October 29, 2006 
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October 29, 2006 [00:01:58] *** laca has quit IRC [00:02:12] *** rachel has quit IRC [00:02:50] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [00:02:56] *** rachel has joined #opensolaris [00:06:30] *** dunc has quit IRC [00:08:41] <dclarke> anyone around capable of handling a really wild question ? [00:09:00] <dclarke> Undefined first referenced [00:09:00] <dclarke> symbol in file [00:09:00] <dclarke> snprintf OBJ/i386-sunos5-gcc/findinfo.o [00:09:05] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [00:09:17] <dclarke> uh oh .. snprintf .. no such puppy [00:10:23] * dclarke runs away ... [00:13:49] *** dunc has quit IRC [00:14:44] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [00:15:48] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [00:17:46] *** dks has quit IRC [00:20:00] *** gnu2it2 has joined #opensolaris [00:20:34] <Symmetria> hrm [00:20:41] <Symmetria> after you do a zpool add bpool device [00:20:45] <Symmetria> is there any way to remove that device again [00:20:48] <Symmetria> if there is still loads of space [00:23:25] <Error_404> zpool detatch [00:24:00] <Symmetria> doesnt work in non-mirror config unfortunatly [00:28:30] *** gnu2it2 has quit IRC [00:29:15] *** crib2 has joined #opensolaris [00:33:25] *** macOnki has joined #opensolaris [00:34:09] *** gnu2it2 has joined #opensolaris [00:34:12] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [00:44:47] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [00:48:25] <_william_> please does anyone know what <sys/tsol> incldues are for ? is it trusted solaris ? [00:49:53] <richlowe> Trusted Extensions, yeah. [00:50:03] <_william_> i have a compilatuion error with mozilla thudnerbird. Something in /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h tries to include <sys/tsol/label.h> but i have no tsol directory under <sys> [00:50:06] <myrkraverk> erm, is irc://irc.freenode.net/opensolaris the proper link for this channel? [00:50:35] <_william_> i don't know :) but i have found this file in opensolaris sources :) [00:50:40] <richlowe> I'm not sure how you'd end up with an audit_record.h that included tsol bits, without having the tsol bits though. [00:50:40] <_william_> i mean includes [00:50:50] <richlowe> packaging snafu? [00:50:57] <_william_> richlowe, i don't know :) [00:51:08] <richlowe> both headers are in SUNWhea... [00:51:28] <_william_> here is the file i don't have under solaris 10 http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/sys/tsol/label.h [00:51:41] <_william_> that's why i ask in #opensolaris ;) [00:51:44] <richlowe> Wait, you're on solaris 10, but with an audit_record.h included tsol bits? [00:51:49] <_william_> yes [00:52:00] <richlowe> unless you're on the 10u3 beta, that sounds broken. :) [00:52:16] <_william_> well ... so i am affraid it is broken ;) [00:54:16] <Symmetria> *sigh* [00:54:25] <Symmetria> I still cant get sconadm to register me [00:54:25] <Symmetria> :( [00:54:52] <_william_> richlowe, any idea of the best way for me to handle this ? :) [00:55:23] <richlowe> All I can think of is to file a bug/talk to Sun. [00:55:36] <richlowe> It maybe worth checking if a patch screwed up, too. [00:55:40] <richlowe> at least then you can maybe back out that patch. [00:55:43] <_william_> yes... [00:55:50] <_william_> thanks [00:55:56] <dwc-> errr [00:56:07] <_william_> i'll check my patches, then try to bug talk to sun :) [00:56:08] <Symmetria> Oct 29, 2006 12:51:43 AM com.sun.cns.basicreg.cacao.SWUPOMCacaoAdapter registerSystem [00:56:08] <Symmetria> SEVERE: Error: SWUPOM register() exception: Failed to register asset with AMS. Error message is :com.sun.scn.offering.prom.As [00:56:08] <Symmetria> setRegistrationException: InternalResourceException [00:56:11] <dwc-> are you looking at /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h ? [00:56:14] <Symmetria> anyone know what the hell that means [00:56:22] <Symmetria> in the sconadm registration log [00:56:23] <_william_> dwc yes [00:56:24] <dwc-> #if defined(TSOL) && defined(_KERNEL) [00:56:25] <dwc-> #include <sys/tsol/label.h> [00:56:25] <dwc-> #endif /* TSOL && _KERNEL */ [00:56:49] <_william_> dwc i just have #include <sys/tsol/label.h> [00:57:11] <_william_> it is not protected by #if #endif [00:57:19] <dwc-> cat /etc/release [00:57:31] <dwc-> what've you got [00:57:38] <_william_> bash-3.1$ cat /etc/release [00:57:38] <_william_> Solaris 10 6/06 s10s_u2wos_09a SPARC [00:57:38] <_william_> Copyright 2006 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All Rights Reserved. [00:57:38] <_william_> Use is subject to license terms. [00:57:38] <_william_> Assembled 09 June 2006 [00:58:22] <dwc-> headcrash# head -1 /etc/release [00:58:23] <dwc-> Solaris 10 6/06 s10s_u2wos_09a SPARC [00:58:39] <dwc-> looks like I've got the same [00:58:46] <_william_> patch problem ? [00:59:07] <dwc-> but I have #if, etc. [00:59:47] <myrkraverk> on my laptop, can /dev/cua/b be my internal modem? is there any way for me to find out? [01:00:58] <dwc-> it could be... try tip dialers or something and type ATZ and see if you get an "OK" back [01:01:23] <myrkraverk> ok [01:01:30] <_william_> nbash-3.1$ ls -la /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h [01:02:02] <_william_> not the same file as yours dwc- [01:02:36] <_william_> i am checking for up to date patches [01:03:20] <dwc-> headcrash# /usr/sfw/bin/openssl md5 /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h [01:03:20] <dwc-> MD5(/usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h)= db7c703c74cb2dbfa2a0a20d898ca1bf [01:03:23] <dwc-> doe sthat work for you? [01:03:41] <_william_> bash-3.1$ openssl md5 /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h [01:03:42] <_william_> MD5(/usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h)= 40ea448e22e9e1674847aa251d0b1c55 [01:04:10] <dwc-> looks like there's a patch to SUNWhea that gave that to you [01:04:25] <_william_> very likely [01:04:28] <dwc-> (I dropped it into http://sunsolve.sun.com/pub-cgi/fileFingerprints.pl) [01:04:34] <dwc-> 120845-02,120845-03 [01:04:57] <_william_> interting link :) i was not aware of this [01:05:07] <dwc-> I wasn't either for awhile. It is handy. [01:05:33] <dwc-> hmm http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-21-120845-03-1 claims 120845-03 is a 0-byte auditd patch [01:06:25] <dwc-> 120845-02 says "This revision accumulates S10U3 feature point patch 123354-03." [01:06:45] <_william_> so i have to rollback to an older patch level ? [01:07:05] <dwc-> I don't know... you should find out who installed that patch, and if there was a particular reason they needed it [01:07:20] <_william_> i did :) it's my personnal workstation [01:07:53] <dwc-> oh, that makes things easy then.... [01:07:54] <_william_> i happened when i run an update. I install freemissing patches from online update [01:08:14] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [01:08:24] * gisburn growles [01:08:29] <_william_> hi gisburn [01:08:35] <gisburn> _william_: Hi! [01:08:40] * gisburn growles louder [01:09:06] * gisburn wants to see some webmaster heads on sticks in front of the sun building [01:10:12] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [01:10:58] <_william_> dwc-, i am supposed to be able to remove it with patchrm, right ? [01:11:08] <dwc-> I'd think so [01:11:19] <_william_> "patch does not exist" :( [01:13:17] <myrkraverk> I'm not sure this is of interest to any of you, but here it is: http://www.myrkraverk.net/solaris/ [01:13:45] *** anaran_ has joined #opensolaris [01:13:53] <myrkraverk> anaran_: hey ;) [01:15:01] <anaran_> hi [01:15:32] <_william_> *sigh* according to pca, thispatch is not in the patches list :( [01:16:14] <anaran_> bye [01:16:19] *** anaran_ has left #opensolaris [01:16:36] <_william_> dwc-, none of the patch numbers identified on the webpage about this patch are know from my box ! [01:17:13] <dwc-> wow. [01:17:55] <_william_> does not smell good :) [01:18:26] <_william_> dwc-, what is the best way to know which patches are installed ? since pca does not since to see it [01:18:28] <dwc-> well, a candidate list would be the ones in "showrev -p | grep SUNWhea" [01:18:50] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:19:24] *** oiaohm has joined #opensolaris [01:19:47] <_william_> yes ! thanks a lot [01:20:30] <oiaohm> Am I reading the ZFS doc right. The header information in it is covered by a kinda of berkley licence. No where near as restrictive as accessing solaras source. [01:20:38] <_william_> bash-3.1$ openssl md5 /usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h [01:20:38] <_william_> MD5(/usr/include/bsm/audit_record.h)= db7c703c74cb2dbfa2a0a20d898ca1bf [01:20:50] <_william_> dwc-, it seems it worked, thanks so many :) [01:21:06] <dwc-> heh, cool. [01:21:15] <_william_> i learned a few things ;) [01:21:31] *** qbit has joined #opensolaris [01:21:39] <_william_> and Thunderbird compilation is restarted [01:21:53] <gisburn> ...and off we go.. [01:27:13] <Symmetria> http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=110414 [01:27:14] * Symmetria sighs [01:27:26] <Symmetria> eventually resorted to the forumns [01:27:35] <Symmetria> hopefully someone can tell me what the hell is wrong with it :p [01:28:31] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:28:56] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:37:05] <myrkraverk> erm, what is the name of the pdf viewer again? [01:38:56] <gisburn> xpdf ? [01:39:00] <gisburn> acroread ? [01:39:26] <gisburn> dtaction open *.pdf # should work, too. [01:41:06] *** crib3 has joined #opensolaris [01:41:41] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:42:24] *** nwf has quit IRC [01:44:07] <myrkraverk> gisburn: no, it's not xpdf, something else that I did not have to install (don't have xpdf) [01:44:17] <silly_girl22> can someone help with wake on lan for solaris 10 x86? [01:46:26] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [01:52:02] *** nwf has quit IRC [01:53:19] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [01:54:42] *** crib2 has quit IRC [01:56:13] *** badcoder has joined #opensolaris [01:57:21] <badcoder> i have troubles compiling some module in on on-src-20061009 , i cannot make obj32 , and in my other machine it compiles fine [02:00:01] *** dunc has quit IRC [02:05:43] <badcoder> is only compiling obj64 i have the same setup in both machines but ones compiles obj32 and obj64 the other only obj64 [02:10:23] <badcoder> Error, doubunder: There are two consecutive underbars in "__f_ign0". [02:11:46] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [02:11:47] *** sickness has quit IRC [02:11:55] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [02:12:06] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [02:19:40] <jafari> hello [02:19:48] <jafari> PING 97011980 [02:24:34] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [02:25:18] *** koolniczka has quit IRC [02:25:55] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [02:26:14] <alanc> myrkraverk: evince is the pdf viewer in GNOME 2.14 and later [02:27:04] *** piwi has quit IRC [02:27:44] *** nwf has quit IRC [02:29:22] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [02:29:47] *** jamesd_ has joined #opensolaris [02:32:45] *** macOnki has quit IRC [02:35:08] *** _william_ has quit IRC [02:37:56] *** jafari has quit IRC [02:39:48] <myrkraverk> alanc: k thanks ;) [02:40:22] <gisburn> alanc: do you have a SMP box around ? [02:40:45] <alanc> not at home, but I've got a lot I can ssh to [02:40:54] <alanc> why? [02:41:12] <gisburn> alanc: I want to benchmark the mandelbrotset1.ksh demo script... [02:41:47] <gisburn> alanc: how many cpus does the box have ? [02:42:22] <alanc> well, jurassic has 8, but I shouldn't be using it for benchmarking 8-) [02:42:58] <gisburn> alanc: I thought jurassic is a SF68k ... [02:43:25] <alanc> at least the zone I can log into only reports 8 cpus from psrinfo [02:43:50] <gisburn> alanc: weired. [02:43:51] <alanc> best machine I know of that has 4 cpus - 1280 Mhz SPARCs (V440 I think) [02:44:06] <gisburn> alanc: does jurassic have multiple domains active ? [02:44:08] <alanc> they are numbered 12-19 though [02:44:13] <gisburn> ah [02:44:14] <gisburn> domains [02:47:32] *** jamesd has quit IRC [02:47:55] <alanc> I'm sure the ON guys have bigger, badder test machines around somewhere [02:49:06] <dwc-> gisburn: how about a v40z -- 4x dual-core opteron [02:49:37] <gisburn> dwc-: my little monster script can easily use 1600 cpus on demand. [02:49:48] * gisburn looks for a sf25k [02:50:05] [02:50:33] * gisburn is so disappointed by niagara2's floating-point performance [02:50:36] <alanc> sorry, I don't have access to either of those [02:51:40] <gnu2it2> anyone hook me up with tar files for what i need in /tftpboot and /jumpstart for current nv ? [02:52:02] <gnu2it2> sparc ultra 5 to net install [02:53:18] <alanc> I think an SF25k would cost more than the X hardware budget for the entire decade [02:53:32] <delewis> hehe [02:54:32] <alanc> but our V440's are mostly idle, so it's hard to imagine us really having use for one either [02:55:00] <alanc> (we use one as NFS & web server, the other as Sun Ray server for our testing lab) [02:55:27] <gisburn> alanc: can you grab a V440 and send it to me, please ? [02:55:57] <alanc> I think someone would notice if the NFS server containing all the X master workspaces for Solaris 2.3 - Nevada [02:56:02] <alanc> suddently disappeared [02:56:31] <alanc> or if all the Sun Rays in our lab stopped working [02:56:53] <alanc> (though if I switched them to running off the V20z Sun Ray server, that might take a little longer to notice) [02:57:30] <delewis> till somebody starts up JDS [02:57:36] <gisburn> heh [02:57:37] <gisburn> delewis: yes [02:57:38] *** bunker has quit IRC [02:57:56] <gisburn> I wish sun would have a server for external people to work with. [02:58:07] <alanc> it's on the roadmap [02:58:30] <alanc> too many things to do, too few people trying to get them all done ASAP [02:04:27] <gisburn> alanc: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/mandelbrotset1.ksh [02:05:58] <gisburn> alanc: if you want to see the machine burn&&explode set use $ mandelbrotset1.ksh -width 1000 -height 1000 [02:06:53] <alanc> do I have to have ksh93 installed first? [02:07:51] <dwc-> #!