowe> gdamore: oh yeah, I was just saying, you don't *need* it always :)
[03:23:08] <spawrq> doesn't seem to be incrementing anymore
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[03:23:13] <Godsey> uhoh :)
[03:23:40] <spawrq> seems to be stuck at 11,474
[03:24:23] <gdamore> whoa.  the ksh 93 fasttrack has 443 messages in it.
[03:26:22] <spawrq> yep, looks like the box is getting angry
[03:26:47] * spawrq goes back to reading his book.
[03:26:48] <spawrq> =)
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[03:38:18] <gnu2it2> how do you get the us imap to start? installed from the companion cd
[03:38:27] <gnu2it2> autostart
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[03:45:29] <gdamore> how does one file a bug for man page
[03:45:42] <richlowe> cat manpages, subcat section$N
[03:45:52] <gdamore> thanks.
[03:46:17] <gdamore> read the description for ddi_intr_alloc and look for the behavior flag in the text.  :-)
[03:48:16] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/dar/entry/update_to_the_solaris_linux
[03:48:19] <Gman> [feedback welcome]
[03:49:28] <gdamore> Gman: expect feedback from me shortly. :-)
[03:51:57] <Godsey> Gman: funny, it seems like yesterday I was frusted that linux's openlook wasn't as good as my sparc :)
[03:54:24] <sahafeez> i have a list a mile long for you :)
[03:54:58] <sahafeez> anyone here dual boot linux and solaris on a sparc?
[03:55:34] <Godsey> looks like my quest to install solaris on my poweredge 860 has come to an end, it locks on boot :)
[03:56:18] <spawrq> welp
[03:56:22] <spawrq> looks like the box is very unhappy.
[03:58:40] * Godsey falls into deep slumber.
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[04:01:49] <axisys> tsoome: the recom patch cluster did not restore the pseudo log device
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[04:16:05] <gisburn> does anyone know a clever way to FORCE solaris to use 64k pages for library mappings ?
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[04:33:50] <gdamore> anyone know a convenient way to find the interrupt assigned to a device?
[04:33:51] <gisburn> When I have a debug build - is there any flag which I can use to disable "-g" ?
[04:34:02] <gdamore> redefine COPT?
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[04:34:33] <richlowe> you don't want to disable -g
[04:34:50] <richlowe> the CTF tools convert dwarf/stabs information to CTF.
[04:34:54] <gdamore> richlowe++
[04:34:57] <richlowe> without -g, you don't have that information, and they become unhappy.
[04:35:19] <sahafeez> gdamore: one of the prt* commands. do not remember which.
[04:35:32] <richlowe> gdamore: echo "::interrupts" | mdb -k
[04:36:05] <sahafeez> ah, cool. adds that to my notes
[04:36:06] <gisburn> richlowe: I realised that I can shrink the number of pages by more than 40% when I use -xMerge
[04:36:23] <gisburn> richlowe: however -xMerge is incompatible with -g
[04:36:25] * gdamore suddenly wonders (hopes?) if ::interrupts will work in Solaris 9 mdb.
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[04:43:55] <gisburn> ctf sucks rocks
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[04:44:20] <gisburn> so far I only see that LOTS of usefull optimisations are disabled to get the ctf stuff running.
[04:44:45] <gisburn> ... which completely ruins performance in some cases.
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[06:37:37] <sahafeez> b50 disk booted on my p3-600. woow! guess i should burn the other 4 disk now
[06:40:28] <jmcp_> sahafeez: nah, just nfs-mount them
[06:41:06] <sahafeez> interesting idea. lets see if i can do that.
[06:41:57] <jmcp_> sahafeez: Tpenta does it (or at least, used to do it) fairly frequently iirc
[06:42:35] <sahafeez> ok, cool. hum quick. solaris NIC names - iprb0 or elxl0 which is the intel or 3com
[06:43:19] <jmcp_> iprb => intel
[06:43:22] <jmcp_> elx => 3com
[06:43:53] <sahafeez> thanks. you were faster then google. i started to look right as i asked ;)
[06:44:08] <jengelh> google first, _then_ ask
[06:44:18] <jengelh> (in the ideal case)
[06:44:18] <jmcp_> I'lll
[06:44:20] <jmcp_> delay
[06:44:23] <sahafeez> i wanted to see if jmcp was faster!
[06:44:24] <jmcp_> my responses sufficiently
[06:44:25] <jmcp_> then
[06:44:26] <jmcp_> :)
[06:44:33] <jengelh> hah
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[06:45:22] <jengelh> oh well you did not get up just half an hour ago
[06:45:39] <sahafeez> no, about 16 hours ago
[06:45:54] <jmcp_> about 12 hours ago for me, though I didn't sleep at all well
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[06:51:40] <jmcp_> back later folks
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[06:54:46] <dwc-> i would have guessed iprb = intel pro .... elxl - etherlink, hence 3com
[06:55:04] <dwc-> or... typed in man elxl
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[07:01:00] <sahafeez> spoke to soon. locked up hard at "The system is being initialized, please wait..."
[07:01:18] <sahafeez> dwc - good point.
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[07:08:41] <Error_404> drats.
[07:09:08] <Error_404> I have this idea for a web startup, but fat lot of good it does me if I'm eating rice b/c i can't even afford ramen, let alone server rental
[07:09:33] <dwc-> what's wrong with rice?
[07:09:41] <Error_404> dwc-: nothing
[07:09:44] <heffnerd> rice is good
[07:09:45] <heffnerd> mmm
[07:09:52] <Error_404> my point is just that "ramen's too expensive, so i eat rice"
[07:09:53] <heffnerd> brown rice in bulk.  really cheap too
[07:09:58] <g4lt-U60> it sucks for people who want to go on Atkins ;P
[07:10:02] * dwc- eats rice all the time
[07:10:07] <Error_404> and server rental's even more expensive than ramen
[07:10:36] <dwc-> run it off your cable first
[07:10:41] <Error_404> "dear ventureone... pay my ass."
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[07:12:30] <Error_404> that'd work too
[07:12:37] <Error_404> though it'd be nice to have freetime to code
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[07:18:38] <Error_404> hey neat, Asterisk/Solaris beats the snot out of Asterisk/Linux
[07:18:43] <Error_404> about 3x as many calls
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[07:49:40] <sahafeez> url?
[07:49:53] <sahafeez> Error_404 url for asterisk/solaris testing?
[07:50:51] <Error_404> http://www.thrallingpenguin.com/articles/asterisk-solaris.htm
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[08:05:39] <sahafeez> i did not know there were drivers for the digium cards. i will have to look. i have a pri with asterisk on slackware right now
[08:07:52] <sahafeez> nope, no solaris drivers for the digium cards so the point is moot
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[08:10:06] <sahafeez> btw, if you have a really good idea, i mean good, i do know a vc or 2 and a few angles
[08:11:32] <dwc-> centos 3.7?
[08:11:41] <dwc-> isn't that kinda old?
[08:11:56] <dwc-> I thought they were on 4 by now
[08:12:17] <sahafeez> until zaptel runs on solaris it does not matter
[08:14:23] <Error_404> sahafeez: zaptel *does* run on solaris
[08:14:26] <Error_404> so, wish granted...
[08:14:32] <sahafeez> does?
[08:14:39] <boyd> dwc-: I thought so too... I guess it's based on the customers of RH that they're targetting
[08:14:56] <sahafeez> i just looked for drivers for my pri card. did not see them.
[08:15:00] <dwc-> okay, I see... centos 3.7 would be like rhel3 update 7
[08:15:08] <dwc-> rhel3 appears to be based on rh9
[08:15:31] <dwc-> whereas centos 4.whatever is rhel 4 update whatever
[08:15:41] <dwc-> and isn't quite so ancient
[08:16:16] <sahafeez> Error_404: link on voip-info say they work sorta
[08:16:17] <dwc-> now what I'm wondering is why they tested with centos 3.x
[08:16:37] <Error_404> dwc-: because it was an old test, likely?
[08:16:49] <dwc-> not if they used s10 01/06
[08:18:15] <Error_404> okay, then perhaps testing like the people who would use ${latest version} - 1 at all times
[08:18:23] <Error_404> like the folks using oracle9 on purpose
[08:19:00] <dwc-> now my rh9 boxes seem to have kernel 2.4 on it, whereas the centos 4.2 box that's got an uptime of just under a year, has 2.6.15
[08:19:18] <dwc-> so I'm wondering why they didn't benchmark it with an OS that anybody in their right mind is actually using ;)
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[08:21:16] <sahafeez> Error_404 zaptel on solaris is TDM400P only. so analog. like i said, not real until it works with a te110p
[08:21:51] <sahafeez> but it will be nice when it does
[08:21:54] <quasi> sahafeez: there's something you could have fun porting ;)
[08:22:07] <sahafeez> ;)
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[09:25:25] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:25:32] <Symmetria> heh sun systems isnt answering their phones
[09:25:33] <Symmetria> dammit
[09:25:44] <Error_404> at midnight on sunday?
