October 27, 2006 
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October 27, 2006 [00:00:59] *** rfds has quit IRC [00:04:02] <Gman> so oracle really put the cat amongst the pigeons [00:05:23] *** Ezechial_ has quit IRC [00:07:37] *** broadcast has quit IRC [00:09:19] *** Ezechial_ has joined #opensolaris [00:10:28] <Gman> ok [00:10:30] <Gman> mary mary is a nut. [00:10:44] <Gman> and her video blogcasts kinda freak me out. [00:11:12] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [00:11:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [00:11:16] <stevel> gman: ping [00:11:30] <stevel> or any jds person: ping [00:11:42] <Gman> yo [00:11:56] <stevel> q for ya. i installed snv_51, and then plopped vermillion_52 on top [00:12:03] <Gman> yep [00:12:08] <stevel> when i login, i see a dialog that says gnome-volume-manager crashed [00:12:30] <stevel> any ideas? i don't even know where to begin debugging this [00:12:35] <stevel> for that matter, where does gnome-volume-manager live? [00:12:36] <Gman> did you install hal bits? [00:12:44] <Gman> live? [00:12:47] <Gman> jds consolidation [00:12:48] <stevel> hal bits? [00:12:55] <richlowe> ON bits with hal, I assume. [00:12:58] <stevel> i grabbed everything off the vermillion_52 page [00:13:11] <richlowe> I suspect that combination gives you a JDS expecting HAL, and an ON without it... [00:13:22] <stevel> hrm. i thought snv_51 had HAL [00:13:26] <Gman> there should be packages [00:13:34] <richlowe> Oh, eh, it does. [00:13:35] <Gman> it did? [00:13:38] <Gman> hrm [00:13:38] <richlowe> sorry, I thought 52 gained it. [00:13:57] <stevel> gman: sorry, where does the binary gnome-volume-manager live on my filesystem [00:14:11] <Gman> in /usr/lib [00:14:24] <stevel> hrm. when i run gnome-volume-properties i see [00:14:37] <stevel> 'The "hald" service is required but not currently running.' [00:14:42] <stevel> and then underneath that it says [00:14:49] <stevel> 'Note: You need Linux kernel 2.6 for volume management to work.' [00:14:52] <stevel> maybe that's my problem [00:14:55] <richlowe> haha. [00:14:57] <Gman> haha [00:14:58] <Gman> oh boy [00:15:00] <Gman> we should fix that. [00:15:06] <stevel> ah. system/hal is disabled [00:15:15] *** axisys has quit IRC [00:15:17] <richlowe> stevel: how did you manage that? [00:15:33] <richlowe> bfu seems to automagically deal with enabling system/hal [00:15:40] * stevel shrugs. [00:15:45] <stevel> apparently a fresh install of snv_51 doesn't enable it [00:15:48] <stevel> that seems like a bug [00:15:53] <richlowe> probably. [00:15:57] <richlowe> bfu it forces it in the upgrade profile. [00:16:03] <richlowe> s/ it// [00:16:14] <stevel> okay, lemme try restarting JDS now [00:16:15] <stevel> brb [00:16:16] *** stevel has quit IRC [00:16:17] <Gman> stevel, i think the jds installer could have done that actually [00:16:54] <agliodbs> gods, I'm going to have to join opensolaris-discuss [00:17:20] <agliodbs> we're about to pitch the OSS database comunity for opensolaris.org [00:17:38] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [00:17:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [00:17:45] <stevel> hey that's better [00:17:49] <Gman> stevel, better? sweet. [00:18:01] <richlowe> stevel: so what was with kupfer's reply regarding svn? [00:18:20] <Gman> stevel, i have a feeling that the jds installer for 52 might have disabled it [00:18:37] <stevel> we had talked about it before and decided we (we meaning tonic-iteam) wouldn't support the SVN mirror, but that it would be an ON c-team decision [00:18:55] <elektronkind> yikes [00:18:56] <richlowe> as someone advised them it would be a bad decision? [00:19:07] <Gman> stevel, seems stupid to support 2 scm's [00:19:16] <Gman> tell people to suffer in their jocks [00:19:18] <elektronkind> GIMP's notion of anti-aliasing is crappy :/ [00:19:21] <elektronkind> http://zot.solaristutorials.com/ [00:19:37] <elektronkind> time to file up photoship [00:19:42] <stevel> richlowe: i decided i didn't want to support two bridges :) [00:19:45] <stevel> gman: yes, exactly [00:19:59] <richlowe> stevel: Yeah, tonic-iteam saying "No" is sensible. [00:20:05] <richlowe> I'm suggesting the ON c-team should say "No" too. [00:20:10] <Gman> yeah [00:20:19] <stevel> richlowe: I suspect they will. [00:23:01] <stevel> brb [00:23:03] *** stevel has quit IRC [00:23:38] *** doownek has joined #opensolaris [00:23:59] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [00:24:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [00:24:49] <jbenedetto> people werent joking when they said forget everything linux has taught you when playing with Solaris [00:25:06] * jbenedetto struggles to grasp how things are done [00:25:34] <elektronkind> got a question about something in particular? [00:26:55] *** triplah has joined #opensolaris [00:28:17] <jbenedetto> so im using marTux to boot a old Ultra 1E to play with. however the directions to install it to a hard disc are pretty much not helpful to a newbie. [00:29:39] <jbenedetto> i mean i managed to get up till it told me to "cpio the slice 5 of the DVD to a newly created slice of that disk" [00:29:52] *** yarihm has quit IRC [00:30:22] *** Cybernd has quit IRC [00:32:59] <stevel> hrm. i need one of those new Sun keyboards with the USB port on the keyboard [00:33:04] <jbenedetto> heh [00:33:24] <richlowe> stevel: yeah. [00:33:28] <richlowe> the type7 is real nice :) [00:33:39] <jbenedetto> elektronkind: i guess i have been spoiled from not having to install anything hard like this, but how would i go about doing that [00:36:41] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest builds: SXCR: 50, ON build: 51, ON nightly: 20061023" [00:37:34] <boyd> Is an Ultra1E even supported? I don't know. [00:37:55] * boyd <3 canmount [00:37:58] <richlowe> It's not normally, but I believe martux re-added US-1 support [00:38:04] <boyd> Ah [00:38:05] <jbenedetto> boyd: Ultra1 was patched into martux [00:38:12] <boyd> (Morning, all) [00:39:03] <jbenedetto> morn [00:39:24] *** dunc has quit IRC [00:40:02] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [00:41:07] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [00:42:21] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [00:45:09] *** bengtf has quit IRC [00:45:18] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [00:47:49] <sahafeez> anyone know how to send a stop-a in tip? [00:48:10] <richlowe> ~# [00:48:18] <sahafeez> thanks [00:52:49] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [00:53:14] * gisburn groans [00:53:20] <gisburn> !summon kupfer [00:54:19] <gisburn> Gman: ping! [00:54:27] <Gman> wh'sup? [00:54:36] <gisburn> Gman: is kupfer around ? [00:54:45] <Gman> maybe [00:55:06] <boyd> Gman: You standing in for a bot today? :) [00:55:07] <Gman> if you ever meet me, you owe me beers :) [00:55:12] <boyd> Hah [00:55:25] <gisburn> Gman: like "schroedingers cat" ? He may or may not be there ? [00:55:38] <boyd> He is both, untill you look for him [00:55:40] <Gman> depends whether he's busy or not, or looking at irc [00:57:24] <Gman> gisburn, and in this case, he's in heavy design mode, so best to mail him [00:57:56] <gisburn> Gman: "heavy design mode" = ? [00:58:07] <Gman> ie. doesn't want to be disturbed [00:59:01] *** delewis has joined #opensolaris [01:01:07] <gisburn> Gman: grruuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa___.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [01:01:12] <gisburn> ;-( [01:01:33] <Gman> you have to respect that [01:02:43] * gisburn sits down in an egdle and sulks [01:02:56] <gisburn> s/egdle/edge/ [01:03:23] * gisburn curses his g*dfors*ken typos which always manifest in his jokes, ruining them. [01:03:53] <delewis> those were jokes? [01:03:54] * delewis ducks [01:03:55] <delewis> :-) [01:04:37] * gisburn grabs delewis and throws him into a deep, empty pit. [01:05:21] <gisburn> Sorry, no komodo dragons today, they're on a shore leave in disneyland/paris. [01:05:50] <delewis> and this is what I get for untar'ing the latest ksh93 snapshot in my / :-( [01:06:04] * gisburn hides... [01:06:04] <delewis> not to mention doing a usermod -s /usr/bin/ksh93 dlewis [01:06:05] <gisburn> sorry [01:06:09] <delewis> :-) [01:06:11] <stevel> gman: doh. rhythmbox doesn't seem to wanna work :( [01:06:31] <delewis> sahafeez has been griping about it for the last few days, stevel [01:06:32] * gisburn hides deeper in his edge [01:06:46] <stevel> delewis: ah, didn't realise that. did he make any headway into what might be wrong? [01:07:17] <delewis> stevel: only that it was broken in b48 and posed the question whether or not that it worked in b50 before he upgraded [01:07:20] <Gman> stevel, oh? any particular reason? [01:07:28] <sahafeez> it never does work. [01:07:33] <stevel> delewis: ah, it worked fine for me in snv_50. it just segfaulted on snv_51/vermillion_52 though [01:07:34] <delewis> hehe [01:07:40] <sahafeez> or i think the rule is it works on odd releases [01:07:46] <delewis> sahafeez: there's your answer :-) [01:07:51] <stevel> sahafeez: it definitely worked for me on snv_50 [01:08:04] <sahafeez> still does not play acc files. [01:08:09] <stevel> gman: not sure, i clicked on the system-tray icon and it crashed [01:08:17] <stevel> i'm running it from the command-line now to see if i get any useful output [01:08:23] <stevel> hrm. it worked this time [01:08:26] <stevel> odd [01:08:42] <Gman> hrm, strange [01:08:47] <delewis> sahafeez: submit an RFE for AAC support [01:09:05] <delewis> it's only one more package to be added to the JDS consolidation.. [01:09:29] <sahafeez> i did .. about 4-5 months ago [01:09:32] <delewis> oh :-) [01:09:42] *** dks has joined #opensolaris [01:09:54] <stevel> gman: yeah, it was doing some heavy disk i/o - i wonder if it was updating its database or something [01:09:59] <delewis> sun-legal might've routed it to /dev/null :-) [01:10:02] <stevel> and didn't want to be interrupted by me clicking on its icon :-P [01:10:12] <Gman> mmm, i'd be surprised ;) [01:10:13] <Gman> [not] [01:10:27] *** jmcp_ has joined #opensolaris [01:10:50] <stevel> (btw, sorry you end up being my JDS tech support :-)) [01:10:57] <stevel> it's just your so damn accessible :-P [01:11:01] <stevel> s/your/you're/ [01:11:44] <Gman> that's ok [01:11:49] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:11:50] <Gman> if you get a crash dump, log a bug [01:11:55] <stevel> definitely [01:12:12] <stevel> it's been rock solid stable for the past 5 minutes though [01:12:14] <stevel> ;-) [01:12:30] <sahafeez> well dont click on anything!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [01:12:51] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:13:26] <Gman> haha [01:13:32] <sahafeez> i have 2 us2 cpus i am trying to id. 501-4849211924. cannot find anything on sun.com. what am i doing wrong [01:13:53] *** jamesd has quit IRC [01:14:11] <delewis> 501-4849 is the part number for USII (450MHz variants, I believe) [01:14:21] <stevel> i thought it was 300mhz [01:14:25] * delewis checks [01:14:26] <sahafeez> hum. found it. 300mhz [01:14:29] <delewis> oh [01:14:31] <delewis> close enough :-) [01:14:34] <Gman> anyone have enlightenment installed/running? [01:14:39] <sahafeez> got 2 of em [01:14:44] <delewis> Gman: /msg benr :-) [01:14:52] <Gman> yeah, will do at some stage [01:14:53] <richlowe> Gman: benr, probably. [01:15:09] * delewis has been trying to hunt down a cheap Ultra 80 [01:15:32] <delewis> prices are OK on Ebay at the moment, but not the best.. :-( [01:15:33] *** dmick has joined #opensolaris [01:15:34] *** Gman is now known as GmanAFK [01:16:03] <sahafeez> i got mine, 4x450 with 18gb scsi, elite3d, expert3d and 4gb ram on ebay for - $250 [01:16:26] <delewis> sahafeez: yeah, that's the range I'm looking for, but similar configurations on Ebay seem to be going for about $400-$500 [01:16:42] <delewis> which is a bit steep, and I recall several months ago U80s were dirt cheap [01:16:51] <delewis> and a few weeks ago U80s were non-existent [01:16:58] * delewis thinks it is sad that he monitors Ebay trends [01:17:22] <dmick> as long as you're keeping busy :) [01:17:29] <delewis> anysystem.com is still trying to pawn off U80s for $1.5k /w 2x450MHz UIIs [01:17:56] <delewis> (when they're also selling E420Rs with 4x450MHz USIIs for $6 [01:17:57] <delewis> er [01:17:58] <delewis> $800* [01:18:06] <sahafeez> 250 shipped. [01:18:10] <sahafeez> is a great price. [01:18:22] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:18:23] <richlowe> now $6 would be a real good price :) [01:18:24] <delewis> yeah :-( [01:18:27] <delewis> richlowe: definitely! [01:18:28] <delewis> :-) [01:18:43] <sahafeez> blastwave have rhythmbox w/acc i wonder.. [01:19:14] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:19:19] <jbenedetto> so does anyone here use the marTux sparc port? [01:19:32] <delewis> mbochnig does :-) [01:19:45] <dmick> $6 price, $794 shipping [01:19:53] <delewis> though, he doesn't seem to be around here at the moment. [01:20:06] <jbenedetto> delewis: thats somehow not surprising :P [01:20:47] *** alobbs has quit IRC [01:21:49] *** adp has joined #opensolaris [01:22:52] *** triplah has quit IRC [01:24:05] *** _william_ has quit IRC [01:26:24] *** Tzoa has quit IRC [01:26:37] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [01:27:40] *** jamesd has joined #opensolaris [01:27:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jamesd [01:34:56] *** ProfMikey has quit IRC [01:37:34] <gisburn> who is "ah89892" ? [01:37:45] * gisburn looks at Tpenta [01:38:30] * jmcp_ looks @ gisburn looking @ Tpenta [01:39:35] <richlowe> Tpent1: nice. [01:39:43] * gisburn looks at jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ Tpenta [01:40:02] <dmick> gisburn must have indepedently-controllable eyes [01:40:02] * gisburn looks @ jmcp [01:40:17] <richlowe> though it's odd Tpenta would get noreply@'d [01:40:33] <stevel> it's because he's probably registered @ opensolaris w/ tpenta, rather than ah89892 [01:40:46] * gisburn looks @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn... [01:40:47] * gisburn ...looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking @ jmcp looking @ gisburn looking [01:40:52] <richlowe> sheesh. [01:40:59] <stevel> actually he's registered under neither [01:41:20] <richlowe> stevel: at some point, we need something more robust there. [01:41:25] <stevel> ah. alanh [01:41:31] <stevel> richlowe: yeah - i've written something up [01:41:34] <stevel> but i haven't deployed it yet [01:42:00] * gisburn has headaches coming from his eyes [01:42:14] <stevel> i've got something that i (hope) should catch cases like this and find the proper opensolaris username for sun employees that haven't registered on os.o or are registered under different ids [01:42:36] * jamesd looks into the future and see's if he does another /me blah looking @ blah post, I see him getting kicked. [01:42:42] <richlowe> I'd still prefer a method that didn't mask *anyone* [01:42:49] <richlowe> though I appreciate there's technical difficulties. [01:43:13] <stevel> yeah, not masking *anyone* is difficult - it's hard to reach back into the Sun employee database from outside ;-) [01:43:29] <richlowe> there's always the social solution. [01:43:36] <richlowe> tell everyone who gets masked to go sign up, or else :) [01:44:54] <stevel> yeah - that one i can do :-) [01:45:14] <Tpent1> someone talking abt me? [01:45:25] <Tpent1> I'm registered as alanh [01:45:34] <stevel> tpent1: yeah, i found it [01:45:49] <stevel> my modified hg hook should catch it - once we deploy it, probably next week [01:47:03] <gisburn> Mhhh... does "Susan.Scheufele at sun dot com" have german ancestors ? [01:47:57] [01:48:19] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [01:48:29] *** Tpent1 is now known as Tpenta [01:48:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Tpenta [01:48:52] * gisburn wishes he had a faster build machine... [01:48:57] <dmick> surely there is no chance that Scheufele comes from anywhere else [01:49:02] *** Tpent1 has joined #opensolaris [01:49:35] * stevel wonders why he doesn't get an obscured hostname as well [01:49:56] [01:51:59] <gisburn> dmick: to compliciate the issue the "*le" suffix is sometimes misunderstood as something