/bin/ksh93 [02:07:52] <dwc-> looks like it [02:08:15] *** paxc has joined #opensolaris [02:08:56] <gisburn> alanc: yes [02:09:04] <gisburn> alanc: it does floating-poing math [02:09:27] <dwc-> does pdksh do floating poings? [02:09:32] <gisburn> no [02:09:36] <alanc> ah, I don't have that installed anywhere [02:10:27] <dwc-> ah, well then, neither do I [02:10:42] <gisburn> ;-( [02:11:06] <gisburn> alanc: sounds like you never played "GNAW!", too... ;-( [02:11:13] <alanc> and even though I'm logged into opensolaris.org I still can't see the ksh93 project page (I thought logging in was the workaround mentioned) [02:11:25] <alanc> nope, just heard you pester gman about it [02:11:43] <gisburn> alanc: can you reply that info to the list, please ? [02:12:03] <gisburn> and cc: website-discuss at opensolaris dot org [02:12:10] <alanc> I already deleted the e-mail [02:12:15] <gisburn> ugh [02:12:32] <alanc> wonder if I can see the jive forum without being able to see the project page [02:13:17] <badcoder> is anyone having problems mounting fat32 usb disks detected as fat16 ? [02:13:24] *** dunc has quit IRC [02:13:45] <alanc> oh jive is funny [02:14:05] <alanc> since the subject contained a URL, clicking it takes you to the URL instead of to the message [02:14:21] <LeftWing_> haha [02:14:24] <LeftWing_> Awesome. [02:14:27] *** LeftWing_ is now known as LeftWing [02:15:04] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [02:39:04] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [02:41:25] *** wesw has joined #opensolaris [02:42:04] <sahafeez> xit [02:43:23] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [02:44:09] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [02:44:37] *** oiaohm has quit IRC [02:47:41] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [02:50:39] <sahafeez> so if i wanted to build rhythmbox with aac support - would i use gcc or sunstuido. if gcc who's should i install - the companion cd, blastwave, sunfreeware. talk slowly i am not a programer [02:52:03] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [02:53:11] *** badcoder has quit IRC [02:54:20] <delewis> you should use the one Solaris ships [02:54:25] <delewis> if you use gcc [02:54:37] <sahafeez> ok, thanks. [02:54:44] <delewis> I would try gcc first (see if that compiles), if it does try Sun Studio [02:54:50] <delewis> if Sun Studio fails, revert to gcc [02:55:47] <sahafeez> one issues with solaris. lack of up-to-date packages [02:56:02] <sahafeez> its is like using slackware again ;) [03:01:17] <gisburn> grumpf [03:01:53] <gisburn> how can I get $ echo "<br>" | sed "s/<br>/newline/g" # to replace <br> with newline... a '\n' character ? [03:02:19] <dwc-> ^V<enter> [03:02:34] <dwc-> or `printf '\n'` [03:02:48] <gisburn> dwc-: there is no other way ? [03:03:17] <dwc-> `perl -e 'print "\n"'` ? [03:07:13] <gisburn> nope [03:07:20] <elektronkind> perl -e 'while<>{ s/<br>/\n/g;print}' < file.html [03:07:21] <gisburn> works in the C locale [03:07:23] <elektronkind> or something like that [03:07:36] <elektronkind> perl -e 'while(<>){ s/<br>/\n/g;print}' < file.html [03:07:37] <gisburn> grumpf [03:11:18] *** cneira has joined #opensolaris [03:14:30] *** Administrator has quit IRC [03:14:59] *** Administrator has joined #opensolaris [03:15:06] <twincest> i want a firefox extension that turns SF prdownload links into links to the actual file on a mirror [03:16:35] *** Fish- has quit IRC [03:18:19] *** nwf has quit IRC [03:26:33] <dwc-> 19:07 < elektronkind> perl -e 'while(<>){ s/<br>/\n/g;print}' < file.html [03:26:37] <dwc-> have you seen perl -ne? [03:26:52] <dwc-> it, and perl -pe are quite handy [03:27:01] <dwc-> perl -ne 's/<br>/\n/g' [03:27:08] <dwc-> runs over input [03:27:20] <dwc-> perl -pe runs it over input, and prints it out [03:30:24] *** gm152_ has joined #opensolaris [03:35:43] *** Dr_Jekyl1 has joined #opensolaris [03:38:29] *** Dr_Jekyll has quit IRC [03:42:29] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [03:44:58] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [03:46:09] *** OnkelSchorsch has left #opensolaris [03:46:10] *** Xh4 has quit IRC [03:49:23] <silly_girl22> can someone help me with wake on lan? its not working [03:51:26] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [03:52:49] *** cneira has quit IRC [03:57:46] <hile_> wake on lan? [04:00:24] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [04:00:55] <silly_girl22> if you dont know, you wont be able to help [04:01:02] <axisys> i am planning to install apache in a secure way using this procedure http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/s10securityhowto.jsp [04:01:09] <silly_girl22> wake on lan turns on a computer thats powered off from the network [04:01:26] <axisys> anyone has any suggestion in addition to that url? [04:02:04] <sahafeez> WoL does not turn a computer on. it wakes a computer from sleep. it has to be on and in sleep mode ;) [04:02:26] <sahafeez> and in order to wake it you must send a very specific set of packets [04:02:28] * hile_ wonders what this sleep mode thing is... I'd only use that on lapdogs [04:03:49] <Stric> sahafeez: wake on lan can start up a computer from poweroff too [04:04:19] <Stric> if your nic is connected right to the mobo (usually only for integrated thingies) [04:04:33] <sahafeez> new to me. i know it still needs a very specific set of packets. [04:04:46] <Stric> easily solved with perl or so [04:04:48] <sahafeez> learned something new today ;) [04:05:47] <Stric> 0xff * 6 + macaddress * 16.. off it goes.. [04:08:33] *** paxc has quit IRC [04:20:11] <sahafeez> tanking 2 hours to dl one part of the 50 dvd. yuk. and it is not me as i have a 6mb pipe [04:21:08] *** nwf has quit IRC [04:22:27] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [04:30:13] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [04:30:20] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [04:30:34] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [04:32:55] *** polk__ has quit IRC [04:37:40] *** laca has quit IRC [04:43:26] *** crib3 has quit IRC [04:44:53] <axisys> sahafeez: what r u using to download? [04:45:20] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [04:45:21] <axisys> wget? [04:47:06] <axisys> try axel.. u could speed up the download by 10 times [04:54:58] *** gm152_ has quit IRC [05:02:07] <Error_404> does it speed up by dropping the "y" and "o" from the word "you"? [05:02:22] <Error_404> that shaves whole miliseconds off typing [05:05:57] <twincest> saves bandwidth too [05:07:51] <delewis> and kills braincells [05:07:54] <delewis> all at the same time. [05:09:29] <sahafeez> axisys - firefox [05:10:43] <sahafeez> axisys interesting - is there an solaris package [05:16:28] <jmcp> sahafeez: firefox is /usr/bin/firefox [05:16:43] <sahafeez> not firefox - alex [05:18:50] *** bengtf__ has joined #opensolaris [05:18:54] *** bengtf__ is now known as bengtf [05:21:48] <axisys> sahafeez: u compile it.. very small src [05:23:41] <axisys> sahafeez: http://freshmeat.net/redir/axel/14976/url_tgz/axel-1.0b.tar.gz [05:23:55] <axisys> it should take a min to compile [05:24:16] <axisys> i download file like this, axel -n 10 http://freshmeat.net/redir/axel/14976/url_tgz/axel-1.0b.tar.gz [05:24:32] <axisys> 10 simultaneos connection [05:24:34] *** Xh4 has joined #opensolaris [05:24:41] <sahafeez> thanks. not setup to compile right now ; no gcc - less it will compile in sunstudio [05:24:44] <axisys> so u get it 10 times faster [05:25:08] <axisys> u should be able to compile it using sun studio [05:25:15] <axisys> i never tried tho [05:25:24] <sahafeez> thank for the info. i will try it out! [05:25:32] <axisys> or compile on a system that has gcc and just copy the binary [05:30:12] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [05:30:56] <jteo> morn [05:34:12] <delewis> sahafeez: do you not install gcc with Solaris? [05:35:14] <sahafeez> unless it is in the default install [05:35:17] <sahafeez> no [05:35:24] <delewis> it's in the full install [05:35:35] <sahafeez> path? [05:35:37] <delewis> /usr/sfw/bin/gcc [05:35:49] <sahafeez> ah, k. let me check [05:36:19] <sahafeez> ah, nice. ok. thanks. i thought you had to install 3rd party (sorry still thinking 2.6) [05:36:27] <delewis> nope [05:37:52] *** Sieghard has joined #opensolaris [05:38:01] *** nwf has quit IRC [05:38:22] <sahafeez> no make? [05:38:55] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [05:41:27] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [05:41:43] <jmcp> sahafeez: /usr/ccs/bin/make [05:41:50] <jmcp> sahafeez: haven't you asked that question before now? [05:42:24] <sahafeez> no [05:42:29] <sahafeez> File size: 593458294 bytes [05:42:30] <sahafeez> Segmentation Fault (core dumped) [05:42:31] <sahafeez> nice. [05:43:18] <sahafeez> all that work ;) [05:43:42] <sahafeez> jmcp not having some of this stuff in the default path is a pain! [05:45:39] <jmcp> sahafeez: not reading documentation is a pain [05:46:20] <sahafeez> jmcp i fail to see why sun must put every damn usefull prg out of the normal path ;) [05:46:49] <sahafeez> i mean, ping for gods sake! [05:49:45] <jamesd_> ping is only needed by the administrator of course its in /sbin [05:51:01] <delewis> likewise, not every Solaris user needs a C compilation environment. [05:51:26] <delewis> this seems to be spawned out of the movement of bringing "UNIX to the masses who think they need tools they don't really need" [05:52:28] <delewis> likewise, if you do need a C compilation environment you should be competent enough to find the filesystem(5) man page that describes where the C compilation environment is located. [05:53:56] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [05:54:59] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [06:05:24] *** bengtf has quit IRC [06:10:58] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [06:17:43] <Error_404> sahafeez: default path is a dangerous place to put things [06:18:22] <Error_404> /bin and /sbin and /lib *MUST* be availiable... often /usr is placed on NFS [06:19:08] <sahafeez> i guess i can see the logic in that being that solaris is netbooted alot. [06:19:52] <Error_404> & if you have non-root administrators that can perhaps write to /usr, but not /bin... [06:20:07] <sahafeez> i guess i have gotten used to *bsd/linux and now need to start thinking solaris again. [06:20:16] <Error_404> if root has /usr in it's $PATH, you fire one of the admins & he gets beligerent... [06:20:24] <Error_404> i'll let you finish that one [06:20:40] *** gnu2it2 has quit IRC [06:21:06] <Error_404> it's a fair bet that if linux does it different from solaris, linux is doing it wrong [06:21:30] <Error_404> for various definitions of 'wrong' [06:21:31] <sahafeez> ha! [06:21:43] <Error_404> (eg, solaris is UNIX2003 certified.... linux is not) [06:22:10] <Error_404> there's also SUS & POSIX to contend with... neither of which linux is completely compliant with [06:22:52] <Error_404> in fact, linux isn't even standardized across distributions [06:23:10] <Error_404> or versions of a singe distr [06:23:16] <sahafeez> which btw, is my biggest issue with linux. [06:24:25] <sahafeez> like i said, need to start thinking solaris again since i moved my workstation to it. i used ot have a nice .bashrc that had everything i tweaked to make me happy in it. just need to see if i can find it. it is from my last solaris desktop - v2.6 [06:24:52] *** OnkelSchorsch_ has joined #opensolaris [06:26:01] <Error_404> a linux .bashrc should work fine as well [06:26:06] <Error_404> bash is bash [06:26:39] <sahafeez> ah, no. this file had all the stuff pathed i wanted that you want to kill admin for ;) [06:28:15] <sahafeez> freaking 4 hours now on one segment of the dvd! [06:28:22] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [06:28:27] <sickness> like: [06:28:28] <sickness> PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/sfw/sbin:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/csw/bin:/opt/PM/bin [06:28:31] <sickness> export PATH [06:28:33] <sickness> ? [06:28:36] <sahafeez> yah. [06:28:58] <sickness> heh, I know, putting the path together is a little annoying... [06:29:07] *** gnu2it2 has joined #opensolaris [06:29:18] <sahafeez> and other stuff like LD path etc.. [06:29:23] <delewis> /opt/onbld/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/sbin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/opt/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/bin:/opt/texlive/2005/bin/sparc-solaris:/etc [06:29:28] <sahafeez> i just do not remember it all like i used ot ;) [06:29:39] <delewis> $ echo $MANPATH [06:29:40] <delewis> /opt/SUNWspro/man:/opt/onbld/man:/opt/texlive/2005/texmf/doc/man:/opt/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/dt/man:/usr/openwin/man:/usr/sfw/man:/opt/sfw/man:/usr/local/man [06:29:47] <sickness> oh, that too [06:29:48] <sahafeez> delewis what is xpg4 [06:29:53] <Error_404> solaris is *the best* documented operating system in the world [06:29:53] <delewis> POSIX userland [06:29:56] <delewis> I always put it before /usr/bin [06:30:02] <delewis> so I have POSIX-compliant tools [06:30:13] <delewis> the default Solaris userland is *not* POSIX-compliant