[09:25:46] <Error_404> big suprise
[09:26:01] <Symmetria> errr
[09:26:04] <Symmetria> its 10:25am
[09:26:07] <Symmetria> at their south african office
[09:26:08] <Symmetria> on a monday
[09:26:15] <Symmetria> phoning their .za sales office
[09:26:29] <Symmetria> need to buy support contracts for all my servers Im busy migrating to solaris
[09:27:51] <sahafeez> unless you have a working product - if it is webbase - they will not talk to you. you need an angle.
[09:31:40] <Symmetria> heh
[09:31:41] <Symmetria> <3 sun
[09:31:47] <Symmetria> got them on the line
[09:31:52] <Symmetria> and convicned them to give me edu discount
[09:31:53] <Symmetria> :p
[09:32:01] <Symmetria>  on their solaris x86 OS support contract
[09:32:02] <Symmetria> muahaha
[09:32:28] <Symmetria> (we do technically qualify for edu discount, just nice to see companies actually giving any edu discount at all!)
[09:32:41] <Triskelios> we should do that, so we can bitch when something breaks
[09:33:05] <Symmetria> heh Triskelios *shrug* their premium software support contract for solaris x86 OS
[09:33:13] <Symmetria> is only 300 dollars a year per cpu standard price
[09:33:18] <Symmetria> which is dirt cheap
[09:33:25] <Symmetria> and it gets even cheaper with edu discount
[09:33:26] <Triskelios> then again we can just pay a friend of mine if we felt like it...
[09:34:11] <Symmetria> Triskelios heh, Im getting the software support stuff primarily because it makes my clients happier
[09:34:22] <Symmetria> to know that our key servers are backed by support contracts
[09:34:23] <Symmetria> :p
[09:34:54] <Triskelios> yeah, if you're a commercial venture that's usually a no-brainer
[09:34:59] <Symmetria> heh, and since in reality my clients own the company that I work for thats important
[09:35:21] <Symmetria> heh we're not commercial, we're a non profit isp of sorts, the south african national research and education network
[09:35:24] <Symmetria> but same deal
[09:55:08] <Symmetria> ifconfig e1000g20009 inet6 addif xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xx::5/64 <== anyone know whats wrong with that?
[09:55:53] <jmcp> Symmetria: yeah, too many xxxx's :)
[09:55:57] <Symmetria> oh, thats an interesting one
[09:56:03] <jmcp> what's the error message from ifconfig ?
[09:56:10] <Symmetria> you cant addif to a vlan interface
[09:56:15] <Symmetria> with a v6 address
[09:56:20] <Symmetria> it works on the base interface
[09:56:37] <jmcp> that's a bit of a pain
[09:57:07] * Symmetria tries something else
[09:58:53] <Symmetria> heh
[09:58:57] <Symmetria> you cant do v6 with vlans
[09:58:58] <Symmetria> in solaris 10
[09:59:01] <Symmetria> that sucks ass
[10:03:35] <sahafeez> question. installed from cd, b50 on p3. went thru all 6 cds. at the end the reboot button did not work. waited a while. finally open term and did reboot. restarted to the install again. is there a way to fix this
[10:04:10] <quasi> take out the cd?
[10:04:37] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:04:40] <sahafeez> ah, you do not understand. it rebooted into the install prg - from the hd, not the cd
[10:06:03] <quasi> ah, odd
[10:06:25] <sahafeez> yes
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[10:10:07] <Symmetria> you can seperately plumb a v6 interface
[10:10:11] <Symmetria> but you cant assign an address to it
[10:10:14] <Symmetria> heh
[10:10:14] <Symmetria> odd
[10:10:44] <Symmetria> ifconfig: SIOCSLIFADDR: e1000g20009: Cannot assign requested address
[10:10:59] <sahafeez> ok, did skip, skip, etc. back to the reboot now not working
[10:17:06] <sahafeez> ideas?
[10:19:16] <tsoome> Symmetria: how you are assigning it?
[10:21:13] <Symmetria> tsoome ifconfig vlaninterface inet6 plumb xxxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx::10/64
[10:21:51] <tsoome> do a plumb at first then assign?
[10:22:18] <tsoome> but it could be vlans are implemented only for ipv4.....
[10:22:21] <Symmetria> yeah I tried that as well
[10:22:28] <tsoome> never tryed this myself...
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[10:28:06] <sahafeez> interesting. when thru again - skip skip skip and did not click on the last msg. the contiune msg and let it auto and it rebooted. strange
[10:31:21] <sahafeez> wow! no drag and drop lock up under jds on b50 on x86
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[10:32:56] <timeless> hrm, anyone here use gnome-system-monitor?
[10:33:08] <timeless> or maybe multiload-applet
[10:33:32] <timeless> i'm wondering if the disk in use meter works for anyone on solaris
[10:33:48] <Symmetria> aahhhh
[10:33:51] <Symmetria> I got it working
[10:33:53] <timeless> s/in use/usage/
[10:35:28] <Symmetria> heh this is whack
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[11:15:13] <PosixCompliant> quick question: what is surya?
[11:15:44] <PosixCompliant> not the country...
[11:16:15] <quasi> PosixCompliant: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2005/707/
[11:16:35] <PosixCompliant> quasi, thnks
[11:17:30] <quasi> first hit from google ;)
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[11:26:24] <ofu_> how can i update sol10u1 to u2 to use zfs?
[11:26:41] <ofu_> is it enough to install 10_Recommended and add SUNWzfs* ?
[11:27:37] <quasi> ofu_: if you patch sol10u1 all the way to the latest and greatest, you should get zfs automagically
[11:28:53] <ofu_> only if i install the zfs pkgs
[11:29:13] <quasi> ofu_: at least I've had SUNWzfskr SUNWzfsr SUNWzfsu turn up on my s10 that was installed very shortly after s10 was released
[11:29:33] <ofu_> is this way supported by sun?
[11:31:26] <quasi> all we've done is keep up to date with smpatch
[11:33:41] <ofu_> if this way is supported, i will try it
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[11:34:31] <tsoome> why not use the easy way if you can use the hard way
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[11:39:03] <sgrta> I get a "could not talk to print service at server-name" when I try to do a cancel printer-name
[11:39:16] <sgrta> I have tried to do an lpshut and start lpsched but the problem persists
[11:39:19] <sgrta> any idea?
[11:40:10] <jengelh> tsoome : mathematically incorrect statement
[11:41:12] <tsoome> :D
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[11:43:05] <tsoome> true, remove 'not'
[11:44:28] <tsoome> too many tasks will have some ill effects...
[11:46:36] <sgrta> any idea about my problem or any suggestion pleaaaaaase? :D
[11:47:09] <tsoome> svcs -x ?
[11:53:00] <sgrta> svc:/application/print/server:default (LP print server) \n Reason: Method failed. \n ... Impact: 1 dependent service is not running: svc:/application/print/rfc1179:default
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[11:53:55] <sgrta> tsoome: :?
[11:55:26] <sgrta> oooooh solved
[11:55:29] <sgrta> thanx tsoome :D
[11:58:17] <jmcp>  /whois sgrta
[11:58:36] <LeftWing> Unknown.
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[12:12:51] <|ReIkO|> hi all
[12:13:00] <|ReIkO|> I'm back
[12:13:39] <|ReIkO|> someone can solve this 0xd1332581 in vfscanf () from /lib/libc.so.1
[12:13:54] <|ReIkO|> it's a seg fault in fscanf
[12:14:14] * andersmo guesses you passed it a rotten pointer?
[12:14:15] <|ReIkO|> include are ok (stdio.h)
[12:15:14] <|ReIkO|> I don't think
[12:15:24] <|ReIkO|> this code works great on linux
[12:15:27] <tsoome> most probably there is memory corruption
[12:15:49] <tsoome> |ReIkO|: linux is not an argument of *any* kind
[12:16:03] <tsoome> I have seen thi one before
[12:16:20] <tsoome> 'this code was running fine in linux
[12:16:22] <andersmo> it can work on linux and still be buggy? =)
[12:16:31] <|ReIkO|> of course
[12:16:52] <tsoome> but in reality particular code was writing past the end of an array
[12:17:03] <tsoome> andersmo: yes it can
[12:17:07] <andersmo> stick a debugger on it, see what's really going on. =)
[12:17:39] <tsoome> |ReIkO|: you can try to LD_PRELOAD an alternate libmalloc and see if this will change things
[12:18:12] <tsoome> if it will, your code is plain broken, if it will not, it still probably is....
[12:18:15] <andersmo> tsoome: yeah, I know - but I see the question mark can make it look like I'm surprised. =)
[12:18:24] <tsoome> ;)
[12:26:44] <|ReIkO|> do you want to take a look of my code ?
[12:29:22] <|ReIkO|> pasted here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/q1ek4068.html  line 22 seems to be SEGFAULT
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[12:36:39] <|ReIkO|> SOLVED
[12:41:27] <|ReIkO|> I think you can ban me for ever
[12:41:44] <|ReIkO|> wrong file name
[12:49:44] <|ReIkO|> going lauch
[12:49:47] <|ReIkO|> see you
[12:49:48] <|ReIkO|> thanks
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[13:15:59] <Godsey> I discovered I needed to get LSI MPT drivers (on a floppy) for Sol 10 to install, does solaris magically check the floppy for drivers or do I need to do something special?