to "cute"'ify other words, e.g. something like fisch'le would be something like a "cute fish". [01:52:12] <gisburn> (don't think about jaws1-3) [01:52:34] <dmick> gisburn: yeah, I just mean it's surely German in origin [01:52:47] <dmick> I defer completely to you on the nature of the name and ending [01:53:20] <dmick> but the ending makes its way into Yiddish, presumably (like so much )from German [01:53:30] <dmick> "bubbeleh" [01:53:30] <dmick> etc. [01:53:59] <gisburn> dmick: erm, yes. Yiddish and German have lots of common parts and language constructs. [01:54:10] <dmick> yup [01:54:10] <Tpenta> wonderful, the timing of the putback for 6475492 means that i can update my encumbered bins code to be clean once again befor ethe next source drop :) [01:54:49] <gisburn> Tpentjust curious: how does the elfsign stuff works ? Is it done as part of the OS/Net build or later ? [01:54:52] <Tpenta> i dont have to do the proto shuffle anymore :-D [01:55:02] <richlowe> gisburn: bits during, bits later. [01:55:09] <Tpenta> gisburn: i dont actually recall off the top of my head [01:55:41] <gisburn> Are the solaris nevada DVD image executables signed ? [01:56:09] <richlowe> Yes. [01:56:16] <richlowe> elfsign verify -v <some executable in ON> [01:57:13] <gisburn> richlowe: can I prevent the execution of non-signed executables ? [01:58:08] <gisburn> richlowe: for example disable the setuid/setgid bit if the signature of a elf binary is invalid ? [01:58:15] <richlowe> I don't know. [01:59:14] *** Tpent1 has quit IRC [02:02:42] <jbenedetto> ok, i give up. How would i go about copying a slice to another slice with cpio [02:03:02] <dmick> cpio -pdumv [02:03:05] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [02:03:10] <dmick> is my usual "copy it" invocation [02:03:13] <Tpenta> cd $src ; find . -depth | cpio -pdm $dst [02:03:38] <Tpenta> the -depth is vital [02:04:53] <Tpenta> especially if you have directories that do not have user write [02:09:46] *** xavi has joined #opensolaris [02:09:50] *** xavi has left #opensolaris [02:10:24] <jbenedetto> so i have to have the slices mounted [02:10:34] *** deedaw has quit IRC [02:11:16] <Tpenta> yes [02:11:23] <Tpenta> and a filesystem existing on th enew one [02:11:44] <dmick> if they're the same size [02:11:48] <dmick> and you want a complete dup [02:11:52] <dmick> dd is far easier [02:12:05] <jbenedetto> i could imagine, dd id understand [02:12:39] <jbenedetto> so im only following the marTux install directions for making a working disk. [02:12:54] <jbenedetto> its not very helpful or newbie friendly lol. [02:13:19] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [02:14:23] <dmick> cpio is one of those things you struggle with once [02:14:27] <dmick> and then it's hardwired [02:14:37] <sahafeez> man, this u80 gets hot.. [02:14:51] <delewis> sahafeez: paste some temps :-) [02:15:00] <dmick> the heat lets you know the medicine is working :) [02:15:15] <sahafeez> hum. how do i see those .. i was just bitchin' about the heat in my office from it [02:15:30] <delewis> sahafeez: /usr/sbin/prtpicl -v | grep :Temperature [02:15:49] <elektronkind> PRINT PICKLES [02:15:51] <sahafeez> ah, cool tool [02:16:00] <delewis> the temperatures should come in pairs, so if you have 4 processors, you'll see 8 temperatures [02:16:13] <delewis> the first temperature of each pair is the core temperature for that CPU [02:16:26] <sahafeez> # prtpicl -v | grep :Temperature [02:16:26] <sahafeez> # [02:16:31] <sahafeez> hum [02:16:37] <delewis> and the second temperature is read from an external thermometer [02:16:49] <delewis> interesting [02:16:57] <delewis> I would think U80s have thermometers. [02:17:19] <elektronkind> you have to say "print pickles" when you run the command, then it'll work [02:17:23] <sahafeez> does not look like it [02:17:30] <delewis> ouch [02:17:37] <delewis> what does /usr/sbin/prtdiag -v say for the temps? [02:17:54] <stevel> wow. it's like day of the dmick putbacks :) [02:17:55] <delewis> +em-board/cpu0 Die okay [02:17:55] <delewis> +em-board/cpu0 Ambient okay [02:17:55] <delewis> +em-board/cpu1 Die okay [02:17:56] <delewis> +em-board/cpu1 Ambient okay [02:18:00] <delewis> (from my SB1000) [02:18:10] <delewis> (you use prtpicl to see the actual temperatures, nowadays) [02:18:21] <sahafeez> prtpicl -v | grep cpu [02:18:21] <sahafeez> SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (cpu, 6e00000293) [02:18:21] <sahafeez> :device_type cpu [02:18:21] <sahafeez> :_class cpu [02:18:21] <sahafeez> SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (cpu, 6e000002ac) [02:18:22] <sahafeez> :device_type cpu [02:18:24] <sahafeez> :_class cpu [02:18:25] <sahafeez> SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (cpu, 6e000002c5) [02:18:27] <sahafeez> :device_type cpu [02:18:29] <sahafeez> :_class cpu [02:18:31] <sahafeez> SUNW,UltraSPARC-II (cpu, 6e000002de) [02:18:32] <dmick> stevel: it's Metamucil day, yes [02:18:33] <sahafeez> :device_type cpu [02:18:35] <sahafeez> :_class cpu [02:18:38] <sahafeez> so no temp [02:18:41] <delewis> sahafeez: yes, we know you have 4 CPUs :-) [02:18:46] <delewis> interesting. [02:18:55] <sahafeez> ha. [02:19:00] <sahafeez> that was not the point, but ok [02:19:06] <delewis> I thought all relatively modern Sun systems (even workstations) had thermos [02:19:11] <sahafeez> i would think so. [02:19:18] <delewis> apparently, that's not true [02:20:15] <delewis> E4500, which was an UltraSPARC-II-based system had thermos, but then again, even in 2000 a U80 was a big jump from an E4500 :-) [02:20:19] <sahafeez> nice tool. i did not know about it [02:22:47] <delewis> anyone have any Type 5s they want to get rid of? (not the Type-5 Cs) [02:23:20] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [02:23:40] <sahafeez> ha, i just paid $25 for one w/mouse shipped on ebay. [02:24:04] <delewis> I was looking fome BINs on Ebay, but you still have to be careful to avoid the 5c's [02:24:11] <sahafeez> it is cleaning day. trying to de-junk. have an ss5 here i just cannot stand to part with. [02:24:24] <delewis> a lot of sellers either show a wrong picture (of an actual Type 5, when they're advertising a 5c), etc. [02:24:29] <sahafeez> hum. now you scary me. whats up with the 5c [02:24:44] <delewis> 5c just has the caps and control keys reversed -- peecee-style [02:24:59] <delewis> rather than UNIX-style where the control key is where the caps key is on peecee-style kbd [02:25:10] * jbenedetto likes his 5c [02:25:13] <sahafeez> P/N 320-1234 [02:25:16] <sahafeez> is what i got [02:25:25] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [02:25:49] <delewis> 320-1234 is Type-5c, I think. [02:26:20] <sahafeez> looks like it [02:26:39] <richlowe> delewis: nope. [02:26:43] *** jonkelle has quit IRC [02:26:44] <richlowe> delewis: there's US/UNIX 5c's. [02:26:54] <delewis> richlowe: interesting [02:26:59] <sahafeez> the pick has caplock in the lower left [02:27:00] <richlowe> different model, not a layout thing. [02:27:10] <delewis> all of the Type 5c's I've seen are peecee-style [02:27:19] <delewis> so I naturally assumed all Type 5c's were peecee-style [02:27:26] <sahafeez> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=270042195150&rd=1&rd=1 [02:27:56] <delewis> http://sunstuff.org/hardware/components/keyboards/sun.type5-keyboard.jpg <-- UNIX-style. [02:28:24] <delewis> you can tell because the light for the caps lock key is on the bottom key, where ctrl would be on a peecee-style keyboard. [02:28:57] <sahafeez> well i do not care - i am sick of this cheap ass type 6 [02:29:08] <delewis> yes, I want to upgrade to a Type 7 :-( [02:29:27] <sahafeez> not ulra80 workable [02:29:39] <delewis> Ultra 80 doesn't have USB? [02:30:28] <stevel> you can add a USB controller [02:30:30] <delewis> http://sunstuff.org/hardware/components/keyboards/sun.type3-keyboard.2.jpg [02:30:32] <delewis> sweet :-) [02:31:11] <jbenedetto> yeah i have a unix style type 5 around soemwhere [02:31:18] <delewis> I wonder what the feedback is like on that [02:31:31] <richlowe> it's not as stiff as you'd expect. [02:31:39] <delewis> richlowe: for a Type3? [02:31:42] * richlowe wants a type3->usb converter :) [02:31:45] <delewis> hehe [02:32:10] <delewis> I liked the feel of the Type 4s personally [02:32:16] <delewis> which were IMO more solid than the Type 5 [02:32:38] <delewis> but those optical mice had *really* poor resolution, which is the fault of the "mouse pad" they sat on. [02:34:15] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [02:35:11] <stevel> hey alanc: got any extra type7's you don't need? :) [02:35:13] <rydis> The main difference between 5 and 5C is that 5:s are a fair bit heavier, and the meta keys are bigger on the 5C. (Well, that and the cord, I guess.) [02:35:33] <delewis> I probably had a 5c then [02:35:52] <delewis> because it felt really, really flimsy, and that felt odd considering all the good things I was hearing about the Type 5 at the time [02:36:25] <delewis> not as flimsy as the Type 6, but close [02:36:38] <Tekni> yeah, the 5s feel a lot like the old ibm keyboards in terms of build [02:37:28] <rydis> delewis: On the sunstuff.org page where you got the keyboards from, the one you point to is a type 5, the other one a 5c. [02:37:38] <Tekni> the 6 is terrible (unfortunately typing on one now), but the 7 is kind of nice [02:37:55] <delewis> rydis: I figured -- the UNIX-style one looks a bit more vintage than the peecee-style one (which is 5c regardless of layout) [02:38:19] <delewis> Tekni: I'm thinking of laying down the $70 for a Type 7 kit to upgrade from the Type 6 [02:38:45] <Tekni> the type 6 kits were $45... sun is charging $70 for the new ones? [02:39:01] <delewis> actually, now that I think about Sun store is selling them for $50 [02:39:12] <delewis> and there's some fellow on Ebay (at the moment) trying to pawn them off at $70 :-) [02:39:19] <Tekni> that's a rip :) [02:39:28] <delewis> it's bad when you're charging more than Sun Store.. [02:41:03] <alanc> stevel: I might have one or two in the lab [02:41:27] <alanc> (which is almost directly below your office) [02:41:38] <stevel> alanc: ooh. can i snag one from ya? [02:41:42] <jbenedetto> heh for all this effort, ill use my Model M terminal keyboard [02:41:49] <stevel> afraid i don't have much to trade unless you need opensolaris swag :-P [02:41:58] <alanc> Unix or PC layout? [02:42:03] <stevel> unix layout please [02:42:15] <alanc> I'll see if we still have extras [02:42:22] <richlowe> The fact you even had to ask scares me. [02:42:26] <stevel> thanks much [02:42:28] <delewis> it's nice not having to reach down with your pinky whenever you do a ^C [02:47:07] <alanc> hmm, looks like all I've got left is a PC layout [02:47:14] <alanc> sorry [02:47:53] <alanc> I think we're getting some more with the new machines coming in later this quarter [02:47:54] *** jonkelle_ has quit IRC [02:48:33] <stevel> ah, okay - if you see one with a unix layout - save it for me :-) [02:48:37] <stevel> many thanks! [02:49:11] <stevel> oop. time for dinner. adios [02:49:14] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:49:31] *** bengtf has quit IRC [02:49:43] <jbenedetto> http://www.pckeyboard.com/images/122XbigT.jpg id just have to make a sane keymap :P [02:51:14] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [02:53:56] * gisburn wishes NIagara-2 would be out right now... [02:54:05] <gisburn> it would make a cool build machine. [02:54:30] <gisburn> "smack&&build OS/Net in 10mins" [02:55:00] <gisburn> Tpenta: did anyone ever tried to build OS/Net in paralle on a SF25k with 144 cores ? [02:55:41] * gisburn dreams of sub-minute build times... [02:57:46] <LeftWing> Is the build process really that parallelisable? [02:57:57] <richlowe> No. [02:58:19] <LeftWing> Thought not. [02:58:34] <gisburn> richlowe: userland and kernel can be build in parallel [02:59:00] <richlowe> They probably can. [02:59:04] <richlowe> they aren't however. [02:59:13] <gisburn> richlowe: it's a one-line patch. [02:59:18] <richlowe> I know. [03:00:00] <gisburn> richlowe: the real problem is that there is effectively no machine which can exploit this kind of parallism. dmake has a top-first parallism, not bottom-first... ;-( [03:00:09] <gisburn> and SF25k don't grow on trees [03:00:19] <gisburn> and anything except tmpfs would be useless [03:00:39] <gisburn> (as filesystem containing the tree) [03:01:23] <LeftWing> I... really don't think it needs to be built that quickly. =P [03:02:17] <richlowe> anywhere around an hour would make me happy enough. [03:02:23] <richlowe> excluding lint and friends. [03:02:30] <richlowe> well, including would make me *real* happy, but... [03:03:46] <Tpenta> gisburn: I don't know, I tried it with 56 cores at one point [03:05:20] *** FireflyST has joined #OpenSolaris [03:05:56] <FireflyST> Anyone here from the OpenSolaris great lakes user group? [03:08:24] <gisburn> Tpenta: niagara2 ? [03:08:30] *** drio has quit IRC [03:08:51] <Tpenta> gisburn: that was a 25k in our sydney lab [03:11:48] * gisburn stares at his Ultra5 [03:12:01] *** swa_mobil has quit IRC [03:12:09] <hile_> i want my new boxes [03:12:16] <hile_> replacing netra t1s with 280Rs [03:12:31] <alanc> if you get 4 Ultra 5's, it'll still be slower than an Ultra 20 [03:12:40] <jamesd> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/10/svosg-con-call-1026.html Concall on IP Instances, innovating VLANs and Solaris Containers starts in 18 minutes. [03:13:17] <alanc> looks like 1 hour and 18 miutes to me [03:13:24] * gisburn wishes he had a http://cgi.ebay.de/Sun-E4500-Server-w-8x-400-MHz-8-GB-Memory_W0QQitemZ120045374867QQihZ002QQcategoryZ106272QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem at home. [03:13:32] <alanc> it's only 6:12 pm on this coast [03:13:50] <hile_> you relaly want to pay for the power for that, roland? [03:14:01] <jamesd> oops your right... [03:14:05] * FireflyST loves his T1 [03:14:29] <FireflyST> though it is kinda sorta slow [03:14:30] <gisburn> hile_: as long as I do not have to wait more than a day to build OS/net... [03:15:23] <gisburn> hile_: but these are dreams... day-dreams... ;-( [03:15:47] <hile_> hey i had one [03:15:50] <hile_> only 4-way at the time [03:16:01] <hile_> ended up giving it to libkeiser when i moved in wtih my gf [03:16:56] <hile_> one ckt in the comptuer room is so not enough [03:18:20] <Auralis> gisburn: want a e4k(8x250/3gig) with a5200? [03:18:39] <gisburn> Auralis: remote login, yes, please. [03:19:08] <Auralis> hehe, no, i mean, physicaly [03:19:13] <gisburn> Auralis: moment mal. [03:19:19] <gisburn> Auralis: do you speak germen ? [03:19:25] <Auralis> sicher [03:19:32] <gisburn> Auralis: ok [03:19:42] <elektronkind> I have an unused e6k with 12x336 that's unused. maybe I should zone it out. [03:19:47] <gisburn> Auralis: warum wollt Ihr die loswerden ? [03:19:54] * elektronkind notes his redundant use of "unused" [03:20:10] <LeftWing> elektronkind: I'll have it if you drop it off here. ;P [03:20:11] <Auralis> gisburn: kann mir zur zeit nicht leisten die kiste zu bereitebn [03:20:35] <LeftWing> (I swear they're not really saying anything.) [03:20:36] <gisburn> Auralis: warum ? strom ? [03:20:42] <Auralis> gisburn: yoa [03:20:58] <gisburn> Auralis: willst Du sie deswegen verschenken oder wie ? [03:21:20] <Auralis> gisburn: ne, nicht verschenken, eher verkaufen [03:21:29] [03:21:40] <Auralis> gisburn: mach ein angebot [03:21:41] * LeftWing hums 99 red balloons. [03:21:58] [03:22:00] <FireflyST> I know some german. [03:22:01] <elektronkind> no, gisburn is just talking about losing will (at least, being on the verge of) [03:22:18] <FireflyST> WUNDERSCHEISSE! HASSELHOFF! [03:22:23] <Auralis> lol [03:22:23] <LeftWing> lol [03:22:30] <LeftWing> Don't Hassle the Hoff. [03:22:38] <elektronkind> don't you start singing "Du" here. [03:23:25] [03:24:20] <gisburn> Auralis: und das will ich Dir lieber nicht antun... 