in any shape or form. [06:30:45] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [06:31:21] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [06:31:24] <LeftWing> It's Solaris Compliant. =D [06:31:47] <delewis> basically. :-) [06:31:52] <delewis> in it's own sick, little way. [06:31:58] <LeftWing> hehe [06:31:59] <loke> delewis: doing so may mess up a lot of scripts though [06:32:05] <LeftWing> I enjoy the Solaris userland in a masochistic sort of way. [06:32:20] <delewis> loke: not any of the scripts I deal with. [06:32:52] <delewis> LeftWing: I can't be forced to use a grep that doesn't support EREs without using egrep :-) [06:33:03] <LeftWing> heh [06:33:14] <LeftWing> I just use egrep if I require them. =P [06:33:35] <LeftWing> And ggrep on the odd occasion that I require simple recursion. [06:33:40] <delewis> well, grep -E *is* specified by POSIX for a reason. [06:33:59] <delewis> and ggrep has the extension of allowing you to use EREs in BRE mode by escaping the metachars [06:34:23] <delewis> despite POSIX not specifying this behaviour, the ggrep man page still encourages you to use this extension. [06:34:37] <delewis> which means silly freeware c0d3rs fall into the trap [06:34:45] <LeftWing> c0d3rs rul3 m4n. [06:34:50] <delewis> yeah, right. :-) [06:34:57] <LeftWing> l4y 0ff t3h c0d3rZ. [06:35:07] <LeftWing> Christ I hate them. [06:35:16] <delewis> I know two channels full of them. [06:35:21] <LeftWing> #mplayersigh :P [06:35:38] <delewis> and in fact, I've fixed the aforementioned ggrep c0d3r trap in the 'configure' script for one of them. [06:35:52] <delewis> (which prevented SSE and SSE2 from being detected on Solaris/AMD64) [06:36:13] <LeftWing> LOCATION=`locate something_config` is another foolish configure scriptism I object to. [06:36:33] *** Drone has quit IRC [06:36:46] <LeftWing> I'd prefer a well-formatted Makefile if I'm going to have to modify a configure script anyway. [06:37:01] <delewis> and why configure scripts still don't use /usr/bin/env sh is mind-boggling. [06:37:13] <delewis> assuming the shell in /bin is POSIX-compliant is silly. [06:37:18] <delewis> silliness to the n-th degree. [06:37:55] <sahafeez> just tried to drag and drop a file. desktop locked up hard. had to ssh in and kill nautilus. [06:38:05] <delewis> sahafeez: yeah :-) [06:38:16] <delewis> sahafeez: mind testing something for me? [06:38:29] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [06:38:32] <delewis> (just to prove to the JDS team that I'm *not* psychotic*) [06:38:37] <sahafeez> sure. just did it agian to make sure [06:38:44] <sahafeez> what can i do for yah [06:38:44] <delewis> (they think I am because I reported a bug that was SPARC-only) [06:38:47] <delewis> it want crash your system [06:38:55] <delewis> does your Trash work correctly? [06:38:58] <sahafeez> hum. [06:38:59] <sahafeez> yes [06:39:06] <delewis> can you actually drag something into your Trash and it'll show up in .Trash? [06:39:09] <delewis> well [06:39:10] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [06:39:11] <sahafeez> well, i can empty it. never tried to get anything out of it. [06:39:11] <delewis> don't drag :-) [06:39:29] * LeftWing stays with Vermillion 40. [06:39:31] <sahafeez> i reported it as a bug back in 46!!! [06:39:47] <delewis> sahafeez: I can move something to my trash [06:39:51] <delewis> but it never appears in .Trash [06:39:56] <delewis> and when I click to see my trash, there's nothing there. [06:40:03] <jteo> make has been abused to do things it wasn't designed to do. and the Makefile language is horrible. [06:40:05] <delewis> oh, I'm getting confused [06:40:07] <LeftWing> Does it disappear from whence it came? [06:40:08] <delewis> it *does* appear in .Trash [06:40:09] <sahafeez> if i put solaris 10u2 will drag and drop work [06:40:13] <delewis> but Nautilus doesn't see it [06:40:20] <delewis> when I try to look at what's in the Trahs [06:40:34] <sahafeez> i just checked. i see files i just trashed [06:40:41] <delewis> ugh. [06:40:59] <sahafeez> is the drag and drop thing a known bug or do i need to open a report - again [06:41:04] * LeftWing has Solaris 10 U1 + Vermillion 40 on his Sun Ray server. [06:41:07] <delewis> sahafeez: I haven't reported it [06:41:10] <LeftWing> Dragging works for me. [06:41:11] * delewis thinks no one uses JDS in SPARC [06:41:16] <delewis> s/in/on [06:41:18] <delewis> :-) [06:41:27] * jteo thinks no one uses the trash [06:41:36] <LeftWing> Yeah, Trash is l4m3. [06:41:45] <jmcp> jteo: only to carry it out [06:41:51] <jmcp> well, I take the rubbish out, not the trash [06:42:09] <jteo> jmcp, JDS. not IRL. [06:42:18] <jmcp> I know, don't worry [06:42:20] <LeftWing> Actually I was rather fond of the Trash can on 9" B&W Macintoshes -- it just seemed right. The Recycle Bin has since killed any attraction for me, though. [06:43:07] <sahafeez> hum. i know i opened a report on this before. i should check it [06:43:40] * LeftWing wishes he could file an RFE for Sun Rays. [06:44:01] <delewis> LeftWing: try filing an RFE or bug report for an IBM product [06:44:08] <delewis> it's synonymous with "contact your sales rep" [06:44:23] <LeftWing> If I was actually fond of anything that's come out of IBM I would try. ;P [06:44:32] <delewis> :-) [06:44:49] <delewis> ugh [06:44:54] <delewis> why is the gimp so slow starting up [06:45:07] <LeftWing> Because it forks a hundred scripts/"plugins" to see what they all are? [06:45:18] <delewis> 180018 dlewis 17 8.1 0.0 0.0 0.0 67 6.1 1.8 210 48 809 0 gimp-2.3/3 [06:45:23] <delewis> the 67 is from the LCK column ;-) [06:45:39] <delewis> 10K syscalls.. [06:45:50] * elektronkind tries to formulate a good article layout for solaristutorials.com [06:45:58] <elektronkind> http://zot.solaristutorials.com/Solaris_I/O_Multipathing [06:46:04] <elektronkind> any opinions on structure? [06:46:56] <LeftWing> Looks OK so far. [06:47:04] <sahafeez> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6443140 [06:47:14] <sahafeez> marked closed fixed. need to tell them it is back! [06:47:15] <elektronkind> don't mind what the article actually says, I'm just trying to come up with a standard format ;) [06:47:43] * LeftWing puts Mercurial on his list of things to learn. [06:47:58] <delewis> it's your standard SCM [06:48:03] <delewis> with some modified terminology [06:48:06] <delewis> and a few caveas [06:48:09] <delewis> er, caveats [06:48:20] <jteo> delewis, the same can be said for ANY piece of software. ;) [06:48:22] <LeftWing> delewis: Any pertinent ones that spring to mind? =P [06:48:37] <LeftWing> It looks like less of a pain in the arse to build than SVN. [06:48:55] <delewis> SVN is a pain, especially if you actually want to have your own repository. [06:49:06] <sahafeez> hum, no curl or wget in a defualt install [06:49:09] <delewis> likewise, Mercurial is pretty slick, as it's Python. [06:49:14] <delewis> sahafeez: /usr/sfw/bin/wget [06:49:30] <elektronkind> curl would be a usefule sfw addition [06:49:40] <elektronkind> even just for libcurl [06:49:45] <sahafeez> ahah! i am adding sft/bin to my path now!!! [06:49:48] <delewis> actually, I say SVN is a pain as I was trying to setup an SVN repository on my pSeries running AIX. [06:49:55] <delewis> SVN depends on libtool quite a bit [06:50:01] <delewis> which is broken, and I say *broken* [06:50:10] <delewis> and it wouldn't even package correctly, so I rm'd it quickly. [06:50:17] *** wesw has quit IRC [06:50:22] <delewis> I went with cvs :-) [06:50:31] <LeftWing> haha [06:50:54] <LeftWing> I think the last time I built it I did it very minimally and just tarballed up /opt/JMCsvn =P [06:50:55] *** astinus has quit IRC [06:51:14] <delewis> it builds on Solaris -- AIX is another matter, though. [06:51:58] <jteo> delewis, ;) [06:52:40] <LeftWing> I've heard tell that IBM use rather a lot of Solaris and NT 4.0 in their Global Services stuff... [06:52:42] * delewis will eventually be migrating his CVS repository from the pSeries over to my new Sun server whenever it arrives.. [06:52:48] <elektronkind> wasn't it said that AIX is the result of aliens seening UNIX and then implementing it in their own way? [06:52:51] <jteo> delewis, and that would be? [06:52:55] <elektronkind> s/seening/seeing [06:53:11] *** astinus has joined #opensolaris [06:53:14] <delewis> jteo: well, not "new", but "new" to me -- probably an Ultra 80/E420R or E4500. [06:53:21] <jteo> delewis, that's nice. ;) [06:53:35] <delewis> yeah, I've been waiting for a good deal on Ebay before I make my move :-) [06:53:59] <delewis> and that would give me a chance to relegate the pSeries purely to database stuff, specifically with Oracle/DB2. [06:54:08] <sahafeez> E4500 - how many procs is that [06:54:15] <delewis> sahafeez: 4-14. [06:54:20] <delewis> likewise, 4-14GB of memory. [06:54:38] <sahafeez> nice energy bill there. [06:54:45] <delewis> power in TN is cheap. [06:54:53] <jamesd_> you can use less than use as little as 1 cpu and 256MB of ram... [06:54:58] <delewis> otherwise, I wouldn't have a POWER system on at the moment (they *suck* up the power) [06:54:58] <sahafeez> ah, the TBA [06:55:31] <sahafeez> i turn my U80 off when not in use as i am in CA [06:56:05] <delewis> yes, I've noticed Californians, Northerners (specifically, from the NY and NJ areas), and Europeans tend to be scared of power consumption. [06:56:29] <elektronkind> our electricity rates went up 50-70% here in maryland [06:56:35] <elektronkind> this past summer [06:56:40] <delewis> I'm paying roughly $300/month to keep an 1,800 sq. ft. house at 68C with standard utilities, and 5 systems. [06:56:52] <elektronkind> the state dropped their imposed price caps [06:57:28] <sahafeez> 68C [06:57:31] <delewis> er [06:57:34] <delewis> 68F :-) [06:57:39] <delewis> that'd be a bit hot :-) [06:58:27] <sahafeez> hum. my bill in aug was $300 for 1200 sq foot house that i keep at 78F for the time we were home - so weekends and 6-pm to 7am [06:58:58] <delewis> hehe [06:59:04] <delewis> I couldn't stand that. [06:59:31] <delewis> if I don't keep the house, in general, at 68F the office with my computers in it gets unbearably hot and systems start to become unhappy. [06:59:35] <sahafeez> i spent lots of time in the middle east. as long as it is dry heat i do not notice to much [06:59:48] <delewis> well, TN isn't very dry. [06:59:54] <delewis> it's *very*, *very* humid here. [06:59:59] <delewis> typically > 90% humidity. [07:00:12] <delewis> especially, in the summers when the average temperature is around 90F-100F [07:00:18] <sahafeez> i have dumbed down too once server, one desktop, one switch, one wifi and 2 laptops and the u80. [07:00:26] <elektronkind> "georgia hot" [07:00:31] <delewis> basically. [07:00:33] <delewis> and it *sucks* [07:00:53] <sahafeez> ah, i did boot camp in georgia [07:01:01] <elektronkind> ft. benning? [07:01:08] <sahafeez> yes. [07:01:28] <elektronkind> my family is from there [07:01:31] <sahafeez> columbus, ga. a redoubt of fine culture [07:01:35] <sahafeez> haha [07:01:40] <elektronkind> dad did part of ranger school there [07:01:44] * delewis wonders when Oracle started being unnecessarily paranoid about the number of network services runnign on a database server [07:01:49] <sahafeez> <=- stick foot in mouth [07:01:52] <delewis> "Oracle recommends that you close all unnecessarily open ports, especially on internet-facing hosts" [07:01:55] <elektronkind> heh, columbus is a good ol' boys town [07:02:03] <elektronkind> I completely agree :) [07:02:04] <sahafeez> so did i. 3rd ranger batt. [07:02:05] <delewis> "Port Number?111?1158?13?1334?1581?199?2049?21?22?23?..." [07:02:06] <gnu2it2> i heard cost of living is pretty cheap in TN compared to DC. my mom is lookining at relocating [07:02:21] <sahafeez> then on to ft. bragg [07:02:38] <delewis> gnu2it2: yes, $30k-$40k/yr and you can get ~ 2,000 sq. ft. house in a decent area of wherever you live. [07:02:43] <elektronkind> hey... ft bragg. I'm a product of cape fear hospital :) [07:02:55] <delewis> Memphis and Nashville have slightly elevatated COLs, but it's not *that* much. [07:02:59] <sahafeez> gnu2it2 my friend steve (who is not running the IT at yahoo) moved from san jose to TN for work. i told him he would not last a year. he made it 2. back in san jose now [07:03:01] <jmcp> elektronkind: you wz conceived in a hospital? [07:03:12] <sahafeez> army bratt [07:03:29] <elektronkind> jmcp: hahah nope, that's where my "drop zone" was, as my dad puts it [07:03:52] <sahafeez> delewis - you could buy a house for the down payment on one in san diego in TN [07:04:03] <sahafeez> i like your dad already [07:04:05] <delewis> sahafeez: precisely. :-) [07:04:22] <gnu2it2> <sahafeez> dropping names, ehh ? [07:04:44] <sahafeez> no, just to give perspective on his views to frame the reaction [07:05:13] <sahafeez> he is a techie - no frys in TN [07:05:26] <elektronkind> sahafeez: he was a signal corps O2 in 1975, just did ranger school (winter ranger!) and was with some tactical signal batallion there at bragg (which I don't think is active anymore) [07:05:56] <elektronkind> long time ago [07:06:01] <gnu2it2> i spent a yr in Tyler, Tx, nothing to do but work, hot as hell and humid,, wish i could forget those days [07:06:36] <sahafeez> elektronkind: hum, my best friend was signal. i did boot/airborne/ranger/john wayne school for wayward boys... [07:07:14] <elektronkind> sounds like a decently fun time [07:08:09] *** nwf has quit IRC [07:09:59] <sahafeez> it was until i learned that war was not like the movies. getting hit with reality hurts alot [07:10:15] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [07:16:29] *** gisburn has quit IRC [07:17:46] <sahafeez> everyone is pissed because of the steve irwin bit on last weeks southpark. me, i bet steve would have laughted