[13:16:26] <trygvis> IIRC there's still an option to add additional drivers when installing
[13:18:01] <Godsey> ok, maybe there is another problem facing my system.
[13:18:13] <Godsey> it seems to "hang" after failing to configure both nics
[13:21:44] <Godsey> and the apply driver update won't locate the floppy
[13:24:34] <raph_ael> same for me
[13:25:11] <Godsey> it seems Solaris doesn't like my DRAC 4 floppy :)
[13:25:34] <Godsey> can I edit the dvd iso and put the files it?
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[13:26:52] <Godsey> or, is it possible to tell solaris which cdrom to look at?
[13:29:20] <tsoome> Godsey: sure you can modify
[13:30:58] <Godsey> so I just put the du folder on the iso root?
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[13:40:55] <Godsey> I'm going to wish I hadn't cheaped out and saved the $800 by getting the Dell PE860 vs 2200 M2
[13:44:44] <quasi> Godsey: if you're paying for power, those savings will probably soon be lost
[13:44:57] <Godsey> nope, free power
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[13:52:28] <Godsey> I made another iso of just the driver and it worked
[13:54:37] <Godsey> after "Skipped interface bge0" it just sits there.
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[13:57:02] <Godsey> how long should I wayt for Beginning system identification... to start before giving up? :)
[13:58:31] <Auralis> not more then 5 minutes
[13:59:10] <Godsey> is there something I can do w/ grub boot where I can see more verbose messages and maybe figurout where it's stuck?
[13:59:40] <jmcp> (e)dit the command line, and add  -v to the end of the "kernel" line
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[14:07:59] <icon> morning all
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[14:16:08] <Peanut> Hi all
[14:33:00] <PosixCompliant> richlowe, are you there ?
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[14:41:05] <quasi> hey Peanut
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[15:50:23] <gdamore> !seen schily
[15:50:27] <Drone> schily (schily!i=schily at p54BED88F dot dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Wed 18 Oct 2006 23:12 GMT, saying 'dclarke: does star link now?'.
[15:53:41] <gdamore> hmmm.... cdrecord in Solaris 10 does not include (apparently) the prodvd license key.
[15:53:51] <gdamore> anyone know if this is rectified in Nevada?
[15:55:21] <richlowe> It is, I believe.
[15:55:42] <richlowe> Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01.01a10 (sparc-sun-solaris2.11)
[15:55:47] <richlowe> that's from snv_50
[15:56:30] <gdamore> did you have to do anything to enable it in snv_50?  configure a license key or anything?
[15:56:42] <richlowe> I don't actually use cdrecord, so no.
[15:56:50] <richlowe> though, obviously, that means I'm not *certain* the DVD bits are there.
[15:57:38] 
[15:58:07] <gdamore> i wonder if we can get the prodvd license key backported to S10.
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[16:02:09] <Symmetria> ARGH
[16:02:14] <Symmetria> it seems the blastware proftpd package
[16:02:19] <Symmetria> was compiled without v6 support
[16:02:24] * Symmetria laments this fact and goes looking for source
[16:02:43] <gdamore> post a message to the maintainer, or dclarke if no maintainer can be found. :-)
[16:03:15] <richlowe> Hm, didn't v6 support appear too late for blastwave?
[16:03:20] <richlowe> ... or am I being stupid.
[16:03:39] <richlowe> either way, they support 8 FCS, and I seem to recall v6 support appearing sometime after that.
[16:04:02] <Symmetria> richlowe well accoridng to blastwave thats a fairly old build of proftpd
[16:04:04] <Symmetria> its like late 2006
[16:04:21] <gdamore> No, Solaris 8 shipped with v6.
[16:04:25] <richlowe> gdamore: really?
[16:04:30] <gdamore> Really.
[16:04:36] <Symmetria> no big deal Im recompiling it
[16:04:39] <richlowe> Then I *am* being stupid :)
[16:04:39] <Symmetria> hopefully it builds clean
[16:04:40] <gdamore> What Solaris 8 lacked was IPsec support for v6.
[16:05:04] <richlowe> gdamore: did 8 have the sysidcfg question regarding it also, or was it early-access like?
[16:05:11] * richlowe has a real clear memory of 9 being the first one to Just Work.
[16:05:18] <gdamore> i think it was reall, and had the sysidcfg question.
[16:05:31] <gdamore> s/reall/real/
[16:06:09] <gdamore> S9 introduced other fixes for v6, mostly including IPsec (which is technically mandatory for v6, but S8 didn't have it)
[16:06:21] <Symmetria> heh I was pushing 118mbit/second v6 yesterday
[16:06:27] <Symmetria> and pulling in about 90mbit/second
[16:06:35] <Symmetria> heh, we use it *VERY* actively
[16:07:53] <Symmetria> heh rebuilt proftpd with no problem
[16:08:16] <Symmetria> heh it has a -DSOLARIS2_10 directive in its makefile after you run configure and compiles completely cleanly
[16:08:17] <Symmetria> nice ;)
[16:11:59] <gdamore> richlowe: have a look at http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/806-5202/6je7shk5i?a=view
[16:14:34] <richlowe> gdamore: that seems to suggest it appeared in 9 FCS, and was backported to an 8 update.
[16:15:17] <richlowe> or I need a whole lot more coffee.
[16:15:20] <richlowe> I'm betting the latter :)
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[16:18:29] <Symmetria> heh I found out why they dont enable v6 in proftpd by default
[16:18:32] <Symmetria> it seems to break things
[16:18:53] <Peanut> When building php-4.4.4 with -fast, we end up with a library that has an unresolved symbol __sincos which seems to live in /opt/SUNWspro/lib/libsunmath.so - which is part of the compiler, not of the OS. We've built earlier versions of php this way without trouble. How could one tell the compiler/iropt not to go for the 'exotic' maths lib?
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[16:21:06] <quasi> maybe php has an option to let you point to another math lib
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[16:22:18] <Auralis> after
[16:22:21] <richlowe> it'd probably be a good idea to add -xdryrun, and double check what -fast expands to in general.
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[16:23:00] <Peanut> Ah thanks, richlowe , it will be after, yes.. good one. I think I know a page somewhere that lists just what -fast means for different compiler releases.
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[16:27:08] <jteo> hello *
[16:27:29] <jamesd> hi .*
[16:28:07] <richlowe> Hi \1
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[17:20:01] <Godsey> wow it took more than an hour, less than 3 and it's at the install prompt :)
[17:20:11] <Godsey> except I forgot to do the drivers this time :P
[17:20:34] <raph_ael> :)
[17:20:44] <raph_ael> you put the drivers on a cd aside that's it ?
[17:21:04] <Godsey> when I put the drivers on the install cd, it doesn't find them
[17:21:19] <Godsey> so I made a cd w/ just the DU folder and it copies them somewhere
[17:21:41] <Godsey> only this time I added -v to see if it would tell me where it locked (didn't)
[17:22:17] <rydis> I'm of the opinion that it isn't widespread, mostly. :)
[17:22:36] <Godsey> the MPT sas 5?
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[17:24:46] <axisys> inserted a new disk after booted from cdrom.. what command to see the new disk in format? devfsadm?
[17:24:55] <axisys> on a x2100
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[17:25:19] <richlowe> Yes.
[17:26:20] <axisys> devfsadm: mkdir failed for /dev 0x1ed: Read-only file system
[17:26:44] <axisys> richlowe: seems it did not like it.. i booted from a sol 10 6/06 x86 cdrom
[17:26:52] <axisys> format only sees the first disk
[17:28:23] <axisys> i i guess i could run reboot -- boot -r ?!
[17:30:24] <paxc> axisys : better
[17:30:41] <paxc> axisys : or /touch reconfigure them reboot
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[17:31:33] <axisys> just reboot picked it up.. it did not like boot -r .. but did not seem to matter
[17:31:46] <axisys> paxc: yep that is another option.. may try next time
[17:32:21] <jamesd> reboot  -- -r
[17:33:54] <axisys> jamesd: duh! hehe
[17:34:13] <axisys> x2100 seems have two separate internal controller
[17:34:15] <axisys> wow!
[17:34:40] <axisys> disk 0 is c1d0 and disk 1 is c1d0
[17:35:37] <Godsey> jmcp: can I add -vvvv for more verbosity?
[17:36:09] <elektronkind> multiple v's don't add addtional verbosity
[17:36:16] <elektronkind> reboot -- -rv
[17:36:23] <richlowe> what kind of verbosity are you hunting for?
[17:36:26] <elektronkind> that's all you'll need (and get)
[17:36:40] <Godsey> richlowe: well install hangs for over an hour at Skipped interface bge0
[17:37:22] <Godsey> between 1 and 3 hours, I went to the office after 1 hour and came back to the language selection screen.
[17:37:49] <richlowe> there's also -mverbose and -mdebug, that cause SMF to be much, much more chatty.