200 euro sind zu wenig. [03:24:34] [03:24:37] <Auralis> hrm, joa eindeutig [03:24:55] <Auralis> meine vhb war 600 [03:25:24] <elektronkind> my german is rusty [03:25:47] <LeftWing> It's been at least 5 or 6 years since I learnt any. [03:26:09] <FireflyST> Das Computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schappen der shpringenverk, blowenfusen unt poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist night fuer gewerken bei die Dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken Sichtseeren keepen das cotton-pickenen Hands in die Pockets muss; relaxen und watschen die Blinkenlichten. [03:26:17] <LeftWing> haha [03:26:32] <LeftWing> Spitzensparken was always my favourite part. =P [03:26:33] <hile_> i saw something about a dumbass and blinkin-lights [03:26:47] <elektronkind> einen grosser machine macht nichts. einen klein machine ist besser [03:26:56] * elektronkind wonder if he got the conjugation right [03:27:03] <Auralis> hehehe, that is some bastadization of durch, german and english [03:27:04] <LeftWing> elektronkind: Nein. ;P [03:27:08] <elektronkind> or if I make any sense at all [03:27:22] <LeftWing> elektronkind: Larger machines are better anyway. ;P [03:27:28] <FireflyST> yeah, it's pseudogerman nonsense, from some old signs placed on old equipment [03:28:04] <elektronkind> I remember "macht nichts" from living in stuttgart, where there was an intersection of roads called that... "macht nichts corner" [03:28:33] <LeftWing> An unpopular place, then? =P [03:29:27] <elektronkind> yeah, it wa s [03:30:24] <elektronkind> it was.... and they kept digging up unexploded ww2 bombs there [03:30:37] <LeftWing> Bugger. [03:30:48] <LeftWing> One would imagine a limited possible supply, though. [03:31:38] <jbenedetto> LeftWing: i dunno the 8th Airforce did drop a hell of alot of them [03:31:41] *** jmcp_ has quit IRC [03:32:03] <FireflyST> DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT [03:32:09] <elektronkind> it was the center of the city almost, and they were putting the strassebahn underground and found them often enough [03:32:29] <dclarke> hello : can anyone out there reach the blastwave site : www.blastwave.org ? [03:32:47] <dclarke> I think my bandwidth is flapping in the wind [03:32:48] <LeftWing> dclarke: Seemingly not. [03:32:51] <elektronkind> dclarke: not here [03:32:52] <dclarke> damn [03:32:55] <dclarke> okay [03:32:56] <jamesd> nope.. [03:32:57] <FireflyST> seems to be down [03:33:12] <jbenedetto> same here [03:33:16] <alanc> traceroute ends at static-66-225-157-141.ptr.terago.ca [03:33:23] <jamesd> login.blastwave.org seems to be down as well [03:33:31] <dclarke> I paid the bill ... dammit [03:33:42] <dclarke> arghhh .. okay .. I'll get on the phone [03:33:49] <FireflyST> jbenedetto: it's because you didn't DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT [03:33:54] <LeftWing> Give them hell, dclarke. =P [03:33:57] <gisburn> dclarke: www.blastwave.org. "Now Opening: The New Blastwave Online Casino" ? [03:34:01] * LeftWing & [03:34:03] <alanc> heh - I see someone along the way has a big pipe coming in: rx0sh-terago.mt.bigpipeinc.com [03:34:22] <dclarke> yep .. upstream [03:34:25] <Auralis> dclarke: nope, times out [03:34:33] <dclarke> dammit dammit ... [03:34:50] <gisburn> dclarke: you DID pay the bill, right ? [03:34:54] * gisburn hides [03:34:56] <gisburn> :-) [03:35:20] <dclarke> yeah .. [03:35:33] * gisburn waits that dclarke starts chasing him around the building... [03:35:34] <alanc> terago must have teragone... [03:35:53] <gisburn> RIAA put them down! [03:35:57] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [03:36:12] <dclarke> I gotta get on the phone [03:36:15] <alanc> (not to be confused with tarragon, which you put on chicken) [03:36:34] <gisburn> It's all an illuminati plot to destroy blastwave.org [03:36:38] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [03:37:10] <FireflyST> hmm, I wonder if they ever fixed the scanner problem I asked about [03:37:33] <elektronkind> blastwave and ksh93 must unite [03:37:48] <elektronkind> for evil seeks to derail them both! [03:39:02] * elektronkind makes "sharp, pointy teeth" gestures [03:39:36] <FireflyST> heh [03:39:55] * FireflyST makes asses-with-trumpets gestures for the hell of it. [03:40:18] *** yongsun has joined #opensolaris [03:40:48] *** dclarke has quit IRC [03:40:49] * gisburn makes gestures of unknown origin (well, you'll become mad if you start to understand them) [03:41:29] * gisburn stares at gdamore [03:41:32] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [03:42:50] * dmick groans at teragone [03:46:22] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [03:48:31] <richlowe> Don't groan, throw fruit. :) [03:49:07] <dmick> I don't know what kind alanc likes :) [03:49:50] <alanc> apples are nice - have any spare MacBooks? [03:50:07] <dmick> heh [03:50:12] <dmick> I've seen pictures :) [03:51:52] *** jonkelle_ has quit IRC [03:52:28] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [03:52:32] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [03:53:26] <dclarke> hello [03:53:40] <dclarke> okee dookee ... something is really wrong with my subnet [03:53:53] <sahafeez> dclarke: yup. still down [03:54:06] <dclarke> can anyone out there sent me the output from traceroute login.blastwave.org ? ? [03:54:19] <dclarke> I have two samples here but the more data the better [03:54:27] <dclarke> send it dclarke at blastwave dot org [03:54:38] <dks> stops at rx0sh-terago.mt.bigpipeinc.com [03:54:41] <dclarke> along with your geographic location .. stae or country or whatever [03:54:51] <dclarke> it stops at a few locations [03:55:02] <dclarke> I traceroute from Germany and it does at a different point [03:55:15] <sahafeez> stops there here to - in san diego [03:55:31] <sahafeez> did not know they had the internet in montana [03:55:38] <elektronkind> my tr stops at rx0sh-terago.mt.bigpipeinc.com too [03:55:49] <dclarke> static-66-225-157-141.ptr.terago.ca is my stop point [03:55:54] <elektronkind> mt might be manitoba [03:56:08] <sahafeez> ok, sorry. american blindness ;) [03:57:47] <dclarke> I have two data points now [03:57:56] <dclarke> James is sending me a third [03:58:28] <dks> You have three more from me: DCA, CMI, CVG [03:58:58] <dclarke> excellent !! [03:59:08] <dclarke> why should I pay top price for this sort of service eh ? [03:59:19] <dks> Bill's in the mail ;-) [03:59:45] <sahafeez> who r u hosting wiht [03:59:49] <sahafeez> with even [04:00:04] <dmick> one from LA/TimeWarner [04:00:06] <jamesd> i'm grabbing another traceroute from canterbury england [04:00:41] <dks> I'm really imagining you recieving 50 mails with traceroutes here :-P [04:01:58] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [04:03:07] *** gregp has joined #opensolaris [04:03:24] <dclarke> perfect [04:03:33] <dclarke> I just fire them at noc at terago dot ca [04:03:45] <dclarke> they just told me they had a power failure at a major hub [04:03:54] <dclarke> big deal .. buy a freaking UPS [04:03:56] <dclarke> losers [04:03:59] <dks> Nice. [04:04:16] <richlowe> ... power can vanish for long periods of time ya know. [04:04:21] <dks> ... so? [04:04:21] <richlowe> and even generators run out of fuel ;) [04:04:21] <alanc> oh, we can't talk then, since that's why bugs.opensolaris.org was down this morning [04:04:33] <alanc> power failure caused by blizzard in Colorado [04:04:34] <sahafeez> or buy pipes from more then bigpipeinc [04:04:39] <dks> My personal favorite was when CSC lost power in their deleware data center [04:05:14] <dks> ... batteries kicked in, the generator... didn't. And that lasted about 10 seconds before they died. [04:05:17] <dclarke> its no excuse [04:05:18] <sahafeez> btw, the wait time on orders of 1gw generators is about a year now... [04:05:25] <dclarke> I have 10 hours of batteries on Blastwave [04:05:38] <dclarke> 1 gigawatt ? [04:05:43] <dclarke> 1 billion watts ? [04:05:44] <dks> 1.21 gigawatts? [04:05:46] <dclarke> geez [04:05:49] <sahafeez> looks like your hosting provider has transite from one provider - so they go down and you are fucked [04:06:01] <dclarke> yep .. they are not dual pathed [04:06:14] <alanc> no, 1.21 jiggawatts! [04:06:16] <sahafeez> well there you go [04:06:18] <dclarke> I'll tear a strip off them in the morning [04:06:36] <sahafeez> nothing you can do. you KNEW they were single pathed [04:06:36] <dmick> Great Scott! [04:10:52] <dclarke> the hell I did [04:11:03] <dclarke> I never knew they were single pathed [04:11:12] <sahafeez> well you do now ;) [04:12:14] <dclarke> miserable pricks [04:12:17] <dclarke> http://www.terago.ca/GeneralEnquiryForm [04:12:24] <dclarke> I think I'll fill in complaints [04:12:38] <dclarke> that way the news filters up to the marketing people [04:12:43] <dclarke> not just the noc [04:12:49] <dclarke> where they hide stuff like this [04:13:40] <dclarke> damn .. I need to switch back to fibre [04:14:12] <sahafeez> looks like bigpipe in chi is down. that is their main link into bobble head country [04:14:24] <dclarke> uh huh [04:14:33] <dclarke> bigpipeinc.com [04:14:42] <sahafeez> AS6327 [04:14:49] <dclarke> well .. I can not run a Sun Global Desktop server on this [04:14:51] <sahafeez> route flapping like crazy [04:14:59] <dclarke> got data ? [04:15:00] <jamesd> dclarke, move to a hosting company where you rent a server just for the web server, maybe 2 or so different companies.. should be pretty cheap i know a decent company that is multiple linked to primary back bones for $120 a server. [04:15:06] <dks> mmm. IRC network engineering. The best kind. [04:15:35] <dclarke> dammi jamesd, by now you know that I can't hose an entire rack of servers that way [04:15:52] <dclarke> hosting a rack load of servers .. anywhere .. costs money [04:16:09] <jamesd> dclarke, yes.. you host a backup server on the site i mentioned the rest stays right where it is.. [04:16:14] <dclarke> and I am fine with $1100/month so long as it works [04:16:21] <dclarke> oh .. [04:16:23] <dclarke> sorry [04:16:32] <dclarke> I'm in a _real_ bad mood [04:16:44] <dclarke> I think I'll go watch Star Trek Voyager now [04:16:51] <dclarke> and get away from the damn computer [04:16:51] <jamesd> and you ask for a major discount on your service because of this mistake.. [04:17:13] <dclarke> major discount ! I want the month free for them lying to me about multipath redundant networking [04:17:28] <dclarke> and .. I am going to check the contract document [04:17:37] <dclarke> Thanks everyone for helping !! [04:17:42] <dclarke> I'm walking away ... [04:17:46] * dclarke storms away [04:17:50] <jamesd> have a good night [04:19:12] <sahafeez> route-server>show ip route 66.225.151.251 [04:19:13] <sahafeez> % Subnet not in table [04:19:13] <sahafeez> route-server> [04:19:20] <sahafeez> path is withdrawn [04:29:01] <elektronkind> ok, opinion time [04:29:07] <elektronkind> http://zot.solaristutorials.com/ [04:29:31] <elektronkind> first off, does the logo up top have a transparent background or otherwise look wonky in your browsers? [04:30:13] <jamesd> looks fine in my firefox 1.5.x the latest not upgrading 2.0 yet [04:30:36] <elektronkind> cool. I was wary of making a .png with transparencies on it. [04:30:41] <elektronkind> s/on/in [04:31:14] <dmick> logo seems OK [04:31:15] <jamesd> look funky in IE [04:31:18] <Auralis> transparent png will not work in IE [04:31:19] <dmick> FF 2.0 [04:31:24] <richlowe> jamesd: SVOSUG call has probably just started. [04:31:26] <elektronkind> damn you IE [04:31:29] <Auralis> it will give a gray backgound where the trans is [04:31:33] <jamesd> yeah.. i'm on line [04:31:41] <sahafeez> it is a solaris site. fuck ie [04:31:45] <dmick> lol [04:31:53] <Auralis> thats the spirit :) [04:31:54] <richlowe> jamesd: type out the good bits, until I can call in ;) [04:32:05] * elektronkind shakes his fist in the air and cries "why, redmond, WHY??!!" [04:32:14] <jamesd> okay.. they are still setting up.. they said to hang on. [04:32:35] <sahafeez> write a script to look at the broswer id and replace the log with "you cannot see my cool logo since IE blows" [04:32:44] <elektronkind> haha, will do [04:32:46] <sahafeez> s/log/logo [04:32:58] <elektronkind> simple user-agent regex [04:34:08] *** jonkelle_ has quit IRC [04:34:35] <jamesd> elektronkind, you need a links section so you can refer your readers to all the great blogs and resources on the web. [04:35:54] *** Dr_Jekyl1 has joined #opensolaris [04:36:38] <richlowe> Hm, no sound at all. [04:36:52] <jamesd> yeah... they are still setting up [04:36:58] <jamesd> i heard you connect i guess... [04:37:24] <richlowe> I'm dialled in via skype without a mic connected, so. :) [04:37:43] <jamesd> i'm on my cellphone, with "mute" enabled... [04:37:58] <jamesd> hopefully the guy with the bad connection won't be on tonight [04:38:16] *** Dr_Jekyll has quit IRC [04:39:12] <elektronkind> jamesd: good idea. I just started this on monday :) so I'll now turn to the issue of actually putting in content [04:39:45] <Tekni> gah, zfs seems to be crapping all over me [04:39:46] <jamesd> we have "voices" [04:40:26] <boyd> What's the number? [04:40:39] <jamesd> boyd, check my blog... uadmin.blogspot.com [04:40:56] * boyd fires up skype [04:42:21] <boyd> What's the access code? [04:42:42] <richlowe> 809-64-14 [04:42:51] <boyd> thx [04:43:34] <elektronkind> svoslug meeting? [04:43:50] <boyd> Bah... It's unlistenable here from skype so far [04:44:09] <delewis> there's not a Skype for Solaris/SPARC is there? [04:44:12] <jamesd> okay who is pressing there keypad.. [04:44:13] <richlowe> Nope. [04:44:16] <delewis> :-( [04:44:21] <boyd> Not me... I'm on mute [04:44:22] <richlowe> jamesd: no clue, but that *sucked* [04:44:38] <boyd> All I can here is keypads [04:44:41] * richlowe has the speakers way up to be able to hear. [04:44:45] <richlowe> well, I *used* to be able to hear... [04:44:46] <jamesd> me too [04:44:55] <boyd> s/here/hear [04:45:21] <dmick> anyone know anything about the time delay between logging-ufs "entry into log" and "flush (roll?) log to disk" [04:46:21] <boyd> I'm not surpised that skype sucks from here... but the AT&T part was fine [04:46:54] <boyd> Is anyone hearing anything but beeps and clicks? [04:47:29] <adp> all I hear is beeeeeep [04:47:32] <jamesd> okay i'm dialing back in... [04:47:48] <boyd> Let us know, jamesd [04:48:21] <boyd> The conference has been muted [04:48:24] <boyd> Yay! [04:49:11] <jamesd> yeap.. [04:49:17] <boyd> Poo, it's still jittery [04:49:32] <boyd> (for me at least) [04:49:49] <jamesd> sounds pretty good here. [04:49:59] <adp> no problem here [04:50:11] *** jbenedetto has left #opensolaris [04:50:15] <elektronkind> there isn't a mp3 stream of this, is there? [04:50:29] <boyd> Hmm... it must be my crappy sproxy situation [04:51:04] <jamesd> elektronkind, nope.. [04:51:19] <boyd> Bummer... mp3 sream wouls be nice.... even after-the-fact [04:51:25] <jamesd> but it is being recorded, so if some teleconference guru will be able to post and mp3 later [04:51:30] <boyd> Cool! [04:51:44] <boyd> Ok, I'm out... can't comprehend anyway [04:52:22] <jamesd> if you have a cellphone you can call back in most have free minutes after 9pm [04:52:37] <boyd> Not from australia :) [04:52:43] <jamesd> oh [04:52:48] <elektronkind> what's the number? [04:52:51] <jamesd> are you a sun employee? [04:52:55] <boyd> Nope [04:52:56] <elektronkind> nope [04:53:00] <jamesd> uadmin.blogspot.com has all the info.. [04:53:05] <elektronkind> okie [04:53:15] <boyd> Technically I'm a partner [04:53:18] <jamesd> including a link to the pdf of slides [04:54:26] <boyd> jamesd: If you blog on the saved mp3 location I promise to ad-click :) [04:55:13] <jamesd> boyd, no one has ever posted an mp3 link yet... they just talk about how its recorded.. no one has ever posted a stream or a link to a copy [04:55:24] <boyd> grr [04:55:41] <boyd> Alst time someone said they'd try.... I can't remember who [05:03:26] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [05:03:45] <elektronkind> did it just go dead? [05:03:57] <adp> hmm [05:04:04] <richlowe> seems so [05:04:07] <jamesd> i hope this makes the network layer faster... because today the best i got from gigabit to gitabit doing ftp was about 20MB/s max.. between a u20 to a blade 1500 ... the blade 1500 had 2 zfs pools one built in ide (capable of 30MB/s) and a pair 18GB scsi disk on an ultra wide scsi channel. [05:04:10] <jamesd> yeah.. [05:04:11] <adp> it is for me [05:05:03] <jamesd> they were taking questions... perhaps she went to talk one on one