at it. [07:18:35] <gnu2it2> when doing a useradd, is there a -P proifile that will have the full PATH info in it? new install [07:19:24] *** nwf has quit IRC [07:20:10] <gnu2it2> do you think steve irwins wife and daughter will carry on with the park and show ? [07:20:37] <jmcp> yes [07:22:30] <sahafeez> i hope so. my little one loved to watch him [07:22:57] <sahafeez> wow. it is like a solaris story a day now on osnews [07:23:11] <FireflyST> hi guys [07:23:36] <astinus> Could anyone suggest a lightweight WM which isn't totally impossible to install, and is Xinerama aware? [07:24:02] <sahafeez> hum, twm [07:24:25] <rydis> I imagine 9wm or wm2/wmx would fit. [07:24:30] <sahafeez> check flufbox or blackbox [07:24:34] <astinus> I tried fluxbox, which memleaked like a bastard; six seconds after it starts its using 4GB of RAM [07:24:53] * astinus grins [07:25:07] <sahafeez> really? wow! never seen that. used it for years [07:25:16] <astinus> I've used it before under Linux, with no issues [07:25:17] <sahafeez> not on solaris tho so [07:25:48] <astinus> *shrug* Needless to say, using 4GB of RAM, all my swap and causing my disks to rape themselves = not a good start to our 'relationship' ;) [07:25:59] <rydis> I use GWM, which isn't really lightweight per se, but hasn't bloated since it hasn't been developed since 1993 or so. Might be a bit of a bother to build, though. [07:26:10] <rydis> piewm is nice, too. [07:26:18] <sahafeez> hum, you do not like JDS. it is great as long as you do not drag or drop [07:26:35] <sahafeez> windowmaker works on solaris [07:26:41] <astinus> JDS is really 'heavy' and my system dies :/ [07:26:50] <astinus> like window redraws take 10-15 seconds [07:26:57] <astinus> if I do something that requires all three monitors to refresh totally [07:26:58] <sahafeez> 486? [07:27:09] <astinus> ... no actually, which is weird [07:27:22] <sahafeez> you know you can just say porn, we will not judge you ;) [07:27:22] <astinus> its a EM64T system :/ [07:27:54] <rydis> I don't use Xinerama myself, so I don't really know how they fare there. (I prefer using separate screens.) [07:27:59] <sahafeez> ok, a complete atari 130xe is up to $114 on ebay [07:28:14] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [07:28:22] <sahafeez> what are you doing to make the system crawl like that [07:28:29] <FireflyST> sahafeez: If you need 8 bit atari junk I have the hookup [07:28:36] <elektronkind> we need to take over lxer with solaris articles ;) [07:28:51] <astinus> absolutely nothing :/ [07:28:51] <sahafeez> fireflyst, no i am a commodore junk guy [07:29:05] <astinus> I have no idea why its crawling, and its *very* annoying [07:29:19] <sahafeez> well i suggest you submit a bug. [07:29:28] <FireflyST> sahafeez: got hookups locally for that too,lol [07:29:31] <sahafeez> serirous. or an email to the list with hardware specs etc.. [07:29:48] <sahafeez> fireflyst i need an sdf-1000 drive [07:29:57] <astinus> I have two nVidia 6200's installed in PCIe, system is a dual 3GHz xeon with 4GB RAM .. and its crawling just doing desktop'y stuff :/ [07:30:12] <FireflyST> sahafeez: is that rare at all? [07:30:22] <sahafeez> something is broked. sent email to list [07:30:25] <sahafeez> or ask here durning the day [07:30:28] <sahafeez> yes [07:30:30] <sahafeez> very rare [07:30:42] <sahafeez> oh and a 1551, not 1541 a 1551 [07:31:10] <FireflyST> sahafeez: that's the 3.5" drive, right? [07:31:57] <sahafeez> no, 1581 is a 3.5. 1551 was a drive just for the c16 and plus4 with a TED interface. it is all black to [07:32:13] <FireflyST> oh wow [07:32:40] <FireflyST> sahafeez: I'm not sure any of my cbm usergroup guys have one of those [07:33:06] <sahafeez> ah, cool. where are you located? [07:33:21] <sahafeez> i have a nice 128d sitting next to me. [07:33:28] <sahafeez> oh, a C65 would be cool to., [07:34:07] <FireflyST> illinois, usa [07:34:10] <sahafeez> since i am dreaming. think one went on ebay for 2k [07:34:22] <sahafeez> ah, well. in san diego. no usergroup here [07:34:24] *** Sieghard has quit IRC [07:34:54] <FireflyST> I'm in an Atari usergroup too [07:35:20] <FireflyST> we have 10 members, still goin since '82 [07:35:25] <sahafeez> never got into that. i was a cbm user. [07:35:35] *** jteo has quit IRC [07:35:46] <sahafeez> now, i have a towered amiga 1200 here to. with fastide and a pci bus [07:36:03] <sahafeez> going on ebay i think. dont play with it 2 much [07:36:21] <FireflyST> I grew up on cbm, but moved to ST [07:36:51] <sahafeez> i went CBM-Amiga-PC-NeXT/Sun-Mac [07:37:09] <FireflyST> My dad had a vic20 in '82 and a C128d till we got our 286 in 1989 [07:37:44] <sahafeez> i really need to win the lotto or do another statup so i can have the $$ to buy all this old junk [07:38:33] <FireflyST> you should join the #classiccmp channel I'm in [07:38:49] <sahafeez> #classiccmp [07:38:51] <gnu2it2> i spent some time on atarii wasted time but taught me some patients [07:38:52] <sahafeez> k [07:39:00] <sahafeez> need to put a join on that ;) [07:39:06] *** slowhog has quit IRC [07:39:14] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [07:39:59] <sahafeez> computers are boring now. no fun. no hacking like in the past. i really hate them. just not cool anymore [07:40:42] <FireflyST> I much celebrated obtaining an original IBM AT today - for free nonetheless [07:41:13] <gnu2it2> that is a shame,, so the bored jerks create viruses for windoz [07:41:23] *** OnkelSchorsch_ has quit IRC [07:42:21] <FireflyST> I'm big time into DEC PDP11s mysef, I have two [07:42:28] <gnu2it2> nothing really aginst bill g. but he has more money then me and does not need mine [07:42:31] <sahafeez> things were more fun when you had strange hardware that add wierd stuff .. [07:43:15] <FireflyST> sahafeez: like when adding RTTY was "cool"? :) [07:44:45] <sahafeez> wow, i have found the hotest ramon noodles. even to much for me and i once drank dave's insantiy sause on a bet and lived [07:45:31] *** ProfMikey has quit IRC [07:46:15] <gnu2it2> sahafeez: I spent goos portion of the day figuring out how to get my linux disk to format with Sun Lables to get a install on a ultra 5. then scratching up a dvd drive that the u5 could deal with, there are plenty of hardware hack still needed [07:46:51] *** sickness has quit IRC [07:47:30] <sahafeez> bah, that is not a hack. that is not reading the docs. [07:47:35] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [07:48:37] <gnu2it2> i want to thank the folks her and a few other channels for for tips and tricks to get this far ! [07:49:17] <sahafeez> it can be a pain. solaris is differnet. [07:49:34] <gnu2it2> had to dig out an old sol 5.7 to get format to work and write labels [07:50:22] <sahafeez> why, boot a gentoo sparc cd. it has the tools on the disk [07:50:43] <sahafeez> but i guess you do need someone to point that out [07:50:57] <sahafeez> the fdisk on gentoo sparc can do labels, etc. [07:51:15] <FireflyST> I'm going to try Solaris Express on my U5 soon [07:51:29] <Error_404> gentoo sparc is the most retarded thing in the world [07:51:43] <Error_404> why in blazes would you run linux on sparc in the first place, and gentoo no less [07:52:23] <sahafeez> now now Error, we are letting our personal dislikes clould your judgement. he just needed the tool. [07:52:35] <gnu2it2> tried gentoo, ubuntu sol 10, 9, nothing did it to sol 10 liking, but sol 7 did the trick, dont ask me why [07:52:37] <sahafeez> gentoo linux is nice linux [07:52:47] <LeftWing> It's Arse-bandit Linux. [07:53:12] <sahafeez> and i could get fucking aac support in rhythmbox with OPTS="aac" emerge rhythmbox - which i cannot still make work on solaris ;) [07:53:43] <LeftWing> Heh, rhythmbox. [07:56:00] <sahafeez> fuck, xmms with aac would work. anything that would play the frecking files [07:57:48] <LeftWing> sahafeez: Tried xmms with aacplugin? [07:59:17] <gnu2it2> i bought a sunblade 2000 2x900mhz, 2gb ram, 1x36gb fc-al, should be here early next week, waiting is killing me [07:59:31] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [07:59:42] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [08:00:11] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [08:00:12] <gnu2it2> small in terms of what many here have, but big step from my u5 [08:00:48] <Error_404> why'd you go sparc, btw? [08:01:30] <Error_404> sun seems to be pushing sparc (except T1) as more of an afterthought than anything [08:01:51] <sahafeez> u5 + u10 have completely borked ide interfaces [08:01:54] <Error_404> they're pushing opteron pretty hard though [08:02:15] <gnu2it2> been doing aix for 15 yr, but seems solaris jobs are more abundant, so i better learn [08:03:10] <gnu2it2> need to exceed the 60k mark [08:04:06] <gnu2it2> ex wife and kid.. i have to eat too [08:04:09] <sahafeez> smit! [08:05:08] <gnu2it2> yep,, make a living smitty all day [08:06:53] <sahafeez> i had aix running on a ps/2 9595 for awhile. the install was all floppies. [08:08:17] <gnu2it2> ouch, remember the days when slackware was 100 floppy install :) [08:08:48] <gnu2it2> hehe,, showing age [08:09:54] <Error_404> somewhere i still have a box of slackware 3.1 floppies [08:09:56] <sahafeez> ha, slackware 11 just came out. default kernel is 2.4 [08:10:27] <gnu2it2> they have lost any edge [08:11:20] <sahafeez> i run on my work pbx. that is about it. [08:11:44] <gnu2it2> ubuntu, fast and easy,, seems to like my hardware as far as desktop, have not played there server side yet [08:12:32] <gnu2it2> but ubuntu does not pay any bills for me [08:13:34] <Teltariat> sahafeez: Concerning your quote: "computers are boring now. no fun. no hacking like in the past. i really hate them. just not cool anymore" : I kinda agree, but I guess the thing is just finding the niche in modern computing that makes you happy. The domain covered by modern computing is so fricking HUGE to begin with anyway. [08:14:31] <sahafeez> hum, unless you want to write your own os, or gui i do not see it. and i think i was leaning more towards hardware. [08:14:44] <sahafeez> i mean how many disk dirver were there for a cbm [08:14:47] <Teltariat> oh, k. [08:14:49] <sahafeez> and machines? [08:15:50] <Error_404> there are still interesting hardware neiches [08:16:09] <gnu2it2> assorted clustering, LPAR, XEN, I would love to master all that on many platforms [08:16:13] <sahafeez> or just look at the games. ultma series? u4 was the hieght of game play. the graphic sucked. but the story and the play was deep. after that... [08:16:28] <FireflyST> There aren't tons of different hardware platforms like there used to be [08:16:31] <sahafeez> nothing new there. there is faq for it [08:16:58] <Error_404> FireflyST: no, but look at storage for example [08:17:01] <Error_404> or clusters [08:17:25] <Error_404> or any other number of things you can have exclusive domain in a room of geeks over [08:17:42] <LeftWing> sahafeez: There are plenty of novel and interesting computer games that aren't part of the Ultima series. =P [08:17:55] <sahafeez> importing 34k mp3s into itunes on a g3/600 with the new itunes that wants to find the album art and gapless playback is now on its 24 hour [08:18:09] <sahafeez> LeftWing, it was an example [08:18:16] <gnu2it2> and thin clients seem to be coming back in school environments [08:18:27] <sahafeez> when you did not have the power for the graphics and wow you had to have story and game play [08:18:48] <sahafeez> thank god. i still do not know why people at work need systems with harddrives [08:19:03] * FireflyST points to Sierra's space quest series :) [08:19:19] * LeftWing was always fond of Monkey Island. [08:19:34] <gnu2it2> thin with USB , you can download your homework to a usb flash [08:19:35] * FireflyST digs Monkey island also [08:19:51] * LeftWing points gnu2it2 in the direction of the Sun Ray platform. [08:19:52] <Error_404> FireflyST: i was always a fan of quest for glory [08:19:59] <LeftWing> Fight the good fight, more Sun Rays, I say. =) [08:20:07] <Error_404> sunray server is "free" [08:20:18] <Error_404> in as far as you can download it from sun, but you're not allowed to use it [08:20:18] <sahafeez> heck, Civ was the next to fall up until 4 game play was the king each time. 4 was about the flash and game play suffered [08:20:39] <gnu2it2> Monkey Island ? [08:20:49] <LeftWing> Actually I thought Civ 4 had better gameplay than Civ 3. [08:21:04] <LeftWing> And Civ 2 was incredibly unbalanced once you got as far as Alpine troops. [08:21:20] <FireflyST> gnu2it2: go to http://www.mixnmojo.com for monkey isand info [08:21:55] <LeftWing> Error_404: Actually I believe you can use it, you just can't get support. [08:22:36] <sahafeez> if i had the $$$ to start my startup today it would be netbooted imacs on each desktop [08:22:52] <LeftWing> lmao [08:22:56] <LeftWing> What an interesting choice. [08:22:59] <sahafeez> thumper for storage and opebsd boxes for firewall/routers [08:23:13] <LeftWing> As if not Sun Rays. =P [08:23:35] <gnu2it2> imacs whith what Os ? [08:23:53] <sahafeez> ah, OS X [08:24:17] <Error_404> can you even netboot OSX? [08:24:24] <LeftWing> Yes. [08:24:25] <sahafeez> yes. [08:24:30] <sahafeez> since always [08:24:34] <Error_404> good to know [08:24:35] <FireflyST> yes you can netboot osx hehe [08:24:48] <sahafeez> steve even did a demo years back of 50 imacs (crts) being netbooted at once [08:24:54] <FireflyST> you could netboot OS9 too [08:25:06] <sahafeez> OS is nextstep for the most part [08:25:27] <gnu2it2> wish i had a imac laptop,, but price is killer on anything worth looking at [08:25:55] <sahafeez> hum. it is the same as dell for the same hardware specs. [08:25:58] <Error_404> gnu2it2: i dunno, i'm thinking my next laptop'll be a macbook [08:27:17] <FireflyST> mac hw quality running solaris, mmmmmmmmm [08:27:23] <sahafeez> it is funny you used to never see macs. now every geek fest it is 9 out of 10 [08:27:23] <gnu2it2> my current job requires me to run windoz xp due to some of the tools/apps, wish they wouls convert [08:27:38] <sahafeez> run it in a vm [08:28:12] <gnu2it2> disk/ram to vmware, my lt wont do it [08:28:46] <gnu2it2> 20gb, 512 ram. sux [08:29:52] <gnu2it2> vm license is 120/yr now ? [08:29:59] <LeftWing> VMware Server is free. [08:30:41] <gnu2it2> hmmm better look at vm again [08:36:05] *** nwf has quit IRC [08:36:12] *** Jiko has quit IRC [08:36:17] *** Jiko has joined #opensolaris [08:39:55] *** ProfMikey has joined #opensolaris [08:46:31] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [08:51:52] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [08:56:32] *** nwf has quit IRC [08:58:28] *** gnu2it2 has quit IRC [08:58:39] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [08:58:44] *** crib3 has joined #opensolaris [09:00:56] <sickness> LeftWing: I'd onli wish there was HOST support for solaris :') [09:05:52] <LeftWing> Mmm. [09:05:53] <LeftWing> Perhaps one day. [09:08:30] <FireflyST> what is HOST support? [09:10:15] *** Gman has quit IRC [09:10:16] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [09:11:02] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [09:11:23] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [09:11:26] <sickness> FireflyST: being able to use vmware-server on solaris [09:11:36] *** crib4 has joined #opensolaris [09:12:07] <FireflyST> OH, yes that would be helpful - sorry, I thought you meant something else. [09:14:24] *** PosixCompliant has joined #opensolaris [09:17:40] *** nwf has quit IRC [09:24:16] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [09:26:31] <sahafeez> help! booted my u80 to install b50 from the dvd. also swapped the hd's. booted, check probe-scsi. sees both disk. installer starts. then when it is looking for the hd to install to it drops out with no disk found. at a term right now and dmesg shows the disk. [09:26:56] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [09:27:11] <sickness> there was a bug like that in b49 IIRC [09:27:18] <sickness> maybe it's on b50 too? check if the installer not finding the disk but is closed :) [09:27:31] <sahafeez> well i installed b49 on this box with no issues. so.. [09:27:37] <sahafeez> very strange [09:27:40] *** crib3 has quit IRC [09:27:49] <sahafeez> how do you restart the install from the terminal? [09:28:22] <LeftWing> Does format show the disk? [09:29:04] <sahafeez> yes [09:29:10] <sahafeez> looking at them now. [09:29:24] <sickness> sahafeez: exit? [09:29:26] <sahafeez> hum, they used to be in a zfs set... [09:29:33] <LeftWing> Did they have EFI labels? [09:30:04] <sahafeez> does not look that way... [09:32:12] <sahafeez> if i exit the "interactive terminal window" will it go back to the install or do i need to reboot [09:32:59] <LeftWing> Rebooting would probably be simplest. [09:32:59] *** windpaw has joined #opensolaris [09:33:24] <windpaw> hiya :) It should be possible for dtlogin to query a Linux system via XDMCP, right? I mean, if gdm is configured to accept remote connections 'n all that [09:33:33] <windpaw> At the moment its not working for me :/ [09:33:50] <sahafeez> yes. [09:34:00] <sahafeez> there is something you need to do/install on the linux side. [09:34:11] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [09:34:30] <windpaw> sahafeez: Oh? [09:34:51] <sahafeez> i just do not remember what. sorry. not much help [09:35:06] <windpaw> I've provided the hostname to the 'Rmote [09:35:08] <windpaw> erk [09:35:39] <sahafeez> it was some switch on the startup of X [09:35:41] <windpaw> I've provided the hostname to the 'Remote Login' part, under menus :) It doesn't object, and X.org fires up - but all I get is a grey background the the 'X' cursor, no display [09:36:39] <LeftWing> Any firewalls configured on the dtlogin box? [09:37:01] <windpaw> LeftWing: the box I'm trying to XDMCP to is Linux, and no. [09:37:09] <sahafeez> did you go thru this - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/procedure.html#REMOTE [09:37:21] <sahafeez> sorry this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ [09:37:24] <windpaw> sahafeez: Yes, I'm very familiar with remote login. It just doesn't want to work under Solaris :) [09:37:48] <sahafeez> ah, ok. well i have not done - solaris to linux, just apple and linux to solaris. [09:37:53] <LeftWing> windpaw: I realise it's Linux, but X11 connections will be made back in to the Solaris box. [09:38:08] <windpaw> LeftWing: indeed, and I don't think I have firewall enabled, lemme check! [09:38:47] * LeftWing brb. [09:39:56] <sahafeez> sick of this sun dvd. it is crap. can i just get any old scsi dvd for my u80? [09:40:13] <windpaw> LeftWing: I disabled it temporarily with 'ipf -D' - still no joy [09:42:57] <sahafeez> http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-Sun-Linux-servers-25-total-E450-E250-E420Rs_W0QQitemZ110045880802QQihZ001QQcategoryZ106272QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [09:45:01] <sahafeez> i am scared to ask. i just booted my u80 again - and it dumped to an ok with Trap 3e [09:45:12] <quasi> sahafeez: you going shopping? ;) [09:47:30] <sahafeez> ugh. i just put in ibm drives [09:47:31] <sahafeez> http://www.motherboardpoint.com/t147172-trap-3e.html [09:50:02] <quasi> sahafeez: but maybe his fix is good? [09:52:23] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [09:52:43] <sahafeez> maybe. now if i can just get the dang dvd to boot each time. 4 out of 5 times, i get not bootable, short, etc.. [09:56:44] <sahafeez> how do i undo the stuff in nvram [09:57:34] <quasi> with a very large magnet ;) [09:57:49] <windpaw> rawr this isn't working well :/ [09:59:18] <sahafeez> can you reset obp [10:02:22] <tsoome> sahafeez: set-defaults [10:02:43] <sahafeez> does that clear nvramrc? [10:02:50] <tsoome> for variables, or reset-all command for machine [10:03:21] <tsoome> and docs.sun.com is your very good friend about telling things .... [10:03:29] *** lopa has joined #opensolaris [10:03:34] <tsoome> you can block nvramrc [10:03:37] <sahafeez> reading now. [10:03:48] <tsoome> and sure, you can clear it [10:10:06] *** Gman has quit IRC [10:10:07] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:55] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:10:55] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [10:19:52] <sahafeez> is this patch 111649-04 restricted? i lets me click on download link, and then the license agreement but then goes to the sunsolve front page [10:21:07] <oxygene> pca managed to download it [10:22:21] <sahafeez> pca? [10:22:34] <oxygene> google "patch check advanced" [10:22:59] <sahafeez> cool [10:23:02] <oxygene> it's a tool like smpatch, just perl instead of java, and somewhat more powerful [10:24:20] * delewis considers submitting an RFE to include pca [10:24:21] <delewis> :-) [10:24:34] <delewis> (and another one to drop smpatch and all of its framework) [10:24:36] * delewis ducks [10:25:01] <tsoome> pca? [10:25:08] <delewis> Patch Check Advanced [10:25:18] <tsoome> mkay:D [10:25:18] <delewis> simple little perl script that does everything smpatch does and more [10:25:52] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [10:27:02] <Fish> hello [10:31:10] <sahafeez> nice tool. [10:31:11] <sahafeez> thanks! [10:31:31] <sahafeez> oh, welcome to the 1am hour - again. [10:36:36] *** echelog has joined #opensolaris [10:39:32] *** mnowak has joined #opensolaris [10:43:38] *** paxc has joined #opensolaris [10:47:27] *** bunker has joined #opensolaris [10:49:54] *** Mazon has quit IRC [10:50:49] *** Mazon447 is now known as MAzon [10:50:57] *** lopa has quit IRC [10:52:31] *** loke_ has joined #opensolaris [11:03:28] <sahafeez> question: i am doing some reading. i want to mount an nfs share at boot. simple /etc/vfstab. in looking at the mount options i came over some stuff about /etc/auto_master. some of the reading suggest i use that. does not seem to be a man page. [11:05:55] <DataStream> sahafeez: the /etc/auto_master is for the automounter [11:06:13] <sahafeez> ok, can i have the automounter handle my nfs mount [11:06:43] <DataStream> http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/common/swol-backissues-columns.html#sysadmin [11:06:56] <DataStream> the hal stern stuff is all about the automounter [11:07:09] <DataStream> its very old, but not much has changed apparently [11:07:31] <sahafeez> thanks. reading now.. [11:07:38] <DataStream> no prob [11:08:20] <sahafeez> what is the proper way to do it. automounter or vfstab [11:08:49] *** loke has quit IRC [11:09:20] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [11:09:22] <DataStream> sahafeez: im not really upto spec on the automounter, so cant say about that, but if you simpley want to mount a NFS share at boot /etc/vfstab should serfice [11:09:29] <andersmo> both are "proper". =) [11:10:00] <sahafeez> k. thanks [11:10:09] <andersmo> But automounting _is_ a very common way to automate NFS mounts. =) [11:10:37] * timeless wonders if there's a list of major improvements between snv_49 and snv_50 [11:11:13] * timeless reads the change logs [11:11:34] <sahafeez> let me know if drag and drop is still borked [11:19:26] <sahafeez> ahah! how is one suppose to use a desktop that drag and drop locks the desktop up on!!!!! [11:22:47] <DataStream> copy and paste? [11:23:57] <sahafeez> i should kill you :( [11:24:16] <DataStream> lol [11:24:50] <sahafeez> if i went back to sol10 06/06 i can take it that this would not be an issue [11:24:52] <DataStream> mabey you should back up a reslease, or grab the next release up [11:25:14] <sahafeez> i am on 49 [11:29:22] *** logic has quit IRC [11:34:51] *** deather__ is now known as deather [11:36:04] *** crib4_ has joined #opensolaris [11:41:38] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [11:53:57] *** crib4 has quit IRC [11:55:24] *** claudiush is now known as OSolBOT_ [11:56:07] *** OSolBOT_ is now known as claudiush [11:56:36] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [11:57:10] <sahafeez> can i download 2.6 from anywhere still? i have an ss5 i want to setup as a jumpstart server [11:58:35] <paxc> sahafeez : 2.6 was the worst solaris ever -_- [11:58:56] <sahafeez> what is the last release that will install on a ss5? [11:59:43] <paxc> if I know what you wanna mean woth ss5 I can help you :) ss5 == sparc5? [11:59:57] <sahafeez> yes [12:00:26] <paxc> ultra-5? [12:00:41] <rydis> Solaris 9, then. [12:00:52] <paxc> well I have one ultra-5 with 2.5.1, for me the best solaris until solaris 10 [12:01:09] <rydis> For a SS5, that is. [12:01:33] <paxc> do you need ISO image? [12:01:48] <sahafeez> yes. [12:02:09] <paxc> hum.. let me see where is this file now :) [12:02:10] <sahafeez> what was wrong with 2.6? [12:02:37] <paxc> well I remember install solaris 6 on my ultra-5 [12:03:08] <paxc> so slow.... [12:03:14] <paxc> a preffer solaris 7 [12:03:27] <paxc> solaris 6 I thing was the worst solaris ever [12:03:38] <sahafeez> the ultra 5 was slow because the dma was busted to hell in the hardware. [12:03:50] <sahafeez> u5 and u10 were crap [12:04:02] <boyd> Slow slow boxes... I have one :( [12:04:05] <rydis> I had a lot more issues with pre-2.5 Solaris. [12:04:10] <boyd> (evening all) [12:04:34] <rydis> (But that was as a user, and them being ill-temperedly SysV-ish.) [12:04:54] <sahafeez> you know what - forget it. i found a working link to install from linux. i will just install linux on the ss5 as it will be faster [12:05:10] <sahafeez> u5/u10=crap [12:05:19] <boyd> And so much better supported.... [12:05:24] <paxc> sahafeez = lol [12:05:40] <paxc> solaris 2.5.1 all patches are so much better then all linux :) [12:05:54] <paxc> but its your machine [12:05:55] <sahafeez> we had about 30 of them as desktops. sent them back and got u30s [12:06:08] <rydis> sahafeez: Solaris 9 should install fine on an SS5. Whether or ot it's faster than Linux is hard to say. [12:06:21] <rydis> s/ ot / not [12:06:27] <sahafeez> hum, paxc, think what i will do now that i have read thru the linux does is install openbsd and adapt the docs for bsd. [12:06:56] <paxc> sahafeez : well if fast to you is shows firefox fast well its more fast [12:07:12] <paxc> sahafeez : bsd are much better then linux ideed [12:07:17] <paxc> indeed [12:07:58] <sahafeez> the damn dvd on my u80 will only read the burned dvd 1 out of 10 boots. getting sick of it. just need a jumpstart server... [12:08:12] <sahafeez> or a new scsi dvd that the sun will boot from [12:08:39] <paxc> yesterday I have so much problems with one jumpstart on e10K [12:08:42] <quasi> sahafeez: jumpstart is nicer [12:08:59] <paxc> problem with BOOTPARAMERS [12:10:10] <sahafeez> ? [12:10:32] <sahafeez> no, just these old toshiba dvds do not like burned media [12:22:28] <Auralis> sahafeez: welcome to the club [12:23:05] <sahafeez> found a solution? [12:23:24] <Auralis> CDs or jumpstart [12:23:38] <Auralis> or LU from the dvd diskimage [12:24:01] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [12:24:01] <sahafeez> if i get another scsi dvd drive - not sun then maybe? [12:24:24] <Auralis> the old pioneers are supposed to be good [12:24:37] <Auralis> or try a ide dvdrom with ide2scsi adapter [12:25:17] <sahafeez> hum. idea. i will have to see $$ the adapter is [12:30:42] * Stric has used a nec ide dvd burner and ide2scsi adapter on ultra10 without much trouble.. [12:36:46] *** Byron has left #opensolaris [12:37:14] *** lplatypus has joined #opensolaris [12:41:20] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [12:52:32] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [12:53:02] <_william_> hi all [12:53:05] <paxc> sup [13:00:09] *** Darwin_ has joined #opensolaris [13:00:10] *** windpaw has quit IRC [13:01:43] *** mega has quit IRC [13:04:51] *** beu has joined #opensolaris [13:09:42] *** TMM has joined #opensolaris [13:09:45] <TMM> hi all [13:10:09] <paxc> TMM [13:10:10] <paxc> hi [13:10:30] <TMM> does anyone know of an howto on how to install an opensolaris domU in a linux based xen environment? I'd like to play with it, last time I played with solaris was solaris8 on i386 :) [13:10:36] <TMM> hi paxc [13:10:47] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [13:11:50] *** Darwin has quit IRC [13:13:26] <paxc> TMM : go to #jumpstart lets talk there [13:14:22] <TMM> ok [13:39:02] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [13:45:27] *** paxloling has joined #opensolaris [13:49:18] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:02:20] <myrkraverk> hmm, any ppp/rs-232 expert in here? [14:02:36] *** paxc has quit IRC [14:02:49] <myrkraverk> my ppp link dies on something, and I'd like to be able to guess what ;/ [14:03:09] *** cneira has joined #opensolaris [14:03:54] <myrkraverk> can I drace that? [14:05:55] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [14:09:40] *** cneira_ has joined #opensolaris [14:10:31] <PosixCompliant> mdb question: [14:10:35] <PosixCompliant> I have a panic in kernel and I want to debug it. 