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[17:38:49] <Godsey> if I do that and see where it is pausing, is there a way to make the installer skip over it in the future?
[17:39:02] <Godsey> or should I just let it wait again and hope for the best? :)
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[17:40:19] <Godsey> the drive light is blinking for a moment every 20 seconds or so
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[17:40:53] <elektronkind> morning mr. lau
[17:40:59] <stevel> g'morning
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[17:57:26] <sahafeez> submitted my drag+drop bug again for 49/50
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[17:59:09] <axisys> i wonder how long this will take on a X2100 to finish this dd bs=1024k if=/dev/rdsk/c1d0s2 of=/dev/rdsk/c2d0s2
[17:59:14] <axisys> 76G disks
[17:59:29] <sahafeez> hum. put time in front of the cmd and find out!
[17:59:37] <axisys> running from a cdrom thru console .. so can't check the iostat
[17:59:55] <axisys> sahafeez: i did.. but wont know until it finishes ;-)
[18:00:23] <sahafeez> i am waiting with bated breath..
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[18:07:23] <axisys> 29 mins
[18:07:28] <axisys> not bad for 76G
[18:07:31] <axisys> time to verify
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[18:18:43] <axisys> hmm.. zpool is complaining like this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/L2e70243.html
[18:18:47] <sickness> evening all
[18:18:57] <axisys> this is the new dd copied disk of the original working one
[18:19:10] <axisys> i swapped the disk so the controller is same
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[18:23:16] <gdamore> hmm... i just tried to netboot (via PXE) my Via C3 1GHz (256MB) laptop.  No dice.  It hangs after the SunOS 5.11 copyright message.
[18:23:54] <gdamore> (maybe the NIC needs support in Solaris... its probably a rtk, but I'm not sure)
[18:24:12] <richlowe> it got far enough the boot archive loaded, certainly.
[18:24:23] <richlowe> and if the load goes wrong, it tends to panic, rather than wedge. :)
[18:24:53] <sickness> you could try to add the drv to the miniroot, I did that on  a via c3 like 1 year ago...
[18:25:29] <richlowe> was 'rtk' a typo of rtl?
[18:25:52] <richlowe> until pretty recently, the rtls driver had a very very small number of entries in driver_aliases (I think just the main realtek ID).
[18:26:44] <axisys> i did a zpool export and then zpool import -f
[18:26:51] <axisys> seems like that fixed it
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[18:32:23] <gdamore> richlowe: yes, probably.
[18:32:52] <gdamore> i need to boot netbsd on the laptop to find out if it is a realtek chip or a via rhine chip
[18:34:54] <sickness> yeah
[18:34:57] <sickness> I usually boot openbsd for that purpose ;P
[18:35:15] <sickness> to find the various hardware drivers for crappy win32 installs ;P
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[18:45:03] <opSuse> richlowe, are you listening?
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[18:50:18] <icon> have any of you guys messed with a perle console server?
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[19:25:35] <axisys> dwc-: nawp
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[19:30:25] <Godsey> close to giving up :)
[19:30:47] <Godsey> "An error has occurred in configuring the system.  Please go back and check your settings."
[19:30:54] <Godsey> when I confirm for hostname/ip settings
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[19:31:30] <paxc> Godsey : cuold be dns problem, he try test reverse dns also
[19:31:33] <gdamore> Godsey: is this during install?
[19:31:40] <Godsey> yes, during install
[19:31:45] <Godsey> I'll go back and tell it dhcp
[19:31:50] <gdamore> what nameservice are you selecting?
[19:32:04] <Godsey> dns
[19:32:24] <gdamore> DNS will complain if forward and reverse DNS don't match.  (or if the hostname can't be looked up in DNS)
[19:32:39] <Godsey> right, but now it lets me accept or cancel
[19:32:40] <gdamore> you can usually click the "configure anyway" option (forgot the exact name of the button) though
[19:32:43] <paxc> if you does not have a internal dns to response always be error
[19:32:45] <gdamore> click accept
[19:32:53] <paxc> go go forward
[19:32:54] <Godsey> when I tried static ip, it just wouldn't continue
[19:32:59] <gdamore> ?
[19:33:14] <gdamore> i configure static ip with DNS, and none of my hostnames are in DNS, all the time.
[19:33:21] <paxc> Godsey : you choose auto router discovery?!?!?
[19:33:24] <gdamore> i get the warning, but i click accept, and no problem.
[19:33:25] <Godsey> forward/reverse of static dns were correct.
[19:33:32] <Godsey> no, I specified it
[19:33:44] <Godsey> gdamore: I get that when I do dhcp, but not if I tell it static settings
[19:33:48] <gdamore> hmm... but i always do provide a DNS server that "works", it just won't look up the name
[19:34:15] <gdamore> Godsey: that sounds strange.
[19:34:21] <paxc> gdamore : should be a reverse dns problem  -_-
[19:34:24] <Godsey> yes, first time I've had it happen yet.
[19:34:24] <gdamore> i always configure static IP
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[19:34:55] <Godsey> actually forward doesn't exist, tho reverse does
[19:35:00] <Godsey> maybe that made it angry
[19:35:07] <gdamore> that would be typical of my situation.  no forward DNS.
[19:35:18] <gdamore> what version are you installing?
[19:35:23] <Godsey> 6/06
[19:35:34] <gdamore> i did that just two days ago, no problem.
[19:35:38] <Godsey> bah humbug!
[19:35:43] <gdamore> (i did sparc though, not x86)
[19:35:45] <Godsey> it didn't find my disks again :)
[19:35:58] <gdamore> well, _that_ would be a problem. :-)
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[19:36:15] <Godsey> I added the lsi drivers, I think now is a good time to give up :)
[19:36:21] <gdamore> how are your drives connected?
[19:36:26] <Berny> hey
[19:36:33] <gdamore> heyhey
[19:36:34] <Godsey> it's a mpt sas raid card
[19:36:57] <gdamore> NFI if there are drivers for that.  I have no experience with the various RAID cards...
[19:37:06] <Berny> anyone can help me with this question: how do i remove a disk from a zfs pool (on sol10) that i accidently added as device instead of attaching as a mirror?
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[19:37:19] * gdamore has no RAID hardware at all.  only dumb IDE and SPARC SCSI
[19:37:31] <Godsey> gdamore: I went to lsi's site and downloaded them
[19:37:45] <gdamore> did you install them to the miniroot?
[19:38:00] <Godsey> made the driver cd, and it seemed to find and copy them somewhere when I told it to add additional drivers
[19:38:04] <icon> gdamore: do you guys use console servers out there?
[19:38:05] <Berny> opensol has a zpool remove... sol10 doesn't :-\
[19:38:14] <gdamore> heh. haven't tried that.
[19:38:32] <Godsey> gdamore: I don't know how to add to miniroot
[19:38:35] <gdamore> icon: i think they do in the UK.  I use the serial port on my SB100 .
[19:38:41] <Godsey> I tried adding the du folder to the base dir of the iso
[19:39:41] <gdamore> hmm... Solaris driver updates are weird.  some of them were for the old 16-bit bootloader, separate from the solaris update.  of course, i've no idea how it is done in S10.
[19:39:42] <icon> hrmm tempted to pick one up for the devices at home
[19:39:47] <icon> throwing in a couple of new switches and a new cisco
[19:39:58] <gdamore> if you can find a cheap one...
[19:40:00] <icon> cant find one thats reasonably priced
[19:40:05] <icon> yeah
[19:40:09] <icon> most of them are > 400
[19:40:20] <gdamore> i am working (one of these days i might finish it) on a driver for the cheap 4-port serial board (PCI) I have in my U20
[19:40:24] <icon> ill spend that much on a router, but a frigging console server?!
[19:40:33] <gdamore> i won't even spend that much on arouter. :-)
[19:40:54] <icon> i found a nice cisco 851 that supports ios and vpn's for around 250
[19:41:09] <icon> need to check to be sure it supports snmp
[19:41:21] <gdamore> you could always try to find an old actual serial  terminal on ebay. :-)
[19:41:30] <icon> but a buddy of mine and i are working on setting up a vpn between our two sites
[19:41:37] <icon> true
[19:42:06] <gdamore> i picked up a cheapo Linksys BEFVP41 a while ago.  it works well for my VPN to work (other side is a SonicWALL)
[19:42:22] <gdamore> it does reasonably complete IPsec.
[19:42:31] <gdamore> incl. IKE
[19:42:55] <icon> ahh nice
[19:42:58] <icon> IKE is such a bitch
[19:43:05] <icon> rather, living without IKE :)
[19:43:11] <gdamore> Godsey: is the driver for S10?
[19:43:14] <Godsey> yes
[19:43:26] <gdamore> IKE is nice.  We have IKE in our Comet (mobile Sun Ray). :-)
[19:43:36] <icon> gdamore: know of any decent telco supply sites?
[19:43:44] <icon> i dont have the time to head to graybar at the moment
[19:43:44] <gdamore> i386 or amd64?