away from the mic. [05:06:52] <Tekni> elektronkind: did you ever get a multi-bay external SATA array to hook up to your pci-e SIIG card? [05:07:25] <elektronkind> Tekni: not yet, a purchase of a turkish carpet got in the way of that :/ [05:07:30] <boyd> Wow... I just saw this: http://blogs.sun.com/tatkar/entry/performance_comparison_sun_studio_vs I didn't realise the differences were so dramatic on x86 [05:07:33] <Tekni> elektronkind: did you have something in mind? [05:10:03] <Tekni> i'm wondering how long it will be before sata port multiplier support is added.. there are at least 3 open bugs for it [05:10:49] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [05:10:58] *** gdamore has quit IRC [05:11:01] <dmick> Tekni: hm: I know they planned for it, but I don't know what's missing; you have bug IDs handy? [05:11:28] <Tekni> dmick: yeah, hang on [05:11:40] <Tekni> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6422924 [05:11:41] <Tekni> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6422931 [05:11:41] <Tekni> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6409327 [05:11:54] <elektronkind> port multiplier support would be key to what I want to do [05:12:00] <dmick> zam. that was fast. [05:12:22] <Tekni> well, i bought a norcotek 1220 and it's a nice cheap 12 disk array, but i can only really make use of the two direct ports [05:12:56] <Tekni> the disks behind the port multipliers are detected, i can format them and whatnot, but i get about 16K of write to them and then it stalls [05:13:09] <dmick> interesting [05:13:36] <elektronkind> silicon image port multiplier chips? [05:13:41] <Tekni> yeah, 3726 [05:14:28] <Tekni> http://www.norcotek.com/item_detail.php?categoryid=8&modelno=DS-1220 [05:15:28] <dmick> middle bug is about enclosure svcs, not PMs particularly [05:15:35] <dmick> but yeah, bugs are not very informative. [05:15:38] <dmick> I'll see if our SATA guy is around [05:15:47] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [05:15:54] <elektronkind> "hey, sata guy" [05:16:01] <Tekni> that must be nice [05:17:25] <dmick> local guy is not, and the guy who looks like he's put in the most time on this has left, so that may be why it's stalled [05:17:28] <dmick> but I'll try to remember to ask tomorrow [05:17:45] <Tekni> dmick: thanks very much [05:18:00] <dmick> np. I have a passing interest too, since PMs are so freakin weird :) [05:18:15] <Tekni> i have no doubt they are weird, but they make things cheap [05:18:22] <elektronkind> too bad they're not transparent [05:18:38] <dmick> yeah. I'm just glad "access to primary" is transparent at least [05:18:47] <Tekni> i kind of wish this array would just have 12 direct connections with a few multi-lane connectors [05:18:55] <Tekni> but then it wouldn't be cheap :) [05:19:02] <dmick> yeah. perform better tho. [05:19:08] <Tekni> well, that's always the trade off [05:19:11] <dmick> yup [05:19:27] <elektronkind> that norco ds-500 looks pretty nice [05:19:33] <Tekni> i don't need speed as much as i need the functionality [05:19:45] <dmick> yeah. "a pile of storage" [05:19:54] <Tekni> but even for a small univ. lab, this would be a nice solution [05:21:37] <Tekni> elektronkind: yeah, that's another interesting little enclosure.. but it's also PM [05:21:56] *** laca has quit IRC [05:22:06] <elektronkind> yah [05:23:55] <dmick> hey, curios: [05:24:01] <dclarke> re [05:24:06] <dclarke> ick .. still down here [05:24:08] <dmick> anyone here running Enlightenment, on Solaris or Linux? [05:24:33] <dclarke> geez .. I have not run Enlightenment for a long time [05:24:37] <dclarke> years [05:24:59] <dmick> I just need a quick piece of info about eterm [05:25:06] <dmick> and I give up on building it [05:26:13] *** nwf has quit IRC [05:27:47] * dclarke wanders away .. again [05:28:24] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [05:29:11] <Auralis> dmick: benr is the enlightenment guru here, when he is around [05:30:37] <dmick> k ty [05:30:51] <dmick> actually I may have just gotten a clue how to tell from the soruce [05:30:54] <dmick> *source [05:31:06] <dmick> in service of http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361054 [05:36:10] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [05:39:48] <dwc-> what do you need to know? [05:41:46] <dmick> what the output of xprop WM_CLASS on an eterm window is [05:42:28] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [05:50:30] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman [05:51:16] <dmick> pretty sure it's WM_CLASS(STRING) = "eterm", "Eterm" [05:54:11] *** laca has quit IRC [05:55:33] <sahafeez> why do the sound keys on a type 6 work under snv49? hum, never tried them under any sol10 so.. [05:55:49] <sahafeez> i get the little jds popup of the sound thing but like mute does not work.. [05:57:32] <paxc> anyone knows one software for console over ethernet?!!! [05:58:01] <dmick> warning: punctuation overload. decrease punctuation slowly [05:58:30] <dmick> paxc: do you mean Serial over LAN? [05:59:22] <paxc> dmick : I need one software that allow me connect on my "com port" of my solaris over ethernet [05:59:35] <dmick> so, sounds like yes [05:59:48] <delewis> uh [05:59:59] <delewis> sounds like ssh, rsh, or telnet to me [06:00:05] <dmick> SOL is a defined stack that redirects serial traffic to Ethernet [06:00:24] <paxc> dmick : how can I do it? [06:00:24] <dmick> some of the Sun servers with service processors have it [06:00:39] <dmick> generally: telnet to the service processor and start a command [06:00:45] <dmick> or use ipmitool [06:00:46] <delewis> you could do it with netcat fairly easily, I think [06:00:55] <dmick> the server doc should say. [06:01:03] <paxc> will read [06:01:06] <paxc> thx [06:01:39] *** cmihai has joined #OpenSolaris [06:01:46] <dmick> delewis: with SOL, Solaris thinks you're using a real com port, so the normal console redirection works [06:02:13] <delewis> ah, interesting [06:02:28] * delewis has never used a sytem with RSC/ALOM [06:02:31] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [06:02:32] <dmick> (not just Solaris; any of the OSes that do serial console; it was, of course, invented for Windows) [06:02:32] <delewis> system, rather. [06:02:57] <dmick> these days almost every server has something like it, built into the IPMI/BSC/LAN controller [06:03:00] <dmick> on the cheap [06:03:05] <dmick> because it's so useful [06:03:21] <dmick> well. almost every == some [06:03:31] <dmick> the servers that are really built for remote mgmt [06:03:31] <paxc> dmick : I need to know with my x86 machine has it -_- [06:03:43] <paxc> dmick : ultra-30 has it? [06:03:55] <dmick> don't know off the top of my head [06:04:24] <dmick> that, of course, is a SPARC machine [06:04:40] <Tekni> it should support serial console, but i don't think it has any kind of LOM [06:05:16] <delewis> well, my pSeries has LOM, but it's quite primitive -- only accessible via serial, but you can do console redirection to the other serial port which might be connetected to a modem that an IBM tech is connected to see the output or work with the system [06:05:19] <paxc> dmick : sparc with sparc-ii processor [06:05:25] <delewis> of course, it's 6 years old :-) [06:05:26] <paxc> but I dont know if support [06:05:29] <delewis> well, almost 7, anyway. [06:06:02] <dmick> paxc: no. [06:06:13] <dmick> that's a lower-end desktop [06:06:24] <dmick> not designed for remotability at all [06:06:58] <paxc> Solaris could be do it [06:07:13] <dmick> paxc: sorry, don't understand [06:07:29] *** tico26 has joined #opensolaris [06:09:22] <Gman> dmick, just downloading multi-gnome-terminal to check [06:09:40] <dmick> I have it, and can't figure out how to build it, or where it might interface with the X resource stuff at all [06:10:00] * Gman will give it a go [06:10:30] <paxc> dmick : activate [06:10:31] <paxc> Causes ipmitool to enter Serial Over LAN mode, and is only available when using the lanplus interface. An RMCP+ connection is made to the BMC, the terminal is set to raw mode, and user input is sent to the serial console on the remote server. On exit,the the SOL payload mode is deactivated and the terminal is reset to its original settings. [06:10:40] <tico26> hey guys, if I'm new to solaris (very familiar with openbsd and linux) should I start learning an older version of solaris first or jump to opensolaris? any thoughts? [06:10:57] <dmick> Gman: it wants gnomeConf.sh [06:11:08] <Gman> heh, then it's ancient [06:11:12] <Gman> hasn't been ported to use pkgconfig [06:11:13] <dmick> paxc: yes, that's ipmitool to use SoL [06:11:29] <dmick> tico26: opensolaris is solaris [06:11:35] <dmick> and you'll get more help on current versions [06:11:52] <dmick> paxc: but SoL must be supported by the machine [06:11:54] <dmick> U-30 will not [06:12:42] <tico26> dmick - thx [06:13:31] *** gisburn has quit IRC [06:13:31] <Gman> dmick, <wmclass_class>Multi-gnome-terminal</wmclass_class> [06:13:49] <paxc> tico26 : from brazil? [06:13:53] <dmick> oh how did you do that [06:13:58] <Gman> but it would be a fricken miracle if anyone actually uses it [06:14:04] <Gman> dmick, i looked at the source :) [06:14:21] <dmick> glade! AAAA! [06:14:50] <Gman> i'd almost just remove it from the patch completely [06:14:55] <Gman> m-g-t is pretty old [06:15:06] <Gman> 2001 [06:15:20] <dmick> I hear you [06:15:23] <tico26> paxc - born in USA (Mexican parents) and live in Mexico and US [06:15:30] <tico26> paxc - why? [06:15:31] <dmick> but I'm just trying to be under the most radar beams I can be [06:15:40] <Gman> nod [06:15:51] <dmick> Eterm is "Eterm" [06:15:51] <dmick> mlterm is "mlterm" [06:15:52] *** ServRITE has joined #opensolaris [06:16:00] <ServRITE> dayum [06:16:03] <dmick> so just looking for KTerm now [06:16:31] *** clee has quit IRC [06:16:36] <paxc> tico26 : tico seens like brazilian name :) [06:18:12] <delewis> awesome [06:18:13] <tico26> paxc -- ahh -- it's a common spanish nickname especially for people from Costa Rica [06:18:21] <delewis> looks like the FreeBSD ZFS port has made significant progress [06:18:28] <delewis> according to an update on the zfs-discuss list [06:18:49] <dmick> Gman: I can't even find kterm sources [06:20:24] <dmick> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kterm/kterm_6.2.0.orig.tar.gz, maybe [06:21:07] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [06:21:41] *** paxc has quit IRC [06:21:55] <dmick> Gman: in a .ad file: [06:21:56] <dmick> KTerm.JoinSession:False [06:22:04] <dmick> think that's proof enough that it's KTerm? [06:22:48] <dmick> if not, this is: [06:22:53] <dmick> toplevel = XtAppInitialize (&app_con, "KTerm", [06:24:51] <ServRITE> wow dude [06:25:12] <dmick> Gman: updated bug [06:26:07] <dmick> whatever you can do to smooth it through the GNOME hallways, I'd appreciate [06:26:36] <ServRITE> use plenty of lube [06:28:14] *** clee has joined #opensolaris [06:29:42] <Gman> dmick, sure thing [06:29:53] *** laca has quit IRC [06:35:23] *** Gman has quit IRC [06:35:26] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [06:35:29] *** dduvall has quit IRC [06:36:19] <ServRITE> <SPLIT> [06:37:42] *** tsoome has quit IRC [06:38:58] <yongsun> guys, do you know when will sunstudio C++ compiler will support variable-length-array? [06:39:05] *** jacotton has quit IRC [06:39:07] *** dmick has quit IRC [06:39:25] <ServRITE> Sun Studio 11 I believe [06:39:41] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [06:39:48] <elektronkind> I think the studio 11 C++ compiler supports it with the latest patches [06:39:57] *** dduvall_ has joined #opensolaris [06:40:21] *** dmick has joined #opensolaris [06:40:30] <yongsun> ServRITE, elektronkind, oh, great, I will have a try [06:40:52] *** jacotton has joined #opensolaris [06:41:48] <ServRITE> no I think I'm full of crap [06:42:42] <ServRITE> no I'm not :) [06:43:33] *** sahafeez has quit IRC [06:43:45] <ServRITE> Yes, they're definitely in Sun Studio 11 [06:43:58] <ServRITE> (in C99 only obviously, not C++). [06:44:19] <yongsun> I am using C++ 5.8 Patch 121018-02 2006/04/26, but failed to compile the C++ code with VLAs [06:44:40] <yongsun> ServRITE, yeah, C compiler does support VLA, but CC does not :( [06:46:41] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [06:46:46] <ServRITE> VLAs aren't in the C++ standard [06:46:55] <ServRITE> there are proprietary compiler extensions (e.g. from IBM) [06:46:59] <ServRITE> that do support them [06:47:44] <yongsun> ServRITE, but a lot of GNU and opensource software are using VLAs in their CPP code, [06:47:51] <ServRITE> and g++ of course [06:47:52] <ServRITE> :) [06:47:59] <ServRITE> I hear ya [06:48:04] <yongsun> it's really painful to porting them to solaris [06:48:14] <ServRITE> you're free to use g++ of course [06:48:56] *** dmick has quit IRC [06:49:05] <ServRITE> I have gcc 3.4.6 built and working fine [06:49:49] <yongsun> ServRITE, I am a Sun engineer, I want to integrate some opensource projects to solaris distribution, can I use g++? [06:50:08] <yongsun> ServRITE, I don't think so [06:50:41] <ServRITE> well, I'm not aware of any restrictions in sfw [06:50:50] <ServRITE> it's part of the build machine [06:50:57] *** dduvall_ has quit IRC [06:51:03] *** Gman has quit IRC [06:51:14] <yongsun> ServRITE, I see, thank you for the info. :) [06:51:19] *** jacotton has quit IRC [06:51:34] <yongsun> ServRITE, are you working for compiler project? [06:51:37] <yongsun> btw [06:51:41] <ServRITE> nope [06:51:46] <jteo> morn. 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[08:15:17] <bank__> :) [08:31:36] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [08:45:50] *** alanc-away has joined #opensolaris [08:47:31] *** alanc has joined #opensolaris [08:54:03] *** alanc-away has quit IRC [08:59:45] *** Cyrille has joined #opensolaris [09:03:16] *** slowhog has quit IRC [09:08:37] *** gregp has left #opensolaris [09:14:23] *** fgd has joined #opensolaris [09:18:49] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [09:22:24] *** Cyl has joined #opensolaris [09:22:42] <Cyl> does anyone here have a x2200 [09:22:45] <Cyl> :) [09:23:11] <Cyl> or maybe an x2100 [09:24:00] <Cyl> I'm having problems configuring the Service Processor on the x2200 and need some guidance [09:25:35] *** gleaken has quit IRC [09:25:42] *** gleaken has joined #opensolaris [09:49:10] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [09:54:54] *** bunker_work has joined #opensolaris [10:21:02] *** bank__ has quit IRC [10:23:39] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [10:24:04] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [10:26:47] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar [10:34:37] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:47:37] *** jcea has left #opensolaris [10:49:38] *** ProfMikey has joined #opensolaris [10:56:23] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [10:58:50] <raph_ael> hello [11:03:14] *** miffe has quit IRC [11:03:45] *** Tpenta has left #opensolaris [11:08:44] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris [11:12:27] <Berny> has anyone tsuccessfully ried the sun device detection tool yet? [11:13:22] <Berny> i'm running it on sol10x86 for like the last hour without anything happening... truss looks like it is looping like hell [11:15:21] <quasi> heh, http://blogs.sun.com/SC/entry/project_orangebox [11:16:22] <ProfMikey> lol, quasi [11:16:57] *** axxl has quit IRC [11:23:21] <kimc> good morning [11:24:50] *** yongsun has quit IRC [11:25:32] *** Cyl has quit IRC [11:25:32] *** [1]Cyl is now known as Cyl [11:26:41] <kimc> is there a link to the Sun device detection tool ? [11:27:44] <Berny> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/device_detect.html [11:31:15] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [11:32:31] <Vanuatoo> If I try to write iso file using nautilus write to cd feature, how it will be written? [11:32:31] <Vanuatoo> as data file or be burnt [11:32:31] *** alobbs has joined #opensolaris [11:33:56] <kimc> Berny: It displays an information box indicating the tool only runs on Solaris 10 ..this machine is running Opensolaris b49 [11:52:41] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [11:55:42] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [11:56:01] *** doownek