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[16:17:33] <elflord> i mean, i currently only use one of the disks but i want to have them mirrored [16:17:54] <Auralis> yes, just don't create a /export/home and set the zpool to use the free slice [16:17:59] *** xiaofeng_ has joined #opensolaris [16:18:20] <elflord> okay thanks... but how can i mirror the rest of the disk? [16:18:45] <Auralis> http://www.gods-inc.de/barbie/solaris/sds_mirroring_howto.txt [16:20:50] <Cybernd> elflord http://blogs.sun.com/tabriz (as skript: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/date/20060425) [16:22:48] <elflord> mhhh okay, thanks ^^ [16:23:27] <elflord> would it be also possible, to have the root and usr filesystems as normal ufs and only the home directories on zfs... and this whole thing mirrored? [16:24:06] <Auralis> yes [16:24:16] *** axisys has quit IRC [16:24:23] <Auralis> you mirror the ufs with svm and created a zpool mirror for the rest [16:25:44] <elflord> so this means that svm only acts on the filesystems i tell him but not on the complete disk, right? [16:25:52] <Auralis> right [16:26:05] <elflord> cool, thank you :) [16:27:25] *** xiaofeng_ is now known as jteo_ [16:31:51] *** jteo has quit IRC [16:33:42] *** logic has joined #opensolaris [16:41:06] *** LordKing has quit IRC [16:45:02] *** jteo_ is now known as jteo [16:48:35] *** gm152 has quit IRC [16:57:25] *** jlc has joined #opensolaris [17:11:42] *** salamanders has quit IRC [17:14:06] *** elflord has quit IRC [17:20:55] *** [tfb] has joined #opensolaris [17:21:35] *** Kernel86|Laptop has quit IRC [17:21:38] *** Kernel86|Laptop has joined #OpenSolaris [17:23:23] *** [tfb] is now known as tfb [17:24:13] <icon> cripes [17:24:34] <icon> what are you folks using these days in your pci-x servers that dont sport integrated graphics? [17:25:12] <Auralis> as god intended the (A)LOM or OBP [17:26:13] <icon> home box - no need for alom [17:26:37] <icon> serial console is used post install - just looking for something that will support dvi/dvo and not suck up 500W of power [17:28:20] *** jlc has quit IRC [17:28:39] <icon> looking for an es1000, but im not so sure those are sold as non integrated [17:30:57] *** Bernyhome has joined #opensolaris [17:31:02] <Bernyhome> hi [17:31:07] <icon> morning [17:31:22] <paxc> hi [17:32:00] <Bernyhome> running sol10 is there a way to remove a device from a zfs pool? opensol has zpool remove which isn't there under sol10 :-\ [17:33:26] <Bernyhome> .oO(i just wanted to add to disks mirrored to an existing pool... now i ended up having both disks as stripes in the pool :-\) [17:35:47] *** dunc has quit IRC [17:36:42] *** Bernyhome has quit IRC [17:36:42] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [17:41:37] *** jfndi has left #opensolaris [18:19:52] *** dclarke has quit IRC [18:20:39] *** _Lucky has joined #opensolaris [18:20:58] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [18:21:57] *** _Lucky has quit IRC [18:26:35] *** Yamaraj has joined #opensolaris [18:27:17] *** loke_ has quit IRC [18:32:20] *** _Lucky has joined #opensolaris [18:33:11] *** _Lucky has left #opensolaris [18:38:15] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [18:41:08] *** alobbs has quit IRC [18:41:20] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [18:43:07] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [18:45:15] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [18:47:39] *** nwf has quit IRC [18:51:34] *** elflord has joined #opensolaris [18:51:51] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris [18:55:20] *** qbit has left #opensolaris [18:55:44] *** polk__ has joined #opensolaris [19:00:59] *** deather has quit IRC [19:03:00] *** bengtf has quit IRC [19:03:54] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [19:04:36] *** elflord has quit IRC [19:14:59] *** Yamaraj has left #opensolaris [19:21:33] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [19:22:51] *** tico26 has quit IRC [19:24:16] *** silly_girl22 has joined #opensolaris [19:24:59] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [19:25:33] *** silly_girl22 has joined #opensolaris [19:26:46] *** carbon60 has joined #opensolaris [19:27:37] *** deather_ is now known as deather [19:32:30] *** Byron has joined #opensolaris [19:36:48] *** mega has joined #opensolaris [19:37:06] *** Cyl has quit IRC [19:37:11] *** _Hunger- is now known as Hunger- [19:37:39] <silly_girl22> someone has one of my keys, RSA i think from seeing a ssh login. what can i do to protect my solaris computer? [19:38:52] <sickness> disable rsa at all [19:38:57] <sickness> I prefer dsa over them [19:39:08] <_william_> remove network cable :-) [19:39:26] <sickness> but if someone already broken, it could have put rootkits or backdoors around, so the better thing to do is rebuild it [19:39:38] *** onlinebacon has joined #opensolaris [19:40:27] *** jteo has quit IRC [19:40:28] *** carbon60 has quit IRC [19:40:30] <onlinebacon> hey, i just downloaded the dvd parts (and built it, currently burning it) for community release, off the sun site, are there any differences between solaris express community release and plain solaris express? [19:40:33] *** gnu2it2 has joined #opensolaris [19:42:00] <jamesd_> onlinebacon, solaris express is usually a little older than the community release [19:42:54] <onlinebacon> cool, thanks jamesd :) [19:45:13] <icon> hrmm [19:45:30] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [19:45:33] <icon> does anyone know offhand when tamarack and hal were added? [19:45:35] <icon> was it b50? [19:45:46] *** opSuse has joined #opensolaris [19:46:11] <sickness> what are tamarack and hal? [19:46:37] <onlinebacon> hal is the hardware abstraction layer [19:46:40] <onlinebacon> ( i think ) [19:46:41] <icon> hal is hardware abstraction layer [19:46:53] <icon> tamarack (sic) is a vold replacement (and then some) [19:48:27] *** nwf has quit IRC [19:51:04] *** gnu2it2 has quit IRC [19:51:22] <onlinebacon> wow the jds is looking pretty slick [19:52:42] <TMM> so... has anyone got another pre-made download for opensolaris as a domU ? I do not have an opensolaris box, but I'd really like to run an opensolaris xen domU, I found a solaris express b44 tarball, but that won't boot :( [19:52:53] <TMM> for amd64 btw :) [19:55:07] *** paxc has quit IRC [19:56:23] *** Cyl has joined #opensolaris [20:00:27] <sickness> I found the project page for tamarack but I can't find the project page for HAL :/ [20:01:49] <onlinebacon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29 [20:02:17] <sickness> tnx [20:02:54] <onlinebacon> np [20:03:48] <onlinebacon> yeuch I hate windows 2000 [20:03:57] <onlinebacon> on it at the minute :( [20:05:30] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris [20:10:33] *** [2]Cyl has joined #opensolaris [20:12:57] <sahafeez> hey, i figured out how to get burned dvd's to work everytime on the old ultra toshiba drives! [20:13:20] <sahafeez> all it takes it a bit of time - a few hours. [20:13:37] <sahafeez> burn them at 1x speed. they boot every time [20:13:54] <sahafeez> Auralis - you hear that? [20:14:30] <sahafeez> btw, does drag and drop on sparc work for those of you on snv_50 [20:15:42] *** onlinebacon has left #opensolaris [20:16:13] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris [20:20:34] *** Cyl has quit IRC [20:20:34] *** [2]Cyl is now known as Cyl [20:24:50] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [20:26:11] *** fik has quit IRC [20:27:21] <axisys> my /dev/log pointing to a *nonexist* /devices/pseudo/log@0:log [20:27:38] <axisys> not sure how that device got lost.. how do i create it [20:27:55] <axisys> on a working system it looks like this [20:27:56] <axisys> crw-r----- 1 root sys 21, 5 Aug 15 17:46 /devices/pseudo/log@0:log [20:28:12] <axisys> how do I create a device like this [20:28:13] *** [1]Cyl has quit IRC [20:28:27] <sahafeez> MAKEDEV script [20:28:35] <sahafeez> in the FAQ i think [20:28:52] <sahafeez> opps. no, wrong window ignore everything [20:28:54] <axisys> sahafeez: i am looking for the damn mkdev like bin or script [20:28:55] <jengelh> by loading the appropriate module [20:29:08] <axisys> jengelh: hmm.. [20:29:13] <sahafeez> thought i was in openbsd! need coffee [20:29:50] <axisys> jengelh: what would be that appropriate module on sol 10 u2? [20:30:04] <axisys> i think i could just make a device no? [20:31:54] <Symmetria> heh [20:31:57] <jmcp> mknod [20:32:05] <Symmetria> why didnt I go solaris years ago [20:32:22] <tsoome> :) [20:32:30] <Symmetria> taking 10 hits a second on my mirror server's webserver [20:32:45] <Symmetria> and its not even hurting [20:32:50] <Symmetria> its hardly noticing the load [20:33:01] <Symmetria> and its pushing heavy load [20:33:06] <Symmetria> as in traffic load [20:33:14] <jengelh> axisys : hm, "log" perhaps? [20:33:31] <jengelh> really, no idea, my sol works fine [20:33:33] <Symmetria> Current Out: 39.6Mbit/second Current In: 172.8Mbit/second [20:35:30] <axisys> jengelh: it is log module [20:35:35] <axisys> jengelh: u r correct [20:36:06] <axisys> jengelh: but i tried to load it using modload .but it says cant load [20:36:15] <jengelh> axisys: then figure out why [20:36:33] <axisys> modinfo | grep log shows it is there on a working system [20:45:09] *** silly_girl22 has joined #opensolaris [20:49:02] <spawrq> silly_girl22 == old fat guy? [20:49:14] <silly_girl22> yep, howd you know? [20:49:22] <silly_girl22> did you see my picture? [20:49:25] <sahafeez> there are no women on the net [20:49:28] <sahafeez> ;) [20:49:43] <Symmetria> sahafeez there are, I've dated some of them! [20:49:44] <spawrq> silly_old-fat-guy- gut feeling. [20:50:06] <sahafeez> i know, so i have i and she was a hot solaris sysadmin ;) [20:50:12] <sahafeez> serously [20:50:15] <sahafeez> but it was a joke [20:50:17] <spawrq> srsly [20:50:29] <spawrq> ok, time for some reading. [20:50:44] * spawrq reads: christian faith and the truth behind 9/11 [20:51:57] <Error_404> heh [20:52:51] <Symmetria> heh if I install a patch cluster [20:52:58] <Symmetria> am I supposed to reboot afterwards [20:52:59] <Symmetria> :p [20:55:01] <dwc-> yes [20:56:33] *** b-rent has joined #opensolaris [21:03:50] <Symmetria> heh [21:03:56] <Symmetria> damn, will have to install this at a later point [21:04:08] <Symmetria> rebooting this box from now on is gonna be a pain [21:06:46] <Symmetria> Oct 29 21:58:13 mirror ssh[21861]: [ID 523743 user.error] libpkcs11: /usr/lib/security/pkcs11_softtoken.so unexpected failure in ELF signature verification. System may have been tampered with. Cannot continue parsing /etc/crypto/pkcs11.conf [21:06:49] <Symmetria> what the hell is that [21:06:54] <Symmetria> and why am I getting thousands and thousands of lines like that [21:06:57] <Symmetria> in my dmesg [21:07:11] <boyd> Morning, all [21:08:01] <richlowe> Hm, I didn't think sig checks were done on /usr/lib/security. [21:08:10] <richlowe> (maybe they're only done if there's a sig there?) [21:08:32] <Symmetria> richlowe any idea how I fix that? [21:08:46] <Symmetria> cause its spamming my dmesg log badly and I know the system aint been compromised [21:08:49] <richlowe> Oh, hm, I guess pkcs* are crypto signed, hadn't noticed that. [21:09:19] <richlowe> and pam_smartcard is signed with the development cert, and fails. [21:09:21] <richlowe> wonder if that's a bug. [21:09:38] <richlowe> Symmetria: I'm not sure what exactly you're seeing, that's what I'm trying to figure out. [21:09:44] <richlowe> what does elfsign verify -v <that file> say? [21:09:58] <boyd> richlowe: The crypto plugins are signed thanks to US export restrictions I believe.... pluggable strong crypto [21:10:29] <Symmetria> bash-3.00# elfsign verify -v /usr/lib/security/pkcs11_softtoken.so [21:10:29] <Symmetria> verify: illegal option -- v [21:10:59] <boyd> not sure when it appeared [21:11:04] <Symmetria> oh there are 2 more errors [21:11:08] <Symmetria> above that line [21:11:09] <Symmetria> Oct 29 21:58:13 mirror ssh[21861]: [ID 530472 user.error] Kerberos mechanism library initialization error: unknown error. [21:11:09] <Symmetria> Oct 29 21:58:13 mirror ssh[21861]: [ID 874347 user.error] libpkcs11: open /var/run/kcfd_door: No such file or directory [21:11:15] <Doc> damn i am the master of the bitch email/letter [21:11:22] <twincest> Symmetria: restart kcfd [21:11:29] <boyd> hehe... morning, Doc [21:11:30] [21:11:38] <Doc> damn spanish keyboard [21:11:51] <boyd> I wondered what that was [21:12:00] <twincest> Symmetria: (assuming you disabled it the other day - kcfd is important) [21:12:01] <Doc> symmetria: search Sunsolve, there's a sunalert for it [21:12:14] <richlowe> Doc: know anything about an s10 patch shipping an audit_record.h including tsol bits? [21:12:18] <richlowe> in error, obviously. [21:12:24] * richlowe forgot how was seeing that/asking about it, though. [21:12:27] <richlowe> s/how/who/ [21:12:32] <twincest> rich: libtsol was backported, wouldn't that header be expected? [21:12:48] <richlowe> twincest: to pre 10u3? [21:12:57] <Symmetria> twincest see msg [21:13:04] <twincest> yes, i saw it listed for 3/05. didn't install it yet. [21:13:05] <richlowe> twincest: the guy asking for it sure wasn't expecting it, he didn't have the tsol headers :) [21:13:15] <twincest> i forget the patch # but it's called "libtsol patch" [21:13:19] <twincest> available to non-contract customers [21:14:12] <Doc> rich: i've been in south america for nearing a month - sorta keeps me out of the loop a bit :) [21:14:21] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [21:15:07] <boyd> How's it going over there, Doc [21:15:09] <boyd> ? [21:15:51] * boyd is reading the b51 changelog... heh. Joliet took a while, the bug referenced was against 2.5.1 [21:16:24] <Doc> excellent. heading off to NYC tonight [21:16:37] <delewis> boyd: ISO9660:1999 took that long, too [21:16:46] <delewis> and I think it came down to changing *one* definition [21:16:47] <boyd> Oh ywah... for halloween [21:16:50] <boyd> delewis: :) [21:16:59] <Doc> yup [21:17:08] <delewis> #define NAME_LEN 64 -> #define NAME_LEN 128 [21:17:08] <Symmetria> ugh trying to access that stuff on sunsolve tells me I need a support contract [21:17:08] <delewis> :-) [21:17:14] <Doc> http://www.docbert.org/flickr for Peru [21:17:15] <Symmetria> which I havent signed up for yet and cant till tomorrow :( [21:17:26] <Symmetria> so if anyone can see what it says for me and let me know that would be helpful [21:17:57] *** Gman has quit IRC [21:18:43] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [21:19:00] <Gman> hey hey hey [21:19:33] <boyd> Morning, Gman [21:20:45] *** mega has quit IRC [21:28:23] <_william_> evening Gman [21:30:54] *** Fish has quit IRC [21:31:05] <axisys> ok so how do I get the damn log module installed.. i think some patch upgrade killed it on sol10u2 [21:31:46] <tsoome> what log module? [21:32:21] <axisys> tsoome: modinfo | grep log [21:32:30] <axisys> i am missing the streams log driver [21:32:54] <tsoome> mkay, so whats the error? [21:32:57] <richlowe> Gman: mornin' [21:36:04] <Symmetria> heh [21:36:06] <Symmetria> fixed that error [21:36:14] <Symmetria> I had symlinked /var to somewhere else [21:36:19] <Symmetria> to solve a disk space problem with growing logs [21:36:24] <Symmetria> and errr it really didnt like me doing that [21:41:10] *** Ireul has joined #opensolaris [21:44:09] *** karrotx has quit IRC [21:44:27] *** Ireul has left #opensolaris [21:46:20] *** jamesd_ is now known as jamesd [21:46:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [21:47:46] *** opSuse has quit IRC [21:48:31] *** Cybernd has quit IRC [21:50:57] <axisys> anyone have any suggestion how to restore /devices/pseudo/log@0:log [21:51:00] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [21:51:09] <axisys> i tried to reinstall SUNWcsd and boot -r [21:51:12] <axisys> still no go [21:51:27] *** tfb has quit IRC [21:51:36] <tsoome> axisys: whats the error? [21:51:45] <axisys> i tried mknod and it says read-only file system [21:52:03] <tsoome> thats not linux [21:52:04] *** karrotx has quit IRC [21:52:06] <axisys> tsoome: w/o /devices/pseudo/log@0:log (/dev/log) syslogd wont start [21:52:29] <tsoome> well thats the result [21:52:37] <axisys> tsoome: u can run mknod on solaris as well to create a chroot environment.. that is besides the issue [21:53:15] <tsoome> yes you can, but this means your module is already loaded into kernel, ot at least it's possible to load it [21:53:44] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [21:53:51] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [21:53:53] <axisys> tsoome: tried modload log , says cant load [21:54:04] *** Gman has quit IRC [21:54:11] <tsoome> and nothing more? [21:54:11] *** smoco has joined #opensolaris [21:54:45] *** LordKing has quit IRC [21:56:21] *** onlinebacon has joined #opensolaris [21:56:30] <onlinebacon> hey, does anyone here use martux? [21:57:46] <axisys> tsoome: can't load module: No such file or directory [21:57:57] <tsoome> hm [21:58:29] <tsoome> in my machine its: [21:58:35] <axisys> tsoome: i checked the /kernel/drv/log.conf .. looks good there [21:58:37] *** elflord has joined #opensolaris [21:58:42] <tsoome> [117] tsoome@kass:~> find /kernel -name log [21:58:42] <tsoome> /kernel/drv/amd64/log [21:58:42] <tsoome> /kernel/drv/log [21:58:43] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [21:58:59] <elflord> heay [21:59:02] <elflord> argh [21:59:05] <elflord> heya i meant *g* [21:59:37] <tsoome> so if the file is there, /kernel/drv is somehow missing from kernel module path [21:59:46] <tsoome> you can try boot -va [21:59:53] <elflord> is it possible to boot opensolaris from a usb dvd drive? [21:59:56] <tsoome> and check the verbose messages [22:00:04] <onlinebacon> How can I use ZFS as my file system, using Solaris Express Community edition, from the install? [22:00:14] <jamesd> you can't [22:00:22] *** cneira_ has joined #opensolaris [22:00:23] <onlinebacon> oh ok [22:00:35] <jamesd> and zfs has to be hacked to make it a boot file system. [22:00:40] <axisys> tsoome: i do have a /kernel/drv/log file [22:00:52] <onlinebacon> ahh, ok [22:02:07] <axisys> jamesd: any idea when zfs will be available as an option during install? [22:02:16] <richlowe> You have to jump hoops to use zfs as /, you can't boot from it in general currently. [22:02:25] <axisys> jamesd: not implying u should know.. just curious [22:02:26] <jamesd> next year... maybe update 4 [22:02:35] <onlinebacon> ooh ok [22:02:37] <richlowe> so as far as jamesd's "have to hack it", it's not just complex hoop jumping. [22:02:41] <richlowe> it's teaching grub how to understand ZFS. [22:02:46] <richlowe> completely. :) [22:02:50] <onlinebacon> :) [22:02:54] <richlowe> (at least until the zfsboot project appears...) [22:02:57] <axisys> richlowe: how about for sparc? [22:03:20] <axisys> axisys: i am using zfs boot file system for x86 on my ultra 20 [22:03:40] <axisys> (talking to myself..heh) [22:03:55] <axisys> richlowe: that was to u :-) [22:04:11] <tsoome> there are some samples how to make zfs for / [22:04:23] <tsoome> but it's hack [22:05:24] <oxygene> axisys: on sparc, you must either teach obp ELF and zfs (via interposition), or teach the secondary loader (of solaris) zfs [22:05:29] <richlowe> ok. [22:05:35] <richlowe> There is a difference between having zfs be / [22:05:38] <richlowe> and from booting from it. [22:05:42] <richlowe> the former is possible, with the hack. [22:05:47] <richlowe> which is using a UFS filesystem to boot from. [22:06:14] <richlowe> oxygene: I believe the plan is grub. [22:06:21] <richlowe> oxygene: but i'm still hoping I totally misunderstood that. :) [22:06:26] <oxygene> richlowe: please not. [22:06:30] <oxygene> btw, olpc will have openfirmware on x86 [22:06:46] <richlowe> Hey, don't tell me, I'm just remembering prior conversation :) [22:06:47] <oxygene> (mitch bradleys, ie. sun's openboot sibling) [22:07:00] <richlowe> oxygene: did you see the sun4v bits of OBP were in the opensparc stuff now? [22:07:07] <oxygene> richlowe: yes [22:07:08] <axisys> richlowe: agreed.. i followed this article http://solaristhings.blogspot.com/2006/06/zfs-root-on-solaris-part-3.html [22:07:13] * richlowe is kinda sad the 4u platform stuff isn't there, but it's a decent and interesting chunk of stuff. [22:07:43] <axisys> tsoome: i am using the above link .. just posted [22:08:16] <axisys> so sparc will use grub in the future? [22:08:17] <oxygene> richlowe: firmworks might be a better target for an OF bootloader for x86.. I'm still hoping for that kind of a migration instead of grub to non-x86 [22:08:48] <oxygene> (and yes, I'd even write a zfs interpose package, if that would help turn around that decision to OF's favor) [22:11:32] *** cneira_ has quit IRC [22:12:04] <axisys> sorry to repeat my question but anyone would know how to restore /devices/pseudo/log@0:log [22:12:14] *** onlinebacon has left #opensolaris [22:12:19] <axisys> could not find anything in google or google groups [22:12:39] <axisys> comp.unix.solaris that is [22:13:21] *** cneira has quit IRC [22:15:24] <tsoome> axisys: and once again, it will be created once kernel will manage to load log module;) [22:16:20] <richlowe> oxygene: I had hoped that AMD would grow a pair, and start moving away from the more legacy aspects of x86. [22:16:25] <richlowe> oxygene: doesn't seem to be happening though. [22:16:33] <oxygene> richlowe: they look into EFI these days [22:16:52] <oxygene> richlowe: some people there were interested in OF for a while, but it probably seemed too risky back then [22:17:18] <tsoome> axisys: you did an upgrade or installed patches before you did loose it? [22:17:23] *** gnu2it2 has joined #opensolaris [22:17:30] <Error_404> it might've been a smart move (for a couple reasons) to put athlon on bios & opteron on OF/EFI/something [22:17:41] <axisys> tsoome: i use update manager [22:17:50] <axisys> tsoome: one of those probably killed it [22:17:51] <tsoome> so you did install patches [22:17:58] <richlowe> Error_404: the issue there is needing the backward compat to bootstrap amd64 as an arch. [22:18:01] <axisys> tsoome: yes.. tons of them [22:18:07] <richlowe> you can't say "Here's a new machine, it breaks everything" (look at intel, for that...) [22:18:12] <tsoome> so obviously log part was not updated [22:18:20] <axisys> tsoome: the update manager tells u hey i got new patches for u [22:18:39] <richlowe> Or even worse, follow DEC's lead, and ship 3 different firmware images, depending on target OS. [22:18:40] <tsoome> and therefore there is no help from installing new clean package from install media [22:18:49] <axisys> tsoome: and u install the ones that are security and recommned mostly [22:19:00] <oxygene> Error_404: bios can be implemented inside a vm86 instance relatively easy.. that is, OF or EFI for the "real stuff", vm86 for legacy.. that's how windows boot from linuxbios works, for example [22:19:15] <axisys> tsoome: i am still hoping there is a light end of this tunnel.. (conversation) :-) [22:19:21] <tsoome> do smpatch analyze and check if there are still some left uninstalled [22:19:43] <axisys> tsoome: assuming that magic patch will fix it.. correct? [22:19:46] <gnu2it2> what should the md5sum for nv-b50 dvd be ? [22:19:47] <tsoome> or seeks sunsolve to find out most recent patch for log module [22:19:50] <oxygene> hmm.. had some really ugly bugs in my gnustep installers, but they should be fixed now :) [22:19:53] <richlowe> gnu2it2: x86 or sparc? [22:19:56] <Error_404> i still find the most unfortunate move by a tech company in recent years to be apple's move to junk86 [22:19:59] <gnu2it2> sparc [22:20:05] <axisys> tsoome: now u r talking.. good idea [22:20:18] <richlowe> this is going to take a little while... :) [22:20:27] <oxygene> cute, netbeans5.5 is released [22:20:35] <tsoome> I thougth you have tryed this already;) [22:20:54] <axisys> tsoome: i reinstalled SUNWcsd.. [22:21:02] <tsoome> then I remembered you talked about s10u2;) [22:21:05] <axisys> tsoome: but did not search patches [22:21:22] <axisys> tsoome: i am using sol10u2 on ultra 20 [22:21:31] <tsoome> well since obviously some part of the kernel is new.... [22:22:38] <richlowe> gnu2it2: 767dc544ea426e8c1c14579aac366443 [22:22:49] <gnu2it2> thanks [22:23:12] <axisys> tsoome: dont see anything there [22:23:18] <axisys> sunsolve that is [22:23:29] <tsoome> just a second [22:23:34] <axisys> and yes i logged in w/ my sun contract a/c [22:24:50] <tsoome> 118855-19 contains /kernel/drv/log [22:25:20] <tsoome> so, reinstall it... [22:26:55] <axisys> tsoome: will try now.. how did u search for it? thxn for making me look stupid [22:27:04] <axisys> tsoome: i could not find shit [22:27:27] <tsoome> grep drv/log /var/sadm/patch/*/R* ;) [22:27:50] <tsoome> I happen to have one 4100 with s10u2:) [22:28:13] <axisys> tsoome: heh [22:28:17] <tsoome> and yes, sunsolve search sucks;) [22:28:17] <axisys> tsoome: smart [22:28:33] <axisys> tsoome: glad .. i am not that stupid .. heh [22:29:01] <tsoome> relax, it happens;) [22:30:30] <axisys> tsoome: man i love pcs [22:30:34] <axisys> pca that is [22:30:40] <axisys> lot lot better than smpatch [22:30:46] <tsoome> ? [22:30:52] <delewis> and uses 1% of the memory that smpatch does. [22:31:14] <axisys> delewis: thanx for introducing it to me last time [22:31:31] <axisys> tsoome: http://www.par.univie.ac.at/solaris/pca [22:34:16] *** smoco has left #opensolaris [22:34:34] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [22:36:31] <tsoome> well, I guess even pca will depend on patchadd to add the patch;) [22:37:37] *** jmcp_ has joined #opensolaris [22:37:38] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [22:37:41] <axisys> tsoome: that is why it is good.. it does not reinvent the tool but save u from java delay [22:37:51] <axisys> java hog [22:38:20] *** OnkelSchorsch has joined #opensolaris [22:45:09] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [22:47:00] <axisys> once i downloaded the patch how do I force re-install it ? [22:47:15] <tsoome> patchrm and then patchadd [22:47:21] *** elflord has quit IRC [22:47:26] <axisys> tsoome: k [22:47:34] <axisys> tsoome: wish me lcuck [22:47:35] <tsoome> I hope thats the