[19:43:56] <Godsey> http://www.lsilogic.com/storage_home/products_home/standard_product_ics/sas_ics/lsisas1068/index.html?remote=1
[19:43:59] <Godsey> it says both
[19:44:10] <sommerfeld> gdamore: I have an "I Dislike IKE" button in my office.
[19:44:11] <gdamore> icon: nope.  sorry.  i've not found any cheap source for terminal servers
[19:44:23] <icon> damn
[19:44:52] <sommerfeld> gdamore: what it does makes IPsec usable in practice.  but it's such a tangled mess under the covers
[19:45:31] <gdamore> sommerfeld: yes, but it works.  implementing IKE is a PITA.
[19:45:44] <gdamore> using IKE, OTOH, is very nice.
[19:45:51] <sahafeez> can someone tell me about this bug - http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6473542
[19:45:54] <Godsey> I shall try sxcr
[19:46:05] <gdamore> Godsey: good luck.
[19:46:20] <sahafeez> it is marked will not be fixed. it is not working 50 too! i mean how can this not need to be fixed?
[19:46:29] <Godsey> SOB I downloded the sparc dvd
[19:46:30] <Godsey> :)
[19:46:31] * gdamore didn't even know there was such a thing as SAS.  :-)
[19:46:34] * Godsey faints
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[19:47:26] <gdamore> sahafeez: maybe "not to be fixed" because it doesn't happen in Gnome 2.16?
[19:47:47] <sahafeez> and gnome 2.16 is in what build?
[19:47:57] <richlowe> It'd need someone who can see all of the CR to know that.
[19:48:00] <gdamore> i think it will be 53.
[19:48:18] <gdamore> i'm just guessing.  i can't believe they would mark a bug like this "will not fix" otherwise.
[19:48:23] <sahafeez> well it is still broken in vermillion_52 so..
[19:48:44] <sahafeez> i know. i have not had working drag+drop since 40?
[19:48:45] <gdamore> 53 doesn't have gnome 2.16, does it?
[19:48:54] <gdamore> s/53/52/
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[19:48:57] <richlowe> gdamore: if it was fixed later, I'd expect not reproducable, not 'will not fix'
[19:49:05] <richlowe> maybe that's not how it works though, I guess.
[19:49:14] <Berny> ah hi richlowe i got another zfs question :-)
[19:49:25] <Berny> anyone can help me with this question: how do i remove a disk from a zfs pool (on sol10) that i accidently added as device instead of attaching as a mirror?
[19:49:28] <sahafeez> well i have submitted this bug for 40 onward for each build. i just did it for 50 today
[19:49:29] <gdamore> no, because it not reproducible would mean that nobody could reproduce it with the latest build.  which is clearly not the case.
[19:49:39] <gdamore> !seen Gman
[19:49:42] <Drone> Gman is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Mon 30 Oct 2006 02:49 GMT, saying '[feedback welcome]'.
[19:49:56] <richlowe> sahafeez: or it may mean that you've submitted 10 of them, and only one has been left open.
[19:50:00] <gdamore> i think you should ask Gman about it.  he can see the whole CR
[19:50:10] <richlowe> not that I disagree with doing that, it's not like you can update the CR
[19:50:13] <gdamore> in that case it should be closed as a duplicate
[19:50:13] <sommerfeld> Berny: unfortunately, you can't do that just yet.  You can convert that device into a mirror, though.
[19:50:14] <richlowe> "Their own Fault<TM>"
[19:50:19] <sommerfeld> (by adding another disk)
[19:50:37] <sahafeez> !seen Gman
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[19:51:08] <gdamore> sommerfeld: berny:  dd if=<zfs partition> of=<tape device>; recreate zpool; dd if=<tape device> of=<zfs partition>
[19:51:17] <Berny> sommerfeld: hmpf that would take the disk i don't have at hand
[19:51:24] <sahafeez> Gman - can you tell me about bug 6473542 as it is marked will not fix but it is broken in all builds and is a major thing..
[19:51:39] <Berny> gdamore: thats about what i'm doing now...
[19:52:27] <Berny> .oO(lets kill that zones which lives in there...)
[19:53:36] <myrkraverk> kill -9 zone ?
[19:53:52] <stevel> is gman awake?
[19:53:53] <Berny> more like a zoneadm -z bla halt 8-)
[19:53:57] <richlowe> I'd doubt it.
[19:54:06] <richlowe> well, maybe just about.
[19:54:09] <sahafeez> what tz is he in?
[19:54:13] <richlowe> NZ
[19:54:18] <sahafeez> ah
[19:54:21] <Berny> .oO(the users will thank me because they can go home now 8-))
[19:54:26] <myrkraverk> Berny: well "kill -9 zone" might be a nightclub or something ;P
[19:55:01] <Berny> myrkraverk: if that be the case give me the address ;-P
[19:55:02] <stevel> 6473542 has a lot of discussion in it
[19:55:08] <myrkraverk> Berny: haha ;)
[19:55:10] <stevel> they basically said they couldn't reproduce in vermillion
[19:55:22] <richlowe> ... so why not close it Not Reproducible?
[19:55:25] <stevel> vermillion development builds, that is
[19:55:55] <stevel> richlowe: because it (the bug) was found in vermillion stable (gnome 2.14)
[19:55:56] <sahafeez> well, i can reproduce it all day long
[19:56:04] <myrkraverk> becouse they reproduced it in 3.141592654 builds?
[19:56:24] <stevel> their QA guy was able to reproduce it under 2.14
[19:56:41] <stevel> but they decided it wasn't worth fixing since it was fixed (or at least not-reproducible) in gnome 2.16
[19:56:54] <sahafeez> but 2.16 is not out!!!
[19:57:09] <stevel> sahafeez: it's not in nevada officially, no - but it's "out" in the sense that you can install it
[19:57:11] <gdamore> sahafeez: so what?  youre dealing with prerelease software.  be patient.
[19:57:30] <sahafeez> stevel: install it from source or?
[19:57:32] <richlowe> I still don't think it's cool to close it without explanation to the submitter.
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[19:57:35] <stevel> sahafeez: no from packages
[19:57:47] <stevel> richlowe: there was explanation given to the submitter for 6473542
[19:57:57] <gdamore> i do think that it should not have been closed, but marked "in progress" and closed once 2.16 was integrated.  but that's largely administrivia.
[19:58:11] <sahafeez> stevel: and were can i get those? i have not been able to drag and drop for like 10 builds.
[19:58:31] <richlowe> stevel: well, sahafeez sure didn't know, and he said above he's filed 10 of those, so far...
[19:58:38] <myrkraverk> gdamore: admini-stra-tivia or admins-trivia?
[19:58:39] <stevel> sahafeez: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/
[19:58:49] <stevel> or more specifically: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/
[19:58:56] <gdamore> sahafeez: may i recommend "pkg-get -i xfce4" :-)
[19:58:58] <stevel> sahafeez: what are the 10 CR's you filed?
[19:59:04] <stevel> lemme look them up to see what happened with them
[19:59:06] <sahafeez> thanks, and richlowe, thanks
[19:59:25] <sahafeez> stevel i would have to look it up - i only filed 4 ;)
[19:59:31] <sahafeez> and one today
[19:59:44] <sahafeez> let me see if i can find them
[20:00:09] <stevel> ah. 6473202?
[20:00:13] <gdamore> stevel: may i suggest that the bug be reopened and the evaluation changed to note that the bug should only be closed when the fix is integrated (perhaps by committing 2.16?)
[20:00:17] <sahafeez> stevel: ok. the link to vermillion has that same bug! sorry. tried it yesterday
[20:00:42] <sahafeez> i did a fresh install of 50 then v52 and it has that same bug.
[20:00:45] <stevel> sahafeez: what nevada build are you running it on?
[20:01:23] <stevel> hrm. i'm running on snv_51 with vermillion_52 and i can drag/drop okay
[20:01:45] <sahafeez> on sparc ?
[20:02:14] <gdamore> this could be a Sun Ray bug, btw.
[20:02:54] <sahafeez> well i did a new install on snv_50 on my u80 last night. then did the vermillion_52. same issue as listed in my bug.
[20:03:03] <gdamore> It isn't entirely clear to me that Sun Ray is supported as is on Nevada.
[20:03:12] <gdamore> on the console?
[20:03:21] <sahafeez> click - pointer changes - and thats it. have to ssh and kill natulius
[20:03:36] <sahafeez> stevel: are you on sparc or x86
[20:04:00] * gdamore will test this out later today, right now his sparc machine is running jumpstart...
[20:04:15] <richlowe> I've seen it on the console on sparc.
[20:04:36] <richlowe> it's part of why I still have this crappy x86 machine on my desk. :)
[20:04:49] <sahafeez> btw, is it just me or is the bug db slow today
[20:04:51] <gdamore> heh.  to me this sounds like just one more reason not to run gnome. :-)
[20:05:26] <sahafeez> well, i did an install on a x86 p3 last night of snv_50 to use as a jumpstart server and drag and drop works so it is a sparc only thing.