has quit IRC [11:56:32] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [11:57:13] *** doownek has joined #opensolaris [12:10:35] *** paxc has joined #opensolaris [12:10:59] <paxc> sup [12:18:29] *** LordKing has quit IRC [12:19:09] *** LordKing has joined #opensolaris [12:19:44] *** uebayasi has joined #opensolaris [12:22:31] <kimc> sup dog [12:27:11] *** paulproteus has quit IRC [12:32:08] *** kloczek has joined #opensolaris [12:33:56] *** kloczek has quit IRC [12:34:25] *** klocze1 has joined #opensolaris [12:37:30] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [12:38:50] *** nwf has quit IRC [12:46:12] *** sickness has quit IRC [12:47:02] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [12:58:00] *** doownek has quit IRC [12:59:44] *** doownek has joined #opensolaris [13:10:01] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [13:12:40] *** sickness has quit IRC [13:13:28] *** SymmDC has joined #opensolaris [13:14:06] <SymmDC> hrm [13:14:07] <SymmDC> anyone awake? [13:14:17] <jmcp> ssshhhhh not me [13:14:31] <jmcp> SymmDC: come on, it's friday evening [13:14:37] <SymmDC> jmcp any reason why solaris 10 would bitch that it couldnt find a screen on bootup [13:14:38] <jmcp> everybody who has a life is out doing something [13:14:44] <SymmDC> actually its friday lunch time :p [13:14:46] <jmcp> cos your xorg config is wrong [13:14:55] <jmcp> SymmDC: you're like 8 hours behind :) [13:16:50] <jmcp> yay! I got centos3.8 installed in my lx zone [13:16:53] <jmcp> now to install picasa [13:17:07] <SymmDC> hrm jmcp this is long before it gets to trying to start X [13:18:13] <jmcp> oh [13:18:18] <jmcp> what other info can you give me? [13:19:54] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [13:24:12] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [13:34:08] *** Darwin_ has joined #opensolaris [13:34:21] *** gm152 has quit IRC [13:41:22] *** sickness has joined #opensolaris [13:42:48] *** wesw has joined #opensolaris [13:46:19] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [13:48:02] *** Darwin has quit IRC [13:49:34] <SymmDC> sorry jmcp for going quiet [13:49:40] <SymmDC> I was attempting to get serial console going [13:49:41] <SymmDC> and boot that way [13:50:01] <SymmDC> umm its solaris x86, on an intel dual core server using the woodbridge style motherboards [13:51:14] <SymmDC> exact error is "consconfig: no screens found" [13:51:21] <SymmDC> then it says "cannot find driver for console framebuffer" [13:51:27] <SymmDC> and eats crap and dies [13:53:51] <PerterB> my guess (and it's just a guess) is that the serial console stuff in your BIOS is emulating the screen in a weird way that the Solaris installer doesn't recognise... [13:54:18] <SymmDC> hrm, I disabled the the console redirect same thing hrmmm *ponders* [13:54:22] <SymmDC> lemme go play in the bios [13:54:23] <PerterB> oh [13:55:10] <SymmDC> boom, I got it booting off serial console :p heh how do I set its serial console speed btw [13:55:39] *** _Hunger- has joined #opensolaris [13:57:17] <jmcp> 9600 8 n 1 [13:57:26] <jmcp> SymmDC: set that in the bios, and you should be ok [13:57:45] <SymmDC> heh yeah thats default, I wanna know if I can speed it up :) [13:57:50] <jmcp> nope [13:57:55] <jmcp> at least, not that I know of [13:57:56] <SymmDC> 9600 bps = slow as hell :p [13:58:01] <jmcp> yes, but it's a standard [13:58:12] <SymmDC> :) yeah *laugh* first thing I do on all my ciscos though is switch it up :p [13:58:31] <SymmDC> but its fine :) [13:58:40] <SymmDC> I can live with it :) [13:59:19] <SymmDC> ergh [13:59:28] <SymmDC> on boot it gives me a shitload of errors about my e1000g network cards [13:59:35] <SymmDC> WARNING: pci8086,1079 - e1000g[2] : Could not identify hardware [13:59:40] <PerterB> you can edit the grub command line to speed it up, eg kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot -B console=ttya,ttya-mode="115200,8,n,1,-" ...so grub willl run at 9600 then when the kernel boots it'll flip to 115200 and you need to change your terminal settings [13:59:42] <SymmDC> heh I get like 10 of those [14:00:04] <SymmDC> Attempting to configure interface e1000g10... [14:00:05] <SymmDC> wtf [14:00:12] <SymmDC> :p it claims it sees like 10 of them [14:00:38] <SymmDC> heh attempting to configure e1000g9 and e1000g10 :p dunno where the hell it sees 1 -> 8 :p [14:01:04] * SymmDC is more worried about what it sees harddrive wise though [14:02:02] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [14:02:12] <asyd> s 10 [14:02:14] <asyd> oups [14:08:26] <SymmDC> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [14:08:31] <SymmDC> solaris doesnt see my raid controller [14:09:16] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:10:37] *** Hunger- has quit IRC [14:11:01] <oxygene> SymmDC: what kind of raid is it? [14:11:05] *** uebayasi has quit IRC [14:11:39] <jmcp> SymmDC: lsi raid? [14:12:36] *** jonkelle__ has quit IRC [14:12:39] <SymmDC> its an lsi [14:12:43] <SymmDC> lsi megaraid [14:13:47] <oxygene> softraid? disable raid feature, then it might show up as ata controller [14:14:30] <SymmDC> oxygene so disable raid and then software raid the disks? [14:15:48] <oxygene> yes [14:19:08] <SymmDC> hrm doesnt work, the drives hang off the lsi controller, it cant see them irrespective of it I run them as physical drives or logical drives [14:19:24] <SymmDC> 2 many drives to run in that system without the controller as well [14:20:09] *** mkhl has joined #opensolaris [14:26:19] *** Ireul has joined #opensolaris [14:26:43] *** yognix has quit IRC [14:30:33] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:30:52] <kimc> helloo.. [14:31:41] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [14:32:12] <kimc> there are LSI Megaraid drivers here: http://www.sun.com/download/products.xml?id=431fd1be [14:32:32] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [14:34:37] <SymmDC> kimc yeah I saw that [14:34:40] <SymmDC> but how exactly do I use those [14:34:41] <SymmDC> its an ITU boot disk [14:34:47] <SymmDC> and I dont have a floppy drive in this achine [14:35:15] <SymmDC> and there is no way I can get one in this machine, its a 2U server case thats well, very very full [14:35:23] <SymmDC> if you can tell me how to use it though :) [14:35:48] <kimc> right.. i don't remember seeing an option during the installation process to 'install device drivers' [14:35:49] *** peteh has quit IRC [14:35:55] <jmcp> got a usb-attached cdrom? [14:36:26] <SymmDC> jmcp got a dvd reader in the machine itself [14:36:37] <jmcp> are you netbooting or media-booting? [14:36:45] <SymmDC> booting off a dvd [14:36:55] <jmcp> hmm [14:37:09] *** ericr has quit IRC [14:37:15] <jmcp> I *think* you can eject the media to load an ITU, but I don't know for sure [14:37:19] *** ericr has joined #opensolaris [14:37:23] *** pseudo__ has quit IRC [14:37:42] <SymmDC> hrm could I not just ftp the itu onto the machine [14:37:49] <SymmDC> and restart the installation proggy [14:38:02] <jmcp> I don't think so [14:38:13] <SymmDC> cause I can definately quit the installation program to a prompt [14:38:34] <SymmDC> hrm [14:38:36] * SymmDC plays [14:38:49] <kimc> is there a way to integrate additional device drivers into a jumpstart ? [14:39:12] <LeftWing> Modify the miniroot, perhaps? [14:39:42] <SymmDC> hrm [14:39:43] <SymmDC> I got an idea [14:39:47] <SymmDC> I'll san boot this machine [14:40:07] <SymmDC> oh wait, I cant do that either, solaris wont see the san hba without OTHER drivers [14:40:09] <SymmDC> ARGH [14:40:14] <kimc> so some of the network interfaces work ? [14:40:27] <SymmDC> the network interfaces work yeah [14:40:43] <SymmDC> its the raid interface that doesnt [14:40:57] <SymmDC> and the qlogic HBAs wont come up without a driver [14:41:00] <SymmDC> the e1000 drivers work [14:41:04] <jmcp> you could try adding the relevant san drivers to the miniroot which you netboot [14:41:07] <jmcp> pxeboot, rather [14:41:33] <LeftWing> PXE, best BIOS hack ever. ;P [14:41:49] <SymmDC> hrm ok now I gotta figure out how to setup a pxe boot on another linux machine to put the image somewhere [14:42:12] <LeftWing> NFS on Solaris on VMware on Linux? ;P [14:42:32] * SymmDC tries one more thing [14:43:05] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [14:43:13] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [14:43:14] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [14:44:04] <bank__> hi [14:45:36] <bank__> I search for mysql_config on non-global zone but There no mysql_config in /usr/sbin /usr/bin. [14:46:00] <bank__> I try to install phpmyadmin that need mysqli extension .. [14:46:09] <bank__> but I would like to have mysql on another global zone. [14:46:47] <bank__> but this situation it seem like I must install mysql on the same zone as apache [14:47:08] <kimc> cool [14:47:17] <bank__> :O .. kimc? [14:47:25] <kimc> hi bank [14:47:32] <bank__> hi kimc [14:47:58] <kimc> do you could not get phpmyadmin to work ? [14:48:16] <bank__> yes. because they need mysqlextension support. [14:48:35] <bank__> it seem like I need to .configure --mysql = ... when I install php. [14:48:41] <bank__> and that said I need mysql_config. [14:48:42] <kimc> do you mean extension on apache ? [14:48:59] <bank__> I think it is extension on php [14:49:04] <kimc> ok [14:49:20] <lasseoe> /usr/sfw/bin [14:49:28] <bank__> which mysql_config [14:49:29] <lasseoe> or what LeftWing said :) [14:49:36] <bank__> no mysql_config in /usr/sbin /usr/bin [14:49:42] <LeftWing> /usr/sfw/bin [14:50:01] <bank__> oh i c it. [14:50:09] <LeftWing> Uh huh. [14:50:09] <bank__> so I need to ./configure on php again. [14:50:13] <bank__> thank you. [14:50:17] <bank__> another question please [14:50:23] <LeftWing> Do go on. [14:50:33] <bank__> modify php.ini on global zone is not effect to each local zone? [14:50:38] *** raph_ael has quit IRC [14:50:39] <lasseoe> no [14:50:45] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [14:51:02] <lasseoe> well, depends on where php.ini is and if it's a shared resource [14:51:05] <bank__> I add session.savepath=/tmp [14:51:13] <bank__> in php.ini in localzone [14:51:13] <LeftWing> Depends on whether you're inherit-pkg-sharing-ing your php.ini into the local zones. [14:51:16] *** axxl has joined #opensolaris [14:51:30] <bank__> no. I didn't [14:52:02] <LeftWing> Well if you have a separate php.ini in each zone, then the php.ini for the global zone will only affect the global zone. [14:52:24] *** MattAFC is now known as MattMan [14:52:25] <bank__> Do you know why session.save_path="/tmp" doesn't work? [14:52:58] <LeftWing> Unfortunately I don't. Are you putting the php.ini in the correct path? [14:53:14] <bank__> I think .. it is correct .. because ... phpinfo is working? [14:53:20] <SymmDC> hrm, how do I setup a pxe boot on a solaris machine if I have a spare one [14:53:42] <bank__> find / -name php.ini [14:53:45] <SymmDC> and then where do I get a miniroot that I can modify and add drivers to :) [14:54:09] <bank__> it is at /etc/apache2/php.ini [14:54:25] <bank__> (non-global) [14:54:31] <bank__> for global it is at /tank/local/php-5.1.6/php.ini [14:54:52] <bank__> wow. yes I install php at php-5.1.6 [14:55:01] <bank__> but I non-global zone. where can I place the php.ini? [14:55:15] <lasseoe> bank, try #php [14:55:40] <bank__> oh. ok sorry thank you. [14:55:45] <SymmDC> aahhhh [14:55:52] <SymmDC> on the boot up of the dvd [14:55:59] <SymmDC> its got this [14:56:00] <SymmDC> Enter the number of your choice. [14:56:00] <SymmDC> Selected: 5 [14:56:00] <SymmDC> Apply driver updates [14:56:00] <SymmDC> Insert media and enter media type: [14:56:00] <SymmDC> Floppy [f], CD/DVD [c] or End [e] [14:56:16] <LeftWing> End is my favourite. [14:56:17] <SymmDC> so now my only question is, with that floppy image and not having a floppy disk in the machine [14:56:24] <SymmDC> how the hell do I get it onto a cd so I can use that :p [14:56:37] <LeftWing> lofi mount the floppy image and copy stuff off? [14:56:39] <SymmDC> cause you cant burn 1.4meg to a cd :p the cd will break :p [14:56:52] <kimc> maybe the motherboard has a floppy controller on it [14:56:55] <LeftWing> Driver floppies should be UFS-formatted if memory serves. [14:57:28] <bank__> I never uninstall software before .. Do I need to remove php out before make , make install again? [14:57:48] <LeftWing> jmcp probably knows more about driver floppies than I, however. ;P [14:57:53] <jmcp> :| [14:57:54] <kimc> you could have the floopy drive hanging from the ribbon cable.. [14:58:07] <jmcp> LeftWing: no, they can be pcfs-formatted [14:58:10] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [14:58:15] <LeftWing> jmcp: Neato! =) [15:00:04] <lasseoe> It should, not that it currently is to my knowledge, be possible to do driver updates from USB devices, that'd be a lot easier [15:00:33] *** raph_ael has joined #opensolaris [15:00:34] <LeftWing> I prefer to derive my driver updates from the aether. [15:00:35] <SymmDC> lasseoe nah it asks you floppy or cd, gonna see if I can mount that floppy image and copy it onto a cd [15:06:22] *** Ireul has quit IRC [15:07:34] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [15:08:25] <SymmDC> hrm [15:08:26] <SymmDC> ok question [15:08:43] <SymmDC> if I burn this floppy image contents to a cd [15:08:50] <SymmDC> with just enough crap to make the cd burnable and usable [15:08:56] <SymmDC> any particular format I need to burn it or anything [15:09:31] <jmcp> iso9660, just like normal [15:11:58] <richlowe> was the above meant to include 'bootable'? [15:11:59] <SymmDC> heh just burnt hte du directory from the floppy now will see what happens [15:12:03] <richlowe> if so, there's more to it. [15:12:08] <richlowe> jmcp: mornin' [15:12:13] <jmcp> hi richlowe [15:12:18] <SymmDC> shouldnt need to be bootable [15:12:21] <richlowe> or, uh, "not morning" [15:12:23] <SymmDC> the boot off the dvd has a driver update option :) [15:12:59] <richlowe> jmcp: feel like answering a stupid question? :) [15:13:04] <jmcp> just a sec .... [15:14:33] <jmcp> richlowe: ask away [15:14:55] *** jonkelle_ has quit IRC [15:15:04] *** jonkelle_ has joined #opensolaris [15:15:23] *** ericr has quit IRC [15:16:38] *** razrX has joined #opensolaris [15:17:36] *** ericr has joined #opensolaris [15:19:56] <SymmDC> Floppy [f], CD/DVD [c] or End [e] [15:19:56] <SymmDC> c [15:19:56] <SymmDC> CD/DVD not found [15:19:58] <SymmDC> ARGHHHHHHHHHH [15:20:00] <SymmDC> wtf :p [15:29:23] *** Symmetria has quit IRC [15:30:02] <paxc> SymmDC : are you france? [15:31:35] <jmcp> paxc: no, SymmDC is in .za - South Africa [15:32:27] <Cyrille> he didn't ask if he was *in* france, just if he was france (whatever that means) ;-) [15:32:58] * jmcp gets the pedant bucket for Cyrille [15:34:06] <Cyrille> :-) [15:35:38] *** vmhobbes has quit IRC [15:37:16] *** vmhobbes has joined #OpenSolaris [15:39:00] <SymmDC> heh ok [15:39:05] <SymmDC> now Im getting somewhere [15:39:16] * SymmDC installs a pxe boot server on a spare machine and hacks the miniroot to include this driver [15:39:17] <SymmDC> :p [15:42:46] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [15:46:53] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [15:48:58] *** wesw has quit IRC [15:49:17] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [15:51:34] *** Ireul has joined #opensolaris [15:55:00] *** bank__ has quit IRC [15:56:20] *** bank_k has joined #opensolaris [15:56:45] <bank_k> err sorry. I lost the irc history while I out to luch. [15:56:54] <bank_k> where does the mysql-config located? 