safest... [22:47:38] <axisys> luck* [22:47:52] *** elflord has joined #opensolaris [22:47:53] <tsoome> it may be not installed of course [22:48:19] <tsoome> and btw, there should be log file in /var/sadm/patch ... [22:48:34] *** fik has joined #opensolaris [22:48:56] *** _eXtreme4 has joined #opensolaris [22:49:42] *** OnkelSchorsch has quit IRC [22:49:53] *** _eXtreme4 has quit IRC [22:51:37] <axisys> tsoome: it failed to remove like this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bYCniJ24.html [22:52:36] *** koolniczka has quit IRC [22:52:46] <tsoome> some mixup with zones... [22:53:57] <axisys> tsoome: what is error code 7 means? [22:54:54] *** bunker has quit IRC [22:54:56] <syndrome71> depends on what gave it to you... [22:55:05] <syndrome71> from /usr/include/sys/errno.h: [22:55:09] <syndrome71> #define ENXIO 6 /* No such device or address */ [22:55:10] <syndrome71> #define E2BIG 7 /* Arg list too long */ [22:55:10] <syndrome71> #define ENOEXEC 8 /* Exec format error */ [22:55:46] *** Somethingelse has quit IRC [22:55:52] <syndrome71> But - That's only valid if that is the error the utility was returning. If it has it's own internal error meanings, then clearly, that won't help... :) [22:56:09] <axisys> syndrome71: i was just gonna say that [22:56:29] <axisys> patchrm gave status 7 .. may not be system error code [22:56:32] <syndrome71> So - What gave you an error code 7? [22:56:33] <tsoome> you can try patchrm -G [22:56:41] <tsoome> but read man patchrm before [22:58:17] <axisys> tsoome: it seems reinstalling after remove went successfully.. but the the device/psesudo/log@ still missing [22:58:43] <tsoome> reboot it, you have new kernel;) [22:59:38] <axisys> ok [22:59:45] <axisys> tsoome: boot -r ? [22:59:46] <jmcp_> the patchrm manpage doesn't indicate that it has any special / overloaded meaning for the exit codes, so it *should* therefore be using /usr/include/sys/errno.h definitions [23:00:09] <axisys> jmcp_: hmm [23:00:37] <tsoome> patchrm used to be ksh script and error cores were described in it, but today it's binary and noone bothered to update manual [23:00:44] <boyd> Patchadd uses it's own codes... rm could too [23:01:02] <boyd> tsoome: yeah, that's annoying... same with add [23:01:02] <tsoome> sad to see solaris is going the linux path..... [23:02:54] <jmcp_> tsoome: in what way? [23:03:38] <tsoome> manuals are becoming not really useful.... [23:03:51] <jmcp_> ?? [23:04:00] <richlowe> Eh? [23:04:01] <jmcp_> I must have missed some context [23:04:17] <richlowe> manual *pages*, or docs.sun.com manuals? [23:04:36] <tsoome> well, if patchrm will give error core 7 and you cant get the meaning for that (other than it's error) [23:04:48] <tsoome> s/core/code/ [23:05:38] <jmcp_> tsoome: one would assume that you require absolutely every single error code to be fully documented, rather than giving, eg, the most commonly observed error conditions [23:06:05] <jmcp_> and leaving the rest to the user's inquisitiveness [23:06:14] <axisys> tsoome: rebooted.. still missing the pseudo device log [23:06:39] <sahafeez> well just installed b50. drag and drop still locks the desktop up [23:06:40] <axisys> tsoome: man time to convert sol 10 u2 to solaris express on this u 20 [23:06:55] <tsoome> :D [23:07:14] <axisys> tsoome: unless u or someone in this chnl have other suggestion [23:07:45] <tsoome> well there may be some other patch is broken [23:07:51] <tsoome> or not installed [23:08:28] <axisys> is there log somewhere or not installed patches? [23:08:34] <axisys> s/or/of/ [23:08:58] <tsoome> for installed - /var/sadm/patch/*/log [23:09:19] <jmcp_> axisys: do you have a /kernel/drv/log.conf file? [23:09:55] <axisys> jmcp_: yep i do as a matter of fact and it look normal [23:10:12] <axisys> name="log" parent="pseudo" instance=0; [23:10:15] <jmcp_> name="log" parent="pseudo" instance=0; [23:10:20] <jmcp_> yeah, that matches [23:10:21] <axisys> jmcp_: :-) [23:10:22] <tsoome> axisys: you can try to download latest recommended kit and install it - then all important ones should be added [23:10:24] <jmcp_> and the log driver is loaded? [23:10:33] <axisys> jmcp_: nawp [23:10:53] <axisys> jmcp_: that is what i have been trying to achieve by modload log [23:11:12] <jmcp_> have you tried devfsadm -i log ? [23:11:15] <axisys> it fails like this, can't load module: No such file or directory [23:11:20] <axisys> jmcp_: nawp [23:11:35] <jmcp_> give it a go [23:11:37] <axisys> devfsadm: driver failed to attach: log [23:11:44] <jmcp_> that could be a problem then [23:11:51] <axisys> jmcp_: no kidn' :P [23:12:06] <jmcp_> is there an entry for log in /etc/name_to_major ? [23:12:24] <axisys> log 21 [23:12:44] <jmcp_> hm [23:13:04] <jmcp_> is your SUNWckr package installed properly? [23:13:35] <jmcp_> pkgchk -lnv SUNWckr [23:14:20] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:15:21] <boyd> "Red Hat's stock value plummeted 24 percent following the announcement of Oracle's plans to provide support services for Red Hat consumers at extremely competitive prices." Ouch! [23:17:05] <jmcp_> boyd: el reg's take on it is quite funny [23:17:34] * boyd looks. 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[23:21:27] <sahafeez> <=- installing vermillion 52 over a new install of sxcr 50 with hopes of drag+drop not locking the desktop, throwing salt over my shoulder, knocking on wood, saying a hail mary..etc [23:21:43] <jmcp_> axisys: not seeing ksyms either. badness. ummmmm [23:21:50] <axisys> may be reinstall recommended pkg like tsoome suggested?! [23:21:58] <jmcp_> axisys: yes [23:22:08] <axisys> aight [23:22:18] <jmcp_> away for a bit [23:22:21] <boyd> RedHat: "Compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux can only be verified by Red Hat's internal test suite." That's advertising for Solaris right there [23:23:14] <axisys> is there a tool to install recommened pkg or just download the tarball and run the script? [23:23:31] *** Sieghard has joined #opensolaris [23:23:37] <tsoome> the included install_cluster script should do [23:23:53] <Symmetria> bash-3.00# netstat -na |grep 196.21.20.18 |wc -l [23:23:53] <Symmetria> 417 [23:23:54] <Symmetria> wheeeeee [23:23:59] <Symmetria> mozilla.mirror.ac.za [23:24:08] <Symmetria> getting smacked hard since it went into mozilla rotation [23:24:38] <boyd> Symmetria: good timing for that too :) [23:24:54] <axisys> tsoome: aight [23:25:03] <Symmetria> heh boyd its pushing some serious traffic as well [23:25:07] <Symmetria> Im about to ipv6 enable it :p [23:25:46] *** nwf has quit IRC [23:25:46] <Stric> we didn't see much traffic due to moz release.. ubuntu capped our 2Gbit for 12h or so though.. [23:25:49] <Symmetria> heh will probably turn up the ipv6 tomorrow morning [23:26:02] <Symmetria> stric you also on mozilla rotation? [23:26:13] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:26:18] <Symmetria> or are you just running an mirror without being on official download rotation? [23:26:19] <Stric> yeah.. [23:26:22] <Stric> official [23:26:28] <Symmetria> Im pushing 40 or 50mbit/second at th emoment [23:26:29] <Symmetria> with mozilla [23:26:34] *** nwf has quit IRC [23:26:45] <Symmetria> heh ubuntu I dont carry officially yet [23:26:47] <Stric> oh.. you mean "serious traffic" at that level :P [23:26:52] <Symmetria> I have the resources but havent got around to it [23:27:06] <Symmetria> stric *shrug* for an african server [23:27:09] <Symmetria> thats pretty heavy [23:27:12] <Stric> ok, we got like 300Mbit increase or so around mozilla release.. but that was way below expected.. [23:27:24] <jengelh> Maybe someone has an idea. I just started the serial console program since a host does not respond on ping. Serial con works and brings me to OBP, but I'd like to know why it stopped at the OBP. Is there a way to view a log? [23:27:59] <Symmetria> stric where ar eyou from? (which mirror do you run?) [23:28:04] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [23:28:07] <boyd> jengelh: Is there any chance it received a break on the console? [23:28:13] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:28:14] <jengelh> that's likely, yes [23:28:22] <twincest> sparcs drop to OBP on break [23:28:23] <boyd> e.g. power-cycle on what was attached [23:28:34] <Stric> Symmetria: Sweden.. se.releases.ubuntu.com etc.. http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/index.html.en [23:28:35] <jengelh> yeah [23:28:39] <jengelh> seems likely [23:28:42] <Symmetria> aahhh yeah [23:28:45] <boyd> That's my bet then [23:28:54] <Symmetria> I think I occasionally sync ubuntu from you guys [23:28:58] <jengelh> yeah all boxes were rebooted because of a UPS exchange [23:29:01] <boyd> jengelh: You *may* be able to type "go" and get it back [23:29:04] <Symmetria> hrm no [23:29:08] <Symmetria> Im synching from archive.ubuntu [23:29:13] <Stric> we're archive too [23:29:14] <boyd> Otherwise "sync" and look at the panic message [23:29:19] <Symmetria> I did the initial download from www.acc.umu [23:29:22] <Symmetria> of everything [23:29:27] <Stric> :) [23:29:59] <boyd> jengelh: You might then like to read kbd(1) [23:30:05] <Symmetria> you're connected to geant arent you? [23:30:48] <Stric> Symmetria: yeah [23:31:08] <Symmetria> yeah most of my mirror sources are on geant [23:31:19] <Symmetria> it works best :) <3 geant network [23:31:26] <Stric> oh well.. this isn't very opensolarisy.. and I'm off.. bye ;) [23:31:39] <Symmetria> heh I mirroring sunfreeware next [23:31:40] <Symmetria> :) [23:32:44] *** neoxed has quit IRC [23:33:13] <boyd> Symmetria: blastwave [23:33:30] <Error_404> yeah, blastwave needs more mirrors [23:33:32] <Symmetria> boyd http://mirror.ac.za :) [23:33:37] <Symmetria> please note blastwave on there :p [23:33:42] <boyd> Ah. [23:33:43] <boyd> :) [23:33:44] <Symmetria> I've already dropped them a note saying Im carrying it [23:33:50] <Symmetria> gtar -cvf - ftp.cdc.noaa.gov/ | gtar -C /mirror/iscsi-san-2 -xpf - [23:33:55] <Symmetria> ^^^ that is gonna take a *LONG* time [23:34:11] <Error_404> btw, no offense, but that web design is terrible [23:34:15] <Symmetria> (transferring from san-1 to san-2 to make space on san-1 for more opensource stuff, san-1 = full, 3.8 terabytes) [23:34:20] *** paxc has joined #opensolaris [23:34:24] <Symmetria> Error_404 *shrug* I didnt design it [23:34:33] <Symmetria> I jsut wrote the basic php code behind it and maintain the mirrors [23:34:34] <boyd> Symmetria: star is almost certainly going to be faster for that [23:34:48] <Symmetria> boyd star? [23:35:01] <boyd> me summons schily [23:35:02] <twincest> oh boyd, now you've done it [23:35:11] <boyd> twincest: :) [23:36:04] <Symmetria> heh ftp.cdc.noaa.gov mirror = 580gigs [23:36:12] <boyd> Symmetria: http://freshmeat.net/projects/star/ [23:36:17] <Symmetria> hopefully will be finishing moving it over by the time I wake up [23:36:49] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris [23:37:02] <Symmetria> boyd u think there will be that big a speed difference considering that these are really really large files and not that many of them? [23:37:06] <Symmetria> (like 400meg a file) [23:37:24] <boyd> Symmetria: well, star will use a fifo, so it reads and writes in parallel [23:37:31] <Symmetria> woulda thought the disk i/o woulda capped first [23:37:39] <boyd> Maybe [23:38:38] <Symmetria> I actually need to buy another 3 SAN's [23:38:39] <boyd> my exp is that I get better streaming with it... esp with -no-fsync [23:38:47] <Symmetria> then I can run a single zpool of 3 san's combined [23:38:52] <Symmetria> and mirror it onto another zpool of 3 san's [23:39:02] <Symmetria> so if I loose one I dont loose everything [23:39:03] <Error_404> cdc.noaa = center for disease control? [23:39:15] <Symmetria> though the san's are already raid 6 [23:39:31] <Symmetria> error no, cdc.noaa deals with crap like pressure sets and stuff [23:39:34] <Symmetria> earth science data [23:39:38] <Error_404> ahh [23:40:10] <Symmetria> heh, I got a couple more large mirrors i need to bring online shortly [23:40:17] *** Tpenta has joined #opensolaris [23:40:18] <Symmetria> the astronomy mirrors are gonna be insanely large [23:40:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [23:41:58] <richlowe> mornin' Tpenta [23:42:25] <boyd> Hi Tpenta [23:43:25] <Tpenta> morning folks [23:46:00] <Error_404> Symmetria: run an astrology mirror [23:46:36] <Error_404> just find novel ways to interpret /dev/urandom [23:49:29] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [23:49:58] <Symmetria> hrm, drive temps of 36 degrees centigrade in a SAN [23:50:03] <Symmetria> thats not 2 bad is it? [23:50:06] <gisburn> Ok, where is the pe'tak who runs the mast'trok-xx at @@!!!-opensolaris dot org webserver ? [23:50:23] *** elflord has quit IRC [23:50:51] * gisburn growls [23:52:15] * gisburn wants to cut some heads... Heghlu'meh QaQ Jajvam! [23:52:31] <Error_404> wtf? [23:53:03] <Error_404> are you having a seizure? [23:53:41] <gisburn> Error_404: jIyajbe' ... [23:54:30] *** Cyl has quit IRC [23:54:30] *** [1]Cyl is now known as Cyl [23:54:50] <gisburn> (hint: use google or a klingon--->english translator of your choce) [23:55:34] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [23:56:40] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [23:56:58] <Gman> gisburn, do you ever get people having problems taking you seriously? [23:57:55] <twincest> we are solaris of gisburn, ksh93 will be integrated [23:58:25] <gisburn> Gman: sorry, I am just venting my frustration about http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/ksh93-integration/ ... [23:58:51] <Gman> is it happening to any other projects? [23:59:07] <gisburn> Gman: It shows a "Resource Not Found" since a couple of days [23:59:26] <gisburn> Gman: so far it appears to be limited to ksh93-integration only