[20:06:10] <gdamore> IMO, that's highly relevant information that should be tracked in the bug
[20:06:42] <gdamore> Both Sun Ray and sparc use Xsun, so it could be an Xsun bug.
[20:06:56] <gdamore> it would be instructive to know if this happens on Sun Ray with x86.
[20:07:22] <alanc> the continued existince of Xsun is a bug
[20:07:41] <gdamore> alanc++
[20:07:46] <oxygene> hmm.. gnustep has some bugs wrt XSHM.. should I just leave shm support disabled, or is it highly likely that it's gnustep's fault (ie. can be fixed on our end) instead of sunray's (no proper xshm support or whatever)?
[20:08:26] <alanc> I think Sun Ray supports XSHM
[20:09:33] <Symm> anyone here v6 connected who can test something for me?
[20:10:15] <gdamore> alanc: does Sun Ray on x86 use Xsun?
[20:10:18] <alanc> yes
[20:10:25] <alanc> (for now)
[20:10:26] <gdamore> that's what I was afraid of...
[20:11:10] <alanc> we're working with them on getting both SPARC & x86 off Xsun - they would like Xv & Xrandr support, but porting is going to take some work/time
[20:11:45] <Symm> hrm, if someone has v6, can they test and check to see if http://mozilla.mirror.ac.za is connectable via v6, wanna make sure I've got my v6 configs right under solaris
[20:12:20] <Godsey> sxcr dies w/ can't find windowing software :P
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[20:13:07] <alanc> I really want to find who in our tech writers decided that "windowing software" was the best way to describe the window system
[20:13:12] <alanc> it just sounds so wrong
[20:13:31] <alanc> they do it in the release notes too - "New X Windowing Features"
[20:14:20] <Symm> hrm
[20:14:37] <Symm> heh tomorrow I sign the contract for premium support for all my sun systems
[20:14:57] <Symm> once I got that I can bug sun about this registration buggerup
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[20:15:48] <g4lt-U60> would you prefer "new OpenWindowing features"
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[20:19:34] <Godsey>  tmp/root/usr/X11 and /usr/openwin are missing
[20:20:34] <Godsey> I guess I can do centos+vmware server+solaris!
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[20:43:02] <stevel> sahafeez: i'm on x86 (sorry, was trying to debug something)
[20:43:13] <sahafeez> ok.
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[20:45:13] <sahafeez> stevel: seems to be a sparc only bug which makes me think it is tied to xsun
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[20:49:42] <astinus> clear
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[20:52:01] <postwait> I'm using zfs send to backup snapshots.
[20:52:18] <postwait> I'm getting only like 500kbs
[20:52:47] <postwait> Is there some sort of internal toggle I can flip to have the zfs send operation take I/O precedence over normal I/O?
[20:53:03] <wilbury> kbs or kBs ?
[20:53:43] <elektronkind> hmmmm
[20:53:47] <elektronkind> look at this putback
[20:53:48] <elektronkind> PSARC 2006/575 St Paul Platform Software Support
[20:53:48] <elektronkind> 6472061 Solaris support for St Paul platform
[20:53:48] <elektronkind> Files:
[20:53:58] <elektronkind> create: usr/src/lib/fm/topo/files/SUNW,Sun-Blade-T6300/Makefile
[20:54:08] <elektronkind> ...
[20:54:17] <elektronkind> Sun Blade T6300 ?
[20:55:28] <trygvis> I wonder why locale reports LANG= while LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/default/init
[20:55:31] <trygvis> anyone got a clue?
[20:58:24] <richlowe> elektronkind: given it's unannounced, I'd expect anyone here who would know, can't tell you.
[20:58:51] <gdamore> T6300?  hmmm... sounds interesting...
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[20:59:39] <postwait> wilbury: bytes
[20:59:48] <postwait> about 1/2 megabytes per second.
[20:59:53] <wilbury> weird.
[20:59:57] <postwait> or... circa 4 megabits.
[21:01:16] <postwait> I think that it is prioritizing I/O... and the zfs send is the lowest priority
[21:01:23] <Stric> Symm: Trying 2001:4200:fffe:50::18...     Connected to mozilla.mirror.ac.za.  <- works.
[21:01:26] <postwait> which is undesirable in my situation.
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[21:11:09] <sommerfeld> electronkind: support for not-yet-shipping hardware routinely integrates into nevada.  it's just that you now see it in real time :-)
[21:18:09] <elektronkind> oh I know that :)
[21:18:22] <elektronkind> it 's just fun to speculate
[21:19:27] <Gman> hey hey hey
[21:19:43] <richlowe> mornin' Gman
[21:19:45] <Gman> sahafeez, did you get an answer?
[21:19:47] <Gman> hey richlowe
[21:20:46] <Gman> sahafeez, in any case, the reason why it was marked as 'wont fix' was a little dumb
[21:21:01] <Gman> in reality it is fixed, but in a different version of gnome we're hoping to release in snv53
[21:21:40] <gdamore> Gman: why not reopen the bug and mark it "in progress" ?
[21:22:31] <Gman> could do
[21:22:44] <Gman> it's probably the more appropriate setting
[21:22:55] <Gman> when we were triaging, we had to be pretty ruthless
[21:22:56] <gdamore> yes :-)
[21:23:26] <Gman> and wontfix was probably a quick [incorrect] option
[21:23:32] <sommerfeld> well, if it's known to be fixed in newer bits but you're not sure what change fixed it, it should end up "closed/cannot reproduce"
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[21:23:54] <gdamore> integration of gnome 2.16 will fix it.  that's pretty identifiable, IMO
[21:24:29] <gdamore> although i'm happy with CNR, as long as that is true in the current released build. :-)
[21:25:57] <sommerfeld> closing a real bug that someone cares about with WNF is tantamount to painting a target on yourself.
[21:26:24] <richlowe> especially when it's not actually true.
[21:26:34] <richlowe> frankly, lying in the bug database, for whatever reason, is Wrong.
[21:26:35] <gdamore> <sahafeez> lines up cross-hairs...
[21:26:35] <richlowe> :)
[21:26:46] <richlowe> lieing, too.
[21:26:49] <richlowe> lying in it, I guess I can live with ;)
[21:27:22] * Gman updates
[21:28:37] <gdamore> thanks Gman.
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[22:00:46] <alanc> so very quiet...
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[22:14:09] <razrX> I'm still running Sol 10 1/06 and want to upgrade to update 2 (while waiting for u3) and haven't touched this box for a pretty long time. what would be a wise update path? just running `smpatch update` ?
[22:15:25] <alanc> if you want to upgrade to update 2, download the update 2 cd/dvd set and run an upgrade install (either live upgrade or boot from install media)
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[22:15:37] <alanc> smpatch will only patch existing packages, not install new ones
[22:15:56] <razrX> kk, thx alan
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[22:20:46] <delewis> heh, Ultra 2s were a bit more solid that I thought (just got mine in today from hile_)
[22:20:56] <delewis> pretty hefty for a desktop unit.
[22:21:00] <gdamore> zzz..... waiting for my system to finish install 10 06/06
[22:21:15] <gdamore> yeah, the ultra 2s were a bit beefy.  really, really nice systems, though.
[22:21:24] <delewis> yeah, I like where the hard drives are
[22:21:29] * gdamore fondly remembers his old system.
[22:21:35] <delewis> one of the few desktop systems I've seen that are designed properly
[22:22:01] <delewis> it's a bit cramped, but most systems that try to achieve the same amount of compactness make *everything* inaccessible unless you remove everything but that :-)
[22:22:03] <gdamore> i was really annoyed, when i left qualcomm to go work for sun, i had to trade in my Ultra 2 for a SS5.  A _major_ downgrade.
[22:22:08] <jamesd> delewis, check out the power supply.. the size of the wires coming out of it are down right scary...
[22:22:15] <delewis> jamesd: I noticed
[22:22:20] <delewis> it's *huge*
[22:22:28] <delewis> but I wouldn't expect anything less from a system that uses 2xUltraSPARC-IIs
[22:22:44] <delewis> gdamore: least it wasn't an Ultra 5 or Ultra 10 :-)
[22:22:57] <gdamore> heh.  i "upgraded" from the SS5 to an Ultra 5.
[22:23:03] <gdamore> (some months later...)
[22:23:04] <delewis> oh, god.
[22:23:10] <delewis> I would've kept the SS5
[22:23:13] <delewis> and told IT to screw themselves.
[22:23:17] <gdamore> well, the ultra 5 did run a bit faster.
[22:23:28] <delewis> even faster when doing IO?
[22:23:30] <gdamore> most of my compiles were across NFS and didn't hit local storage.
[22:23:33] <delewis> ah
[22:23:52] <gdamore> i still miss that U2 though.
[22:23:59] <delewis> Ip
[22:24:01] <delewis> er
[22:24:21] <gdamore> the weird IO stalls on my Ultra 20 remind of the Ultra 5 problems.  fast CPU, but f*cked up IO
[22:24:29] <delewis> I plan on dropping a QFE in it and replacing my aging Packard Bell (PII-equivalent) that serves as my router, httpd, bind, ftpd, smtpd, pop3d, etc.