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[18:02:58] <delewis> axisys: pmap [18:03:23] *** gdamore has joined #opensolaris [18:03:28] <delewis> axisys: that's the RSS size? [18:03:29] <gdamore> hi * [18:03:41] <delewis> (I hope not) [18:03:44] <delewis> greetings, gdamore [18:04:16] <axisys> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EvmaHE69.html [18:04:25] <axisys> pmap shows most in anon [18:04:26] * delewis wishes his bankw ould already activate his online banking account :-( [18:04:29] <delewis> slow bastards. [18:04:45] <delewis> axisys: that was to be expected [18:04:56] <wilbury> you didn't have it activated just right along with the account as such ? [18:05:22] <delewis> no, you have to request to have it activated ad hoc, and then they have to activate it manually. [18:05:30] <wilbury> weird [18:05:36] <axisys> delewis: no problem there ? [18:05:47] <axisys> delewis: in metacity that is [18:06:09] <wilbury> last time i was in the US people wondered that my bank is sending me SMS to mobile phone with every operation on the account -> credit, debit [18:06:32] <delewis> our banks are slow when it comes to that sort of thing [18:06:34] <wilbury> and many times the sms arrived sooner than the clerk returned the card back to me [18:06:40] <axisys> delewis: prstat -u size shows http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bmeYmi12.html [18:06:41] <delewis> it may take a day or so to even show up on the statement [18:07:17] <delewis> axisys: why are you surprised that metacity is bloated? :-) [18:07:22] <gdamore> wow. axisys, thanks for making my point about metacity. :-) [18:07:33] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [18:07:35] *** BR_ has joined #opensolaris [18:07:54] <axisys> delewis, gdamore i guess i should have users to switch to CDE ?! [18:08:01] <wilbury> BR_: yo [18:08:03] <gdamore> or xfce. [18:08:06] <axisys> most are using JDS [18:08:16] <delewis> axisys: definitely, if you plan on doing Sun Ray or just any other light-weight WM. [18:08:19] <axisys> gdamore: or xfce probly.. :-) [18:08:22] <gdamore> frankly, i think xfce is more friendly/modern, and is as light weight as CDE [18:08:27] <BR_> Hey all, I have a ZFS question, we are currently in the progress of migrating some data from UFS to ZFS and I am noticing the utilisation of the caches on my disk arrays has gone right down. can anyone explain to me why this is? [18:08:30] <BR_> wilbury: lo [18:08:36] <delewis> JDS just isn't suited for multi-user systems like a Sun Ray server, *despite* the vast performance improvements by the JDS team. [18:09:04] <axisys> delewis: is there a CSW pkg for xfce? [18:09:07] <gdamore> if its current incarnation is "much improved", then it says alot about how bloated Gnome/JDS was _before_ [18:09:22] <gdamore> axisys: yes, I use it. [18:09:27] <gdamore> pkg-get -i xfce4 [18:09:28] <delewis> I was being sarcastic, you know. :-) [18:09:59] <axisys> gdamore: i will test out on my ultra 20 before installing it on V440 my sunray server [18:10:00] * delewis recalls the fellow that blogged about improving some aspect of JDS by 0.12%. [18:10:15] <delewis> performance-wise [18:10:18] * gdamore thinks that jds is the sole reason that current solaris requires 512MB minimum [18:10:25] <delewis> I forget whether it was memory foot-print or some processing task. [18:10:26] *** jonkelle has joined #opensolaris [18:10:31] <axisys> goal is to move to T2000 from V440 [18:10:45] <gdamore> ooooh.... .12%. I could probably run a whole xfce4 session in .12% of a jds session. :-) [18:10:46] <delewis> axisys: won't make a difference as far as JDS is concerned [18:10:51] <delewis> in fact the T2000 would be better for a Sun Ray server, generally. [18:10:57] <gdamore> delewis++ [18:11:12] <axisys> gdamore: cool.. we just received the T2000.. [18:11:12] <gdamore> fwiw, I run xfce4 on my U20, running S10 3/05. rock solid. [18:11:26] <delewis> axisys: oh, I got that mixed up [18:11:29] * stevel runs JDS on his w2100z [18:11:30] <axisys> gdamore: i am running sol 10 u2 on both u20 and 440 [18:11:32] <stevel> it's rock solid for me :) [18:11:33] <delewis> I thought you were moving from a v440 to a T2000 [18:11:42] <delewis> stevel: note that I said "multi-user" systems. [18:11:43] <delewis> like a Sun Ray server [18:11:49] <axisys> stevel: w/ sunray ? [18:11:52] <richlowe> stevel: rhythmbox [18:11:56] <gdamore> me too. the T2000 is a much better Sun Ray server, I think. [18:11:56] <richlowe> rock what now? ;) [18:12:11] <stevel> axisys: nope, single user - but our SunRay servers here run JDS [18:12:26] <delewis> stevel: what is performance like? and do you know how large the systems are? [18:12:27] <axisys> stevel: how does the prstat -s rss looks like [18:12:30] <stevel> richlowe: okay to be fair, i *did* grab vermillion_52 packages [18:12:34] <stevel> :) [18:12:35] <axisys> stevel: here is ours http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/bmeYmi12.html [18:12:56] <axisys> stevel: we using v440 w/ 4 cpus and 16G [18:13:26] <stevel> largest RSS i have is thunderbird @ 139M [18:13:43] <axisys> maan.. the update manager always hang .. only tested on my u20 w/ sol 10 u2 [18:13:53] <axisys> stevel: wow! [18:14:08] <axisys> stevel: no java app running? [18:14:11] <gdamore> oh, firefox is much bigger than that on my system. one of the reasons I hate firefox. [18:14:19] <stevel> axisys: java is #2 @ 114M [18:14:29] <gdamore> but I've not found a suitable replacement for ffox. [18:14:33] <stevel> delewis: i think the sun ray servers are v880s [18:14:36] <stevel> i'm not sure though [18:15:01] <axisys> gdamore: some people say opera has less footprint.. did not use ut [18:15:03] <gdamore> when i was working at Sun, the SR servers in the San Diego office were E10k domains [18:15:04] <axisys> *it [18:15:19] <gdamore> opera does have a much smaller footprint, but is no where near as stable [18:15:29] <axisys> gdamore: gotcha. [18:15:36] <stevel> delewis: yup, the two sunray servers i just logged into are v880 (8-way with 32gigs) [18:15:55] <BR_> anyone care to have a stab at my ZFS question before I idle off for the night? :) [18:16:18] <axisys> stevel: still puzzled how you manage to have such smaller memory footprint on java apps [18:16:44] <stevel> actually i don't even know what java app i'm running [18:16:50] <richlowe> bugster. [18:16:57] <stevel> nope, don't have bugster open right now [18:17:02] <gdamore> funny thing happened in a meeting today. a manager suggested we consider moving our sun ray application from netbsd to solaris on x86 hardware. i hate to think what the -minimum- memory requirement of solaris x86 is. [18:17:06] <richlowe> ah well, it was worth a guess. [18:17:13] <stevel> webconsole [18:17:18] <gdamore> the thin client runs in a 64mb machine right now with lots of free memory to spare (under netbsd) [18:17:34] <richlowe> gdamore: minimum for a real install is 256 [18:17:39] <richlowe> if you customize it, you can bring it down. [18:17:46] <richlowe> (cut stuff out of the boot archive) [18:17:58] <richlowe> actually, I think post-install it's less than 256 naturally. [18:18:22] <gdamore> i kinda don't think it will happen. we have done a lot of work like bringing bluetooth to netbsd, that would be hard to reproduce on solaris [18:18:29] <gdamore> s/hard/expensive/ [18:18:39] <axisys> delewis: i guess instead of upgrading memory on v440 we will just build the T2000 and swap [18:18:44] <richlowe> ... it'd be nice to see bluetooth support on Solaris. [18:18:47] <sickness> does a thing like "software" sun ray client exist? no way? :') [18:18:50] <gdamore> yeah, i'd like to do it. [18:18:56] <richlowe> sickness: iirc, gdamore has one. [18:18:59] <hell`> axisys, or use another WM [18:19:06] <richlowe> well, tadpole, not gdamore personally. [18:19:06] <sickness> oh [18:19:10] <gdamore> it exists, but will never be something anyone can access or purchase without being locked to hardware [18:19:11] <sickness> gdamore: can you name it? :) [18:19:16] <sickness> oh [18:19:21] <axisys> hell`: yep [18:19:22] <sickness> so never mind :/ [18:19:26] <Sporq> any of you know if its possible to have an automount within another automount? [18:19:27] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:19:32] <sickness> I was meaning an "available" client :) [18:19:49] <gdamore> yeah. Sun won't ever let that happen. Our license with them explicitly prohibits it. [18:19:49] <Sporq> ie /usr/location1 is and automount, then /usr/location1/locations2 is another automout? [18:19:59] <oxygene> richlowe: planning it already [18:20:40] <sickness> gdamore: because sun doesn't want, or because sun ray software is not sun ip ? [18:20:57] *** Darwin_ is now known as Darwin [18:21:33] <gdamore> because sun doesn't want it. sun ray is 100% sun ip, except for the contributions that come from Tadpole. [18:22:01] <gdamore> (there is a fair bit of Tadpole innovation in the current Sun source tree) [18:22:16] <sickness> k [18:22:34] <gdamore> (most of which gdamore is responsible for creating, so take that with a grain of salt. :-) [18:22:41] <oxygene> hmm.. what if some "real" Xrdp existed.. could that convince sun to get into that game? ;) [18:22:58] <gdamore> maybe. I doubt it thought. [18:23:01] <gdamore> though. [18:23:33] <oxygene> the only project I've seen is "vnc-to-rdp" translation.. ie. bitmaps in a somewhat more compact format [18:23:40] <oxygene> (for Xrdp, that is) [18:24:00] <gdamore> Sun Ray has a bunch of features besides just the "xterminal" feature. e.g. remote device access, VPN support, Smart Card integration, low bandwidth enhancements, etc. [18:24:05] <gdamore> not mention session mobiilty [18:24:08] <gdamore> mobility [18:24:24] <richlowe> yeah, that's why we all want a software client :) [18:24:34] <richlowe> well, I want my ray1 to not be dead, but a software client would work too [18:24:41] <sickness> is audio also integrated in a better way than the esd thing? [18:24:42] <oxygene> sounds familiar.. rdp provides all this, too, or not? [18:24:45] <gdamore> yes. [18:24:56] <gdamore> not. [18:24:57] <oxygene> sickness: audio is some daemon and AUDIODEV environment variable [18:25:04] <sickness> k [18:25:35] <gdamore> no, audio is handled in the protocol. there is a daemon that forwards it from the SR server to the client, using RDP protocol [18:26:21] <gdamore> s/RDP/SRP/ obviously it isn't "RDP". its the closed sun ray protocol [18:30:57] <axisys> anyone experience update manager hang ? it hangs a lot for me.. trying to install a generic patch on my u 20 [18:31:00] *** MattMan has quit IRC [18:31:21] <axisys> sitting in same stage for a whole day [18:33:45] <opSuse> In order to know to which filesystem type /work , for example.belong , you run df -T /work in linux ; what should you do in solaris to know to which filesystem type /work belong? [18:34:22] *** peteh has quit IRC [18:36:45] <richlowe> df -n [18:37:24] <opSuse> thnks !these differences ... oooffff, why ??? [18:37:45] <Darwin> cuz linux sucks [18:37:49] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [18:38:07] <richlowe> opSuse: decades of stupidity on all sides. [18:38:13] <richlowe> or did you want a more optimistic answer? :) [18:38:28] <Cyrille> I thought that was the optimistic answer... [18:38:59] <opSuse> I want the real ... answer: df is coreutils [18:39:10] <opSuse> this is part of gnu , right? [18:39:29] <opSuse> or is it that sun uses different coreutils ? [18:39:37] <opSuse> different than gnu coreutils? [18:39:42] <richlowe> While df is POSIX, it's exceptionally under specified. [18:39:48] <richlowe> And no, not GNU coreutils. [18:39:50] <richlowe> not even close. [18:39:55] <richlowe> System V. [18:40:47] <opSuse> I see; and if I will make a try and take the coreutil tart [18:41:11] <opSuse> tar file and try to build it on solaris - it will not pass the configure stage ? [18:41:18] <opSuse> or fail in make ? [18:41:35] <opSuse> or will not work right? just wondering... 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[19:10:04] <myrkraverk> but it's not on b.o.o yet - the ID is 6486840 [19:10:13] <myrkraverk> (I think) [19:10:29] <richlowe> myrkraverk: you'll get the ID when the notification gets forwarded to you (manually) [19:10:31] <myrkraverk> richlowe: well, it appears someon approvide it, to me at least ;P [19:10:40] <richlowe> myrkraverk: it's visible on b.o.o when b.o.o syncs up (daily-ish) [19:10:47] <richlowe> myrkraverk: the current system is broken. :) [19:11:07] <myrkraverk> richlowe: ok, well the ID has been forwarded to me - hopefully it gets fixed soon [19:12:11] <kimc> i just tried to lookup 6486893 an iscsi bug and couldn't find it [19:12:11] <richlowe> myrkraverk: you file, bugs-by-mail puts it in bt2 with a fake submitter, you in hook6, and cat: opensolaris/triage-queue. at some point it gets refiled (probably to the cat/subcat you specified), then the fake submitter gets the notification (linda bernal, generally), forwards it back to the 'real' submitter manually, ie, you. :) [19:12:12] <myrkraverk> richlowe: do you have any idea how long it might take to fix e1000g ? [19:12:51] <myrkraverk> richlowe: well, I *do* have a fwd from linba [19:12:54] <richlowe> at least, that's how I think it works. someone will correct me if not, no doubt. [19:12:55] <myrkraverk> *linda [19:14:18] <myrkraverk> richlowe: yes, the system is bad - I have no way to know *when* bug 6431317 was fixed - only when it was filed (which is essentially the same problem, it seems, just another NIC) [19:15:02] <richlowe> August 18th, 10am. [19:15:41] <myrkraverk> richlowe: how do you know? [19:15:55] <richlowe> looked through the putback logs for it. :) [19:16:07] <myrkraverk> richlowe: what's that? [19:16:17] <richlowe> well, in this case, the mercurial log. [19:16:22] <richlowe> hg log -k <CR ID> [19:16:44] <richlowe> but yes, b.o.o should show you when the state was changed. [19:16:51] <myrkraverk> (ok, that probably won't work for me (no internet on my sol box, you see)) [19:16:53] <richlowe> there's even more stupid brokeness around that area, though. [19:17:05] <richlowe> but I did this rant yesterday, so I'll stop :) [19:17:11] <myrkraverk> richlowe: ;) [19:17:42] <myrkraverk> now - can I use some usb thingy for network - in the mean time? - I'm not sure my cardbus is supported ;/ [19:18:43] <myrkraverk> I mean, are there usb network thingies - and do they work in solaris? [19:19:00] <gdamore> hmm... what does xpg/posix say about supporting "additional" options, e.g. is it okay if /usr/xpg4/bin/id grows a "-a" option? [19:19:17] <delewis> gdamore: absolutely [19:19:29] <delewis> as long as -a isn't defined in POSIX spec to do something different [19:19:46] * gdamore doesn't have a copy of the POSIX spec handy [19:19:57] <delewis> http://www.unix.org/single_unix_specification/ [19:20:02] <myrkraverk> can someone please reccommend something else than installing linux for me to get some sort of network? [19:20:32] <icon> myrkraverk: what is your problem? [19:20:51] *** kman___ has joined #opensolaris [19:20:58] <myrkraverk> icon: the e1000g driver doesn't work for me 8086,1000 card [19:21:06] <delewis> gdamore: POSIX does not define -a [19:21:44] <myrkraverk> icon: an usb network to my linux box will do, for now [19:21:51] <delewis> though, id -G looks to do what id -a would [19:22:02] <delewis> (sort of) [19:22:14] <gdamore> thanks. i'm looking at it now. [19:22:15] <icon> well [19:22:18] <icon> you have two options [19:22:19] <delewis> id -Gn = id -a, I think. [19:22:32] <icon> you can hack the driver and submit your changes etc. [19:22:39] <gdamore> yeah, we have a -p also, that isn't defined by posix, but which id supports. [19:22:42] <icon> or you can put in another device that is supported [19:22:43] <myrkraverk> icon: e1000g isn't open [19:22:55] <icon> ahh [19:23:11] <myrkraverk> icon: yes - I'm using a laptop (that limits my "put in another device" options) [19:23:36] <stevel> grab a pcmcia network card? [19:24:01] <richlowe> wireless? [19:24:13] <axisys> (soory for repeating my question) anyone use update manager gui .. it hangs a lot for me [19:24:27] <icon> usb, pcmcia [19:24:46] <myrkraverk> stevel: don't I a) need to assert that my pcmcia stuff is supported (I seem to have a ENE CB-712/4 cardbus and b) find a supported device? [19:24:53] <icon> hit up bigadmin and look at the sun hcl [19:25:12] <myrkraverk> icon: ok [19:25:22] <icon> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ [19:25:32] <richlowe> may also be worth just trying, if you already have the card. [19:25:39] <icon> interesting [19:25:46] <icon> i thought e1kg was opened [19:26:02] <myrkraverk> richlowe: an option, but that means turning on my wireless router (or the wireless part of it) which I disabled for security reasons [19:26:19] <richlowe> I'm not sure the HCL would cover wireless stuff. [19:26:26] <richlowe> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop [19:26:33] <richlowe> somewhere under there are the drivers. :) [19:26:34] <myrkraverk> richlowe: well, I can try that driver - I guess [19:26:44] <myrkraverk> richlowe: yes, I found it :P [19:27:25] <myrkraverk> (now to find out which wifi driver to try) [19:28:28] <myrkraverk> too many of my pci devices are "unknown" to scanpic [19:28:34] <myrkraverk> *scanpci [19:30:13] <icon> myrkraverk: thats typically how laptop support goes [19:30:24] *** nwf has quit IRC [19:31:00] <myrkraverk> icon: I was hoping to be able to work on something of that - though I've never done a device driver before [19:31:18] <icon> ahh [19:31:32] <icon> ive only done pretty minor stuff for serial controllers [19:32:35] <myrkraverk> icon: I have an usb<---->serial line somewhere - which I may want to make a driver for (last time I checked, it wasn't on the HCL) [19:32:42] <alanc> myrkraverk: scanpci' [19:33:09] <alanc> myrkraverk: scanpci's device information is from a dump of pciids.sf.net built into it [19:33:29] <alanc> so devices newer than the last time that snapshot was updated are unknown [19:33:50] <alanc> the one in Solaris is currently using the snapshot distributed with X11R6.9, from last December [19:33:55] *** spackest has joined #opensolaris [19:34:22] <myrkraverk> alanc: k - so I might be able to uptade my scanpci? [19:34:26] <alanc> it'll be updated when we integrate X11R7.2, which is currently using a snapshot from the beginning of this month [19:34:38] <alanc> myrkraverk: sure - if you rebuild X yourself [19:34:53] <myrkraverk> alanc: I'm not in a hurry to do that ;) [19:34:58] <alanc> didn't think so [19:35:15] <alanc> it's unfortunately compiled into the binary, not just reading a text file you can update easily [19:35:48] <stevel> wow. [19:35:52] <stevel> this tamarack business totally worked [19:36:19] <icon> ? [19:36:45] <axisys> i guess no one here use the update manager gui [19:36:48] <Cyl> Anybody here with an x2200 [19:37:16] *** kman___ has quit IRC [19:37:39] <stevel> yay. sound-juicer finally works! [19:37:47] <myrkraverk> ifconfig: plumb: iwi0: No such file or directory <---- this means the driver is not installed, right ? [19:38:35] <icon> how about getting rhythm box compiled with daap support :) [19:38:37] *** jafari has quit IRC [19:38:46] <myrkraverk> how do I see the version of an installed package? [19:38:53] <icon> pkginfo [19:39:01] <myrkraverk> like redhat's rpm --query ? [19:39:15] <myrkraverk> thanks [19:40:06] <myrkraverk> hmmm, I have wificonfig, but no SUNWlanu - how do I find out what package that is? [19:40:08] <stevel> richlowe: i stand corrected :) rhythmbox promptly segfaulted upon inserting an audio-cd. [19:41:34] <stevel> yay. got opengrok indexing the jds and onnv repositories. [19:41:34] *** B|nTaRa has quit IRC [19:41:43] <myrkraverk> can anyone tell me how I find out the version of my installed wificonfig? [19:41:51] <alanc> axisys: update manager isn't useful on Nevada, so most people here couldn't use it [19:42:28] *** B|nTaRa has joined #opensolaris [19:42:50] <icon> does update manager even work for nevada? [19:42:55] <icon> i have yet to see any released patches on it [19:43:04] <delewis> patches aren't released for Nevada [19:43:07] <stevel> it works, as in it launches [19:43:10] <stevel> but it will never find any updates [19:43:12] <icon> thought so [19:43:20] <stevel> so alanc's choice of words "isn't useful" is probably apt :) [19:43:27] <delewis> if you want "patches," you update to the next release :-) [19:43:36] <icon> buf or update ;) [19:43:39] <icon> s/buf/bfu/ [19:43:52] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [19:45:41] <myrkraverk> ah found it (damn SUNW and then "w" "lanu") [19:46:39] *** calumb has quit IRC [19:47:24] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [19:48:12] <richlowe> stevel: what's needed to provide history for the things that don't? [19:48:19] <richlowe> stevel: SFW is the one currently springing to mind. [19:48:24] <richlowe> is it a sanitization thing, or? [19:48:33] <richlowe> (... would SFW's history *really* need sanitising?) [19:49:16] <stevel> richlowe: you mean having opengrok index files that don't currently have repositories? (nws, sfw, g11n are the 3 currently) [19:50:34] <richlowe> stevel: well, it indexed ON before a real repo was around, I guess you had your history-trimmed workspace on there. [19:50:39] <richlowe> stevel: could that be done for the others? [19:50:40] <stevel> nothing technically hard. i just need to think about how i need to setup the push-server to have people push those source files out [19:50:49] <richlowe> and in SFW's case, I don't think you'd need to trim it. [19:50:53] <richlowe> but I'd bet you were made to. :) [19:51:27] <richlowe> stevel: oh, I'm referring specifically to opengrok having access to the history, not up-to-date access in general. :) [19:51:30] <stevel> ah, they don't currently have any history viewable on cvs.opensolaris.org do they [19:51:35] * stevel didn't realise that [19:52:11] <stevel> yeah - i wrote a bunch of stuff to squelch SCCS history. that could certainly be made available for nws, g11n, and sfw - assuming they're all under SCCS [19:52:41] <richlowe> SFW shouldn't need squelching. :) [19:52:46] <stevel> no it shouldn't [19:53:04] <stevel> but i may have to :( [19:53:08] <stevel> i'll talk to bonnie and find out [19:53:12] <richlowe> are nws actually doing anything in general? [19:53:25] <richlowe> doesn't seem worth the bother if they're not [19:53:30] <stevel> i dunno. their source was last updated 20060731 [19:53:31] *** Fish has joined #opensolaris [19:53:40] <richlowe> stevel: indeed. [19:53:57] <Fish> hello [19:53:58] <stevel> problem is ensuring that the consolidation does the trimming, and that it doesn't fall upon me to have to do it :) [19:54:29] <richlowe> I guess you could be charitable and say maybe NWS doesn't change much? [19:54:39] *** klocze1 has quit IRC [19:57:24] *** xzi11a is now known as xzilla [19:59:20] *** sahafeez has joined #opensolaris [19:59:33] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [20:00:26] *** deather has quit IRC [20:01:46] *** terver has quit IRC [20:02:32] <xinkeT> i now have a successful jumpstart of nexenta [20:02:33] <myrkraverk> hmm, how do I find out what chipset 8086,1000 is? [20:03:05] <myrkraverk> ah, google ;) [20:04:33] *** nachox has quit IRC [20:07:17] <axisys> alanc: gotcha.. what do nevada use to for patch update? [20:07:42] <stevel> axisys: upgrade to the next release [20:08:51] <axisys> stevel: :-) [20:13:39] <axisys> may be i should ask in #solaris chnl?! [20:13:47] <stevel> i'm serious [20:14:39] <delewis> why release patches for a currently developed version of Solaris that will become Solaris 11? [20:16:00] <lasseoe> the next build is literally "the patch", so to speak [20:16:44] <delewis> not to mention patches are extremely difficult and time consuming to make, so release patches for previous development versions would just defer development efforts towards patch creation. [20:17:02] <lasseoe> and serves no purpose really [20:18:56] *** bengtf has quit IRC [20:23:44] *** [1]Cyl has joined #opensolaris [20:23:53] *** Risky_ has quit IRC [20:25:28] *** jcsmith has quit IRC [20:26:12] *** bengtf__ has joined #opensolaris [20:26:15] *** bengtf__ is now known as bengtf [20:29:32] <axisys> delewis: i agress.. but on prod system i need to still follow the patch upgrades [20:30:46] <gdamore> can anyone at sun verify the e-mail address of my sponsor for me? [20:31:01] <gdamore> I'm assuming that Tim Sparlin's e-mail address is tim.sparlin at sun dot com? [20:31:48] <myrkraverk> are the device driver and other development guides part of excr or do I need to download them from docs.sun.com ? [20:31:48] <delewis> axisys: you shouldn't be running Nevada on a production system [20:32:00] <gdamore> docs.sun.com [20:32:05] <myrkraverk> k [20:32:14] <delewis> Nevada is a *development* version of Solaris 11, thus "unstable", subject to change, introduction of bugs that intend to be resolved at later dates, etc. [20:32:15] <axisys> delewis: i am not .. sorry for the confusion.. [20:32:18] <delewis> oh :-) [20:32:25] <mrdeviant> tell that to the guys at joyent :P [20:32:34] <axisys> delewis: my original question was update manager on sol 10 u2 [20:32:39] <delewis> mrdeviant: the Joyent guys aren't whining for patches, though ;-) [20:32:55] <mrdeviant> true, but i still wouln't run nevada in production [20:33:01] <axisys> stevel mentioned people here usually run nevada.. hence the detour.. heh [20:33:36] <axisys> delewis: i was trying to see if anyone experience "hang" when running update maanger on sol 10 u2 [20:33:42] <delewis> axisys: yes [20:33:49] <delewis> which is why smpatch is crap :-) [20:33:56] <delewis> try pca, which accomplishes the same with a simple, little Perl script [20:34:04] <axisys> delewis: glad i am not the only one thinks that way .. heh [20:34:13] <axisys> pca? [20:34:15] <gdamore> heh. i'm planning on putting nevada "into production" as my NAS server. primarily because NFS with ZFS apparently has performance problems with S10 [20:34:22] <delewis> and not 50,000 packages of java frameworks [20:34:37] <delewis> gdamore: I haven't experienced those problems, really. [20:34:44] <axisys> delewis: exactly [20:34:45] <delewis> but then again I'm also using fibre-channel and SCSI [20:34:51] <gdamore> delewis: surely you exaggerate. it can't be more than 20-30,000 packages. [20:35:02] <delewis> gdamore: at least a CD worth :-) [20:35:04] * delewis ducks [20:35:09] <gdamore> hehe [20:35:12] <axisys> delewis: what is pca again.. sorry for the ignorance [20:35:18] <delewis> axisys: patch check advanced [20:35:20] <delewis> google for it [20:35:27] <axisys> delewis: will do now [20:35:31] <delewis> it's written by a 3rd party that isn't Sun-affiliated in any way [20:35:33] <myrkraverk> erm, how do I put zfs pool offline? [20:35:40] <delewis> regardless it still does a better job than smpatch :-) [20:35:51] <xinkeT> i'm using nevada in production at work [20:36:06] <axisys> delewis: so buying update manager enterprise would be bad idea i take [20:36:09] <xinkeT> nexenta, specifically [20:36:10] <delewis> xinkeT: that's fine -- just understand what that means. [20:36:32] <xinkeT> i understand what it means, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it [20:36:49] <delewis> xinkeT: you'd be surprised how many people want patches for Nevada.. [20:37:04] <xinkeT> i wouldn't be doing it if i worked in the private sector [20:37:29] <delewis> I plan on running Nevada when I re-do my network at some point in the very near future [20:37:51] <delewis> nothing like actually running it in production to expose bugs :-) [20:38:28] <delewis> (Sun does this with jurassic, which is a departmental server where Nevada bits are continously installed on it) [20:38:40] <axisys> how about sun mc.. another slow app correct? [20:38:56] <delewis> axisys: yes [20:39:10] <delewis> basically, the only two fairly decent Java applications that Solaris ships are the stuff in /usr/sadm/admin/bin [20:39:31] <delewis> I use dhcpmgr when I want to do something quickly with dhcpd [20:40:33] <axisys> delewis: cant tell if i ever used bins on /usr/sadm/admin/bin [20:41:04] *** Cyl has quit IRC [20:41:05] *** [1]Cyl is now known as Cyl [20:41:23] <kimc> ls [20:41:28] <kimc> opps [20:42:54] *** bengtf_ has quit IRC [20:47:38] <myrkraverk> erm, when I'm partitioning an usb disk - what type do I select for zfs pool? [20:47:50] <myrkraverk> (I'm doing this on linux, right now) [20:49:14] *** laca has quit IRC [20:49:37] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [20:52:34] * gdamore just sent the diffs for /bin/id to add the -u, -g, -G options (which were bigger than he expected) and associated man page to his sponsor (carol fields) [20:53:45] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [20:53:57] * gdamore wonders if this is going to need PSARC approval (adding new options to /bin/id) [20:58:59] <movement> gdamore: yep [20:59:12] <movement> gdamore: should be pretty uncontroversial [21:01:03] *** stevel has quit IRC [21:01:31] *** laca has quit IRC [21:03:42] *** opSuse has quit IRC [21:06:25] <delewis> PSARC is pretty much required whenever (1) new interfaces are added or (2) existing interfaces change from my understanding [21:06:36] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [21:06:45] <delewis> one of the Sun fellows wrote an article for ACM Queue this month regarding the ARC process [21:07:24] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [21:07:37] *** djgregor has quit IRC [21:07:53] *** foldingstock has joined #opensolaris [21:08:29] *** laca has quit IRC [21:09:20] *** Kernel86 has joined #OpenSolaris [21:16:23] <axisys> delewis: pca is awesome [21:22:38] *** loke has quit IRC [21:23:43] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [21:31:32] *** lolownia has joined #opensolaris [21:36:32] *** abhi has joined #opensolaris [21:36:55] <abhi> can anyone tell me how to download the opensolaris. [21:37:31] <jamesd> opensolaris.org/os [21:37:42] <jamesd> click on the download link at the top of the page [21:38:23] <abhi> it does not give any link to download the iso files [21:38:30] <jengelh> it does [21:38:41] <jengelh> well more or less... you need to register with sun first {-.-} *bigduh* [21:38:41] <abhi> wait i am checking [21:38:56] <abhi> yes i have registered [21:39:12] <jamesd> opensolaris is not an iso, its source files, if you wish to build it you need to get solaris express community build or one of the other distros, nexenta, belenix, etc. [21:39:31] <jengelh> well he probably meant s/opensolaris/sol express/ [21:41:54] <abhi> is there any easy way to install it [21:42:53] <jamesd> install solaris express community release [21:43:04] <lasseoe> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b50-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try [21:43:12] <lolownia> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.jsp [21:43:45] <abhi> thanks. is it similar to opensolaris or different [21:46:22] *** abhi has quit IRC [21:46:24] <lolownia> I might be wrong but solaris express is released once in a while from opensolaris which is more 'developement version' ? [21:48:00] <jamesd> solaris express community release is based on the opensolaris source, and is released approximately every two weeks... [21:48:47] <gdamore> hmm... anyone here able and willing to sponsor a simple PSARC fasttrack to add POSIX command line args to /usr/bin/id ? [21:49:15] <gdamore> (i have the draft fasttrack, man page deltas, and code diffs already written) [21:49:23] <gdamore> (and tested) [21:49:56] *** bank__ has quit IRC [21:52:00] *** axisys has quit IRC [21:57:45] *** nwf has quit IRC [22:02:12] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [22:02:59] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [22:03:34] <richlowe> gdamore: generally your (os) sponsor should find you an ARC sponsor. [22:03:43] <richlowe> gdamore: unless you're doing this just to see if it's possible, in which case, good on you :) [22:08:19] <gdamore> richlowe: thanks. well, carol fields picked up ownership of my os case, but never bothered to send me a message indicating that she had done so. kinda weird, IMO. [22:08:44] <gdamore> i sent here all three items -- the man page, the diffs, and draft fast track. well see what happens. [22:15:05] *** Symmetria has joined #opensolaris [22:19:58] <gdamore> anyone know the right category/subcategory for cardbus/pcic bugs? [22:21:25] <richlowe> driver/cardbus, is one [22:21:44] <gdamore> doh. i filed under kernel/pcmcia-x86. oh well. [22:22:02] <richlowe> that's probably another. [22:22:03] <gdamore> (its really a sparc/cardbus bug) [22:22:39] * gdamore wonders how often folks go thru and examine category/subcats in bugtraq. [22:22:42] <richlowe> gdamore: easiest way to guess one, is to look at the history, and file it where most of those were filed. [22:22:55] <gdamore> tks. [22:23:12] * richlowe resumes register hunting [22:24:18] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [22:25:08] <gdamore> richlowe is eaten by the wumpus. score 10. [22:26:06] * gdamore is _still_ trying to