[22:24:49] <delewis> gdamore: I still don't think Solaris has quite got IDE and SATA down yet (compared to SCSI and FC)
[22:24:52] <gdamore> kinda beefy for a router, dontcha think?
[22:25:02] <delewis> that may have changed lately, but it wasn't the case when FCS was released.
[22:25:17] <gdamore> how is SATA in Nevada?  is it robust enough to use for NAS?
[22:25:18] <delewis> gdamore: well, I plan on running some beefy services -- JDS Communication server
[22:25:29] <richlowe> gdamore: Well, there's thumper...
[22:25:30] <delewis> and Sun One HTTPd
[22:25:39] * gdamore is glad he isn't paying for delewis' phone bill
[22:25:46] <gdamore> s/phone/electric/
[22:25:53] <delewis> hey, power in TN is cheap
[22:25:54] <delewis> :-)
[22:26:05] <gdamore> richlowe: does thumper use SATA drives?
[22:26:08] <richlowe> I think SATA behaves better with sata framework drivers, than in compat.
[22:26:09] <richlowe> gdamore: yeah.
[22:26:35] <gdamore> hmm.... i'm not sure if I have real PATA drives or if they are SATA running in compat on this U20
[22:26:40] <delewis> I mentioned the other night that I'm paying about $300/month to keep 5 systems turned on (including my Blade 1000 and pSeries 24/7), keep the house at a consistent 68F, and standard appliances.
[22:26:43] <sickness> it's not so easy to find a supported controller :/
[22:26:59] <delewis> (and to keep the house at 68F requires the air conditioner run almost 24/7)
[22:27:30] <gdamore> delewis: thats not so bad.  Leaving my Bullfrog 2 (dual US3i system, 300W power supply) on 24x7 added about $200 to my power bill
[22:27:43] <delewis> gdamore: nuts!
[22:27:46] <gdamore> needless to say, i stopped doing that.  but i live in california
[22:27:49] <delewis> I'd never make it in CA :-)
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[22:28:42] <gdamore> i actually have a "quad" (E450 clone) sitting by my desk, that I haven't powered on for more than a couple of hours inthe past 6 months, because it sucks up so much power and has so much fan noise
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[22:28:59] <sahafeez> yah! my new type 5 just showed up
[22:29:00] <gdamore> (quad == E450 in 2U rack chassis)
[22:29:03] <richlowe> now there's another machine with the disks in a great place.
[22:29:20] <gdamore> "new type 5"?  How did you manage that?
[22:29:20] <Sporq> is fortran included with the gnu compilers in sol10 ?
[22:29:23] <sahafeez> i had an e450 and left it on for a month. power bill went up $40 for that month!
[22:29:27] <sahafeez> new old stock
[22:29:28] <delewis> well, I've got a loud air cleaner, my pSeries 640, and a printer (HP LJ4+ with a squeaky bearing in the fan), and my SB1000 (which isn't reall all that loud)
[22:29:35] <delewis> needless to say, I'll be deaf in a few years, I'm sure.
[22:29:38] <gdamore> i think it would be a lot more than $40 if I did that
[22:30:02] <gdamore> the SB100 is the noisiest system in my room right now, until I turn on a BF2.
[22:30:07] <delewis> I guess an E4500 wouldn't be too economical in CA? :-)
[22:30:11] <sahafeez> no
[22:30:17] <sahafeez> nothing is in CA
[22:30:20] * delewis is getting one of those, too
[22:30:22] <gdamore> I have a cobalt that has a loud fan, but I disconnected it.
[22:30:23] <delewis> I think so, anyway.
[22:30:32] <gdamore> (the fan that is)
[22:31:18] <gdamore> i'm looking (still) to purchase a Via-based system to build a SATA NAS box out of, using ZFS and Nevada.
[22:31:49] <gdamore> the only reason it isn't purchased yet is that i have to go thru hoops to get the company to pay for it. :-)
[22:32:44] <delewis> you might run into a bit of trouble if you want decent performance out of the Via system (which I assume is 32-bit)
[22:32:57] <delewis> ZFS really, really likes 64-bit systems, as it can use > 512MB of memory for the ZFS cache.
[22:33:55] <libkeiser> wow. power must be cheap here in central PA.  I pull ~15A @240 24/7 for my home testbed, and still pay considerably less than 200/mo.
[22:34:12] <delewis> libkeiser: nice
[22:34:20] <delewis> I guess that includes hile's E4500, eh?
[22:34:21] <gdamore> the via is 32-bit.
[22:34:40] <libkeiser> yeah, and the p680, p640, 3 e450's, etc.
[22:34:53] <gdamore> the nice thing about the via is that i can build the whole system to draw ~30W.
[22:35:05] <delewis> heh, and I thought *I* had the power_sucks^W pSeries systems.
[22:35:13] <gdamore> including dual SATA drives and dual gigE
[22:35:48] <gdamore> libkeiser: you must be paying like industrial rates for power. :-)
[22:35:53] <sickness> the via troughtput is so shitty that I wouldn't use it for more than a 1280/256 adsl line
[22:36:06] <sickness> let alone fileserving!
[22:36:31] <sickness> you will not be able to go faster than 4 or at most 5Mbytes/s on LAN
[22:36:44] <delewis> so much for the 2xGigEs
[22:36:45] <sahafeez> here is my bill from last month http://rafb.net/paste/results/AV9b1s58.html
[22:36:59] <sickness> with the cheapest whitebox integrated ethernet you could do 11Mbytes/s
[22:37:00] <sahafeez> do not know how much p/kwhr it is in PA
[22:37:10] <libkeiser> gdamore: i wish. it's just standard 1-phase 200A residential service (off a pole transformer I could easily blow up if I went anywhere near 200A....)
[22:37:33] <FireflyST> Hi Sahafeez
[22:37:39] <sahafeez> Hello!
[22:37:52] <FireflyST> how goes it?
[22:38:02] <libkeiser> out here in the middle of nowhere, it's about $0.0667/kwh once you add up generation, transmission, distribution, etc.
[22:38:23] <sahafeez> not bad...and you?
[22:38:26] * gdamore contemplates moving to the midwest....
[22:38:31] <FireflyST> alright, working
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[22:38:45] <delewis> it's about $5.50/kwhr.
[22:38:48] <delewis> in TN, anyway.
[22:39:07] <sahafeez> here the issue is baseline  of 360 kWh but i used 633. and that is with my wife and i both working and everything off cept one server, switch and cable modem.
[22:39:08] <Error_404> i'm paying ~$6
[22:39:09] <delewis> probably closer to $6.00, actually
[22:39:14] <delewis> it's been awhile since I've checked
[22:39:34] <Error_404> and i live in the frozen northlands
[22:39:35] <gdamore> hmmm.... anyone know a convenient way to look at the miniroot on x86 DVD media?
[22:39:44] <gdamore> (i want to examine driver_aliases)
[22:39:53] <Error_404> so heating = expensive
[22:40:08] <richlowe> Yeah, but give me a second.
[22:40:10] <delewis> gdamore: loopback mount it
[22:40:23] <delewis> lofiadm -a <miniroot location>
[22:40:24] <gdamore> what file do i loopback mount?
[22:40:31] <richlowe> there's /boot/solaris/bin/root_archive, too.
[22:40:33] <delewis> mount -F ufs /dev/lofi/1 <target>
[22:40:36] <richlowe> if you want to blow it apart and change it.
[22:40:41] <delewis> oh, that's right
[22:40:44] <sahafeez> below 360 it is $.0432 above it is $.08490
[22:40:49] <delewis> I completely forgot about root_archive
[22:42:23] <gdamore> hmm.... /boot/solaris/bin/root_archive is not on my jumpstart server.  is it on the media?
[22:42:27] <richlowe> gdamore: /boot/x86.miniroot, on the media, I believe.
[22:42:32] <richlowe> and no, it's on an installed system.
[22:42:48] <gdamore> okay, i have x86.miniroot found.
[22:43:01] <gdamore> it looks like it is gzip compressed?
[22:43:07] <sickness> http://solaristhings.blogspot.com/2006/06/zfs-root-on-solaris-part-3.html  <- this is also a good article on that :)
[22:43:30] <gdamore> thanks.
[22:44:15] <gdamore> this network install sever has a lot of lofi mounts of ISOs already. :-)
[22:45:34] <gdamore> hmm... it looks like the miniroot image is endian-specific.  i probably have to do this on an x86 box...
[22:45:59] <delewis> gdamore: yes, it's UFS-formatted.
[22:46:02] <delewis> UFS is endian-dependent.
[22:46:27] <delewis> (it's better than it used to be, though -- the install media used to have an actual UFS slice)
[22:46:34] <gdamore> i remember that.
[22:46:48] <delewis> which made cross-platform Jumpstarts a pita :-)
[22:47:33] <richlowe> sparc install media still kinda does, just on the DVD image it's duplicated on hsfs.
[22:47:40] <gdamore> okay, that worked, thanks.
[22:47:52] <gdamore> which leaves me with a new mystery.
[22:48:23] <gdamore> namely, why did my Via C3 laptop (256 MB, 1GHz) hang trying to netinstall.  It definitely has an rtls 8139 ethernet
[22:48:38] <gdamore> it hung right after displaying the SunOS copyright banner
[22:48:50] <gdamore> i guess maybe I need to try to debug with kadb.
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[22:51:00] <richlowe> not much you can do if rtls itself is at fault.
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[22:51:56] <gdamore> i don't know that rtls is at fault.  i thought maybe the problem was an unsupported NIC.  but its just rtls.  so now I need to use the kernel debugger to find out what is happening
[22:52:23] <richlowe> You sure it's not just a matter of tossing an extra pciid in there and rebuild in the miniroot?
[22:52:58] <richlowe> I mean, I know you just went to all that to mount the miniroot, but you never did say how if the right ID was there :)
[22:56:23] <gdamore> that was the whole reason i checked the miniroot.
[22:56:39] <gdamore> the pci id on the hardware (verified with NetBSD) is standard 10ec,8139 (for RTLS 8139)
[22:57:41] <gdamore> i was sort of hopeful that it was something stupid like a PCI id.  now fixing it will require real debug.  Since Solaris more or less doesn't support systems with < 512MB anyway, I'm kind of not sure if I want to expend the energy
[22:58:14] <gdamore> (and yes, I _am_ bitter about the 512MB requirement for memory)
[22:58:14] <richlowe> it runs in 256M
[22:58:23] <gdamore> this laptop has 256M
[22:58:32] <richlowe> JDS is not entirely pleasant, alternatives aren't bad at all.
[22:58:58] <gdamore> heh.  i would only run CDE on the machine.  it was mostly going to be used as a test, nothing else.
[22:59:11] <gdamore> which is part of why i'm not entirely sure its worth debugging
[22:59:26] <gdamore> (just another odd piece of hardware I have hanging around)
[23:00:32] <Error_404> ramen + udon = ramudon... the holy month
[23:01:55] <axisys> how do i get xfce4 in the dtlogin.. i installed it using pkg-get .. but i dont see it in options list to pick from as a preferred window manager
[23:02:01] <axisys> on sol 10 u2  on u20
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[23:03:41] <_william_> hi all
[23:04:36] <gdamore> pkg-get -i xfce_dtlogin
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[23:05:13] <gdamore> axisys: this is how I did it on the same configuration (except s10 03/05)
[23:06:17] <axisys> gdamore: i actuall just found it too and ran that.. and restarted .. still dont see in the dtlogin options
[23:08:18] <gdamore> hmmm... maybe i had to do something else, lemme look
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[23:10:28] <gdamore> what are the contents of your /etc/dt/config directory?  do you see CSWxfce files?
[23:10:34] <axisys> gdamore: i am removing the CSWxfcedtlogin
[23:10:37] <axisys> will reinstall
[23:10:54] <axisys> let me look
[23:11:25] <axisys> i will after reinstall
[23:14:06] <axisys> still dont see it.. let me check the config dir
[23:14:31] <gdamore> hmm... i modified my Xinitrc.CSWxfce so that the last line includes ssh-agent.
[23:22:01] <axisys> gdamore: i have that file too.. but how come it does show up as an option.. hmm
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[23:23:21] <gdamore> you need /etc/dt/config/C/Xresources.d/Xresources.CSWxfce
[23:23:33] <gdamore> the dtlogin app looks for files in that directory
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[23:23:58] <gisburn> Good morning! :-)
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[23:24:16] <axisys> gdamore: checked.. its there too
[23:24:19] * gdamore throws a komodo dragon in gisburns general direction. :-)
[23:24:35] <gdamore> (no particular reason.)
[23:24:54] <gdamore> axisys, are you using dtlogin or gdm? :-)
[23:25:40] <axisys> gdamore: hmm.. i thought dtlogin.. now i am confused
[23:25:58] <gdamore> better check, because i'm running out of ideas. :-)
[23:26:25] <gdamore> i confess i've not tested this on s10 u2.  only fcs.
[23:26:46] <axisys> gdamore: in your options.. does it shows (CSW) for xfce.. or that is another one
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[23:27:17] <axisys> gdamore: i think i got it
[23:27:44] <axisys> i thought it should say xfce.. but it actually shows as window manager (csw)
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[23:27:57] <gdamore> I think ti says "Xfce (CSW)"
[23:28:06] <gisburn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAAMS - "Windows for Warships"
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[23:28:12] <gdamore> but I cannot easily check,  without logging out.
[23:28:34] * gisburn prepares the execution of gdamore (no particular reason eother)
[23:29:11] <gdamore> gisburn: 1) WfW: ewww, 2) *hides*
[23:30:15] <axisys> gdamore: how do i know if i am using gdm or dtlogin.. i think i mistook window maker w/ xfce.. still no xfce option
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[23:30:35] <trygvis> anyone had any luck compiling rrdtool on solaris 10?
[23:30:59] <axisys> trygvis: i have been using it w/ hobbit
[23:31:18] <axisys> trygvis: post your error message in pastebin
[23:31:24] <richlowe> mornin' jmcp.
[23:31:33] <gdamore> pgrep dtlogin
[23:31:36] <gisburn> gdamore: just sit down and wait for your fate. Today's special: Death by boiling acid.
[23:31:43] <richlowe> svcs '*graphical-login*'
[23:31:49] <hspaans> trygvis: long time ago, yes
[23:32:12] <jmcp_> hiya rich, one-n-all
[23:32:40] <axisys> gdamore: three of them
[23:33:28] <axisys> richlowe: does not show anything
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[23:34:15] <gdamore> axisys: well, i'm out of ideas then.  sorry.
[23:34:42] <gdamore> note i don't have any other non-default window managers installed on this system
[23:34:55] <trygvis> axisys: http://rafb.net/paste/results/egxiIu99. .. but there are no obvious error messages
[23:35:01] <trygvis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/egxiIu99.html
[23:35:27] <sahafeez> is anyone using windowmaker?
[23:36:00] <myrkraverk> how do I see how I've allocated slices?
[23:36:08] <axisys> sahafeez: i think i am
[23:36:09] <trygvis> myrkraverk: format
[23:36:16] <myrkraverk> I don't recall which one I meant for zpool
[23:36:17] <myrkraverk> format?
[23:36:39] <sahafeez> axisys: you think?
[23:36:48] <axisys> trygvis: try with LDFLAGS="-lrrd"
[23:37:18] <axisys> or even better LDFLAGS="-L /path/to/rrdlib -R /path/to/rrdlib -lrrd"
[23:37:27] <axisys> in your configure
[23:37:38] <trygvis> but this is happening while compiling librra
[23:37:39] <axisys> so LDFLAGS="-L /path/to/rrdlib -R /path/to/rrdlib -lrrd" ./configure....
[23:37:57] <axisys> then try w/o the -lrrd part
[23:38:19] <trygvis> uhm, it's not installed .. I'm trying to build the library
[23:40:28] <axisys> trygvis: its been a while since i built it.
[23:40:31] <trygvis> I can't figure out where that "false cru" part is coming from
[23:40:52] <axisys> trygvis: i think gcc just built it in previous line
[23:41:04] <trygvis> yes, it's there
[23:41:17] <axisys> do u have both .a and .so?
[23:41:29] <trygvis> no, only so
[23:41:36] <axisys> ok good
[23:41:53] <gdamore> is there a Solaris 10 equivalent of mdb's "::interrupts" ?
[23:42:02] <axisys> i dont remember but i think ./configure --help give u some options
[23:42:13] <trygvis> what am I looking for?
[23:42:31] <axisys> rrd library
[23:42:38] <axisys> or something w/rrd
[23:42:55] <trygvis> I'm trying to build it, I need a bit more detail on what do look for
[23:43:13] <axisys> but u basically need to play w/ LDFLAGS, and whats the other other CPFLGAS.. the one that defines where to look for inlcude files
[23:43:45] <trygvis> but why do you think it's failing to find the lib?
[23:43:46] <axisys> i sure cant remember the details :-( ..
[23:44:36] <axisys> well it could be your environment.. not sure
[23:44:46] <trygvis> crap, and both sfw and blastwave are way out of date
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[23:48:23] <myrkraverk> hmm, how do I use format to show me how I've allocated unused slices?
[23:48:45] <trygvis> press "p" and "p"
[23:48:49] <trygvis> partitions -> print
[23:49:20] <myrkraverk> ah, thanks
[23:51:52] <myrkraverk> oh, and what do I edit to change my hostname?
[23:52:19] <myrkraverk> (I want to change tekken characters)
[23:52:53] <myrkraverk> (yes yes, I'm a n00b)
[23:53:18] <Tpent1> shoudl do for starters
[23:53:28] <Tpent1>  /etc/host /etc/nodename
[23:53:29] <trygvis> either /etc/hostname, /etc/hostname.<interface> or /etc/nodename
[23:53:56] <Tpent1> or ifyou have an address in /etc/hostname.interface, just the mapping files
[23:53:57] <myrkraverk> ok, thanks
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