get an SCA signed so he can start contributing fixes under the company's name. [22:27:32] <richlowe> movement: so, the saved window is on the user stack. That kinda screws that. [22:27:39] <richlowe> at least, I think it is. [22:30:25] *** Fish- has joined #opensolaris [22:32:11] <dclarke> hello [22:32:55] <jamesd> any guesses on how to enable dtlogin from a remote host? in b50, its disabled apparently now. [22:33:10] <mrdeviant> gdamore, join the club. i've been waiting on our ip office to sign the thing for weeks [22:33:46] <dclarke> mrdeviant : I'm watching the Studio 11 installs going there [22:34:02] <mrdeviant> k [22:34:05] <dclarke> mrdeviant : the AMD64 box is winning by a long shot [22:34:18] <mrdeviant> not surprising [22:34:25] <dclarke> mrdeviant : I think patches will be needed [22:34:36] <mrdeviant> yea, probably [22:34:59] <dclarke> whats the last compiler I can stick on this ? [22:34:59] <dclarke> $ uname -a [22:35:00] <dclarke> SunOS tunafish 5.5.1 Generic_103641-42 i86pc i386 i86pc [22:35:15] <elektronkind> 2.5.1. probably smells like tuna, too. [22:35:58] <elektronkind> Sun Forte would be my guess [22:36:24] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [22:36:25] <elektronkind> is blastwave going to EOL are 12 year old os rev? :) [22:36:31] <elektronkind> a/are/a [22:36:42] <dclarke> not yet [22:36:44] <dclarke> soon [22:37:04] <dclarke> I have bootstrap builds of GCC there [22:37:15] <dclarke> I think Sun ONE Studio 8 may work [22:37:18] <dclarke> maybe [22:39:48] * Symmetria watches as solaris finally installs [22:39:57] <Symmetria> god what a whore to get this one going [22:40:36] <dclarke> what rev ? [22:40:50] <dclarke> Symmetria : Solaris 10 or ? snv ? [22:40:59] <Symmetria> dclarke solaris 10 [22:41:07] <dclarke> latest rev ? [22:41:10] <Symmetria> yeah [22:41:12] <dclarke> Update 2 I mean ? [22:41:20] <Symmetria> latest download from sun's web site [22:41:22] <rodrickbrown> $ uptime [22:41:22] <rodrickbrown> 4:12pm up 2427 day(s), 20:05, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.04 [22:41:33] <dclarke> okay .. you thinks its a problem to install ? [22:41:33] <Symmetria> dclark heh I had driver / hardware issues [22:41:48] <Symmetria> dclarke its easy to install it if you're not running real fancy hardware [22:41:49] <Symmetria> :p [22:41:50] <dclarke> nice uptime there ! [22:41:57] <Symmetria> if you're running slightly abnormal hardware it doesnt like it :) [22:42:14] <elektronkind> 6.6 years. not bad. at all. [22:42:27] <Symmetria> heh solaris 10 a.) refuses to boot off my vga card, have to serial console boot it [22:42:57] <Symmetria> b.) doesnt see my lsi megaraid controller without additional drivers which I havent managed to install during the boot sequence so had to take 2 of the disks off the lsi controller and make em straight sata [22:43:23] <Symmetria> c.) the bios really didnt like me doing b.) without changing a ton of settings first to make sure that the cdrom still worked [22:43:31] <Symmetria> heh [22:43:44] <Symmetria> oh well, once its installed it should be 2 drivers away from bringing the rest of the disks back online [22:43:53] <Symmetria> and then its just a matter of installing the right software and away we go [22:45:56] *** Fish has quit IRC [22:46:44] *** evilstoy has joined #opensolaris [22:47:58] *** mkhl has joined #opensolaris [22:58:27] *** nwf has quit IRC [23:02:13] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:09:36] <kimc> ls [23:09:49] <kimc> dang.. sorry [23:12:20] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC [23:15:30] *** kimc has quit IRC [23:17:04] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [23:20:05] <jamesd> has anyone got remote X working on b50? [23:20:48] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [23:24:02] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [23:24:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [23:26:13] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/Sun_Studio_11_000.png [23:26:26] *** esaxe has joined #opensolaris [23:26:33] <dclarke> sort of an interesting side by side comparison there [23:27:38] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [23:29:09] <kimc> dclarke: 2 crucible runs - standard disk run: http://pastebin.com/814519 iscsi disk run: http://pastebin.com/814522 [23:29:34] <dclarke> hey ! [23:29:42] <kimc> hey now [23:29:44] <dclarke> let me look there .. one sec [23:31:58] <dclarke> wow [23:32:06] <dclarke> thats really really bad performance [23:32:13] <dclarke> on the iscsi I mean [23:32:20] <dclarke> the other is not too bad [23:32:28] <dclarke> you have gig-ethernet ? [23:32:46] <kimc> yes the iscsi is not too good.. has gig-ethernet [23:33:11] <dclarke> okay .. its a good start [23:33:23] <dclarke> perhaps the iscsi works better with fibre storage arrays [23:33:39] <mrdeviant> ? [23:33:51] <kimc> the iscsi target is not a real 'thumper' :) [23:33:54] <dclarke> I have my "Practical UNIX Programming" book open here [23:34:12] <dclarke> and I'm working on implementing POSIX threads into crucible [23:34:24] <kimc> thats great [23:34:32] *** tsoome has quit IRC [23:34:38] <dclarke> once I have a better thread model implemented .. we can test again [23:34:48] <kimc> sure.. lemme know [23:34:51] <dclarke> thank you for the data .. its very valuable to me [23:34:56] <kimc> any time [23:35:12] <dclarke> now I need to get some patches applied to two Solaris 10 servers I have here [23:35:26] <kimc> very good [23:35:36] <dclarke> hey .. can you email that data to me ? [23:35:39] <kimc> sure [23:35:49] <dclarke> with a small blurb that says the uname -a report from the servers ? [23:35:56] <kimc> sure [23:36:14] <dclarke> output from uname -a and cat /etc/release and psrinfo -v and prtconf -v | grep Memory [23:36:15] <gdamore> i'm surprised nobody has figured out that gigE and SATA on the same PCI board would be useful. [23:36:31] <gdamore> it would be really cool, for some of those VIA Eden boards that only have one PCI slot [23:36:37] <myrkraverk> what is gigE? [23:36:38] <kimc> i looked around for your email address but didn't locate it [23:36:44] <dclarke> I'm surprised no one has produced a PCI option with both video and sound on the same board [23:36:47] <gdamore> gigabit ethernet. [23:36:50] <myrkraverk> ah [23:36:56] <gdamore> dclarke, me too, to a certain extent. [23:37:01] <dclarke> mrdeviant: I am getting patches now [23:37:35] <gdamore> video kind of wants to be on its own board though. video->bus performance is really, really critical. [23:38:00] <dclarke> I figure sound is a low throughput thing .. it can share on a modern PCI bus [23:38:17] <dclarke> and I'm thinking .. not really high end Video [23:38:30] <dclarke> nor high end soud .. [23:38:35] <twincest> can i force prstat to show all sizes in MB instead of scaling automatically? [23:38:36] <gdamore> even low end video, still has to push a lot of bits across the bus. [23:38:37] <dclarke> just something that works well enough [23:38:45] <dclarke> you think ? [23:38:48] <gdamore> a full 32bpp screen refresh is a lot memory [23:39:21] <dclarke> Status of processor 0 as of: 10/27/06 17:39:00 [23:39:21] <dclarke> Processor has been on-line since 10/27/06 14:57:50. [23:39:21] <dclarke> The i386 processor operates at 90 MHz, [23:39:21] <dclarke> and has an i387 compatible floating point processor. [23:39:35] <dclarke> this machine works just fine at 90MHz CPU [23:39:45] <dclarke> and the video is a Matrox Millenium [23:40:02] <gdamore> the point is not CPU performance, it is pushing the pixels across the bus. (and i'm talking just 2D here, not even worrying about 3D) [23:40:02] <dclarke> so .. not exactly high end video at all [23:40:33] <gdamore> at 1024x1024, its easily 3MB you need to push for each full screen redraw [23:40:56] <dclarke> I find it hard to believe, impossible in fact, that a 60Hz vertical refresh 1280x1024 screen at 16bpp can not also support sound on the same board [23:41:01] <gdamore> (assumiing no accel, 24bpp) [23:41:45] <dclarke> well ... 24bpp x 1280x1024 = 3 bytes x 1.28MB [23:41:55] <richlowe> 4 bytes. [23:41:59] <richlowe> 24bpp generally isn't. [23:42:00] <dclarke> about 4MB per refresh [23:42:01] <gdamore> yes, it usually runs 32bpp. [23:42:08] <kimc> dclarke: how about an email adr ? [23:42:37] <dclarke> sorry [23:42:43] <dclarke> dclarke at blastwave dot org [23:42:46] <kimc> thanks [23:43:10] <gdamore> actually, most redraws aren't for the full screen, but a crummy implementation of scrolling is a full read/modify/write cycle, and that is why scrolling a dumb frambuffer at 32bpp 1600x1200 sucks so bad [23:43:36] <gdamore> that and the fact that _reading_ framebuffer memory usually really, really sucks [23:43:49] <gdamore> (reading across the PCI bus I mean) [23:44:01] <gdamore> e.g. radeon is highly optimized for PCI writes, but does terrible PCI reads [23:44:08] <dclarke> I think the people at ATI and NVidia have it down to a science [23:44:34] <gdamore> well, yes. :-) [23:45:05] <myrkraverk> are there supposed to be any .files in / ? (am belatedly make a /root for root) [23:45:26] <gdamore> i admit, i have applications where video and sound on the same board would be handy. (e.g. sun ray client type applications) [23:45:36] <dclarke> myrkraverk: it happens [23:45:53] <dclarke> myrkraverk: do you have the root user in / as a home director y? [23:46:00] <dclarke> myrkraverk: thats the default I know [23:46:22] <myrkraverk> dclarke: I just changed /etc/passwd from / to /root [23:46:23] <dwc-> I wish /usr/ucb/vipw wouldn't bitch about root's homedir not being / [23:46:30] <gdamore> on a stock install, / does not need any .xxxx files. [23:46:32] <dclarke> myrkraverk: and while the RFE is in progress to support root HOME as /root its not yet implemented [23:46:44] <dclarke> it does not need them .. but they happen [23:46:47] <myrkraverk> dclarke: and am now moving stuff I'm pretty sure should be there ;) [23:46:57] <gdamore> dwc: wtf are you using _anything_ in /usr/ucb? :-) [23:47:04] <myrkraverk> dclarke: so moving all to /root is safe? [23:47:19] <dclarke> myrkraverk: very safe although not perfect [23:47:35] <kimc> dclarke: prtconf -v | grep memory [23:47:38] <kimc> # prtconf -v | grep memory [23:47:38] <kimc> name='device-memory' type=int items=38 [23:47:39] <dclarke> myrkraverk: the best thing to do is to simply edit /etc/passwd and set the root user home to /root [23:47:42] <kimc> this what you want ? [23:47:53] <myrkraverk> dclarke: that is what I did ;) [23:47:55] <dclarke> myrkraverk: then create /root and ensure you chmod 700 /root [23:48:06] <dclarke> myrkraverk: also set chown root:root /root [23:48:10] <dwc-> gdamore: it happens occasionally :) [23:48:13] <myrkraverk> dclarke: only, I already had .files in / [23:48:25] <myrkraverk> dclarke: thanks [23:48:32] <dclarke> myrkraverk: thats fine [23:48:39] <dclarke> myrkraverk: now logout totally [23:48:46] <dclarke> myrkraverk: heck .. reboot even [23:48:59] <gdamore> dwc-: i prefer to use usermod/useradd, etc. /usr/ucb isn't even in my path. i sometimes use /usr/ucb/ps, but thats only because i don't know any other way to get at the full command line with /bin/ps (which normally truncates command lines) [23:49:02] <dclarke> myrkraverk: everything will just work with the exception of ancient crap like vipw [23:49:20] <dwc-> what about /usr/ucb/whoami ;) [23:49:28] <dwc-> and whereis [23:49:29] <dclarke> people that still use the Berkeley compatibility stuff should be shot [23:49:34] <dwc-> hehe [23:49:44] <dwc-> berkeley's great [23:49:48] <gdamore> i use /usr/bin/id and man -k. [23:49:49] <dclarke> we are way way past SunOS 4.1 [23:50:14] <dwc-> I thought man -k was apropos [23:50:16] <dclarke> I have a Solaris 2.5.1 machine here and I don't use it anymore [23:50:17] <alanc> /usr/ucb was always more of SunOS 4 compatibility than true BSD compatibility anyway [23:50:25] <myrkraverk> what is /usr/ucb/stuff ? [23:50:32] <gdamore> i guess i also use "which". I have never used whereis much. [23:50:34] <dwc-> stuff you shouldn't get in the habit of using ;) [23:50:39] <dclarke> it had a purpose back in 1995 and 1996 [23:50:40] <dwc-> which only tells you which one is in your path [23:51:06] <alanc> which should be a shell builtin, like it is in tcsh [23:51:10] <myrkraverk> afaik which is built [23:51:12] <gdamore> it is mostly bsd 4.x compat, and a lot of it is total broken [23:51:13] <myrkraverk> in zsh [23:51:16] <g4lt-U60> gdamore, which is a *csh builtin, no need for a separate binary [23:51:29] <dwc-> bash et. al. has 'type' [23:51:31] <gdamore> which is builtin, and there is a csh script for it as well. [23:51:52] <dwc-> it's not stuff I use a lot [23:51:55] <dclarke> /usr/ucbinclude Berkeley compatibility package [23:51:55] <dclarke> headers. [23:51:55] <dclarke> [23:51:55] <dclarke> /usr/ucblib Berkeley compatibility package [23:51:55] <dclarke> libraries. [23:51:56] <dclarke> [23:52:06] <gdamore> anyway, if there is stuff in /usr/ucb that is still useful, and doesn't collide with /usr/bin, then we should get RFEs to get that functionality [23:52:07] <dwc-> probably whoami is the only one in common shell scripting use [23:52:09] <alanc> having things builtin to shells has never stopped commands from existing as well - just see /usr/bin/cd [23:52:21] <gdamore> whoami could easily be moved into /usr/bin. [23:52:28] <myrkraverk> what is /noautoshutdown? [23:52:31] <dclarke> /usr/vmsys Commands and files related to the [23:52:31] <dclarke> optional FACE package. See [23:52:31] <dclarke> face(1). Berkeley compatibility [23:52:31] <dclarke> package libraries. [23:52:39] <dclarke> all of this from [23:52:42] <dclarke> SunOS 5.5.1 Last change: 28 Apr 1994 9 [23:52:42] <dclarke> [23:52:42] <dclarke> filesystem(5) Headers, Tables, and Macros filesystem(5) [23:52:53] <dwc-> and lpr [23:53:02] <dwc-> ;) [23:53:07] <alanc> AIX and others merged BSD & SysV ps syntax by using BSD if no dash was given (ps augx) and SysV if a dash was specified (ps -ef) [23:53:08] <dclarke> sorry about the flooding [23:53:08] <dwc-> (kidding... I have lprng installed) [23:53:21] <myrkraverk> dwc-: at least lpr beats cups (as in, cups doesn't work at all, for me) [23:53:28] <gdamore> what i'd like to see is a /bin/ps flag that did the equivalent of /usr/ucb/ps -www [23:53:48] <dclarke> its open source .. so feel free to write the extension ! :-) [23:53:55] <g4lt-U60> alanc, TBH, I'd prever everyone used sysV ps. BSD ps is just grody [23:54:12] <dwc-> I actually mix syntaxes between sysv and bsd [23:54:13] *** nwf has quit IRC [23:54:16] <gdamore> then there is linux ps... :-) [23:54:18] <dwc-> on machines that support both [23:54:22] * g4lt-U60 hits gdamore [23:54:28] <dwc-> ps -ef -> easy way to get ppid [23:54:33] <gdamore> ow!! [23:54:34] <alanc> /usr/ucb/df exists mostly to make -k the default output [23:54:53] <dwc-> aka bdf [23:55:00] <gdamore> the other thing that is widely used in scripting is /usr/ucb/install [23:55:11] <gdamore> which is _much_ saner, IMO, than the weird sysv install. [23:55:18] <dwc-> for those of us not blessed/cursed with ginstall [23:55:28] <g4lt-U60> yeah, a BSD install in $PATH would be a goodness [23:55:31] <gdamore> yes. [23:55:48] <gdamore> call it, say, "bsdinstall"? :-) [23:55:54] <dwc-> [1] echo $PATH|grep /usr/ucb|wc -l [23:55:55] <dwc-> 1 [23:57:23] <gdamore> not in my path. /usr/ucb is mostly evil. the exceptions are few. (i hate manually typing ps -auxwww to find the full command line of a running program though. i really do wish there was a way to do that with /bin/ps, or a way that i knew of) [23:57:47] <dwc-> it's in my path -- at the end [23:58:32] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:58:48] <myrkraverk> haha - I found a bug!!!!! [23:58:59] <dclarke> myrkraverk: yes ? [23:59:06] <dclarke> myrkraverk: step on it ! [23:59:13] <dclarke> myrkraverk: just squish it [23:59:22] <myrkraverk> try to make a zpool on usb disk - unplug the disk and export it ;P [23:59:31] <alanc> gdamore: pargs [23:59:42] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:59:58] <myrkraverk> it seems to me that it will cause reboot (on x64 at least) [23:59:58] <dclarke> wasn't the full command line data in the structs in /proc ?